Aug 19, 2021 Planning and Zoning Commission

[1. Call to Order.]

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GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND GET THINGS STARTED ON TIME TONIGHT.

IT IS SIX THIRTY P.M.

ON THE DOT. AND WELCOME TO THE AUGUST 19TH, 2021 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. MY NAME IS DAN KUBIAK.

I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF OUR COMMISSION AND WE'LL TRY TO GET THINGS GOING ON TIME.

LIKE I SAID, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS.

[4. Chairman Comments.]

SO I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY ACTION WE NEED TO TAKE ON THAT ITEM.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS JUST ANNOUNCED THAT IT IS BEING WITHDRAWN.

SO THAT'S ITEM NUMBER THIRTEEN, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF A PLAT REVISION.

AND CONTINENTAL PARK ESTATES.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, AND WE'LL DO THAT HERE IN A SECOND, IS GOING TO BE TABLED TO OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ON SEPTEMBER 9TH.

SO WE'LL ADDRESS THAT. OTHERWISE, WE WILL TAKE ALL THE ITEMS FOR OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA IN ORDER THIS EVENING OF THE AGENDA.

AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO OUR SIGNBOARD MEETING AGENDA AND THEN CALL IT A NIGHT.

AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE, TYPICALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WE WILL FOR EACH ITEM WILL HAVE CITY STAFF PRESENTATION, WE'LL HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON EACH ITEM WHERE YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND STATE ANY COMMENTS YOU WANT.

I DON'T SEE OVERLY A JAM PACKED GALLERY TONIGHT.

SO TYPICALLY WE TRY TO ASK YOU TO KEEP IT TO THREE MINUTES.

BUT WE'LL PUT YOU ON THE HONOR SYSTEM THIS EVENING, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

AND WE'LL, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSES, WILL DELIBERATE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE APPLICANT MAY OR MAY NOT GO TO CITY COUNCIL, WILL TRY TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THE PROCESS WORKS FROM THERE.

SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT COVERS MY CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS.

BUT WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS THIS EVENING.

NO, SIR. OK. ALL RIGHT, THEN.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE IN TO THE CONSENT AGENDA OF THIS EVENING'S MEETING, WHERE WE'LL

[CONSENT AGENDA:]

AND I THINK WE TYPICALLY TAKE THESE ALL AT ONE TIME.

BUT I GUESS I'LL DEFER TO THE VICE CHAIRMAN IF, HOWEVER, HE WANTS TO ADDRESS IT.

WE'VE GOT THAT ITEM WE'VE GOT WITHDRAWING SUP, ITEM NUMBER SIX AND WE'VE GOT TABLING ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

SO I'LL DEFER TO YOU ON HOW YOU WANT TO APPROACH THAT.

BUT MAYBE I'LL JUST ALLOW ANY COMMENTS ON THE MEETING MINUTES, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THAT BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN ANY MOTIONS.

WE'RE ALL GOOD THERE, JOE I WILL LET YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE OUR CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE MINUTES FROM THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON AUGUST 5TH.

ITEM NUMBER SIX, A WITHDRAW OF ZA21-0062, AND ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS TABLING OF THAT ITEM, ZA21-0044, UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER 9TH MEETING.

MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ALL OF THOSE.

OK, WE HAVE A MOTION, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A MOTION THAT COVERS THE BASIS HERE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, OK, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOW WE WILL GO INTO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA THIS EVENING WITH ITEM NUMBER

[8. Consider: ZA21-0057, Site Plan, to include a variance to the Masonry Ordinance No. 557]

THIS IS A SITE PLAN FOR A PROPERTY, I THINK THAT'S ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD OVER VILLAGE IN CENTER. WE REVIEWED THIS ITEM IN OUR WORK SESSION.

A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.

I THINK CITY STAFF WAS JUST GOING TO MAYBE JUST GIVE US A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS, SHOW US THE FACADE, MAYBE EXPLAIN WHY THIS ONE, I BELIEVE, HAS A VARIANCE REQUEST.

SO, DENNIS, I'LL HAND IT TO YOU REAL QUICK.

SURE, THE PHOTO ON SCREENS, THE CURRENT BUILDING FACADE ALONG SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, THE RENDERING AND THIS EXHIBIT IS PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE WESTERN TENANT SPACE FOR A NEW TENANT, NATUZZI EDITIONS.

THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ADD THIS, ARCHITECTURAL METAL PANELS ON THE ENTRY FACADE OF THE BUILDING. THE CURRENT BUILDING WAS BUILT AT A PERIOD OF TIME ON THE MASONRY ORDINANCE, RECOGNIZED EIFS AS A PERMITTED MASONRY MATERIAL MASONRY ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED AND REMOVED EIFS AS A CONFORMING MASONRY MATERIAL.

SO 100 PERCENT OF THE BUILDING IS THE EXTERIOR IS AN EIFS TYPE STUCCO PRODUCT.

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AND SO FOR THAT REASON, YOU ARE CONSIDERING A SITE PLAN ALONG WITH A MASONRY VARIANCE TO THE CITY'S MASONRY ORDINANCE.

OK, SO A LITTLE BIT OF A LEGACY ISSUE HERE, I THINK, JUST TO BE AWARE OF.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM .

OK, GOOD FOR NOW.

OK, THANK YOU, DENNIS.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND INVITE THE APPLICANT UP HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING. DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT IN THE GALLERY? ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, SITE PLAN FOR OUR SHOPPING CENTER AND VILLAGE CENTER.

SO STAFF, I GUESS QUICK ADVICE ON THIS ONE IN TERMS OF I WASN'T SURE IF THERE'S ANY MAYBE PREVIOUS COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE APPLICANT'S NOT PRESENT. YOU CAN VOTE ON IT, YOU CAN TABLE IT OR YOU CAN MOVE IT TO THE END OF THE AGENDA WOULD BE YOUR OPTIONS, AND SEE IF AN APPLICANT DOES SHOW.

BUT IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THE, OH, OK, OK.

NO, I THINK WE GOT AN APPLICANT NOW.

OK, GREAT. HI SIR, GO AHEAD, IF YOU WANT YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF US IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYBE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

MY NAME, I'M JIM HAMMIL, I'M A PRINCIPAL OF PRISM ARCHITECTS IN IRVING, LAS COLINAS.

OK, AND WE'RE THE ARCHITECTS FOR THE NATUZZI FURNITURE STORE.

OK, AND I'LL JUST SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

THEY MAY NOT I GUESS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY.

BUT I GUESS WE DO HAVE A QUESTION.

SO IS, THIS THAT RUSTED METAL? IS THAT WHAT THIS FACADE IS GOING TO BE? I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION.

IS THIS GOING TO BE JUST LIKE THE RUSTED METAL LOOK THAT EVERYBODY'S COMING OUT WITH NOW? WHAT'S THE FINISH ON THIS? I STILL AM NOT, I'M NOT HEARING YOU MY, I THINK SIR I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, BUT HE'S ASKING I HEAR YOU FINE, OK, GOOD, WHAT'S THE, I'VE BEEN IN VOLLEYBALL ALL DAY SO MY VOICE IS ALREADY CHARGED UP.

WHAT'S THE FINISH LOOK LIKE ON THE EXTERIOR.

IS IT KIND OF A RUSTED METAL OR CAN YOU JUST DESCRIBE WHAT THE FINISH WILL LOOK LIKE.

OH LET'S SEE, IT'S ALUCOBOND AND IT'S A PROBABLY A MATTE AND IT COMES IN A VARIETY OF COLORS. I THINK THE COLORS, THEY'VE CHOSEN EARTH TONES TO BLEND IN WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING. IT'S COMMONLY USED ON MANY AROUND HERE.

THERE'S THE ALUCOBOND WHICH IS AROUND THERE, AND THEN IN THE CENTER THEY'RE USING THE METAL FOR RIBBED PANELS, AGAIN, WITH THE SAME EARTH COLOR, WHICH AGAIN, THEY'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE, AS YOU SEE THE THE VISIBILITY IS NOT THAT GREAT FROM THE STREET, IT'S KIND OF BLAND.

AND SO THIS CREATES AN IMAGE FOR [INAUDIBLE] POPS OUT AND IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE OF THEIR THEIR BUSINESS, THE QUALITY OF THE MERCHANDISE WHICH THEY SELL.

AND IT'S SO WE'LL HOPEFULLY ENTICE PEOPLE TO COME IN AND IMPROVE THEIR BUSINESS.

THE ISSUE WE'RE FACING HERE, OF COURSE, IS THAT THE MATERIAL IS NON CONFORMING.

OUR POINT, OF COURSE, IS THE BUILDING, AS IT STANDS, IS NON-CONFORMING RIGHT NOW AND SO WHATEVER IF WE GO AHEAD WITH THIS, IT'LL STILL BE NONCONFORMING.

BUT IF THIS IS TURNED OUT, WE DON'T GO AHEAD WITH IT, IT'LL BE NONCONFORMING EITHER ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. SO THAT WOULD BE OUR WE THINK IT WILL IMPROVE CERTAINLY IMPROVE THE BUSINESS FOR THE THE NEW TENANT IN THERE, WHICH THEY'RE GOING IN, SO THAT'S OUR PROGRAM.

AND JUST KIND OF TOUCHING AGAIN, YOU CAN, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IS RIGHT THERE FOR YOU TO SEE AND IF THERE'S ANY, OK, PARTICULAR QUESTIONS IT'S JUST A IT'S A SURFACE COVER.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO NEW CONSTRUCTION PER SE, THE SITE HASN'T CHANGED AT ALL.

THERE'S NO NEW PARK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, THE LENGTH OF THE LEASE THAT THE TENANT HAS. THIS BEING THE ARCHITECT, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'LL KNOW THE LENGTH OF THE TENANTS LEASE. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, ABOUT WHAT THE LENGTH OF THE TENANTS LEASE.

MAYBE WE CAN JUST NOTE THAT AS A FOLLOW UP.

MAYBE JUST A NOTING FOLLOW UP ITEM, I KNOW ON THESE LARGER SPACES ARE TYPICALLY AT LEAST FIVE YEARS, IF NOT MAYBE TEN.

SO WE CAN JUST NOTE THAT AS A FOLLOW UP ITEM FOR IF THIS MOVES ON TO CITY COUNCIL, JUST SOMETHING TO TO MAYBE FIND OUT ABOUT.

OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, I HAVE A COMMENT.

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IF THIS WERE A STANDALONE BUILDING, I PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE PREDISPOSED TO SUPPORT IT.

BUT BEING PART OF ANOTHER BUILDING WITH ANOTHER, WITH A BUILDING THAT'S SHARED WITH ANOTHER TENANT, IT SEEMS TO ME, WOULD COMPLETELY CHANGE THE FACE OF THE BUILDING, YOU'VE MASKED THE TILE ROOF.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK I COULD SUPPORT AS IT CURRENTLY IS, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

I JUST THINK IT'S INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING.

THAT WAY WE'LL GET IT ON THE RECORD, YEAH THE SOUND SYSTEM HERE I AM NOT ACCUSTOMED TO, NO PERFECT. NOW, THE DESIGN CAME OUT OF THE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS IN ITALY.

WE DID NOT DO THE DESIGN, WE'RE PRESENTING IT FOR THEM WITH THE OTHERS, AND YOUR CRITICISM HAS SOME MERIT BUT AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT THEY FEEL IS IS BEST FOR THEM.

SO THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO SAY.

THANK YOU. OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT HERE? OK, SIR, I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW.

YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE A SEAT.

AND IF WE NEED YOU AGAIN, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO I'LL GO AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.

AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO COME UP AND COMMENT ON IT, PLEASE DO SO, SEEING NO ONE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND JUST STATE THAT I'M SUPPORTIVE WITH NO QUESTIONS AND I'M CURIOUS, I GUESS, WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS.

I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE BUSINESS IN TOWN, BUT TO ME, THIS LOOKS AWFUL.

THIS LOOKS LIKE A CIRCUIT CITY WITH A GARAGE DOOR ON IT AND I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF IT.

ALL RIGHT, I CONCUR, I JUST THINK I THINK IT'S A BUMMER THAT IT COVERS UP THE THE ROOF, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN ELEMENT THAT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THIS ARCHITECTURE.

AND I THINK THE CIRCUIT CITY ANALOGY MAKES SENSE.

OTHER THOUGHTS, COMMENTS? YEAH, I CAN'T GO ALONG WITH THE BUILDING, IT'S NONCONFORMING AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE IT MORE NONCONFORMING.

SO I JUST I CAN'T SUPPORT IT EITHER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I MEAN, I THINK THAT I COULD SUPPORT IT IF POTENTIALLY THEY LOWERED A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I DO AGREE THAT SEEING THE TILE ROOF WOULD BE TO KEEP THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE OTHER BUT THE OTHER SECTION OF THE BUILDING.

BUT I THINK OTHERWISE I MEAN, I AGREE THIS IS KIND OF A BUILDING, YOU JUST DRIVE BY.

YOU DON'T REALLY NOTICE IT. SO I'M NOT SURE I WOULD HAVE DESIGNED THIS EXACT THING, BUT I THINK IT WILL, I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS TERRIBLE AND I COULD SUPPORT IT IF IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LOWER. SO IN TERMS OF FEEDBACK FOR THE APPLICANT, I GUESS I'M HEARING COMMENTS ABOUT SEEING THE ROOF LINE WOULD BE A PREFERENCE THAT MAYBE THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS TOO BIG OR A DESIRE TO MAKE IT CONFORMING.

IS THAT I MEAN, JUST TO TRY TO GIVE THE APPLICANTS SOME DIRECTION HERE FOR WHAT MIGHT BE SUPPORTIVE FOR THIS BODY.

WELL, YEAH, IF IT WAS CONFORMING WITH THE SIGN ORDINANCE, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE, SIGN YOU MEAN THE MATERIAL OR I'M SORRY, IT'S A SIGN, SO I'M KIND OF LIKE STUCK ON THE SIGN.

OK, FOR CONSISTENCY PURPOSES, I'M OK WITH IT STAYING WITH THE CURRENT MATERIAL, NOT THE CURRENT MATERIAL REPRESENTED AS NEW, BUT THE CURRENT MATERIAL THAT'S BEEN THERE WHEN IT'S THOMASVILLE, JUST BECAUSE IF YOU CHANGE ON THIS, IT'S GOING TO LOOK VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE NEIGHBORING TENANT. BUT I JUST THINK SOMETHING MORE SIMPLISTIC, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. OK, SIR, DO YOU MIND MAYBE COMING BACK UP, IF YOU DON'T MIND, TO THE PODIUM REAL QUICK? I THINK YOU HEARD SOME OF THE FEEDBACK, I GUESS, RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, NOT A LOT OF SUPPORT. SO JUST JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR OPTIONS TONIGHT, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON IT AND VOTE.

I THINK YOU HEARD SOME OF THE SENTIMENTS, SO IT MAY NOT GO WELL OR YOU CAN REQUEST FOR IT TO BE TABLED AND MAYBE GO BACK AND WORK ON SOME EDITS TO IT AND BRING IT BACK HERE.

IT'S YOUR CALL, WELL, I DIDN'T HEAR ALL THE SPECIFICS, I HEARD THE GENTLEMAN'S CRITICISM ABOUT THE ROOF LINE WITH THIS.

YEAH, I THINK [INAUDIBLE] COMING UP AND I THINK COVERS THE EXISTING ROOFLINES.

YEAH, MAYBE THERE'S A BALANCE QUESTION THERE.

YEAH. I THINK, I THINK TO SUMMARIZE IT, IT WAS KIND OF SEEING THE ROOFLINES SOUNDED LIKE A DESIRE. YEAH, MAYBE THAT IT JUST WHAT IT WAS, WAS JUST A LITTLE A BRIDGE TOO FAR, JUST

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THE GOOD NEWS IS THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND STAFF IS HERE KIND OF HEARING ALL THIS AS WELL. SO THEY CAN KIND OF HELP GIVE YOU GUIDANCE ON IF YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICS, I THINK WHAT I HEARD THE GENTLEMAN DID AND I DIDN'T HEAR ALL OF THE OTHER CRITIQUE, BUT TO MAYBE LOWER IT WHERE THE NOT WE'RE NOT COVERING THE EXISTING ROOFLINE LINE AND MAYBE SUBDUE IT IN SOME FORM.

I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT DESIGNS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN YOU NEVER GOING TO SATISFY EVERYBODY.

BUT I REALLY NEED TO, I LIKE TO TIE DOWN THE MOST SERIOUS OBJECTIONS.

HOW ABOUT THIS, SINCE MY COMMISSIONERS ARE THE ONES WITH THE OBJECTIONS, I'LL LET THEM MAYBE SPEAK AS BRIEFLY AND SUCCINCTLY TO WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE CHANGED HERE.

I DON'T LIKE IT AT ALL.

CAN YOU PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL CONTEXT TO HELP THE APPLICANT ALTER IT.

LEAVE JUST LEAVE THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING AS IT IS AND PUT YOUR SIGN ON IT AND GO WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

THIS IS IT'S, OK, ALL YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE OTHER CUSTOMER, I MEAN THE OTHER CLIENT DOWN HERE WANTING TO CHANGE THEIR FACADE WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY WITH IT BEING NONCONFORMING.

OK, SO THAT'S ONE COMMENT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS INTO THE MICROPHONE, AS LOUD AS YOU CAN, PLEASE.

I WOULD JUST FLIP I WOULD TAKE DOWN THE METAL PORTION, TURN THE WHITE LETTERS INTO THE COLOR THAT THE METAL IS, AND KEEP THAT SIMPLE ON THE CURRENT FACADE, THAT'S MY PREFERENCE. OK, I LIKE TO HAVE MAYBE A SUMMARY OF THE CRITICISM OF THIS.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO YOU'RE KIND OF VERBALLY GETTING THEM RIGHT NOW AND WE RECORD THESE MEETINGS AND STAFF CAN KIND OF HELP NOTE THOSE FOR YOU SO YOU CAN TALK TO STAFF AFTERWARDS.

WE'VE GOT SOME INPUT HERE.

OK, BUT I'D LIKE TO I LIKE TO HAVE SOME.

YES, YEAH, OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO UNANIMOUSLY APPROVE IT.

IT SAYS I KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN A VOTE, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OBJECTIONS HERE.

AND I LIKE TO TIE THESE OBJECTIONS DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEND THIS BACK TO TO ITALY FOR THEIR DESIGNERS.

NOW, WE DON'T DO THAT EXTERIOR DESIGN FOR THEM.

OK, SO I COULD TAKE IT BACK TO OUR OFFICE AND WE CAN FOOL AROUND WITH IT AND COME UP WITH DIFFERENT CONCEPTS. BUT THIS HAS TO GO BACK TO ITALY AS FOR AS RIGHT NOW AND THEY MAY CHANGE THEIR MIND. OK, BUT I MEAN, SO GIVEN THAT, I GUESS, WOULD IT BE BEST, I GUESS, OR YOU HAVE A DESIRE TO REQUEST A TABLE? I WOULD PREFER BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IF YOU SAY THAT YOU DON'T RECOMMEND IT, THEN WE GO TO COUNCIL OF COURSE, THEY'LL FOLLOW YOUR DIRECTION OR YOUR SUGGESTIONS SO THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY A WASTE OF TIME.

I'M THINKING, YES, IF I COULD GET SOME SOME WRITTEN INPUT, WILL YOU PROVIDE THAT IN A SUMMARY? AND I GUESS MAYBE I'LL ASK STAFF, I GUESS.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOTTEN GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A FEELING FOR WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE HERE? YES, SIR, WE CAN SUMMARIZE THE COMMENTS AND SEND IT TO THE APPLICANT, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN USE THAT AS A BASIS TO COMMUNICATE TO WHOEVER HE'S DEALING WITH.

OK, SO I THINK YOU'LL GET THAT FEEDBACK, IF I CAN GET SOME SOME WRITTEN INPUT, YES, INTO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

I'VE GOT SOME IDEAS, YOU WANT TO LOWER IT, YOU WANT TO MAKE IT MORE CONCISE, THE COLOR PATTERNS, THERE'S I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD POINTS, BUT I LIKE TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER.

SO WHEN I THROW IT BACK TO THEM, THEY WON'T, THEN WE'LL KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

OK, NO, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS, I THINK NOTING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TABLE THIS TO OUR NEXT MEETING. AND AND IF YOU'RE NOT READY, BY THE TIME OUR NEXT MEETING COMES, YOU CAN YOU CAN TABLE IT AGAIN. I LIKE TO HAVE SOME, NOW YOUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE IN SEPTEMBER? I BELIEVE. SEPTEMBER 9TH, SEPTEMBER THE 9TH.

YES, OK, SO WE CAN TABLE IT TO THAT DATE, AND IF YOU'RE NOT READY, WE CAN MOVE IT TO THE NEXT ONE. BUT IT'S SEPTEMBER THE 9TH.

? AND YES, IF YOU COULD GIVE ME SOME, YOU KNOW, JUST BRIEF WRITTEN INPUT ON YOUR FINAL REPORT HERE AND WE'LL WE'LL COME BACK ON SEPTEMBER THE 9TH AND TRY IT AGAIN, OK, MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY [INAUDIBLE] THAT SOUNDS GOOD NOW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

APPRECIATE. OK, WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. SO I GUESS NOTING THAT YOU MIND MAYBE MAKING A MOTION TABLE THIS TO SEPTEMBER 9TH. YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON

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ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, OK, LET'S GET A VOTE PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT, UH, OOPS, THAT WAS ME.

MOTION CARRIES 6-0, OK, SIR SO YOU'RE TABLED TO THAT NEXT MEETING AND CITY STAFF CAN KIND OF HELP GIVE YOU THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OK, NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE ON OUR AGENDA, ZONING CHANGE

[9. Consider: Ordinance No. 480-786, (ZA21-0058), Zoning Change and Concept Plan for Pemberton]

YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.

THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 603 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, PROPOSED AS THE PEMBERTON RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

THE CURRENT ZONING ON PROPERTY IS AGRICULTURAL, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING SF20 ZONING.

THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

PROPERTY IS LOCATED JUST EAST OF NORTH KIMBLE AVENUE AND SOUTH OF STILLWATER COURT.

AND IT HAS A CONNECTING STREET STUB IN THE FROM COMING OUT OF COTSWOLD VALLEY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AND COTSWOLD VALLEY COURT SPECIFICALLY.

AS I MENTIONED, THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS AGRICULTURAL AND THE PROPOSED ZONING IS SF20A.

AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN, THERE'S A SIX LOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WITH TWO LOTS FRONTING AND HAVING DRIVE ACCESS OFF OF STILLWATER COURT AND FOUR LOTS COMING IN OFF A NEW STREET EXTENSION BETWEEN STILLWATER COURT.

AN AERIAL VIEW WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN OVERLAID . AND TREE CONSERVATION PLAN, AND SITE DATA SUMMARY AND TOTAL OF SIX LOTS PROPOSED WITH THE DENSITY POINT.

THERE IS A VARIANCE REQUESTED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, COTSWOLD VALLEY COURT WAS BUILT AND CONSTRUCTED WITH A 40 FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF WAY STUBBING INTO THE SOUTH BOUNDARY, AND IN ORDER TO TRANSITION FROM STANDARD 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, THEY'RE NEEDING TO NARROW THAT PORTION DOWN TO 40 FEET.

THERE ARE NO OTHER VARIANCES REQUESTED.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED PULMONARY DRAINAGE PLAN ON THE PROPERTY, JUST A LITTLE OVER HALF THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNED TO DRAIN INTO THE STORM SYSTEM AND STILL WATER COURT, WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO HANDLE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.

AND THE EASTERN JUST A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF WOULD DRAIN INTO THE CHANNEL SYSTEM JUST TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY.

AND PULMONARY UTILITY PLAN SITE WILL BE SERVED WITH SANITARY SEWER CONNECTING INTO THE SYSTEM AND COTSWOLD VALLEY AND WILL COMPLETE A WATER LOOP BETWEEN STILLWATER AND COTSWOLD VALLEY COURT.

AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH WITH SOME PERSPECTIVE PHOTOS FROM EACH OF THOSE PERSPECTIVES.

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DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE DONE, SORRY GUYS.

I GUESS I'VE GOT A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS JUST TO CONFIRM THE APPLICATION HERE TONIGHT. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, IT IS. OKAY, SO THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE CONCEPT PLAN AND HAS ONE VARIANCE, ALBEIT THAT VARIANCE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S RELATED TO THEM TRYING TO MATCH THE LEGACY DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH. IS THAT, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT? THAT IS CORRECT. OK, AND MAYBE STAYING ON THAT TOPIC, I THINK, WAS THAT ALWAYS THE INTENTION WAS FOR THIS TRACK TO CONNECT IN TO THE SOUTH THERE TO AVOID HAVING ANOTHER ACCESS STUB ON KIMBALL FOR SAFETY AND TRAFFIC? YES AND POTENTIALLY TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY OF THE STREET SYSTEM.

OK, AND I DO REMEMBER THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE MEETING I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL PLANS THAT WERE REVIEWED AND I GUESS THIS IS THE ONE WE CAN TALK TO THE APPLICANT, BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS SETTLED ON.

YES, SIR, THERE WERE THREE OPTIONS PRESENTED AT CORRIDOR, WHICH REPORT WAS PROVIDED LIKE ONE SCENARIO, PUT THE STREET MORE IN THIS VICINITY WITH ALL OF THE LOTS FRONTING IN ON THE PROPOSED STREET EXTENSION.

AND THERE WAS THIS OPTION AND THEN ANOTHER OPTION THAT PROPOSED A COUPLE OF THE LOTS FRONTING IN ON JUST AN ACCESS EASEMENT WITH THE REMAINING LOTS, I BELIEVE, KIND OF ALL FRONTING BACK ON TO STILLWATER.

OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF? QUESTIONS FOR NOW. OK.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW.

THANK YOU DENNIS. THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION AND I WILL [INAUDIBLE] UP FOR THEM. YEAH, WE MAY, I HAVE A FEELING, WE MAY, HAVE A FEW FOLLOW UPS FOR STAFF.

WE WILL LET THE APPLICANT GO AND MAYBE HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING AND AND CALL YOU GUYS BACK UP IF THAT'S OK. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS CURTIS YOUNG, WITH THE SAGE GROUP, 1130 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE.

I'M HERE WITH THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER, HE WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF.

THANK YOU, MY NAME IS DEAN T.

DECAVITTE. I LIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE AT 740 NORTH PEYTONVILLE AVENUE.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT PEMBERTON TO YOU THIS EVENING.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF BACKGROUND ABOUT MYSELF AND THEN CURTIS WILL FINISH THE PRESENTATION. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CURTIS ON THIS PROJECT AND HE'S GOT TONS OF EXPERIENCE AND DESIGN, MANY OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

SO IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO WORK WITH HIM.

MY COMPANY AND MY BACKGROUND, I'M A CUSTOM HOME BUILDER, MY COMPANY'S DECAVITTE PROPERTIES. I BUILT CUSTOM HOMES HERE IN SOUTHLAKE FOR TWENTY SEVEN YEARS.

I'VE ALSO BUILT A MAJORITY OF THE HOMES, IF THEY WEREN'T HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, THEY WERE IN WESTLAKE OR COLLEYVILLE.

I'M ALSO A RESIDENT IN MY FAMILY AND I HAVE LIVED HERE IN SOUTHLAKE FOR FIFTEEN YEARS AND WE JUST GRADUATED OUR LAST DRAGON HERE JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

I CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT WE LIVE IN, SO WE WORK, LIVE, PLAY AND GO TO CHURCH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT HERE IN TOWN. SO SHORTLY AFTER I PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, I REACHED OUT TO ALL THE INDIVIDUALS THAT THEIR PROPERTY TOUCHED THIS PROPERTY AND REACHED OUT TO THEM ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION THROUGH LETTERS REQUESTING THAT I COULD MEET WITH THEM AND SHARE OUR CONCEPT AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE A MUTUAL EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION AND WHATNOT.

AND I RECEIVED FEEDBACK OR AN INVITATION TO COME AND MEET WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

FIFTY PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE I WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD HEARD BACK FROM. AND AGAIN, I HAD REACHED OUT ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION.

SO OF THE FAMILIES THAT I WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH, ONE ON ONE ON AT LEAST ONE OCCASION, YOU KNOW, I SHARED THE PRESENTATION.

I WAS INTERESTED IN THEIR FEEDBACK AND THEIR VIEWPOINT ON THE PROJECT.

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THEY ALL REALIZED THAT THE STUB OFF OF ESTANCIA WAS THERE AND THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY WOULD PROBABLY BE DEVELOPED.

THEY ASKED, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL QUESTIONS OF WHAT SIZE HOMES, PRICE RANGE AND WHO WOULD BE BUILDING. AND SO I LET THEM KNOW THAT MY COMPANY, DECAVITTE PROPERTIES WOULD BUILD ALL OF THE HOMES HERE ON THE PROPOSED LOTS AND BUILT TO VERY HIGH STANDARDS TO WHICH MY COMPANY IS WELL KNOWN FOR. AND THE PEOPLE THAT I BUILT FOR HAVE COME TO EXPECT AND DEMAND.

AND SO THESE HOMES WOULD BE BUILT TO THOSE SAME STANDARDS.

FOR THE ZONING THAT WE'RE REQUESTING I WOULD ANTICIPATE THESE HOMES TO BE FOUR TO FIVE THOUSAND, FOUR TO SIX THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND HAVE A PRICE POINT ON THEM OF TWO TO THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

SOME OF THE FAMILIES THAT I TALKED TO WERE ALMOST RELIEVED THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS PROPERTY WAS FINALLY GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AND CLEANED UP BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING PROBLEMS WITH RATS, SNAKES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND THEY WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY HAVING PROPERTY DEVELOPED AND CLEANED UP AND BE RID OF THOSE ISSUES.

THEY SOME ALSO EXPRESSED, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS WOULD BE A POSITIVE FOR PROPERTY VALUE GOING FORWARD. AND SO WE HAD A YOU KNOW, WE HAD A GOOD EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION.

AND AND WE USE THAT FOR THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD HERE.

WE ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH THE PATTERSON POND HOA LEADERSHIP, AND THEY SHARED WITH US THEIR CONCERN ON DRAINAGE THAT SOME ONGOING DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT THEY'VE HAD WITH THE CITY THAT REALLY HAS BEEN COMING FROM THE WESTERN SIDE OF KIMBALL AVENUE.

AND THEY ALSO UNDERSTOOD THAT THE DRAINAGE FROM OUR PROPOSED PROJECT REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT, BUT THEY SHARED IT WITH US NONETHELESS.

THEY ALSO INVITED US TO CONSIDER TAKING THIS PROJECT AND JOINING THEIR HOA.

WE REPLIED THAT WE WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE THAT INTO STRONG CONSIDERATION.

AND THEY ASKED US TO PREPARE AN ADDENDUM AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO THEIR HOA DOCUMENTATION AND WE COULD SUBMIT IT TO THEM FOR THEIR REVIEW, AND THAT'S BASICALLY ALL THAT I HADK, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'LL TURN THE REST OF IT OVER TO CURTIS.

BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

WE'LL GO AND LET CURTIS PRESENT AND THEN WE CAN JUST DO QUESTIONS KIND OF ALL AT ONCE AT THE END. YES, THANK YOU.

DEAN BASICALLY TOLD YOU ALL THIS.

I WILL GO RIGHT THROUGH IT, BUT VERY, VERY HIGH QUALITY HOME BUILDER, AND JUST TO GIVE YOU, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE WORK HE'S DONE IN THIS AREA, VERY, VERY NICE, VERY, VERY DETAIL ORIENTED.

I'M ALWAYS IMPRESSED WHEN I SEE HIS WORK.

SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING I THINK THAT THAT SOUTHLAKE WOULD BE PROUD TO HAVE ADDED TO THE CITY MORE OF THIS, AND CERTAINLY MANY OF THESE HOMES ARE ALREADY HERE, YOU KNOW, HOMES OF ALL TYPE.

AND WE CAN LOOK AT THESE IN DETAIL IF YOU WANT, BUT I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THEM RATHER QUICKLY. YOU CAN SEE IT'S A VERY HIGH, HIGH FINISHED LEVEL QUALITY OF THE WORK.

BUT LET'S GET TO THE SITE, HERE'S THE SITE.

THREE AND THREE QUARTERS ANCHORS.

YOU KNOW, IT'S MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL [INAUDIBLE] I GOT TO TELL YOU, WE DID ESTANCIA A LONG TIME AGO.

THOSE ARE 12 FIVE LOTS, AND AT THE TIME, THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE PHASE TWO OF ESTANCIA.

BUT MY CLIENT AT THAT POINT NEVER, YOU KNOW, NEVER MADE A DEAL WITH THIS PROPERTY OWNER TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.

BUT CITY, OF COURSE, REQUESTED THAT WE SUB THE STREET THERE, AND THERE'S BEEN A SIGN EVERY SINCE, YOU KNOW, THE STREET SHALL GO ON.

BUT WHEN WE CAME TO THIS, WE DECIDED THAT BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING ZONING TO THE NORTH OF US, SF20A ZONING, THAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT KIND OF ZONING TO COMPLY WITH.

SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO SMALLER LOTS AND MAYBE BLEND IN FROM THE STANCE HERE, WE SAID, LET'S JUST ASK FOR SF20A AND BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE LOTS TO THE NORTH.

YOU KNOW, IT'S THE ZONING IS IS [INAUDIBLE] TO THE SOUTH, AS I SAID, WITH SMALLER LOTS

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ACROSS THE STREET, WE HAVE A LOT OF OFFICE BUILDINGS, SP1 DISTRICTS AND THE TZD DEVELOPMENT NORTH OF KIMBALL UP THERE.

AND THEN BEHIND US ACROSS THE CREEK IS THE SHADY LANE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SF1A ZONING.

AS THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED, WE CAME TO THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE WITH KIND OF THREE THOUGHTS ON THIS, AND WE GOT PRETTY GOOD DIRECTION TO FOLLOW THE PATH THAT WE FOLLOWED.

AND SO WE TOOK THAT ADVICE AND TOOK THE ROAD AND CURVED IT THROUGH LIKE THIS.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC REASONS WHY IT'S LOCATED EXACTLY WHERE IT IS.

THIS KIND OF COMES OUT BETWEEN THESE TWO HOMES HERE A LITTLE BIT RATHER THAN RIGHT AT SOMEONE'S FRONT DOOR, NUMBER ONE.

BUT MAYBE MOST IMPORTANT IS THE TREE COVER ON THE SITES.

THERE'S A WHOLE LINE OF TREES RIGHT IN HERE.

THIS USED TO BE TWO DEEP LOTS.

AND THEN THERE'S A LINE OF TREES IN THE BACK HERE.

BY DOING THIS, IT WOULD ALLOW US TO SAVE A LOT OF THESE TREES HERE IN THE BACKYARD OF THESE LOTS, ONE AND TWO.

AND ALSO, INSTEAD OF PRESENTING SIDE FACADES TO OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH, THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE SIMILAR FRONT FACADES.

THERE'S A HOUSE HERE, THERE WOULD BE ONE HOUSE ACROSS, A HOUSE HERE, THERE WOULD BE ONE HOUSE ACROSS. THERE'S TWO HOUSES HERE, THERE WOULD BE ONE HOUSE ACROSS.

BUT THESE LOTS WOULD BE DEEP ENOUGH TO BUILD BEAUTIFUL HOMES AND STILL RETAIN THE TREES HERE. THE CREEK KIND OF TURNS AND GOES ON THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.

YOU CAN SEE KIND OF A LAKE IN THIS AREA HERE.

SO THERE ISN'T ANY OF THE CREEK ON THIS PROPERTY.

BUT WE FELT THAT THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS, TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE, TO PRESENT THE RIGHT FACADE TO OUR NEIGHBORS, AND SO THIS IS THE WAY WE PROCEEDED.

AT THE QUARTER COMMITTEE, WE WERE THINKING ABOUT RPUD FOR THIS WITH WITH A COUPLE OF LOTS LESS THAN 20000 SQUARE FEET.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS TRY TO GET THIS ABOVE 20000, AND YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN JUST ASK FOR STRAIGHT ZONING, SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT WE FULLY LANDSCAPING TREES ALL ALONG HERE.

STILLWATER COURT, OF COURSE, THE RIGHT AWAY COMES RIGHT UP ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.

NOW, THE PATTERSON PONDS HOA HAS RAN A WATERLINE OVER THERE WHEN THEY DEVELOPED AND THEY'VE BEEN MOWING IT AND WATERING THAT GRASS THERE.

BUT THAT WILL BECOME THE FRONT YARD OF THESE HOMES AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE ON THAT.

THE YOU KNOW, THE WALL WE BUILT WITH ESTANCIA WAS REBUILT BY THE CITY WHEN KIMBALL WAS ENLARGED, BUT SINCE IT COMES RIGHT HERE TO THE CORNER, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, WHAT WE SAID ON OUR APPLICATION WAS WE WOULD CONTINUE A SIMILAR WALL UP HERE TO THE CORNER. YOU KNOW, THE ALTERNATIVE OF BRINGING A SEPARATE ROAD IN OFF OFF KIMBALL SEPARATE ANOTHER CUL DE SAC WAS NEVER REALLY CONSIDERED, I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD WANT US TO DO THAT. THIS CONNECTS THE STREETS.

I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE FROM ACCESS POINT OF VIEW AND IT WOULD CONNECT ALL THE UTILITIES. SO I REALLY THINK THIS IS IS THE BEST APPROACH.

ANYWAY, THAT'S OUR PLAN, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FOR NOW.

WHY IS IT THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE THE RIGHT AWAY 50 FEET THROUGH THE WHOLE PARK? WE COULD IT'S JUST RIGHT HERE, IT BUTTS UP TO A 40 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.

SO RIGHT AT WE'RE 50 FEET, THEN RIGHT AT THE END, WE'RE JUST NARROWING DOWN.

SO THE RIGHT AWAY TO RIGHT AWAY.

SO YOU'RE PLANNING ON MAKING THE STREET THE SAME WIDTH.

YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE LESS STREET, THE STREET IS GOING TO BE THE SAME WIDTH.

YOU'RE JUST HAVE LESS ROOM FOR SIDEWALKS.

AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WHAT COTSWOLD IS, IT'S A 40 FOOT RIDE AWAY WITH FIVE FOOT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS EASEMENTS ON EITHER SIDE.

WE'LL DO THE SAME THING ON THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST IMAGINARY LINES ON, YOU KNOW, ON A MAP.

IT'LL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE IT'S A 50 FOOT RIDE AWAY THE WHOLE WAY.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT THERE ON THE LOT THAT'S ON THE SOUTHERN PART BUTTING UP TO KIMBALL, IT LOOKS LIKE A CURB CUT RIGHT THERE FOR DRAINAGE.

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OK, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD NOT BE THAT CURB CUT WOULD WOULD NO LONGER PROVIDE ACCESS.

AND WHAT'S THE ISSUE WITH THE DRAINAGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OFF OF KIMBALL? WELL, IF WE WANT TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT, WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DRAINAGE THAT COMES ACROSS 114 FROM TOWN SQUARE HERE, COMES THROUGH THE GATEWAY PROPERTY AND THEN COMES ACROSS HERE AND INTO THIS LAKE, AND THIS WHEN THIS TZD WAS DONE, THERE'S ALSO A DRAINAGE COMING FROM UP HERE THAT COMES OFF OF HIGHLAND. IT ALL COMES TOGETHER THERE.

AND THERE'S A DAM RIGHT HERE, THE ESCAPE FROM THE DAM GOES AROUND THIS WAY AND THIS IS A CREEK DOWN HERE.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT GOES UNDER KIMBALL HERE AND THEN GOES INTO THE POND.

THIS IS THE PATTERSON POND, FAMOUS FOR.

AND WHAT THE HOA TOLD US WAS THAT THEY'VE HAD SOME ISSUES AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ABOUT THAT DRAINAGE CAUSING EROSION AND OTHER THINGS.

BUT THAT REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, ABSENT THAT.

BUT YEAH, WE WERE A GOOD LISTENER, TOO, TO WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD. THANKS, OK, OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FOR NOW.

OK, WELL, TAKE NOTES AS WE DO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OK.

AND WE MIGHT CALL YOU BACK UP JUST TO TALK TO SOME OTHER ITEMS, THAT'S OK.

SO ITEM NUMBER NINE ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT UP.

AND I THINK WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS WE RECEIVED, I GUESS, KIND OF LATER, YOU KNOW, MAY OR MAY NOT ALL OF THEM BE IN OUR PACKET.

SO I'LL JUST KIND OF READ THEM FOR THE RECORD IN TERMS OF SOME COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSAL HERE. AND I APOLOGIES AHEAD OF TIME BETWEEN HANDWRITING AND NOT HAVING GLASSES ON.

I'M PROBABLY GOING TO MESS UP SOME NAMES HERE, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST.

JAMES AND TARYN FAVORS, I THINK, THAT ARE AT MOST IMPORTANTLY, 2216 PATTERSON WAY ARE OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT? I HAVE [INAUDIBLE] I BELIEVE AT 2201 PATTERSON WAY WHO WAS OPPOSED.

I HAVE DAN NGUYEN AND WIFE KIM I BELIEVE HOPEFULLY GOT THAT RIGHT 2208 STILLWATER COURT THAT ARE OPPOSED AND FRANK CAPRA BILLS PROBABLY MESSED THAT ONE UP, 2213 PATTERSON, WAY DOES NOT INDICATE IF HE'S IN FAVOR OR OPPOSE BUT NOTED SOME CONCERNS.

SO NOTED THAT FOR THE RECORD, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT IN HERE, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE IT ON OUR STAFF REPORT ALREADY, I DID GET ONE COMMENT CARD IN TERMS OF WANTING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, AND IT'S MR. HUBBELL, HENRY HUBBELL, WHO'S AT 2208 PATTERSON WAY.

SO I'M GOING TO LET HIM LEAD OFF.

HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

AND I GUESS I'LL REMIND HIM, LIKE EVERYBODY HERE THIS EVENING, IF YOU COULD, WE CAN HAVE A LIGHT UP THERE IT TIMES OUT THREE MINUTES, YOU'LL SEE GREEN, YELLOW, RED.

JUST PLEASE DO YOUR BEST TO KEEP IT TO AROUND THREE MINUTES IN CONSIDERATION OF OTHERS HERE AND OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA LATER THIS EVENING.

AND WE'LL GO AND KICK OFF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO GO AHEAD, SIR. VERY GOOD THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS HENRY HUBBLE AND 2208 PATTERSON WAY AND I'M THE SECRETARY AND TREASURER FOR THE PATTERSON'S POND HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I THANK DEAN AND CURTIS FOR MEETING WITH US TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE PROJECT.

AT THIS POINT, AND I WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CONTACT THE ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS ON STILLWATER, BUT ALL THREE HAVE INDICATED OPPOSITION TO THE THROUGH STREET.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE REZONING OF THE LAND FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S EXPECTED WHEN THESE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE BASICALLY WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN.

THE LARGEST ISSUE IS WITH THE THROUGH STREET CONNECTING ESTANCIA WITH STILLWATER COURT.

THAT STILLWATER COURT DEVELOPMENT NEVER ENVISIONED A CONNECTING THROUGH STREET, THAT WAS NOT WHEN IT WAS BUILT BEFORE ESTANCIA AND IT WAS BUILT BEFORE KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD.

AND IT WAS ALWAYS CONSIDERED THAT THERE WOULD BE MAYBE DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT IT WOULD BE PART OF THE CUL DE SAC.

STILLWATER COURT IS A CUL DE SAC DEVELOPMENT WAS DEVELOPED THAT WAY.

IT WAS CREATED AS PART OF THE PATTERSON POND DEVELOPMENT.

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IT WAS SOLD AND MAINTAINED AS A QUIET STANDALONE CUL DE SAC FOR MANY OF THE FOR MANY YEARS BY THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE PATTERSON POND HOA.

THE CONCEPT PLAN WOULD CHANGE THE VERY CHARACTER OF OUR STILLWATER COURT.

IT WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC SIGNIFICANTLY AS WE EXPECT ALL THE TRAFFIC FROM THE NEW RESIDENCES, AS WELL AS AN UNDETERMINED AMOUNT OF THE ESTANCIA TRAFFIC WOULD UTILIZE STILLWATER COURT AS THE ACCESS TO AND FROM KIMBALL AVENUE.

IN ADDITION, THE CURRENT LOTS ON STILLWATER COURT ARE ALL ONE PLUS ACRE, WHICH, ALTHOUGH NOT REQUIRED BY THE ZONING, STILL CONTRIBUTES TO THE PASTORAL FEEL OF THE STREET.

THE SMALLER LOTS PROPOSED RULES CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE CUL DE SAC, THE NATURE OF THE PROPERTIES PROPOSED I.E.

METAL ROOFS, POTENTIAL FOR FLAT ROOFS, SECTIONS, INCONSISTENT HOA RULES FOR THE SAME STREET, ALL WILL LEAD TO AN UNCOORDINATED AND DISJOINTED FEEL TO THE STILLWATER COURT CUL DE SAC. WE HAVE SPOKEN TO OF THEM ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF COULD WE DEVELOP A COMBINED HOA AGREEMENT SO WE WOULD HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER THE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WERE BUILT OVER THERE, THAT WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

THEY'RE WILLING TO ALLOW US TO AMEND IT, I MEAN, TO ADDEND IT TO OUR HOA, BUT BASICALLY TAKE IT AS IS. AND THAT REALLY DEVELOPS THE ISSUE FOR US.

OK, NOW, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

APPRECIATE IT. SO HOW MUCH TRAFFIC NOW, IS THERE, ARE YOU ABLE TO GO OUT OF YOUR STREET THERE, STILLWATER, STRAIGHT OVER TO KIRKWOOD NOW? YES. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU HAVE YOU WELL, YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR TRAFFIC.

I CAN SEE. YOU CAN SEE.

AND THERE'S A CUT THROUGH THERE TO DO THAT.

YES. ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THAT THE OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT BE DOING THAT MORE? I WOULD THAN YOU THINK WILL GET TRAFFIC FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS BECAUSE THEY'LL BE DELIVERING TRAFFIC THAT WILL CUT THROUGH THE ESTANCIA AND COME OUT THROUGH TO THE STILLWATER. IT SEEMS LIKE MORE OF THE NATURAL WAY TO GET OUT ONTO ONTO KEMBLE.

FOR WHO? FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THERE TO ME.

YES. THAT'S WHY I SAY I THINK WE THINK THAT WILL ALSO CERTAIN ABOUT THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC. YEAH, WE WILL.

THEY WILL OFF. WE BELIEVE THEY WILL ALL FLOW THROUGH THERE.

AND AND I THINK EVEN THE SOME OF THE HOMES AT THE BACK END OF THAT CUL DE SAC AND OR THE WHERE THE THROUGH STREET WAS IDENTIFIED AND ESTANCIA, RATHER THAN MAKE THAT CIRCUITOUS ROUTE OUT, WE'LL PROBABLY COME OUT THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S A CLEARER CORNER RIGHT WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THE STORM. SO YOU BASICALLY TURN MOST PEOPLE TURN RIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S A RISE IN THE ROAD AND IT BLOCKS YOUR VIEW ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.

AND SO YOU TEND TO MAKE YOUR LEFT HAND TURN TO GO DOWN AND TURN AROUND AND COME BACK.

AND KIRKWOOD IS MORE THAN THE SCHOOL IS DOWN THAT WAY AS WELL.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO YOU'LL HAVE MORE SCHOOL TRAFFIC, POSSIBLY.

YOU HAVE SCHOOL TRAFFIC. AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE A LOT OF CHURCH TRAFFIC COMING THAT WAY, TOO. YEAH, OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. SO ITEM, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT DOES REMAIN OPEN.

SO ANYBODY WHOSE NAME I WROTE INTO THE RECORD CAN COME FORWARD IF THEY'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, COMMENT OR QUESTION OR IT'S DULY NOTED FOR THE RECORD.

SO WE NOTED THE OPPOSITION.

SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME DOWN AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

FILLED ONE OUT, YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GET YOUR THREE MINUTES, SIR.

AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYBE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SO WE MAKE SURE WE MATCH IT UP RIGHT.

AND WE'LL KICK OFF THE GREEN LIGHT HERE.

SO MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE] I'M THE, I LIVE IN 2201 PATTERSON WAY, AND I'M THE HOA PRESIDENT FOR PATTERSON WAY, I DID SUBMIT THREE IN OPPOSITION, PLUS ONE MINUS, FOUR TOTAL AND EACH HOMEOWNER THEY PUT THE REASONS WHY THEIR OPPOSITION.

SO I HOPE THAT YOU CAN READ THIS OUT TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.

SO THEY REALLY SEE THE COMMENTS [INAUDIBLE] THEY [INAUDIBLE] COULD NOT JOIN IN PERSON.

NOW, AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE, I CLEARLY DISAGREE THAT THERE'S NO IMPACT ON THE DRAINAGE BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE DRAINAGE DIAGRAMS. THEY'RE GOING TO BE FEEDING TOWARDS THE WATER, WHICH IS GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE POND. WE HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS, WEEDS, MOSQUITOES, EROSION.

ACTUALLY, IF WE CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF KIMBALL, THERE USED TO BE A BRIDGE OVER THERE. THAT BRIDGE HAS BEEN CONDEMNED BY THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE BECAUSE IT'S WASHED AWAY AND ALL OF THAT EROSION IS GOING BACK TO THE POND.

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WE HAVE BEEN SPENDING ABOUT A THOUSAND PLUS DOLLARS EVERY MONTH TO TAKE CARE OF THAT ON A WEEKLY BASIS. AND THAT'S WE CANNOT BASICALLY ENDURE EXTRA DAMAGE.

SO, AGAIN, WE ARE NOT REALLY IN OPPOSITION TO THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE THINK THAT IT REALLY SHOULD FOLLOW THE ESTANCIA LOOK AND FEEL AND THAT SEE THROUGH WHAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. THE OWNERS WHO LIVE IN ESTANCIA, THEY KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A FUTURE STREET OVER THERE WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.

THAT AWARE, BUT ALL OF THAT STILL WATER.

AND AS AN HOA PRESIDENT, FOR YEARS WE HAVE BEEN CARING FOR THAT STREET WHETHER OR NOT WE THOUGHT WE EVEN OWN ABOUT 10 FEET SIDE, ALL THE WAY TO THE PATTERSON, BUT WE FIND OUT WE DON'T OWN IT. SO BASICALLY, THAT'S NOT, [INAUDIBLE] WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

BUT BASICALLY, IF WE DO ON IT AND FOR SURE, THEY CANNOT REALLY DO THE CUT THROUGH, BUT THEY ARE ALL OF THEIR HOUSES ON STILL WATER THEY ALL OPPOSED ACROSS THE STREET FROM STILL WATER, THAT'S THE MAIN CONCERN.

OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THAT THE LETTERS YOU SUBMITTED NOTED A LOT OF THE SIMILAR CONCERNS IN TERMS OF QUALITY OF DESIGN, DRAINAGE AND IN TRAFFIC.

SO ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON OUR FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING HERE ON ITEM NUMBER NINE THIS EVENING, GOING ONCE, TWICE.

AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE.

I GUESS I'LL START MAYBE WITH STAFF REAL QUICK BEFORE I GET THE APPLICANT TO COME UP.

A COUPLE OF TOPICS. ONE, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO HEAR.

I KNOW WE HAVE THE COMMENTARY ABOUT HOW THE STUB FROM THE SOUTH WAS ALWAYS INTENDED.

I GUESS MAYBE, IS THERE ANY HISTORY OR CONTEXT FROM THE NORTH ON STILLWATER COURT IN TERMS OF MAYBE WHAT WAS INTENDED OR DESIGNED? AND I KNOW THE ANSWER IT MAY BE THAT YOU DON'T 100% RECOLLECT, BUT I GUESS IF THERE IS ANYTHING TO COMMENT ON THERE IN TERMS OF INTENT MAYBE BE HELPFUL.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE CONVERSATION WHEN ESTANCIA CAME THROUGH.

FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, WE LOOK AT PUBLIC ROADS AND WE LOOK AT SUCH THINGS AS LEVEL OF SERVICE AND IMPACT ON INTERSECTIONS AND GIVEN 13 OR 14 HOUSES IN ESTANCIA PLUS THE SIX HOMES HERE.

WHILE THE COMMENTS VERY MUCH CORRECTED WILL INCREASE THE TRAFFIC ON STILLWATER, THE QUESTION THE CITY WILL BE LOOKING AT WOULD BE, WOULD THAT DETERIORATE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THAT INTERSECTION SO THAT YOU WOULD CREATE ANY TYPE OF UNSAFE SITUATION? AND WHILE A TRAFFIC STUDY DIDN'T MEET THE THRESHOLD FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY, TYPICALLY THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU GET TRAFFIC DRIVEN FROM RESIDENTIAL IT, IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT THAT WOULD GREATLY IMPACT THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THAT INTERSECTION.

OK, THANK YOU. AND MAYBE THE QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION [INAUDIBLE] KNOW ABOUT THIS, BUT IN TERMS OF THE DRAINAGE COMMENTS, AT LEAST AS PROPOSED TODAY, I GUESS I'M ASSUMING STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE DRAINAGE PLAN AND I GUESS IS THERE ANY COMMENT OR ANY ISSUES OR I GUESS ARE THEY IN AGREEMENT WITH IT OR MAYBE JUST HIGH LEVEL AT LEAST? AND I KNOW WE MAYBE DON'T HAVE EVERYBODY HERE TO COMMENT ON THAT THIS EVENING, BUT I GUESS IS THERE AT LEAST BEEN MAYBE A REVIEW? YEAH, THERE HAS BEEN BEEN A REVIEW FROM OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND IT'S INDICATED THAT THE EXISTING STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM, PHASE TWO, IS DESIGNED AT TWENTY FIVE CFS, AND THAT CONSIDERED BOTH THE RUN OFF FROM STILLWATER IN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH, THE AND THIS IS FROM TMP, WHICH IS THE CITY'S THIRD PARTY, THE 603 KIMBALL DRIVE CALCULATES THAT 13 CFS WOULD BE ENCOUNTERED BY THE EXISTING STORM DRAIN SYSTEM DURING A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT, AND THAT IT'S THE EXISTING STORM DRAIN SHOULD HAVE SUFFICIENT CAPACITY FOR THE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS.

THE I THINK THE QUESTION BROUGHT UP AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH MR. HUBBELL'S CONCERNS AND HE HAS HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH I KNOW OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND ALL THE DOWNSTREAM WHAT'S PERCEIVED AS THE IMPACT ON THE POND.

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OK, BUT THE CITIES, THE CITIES POSITION ON THE ON THESE AMENITIES ARE RETENTION PONDS.

IS THAT, IT'S ULTIMATELY THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY GOES BACK TO THE HOA WHICH IS OUTLINED IN THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS AGREEMENTS.

OK, MAYBE I'LL CALL THE APPLICANT UP, IF THAT'S OK TO THE PODIUM AND CURTIS I GUESS I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOU, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK STAFF MIGHT HAVE HAD A IN THEIR PRESENTATION, DENNIS, THE DRAINAGE PLAN THAT SHOWS KIND OF, I GUESS, WHICH PART OF THE SITE DRAIN'S TO WHICH AREAS.

AND MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, CURTIS, CAN YOU JUST BEFORE WE GET INTO MAYBE THE ORIENTATION OF THE STREET, MAYBE JUST TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE WAYS OR I GUESS HOW DID YOU ATTACK THIS IN TERMS OF TRYING MAYBE AS MUCH AS YOU COULD TO AIM DRAINAGE KIND OF AWAY FROM THAT AREA, ALBEIT ADMITTEDLY, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S EXISTING CONDITIONS THERE TODAY, EVEN BEFORE THIS, BUT JUST TO HELP MITIGATE ANY IMPACT.

LET ME BRING OUR EXPERT IN, CLAYTON REDINGER IS THE CIVIL ENGINEER THAT PREPARED THESE PLANS AND LET HIM TALK ABOUT CAPACITY, AND HOPEFULLY YOU HEARD THE QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND STATING NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND MAYBE GIVING IT A SHOT AT AN ANSWER.

YEAH. I'M CLAYTON REDINGER, I LIVE AT 704 CIMARRON TRAILS, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

THE STREET INTERCEPTS ALL THE WATER THAT GOES TO IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

SO WE WEREN'T DIRECTING WATER WHEN WE WERE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PUSH IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER SO WHEN THE STREET COMES THROUGH, I THINK THE OTHER DRAINAGE AREA SHOWS THE EXISTING. HOW DO I GO BACK? BACK UP, WELL, YEAH.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE EXISTING DRAINAGE AREA.

BUT WHEN YOU PUT THE STREET THROUGH ANYTHING TO THE WEST OF THE STREET IS INTERCEPTED BY THE STREET AND IT GOES TO THE EXISTING CURB INLETS THAT ARE IN STILLWATER COURT.

THE ISSUE WITH THE POND IS NOT REALLY ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM TO CONVEY THE WATER.

IT'S ABOUT THE EROSION THAT'S OCCURRING WEST OF KIMBALL AND DEPOSITING SOIL INTO THEIR POND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FROM THE HOA AND OUR DESIGN DOESN'T MAKE THAT ANY BETTER OR WORSE. IT HAS NO IMPACT ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WEST OF KIMBALL, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE LONG ON THE OVERALL FLOW OF WATER COMING THROUGH KIMBALL AND UNDER KIMBALL AND THEN ULTIMATELY THROUGH THE POND.

IT JUST DOESN'T, AS YOU KNOW, INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF IMPACT.

SO BEFORE I GO ON TO ANOTHER TOPIC, I GUESS I'LL SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON DRAINAGE. OK, CURTIS, I GUESS IN TERMS OF THE STREET ORIENTATION AND YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND WE REFERENCED IT IN THE STAFF PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS HAVE KIND OF REFERENCED IT.

YOU KNOW AT CORRIDOR MEETING, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLANS.

AND I THINK ONE OF THEM, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT DIDN'T HAVE A STREET, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, FOR BETTER FOR WORSE, IT HAD MAYBE FOUR HOMES FRONTING OFF STILLWATER AND MAYBE TWO OF COTSWOLD.

SO THERE WASN'T A CONNECTER STREET PER SE, I GUESS MAYBE SAME AMOUNT OF LOT'S STILL CONSISTENT WITH LANDY'S PLAN.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE RESIDENTS AREN'T YOU KNOW, AT LEAST YOU'RE STATING YOU'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT PER SE, IT'S MORE MAYBE HOW.

I GUESS, CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT PLANS YOU WENT THROUGH, MAYBE THAT CONCEPT IN GENERAL IN TERMS OF NOT HAVING A CONNECTOR STREET? YES, I MEAN, THE FIRST ONE WE DID WAS JUST A ROAD THAT SLIGHTLY CURVED HERE AND HAD ROOM FOR THREE LOTS ON THIS SIDE FRONTING THAT ROAD AND THREE LOTS LARGER LOTS ON THIS SIDE FRONT THAT ROAD ALSO.

WELL, WHAT WE AND I THINK THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE DIDN'T LIKE ABOUT IT IS THAT A, THE ROAD DIDN'T CURVE AS MUCH AS THIS ONE DID.

SO IT WASN'T AS INTERESTING.

BUT ALSO THESE HOMES WILL BE LOOKING AT THE SIDE OF THIS HOME RATHER THAN THE FRONT.

AND IT'S THE FRONT OF HOMES THAT PROVIDE THE BEST PRESENCE THAT YOU WANT TO BE LOOKING AT. SO THAT WAS KIND OF REJECTED AS A GOOD OPTION.

THIS OPTION ALLOWS US TO TAKE LOTS, ONE AND TWO AND HAVE THEM ACTUALLY FRONT STILLWATER COURT, SIMILAR TO YOU CAN SEE THE THE NORTH SIDE OF THOSE TWO LOTS THAT ALSO FRONT STILLWATER COURT. AND THEN LOT THREE WOULD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FRONT OUR STREET.

BUT SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, THIS LOT HERE, WHICH IS KIND OF TUCKED AWAY BEHIND THE CUL DE

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AND, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THAT, OF COURSE, WE LIKE THE WAY THAT THIS ALLOWED US TO TO BE BETTER AT SAVING THE MOST SIGNIFICANT TREES IN HERE AND IN HERE.

NOW, THE FOURTH OR THE THIRD OPTION THAT WE PRESENTED AT THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE WAS JUST FRONTING FOUR LOTS DIRECTLY ON TO STILLWATER, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THEN HAVING TWO LOTS.

ONE THAT WOULD BE A LONG, DEEP LOT HERE AND A LOT SIMILAR TO LOT NUMBER SIX HERE THAT WOULD BE ACCESSED AT THE END OF THIS CUL DE SAC THROUGH AN ACCESS EASEMENT OR A STUB ROAD GOING IN OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

AND THE ROAD WOULD NOT GO THROUGH.

THAT WAS PRESENTED TO IN THE FEEDBACK WE GOT WAS, NO, WE DON'T LIKE THAT APPROACH.

WE THINK WE OUGHT TO CONNECT ROADS AND AND WE LIKE THIS VERSION THAT THAT CONNECTS IT IN A MORE PLAYFUL WAY, IF YOU WILL, AND ALLOWS THE STREET LIGHTS TO BE FRONTED TOWARD THEIR NEIGHBORS. YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, SIX WOULD WOULD FRONT ON THE STREET, JUST LIKE THE LOT IN THE STANDS HERE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF IT.

SO THIS ONE REALLY WORKS WITH THE NEIGHBORING HOMES QUITE WELL, I THINK.

ANYWAY, THAT'S, AS I SAID, HOW WE CAME UP WITH THIS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT TOPIC OR ANY OTHER TOPICS THE APPLICANT, GIVEN WHAT WE HEARD AT A PUBLIC HEARING? OK, OK, IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP, SO THANK YOU.

UH, MAYBE I'LL JUST OPEN IT UP TO EDITORIAL COMMENT AND VICE CHAIRMAN LOOKS LIKE HE'S READY TO HOP IN HERE, SO.

WELL, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.

NO CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRODUCT.

OBVIOUSLY, IT'S HISTORICALLY A GOOD PRODUCT.

THE DEVELOPER IS A GOOD DEVELOPER.

TO ME THIS IS ONE THAT IS GOING TO GO.

THE QUESTION IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE WITH THE STREET? AND I THINK, CURTIS, IF YOU WERE TO ME, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THIS TO COUNCIL KIND OF LIKE YOU DID THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE WITH TWO OR THREE OPTIONS, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET THERE, IT'S JUST WHICH OPTION IS GOING TO BE THE ONE CHOSEN.

THAT WAS [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE I WAS GOING TO GO IN TERMS OF IT, DEPENDING ON HOW OUR DISCUSSION GOES, IF THERE'S ONE VERSION, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE IT'S THIS ONE OR, YOU KNOW, THAT WE RECOMMEND.

BUT WE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE VERSION WE JUST MENTIONED, HAVING KIND OF AN ALTERNATE VERSION THAT IN BETWEEN OUR MEETING AND COUNCIL, THEY COULD SOCIALIZE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THEN MAYBE SOCIALIZE WITH COUNCIL AND SEE IF THERE'S YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT SOUNDS LIKE NOBODY HERE IS TRYING TO SAY NOTHING SHOULD BE DEVELOPED. I THINK IT'S MORE HOW AND SEE IF MAYBE THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S AT LEAST A REFINEMENT OF WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US THAT MAYBE MAKES MORE PEOPLE HAPPY, MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY, BUT MORE.

BUT I KIND OF LIKE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY HEAD WAS GOING TO.

OTHER THOUGHTS, IDEAS, COMMENTS.

YEAH, I THINK COUNCIL WILL APPRECIATE OPTIONS.

MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I REALLY LIKE THIS.

I THINK JUST THE LESS RIGIDITY OF A STRAIGHT ROAD THAT RUNS INTO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF STILLWATER COURT, UM, I THINK THE MOVEMENT IN THE STREET LOOKS GOOD. YOU KNOW, AND I ECHO THOSE COMMENTS, I GUESS THE ONLY OPTION YOU'D HAVE TO REALLY TRY AND CONFIGURE EGRESS AND INGRESS INTO THIS BE ANOTHER CUL DE SAC COMING OFF KIMBALL, WHICH MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN AND I LIKE OLD COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS COMMENT ABOUT IF THIS WERE A STRAIGHT STREET GOING THROUGH HERE I THINK THAT'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ISSUE TO ME THAN IF IT'S GOT A BEND IN IT, AS IT DOES WITH [INAUDIBLE] OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I GUESS MAYBE WHAT I WOULD NOTE, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, IS MAYBE THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO PRESENT AT LEAST AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK COURTESY WAS KIND OF MORE OR LESS FROM THE COURT ORDER COMMITTEE MEETING. I GUESS IT'S CALLED CONCEPT PLAN C THAT YOU REFERENCED THAT DOESN'T HAVE A STREET HAS MAYBE FOUR LOTS AT THE TOP, TWO AT THE BOTTOM AND A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, MAYBE IF YOU COULD SKETCH THAT OUT AGAIN, ONE, SOCIALIZE IT WITH THE RESIDENTS TO GET FEEDBACK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PROS AND CONS TO THAT ONE, TOO.

AND THEN TWO, MAYBE AT LEAST A PRELIMINARY STAB WITH YOUR DRAINAGE PERSON ON EXACTLY HOW THAT ONE WOULD DRAIN. AND IF THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY MITIGATES THE DRAINAGE ISSUE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WORTH CONSIDERING AS WELL.

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MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER NINE ON THE AGENDA, ZA21-0058, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 13TH, 2021.

ALSO SUBJECT TO THE PLAN REVIEW, SUMMARY NUMBER TWO, DATED AUGUST 13TH, 2021, AND APPROVING THE VARIANCES, AS WELL AS NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO PRESENT AT LEAST ONE ALTERNATIVE FOR THE ROADWAY OR ACCESS TO THE LOTS TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND I THINK THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OK, LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE.

MOTION PASSES SIX-ZERO.

AND WHAT I'LL EXPLAIN TO THE RESIDENTS IS OUR NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS ON SEPTEMBER 7TH. IT'S A TUESDAY.

SO I'D SAY THAT THE OPPOSITION THAT YOU HAVE HERE WILL BE A PART OF THAT PACKAGE, IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO COUNCIL.

THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE REACHING OUT TO YOU WITH AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTS IT LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, WHERE MAYBE THERE'S NOT A STREET AND MAYBE SOME DRAINAGE ADJUSTMENTS THERE AS WELL.

AND THAT DISCUSSION CAN CONTINUE FROM TONIGHT INTO THE COUNCIL MEETING.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE ROAD MAP FROM HERE.

HOPEFULLY THAT'S HELPFUL. SO THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR COMING OUT.

NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER TEN ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS A ZONING CHANGE

[10. Consider: Ordinance No. 480-787, (ZA21-0059) Zoning Change and Concept/Site Plan for Phillips Edison Development ]

AS YOU MENTIONED, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A SITE PLAN AND ZONING CHANGE TO REDEVELOP THE TEXACO GASOLINE CONVENIENT STORE BUILDING THAT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SUNTREE SHOPPING CENTER OR THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH WHITE CHAPEL AND WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THIS PROPOSAL WOULD COMBINE THE TEXACO CURRENTLY TEXACO STATION AND THE TOM THUMB ANCHORED SHOPPING CENTER UNDER ONE ZONING CLASSIFICATION.

THE PROPERTIES INVOLVED ARE LOCATED AT ONE HUNDRED AND 110 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS RETAIL COMMERCIAL.

AND THE ZONING ON THE LARGER TRACT, THE TOM THUMB ANCHORED CENTER, IS SP2 UNDER ORDINANCE 480-297 AND THE TEXACO STATION IS SP2 ZONED AND IS A REMNANT OF THE ORIGINAL ZONING OF THIS AREA UNDER ORDINANCE 480-38.

AND THAT IS A C3 MODELED SP2 DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SITE, THE SPECIFIC AREA OF REDEVELOPMENT IS AT 110 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN UNDER THE ORIGINAL ZONING.

THE CENTER WAS ANCHORED BY ANOTHER GROCER, A FOOD LINE GROCER.

ORIGINALLY IT WAS REZONED AND REDEVELOPED.

A PORTION OF THAT AND SOME ADDITIONAL LAND AREA ADDED TO IT FOR A TOM THUMB ANCHOR, THE TEXACO GASOLINE STATION WAS NOT A PART OF THAT ZONING APPLICATION AND SITE PLAN AND REZONING TOOK PLACE THAT PUT THE LARGER PORTION OF THIS TRACT UNDER A NEW SP2 ZONING DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, THE ZONING WOULD COMBINE BOTH TRACKS UNDER ONE ZONING AND

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THE ZONING INTENDS TO RETAIN THE CURRENT PERMITTED USES OF THE LARGER GROCER ANCHOR.

IT IS C THREE AND C TWO BASED ZONING WITH SEVERAL USES THAT HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED AS PERMITTED USES, THE LIST OF THOSE ELIMINATED USES ARE ON OUR SLIDE.

THE ZONING REGULATIONS WILL ESSENTIALLY STAY THE SAME WITH SOME MINOR CHANGES, THE OVERALL PARKING RATIO WOULD SLIGHTLY CHANGE UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING JUST FOR THE GROCERY STORE STRIP RETAIL ANCHOR, A CURRENT RATIO IS THAT TO ONE SPACE FOR TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FOUR SPACES.

IF COMBINED WITH THE GASOLINE SERVICE STATION AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS WITH PARKING, THAT RATIO IS TECHNICALLY ONE SPACE PER TERM 60.

WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OF THE GAS STATION SITE, THE OVERALL PERMITTED PARKING RATIO WOULD BE ONE SPACE PER 268, WITH SHARED PARKING OCCURRING BETWEEN BOTH SITES.

ADDITIONALLY, AND WITH THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY REGULATIONS, THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING ON THE CORNER, ANY BUILDINGS LESS THAN 6000 SQUARE FEET ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A PITCHED ROOF TYPE DESIGN. AND THEY ARE PROPOSING A FLAT ROOF WITH PARAPET TYPE DESIGN AND ADDING THAT AS A REGULATION ADDITIONALLY CARRIED OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS ZONING, ARTICULATION OF ALL BUILDINGS ARE TO BE AS REPRESENTED ON THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND ELEVATION'S.

THIS IS THE APPLICANTS TRAFFIC SUMMARY BASED ON EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THEIR TRACK TRAFFIC EVALUATION OF THE SITE.

THE LOWER CHART IS THE PROPOSED ESTIMATIONS BASED ON PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

ACCORDING TO THEIR ESTIMATIONS, THE TOTAL TRIP COUNTS.

THERE'S A SLIGHT, SLIGHT REDUCTION IN TOTAL AND A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE PEAK VOLUME PERIODS FOR THE CENTER, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, THIRD PARTY TRAFFIC ENGINEERING FIRM THAT REVIEWS OUR PLANS LEE ENGINEERING HAS DONE EVALUATION ON THIS.

THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS AND POSSIBLE DISAGREEMENTS AND SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS BETWEEN THEIR ANALYSIS AND OUR THIRD PARTY FIRMS ANALYSIS THAT STILL ARE UNRESOLVED.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION PLAN SHOWING ALL ITEMS TO BE REMOVED, THE DRIVE AISLE CURRENTLY WITHIN THE GROCERY ANCHORED RETAIL CENTER WOULD BE REMOVED AND THIS WOULD BE THIS BOUNDARY WOULD BE REALIGNED.

AND A DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE WITH A LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN THAT AND THE COMMON ACCESS DRIVEWAY WOULD BE RECONSTRUCTED.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THIS FOR THE SITE.

AND THIS WOULD BE THE PROPOSED DRIVE THRU LANE ADDED ALONG WITH THE LANDSCAPE STRIP, WITH REMOVAL OF THAT TIER OF PARKING ALONG THAT DRIVE AILSE.

THIS IS THE TREE REMOVAL PRESERVATION PLAN, AND SEVERAL OF THE EXISTING MATURE TREES THAT WERE PLANTED WITH THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT ARE INTENDED TO BE RETAINED.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED ELEVATION'S FOR THE NEW BUILDING.

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THIS IS THE VIEW, LOOKING EAST ALONG THE WESTBOUND LANES OF SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AND THE WESTERN DRIVEWAY, THAT PRIMARILY ACCESSES THIS SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

AND THIS VIEW LOOKING NORTH WITH NORTH WHITE CHAPEL OVER TO THE RIGHT.

AND I VIEW LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, AND THIS IS THE COMMON DRIVE ENTRY.

THIS IS THE NOTIFICATION AREA FOR NOTIFICATIONS SENT, WE'VE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION.

OK, QUESTIONS, GONNA NEED TO TURN THE MICROPHONE, SORRY, YEAH, YEAH YOU'RE GOOD.

WILL THEY BE REQUIRED TO REMOVE THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS BY TCQ OR PINE VALLEY? YES, YES, OK, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S HOPEFULLY A STATE THING.

THEY CAN'T OUT OF THEIR HANDS.

OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ANYTHING FOR NOW? OK, GO AHEAD AND INVITE THE APPLICANT UP HERE ON THIS ONE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU KNOW OUR DISTASTE FOR LONG PRESENTATIONS.

SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN KIND OF KEEP IT FOCUSED FOR US IF THAT'S OK.

GOOD EVENING, CLAY CHRISTIE. CLAYMORE ENGINEERING, 1903 CENTRAL DRIVE, BEDFORD, TEXAS.

AS ALWAYS, DENNIS HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN TAKING MOST OF MY THUNDER AWAY FOR THE PRESENTATION. SO WE'LL KEEP IT BRIEF JUST TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE PURPOSE AND THE REASONING IS THAT WE'RE HERE REPRESENTING PHILLIPS EDISON TODAY.

THE TEXACO, IN THEIR MIND IN THIS SHOPPING CENTER, HAS LIVED ITS SERVICE LIFE.

IT'S BEEN A GOOD GAS STATION THERE, BUT IT'S TIME TO REDEVELOP AND PUT SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE FACE OF THAT CORNER THAT'S GOING TO BRING SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT NICER, NOT QUITE AS OLD AS WHAT THE TEXACO AND SO WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU GUYS TODAY IS TO REMOVE THAT AND REPLACE IT IN THE TOM THUMB SHOPPING CENTER.

THIS IS JUST A QUICK LITTLE RENDERING OF TRYING TO GIVE YOU GUYS A QUICK PERSPECTIVE OF A LITTLE BIT OF A MODEL, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.

I THINK WE'RE, AGAIN, ALL AWARE WE HAVE A SMALL LITTLE FUEL STATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE. AND DENNIS HAD SOME PROBABLY SOME BETTER PICTURES THAN WHAT I HAVE UP THERE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING AT JUST UNDER 5000 SQUARE FEET.

WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH THE CHARACTER OF THE TOM THUMB SHOPPING CENTER TO MUCH SMALLER SCALE. BUT FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, TRYING TO KEEP IT IN A SIMILAR PLANE ELEVATION A TYPE DESIGN FOR THE BUILDING AND WHAT WE HAVE THERE PROPOSED.

THE SITE DESIGN, WE ARE TRYING TO, THE PROPERTY LINE, AS DENNIS MENTIONED, IS GROWING A LITTLE BIT. THE REASON FOR THAT IS TRYING TO PROMOTE BETTER ACCESS AND CIRCULATION THROUGHOUT THE SITE SO THAT THERE'S A CONTINUATION OF THAT MAIN DRIVE THAT WOULD GO IN AND KIND OF LOOP EVERYTHING AROUND VERSUS RIGHT NOW WHEN ARE YOU PULL IN THAT DRIVE YOU GO RIGHT INTO THE CARWASH.

AND SO IT KIND OF LIMITS THE ACCESS TO THE OVERALL SHOPPING CENTER AND PROMOTES BETTER CIRCULATION THROUGH THERE.

WE HAVE THE DRIVE THRU THAT'S LOCATED AT THE BACK OF THE SITE SO THAT IT'S LESS VISIBLE ALONG 1709.

ALL THE ORDER POINTS AND EVERYTHING ARE ALSO LOCATED BACK THERE TO PRESENT LESS OF A HAZARD. THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE CHANGING, WHICH IS MINOR, BUT THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE CURRENTLY FACES 1709.

WE'RE REWINDING THAT, SO THAT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROADWAY, FROM WHENEVER IT'S OPEN AND CLOSE AND TRYING TO RELOCATE AND FACE THAT OPENING TO THE NORTH, BACK IN THE SHOPPING CENTER DEVELOPMENT. DENNIS ALREADY SHOWED THIS TOO YOU BUT THIS IS OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN.

WE HAVE FULL DESIRE TO COME IN, DRESSED THAT UP AND PUT IN NEW LANDSCAPING IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND WITH THAT, I'M VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE. BRAVO FOR THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY VERSION.

APPRECIATE IT, I GUESS WE'LL JUST OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, YES SIR.

FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE THAT IT IS A IT'S TIME FOR REPLACEMENT OF WHAT IS THERE.

THE DRIVE THRU, THOUGH.

DOES THAT SUGGEST THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE A TENANT? WE DO NOT CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE A TENANT.

WE HAVE WE'RE OBVIOUSLY LOOKING FOR THAT.

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OK, THE I WAS LOOKING AT SLIDE FIFTEEN AND STAFF'S PRESENTATION, WHICH IS THE ELEVATIONS.

IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE NORTH AND THE WEST ELEVATIONS OF THIS BUILDING NEED TO BE ENHANCED SOMEWHAT.

GRANTED, THEY FACE THE INTERIOR OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC INTO THAT SHOPPING CENTER IS INTERIOR.

AND I THINK SOME CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN STRAIGHT BRICK WALLS ON THE NORTH AND THE WEST SIDE.

SO I DON'T KNOW FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT IF THAT'S A CONSIDERATION OR NOT.

BUT I JUST I'LL MAKE THAT AS A COMMENT.

THE CUING IN TRAFFIC STUDY AND YOU'VE TALKED TO THAT.

HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES INTO THE STARBUCKS ON WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, THAT SEEMS TO BE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT MIGHT BE SIMILAR TO THIS OR WAS THAT A CONSIDERATION AT ALL? SO WE HAVE AND JUST REAL QUICK ON THE ELEVATIONS AND THEN LET'S GO TO THE TRAFFIC REAL QUICK. AND I THINK HE'S GOT IT RIGHT HERE.

SO WE DID TRY TO CONTEMPLATE THAT A LITTLE BIT ON THIS.

AND I THINK THAT DENNIS HAS IT RIGHT HERE.

SO ON THE NORTH AND THE WEST ELEVATIONS, WE DID TRY TO ENHANCE RIGHT NOW, WE CREATED THAT LARGER LANDSCAPE BUFFER IN BETWEEN THAT AND THE SHOPPING CENTER WHERE YOU NOTICE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE TREES AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO TRY TO HELP ENHANCE AND SCREEN THAT. I'LL DEFINITELY TAKE THAT BACK TO OUR GROUP AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH IF WE'RE ABLE TO TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE'LL DEFINITELY CONTEMPLATE THAT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO, THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT PROCESS, THOSE THAT WE WOULD TRY TO ENHANCE THAT SCREENING OF THOSE BUILDING FACADES BETWEEN THAT AND THE TOM THUMB SHOPPING CENTER THROUGH MORE LANDSCAPING AND GREENERY IS WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

AS FOR TRAFFIC, WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY TAKE INTO STARBUCKS INTO ACCOUNT OR ANALYZE THAT, BUT WE DID DO THIS AS A COFFEE SHOP.

ONE THING TO NOTE IS THAT THIS IS A COFFEE SHOP OR A RESTAURANT.

BUT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IN OUR TRAFFIC STUDIES, PROMOTE THE ONE THAT WOULD HAVE THE HIGHEST GENERATION OF TRAFFIC FOR YOU GUYS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW THE THE EXTREME ON THAT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, AS WE ALL KNOW, COFFEE SHOPS, ESPECIALLY IN THE MORNING, IS WHENEVER THEY'RE GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. THE ONE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT IS THAT WHENEVER THE COFFEE SHOP IS PEAKING IN THE MORNING, THE MAJORITY OF THE SHOPPING CENTER WILL BE EMPTY OR CLOSED AT THAT POINT IN TIME. SO WE DID INCLUDE THAT.

THE ONLY THING THAT KIND OF GETS INTO AND WHERE DENNIS MENTIONED THAT [INAUDIBLE] DISAGREEMENT, BUT THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING OUT AS OF LAST FRIDAY, WE RECEIVED SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THE TRAFFIC AND THE QUEUING ANALYSIS AND THE ITE MANUAL, WHICH THE QUEUING ANALYSIS IS KIND OF BASED OFF OF, THAT YOU GENERATE THOSE TRAFFIC.

THEY DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR COFFEE SHOPS.

SO YOU KIND OF USE THE DRIVE THROUGH OF RESTAURANTS AND SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING OUT WITH HIM AS FAR AS THE 95 PERCENTILE OF THE QUEUING ANALYSIS OF WHAT WE HAVE.

BUT WE DID TRY TO ANALYZE THIS AS A COFFEE SHOP AND AS MUCH SERVICE AS WE HAVE AND UTILIZING EXISTING OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT THAT WORKS FOR US HAS DONE QUITE A FEW OF THE DIFFERENT COFFEE SHOPS. AND THEY'RE WORKING WITH SOME THAT HAVE DONE SOME ANALYSIS ON THAT AND UTILIZING THAT AS A REFERENCE FOR WHAT WE HAVE FOR CUEING, YES SIR.

OK, AND I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE COMMENT ABOUT USING LANDSCAPING AS A BUFFER.

BUT I THINK A MATURITY THAT'S GOING TO BE GOOD UP TO THAT POINT MAY NOT BE THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I WOULD MAKE, I AGREE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT IN TERMS OF TRYING TO COMPLIMENT THE REST OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.

THAT, TO ME, WOULD SUPPORT THE FLAT ROOF CONCEPT, AS YOU'VE SHOWN HERE WITH PARAPETS.

IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME TO CHANGE THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE ROOF LINE THAT WOULD BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE REST OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, IN MY OPINION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. DR.

SPRINGER, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BEING A DRIVE THROUGH HERE, ESPECIALLY SEEING AS HOW THAT I SHOP IN THIS LOCATION QUITE A BIT AND GETTING IN AND OUT OF HERE, ESPECIALLY DURING THE LUNCH HOUR, AND IT'S NOT EVEN A DRIVE THROUGH NOW.

IT'S JUST PRETTY MUCH THE LANDSCAPE GUYS, ALL BLOCK EVERYTHING UP.

BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS LIKE ANOTHER CHICK FILLET WHERE PEOPLE ARE BACKED OUT ONTO 1709 OUT THERE TRYING TO YOU KNOW AT LUNCHTIME AND IT'S JUST BACKED UP OUT INTO THE STREET AND BUT THIS THE WAY THE DRIVES COME IN AND OUT OF HERE AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT WHITE'S CHAPEL, I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU HAVE TO CONTEND WITH, AND SO, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THERE IS GOING TO BE WITH THIS DRIVE THROUGH IS GOING TO YOU KNOW, REALLY CARRY THE WHATEVER IS GOING TO DICTATE THE TRAFFIC.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT A BIG LUNCH CROWD THAN I AM A MORNING CROWD WITH COFFEE. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I SUPPORT REPLACING THIS THING, BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO PUT JUST SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE BACKING TRAFFIC UP ONTO WHITE'S CHAPEL AND LIKE, TOTALLY, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

MS. SPRINGER. I ALSO SHOP AT THIS TOM THUMB, PROBABLY MORE OFTEN THAN MY WIFE DOES.

AND COULD YOU GET RID OF THE SPEED BUMPS?

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SO AS FOR THE CUEING ANALYSIS AND JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT AND THE AMOUNT OF STACKING THAT WE HAVE, WHENEVER WE WERE WORKING WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND MARKETING THE SITE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, WE DO HAVE A RELATIVELY SMALL FOOTPRINT THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH HERE. AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT IS PRETTY INTENSE.

AND THE OVERWHELMING THING THAT CAME BACK TO US IS A LOT OF THE TENANTS, WHENEVER WE WERE TALKING TO, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS OF EVERYTHING ELSE, IS THAT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH, WHETHER IT BE A COFFEE SHOP OR RESTAURANT, IS PRETTY INTEGRAL WITH THAT JUST BECAUSE WHENEVER SOME PLACES WERE SHUT DOWN, IF THEY HAD TO DRIVE THROUGH, THEY WERE ABLE TO RETAIN AND REMAIN OPERATING.

AND SO THAT WAS REALLY A CRITICAL PART OF US TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT.

WE DID IMMEDIATELY TAKE AN ACCOUNT AND WHEN WE WERE AT CORRIDOR COMMITTEE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I BROUGHT UP WAS THE CUEING.

AND SO THAT'S WHENEVER WE CAME TO THAT WE HAD OUR QUEUING ANALYSIS DONE.

WE ALSO REARRANGED THE SITE ORIGINALLY.

THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU GUYS SAW AT CORRIDOR COMMITTEE HAD ABOUT A LITTLE LESS OR A LITTLE MORE THAN HALF OF WHAT WE HAD ON THE ON THE STACKING.

WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, RE-ORIENTATED A COUPLE OF THINGS, MOVE THINGS AROUND TO TRY TO REALLY INCREASE THE STACKING ABILITY ON THAT SITE PLAN AND TRY TO GET TO WHERE WE COULD GET THE MOST CARS THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD WHILE RETAINING THAT.

AND THEN ALSO BY TRYING TO PUT IT AT THE BACK OF THE SITE WHERE THERE'S ABLE TO YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ABLE TO KIND OF RETAIN THAT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CIRCULATION IF THERE'S A TRAFFIC PROBLEM IN THE SHOPPING CENTER WITH OUR WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HURTS THE OVERALL SHOPPING CENTER, THIS ISN'T A DEAL WHERE OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM JUST OWNS THE HARD CORNER AND THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE TOM THUMB. THEY MANAGE THE ENTIRE FACILITY AND EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

AND SO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT IS KEEP SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE COMPLEMENTARY TO BOTH AND NOT IMPACT THE LARGER CENTER AT THE BACK, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY HAS A LARGE TENANT OF TOM THUMB THAT WE'RE GOING TO RETAIN TO KEEP HAPPY.

SO I GUESS KIND OF TALKING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A WORLD OF TRADE OFFS IN TERMS OF, IF YOU LIKE, THE THOUGHT OF GETTING RID OF A GAS STATION AND UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS AND AN OLD BUILDING AND AND MAYBE THE LANDSCAPE CREWS THAT PULL UP THERE, YOU KNOW, THE TRADE OFF ECONOMICALLY IS DRIVE THROUGH, I GUESS.

CAN YOU TALK THROUGH? YOU KNOW, I THINK THEORETICALLY IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA IF YOU CAN PUT IT IN THE SITE AND MAKE IT WORK. SO I GUESS ON THIS SITE PLAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE WHERE THE RED ARROW IS, BUT IF YOU KIND OF MOVE FORWARD A LITTLE BIT FROM THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GRAB THE CURSOR UP THERE AND MAYBE MAKE THAT WAY.

WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME AREA, YOU KNOW, COME DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT RIGHT THERE. SO THAT ENTRANCE EXIT FROM YOUR PAD.

HAVE YOU LOOKED AT EITHER IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ENTRANCE TO THE SITE FROM WHITE'S CHAPEL WAS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, FUNCTIONING AS GOOD AS POSSIBLE? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT EITHER? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BLOCKING IT OFF.

THAT MIGHT BE TOO EXTREME, BUT MAYBE SOMETHING TO WHERE IT'S JUST A RIGHT TURN OUT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN'T PULL IN OFF WHITE'S CHAPEL AND IMMEDIATELY STOP AND TRY TO MAKE A LEFT.

AND POTENTIALLY, IF YOU DO GET CUEING BEYOND ELEVEN CARS, THEN YOU'VE GOT A JAMMED UP ACCESS POINT TO THE CENTER, SOMETHING THAT PREVENTS THAT FROM HAPPENING, THAT MAYBE IT'S I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT SO LONG AS THERE'S A DRIVE THROUGH THERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC CONTROL THERE, BUT TO THE EXTENT THERE'S NOT A DRIVE THROUGH, MAYBE IT OPENS BACK UP.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH IDEAS ON, YOU KNOW, HOW TO MITIGATE ANY RISK THAT I GUESS THAT IT THAT IT DOES CUE BEYOND THAT, AND MAYBE TRY TO CONTAIN THAT EXTRA TRAFFIC ON THAT PAD.

I GUESS DID YOU LOOK AT THAT OR THINK ABOUT THAT.

SO WE DID.

WE KIND OF EVEN CAME UP WITH A COUPLE DIFFERENT SITE PLAN OPTIONS TO TRY TO HOW WE CAN TRY TO CURB THAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

ONE THING THAT DID KIND OF DICTATE WHEN WE DID OUR CUEING ANALYSIS IS WE WENT TO AND THIS IS KIND OF STANDARD OPERATING AS FOR YOUR CUEING ANALYSIS, YOU LOOK AT YOUR 95TH PERCENTILE OF WHAT THE QUEUING IS GOING TO BE.

SO 95 PERCENT OF THE TIME, WHAT IS THE MAX QUEUING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE? AND THAT'S WHERE THE 11 PARKING SPACES WENT.

SO THERE IS THAT FIVE PERCENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WHERE IT COULD GROW LARGER OR IF SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN AND SOMETHING WOULD BACK UP.

AT THAT INSTANCE, WHAT WE ORIGINALLY TRIED TO DO WAS WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BEND THE DRIVE THROUGH DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH FOR THAT ENTRANCEWAY IN THERE.

THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD WITH THAT IS THAT IS ALSO THE RETAIL SIDE.

AND SO THAT'S THE VIABILITY, SO YOU START GETTING THE STACK AND THE QUEUING OF A DRIVE THROUGH INTO THE RETAIL SIDE IF WE'VE BEND THAT AROUND.

AND SO THAT REALLY HURTS THE YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HARD

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I CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THE OPTION AND SEE WHAT IT IS.

RIGHT IT LIKE A RIGHT OUT ONLY OR TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THERE.

I HAVEN'T WE DIDN'T REALLY NECESSARILY GO INTO THAT INTO A DETAIL OF TRYING TO JUST GO IN LIKE A RIGHT OUT ONLY TYPE TURN.

BUT WE DID LOOK AT SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION THAT WHERE THAT'S LOCATED RIGHT NOW IS IN THE APPROXIMATE SAME LOCATION WHERE THE FUEL STATION IS.

AND SO FROM THAT DEAL, THAT IS A KNOWN TRAFFIC PATTERN.

FROM THAT TYPE OF STANDPOINT, THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE HAVE IS THE DRIVE THROUGH.

AND SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING I'M SURE WE COULD WORK OUT A DEAL OR SOME KIND OF AN AGREEMENT TO HAVE SOMETHING OUT THERE, IF IT WAS TO BECOME, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF AN OPTION OR SOME SORT OF AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY HAVE YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN IT HAVE THERE NOBODY WANTS TO DRIVE BACKING UP INTO WHITE'S CHAPEL AND CAUSING AN ISSUE TO WHERE WE COULD TRY TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY TO TO CONE THAT OFF WHERE YOU CAN'T ENTER IT IN OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE? I WOULD HOPEFULLY TRY NOT TO GO AGAINST A RIGHT OUT ONLY MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO LIMIT THE END, JUST BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CIRCULATION THROUGHOUT THE CENTER TO WHERE I DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY THAT GOES THROUGH, SAY THEY DRIVE THROUGH AND THEY DON'T FIND A PARKING SPOT OR THEY'RE CUTTING THROUGH THERE AND TRYING TO GET TO TOM THUMB.

I DON'T WANT TO GET SOMEBODY IN THAT AREA AND THEN JUST IMMEDIATELY FUNNEL THEM BACK OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER. WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO KEEP THEM THAT WAY.

AND THEN THE REASON WHY WE HAD THAT TWO WAY ACCESS IS WE DO HAVE THE 90 DEGREE STALL SO THAT PEOPLE COULD COME IN AND PARK AND ACCESS IT THAT WAY.

WELL, MAYBE I GUESS IF THERE IS A WAY THAT YOU CAN GOVERN IT TO A ONE WAY AND YOU TRULY DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY IN ABILITY FOR SOMEONE TO TRY TO PULL IN THERE IN THE WRONG WAY, AND MAYBE THAT COULD BE INTERESTING.

BUT THAT WAS THE THOUGHT THAT KEPT RESONATING IN MY MIND IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN. BUT IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION.

OTHERS WANT JUMP IN? WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS WHAT I FIND AS BEING THE BIGGEST DIFFICULTY GETTING OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER THROUGH THIS ENTRANCE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING TOWARD SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AND TURNING RIGHT.

AND THAT'S A TURN LANE THERE.

SO THAT IS THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.

AND LIKE DURING DURING LUNCH TIME AND SUCH, THERE'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC TO CONTEND WITH, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC IS FLOWING IN THROUGH THERE AS WELL. SO, I MEAN, IT'S A TOUGH ONE MAN, THAT'S JUST A REALLY, REALLY BUSY AREA.

AND THE GRADE CHANGE DOESN'T HELP ANYTHING AT ALL.

I MEAN, THAT RIGHT THERE IS THE KICKER.

THERE IS THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE GRADE CHANGE.

AND WHETHER THAT'S REDEVELOPING THIS PART OF THAT CHALLENGE WAS GETTING ADA ACCESS BACK UP TO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK SO THAT IN CASE SOMEBODY WAS THERE.

AND SO WE HAD TO GET PRETTY CREATIVE WITH THAT JUST BEING COMPLETELY OPEN.

AND SO I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WITH WHAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

OKAY OTHER QUESTIONS.

COMMENTS. JUST ONE.

AS YOU WERE TALKING THROUGH THE ACCESS POINT, HAVE YOU GIVEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO PUTTING YOUR ENTRY POINT TO THE DRIVEWAY, TO THE WEST A LITTLE BIT INSTEAD OF IN THAT NORTH SOUTH DRIVE SO THAT YOU WOULD COME IN AND YOU'D HAVE MAYBE TO THAT FIRST ISLAND WOULD BE THE POINT THAT YOU WOULD THEN ENTER THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE AS OPPOSED TO AN ELONGATED DRIVE THROUGH LANE THAT'S PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO BE FULL UNLESS IT'S A CHICK-FIL-A.

SO, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TWO ACRES.

SO THE CHICK-FIL-A OPTION ISN'T THERE.

BUT WE DID LOOK AT THAT.

THE PROBLEM IN ACTUALLY OUR ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT WE HAD A CORRIDOR COMMITTEE CONNECTED THE DRIVE THROUGH ONTO THAT BACK ACCESS A LITTLE FURTHER WEST.

THE PROBLEM THAT WE FOUND WAS, IS THAT WE DIDN'T MEET THE 95 PERCENTILE WHEN WE HAD OUR QUEUING ANALYSIS. AND SO WHENEVER WE DID THAT AND WE SAID, HEY, OUR QUEUING ANALYSIS SHOWS 11 SPACES THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE, AND SO IN ORDER TO GET THAT 11 SPACES, WE FOLD THAT DRIVE BACK FURTHER TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AT THAT ENTRANCE.

THE OTHER THING THAT WE CONTEMPLATED WHEN WE WERE DOING THAT IS YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD LITTLE AS MR. SPRINGER WAS STATING THAT THAT DRIVE GETS PRETTY BUSY GOING BACK AND FORTH FROM PEOPLE CUTTING ACROSS DURING LUNCH TIME AND ITEMS LIKE THAT.

AND SO WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WANTED ANYBODY ESPECIALLY INTERESTED IN HAVING TO IF THERE'S OTHER CARS TRYING TO CROSS TRAFFIC AND GET INTO THE DRIVE THRU.

AND THEN IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A STACKING ISSUE, THERE WOULD BE VERY LITTLE THAT WE COULD DO AFTER THE FACT TO BE ABLE TO HELP CONTROL THAT VERSUS WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW IF THAT WAS AN ISSUE, WE COULD COME OUT THERE AND FORCE TRAFFIC GOING THE OTHER WAY OR CONE SOMETHING OFF TO WHERE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE VIABILITY TO PUSH IT SOUTH, SO TO SPEAK, OR PUSH THAT TRAFFIC SOUTH, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE VERSUS IF IT GOES ON THAT DRIVEWAY OUT THERE, THAT'S A MAIN DRIVE IN A FIRE LANE.

AND WE JUST DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT WAS A POSITIVE SOLUTION TO BE BLOCKING THE FIRE LANE.

OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW.

OK. I THINK THAT WE'RE GOOD.

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE NEED YOU.

ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING NOW, FOR ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM AND SEEING NO ONE I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I THINK WE KIND OF KICKED A FEW THINGS AROUND THERE, INCLUDING THAT ALTERATION ON THAT

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AND IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE IF THAT IS THE CASE.

AND I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE WANTING ADEQUATE SCREENING AS SUCH.

YES. YES. MAYBE NOTED IN THE MOTION, I GUESS.

I MEAN, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I'M NOT.

BUT I GUESS I AM INTRIGUED BY THE IDEA OF MAKING THAT ONE ACCESS POINT KIND OF EXIT ONLY, I GUESS MAYBE NOT ONLY WHERE YOU CAN EXIT AND JUST TAKE A RIGHT.

BUT ALSO MAYBE EXIT AND GO STRAIGHT.

BUT MAKING IT EXIT ONLY I DON'T KNOW HOW EXACTLY YOU DO THAT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE DON'T CHEAT, BUT I'M SURE MAYBE THERE IS SOME WAY TO DO IT, HOPEFULLY WHERE PEOPLE DON'T CHEAT.

BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE AS AN IDEA FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.

BUT WHAT DO OTHER PEOPLE THINK HERE.

YOU KNOW, SIMILAR CONCERNS.

LISTEN, I APPRECIATE THAT THEY WANT TO UPGRADE THIS CORNER, RIGHT.

IT'S A GREAT CORNER IN SOUTHLAKE.

AND I APPRECIATE THEIR CREATIVITY WITH TRYING TO ELONGATE THAT DRIVE WITHOUT TURNING THE BUILDING COMPLETELY TO THE SIDE.

SO I THINK THEY'RE BEING CREATIVE AND TRYING THEIR BEST.

IT'S JUST IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO GET A DRIVE THROUGH HERE, IN MY VIEW, UNLESS THEY'RE MORE CREATIVE THAN ME. SO OTHERS.

WELL, I'LL GO.

I GUESS SO.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE VARIANCES THEY'RE ASKING WITH THE FLAT ROOF. I THINK THEY WERE ASKING FOR SLIGHTLY LESS PARKING THAN WAS REQUIRED.

BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND I THINK ABOUT THE STACKING DEPTH.

IN FACT, ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY OFFICE IN FORT WORTH, THEY JUST OPENED ON A SMALL PAD SITE A SALAD TO GO AND IT'S ALREADY STACKING OUT ONTO A HULEN.

AND I WAS JUST TELLING MY HUSBAND, WHY WOULD FORT WORTH HAVE APPROVED THAT TYPE OF A USE? YOU KNOW, SO IT REALLY DOES DEPENDENT UPON WHOEVER GOES INTO THIS BUILDING.

I MEAN, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THEIR BUSINESS MODEL IS ALL DRIVE THROUGH ON THAT SALAD PLACE, BUT IT'S ALREADY CAUSING A HUGE ISSUE OUT ONTO HULEN.

AND SO I WOULD HAVE A CONCERN AND I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE WHAT CHAIRMAN KUBIAK WAS DISCUSSING TO PREVENT THAT.

OTHERS. MR. VICE CHAIR, YOU JUMP IN.

YEAH, I MEAN, I'LL ECHO EVERYTHING.

AND I GUESS A QUESTION THAT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED, IS THE GRADE SUCH THAT IT'S LOW ENOUGH IN THE CORNER WHERE THE DRIVE THRU COULD BE WRAPPED AROUND THE FRONT, LIKE, IN OTHER WORDS, KIND OF FLIP IT TO THE OTHER SIDE? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT CHANGES THE WAY THE BUILDING LOOKS AND ALL THAT, BUT IN OTHER WORDS, TUCK IT AROUND THE CORNER.

I KNOW THAT'S A DEEP DROP THERE, BUT I WONDER IF IT'S DEEP ENOUGH WHERE YOU COULD DROP THE DRIVE THROUGH UP BY THE STREET AND WRAP IT AROUND ON THE FRONT SIDE WITHOUT IT LOOKING JUST AWFUL.

AND I DON'T KNOW.

IT JUST SEEMS TO ME AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE A DRIVE THROUGH IS GOING TO WORK HERE. AND I COULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHALLENGE AT COUNCIL.

I MEAN, YOU'RE HAVING ONE HERE AND I'M ALL WITH YOU.

I'D LIKE TO REDEVELOP IT BECAUSE IT WOULD LOOK A LOT NICER.

BUT JUST THROWING SOMETHING OUT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT WORKABLE.

BUT SO WE DID LOOK AT THAT.

WE ACTUALLY HAD A SITE PLAN THAT PUT IT UP AT THE BUILDING.

AND THE PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE FINDING IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EVERYBODY ELSE FACING NORTH AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BUTT END OF YOUR BUILDING FACING SOUTH, EVEN IF YOU DRESS IT UP, EVEN IF YOU DO ANYTHING, THERE IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT GRADE THERE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AT THE MOST OVER AT RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION IS WHERE IT'S THE BIGGEST AND IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT SIX FEET AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

BUT BY THE TIME YOU HIT MID GRADE RIGHT THERE, YOU'RE THREE, FOUR FEET.

AND SO, I MEAN, ANYBODY THAT DRIVES BY I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE WANT THIS TO BE NICE WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THAT WHERE YOU JUST GO AND YOU SEE CARS STACKED UP FACING 1709. AND SO FROM THAT MARKETABILITY AND FROM THAT DECISION RIGHT THERE, WE DECIDED THAT THAT WASN'T THERE AND TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

SO DEFINITELY LET US COME UP WITH I'LL DEFINITELY COME UP WITH ANOTHER OPTION THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY TRY TO CHANNELIZE THAT TRAFFIC ON THE EASTERN SIDE THERE ALONG THE WHITE CHAPEL AND TALK WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND TRY TO FIND SOME MORE CREATIVITY, AS WAS MENTIONED RIGHT THERE, TO TRY TO HELP PREVENT THAT ACCESS.

AND MAYBE IF WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO MAYBE ANGLE THOSE PARKS ON THAT EASTERN SIDE AND

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WE'LL TRY TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT YOU KNOW, AN ALTERNATIVE THERE.

AGAIN, WE WANT TO REDEVELOP THE SITE AS A DEVELOPMENT TEAM, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO DEVELOP A SUCCESSFUL ONE. SO I MEAN, WE HEAR YOUR CONCERNS AND WE WANT TO TRY TO DO THAT.

AND WE WANT IT TO BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THIS ISN'T A BUILD AND FLIP TYPE DEAL OR BUILD AND SELL.

THEY'VE OWNED AND OPERATED AND MANAGED THIS FACILITY AND PLAN TO DO SO IN THE FUTURE.

YEAH. NO I THINK THAT I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR ME.

I THINK THAT WOULD HELP BECAUSE I GUESS PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT THE TRADE OFFS HERE IN DIFFERENT MANNERS OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TRADING ONE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES FOR ANOTHER.

AND IT'S WHICHEVER ONE YOU FAVOR.

AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK I COULD PROBABLY GET COMFORTABLE IF THERE WAS A WAY TO TO FURTHER MITIGATE THAT NONE OF THAT TRAFFIC COULD SPILL OUT, EVEN IF IT'S DEEPER THAN 11 CARS. ABSOLUTELY.

LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH I MEAN, AND JUST LIKE I KNOW I'VE BEEN UP HERE, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, IT'S THE DEVELOPER.

IT'S TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT'S GOING TO BEST FIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PROPERTY.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT COMING UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION TO TRY TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.

ABSOLUTELY. OK, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A POTENTIAL MOTION HERE? THANK WE'RE GOOD MR. CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA, ZA 21-0059 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 18TH 2021 AND FURTHER SUBJECT TO THE REVISED CONCEPT SITE PLAN REVIEW, SUMMARY NUMBER TWO, DATED AUGUST 18TH, 2021, NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO EVALUATE AND PROVIDE FOR ADEQUATE SCREENING ON THE ROOF, ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO EVALUATE AND ADDRESS ADDITIONAL MATERIALS OR DESIGN FEATURES ON THE NORTH AND THE WEST, AND ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO EVALUATE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR ENTRY AND EXIT POINTS, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH AND ON THE EAST SIDE.

BUT GENERALLY, OVERALL, EVALUATING THE ENTIRE DRIVE THRU CONCEPT AS WELL.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, THERE'S OH TWO VARIANCES.

CAN'T GET ANYTHING PAST REGULATIONS. SO THEY'RE IN THERE, RIGHT? YES. OH, WOW.

DO YOU WANT ME TO ADD THEM IN.

NO I THINK YOU COVERED THIS.

OK, YES.

I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD MOTION HERE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND.

OK, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE PLEASE.

PASSES SIX ZERO.

I THINK YOU KNOW THE DRILL HERE.

SO YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL MEETINGS ARE ALL RECORDED.

HOPEFULLY YOU GET THE FLAVOR OF THE FEEDBACK.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK BEING ABLE TO SHOW COUNCIL AN OPTION OFF OF THAT MAYBE HELPS ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS COULD HELP MAKE YOUR INITIAL DISCUSSION WITH THEM MORE PRODUCTIVE. SO GOOD LUCK.

OK, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND KICK OFF ITEM NUMBER ELEVEN ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS A

[11. Consider: Resolution No. 21-034, (ZA21-0060) Specific Use Permit for a Kennel for Global Pet Alliance]

THIS IS ONE THAT WE REVIEWED AT OUR DENNIS ARE WE GOOD? WE GOOD ON THE OTHER ONE WE'RE GOOD.

I THINK SO MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY, OK.

THIS IS ONE WE REVIEWED IN OUR WORK SESSION PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

SO WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED A DETAILED STAFF REPORT HERE.

I THINK REALLY, IF WE JUST SWITCH TO MAYBE ONE OF THE MOST PERTINENT SLIDES HERE, DENNIS, AND JUST LET YOU BRIEFLY KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON NOW, DEMONSTRATE LOCATION. IT'S AT 2845 EXCHANGE BOULEVARD.

AND IT IS A PROPOSAL OF A KENNEL TO HANDLE TRAVEL ARRANGEMENTS FOR DOGS AND CATS BETWEEN THE OWNER AND AIRPORT.

AND IT WOULD PROVIDE OCCASIONAL OVERNIGHT STAYS IF THERE'S DELAYS OR RESCHEDULING OF FLIGHTS, BUT PRIMARILY HANDLES THE TRAVEL RELATED MATTERS FOR GETTING DOGS AND CATS TO AND FROM THE AIRPORT.

THE PROPOSED LAYOUT OF THE SITE, THE GREEN AREA IS A RUN AREA THAT WOULD BE DESIGNATED AREAS FOR INDIVIDUAL OR GROUPS OF PETS.

THE PURPLE AREA IS AN AREA FOR SPECIFICALLY HOUSING CATS, AND THEN THE BLUE AREA

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OKAY ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, KIND OF THE USUAL QUESTIONS ABOUT MAYBE EITHER NOISE OR ODOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I WAS WONDERING, DENNIS, FOR SURE.

I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE LIMITED TO CATS AND DOGS ONLY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT EXOTIC ANIMALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN.

CORRECT. THEY SAID DOMESTICATED ANIMALS ONLY.

OK, WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF AN EXOTIC ANIMAL? WELL, LIKE A SPOTTED LEOPARD OR, YOU KNOW, A PYTHON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW. MAYBE WE CAN SAVE THAT ONE FOR THE APPLICANT.

YEAH. OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FOR NOW AT LEAST.

OK, THANK YOU, DENNIS.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP HERE.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND I THINK YOU HEARD YOUR FIRST QUESTION, BUT YOU CAN START OFF HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE.

DEBRA PERRYMAN WITH SILVER OAK COMMERCIAL 2805 MARKET LOOP IN SOUTHLAKE, I REPRESENT THE PROPERTY OWNER SOUTHLAKE EXCHANGE AND THE APPLICANT GLOBAL PET ALLIANCE.

OK, JAMES PETTENGILL, 1106 CROSSMAN DRIVE FROM MURPHY, TEXAS, REPRESENTING GLOBAL PET ALLIANCE. OK, YOU MAYBE WANT TO ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION FROM DR.

SPRINGER OVER HERE THE TYPES OF ANIMALS YOU ANTICIPATE YOU'LL.

DOGS AND CATS, NO LEOPARDS UNFORTUNATELY.

OK, DULY NOTED FOR THE RECORD.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANIMAL CONTROL WAS STAFFED UP WITH WHAT THEY NEEDED TO IN CASE WE HAD AN ESCAPE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT HERE.

YEAH. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE A REALLY LONG ANSWER, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET CATS TO FLY ON AN AIRPLANE? FIRST OFF, YOU DON'T GIVE THEM A CHOICE.

THEY'RE IN KENNELS. SMALL KENNELS.

THE PURVEY OF THIS BODY KNOWS NO BOUNDS TONIGHT, ESPECIALLY LATER IN THE AGENDA WHEN WE GET PUNCHY. OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED NOISE AND ODOR AND SOME OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS.

YOU'VE GOT A CATERING COMPANY PRETTY MUCH NEXT DOOR TO YOU.

I WOULD GUESS THAT PART OF THE STRATEGY OF THE LAYOUT HERE IS THAT YOU'VE GOT A SPACE BUFFER BETWEEN THE WALLS OF I'M ASSUMING THAT THE RUN AREA IS AN ENCLOSED CEILING TO ROOF AREA THAT THEN HAS A SPACE BUFFER AS WELL AS ANY SOUND BUFFER OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE NOISE AND ODOR AND ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT MIGHT IMPACT THE GOLF ACADEMY ONE WAY AND THE CATERING FIRM THE OTHER WAY.

WELL, WE ACTUALLY THE CATERING HAS ACTUALLY VACATED COVID IMPACTED THEM IN A NEGATIVE WAY. SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN SUITE ONE HUNDRED.

THERE'S A SUITE 140 IN THE MIDDLE.

WE HAVE A NEW INTERIOR DESIGN FIRM THAT'LL BE COMING INTO THAT SPACE.

AND THEY ARE FULLY AWARE OF WHO IS WE'RE TALKING WITH WITH REGARD TO SUITE 180.

SO THIS IS A MULTITENANT BUILDING.

THERE IS A GAP AND THE DUMPSTER LOCATIONS ARE BETWEEN 2845 AND 2835, 2835 IS THE GOLF INSTRUCTION THEY'RE ALSO ONE OF OUR TENANTS? SO THE PROPERTY OWNER OF SOUTHLAKE EXCHANGE OWNS BOTH BUILDINGS ON EITHER SIDE OF 2845.

SO THEY ARE ALSO IN CONTROL OF THAT AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE ADDRESSED ALL OF THAT.

THIS IS AN EXISTING SPACE.

THERE ARE NO OUTDOOR MODIFICATIONS REQUIRED OR BEING REQUESTED.

AND SO THIS IS REALLY A TRANSPORTATION, A TRAVEL, TRANSPORTATION AND LOGISTICS COMPANY, THE KENNEL PART OF IT IS SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE ARE LIVE ANIMALS THAT COULD BE THERE FOR PERIODS OF TIME. AND IF A FLIGHT IS CANCELED, THEN IT WOULD BE OVERNIGHT.

OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE REALLY JUST SIMPLY A LOGISTICS AND CARGO TRANSPORT.

AND THEY'RE PROVIDING A NICE SERVICE SO THAT THOSE PET OWNERS HAVE A EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, A CALM, EASY TRANSITION LOCATION TO DROP OFF THEIR PET BECAUSE YOU'RE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO BRING THEM TO BAGGAGE CLAIM.

YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE CARGO AREA.

SO THIS IS A WAY THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO SPEND TIME, HAVE YOUR EASY TRANSITION, AND THEN THEY TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING FROM THERE.

AND IT ALSO ELIMINATES THE LONG, LONG TIMES AND WAITS AT THE AIRPORT AS WELL.

SO CURRENTLY YOU HAVE TO DROP OFF A PET THREE TO FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE FLIGHT TAKES OFF.

AND THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THE AIRLINES IS WE'RE GOING TO DROP OFF ABOUT AN HOUR BEFORE WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL THE ELECTRONICAL PAPERWORK BEFORE WE ARRIVE AND THEY JUST GO RIGHT ON THE PLANE. SO IT'S A LOT LESS STRESSFUL FOR THE ANIMAL AND A LOT LESS STRESS FOR

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AND THEY ARE AN INTERNATIONAL FIRM, AND SO THEY HAVE EXISTING RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE AIRLINES AND SO IT IS A NICE SERVICE AND LIKE I SAID, IT REALLY IS A TRANSPORTATION AND TRAVEL BUSINESS AND NOT A KENNEL.

YEAH, I GUESS THAT IS SO SOMETIMES WE GET THESE APPLICATIONS OR MAYBE THEIR INDIVIDUAL OWNERS OR FRANCHISEES OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT THERE'S HOPEFULLY A GROUP HERE THAT'S DONE THIS A LOT AND HAS EXPERIENCE.

AND RIGHT. AND IT'S NOT WHERE SOMEONE'S NOT DROPPING OFF AND GOING SHOPPING FOR THE DAY AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING A DOGGY DAY SPA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THIS IS SIMPLY FOR TRAVEL.

OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? OK. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE NEED TO.

ITEM NUMBER 11 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS APPLICATION OR EXOTIC ANIMALS OR HOW CATS FLY OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UP HERE.

SEEING NO ONE.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ONE BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS MAY BE ONE YOU TIE AND MAYBE VICE CHAIR YOU WERE GOING TO DO THIS ANYWAY TIE IN TERMS OF THE LEASE.

SO IT'S SPECIFIC FOR THIS OPERATION AND TENANT.

DULY NOTED KEN. THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT.

ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 11 ON OUR AGENDA, ZA 21-0060, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 13TH 2021 AND ALSO SUBJECT TO THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT STAFF REVIEW NUMBER TWO DATED AUGUST 13TH, 2021 AND SPECIFICALLY TYING THIS APPROVAL TO THE TERM OF THE LEASE FOR THIS TENANT AND ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION TO COUNCIL ON SOUND AND ODOR MITIGATION.

OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. OKAY VOTE PLEASE.

PASSES 6 0 CONGRATULATIONS GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS ITEM NUMBER 12, WHICH IS A SITE PLAN FOR I'M

[12. Consider: ZA21-0061, Site Plan for Desiere Car Building]

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER IS GOING TO BE RECUSING HIMSELF FROM THIS ITEM.

SO WE'LL GIVE HIM A COUPLE OF SECONDS TO WALK OUT HERE WHILE HE IS I GUESS I'LL NOTE, WE ALSO HAD A STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS ONE IN OUR WORK SESSION EARLIER, SO WE WON'T HAVE A FULL PRESENTATION ON THIS ONE FROM STAFF.

I THINK THEY'LL JUST KIND OF SHOW US A SLIDE OR TWO.

AND THEN, DENNIS, I'LL LET YOU MAYBE MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ON THIS ONE AND WE CAN GO INTO ANY QUESTIONS? CERTAINLY, AS DISCUSSED DURING THE WORK SESSION, THIS SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WITH THE THREE BUILDING CONFIGURATION THAT ALLOWED FOR INDIVIDUAL LEASING OR CONDO PURCHASE OF HOBBY, CRAFT AND AUTO STORAGE.

THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR SINGLE BUILDING SINGLE TENANT THAT WOULD WOULD KEEP AND SHOW THEIR CAR COLLECTION ALONG WITH INTERIOR OFFICE SPACE.

DUE TO TOPOGRAPHIC ISSUES, THE DRIVEWAYS HAVE BEEN CONFIGURED AS THEY ARE, WHICH DO NOT MEET THE SPACING REQUIREMENTS FROM THE TWO INTERSECTIONS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE DRIVEWAYS FROM GREENBRIER DRIVE AND THE CORNER OF GREENWOOD DRIVE, WHERE IT MAKES A TURN TO THE SOUTH.

OUR CITY'S THIRD PARTY ENGINEER LOOKED AT IT AND THEIR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION WAS, IF POSSIBLE, TO ALIGN THE NORTH DRIVEWAY WITH THE CENTERLINE OF THE EAST WEST PORTION OF THE INTERSECTING GREENWOOD DRIVE AND IF POSSIBLE, TO REALIGN THIS SOUTHERN DRIVEWAY TO THE DEAD END OR TERMINUS OF GREENBRIER, BUT DUE TO A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT TOPOGRAPHIC CHANGE ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS NOT PRACTICAL.

GIVEN THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC THAT THIS INDUSTRIAL PARK TYPICALLY HAS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, ALTHOUGH VARIANCES ARE BEING REQUESTED, DID NOT FEEL THAT THESE DRIVEWAYS WOULD CAUSE ANY SIGNIFICANT SAFETY CONCERN TO TRAFFIC.

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THE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY DISTRICT REQUIRES THAT ANY BUILDING OVER 20 FEET IN HEIGHT OR GREATER THAN ONE STORY MEET A FOUR TO ONE SLOPE SET BACK FROM THE GRADE LINE OF THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

THE BUILDING HEIGHT PROPOSED ON THIS, ALTHOUGH SINGLE STORY IS 23 FEET IN HEIGHT, AND WITH THE SLOPE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL GRADE AND THE FINISHED FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING, THE BUILDING WOULD ENCROACH APPROXIMATELY I THINK 29 FEET ABOVE THE SLOPE LINE FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING.

IT IS SET BACK, HOWEVER, AT THE VERY MINIMUM THAT THE OVERLAY ALLOWS FOR, WHICH IS THE 40 FOOT SET BACK.

AND ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING, IT IS IT DOES MEET MASONRY REQUIREMENTS AND ALTHOUGH EXEMPTED BY THE HOUSE BILL APPROVED IN THE 86 LEGISLATURE, AND IT ALTHOUGH IT DOES ARTICULATE SOME OF THE ARTICULATED ELEMENTS, DO NOT MEET THE MINIMUM OFFSET REQUIREMENT OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT ONCE AGAIN ARE EXEMPTED UNDER THE STATE LEGISLATION PASSED TWO LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS AGO.

OK, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE HAD A MORE DETAILED PRESENTATION IN OUR WORK SESSION.

YES, I THINK WE'RE THINK WE'RE GOOD, DENNIS.

THANK YOU. I GUESS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL UP THE APPLICANT NOW WHO LOOKS A LITTLE FAMILIAR BUT WILL STILL ASK HIM TO STATE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AS WELL.

AND THE SAME CRITERIA WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IN TERMS OF BREVITY AND PRESENTATION.

YES. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, CURTIS YOUNG SAGE GROUP, 1130 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, SINCE TRAFFIC WAS KIND OF BROUGHT UP, I THINK IT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT TO NOTE WHERE THIS IS.

YOU KNOW, IT IS LITERALLY AT THE END OF THE ROAD IN THE NORTH DAVIS BUSINESS PARK.

THE ROAD HAS BEEN STUBBED TO THE WEST, BUT OBVIOUSLY OR THE EAST.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, SINCE THAT'S NOW ALL DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL, THAT ROAD WILL NEVER GO ON.

SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC BACK HERE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR A SITE PLAN WITHIN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING APPROVAL.

THIS IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS LIKE, YOU MIGHT SAY, IN THE NORTH DAVIS BUSINESS PARK. IT'S 35 YEARS OLD OR SO.

NO VARIANCES THERE, RIGHT, CURTIS? RIGHT.

NO. I FEEL SURE THIS WILL BE THE THE BEST LOOKING BUILDING IN NORTH DAVIS BUSINESS PARK.

JUST MY OPINION.

BUT A LITTLE OUTSIDE STORY TO THE NORTH OF US.

ANYWAY. HERE'S THE PROPERTY.

OBVIOUSLY BEING AT THE END OF THE ROAD WE'RE ALSO NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.

WE'VE ALWAYS RECOGNIZED THAT.

AND THE LOTS THAT ARE THERE, THE THREE MIDDLE OF THOSE LOTS ARE ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.

BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S A VERY, VERY TALL TREE BUFFER BETWEEN THOSE TWO.

AND IF YOU STAND OUT IN GREENWOOD AND TAKE PICTURES TOWARD THE REAR OF THE SITE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE TREES.

IT'S VERY, VERY TALL.

AND YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THIS SITE OR YOU REALLY WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THIS BUILDING FROM THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS QUITE A BIT LOWER, IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TOPOGRAPHY GOING HERE.

THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2015 THAT WE DID.

AND THE EASTERN BUFFER YARD AT THAT POINT WAS ONLY TEN FEET WIDE.

WE HAD SOME PARALLEL PARKING SPACES THERE, BUT WE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.

IT WAS A TEN FOOT BUFFER YARD REQUIREMENT THERE FOR CANOPY TREES AND ACCENT TREES AND THE NUMBER OF SHRUBS. BUT WHAT WE PROMISED TO DO THEN AND WE'LL PROMISE TO DO NOW IS FOR ALL

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SO EVERYTHING IN THERE WILL ALWAYS BE GREEN THAT WE HAD.

THE SAME THING WITH LIGHTING IT'S NOW A SINGLE BUILDING FOR ONE OWNER INSTEAD OF THE THREE BUILDINGS FOR TWENTY SOME POSSIBLE OWNERS.

SO THERE WILL BE A LOT LESS TRAFFIC GENERATED HERE.

IT'S A PRIVATE STORAGE AND CAR SHOWROOM FOR A PRIVATE COLLECTOR.

THIS IS NOT A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COME TO LOOK AT CARS AND BUY THEM AND THAT KIND OF A THING. THERE MAY BE SALES MADE ELSEWHERE THAT PEOPLE COME AND PICK THEM UP, BUT IT'S A PRETTY RARE CIRCUMSTANCE.

THIS IS NOT BY ANY STRETCH KIND OF A RETAIL CAR SHOW.

NO PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE FACILITIES, THE LIGHTING WILL COMPLY WITH ALL YOUR STANDARDS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WALL BULB WATTAGES AND ALL THAT STUFF.

SO ANYWAY, HERE'S THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

HERE'S THE EXTERIOR RENDERINGS.

DENNIS SHOWED YOU THIS ONE FROM THE NORTHWEST CORNER.

IT'LL LOOK LIKE THAT WHERE THAT OTHER DRIVE IS AND FROM THE REAR.

THIS IS WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THE PROPOSAL.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

OK, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO WITH THIS VARIANCE FOR THE HIGHER CLEAR HEIGHT OR HIGHER BUILDING HEIGHT, IS DOES IT STILL STAY UNDERNEATH THE TREE TOPS, I GUESS? YES. OK.

AND YOU CAN'T SEE THAT BACK YARD.

YEAH. WHAT HAVE YOU.

THE BUILDINGS SLIGHTLY TALLER THAN THE PREVIOUS ONES ONLY BECAUSE HE WANTS A WHOLE CLEAR STORY, YOU KNOW, NO COLUMNS ON THE INTERIOR.

AND SO THE STRUCTURE IS, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF FEET THICK AROUND THAT.

OKAY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

ON THE TRANSPORTING VEHICLES BACK AND FORTH, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THE CAR CARRIERS ARE GOING TO PULL UP THERE AND PARK ON THE GREENWOOD DRIVE AND LOAD AND UNLOAD, OR IS IT GOING TO BE SORT OF A DESIGNATED LOADING AREA? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT WON'T BE A BIG SEMI WITH A BUNCH OF CARS ON IT.

IT'LL BE A CAR CARRIER WITH IT PULLED BY A TRUCK OR WHATEVER, AND IT'LL GO IN THE BACK THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE AND UNLOAD IN THERE.

SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ACCESS TO DO THAT.

WELL IN THE PAST, THOUGH, HASN'T HE, LIKE, SOLD OFF LIKE A NUMBER OF CARS AT ONE TIME.

HE HAS AND BOUGHT REPLACEMENTS OR WHATEVER.

LIKE I'M TOLD, LAST WEEK HE WAS OUT IN MONTEREY AT THE CAR SHOW THERE AND SOLD FIVE FERRARIS THAT WERE BEING DISPLAYED THERE AND, YOU KNOW, SHIPPED THOSE OFF.

BUT, YOU KNOW, HE'S A COLLECTOR THAT.

BUT YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE THERE'S GOING TO BE SEMIS PARKED OUT THERE BLOCKING TRAFFIC.

NO NOT AT ALL. THAT'S NOT.

AT LEAST FOR NOT LONG PERIODS OF TIME ANYWAY.

RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

OKAY I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE NEED YOU.

ITEM NUMBER 12 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM AND SEEING NO ONE I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DELIBERATIONS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

OK, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 12 ON OUR AGENDA, ZA 21-0061 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 16TH 2021 REVISED ALSO SUBJECT TO OUR PLAN REVIEW, SUMMARY NUMBER TWO, DATED AUGUST 13TH, 2021, AND SPECIFICALLY NOTING APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE AS REQUESTED.

WE GOT A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. VOTE PLEASE.

AND MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

THAT'S RIGHT. WE HAVE ONE RECUSAL THERE.

SO PASSES FIVE ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GAVEL OUT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.