Aug 05, 2021 Planning and Zoning Commission

ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE OUR PLANNING AND ZONING

[1. Call to Order.]

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IF YOU WEREN'T HERE EARLIER, WE HAD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE HAD A WORK SESSION, AND NOW WE'RE CONVENING THE REGULAR SESSION OF BOTH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND OUR SIGN BOARD MEETING, WHICH WILL BE LATER IF YOU MISSED IT EARLIER.

I'M DAN KUBIAK CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMISSION.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

WE WILL GO THROUGH A FEW HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS HERE MOMENTARILY RELATIVE TO SOME APPOINTMENTS, COMMENTS, CONSENT AGENDA.

THEN WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

AND REAL QUICK, I WANT TO STATE RIGHT OUT THE SHOOT.

I SAID THIS EARLIER FOR REGULAR AGENDA IN TERMS OF THE ORDERING.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ITEM 17 UP FIRST, WHICH IS A PLAT REVISION REQUEST RELATED TO GATEWAY CHURCH, WHICH SHOULD BE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ITEM NUMBER 10, WHICH IS THE CENTRAL MARKET CASE, THEN ITEM NUMBER 15, WHICH IS THE RIDGECREST CASE, AND THEN ITEM 18, WHICH IS THE FERGUSON PLACE CASE. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE REGULAR ORDER OF THE AGENDA JUST IN AN EFFORT WE KIND OF OUR FIRST MEETING BACK FROM SUMMER ADJOURNMENT.

SO WE'VE GOT 18 ITEMS ON OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA.

WE'VE GOT ANOTHER FIVE OR SIX ON OUR SIGN BOARD AGENDA.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND BE AS METHODICAL AS WE CAN AND EFFICIENT, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL BE HERE FOR A WHILE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO WORK TOWARDS BEING AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET INTO OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION AND APPOINTMENT OF THE CHAIRMAN, THE

[3. Consider: Appointment of the Chairman of Planning and Zoning Commission.]

SO I GUESS I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THAT ITEM, WHICH IS I THINK IS ITEM 2B. NO, NO, I'M SORRY.

ITEM NUMBER THREE. ITEM NUMBER THREE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT DAN KUBIAK AS CHAIRMAN.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OK, LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE.

AND MOTION, GONNA GO TO THE BULLPEN HERE, AND I DON'T THINK I CAN STRETCH THAT THAT FAR.

SO WOULD YOU MIND MOVING [INAUDIBLE].

HANG TIGHT WITH US HERE FOR A SECOND FOLKS, IT'S GOOD WE FIGURE THIS OUT RIGHT NOW.

SO THIS WILL ALLOW US TO PICK UP THE PACE LATER.

LET'S TRY AND VOTE AGAIN, I GUESS, IF YOU COULD, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PRESS THE BUTTONS ALL OVER AGAIN IF YOU CAN.

COMMISSIONER SPRINGER, OK.

I BELIEVE, YES. WE'VE GOT A FIVE ZERO VOTE.

THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. HOPEFULLY THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING WE DO TONIGHT.

WE'LL SEE. OK, ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON OUR AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF AN

[4. Consider: Appointment of the Vice Chairman of Planning and Zoning Commission.]

DO I HAVE ANY MOTIONS ON THAT ITEM? MR. CHAIRMAN, I NOMINATE MICHAEL FORMAN AS THE CO-CHAIR.

OK, WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OK, GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.

MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION THERE.

I DON'T HAVE, I GUESS, ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS THIS EVENING, DIRECTOR.

OK, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY CHAIRMAN COMMENTS AT THIS TIME BEYOND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON

[6. Chairman Comments.]

MAYBE JUST IN GENERAL, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, FOR EACH OF THESE CASES, CITY STAFF WILL PRESENT FOR THE CASE.

WE'LL ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT.

WE'LL ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS.

THEN WE'LL HAVE A A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH YOU CAN COME UP AND COMMENT ON THAT ITEM.

WE ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION OF YOUR OTHER NEIGHBORS.

YOU TRY TO KEEP IT TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.

WE HAVE A LITTLE LIGHT OVER THERE AND ALSO KIND OF HELPS US CONTINUE TO MOVE ON THIS EVENING. AND I'D SAY, IN GENERAL, YOUR COMMENTS, THE ONES THAT ARE ABOUT THE APPLICATION WE'RE SPECIFICALLY HEARING IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT, ARE THE MOST HELPFUL TO US IN TERMS OF COMMENTS. AND THEN I'D ASK THAT YOU DIRECT THOSE COMMENTS TO US AND NOT ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.

KIND OF CONDUCTING OURSELVES WITH DECORUM HERE.

WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS OUR APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES FROM OUR JUNE 3RD MEETING, ITEM EIGHT,

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ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS BEFORE I ENTERTAIN A MOTION? OK, I THINK WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AGAIN, NOTING THE INCLUSION OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JUNE 3RD, 2021, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE JOINT CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JUNE 29TH, 2021 AND TABLING A RESOLUTION NUMBER 21-030 .

A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR RESIDENTIAL SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM UNTIL THE AUGUST 19TH P&Z MEETING. OK WE HAVE A GOOD MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OK, MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

AND NOW WE'RE ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

AND AS NOTED BEFORE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE ITEM NUMBER SEVENTEEN ON OUR AGENDA REAL

[17. Consider: ZA21-0051, Plat Revision for Lots 1R1 and 1R2, Block 1, Gateway Church -114 Campus]

YOU KNOW, DENNIS, I DON'T KNOW IN TERMS OF THE PRESENTATION, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT MAYBE ANY COMMENTS YOU HAVE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED A FORMAL PRESENTATION ON IT, GIVEN WE HEARD ABOUT IT IN OUR WORK SESSION AND IT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

I'D SAY THIS PLAT REVISION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS ON THIS CASE FROM CITY COUNCIL, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? ITEMS WE SHOULD KNOW OR FOCUS ON HERE OR? ONLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

OK, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? OK, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, DENNIS. NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE APPLICANT UP.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING FOR THIS ITEM.

PLEASE COME ON UP.

MAYBE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I'M [INAUDIBLE] I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT AND WE'RE OUR OFFICE IS LOCATED IN 3000 [INAUDIBLE] BOULEVARD, FRISCO.

OK, I DON'T KNOW.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? SO I THINK I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOOD.

I THINK IT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS APPROVALS.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER SEVENTEEN ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

AND I THINK THE APPLICANT IS THE ONE WHO FILLED OUT THE THE GREEN COMMENT CARD, WHICH YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO COME DOWN AND COMMENT IF YOU DID FILL THIS ONE OUT, MA'AM, IS THAT CORRECT? OK, THANK YOU. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT NOTED FOR THE RECORD.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM THIS EVENING? OK, I SEE NOBODY, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT ITEM.

AND I GUESS UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER DELIBERATION, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

EVERYBODY GOOD. OK, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVENTEEN, CASE NUMBER ZA21-0051 SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED JULY 30, 2021 AND THE PLAT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER ONE DATED JULY 27TH, 2021.

WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE SECOND? SECOND. OK, LET'S GO HEAD AND VOTE PLEASE.

AND MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL, WITH THAT.

AS NOTED EARLIER, WE'RE GOING TO JUMP BACK HERE AND GO TO ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA

[10. Consider: ZA21-0017, Site Plan for Central Market Generators]

I'M HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE LINK, SO I'LL HAVE TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE ITEM.

AS STATED THIS IS A REQUEST TO ADD THREE BACKUP GENERATORS TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING CENTRAL MARKET BUILDING ADDRESS IS 1425 EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THE PROPOSAL WOULD ALSO INCLUDE A 15 FOOT SCREEN WALL ADJACENT TO THAT STRUCTURE.

THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS PROPERTY IS TOWN SQUARE OR TOWN CENTER, EXCUSE ME, AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS SP2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT.

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CIRCLED IN YELLOW.

AND A EXHIBIT OF THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE GENERATORS.

THIS IS A RENDERING OF GENERATORS AND THE SURROUNDING SCREEN WALL.

AND ANOTHER RENDERED VIEW.

THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE EXISTING REAR OF THE BUILDING AND SIDE BY SIDE PLAN VIEW AND ELEVATION OF THE WALL.

WITH THAT I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, DENNIS. I GUESS JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK ONES FOR ME, I GUESS.

ARE THERE ANY VARIANCES REQUESTED RELATED TO THIS SITE PLAN? NO MAKE SURE I CATCH ANY OF THOSE.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, I THINK YOU CAN'T REMEMBER YOU STATED.

BUT I GUESS THIS WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. YES.

OK. AND I GUESS IN TERMS OF CONFIRMING THAT IT'S COMPLIANT WITH THAT, I GUESS, IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE THE CITY CAN TEST LIKE BEFORE A FINAL PERMIT IS PULLED OR APPROVED? I GUESS THE CITY CAN ACTUALLY CONFIRM THAT WHAT THE APPLICANTS ARE SAYING IN TERMS OF NOISE IS AT OR BELOW OUR THRESHOLD? YES, SIR. WE CERTAINLY COULD AND WOULD DO THAT.

OK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF, NO, OK, NO, THANK YOU DENNIS.

THANK YOU. I'LL NOW INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME DOWN AND PLEASE YOU DON'T MIND, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. FOR THE RECORD.

I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY RUN THROUGH IT PRETTY WELL.

JOHN ROSE. FORTY ONE THIRTY FIVE CALCULOUS DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

HOW ARE YOU? HOW Y'ALL TONIGHT? FINE, THANK YOU. AS AS STATED, WE WOULD WE'RE ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO PUT ADD GENERATORS TO OUR EXISTING STORE.

THAT'S IN PART BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE OUR CLIENTS WHENEVER THERE'S A BROWNOUT, A BLACKOUT, ROLLING BLACKOUTS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY. AND I'VE GOT NOTES BECAUSE I FORGET STUFF EASILY AND GET A LITTLE NERVOUS WHEN I GET UP HERE. SO Y'ALL BEAR WITH ME, PLEASE, BY BEING ABLE TO GO INTO OUR GENERATORS, WE WILL BASICALLY ALLOW THIRTY ADDITIONAL HOMES TO NOT HAVE TO GO INTO A ROLLING BLACKOUT.

OUR GENERATORS, WE DON'T CONTROL THOSE GENERATORS.

THOSE GENERATORS ARE CONTROLLED BASED ON DEMANDS FROM THE POWER GRID THAT'S DICTATED BY ERCOT. SO WE I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW OFTEN THEY'LL KICK ON OR FOR HOW LONG THEY'LL KICK ON, BECAUSE IF YOU TELL ME HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO BE ONE HUNDRED DEGREES HERE, WE PROBABLY COULD GET AROUND TO FIGURING SOMETHING LIKE THAT OUT, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

AND SO WE ASKED YOU TO HELP US OUT WITH THAT.

FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU WHAT OUR THINKING IS THERE.

THESE ARE NATURAL GAS FIRED GENERATORS, MUCH THE SAME AS WHAT ONCOR WOULD USE IN TERMS OF GENERATING ELECTRICITY TO START WITH, NO DIESEL, WHICH DIESEL IS A MUCH LOUDER PRODUCT.

AND IT'S IT'S ALSO MUCH CLEANER, OBVIOUSLY.

SO WHEN THE SPIN MEETING, WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

AND THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR OUR NEIGHBORS? IF WE DID NOT PUT UP A SCREENING WALL, WE'D BE LOOKING AT ABOUT SIXTY ONE TO SIXTY TWO DECIBELS AT THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT'S 148 FEET AWAY FROM US.

WITH THE SCREEN WALL WE DROPPED TO ABOUT 10 PERCENT BELOW THE NIGHTTIME REQUIREMENTS OR FIFTY [INAUDIBLE].

JUST PUT IN PERSPECTIVE BEFORE Y'ALL START STARTED THE MEETING.

I TOOK OUT A [INAUDIBLE] AND I JUST CHECKED WHAT THE WHAT THE NOISE LEVEL WAS.

THE NOISE WAS ABOVE 50 DB JUST BEFORE WE STARTED.

AND IF I TOOK IT OUT OF MY POCKET RIGHT NOW, I'M SURE THAT WE'D BE, WELL IN THE SIXTY OR SEVENTY RANGE. SO IT'S IT'S BELOW NORMAL CONVERSATION AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

THEN YOU COMPOUND THAT BY WHEN WE GET TO THE RESIDENT'S HOME, IT DROPS AGAIN APPRECIABLY

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ONE OF THE REASONS WE DO THIS IS BECAUSE DURING SNOWVID OR SNOWMAGEDDON OR WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO CALL IT, WE HAD ALL OF OUR STORES WERE ABLE TO OPEN ALL OF OUR CENTRAL MARKET STORES. WERE ABLE TO OPEN IN THE METROPLEX EXCEPT FOR TO OUR STORE AT PRESTON ROYAL WAS NOT ABLE TO OPEN BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSED BECAUSE OF THE TORNADO, THE 2019 TORNADO AND SOUTHLAKE WAS NOT ABLE TO OPEN.

AND WE WERE CLOSED FOR FIVE DAYS BECAUSE OF THAT.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SERVE IN ANY SITUATION.

AND AND TO DO THAT, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO KICK ON AND RUN COMPLETELY SEPARATELY. FINALLY, LET ME JUST HAVE ONE LAST THING.

WE WE CURRENTLY HAVE A GENERATOR SITTING AT OUR STORE IN AT MIDWAY NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

IT DOES NOT HAVE A SCREENING WALL.

IT IS 50 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE INSTEAD OF HAVING AN EFFECTIVELY AN ELEVEN FOOT RETAINING WALL, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A GRADE DIFFERENCE.

AND IT'S EVEN IF IT'S A 14 FOOT SCREEN WALL, BUT IT'S THREE FEET BELOW.

SO IT'S EFFECTIVELY ELEVEN FOOT WALL.

THE WALL HAD AT OUR STORE IN MIDWAY NORTHWEST HIGHWAY IS SIX FEET TALL.

IT'S THE GENERATOR IS FIFTY FEET FROM THAT WALL.

AND OUR NEIGHBORS, THE LOTS ARE EVEN SMALLER THERE THAN THEY ARE HERE.

WE'VE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT FOR THAT GENERATOR AT THAT STORE.

AND WE HAVE HAD COMPLAINTS THAT STORE PEOPLE COMING OUT AND BEEPING THEIR THEIR CAR DOOR LOCKS. THEY HEAR THAT.

BUT THE GENERATOR HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE.

SO WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL HERE AND WE'RE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I HAVE MY ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER ON STANDBY.

IF Y'ALL WANT TO INQUIRE, INQUIRE WITH HIM.

I CAN I CAN GET HIM ON THE PHONE.

JUST REAL SHORT ORDER IF THAT HELPS Y'ALL.

OK, THANK YOU.

I CAN OPEN IT UP TO MY COMMISSIONER'S HERE, I GUESS, TO MAYBE START WITH SOME QUESTIONS.

I'VE GOT A FEW, BUT I'LL BUT LET THE OTHERS KIND OF JUMP IN FIRST.

SO THESE GENERATORS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE EXERCISED WHETHER OR ERCOT CALLS FOR THEM OR WHATEVER. SO DO YOU HAVE A TIME FRAME THAT YOU WILL BE DOING THAT? WE DON'T. WE DON'T CONTROL THOSE GENERATORS AT ALL.

THERE'S NOT A MAGIC SWITCH AND WE GO IN AND THROW THAT TERM ON, IT'S REAL.

IT'S CONTROLLED OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL.

RUN? IT COMPLETELY RUNS WITH REMOTELY FROM A SEPARATE COMPANY THAT CONTROLS IT.

OK. I FIND THAT HARD TO BELIEVE. BUT.

IS IT IS IT I GUESS, IS IT TRIGGERED WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING AMISS ON THE GRID? IS THAT.

SO IF THE GRID IS BEING STRAINED, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE US OFFLINE AND AND LEAVE THAT POWER FOR THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORS.

AND THEN THE GENERATOR KICKS ON.

SO THEORETICALLY, IT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE A, YOU KNOW, JULY, AUGUST SUMMERTIME TYPE EVENT OR IF WE [INAUDIBLE] FEBRUARY EVENT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

OK. OK, WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

I KNOW A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

OBVIOUSLY, THE NOISE CONSIDERATION.

WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE NOISE THAT YOU PROJECT WITH THOSE GENERATORS, ARE YOU LOOKING AS WELL AT ANY OTHER MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THAT IS BACK THERE? AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT AN AGGREGATE NOISE LEVEL FOR ANY EQUIPMENT IN THAT AREA? IT IT WE DON'T BELIEVE IT DOES.

WE CERTAINLY CAN ADD AT OUR ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER TO THIS CONVERSATION.

HE'S ON STANDBY ON A ZOOM CALL, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO.

I DON'T THINK WE SPECIFICALLY STUDIED THAT.

BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT IS WHAT THAT IMPACT WOULD BE.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE'D SEE THAT HAPPENING.

WE'VE WE'VE SEVERAL TIMES HAVE TAKEN DOSIMETERS OUT THERE TO CHECK NOISE LEVELS AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND WHERE WE STAY PRETTY WELL CLOSE BELOW THE NORMAL NOISE LEVEL.

WE HAVE OUR OUR UNIT DIRECTOR HERE WITH US.

AND HE CAN HE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, IF YOU LIKE.

OK, AND PERHAPS WE COULD, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WHEN YOU LOOKED AT TRYING TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE LEVELS, DID YOU LOOK AT ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS? I DON'T KNOW IF THE WALL MATERIALS THAT ARE USED ARE A CONSIDERATION THAT WOULD BE MORE ABSORBING OR IF YOU LOOKED AT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARRIVED AT THREE GENERATORS AS THE REQUIREMENT AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE ONLY TWO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

DID YOU EXAMINE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS TO TRY AND ADDRESS THE NOISE CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED AT SPIN AND THAT WE'VE SEEN? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME LET ME STRESS ONE THING THAT THIS IS THESE NOISE LEVELS ARE AT ALL GENERATORS RUNNING AT 100 PERCENT, WHICH NEVER HAPPENS.

AND THE NOISE LEVEL DROPS APPRECIABLY WHEN YOU DON'T RUN AT 100 PERCENT.

BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE'RE RUNNING ALL THREE AT 100 PERCENT. SO, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE GIVING YOU THE ABSOLUTE WORST CASE SCENARIO. SECONDLY, TO GO TO YOUR QUESTION OF WHETHER WE COULD LIVE WITH LESS.

THE ANSWER IS NO. WE'RE TRYING TO RUN THE ENTIRE STORE SO WE CAN OPERATE THE ENTIRE

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UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S LARGE STORE, A LOT OF REFRIGERATION, AND IT TAKES A PRETTY BIG LOAD TO RUN THAT. THANK YOU.

MAYBE JUST BUILDING ON THE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION, I GUESS, FOR STAFF, I GUESS, ASSUMING THAT MAYBE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S NOISE FROM THESE UNITS, PLUS THERE'S NOISE FROM SOMETHING ELSE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE JUST TAKE A MEASUREMENT PER ORDINANCE.

AND IF IT'S ABOVE THAT, IT'S THEIR PROBLEM TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT COME BACK DOWN AND WHAT THEY WANT TO TURN OFF OR ON OR WHATEVER.

BUT IT'S JUST IT'S ONE NOISE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S. THAT IS CORRECT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO ISOLATE THE SOURCE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A READING AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND WHETHER IT'S AND ENSURE IT'S BELOW THE THRESHOLD, IT'S NOT.

THEN IT'S YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.

OK, SO THEY'VE GOT TO FIX IT.

OK. ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, I GUESS, AND I THOUGHT I SAW THIS IN MAYBE THE SPIN MEETING NOTES, BUT I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM AT LEAST KIND OF ON THE RECORD.

AND THESE OF THESE MEETINGS ARE FILMED AND TAPED AND BROADCAST LIVE.

SO IT'S ALL FOR THE RECORD, I GUESS, YOUR INTENTION HERE OR YOU WILL NOT BE KIND OF GENERATING POWER TO SELL BACK TO THE GRID.

THIS IS TO PROVIDE POWER TO YOUR BUILDING, YOUR STORE ONLY.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED, I GUESS I MEAN, I THINK I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT IMPRESSION, I GUESS, WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS STORE IN FEBRUARY, I GUESS DID IT LOSE POWER WE LOST ANY PRODUCT THAT WAS REFRIGERATED HAD TO BE THROWN OUT AND AND WE WEREN'T ABLE OPEN BECAUSE OF IT. OK, OK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? FOR NOW? I HAVE JUST A QUESTION, I GUESS TO CLARIFY.

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT HOW IF YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE GENERATORS, HOW DO YOU CONTROL WHETHER IT'S HELPING GENERATE THE STORE OR WHETHER THAT POWER IS GOING TO GENERATE SOME RESIDENCES ELSEWHERE? BASICALLY, THERE'S A CUT OFF THAT BASICALLY CUTS OFF OUR POWER FROM THE GRID AND CUTS ONTO THE ONTO THE GENERATORS.

SO IT'S EITHER IS OR ISN'T.

IT DOESN'T GENERATE TOGETHER, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU.

SO IF IT'S RUNNING THAT THAT CUT OFF SWITCH IS CUT OFF AND WE'RE NO LONGER ON THE GRID.

OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR NOW? I MEAN, WE CAN ALWAYS INVITE THEM BACK UP HERE IN A FEW MINUTES IF NEEDED, SO.

OK. THANK YOU. YOU BET.

WE MIGHT HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.

SO ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

RECEIVED THREE COMMENT CARDS FROM THE GALLERY THAT WILL BE NOTED FOR THE RECORD.

I'LL JUST START READING THEM OFF.

I GUESS MAYBE ONE BY ONE, JUST AND THEY COME UP AND I GUESS AND SPEAK.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS ONE SAYS.

FIRST ONE'S THOMAS DRAKE, 1212 WESTMONT DRIVE.

PLEASE COME ON UP. AND I GUESS I ALREADY STATED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SO I THINK YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK THERE.

GOOD EVENING. THOMAS DRAKE, 1212 WESTMONT DRIVE.

I WASN'T ABLE TO HEAR ALL OF HIS RESPONSES BECAUSE OF THE DIRECTION HE WAS SPEAKING, BUT AT ONE OF THE SPIN MEETINGS, THE MEMBER FROM CENTRAL MARKET SAID THEY WOULD PROVIDE US WITH THE MANUFACTURER, MAKE AND MODEL OF THE GENERATOR THAT HADN'T BEEN DONE.

IN MATTER OF FACT, IT'S NOT EVEN NOTED ON THE ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER'S REPORT.

CAN WE GET THAT AS WELL AS THE MATERIAL THAT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR THE SCREEN WALL AND HOW HIGH IT IS ABOVE THE GENERATOR AND ABOVE THE EXHAUST? THOSE THINGS ARE CRITICAL.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE.

ACTUALLY, WHEN MR. KELLER WAS READING, HE SAID BACKUP GENERATORS.

WHEN THE APPLICANT WAS READING, HE SAID GENERATORS.

THOSE TWO THINGS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

A STANDBY GENERATORS IS ONE THAT MONITORS THE GRID.

WHEN THE ELECTRIC POWER GOES OUT, IT COMES ON, POWERS THE FACILITY UNTIL THE GRID POWER COMES BACK ON, THEN IT SHUTS OFF.

IF THAT'S WHAT CENTRAL MARKET WANTED, I'D SAY FINE, PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA.

MAYBE I OUGHT TO DO THE SAME THING.

BUT THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR A GENERATOR THAT CAN RUN AT OTHER TIMES.

THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS SOUND LIKE IT'S A GOOD BENEFIT TO US THAT IT'S GOING TO POWER THIRTY HOMES OR SOMETHING.

IT'S NOT OK.

IT DOESN'T CONNECT TO THE HOMES.

IT JUST CONNECTS TO THE GRID.

AND THEIR FACILITY COMPARED TO THE TOTAL GRID IS LESS THAN A DROP IN THE BUCKET.

THEY'RE JUST DOING THAT TO TRY TO GET APPROVAL FOR THIS, TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR, TO APPROVE IT.

NOW, DO I THINK THEY WOULD DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT? LET ME GIVE YOU TWO EXAMPLES THAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

IF YOU REMEMBER HOW THE BANDS ON THEIR PATIO WAS SOLD TO THE CITY, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU WERE HERE THEN.

THEY DESCRIBED IT AS JUST SOME LIGHT CLASSICAL MUSIC.

THEY DESCRIBED IT AS BURGERS AND BACH.

ONCE THEY GOT APPROVAL FOR IT, THEN THEY SAID, THAT'S IT, WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANTED.

THEY DIDN'T SPECIFY CLASSICAL MUSIC.

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THE FACT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO RAISE THE ROAD BY FIVE FEET.

AND WHEN I CALLED HIM, HE ADMITTED THAT MADE ALL OF HIS ANALYSIS TOTALLY WRONG.

SO UNLESS WE CAN GET THE MAKE AND MODEL OF THE SERIAL NUMBER OF THE GENERATOR TO SEE IF THEY GAVE HIM THE RIGHT THINGS, THE ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER'S NUMBERS ARE QUESTIONABLE BECAUSE THEY TOLD US THAT THAT WOULD DO AN 18 WHEELER.

IT DIDN'T. THIS THING ABOUT WHEN IT CAN RUN AT OTHER TIMES.

I'VE CHECKED THE WEBSITES OF [INAUDIBLE], WHICH ARE THREE MAJOR MAKERS OF COMMERCIAL GENERATORS, NONE OF THEM MENTIONED THAT EITHER GENERATORS OR THEIR GENERATOR CONTROL UNITS HAVE A CAPABILITY TO DECIDE ANYTHING OTHER THAN IS THEIR GRID POWER OR IS THERE NOT GRID POWER. SO OUR CONCERN IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RUN THIS THING A LOT.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN WHEN THEY DECIDE THEY CAN GENERATE ELECTRICITY CHEAPER WITH NATURAL GAS THAN THEY CAN BUY IT FROM THE GRID, THEY MIGHT SAY, WELL, THE GRIDS IN DURESS, IT'S UNDER STRESS. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RUN IT.

AND SIR IF YOU DON'T MIND WRAPPING UP, I GUESS, THE THREE MINUTE LIGHT.

EXCUSE ME? I SAID THREE MINUTE LIGHTS GOING OFF.

YOU DON'T MIND TRYING TO WRAP UP YOUR.

OK, I WILL. THANK YOU.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'LL WRAP IT UP RIGHT NOW.

IF ALL THEY WANT IS A BACKUP GENERATOR THAT WORKS WITH THE POWER GOES OUT, EXCEPT FOR SAYING WHEN THEY CAN TEST IT, WHEN THEY CANNOT, I'M FINE WITH IT.

IF THEY WANT TO RUN IT. AT OTHER TIMES, OUR HISTORY WITH CENTRAL MARKET SHOWS IT'S GOING TO BE BAD FOR US. THE QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU VOTE FOR THIS IF IT WAS BEHIND YOUR HOME? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

NEXT SPEAKER IS JOHN CLEMENTS, 304 LAKESIDE COURT.

I BELIEVE.

HE'S NOT HERE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT WANTS TO RECORD HIS OPPOSITION.

SO DULY NOTED. NEXT SPEAKER IS JANE CRAVENS.

HOPEFULLY I SAID THAT RIGHT.

304 LAKESIDE COURT.

THERE WE GO. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. I'M JANE CRAVENS 304 LAKESIDE COURT IN SOUTHLAKE.

I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR GENERATORS FOR CENTRAL MARKET BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE THE LOSS THEY SUFFERED IN FEBRUARY.

I KNOW I SUFFERED SOME BECAUSE WE WERE OUT OF ELECTRICITY FOR THREE AND A HALF OR FOUR DAYS, AND SO I LOST SOME FOOD.

DURING THE DAYTIME.

OUR NOISE LEVELS ARE HIGH WITH THE TRUCKS.

THE FORKLIFTS, EMPLOYEES, TRAFFIC THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE BACK THERE.

IT'S PRETTY NOISY AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WITH THE GENERATORS HOW NOISY IT WOULD BE.

NOW, THE STUDY THAT I READ ABOUT THE STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE OTHER NOISE. IT WAS PRIMARILY JUST THE GENERATORS AND THAT FELL WITHIN THE GUIDELINES. BUT COMBINED, IT'S GOING TO BE REAL NOISY.

SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I REPLACED MY WINDOWS ON THE BACK, NOT THE FRONT, BUT ON THE BACK TO TRY TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM.

I STILL HEAR IT INSIDE THE HOUSE.

NOW, IF THEY WANT TO STAND BY, LIKE MR. DRAKE SAID, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THAT.

IF THEY WANT TO GET A NOTICE LIKE, OH, THE GRID SUFFERING, CONSERVE ENERGY AND THEN THEY TAKE OFF AND TURN ON THE GENERATORS.

I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN JUST TURN DOWN THEIR AIR CONDITIONING OR TURN UP AND THEIR FANS AND SO FORTH AND CONSERVE.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO TURN THOSE GENERATORS ON WHEN THEY STILL HAVE POWER.

ELECTRIC, ELECTRIC POWER.

AND WE KNOW THAT NATURAL GAS IS CHEAPER THAN ELECTRIC ELECTRICITY.

SO WHO KNOWS IF THEY'RE GOING TO SELL IT OR NOT.

I WONDER IF THERE AREN'T WHISPER UNITS OUT THERE THAT WOULD BE QUIETER.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK THEY OUGHT TO CHECK INTO IT.

AND THEY DID NOT LOOK AT ANY OTHER WAY TO VENT THIS NOISE OTHER THAN TO THE WEST.

AND IF THEY'RE SO DARN QUIET, WHY DON'T THEY VENT TOWARD THE STORE ON THE NORTH? THE NEIGHBORS WOULDN'T HAVE AS MUCH ISSUE AT THAT THAT WOULD JUST BE FACING THEIR PLAYGROUND. AND IF IT'S 100 DEGREES OR 15 DEGREES, I DON'T IMAGINE TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE PLAYGROUND, LITTLE KIDS PLAYING.

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I'M ALL FOR THE STANDBY ONLY BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT.

IF THIS PROPOSAL IS APPROVED, STANDBY ONLY COUNTING ON THE POLICE TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT LIKE THEY DO ENFORCE THE DRIVEWAY.

AND LORD ONLY KNOWS I'VE HAD TO CALL THE POLICE NON-EMERGENCY NUMEROUS TIMES, PROBABLY 50 OR 75 DURING MY TIME.

AND I'VE BEEN HERE 24 YEARS.

THE POLICE ARE REAL GOOD ABOUT RUNNING OUT EARLY BIRD DRIVERS THAT WANT TO GET THERE FIRST, BUT WE NEED SOME SORT OF ENFORCEMENT ALSO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.

ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REMAIN.

THE PUBLIC HEARING DOES REMAIN OPEN.

IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

SEEING NO ONE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING REAL QUICK JUST TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY STAFF WITH RESPECT TO NOISE AND THE, I GUESS, LIVE MUSIC.

I GUESS A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, I'M ASSUMING THAT RESIDENTS, IF THAT IF THAT'S AN ISSUE, CAN SIMILAR TO ANY OTHER NOISE BACK THERE, THEY CAN REACH OUT TO THE CITY TO HAVE THEM.

I THINK IT'S LIKE THURSDAY OR FRIDAY NIGHTS.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE THEY CAN MEASURE THE NOISE AND DO THE SAME EXERCISE.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND IS THERE ANY CONTEXT YOU CAN PROVIDE BEHIND THAT APPROVAL? BECAUSE I'LL ADMIT, I DON'T THINK I WAS HERE FOR THAT ONE.

RIGHT. ANY ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS.

IF IT'S AFTER HOURS, THE NON-EMERGENCY LINE, POLICE CAN ADDRESS THAT.

ALSO HAVE AN OPTION DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS, THE CONTACT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THEY WILL INVESTIGATE ALSO.

AND SO WE WOULD ASK IF FEEL THERE'S A NOISE COMPLAINT THAT THEY DIRECT THE CALLS TOWARD.

YEAH, THAT'S I GUESS ONE OF THOSE TWO PARTICULARLY GOOD AFTER HOURS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHEN THE ISSUE IS THAT'S GOOD.

AND THEN I'D LIKE TO CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP, IF YOU DON'T MIND, SIR.

AND I THINK YOU HEARD SOME OF THE QUESTIONS FROM THE RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF MAYBE IF YOU CAN COMMENT ON MAYBE JUST STARTING WITH THE WALL MATERIALS AND HEIGHT, IF YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE FOR THAT OR AN IDEA.

AND ACTUALLY IN OUR PRESENTATIONS.

YEAH, THAT'S OK. FIFTEEN FEET IS THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL.

THERE IS NO GRADE DIFFERENTIAL, SO IT WILL BE 15 FEET FROM THE STREET.

OK, WHICH IS UNDER THE CRITERIA THAT OUR ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER PRESENTED, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE THREE FEET ABOVE THE NOISE SOURCE, WHICH WE ARE IN THIS SCENARIO.

SO OUR INTENT IS TO BUILD A 15 FOOT.

AND IN THE MATERIAL WE'RE USING IS IF YOU'LL IF YOU REVIEW THE ACOUSTICAL STUDY, IT IS ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE IN TERMS OF ABATING OUR ATTENUATING NOISE, WHICH IS CMU BLOCK.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING USE ON ON THERE IS CMU BLOCK.

BASICALLY, NOISE IS VIBRATION.

MASS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ACTUALLY CAN DEAL WITH, NOISE YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO WOOD WALL BACK THERE BECAUSE IT WOULD REVERBERATE, OBVIOUSLY THOSE SAME TYPE OF THINGS.

AND AGAIN, YOU WOULD ASK A QUESTION ABOUT AN ADDITIVE NOISE.

YES. AND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF ADDITIVE NOISE.

IT ADDS MAYBE THREE DB IF IT BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A HIGHER SOURCE THAN THE ORIGINATING SOURCE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I HAVE A IF I HAVE A REFRIGERATION UNIT ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND I CHECK THIS ONE, WE WERE SITTING WITH MY ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER.

IF I HAVE A 30 DB REFRIGERATION UNIT ON THE BACK OF MY BUILDING AND I'VE GOT A I'M EMANATING A 50 DB FOR MY GENERATOR, IT'S STILL 50 DB, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A HIGHER SOURCE TO CAUSE THE PROBLEM. OK, MAYBE TO THE NOMENCLATURE QUESTION THE QUESTION ABOUT STANDBY OR BACKUP. WHAT WHAT IS THIS CATEGORIZED AS? I IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

WE ARE THE DEMAND IS WHEN THE GRID BECOMES STRESSED, WE DON'T MAKE THAT DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND SO AT IF EVERYBODY'S GOT THE AIR CONDITIONER ON ON A ON AN AUGUST DAY AND THE GRIDS STRESSED, THEN, YES, WE'RE GOING TO KICK ON.

AND IF IT'S A NICE, QUIET, SUNNY FALL DAY WHEN THERE'S NO REAL DEMAND, I DON'T THINK WE'D BE KICKING ON IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM.

WE DO NOT CONTROL WHEN THIS KICKS ON, IT'S A THIRD PARTY THAT DOES IT.

LOOKING ON AT THE MAN FROM ERCOT ANYTHING ELSE.

OK, AND SO WE DON'T CONTROL IT.

WE'RE IN THE GROCERY BUSINESS.

WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S DEDICATED TO OK, LET'S GO THROW THE SWITCH.

IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS.

I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ALSO THEY REFERENCE KIND OF THE MANUFACTURER MAKE AND MODEL.

I CAN GET I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION.

OK, SO YOU DON'T HAVE IT TONIGHT.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING. YEAH. YOU'LL GET THAT INFORMATION.

I GUESS. IT WOULD IF I PROVIDED TO THE CITY.

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WELL, YES. I MEAN, I'D SAY LET'S DO BOTH, BUT CERTAINLY I KNOW THE CITY CAN AS WELL.

SO, YES, WE CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.

OK, ANY OTHER DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? I HAVE A QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE ANY RECORD OF YOUR OTHER STORES THAT HAVE THESE GENERATORS, HOW FREQUENTLY THEY'VE KICKED ON OVER THE PERIOD OF A YEAR? I COULD TRY TO FIND OUT, BUT I DON'T WE DON'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO IT.

BE HONEST WITH YOU. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE WE MIGHT SEE A LITTLE FLICK IN THE LIGHTS WHEN THEY KICK IN, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT.

WE JUST DON'T SEE IT, AGAIN.

I WANT TO STRESS WE'RE IN THE GROCERY BUSINESS.

WE SELL GROCERIES. AND SO THIS IS JUST PART OF THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS THAT RUN THE STORES. AND IF YOU I WILL TELL YOU OUR TOP STORE LEADER'S HERE.

I'M GOING TO PICK ON HIM FOR A SECOND.

WOULD YOU COME UP HERE FOR JUST A SECOND? HE'S ACTUALLY BEEN ONE OF OUR STORES WHEN THEY KICK OVER AND HE CAN ANSWER THIS BETTER THAN I DO. I'M SORRY. SIR DO YOU MIND STATING NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

ROBERT [INAUDIBLE], 7412 SUMMERVIEW DRIVE.

OK, THANK YOU. AND HE'S ACTUALLY BEEN IN OUR STORES WHEN THEY KICK OVER, I'LL LET HIM COMMENT ON IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BECAUSE I'M I'M, I DON'T I'M NOT IN THE STORES THAT OFTEN. SO AT THE STORE AT MIDWAY AND NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, I WAS THERE WHEN WE OPENED THE STORE. THE STORE DOES HAVE ONE OF THESE UNITS AND WE WERE STANDING OUTSIDE NEXT TO IT AND WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT TURNED ON AND THE TEAM CAME OUT AND SAID THE POWER FLICKERED AND WE WERE ABLE TO GO OVER AND LOOK AND REALIZE THAT IT WAS RUNNING.

SO IT DOES NOT RUN.

IT ALLOWED A LOUD DECIBEL.

IT GOES ON VERY QUICKLY THAT THAT STORE WAS ABLE TO MAINTAIN POWER DURING THE ICE STORM IN FEBRUARY WHERE WE WERE NOT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF THAT UNIT, THAT UNIT KICKED ON WAS ABLE TO CONTINUE TO RUN.

AND WITH THE AMOUNT OF PRODUCT THAT WE DID LOSE DURING THAT TIME, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS FOR US.

BUT AS WELL, BEING ABLE TO BE THERE TO SUPPORT OUR CUSTOMERS DURING THAT TIME BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO SELL WATER TO ANYBODY THAT THEY NEEDED OR ANY OF THE OTHER GROCERIES THAT WE HAD DURING THE DAYTIME UNTIL WE HAD TO THROW THEM ALL AWAY.

SO NO, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I STILL AM A LITTLE CONFUSED, AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER SPRINGER ASK THE QUESTION AT THE BEGINNING ABOUT CONTROL, AND YOU'VE INDICATED THAT IT WILL ONLY COME ON WHEN THE GRID IS STRESSED, IT'S CONTROLLED BY A THIRD PARTY, NOT BY YOU.

WHAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP THAT CENTRAL MARKET HAS TO THAT THIRD PARTY? WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT WITH THEM ON TO OPERATE THESE.

WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

WE HAVE. ALL OF OUR STORES, OUR NEW STORES HAVE THIS SYSTEM ATTACHED TO THEM, WHETHER IT'S A HEB OR A CENTRAL MARKET, THEY ALL HAVE THEM ON THERE AND AND THEY HAVE AN OPERATING CONTRACT WITH US THAT THEY OPERATE THOSE DEVICES BASED ON DEMAND FROM ERCOT.

I GUESS I'M NOT NOT WELL VERSED ENOUGH IN WHAT ERCOT DOES OR DOES NOT, BUT I DON'T THINK I'M ALONE. HOW IS THAT DEFINED, THOUGH, IN THE CONTRACT? BECAUSE THE NOTION OF STAND BY VERSUS BACKUP VERSUS RUNNING FULL TIME.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COMBINE THAT WITH THE FACT THAT A THIRD PARTY IS CONTROLLING THIS, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING DEFINED CONTRACTUALLY IN THAT AGREEMENT OTHER THAN WHEN THE GRID IS STRESSED.

HOW IS THAT DEFINED THEN? AND HOW DO THEY MANAGE THAT? I'M JUST. I'M SURE IT IS IT'S IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THERE COMES A POINT WHERE ELECTRIC PROVIDERS RATCHET UP THE AMOUNT OF WHEN THEY NEED ADDITIONAL POWER, THEY START CHARGING EVERYBODY MORE.

THAT'S A COMMERCIAL USER.

THEY START CHARGING MORE WHEN THEY WHEN THOSE WHEN THEY START NEEDING MORE POWER.

AND SO THAT MAY BE ONE OF THE TRIGGERS THAT HAPPENS IS IT'S I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY THAT CONTRACT. I HAVEN'T READ THAT CONTRACT.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY'RE LOOKING AT IF THE GRID NEEDS ADDITIONAL POWER.

THIS IS A POWER SOURCE FOR THE GRID.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DELIBERATE NOW, I GUESS MAYBE JUST KICKING IT OFF . DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, SYMPATHETIC TO THE RESIDENTS' CONCERN.

I THINK ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN AROUND HERE FOR A WHILE CERTAINLY REMEMBERS THIS CASE WHEN IT ORIGINALLY CAME THROUGH HERE, WHEN IT GOT DEVELOPED.

YOU KNOW, I I COULDN'T GET COMFORTABLE WITH THIS UNLESS, YOU KNOW, I COULD GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT CITY STAFF IS GOING TO KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON OUR SOUND ORDINANCE AND THE FACT THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN PULL A PERMIT IF IT DOESN'T PRODUCE THE AMOUNT OF NOISE OR LESS THAT THEY'RE CLAIMING.

SO I GUESS IF IT PRODUCES MORE, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION.

THEY DON'T GET A PERMIT AND THEY HAVE TO REMOVE IT.

SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHAT GETS ME COMFORTABLE.

I GUESS IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT IT'S IN A LOT OF THEIR OTHER STORES, ALL THE OTHER ISSUES ARE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON THING.

IT SHOULD ONLY BE OPERATED WITH AN EMERGENCY.

AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I MEAN, THIS IS A SITE PLAN REQUEST WITHOUT ANY VARIANCES. AND I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THEIR ANXIETY ABOUT ERCOT.

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AND BECAUSE IF IT CAN'T REMEMBER 100 PERCENT AND WE CAN'T TEST IT, WE ALSO WOULD LIKE FOR THEIR ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER TO VERIFY IN THE FIELD THE NUMBERS TOO, WE WE HAVE HANDHELD MONITORS AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WINDS BLOWING OR ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS CAN RESULT IN SOME FLUCTUATIONS.

BUT WE'D ALSO ASK FOR VERIFICATIONS BY A PROFESSIONAL THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY SEAL THE TEST OR PROVE UP THAT THEY ARE OPERATING AT THE REQUIRED DB LEVELS.

OK, THANK YOU. I THINK I COULD GET BEHIND THIS AS WELL.

THEN WITH WITH KNOWING THAT INFORMATION, I JUST DON'T THINK THESE ARE GOING TO BE LOUDER THAN 18 WHEELERS AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY GOING ON BEHIND THE GROCERY STORE.

SO AS LONG AS IT'S BEING MONITORED BY THE CITY, I THINK I COULD GET BEHIND IT.

I DO THINK THAT MAYBE WHEN THEY GO TO CITY COUNCIL, IF THEY CAN GET SOME DATA FROM THEIR OTHER STORES AS TO HOW OFTEN THOSE GENERATORS HAVE KICKED ON OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, I THINK THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TO THEIR CASE.

YEAH. ONE THING MAYBE I'D CAVEAT MY COMMENTS WITH IT WOULD BE MOTION THAT WOULD INCLUDE LANGUAGE SUCH THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE THE MANUFACTURE, MAKE AND MODEL AND PROVIDE BETTER CLARITY ON THE DEFINITION OF STANDBY VERSUS BACKUP AS WELL.

SO I WOULD CAVEAT THAT AS WELL.

ANYBODY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? COMMISSIONER DYCHE, COMMISSIONER SPRINGER, COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER.

WELL, I MEAN, I WILL SAY THAT IT'S GOOD FOR THEM TO HAVE IT.

I THINK THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING THE FULL STORY ON THE ON THE GENERATORS.

I WORK AROUND A LOT OF GENERATORS AND EMERGENCY GENERATORS ON MEDICAL FACILITIES.

THEY HAVE TO BE EXERCISED ON A PERIODICAL BASIS.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE OIL CHANGED.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE FUEL FILTERS CHANGED, AIR FILTERS, EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND NOBODY IS JUST GOING TO HAVE THIS THING SITTING THERE FOR THREE MONTHS AND NOT CRANKING IT. IT IS LIKE NOT CRANKING YOUR CAR.

NOBODY IS GOING TO DEPEND ON RUNNING THEIR STORE.

AND THIS THING HADN'T BEEN RUN IN THREE MONTHS SO.

AND THEN AND THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD.

IT'S JUST I THINK THAT YOU'RE OUR SPOKESPERSON HERE IS EITHER ILL INFORMED OR JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T I'M NOT SURE WHERE HE'S GOING WITH THAT.

BUT I MEAN, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THE STORE NEEDS AND IT NEEDS.

ONE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM VERIFY FOR SURE IS THIS.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE JUST USED AS A LOAD SHED TYPE DEVICE BECAUSE DURING DEMAND PERIODS OF THE DAY, WHICH YOU GUYS ARE CERTAINLY UNDER, YOU'RE GOING TO BE YOUR YOU'RE USE PER KW IS GOING TO BE IS GOING TO BE REALLY EXPENSIVE.

SO IT'S REALLY NICE FOR ERCOT, WHOEVER THE PERSON IS, TO TAKE YOU GUYS OFF THE GRID.

AND IT ALSO I'M SURE YOU GUYS GET A DISCOUNT FOR BEING ABLE TO BE INTERRUPTIBLE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD BRING THAT TO THE COUNCIL MEETING AS WELL SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST MAKE SURE THAT LET ME THAT I'M JUST BE UP FRONT WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE. NOBODY NOBODY IS GOING TO BLAME YOU FOR TRYING TO WORK YOUR STORY ECONOMICALLY AND EFFECTIVELY.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M THE ONLY THING I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS.

AND I'M SURE THAT THE MAINTENANCE THAT WOULD BE DONE ON THESE WOULD PROBABLY BE DONE DURING THE DAY, DURING NORMAL HOURS WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT YOU AS MUCH ANYWAY. SO, YOU KNOW, BUT SOMEBODY KNOWS THAT SCHEDULE AND IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONERS DYCHE OR ROTHMEIER.

ANYBODY QUICK COMMENT.

NO. OK, OK.

WELL WITHIN THAT I GUESS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

IF IF ANYONE HAS ONE.

WE'LL TRY AND COVER THE KEY POINTS.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER ZA 21-0017.

THE SITE PLAN FOR THE CENTRAL MARKET GENERATORS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED JULY 30TH, 2021 AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEWS SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED JULY 29TH,2021 AND NOTING THE AGREEMENT FROM THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THE MAKE AND THE MANUFACTURER OF THE GENERATORS, AS WELL AS TO CLARIFY AND BETTER DEFINE THE DEFINITION OF STANDBY VERSUS BACKUP AND TO ALSO INCLUDE, AS YOU GO TO COUNCIL, THE DEFINITION OF EXACTLY HOW AND WHEN YOU WOULD EXERCISE THE GENERATORS TO ENSURE THAT IN THE EVENT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE GENERATOR KICK ON, IT, IN FACT WILL KICK ON AND ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.

OK, WELL, THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

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COMMISSIONER DYCHE.

PASSES 5-0.

GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

I THINK YOU'VE GOT YOUR LAUNDRY LIST OF ISSUES, AND I'D RECOMMEND YOU STAY IN TOUCH WITH THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS YOU FIND OUT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION OBVIOUSLY SUPPLY IT TO THE CITY, BUT TO THE EXTENT THEY ASK YOU, WE'D APPRECIATE YOU LETTING THEM KNOW AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU.

OK. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, IF YOU WERE HERE EARLIER, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO WE JUST HEARD ITEM NUMBER TEN.

WE'RE GOING TO SKIP UP TO ITEM NUMBER 15.

IS THAT RIGHT? DID I GET THE RIGHT ONE HERE? YES. ITEM NUMBER 15, THE RIDGECREST CASE.

AND THEN JUST AS A HEADS UP AFTER THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO, AFTER THAT ONE.

WE'LL DO ITEM NUMBER 18 AND THEN WE'LL HOP BACK TO THE REGULAR ORDER, THE AGENDA.

WE'RE TRYING TO YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LONG NIGHT HERE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO SOME OF THE CASES WHERE WE THINK MOST OF YOU ARE HERE FOR SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND KICK OFF ITEM NUMBER 15, WHICH IS ZONING CHANGE CONCEPT

[15. Consider: Ordinance No. 480-784, (ZA21-0048), Zoning Change and Concept Plan for Ridgecrest Property]

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN TO CHANGE ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL TO SF-1A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 2645 THROUGH 2745 RIDGECREST DRIVE.

THE PROPERTY IS SHOWN HERE ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.

AND THE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS AGRICULTURAL.

AND THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN CONSISTING OF NINE LOTS, SIX OF WHICH WOULD BE FRONT ON A CUL-DE-SAC CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION, AND THREE OF THE NORTHERN LOTS WOULD FRONT ON WHAT IS A PRIVATELY MAINTAINED DRIVEWAY THAT IS LOCATED IN A EASEMENT OR ROADWAY DEDICATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC'S USE.

THIS IS THE ALSO THE CONCEPT PLAN OVERLAID ON AN AERIAL MAP.

AND THE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN, THE PLAN IS CONFORMING WITH THE TREE CONSERVATION REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE DATA SUMMARY, THE NET DENSITY IS CONFORMING WITH THE LAND USE DESIGNATION REQUIREMENTS NOT TO EXCEED ONE DWELLING UNIT PER NET ACRE AT POINT 96 ACRES OR POINT NINE SIX DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

THERE ARE VARIANCES REQUESTED IN REGARDS TO THE THREE LOTS ON THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY THAT WOULD ABUT THE PRIVATE DRIVE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, A WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED. A PUBLIC STREET IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK.

AND FOR THOSE PARTICULAR LOTS THAT WOULD FRONT ON THE WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED TO REMAIN AS A PRIVATELY MAINTAINED DRIVE WOULD REQUEST HAVE NO SIDEWALK THERE AS WELL.

EXHIBIT OF THE DRAINAGE PLAN.

AND THE UTILITY PLAN, I'D NOTE THAT CURRENTLY THERE IS, I BELIEVE, A ONE AND A HALF INCH WATER LINE SERVING THE PROPERTIES THAT UTILIZE CITY WATER, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE THESE TWO HERE.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO EXTEND AN EIGHT INCH WATER LINE.

THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SITE WITH SOME CORRESPONDING VIEWS.

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AND TO DATE, WE'VE RECEIVED TWO FORMER FORMAL LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, THOSE SHOWN IN RED ON THE TRACK TO THE LOT TO THE NORTH AND LOT TO THE EAST.

ONE ADJOINING OWNER TO THE SOUTH IN FAVOR.

WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

OK. THANK YOU, DENNIS.

I GUESS A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS FOR ME.

SO THIS IS IT'S A ZONING CHANGE AND A CONCEPT PLAN.

IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN IS THE CITY'S OPINION? OK. YES SIR.

AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I'M ASSUMING, IS REVIEWED THIS.

AND ARE THEY COMFORTABLE WITH THE SITE PLAN OR THE LAYOUT TERMS? YES, SIR. OK.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE, LOT SEVEN FRONTS ON ON RIDGECREST, CORRECT? CORRECT. THE HOWEVER, THE CONFIGURATION IT DOES HAVE PHYSICAL FRONTAGE ON RIDGECREST, WHICH IS A PUBLIC ROAD AND PUBLICLY MAINTAINED.

HOWEVER, THE WAY THE LOT IS CONFIGURED, IT COULD FRONT ON EITHER OF THE TWO AS FAR AS WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE FRONT LOT BOUNDARY.

AND SO THE THE OPTION DOES EXIST THERE.

OK, WE ASK THE APPLICANT MORE ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN LASTLY, I GUESS YOU MENTIONED I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A THERE'S A VARIANCE IN HERE FOR NO SIDEWALKS.

CAN YOU JUST MAKE SURE YOU SHOW US EXACTLY WHERE THERE WILL NOT BE SIDEWALKS? JUST ALONG.

OK. SO RIDGECREST DRIVE.

RIDGECREST WILL CORRECT OR WON'T? THEY HAVE NOT INDICATED THAT THEY REQUEST A VARIANCE FOR RIDGECREST.

OK, SO THEREFORE AND ANOTHER ONE I GUESS WE CAN ASK.

I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

I GUESS AT A MINIMUM, WOULD IT BE CITY POSITION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AT LEAST AN EASEMENT ALONG THERE FOR ONE DAY IF, IF, IF, IF IT WAS NEEDED OR DESIRED, OR? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CAPTURING WHAT WE NEED TO HERE.

YES. YES, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.

OK, WELL, WE'LL TALK TO THE APPLICANT.

WE CAN CIRCLE BACK ON THAT ONE IF NEEDED.

OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FOR NOW.

EVERYBODY GOOD. OK, THANK YOU, DENNIS.

WE'LL GO AHEAD. INVITE THE APPLICANT UP HERE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AS ALWAYS.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M COS [INAUDIBLE] WITH HAT CREEK DEVELOPMENT 604 EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY GRAPEVINE, TEXAS. I GUESS I WOULD ASK, WE HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.

IF IT'S FROM CURTIS, WE KEEP A MAXIMUM SLIDE LIMIT ON THOSE OVER 50. ONLY GOT FIVE.

OK, THANK YOU.

IT'S ALMOST 10 AND A HALF ACRES, AND WE'RE WE'RE REQUESTING Y'ALL TO APPROVE NINE FULL ONE ACRE LOTS AND CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY IT'S UNZONED.

IT'S AGRICULTURAL.

WE'RE BORDERED BY RIDGECREST ON OUR WESTERN BOUNDARY AND PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED PRIVATE ROAD THAT CURRENTLY HAS FIVE POINTS OF ACCESS ON THAT EXISTS TODAY.

IT IS SERVED BY AN INCH AND A HALF WATER LINE THAT GOES BACK TO THESE TWO FOLKS, TO OUR NEIGHBORS, TO THE EAST, AS WE MET CITY STAFF AND WE MET THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

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ONE, THERE'S NO FIRE HYDRANTS UP THERE.

AND TWO, IT RENDERS THE ABILITY, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE ALREADY BUILT, THAT THOSE TWO HOMES CAN'T HAVE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS INSTALLED.

WE WERE ASKED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO INSTALL THE NEW IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A SIX INCH LINE. IT'S AN EIGHT INCH LINE.

AND THEN IN ADDITION, WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL TWO FIRE HYDRANTS ALONG THAT PRIVATE DRIVE AND WANT TO SAY PRIVATE DRIVE, I WILL.

I WILL HAVE YOU NOTE.

THERE TO THERE.

THERE'S 50 FEET OF PUBLICLY DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY AND EASEMENT THAT IS NOT ANYBODY'S ROAD, BUT THE PUBLIC.

NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THE KINGS YEARS AGO WHEN THEY PLATTED THEIR PROPERTY, THEY GAVE UP 25 FEET TO PROVIDE FOR THESE HOMES THAT WERE SUBSEQUENTLY BUILT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TOLD US, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC AND KIND OF IRONIC, WE'VE HAD TWO MAJOR STRUCTURAL FIRES HERE IN THE PAST MONTH.

THEY THEY HAVE A BRAND NEW THEY'VE USED THESE TYPE OF APPARATUS BEFORE.

THEY HAVE A BRAND NEW 40 FOOT FIGHTING FIREFIGHTING APPARATUS THAT HAS AN EXTENDED BOOM, HOOKS IN THE WATER.

AND IT ALLOWS A FIRE TO BE FOUGHT WITHOUT A WHOLE LOT OF HUMAN.

THERE'S THERE BE HUMANS THERE, BUT THEY CAN DO A LOT MORE FIGHT WITH IT, WITH THAT APPARATUS, THAT APPARATUS, WHEN THE OUTRIGGERS COME OUT, TAKES UP 20 FEET.

THEY CANNOT TAKE THAT AND USE THAT UP IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THE ROAD IS ONLY APPROXIMATELY 12, 13 FEET.

SO WHAT THEY AND US SPENT A LOT OF TIME DEVISING SOMETHING IS WE'RE FIXING TO BUILD SOME PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL HOMES.

THEY WILL ALL WE HAVE AGREED THAT THEY'LL ALL BE AUTOMATICALLY REQUIRED WITH THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS, OK? HOWEVER, WE ALSO WANT TO GIVE THE SOUTHLAKE FIRE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO FIGHT A BIG STRUCTURE FIRE. SO WHAT WE AGREED IS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, WE CALL IT A FIRE TRUCK PARKING.

WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL A CONCRETE AREA THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE TRUCK TO THE FIREFIGHTING APPARATUS, LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THE TRUCK TO PULL IN THEIR PARK.

AND THEN THIS FIRE HYDRANT.

THIS ONE RIGHT HERE HAS BEEN STRATEGICALLY PLACED.

ONE, IT GIVES THEM TO FIGHT FIRES ON THESE TWO HOMES AND IT ALSO ALLOWS THIS APPARATUS.

WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT APPARATUS PULLS UP TO TAKE A SHORT HOSE THAT HOOK IT IN AND THAT TRUCK BECOMES WEAPONIZED WITH A LARGE STREAM OF WATER THAT CAN SHOOT A LENGTHY DEAL AND CAN EXTEND TO THESE HOMES AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY OURS IF NECESSARY.

THIS IS OUR PLAN. AS SAID, WE'RE ASKING FOR NINE LOTS, EVERY LOT THAT WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL ON EXCEEDS THE CITY'S FORTY THREE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND SIXTY SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM FOR ONE ACRE LOT.

AND WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S LOW DENSITY LAND USE PLAN.

OUR AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS FORTY FIVE THOUSAND SEVEN EIGHTY FIVE.

NET DENSITY AT POINT NINE EIGHT ACRES, WHICH, AGAIN, IT EXCEEDS THE COMPLIANCE NECESSARY OF THE ONE LOT PER ACRE REQUIREMENT TO AS A.

TO FULFILL THE LOW DENSITY LAND USE.

WANTED TO TAKE WE TOOK AND TOOK A FEW PICTURES A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND I MAKE NOTE UP HERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RED, NUMBER ONE TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE TOOK THE PICTURE THAT WE WERE ACROSS THE STREET IN OAK POINT NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKING EAST AND IT IS A.

VERY BEAUTIFUL, WHAT I WOULD CALL A COUNTRY LANE AND YOU AND THE OTHER THING THAT CAME ABOUT AND MEETING WITH STAFF AND THE FIRE PEOPLE, YOU WILL NOTE THIS THIS ROAD HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED. WHOEVER'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT HAS NOT MAINTAINED IT.

WE HAVE AGREED TO COME IN, REPAIR ALL THE ROAD ROADWAYS.

WE HAVE AGREED TO PUT IN BRAND NEW ASPHALT ON THIS ROAD.

AND THEN IN ADDITION, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S REALLY NOBODY CHARGED WITH MAINTAINING

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WE ARE GOING TO PLACE THE MAINTENANCE, WHICH SHOULDN'T BE SUBSTANTIAL.

IT'S NOT MUCH TRAFFIC ON IT.

THIS IS YEARS AND YEARS OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.

THE HOA FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MAINTAINING THIS CURRENT LITTLE COUNTRY LANE. THAT PICTURES TAKEN RIGHT THERE WHERE TWO IS.

THIS PICTURES TAKEN AT OUR FAR EASTERN END, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF YOU'LL SEE THIS LITTLE ORANGE STATE THAT IS THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF OUR PROPERTY IN THE BACKGROUND, AGAIN, VERY BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY ALL AROUND THERE.

AND I WOULD SAY THIS, WHEN WE HAD THE SPIN MEETING, WE HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ASK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY AREN'T YOU IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU'RE NOT PUTTING A WALL AROUND IT.

WE LOOK AT THIS RIDGECREST AREA IS A NEIGHBORHOOD UNTO ITSELF.

WE REALLY JUST WANT TO BLEND IN.

WE WANT TO BE A ONE ACRE LOT.

WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON PUTTING A BIG WALL OUT FRONT.

WE'RE NOT PUTTING GATES.

WE REALLY WANT TO BLEND INTO THE NATURAL ORGANIC BEAUTY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE WAY THAT IT DOES RIGHT NOW.

WE ADDED THIS SLIDE BECAUSE IT JUST HAPPENED TO WORK OUT.

THIS IS AN AREA AS DEPICTED UP HERE WHERE THERE'S NO TREES.

SO IT ACTUALLY GAVE US A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO INSTALL THIS 50 FOOT OF FIRE TRUCK PARKING AND NOT TAKE DOWN ANY LEGACY GREAT OAKS THAT EXIST THERE.

WE DID THIS JUST TO SHOW THE BEND IN THE ROAD SHOW THAT THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TREES AND I GUESS HERE WE DO THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF OF THE PUBLICATION OF THIS CASE THAT'S BEEN OUT, THAT SIGN HAS BEEN THERE FOR OVER 30 DAYS.

YOU ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT SIDEWALLS, COMMISSIONER KUBIAK, THIS IS OUR CORNER RIGHT HERE LOOKING SOUTH, AND I WILL TELL YOU WE WILL INSTALL THE SIDEWALKS IF THAT BECOMES A REQUIREMENT OF THIS.

I WILL TELL YOU, IF YOU GO FROM DOVE ROAD ALL THE WAY TO WHERE RIDGECREST SPLITS AND GOES TO DOVE PARK, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS IN THIS WHOLE AREA EXCEPT IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE STREET, I'LL SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE.

WHEN WE DID OAK POINT, WE DID INSTALL A SIDEWALK THAT WOULD GIVE THE ABILITY TO BE DONE, WE'RE WE'RE EITHER WAY, THEY'LL BE A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE, IT'LL GO TO NOWHERE HERE AND IT'LL GO TO NOWHERE HERE.

BUT IF THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR US TO DO IT, WE WILL DO IT.

AND YOU ASKED ABOUT THE EASEMENT, THE EASEMENTS ALREADY PROVIDED ON OUR SITE PLAN.

NEXT PICTURE IS OUR SOUTHERN BOUNDARY LOOKING NORTH.

THIS OUR NEIGHBORS FENCE HERE.

AND SIMILARLY, I WOULD SAY WHEN THE PURPOSE OF THE PICTURE HE HAS WROUGHT IRON FENCE, CURRENTLY OUR PROPOSITION, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY WOOD FENCES.

ALL OUR FENCES WILL BE A STANDARDIZED WROUGHT IRON FENCE THAT ALL NINE NEIGHBORS DO.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TURN OUR BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT WE WOULD TRY TO BE OPEN.

AGAIN, THERE'S OUR PRESENTATION, NINE ONE ACRE LOTS.

JUST AS IN THE SOUTH, IT'S PROBABLY OBVIOUS THESE WILL BE CUSTOM HOMES.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT SELLING THIS TO A LARGE PRODUCTION BUILDER OF ANY SORT.

THESE WILL BE VERY HIGH END CUSTOM HOMES BUILT ON THIS.

I HAVE ALL THE ATTACHMENTS THAT DENNIS SHOWED, OUR TREE PRESERVATION AND ALL THAT.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.

WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION OF OUR CASE AND I WOULD STAND BY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE IT.

THANK YOU. AND I JUST I GUESS I HAVE ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WANT TO I GUESS YOU COVERED A FEW OF THEM ALREADY.

SO APPRECIATE YOU COVERING WHO'S GOING TO COVER THE COSTS OF MAINTAINING THE PRIVATE STREET. GLAD THAT THE EASEMENT IS IN THERE ALONG RIDGECREST.

THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I WANTED.

I MEAN, I THINK WITH ME, I DEFER TO IF THE NEIGHBORS WANT A SIDEWALK THERE OR NOT, AT LEAST WE HAVE THE EASEMENT THERE TO THE EXTENT IT'S EVER WANTED TODAY OR TOMORROW OR DOWN THE ROAD, WE'VE GOT THE EASEMENT.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM IN ALL OF THESE NORTH SIDE NEIGHBORHOODS.

A LOT OF TIMES WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT.

THAT'S HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT FIRE SUPPRESSION REQUIRED WITHIN THAT.

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I WAS VERY HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE COVENANT BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO SEE A BUNCH OF BIG MASONRY WALLS ALONG RIDGECREST.

JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS.

LOTS ONE AND SIX, I GUESS.

ARE YOU CONFIRMING THEIR DRIVEWAYS WILL WILL BE INTERIOR? THEY'RE NOT ALONG RIDGECREST.

SO LET ME TELL YOU WHAT A LOT ONE AND SIX WILL BE WILL BE ADDRESSED ON THIS AS RIGHT NOW UNNAMED CUL-DE-SAC.

AND WE WILL RESTRICT THAT THERE WILL BE NO DRIVEWAY ACCESS ONTO RIDGECREST ON ONE AND SIX. PERFECT. SO THAT'LL JUST HAVE THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE AND ASSUMING SOME KIND OF REASONABLE SET BACK OFF THE ROAD.

ABSOLUTELY. NOW, I WILL SAY THIS.

BECAUSE SOME OF THIS IS UNCONFIRMED, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE'LL BREAK UP THIS LONG EXPANSE OF POTENTIAL WROUGHT IRON FENCE AND TRY TO SECURE SOME SORT OF MODEST MASONRY COLUMNS OR SOMETHING.

SO YOU JUST DON'T HAVE ABSOLUTELY. IT'S MORE DECORATIVE.

AND THEN A LOT SEVEN HEARD THE QUESTION ANSWERED, ON A COUPLE OF OUR ORIGINAL [INAUDIBLE] OF THE PLAN. WE ONLY HAD ONE LOT FACING THIS ROAD AS WE KEPT GOING OUT THERE.

WE REALIZE THIS IS PROBABLY JUST AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL AREA.

SO THESE TWO WILL FACE THIS WHAT'S CURRENTLY CALLED PRIVATE STREET.

IF THIS HOUSE CURRENTLY HAS A DRIVEWAY RIGHT HERE THAT GOES ON TO RIDGECREST, IF IT WAS THE COMMISSION'S FANCY THAT YOU DON'T WANT ANY DRIVEWAYS COMING ON RIDGECREST, I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING A REQUIREMENT THAT THE DRIVEWAY FOR SEVEN WOULD ALSO COME OFF THIS PRIVATE DRIVE, JUST LIKE SEVEN, EIGHT NOW, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY DO HAVE THEIR DRIVEWAY HERE. BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY THEY ENTER HERE BECAUSE THEY THEY LOAD COWS, THEY HAVE HAY, THEY DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

YEAH. OK, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, JUST A COUPLE SMALL BECAUSE ONLY NINE LOTS, BUT THERE'S SOME SEMANTIC ISSUES.

WE'RE ONLY ADDING TWO HOMES.

NOT THIS IS ALREADY THERE.

AND THERE'S ALREADY TWO HOMES THAT.

AND THESE THESE AREN'T THAT OLD.

THEY'RE THEY'RE BUILT, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST 12 TO 15 YEARS.

AND THOSE PEOPLE USE THIS ROAD TO ACCESS THEIR HOMES.

AND THEN IN ADDITION, IT'S NOT NINE NEW HOMES.

THERE'S ALREADY TWO FOLKS LIVING ON THIS TEN ACRES.

SO IT'S A NET GAIN OF SEVEN LOTS.

OK, NOW I GUESS WE'LL WE'LL SEE WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS UP HERE AND HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT. I MEAN, I GUESS IF IT'S ALL ELSE EQUAL, I THINK I'D PROBABLY RATHER NOT HAVE AN ENTRANCE ON RIDGECREST OR IF THERE WAS ONE, I'M GOING TO MAKE THE USUAL COMMENT.

OF WE DON'T WANT DELIVERY TRUCKS STOPPED ON THE ROAD.

SO WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS CRAFTED WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF STACKING DEPTH DRIVEWAY TO WHERE THERE'S NOT A FENCE RIGHT ON THE DRIVEWAY.

THERE'S SOME KIND OF DEPTH IN AND OR SOME KIND OF CUL-DE-SAC OR JUST SOME KIND OF CIRCULAR. JUST SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS.

SURE WELL, I WILL SAY THIS.

CARS OFF THE ROAD. THE POST OFFICE DOESN'T ALLOW US ANYMORE TO HAVE INDIVIDUAL MAILBOXES ANYWAY. OK, THE RECENT THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THESE COLLECTIVE MAILBOXES, WE GO AHEAD AND IT'LL BE SOMEWHERE UP HERE IN THE CUL-DE-SAC.

AND THOSE ARE NOT ONLY MAILBOXES, THEY HAVE PARCEL DEALS IN THERE, LARGE.

AND SO WHEN YOU COME HOME, THE DRIVER LEAVES ON YOUR DOOR THAT HE LEFT YOUR FEDEX OR YOUR AMAZON OR WHATEVER IT IS.

AND WHEN HE OPENS THAT UP, A KEY APPEARS TO HIM THAT THAT HOMEOWNER KNOWS TO GO GET MAIL.

YEAH, OK. NOW WE AND WE CAN TALK THROUGH THE DETAILS.

BUT I THINK THE POINT IS WHAT YOU KNOW, USUALLY IT'S THE ONE OFF UPS DRIVER, WHATEVER IT IS, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THEY'VE NEVER BEEN THERE BEFORE. THEY JUST DROP THEM.

SURE. SO JUST MAKING SURE THERE'S AREA FAR ENOUGH TO PULL IN FAR ENOUGH TO GET OFF THE ROAD AND HONESTLY, TO HAVE KIND OF CIRCULAR DRIVES, BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE AN EVENT AND THEY HAVE SEVEN CARS OVER THERE, WE DON'T WANT THEORETICALLY SEVEN CARS.

IT'S NOT MANDATED.

BUT I WOULD ALMOST ASSURE YOU THIS [INAUDIBLE] HOUSE THIS AS WIDE AS THESE LOTS ARE, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CIRCLE DRIVES.

OK, YEAH. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.

SURE. THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAD, I GUESS.

OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT.

DO YOU PLAN ON DOING A RIBBON CURB ON YOUR PRIVATE ROAD? NO. WHY? BECAUSE IT'S LAID DOWN RIGHT NOW.

IT WORKS. IT WORKS FINE.

YOU KNOW, AS WE GO OUT, WE HEAR ALL THE TIME ABOUT RURAL CHARACTER AND RURAL CHARACTER.

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THAT LOOKS RURAL CHARACTER.

AND WHEN WE WHEN WE TOP IT, IT'S PROBABLY TWO INCHES OF ASPHALT, WE'LL HAVE THE NEW ROAD BASE. I HADN'T PLANNED ON IT.

OK. WELL, MY THOUGHT IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE THERE LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING PARTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, FALLING OFF THAT EDGE OF THE TWO EDGE THAT YOU'VE GOT THERE. SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME IT'S MORE STABILIZING ON THE ROAD, GIVE IT A LONGER LIFE. NOW, I WILL SAY THIS, EXCEPT FOR THAT OPEN AREA.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT IT'S GOING TO BE CIRCLE DRIVES.

THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK ON THIS WHOLE THING.

YOU CAN'T PARALLEL PARK HERE.

IT'S SOLID TREES.

AND WHAT YOUR QUESTION YOU JUST ASK, I DIDN'T CONTEMPLATE THAT SO THAT THAT'S MY FAULT.

AND JUST CONFIRMING WITH STAFFS, TO THE EXTENT EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAN BE SHOWN ON DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE CAN KIND OF GET COMFORT THAT IT'LL BE THERE LIKE THE APPLICANT'S REFERENCING.

YES, SIR. OK, THANK YOU.

OTHER QUESTIONS.

I THINK THIS IS THE CLASSIC QUESTION OF YOU'LL AGREE TO DO A SIDEWALK BUT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO THE SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE.

I GUESS WE JUST ESCROW THE FUNDS AS YOU'VE DONE IN OTHER ACTIVITIES, CORRECT? I MEAN, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS THAT I PROPOSED AT THE AT THE EARLIER MEETING.

IF YOU LOOK RIGHT HERE, WHEN I DID OAK POINT, WE HAVE SIDEWALK GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH. WE INSTALLED THIS SIDEWALK TO RIGHT HERE IN THE ANTICIPATION ULTIMATELY.

NOW THE CROSS FIELDS WEREN'T EVEN IN ANYBODY'S MIND AT THAT TIME.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID NOW, THE THE THE RESIDENT HERE SPOKE UP AT THE SPIN MEETING.

SHE DID NOT WANT SIDEWALKS IN HER FRONT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT, YEAH, WE COULD TAKE THIS MONEY THAT WE HAVE HERE.

AND WITH A CONNECTION HERE, I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH THAT YOU WOULD GET ALL THE WAY TO THE LACROSSE FIELDS AND THE CITY.

OBVIOUSLY OWNS ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THE LACROSSE FIELDS, YOU COULD GET, IF NOT ALL THE WAY, YOU COULD GET SIDEWALK FROM DOVE ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE IT HITS HERE AT OAK POINT.

AND THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS CASE.

BUT THAT IS THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE.

OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR NOW.

OK, THANK YOU.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW. THANK YOU.

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK IF WE HAVE SOME FURTHER QUESTIONS.

ITEM NUMBER 15 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

I'VE GOT THREE COMMENT CARDS HERE ALREADY.

AND AGAIN, YOU CAN COME FORWARD AFTER THIS EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD.

BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THESE ARE NOTED FOR THE RECORD.

SO I'LL JUST START WITH THE FIRST RANDOMLY PULLED CARD HERE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS CARRIE SMITH, TWO SEVEN SEVEN SEVEN RIDGECREST DRIVE, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS APPLICATION.

AND I'D ASK REAL QUICK, MA'AM JUST.

MY NAME. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD.

MY NAME IS CARRIE SMITH AND I LIVE AT TWENTY SEVEN SEVENTY SEVEN RIDGECREST DRIVE.

NO, PERFECT. THANK YOU.

AND JUST QUICK HERE, GO AND KILL THAT MIC REAL QUICK.

JUST A REMINDER TO EVERYBODY AGAIN, IT COMES UP.

JUST PLEASE, I'D TRY TO KEEP IT TO THREE MINUTES AND COURTESY OF EVERYBODY ELSE WHO'S ON THE ITEMS THAT ARE BEHIND YOU THAT I'M MOVING YOU GUYS UP FOR TO TO ALLOW YOU TO GET OUT OF HERE AT A DECENT TIME. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M RETIRED FROM EDUCATION AND I HAVE LIVED AT THIS ADDRESS FOR THIS WILL BE MY THIRTY FOURTH YEAR AND I USED TO HAVE A LITTLE FRAME HOUSE THERE AND I TORE THAT DOWN AND BUILT A NEW HOUSE IN 2008.

THERE ARE TWO FAMILIES, AS YOU KNOW, THAT YOU SHOWED UP THERE ORIGINALLY.

I'M THE ONE THAT'S ON THE LEFT BY THE WATER.

THIS IS THE THING I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS THE ROAD.

THERE'S TWO FAMILIES THAT USE THAT, WHICH IS SIX CARS.

WE'RE COMING AND GOING ALL THE TIME.

THAT INCLUDES OUR RELATIVES, THAT INCLUDES OUR FRIENDS, THAT INCLUDES FAMILY AND AMAZON AND OTHER TRUCKS THAT COME THROUGH THERE.

SO IT STAYS PRETTY BUSY.

STEVE AND I ARE REALLY CONSCIENTIOUS.

WE DRIVE EXTREMELY SLOW FIVE TO SEVEN MILES AN HOUR.

IT'S A TRICKY LITTLE ROAD, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR EACH OTHER.

THERE'S ACTUALLY A TURN THERE WHERE YOU CAN NOT EVEN SEE EACH OTHER.

SO WE'RE REALLY CONSCIOUS OF THAT.

WE DRIVE REALLY WELL.

YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY, THE ROAD'S NOT OVER 12 FEET, BUT YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY PULL OVER OFF THE ROAD ENTIRELY TO LET THE OTHER RODE THE OTHER CAR COME IF WE MEET EACH OTHER, WHICH

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MY ISSUE IS WHEN I HEARD THAT WE WERE OPENING THIS UP TO HAVE THREE HOMES, THAT'S A MINIMUM NINE MORE CARS ON THAT LITTLE ROAD.

NOT ONLY WILL THAT BE A NIGHTMARE FOR US, BUT I THINK IT WILL BE A DANGER ALSO.

I THINK ADDING THIS IS NOT NECESSARY.

I THINK THAT WHEN WE, I SAT IN THIS SAME PLACE WHEN WE WERE DOING OAK POINT, LISTENING, AND IT ALSO CAME UP ABOUT HAVING AN EXIT DRIVE, ANOTHER EXIT PLACE FOR THEM, AND THAT WAS DENIED BECAUSE IT WASN'T NECESSARY.

THERE'S TWENTY FOUR HOMES OVER THERE AND THEY EXIT JUST FINE OUT OF ONE PLACE, COMING IN AND GOING OUT IN THE SAME DIRECTION.

AND I KNOW EVERYBODY OVER THERE, IT'S NOT NOT EVER BEEN A PROBLEM.

AND THE SAME THING WITH LIKE MEADOW, THEY HAVE TWENTY FOUR HOMES AND THEY WERE NOT GRANTED ANOTHER EXIT EITHER.

AND THEY ALL COME OUT THE SAME DIRECTION.

I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE REASON WHY WE HAVE TO ADD ALL THIS TRAFFIC TO OUR ROAD.

THIS ROAD IS KEPT BY US THAT ALWAYS HAS BEEN KEPT BY US.

AND TO SAY IT HASN'T BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, IT'S NOT TRUE.

THAT ROAD'S BEEN DONE SEVERAL TIMES AND IT COSTS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.

SO IT HAS BEEN DONE AND IT HAS BEEN KEPT.

BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NECESSARY WHEN THEY CAN EXIT ONTO RIDGECREST, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES IN THOSE OTHER TWO COMMUNITIES.

I DON'T SEE THE IS IT BEING NECESSARY.

AND IT COULD ALSO BE DANGEROUS FOR ALL OF US.

I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A VERY GOOD THING AT ALL.

OK, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.

NEXT COMMENT CARD IS FROM JULIA LANE, TWENTY SEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN RIDGECREST DRIVE, WHICH IS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

HI, I'M JULIA LANE AND I LIVE AT 2787 RIDGECREST DRIVE, YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM MY DAD WHO UNFORTUNATELY COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.

SO I'M HERE IN HIS PLACE.

WE LIVE JUST NORTH OF THE NEW PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND PART OF THE ROAD GOES ON TO OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

AND WE'RE MAINLY CONCERNED WITH OUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE SAFETY BECAUSE IT'S A SINGLE LANE ROAD AND THERE'S A LOT OF SPACES WHERE YOU CAN'T PULL OFF AND THERE HAVE BEEN NEAR ACCIDENTS BEFORE THEN WITHOUT NEW TRAFFIC COMING IN.

AND WE'VE COME TO TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORS LAND THAT HAS BEEN HOME TO, YOU KNOW, COWS AND A BEAUTIFUL FARM WILL BE TURNED INTO A DEVELOPMENT.

BUT WE WOULD RATHER IT JUST HAVE ACCESS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT STRAIGHT ONTO RIDGECREST, NOT OFF THIS PRIVATE DRIVE.

THANK YOU. OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT COMMENT CARD I HAVE LAST COMMENT CARD IS STEVEN COXIE, HOPEFULLY I SAID THAT RIGHT.

TWENTY SEVEN FIFTY SEVEN RIDGECREST DRIVE AND WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

YES, THANK YOU. MY NAME IS STEVEN COXIE.

TWENTY SEVEN FIFTY SEVEN RIDGECREST DRIVE.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.

I HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH IF YOU ALL HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

IT'S JUST PHOTOS OF THE ROAD IN DETAIL, IF THAT'S BETTER THAT I COVER THE HIGHLIGHTS AND Y'ALL CAN REVIEW THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

PLEASE. THE MAIN POINT ABOUT THE ROAD.

WELL, LET ME START VERY BRIEFLY BY SAYING ACROSS THE ROAD AT OAK POINT THERE'S A PLACE BY THE POND THAT IS LOW AND STAYS FULL OF WATER OFTEN.

AND I'VE CALLED THE CITY REPEATEDLY.

THERE MAY BE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WHO DON'T LIKE ME BECAUSE OF THAT.

AND THE CITY SAYS IT'S THE HOA'S PROBLEM.

WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

THAT WAS IN MY MIND WHEN MR. [INAUDIBLE] SAID WE'LL HAVE THE HOA RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PIECE OF ROAD.

NOW, WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE THAT? IN ABOUT 2008, 2009, WE PAID SIXTEEN TO SEVENTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS TO HAVE THE ROAD REPAVED.

IN 2019, THE FIRST HALF OF IT WAS CRUMBLING.

SO WE HAD IT DUG UP AND REBASED AND RESURFACED.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POWER POINT, IT'S CRUMBLING AGAIN.

IT IT MAYBE NEEDS MAJOR REWORKING, BUT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A SINGLE LANE ROAD WITH MORE THAN DOUBLING THE CAPACITY, WE NOW HAVE MANY MORE TIMES PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING AT EACH OTHER. YOU'RE GOING TO STOP ON RIDGECREST, BACK OUT INTO RIDGECREST TO LET PEOPLE OUT. I MEAN, IF IT WAS GOING TO BE A CITY ROAD, YOU KNOW, TWO LANES WIDE, IT WOULD BE FINE WITH ME. BUT IF IT'S GOING TO REMAIN A LITTLE ASPHALT COUNTRY ROAD THAT A COUPLE

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ALSO, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LEGALITY OF IT AND PROBABLY Y'ALL KNOW WAY BETTER THAN I, BUT PROBABLY DON'T EVEN GET IT FULLY.

BUT IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENT SO WE CAN ACCESS OUR PROPERTIES.

WE PURCHASED THOSE PROPERTIES UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO OUR TO OUR PROPERTIES, BUT THEN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT ROAD AS A PRIVATE ROAD.

AND IF THAT WAS GRANTED TO US, HOW CAN THAT EASEMENT THEN BE GRANTED TO THESE OTHER PROPERTIES? AT THE SAME TIME, IF MR. [INAUDIBLE] WANTS TO GRANT AN EASEMENT TO THOSE PROP TWO EIGHT AND NINE SO THAT THEY CAN ACCESS RIDGECREST, HOW DOES HE GET TO GIVE THEM OUR EASEMENT? WHY WOULDN'T HE BE REQUIRED TO GIVE ANOTHER EASEMENT TO THEM, PUT IN A AN EASEMENT JUST SOUTH OF THE CURRENT ONE, OR REWORK THAT A LITTLE BIT SO THAT THERE'S A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, A BEND IN THE ROAD, MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO ACCESS IT FROM THE NEW ROADS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. AND MY TIME'S RUNNING OUT.

BUT I DO WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE IT'S ONLY NINE LOTS MORE THAN AN ACRE EACH, WROUGHT IRON FENCES, NOT STONE WALLS.

I LOVE THAT. AND I LOVE THAT HE RESPECTS THE COUNTRY FEEL OF THIS PLACE.

MY ONLY ISSUE IS CONCERN ABOUT THE ROAD.

THANK YOU. NO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

APPRECIATE IT. ITEM NUMBER FIFTEEN.

THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT REMAINS OPEN FOR ANYBODY ELSE.

WHO'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

SEEING NO ONE.

GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT, PLEASE JUST COME BACK UP HERE. MAYBE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS, PLEASE, FOR ME, CONFIRM THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD AND MAYBE JUST TALK IN GENERAL ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE HAD WITH WITH THE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT USE THE ROADS SINCE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME SOME ANGST HERE.

SO MS. SMITH THAT LIVES, SHE'S ACTUALLY THIS, YOU SAID LEFT TO THE LAKE, I MEAN, SHE'S A LONG TIME RESIDENT.

THAT'S HER HOUSE, THE KIND OF ONE THAT'S BLUE THERE.

WE'RE NOT AT FIRST I WOULD SAY SHE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE ADDING OF THREE HOMES, WE'RE ADDING TWO. THERE WILL BE.

THERE WILL BE CURRENTLY THERE'S THE ONE DOWN HERE IN THE CORNER WHERE MR. AND MRS. KING LIVE. NOW, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S ANGST ABOUT ADDING ANYTHING, BUT WE'RE TECHNICALLY JUST ADDING TWO RESIDENTS.

THE RESPONSE TO ALL THIS TRAFFIC.

QUOTE, I WILL JUST SAY THIS AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY FOLKS WHO HAVE HAD LITTLE TO NO TRAFFIC AS YOU GO TO PURSUE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, WHICH I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT THE RESPONSE I'M GOING TO GET FROM A TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ON ONE ACRE LOTS IS IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO MEASURE THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC. OK, TO THE QUESTION ABOUT MAKING THIS ROAD WIDER, I MEAN, THERE WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF TREES.

HOW WIDE IS IT? I GUESS WILL IT BE? THERE'S 50 FEET AVAILABLE THERE.

BUT HOW WIDE IS IT? WILL IT BE, I GUESS, AS YOU'RE PROPOSING IT TODAY? I MEAN, ARE YOU JUST ALMOST WE'LL TRY TO MIMIC IT.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LOSS HERE ON THESE EDGES, BUT OUR MEASUREMENTS ABOUT 12, IT'S 12 TO 14 FEET.

ABOUT 12, 12 TO 14, DEPENDING ON.

YES, SIR. NOW, ONE THING THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT AS I WAS SITTING OVER THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D HELP, BUT BUT THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC, ONE THING THAT I WOULD THAT I COULD BE FINE IMPOSING IS, IS THAT WE HAVE TO MANDATE CIRCLE DRIVES ON SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, OK, THAT IS A VERY PROACTIVE, TANGIBLE WAY TO PROVIDE TRAFFIC MITIGATION FOR THESE TWO RESIDENTS TO OUR EAST, OK? OUR THOUGHT WAS WE JUST WE KIND OF WANTED TO KEEP THE CHARACTER OF WHAT THAT IT IS BY ADDING LOTS EIGHT AND NINE.

THE NEXT WAS MS. LANE, WHO I WHO SEEMS LIKE SHE MUST LIVE.

TWENTY SEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN RIGHT THERE.

SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THIS ROAD.

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IT'LL CERTAINLY BE MORE SAFE FOR FIRE PROTECTION.

IT WILL CERTAINLY BE.

THERE WILL BE MORE POCKETBOOKS TO MAINTAIN THIS ROAD INSTEAD OF THESE TWO PEOPLE BEARING THE BRUNT FOR IT. THERE'LL BE NINE OTHERS.

AND UNDER MY PROPOSAL, I WASN'T PLANNING ON SENDING THEM AN INVOICE FOR ANY WORK THAT MYSELF DOES AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND AS PART OF OUR ON GOING MAINTENANCE.

AND I THINK MR. COXIE PROBABLY MADE A GREAT POINT UP HERE AT THE FRONT THAT IT'S ALREADY FAILED AFTER TWO YEARS.

THERE'S A PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE REALLY FOLLOWED.

AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF REDO OF OF OF ROADWAYS.

WE HAVE DONE ACROSS THE STREET.

WE PUT IN ASPHALT STREETS SO WE WOULD BLEND IN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE'RE ACCUSTOMED.

AND IF YOU DON'T DO ASPHALT PROPERLY WITH THE PROPER BASE AND YOU DON'T DO IT AND TAMP IT AND WATER IT, IT'S A PROCESS YOU WILL HAVE A FAILURE LIKE HE'S DESCRIBING WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE WRITING THAT SIXTEEN THOUSAND DOLLAR CHECK THAT HE DESCRIBED HERE. I'M SAYING THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BEAR THE BRUNT OF IT.

AND I DIDN'T IT'S NOT LIKE ANYBODY'S TRYING TO TWIST OUR ARM TO DO IT.

WE RECOGNIZE BY PUTTING THESE HOUSES ON THERE, WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC, WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE THE TRAFFIC IF WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S TWO MORE HOMES ON IT.

SO THE MEASUREMENT OF TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, AS MS. LANE SAYS IN SAFETY, ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT I DISAGREE OR AGREE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO MITIGATE IT.

THE MR. COXIE TALK ABOUT THE ROAD CRUMBLING.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TWO LANE ROAD.

I REALLY DON'T THINK THESE PEOPLE WANT A TWO LANE ROAD BECAUSE THAT THAT THAT BEAUTIFUL DEAL RIGHT THERE, THAT.

THAT RIGHT THERE MARKS PART OF THE EDGE, THIS RIGHT OF WAY GOES ALL THE WAY OVER TO HERE.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BIG MISTAKE TO TRY TO PUSH FOR A TWO LANE ROAD.

AND THEN MR. COXIE TALKS ABOUT THE ACCESS THAT WAS GRANTED TO HIM.

I CAN UNDERSTAND HIS PERCEPTION.

THIS TWENTY FIVE FOOT HERE WAS GRANTED ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO WHEN THE KING'S HERE GRANTED AN EASEMENT DURING THE PLATTING OF THEIR PROPERTY.

OK, THIS IS NOT SOME NEW THING.

THIS HAS BEEN HERE. NOW THERE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENCE.

THIS IS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

THIS IS A PUBLIC EASEMENT.

THE EFFECT OF THEM IS THE SAME.

JUST THE NOMENCLATURE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

AND IT I APPRECIATE MR. COXIE'S COMMENTS.

WE ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I MEAN, AND IT'S REALLY NOT AN ACT OF BENEVOLENCE.

IT'S IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY HERE.

WE WANT TO BLEND IN.

YOU KNOW, THESE ARE GOING TO BE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR HOMES.

I MEAN, SO WE AGREE WITH HIM THAT THEY LIVE IN A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO INTRUDE ON THEM.

THE KING'S HERE SHE'S 88.

HE'S 94. THEY'RE LATE IN LIFE.

THIS THIS IS THEIR TIME TO HARVEST THEIR PROPERTY, OK, AND IN OUR MIND, WHAT WE PROPOSES IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST WAY TO DO IT AND MAKE IT HAPPEN, WITH THAT.

I DON'T IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

I'LL SEE IF THE COMMISSION DOES, BUT I GUESS AT A MINIMUM WE'LL JUST SEE HOW IT GOES.

BUT I'LL ASK THAT YOU TRY TO ENGAGE THEM IN A DIALOG.

CERTAINLY. THERE COULD BE SOME FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS, SOME EASIER ANSWERS LIKE THE VISIBILITY THING. MAYBE IT'S CLEARING OUT SOME BRUSH OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THAT CAN MAYBE NOT MAKE IT PERFECT, BUT MAKE IT BETTER.

SO ONE TIME I DID SAY A MR. KUBIAK. I'M FULLY PREPARED TO COME IN HERE AND PUT SPEED LIMITS.

THEY SAID 10 MILES AN HOUR.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING THAT UP.

HOW ENFORCEFUL IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW. BUT THE VISUAL THING OF A SPEED LIMIT SIGN IS IMPORTANT.

WE IN MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS PUT THE SIGN, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S CHILDREN PLAYING OR WHATEVER WE WILL COMMIT AND HIRE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO DESIGN THE SIGNAGE PROGRAM THAT SOMETIMES IS ONE OF THE MOST BENEFICIAL THINGS YOU CAN DO TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AND SAFETY AND ALL THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS? I GUESS WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW.

OK, WE NEED YOU.

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK. YES.

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SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTS TO JUMP IN AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK SO FAR.

I THINK I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE THE RIBBON CURBS ON THERE, ESPECIALLY SEEING SO THAT WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CARS HAVING TO PULL OFF, WET WEATHER, WHATEVER.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE STREET.

I THINK MR. [INAUDIBLE] KNOWS THAT IT WILL.

SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION TO THIS.

I AGREE. I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S WITHOUT DOING DESTROYING ALL THESE TREES.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT A TWO LANE.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE TWO LANE STREET.

AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT SOMEWHAT ABOUT A LOT OF THE TREES ANYWAY WITH CONSTRUCTION, TRAFFIC AND DRIVEWAYS BEING CUT IN AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE LOST.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE WE'LL DO ALL WE CAN TO KEEP THAT TO A MINIMUM.

BUT I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THE MAIN THING I'M LOOKING AT.

IT JUST IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME, RIBBON CURB IS A BETTER IDEA.

OK, YOU MADE A GREAT POINT.

AND I FORGOT TO POINT THIS OUT A SECOND AGO BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO OWN ALL THE LOTS WE CAN. BY USING HOLDING BACK A LOT, WE CAN TAKE WE CAN ACTUALLY CREATE WE DO THIS WITH POOLS TODAY, I COULD COMMIT TO YOU THAT WE COULD DELAY THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIX OR FIVE AND DIRECT OUR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR BRAND NEW CONCRETE ROAD AND BASICALLY BUILD THESE HOMES FROM BEHIND.

OK, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT TILL YOU SAID THAT.

BUT WE CAN DO THAT.

OK YEAH WE'LL NOTE THAT, I GUESS.

ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER SPRINGER, COMMISSIONER DYCHE, YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU WANTED TO JUMP IN. YEAH, I'VE GOT I'VE GOT SOME REAL HEARTBURN OVER OVER THE PRIVATE ROAD ISSUE AND THE VARIANCE REQUESTED.

I DON'T THINK MY VIEWS HAVE CHANGED ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO ALLOW FRONTAGE ON PRIVATE ROADS.

AND I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING HERE THAT CONVINCED ME THAT THERE'S A COMPELLING REASON TO DO IT HERE. SO I'M I'M PRETTY SURE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COME DOWN OPPOSED TO THIS FROM THE STANDPOINT. THE VARIANCE IT'S CERTAINLY NOT ANYTHING ELSE, OK? COMMISSIONER PHALEN OR COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER? PHALEN GO FIRST AND YOU CAN COLLECT YOUR THOUGHTS.

SORRY, YOU'RE ON THE SPOT.

WELL, JUST SAY WHATEVER COMES TO MIND, I GUESS.

YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK I MEAN, THIS IS TOUGH, THAT THAT ROAD IS DEFINITELY NARROW AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT THAT SAFE TODAY, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF HOUSES UTILIZING IT.

I'M NOT SURE I'M CONVINCED THAT ADDING TWO MORE HOUSES WILL MAKE IT OR POTENTIALLY THREE WOULD MAKE IT THAT MUCH MORE DANGEROUS.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK I COULD PROBABLY BE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER. YEAH, I THINK THE PRIVATE ROAD ISSUE IS THE ONE THAT'S BEEN ON TOP OF MIND. AND I GUESS I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, COS YOU WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN OF THIS AREA. WHAT EFFORTS WERE MADE TO TRY AND STILL HAVE NINE LOTS IN THAT AREA? AND I UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMICS OF WANTING NINE VERSUS EIGHT, BUT HAVING THE ACCESS THROUGH YOUR TO BE BUILT CUL-DE-SAC ONLY THEN BACK OUT ONTO RIDGECREST.

I WOULD ANSWER IN A COUPLE OF WAYS.

ONE, WE ORIGINALLY HAD THIS CENTERED WITH ONE LOT RIGHT HERE.

WE HAD EIGHT LOTS ON THE CUL-DE-SAC.

THEN THIS PERSON DID NOT TO THESE TWO PEOPLE DID NOT LIKE THESE LIGHTS FROM THESE EIGHT HOMES, THE HEADLIGHTS SHINING IN.

OK, THEN IN ADDITION, ONCE WE REALLY STUDIED IT AND WE LOOKED AND AS WE HAVE BROUGHT I MEAN, AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY GONE OUT HARD WITH IT, BUT AS WE'VE GONE OUT TO THE PUBLIC, EVERY HUMAN BEING THAT WE TALK TO, THIS IS WHERE THEY WANT TO LIVE.

THESE ARE THE FIRST PICS, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE IS WHERE THAT IT IS.

AND I WOULD SAY THIS, I KNOW IT IS A VARIANCE, BUT I WILL ASSURE YOU THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSES FACING PRIVATE STREETS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I MEAN, AND THAT'S A RELATIVELY NEW THAT HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN THE FACTOR.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO IMPOSE A IT DOESN'T GET US ANY MORE LOTS.

OUR MIND WAS THIS WAS THE BEST PLAN.

AND TO DESCRIBE THIS ROAD AND THIS RIGHT OF WAY THAT HAS EXISTED FOR MANY YEARS AS THIS

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THAT'S A. I MEAN, I GUESS IT CAN, BUT YES, WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LOT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND THAT'S ALWAYS ONE OF THE TOUGH THINGS WHEN YOU'RE IN OUR IN OUR ROLE.

DO WE CREATE A PLAN THAT IS KIND OF JUST BLAH, BUT IT PASSES MUSTER WITH THE NEIGHBORS? OK, OR DO WE TRY TO DO A GREAT PLAN THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THIS BEAUTIFUL TREE LINED LANE, THIS TOPOGRAPHY AND OTHERWISE? AND WE MAY WE MAY SUFFER BECAUSE OF IT, BUT WE MADE A DECISION TO DO THE BEST PLAN.

WE DIDN'T DO THE COMPROMISE PLAN.

THAT DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

REAL QUICK, I GUESS, COMMISSIONERS, THAT JUST STARTING KIND OF COMMENTED, GIVEN EVERYTHING WE'VE HEARD THE PROS AND CONS ABOUT THE PRIVATE ROAD VERSUS WE ALL KIND OF KNOW THE PROS AND CONS OF HAVING ANOTHER DRIVEWAY ON RIDGECREST RELATIVE TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORS. ANY FIRM CONVICTIONS ON LOT SEVEN DRIVEWAY LOCATION, PRIVATE ROAD.

PRIVATE ROAD. I MEAN I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOUNDS LIKE.

NO, THANK YOU FROM OVER THERE.

SO I GET IT.

OK. AND COMMISSIONER SPRINGER OK.

AND AGAIN, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S PROBABLY NOT A GREAT ANSWER FOR SOME PEOPLE EITHER WAY, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE ANSWER MIGHT BE.

YEAH. I MEAN, I'M PRETTY SYMPATHETIC TO THE NEIGHBORS.

I CAN UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS.

I GUESS I CAN GET THERE ON THE FACT THAT IT IS ADDITION OF TWO HOMES.

AND I THINK MAYBE WHILE WHILE THE.

SORRY, SORRY, THERE'S NO PLEASE NOTHING FROM THE GALLERY OUT LOUD.

WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WITH THE MAYBE THE APPLICANT COULD DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, THE FIRE IMPROVEMENTS, THE THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, THE HAVING HOA TAKE CARE OF IT.

I MEAN, I YOU KNOW, MY GUESS IS THESE SAME QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO COME UP AT COUNCIL.

SO I THINK IT'S IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, IT'LL CERTAINLY BE A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION THERE, TOO. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE APPLICANTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK I I GUESS MY PREFERENCE PROBABLY HAVE THE DRIVEWAY ON SEVEN TO BE ON THE PRIVATE ROAD AS WELL, SINCE IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY FEET IN THERE, BUT ANOTHER SAFETY ISSUES WITH HAVING IT ON RIDGECREST AS WELL THAT HAS MORE TRAFFIC. IF THERE'S ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR.

WELL, I JUST HAVE ANOTHER THOUGHT AFTER HEARING MR. [INAUDIBLE]. I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF HIS POINTS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE THESE THIS PROPERTY HAS THAT EASEMENT ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF IT AS WELL.

SO I REALLY TO TO DENY THEM ACCESS OFF OF AN AREA WHERE THEY HAVE AN ACCESS EASEMENT OR THEY OWN PART OF THAT ROAD, IT DOESN'T REALLY SEEM LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING.

YEAH, IT'S KIND OF A BALANCE, RIGHT? I MEAN, EVERYBODY HAS RIGHTS, SO YOU HAVE TO TRY TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE EQUATION AND WEIGH IT OUT. OK, MAYBE WITH THAT MR. ROTHMEIER WILL TRY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I THINK, THAT MAYBE ENCAPSULATES THAT COMMENT ON LOT SEVEN AND ENCAPSULATES THE CIRCLE DRIVE COMMENTS FOR SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, THE WROUGHT IRON DEVELOPMENT PLAN PLEDGE ON THE FENCING, CONSTRUCTION LOADING KIND OF THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, NOT THE PRIVATE ROAD, MAYBE A TRAFFIC STUDY JUST TO TRY TO FURTHER ADDRESS THAT. SOUNDS LIKE THE EASEMENTS ALREADY SHOWN FOR THE SIDEWALKS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN, BUT THAT SOUNDS LIKE AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE THAT COVERED.

I'M NOT SURE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE MIGHT HAVE MISSED ON TERMS OF REQUIREMENTS? I DO HAVE MY NOTES NO DRIVES FOR LOTS ONE AND SIX, I THINK WE MENTIONED.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THAT.

YEAH, NO DRIVES FOR ONE AND SIX ON RIDGECREST, CORRECT? OK.

. I THINK. PLAN DOES CURRENTLY SHOW A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK TO BE PROVIDED AND I THINK THE

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THAT'S MAYBE SOMETHING WE CHARGE THE APPLICANT TO GET SOME RESIDENT FEEDBACK ON IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S DESIRED OR NOT, AND OR AS THE APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT, IS THERE A SMART WAY TO TRY TO HOOK IT INTO SOME OF THE EXISTING SITUATION THERE TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING BETTER? SO WE'LL NOTE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS NEEDS TO BE IN THIS IN THIS MOTION OR NOT, BUT DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM HOLDING OFF ON THE OTHER SIX OR LOT FIVE FOR CONSTRUCTION PURPOSES, OR IS THAT MORE OF IT? YEAH, I THINK HE'S GOT A LOT FIVE OR.

YEAH. YES, BUT GOOD COMMENT.

OK, WE'LL GIVE IT A SHOT HERE.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, IF I CAN MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE NUMBER ZA 21-0048 SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED JULY 30TH, 2021 AND THE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED JULY 30TH, 2021 AND NOTING THE FOLLOWING.

APPROVING THE REQUESTED VARIANCES AS REQUESTED BY AGREEING TO ESCROW THE FUNDS.

THE APPLICANT AGREES RATHER TO ESCROW THE FUNDS FOR THE FUTURE SIDEWALK AS REQUIRED.

THE DRIVEWAY'S FOR LOT OR FOR LOT SEVEN ACCESS WOULD BE ON TO THE PRIVATE DRIVE, NOT ON RIDGECREST AND THE DRIVEWAYS FOR LOTS ONE AND SIX WOULD ALSO BE ONTO THE, WOULD BE INTO THE CUL-DE-SAC, NOT ON TO RIDGECREST.

AN AGREEMENT ON THE PART OF THE APPLICANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH A TRAFFIC ENGINEER ACKNOWLEDGING THE CHALLENGE OF MEASURING TRAFFIC IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, AGREEING TO MANDATE CIRCULAR DRIVES ON LOTS SEVEN, EIGHT AND NINE, AND LOOKING AT OPTIONS FOR SIGNAGE TO ENCOURAGE SAFETY ALONG THE PRIVATE ROAD, AND FURTHER NOTING THE NEED TO CONTINUE THE DIALOG WITH THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS, ADDING A CONSIDERATION TO ADDING RIBBON CURVES AS YOU TAKE THIS FORWARD, PERHAPS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ROAD CONCERNS THAT WERE ADDRESSED BY COMMISSIONER SPRINGER, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT THE IMPACT ON VEGETATION THROUGHOUT THAT AREA, DELAYING CONSTRUCTION A LOTS SIX AND SEVEN, AND DIRECTING THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THROUGH THE TO BE INSTALLED CUL-DE-SAC AREA.

AND THE APPLICANT NOTING AN AGREEMENT TO INSTALL WROUGHT IRON FENCING, NOT MASONRY FENCING ALONG RIDGECREST AND SURROUNDING THE SUBDIVISION ITSELF.

THAT'S A MOUTHFUL. OK, WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OK, LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE.

OK. MOTION PASSES FOUR ONE, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS AN APPLICANT, YOU HEARD THOSE ITEMS. THERE'S A LOT OF HOMEWORK THERE.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'D ASK YOU TO ENGAGE WITH THE RESIDENTS TO SEE MAYBE ALL THE ISSUES CAN'T BE FIXED, BUT SEE SEE WHAT YOU CAN MAKE BETTER, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS WILL COME UP AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH ASSUMING THE APPLICANT MOVES IT FORWARD IN A TIMELY FASHION, THE COUNCIL MEETING WILL BE ON AUGUST 17TH, TUESDAY.

SO YOU CAN CONTINUE TO DIALOG THERE AS WELL.

SO ALL THIS WILL BE NOTED FOR THE RECORD.

SO THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR COMING OUT ON THAT ITEM TONIGHT.

NOW, WE'LL MOVE ON TO AS I NOTED EARLIER, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 18 ON OUR AGENDA

[18. Consider: Ordinance No. 480-785, (ZA21-0053), Zoning Change and Development Plan for Ferguson Place]

AGAIN, TRYING TO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS ON THE AGENDA HERE.

SO I'M TRYING TO HIT THE ONES THAT HAVE THE MOST RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE ON IT FOR NOW.

AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THE REST OF THESE IN AN ORDERLY FASHION.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE ITEM NUMBER 18, FERGUSON PLACE ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

DENNIS, PLEASE TAKE IT AWAY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURAL TO RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR TWO TRACKS ADDRESSED AT 2589, 2593 LONESOME DOVE ROAD THERE, APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE IN TOTAL.

AND THIS PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE TWO OF A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY 30 LOTS THAT ARE PLANNED FOR A SUBDIVISION ADJOINING IT IN THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE. THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

CURRENT ZONING, AS I MENTIONED, IS AGRICULTURAL.

THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SITE.

IT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM LONESOME DOVE CEMETERY AND IS ALSO IN PROXIMITY OF THE LONESOME DOVE ESTATES RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

PROPERTIES ADJOINING THE NORTH, EAST AND SOUTH BOUNDARY OF THIS PROPERTY ARE ALL WITHIN

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THIS IS A LITTLE NOTCH FOR WHICH THE PROPERTY IS INCLUDED IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING IN AN EASTERLY DIRECTION AT THE PROPERTY FROM LONESOME DOVE. AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, APPROXIMATE LOT SIZE IS 12000 FEET FOR EACH OF THE LOTS, MINIMUM BEING SPECIFICALLY ELEVEN THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THREE SQUARE FEET.

THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION OF A ROAD THAT WOULD ONCE AGAIN CONNECT THEM TO THE ADJOINING GRAPEVINE DEVELOPMENT.

THE GRAPEVINE SUBDIVISION WOULD HAVE LOTS ABUTTING PORTIONS OF THE SOUTH BOUNDARY OF THAT STREET THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN SOUTHLAKE.

THIS IS A SITE DATA SUMMARY AND COMPARISON WITH THE CITY'S STANDARD SF 20 RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THIS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE BASED ON THE PERMITTED USES, SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS AND ACCESSORIES PERMITTED UNDER THE SF 20 AND WOULD RESET STANDARDS REGARDING LOT SIZE, LOT DIMENSION AND SETBACKS, AS WELL AS MINIMUM HOME SIZE AND ALSO LOT COVERAGES OF THE BUILDING.

THIS SUBDIVISION, THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, DOES TYPICALLY REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF 10 PERCENT OPEN SPACE TO SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO PROVIDE THAT 10 PERCENT OPEN SPACE.

AND THIS IS THEIR FENCE AND WALL PLAN.

AND TREE CONSERVATION PLAN.

DRAINAGE PLAN. AND UTILITY PLAN AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THE CITY IS WORKING WITH GRAPEVINE AS WELL AS A DEVELOPER FOR INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT FOR WHICH GRAPEVINE WOULD PROVIDE BOTH WATER AND SEWER SERVICES TO THE LOT, ALTHOUGH CITY OF SOUTHLAKE HAS WATER SERVICE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PROPERTY.

THERE IS NOT SANITARY SEWER WITHIN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

AND GIVEN THE MINIMUM LOT NUMBER, IT IS PROBABLY PREFERABLE AND WOULD MAKE BETTER SENSE FROM MAINTENANCE AND WATER QUALITY TO CONNECT TO GRAPEVINE FOR THE WATER AS WELL. THIS IS THE NOTICE AREA FOR WHICH RESIDENTS AND SOUTHLAKE WERE PROVIDED NOTIFICATION, COURTESY NOTICE, PROVIDED IN GRAPEVINE, OF COURSE, AND WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES TO DATE.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL. DENNIS, QUICK QUESTION ON SIDEWALKS ALONG LONESOME DOVE.

WHAT IS THE MASTER PATHWAYS PLAN, IF ANY, ALONG IT LONESOME DOVE.

IT'S ALL KIND OF MIXED UP.

THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE WOULD REQUIRE A FIVE FOOT WALK ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF LONESOME DOVE AND SAME, SHOULD REDEVELOPMENT OCCUR OF ANY OF THE PROPERTIES ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE.

THAT WOULD ALSO BE REQUIRED THERE.

DEVELOPMENT. THEY ARE PROPOSING AND SHOW ON THEIR PLAN TO PROVIDE THE FIVE FOOT WALK ON

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YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. AT A MINIMUM, THE EASEMENT WAS THERE, WHICH WAS THE IMPORTANT THING. SO YOU AND I KNOW WHO KNOWS HOW IT PLAYS OUT.

BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE EASEMENT THERE.

AND UNLESS THE APPLICANT AND THE COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY COUNCIL DECIDES DIFFERENTLY, THEY ARE SHOWING TO PROVIDE AND BUILD THE WALK.

OKAY. I GUESS YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.

AND JUST CONFIRMING A FEW OTHER THINGS, JUST BECAUSE I WAS READING COMMENTS FROM SPIN MEETINGS AND OTHER RESIDENT FEEDBACK, 100 PERCENT STATING FOR THE RECORD THAT OTHER, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THIS PAGE, OTHER THAN THE TWO LOTS THAT ARE KIND OF SHADED IN THAT BURNT ORANGE COLOR RIGHT THERE, EVERYTHING ELSE IS CITY OF GRAPEVINE.

SO TO THE EXTENT NEIGHBORS, RESIDENTS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE REST OF THIS, THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT THIS BODY HAS IMPACT OVER.

AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THEY'LL ASK ANY QUESTIONS TO THE CITY GRAPEVINE, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT, YES.

OK. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, SAME THING, I GUESS I SAW ONE ON SCHOOL DISTRICT BOUNDARIES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IS NOT OUR PRIVET UP HERE.

AND I KNOW FROM LIVING IN THAT AREA FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

I KNOW I DON'T THINK THE BOUNDARIES HAVE CHANGED ANY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S TECHNICALLY CISD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A CITY OF GRAPEVINE.

SO, AGAIN, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S OUR BALLPARK.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING MORE FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO ANSWER.

SO I THINK THAT'S.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS ON THIS ONE? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE 10 PERCENT VARIANCE ON THE OPEN SPACE IS STRICTLY FOR THESE TWO LOTS. THERE WILL BE A CUMULATIVE OPEN SPACE FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

RIGHT? I WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT AS TO WHAT THEY PLAN SPECIFICALLY IN GRAPEVINE DISTRICT.

YES. THERE IS A LARGE PARK AND MR. [INAUDIBLE] TOWARD THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE GRAPEVINE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MR. [INAUDIBLE] WILL POINT OUT I'M SURE HIS PRESENTATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DENNIS.

I GUESS I'LL CALL THE APPLICANT UP HERE.

AND KNOWING THAT DENNIS DID A VERY THOROUGH JOB ON HIS APPLICATION PRESENTATION HERE, I'D ASK THE APPLICANT TO BE EXPEDITIOUS WITH HIS PRESENTATION.

AND WE CAN KIND OF JUST OBVIOUSLY FIRE AWAY.

AND YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

YES SIR.

FIRST, LET ME TELL YOU, I DIDN'T PLAN ON BEING HERE FOR TWO.

THIS CLOSE THIS KIND OF AN ODD CIRCUMSTANCE.

AND THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY OR IS AN ACCUMULATION OF ABOUT TEN DIFFERENT TRACKS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS.

AND THIS IS THIS IS THE MAP SHOWING THE VARIOUS PARCELS.

WHAT I WILL SAY, THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE, OTHERWISE KNOWN THE [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY.

LOT THREE, WE JUST GOT IT AND CLOSED IT LAST WEEK.

IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS, BUT WE DO ON THAT NOW ALSO.

OK, THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S THE CITY LIMITS LINE.

RED, THERE'S THIS THIS LITTLE BIT THAT'S IN SOUTHLAKE.

THE GREEN IS SOUTHLAKE.

THE YELLOW IS GRAPEVINE.

FOR CONTEXT, I JUST WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND I'M NOT TRYING TO OVERKILL IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE IT.

THIS IS THE THIS IS A LOT BILL.

TWELVE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED A SQUARE FOOT LOT.

THERE'S NUMEROUS OF THOSE IN LONESOME DOVE.

I CAN TELL YOU I WENT BACK, I DEVELOPED LONESOME DOVE TWENTY SIX YEARS AGO.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IN THERE IS ALMOST SIXTEEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

SO WE HAVE LONESOME DOVE CEMETERY.

INTERESTINGLY, OUR THOUGHT IS THIS YELLOW PART THAT'S IN SOUTHLAKE IDENTIFIED AS LOW DENSITY IS KIND OF A MISNOMER.

THERE'S NO LOW DENSITY AROUND US.

ON THE GRAPEVINE SIDE, THIS IS WHAT WE ABUT TO.

YOU SAW THE PICTURE. THERE'S AN EIGHT THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT LOT.

THAT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.

THERE'S A 6000 FOOT LOT.

NOW, THESE TWO HOMES HAVE BEEN REDONE.

THEY'RE VERY NICE. THIS SIX THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT LOT IS A TRAILER OR SOMETHING. AND THEN WE HAVE A VERY PEJORATIVE USE DOWN HERE.

THE MINI HALL BOAT STORAGE.

WE DESPERATELY TRIED TO CREATE A PLAN THAT DOES FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND TO THE POINT THIS IS IN THE CARROLL SCHOOLS IS WHAT MAKES IT REALLY GOOD.

AND WE'RE GOING TO AND THESE WILL ALL BE BUILT BY [INAUDIBLE] HOMES.

THERE'S THE AERIAL Y'ALL SAW THAT.

THESE ARE THE TWO LOTS, IF I HAVE KNOWN THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT BURNT ORANGE, I WOULD HAVE

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I WOULD HAVE I WOULD HAVE CARRIED FAVOR WITH YOU, BUT I DID NOT INTEND FOR THAT TO BE BURNT ORANGE.

DOESN'T WORK FOR EVERYONE. I KNOW.

I KNOW. YEAH.

YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT.

SO THIS IS AS IT FITS IN.

I'LL JUMP BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'RE A LACK OF TIME.

YES. WE ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON THESE TWO LOTS.

I WILL TELL YOU HOW THIS ARRIVED.

WHEN WE INITIALLY WENT TO SEE STAFF, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE DOING A LAND SWAP SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED DOWN HERE AT FOXFIRE.

WE WERE TOLD UNDER NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT TOOK TWO YEARS.

BAD MOVE. DON'T DO IT.

WHAT THE CITY WANTED WAS THE SOUTHLAKE ROAD TO BE IN SOUTHLAKE.

CURRENTLY THERE IS TWO LOTS RIGHT HERE AND THEY'RE SERVED BY THIS ROAD, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS GRAVEL DRIVE, BECAUSE IT IS A GRAVEL DRIVE, WE ARE GOING TO FENCE THAT OFF.

THESE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE HOMES CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THIS GRAVEL ROAD.

AND THEN IN SO THE VARIANCE WE'RE ASKING FOR ON THE OPEN SPACE, I WANT YOU TO KNOW, INCLUSIVE OF THE SOUTHLAKE LOTS, THIS PARK REPRESENTS FORTY ONE PERCENT OF OUR LANDMASS.

AND THIS IS A PARK THAT THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE IS GOING TO ACCEPT.

THEY WANT IT. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE IT TO THEM.

AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PARK.

BUT THIS IS A REGIONAL PARK.

WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY FENCE AROUND IT.

THERE'S GOING TO BE NO ID REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU GOT TO LIVE IN GRAPEVINE.

THIS IS A PUBLIC PARK THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THERE'S PROBABLY 70 SPECIMEN OAKS HERE.

GOING TO BE VERY SUBTLE, PICNIC TABLES.

WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN GET US A FISHING PIER IN HERE.

THERE IS SOME PRETTY GOOD FISH.

BUT SO THE WAIVER WE'RE ASKING FOR ON THIS 10 PERCENT TAKE IT IN CONTEXT THAT THERE'S FORTY PERCENT OF OPEN SPACE.

I HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO SAY, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND, IN THE RESPECT OF YOUR TIME, I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR FAVOR RECOMMENDATION ON THESE TWO LOTS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT WE BELIEVE REALLY DO FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERY WELL.

OK, JUST CONFIRM A FEW THINGS.

BOTH THOSE LOTS, THE DRIVEWAYS WILL FRONT ON FERGUSON ROAD, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, ACTUALLY NOT.

LET ME GO BACK HERE REAL QUICK.

THIS LOT, LOT ONE WILL FRONT ON LONESOME DOVE, BUT THE DRIVEWAY WILL COME OFF OF FERGUSON. I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT BETTER DRIVEWAY DRIVEWAY ON FERGUSON BOTH SPEAKERS]. IS GOING TO FACE IN TO THIS LITTLE POCKET PARK IN ITS DRIVEWAY WILL BE IN THE REAR ALSO. PERFECT.

OK, YEAH, I SHOULD HAVE STATED THAT BETTER.

THE DRIVEWAY WILL NOT BE ON LONESOME DOVE.

IT'S NOT Y'ALLS BUSINESS, BUT ON THIS LOT ONE, WE ARE NOT ALLOWING IT TO HAVE ACCESS HERE. AND SIMILARLY TO WHAT YOU HEARD IN THE PREVIOUS CASE, WE HAVE BECOME VERY SENSITIZED. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A BIG MASONRY WALL HERE.

IT'LL BE IT'LL BE EITHER IRON FENCING.

IT'LL BE SOMETHING VERY SUBTLE THAT MAKES IT NOT LOOK OTHERWISE.

SO THAT'LL BE ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

YES SIR. AS WELL. OK, THANK YOU.

AND THEN ON THE SIDEWALKS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT THE EASEMENT.

OUT HERE. YEAH. AND THE SIDEWALKS GOING THE RIGHT OF WAY.

OUR PLAN IS ON THE SOUTHLAKE PORTION AND THE GRAPEVINE IS TO INSTALL THE SIDEWALKS, AGAIN. THERE'LL BE SIDEWALKS TO NOWHERE.

BUT ON YOUR POINT, THEY GET A START.

YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO START SOMEWHERE.

AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A TRACK TO THE SOUTH THAT THAT COULD DEVELOP AS WELL.

AND THEN I KNOW.

IT'S GOING TO REMAIN BOAT STORAGE IN OUR LIFETIME.

YEAH, WELL, WE THAT'S ON THIS DAIS.

WE HAVE TO TRY TO THINK BEYOND OUR OWN LIFETIMES, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ANOTHER SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE TO THE SOUTH OF THERE.

THAT'S CITY OF GRAPEVINE.

BUT HOPEFULLY ONE DAY, PROBABLY BEYOND ALL OF OUR LIFETIMES, THEY'LL CONNECT.

AND YEAH, SOMEBODY JOGS UP AND DOWN THIS ROAD ALL THE TIME AND IT CAN BE PRECARIOUS.

SOMEDAY SOMEBODY WILL GET THE BENEFIT.

PROBABLY THESE ARE GOING TO BE NICE CUSTOM HOMES.

THERE IS A THERE'S A.

WHAT'S THE AVERAGE PRICE, YOU THINK? NINE FIFTY TO A MILLION THREE.

WE JUST FINISHED A NEIGHBORHOOD IN GRAPEVINE THAT'S SMALLER THAN THIS AND WE'VE SOLD THIRTY NINE IN THE PAST FOURTEEN MONTHS.

AND IRONICALLY, HALF OF THOSE ARE SOUTHLAKE PEOPLE WHOSE CHILDREN ARE GONE.

THEY'RE MOVING DOWN. THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO STAY IN THE AREA, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ON A BIG OLE LOT.

OK, NOW THIS IT HELPS ME TO HEAR NO DRIVEWAYS OR HOME DRIVEWAYS ON LONESOME DOVE, THAT THE SIDEWALK WILL BE THERE, THAT THE WROUGHT IRON WILL BE THERE.

THAT'LL BE A IT'LL BE A AN ENTRANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER IN THE AREA, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OTHER OTHER QUESTIONS FROM? IF IT'S IMPORTANT, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER DRIVEWAY ONTO GRAVEL

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I THINK HE COULD SELL THE LOTS THAT ADJOIN THE BOAT STORAGE AS AN AMENITY.

YOU COULD JUST GO RIGHT THROUGH YOUR BACK AND A BACK DOOR TO YOUR OWN STORAGE SHED.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SPOT ON.

BUT DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE VACANT RIGHT NOW? PROBABLY NONE. YEAH, THERE'S A LONG WAITING LIST.

THEY NEED TO RAISE RENTS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY PAID, AND WHEN I SAY BOAT STORAGE, THAT'S A BIT OF A MISNOMER.

THERE'S A LOT OF CONTRACTORS.

YEAH, AIR CONDITIONED ELECTRICIANS.

THAT'S A CONTRACTOR PLACE THERE.

OK, WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE PUNCHY HERE [INAUDIBLE].

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WE ALL GOOD. THINK WE'RE GOOD.

ONE THING I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WITH STAFF IS ANOTHER THING.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.

AS FAR AS THE ROAD PORTION ON ON OUR CITY OF SOUTHLAKE TRACT, I THINK THE CITY VIEWS THAT FAVORABLY IN TERMS OF ITS IT'S DESIGNED AS SOMETHING THAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD ACCEPT ANYWAY. AND WITHIN THE BROADER APPLICATION ALLOWING ACCESS TO LONESOME DOVE.

AND I KNOW SAFETY IS ALWAYS A BIG FOCUS IN THESE MEETINGS.

IT HELPS TRAFFIC CIRCULATE A LITTLE BETTER AND MAYBE PROMOTE SAFETY IN TERMS OF INSTEAD OF PUSHING A BUNCH OF CARS ON GRAVEL CIRCLE DRIVE, SOUTH GRAVEL CIRCLE DRIVE THAT MIGHT LEAD TO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, I DON'T KNOW DIRECTOR BAKER IS THERE ANYTHING.

YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW FOR THE RECORD.

NO. THAT'S CORRECT. IN THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS FOR PUBLIC ROADS, FOR GRAPEVINE AND SOUTHLAKE OR I THINK.

EXACT. IF NOT VERY SIMILAR.

SO THERE WILL NOT BE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE ROADWAY AS YOU TRANSITION FROM ONE CITY TO THE OTHER IF APPROVED.

OK, OK, THANK YOU.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GOT THAT ON THE RECORD.

SO OK WITH THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ITEM NUMBER EIGHTEEN ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING TO ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

I KNOW I'VE GOT ONE COMMENT CARD FROM A I THINK IT'S JEFF COOK PROBABLY SAID THAT WRONG.

THIRTY THREE EIGHTY NINE FOXFIRE.

WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THAT ITEM.

WHO HAD TO LEAVE. WE'VE GOT PLENTY MORE ITEMS TO GO, OH BOY.

OK, WELL IT'S NOTED FOR THE RECORD ANYWAY, THE HEARING IS STILL OPEN.

IF ANYBODY LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

SEEING NO ONE WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I GUESS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? OK, WE'LL LET YOU GIVE IT A SHOT.

MR. CHAIRMAN. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE NUMBER ZA 21-0053 SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED JULY 30TH, 2021.

AND FURTHER SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW.

SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED JULY 29TH, 2021.

I'M SORRY. IN GRANTING THE REQUESTED VARIANCE RELATING TO COMMON OPEN SPACE.

ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WE HEARD THERE STAFF WE WANT TO ADD IN OR? WISH TO INCLUDE YOUR ACCESS CONCERNS.

YOU SHOULD NOTE THAT IN YOUR MOTION, I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S WRITTEN IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR THEIR THEIR DEVELOPMENT [INAUDIBLE].

DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL NOT INCLUDE ANY DRIVEWAYS ON TO LONESOME DOVE, IS THAT CORRECT? IN OUR OBVIOUSLY DRIVEWAY, I GUESS ON OUR ONE LOT, SINCE THAT'S ALL WE HAVE PURVEY OVER.

SO, OK, WE CAN AMEND THAT.

AND AMENDING MOTION TO NOTE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL NOT INCLUDE INCLUDE ANY DRIVEWAYS WITH ACCESS DIRECTLY ON TO LONESOME DOVE.

OK, WE HAVE A MOTION.

SECOND. WE VOTE.

OK, PASSES 5-0 AND GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONERS. DO WE NEED A QUICK BREAK BEFORE WE POWER THROUGH EVERYTHING ELSE? WELL, LET'S TAKE LET'S TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND I PROMISE WE'VE GOT THIS SET UP TO WHERE WE CAN POWER THROUGH THE REST OF THIS.

SO WE'LL WE'LL ADJOURN OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AND OUR AND OUR SIGN BOARD MEETING FOR JUST A FIVE, FOUR OR FIVE MINUTES.

AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK RECHARGED AND REFRESHED TO POWER THROUGH THE REST OF THIS SO HOLD TIGHT. THANK YOU. OK, I GO AHEAD AND GAVEL THE MEETING BACK IN HERE AT 8:55 PM, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND I PROMISE WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY METHODICAL ABOUT THESE SOME OF THESE WE'VE ALREADY HEARD IN OUR WORK SESSION.

SO THEY WILL NOT REQUIRE FULL STAFF PRESENTATION, WHICH INCLUDES.

WELL, I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO DO A QUICK ONE FOR THIS ONE, DENNIS, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 11 SITE PLAN FOR MESERO.

[11. Consider: ZA21-0064, Site Plan for Mesero]

DENNIS. YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

THIS IS TO ENCLOSE THE FORMER 900 SQUARE FOOT COVERED PATIO AREA ON THE WEST SIDE OF WHAT WAS OCCUPIED IS HOWARD WANG'S RESTAURANT.

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IT ALSO INCLUDES PROPOSAL FOR SEVENTEEN HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT OR APPROXIMATELY SEVENTEEN HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT DECK AREA ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

IT'S LOCATED AT 1451 EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AND I BELIEVE RESTAURANT ADDRESS IS AT 1471 EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

FOURTEEN FIFTY ONE IS THE ADDRESS FOR THE PARENT LOT.

LAND USE DESIGNATION ON SHOPS.

AS THIS IS IN SHOPS OF SOUTHLAKE, OF COURSE IS A TOWN CENTER LAND USE DESIGNATION AND IT'S SP2 GENERALIZE SITE PLAN DISTRICT ZONING.

THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE RESTAURANT.

THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING NORTH AT THE EXISTING PATIO AREA.

THIS IS TO BE ENCLOSED AND MADE INTO INTERIOR RESTAURANT SPACE.

THIS IS A VIEW FROM SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

AND I'LL POINT OUT, THE DECK AREA WOULD BE IN THIS AREA HERE, WHICH IS ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER ELEVATION THAN SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, AND THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING NORTH.

THIS IS FROM THE NORTH OR EXCUSE ME, DRIVEWAY RUNNING SOUTH OF THE RESTAURANT.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED DECK AREA.

THIS ENTRY HERE DOORWAY IS TO BE ADDED.

THIS IS A BAR AREA.

I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BECOME A BAR SERVICE AREA, I BELIEVE.

AND THEN THIS WOULD BE A WOOD OR COMPOSITE TYPE DECK THAT WOULD BASICALLY FLOAT ABOVE THIS DRAINAGE STRUCTURE.

SO THE DRAINAGE WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY THE ADDITION OF THE THE DECK AREA.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN OF THE BUILDING AND ELEVATIONS.

THIS IS THE ELEVATION FOR THE EXISTING PATIO ENCLOSURE ON THE WEST SIDE.

THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING OR EXCUSE ME, THE SOUTH ELEVATION LOOKING NORTH AND THE WEST ELEVATION LOOKING EAST.

AND NORTH ELEVATION WITH THE PATIO ENCLOSURE, AND THIS IS EAST ELEVATION OF THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT WOULD HAVE THE DECK ADDITION, I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE A WINDOW THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE OPENED.

THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THE RESTAURANT, THE DECK AREA PUT IN THIS AREA WOULD BE ACCESSED THROUGH THIS PEDESTRIAN WAY.

AND THEY DO WANT THE ABILITY TO COVER THIS.

THESE ARE SOME PROPOSED CONCEPTS FOR WHICH THEY WOULD DEVELOP SPECIFIC DESIGN PLANS INCORPORATING SOME OF THESE TYPE ELEMENTS.

AND IT IT'S INTENDED TO PRIMARILY BE OPEN, BUT THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO COVER THAT AS WELL. WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND.

QUICK QUESTIONS ON THE EAST PATIO, THERE'S NOT ANY REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE RELATED TO MATERIALS AT THIS TIME? THERE. NO, NO, THEY'RE.

OK. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE THERE WOULD BE JUST GIVEN THE VISIBILITY FROM SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, IT WOULD LIKELY NOT REQUIRE CLADDING OF ANY OF THESE COLUMNS JUST DUE TO THE LIMITED VISIBILITY.

SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING COMES UP IN FUTURE THEY CAN ADDRESS IN COUNCIL.

SO IT'S EITHER REQUIREMENT, IS IT EITHER BE CLAD IN A MASONRY SIMILAR TO THE BUILDING OR BEING ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT TYPE COLUMN WITH.

OK. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? GOOD. OK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD DENNIS, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YOU MIND COMING UP, STATING A NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

GALLERY CLEARED OUT FOR YOU SO.

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THIS WILL BE THE TECHNICALLY, THE NINTH.

NINTH.

FOR A MESERO.

SO WE HAD THE PARKING BECAUSE THIS IS PARK FOR PD FIVE PER 1000.

WE'RE ABOUT 40 PARKS OVER.

AND IT THE AND MR. DYER CAN EXPLAIN IT, BUT WE'RE WE'RE OPENING HE'S DOING BIFOLD DOORS FROM THE EXISTING BAR AND INTO WHAT IS NOW GOING TO BE AN ENCLOSED PATIO AND THE WINDOWS, THE PATIO WILL OPEN.

SO JUST BE OPEN AIR, DENNIS CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT ONE PHOTO THAT SHOWS THE BOTH PATIOS THAT. WE'RE GONNA SEE IF STAFF CAN HOPEFULLY OUT.

THERE NO, THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] OK? WE SIGN TODAY AND WILL NOW ANNOUNCE NEXT WEEK A REPLACEMENT RESTAURANT FOR THE 4200 FEET, WHICH WAS WAS [INAUDIBLE].

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS WHERE WE'VE REMOVED ALL THOSE MIDWESTERN EVERGREENS.

I GREW UP IN DETROIT, SO I DON'T MEAN TO BE NEGATIVE ON THAT.

BUT YOU SEE THEM ALL OVER THERE AND WE'RE REALLY GOING TO REVITALIZE THAT WHOLE AREA BETWEEN THE TWO RESTAURANTS, WHICH IS A LITTLE A LITTLE OVERGROWN AND AND STAID.

AND I THINK WILL THE RESTAURANT WE SIGN WILL WILL PULL OFF THE WE'RE IN AND MUCH MORE ANIMATE UP THERE IN THE CORNER.

SIGNING WHAT WE DID TODAY.

AND WITH MESERO OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, WE'VE WE WOULD REPLACE THE WHOLE 32000 FEET UP THERE IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER.

WE THINK WITH A WITH A BETTER WITH A BETTER CANDIDATE AND BETTER FOR THE MARKET AND MIX.

SO IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT MESERO BE ABLE TO ENCLOSE AND WE HAVE THE PARKING AND THERE'S NO NO ISSUE IN TERMS OF CODE.

SO WE'RE REQUESTING THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.

NOW ON THE EAST SIDE, OK, THAT'S A SICK IT'S AN 18 FOOT TXDOT WALL AT THE HARD CORNER BASIS. IT'S IT'S QUITE [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE WE WE CUT IN TO THE HILL TO JOIN UP WITH WITH OUR FRIENDS AT THE HOSPITAL AND CENTRAL AVENUE.

SO I THINK ANYTHING WE DO IN THAT PATIO AREA WOULD BE INVISIBLE.

FROM SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, WHEN YOU'RE TURNING ON TO CENTRAL AVENUE, I STILL DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE IT WITH THE TOPO.

YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE IT TO YOUR RIGHT WHEN YOU TURN RIGHT AND COME DOWN INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE. MR. DYER AND I HAVEN'T WE REALLY HAD THOUGHT TOO MUCH ABOUT WHAT'S GOING IN THIS PATIO, BUT STAFF ASKED US TO KIND OF GET IT DONE WITH THIS TIME WHEN WE'RE CLOSING THE WESTERN PATIO, THE THE IMAGES THAT WERE SENT WERE FOR FOR FOR THAT ONLY WE HAVEN'T YOU KNOW, IT'S WE'RE NOT GOING TO COVER IT.

HE'S NOT GOING TO COVER THIS PATIO.

IT'LL BE TRELLIS, BUT MAYBE WITH THE PULL THE PULL OVER AWNINGS IN CASE IT RAINS.

BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN OR HE'S DOING AN OUTDOOR BAR, HE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT ADDITION.

AND THE TOPO OF THE SIDEWALK VERSUS THAT INLET, ACTUALLY, IT'S ABOUT SIX INCHES DOWN.

SO WE CAN HAVE THE IT WORKS OUT TO BE NICE AND LEVEL IN TERMS OF ADDING A BATHROOM BACK THERE TO THE TO ACCOMMODATE THE HEALTH SITUATIONS AND MR. DYER'S HERE. AND IF THE DESIGN OF THAT TRELLIS IS IMPORTANT, WE'LL WE'LL COMMIT TO HAVE A DESIGN BY BY COUNCIL, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A WOOD TRELLIS WITH SOME.

BUT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT RAILING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT SHOULD BE A FUN AREA, KIND OF AN ALTERNATIVE AND THAT MR. DYER'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND I THINK JUST TALKING TO STAFF, I MEAN I GUESS, I THINK IT'S, IT'S FINE.

I GUESS TO THE EXTENT THERE'S ANY THING THAT ULTIMATELY IS REQUESTED OUTSIDE OF THE ORDINANCES, THEN THAT'S WHERE YOU'D NEED A VARIANCE.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M TRYING TO BRING IT UP EARLY.

SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

WE COMMIT TO COMPLY.

THAT AND I DON'T THINK THE, THE WAINSCOTING MASONRY AT THE COLUMNS IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. OK.

IN TERMS OF THAT, IT'S YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS HOPE TO DEVELOP THIS, THAT THIS WOULD BE KIND OF A COURTYARD KIND OF COOL AREA.

SO I'M JUST PERSONALLY EXCITED.

[INAUDIBLE] QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS.

NO, NO, NO.

OTHER THAN OTHER THAN WHO'S GOING IN NEXT DOOR.

AND DON'T WORRY, NOBODY WATCHES.

[INAUDIBLE] IT'S YOU KNOW, THE RELEASE WILL BE DROPPED A WEEK FROM TOMORROW.

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CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT I THINK I MISSED THIS, BUT I THINK THAT'S A DRAINAGE AREA THAT WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THE NEW PATIO, IS IT? WELL, IT'S NOT A DRAINAGE.

IT'S INTERESTING. AND I THINK MR. SPRINGER'S FIRM COULD PUT IT IN SO THEY COULD THEY COULD TELL YOU ABOUT IT.

BUT THERE'S A ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, IT STARTS OUT AS AN EIGHT INCH, AN EIGHT INCH STORM SEWER LINE, AND IT GOES NORTH AND IT'S STILL AN EIGHT INCH LINE BEFORE IN BOTH OF THOSE INLETS. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THE INLET'S THAT LARGE, BUT THEN IT GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

SO BY THE TIME IT MAKES THE TURN THE CORNER, IT'S TWIN SIX BY NINE PORT IN PLACE INLETS BECAUSE ALL OF THE DRAINAGE FROM THE ROOF GOES THAT WAY AND IT TURNS AND COMES DOWN CARROLL, AND AVOIDS THE TENSION POND THERE AND ACTUALLY DIES RIGHT IN TO WHERE THE CULVERTS COMES, GOES ACROSS ON CARROLL.

IT'S INTER, THERE'S A BIG OLD PIPES.

BY THE TIME IT GETS TO THE CORNER, IT KEEPS GROWING AND GROWING AS IT GOES.

SO THOSE THOSE INLETS LOOK LIKE THERE'S A BIG PIPE UNDER THERE.

BUT IT'S NOT WE PROBABLY COULD SIZE THOSE A LITTLE SMALLER [INAUDIBLE].

THERE'S A LITTLE OVERENGINEERED.

BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED JUST SAY STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND, ALTHOUGH I THINK YOU'VE DONE THAT ROUTINE HERE BEFORE.

SO I YOU KNOW THAT ONE. BUT YOU MIND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YEAH I THOUGHT. DAVID PALMER 3201 MAPLE DALLAS.

I COULDN'T REMEMBER IF I DID OR NOT.

IT'S GETTING LATE AND WE WOULD COMMIT TO ABIDE BY ON THE PATIO AND ALL OF THE CITY ORDINANCES SO THAT IT COULD BE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WASTE YOUR TIME COMING BACK.

OK, NOW WOULD BE PERFECT.

OK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW.

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK. WE NEED YOU.

ITEM NUMBER ELEVEN REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I KNOW THAT PUBLIC HEARING ANYBODY LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM IS WELCOME TO.

SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.

ANY OTHER DELIBERATIONS OR CAN WE MOVE TO A MOTION? MOVED TO MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE NUMBER ZA21-0064 SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED JULY 30TH, 2021AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED JULY 29TH, 2021.

I HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OK. VOTE PLEASE. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK IN THE NEXT LEVEL.

THANKS FOR HANGING OUT WITH US.

ITEM NUMBER TWELVE ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR MASS GATHERING

[12. Consider: Resolution No. 21-020, (ZA21-0040), Specific Use Permit for a Mass Gathering Event for Diwalifest]

THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE DIWALIFEST.

IT'S TO BE LOCATED IN THE [INAUDIBLE] AND FAMILY PARK AREA OF TOWN SQUARE AND THE PROPOSED DATE FOR THIS YEAR IS OCTOBER 30TH, THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU, THEY ARE ASKING TO HAVE THIS EVENT ONCE A YEAR AND THIS TIME PROXIMITY THROUGH PERPETUITY, SO LONG AS THE EVENT REMAINS WITHIN THE SAME SCOPE AS BEING PRESENTED THIS EVENING.

THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS TOWN CENTER.

THE LOCATION OF THE EVENT IS ON THE TWO PARK AREAS JUST SOUTH OF TOWN HALL.

THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS DT DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.

ONCE AGAIN, AERIAL PHOTO OF THE SITE, AND THIS IS AN EXHIBIT OF THEIR EVENT AREA.

THEY ARE EXPECTING AS MANY AS 4000 PEOPLE DURING THE ONE DAY EVENT, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE FOOD VENDORS, VARIOUS EVENTS FOR ALL AGES, THE EVENT TIME SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN THREE AND EIGHT P.M.

AND. THEY DO WISH TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO INCLUDE FIREWORKS AS PART OF THE EVENT, HOWEVER, THE LOCATION OF THAT HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED.

AND ANY MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, WE'D ASK THAT YOU NOTE THAT LOCATION OF ANY FIREWORKS BE APPROVED BY THE CITY FIRE MARSHAL.

THIS IS SOME PHOTO EXHIBITS FROM PAST EVENTS, THEY HAVE HELD THE EVENT IN THE PARK SOME PAST YEARS. HOWEVER, THE THE ATTENDANCE OF THOSE PARTICULAR EVENTS DID NOT EXCEED WHAT

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AND I BELIEVE THIS PAST YEAR THEY HELD THE EVENT AND THE BICENTENNIAL PARK, WHICH WAS A SLIGHTLY LARGER CROWD THAT WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT BACK HERE TO TOWN SQUARE IN ANTICIPATION OF THE EVENT GOING OVER THE THOUSAND DURING THE ATTENDANCE PERIOD.

THEY ARE REQUESTING THE MASS GATHERING PERMIT.

WITH THAT. BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND THE APPLICANT'S GOT A PRESENTATION AS WELL. NO, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S GREAT.

AND I THINK I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR SENTIMENT THAT WILL DEFER TO THE FIRE MARSHAL ON LOCATIONS FOR FIREWORKS, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE ANYONE UP HERE IS QUALIFIED TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. SO. WELL, MOST OF US ARE NOT ENOUGH TO MEET A QUORUM.

BUT THANK YOU, DR. SPRINGER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

DENNIS? DID YOU SAY THAT THE GRANTING OF THE SUP IS IN PERPETUITY AS OPPOSED TO COMING BACK ANNUALLY AND SO ON? THEY'VE ASKED FOR IT IN PERPETUITY.

AND WHATEVER TIME PERIOD THE COMMISSION WISHES TO RECOMMEND, IT WOULD NEED TO REMAIN WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE EVENT AS THEY HAVE PRESENTED IT WITH THEIR APPLICATION.

I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT'S PROPOSED, ALTHOUGH TECHNICALLY WE'VE KIND OF DONE, YOU KNOW, PLUS OR MINUS THREE YEARS.

WHAT'S THE LONGEST WE'VE EVER DONE.

I IMAGINE THERE'S BEEN SOME SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE HAVE GONE BEYOND THREE YEARS, MAYBE FIVE OR.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, BUT TYPICALLY THEY WERE IN PLACE FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS AND THEN RENTED PERPETUITY.

OK, BUT WE'LL TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? GOOD.

THANK YOU DENNIS. GO AHEAD AND CALL THE APPLICANT UP HERE AND THANK THEM FOR THEIR PATIENCE AS WE GRINDED THROUGH LOCAL GOVERNMENT THIS EVENING.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THESE SLIDES REAL QUICK.

AND I IMAGINE YOU'RE GOING HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT UP HERE.

BUT I'LL LET YOU YOU STAY THIS LONG.

YOU'VE EARNED YOUR POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.

SO.

GOOD EVENING. THIS IS KUSHAL SEVEN ONE SEVEN [INAUDIBLE] PLACE.

I'M GARY [INAUDIBLE] 908 BUCKSHOT ROAD, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

OK, THANK YOU. SO SOUTHLAKE FOUNDATION, A NONPROFIT, WE'RE A NONPROFIT THAT OPERATES IN SOUTHLAKE AND FAIRLY ACTIVE.

WE DO A LOT OF ACTIVITIES WITHIN SOUTHLAKE.

SO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THAT TIME, I'LL TRY AND GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION FAIRLY QUICKLY. IT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT WE'LL SKIP SOME SLIDES.

SO IT'S ABOUT THE DIWALIFEST.

THIS WILL BE OUR FOURTH YEAR DOING IT.

PRESENTATION TALKS ABOUT FOUR ITEMS. WE'LL SKIP SOME OF THEM.

SOUTHLAKE FOUNDATION, THAT'S A NONPROFIT THAT WE OPERATE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS, 100 PLUS VOLUNTEERS WITHIN THE CITY.

AND WE DO A QUITE A FEW ACTIVITIES AROUND THE CITY.

IT IS THE ALL THE EFFORTS FOR THIS NONPROFIT IS FOCUSED WITHIN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, OUR VISION TO PROMOTE, PARTICIPATE AND PROGRESS, TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER, TO WORK TOGETHER. MISSION IS TO CREATE A PLATFORM FOR LIKE MINDED PEOPLE TO COME TOGETHER AND CONTRIBUTE TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY EVEN A BETTER PLACE.

AND WHAT WE DO, WE PROMOTE ALL CULTURES, VARIOUS EVENTS, HOST LUNCHES, CANDIDATE FORUM, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS IN DETAIL IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES AS WELL.

OUR VALUES, WE ARE INCLUSIVE, BROAD MINDED, CREATIVE.

INTEGRITY, RESPECT AND PASSION ARE THE THREE ITEMS THAT WE FOLLOW.

WE ADDED INNOVATION TO IT AFTER COVID.

WE HOSTED A LOT OF WEBINARS.

FOUNDATION, AGAIN, WAS [INAUDIBLE] BRAINCHILD AND THE DIWALIFEST WAS ONE OF OUR FIRST SIGNATURE EVENT. WE'VE DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

FIRST EVENT WAS FAIRLY SMALL, AND JUST IN PAVILION AND GREW INTO A DECENT SIZED EVENT THAT EVERYBODY LOOKS LOOKS UP TO AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HOSTING.

IT GETS US GOING AGAIN, YOU KNOW.

WELL, GETS A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED WITHIN THE CITY, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE ABOUT IT. SOME OF THE CAMPAIGNS THAT WE HAVE DONE IS OUR APPRECIATION LUNCH AS WE DO AT LEAST ONE, SOMETIMES TWO EVERY MONTH.

AND WE HAVE DONE IT FOR THE POLICE DETECTIVES AND FIREFIGHTERS.

THE TRASH AND RECYCLING GUYS, THE PUBLIC WORKS, CITY OFFICE SCHOOLS.

WE HAVE DONE SCHOOL CLEAN UPS, THE PARKING LOT CLEANUPS WE HAVE DONE THIS YEAR.

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A LOT OF PEOPLE, AGAIN, INVOLVED THE IDEA OF BRINGING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.

WE SAW IT THERE, WE ARE.

WE HAVE WE HAD A GREAT RESPONSE ON THAT.

CANDIDATE FORUM FOR THE ELECTIONS AND CISD FORUMS THAT WE HOSTED THIS YEAR WAS THE THIRD ONE WILL BE DOING WELL NEXT YEAR AS WELL.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S AN UNBIASED FORUM WHERE ALL CANDIDATES COME IN AND EVERYONE IS ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE AND ASK QUESTIONS AND APPRECIATION LUNCHES CELEBRATE SOUTHLAKE THROUGH WEBINARS. HOPEFULLY WE DO IT LIKE THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN SROS WE HAVE DONE THOSE LUNCHES AND THE DIWALIFEST, WHICH WILL BE THE FOURTH YEAR FOR US THIS YEAR AND WOULD LIKE YOUR SUPPORT TO DO IT EVERY YEAR IF POSSIBLE.

AND DIWALIFEST, WE CAN SKIP THIS EVENT.

I MEAN, IT TALKS ABOUT DIWALI, WHICH IS A FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS.

IT SYMBOLIZES LIGHT OVER DARKNESS, KNOWLEDGE OVER IGNORANCE.

AND PRETTY MUCH THE IDEA IS YOU GET TOGETHER, YOU HAVE FUN AND YOU GO TO FIREWORKS AND I'LL SKIP THROUGH THESE SLIDES.

SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR LAST YEARS.

WE HAVE SEEN THE PHOTOGRAPHS.

THEY SPEAK FOR ITSELF.

THE PARTICIPATION THAT WE SEE FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM THE CITIZENS OF SOUTHLAKE IS IS OVERWHELMING. WE ALREADY HAVE KIDS GETTING REGISTERED FOR THE PERFORMANCES AND.

WE USUALLY OPEN AT THE END OF AUGUST, BUT THIS YEAR WE HAVE STARTED THE REGISTRATIONS EARLY AUGUST, SO I REALLY HOPE WE CAN GET THESE PERMISSIONS.

FIRST YEAR WAS ADDRESSED AT RUSSIN PAVILION.

WE GOT GREAT SUPPORT FROM THE CITY.

PARTICIPATION WAS AMAZING.

FOOD WAS GOOD.

WE DID THE FIREWORKS LAST YEAR AT BICENTENNIAL BECAUSE OF COVID.

WE DIDN'T DO ANY HUGE GATHERING OR PEOPLE CLOSE BY.

SO FIREWORKS WAS GREAT.

WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT AGAIN.

WE'RE IN TOUCH WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL AND FINDING A VENUE THAT WE CAN USE AND DO THE FIREWORKS. BUT IF WE COULD GET IT, THERE WOULD BE GREAT.

THE EXPECTATION FOR US.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATION WILL HAVE FOOD AGAIN, VENDORS, VENDOR BOOTHS, CITY, CITY BUSINESSES. THEY DO COME AND VOLUNTEER AND PARTICIPATE AT THE EVENT.

THERE'S A CONCERT STYLE PERFORMANCES DONE BY THE KIDS FROM THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AND ADULTS ALSO.

AND THEN FIREWORKS.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL ALREADY.

WE HAVE ANOTHER FOLLOW UP MEETING.

BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME TO A VENUE WHERE WE CAN DO THE FIREWORKS.

AND SOME OF THE IMPORTANT DATES IS THAT IT'S ON OCTOBER 30TH.

LOVE, LOVE TO SEE YOU GUYS THERE.

IF YOU CAN SPREAD THE WORD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER.

YEAH. NO, THANK YOU. THAT'S THIS HAS BEEN GREAT.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S LATE, IT WAS KIND OF FUN TO GO THROUGH THAT POWERPOINT BECAUSE I'LL ADMIT I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT IT AND IT WAS GREAT TO LEARN EVEN MORE ABOUT IT.

AND I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, ON FACEBOOK OR WHATEVER, JUST HOW INVOLVED THIS GROUP'S BEEN WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE GOOD IT DOES WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND IT'S JUST SUCH A GREAT POSITIVE EXAMPLE TO TALK ABOUT IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT I THINK MORE PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN ABOUT IN TERMS ALL THE WAYS YOU HELP OUT IN THE SCHOOLS OR THE COMMUNITY. THIS EVENT, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY NEAT AND AN UNIQUE EVENT THAT WE HAVE HERE AND WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS MEETING, MAYBE TRY TO COORDINATE AHEAD OF TIME WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEY CAN HOPEFULLY GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO GO THROUGH THIS. THEY THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE THEY HAVE MORE RATINGS THAN WE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTENTION. SO YOU'LL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE POSITIVE, YOU KNOW, PR OUT THERE ABOUT THE EVENT. SO TRY TO COORDINATE AHEAD OF TIME WITH THEM SO YOU CAN FLIP THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION WITH THEM AS WELL SO THEY CAN HELP GET THE WORD OUT.

SO OBVIOUSLY, IT'S THIS IS ONE OF THE FUN APPLICATIONS UP HERE.

THIS ONE'S NOT AS HARD AS SOME OF THE OTHERS.

SO ANYBODY WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, ANY OTHER, WE CAN GET INTO THE THE TIME ASPECT IN A SECOND. BUT I GUESS ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS JUST IN GENERAL OR I GUESS YOU GO AHEAD. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

SO HOPEFULLY IT'LL IT'LL GO OFF WITHOUT A HITCH.

ON THE TIMING REAL QUICK.

I GUESS TYPICALLY WE PUT A TIME FRAME ON THESE, I GUESS.

ARE YOU OPPOSED? IF WE ATTACH SOME A TIME FRAME, WHETHER IT'S THREE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AS A COMMISSION JUST AND IT'S MORE IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN AFTER

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I MEAN, I GUESS I WOULD SUPPOSE IF YOU DID IT FOR THREE TO FIVE YEARS AND EVERYTHING'S JUST GOING PERFECTLY, IT COULD BE KIND OF LIKE EVENTUALLY LIKE ART IN THE SQUARE OR SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN GOING FOREVER.

AND YOU COULD JUST MAYBE THEN YOU COULD CONSIDER PERPETUITY, I GUESS AT THAT POINT.

WOULD THAT BE KIND OF A DECENT PRECEDENT? I GUESS KEN OR? TYPICALLY THE OTHER EVENTS WERE GIVEN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD.

AND AFTER [INAUDIBLE] PERFORMANCE AND EVALUATION, THEN THEY REQUESTED PERPETUITY.

THE THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THREE THREES, PRETTY STANDARD TIME PERIOD.

AND THEN THE PROCESS WOULD BE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK TO RENEW THE SUP IN THREE YEARS.

AND KEN I GUESS TO THE EXTENT THAT I KNOW THIS, YOU KNOW, THESE SUPS ARE KIND OF NAILED DOWN TO A SPECIFIC AREA.

SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT IT CONTINUES TO GROW, LIKE, I THINK THEY'D HOPE IT WOULD, I GUESS TO IF THEY NEED TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK ANYWAY.

RIGHT. IN TERMS OF THE FIREWORKS, I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION ALLOW LATITUDE IF THOSE COULD BE LOCATED OUTSIDE THE PARAMETERS IN CASE IT'S LOCATED ALONG THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. SO OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY THAT'S IDENTIFIED THAT THEY'RE GIVEN THAT FLEXIBILITY. SO OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY JUST SO LONG AS FIRE MARSHALS OK, WE'RE OK.

AND THAT'S OK. I THINK WE CAN MAKE SURE WE NOTE THAT, I GUESS.

GO AHEAD. JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WE HAVE THIS WILL BE OUR FOURTH YEAR DOING IT.

SO WE HAVE DONE THREE SUCCESSFULLY WITH THE CITY'S APPROVAL AND WITH THEIR FEEDBACK, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET TO GET AN APPROVAL FOR FIVE YEARS.

I'D LOVE TO SEE YOU AGAIN, BUT MAYBE ON ANOTHER MATTER.

WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME.

TRUST ME, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO SEE US SOMETIMES.

OK, WELL, WE'LL WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AS A COMMISSION AND WE'LL CRAFT A MOTION ON THAT, I GUESS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR OUR APPLICANT WHILE WE HAVE THEM HERE? THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, SO ARE YOU PLANNING ON SHUTTING DOWN ALL THE STREETS SURROUNDING THE PARKS AS WELL, YOU KNOW TRAFFIC FLOW? NO, NOT AT THIS POINT.

NO, JUST THE STREET THAT'S IN FRONT OF CITY HALL AND IN BETWEEN THE PARK AND JUST IN THE SQUARE. OK, YEAH, RIGHT.

NOT FOR NOW UNTIL IT POTENTIALLY GROWS.

YEAH. OK, OTHER QUESTIONS REAL QUICK.

ARE WE GOOD. OK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE.

BUT THANK YOU FOR STICKING IT OUT TONIGHT.

REAL QUICKLY, ITEM NUMBER 12 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING NOW.

IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

PLEASE COME FORWARD AND SEEING NO ONE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, COMMISSION. I THINK REALLY ONLY ITEM HERE IS THREE OR FIVE YEARS IN TERMS OF.

I ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORT GIVING FIVE YEARS.

ALRIGHT WE GOT ONE VOTE FOR FIVE AND THE OTHER ENTHUSIASTIC.

LOOKING AT THE HISTORY THAT WE HAVE IN THE PACKET HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE MOST ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE IN PERPETUITY ARE FIVE YEARS.

SO I'D BE GOOD WITH FIVE.

OK, SO I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO WITH FIVE YEARS AND I SUSPECT THEY'LL PROBABLY BE BACK BEFORE THAT. HONESTLY, ENLARGE THE SCOPE OF IT ANYWAY.

SO, OK, WE'LL GO FOR FIVE YEARS AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN CRAFT A MOTION HERE TO CONSIDER.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE NUMBER ZZ 21-0040 SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED JULY 30TH, 2021.

AND THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT STAFF REVIEW NUMBER TWO DATED MAY 28TH 2021, GRANTING AN SUP FOR FIVE YEARS AS LONG AS THE SCOPE AND LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED FESTIVAL WILL REMAIN AS THEY ARE TODAY.

AND ALSO NOTING THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSIDER THE LAUNCH LOCATION OF A FIRE FIREWORKS SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE CITY FIRE MARSHAL AND NOTING THAT THAT COULD FALL OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY OF THE FESTIVAL ITSELF.

WELL CRAFTED MOTION.

WE HAVE MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. OK LET'S VOTE, PLEASE, AND THE MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

AND AGAIN, I'D COORDINATE AHEAD OF TIME WITH COUNCIL, AND I'M SURE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO HELP YOU KIND OF CONDUCT A LITTLE BIT OF AN INFOMERCIAL AS WELL TO CONTINUE TO GET THE WORD OUT. SO THANK YOU.

OK, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR OR THIRTEEN THIRTEEN ON OUR AGENDA.

[13. Consider: Ordinance No. 480-671 c (ZA21-0045), Zoning Change and Site Plan for Pieter Andries Jeweler]

THE SITE PLAN FOR THE JEWELER THAT HAS COME IN FRONT OF US SEVERAL TIMES, DOWN 1709.

AND DENNIS, I THINK THIS IS THE ONE WHERE WE DON'T REALLY NEED A FULL PRESENTATION.

I THINK YOU WERE JUST GOING TO KIND OF GO TO THE SITE.

YEAH. THIS SITE PLAN EDITION, THIS I GUESS THE YOU KNOW, THIS WILL KIND OF NOTE THE CHANGES ON IT THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.

I THINK THEY'RE RELATIVE TO SOME ACCOMMODATIONS ON SITE FOR SECURITY.

I GUESS MAYBE. DENNIS, ANYTHING YOU JUST POINT OUT ON THIS SITE PLAN OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS?

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THEY ARE PROPOSING ADDING WHICH IS JUST UNDER 200 SQUARE FEET IN THIS AREA.

SHOWN CROSSHATCH AN ADDITIONAL AREA WITHIN THE BUILDING FOR A GARDEN OBSERVATION AREA. AND THIS IS THE ELEVATION RED LINE SHOWS WHERE THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IS AND THIS AREA, THE ADDITION, IT WILL MATCH THE EXISTING MATERIALS AND DESIGN OF THE CURRENT BUILDING FAÇADE AND DOES NOT CREATE ANY OTHER NOTED ZONING ISSUES.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTION.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. OK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD, DENNIS, I KNOW WE COVERED THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN WORK SESSION, I BELIEVE, A LITTLE BIT.

SO WE'LL GO INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND I THINK PROBABLY JUST DOING Q&A IS FINE UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC.

GOOD EVENING. I'M ROBERT GARZA WITH OUR RPJ ARCHITECTS 101 SOUTH JENNINGS AVENUE, FORT WORTH, TEXAS. OK, ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR STICKING IT OUT TONIGHT.

ITEM NUMBER 13 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

WE'LL GO AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM AND SEEING ONE. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT MR. ANDRES IS A GREAT SUPPORTER OF THE THE CITY AND IS INVOLVED WITH ALL KINDS OF CHARITY EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM DO ANYTHING THAT WASN'T TOP NOTCH.

SO I THINK HE'LL PROBABLY DO THE SAME HERE.

YEAH, NO, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

AND AND KIND OF LIKE I THINK THE LAST APPLICANTS OR THE LAST COUPLE APPLICANTS SAID THEY FEEL LIKE WE'VE SEEN THESE CASES FROM THEM SEVERAL TIMES.

I'M SURE THEY'D LIKE TO NEVER SEE US AGAIN FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

NO OFFENCE. SO GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

OK, I THINK WITH THAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 13.

OK, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE NUMBER ZA 21-0045 SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT REVISED AS OF AUGUST 5TH, 2021.

AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEWS SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED JULY 30TH, 2021.

WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

VOTE PLEASE. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

ITEM NUMBER FOURTEEN ON OUR AGENDA IS A SITE PLAN FOR KIRKWOOD OAK'S VESTIBULE.

[14. Consider: ZA21-0046, Site Plan for Kirkwood Oaks Vestibule]

AND WE CAN SEE IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.

I KNOW, WE LOOKED AT THIS EARLIER.

IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT, I THINK KIND OF THE ENTRYWAY.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY MEANT TO BE MORE RENTABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE PER SAY FOR TENANTS IN TERMS OF INCREASING DENSITY.

THIS IS A NICE ONE. AND I THINK THERE WAS THE THE SLIDE THAT, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD ONE TOO, SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINT FROM THE PARKING GARAGE AS WELL.

OH YEAH, THE WALKWAY.

AND THEN, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IT, I GUESS BACK THERE.

THIS IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT THE ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY'S HERE AND THEN THEY ARE ADDING A CONNECTION FROM THE PRIVATE SABRE DRIVE INTO THE GROUND PARKING.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS? DENNIS I'M ASSUMING THIS HAS ALL THE ADA REQUIREMENTS CONSIDERED LIKE FOR WHEELCHAIR RAMPS, THINGS LIKE THAT? YES. THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET ALL THE ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WHAT NEED THE REQUIRED INSPECTION BEFORE WE WOULD FINALIZE.

SO VERY GOOD.

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I HAVE A QUESTION ON KIRKWOOD.

IS THERE A MEDIAN IN FRONT OF THESE.

THERE IS ON KIRKWOOD, YES.

THERE'S A BREAK HERE.

AND THE THIS IS BASICALLY RIGHT IN.

RIGHT OUT, OK.

OK, OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

THANK YOU, DENNIS.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LET THE APPLICANT COME UP FOR ITEM NUMBER 14, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

AND I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY JUST MAYBE KEEP IT Q&A IN TERMS OF JUST GO.

YES. YES. GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME'S NICK FARAN, SEVEN ZERO EIGHT ONE [INAUDIBLE] PLACE, THE COLONY, TEXAS.

AND I, I THINK I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF.

SO, OK, I MIGHT I MIGHT JUST ASK MAYBE JUST A BIGGER PICTURE, WHAT'S DRY.

I MEAN, I THINK IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR REAL ESTATE HERE IN TOWN IS GENERALLY VIEWED FAVORABLY. SO I THINK WE APPRECIATE IT.

BUT WHAT'S DRIVING IT ANY I MEAN, IS IT THAT THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE MULTI-TENANTED OR ARE WE TRYING TO KIND OF UPGRADE CERTAIN THINGS THAT MAYBE WERE MORE SINGLE TENANT DRIVEN OR OWNER USER DRIVEN OR WHAT? WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT'S THE BIGGER PICTURE GOAL HERE? MARK, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT ONE? DO YOU MIND IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AS WELL.

YES. I'M MARK DILWORTH.

I'M THE ARCHITECT WORKING WITH [INAUDIBLE] PARTNERS.

AND MY ADDRESS IS 3303 LEE PARKWAY IN DALLAS.

THANK YOU. AND, YOU KNOW, THE THE DRIVING THING IS THAT THESE TWO BUILDINGS WERE BUILT AS THE FIRST TWO BUILDINGS OF A LARGER MASTER PLAN, CORPORATE MASTER PLAN FOR SABRE.

I THINK THERE WAS GOING TO BE EIGHT OR TEN BUILDINGS AND ONLY BUILDING A OR THE THE THE ONE TO THE NORTH WAS THE PUBLIC ENTRANCE.

AND SO IT HAS IT HAS AN ENTRANCE AND AN OCCUPIED FLOOR AT THE LEVEL OF SABRE DRIVE.

THE OTHER BUILDINGS WERE INTENDED TO OPEN TO A SHARED GREENWAY IN BETWEEN THE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS. BUT, YOU KNOW, TIME PASSES AND NEEDS, YOU KNOW, CHANGE.

AND SO THE SECOND BUILT WELL.

AND SO THEN THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP [INAUDIBLE] PARTNERS AND THEIR INVESTORS HAVE PURCHASED IT.

SABRE DOESN'T NEED BOTH BOTH BUILDINGS.

SO THEY'RE MOVING FOR THE MOST PART INTO BUILDING A OR THE FIRST BUILDING THAT WAS ALWAYS THERE. THEIR ENTRANCE, OR THEIR, THEIR PUBLIC ADDRESS.

BUT BUILDING B, WHICH IT'S FIRST OCCUPIED LEVEL, IS THE SAME LEVEL AS THE SECOND LEVEL OF BUILDING A, AND IT'S 18 FEET, A LITTLE OVER 18 FEET ABOVE SABRE DRIVE.

AND SO BASICALLY THIS AND SO NOW IT IS INTENDED TO BECOME A LEASE OFFICE BUILDING.

AND TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PERCEIVED IDENTIFIABLE ENTRY OR FRONT DOOR.

AND SO THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS EXERCISE IS TO CREATE AN IMAGEABLE ENTRANCE WHERE YOU ENTER THE BUILDING IMMEDIATELY AT AT THE LEVEL OF SABRE DRIVE, AND THEN YOU TRANSITION WITHIN THIS STRUCTURE.

AND IT ALSO PROVIDES SORT OF A TENANT LOUNGE AREA LOBBY.

THERE'S NO MORE RENTAL SPACE.

OK, AND I GUESS AND IS THIS THIS IS JUST BEING KIND OF DONE IN GENERAL TO MAKE THE BUILDING JUST MORE DESIRABLE.

IT'S NOT FOR ANY SPECIFIC TENANT THAT THEY'VE LEASED IT TO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST GENERAL IMPROVEMENTS. NO IT JUST I THINK THE OLD ADAGE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LEASING A BUILDING OR A HOUSE OR ANYTHING, PEOPLE HAVE TO DRIVE UP AND SEE, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT DOOR AND IMAGINE HOW THEY'RE VISITORS AND GUESTS WOULD BE ABLE TO GET IN. AND SO I THINK MOST OF THE TENANTS WILL STILL ACCESS THE BUILDING FROM THE GARAGE ON THE BRIDGE WITH THE NEW CONNECTION INTO THAT LOBBY SPACE.

BUT THE GUESTS, THEIR VISITORS WILL PARK IN THE SURFACE LOT.

AND SO WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO CREATE A SENSE OF ENTRANCE OR ARRIVAL FOR THEM.

OK, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

JUST ONE, WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT OR WHAT IS THE THOUGHT BEHIND ADDING AN ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY ON THE PARKING LOT THERE? WELL, THE THE ONE THE ONE OFF OF SABRE DRIVE WAS REALLY AN IDENTIFIED DEFICIENCY, IF YOU WILL, TO [INAUDIBLE] PARTNERS AND TO US.

AND THAT IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE COMING THERE AS A VISITOR TO THIS OFFICE BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT AN ADDRESS ON SABRE DRIVE AND YOU TURN IN ON SABRE DRIVE, THEN YOU REALIZE THERE'S NO PLACE FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, TO PARK.

YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING, BUT YOU CAN'T GET TO IT.

YOU HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY BACK OUT AND AROUND ON KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD.

AND SO THAT THAT CUT OFF OF SABRE DRIVE, WE , WE FEEL LIKE IT'S ESSENTIAL.

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BUT IT'S THE IDEA THERE WAS THAT IT IT GIVES YOU THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO TURN IN AND SEE THE ENTRANCE. SO WHEN YOU TURN IN THAT DRIVE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NEW ENTRANCE, YOU'RE LOOKING UP THE HILL TO THE NEW ENTRANCE.

AND IT WAS JUST AND THAT'S WHERE VISITOR PARKING WOULD BE SORT OF FOCUSED UPON THAT AREA.

WE WOULD. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S BASICALLY THE IDEA.

IT'S NOT ESSENTIAL, WE DON'T THINK.

BUT THE ONE OFF OF SABRE DRIVE, WE THINK IT'S JUST FROM A FUNCTIONAL POINT OF VIEW, IT'S ESSENTIAL. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO WILL THIS THING HAVE ITS OWN AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM IN THERE I'M SEEING WITH ALL THIS GLASS, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO COME OFF THE EXISTING SYSTEMS IN THE BUILDING.

SO I'M ASSUMING IT PROBABLY IS GOING TO BE SELF-CONTAINED.

PRETTY MUCH? YES. WE THERE WILL BE UNITS WITHIN THE BUILDING.

YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, I'M THE ARCHITECT, NOT THE MECHANICAL ENGINEER.

BUT WE HAVE UNITS IN IN THE PLANNING SPACE BETWEEN THE GROUND LEVEL AND WHAT WE CALL THE FIRST LEVEL, BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST OCCUPIED LEVEL.

BUT THEY WILL UTILIZE CHILLED WATER AND STEAM FROM THE CENTRAL PLANT BECAUSE IT'S DESIGNED TO SUPPORT EIGHT BUILDINGS.

GOT IT. OK, GOOD.

THAT'S GOOD PLAN.

CAPACITY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OK, NOW I THINK WE'RE I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

APPRECIATE IT. IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE THESE APPLICATIONS IN FRONT OF US WITH SOMEBODY JUST APPROVING A BUILDING KIND OF ON THEIR OWN VOLITION.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

SO IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, OK.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER 14 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM THIS EVENING AND SEEING NO ONE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ABOUT ANYTHING WE SAW? EVERYBODY GOOD? WE REALLY TALK ABOUT THE VARIANCES SPECIFICALLY RELATING TO STACKING AND SPACING, BUT AS I LOOK AT THEM AND WHAT THEY'VE DEFINED, I DON'T SEE ANY PARTICULAR ISSUES THAT ARE A CONCERN. YEAH, I THINK THE DRIVEWAY WAS I MEAN, I THINK IT'S RELATIVE TO WHAT THEY WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT, WHERE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THEY JUST TALKED ABOUT, THEN THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A VARIANCE RELATED TO IT THAT THAT YOU FOCUS IN ON.

SO. EVERYBODY GOOD? YEAH, WE DEFINITELY WE NEED TO NOTE THOSE VARIANCES IN THE MOTION, BUT YES.

OK, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE NUMBER ZA 21- 0046 SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED JULY 30TH, 2021.

AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED JULY 29TH, 2021.

AND SPECIFICALLY GRANTING THE VARIANCES RELATED TO STACKING AND SPACING OF THE DRIVEWAY.

OK, WE'VE GOT A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. OK, GO AND VOTE PLEASE.

PASSES FIVE ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

APPRECIATE IT. STICKING IT OUT TONIGHT.

LAST ITEM ON OUR REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA BEFORE WE GET INTO THE SIGN BOARD MEETING IS ITEM NUMBER SIXTEEN, WHICH IS A SITE PLAN FOR METHODIST SOUTHLAKE

[16. Consider: ZA21-0050, Site Plan for Methodist Southlake Hospital Emergency Department and Nuclear Medicine Expansion]

I KNOW STAFF CAN MAYBE PUT UP THE PERTINENT SLIDE IN TERMS OF SHOWING KIND OF WHERE EXACTLY THERE IT IS THAT THE IMPROVEMENT IS GOING TO BE MADE.

IT'S ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING KIND OF FRONTING HIGHLAND.

I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY RESIDENT ADVERSE RESIDENT FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT.

IT'S FAIRLY HIDDEN.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY VARIANCES RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, BUILDING MATERIALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I GUESS.

DENNIS, ANYTHING YOU'D ADD TO THIS? NP, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC SLIDE I HAVEN'T SHOWN HERE, I'D BE GLAD TO [INAUDIBLE]. ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DENNIS.

WE'LL GO AHEAD. CALL UP THE APPLICANT NOW WHO'S BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING HERE.

AND I DON'T I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY MORE TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY Q&A FOR YOU OR NOT.

SURE. MY NAME IS MARK ROEN.

2218 BRIAN STREET, DALLAS IS OUR OFFICE ADDRESS REPRESENTING PERKINS [INAUDIBLE] THE THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD HAVE ALSO WITH ME OWNER REPRESENTATION AS WELL AS OUR OUR CIVIL AND LANDSCAPE CIVIL ENGINEER, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AS WELL.

JUST PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

[02:50:01]

BUT THE DESIRE HERE IS FOR IT TO BE MORE CONTIGUOUS WITH THE ACTUAL HOSPITAL SPACE.

WHEN THE WHEN THE ORIGINAL HOSPITAL WAS DEVELOPED, IT WAS DEVELOPED WITH A REALLY SMALL EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. AND SO BASICALLY OUR OUR PLUS OR MINUS SIX THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT ADDITION IS ADDING TREATMENT SPACES TO THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT ITSELF.

AND SO WE ACTUALLY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MADE IT EVEN LARGER, BUT WE'RE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT LANDLOCKED IN OUR CURRENT EXPANSION SPOT.

BUT I BELIEVE WE TAKE IT FROM JUST THREE TREATMENT SPACES UP TO TWELVE OR THIRTEEN.

SO IT'LL BE A VAST IMPROVEMENT FOR FOR THE FACILITY AND FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

OKAY. NO, APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK.

THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA ITEM SIXTEEN DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM AND SEEING NO ONE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS SITE PLAN, REQUEST OR SHALL WE CONSIDER MOTION? ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ZA 21-0050 SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED JULY 30TH, 2021.

ALSO SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE, DATED JULY 30TH, 2021.

OK WE HAVE MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

OK, LET'S GO VOTE, PLEASE.

AND PASSES 5-0, CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

APPRECIATE IT. GUYS, THANKS FOR BEING IN THE COMMUNITY, WITH THAT.

THAT WRAPS UP OUR OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AND WE'LL PROGRESS.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.