Feb 25, 2021 Planning and Zoning Commission

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GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS DAN KUBIAK, I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE

[1. Call to Order.]

AND AS THE MEETING YOU'RE IN RIGHT NOW HERE AT 6:30 PM ON FEBRUARY 18, 2021.

SO JUST A FEW QUICK AGENDA ITEMS HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TONIGHT.

FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE HERE FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING, WHICH WOULD NORMALLY BE ON THIS THURSDAY NIGHT, IT'S ACTUALLY UPSTAIRS ON THE THIRD FLOOR KIND OF ON THIS SIDE OF CITY HALL.

YOU KNOW, AS I THINK YOU FIGURED OUT.

OH, PARDON ME, THIS IS THE FEBRUARY 25TH.

IS THAT THE DAY TODAY. SORRY.

IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING FEW WEEKS.

APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. AS AS YOU JUST FIGURED OUT, THIS MEETING WAS POSTPONED BY ONE WEEK, GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK.

SO THIS IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AND FOLLOWING THIS MEETING RIGHT AFTERWARDS, WILL BE OUR SIGN BOARD MEETING THAT WILL BE CONDUCTING.

WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THAT AGENDA.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

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YOU KNOW, I THINK LIKE MANY OF US, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I WAS CERTAINLY IMPACTED WITH WHAT I WOULD CALL CERTAINLY AN EXTENDED POWER OUTAGE, CERTAINLY NOT A ROLLING ONE, AND WATER DIFFICULTIES AS WELL.

AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THAT BEYOND OUR STAFF'S CONTROL IN TERMS OF, AS WE ALL KNOW, ERCOT AND THE CITY OF FORT WORTH CUTTING US OFF FROM WATER.

BUT I THINK A LOT OF OUR CITY DEPARTMENTS DID ALL THEY COULD WITHIN THEIR CONTROL WITH, YOU KNOW, POLICE OBVIOUSLY FIRE OUT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, HELP GUIDE US AROUND TOWN AND IF A FIRE BROKE OUT WHILE WE DIDN'T HAVE WATER THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DID.

PUBLIC WORKS OUT HELPING TO KEEP THE ROADS CLEAR.

I KNOW OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICE WAS OBVIOUSLY REALLY BUSY.

COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT WAS VERY BUSY.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, DIRECTOR BAKER TOLD ME THEY AVERAGED ONE MESSAGE EVERY TWO HOURS, I GUESS SOMETHING LIKE THAT DURING THAT WEEK, TRYING TO GET INFORMATION OUT.

SO I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE IT WAS CERTAINLY FRUSTRATING FOR A LOT OF US AND OUR STAFF WAS DOING ALL THEY COULD HERE AT CITY HALL TO TRY TO HELP WITH THAT WHILE, YOU KNOW, THINGS WERE PROBABLY HAPPENING TO THEIR OWN HOMES.

SO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL THAT.

AND I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY TEE UP DIRECTOR BAKER, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THE CITY IS STILL DOING TO TRY TO HELP OUT WITH THAT RELATED TO PERMITTING OR CONTRACTORS, YOU KNOW, THINK THINGS THAT MAYBE RESIDENTS MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND HELPFUL.

SO, DIRECTOR BAKER, IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST FOR A SECOND, MAYBE OUTLINE A FEW OF THESE THINGS HIGH LEVEL, AND THEN IF YOU NEED SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CERTAINLY ASK STAFF TO FOR SOME HELP.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AS YOU MENTIONED, IT WAS A VERY CHALLENGING WEEK FOR EVERYBODY, PRETTY MUCH AN UNPRECEDENTED STORM EVENT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY STAFF, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THAT THEY WERE INCREDIBLE IN TERMS OF TRYING TO ADDRESS THE WATER SITUATION.

AS YOU AS DIRECTOR COHEN EXPLAINED A LITTLE BIT TO THE BOARD IN YOUR SIAC MEETING THAT THERE WAS A SUPPLY ISSUE.

WE PURCHASE OUR WATER FROM FORT WORTH.

THEY'RE WHOLESALERS WE'RE A WHOLESALER, AND IT WAS REALLY A SUPPLY ISSUE.

BUT ONCE THE WATER STARTED FLOWING AGAIN, THEY MADE SURE OUR TANKS WERE FILLED.

OUR PRESSURE WAS WAS BUILT UP AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

THEY WERE OUT THERE CLEARING THE MAJOR ARTERIALS AND ROADWAYS.

OUR OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, IN TERMS OF GETTING INFORMATION OUT, THEY TOOK THE LEAD IN SECURING THE WATER SUPPLY FROM THE STATE.

THERE WAS A MASSIVE WATER DISTRIBUTION EFFORT LAST FRIDAY.

PROBABLY 8000 CASES WERE SECURED BY THE STATE.

AND A LOT OF THOSE WERE DISTRIBUTED THAT FRIDAY TO OUR RESIDENTS AND ANYBODY IN NEED.

YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THE STORIES OF PEOPLE STEPPING UP AND DELIVERING WATER.

I KNOW OUR MAYOR WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN DELIVERING A NUMBER OF WATER CASES TO SENIOR CITIZENS, ET CETERA. SO THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT STORIES.

BUT THE FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, WELL, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS GET THROUGH THIS AS QUICKLY AND AS EFFICIENTLY AND AS EASY AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE.

BUT SOME KEY THINGS IS THAT WE'LL BE WAIVING PERMIT FEES IF THEY'RE STORM RELATED FOR THE NEXT 60 DAYS. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS A RESIDENT OR A BUSINESS THAT YOU GET YOUR REPAIRS DONE AND THEN YOUR PLUMBER OR ELECTRICIAN OR CONTRACTOR CAN COME IN AND PULL A

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AND WE WANT TO GET EVERYBODY BACK OPERATING AND BACK IN SERVICE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THEY CAN GET THE REPAIRS DONE FIRST.

THE PERMIT CAN COME IN.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO PULL A PERMIT BECAUSE THAT ENSURES YOU HAVE AN INSPECTION DONE ON YOUR HOME. OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS ARE READY.

THEY WANT TO COME OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK DONE MEETS ALL THE CODES.

SO YOUR CONTRACTOR, YOUR PLUMBER, ELECTRICIAN KNOWS THE PROCESS OF PULLING THOSE PERMITS.

AND EVEN IF YOU DO THE REPAIR YOURSELF AS A HOMEOWNER, YOU CAN PULL A PERMIT.

AGAIN, THERE'S NO COST.

JUST LET US KNOW THERE'S WORK DONE IN THE CITY.

INSPECTORS CAN GO OUT THERE AND DO AN INSPECTION.

SO WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE SAFE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE METHODS YOU USE MEET ALL THE CODES SO THAT THAT'S A SERVICE THAT WE'RE OFFERING, THAT THERE'S ALSO SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE'VE PUT UP ON OUR WEBSITE IN TERMS OF CONTRACTORS THAT ARE REGISTERED IN THE CITY, PLUMBERS THAT ARE REGISTERED IN THE CITY.

GOVERNOR ABBOTT HAS WAIVED SOME CERTAIN REGULATIONS FOR PLUMBERS, FOR OUT-OF-STATE PLUMBERS, THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO OPERATE IN THE STATE.

BUT THEY SHOULD BE CARRYING A AN ID CARD, A TEMPORARY LICENSE ISSUED BY THE STATE.

SO IF YOU IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOMEBODY FROM OUT OF STATE, THEY MAY BE VERY LEGIT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AS A HOMEOWNER BUSINESS, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH A LICENSED PLUMBER, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH WATER HEATERS AND GAS AND PRESSURE VALVES AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

THEY CAN GET SOMEWHAT COMPLEX.

AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY'S LICENSE WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT IS DOING THE WORK ON IT. BUT THERE'S ALSO TIPS ON TERMS OF HIRING A CONTRACTOR OF SOME BEST PRACTICES TO USE.

YOU KNOW, HOW TO TURN YOUR WATER OFF IF YOU NEED SOME BASIC INFORMATION, HOW TO TURN YOUR WATER OFF TO YOUR HOUSE.

WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF POOL DAMAGE AND WE PROVIDE SOME TIPS ON POOL REPAIRS AND WORKING WITH THE POOL CONTRACTORS.

AND SO A LOT OF THAT'S OUT THERE ON OUR WEBSITE AND OUR BUILDING INSPECTION PAGE.

BUT AND, YOU KNOW, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OR FIRE DEPARTMENT OR POLICE DEPARTMENT OR OFFICE OF MARKETING COMMUNICATION, THEY JUST DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB AND SPENT MANY HOURS.

I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T GO HOME FOR THREE OR FOUR DAYS.

THEY WERE UP HERE THAT IT WAS A CHALLENGE.

BUT I CAN SAY THE STAFF MEMBERS REALLY STEPPED UP ACROSS ACROSS THE BOARD.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR BAKER, FOR THOSE COMMENTS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THAT ON THE RECORD, BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE WORKING REALLY HARD, YOU KNOW, DOING ALL THEY COULD IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION WHEN, AGAIN, THINGS ON THEIR OWN HOME FRONT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE DICEY.

SO IT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE ON THAT FRONT.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. YOU BET.

WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TOWARDS OUR NORMAL AGENDA HERE.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'LL JUST OUTLINE REALLY QUICKLY FOR THE GALLERY.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE HAVING OUR MEETING IN PERSON AS OPPOSED TO VIRTUAL, WHICH I THINK IS PREFERRED BY MOST WITH RESPECT TO TRYING TO DO IT IN A SAFE MANNER.

YOU'LL NOTICE WE'RE ALL SPACED OUT, CITY STAFF SPACED OUT.

YOU KNOW, WE ASK THAT YOU, PLEASE DO YOUR BEST TO SPACE OUT AS WELL AND MASK UP WHERE APPROPRIATE. WHAT WE'LL BE DOING IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE MEETING WILL WORK, WE'LL CALL UP AN AGENDA ITEM. STAFF WILL DO A PRESENTATION OF SOME KIND.

WE'LL CALL UP THE APPLICANT.

THEY'LL DO THEY'LL MAYBE DO A BRIEF PRESENTATION, MAYBE ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEN WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THOSE ITEMS. THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME UP AND COMMENT.

WE TYPICALLY ASK THAT YOU PLEASE TRY TO KEEP IT TO AROUND THREE MINUTES MAXIMUM JUST IN CONSIDERATION OF OTHERS, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE ALL THAT FEEDBACK INTO ACCOUNT AND WE'LL HAVE A DELIBERATION AND MOVE A RECOMMENDATION FORWARD OF SOME KIND.

SO THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE LAY OF THE LAND AND I GUESS MAYBE STAFF ANY ADMINISTRATIVE

[3. Administrative Comments.]

MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST THIS.

YOU WILL NOT HAVE ANY MEETINGS IN THE MONTH OF MARCH.

I THINK APRIL 8TH IS YOUR NEXT MEETING, BUT IT'S THAT FIRST THURSDAY FOLLOWING THE COUNCIL MEETING. SO YOU'LL BE OFF FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH.

OK, THANK YOU. DULY NOTED.

OK, WITH THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA THIS

[5. Consider: Approval of the minutes for the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on February 4, 2021.]

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON FEBRUARY 4TH, 2021.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR

[6. Resolution No. 21-005, (ZA21-0004), Specific Use Permit with Site Plan for the Dragon House on property described as Lot 1R3, Block 1 of the Gateway Plaza Phase II Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 2640 E. Southlake Blvd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING]

STAFF DID A PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM DURING OUR WORK SESSION WHERE WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT.

OK, IF THAT'S OK, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE APPLICANTS UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE, ON THIS ITEM, IF YOU COULD.

AND MAYBE WE'LL JUST SEE IF IF THERE'S ANY BRIEF STATEMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE AND OR IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND IF YOU DON'T MIND ANYONE WHO COMES UP TO THE MICROPHONE THIS EVENING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE] JOVANI.

JOVANI CONSULTING ENGINEERS.

MY ADDRESS IS 2121 NORTH JOSEY LANE 3200 CARROLLTON, TEXAS, 75006.

OK, I'M THE ENGINEER FOR THIS PROJECT AND I PROVIDED THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT.

OK, ANY OPENING COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE OR JUST GO RIGHT TO QUESTIONS.

I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM.

I MEAN, AND JUST MAYBE TO CONFIRM IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WILL BE DOING KIND OF A CURB ON.

I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT DRIVE THRU LANE TO PREVENT TRAFFIC FROM.

THAT'S RIGHT. WE ARE TRYING TO FILL OUT THAT DRIVEWAY OR DRIVE THRU RIGHT NOW FILL IT WITH THE DIRT AND FOR THE LANDSCAPE ON TOP AND A PORTION OF [INAUDIBLE] PATIO IN THE FUTURE IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WE CAN USE THE [INAUDIBLE] OK, OK, SO THAT'LL BE GOOD FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.

AND THEN. YES. AND THEN AGAIN, THE STORAGE AREA WILL BE A MATERIALS IN A MANNER THAT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING AND IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT'S RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE COLOR OF THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

SO IS THAT JUST PAINT THAT YOU'RE USING THERE? IS THERE ANY KIND OF OTHER FINISH THAT'S GOING ON? LET ME ASK THE OWNER ABOUT THAT ONE.

ARE YOU GOING TO CHANGE THE COLOR? YES, THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE COLOR I GUESS BY PAINTING.

RIGHT. BUT IT'S STRICTLY JUST PAINT.

YES. OK.

OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OK, THANK YOU.

YOU CAN GO AND TAKE A SEAT. IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

AND ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, AS I NOTED EARLIER, IS WELCOME TO COME DOWN TO THE MICROPHONE AND MAKE A COMMENT, SEEING NO ONE WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER SIX.

AND I GUESS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? OK, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA, ZA 21-0004 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 24TH, 2021, AND ALSO SUBJECT TO THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT STAFF REVIEW NUMBER FIVE DATED FEBRUARY 24TH, 21.

OK, WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

OK, GO AHEAD AND VOTE PLEASE.

AND PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT STEP, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT PROBABLY MARCH 2ND IS THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

I DON'T KNOW IF RELATED TO STAFF DEADLINES, IF YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET ON THAT AGENDA OR NOT, BUT I GUESS MAYBE, OK, WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT.

BUT THAT'S THE NEXT MEETING.

NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT. SO THEY NEED TO BE HERE NEXT TUESDAY, MARCH 2ND, WHICH I BELIEVE IS TEXAS INDEPENDENCE DAY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

OK, WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING,

[7. Consider: Ordinance No. 480-779, (ZA21-0005), Zoning Change and Concept Plan for Lot 2, Tate Addition and a portion of Lot 2, Joel W. Chivers No. 350 Addition and a Concept Plan to also include all of Lots 1 and 2, Joel W. Chivers No. 350 Addition, both additions being additions to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 2465, 2525 and 2535 N. White Chapel Blvd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "AG" Agricultural District and "SF-1A" Single Family Residential District. Requested Zoning: "SF 2" Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #1. PUBLIC HEARING]

AND AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE COVERED IN SOME DETAIL IN OUR WORK SESSION THIS EVENING. I HAD A CHANCE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM ? OK, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE APPLICANT UP FOR THIS ITEM, IF THE APPLICANTS HERE, SAME PROTOCOL AS BEFORE, PLEASE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

YES, MY NAME IS DARLA WILLIAMS AND IT'S 2465 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD.

OK. SOUTHLAKE.

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE CITY STAFF PRESENTATION.

NO. OK AND JUST MAYBE JUST CONFIRM FOR THE RECORD, I BELIEVE WITH THIS REQUEST DOES NOT INVOLVE ANY ADDITIONAL NEW IMPROVEMENTS IN TERMS OF THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY NEW FENCING ADDED OR ANYTHING.

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IS OUR UNDERSTANDING.

OK, OK, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S OK. THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.

SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD THIS EVENING, COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

SEEING NO ONE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

AND I GUESS UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA, ZA21-0005, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 24TH, 2021, ALSO SUBJECT TO THE REVISED CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW.

SUMMARY NUMBER TWO, DATED TWENTY FEBRUARY FOR EXCUSE ME, DATED FEBRUARY 24TH, 2021.

AND ALSO SPECIFICALLY APPROVING THE REQUESTED VARIANCE.

OK, WE HAVE FINELY CRAFTED MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

AND MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CONGRATULATIONS.

GOOD LUCK. AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT NEXT MEETING IS MARCH 2ND, SO I HOPE WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON GETTING ON THE AGENDA.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THAT BRINGS US TO THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

[8. Consider: Ordinance No. 480-780, (ZA21-0007), Zoning Change and Site Plan for Mustang Business Park on property described as Tract 1B3, Harrison Decker Survey, Abstract No. 438, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 1800 S.H. 26, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "1-1" Light Industrial District. Requested Zoning: "S P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING]

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LET STAFF KICK US OFF WITH THEIR PRESENTATION.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1800 STATE HIGHWAY 26.

IT ACTUALLY FRONTS SOUTH-WESTERN AND MUSTANG COURT, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF THE STATE HIGHWAY 26.

IT IS A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE ZONING FROM I-1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT SP ONE DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT AND PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 340000 SQUARE FOOT OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUILDING SPACE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS INDUSTRIAL ON THE CITY'S LAND USE PLAN, WITH SOME FLOOD PLAIN LOCATED ALONG THE WEST BOUNDARY.

AND IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED ONE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.

MUSTANG COURT EXTENDS OFF OF STATE HIGHWAY 26 AND SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD EXTENDS AN EASTERLY WESTERLY DIRECTION.

THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING IN A NORTH DIRECTION FROM MUSTANG COURT AT THE FRONT EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD TO THE LEFT, AND A PORTION OF THAT TO THE RIGHT.

AND A VIEW LOOKING NORTH DIRECTION FROM STATE HIGHWAY 26.

THIS IS THE CITY'S MASTER PATHWAY PLAN.

THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE PATHWAYS PLAN IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT, AND THIS SITE DOES REQUIRE A MINIMUM FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK BE CONSTRUCTED WITH CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDE ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGES OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND MUSTANG COURT.

THE ZONING IS BEING CHANGED IN ORDER TO PUT IT INTO THE SITE PLAN DISTRICT ZONING FOR WHICH IT WOULD FOLLOW ALL THE I-1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT USES AND REGULATIONS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MODIFYING THE PERMITTED BUILDING HEIGHT FROM A MAXIMUM OF 35 FEET TO A MAXIMUM OF 45 FEET.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE, A VARIANCE FOR THE STACKING THAT IS BEING REQUESTED WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, EXTENDING INTO THE PROPERTY FROM MUSTANG COURT AND THE PROXIMITY OF THE TWO PROPOSED INTERNAL DRIVEWAYS.

IT DOES NOT MEET THE STACKING THAT THERE'S BY ORDINANCE, NO STACKING PROVIDED FROM THAT RIGHT OF WAY LINE TO THE DRIVEWAY.

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THIS IS THE SITE PLAN ARROW NOTING THE VARIANCE IS THE RIGHT OF WAY BOUNDARY OF MUSTANG EXTENDS INTO THE SITE ROUGHLY ALONG THIS LINE.

AND THIS IS CONSTRUCTED, I GUESS, AT THIS POINT, A FUTURE EXTENSION OF WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN MUSTANG COURT INTO THE PROPERTY.

THIS PROPERTY IS NOT BEING SUBDIVIDED, SO THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC NEED FOR PUBLIC STREET PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREET CONSTRUCTION.

THIS AREA REPRESENTS THE FUNCTIONAL STACKING DEPTH THAT LIES WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF MUSTANG COURT.

AND THESE ARE THE TWO INTERSECTING DRIVE DRIVES THAT COME IN ROUGHLY JUST RIGHT ALONG THAT RIGHT OF WAY LINE.

THE OTHER VARIANTS BEING FOR THE SIDEWALK THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED ALONG THESE PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY.

THESE ARE THE ELEVATION'S PROPOSED FOR THE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, THREE BUILDINGS BEING PROPOSED.

AND SOME LINE OF SIGHT PERSPECTIVES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED FROM THE TERMINATING.

TIMBERLINE COURT.

THESE ARE SOME STREET VIEWS FROM WOODSEY COURT, WHICH IS A STREET THAT EXTENDS AND TERMINATES ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE NORTH BOUNDARY.

AND THIS IS A VIEW OF TIMBERLINE COURT, WHICH TERMINATES THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY.

AND BUILDING THREE EXHIBIT THAT I BELIEVE GOT SPLIT FROM THE OTHERS.

THIS IS THE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN PROVIDED FOR THE SITE.

THEY ARE REQUIRED BY A STANDARD ZONING DESIGNATION TO PRESERVE 60 PERCENT OF THE EXISTING TREE COVER.

THEY ARE PROPOSING JUST UNDER 22 PERCENT IN THEIR SITE PLAN DISTRICT REGULATIONS.

THEY HAVE SET A MINIMUM PRESERVATION LIMIT OF 15 PERCENT.

AND THIS IS THE OVERALL LANDSCAPE PLAN.

DETAILS ARE IN SUBSEQUENT PLANS TO FOLLOW.

THIS IS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE NOTIFIED, HIGHLIGHTED IN GREY TONE.

WE HAVE RECEIVED FIVE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, THOSE IDENTIFIED WITH THE RED DOTS.

WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OR REFER BACK TO ANY OTHER EXHIBITS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

YES, RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED TO THAT WAS ON THE EXHIBIT, ON THE OPPOSITION.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE THAT.

YEAH, THIS FORM. YEAH, I'M GOING TO I'LL READ OFF THIS NAME AS WELL, SO I'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THINGS NOTED IN THE RECORD.

DENNIS, SOMEWHAT OF A MAYBE OBVIOUS COMMENT.

BUT JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A REQUEST FOR TWO VARIANCES.

BUT ALSO, AS I'M READING IT, THE ONLY REASON FOR THE ZONING CHANGE IS JUST FOR THE CLEAR

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CORRECT. OK.

WELL, I THINK THAT THE ZONING I BELIEVE STAFF CAN CORRECT ME, THE ZONING REQUEST IS A PRODUCT OF, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING HEIGHT SITUATION AND THEN SITE PLAN IS RELATED TO THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE AND THE SIDEWALK.

AND I THINK IF IT'S NOT REZONED, I THINK THAT'S WHERE TREE PRESERVATION COMES BACK INTO PLAY IF IT'S A STRAIGHT ZONING CASE.

AM I SAYING ALL THAT RIGHT? YES. OK, OK.

OK, OK. NO, PROBABLY GOOD.

GOOD CLARIFYING COMMENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? GO AHEAD. DENNIS. IF I COULD I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'VE TOLD US HERE.

YOU'RE ASKING FOR A SIDEWALK VARIANCE.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR STACKING VARIANCE.

THEY'RE TREE COVERAGE FALLS SHORT OF WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED CURRENTLY TO PROVIDE.

AND ACCORDING TO THIS LETTER DATED FEBRUARY 23 FROM LEE ENGINEERING THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY IS DEFICIENT. IS THAT IS THAT A FAIR SUMMARY OF THE FACTS? GENERALLY, YES.

YES, I THINK YEAH.

THERE WERE SOME ITEMS THAT I THINK THE LEE ENGINEERING REVIEW WANTED CLARIFICATION ON.

AND YES, YOU ARE.

YOU'RE CORRECT. YOU KNOW, I THINK THE TREE PRESERVATION IS ONLY DEFICIENT IF THEY WERE STRAIGHT ZONING. BUT THEY'RE PROPOSING THEIR OWN ZONING WHERE IT'S NOT.

YES. SO, YES. JUST.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE 100 PERCENT CLEAR RELATIVE TO WHAT THE REQUEST IS.

BUT YES. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FROM STAFF THAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, DENNIS, THE SIMILAR TYPES OF INDUSTRIAL PARKS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE ALONG KIMBALL, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THOSE BUILDINGS? ARE THOSE HIGHER THAN 35 FEET, THOUGH? THOSE ARE AT 35 FEET AS WE MEASURE HIGH.

YES. SO I GUESS IT'LL BE INTERESTING THEN TO UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT, THE RATIONALE BEHIND REQUESTING THAT, BECAUSE I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET A REFERENCE POINT ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT EXIST IN THAT AREA.

THANK YOU. I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK A QUESTION ON THAT.

I HAVEN'T ASKED YOU GUYS YET. SO OFF THE CUFF HERE.

BUT IN TERMS OF OUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT HEIGHT, I GUESS, HOW DO WE SET THAT OR WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT WAS SAID OR WHAT DO WE BASE THAT ON OR DRIVE THAT? I MEAN, I GUESS MAYBE I'LL LET YOU COMMENT FIRST AND THEN.

GOING THROUGH THE FULL HISTORY OF EVOLUTION OF THE VARIOUS ZONING ORDINANCES CITY HAS BEEN AND THE HEIGHT HAS BEEN SET AT THE 35 FEET SINCE ADOPTION OF OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS IN SEPTEMBER OF 89.

AND IT HAS NOT BEEN ALTERED SINCE.

AND THERE'S SOME PRECEDING ZONING ORDINANCES WE'VE BEEN UNDER.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE HEIGHT UNDER SOME OF THOSE PRECEDING ORDINANCES OR NOT.

NO THAT THAT'S HELPFUL, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, CLEAR HEIGHTS ON INDUSTRIAL HAVE CONTINUED TO INCREASE OVER TIME RELATIVE TO FUNCTIONALITY.

BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF OUR ZONING WAS TRACKING THAT OR IF IT WAS JUST KIND OF SET IT UP AT A LEVEL SOME TIME AGO AND HAS BEEN AT THAT LEVEL EVER SINCE.

SO THAT THAT'S HELPFUL CONTEXT FOR ME.

AND AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY, THE GREATER QUESTION IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY FEELS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SPECIFIC SITE.

SO THAT'S A GOOD CONTEXT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YEAH. QUICK QUESTION TO FOLLOW UP ON THE I GUESS, THE LETTER FROM LEE ENGINEERING.

DENNIS, IT LOOK LIKE ON PAGE TWO OF THREE THAT THERE'S A LIST OF ACTION COMMENTS TO KIND OF GET TO THE POINT HERE THAT WERE PART OF THE CITY'S REVIEW BACK IN DECEMBER, AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS SAYING THAT THOSE COMMENTS WERE MADE AT THE END OF DECEMBER AND THERE'S STILL NO RESPONSE.

AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS BETWEEN NOW AND ASSUMING THIS MOVES FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL, HOW DO THESE ITEMS GET ADDRESSED? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON HOW THEY WISH TO ADDRESS THOSE TWO PARTICULAR COMMENTS, WHICH I THINK ARE UNDER 9A AND 9B

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WE ACTUALLY JUST RECEIVED THAT TODAY.

SO THE APPLICANT HAS JUST HAD THIS AFTERNOON POTENTIALLY TO REVIEW THIS FULL REPORT THAT LEE ENGINEERING HAS PROVIDED US ON THEIR ANALYSIS.

OK. AND SO I GUESS THE APPLICANT IS GETTING THIS AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE CITY'S GOTTEN THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THAT CORRECT.

YES. SO IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO GO IN AND TRY AND ADDRESS ANY OF THESE ITEMS OR RESPOND TO THEM, THERE'S NO WAY FOR PLANNING AND ZONING TO SEE THOSE RESPONSES BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. IF IT GOES TONIGHT.

YOU WOULD BE CORRECT.

YES. ALL RIGHT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M WONDERING IF THIS IF THIS APPLICATION IS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME, AS IT WERE. WELL, I THINK ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE CERTAINLY ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS.

BUT I GUESS I'D SAY SINCE WE'VE CERTAINLY GOT EVERYBODY HERE THIS EVENING, WE'LL HAVE A FULL HEARING. AND YOU COULD CERTAINLY REFLECT ANY SENTIMENT THAT YOU'D LIKE WITHIN THE DISCUSSION. SO WE'LL DULY NOTE THAT COMMENT FOR THE RECORD.

OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF FOR NOW? OK, THANK YOU.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE APPLICANT UP, PLEASE.

YOU KIND OF SAW THE ROUTINE BEFORE.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION, THAT'S FINE.

BUT I GUESS I'D SAY ANYTHING THAT'S PREPREPARED KEEP TO A MINIMUM.

AND I THINK WHAT'S MORE HELPFUL, I THINK, WILL BE OBVIOUSLY THE Q&A, THE DIALOG IN ADDRESSING SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD COMMENTED ON IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC STUDY, CONGESTION, FLOW.

AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, RELATIVE TO THE KIND OF STACK OF COMMENT CARDS I HAVE HERE, I SUPPOSE ANOTHER TOPIC WILL PROBABLY BE APPROPRIATE BUFFERING TO THE NORTH RELATIVE TO RESIDENTIAL USES.

SO, YOU KNOW, WORK THAT INTO YOUR COMMENTS IF YOU COULD.

BUT GO AHEAD AND NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS PATRICK HOGAN, WORK WITH KIMLEY HORN AND ASSOCIATES AT 13455 NOEL ROAD TWO GALLERIA OFFICE TOWER SUITE 700 DALLAS, TEXAS, 75240.

AND THE APPLICANT REPRESENT THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER OF THIS PROJECT REGARDING SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY HEARD.

AS MENTIONED, WE'RE NOT SEEING THE RESPONSE FROM LEE ENGINEERING ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, BUT OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE BELIEVE CAME FROM THAT INITIAL REVIEW.

WE EVEN WORKED WITH THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE ON THE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT AFFECTING TRAFFIC LIGHT AND MUSTANG COURT AND 26.

AND IF THERE'S A FEW OTHER ITEMS THAT WE CAN ADJUST AT THE INTERSECTION, I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW AT MUSTANG COURT AND SOUTHWEST IF WE NEEDED TO DO THAT. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS ABOUT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS AND ALL THAT.

WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO ADJUST THE SITE PLAN A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE THOSE TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS. WE BELIEVE THERE'S SOME VERY ADEQUATE BUFFERING ALONG THE NORTH EDGE OF OUR SITE, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO KIND OF ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS TYPICALLY REQUIRED OVER THERE, BASICALLY ANY KIND OF TREE, ANY KIND OF GREEN SPACE UP THERE. WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A TREE OR CANOPY TREE OR ORNAMENTAL TREE UP THERE TO LESSEN THE IMPACT THERE, ALONG WITH A SOLID SCREEN FENCE THAT WILL RUN ALONG THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. LET'S SEE, THERE'S A FEW OTHER COMMENTS, BUT SO I'M JUST GOING TO PROBABLY LEAVE IT AT THAT, AND IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER JUST TO ADDRESS THOSE.

OK, WELL, THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP, I GUESS, TO COMMISSIONERS AND WHAT YOU GUYS GO AHEAD, MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO THE APPLICANT.

THE RENDERING WE SAW OF THE I GUESS THE NORMAL STUFF AND I GUESS THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE THAT'S UP AGAINST THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

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IS THAT YEAR ONE OR YEAR FIVE OR YEAR 10 LIKE WHAT'S THE STAGE OF THAT? THE MATURITY OF THOSE TREES. SO IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF A MIX.

THERE'S ALREADY SOME EXISTING MATURE TREES ALONG THAT NORTHERN EDGE AND THAT'S ACTUALLY UP ON THE NORTH KIND OF EAST CORNER LIKE THAT DENSITY.

THOSE LOOK OLDER, MORE MATURE.

YEAH. SO THERE IS SOME THAT THE RENDERING WORKS IN AND IT'S NOT A PERFECT RENDERING.

AND THE ONE THING WE ARE DOING, THE CITY REQUIRES ACTUALLY TWO, I THINK IT'S LIKE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF TWO INCH CALIPER TREES AT THE BEGINNING, PLANTING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING UP TO FOUR INCH CALIPER TREES, WHICH IS A LOT MORE MATURE TREE. I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, SO I WOULDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YEAR, WHATEVER THIS WOULD.

IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS, BUT A FEW YEARS AND ONE OTHER ITEM THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE ON THE SITE PLAN.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THE ACTUAL GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN POINT A AND OUR BUILDING.

SO POINT A IS UP I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND THE ELEVATION OF 609 OR 610 IN ELEVATION.

OUR FINISHED FLOOR THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, I THINK IS AROUND 604.5.

SO WE'RE ALREADY DROPPING ABOUT FIVE FEET FROM THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE TO THE BUILDING. SO THAT KIND OF MAKES UP SOME OF THAT HEIGHT VARIANCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT AHEAD AND MADE THIS, BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE A POINT OF CONTENTION. AND JUST TO KIND OF GIVE A GENERAL VIEW OF WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

OK, AND THEN ONE QUESTION RELATED TO CLEAR HEIGHT.

I GUESS BY DEFINITION, THE CLEAR HEIGHT IS IT'S SORT OF STATED AND ADVERTISED ON THE MARKETING PURPOSES, YOU KNOW, LESS FORTY FIVE FEET OF BUILDING HIGH.

WHAT'S THE WAS THE CLEAR HEIGHT THEN AND IS THE FORTY FIVE WHAT'S DEPICTED ON ON THIS RENDERING. SO ACTUALLY OUR BUILDING, OUR BUILDING HEIGHT IS 42 6 AS OF RIGHT NOW.

42 FEET AND SIX INCHES.

WE ALWAYS WOULD ASK FOR FORTY FIVE JUST IN CASE.

JUST MINOR CHANGES MAY BE MADE.

BUT IF ANYTHING IT WOULD JUST BE A COUPLE OF INCHES, IT WOULDN'T BE UP TO FORTY FIVE BUT THAT FORTY FIVE IS, IS DEEMED BY STAFF AS THE THAT'S BASICALLY THE HIGHEST POINT OF YOUR ROOF MINUS SOME.

THERE'S YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE SOME PARAPET THAT EXTENDS PAST THAT, THERE'S SOME LEEWAY THERE, BUT IT IS OF WHERE THAT ROOF PITCHES SO THAT YOU CAN SLOPE AND [INAUDIBLE]. YEAH.

I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND LIKE FROM FROM A MARKETING STANDPOINT, THE CLEAR HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING FOR THE TENANTS.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JASON BENGERT.

I REPRESENT BROOKFIELD PROPERTIES ADDRESS 2121 NORTH PEARL STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.

I THINK I THINK THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING IS REALLY WHAT'S DRIVING THAT HEIGHT.

AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A CLEAR HEIGHT INSIDE TO UNDER BUILDING MATERIALS AND UNDER [INAUDIBLE] OF THIRTY SIX FEET.

THIRTY SIX. AND REALLY WHAT'S DRIVING THAT IS JUST TODAY'S MARKET THAT THE TENANTS ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR AN EFFICIENT BUILDING.

THE LOGISTICS WORLD PER SAY, OR MARKET IS IT'S PUTTING THROUGH MORE PRODUCT AND TO GET THAT PRODUCT IN THE SPACE, WE NEED HIGHER RACKING SPACE.

SO THE THIRTY SIX FEET MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

BELOW THAT THE BUILDING ISN'T REALLY EFFICIENT ANYMORE.

YEAH, I GET THAT.

AND THEN SO THE FORTY TWO FEET IS WHAT'S DEPICTED HERE.

CORRECT. OK. OK, NEXT SET OF QUESTIONS FROM.

I GUESS ANYBODY WANTS TO.

SO I GUESS MY POINT IS, DO YOU HAVE A TENANT FOR THIS? DO YOU KNOW WHAT USE IS GOING TO BE WHAT THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THERE IS GOING TO BE AS FAR AS SEMI TRAFFIC, WE DON'T HAVE A TENANT AT THIS POINT.

TYPICALLY, WE'RE SEEING IT COULD BE ANYONE FROM A SUPPLY TYPE COMPANY.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING MANUFACTURED IN THIS SPACE.

BUT AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE A TENANT.

AND YOU THINK THAT'S THE BEST USE FOR THIS LAND IS TO PUT A WAREHOUSE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS AREA HERE? WE DO.

IN TERMS OF ACCESS POINTS AND LOCATION WITHIN THE GREATER DFW, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

AND MAYBE JUST TO KIND OF JUST ADD ONTO THAT FOR A SECOND, BECAUSE BUILDS ON MAYBE THE POINT COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS WAS TALKING ABOUT.

I MEAN, THIRTY SIX FOOT CLEAR IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY COMMON HEIGHT NOW FOR DISTRIBUTION BUILDING. BUT I THINK MAYBE THE TWEAK OF THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR SITE,

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IT'S GOING TO BE DRIVING A LOT OF VOLUME, WHICH IS GOING TO DRIVE A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC.

BY DEFINITION, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SELLING TO TENANTS.

SO IS THIS THE BEST MICRO LOCATION FOR, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING OF THAT CLEAR HEIGHT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THOSE ATTRIBUTES RELATIVE TO THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS WE'VE HEARD EARLIER? AND, YOU KNOW, JUST CROSSING THE RAILROAD TRACKS, JUST THE LOGISTICS OF CROSSING AN ACTIVE RAILROAD TRACK.

SO I THINK I THINK THAT'S THAT TO ME IS REALLY THE WAY I'M TRYING TO THINK OF IT.

I MEAN, IT'S A VERY COMMON, CLEAR HEIGHT.

BUT IS THAT THE RIGHT HEIGHT FOR THIS SITE? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT TRANSITIONS US.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S THE ONLY BUILDING OF ITS TYPE THERE.

IT JUST TO ME, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT FITS INTO THAT LOCATION FOR BRINGING STUFF IN TO STOCK YOUR WAREHOUSE TO START WITH OR TAKING IT OUT.

BUT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HIGH VOLUME AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE CLEARLY GOT YOUR STACKING PROBLEMS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THERE.

YOU GIT SEMIS GOING IN AND OUT AND ONE ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST TO ME, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REALLY THAT'S NOT WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY A THIRTY SIX FOOT CLEAR HEIGHT DOESN'T NECESSARILY DIRECTLY CORRELATE TO HIGHER VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.

A LOT OF THE TIME IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE STORAGE AND NOT NECESSARILY THROUGHPUT OR IN AND OUT LIKE, SAY, A TRUCK TERMINAL WOULD BE YOU KNOW, WE DON'T FORESEE MAJOR DISTRIBUTION LIKE A FEDEX OR SOMETHING.

BUT YOU SAID YOU DON'T HAVE A TENANT.

CORRECT. SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

CORRECT. SO YOU'RE JUST HOPING THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

SO I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE.

AND WE'VE DONE TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT STUDIES.

AND PATRICK, YOU WANTED TO COMMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT.

YEAH, JUST KIND OF CLARIFY AND MAKE SURE WE'RE KIND OF DRIVING THE TRAFFIC POINT KIND OF HOME. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS PEAK HOUR.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, WHEN WE DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, WE LOOK AT PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC AND AMOUNT OF DAILY TRIPS.

AND SOUTHLAKE'S ORDINANCE, THERE'S A THERE'S ACTUALLY A THRESHOLD.

AND WE AND BOTH OF THOSE THRESHOLDS WERE ACTUALLY FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND THIS AMOUNT OF DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSE, OUR PEAK DAILY TRIPS AND OUR PEAK PER AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS IN OUR PEAK HOUR TRIPS WERE WELL BELOW BOTH THOSE TWO THRESHOLDS.

AND THIS IS WHY THE TIA KIND OF LAGGED A LITTLE BIT, WAS BECAUSE WHEN WE SUBMITTED, THAT'S WHEN WE GOT THAT COMMENT THAT GO AHEAD AND CREATE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR THE SITE. BUT BASICALLY THESE THESE DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSES DON'T ACT THE SAME WAY AS, SAY, LIKE A MULTIFAMILY SITE WOULD WHERE IT WOULD DRIVE UP A TON OF TRIPS IN AND OUT OF THE IN AND OUT OF THE STREET. ONE OTHER ITEM THAT WE DID WAS WE WENT AHEAD AND EVEN THOUGH MUSTANG COURT IS NOT GOING TO EXTEND ALL THE WAY THROUGH, WHAT WE DID WAS EXTEND A FULL THIRTY SIX FOOT WIDE DRIVE THROUGH THE SITE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT TRAFFIC CAN FLOW A LITTLE BIT MORE SMOOTHLY. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TIGHT, TIGHT TURNS, TIGHT CORNERS THAT A LOT OF THERE SHOULDN'T BE A LOT OF OUTSTANDING TRAFFIC OUTSTANDING TRUCK TRAFFIC MOVING IN AND OUT. AND EACH BUILDING HAS A FEW ACCESS POINTS TO ENSURE THAT IF YOU SAY, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STACKING DEPTH, IF YOU'RE A TRUCK COMING IN FROM MUSTANG AND THEY WANT TO GO TO BUILDING THREE ON THE SOUTH END, IF THAT IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT FIRST ENTRANCE LEFT TURN IS BLOCKED, THEY CAN ALWAYS MOVE ALL THE WAY DOWN, LOOP AROUND. AND THAT'S GENERALLY HOW MOST TRUCKS, MOST TRUCK DRIVERS PROBABLY GOING TO ENTER THAT SITE.

JUST BY YOU DON'T WANT TO MOST OF THEM LIKE AN EASY, GOOD TURN.

NO. [INAUDIBLE] AND GO ON THEIR WAY.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY FOR ME WHEN I LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOUR TENANT IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU BUILD A TIA BECAUSE IF THIS WERE, AND I'LL PICK THE EXTREME.

IF THIS WERE AN AMAZON DISTRIBUTION FACILITY, YOU'D HAVE ONE LEVEL OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD

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SO I STRUGGLE A LOT WITH THE USE OF IT AND NOT HAVING A TENANT AND UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY THE ACCURACY OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

NUMBER TWO, I THINK, IS A QUESTION I'D HAVE WOULD RELATE TO THE HOURS OF OPERATION, BECAUSE, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE AN AMAZON, YOU'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING 24/7.

IF YOU'RE THAT ELECTRICAL SUPPLY CONTRACTOR JUST USING A STORAGE FACILITY, YOU PROBABLY COULD CONTAIN YOUR HOURS TO EIGHT TO FIVE.

WHAT ARE YOU PROJECTING AS FAR AS THE HOURS THAT YOU WOULD FORSEE THESE THREE BUILDINGS BEING VISITED BY SEMI TRUCK TRAFFIC? YEAH, IT'S TOUGH TO FULLY COMMIT TO HOURS.

CERTAINLY WE DON'T FORESEE A TENANT LIKE AN AMAZON.

I MEAN, THEY'RE TYPICALLY IN THE MARKET LOOKING FOR A BIGGER SPACE THEN THIS.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE TYPICALLY WE'RE SEEING KIND OF LIKE EIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, YOUR STANDARD WORK HOURS FOR THE MOST PART.

BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A TENANT TO FULLY KNOW WHAT THAT ANSWER IS TODAY, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT TYPICALLY WE'RE NOT SEEING STUFF THAT THE PRODUCT WE'RE PUTTING ON THE MARKET TO BE BEYOND A TYPICAL WORKDAY.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WHERE I WAS COMING FROM, BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE VERY SPECIFIC AND BOUNDARY TIME SLOTS IN IT.

SO YOU'VE GOT A CHALLENGE OF TRYING TO MARKET SOMETHING, KNOWING SOME OF THE OBJECTIONS THAT EXIST, WHETHER IT'S THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES THROUGH, WHETHER IT'S THE NOISE THAT GOES THROUGH, WHETHER IT'S THE SPILLAGE OF LIGHTING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE MARKETING THIS TO TRY AND FIND A TENANT, GIVEN SOME OF THE UNKNOWNS THAT I DON'T THINK HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

SO I GUESS JUST A QUESTION I HAVE MAYBE, PATRICK, YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT IF THIS WASN'T BEYOND THE 35 FEET, IS THAT STILL A CONCERN IN TERMS OF HOURS A DAY BECAUSE IT'S STILL ZONED FOR THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, CORRECT? WELL, YEAH.

I MEAN, I THINK IT KIND OF DRIVES MORE.

YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BUILDING IN THE SITE PLAN HERE IN THE UPPER LEFT, THE FRONT PART REAR LOAD, YOU KNOW, TO COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER'S POINT, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE LARGE BULK DISTRIBUTION USERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REALLY FLIPPING THINGS OVER, DRIVING A LOT OF TRAFFIC VOLUME LIKE THE [INAUDIBLE] BUILDING IS PROBABLY HAVE MORE, MAYBE THE ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR, ET CETERA.

STYLE OF BUILDING CLEAR HEIGHT WILL DRIVE USER AND DRIVE TRAFFIC AND DRIVE VELOCITY.

AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS BECAUSE I APOLOGIZE.

I DIDN'T BRING MY GLASSES AND MY STRUGGLING WITH THE FINE PRINT HERE, BUT I GUESS THE WHETHER THE CLEAR HEIGHTS ANTICIPATED OR REQUESTED ON THE OTHER TO THE FRONT PART REAR LOAD BUILDINGS. I THINK WE HAD 30 AND 28 PATRICK? MAYBE THEY'RE BOTH THIRTY TWO.

I THINK THEY'RE BOTH THIRTY TWO.

AND I GUESS IF.

YEAH THAT'S THE YEAH.

I WAS GOING TO SAY SO WITH THE 35 FOOT MAX HEIGHT.

WHAT KIND OF CLEAR HEIGHT DO YOU THINK YOU COULD GET AND STAY WITHIN THAT IS LIKE BECAUSE TWENTY EIGHT TO THIRTY ON A FRONT PART REAR LOAD BUILDING WILL KIND OF DRIVE MORE THE ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR USER THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING, COMMISSIONER ROTHEMEIER, THAT LIKELY WON'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT VOLUME OF MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT ACTIVITY OR, YOU KNOW, MASSIVE VELOCITY.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO THINK THROUGH, BECAUSE YOUR VARIANCE REQUEST KIND OF OPENS THE DOOR TO A TENDENCY THAT IT'S KIND OF EXASPERATING THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO STRUGGLE WITH HERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN A TWENTY EIGHT TO 30 FOOT CLEAR FRONT PART, REAR LOAD BUILDING IS A VERY MARKETABLE BUILDING IN AN INFILL LOCATION LIKE THIS IN DFW.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING I'M TRYING TO PROCESS MY HEAD IS WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE REAL ESTATE IN OUR CITY THAT'S JUST FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE AND NOT, YOU KNOW, PROMOTING TAX VALUE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS THE CITY.

BUT IT'S THE RIGHT KIND OF BUILDING THAT DRIVES THE RIGHT ACTIVITY, PARTICULARLY FOR THIS SITE. AND GIVEN THE KIND OF THE ADJACENT USES, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR THE RAILROAD, ETC.. SO, YEAH, WELL, CERTAINLY THE MARKET IS IS LOOKING.

THE DEMAND IS THERE FOR THE HIGHER CLEARING.

ANYTHING THAT STARTS WITH THE WORD INDUSTRIAL CAN LEASE RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, YES, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SO CONCERNED PERSONALLY ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRUCKS BECAUSE I THINK IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE OF THE SHARED TRUCK COURT IT DOESN'T.

AND THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE THIS HIGH VOLUME, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL USER.

BUT I AM A LITTLE MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE SIZE OF IT BEING PERFECT FOR LIKE A AMZL LAST

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THAT'S WHAT I'M MOST WORRIED ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THEY'LL TURN IN THE WHOLE TRUCK COURT INTO VAN PARKING ON THE SIDE AND IT'S USUALLY LIKE ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

YEAH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WORKAROUND WITH THAT.

WELL I MEAN IT.

I MEAN IT IS LAND USE FOR INDUSTRIAL, BUT I THINK IT'S HOW WE DO IT.

AND I THINK BUFFERING IS PART OF THAT RELATIVE TO THE ADJACENT USES.

AND THAT ACTUALLY KIND OF REMINDS ME OF ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD, I GUESS ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THIS SITE. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING IMPROVEMENTS KIND OF RIGHT UP AGAINST PROPERTY LINE. IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? I GUESS, YEAH.

AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED IT IN THE MATERIALS.

NO, NO, NO PROBLEM. WE WANTED TO REALLY TRY TO SHIFT EVERYTHING TO THE EAST, TRY TO PRESERVE AS MUCH ON THE WEST CORRIDOR IN TERMS OF THE CREEK AND THE NATURAL HABITAT THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF TREES.

SO IT MADE MORE SENSE TO TIGHTEN UP EVERYTHING BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO TRY TO ASK WITHIN THE SITE, I MEAN, TREE PRESERVATION IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT.

AND THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY SETBACKS AS WELL.

YEAH, YEAH.

THERE WAS SOME ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, SHIFT SOME OF THAT PRESERVATION TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE WHERE, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.

AND AGAIN, THAT WAS CERTAINLY PART OF OUR INTENT GOING INTO THIS WAS TO TRY TO MAKE AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE TREES ON THAT NORTH SIDE.

YOU KNOW, THE TREES THAT WE ARE LOSING ON THIS SITE.

A LOT OF THEM ARE WHAT YOU COULD CONSIDER WEEDS OR, YOU KNOW, ON THE DYING SIDE WHERE WE'RE COMING IN AND PLANTING THE FOUR INCH CALIBER NEW GREEN TREES.

SO THAT'S THE WHOLE INTENT THERE AS WELL.

AND MAYBE DENNIS, GOING BACK TO THE SITE PLAN AND IT'S JUST KIND OF A SMALL COMMENT.

SO THE BOTTOM BUILDING THAT THE DRIVE THAT KIND OF HEADS, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE NORTH EAST TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION WHERE THERE'S NO STACKING DEPTH AND DENNIS, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN USE THE MOUSE TO KIND OF IF HOPEFULLY YOU UNDERSTAND WHICH ONE.

YES, THAT ONE. IS THERE ANY REASON THAT THAT DRIVE COULD NOT KIND OF BREAK AND GO ALONG THE PARKING LOT FOR THAT BUILDING VERSUS GOING OVER TO WHERE IT'S CREATING NO STACKING DEPTH. YEAH, I GUESS, DENNIS, IF YOU PUT YOUR MOUSE RIGHT THERE AND IT JUST GOES STRAIGHT UP. YEAH, I'M NOT NECESSARILY USING THE PARKING FIELD, BUT RUNNING NEXT TO IT.

SO YOU'D HAVE MORE STACKING DEPTH, AT LEAST FOR THAT PART OF THE SITE, AND MAYBE SHIFTED THE RETENTION POND OVER CLOSER TO 26.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, IS THAT ANYTHING YOU GUYS THOUGHT ABOUT OR IS THERE SOME REASON THAT WON'T WORK? I THINK GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LAYING DOWN SITES, WE LIKE TO LINE UP DRIVEWAYS JUST. YEAH, JUST IN CASE THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT ONE USER COULD COME IN AND BUY.

BUT WE I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, YEAH, I KNOW THE CITY LIKES TO LINE UP COLLECTOR ROADS, TOO, BUT I GUESS WHEN YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU'VE GOT A STACKING DEPTH ISSUE, IF THERE'S AN ABILITY TO MAKE IT BETTER, IF AGAIN, LIKE IF THIS IF THAT IS A STICKING POINT, I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK.

WELL, I THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, I THINK BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE BACK TO COMMISSIONER DYCHE'S EARLIER COMMENT, THAT THERE'S KNOW SOME STRUGGLES WITH WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED THIS EVENING. SO I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO TONIGHT IS TRY TO AIR OUT.

YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU KNOW AS WELL HERE SOON.

I'D LIKE TO AIR OUT WHAT WHAT ARE THE AREAS WE'RE STRUGGLING IN? WHAT ARE AREAS WE'D LIKE TO SEE IMPACTED.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK US TO VOTE ON WHAT'S TONIGHT OR IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT OR, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

BUT I WANT TO TRY TO DRAW THAT OUT TO YOU AT LEAST KIND OF KNOW WHAT'S IN OUR HEAD AND WHAT THIS COMMISSION MIGHT FIND AMENABLE AND OBVIOUSLY AFTER WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL. BUT I GUESS ANY OTHER COMMISSION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET ALL THE ITEMS KIND OF OUT ON THE TABLE HERE.

YEAH, I MEAN, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR COMMENTS, I SUPPOSE IT'S POSSIBLE I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION IN THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE MEETING.

I DON'T THINK SO.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE RESPONSIBILITY LIES, BUT THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SAW THERE IN TERMS OF THE ISSUES BEING ADDRESSED, PRIMARILY TRAFFIC.

AND AGAIN, I KNOW THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ON Y'ALL BECAUSE WE JUST GOT THE LETTER TODAY AND THEN IS AS FAR AS THE SHRUBBERY AND TREES AND LANDSCAPING AND EVERYTHING ON THE

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SO FROM MY STANDPOINT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HECK I'M TRYING TO VOTE ON TONIGHT BECAUSE IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE MEETING AND THESE ITEMS I REALIZE WE NEED TO DO A GOOD JOB AND HELP THE APPLICANT.

BUT THIS IS A REPEAT OF THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE MEETING.

AND WE HAD TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS GO THROUGH EXPLICIT DETAIL ON WHAT THEY EXPECTED OR WHAT THEY WERE HOPING TO SEE, AND THAT WASN'T DONE.

SO IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, THIS IS A WASTE OF EVERYONE'S TIME, INCLUDING THE RESIDENTS.

WELL, MAYBE TO PREVENT IT FROM BEING A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME, MAYBE WE CAN DO, AT LEAST FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IS GO THROUGH THE FEEDBACK, AT LEAST THAT I'M HEARING VOICE THAT OUT.

WE'LL CALL THE RESIDENTS UP WHAT THEN PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK AND THEN YOU CAN MATCH THAT UP HERE. AND THEN WE CAN TAKE, YOU KNOW, AT YOUR REQUEST, WHATEVER ITEM ACTION YOU LIKE.

AND I THINK MAYBE MAYBE JUST KIND OF STARTING US OFF BRIEFLY.

OBVIOUSLY, CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THE STACKING DEPTH.

ADJUSTMENT TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THE STACKING DEPTH ISSUE, AND I GUESS I'D ALSO SAY STRUGGLES WITH THE VARIANCE FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT, PARTICULARLY RELATIVE TO THE TYPE OF USER THAT DRAWS AND VELOCITY OF USER.

SO I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A STRUGGLE TO APPROVE A VARIANCE THERE IF I'M HEARING.

RIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'LL TALK FOR A SECOND AND I'LL STOP AND LET ANY COMMISSIONERS CHIME IN. SO STRUGGLE ON THE VARIANCE FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT, STRUGGLING ON THE STACK.

AND IF NOT, NOT MAYBE TO SAY THAT STRUGGLE COMPLETELY TO WAVE IT 150 FEET.

BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY A STRUGGLE THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED NOW.

I THINK A STRUGGLE FOR THE BUFFERING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE IN TERMS OF THE RESIDENTIAL USE THAT'S THERE, YOU KNOW, FURTHER BUFFERING IN TERMS OF EITHER DISTANCE AND OR LANDSCAPE BUFFERING.

AND I KNOW THERE'S AN EIGHT FOOT, I GUESS, BARRIER THERE.

BUT MAYBE WHAT THAT CONSISTS OF I MEAN, IF IT'S WOOD FENCE OR SOMETHING, THAT'S MAYBE MORE HELPFUL. ONE OTHER JUST MORE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF AND I MIGHT HAVE SAW IT IN THE MATERIALS REFERENCE THAT IDEALLY THEY'D LIKE TO SEE AN EMERGENCY ONLY ACCESS CUT OUT TO THE WEST.

I BELIEVE THAT, AGAIN, WOULD JUST MAYBE BE AN EASEMENT, BUT JUST SOMETHING JUST FOR THE FUTURE. JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HELP THE CITY BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE CITY OWNS THE PARCEL JUST TO THE WEST.

AND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS THE CITY AND THEREFORE IT BENEFITS, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY AS WELL, TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS, MAKE SURE I NOTED, I GUESS, ANY OTHER JUST BROAD COMMENTS OR ITEMS JUST IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GIVE THEM FEEDBACK AS TO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO CHOOSE TO TRY TO ADDRESS OUR COMMENTS, WHAT THEY SHOULD FOCUS ON. I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE FOUR HUNDRED AND SIXTY PARKING SPOTS.

SO YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON HAVING ANY, LIKE, CONVERTING ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS TO AN OFFICE OR HAVING A HUGE OFFICE STAFF THERE.

WHY DO WE, WHAT DO YOU WHAT ARE YOU THINKING THESE USES OF THESE PARKING SPOTS ARE GOING TO BE FOR? SO TYPICALLY WE ALLOW UP TO I THINK IT'S 10 PERCENT, IF THAT'S CORRECT, ON YOUR [INAUDIBLE].

SO YOU COULD HAVE SOME OFFICE AND IN THE FRONT WITH SOME STORAGE WAREHOUSE SPACE IN THE BACK, A LOT OF TENANTS ARE LOOKING FOR THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT ON THE MARKET.

SO, YEAH, THOSE ARE OFFICE EMPLOYEES CARS.

GO, OK, ANY OTHER COMMENTS MAYBE BEFORE I DO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION NEXT? I THINK WE'RE GOOD NOW.

OK. ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? OR AND WE CAN CALL YOU BACK UP AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH AFTER WE DIGEST THAT KIND OF NEXT STEPS.

YEAH, JUST MAYBE GOING BACK TO YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE SPIN CORRIDOR SESSION, BECAUSE, I MEAN, A LOT OF THEM WERE WERE AROUND THE WHOLE NORTH BOUNDARY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TO TRY TO OBVIOUSLY CURB THE SIGHT LINE AND NOISE AND LIGHT POLLUTION.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID TAKE ALL THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION.

WE HAVE THE BERM, WE HAVE THE WOOD FENCE, WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL TREES.

THIS IS A LEED PROJECT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A SUSTAINABLE GREEN TYPE BUILDING THAT IS APPROVED BY THE U.S.

GREEN BUILDING COUNCIL.

AND AS PART OF THAT, THERE'S CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.

AND ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA POINTS IS LIGHT POLLUTION.

SO, I MEAN, WE'VE CHOSEN LED LIGHTING.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO BLEED OVER TO THE NORTH SIDE OR THE WEST SIDE TO THE NEIGHBORS.

SO WE'RE ADDRESSING EVERY COMMENT THAT CAME UP AND TRYING TO DO IT AS BEST AS WE CAN,

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YEAH, WE YOU KNOW, WITH THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE MEETINGS, I MEAN, IT'S OUR ATTEMPT.

IT'S NOT A PERFECT PROCESS, BUT IT'S OUR ATTEMPT TO TRY TO PROVIDE AT LEAST SOME FEEDBACK EARLY. IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE.

IT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ALL THE FEEDBACK EARLY, BUT AT LEAST SOME OF IT SO YOU CAN POTENTIALLY START TO ADDRESS AND OBVIOUSLY HAVE SPIN MEETINGS AND IN THIS MEETING.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE THINGS BROUGHT UP IN THIS POINT OF THE PROCESS.

MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD BEFORE, BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE WAY IT WORKS.

YOU KNOW, WE DO OUR BEST TO DELIVER NEWS EARLIER, YOU KNOW, IF POSSIBLE.

BUT YOU WILL HEAR NEW COMMENTS ALONG THE WAY.

BUT MAYBE WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOW.

AND AFTER THAT, WE CAN CALL YOU BACK UP AND KIND OF TALK THROUGH NEXT STEPS.

THAT SOUND GOOD. OK, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OK, ASK PLEASE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY IN THE GALLERY BEING PATIENT AS WE KIND OF WORK THROUGH ALL THIS.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO I'M GOING TO OPEN THAT.

I GOT SOME COMMENT CARDS HERE.

AND JUST IN TERMS OF HOW ALL THIS WORKS, IF YOU FILLED OUT A COMMENT CARD, I'LL GO AHEAD AND NOTE THE YOU KNOW, THE COMMENT ON IT.

FOR THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME UP HERE.

IF YOU WANT. YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND AND NOT COME UP HERE.

YOU CAN COME UP HERE EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T SUBMIT A COMMENT CARD, YOU CAN EVERYBODY KIND OF GETS THERE THREE MINUTES. SO, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU FILLED ONE OUT OR NOT.

BUT MAYBE WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL JUST START WITH THE ONES IN FRONT OF ME HERE AND READ THEM OUT. AND THEN IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP, PLEASE FEEL FREE.

AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE SOMETIMES I STRUGGLE READING NAMES HERE BUT PAUL HASSELFELDT.

I BELIEVE THAT'S AT 1220 WOODSEY COURT WANTS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION ON THIS ITEM.

IS THAT I GUESS IF YOU STILL WANT TO GO AHEAD AND COME ON UP. MICROPHONE IS OVER HERE I GUESS FEEL FREE TO MAKE YOUR WAY OVER HERE IN THE SAFEST MANNER POSSIBLE AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND FIRE AWAY. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

CITY COUNCIL. I'M PAUL HASSELFELDT.

I LIVE AT 1220 WOODSEY COURT SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS, 76092.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK OUT IN OPPOSITION AGAINST THE SITE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.

WE ATTENDED A SPIN TOWN HALL FORUM ON 1/26 WHERE THE SITE PLAN WAS DIFFERENT AND RESUBMISSION HAS OCCURRED SINCE THEN, WHERE EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVEWAY HAS BEEN INTRODUCED TO THE NORTH, WHERE WE WERE CONFIRMED, APOLOGIZE.

THROUGH MY NOTES HERE, WE WERE ASSURED BY A PATRICK HOGAN THAT THE SCREENING, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SCREENING, BOTH A SOLID SCREENING WITH SOME AMOUNT OF VEGETATION, TREES, SHRUBS, ET CETERA, WOULD EXIST ON THE NORTH END SIDE, OPENING AN ACCESS DRIVE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS YOUNG CHILDREN PLAYING EMERGENCY ACCESS OR OTHERWISE IS UNWISE.

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS IS WARRANTED TO BUILDINGS OF THIS SIZE, BUT I DO QUESTION SOME OF THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY'RE ALSO SEEKING.

BUILDINGS OF THIS CALIBER AND SIZE WILL HAVE THE LIKELIHOOD OF A TENANT THAT WILL REQUIRE A LOT MORE THAN DAYTIME USAGE IF THEY'RE SEEKING THIRTY SIX INCH OR THIRTY SIX FOOT INTERIOR SPACE.

THEY'RE VERY COST EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT TYPES OF TENANTS THAT ARE BEING SOUGHT AFTER.

YOU KNOW, THE TYPES OF TENANTS THAT WILL RUN 24/7 BY OPERATIONS.

AND I'M CONCERNED THAT BUILDINGS OF THIS CALIBER AND SIZE, THE TYPES OF EMERGENCY ACCESS THAT MAY BE REQUIRED AT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT, MULTIPLE ALARM FIRES THAT WOULD REQUIRE ACCESS FROM MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS SIMULTANEOUSLY.

ALSO, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TREE CONSERVATION PLANS, THE 20 PERCENT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DEFICIENT COMPARED TO THE CURRENT CITY COUNCIL REQUIREMENTS, ALL OF THE TREES THAT THEY ARE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO MAINTAIN ARE THOSE THAT ARE ON THE WESTERN EDGE, NOT THE NORTHERN EDGE.

THEY REALLY HAVE PUSHED THESE BUILDINGS UP AS CLOSE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE NORTH. I MYSELF WAS NOT NOTIFIED FOR THIS MEETING BECAUSE I'M NOT WITHIN THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE THERE.

WE'VE LIVED ON THAT STREET FOR OVER 10 YEARS AND WE HAVE ACTIVE CHILDREN THAT PLAY ON THAT STREET EVERY DAY. AND SO MY CONCERNS ARE MULTIFOLD.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL CONCERNS THAT I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT I LEARNED

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I EVEN HEARD THEM MENTION WALLS TODAY.

BUT HOW CAN YOU HAVE A WALL WHEN YOU CLEARLY HAVE AN ACCESS THAT'S BEING GRANTED FROM A STREET THAT IS CURRENTLY A CUL DE SAC? THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND MAYBE BEFORE I CALL THE NEXT PERSON, MAYBE I'LL LET CITY STAFF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYBE COMMENT ON THE EMERGENCY ONLY ACCESS DRIVEWAY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHY THAT'S ON SITE PLAN AND KIND OF MAYBE ANY SITUATION THAT IT MAY BE USED UNDER.

CERTAINLY, THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MADE TO THE APPLICANT DURING THEIR REVIEW WITH OUR STAFF, OUR FIRE SERVICES, GIVEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SINGLE POINT OF ENTRY IN THIS LOCATION, SHOULD THERE BE SOME TYPE OF EMERGENCY HAVING AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S CLARIFICATION OF THE TWO ROADS HERE, TIMBERLINE AND WOODSEY, THE RIGHT OF WAYS FOR THOSE ROADS DO EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO THE TO THE NORTH BOUNDARY OF THIS PROPERTY.

THE FIRE MARSHAL SUGGESTED THAT IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, THEY PROVIDE THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS ONLY, IT WOULD NOT BE UTILIZED FOR ANY DAY TO DAY TRAFFIC JUST SIMPLY THROUGH AN EMERGENCY.

THERE ARE WAYS IN WHICH THIS CAN BE CONSTRUCTED SUCH THAT IT HAS VERY LOW VISUAL IMPACT, BUT IS CAPABLE OF FULLY SUPPORTING EMERGENCY VEHICLES THAT WOULD NEED NEED TO UTILIZE IT.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, WITH THE WHATEVER SCREENING FENCE IS PUT IN HERE, THE GATING COULD BE DONE OR ACCOMPLISH SUCH THAT IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES, BUT WOULD STILL PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THE FULL BARRIER SCREENING AND OPAQUE SCREENING.

WE WOULD, OF COURSE, WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER IN DOING ACHIEVING THAT IN THEIR DESIGN.

OK, NO, THANK YOU, DENNIS AND SARA, JUST TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY STAFF'S ON HAND, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HIM ABOUT THAT, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK THEM.

AND I SAY TO THE APPLICANT, WHY DON'T GO AHEAD AND ADD THAT TO YOUR LIST OF ITEMS IN TERMS OF JUST, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS, IN TERMS OF HOW IT LOOKS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST ESTHETICS AND MAKING SURE IT LOOKS APPEALING AND STAFF CAN KIND OF HELP IN TERMS OF THE EMERGENCY ONLY SITUATION THAT WOULD EVER BE UTILIZED.

AND JUST SO THE APPLICANT KNOWS ALL THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED THEY'RE ONLINE.

SO ANYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT IN TERMS OF KIND OF NOTES, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO LOOK AT IT BACK ONLINE AGAIN.

YOU'LL HAVE ALL THIS DIALOG.

SO YOU DON'T FORGET ANY OF THE ITEMS WE'VE HIT ON.

I'M SORRY. CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION FOR DENNIS, REAL FAST? JUST TO CLARIFY, DO YOU AGREE THAT PROBABLY ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES ON THIS TRACT OF LAND, THE FIRE IS PROBABLY GOING TO WANT TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS JUST BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING ACCESS TODAY? BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, YES.

OH, BEFORE I CALL THE NEXT ONE.

THANK YOU, SIR, FOR KEEPING YOUR THREE MINUTES.

I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS PART, MS. [INAUDIBLE] OVER THERE HAS THE LITTLE LIGHTS THERE.

SO IF YOU SAW SOME GREEN, YELLOW, RED, THAT'S, I THINK IT'S GREEN FOR TWO MINUTES, YELLOW FOR THE THIRD MINUTE, AND IT STARTS FLASHING RED WHEN IT'S OVER.

BUT THANK YOU, SIR, FOR STAYING THREE MINUTES AND BEING CONSIDERED OF THAT.

NEXT RESIDENT COME FORWARD, I BELIEVE IS CAMILLE [INAUDIBLE]--I'M SURE I PROBABLY SAID THAT TERRIBLY, APOLOGIZE--WHO IS AT 1255, I BELIEVE, WOODSEY CT.

AND WANTS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

HI THERE, YES. CAMILLE [INAUDIBLE] AND I LIVE AT TWELVE THIRTY FIVE WOODSEY COURT.

I'M ACTUALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY LINE THERE, THE SECOND HOUSE ON WOODSEY COURT ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THEY'RE LOOKING FROM THIS DIRECTION AND I VOICED A LOT OF THE SAME OPINION, THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE IN OPPOSITION OF IT, REALLY CONCERN ABOUT HOW CLOSE IT IS TO OUR STREET AND TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE BEING ABOUT 80 FEET FROM THAT.

WE WERE EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE POLLUTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET FROM, YOU KNOW, HAVING FOUR HUNDRED SIXTY PARKING SPACES.

IT'S A LOT OF MOVEMENT NOT COUNTING ALL THE TRAFFIC FROM THE SEMIS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S A BIG CONCERN.

THE FUMES ARE GOING TO BE COMING FROM THOSE DIESEL TRUCKS.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF YOU CAN'T DEFINE THE WORKING HOURS, THEN IT'S REALLY CONCERNING.

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NOW, I REPRESENT SOME OF THEM THAT COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT.

SO I SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF AS WELL.

BUT, YEAH, THOSE ARE THE MAIN CONCERNS, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, THE WAY THAT WOODSEY IS ACTUALLY SET ON THE ELEVATION, IT GOES UPHILL FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

SO THE TREES WOULD HAVE TO BE OVER FORTY FEET TALL.

SO WE CAN'T ACTUALLY SEE THE PROPERTY.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY MATURE AND LARGE.

SO THOSE ARE ALL THE CONCERNS AND JUST REALLY LOOKS LIKE IT FILLS UP THE WHOLE PROPERTY.

AND THE CONCERN WE HAVE IS WOODSEY IS CURRENTLY IN [INAUDIBLE] I THINK WILL BE SHORTLY IN THE REDEVELOPMENT PHASE.

AND THIS IS GOING TO BASICALLY SCARE AWAY ANY POTENTIAL OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT TO REDEVELOP AND HELP STRENGTHEN OUR STREET BECAUSE IT IS IN NEED OF THAT.

SO THOSE ARE ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY TRAFFIC GOING TO OUR STREET.

OUR STREET IS NOT DESIGNED FOR HEAVY LOAD.

IT'S CRUMBLING AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

AND IT WAS REDONE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.

SO, A SEMI TRUCK WOULD PROBABLY DESTROY THAT IN ONE PASS.

SO THOSE ARE ALL MY CONCERNS.

OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR FOR COMING OUT.

NEXT RESIDENT IS--[INAUDIBLE] WE'VE GOT IT NOTED FOR THE RECORD SIR, YOUR FORM'S FILLED OUT HERE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU SAW THAT.

AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE THREE OTHER GENTLEMEN THAT FILLED OUT CARDS, ALBEIT I THINK ONE OF THEM IS MAYBE GOING TO COME SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF.

IT'S A STEPHEN [INAUDIBLE].

RALPH [INAUDIBLE].

I'M SURE I'M MESSING ALL THESE UP.

MIKE MCCANN FROM ONE WILLIAMS CENTER, I BELIEVE IN OKLAHOMA.

SO AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD FEEL MIND, I MEAN, JUST TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY ELSE, IF THERE'S A WAY YOU CAN KIND OF KEEP IT TO THREE MINUTES AS WELL.

WE'D APPRECIATE IF THERE'S ANY MATERIALS IN OPPOSITION YOU WANT TO SUBMIT.

YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY INCORPORATE THAT, PUT THAT IN THE NOTES.

BUT JUST TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY ELSE, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. MY NAME IS MIKE MCCANN, ONE WILLIAMS, TULSA, OKLAHOMA.

I REPRESENT MAGELLAN AND WE HAVE THE TERMINAL JUST NEXT.

I ASKED THEM TO PUT A PART OF MY LETTER UP ON THIS DISPLAY OVER HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN.

IT'S ON--.

YEAH. OK, PERFECT.

THANK YOU. SO THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE FOUR PRIMARY ISSUES.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE SIDEWALKS.

IF YOU LOOKED AT THEIR SITE PLAN, THEY'RE SHOWING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT 450 OR FOUR HUNDRED AND SIXTY CARS.

LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A POTENTIAL FOR FIFTY BAYS OR FIFTY PARKING SPOTS FOR TRUCKS OR TRAILERS, AN ADDITIONAL HUNDRED BAYS.

YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL.

BUT THE RAILROAD TRACKS RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN ONLY STACK THREE TRUCKS RIGHT THERE BEFORE IT BLOCKS AND THE LIGHT ONLY LASTS FOR ABOUT ONE AND A HALF TRUCKS TO GO THROUGH.

AND SO IF WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY EVENT, OUR PROPERTY'S RIGHT THERE IN THE GREEN.

IF WE HAD AN EMERGENCY EVENT, WE SUPPLY DIESEL AND GASOLINE FOR THIS AREA.

THAT'S WHAT THE TERMINALS ARE FOR.

NUSTAR, WHICH IS THE GENTLEMEN WHO'LL BE TALKING, THEY'RE DOWN THERE BY THE PUBLIC STORAGE. AND WE'LL FLIP OVER THAT MAP AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT REAL QUICKLY.

BUT, WE HAVE THE TERMINAL DRIVE, SO IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY EVENT, WE'D HAVE EMERGENCY VEHICLES ALL IN THERE EFFECTIVELY BLOCKING WHATEVER IS IN THAT WAREHOUSE IF THEY DON'T HAVE AN EXIT RAMP GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THE SECOND THING IS, IS THAT WE KNOW THAT WITH 500 PEOPLE THAT THERE WOULD BE THE POTENTIAL FOR PEDESTRIANS.

WE WOULD CERTAINLY NOT WANT TO CREATE A SAFETY ISSUE.

SO WE WOULD WANT THEM TO HAVE A SIDEWALK ALONG THERE.

AND YOU'VE GOT THE SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET.

AND SO WITH THAT PEAK TIME OF 500 VEHICLES COMING, WE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM IF THEY HAD IF IT WAS COMPLETELY FULL AT FIVE O'CLOCK OR EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, WE'D HAVE A PROBLEM HAVING THAT DRIVE CONGESTED FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WOULD OPPOSE THE STACKING DEPTH VARIANCE THAT THEY HAD REQUESTED.

AND SOME OF THESE THINGS WERE BROUGHT UP BY MR. PATTON. I THINK HE BROUGHT UP THE POINT THAT THEY HAD PLANS TO CONNECT THE PRIVATE DRIVE WITH A FUTURE SIDEWALK, BUT THEN THEY'VE ASKED FOR THAT VARIANCE.

AND THEN AS FAR AS A PEAK TIME TRAFFIC, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MR. PATTON SAID IS REGARDING PARKING, YOU'RE LOOKING 446 AND WE WANT TO INCREASE THE OFFICE USE PERCENTAGE AND BALANCE OF SPACE BECAUSE THEY'RE SPEC BUILDINGS.

WE WANT TO LEAVE FLEXIBILITY.

AND THEN THE LAST VARIANCE REQUEST AS FAR AS THE SINGLE POINT OF INGRESS, EGRESS, MR. PATTON POINTED OUT THAT GOING BACK TO THAT, SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE, HAVING A SINGLE

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AND IF WE COULD FLIP OVER THAT PIECE OF PAPER RIGHT THERE, I'LL JUST KIND OF POINT OUT, AND THAT'S CITY COUNCIL MEMBER CHAD PATTON, JUST TO MAKE SURE, NOTING IT FOR THE RECORD.

YES, SIR.

SO WHAT WE WOULD REQUEST, WE COULD PROBABLY WE UNDERSTAND WE DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WAY OF DEVELOPMENT. NOT SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT USE FOR IT, BUT WE'RE NOT IN THE WAY.

BUT IT APPEARS THAT THE I WENT AND DID THE RESEARCH, THE SAME OWNER, THEY'VE GOT DIFFERENT ENTITIES, BUT IT'S ALL CONTROLLED BY THE SAME PEOPLE.

THEY OWN THE PROPERTY RIGHT AND NORTH OF SOUTHLAKE.

IF THEY COULD GET SOME OF THAT OFFLOAD TRAFFIC TO GO TO BRUMLOW SO THAT THEY COULD GET DOWN TO TWENTY SIX, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY TAKE OFF A LOT OF CONGESTION, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC COMING INTO THIS OTHER INTERSECTION.

NOW, I KNOW THAT COULD CREATE A PROBLEM COMING BACK INTO THE CITY ITSELF, AND I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT. BUT AS FAR AS JUST BEING FROM A SAFETY AND SECURITY PERSPECTIVE, WE JUST THINK THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE.

THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND APPRECIATE THAT SUGGESTION.

HOWEVER, IF YOU THINK THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS OUT TONIGHT, WAIT TILL SOMETHING LIKE THAT GETS PRESENTED. SO APPRECIATE THE SUGGESTION.

WE STILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S OPEN.

AND EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T SUBMIT A CARD OR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW.

YES, SIR, PLEASE, PLEASE, COME ON UP.

MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE] AND I REPRESENT NUSTAR ENERGY, WHO OWNS THE OTHER FIELD PLACE.

WE'RE AT SEVENTEEN HUNDRED.

WE CALL IT MUSTANG COURT, BUT IT MAY BE SOUTH-WESTERN TO SOME PEOPLE IN SOUTHLAKE SEVEN, SIX OR NINE TO. AND I AGREE WITH HIM THAT THIS IS A STICKING POINT THERE.

PROBABLY THREE YEARS AGO, 2017, AT THE BEHEST OF THE [INAUDIBLE], WE SPENT OVER SEVERAL MILLION, OVER FIVE MILLION DOLLARS TO TRY TO GET TRUCK TRAFFIC TO BE SPREAD OUT, TO GO TO DIFFERENT PLACES, NOT TO HAVE THAT STACKING DEAL THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO WE'VE ALREADY MADE A BIG INVESTMENT TO DO THAT.

AND SO THIS IS GOING TO PROBABLY JUST ABOUT WASTE OURS AND THEN FORCE US TO HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET OUR TRUCKS IN AND OUT OF OUR PROPERTY, MAYBE TO BRUMLOW ROAD SOMEWHERE. AND WE'VE EVEN LOOKED AT THAT PROBLEM WITH COMING OFF OF HIGHWAY TWENTY SIX TO GO TO BRUMLOW ROAD IS THE RIGHT HAND TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, SO I AGREE WITH THEM THAT IF YOU HAD A EXIT IN THE ENTRANCE THAT WENT TO HIGHWAY TWENTY SIX TO BRUMLOW ROAD, YOU WOULD HAVE PROBABLY THE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC COME IN ON BRUMLOW AND EXIT THAT WAY AND ANYTHING COMING FROM THE NORTH, SOUTH TOWARDS COLLEYVILLE WOULD COME IN THIS WAY.

SO THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC FLOW A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS.

AND OF COURSE BRUMLOW WOULD HAVE TO BE EXTENDED JUST A LITTLE WAYS BECAUSE IT'S THREE LANE AND RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF OUR PROPERTIES WHERE IT WHERE IT GOES TO FROM THREE LANES TO TWO LANES. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE EXTENDED UP, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYTHING.

BUT OUR PROBLEM IS, IS LIKE HE SAID, WE'RE PROBABLY TWENTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE METROPLEX FIELD COMES IN AND OUT OF THAT.

AND SO IT'S A STRATEGIC DEAL FOR NOT ONLY SOUTHLAKE AREA, BUT ALSO FOR THE WHOLE CITY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THERE.

AND IT MIGHT CAUSE US TO HAVE TO DO OTHER THINGS AS WELL TO GET OUR TRUCKS IN AND OUT, BECAUSE IF THERE'S A LINE, OUR TRUCKS, PEOPLE WON'T WAIT IN LINE, YOU KNOW.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, IS.

SOMEBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO TALK TO THE DOT PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY LOVE TO STOP TRUCKS AND THEY JUST STOP THEM ALL UP IN THERE AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S FUEL TRUCKS OR WHATEVER TRUCKS, THEY STOP TRUCKS.

AND SO IT CAUSES A LOT OF PROBLEMS AS WELL.

SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP DOT PEOPLE FROM FROM STOPPING TRUCK TRAFFIC, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN OR NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. SO THANK YOU.

OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO COME UP BEFORE WE CLOSE IT UP.

THANK YOU, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

THANK YOU, STEPHEN [INAUDIBLE]. SUPERVISOR FOR MAGELLAN OPERATIONS AT TWENTY ONE HUNDRED MUSTANG COURT IN SOUTHLAKE.

I'LL BE QUICK. I JUST WANTED TO ECHO THE LAST TWO COMMENTS AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON THE TRUCK TRAFFIC.

MAGELLAN'S SPECIFICALLY.

WE HAVE THAT ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT FOR OUR FACILITY AND WE RUN ANYWHERE FROM 60 TO 70 TRUCKS A DAY THROUGH THAT MUSTANG COURT, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE RECENT RAILROAD ADDITIONS THERE, THAT STOPPING POINT FOR THAT LIGHT EXITING MUSTANG COURT HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK CONSIDERABLY, WHICH IS IT'S BEEN TOUGH TO GET TRUCKS OUT OF MUSTANG COURT AS IT IS.

AND I KNOW THAT NUSTAR FACILITIES, I THINK THEY RUN ROUGHLY TWICE AS MANY TRUCKS THROUGH THAT AREA AS WE DO PER DAY, JUST LIKE TO PROVIDE THAT PIECE OF INFORMATION.

THANK YOU. OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ONE LAST CALL FOR ANYONE ELSE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, BEFORE I CLOSE THE HEARING GOING ONCE, TWICE, I'LL GO AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

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BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF OUR CLASSIC CASES HERE WHERE THERE'S NOT A PERFECT, ELEGANT SOLUTION OUT THERE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MESSY AND MORE MESSY BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHAT MAYBE SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING OWNERS ARE SAYING ABOUT ACCESS TO THE WEST.

HOWEVER, THAT INTRODUCES KIND OF ANOTHER SET OF ISSUES RELATIVE TO THAT TRAFFIC, INEVITABLY FINDING A WAY TO GO NORTH INTO THE CITY, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING.

THE RESIDENTS ARE DESIRABLE EITHER.

SO BUT BUT APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT.

MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THE APPLICANT CAN AT LEAST INVESTIGATE IF EVEN POSSIBLE.

HOWEVER, I HAVE A FEELING, EVEN IF IT IS, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE STRUGGLED WITH. YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'LL GO INVITE THE APPLICANT BACK OR MAYBE I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU GO AND COME BACK, COME UP AND I'LL KIND OF OPEN THIS UP.

I GUESS I'LL MAKE A COMMENT AND THEN SEE WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS THINK.

I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF LAID OUT THE CONCERNS, SO WE WANT TO REHASH THAT AGAIN.

I THINK YOU HEARD, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF THOSE ECHOED BY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS, INCLUDING ADDING TO IT JUST, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMMENTS ON THE EMERGENCY ACCESS GATE.

I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM UP HERE, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT GRANTING A VARIANCE ON THE HEIGHT WILL PROBABLY BE A CHALLENGE.

SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL GET THERE ON.

THE STACKING DEPTH IS A CONCERN.

YOU KNOW, DOES IT HAVE TO BE ONE FIFTY? YOU KNOW, I THINK I GUESS WE'RE OPEN TO MAYBE CONSIDERING OPTIONS, BUT ZERO IS PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER EITHER, YOU KNOW, BUFFERING ON THE NORTH SIDE, CONSIDERATION POTENTIALLY OF THE SIDEWALKS, WHICH I THINK WAS ONE OF THE VARIANCES REQUESTED, MAYBE DEMONSTRATING THAT.

AND OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ISN'T A VARIANCE REQUEST RELATED TO HEIGHT, THIS CAN BECOME MORE OF A SITE PLAN CASE.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DECIDE IF YOU WANT VARIANCES PRESENTED WITH THAT OR NOT, ALBEIT, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO LIVE UP TO THE EXISTING ZONING BECAUSE I MEAN, I GUESS FOR ME, THIS IS THE USE FOR THE PROPERTY, I MEAN, PER OUR LAND USE PLAN.

BUT IT'S AGAIN, IT'S HOW WHICH I THINK IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FOCUS ON TONIGHT, THE BEST WAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

SO I GUESS ANYTHING ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD ADD TO THAT, THAT FEEDBACK, OK, AND SO , AS FAR AS PATH FORWARD, YOU KNOW, YOU PRESENTED THIS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONTINUE ON AND GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON IT, WE CAN YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY HAVE HEARD SOME OF THE SENTIMENT IN TERMS OF HOW THAT VOTE WOULD GO AS PRESENTED.

YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPTION TO REQUEST A TABLING, IF YOU LIKE, TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THIS, WHICH WOULD BE NOT ONLY ADDRESSING OUR COMMENTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO THE RESIDENTS COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MEET WITH THEM AGAIN, BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR CONCERNS AND SEE HOW YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT.

AND THEN YOU CAN GET BACK ON OUR AGENDA, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REQUEST A TABLING, AND LIKE DIRECTOR BAKER SAID, OUR NEXT MEETING IS ACTUALLY BEGINNING OF APRIL.

SO IT WOULD GIVE YOU PLENTY OF TIME TO KIND OF RECALIBRATE AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS SO THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS TONIGHT.

AND YOU GUYS CAN TELL US WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO.

SURE, AND FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE WHO MADE THEIR COMMENTS AND WE DEFINITELY TAKE THOSE INTO ACCOUNT. WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND WE WANT TO BE [INAUDIBLE] DEVELOPMENT AND BE A GOOD PART OF THE FUTURE OF SOUTHLAKE.

WE'LL TAKE ALL THESE IN AND TAKE THEM TO HEART AND DO WHAT WE CAN TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THESE CONCERNS. I THINK SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS LIKE MOVING THAT SOUTH DRIVE OVER TO THE WEST. I THINK THAT CAN DEFINITELY BE POSSIBLE.

I THINK THAT WILL ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THOSE.

THE STACKING.

I WOULD ASK THAT AT LEAST THE FUNCTIONAL STACKING BE ALLOWED TO COUNT TOWARDS THAT 150 OR JUST BASED ON THE WAY THAT RIGHT OF WAY LINE COMES INTO THE SITE.

FUNCTIONALLY, A TRUCK COULD STILL STACK IN THAT EXISTING DRIVE.

AS FAR AS THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY, THAT WAS A REQUEST BY THE CITY, AS MENTIONED, WE DO PROPOSE A GATE UP HERE AND THERE'S A FEW ITEMS THAT WE CAN ADD IN THERE THAT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE VISIBILITY CONCERNS.

AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S HARD TO SEE ON A SITE PLAN, BUT WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO PUT AS MUCH LANDSCAPE SCREENING AS WE CAN UP THERE.

[01:25:04]

I KNOW I TALKED TO RICHARD S.

THIS MORNING ABOUT THAT WESTERN EASEMENT FOR THE CITY.

WE'LL LOOK INTO THE FEASIBILITY OF EXTENDING ALL THE WAY OUT TO BRUMLOW.

BUT I KNOW EVEN RICHARD MENTIONED THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT CONCERN OF TRUCK TRAFFIC GOING ALL THE WAY UP THERE AS WELL.

SO NOT TO MENTION THE EXPENSE AND A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, CROSSING THE CREEK AND THERE'S A WHOLE MESS OF ISSUES THAT MAY COME WITH THAT, BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

BUT I THINK AFTER CONFERRING, I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE'LL PROBABLY MOVE TO TABLE SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL COME UP WITH A SITE PLAN THAT FITS THE PROPERTY.

OK, AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS, AS DIRECTOR BAKER NOTED, WE CAN TABLE YOU TO OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING, WHICH IS APRIL 8TH.

AND IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT DOESN'T WORK, YOU CAN TALK TO CITY STAFF AND THEY CAN PUT YOU ON A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.

AND AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S A GOOD USE OF EVERYBODY'S TIME, YOU KNOW, THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED SO YOU CAN GET A FLAVOR FOR ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS NOTED, I DEFINITELY WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS AGAIN, TRY TO INCORPORATE THEIR FEEDBACK. AND WHEN YOU BRING SOMETHING BACK, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THERE'S OPTION A, OPTION B, SOMETHING THAT CAN HELP US BE MORE ACTIONABLE WHEN WE GET TOGETHER. IF THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT SOMETHING, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO ALLEVIATE IT.

SO WITH THAT, I GUESS, APPRECIATE IT AGAIN, EVERYBODY COMING OUT THIS EVENING.

APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S TIME HERE.

IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I'LL PROBABLY MOVE TO OUR VICE CHAIRMAN FOR A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. CHAIRMAN. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA, ZA TWO ONE DASH ZERO ZERO ZERO SEVEN TO THE APRIL 8TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

DO W HAVE A SECOND? OK, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.

UH, PASSES 7-0.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT TONIGHT.

WITH THAT, I'M ABOUT TO GAVEL OUT OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

AND EVERYBODY, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO STICK AROUND FOR AN EXCITING SIDE BOARD MEETING IS WELCOME TO. SO THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.