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ALL RIGHT, I'LL CALL TO ORDER, THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR JANUARY 21ST, 2021.

AND WE WILL START WITH OUR REGULAR SESSION AGENDA ITEMS AND MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE

[3. Administrative Comments.]

SINCE THERE'S NO NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS THIS EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALL RIGHT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS OTHER THAN TO SAY, FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE, APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT HAS A PUBLIC HEARING, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD COME OVER HERE TO THE YOU'RE RIGHT SIDE TO THE MICROPHONE AND SPEAK CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE.

[CONSENT AGENDA:]

WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

AND IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON THAT, WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON BOTH ITEMS FIVE AND SIX FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. QUESTION, DENNIS, DO THESE REQUIRE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS OR CONSENT AGENDA APPROVED AS A SINGLE ITEM.

IT CAN BE APPROVED AS A SINGLE ITEM, JUST NOTING BOTH ITEMS, APPROVING THE MINUTES AND ITEM SIX PLAT SHOWING.

OK, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 7TH, 2021 AND CASE NUMBER ZA 21-0002 PLAT SHOWING FOR LOTS 25 AND 26 OF THE OW KNIGHT NUMBER 899 ADDITION.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? YOU ALREADY VOTE CRAIG. IT'S NOT LETTING YOU.

YEAH, I FIGURE WE'RE HAVING A.

ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. THAT ITEM CARRIES THREE ONE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, REGULAR AGENDA

[7. Consider: Resolution No. 20-057, (ZA20-0064), Specific Use Permit for a Residential Solar Energy System on property described as Lot 1, Block 7, Chapel Downs Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 923 Dove Creek Trail, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "SF-20A" Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #7. PUBLIC HEARING]

IS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ZA 20-0064.

AND SINCE WE JUST DID A PRESENTATION OF THAT, IS IT CAN WE GO DIRECTLY TO THE APPLICANT? YES. ALL RIGHT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? YES. YES, SIR.

DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR US? NOT REALLY. THAT PRETTY MUCH SAYS IT ALL RIGHT THERE I BELIEVE.

ANY QUESTIONS? OK, DO ME A FAVOR, WILL YOU? COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.

WELL, I'M NOT THE HOMEOWNER THERE, BUT I'M A REPRESENTATIVE TAX SERVICES WHO DOES THE INSTALLATION FOR THE SOLAR SYSTEM.

THAT'S FINE. I FIGURED I'D SHOW UP AS WELL.

MY NAME IS TONY [INAUDIBLE].

AND WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? 923 DOVE CREEK TRAIL.

OK, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE? I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

I ACTUALLY POSED THIS IN A PRIOR CASE.

AS I LOOK AT THE PLACEMENT OF PANELS ON THE ROOF, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS PROPOSES HAS PANELS ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD ADDRESSES THE SOUTHERN, SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST EXPOSURE.

IS THERE A NEW TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT MAKES THE PANEL ON THE NORTHEAST FEASIBLE? OR WHAT'S THE THOUGHT BEHIND THOSE EIGHT DIFFERENT PANELS? YEAH, THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE PANELS HAVE GOTTEN A LOT BETTER.

THEY'RE ABLE TO PRODUCE A LOT MORE ENERGY, FAR MORE EFFICIENT THAN THEY WERE FIVE YEARS AGO. AND NOW THE NEW TECHNOLOGY OF THESE PANELS HAVE DECREASED IN PRICE.

SO THEY'RE BECOMING THE DOMINANT SELLING POINT FOR THE CONSUMERS.

THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO THE PANELS AS WELL.

WE COULD PITCH IT SLIGHTLY TOWARDS THE DIRECTION THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENCY IN TERMS OF PRODUCTION.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE, THOUGH.

THESE PANELS THAT YOU SEE IN THE NORTHEAST RIGHT THERE, IT'S NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT PLACE TO ACTUALLY PLACE THE PANELS.

HOWEVER, IT IS SUPPLEMENTAL TO WHERE THE OTHER PANELS DO RESIDE ON THOSE ROOF PLANES THAT ARE FAR MORE EFFICIENT.

BUT WE NEEDED THAT EXTRA EXTRA FEW PANELS TO MAKE THAT EFFICIENT, TO MAKE THE PRODUCTION HAPPEN FOR THIS HOMEOWNER.

YEAH, I'M AFRAID I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THESE PANELS ARE JUST RIGHT OUT FRONT. I SAW THE COMMENT WHERE YOU'RE GOING LIKE IT'S SHADED BY THE TREE, BUT THE PICTURE THAT'S PROVIDED DOESN'T SHOW MUCH SHADE FOR OUR, I GUESS, MASKING OF THESE THINGS. AND I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST DOWN.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOWN IN FRONT HERE.

AND IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M THE BIGGEST SOLAR PERSON IN THE WORLD.

[00:05:02]

SURE. BUT THIS IS JUST I JUST CAN'T DO THIS TO THE NEIGHBORS.

OK, AND YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE PANEL THAT'S IN THE PICTURE ON THE FAR, TOP, TOP RIGHT INSIDE THE 16 PANELS RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, CORRECT.

ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CUL DE SAC LOOKS LIKE TO ME, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE ONES THAT.

I MEAN, COULD BE A DISADVANTAGE TO THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE CUL DE SAC FOR SURE, BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL SIDES EXPOSED.

UNFORTUNATELY FOR THIS HOMEOWNER AND A LOT OF THE HOMEOWNERS, THE NORTH SIDE, I MEAN, WE TRY TO AIM FOR THE MOST EFFICIENT LOCATIONS POSSIBLE.

RIGHT. AND WHERE WE PLACE THOSE PANELS CURRENTLY TODAY.

THAT'S THAT IS THE MOST EFFICIENT LOCATIONS THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY PLACE THOSE PANELS.

I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND.

YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION.

THIS LOOKS LIKE QUANTITY WISE, JUST A LOT MORE COVERAGE THAN WHAT I'VE SEEN IN OTHER HOMES. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS THE MINIMUM THAT THEY NEED THEY COULD DO TO MAKE THIS FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE? WELL, NO, IT'S NOT THE MINIMUM, BUT IT IS THE MOST ECONOMICAL.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY CAN GET A HUNDRED PERCENT ELECTRICITY FROM THE SOLAR SYSTEMS. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON THE POWER FROM THE GRID.

AND THIS IS HOW MANY THIS IS A TOTAL OF SIXTY NINE PANELS.

THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD REQUIRE. EVERY HOME IS GOING TO BE UNIQUELY DIFFERENT WHEN WE DO A SOLAR SYSTEM DESIGN.

IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE PITCH OF THE ROOF, THE DIRECTION THAT IT'S FACING SOUTHEAST, NORTHWEST. AND THIS HOUSE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS SORT OF AT A CORNER.

IT'S NOT FACING DUE SOUTH.

IT'S NOT FACING DUE EAST OR WEST.

BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S IT'S NOT A YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A HOME THAT DOESN'T MAKE A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR SOLAR. CERTAINLY DOES.

IT JUST REQUIRES A FEW EXTRA PANELS THEN MOST HOUSES.

BUT IT ALSO HAS TO DEAL WITH HOW MUCH ENERGY THE HOMEOWNER REQUIRES.

THIS IS A TWO STORY HOUSE.

IT'S GOT A VAULTED CEILING, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE TAKEN CONSIDERATION WHEN WE DESIGN A SOLAR SYSTEM.

SO YOU WILL SEE SOME HOUSES THAT HAVE FAR MORE PANELS THAN YOU WOULD EXPECT JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE HOUSE, THE WAY IT'S CONSTRUCTED AND THE USAGE OF THE ELECTRICITY FOR THAT HOME AS WELL. ARE MOST HOMEOWNERS TRYING TO GET 100 PERCENT COVERAGE WITH THEIR SOLAR PANELS? IT'S IDEAL.

MOST HOMEOWNERS DO THEY GET 100 PERCENT I WOULD SAY ABOUT MAYBE 80 TO 90 PERCENT GET A HUNDRED PERCENT. OK, YEAH, SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER OPTIONS FOR RELOCATING SOME OF THE PANELS THERE WHERE YOU HAVE THE SIXTEEN, TWENTY SEVEN AND AN 18 TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? IF WE WERE TO PUT IT TO THE NORTHWEST FACING, YOU'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT MUCH RADIATION THERE.

IT WILL PROBABLY DWINDLE THEIR ENERGY PRODUCTION BY I WOULD GUESSTIMATE, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE A DESIGN FOR THAT.

BUT I WOULD GUESSTIMATE ABOUT A 50 PERCENT LOSS IN PRODUCTION, BUT THE OVERALL COST OF THE SYSTEM WOULD BE THE SAME.

SO IT IS A DISADVANTAGE TO THE HOMEOWNER.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT.

IT'S PART OF THE LIMITATIONS OF SOLAR.

YOU KNOW. YEAH, I'M CURIOUS, THINKING BACK TO THE MAP THAT CITY STAFF SHOWED OF THOSE IN FAVOR AND THOSE IN OPPOSITION, NOTICEABLY ABSENT, I THINK WAS ANY FEEDBACK OR COMMENT FROM NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY ACROSS OR DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THEM.

WHAT CONVERSATIONS HAVE YOU OR THE HOMEOWNER HAD WITH WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS? AND FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER SPRINGER'S COMMENT, PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MINIMIZE THE IMPACT AND THE VISIBILITY FROM ROADWAYS AND FROM ADJACENT HOMES THAT HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. SO I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT CONVERSATIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD WITH THOSE WHO WOULD BE IMPACTED MOST. WELL, WE HAD THE SPIN MEETING AND WE DID ATTEND THE SPIN MEETING WAS A VIRTUAL MEETING.

I THINK THERE WAS ONE PERSON WHO LIVED ACROSS THE STREET THAT WAS THAT WAS ON THAT'S BEEN MEETING AND DID ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOES IT APPRECIATE THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE.

SO IT SEEMED LIKE HE WAS PRETTY INTERESTED IN THAT HIMSELF.

BUT NO ONE ASKED ANY OPPOSING GAVE ANY OPPOSING THOUGHTS ABOUT SOLAR ON THAT SPIN MEETING CALL. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARTICIPANTS WERE ON THERE, BUT I DO KNOW THERE'S AT LEAST ONE PERSON FROM ACROSS THE STREET.

I WOULD JUST AS A COMMENT THEN ENCOURAGE YOU, IF THIS GOES FORWARD, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU TALK NOT JUST TO FOLKS AT A SPIN MEETING, THAT'S A VEHICLE THAT IS AVAILABLE TO YOU, BUT SO IS FACE TO FACE CONTACT WITH NEIGHBORS WHO ARE IMPACTED.

I THINK THAT'S A A CONSIDERATION WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AS A COMMISSION IN THE PAST.

ITS CONSIDERATION THAT COUNCIL ALSO LOOKS AT WHEN THEY DEBATE THE FEASIBILITY OF PLANS AND PROPOSALS SUCH AS THIS.

AND WE DID I MEAN, THERE WAS A SIGN THAT WAS PUT NOT PUT IN THE FRONT OF THE HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY. I BELIEVE EVERYBODY GOT A NOTICE OF SOME SORT BECAUSE THEY DID FILL OUT A FORM, WHETHER THEY FAVOR OR OPPOSE THAT.

SO THERE WAS A LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT THAT I THINK WAS INITIATED BY SPIN.

YOU KNOW, THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED WILL SPEAK OUT FOR SURE, THOSE WHO MAY WANT TO GO INTEREST WILL SAY THEY ARE IN FAVOR.

THE REST ARE PEOPLE THAT JUST, I ASSUME, DON'T MIND IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE.

WHAT I'M SORRY, WERE YOU DONE, COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] ? WHAT ABOUT A PERGOLA MOUNTED SYSTEM OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES?

[00:10:04]

WE'VE SEEN A FEW OF THOSE.

YEAH. WAS THAT EVALUATED? WE COULD DO THAT. WE COULD ALWAYS ADD A PERGOLA, ANOTHER ROOF TYPE STRUCTURE, WHETHER IT'S ATTACHED OR DETACHED TO THE PROPERTY.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN ALWAYS CONSIDER, OF COURSE.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT, WHETHER WE HAS IT BEEN DONE IN SOUTHLAKE AND WILL IT BE APPROVED IF IT'S A DETACHED STRUCTURE? I'M NOT SURE.

EVEN A TAX STRUCTURE, I'M NOT SURE.

WHAT WE DO KNOW IS WE DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WHEN IT'S ON THE PHYSICAL PROPERTY ITSELF, THE FRAME OF THE HOUSE. AND IDEALLY, THAT IS THE MOST ECONOMICAL WAY TO GO AT IT, TOO, BECAUSE THEN THERE'S THAT ADDITIONAL COST OF BUILDING THOSE DETACHED STRUCTURES WHICH SOME HOMEOWNERS DON'T MIND THEY ENJOY.

THAT IS THE LUXURY OF HAVING THAT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE POOL AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT'S A LOT BIGGER IN TERMS OF COST.

I THINK PERGOLA, I'M TAKING A LOOK AT PERGOLA COSTS AND IF YOU WANT A NICE LOOKING PERGOLA, WOULD PROBABLY COST YOU SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 TO 15, MAYBE AS MUCH AS 20, DEPENDING HOW ELEGANT YOU WANT IT TO LOOK.

THEN IT'S A QUESTION OF THE DIRECTION OF THE ROOF ITSELF.

BECAUSE THAT'S HOW SOLAR OPERATES.

OK. I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE, THOUGH, WITH THE NEIGHBORS ARE WHATEVER AT A SPIN MEETING IS, THEY DON'T REALLY THEY CAN'T APPRECIATE WHAT IT'S REALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S WHEN THEIR PRODUCTS INSTALLED.

AND THEN IT'S TOO LATE, BECAUSE LET ME TELL YOU, I'VE SEEN SOME HIDEOUS INSTALLS.

THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.

AND THIS TO ME IS JUST I MEAN, IT'S JUST TOO IN YOUR FACE AND EVERYTHING IS ON THE FRONT ON THE ON THE CUL DE SAC FACING SIDE.

SO I WISH WE HAD THE NUMBERS UP THERE I COULD POINT OUT.

SO THE ONE ON THE FAR SOUTH SOUTHWEST SIDE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE STREET, THOSE PANELS COULD BE PUSHED FURTHER BACK.

I DO SEE MORE LOCATIONS FAR IN THE BACK WHERE WE CAN PUT SOME OF THOSE PANELS.

I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THE TREES, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE PICTURE.

OK, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.

NUMBER. TWENTY SEVEN.

TWENTY SEVEN PANEL COUNT THOSE COULD BE PUSHED FURTHER BACK.

THOSE COULD ALSO BE PUT WHERE THE PLANE IS EXISTS, WHICH IS NUMBER 18 OF THOSE 18 PANELS.

WE COULD ALSO MOVE SOME OF THOSE PANELS THERE.

WHEN WE DO A DESIGN, WE TRY TO AVOID ANY SHADING ISSUES.

AND SO WE'D HAVE TO REASSESS IF THOSE TREES WOULD BE AN IMPACT TO THOSE PANELS IF WE WERE TO RELOCATE IT. BUT WE TRY TO PUT THEM.

IT'S A TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE WHAT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO ACHIEVE AS WELL, WHEN WE PUT SOLAR SYSTEMS ON ROOFTOP ONE IS THE ENERGY PRODUCTION OF COURSE MAKING IT THE MOST EFFICIENT. BUT ALSO WE LIKE TO SHADE OR COVER UP AS MUCH ROOF AS POSSIBLE.

THAT'S AN IDEAL SCENARIO BECAUSE IT ACTS AS A RADIANT BARRIER.

IT ACTUALLY REDUCES THE TEMPERATURE IN THE HOUSE BY AS MUCH AS THREE DEGREES, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT IF YOU EVER PLAY WITH A THERMOSTAT A LOT.

SO THOSE ARE THE THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE PUT THOSE MANY PANELS THERE WHERE IT SAYS TWENTY SEVEN. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE DO HAVE SOME MORE SPACE THERE WHERE 18 EXISTS.

I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW WE HAD A SOMEBODY I THINK WAS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING SHOOT SOME DOCUMENTS TO US SAYING THAT THERE'S SOME FOOT TRAFFIC AROUND THE ROOF THAT NEEDS TO BE RESPECTED. I THINK IT'S EIGHTEEN INCHES.

SO THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE DECISION WHY MORE PANELS ARE PLACED THERE FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. THIS IS THE SECOND DESIGN.

THIS ISN'T THE ORIGINAL. WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE. WELL, I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE SIDE WHERE THE EIGHTEEN ARE ARE TOO VISIBLE IN MY OPINION FROM THE STREET.

CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE AGAIN? CAN WE GO TO THE STREET LEVEL, ALL RIGHT.

OK, SO IT'S RIGHT THERE, IF YOU WERE TO STAND THERE AND PURPOSELY LOOK FOR IT.

YOU CAN JUST BARELY SEE IT.

THE CHIMNEY COVERS QUITE A BIT OF THE SECTION WHERE WE SAID IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS 27 PANELS. WE MAY BE ABLE TO RELOCATE SOME OF THOSE PANELS.

IT'S POSSIBLE. I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ENGINEER AND SEE WHY THE DECISION WAS MADE TO PUT THOSE PANELS PARTICULARLY THERE.

BUT I THINK IT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE RESTRICTIONS.

WELL, ANY TIME YOU'VE GOT A HOUSE THAT HAS ALL THESE CUT UP GABLES LIKE THIS, I MEAN, AND THIS IS THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE THAT THE ABSOLUTE WORST LOOKING ONES THAT I'VE EVER SEEN ARE INVOLVED BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL YOU'VE GOT IS SMALL PATCHES AND THERE'S JUST NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD.

RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THESE ISLANDS OF SOLAR PANELS THAT ARE UP THERE JUST IN PLAIN VIEW. AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I CAN APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE TREE PROVIDING SOME SHADE, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, ARE BLOCKING IT IN THE SUMMERTIME.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE ON THERE 365.

AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T THINK THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH IT IN THE LONG RUN. IT IS THE CHANGE THAT'S TAKING PLACE NOW.

SOLAR IS I MEAN, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IN MANY STATES AS BECOMING A MANDATE, NOT A BILL YET

[00:15:04]

OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

COULD YOU MOVE A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. ABSOLUTELY. WHAT I'M WHAT I WAS SAYING IS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO BACK, IT WAS UNDER DISCUSSION OF IT BEING A POSSIBLE MANDATE.

IT WAS ABOUT 10, 12 DIFFERENT STATES THAT WERE CONSIDERING IT.

CALIFORNIA PASSED IT AS A MANDATE.

NOT IN EVERY COUNTY. OF COURSE, COUNTIES HAVE THEIR OWN.

THEY HAVE THEIR SAY IN THE WHOLE MATTER.

NONETHELESS, THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING.

HERE IN TEXAS.

THE REASON WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING SOLAR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WERE ON THE SPIN MEETING WERE YOU ALL? WERE YOU ON THE SPIN MEETING AT ALL ON THE.

NO. OK, ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I MADE IS AND THE REASON WHY YOU'RE SEEING SO MANY SOLAR PANELS GOING ON ROOFTOPS RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SUBSIDIES BEING AIMED AT THAT DIRECTION FOR PEOPLE TO GO SOLAR.

FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THE COUNTY IS REMOVING THE COST OF THE SYSTEM, WHICH HAS AN APPRECIATED VALUE TO THE HOME AS WELL.

WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE TAX ASSESSMENT.

ONCOR, WHICH COVERS MOST OF, IF NOT ALL OF SOUTHLAKE, ALSO PROVIDES TREMENDOUS REBATES.

UP TO 8,000 DOLLARS THIS LAST YEAR.

THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT EVERYBODY'S PAYING FOR.

AND I UNDERSTAND AESTHETICS AND ALL THESE BENEFITS.

BUT PEOPLE IN THE CUL DE SAC, LIKE MY CLIENT HERE, HE WOULD BE AT A BIG DISADVANTAGE.

HE'S PAYING HIS SHARE FOR ALL THIS, BUT NOT RECEIVING THE BENEFITS WHERE OTHERS COULD.

AND I THINK WE NOTICE ABOUT MAYBE 12 TO 14 HOMEOWNERS THAT WERE ACCEPTED TO GO SOLAR.

SO THERE IS THAT THAT ISSUE THERE THAT EXIST AS WELL, OBVIOUSLY.

I UNDERSTAND THE AESTHETICS APPEAL.

I GET THAT POINT AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN ACCOMMODATE TO THAT AS WELL TO THE BEST WE CAN.

I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ENGINEER AND FIND OUT WHAT WE COULD DO ON THAT END.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON THE AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NO ONE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DENNIS OR KEN. QUICK QUESTION IF I KNOW WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET, BUT SINCE WE HAVE SUCH A A SMALL GROUP, IF THIS WERE TO GET VOTED DOWN, IT WOULD STILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL.

CORRECT. AND WE COULD PROVIDE INSTRUCTION, WHETHER IT'S A VOTE UP OR DOWN TO COME BACK WITH OPTIONS AT CITY COUNCIL.

YES, SIR. YOU CAN RECOMMENDING BODY SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD HOWEVER, THE VOTE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING BODY AND IT DOESN'T ENCUMBER THE COUNCIL VOTE IN ANY WAY.

SO. OK, THANK YOU.

ANY THOUGHTS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE A MOTION? WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO REITERATE THAT THERE THERE'S AND THERE'S NO NOBLE PLAN THAT YOU CAN PUT ON THIS HOUSE THAT'S GOING TO WORK BECAUSE I MEAN, I THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND THE ORIENTATION OF THE [INAUDIBLE] OF THE PANELS IS IT'S WHAT MAKES IT FUNCTION.

SO YOU CAN'T JUST PUT THEM ANYWHERE YOU WANT ON THE BACKSIDE.

BUT THIS IS JUST THIS IS JUST TOO MUCH ON THE FRONT.

I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

COMMISSIONER PHALEN, ANYTHING? NO. I MEAN, I GUESS I'D BE OK WITH MOVING IT ALONG, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT THEM TO BRING SOME OTHER OPTIONS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I COULD APPROVE THIS.

I THINK THIS IS TOO MUCH WHETHER THEY NEED TO JUST REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PANELS, MAYBE NOT GET ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR ELECTRIC COVERAGE OR MOVE SOME OF THEM.

BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T THINK THIS IS THE PLAN THAT I COULD APPROVE.

ANYTHING. YOU KNOW, I JUST ECHO THE COMMENTS.

THIS IS AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION, I THINK, WITH BOTH THE PLACEMENT, MAYBE THE PANELS BECAUSE OF THE ORIENTATION AND ALSO THE FACT THAT THIS IS ON A CUL DE SAC, WHICH KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BRINGS A SPOTLIGHT FROM EVERYBODY WHO LOOKS AT THAT HOUSE IN THE CUL DE SAC, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WORK STILL TO BE DONE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE HIM TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT WORK IN TERMS OF QUANTITY AND PLACEMENT AND I'LL INCORPORATE MY COMMENTS IN A MOTION.

VERY GOOD, I GUESS. YEAH.

IF YOU COULD CRAFT A MOTION FOR US AND I TEND TO AGREE WITH WITH ALL THE COMMENTS, BUT ULTIMATELY ALL THE OPTIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE EVALUATED BY COUNCIL.

SO. I'M OK WITH THAT.

MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY CASE NUMBER ZA 20-0064 SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED JANUARY 15TH, I BELIEVE IS THE CURRENT ONE.

THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT STAFF REVIEW NUMBER TWO DATED JANUARY 15, 2021 AND RESOLUTION NUMBER 20-05 SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR RESIDENTIAL SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM WITH A SUGGESTION TO THE APPLICANT THAT THEY DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN TO LOOK AT PLACEMENT AND QUANTITY OF THE PANELS THAT ARE LESS INTRUSIVE AND LESS POTENTIALLY OFFENSIVE TO NEIGHBORS AND AS WELL AS THE THOROUGHFARE ON WHITECHAPEL.

VERY GOOD. MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION CARRIES FOUR ZERO AND TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S A DENIAL OF THE REQUEST.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

[00:20:01]

AND YOU KIND OF GOT THE IMPRESSION THERE OF WHAT YOU NEED TO DO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 8.

[8. Consider: Ordinance No. 480-657E, (ZA20-0066), Zoning Change and Concept/Site Plan for District 114 at Kimball Park on property described as Lots 1, 2R and 3-6, Kimball Park, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 2102-2116 E. State Hwy. 114, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. Proposed Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #4. PUBLIC HEARING]

ZA 20-0066.

AND DENNIS IF YOU WOULD MAYBE GO THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICK, IT SEEMS PRETTY SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND. CERTAINLY THIS IS THE DISTRICT 114 AT KIMBALL PARK, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF CHERRY LANE AND EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114.

ITS ADDRESS IS 2100 THROUGH 2116 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114.

AERIAL PHOTO DISTRICT 114 SHOWN IN RED THE ZONING CHANGE TAKING PLACE ENCOMPASSES BOTH THE RED AND BLUE BOUNDARY, SINCE THIS IS PART OF A LARGER GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT ZONING. LAND USE ON THIS PROPERTY IS MIXED USE SP2 ZONING.

THIS IS A APPROVED RENDERING PERSPECTIVE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING THE 114 DISTRICT BUILDING, THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS TO REMOVE A GARAGE SCREEN THAT WAS PROPOSED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO PROVIDE SOME VEHICLE SCREENING FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.

THIS WAS PART OF THE APPROVED SITE PLAN ELEVATIONS FOR THAT GARAGE STRUCTURE.

THIS IS A VIEW OF THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THE GARAGE STRUCTURE, THIS WAS TO BE A A RCHITECTURAL MESH SCREEN THAT PROVIDED ALMOST FULL OR SEMI OPAQUE SCREENING OF VEHICLES THAT MIGHT BE PARKED INSIDE THAT GARAGE.

THIS IS AN ELEVATION NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND WHERE THAT SCREEN WAS TO BE PLACED.

AND ANOTHER ELEVATION OF THAT SCREENING LOCATION, THIS WOULD BE THE PROPOSED PLAN REMOVING THAT SCREEN.

AS PART OF THAT REVISION, A CONNECTING SIDEWALK WOULD BE PROVIDED THAT WOULD ALLOW THE ADJOINING OFFICE BUILDING SOME PEDESTRIAN ACCESS INTO THE DISTRICT 114 AND KIMBALL PARK DEVELOPMENT. AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT'S GOT A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION, WHICH.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS? ALL RIGHT, JEFF, YOU WANT TO COME ON DOWN? JEFF MEDICI 2120 CHEYENNE PARK LANE, SOUTHLAKE TEXAS, MR. CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS, THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR MY VERY QUICK PRESENTATION.

WE'VE ONLY GOT TWO SLIDES.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS UP ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT I PRESENTED TO YOU ALL TWO YEARS AGO, ALMOST TO THE DAY.

AND THIS SLIDE THAT I HAD PRESENTED TO YOU AT THE TIME WAS SOMETHING THAT IN CONSULTATION WITH NEIGHBORS, CITY COUNCIL, A LOT OF THE COMMISSIONERS AT THE TIME WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. AND THAT WAS SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY WITH ALL OF KIMBALL AND STATE HIGHWAY 114.

SO WE'VE GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS IN THE SEVEN YEARS SINCE I STARTED KIMBALL PARK TO ENHANCE THAT CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN NOT ONLY ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LOTS WITHIN KIMBALL PARK, BUT ALSO THE GREATER COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS IS A IS THE SMALL OFFICE BUILDING JUST TO THE NORTH, WHICH HAS RIGHT NOW VERY LITTLE CONNECTIVITY TO TO THE GREATER KIMBALL PARK.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN REALLY IMPORTANT TO US IS TO TRY TO MAKE ALL OF THESE LITTLE DISPARATE LOTS THROUGHOUT SOUTHLAKE SORT OF MORE COHESIVE AND NOT JUST LITTLE POSTAGE STAMP, KIND OF INDEPENDENT LOTS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY REAL CONTINUITY.

SO WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS TWO YEARS AGO, WE HAD NEVER REALLY INTENDED TO PUT A SCREEN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

WE WE FELT STRONGLY THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE DOING ENOUGH BY HIDING THE PARKING GARAGE BEHIND AN L SHAPED BUILDING SO THAT IT WOULD NOT BE SEEN BY ANYBODY ON 114.

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AND WHEN YOU TRANSITED UP AND DOWN CHERRY, YOU COULD YOU COULD REALLY SORT OF BARELY SEE IT. THE PERSON THAT WAS IMPACTED THE MOST WAS THAT THAT NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH WHO WAS VERY UPSET BECAUSE WHEN HE BUILT HIS BUILDING, HE HAD ORIENTED HIS BUILDING TO FACE SOUTH AND PLACED HIS SIGN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HIS BUILDING.

AND CLEARLY WAS WAS NOT HAPPY WITH ME WHEN I CAME IN AND PROPOSED DISTRICT 114 BECAUSE NOW IS HIS FRONTAGE WAS BEING LOST.

SO HE PUSHED VERY HARD FOR ME TO INSTALL THIS SCREEN BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO LOOK AT IT WHEN HE WALKED OUT OF HIS FRONT DOOR.

SO I CAN APPRECIATE THAT WE PUT THE SCREEN IN.

IT WAS A COSTLY ENDEAVOR, BUT WE WE AGREED TO DO IT.

WELL, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, OUR NEIGHBOR DID END UP SELLING TO COMPUTER CPR GUY BY THE NAME OF MICHAEL YOUNG. GREAT GENTLEMAN.

AND I'VE WORKED WITH MICHAEL OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF ON THIS PROJECT IN THE SUBJECT OF THE SCREEN CAME UP AND I TOLD HIM THAT THAT I WOULD BE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO EXTEND OUR OUR SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS LOT.

SO WHAT YOU SEE IN THE UPPER LEFT IS YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO DO WITH MICHAEL.

I BELIEVE HE'S SUBMITTED A FORM IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.

I JUST MET WITH HIM AGAIN YESTERDAY.

AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE RED, THAT'S WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO INSTALL AS PART OF THE ZONING CHANGE. BUT THE GRAY IS WHAT I HAVE AGREED TO EXTEND THROUGH HIS LITTLE SORT OF FOREST OF TREES THERE WHERE YOU SEE THE LIGHT GREEN THAT RIGHT NOW IS JUST BARREN.

IT'S JUST SORT OF GRASSY WEEDS.

AND WHAT I'VE AGREED TO DO IS FULLY LANDSCAPE THAT CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF DISTRICT 114, SO THAT WHEN HE COMES OUT OF HIS BUILDING AND COMES DOWN INTO OUR LITTLE STATE OF TEXAS PARK, THAT IT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S ALL ONE.

AND HE'S AGREED TO DO THAT.

AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR IT.

BUT I THINK OVERALL IT WILL BE IT WILL BE MUCH BETTER JUST FOR EVERYONE THAT'S UP CHERRY LANE TO BE ABLE TO VERY EASILY SORT OF GET INTO INTO DISTRICT 114 IN THE REST OF KIMBALL PARK. I DID SEE THAT THERE WAS THANK YOU FOR THAT PERFECT SEGUE INTO THE NEXT SLIDE.

I DID SEE THAT THERE WAS A LETTER OF SORT OF OPPOSITION.

AND AND I CAN APPRECIATE THE CONCERN FROM THAT PERSON WHO WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SORT OF WHAT HE MIGHT SEE WHEN HE SORT OF LOOKS TO THE LEFT AS HE'S COMING DOWN CHERRY LANE, AS HE'S HEADING TO THE 114 FRONTAGE.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY SORT OF UNDERSTOOD THAT WHERE YOU WOULD LOOK FROM CHERRY, YOU'RE AT 613 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.

WE HAVE HAD SINCE OUR MEETING TWO YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAD A PRELIMINARY GRADING PLAN, BUT WE'VE HAD TO REFINE THAT.

AND IN OUR FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION OF THAT FIRST FLOOR IS 60250.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE SORT OF PASSING BY AT THIS ANGLE AND LOOKING AT THIS SCREEN, YOU'RE TEN AND A HALF FEET ABOVE WHERE THE CARS WOULD BE ON ONE. AND WHAT THAT REQUIRED US TO DO WAS TO ADD AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE UPPER LEFT, YOU ADD A SORT OF A RETAINING WALL THAT WILL HIDE EVERYTHING ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT PARKING. SO WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS THE SORT OF THE TWO LEVELS ABOVE THAT ARE AT 620 AND A HALF AND SIX THIRTY AND THREE QUARTERS FEET.

YOU CAN SEE ALSO I OVERLAID THE TREE THAT IS, YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT, YOU CAN SEE WHEN IT'S IN SORT OF FULL BLOOM, I THINK IT'S A CREPE MYRTLE, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHAT I MEAN DURING MOST OF THE YEAR, YOU WON'T EVEN SEE THOSE SMALL TWO STRIPS OF ROADWAY THAT SORT OF GOES UP IN THE PARKING GARAGE.

IT WILL BE VERY IT WON'T BE VERY VISIBLE AT ALL AND IT WILL BE FOR A SPLIT SECOND.

YOU REALLY HAVE TO SORT OF LOOK HARD LEFT, SORT OF PICK UP THERE AND SEE THOSE TWO GAPS IN THE CONCRETE. SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ASK, BUT I'M CERTAINLY WELCOME TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU ALL.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? JEFF, JUST A QUICK QUESTION THERE, YOU TOUCHED ON CREPE MYRTLE, THE TREES AND SO ON, IS THERE ANY PLAN TO DO ANY OTHER LANDSCAPING ALONG THERE THAT AT THE GROUND LEVEL? ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO WALK OUT, EVEN IF THEY WALK OUT OF THAT BUILDING AND IT SELLS TO SOMEONE ELSE AND GO, GOSH, LOOK, THERE'S NO SCREEN UP THERE.

NO. YEAH, NO, NO, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

IF YOU COULD JUST GO BACK BACK A SLIDE.

WE HAVE SOME FAIRLY LARGE, SUBSTANTIAL TREES, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT ARE GOING THROUGH.

I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE BIG CYPRESS TREES THAT GROW FAST AND GROW WIDE.

AND WE WERE REQUIRED TO PUT THAT IN AS PART OF OUR ADDITIONAL SCREENING ON THAT NORTH SIDE. AND WE ALSO HAVE THEN WE HAVE A STRIP OF GRASS BETWEEN THE TWO AND THEN OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH COMPUTER CPR, THEY HAVE A WHOLE ROW OF OF TREES AND BUSHES THAT ARE

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THAT ARE BETWEEN US. SO IT'S MULTIPLE LAYERS BETWEEN WHERE THEY PARK AND A PARKING GARAGE. SO I GUESS IN REALITY, WHAT YOU'RE CREATING IS ACTUALLY A BETTER BUFFER THAN SIMPLY A SCREEN ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING TRYING TO HIDE PARKING RAMPS.

SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING AND SEEING WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WELL, SO INITIALLY WE HAD A DIFFERENT SPECIES OF TREE THAT WAS GOING TO GO.

THERE WERE REALLY SORT OF GOING TO BE SORT OF BUSHES AND JUST A FEW TREES.

WE INCREASE THE SIZE AND THE NUMBER OF TREES AND SPECIES OF THE TREE TO GET THAT AS WIDE AS POSSIBLE. OTHER QUESTIONS.

WELL, I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET RID OF THE SCREENING THAT, YOU KNOW, REPLACING IT WITH LANDSCAPING IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'D REALLY LIKE TO LIKE TO SEE PUT AS MUCH AS YOU COULD IN THERE TO SHIELD THAT CORNER AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIAL IN SIZE.

THE ONLY CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS WE'VE GOT TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT FIRST LEVEL OF THE GARAGE IS SUNKEN DOWN LOW.

WE'VE HAD TO PUT A VERY EXPENSIVE SYSTEM IN TO TO CIRCULATE THE AIR AND GET THAT AIR MOVING IF WE BLOCK THE AIRFLOW TOO MUCH BECAUSE WE LIKE I SAID, WE WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS TO HIDE THIS GARAGE.

WE DID NO OFFENSE TO GRANITE.

WE DID NOT WANT A GARAGE THAT WAS FACING 114.

SO WE INTEGRATED OUR GARAGE IN A WAY THAT UNFORTUNATELY REQUIRED THAT TWO SIDES OF THE GARAGE BE COMPLETELY CUT OFF FROM AIR.

SO THE STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE HAVE WE JUST WE CAN'T PUT TOO MUCH ON THAT NORTH SIDE BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE OUR COMM CHECK AND OUR ABILITY TO KEEP AIR SORT OF FLOWING THROUGH THERE. RIGHT. BUT I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, PUT AS MUCH IN THERE AS YOU CAN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT TO GROW.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A 30 FOOT TREE IN THERE, DAY ONE THAT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ALTERNATIVE.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE NEARLY AS EXPENSIVE AS THAT SCREENING IS.

NO QUESTION. YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

AND I THINK THE TREES THAT WE THAT WE'VE PICKED GROW TO 25, 30 FEET AND THEY JUST KIND OF SORT OF STOP AT THAT. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY DRAINAGE ISSUES THERE? ARE THERE ANY BY PLANTING LIKE, SAY, LARGE TREES IN THERE IS THERE IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WAS GOING TO HINDER YOU FROM PLANTING THOSE? NO. OK.

BUT IT'S A QUESTION.

I MEAN, I WISH I COULD SORT OF GO UP TO THE SCREEN.

IF YOU LOOK UP AT SORT OF WHERE THOSE RED ARROWS ARE RIGHT AT THE STREET WHERE THAT RED BOX IS, IS 613, BUT IT COMES DOWN TO 612, SIX 11 AT THE CORNER, 610.

AND THEN IT DRAINS ALL THE WAY DOWN.

AND THE COMPUTER CPR SPACE HAS IN THERE WHERE THAT ROUNDED DOTTED LINE IS ALL OF THEIR WATER FLOWS TO THAT KIND OF ROUNDED GRAY DOTTED LINE AND FLOWS DOWN ONTO MY PROPERTY.

AND THEY HAVE A LITTLE SORT OF NOT CULVERT, BUT THEY HAVE A LITTLE CATCH BASIN THAT ALL THAT WATER FLOWS DOWN AND WE GET TO 602 REALLY QUICK.

BUT WE'VE DESIGNED IT ALONG THAT NORTH BUFFER SO THAT IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.

YOU KNOW, PLANTING ANYTHING IT WON'T WASH OUT.

GOT YOU. ALL RIGHT.

APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING NOW ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THE AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD TO ME.

I THINK OBVIOUSLY IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE.

SO THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN IT WOULD BE IF IT WAS ON THE 114 SIDE.

AND I KNOW WHEN THIS PASSED, WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE L SHAPE AND SCREENING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

TO ME, IT'S A NO BRAINER.

MAYBE WHEN YOU GET TO COUNCIL, HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE OR TWO TO KIND OF SHOW ON WHAT THE TREE MAKEUP IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE A MOTION.

I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU.

EVERYBODY GOOD? OK, COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER, YOU WANT TO TAKE A CRACK AT THAT ONE, PLEASE? MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CASE NUMBER ZA 20-0066 SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED JANUARY 15TH, 2021 AND THE CONCEPT AND SITE PLAN REVIEW, SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED JANUARY 15TH, 2021. AND ACKNOWLEDGING THE AIR CIRCULATION ISSUES THAT MR. MEDICI DISCUSSED AND THE INTENT AND DESIRE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE VISIBILITY ISSUES THROUGH LANDSCAPING, TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE LANDSCAPING TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CAN, AND TO TAKE FORWARD TO COUNCIL A PLAN ON HOW LANDSCAPING MIGHT ADDRESS THE TRADE OFF BETWEEN

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REMOVING THE SCREEN AND THE VISIBILITY FROM AN ADJOINING NEIGHBOR.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

ALL RIGHT, THAT ITEM CARRIES 4-ZERO, THANK YOU.

FINAL ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER NINE, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-DDDDD.

[9. Consider: Ordinance 480-DDDDD, Amendments to Zoning Ordinance 480, as amended to allow the administrative approval of Solar Energy Systems (Solar Panels) meeting certain design and location criteria. PUBLIC HEARING]

AMENDMENTS TO A ZONING ORDINANCE 480.

AND I KNOW WE'VE SEEN THIS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE.

SO IF YOU ALL WANT TO JUST HIT THE CHANGES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND IF YOU THINK WE NEED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE, THAT'S GOOD TO.

SURE. THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS THE PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON AMENDING THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE TO ALLOW ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF ENERGY, SOLAR SYSTEMS OR SOLAR PANELS MEETING CERTAIN DESIGN CRITERIA AND LOCATION CRITERIA.

QUICKLY, I'D LIKE TO JUST GIVE YOU SOME QUICK BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

AS YOU KNOW, THE WAY THE REGULATIONS ARE SET UP, THEY THE CITY REQUIRES ALL SOLAR SYSTEMS TO BE APPROVED BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

THE P&Z PROVIDES A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

CITY COUNCIL HAS THE FINAL AUTHORITY ON THE PERMIT, TYPICALLY TAKES ABOUT TWO AND A HALF TO THREE MONTHS TO PROCESS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT DEPENDING ON MEETING AVAILABILITY.

THESE ARE YOUR CURRENT SUP REGULATIONS.

THEY'RE VERY GENERAL IN NATURE.

ALSO, THE SUP SECTION GIVES YOU THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL FACTORS TO BE CONSIDERED IN TERMS OF GENERAL HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE.

THE TYPICAL APPROACH HAS BEEN THAT THESE PANELS SHOULD BE MINIMIZED FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. AND THAT WAS KIND OF A BASIS FOR BUILDING THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IN TERMS OF A STRATEGIC ALIGNMENT LINKAGE IN YOUR SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION IN THE PLAN TO MODIFY.

IT'S REFERRED TO A SOLAR ENERGY ORDINANCE TO ALLOW SOME SOLAR PANELS BY RIGHT OR ADMINISTRATIVELY UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.

ALSO, AS AS THE NUMBER OF PERMITS COME THROUGH, BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND P&Z HAS ASKED STAFF TO LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE.

ALSO, NO MATTER WHERE YOU LOOK, THERE IS A COST REDUCTION AND INCREASED EFFICIENCY FOR THESE TYPES OF SYSTEMS. IN RECENT YEARS, THE INSTALL COSTS HAVE BEEN DROPPING.

MOST OF THIS IS DUE TO FALLING EQUIPMENT PRICES.

LABORERS COSTS ARE INCREASING.

BUT NO MATTER WHAT SYSTEM YOU LOOK AT, THE CURVE IS IN AN UPWARD TRAJECTORY THAT THESE SYSTEMS ARE BECOMING EFFICIENT OVER TIME.

ALSO, WE'RE SEEING ENERGY COSTS INCREASE IN TEXAS AS THE POPULATION INCREASES AND THERE ARE INCENTIVES AND CREDITS THAT ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE ARE COMING IN MORE AND MORE AS WE MOVE IN THE FUTURE.

THIS IS A EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS YOUR APPROVALS OR COUNCIL'S APPROVALS BASICALLY IN THE PAST THREE YEARS. AND WHEN STAFF CAME UP WITH THE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, WE LANDED ON 600 SQUARE FEET.

AND THERE'S NO MAGIC IN THE NUMBER WE WERE LOOKING AT FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT.

BUT HOW WE DRIVE THAT 600 SQUARE FOOT WAS WE TOOK BASICALLY AN AVERAGE OF ALL THE SOLAR SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED THE PAST THREE YEARS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HARBOR COURT ONE, WHICH IS ALMOST 3000 SQUARE FEET, YOU LAND ABOUT SEVEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY THREE SQUARE FEET AS AN AVERAGE.

YOU PULL THAT CASE OUT, YOU GET FIVE HUNDRED SEVENTY NINE SQUARE FEET AS HARBOR OAKS HAS LARGE HOUSES OF VERY LARGE LOTS.

AND SO 579 AS INITIAL POINT TO DISCUSS, WE ARE PROPOSING SIX HUNDRED FEET FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN 600 FEET TO POSSIBLY BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF CASES. THE ORDINANCE WAS APPROVED LATE 2009 AND YOU CAN SEE FIRST SEVEN YEARS MINIMAL NUMBER OF CASES CAME FORWARD TO THE P&Z AND COUNCIL.

BUT IN RECENT YEARS, EVEN IN A PANDEMIC YEAR, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THOSE INCREASES.

TWO CASES WERE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AT THEIR LAST MEETING, AND WE EXPECT THAT THE

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CASELOAD WILL INCREASE.

AND THIS THIS WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AT LEAST A MORE EFFICIENT PROCESSING SYSTEM FOR THESE TYPE OF SUP APPLICATIONS IF APPROVED.

SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO QUICKLY IS JUST GOING THROUGH THESE POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS AND YOU CAN TAKE THEM INDIVIDUALLY OR DISCUSS THEM AS A WHOLE, BUT THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS TO LOOK AT ALLOWING SOLAR ARRAYS UNDER 600 SQUARE FEET THAT ARE ON FLAT ROOFS, STRUCTURES.

THESE COULD BE PATIO'S OR GAZEBOS TO BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO BE LESS THAN 600 FEET.

AND THEN AN APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO PRESENT A LINE OF SIGHT ANALYSIS THAT DEMONSTRATES THE SYSTEM IS NOT VISIBLE FROM ANY STREET, WHETHER THAT'S A PUBLIC STREET OR A PRIVATE STREET. THE SECOND POSSIBLE AMENDMENT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE FIRST THAT ANY FLAT ROOF STRUCTURE THAT IS CONNECTED TO THE MAIN HOUSE.

THIS WOULD BE A PATIO EXTENSION.

IF IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT AWAY, LESS THAN 600 FEET COULD BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. THE THIRD PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS ON COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THE NEW CARROLL MIDDLE SCHOOL HAS A LARGE SOLAR ARRAY SYSTEM AND ACTUALLY A PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS A PICTURE OF THEIR SYSTEM ON THE ROOF.

STAFF BELIEVES THAT IF THE SYSTEM IS ON A FLAT ROOF STRUCTURE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT AWAY, NOR FROM A STRUCTURE, A RESIDENTIAL LAND USE HIS OWN PROPERTY WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE BUILDING, THEN THAT COULD BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

THERE'S NO SIZE LIMIT ON THESE TYPES OF SYSTEMS. THE THE BELIEF IS IF YOU CAN'T SEE THEM, WHETHER THEY'RE 500 FEET OR 1000 FEET, IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE.

POSSIBLE AMENDMENT FOUR AND FIVE, THESE ARE REALLY AN OPTION, THERE'S AN OPTION FOUR AN OPTION FIVE, ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO ALLOW THEM IF THEY'RE VISIBLE FROM THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. BUT IF THERE IS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT FORM IS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY AND THE OWNERS UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND ARE IN SUPPORT, THEN EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE VISIBLE FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, THIS COULD BE A ONE METHOD FOR POSSIBLE APPROVAL.

YOU ALSO HAVE THE SAME CONDITION AS THE OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO, THAT THESE CANNOT BE VISIBLE FROM ANY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREET.

OPTION FIVE, AMENDMENT FIVE WOULD BE YOU DON'T NEED THAT SIGN OFF OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. REALLY, THE THE ONLY CRITERIA WOULD BE THAT IT'S NOT VISABLE FROM THE STREET AND IT'S LESS THAN 600 SQUARE FEET.

AND THEN IT COULD BE A ROOF MOUNTED TYPE SYSTEM.

AND THEN AS TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES, WE'RE GETTING THESE SOLAR SHINGLES THAT YOU CANNOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THOSE AND YOUR COMPOSITE ROOFS OR YOUR YOUR MORE DECORATIVE TYPE SHINGLES AS THESE BECOME MORE AND MORE AFFORDABLE AND ACCEPTABLE AND UTILIZE THAT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE OF THESE.

AND IT'S OUR THOUGHT THAT IF WE CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE, WHETHER IT'S A TYPICAL SHINGLE OR SOLAR SYSTEM, IT REALLY SHOULDN'T, IT SHOULDN'T MATTER.

AND THE ADMINISTRATOR CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.

WHAT'S ON THE LEFT? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THAT YOU THAT LOOKS LIKE A SOLAR SYSTEM THAT WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE, BUT SOME OF THE PRODUCT THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.

SO THERE'S NO SQUARE FOOTAGE OR SIZE LIMIT FOR THAT TYPE OF SYSTEM.

AND THOSE COULD BE ROOF SYSTEMS. THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN ALSO, ANY GROUND SYSTEM WOULD STILL COME THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND THEN IF A SYSTEM DOES NOT MEET THIS CRITERIA, STILL COME THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS. SO YOU WOULD STILL P&Z AND COUNCIL WILL STILL SEE SOME APPLICATIONS MOVE FORWARD.

THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET.

I WON'T GO THROUGH THIS, BUT THERE'LL BE AMENDMENT TO SECTION 34 OF THE ORDINANCE AND THEN WE'LL AMEND THE SUP IF THIS IS APPROVED, THAT STATES THAT IT'LL STILL COME THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS UNLESS IT MEETS THOSE ACCESSORY USE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION 34.

THIS IS THE TENTATIVE SCHEDULE, DEPENDING ON YOUR ACTION THIS EVENING IN TERMS OF GETTING INFORMATION OUT THE CITY DID PUT A MY SOUTHLAKE NEWS ARTICLE OUT LAST WEEK.

WE SET UP A WEBSITE WHERE ANYBODY CAN GO LOOK AT THE PROPOSALS.

THERE'S ALSO A FORM LINK.

SO IF THEY WANT TO COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED ORDINANCES, THEY CAN DO THAT.

WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY AS OF FIVE O'CLOCK THIS EVENING, BUT THAT IS SOME OF THE

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INFORMATION PUSH. WE DID HOLD A SPIN MEETING ON THIS PROPOSAL IN EXCHANGE, AND THAT HAS ALSO BEEN TO THE CORRIDOR PLANNING COMMITTEE.

THIS IS ANYBODY WATCHING IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, CONTACT INFORMATION, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, KEN, JUST TO CLARIFY AND APOLOGIES, EARLIER, I WAS THINKING THAT WE HAD SEEN THIS HERE, BUT IT WAS AT CORRIDOR, SO NOT EVERYBODY SEEN IT.

SO AS PART OF OUR APPROVAL OR VOTE ON THIS, WE'RE APPROVING ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS OR CAN WE PIECE THEM OUT? AND FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE I HAD A QUESTION ON WAS NUMBER FOUR.

ITEM NUMBER THREE.

WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, OK, THIS ONE HERE, YEAH, SO WITH THAT KIND OF ALONG THE LINES OF MY QUESTION THERE, WOULD THAT BE THE THREE HUNDRED FOOT CHANGE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER? IS THAT GOING TO PLAY INTO THIS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS APPROVED BY SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT ADJACENT AT 300 FEET OR THAT WON'T APPLY? NO, SIR. THIS WOULD ALL BE ADMINISTRATIVE.

AND SO THE WAY IT WOULD WORK, IN OPTION 4 REQUIRES THE PROPERTY OWNERS ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND THEN THE POSSIBLE AMENDMENT FIVE DOES NOT.

AND SO I'M ASKING, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND EITHER FOUR OR FIVE.

BUT IF YOU DID RECOMMEND 4 AND SAY FOUR WAS IMPLEMENTED, IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.

SO IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH ANY LEGAL NOTIFICATION.

IT WOULD JUST BE THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY, HEY, I'VE SPOKEN TO MY ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AND WE'VE DEFINED ADJACENT FOR ANY PROPERTY THAT TOUCHES THE PROPERTY.

THIS WOULDN'T BE ACROSS THE STREET.

IT HAVE TO BE PHYSICALLY TOUCH THE PROPERTY.

HERE'S AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT FORM THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT I'M PROPOSING THEY SIGNED OFF ON AND THEY'RE OK. THE OPTION FIVE WOULD BE AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE 600 FOOT MAXIMUM, LESS THAN THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOUR NEIGHBORS CAN SEE IT OR NOT.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS.

GOTCHA. I MEAN, OVERALL, I THINK IT'S A HUGE HELP IN THE PROCESS TO HAVE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS ON THESE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? WELL, I MEAN, MY MAIN CONCERN ABOUT ANY OF THESE IS JUST THE VISIBILITY AND HOW THEY LOOK, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I MEAN, I AM A LARGE PROPONENT FOR SOLAR AND I WISH EVERYBODY COULD HAVE ONE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IT DOESN'T FIT EVERYBODY'S HOUSE, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO THE ONES THAT ARE JUST CUT AND DRIED, SIMPLE.

I MEAN, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH YOU GUYS LOOKING AT THEM.

AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT THE LINE OF SIGHT AND ANALYSIS HAS GOT TO BE THERE IN ALL CASES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY MAIN MY MAIN THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, BECAUSE AS I STATED BEFORE, THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HERE, I MEAN, I HAVE I'VE GOT PICTURES OF SO MANY HIDEOUS INSTALLS IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY WHERE THERE'S NO CONTROL OVER IT. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE UNTIL IT'S THERE. AND SO THAT THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN.

AND THAT'S I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT I'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THAT IN MY YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE HAD THESE ITEMS COME UP, IT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW IS IT GOING TO LOOK TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS? SO I'M GLAD YOU GUYS HAVE GOT THAT COVERED.

AND I THINK THE 600 SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS TO FIT THE MAJORITY OF THE CASES THAT WE'VE GOT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.

SO WOULD YOU GO WITH NUMBER FIVE THEN, IT SOUNDS LIKE, AS OPPOSED TO FOUR? YEAH, I THINK SO.

I THINK SO. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING.

YEAH. I MEAN, I'M DEFINITELY OK WITH AMENDMENTS ONE THROUGH THREE, AND I THINK BETWEEN FOUR OR FIVE, I MEAN, I'D BE OK WITH EITHER ONE AND I COULD SEE THE REASONING BEHIND 4, I MEAN WOULD STILL GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE P&Z AND CITY COUNCIL IF THEIR NEIGHBORS WEREN'T IN FAVOR OF IT FOR SOME REASON, MAYBE PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE OVERSIGHT. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST DO IT ACROSS THE BOARD, NOT LET SOMEONE'S NEIGHBORS HAVE CONTROL OVER WHETHER THEY GET APPROVAL OR NOT. SO, I MEAN, I COULD GO EITHER WAY.

I MEAN, I THINK I'M LEANING TOWARDS FOUR, BUT I'D BE OK WITH FIVE AS WELL, NOT REQUIRING IT. YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE REAL POSITIVES OF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS HAD ON PRIOR CASES, NOT SPECIFIC RELATIVE TO SIZE, BUT LOOKING AT SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE'VE HAD IN TERMS OF PLACEMENT AND IN TERMS OF VISIBILITY, I WOULD LEAN TOWARD NUMBER FIVE IF JUST BECAUSE OF THE VISIBILITY, IF IT'S NOT VISIBLE, I DO BELIEVE SOMEWHERE AND WE'RE GOING TO I THINK WE NEED TO REINFORCE THIS ON EVERY ONE OF THESE, AS WE DID THIS EVENING.

WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IMPACTS A NEIGHBOR AND I UNDERSTAND THIS WOULDN'T BE COVERED

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UNDER THIS WHEN IT IMPACTS NEIGHBOR, WE'VE GOT TO ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TALK TO NEIGHBORS TO GET THAT INPUT.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT FOR THOSE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE VISIBILITY.

SO I WOULD LEAN TOWARD AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE PERSONALLY.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE GOT TO, I GUESS, HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE.

WE'LL DO THAT REAL QUICK AND THEN TAKE A SHOT AT A MOTION.

ITEM. NUMBER NINE DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. SEEING NO ONE.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND I GUESS IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A SHOT AT A MOTION, I'M GOOD WITH FIVE, BUT I COULD SUPPORT FOR 2. SO, YEAH, I.

I PARTICULARLY LIKE THE PART ABOUT WHERE YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT ON COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS LIKE SCHOOLS WHERE THEY'RE TOTALLY OUT OF SIGHT.

IT'S LIKE, YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S A NO BRAINER.

THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. THAT'S THE PERFECT APPLICATION.

SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU KNOW, AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THOSE.

JUST MAKES SENSE TO ME.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, AS I THINK ABOUT THIS, I THINK THE ONLY ISSUE ON FOUR VERSUS FIVE IS WHO DEFINES VISIBILITY IN RIGHT AWAY.

SO ON THE OTHER HAND, AS COMMISSIONER PHALEN SAID, I DON'T WANT TO SEE US HAMSTRUNG OR SEE THE CITY HAMSTRUNG BY A GROUP THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THESE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BAND TOGETHER AND SAY, I CAN SEE IT THROUGH THAT TREE AND A PINHOLE, BUT I THINK I STILL LEAN TOWARD FIVE PERSONALLY.

SO I'LL CRAFT A MOTION ACCORDINGLY IF I MIGHT. MR. VICE CHAIR I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE 480- TRY NOT TO MAKE THIS SOUND LIKE A SONG, BUT DDDDD AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE 480 TO ALLOW THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEMS, MEETING CERTAIN DESIGN AND LOCATION CRITERIA, AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENTS ONE, TWO, THREE AND FIVE AS A PART OF THIS ORDINANCE RECOMMENDATION.

WE NEED NUMBER 6 I THINK.

DID I MISS THAT. AND AMENDMENT SIX APOLOGIES.

NO PROBLEM. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 4 ZERO, AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.