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ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL

[1. Call to order]

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MEETING FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 7TH.

WE'RE GLAD TO SEE ALL OF YOU GUYS.

HOPE EVERYONE HAD A WONDERFUL LABOR DAY WEEKEND AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

AND I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE PASTOR BOB STITH, WHO'S GOING TO COME UP AND GIVE OUR INVOCATION.

AND THEN WE'LL SAY THE PLEDGES.

SO IF YOU GUYS COULD PLEASE RISE? FATHER WE PAUSE TO GIVE YOU THANKS FOR ALL THE MANY BLESSINGS YOU'VE POURED OUT ON OUR NATION AND ON THIS CITY, WE THANK YOU FOR THE FREEDOMS WE HAVE OR THE FREEDOM TO SELECT OUR LEADERS, AND WE PRAY FOR THESE FAITHFUL CIVIC SERVANTS TONIGHT.

WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS ON THEM.

WE PRAY YOU GIVE THEM WISDOM AS THEY LEAD OUR CITY AND WE PRAY FOR OUR CITIZENS THAT WE WOULD BE FAITHFUL TO PRAY FOR OUR LEADERS, THAT WE WOULD BE AS WILLING TO GIVE ENCOURAGEMENT AS WE ARE TO GIVE ADVICE.

MAY IT BE THE DESIRE OF OUR HEARTS THAT THIS CITY WOULD BE A LIGHTHOUSE REFLECTING YOUR GLORY.

WE ASK IT IN THE NAME OF YOUR SON, AMEN.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, PASTOR BOB, THOSE ARE GREAT WORDS.

AND WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO WORK SESSION.

[3. Southlake Business Spotlight - Great Harvest Bread Co]

ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR SOUTHLAKE BUSINESS SPOTLIGHT AND INVITE OUR DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM, MR. DANIEL CORTEZ, TO COME ON UP.

AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VIDEO FEATURING A WONDERFUL LOCAL BAKERY AND COFFEE SHOP, AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY TOO MUCH, BUT IT'S GOT SOME REALLY PHENOMENAL ACTING AND TALENT IN THE VIDEO IS WHAT I HEAR.

WE DO, IT'S A VERY SPECIAL EDITION OF THE SOUTHLAKE BUSINESS SPOTLIGHT.

SO WITH THAT, I HOPE YOU ENJOY.

HEY, EVERYBODY, IT'S MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN, AND FOR THIS WEEK'S BUSINESS SPOTLIGHT, WE ARE HERE AT ONE OF MY FAVORITE SPOTS IN TOWN GREAT HARVEST BREAD COMPANY WITH THE OWNER MR. JOHN MCCABE, SIR.

THANKS FOR HAVING US.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

WELL, THIS REALLY IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SPOTS IN TOWN.

IT'S SUCH A GREAT PLACE TO GATHER, TO HAVE COFFEE, TO HAVE SANDWICHES.

YOU GUYS DO SUCH A GREAT JOB IN WHAT YOU DO, BUT TELL US A LITTLE MORE ABOUT HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN HERE AND WHAT YOU DO AS A BUSINESS AND HOW WE CAN SUPPORT YOU.

SURE.

WELL, GREAT HARVEST HAS BEEN IN SOUTHLAKE FOR ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

MY WIFE, BONNIE, MY DAUGHTER LAUREN AND I BOUGHT THE BUSINESS JUST AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC LAST YEAR.

GOOD TIMING.

OH YEAH, LEANING INTO STUPIDITY, WE ARE THREE DIFFERENT THINGS, PRIMARILY.

ONE, WE ARE A BAKERY WHERE OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IS FRESH, MADE FROM SCRATCH BREADS.

EVERY DAY WE CARRY A VARIETY OF BREADS, LARGELY SANDWICH BREADS AND WEEKLY SPECIALS THAT ARE MADE FRESH FROM SCRATCH ON OUR TABLES WHERE A CUSTOMER CAN COME IN AND WATCH IT BEING MADE EVERY MORNING TO PICK UP A FRESH LOAF THAT'S JUST COME OUT OF THE OVEN AND JUST DO THE SLICER.

YOU KNOW, WE LEVERAGE THAT BAKING CAPABILITY TO DO A LOT OF GREAT SWEETS AND OTHER BAKED GOODS LIKE COOKIES AND MUFFINS AND SCONES AND BISCUITS.

SPEAK MY LANGUAGE.

CINNAMON ROLLS, YOU NAME IT.

WE'VE GOT IT BISCOTTI THAT'S HIDING HERE BEHIND ME, ET CETERA.

SECOND, WE'RE ALSO A CAFƃĀ©, SO WE LEVERAGE OUR BREADS ALONG WITH HOMEMADE DRESSINGS AND GREAT INGREDIENTS TO MAKE WHAT WE THINK ARE PRETTY UNIQUE SANDWICHES AND SALADS AND OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TO COME IN AND HAVE A MEAL AND THEN PICK UP THEIR BREAD WHILE THEY'RE HERE.

AND THEN THIRDLY, WE'RE A CATERER WHERE WE LEVERAGE THAT SAME CAPABILITY TO SUPPORT LUNCHES, BREAKFASTS, DINNERS FOR AREA BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS AND EVEN PARTIES THAT AT THE FAMILY HOME.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

WELL, THAT'S SO GREAT.

IN ADDITION TO BEING A WONDERFUL BREAKFAST AND LUNCH SPOT, YOU ALSO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THAT A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TELL US ABOUT THAT.

YEAH.

SO ONE OF THE MISSIONS OF GREAT HARVEST IS TO ALWAYS GIVE GENEROUSLY.

THE MOST OBVIOUS THING IS WE'LL KEEP THE BREAD THAT WE ALWAYS WANT FRESH BAKED BREAD ON THE SHELVES.

SO WHEN THE BAKE COMES UP FOR THE DAY, ON THE BREAD FROM THE PREVIOUS DAY IS REMOVED.

AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO THROW IT AWAY, SO IT GOES OUT TO SHELTERS, FOOD PANTRIES AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE SUPPORTING PEOPLE IN NEED.

SO THAT'S ONE WAY.

WE ALSO HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE OUR CUSTOMERS CAN LEAN INTO IT AS WELL, WHERE THEY CAN DONATE A LOAF OF BREAD OR A BAG OF OATMEAL OR A BOX LUNCH OR SOMETHING

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LIKE THAT.

AND WE'LL MATCH THAT AND GET THAT OUT, AND THEN WE LOOK FOR OUR MOST OF OUR CUSTOMERS, OUR REGULAR CUSTOMERS KNOW THAT IF THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY IN NEED OR THEY'RE AWARE OF A NEED SOMEWHERE, THEY JUST NEED TO TELL US.

AND WE'LL JUMP ON THAT, WHETHER THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF SANDWICHES THAT WE DID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC LAST YEAR FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS OR EVEN FOR THE HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONDING TO PANDEMICS, WHETHER IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLY A FAMILY THAT IS IN NEED WILL ALWAYS JUMP ON THAT.

OF COURSE WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO ALWAYS SUPPORT THE SCHOOLS AND OTHER FUNDRAISERS FOR ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY.

THE COMMUNITY GIVES US A LOT, WE WANT TO GIVE BACK.

IT'S SO AWESOME AND WE SEE SO MANY GREAT BUSINESSES LIKE YOURS WANTING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND IT'S WHAT MAKES THE CITY WORK.

WE LOVE IT SO MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO.

WE LOVE YOUR SPOT.

IT'S GREAT FOR COFFEE.

IT'S GREAT FOR HEALTHY OPTIONS.

IS ALSO GREAT FOR SOME DECADENT OPTIONS, TOO, WHICH SOMETIMES I LOVE DOING MYSELF IN, BUT WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO.

I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION I HEAR WE'RE GOING TO GET TO BAKE SOME BREAD THAT'S STILL ON THE TABLE.

THAT'S RIGHT, I WOULD SAY THEY HAVE A BREAD, IN THIS CASE, BRIOCHE FOR YOU TO WORK WITH OUR MASTER BAKER EDWARD THIS MORNING.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO IT, MAN CAN'T WAIT.

THIS IS HARDER THAN IT LOOKS .

[INAUDIBLE] THAT WAS LITERALLY AMAZING.

SO I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THEY THREW THAT BREAD AWAY AFTER I DID THAT AND REALLY KIND OF HOPEFUL THAT THEY DID.

I'M NOT SURE I NECESSARILY, IF ANYBODY GOT SICK, THEN THAT WASN'T ME IN THE VIDEO.

SPECIAL EDITION BREAD MAYOR, SPECIAL EDITION BREAD? NO.

HONESTLY, WE LOVE GREAT HARVEST.

WE LOVE THEIR GREAT PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE LOVE EVERYTHING THEY DO.

SO GLAD THEY'RE HERE.

WELL DONE, SIR.

ALL RIGHTY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT, WITH THIS, LET'S MOVE ON TO A WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER FOUR,

[4. 2021 Art in the Square presentation]

WHICH IS OUR 2021 ART IN THE SQUARE PRESENTATION.

AND I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE MY COLLEAGUE ON THE RIGHT COUNCIL MEMBER KATHY TALLEY, AND SHE IS GOING TO TALK THROUGH ART IN THE SQUARE WITH SOME OF YOUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, RIGHT? I AM, YEAH, THANK YOU.

SO WE ARE IN A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION, AS I SAY, RATHER UNIQUE, BUT IT'S A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION THIS YEAR, UM HAVING TO CANCEL OUR 2020 FESTIVAL AND THEN POSTPONE OUR 2021 FESTIVAL.

WE'RE NORMALLY IN APRIL.

AND SO HERE WE FIND OURSELVES IN SEPTEMBER, BUT WE'RE VERY EXCITED AND WE JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING AT OUR FESTIVAL THIS YEAR.

AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I'VE GOT THREE OF MY WONDERFUL LADIES IN OUR COMMITTEE HERE TO TALK TO YOU TONIGHT.

SO WE HAVE SHERRY WITT, WHO IS THIS YEAR IN CHARGE OF PUBLICITY.

SHE'S BEEN IN CHARGE OF MANY THINGS OVER THE YEARS, TERRY MESSING, WHO'S IN CHARGE OF ALL THINGS RELATED TO ARTISTS, AND CARMEN EVANS, WHO IS OUR SPONSORSHIP CHAIR.

SO IF YOU LADIES WOULD COME ON UP AND THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU.

YEAH, COME ON UP.

WELCOME, WELCOME.

GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR INVITING US THIS EVENING TO SHARE ART IN THE SQUARE WITH YOU.

I APPRECIATE MAYOR HUFFMAN AND THE COUNCIL AND THE CHAMBER LISTENING TO WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY TONIGHT.

ART IN THE SQUARE STARTED IN THE YEAR 2000 AND I HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHAT WAS THERE FOR THE FIRST YEAR.

I HAPPENED TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE CLUB AT THE TIME.

SO I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES IN IT AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE STARTED WITH AND SOME OF THE FEW CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE OVER THE YEARS.

THE PLANNING COMMITTEE REALLY GAVE US A VERY GOOD BLUEPRINT FOR DOING ART IN THE SQUARE

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AND TO BUILD UPON.

OUR PROCEEDS GO TO NONPROFIT CHARITIES THAT SERVICE WOMEN, CHILDREN AND FAMILIES IN NORTHEAST TARRANT COUNTY.

SO FAR, WE HAVE 71 DIFFERENT CHARITIES THAT WE HAVE FUNDED.

AND LAST NIGHT I DID A LITTLE BIT OF MATH WORK, AND THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY TO FIVE HUNDRED DIFFERENT GRANTS WE'VE FUNDED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF ART IN THE SQUARE.

EACH YEAR, WE RECEIVE, OH FOR A TOTAL OF $3 MILLION.

EXCUSE ME, WE HAVE RAISED $3 MILLION.

EACH YEAR, WE RECEIVE AN AVERAGE OF SEVEN HUNDRED APPLICATIONS FROM DIFFERENT ARTISTS FROM EVERYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES, AND WE'VE EVEN HAD SOME EUROPEAN ONES.

NORMALLY, AS KATHY SAID ART IN THE SQUARE IS HELD IN APRIL, BUT BECAUSE OF COVID, WE HAD TO CHANGE IT, BUT WE WILL BE BACK WHERE WE BELONG IN 2020, 2022 EXCUSE ME, OK, I'M NERVOUS.

WE HAVE NO PAID ADVANCE STAFF MEMBERS, IT'S ALL VOLUNTEERS.

IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

AND WHETHER IT WILL BE IN THE FAR FUTURE, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT WE HAD 100 VOLUNTEERS THE FIRST YEAR.

2019, OUR 20TH ANNIVERSARY HAD 13 HUNDRED VOLUNTEERS.

THAT'S A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS.

PROCEEDS ARE MADE FROM SPONSORSHIP, ARTISTS ENTRY FEES, ARTISTS BOOTH FEES AND RENTALS, TICKET SALES FOR DRINKS, FOOD, KIDS ACTIVITIES AND T-SHIRTS.

MARKETING OF ART IN THE SQUARE HAS CHANGED GREATLY TO, THE FIRST ART IN THE SQUARE HAD A FEW PRINTED ADS IN THE NEWSPAPER, A FEW PSA'S, POSTERS AND EVERY RETAIL STORE THAT WAS OPEN BACK THEN.

AND OUR COMMITTEE SENT OUT POSTCARDS TO FRIENDS AND BUSINESSES TO GET PEOPLE TO COME OUT TO ART IN THE SQUARE.

NOW WE HAVE PRINT ADS, DIGITAL ADS, RADIO PSA'S, TV PSA'S, BILLBOARDS, WE'RE ON EVENT CALENDARS.

WE'RE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND WE BEGGED FOR ANYTHING WE CAN GET.

SO ENTERTAINMENT IS ALSO A PART OF ART IN THE SQUARE.

WE OFFER ALL GENRES OF ENTERTAINMENT AND OUR SATURDAY NIGHT HEADLINER THIS YEAR IS JORGE NAVARRO, AND HE IS ACTUALLY LOCAL TO TEXAS.

HE LIVES IN FORT WORTH.

SO WE'RE VERY PLEASED TO HAVE HIM.

THE KEY TO OUR SUCCESS IS THE SUPPORT OF OUR COMMUNITY, THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TOWN SQUARE, OUR SPONSORS, VOLUNTEERS AND SOUTHLAKE WOMEN'S CLUB MEMBERS.

CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE, BUT WHAT WAS NOT CHANGED IS THE SUPPORT AND DEDICATION AND ENTHUSIASM OF THOSE INVOLVED AND HOW THE COMMUNITY HAS SUPPORTED US? THE SEPTEMBER EVENT WILL BE ANOTHER ARTFUL EVENT FOR EVERYBODY TO ENJOY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE VERY FIRST ART AND SQUARE, WOW AND MY NEXT PICTURE IS 2019.

A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE.

THAT'S HOW FAR WE HAVE COME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, TERRY WILL NOW SHARE ART WITH YOU.

ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU.

HI, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR GIVING US A FEW MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT ART.

MY FAVORITE SUBJECT FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE WITH ME A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, I'M I'M BACK AGAIN.

THE FIRST PICTURE THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT ABOUT OUR FIRST SHOW JUST BROUGHT BACK SO MANY MEMORIES TO ME.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ABOUT WITH THAT VERY FIRST EVENT IS THAT WE WERE AT THE RIGHT PLACE, AT THE RIGHT TIME AND WE HAD THE RIGHT PEOPLE AT THE TABLE.

WE HAVE THE SOUTHLAKE WOMEN'S CLUB, THIS AMAZING GROUP OF PROFESSIONAL WOMEN THAT HAVE TIME TO GIVE OF THEMSELVES.

WE HAVE THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE SUPER SUPPORTING US AND TOWN SQUARE AND NOW RPII BACKING US UP.

THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS EVENT ARE WHAT MAKES IT WORK.

AND THAT VERY FIRST YEAR WE HAD A BUDDING COMMUNITY WITH BIG HOUSES AND ART JUST FLEW OUT AND WE SAT THERE AND WE WATCHED PAINTING AFTER AND WE WERE AMAZED BECAUSE WE JUST HAD NO IDEA THAT THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT WAS IT WAS A QUITE A FASCINATING EVENT.

ART IN THE SQUARE AT ON THE ARTIST SIDE OF IT PROVIDES THE VIEWERS WITH A CHANCE TO LOOK AT ART, TO INTERACT WITH ART, TO MEET THE ARTISTS IN A UNIQUE BUYING EXPERIENCE.

SO YOU GET TO MEET THE ARTISTS, YOU GET TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY WERE THINKING WHEN THEY DID THE PIECES.

AND WE HAVE ESTABLISHED FRIENDSHIPS OVER THE YEARS AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF US HAVE BOUGHT ART AND WE CONSIDER THE PEOPLE THAT CREATED THE ART FOR US

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FRIENDS BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW THEM.

SO WE ARE LOOKING VERY MUCH FORWARD TO SEPTEMBER AND GETTING TO SEE OUR FRIENDS AGAIN.

WE HAVE 150 SPOTS.

AS SHERRI MENTIONED, WE GET SEVEN TO EIGHT HUNDRED APPLICATIONS A YEAR.

SO WHEN WHEN I SEND OUT REJECTION LETTERS, I HIT ONE BUTTON AND 500 LETTERS REJECTED, PEOPLE GO OUT.

IT'S A VERY HUMBLING MOMENT IN MY LEAST FAVORITE MOMENT OF THE YEAR.

WE WE LIKE TO KEEP IT AT ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE A SMALL SHOW.

WE WANT TO BE A SHOW THAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY CAN SAY, HEY, I LIKE THAT.

I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND GET THAT.

I WANT TO GO EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND SO WE DON'T WANT IT TO BIG AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T GET PARKING AND WE WE WANT IT TO BE A COMMUNITY EVENT.

WE HAVE AN EVENT CALLED STROKES OF ART IN THE SQUARE THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, I THINK FOR MAYBE SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AND IT'S IN A GALLERY EXHIBIT THAT HAPPENS IN FEBRUARY.

WE HAVE ARTISTS THAT SEND PAINTING TO US, THEY SHIP THEM TO US AND IT HANGS.

THEN IT'S BEEN A GOOD EVENT FOR US.

WE PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, THE SOUTHLAKE ARTS COUNCIL AND APEX ARTS, THE GUN MAKING NETWORK.

AGAIN, ART AND SQUARE HAS BECOME EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE, WE DO HAVE A PROGRAM FOR EMERGING ARTISTS SO THAT LOCAL ARTISTS CAN GET IN TO THE PROGRAM.

I'M GOING TO SWITCH THESE OH, THE DOWN ARROW.

OK, I MIGHT HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG.

YEAH, YOU MIGHT HAVE.

SO I WANTED TO SHOW SOME ART SINCE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS GREGORY ARTH, HE WAS OUR PEOPLE'S CHOICE WINNER.

SO WE DO A CONTEST FOR THE ART THAT'S HANGING IN TOWN HALL.

AND HE WAS THE EVERYONE GOT TO VOTE AND HE WAS SELECTED.

THIS IS PAMELA, SHE IS A COLLEYVILLE RESIDENT, SHE'S BEEN WITH US FOR A LONG TIME, NIKKI GILLEY, JENNIFER [INAUDIBLE], THESE ARE REALLY COOL, THEY'RE KIND OF THREE DIMENSIONAL.

AND THIS IS OUR T-SHIRT ARTIST.

I THINK I MENTIONED THIS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND WE WERE HERE, WE ARE RANKED NUMBER ONE BY THE SOURCEBOOK.

WE WERE RANKED NUMBER ONE IN 2019 AND 2020 SINCE NOBODY DID ANYTHING IN 2020.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS YEAR.

THINGS ARE STILL, AS WE ALL KNOW, NOT NORMAL.

AND SO MAYBE IT WILL BE GET TO BE NUMBER ONE AGAIN.

WE USE AN APPLICATION PROCESS CALLED ZAPPLICATION.

IT'S A REALLY SWEET PROGRAM THAT THAT DOES ALL OUR MANAGEMENT FOR US.

IT HAS OUR DATABASE AND IT COLLECTS ALL INFORMATION FOR US, AND IT'S HAS HELPED US TO ELEVATE AND BE PROFESSIONAL.

I WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING IN CLOSING, I INTERACT WITH SHOWS AROUND THE COUNTRY AS MY ROLE OF THE ARTIST CHAIRMAN TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN OTHER ART SHOWS.

AND I'VE BEEN TO NATIONAL MEETINGS AND WORK ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, AND WE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE, BUT MAYBE THERE IS ONE OTHER SHOW THAT I KNOW OF THAT IS RUN BY VOLUNTEERS.

ALL THE SHOWS THAT ARE OF OUR CALIBER THAT ARE NATIONALLY RANKED ARE RUN BY PROFESSIONALS OR EITHER RUN BY MUSEUMS OR CITIES OR NONPROFITS THAT PAY THEIR STAFF.

THEY'RE ALL PAID STAFF, AND SO WE ARE REALLY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT THAT WE DO THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SOUTHLAKE AND WE CAN AND AND THE VOLUNTEERISM OF THE COMMUNITY, IT MAKES IT WORK.

AND SO THAT I THINK THAT SETS ASIDE, I THINK IT MAKES US FEEL SPECIAL.

AND AND OF COURSE, THE MONEY THAT WE DONATE TO CHARITIES ALSO IS ANOTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THAT I THINK THAT MAKES IT WORK.

SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO CARMEN, AND SHE WILL TALK ABOUT SPONSORSHIP AND WHATEVER SHE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT.

IT SOUNDS GREAT.

THANKS, TERRY.

HI, MY NAME IS CARMEN EVANS, AND I HAVE BEEN THE SPONSOR CHAIR FOR MOST OF THE LAST 17 YEARS.

FOR ME, ART IN THE SQUARE CONTINUES TO MEAN COMMUNITY.

THE FUN, THE GIVING BACK, THE CULTURE, THE EXPERIENCE AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES.

TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO EXCEED $3 MILLION GIVEN TO OUR BENEFICIARIES SPEAKS TO THE MANY SPONSORS IT TAKES TO PUT ON OUR NUMBER ONE FINE ART SHOW.

TYPICALLY, WE HAVE OVER 100 SPONSORS, AND WHILE IT'S BEEN A ROUGH RIDE THIS YEAR, WE ARE THRILLED TO HAVE SO MANY THAT ARE SUPPORTING US IN 21 AND PLAN TO COME BACK STRONGER IN 22.

MANY OF OUR SPONSORS HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR YEARS AND WE APPRECIATE THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE HAVE FORMED.

I HAD TO SHOUT OUT TO SEWELL AUTOMOTIVE.

THEY REALLY CAME THROUGH.

I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE MY NEXT SLIDE.

THEY REALLY CAME THROUGH FOR US WITH A LARGE, UNEXPECTED GIFT WHEN WE HAD TO CANCEL OUR APRIL SHOWS AND THEY JUST SAID, DO DO WITH IT WHAT YOU NEED.

AND SO I THOUGHT, WELL, I'M GOING TO CALL MY OTHER SPONSORS.

SO AS I STARTED CALLING THEM AFTER THE CANCELED, THEY TOLD US, KEEP THE MONEY AND USE IT AS YOU NEED IT.

SO THANK GOODNESS FOR THEM.

WE WERE ABLE TO PAY THE BILLS THAT WE ALREADY HAD INCURRED, EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T HAVE A SHOW, BUT ALSO ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE $500 TO EACH OF OUR THIRTY TWO BENEFICIARIES

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THAT WE HAD FOR THAT YEAR.

WE WERE VERY GRATEFUL.

THIS YEAR, I'M PLEASED TO SAY THAT WE HAVE ADDED FOUR NEW SOUTHLAKE BUSINESSES.

EVO ENTERTAINMENT HAS STEPPED IN TO BE OUR ZONE SPONSOR, T-MOBILE, AMERIPRISE FINANCIAL AND BUFF CITY SOAPS.

AVONDALE GROUP, OBVIOUSLY, THAT SPLIT WITH PARK PLACE AND GRAPEVINE WILL BE OUT THERE AS WELL.

IN-KIND SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENTS HAVE BEEN A BLESSING AS WELL AND I HOPE YOU HAVE SEEN THE PRINT ADS AND NOW THAT THE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS ARE UP, I'VE ALREADY HEARING PEOPLE, OH MY GOD, I SAW YOU ON 360 OR I SAW YOU ON 114 OR WHATEVER, AND YOU WILL SOON HEAR OUR PSA ON NBC FIVE, THE WOLF AND WRR.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SUPPORT.

ABSOLUTELY, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

SO, KAREN, WILL YOU HIT THE DOWN ARROW? I'M JUST GOING TO WRAP UP AND FINISH THROUGH THE SLIDES.

WELL, I NEED SOMEBODY TO HIT THE DOWN ARROW.

OH, OKAY.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF OUR BENEFICIARIES THIS.

THIS IS WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO.

WE SUPPORT OUR ARTISTS THAT TRAVEL AROUND THE COUNTRY MAKING A LIVING, AND WE SUPPORT THE PEOPLE THAT GIVE BACK.

AND IT'S SO HUGE FOR US TO DO THIS AND TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

GO AHEAD AND HIT THE NEXT ONE.

IT DOES TAKE A HUGE COOPERATIVE EFFORT.

WE'RE SO GRATEFUL FOR OUR FIRE AND P.D.

THEY'RE THERE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE WEEKEND.

THEY KEEP US SAFE.

THEY TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY SOMETIMES WE HAVE FOLKS WHO GET A LITTLE TOO HOT OUT THERE.

I UNFORTUNATELY, SINCE IT'S IN SEPTEMBER, I THINK IT WILL BE A LITTLE TOASTY OUT THERE.

RPAI, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE.

COOPER AND COMPANY AND WOMEN'S CLUB.

THE COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN ALL THOSE GROUPS IS SO IMPORTANT AND IT'S BEEN SO IMPORTANT FOR OUR SUCCESS OVER ALL THE 20 YEARS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE GREAT ENTERTAINMENT THROUGHOUT THE WEEKEND.

THIS IS A PICTURE FROM INSIDE THE GAZEBO.

THE GAZEBO WE TYPICALLY HAVE, OR RUSTON PAVILION, WE TYPICALLY HAVE LOCAL ENTERTAINMENT.

WE'LL HAVE SCHOOL ENTERTAINMENT AND THOSE KINDS OF ACTS.

AND THEN ON THE MAIN STAGE, WE'LL HAVE A CLICK ONE MORE.

I THINK THAT'S A PICTURE OF THE MAYBES ON THE MAIN STAGE.

AS SHERRY SAID, WE'LL HAVE JORGE NAVARRO THIS YEAR FOR SATURDAY NIGHT'S HEADLINER.

AND I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE SLIDE MAYBE OR TWO MORE LOTS OF THINGS FOR KIDS.

WE'LL HAVE KIDS CORNER AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE ZONE, WHICH HAS THINGS FOR OLDER KIDS AND LOTS OF GREAT FOOD AND BEVERAGE.

IT'S JUST WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EXCITING.

AND THEN THERE'S CARMEN AND I.

IS THAT FROM NINETEEN? YES, YEAH, SO ANYWAY, YEAH, THERE'S AND THE OTHER BIG PIECE OF THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS, OUR TEEN VOLUNTEERS, OUR BENEFICIARY VOLUNTEERS.

WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT ALL OF YOU AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED.

SO OUR HUSBANDS, OUR FAMILIES, I'VE STUCK MY HUSBAND AND DAUGHTERS INTO CABOOSE AND SAID, YOU KNOW, GO TO WORK AND THEY HAPPILY DO IT.

OF COURSE SO.

AND OF COURSE, OUR WOMEN'S CLUB VOLUNTEERS.

SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU THREE LADIES FOR COMING.

AND DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM? ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? WELL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT YOU GUYS BEING BACK.

I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ONE MORE PIECE OF THE POST-COVID PUZZLE THAT'S GETTING PUT IN PLACE AND WE ALL MS. WE'VE MISSED ART IN THE SQUARE AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

SO I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

THIS IS GREAT.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR THE FOR THE PARTY AND THE KICKOFF.

IT'LL BE SUPER FUN.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY FOR THAT AND THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED IN MAKING THAT A GREAT SUCCESS.

SO LET'S MOVE ON TO WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

[5. Water Safety Presentation - Dr. Vishnu Rumalla]

THIS IS A VERY, VERY SPECIAL PRESENTATION WITH DR.

RAMALLAH AND THE RAMALLAH FAMILY.

SIR, IF I CAN GET YOU TO COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM.

SO MOST OF YOU ON COUNCIL KNOW THE STORY OF DR.

RAMALLAH AND HIS SON, NOT ALL OF YOU KNOW WHAT DR.

RAMALLAH AND THE RAMALLAH FAMILY HAVE BEEN WILLING TO DO AS FAR AS STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE AND MAKING AN IMPACT FOR THE CITY AND FOR EVERYBODY INSIDE THE CITY FROM FROM AN EDUCATION STANDPOINT.

SUPER EXCITED, SIR, FOR YOU TO TELL THIS STORY TO US AND ALSO TO ALL OF SOUTHLAKE AND THEN TO TELL WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DECIDED TO DO TO HELP FUTURE GENERATIONS OF SOUTHLAKE.

AND SO GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, ESTEEMED MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

I THANK YOU FOR OUR GUESTS HERE FROM A SOUTHLAKE AND BEYOND AUGUST 2010.

THE 7TH SPECIFICALLY IS A DAY THE RAMALLAH FAMILY WILL NEVER FORGET, AND MANY IN THIS ROOM WILL REMEMBER.

BUT BEFORE I GET TO MORE OF THE DETAILS OF THAT DAY, A LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT MYSELF, MY FAMILY, HOW WE ARE CONNECTED TO SOUTHLAKE.

I WAS BORN IN NEW YORK BUT MOVED HERE TO TEXAS BY THE TIME I WAS FOUR YEARS OLD.

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I CONSIDER MYSELF A NORTH TEXAN, WENT AWAY FROM NORTH TEXAS TO TO HAVE BOTH UNDERGRADUATE MEDICAL SCHOOL AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI.

ALONG THE WAY WAS IT RUTGERS UNIVERSITY, MARRIED MY JERSEY BRIDE, FINISHED MY TRAINING TO BECOME A PLASTIC SURGEON IN INDIANA AND RUSHED BACK HOME TO NORTH TEXAS.

IN FACT, MY PARENTS STILL LIVE IN ARLINGTON AND I'M A PROUD GRADUATE OF THE ARLINGTON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.

DURING THOSE TIMES, WE FIRST MOVED INTO KELLER.

MY WIFE AND I EACH HAD PRACTICES THERE.

WE BEGAN A LIFE IN THOSE AREAS AND HAD STARTED TO HEAR ABOUT THIS AMAZING TOWN JUST TO THE EAST, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

BY 2009, WE HAD MOVED TO ESTES PARK.

MY WIFE AND I HAD STARTED DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR PRACTICES HERE IN TOWN.

WE HAD TWO CHILDREN BY THAT TIME.

ROWAN WAS WAS BORN IN INDIANA AND RAINA WAS BORN HERE IN TEXAS.

THAT MAKES THIS MAKES HER THE FIRST TRUE TEXAN.

AND WE WERE EXCITED ABOUT COMING TO THE AMAZING RETAIL ENVIRONMENT, THE AWARD WINNING CARROLL ISD SCHOOLS, A THRIVING COMMUNITY OF NEIGHBORS TAKING CARE OF EACH OTHER AND JUST ALL AROUND GOOD PLACE TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN.

BY THE SUMMER OF 2010, WE WERE DOING A LOT OF THINGS MANY PEOPLE DO IN SOUTHLAKE, OUR CHILDREN WERE INVOLVED IN SPORTS AND ON AUGUST 7, 2010, WE WERE HAVING ONE OF THOSE TRADITIONS A THE END OF THE YEAR SOCCER KIDS PARTY.

WE WERE THE HOST, IT WAS OUR HOUSE.

WE INVITED EVERYONE ON THE TEAM AND AND STARTED WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GLORIOUS HOT SUMMER DAY.

LIKE MOST POOL PARTIES HERE IN NORTH TEXAS, THERE'S FOOD, THERE'S DRINK THERE, PEOPLE.

ROHAN MY OLDEST AND HE WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD AT THAT TIME, WAS ACTUALLY A VERY ACCOMPLISHED SWIMMER.

SMITA AND I, LIKE MOST HOSTS, WERE COMING IN OUT OF THE HOUSE AND MAKING SURE PEOPLE HAD BEVERAGES AND FOOD AND DOING HOSTING TYPE THINGS.

ROWAN WAS IN THE POOL WITH MULTIPLE ADULTS, WITH MANY OF RAINA'S FRIENDS AND SOME OF HIS OWN FRIENDS IN THE POOL.

WE SUDDENLY IN THAT EVENING HEAR A SCREAM OF HELP.

A YOUNG GIRL, LANDRY SHELTON, ONLY FIVE YEARS OF AGE, ASKS SOUTHLAKE RESIDENT MORGAN LAURENT, WHO IS A TEENAGER HERSELF AT THAT TIME.

WHY IS ROHAN DIVING FOR SO LONG AS PEOPLE WERE SWIMMING AROUND HIM? MORGAN AND HER AMAZING WISDOM IMMEDIATELY TOOK ROHAN OUT OF THE WATER.

EVERYONE CRIED FOR HELP.

I'VE HAD BY THAT TIME HAD SPENT YEARS OF RESIDENCY AND TRAINING, CODED AN UNIMAGINABLE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE OVER THAT TIME.

BUT AT THAT MOMENT, AS I RUSHED FROM INDOORS TO SEE MY LIFELESS SON OUTDOORS, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO NECESSARILY DO.

PARALYZED, MY COUSIN, WHO HAPPENED TO BE AT THAT PARTY, RAMESH SRINIVASAN, HE DIDN'T FORGET QUICKLY, IT WAS A GASTROENTEROLOGIST.

PREVIOUS CHIEF OF STAFF OVER AT BAYLOR, GRAPEVINE QUICKLY STARTED CPR.

OTHER GUESTS AND MEMBERS OF THE PARTY QUICKLY CALLED 9-1-1 AND SOUTHLAKE'S BRAVEST AND FINEST, THEN WERE CALLED INTO ACTION IN THEIR QUICK RESPONSE, WHICH OF COURSE TO ANY APPARENT SEEMS LIKE FOREVER.

IT WAS, I'M SURE, JUST MOMENTS QUICKLY THEY ACHIEVED I.V.

ACCESS, INTUBATED ROHAN AND WE HAD SIGNS OF LIFE.

UNFORTUNATELY, HE WOULD CODE AGAIN AND AGAIN.

THE CARE FLIGHT TEAM WAS CALLED TO COME PICK UP OUR SON, AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO TAKE HIM OVER TO BAYLOR GRAPEVINE.

AND THE SOUTHLAKE POLICE SQUAD WARDEN CORDONED OFF MY STREET IN ESTES PARK, WE HAVE A GIANT MEETING IN THE MIDDLE OF IT IF THOSE WHO HAVEN'T DRIVEN DOWN ASPEN RIDGE AND THE FORT WORTH CREW WAS ON ITS WAY UP.

AND POLICE CHIEF AND FIRE RESCUE SAID NO, WE CAN'T MAKE IT TO BAYLOR GRAPEVINE.

YOU NEED TO GET THE DENTON CREW AND YOU NEED TO DROP RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE.

AS EVERYONE RESPONDED SO QUICKLY TO THE TO THE ONGOING CHAOS.

SOUTHLAKE FINEST AND BRAVEST CONTINUE TO DO THEIR JOBS.

WHEN THE HELICOPTER TOOK UP ROHAN, THEY COULD ONLY TAKE ONE PERSON AND SMITA BEING

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MOM SAID, IT'S ABSOLUTELY NO WAY YOU'RE GOING, I'M GOING.

THAT WAS A LONG DRIVE DOWN FROM NORTH OF 114, DOWN TO COOK'S CHILDREN.

AND WHEN I GOT THERE, ROHAN, YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN, ALL THE IGNORANCE I HAD TO MEDICINE NOW, I WAS WAY TOO AWARE.

HIS VITALS WERE NOT GOOD.

HIS LABS WERE WORSE.

THE SKILLED TEAM AT COOKS QUICKLY STARTED A HYPOTHERMIA PROTOCOL AND PUT HIM IN AN INDUCED COMA FOR SEVERAL DAYS.

THOSE WERE LONG DAYS THAT BUT WE WERE ABLE TO BEAR SOME OF THAT DIFFICULTY BECAUSE OF ALL THE NEW FRIENDS WE HAD MADE IN SOUTHLAKE, OUR OLD FRIENDS AND IN KELLER AND THE GREATER NORTH TEXAS COMMUNITY THAT HAD STARTED PRAYER CHAINS AND ABOUT THIS YOUNG BOY THAT WAS STRUGGLING FOR LIFE.

WELL, I THINK THEIR PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED, AND APPROXIMATELY THE THIRD DAY, ROHAN WOKE UP ALMOST LIKE THE HAND OF GOD HAD TOUCHED HIM.

HE WOULD SPEND ANOTHER WEEK IN THE HOSPITAL, BUT BEFORE THE END OF A WEEK OF SINCE HIS DROWNING, HE WAS BACK AT HIS HOME, GREETED BY OUR NEIGHBORS, GREETED BY TEACHERS, GREETED BY CLASSMATES.

A COMMUNITY THAT WAS INSPIRED BY HIS STORY.

THERE WERE GROWN MEN WHO RECOMMITTED THEIR THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

THEY WERE INNOVATORS THAT LOOKED FOR SOLUTIONS FOR DROWNING PREVENTION.

APPROXIMATELY A MONTH LATER, MAYOR JOHN TERRELL GAVE ME THE DISTINCT HONOR AND MY FAMILY TO BE PRESENT AS WE WERE ABLE TO COMMEND AND AWARD COMMENDATIONS TO ALL THE BRAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO ROHAN'S SUCCESS.

SINCE THAT TIME, MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW MY SON HAS HAS CONTINUED TO THRIVE.

HE IS GRADUATED FROM SOUTHLAKE CARROLL THIS PAST SPRING, HAD A 100 GPA, AND HE'S ATTENDING THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS FOR AN IN-PERSON FALL SEMESTER WITH A FOCUS IN SPORTS MANAGEMENT.

HOOK EM HORNS.

SORRY TO THE AGGIES IN THE ROOM.

IN THAT TIME HE FOUND PURPOSE, WHILE HE WAS A SOUTHLAKE SENIOR AND JUNIOR, HE WAS INVOLVED WITH THE LONE LIFEJACKET PROGRAM AT GRAPEVINE LAKE, WHICH RAISED THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR INDIVIDUALS AT THESE LIFEGUARD STANDS.

SO WHEN THEY GO TO GRAPEVINE LAKE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE RESOURCES.

YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS THAT ROHAN'S STORY IS UNFORTUNATELY TOO UNCOMMON AND SPECIAL.

NEARLY TWELVE THOUSAND INDIVIDUALS DROWN ANNUALLY IN THIS COUNTRY, 4000 WHO WILL DIE.

WORLDWIDE, THE NUMBER IS CLOSER TO 300000 DEATHS, AND WE HAVE DOZENS OF FATALITIES PER YEAR HERE IN NORTH TEXAS ALONE.

THAT THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DEATHS REPRESENTS MORE LIVES THAT ARE TAKEN BY A MULTIPLE FACTOR THAN WARS AND GUN VIOLENCE.

AND BY THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST PREVENTABLE CAUSES OF DEATH IN THE WORLD.

OUT OF THAT INITIAL COMMENDATION, I MADE A PROMISE AND TO MAYOR TERRELL AND THAT COUNCIL THAT WE WERE GOING, THE RAMALLAH'S, WERE GOING TO STEP UP.

WE WERE GOING TO LET ROHAN'S STORY INSPIRE.

BUT WE WERE GOING TO ALSO WANT TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAMS THAT WILL PROTECT OUR YOUTH.

UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN HERE AND AS ALL THESE AMAZING INITIATIVES, WE LOST ONE OF OUR OWN HERE IN JUNE OF 2016.

SO THE VIGILANCE, THE MESSAGING, IT CAN NEVER BE TOO MUCH BY THE TIME THE MARKET OPENED UP.

MAYOR HILL GAVE US THE DISTINCT HONOR, ALONG WITH WITH CHRIS TRIBBLE, TO MAKE ROHAN'S STORY A PROMINENT FEATURE AT THE MARQ POOL.

IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, THERE'S AN ENTIRE WALL DEDICATED TO WALL SAFETY AND THE LITTLE MESSAGE FROM OUR FAMILY ABOUT THE LITTLE THINGS YOU DO.

THE GREATEST HIGHLIGHTS IN IT ARE, THANKS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT HELPED AND SUPPORTED US AND THAT WE SHOULD ALL SUPERVISE WITH OUR EYES, NOT JUST OUR PRESENCE.

THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE THAT DAY.

A LOT OF PEOPLE PRESENT, JUST NOBODY WAS WATCHING.

AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE AS TIME HAS GONE ON A LITTLE BIT.

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FINALLY, I THINK ROHAN GRADUATING IT WAS TIME FOR FOR ME TO FULFILL THAT PROMISE.

AND THIS FALL, THE RAMALLAH FAMILY HAS MADE A DONATION TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE TO CONTINUE OUR MISSION AND SUPPORT, TO FIND THE GAPS, TO FIND THE RESOURCES, TO PROTECT THOSE LIVES YOUNG AND OLD, YOUNG AND OLD, SO THAT SUCH A TRAGEDY AND SUCH SUFFERING DOESN'T LIKE THE TWO STORIES I'VE MENTIONED HAVE TO HAPPEN TO US.

IN CLOSING, I'LL TELL YOU THAT.

YOU KNOW, EASTERN PHILOSOPHIES AND THOUGHTS TALK ABOUT THE IDEA OF OF KARMA, WHICH IS OUR, WHICH IS THE COMPILATION OF EVERYTHING WE DO GOOD AND WHAT WE DO BAD.

THE WAY THE RESOURCES OF THIS CITY HELPED TO SAVE ROHAN'S LIFE WAS VERY GOOD.

THE WAY THIS COMMUNITY HAS SUPPORTED MY FAMILY AND HIM THROUGH THOSE TIMES WAS VERY GOOD, THE WAY MY PRACTICE AND MY WIFE'S PRACTICE HAVE HAVE THRIVED IN THIS CITY AND HAS BEEN SO MEANINGFUL IS SO GOOD.

THE WAY THAT MY TWO CHILDREN ARE THRIVING AT CARROLL ISD AND ALL THE COACHES AND TEACHERS AND NEIGHBORS WHO LOVE THEM SO MUCH IS SO VERY GOOD.

AND HOPEFULLY THIS MONEY WE'RE PROVIDING WILL CONTINUE TO DO MORE GOOD.

THANK YOU.

DR.

RAMALLAH, DR.

RAMALLAH, IF YOU COULD STAY, AND IS SMITA BEHIND YOU? YES DR.

RAMALLAH, COULD YOU COME UP, PLEASE? COULD BOTH OF YOU ALL JUST COME UP? I'M SURE WE WANT TO JUST SAY A FEW WORDS.

LET ME LET ME START BY SAYING, THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR THE STORY.

FIRST OF ALL, AND THE REMINDER OF WHAT AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF SOUTHLAKE HISTORY THAT YOUR FAMILY HAS BEEN A PART OF.

THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER THAT WATER SAFETY IS SO IMPORTANT, AND WE ARE SO THANKFUL THAT WE GET TO CELEBRATE ROHAN'S SUCCESSES.

THANKS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE'S QUICK THINKING AND QUICK ACTION OF THAT DAY.

YOUR FAMILY IS SO HUMBLE AND SO GENEROUS AND SO MODEST THAT YOU KIND OF FAIL TO MENTION ONE OF THE BIG PIECES OF INFORMATION THERE.

AND THAT IS, YOUR GENEROSITY ACTUALLY LED YOU TO DONATE FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS TO THE CITY, WHICH IS JUST ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE.

AND WE THANK YOU GUYS FOR THAT, AMAZING.

SO I WANT TO GIVE COUNCIL AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON, YOU WANT TO START US OFF? YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I MEAN, THE STORY IS INCREDIBLE.

THE RAMALLAH'S ARE NEIGHBORS OF OURS.

WE'VE BEEN NEIGHBORS FOR WELL OVER A DECADE.

AND AS YOU WERE SHARING THAT YOU THINK ABOUT THERE'S VERY FEW PLACES THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN YOUR LIFE WHERE YOU REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE WHEN IT HAPPENED.

WE'RE COMING UP ON ONE THIS WEEKEND, RIGHT? 911, WHEN ROHAN CAME, CAME SO CLOSE TO DROWNING.

I REMEMBER RIGHT WHERE WE WERE.

WE GOT THAT PHONE CALL.

WE WERE IN THE CAR ON OUR WAY TO FLORIDA ON VACATION.

AND THEN I REMEMBER, LIKE YOU SAID, A WEEK OR SO LATER BEING IN YOUR DRIVEWAY WHEN YOU BROUGHT HIM HOME.

AND IT'S THIS IS SUCH A SPECIAL STORY.

WHAT I THINK ABOUT FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT IS, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE CONSIDERING BUDGETS.

WE'LL BE APPROVING A BUDGET THAT CONTINUES TO PUT MONEY INTO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, INTO OUR POLICE INTO OUR FIRE.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO TRY TO PAY COMPETITIVELY TO GET THE BEST OF THE BEST AND TO KEEP THEM HERE.

AND IT'S STORIES LIKE THIS THAT CAUSE YOU TO SAY IT'S WORTH EVERY PENNY OF WHAT WE BUDGET FOR STORIES LIKE THIS FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

AND SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW ROHAN AND RAYNA AND THE RAMALLAH'S, THEY'RE WONDERFUL PEOPLE.

ROHAN'S AN INCREDIBLE KID.

HE'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS WORLD.

SO AUGUST 7TH WAS A SPECIAL DAY.

SO THANK YOU THOUGH FOR THIS DONATION.

ABSOLUTELY, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER TORRES-LEPP.

WOW, I HADN'T HEARD THAT STORY, SO I'M A LITTLE CHOKED UP AND WAS A GREAT, A GREAT ENDING.

AND I COMMEND YOUR FAMILY FOR THE DONATION.

THANK YOU.

AND ALSO THE PUTTING INTO ACTION THE LIFE JACKETS AT GRAPEVINE LAKE IT'S JUST SO VERY COOL.

SO THANK YOU.

ABSOLUTELY.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID CHOKED UP.

SO FIRST OF ALL, I LIKE TO JUST SAY THANK YOU, IT JUST BROUGHT BACK MEMORIES OF MY FAMILY WHEN MY DAUGHTER, MY OLDEST DAUGHTER, WAS BORN AND SHE HAD ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE ADAMANT ABOUT, SHE HAD TO START SWIMMING RIGHT AWAY.

SO AT TWO YEARS OLD, SHE BEGAN SWIMMING AND MY YOUNGEST FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS, AND IT WAS MAGICAL TO SEE A LITTLE KID LEARNING TO, YOU KNOW, DO THE DROWNING PREVENTION TECHNIQUES TO, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE SIDE OF THE POOL.

AND EVERY YEAR, THE THING THEY HAVE TO DO IS PLAY GOLF, TENNIS AND SWIM.

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THEY HAVE TO SWIM EVERY DAY.

BUT I JUST LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU STEPPED UP IN THE WAY THAT YOU DID THE WAY TO COMMEMORATE THIS TRAGEDY THAT, YOU KNOW, TURNS OUT TO BE SUCH A POSITIVE STORY.

IT'S JUST SO SPECIAL.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT BEING TEARED UP, IT'S JUST SO SPECIAL.

IT'S SO SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE OUT OF THIS, SO MANY OTHER KIDS WILL BE HELPED.

SO, SO THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER PATTON.

YEAH, THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY A FEW WONDERFUL WORDS ABOUT A WONDERFUL FAMILY FROM GOSH, SOCCER TOTS AT FOUR YEARS OLD TO OUR KIDS GRADUATING THIS YEAR, AND TO THE KIND WORDS AND THE KIND DONATION THAT YOU'VE GIVEN ON BEHALF OF YOUR SON AND YOUR FAMILY.

I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT OUR THANKS GOES TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE A BIG PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, YOUR CARING HEARTS AS PHYSICIANS AND OBVIOUSLY THE GIVING THAT YOU'VE DONE TO BRING AWARENESS TO SUCH A TRAGIC EVENT THAT TURNED OUT SO POSITIVE IS IMPORTANT.

AND SO THE REASON WHY OUR COMMUNITY IS SO SPECIAL IS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE, NOT JUST FOR THIS, BUT ALSO YOUR SERVICE AS PHYSICIANS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU.

WELL, SAID COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS.

HEY, ]INAUDIBLE] WE'VE KNOW EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME AND AS A DAD, I JUST I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THAT FELT LIKE.

BUT WHAT I HEARD THE STORY TODAY, OTHER THAN THE CELEBRATION OF LIFE AND THE WAY YOUR FAITH CARRIED YOU THROUGH, THERE WAS WHAT YOUR COMMUNITY MEANT TO YOU.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES SOUTHLAKE DIFFERENT.

I THINK WE HEAR SO MANY COMPETING STORIES IN THE MEDIA TODAY, BUT THIS IS WHAT SOUTHLAKE IS, THEY STEP UP AND THEY SERVE THEIR NEIGHBORS EVERY DAY, ALL DAY LONG, SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL PUT IT TO GREAT USE.

BUT I HOPE YOU STILL FEEL AS LOVED AND AS ACCEPTED AND WELCOMED INTO THIS COMMUNITY AS YOU DID THAT DAY.

SO COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR STORY.

IT TOOK ME BACK.

WE WERE NOT IN SOUTHLAKE VERY LONG AND WE HAD A BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR ONE OF MY KIDS AND BACKYARD FULL OF PEOPLE.

EVERYONE WAS THERE, NOBODY WAS LOOKING.

AND FORTUNATELY FOR US, THE CHILD THAT FELL IN, SOMEBODY SPOTTED HER FAIRLY QUICKLY AND WE DID NOT HAVE TO MAKE THAT 911 CALL.

BUT WE EASILY, EASILY COULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT SITUATION.

AND SO I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH, BUT WHAT A BLESSING THAT YOUR SON IS GRADUATED AND YES, GOING TO UT, I HAD TO GET THAT IN, YOU KNOW, I DID, BUT WHAT A BLESSING YOU ARE TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND FOR ME IN PARTICULAR, I ECHO WHAT ALL OF MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID.

BUT ALSO IT'S IT REALLY IS ABOUT THE MESSAGING AND GETTING THE WORD OUT AND CONTINUING TO TELL THE STORY BECAUSE I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT MY STORY FOR A LONG TIME UNTIL YOU WERE RELAYING YOURS.

AND I THOUGHT, OH YEAH, THAT THAT HAPPENED TO US.

NOT THE SAME, THANKFULLY, BUT IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO KEEP TELLING THAT STORY SO THAT PEOPLE ARE REMINDED TO BE WATCHFUL AND REALLY, WHAT WE DID AFTER THAT WAS START HIRING FELLOW DRAGON LIFEGUARDS TO COME TO OUR BIRTHDAY PARTIES, OUR POOL PARTIES.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR GIFT, YOUR GENEROSITY AND ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

IT WAS GREAT TO HEAR YOUR STORY.

ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH, ECHO WHAT EVERYBODY SAID.

THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR BEING WILLING TO STEP UP AND TELL THE STORY.

STEP UP AND USE YOUR WITH GOD'S BLESSED YOU WITH TO BLESS OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE YOUR STORY MAKES A DIFFERENCE AND IT MAKES AN IMPACT.

AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY FUN TO WATCH, AND WE CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT ROHAN AND ALL OF YOUR FAMILY DOES AS THEY'RE GOING TO BE AMAZING.

I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A CHECK FOR A PHOTO OP, IS THAT RIGHT? SO, SO WHEN THE RAMALLAH'S PRESENTED THIS, I THINK IT WAS MAYOR TERRELL.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN MAYOR HILL.

THE IDEA WAS WE NEED TO DO A PHOTO OP WITH ONE OF THOSE GIGANTIC CHECKS, AND I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.

SO IF COUNCIL, WE COULD ALL JOIN THE RAMALLAH'S DOWN, WE'LL TAKE SOME PICTURES AND CELEBRATE.

ALL RIGHT.

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WHAT AN INCREDIBLE STORY, THANK YOU, GUYS AGAIN FOR FOR EVERYTHING, THAT'S AMAZING.

[6. Honors and Recognition: Proclamation for 9/11]

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER SIX AND STAYING IN OUR SOMBER TONE.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PROCLAMATION NOW FOR THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF SEPTEMBER 11TH, AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE.

I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW QUICKLY TIME HAS GONE AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER, WILLIAMSON SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE JUST A FEW EVENTS THROUGHOUT AMERICAN HISTORY WHERE EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE WHEN IT WHEN IT HAPPENED AND NINE ELEVEN IS CERTAINLY CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE.

AND WE HAVE A REALLY SPECIAL CEREMONY COMING UP AND I WOULD INVITE EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE AND THE MILLIONS WATCHING ACROSS THE WORLD.

PLEASE JOIN US HONESTLY, FOR OUR 20TH ANNIVERSARY.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY, REALLY SPECIAL CEREMONY.

IT'S GOING TO BEGIN PROMPTLY AT SEVEN POINT FORTY SIX A.M., WHICH IS THE TIME THE FIRST PLANE FLEW INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTER.

IT'S GOING TO BE HERE AT SOUTHLAKE TOWN HALL.

THERE'LL BE A LAYING OF A WREATH AND THERE'LL BE AN HONOR GUARD PRESENTATION.

IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY MOVING A REALLY SPECIAL TIME TO REMEMBER AND AND TO COMMEMORATE NOT ONLY THE FIREFIGHTERS AND THE POLICE OFFICERS, THE DPS PERSONNEL WHO LOST THEIR LIVES THAT DAY, ALL THE AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO LOST THEIR LIVES THAT DAY, BUT ALSO THE SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN, THE SOLDIERS, SAILORS, AIRMEN AND MARINES WHO HAVE FOUGHT IN THOSE WARS TO DO THEIR VERY BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT NEVER HAPPENS ON AMERICAN SOIL AGAIN.

IT'S BEEN 20 YEARS, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CELEBRATE AS A COMMUNITY AND COMMEMORATE ALL OF THE LIVES LOST AND THE SACRIFICES MADE AFTER THAT DATE.

SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ISSUE A PROCLAMATION.

THIS IS A BIG ONE [INAUDIBLE], MY GOODNESS.

YOU KNOW, NO, IT'S ALRIGHT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT.

OK, WHEREAS TWO DECADES AGO, ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2001, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ENDURED THE WORST TERRORIST ATTACK ON U.S.

SOIL IN THE NATION'S HISTORY.

IN RESPONSE TO THIS TRAGEDY, AMERICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY CAME TOGETHER IN A REMARKABLE SPIRIT OF PATRIOTISM AND UNITY AND CARRIED OUT COUNTLESS ACTS OF KINDNESS, GENEROSITY AND COMPASSION.

AND WHEREAS COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AND FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE NINE 11 VICTIMS BEGAN OBSERVING THE ANNIVERSARY OF SEPTEMBER 11TH AS A CHARITABLE SERVICE DAY TO HONOR THE MEMORY OF THOSE WHO WERE LOST AND THOSE WHO UNITED IN RESPONSE TO THE TRAGEDY, INCLUDING FIRST RESPONDERS AND VOLUNTEERS.

AND WHEREAS PARTICIPATING IN SERVICE AND REMEMBRANCE ACTIVITIES ON SEPTEMBER 11TH IS A POSITIVE AND RESPECTFUL WAY TO REMEMBER THE LIVES OF THOSE LOST.

PAY TRIBUTE TO THOSE WHO ROSE IN SERVICE AND HONOR THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SERVE OUR COUNTRY TODAY, INCLUDING ACTIVE DUTY AND RESERVE SOLDIERS AND THEIR FAMILIES, VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS.

NOW, THEREFORE, I MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITIZENS OF SOUTHLAKE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 11, 2021 AS 911 DAY OF SERVICE AND REMEMBRANCE IN SOUTHLAKE, AND ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO HONOR THE LIVES OF THOSE LOST THROUGH PARTICIPATION IN COMMUNITY SERVICE AND REMEMBRANCE CEREMONIES ON THIS DAY AND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE PROCLAMATION AND WE HOPE YOU ALL CAN JOIN US ON SATURDAY MORNING.

YES, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A PHOTO WITH THE POLICE AND FIRE.

OK, SO IF WE CAN COME ON DOWN.

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OK, WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[7. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session.]

I WOULD NOTE THAT ITEMS 4E AND 4-F WERE LEFT BLANK INTENTIONALLY SO CONSENT AGENDA IS 4A APPROVED MINUTES TO THE AUGUST 11TH 2021 SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

ITEM 4B APPROVED MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 17TH 2021 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

ITEM 4C RESOLUTION NUMBER, 21-039.

ANNUAL REVIEW OF INVESTMENT POLICY AND INVESTMENT STRATEGIES.

ITEM 4D, APPROVE SUPPLEMENT AGREEMENT NUMBER TWO WITH MCMANUS AND JOHNSON CONSULTING ENGINEERS LLC TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR THE FUEL FARM WATER LINE EXTENSION PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $15000.

ITEM FOUR E AND F LEFT BLANK INTENTIONALLY, FOUR G APPROVE COMMUNITY SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH APEX ARTS LEAGUE FOR THE TERM OCTOBER 1, 2021 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2024.

ITEM 4H, APPROVAL OF THE RENEWAL OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES AGREEMENTS WITH ARTS COUNCIL IN NORTHEAST FOR THE TERM OCTOBER 1, 2021 AND SEPTEMBER 30, 2024.

ITEM 4I APPROVED COMMUNITY SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH SOUTHLAKE HISTORICAL SOCIETY FOR THE TERM OCT.

1, 2021 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2024.

ITEM 4J, APPROVE COMMUNITY SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH SOUTHLAKE SISTER CITIES FOR THE TERM OCTOBER 1, 2021 SEPTEMBER 30, 2024.

AND ITEM 4K, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THIS ITEM BE TABLED TO THE AUGUST 19, 2021 P AND Z COMMISSION MEETING AND IS SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD BY P AND Z ON SEPTEMBER 9TH.

IS THAT RIGHT? SEPTEMBER 9TH AND THEN, IF RECOMMENDED, THE ITEM WILL BE PLACED ON THE SEPTEMBER 21, 2021 CITY COUNCIL AGENDA.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR CONSENT AGENDA? I HAD ONE I WOULD ASK THAT WE CONSIDER I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE ITEM 9A THE VARIOSYSTEMS SIGN.

KEN, CAN YOU GIVE US LIKE A ONE MINUTE RECAP OF THAT? MAYOR [INAUDIBLE] THE COUNCIL VARIOSYSTEMS IS ASKING, REQUESTING A SIGN VARIANCE TO ALLOW TWO UPPER STORY SIGNS LOCATED OUTSIDE THE 75 PERCENT MIDDLE OF THE FACADE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, WHERE THE RED LINES ARE INDICATED IS WHERE THE SIGNS ARE PROPOSED TO BE PLACED.

THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THEY BE IN THE CENTER 75 PERCENT OF THE THE PRIMARY PLANE FOR THE LOCATION OF AN INSTALLATION.

THE SIGNS ARE NOT ILLUMINATED.

THERE WERE TWO SIGNS THERE PREVIOUSLY.

THESE SIGNS ARE ACTUALLY SMALLER, BUT AT THE TIME THOSE TWO SIGNS WERE INITIALLY PUT IN, WE DID NOT HAVE THE VARIOUS REQUESTS FOR UPPER STORY SIGNS.

SO THESE ARE THE PROPOSED SIGNS.

AGAIN, THEY'RE NON ILLUMINATED AND THEY WANT TO BE UPPER STORY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS SIGNS, BUT THEY JUST WANT TO BE LOCATED AT THE CORNER PORTION OF THE BUILDING.

I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS.

IF YOU IF YOU GUYS DO, WE CAN KEEP IT, BUT ALL GOOD? YEAH, IT'S GOOD.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S PUT IT ON CONSENT.

THANK YOU, KEN.

ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR CONSENT COUNCIL? OK, WITH THAT, WE'LL CONCLUDE THE WORK SESSION AND CALL TO ORDER THE

[1. Call to order.]

REGULAR SESSION, AND OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE WILL BE OUT,

[2. A. Executive Session]

WE'RE HAVING OUR PICTURE MADE AROUND 7:00.

SO 7:30 PROBABLY BEFORE WE'RE BACK, OK, WE'LL SAY 7:30.

OK, AS MAYOR, I HEREBY ADVISE YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM A CITY ATTORNEY AND SECTION 551.087 TO DELIBERATE REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS, AND WE WILL SEE YOU BACK HERE ABOUT 7:30.

ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, WE'LL CALL THE REGULAR SESSION BACK IN ORDER.

IS THERE ANY ACTION REQUIRED COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, SIR, AND WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 3A, WHICH IS THE MAYOR'S

[3. REPORTS]

REPORT.

NOTHING IS SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 3B, THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, AND I WILL STALL FOR CITY MANAGER SHANA YELVERTON, WHO IS BRINGING US A RIVETING CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

YES, MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO ASK MIKE STARR AND AMANDA

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MANESSIS TO STEP FORWARD.

WE ARE ACTUALLY CELEBRATING NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH AND THEY'RE GOING TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

DON'T WORRY, GO AHEAD, AMANDA, GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

GOOD TO SEE YOU, THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR HAVING ME HERE THIS EVENING TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH.

SO NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH WAS LAUNCHED IN SEPTEMBER OF TWO THOUSAND FOUR.

IT IS A FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT INITIATIVE.

IT'S USUALLY CASED UNDER THE READY.GOV PLATFORM FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH WAS ACTUALLY CHOSEN IN SEPTEMBER BECAUSE OF THE TRAGEDIES OF 9-11 AND HOW THE COMMUNITIES REALLY PULLED TOGETHER AND SHOWED A SENSE OF CAMARADERIE AND PREPAREDNESS IN THAT EVENT.

IT IS ALSO THE PEAK OF HURRICANE SEASON, SO PUT THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER THEY CHOSE SEPTEMBER.

THE PULL PREFACES OF NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH IS TO EDUCATE AND EMPOWER AMERICANS TO RESPOND TO EMERGENCIES, WHETHER THEY BE NATURAL DISASTERS, MAN MADE TERRORIST THREATS OR EVEN GLOBAL PANDEMICS AT THIS POINT.

THIS YEAR'S SLOGAN THAT THEY HAVE FOR NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH IS "PREPARE TO PROTECT", WHICH REALLY IS GOOD IN OUR WHOLE REALM OF THINGS BECAUSE WE CREATED THE PROTECT PAGE AND A LOT OF OUR LOGOS FOR DPS IS PROTECT SOUTHLAKE.

SO I DON'T THINK MANY OF US NEED TO KNOW WHY WE PREPARE, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE LAST TWO YEARS OF DEALING WITH THE ONSLAUGHT OF COVID 19.

AND THEN WE WERE LUCKY TO HAVE THE PERFECT STORM IN FEBRUARY, SO WE SAW MANY OF YOU THERE IN OUR PREPAREDNESS EFFORTS.

SO THE QUESTION WHY PREPARE IT SAVES LIVES REDUCES UNCERTAINTY.

IT REDUCES STRESS, ESTABLISHES SAFETY AND SECURITY SPEEDS RECOVERY, REDUCES DANGER AND CREATES RESPONSIBILITY.

OVERALL, THAT LEADS TO A COMMUNITY GOAL OF RESILIENCE, WHICH EMPOWERS US TO NOT ONLY RESPOND TO BUT RECOVER FROM ALL DISASTERS THAT MAY AFFECT THE CITY.

SO MANY PEOPLE FIND PREPAREDNESS IS OVERWHELMING, AND WE ALWAYS TEACH IT.

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS ONE TWO THREE.

KNOW WHAT HAZARDS AFFECT YOUR AREA, AND YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR ALERTS SOUTHLAKE TO GET YOUR EMERGENCY ALERTS AND HEAR MAYOR HUFFMAN ANNOUNCE EVERY EMERGENCY THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CITY.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT THERE ARE OTHER EMERGENCY ALERTS THAT YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR, WE JUST HOPE THAT YOU SIGN UP FOR ONE OF THEM.

SECOND IS MAKE A PLAN, CREATE AN EMERGENCY PLAN FOR YOUR FAMILY THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE IN YOUR FAMILY.

AND IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO KNOW THE EMERGENCY PLANS FOR YOUR WORKPLACE AND FOR YOUR SCHOOL, SO IT REDUCES UNCERTAINTY.

AND LASTLY, BUILD A KIT.

EMERGENCY KIT SHOULD BE FOR ALL PERSONNEL IN YOUR FAMILY, INCLUDING YOUR PETS AND ANYONE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS.

AND YOUR KIDS SHOULD BE PORTABLE AND HAVE ENOUGH ITEMS TO LAST EACH MEMBER ABOUT 72 HOURS.

SO THIS IS A GREAT CITY THAT REALLY TAKES EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT VERY SERIOUSLY.

UNLIKE ALL CITIES IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

SO JOB SECURITY FOR ME, AND ALONG WITH THAT IS WE DO HAVE A LOT OF INITIATIVES THAT REALLY GO WITH EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS.

THIS YEAR, WE'VE BEEN UPDATING OUR CONTINUITY OF OPERATION PLANS.

WE WERE ABLE TO USE THOSE DURING THE PANDEMIC AND ALSO THE FEBRUARY STORM.

SO NOW WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH WHAT WORKED IN OUR INITIAL PLANS, WHAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN.

IT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATE EVERY FIVE YEARS.

SO REALLY GETTING STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT TO MAKE SURE OUR PLAN REPRESENTS WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO.

WE'VE STARTED BUSINESS CONTINUITY PLANNING.

KRIS TRIBBLE, WHO LEFT ME, HE ACTUALLY WAS OUR FIRST APARTMENT, SO IT'S FOR OUR REVENUE GENERATING DEPARTMENT.

SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO BRING BACK ONLINE TO START CREATING REVENUE? WE HAVE A RAPID RESPONSE TEAM WHICH HELPS US WITH OUR NATURAL DISASTER EVENTS THAT CALLS IN SOME OF OUR PERSONNEL FROM PARKS, PUBLIC WORKS, EVEN SOME OF OUR BUILDING CODE PEOPLE TO GET US BACK TO OPERATIONS.

EMERGENCY ACTION PLANS FOR EVERY CITY.

WE HAVE THE CORPORATE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS CHARTER, WHICH ALLOWS STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT AND ALL THAT WE DO FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

WE'VE DONE SOME EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, TEAM TRAINING AND THEN OUR RELOCATION OF THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER IS IN PROGRESS.

SO THIS YEAR, THE STATE OF TEXAS AND GOVERNOR ABBOTT ACTUALLY PROCLAIMED SEPTEMBER AS EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS MONTH, AND HE HAS SET OUT A PLAN FOR ALL EMERGENCY MANAGERS TO FOLLOW.

SO WEEK ONE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A PLAN, WEEK TWO BUILDING A KIT, WEEK THREE IS LOW COST, NO COST PREPAREDNESS AND WEEK FOUR TEACHING YOUTH ABOUT PREPAREDNESS.

AND IN HIS PROCLAMATION, HE ACTUALLY STATED IT QUITE BEAUTIFULLY.

AT THIS TIME, I ENCOURAGE ALL TEXANS TO REMAIN MINDFUL OF BOTH NATURAL AND MAN MADE DISASTERS, AS THE CONDITIONS OF POTENTIAL THREATS CAN CHANGE RAPIDLY.

IT IS ESSENTIAL TO UNDERSTAND AND HEED THE WARNINGS FROM LOCAL

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OFFICIALS AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PERSONNEL IN ORDER TO ENSURE A BETTER AND BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS, WE MUST PREPARE TODAY FOR A SAFER TOMORROW.

OUR BIGGEST EVENT FOR PREPAREDNESS MONTH, AND WE HELD A PREPAREDNESS FAIR IN 2019, OF COURSE, 2020 GOT CANCELED AND WE'VE HAD TO PUSH BACK JUST LIKE ART IN THE SQUARE TO SEPTEMBER.

I ALSO GOT THEIR PERMISSION TO HOLD IT AT THE SAME TIME AS ART IN THE SQUARE SO THAT WE CAN BOTH KIND OF GET PARTICIPANTS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE ON SEPTEMBER 25TH FROM 9 TO 12, AND WE'LL BE SHARING ALL OF OUR PREPAREDNESS, INFORMATION AND KNOWLEDGE WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT PARTNERS, SUCH AS CAREFLIGHT'S GOING TO COME AND LAND A HELICOPTER.

WE HAVE BOY SCOUTS TALKING ABOUT WHATEVER BOY SCOUTS WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT KNOTS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

THEY GET BADGES FOR IT.

SO IT WORKS FOR ME, AS WELL AS A LOT OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS OUT THERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE KNOW BEST.

AND TO KICK OFF OUR PREPAREDNESS EVENT, WE DO HAVE A BLOOD DRIVE ON THE 24TH.

PART OF PREPAREDNESS INCLUDES A ROBUST BLOOD SUPPLY.

COVID 19 AND OTHER DISASTERS HAVE REALLY TAKEN A TOLL ON THAT EVENT WITH HURRICANE IDA.

SO WE ARE DOING A BLOOD DRIVE ON THAT FRIDAY AND ANYONE IS FREE TO SIGN UP, WE'LL TAKE ANYONE'S BLOOD.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.

I JUST HAVE ONE WHERE I'M SURE IT'S ON HERE SOMEWHERE.

WHERE CAN WE GO TO FIND OUT HOW TO BUILD THAT KIT? UM YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL OUR OFFICE AND THEN WE WILL BE OUT THERE AT THE PREPAREDNESS FAIR, WILL BE PUTTING TOGETHER KITS FOR PEOPLE AND WE HAVE LISTS AS WELL.

OK, THANK YOU.

MM HMM.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE IN THE SPAN OF THE LAST 18 MONTHS, WE'VE HAD TWO UNPRECEDENTED DISASTERS, NEITHER OF WHICH WE COULD HAVE PREDICTED EVEN TWO WEEKS BEFORE THEY HAPPEN BETWEEN COVID AND SNOWMAGEDDON.

SO YOUR OFFICE IS CERTAINLY BEEN IN THE SPOTLIGHT AND YOU'VE RISEN TO THE TASK.

I THINK ALL OF COUNCIL KNOWS, BUT MAYBE THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE I'M WATCHING AT HOME MIGHT NOT THAT YOU WERE LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR COORDINATING THE PALLETS OF WATER.

SIX HUNDRED PALLETS OF WATER THAT WERE DELIVERED FROM WEST TEXAS DUE TO YOUR PROFESSIONAL CONTACTS IN YOUR HARD WORK.

YOU WERE WORKING OVERTIME AND I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU PERSONALLY ON BEHALF OF ALL OF SOUTHLAKE FOR WHAT YOU DID.

AND YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

AND THIS IS CERTAINLY A CRITICAL TIME, AND YOU KNOW, SHAME ON ALL OF US IF WE DON'T TAKE OPPORTUNITY TO GET PREPARED FOR ANYTHING THAT'S COMING.

SO.

I JUST WANT TO ADD ON TO THAT.

I THINK WHEN YOU THINK OF AN EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS MANAGER, A LOT OF TIMES YOU THINK ABOUT SOMEONE WHO'S A DOER AND AMANDA IS DEFINITELY A DOER.

BUT WHAT PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW IS WHAT A TREMENDOUS LEADER SHE IS FOR OUR ORGANIZATION.

SHE KEEPS US ON TASK AND WORKS WITH EVERY LEVEL OF OUR ORGANIZATION SO THAT WE'RE READY AND WE KNOW WHAT TO DO WHEN THE TIME COMES.

AND IF WE HAD ANY DOUBT ABOUT HER CAPABILITIES IN THAT AREA, THAT'S ALL BEEN CLEARED UP IN THE LAST YEAR.

SO WE'RE SO APPRECIATIVE OF HER AND HER WORK.

REALLY A TREMENDOUS LEADER IN OUR ORGANIZATION.

THANK YOU.

ABSOLUTELY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOU, HOPEFULLY, WE'LL NOT NEED SO MUCH OF YOUR SERVICES IN THE FOREGOING YEARS.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

WE'VE ALREADY READ THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT.

SO I'LL JUST NOTE THAT ITEMS 4E AND 4F WERE LEFT BLANK AND APPLICANT FOR ITEM 4K REQUESTED THIS ITEM BE TABLED TO AUGUST 19TH.

IT'S GOING TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE P&Z COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 9TH AND IF THINGS GO WELL, WE WILL SEE THAT SEPTEMBER 21, AND I BELIEVE WE WERE ALSO GOING TO ADD ITEM NUMBER, ITEM 9A TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT, IS THERE A MOTION? YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEMS NUMBER 4A THROUGH 4K AS WELL AS ITEMS 9A.

OTHERWISE REFERRED TO HERE AS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SO MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

AND THAT ITEM PASSES SEVEN-ZERO.

THANK YOU, WITH THAT, WE WILL OPEN UP OUR PUBLIC FORUM, SO THE PUBLIC FORUM

[5. Public Forum.]

PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO BRING ITEMS FORWARD TO US THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

SO WITH THAT, I HAVE ONE CARD FOR PUBLIC FORUM.

DANIEL J.

BENNETT FROM 408 PEMBERTON ST..

MR. BENNETT, COME ON DOWN AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, JUST AS A REMINDER, THERE'S A THREE MINUTE TIME CAP.

THE GREEN LIGHT WILL GO ON, I THINK THE YELLOW LIGHT GOES ON AT ONE MINUTE, SO THE RED LIGHT STARTS FLASHING WHEN IT'S UP.

DANIEL J.

BENNETT, WHITE SETTLEMENT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR HUFFMAN, COUNCIL.

I'M GOING TO JUST READ, THIS IS THREE MINUTES.

IN JANUARY OF 2020, TAD BOARD MEMBER RICHARD DIAT REQUESTED FROM TAD STAFF THE NUMBER OF PROTESTS HEARD BY THE ARB FOR THE YEARS OF 2013 THROUGH 2019.

I BELIEVE MR. DIAT DID YOU GET YOUR VOTES BACK IN 2019.

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HE ALSO GATHERED THE SAME INFORMATION FROM FOUR LARGE APPRAISAL DISTRICTS.

MR. DIAT THEN PRESENTED THIS COMPARISON TO THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE, CHAIRED BY SENATOR NELSON ON FEBRUARY 25TH OF 2020.

THIS PRESENTATION, AS AN INVITED GUEST PROMPTED SENATOR NELSON TO SEND A LETTER TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF TURNER APPRAISAL DISTRICT, DATED 30TH OF APRIL 2020, WHICH HAS BEEN SUPPLIED TO YOU BY OFFICER ALDRIDGE, THANK YOU, OFFICER.

THAT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO.

THE LETTER REQUESTS INVESTIGATING THE SOFTWARE USED BY THE DISTRICT IF IT IS PLAYING A ROLE IN THE INCREASED NUMBER OF PROTESTS IN RELATION TO OTHER MAJOR METROPOLITAN COUNTIES.

THIS LETTER WAS SUPPRESSED, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, IT WAS SUPPRESSED BY THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

BY NOT DISTRIBUTING THE LETTER TO EACH BOARD MEMBER, WHICH WAS RECEIVED ON MAY 11TH BY THE DISTRICT.

THE LETTER WAS THOUGH PLACED INTO THEIR AGENDA PACKET FOR THE JUNE 5TH MEETING, SO IT WAS SLID INTO THE PACKET.

THAT'S HOW THEY RECEIVED IT, BUT NOT UNTIL THE AGENDA PACKET FOR THE PUBLIC ONLINE.

DURING THE JUNE 5TH MEETING, THE LETTER WAS NOT ALLOWED TO BE DISCUSSED ON THE AGENDA WAS AN ACTION ITEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AUDIT SERVICES TO INVESTIGATE THE SOFTWARE, WHICH DID PASS THREE TO TWO.

THIS IS WHERE EVERYTHING FELL APART.

SOON AFTER THIS MEETING, TWO MEMBERS ASKED TO BE RECALLED.

EACH SENT A LETTER TO THE RESPECTIVE VOTING BLOC TO BE RECALLED.

JOHN MOLANO WAS A THIRD YES VOTE ON THE ACTION ITEM AND MIKE O'DONNELL WAS THE CHAIR CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD.

I SUED THE DISTRICT, JOHN MOLANO, MIKE O'DONNELL AND EIGHT TAXING UNITS FOR THE MISUSE OF THE RECALL STATUTE IN THE NINETY SIXTH DISTRICT COURT.

THIS RECALL REQUEST WAS SO THE TAXING ENTITIES COULD CONTROL THE PROCESS.

HAD EACH MEMBER JUST RESIGNED, ALL NOMINATIONS FROM THE TAXING ENTITIES WOULD THEN BE SENT TO THE REMAINING THREE BOARD MEMBERS FOR VETTING AND SELECTION.

THIS VACUUM OF LEADERSHIP WAS IGNORED BY THE CHIEF APPRAISER MR. LAW.

MR. LAW IGNORED REQUESTS BY TWO BOARD MEMBERS FOR AN IMMEDIATE MEETING SO A CHAIR MAY BE APPOINTED.

THESE TWO BOARD MEMBERS WERE RICHARD DIAT AND MR. GARY LOSADA.

I THINK THEY'RE BOTH SOUTHLAKE RESIDENTS.

THEY'RE ALSO JOINED BY A MAJORITY OF TAXING ENTITIES TO NO AVAIL.

YOU CAN CHECK WITH MAYOR PAT JACOB OF LAKESIDE, ON THAT STATEMENT.

SENATOR NELSON'S LETTER NEEDED ADDRESSED IN A TIMELY FASHION BY THE BOARD.

TO THIS DAY, SENATOR NELSON'S LETTER HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE CHAIRMAN APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

SIXTEEN MONTHS HAVE PASSED.

THIS, IN MY OPINION, IS BY DESIGN, AND THIS ARROGANCE IS A PORTION TO THE CHIEF APPRAISER AND A CURRENT CHAIRWOMAN, CATHERINE WILDMAN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL FOR A PUBLIC FORUM? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM, AND WE WILL CALL OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM

[Items 6A - 6C]

TONIGHT.

MOVE ON TO ITEM 6A, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FISCAL YEAR, 2021 SOUTHLAKE CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT.

OPERATING BUDGET AND ADOPTION OF FISCAL YEAR 2022 OPERATING BUDGET AND MULTI-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND SHANA, I BELIEVE WE ARE DOING 6A, 6B AND 6C AT THE SAME TIME, RIGHT? SO WE WILL ALSO CALL ITEM 6B, WHICH IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 1244, FIRST READING TAX LEVY ORDINANCE AND ITEM 6C ORDINANCE NUMBER 1245, FIRST READING, APPROVING AND ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022 AND APPROVING THE REVISED BUDGET FIGURES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 AND MULTI-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.

DIRECTOR JACKSON, GIVE US THE GOOD NEWS.

YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WE WILL BE PRESENTING THE THREE ITEMS IN ONE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING, STARTING WITH 6A FOR THE CRIME CONTROL 6B, ORDINANCE 1244, WHICH IS A TAX LEVY, AND THEN 6C THE ACTUAL ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET.

FIRST, STARTING WITH THE CRIME CONTROL BUDGET, BASED ON STATE STATUTE, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO APPROVE IT SEPARATELY OUTSIDE OF THE OVERALL CITY'S BUDGET, AND THIS IS THE ONE EIGHTH CENT VOTER APPROVED SALES TAX DISTRICT.

ON THE SLIDE, JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE BUDGET, IT IS A CONTINUATION FOR THE 22 PROPOSED BUDGET TO CONTINUE WITH THE FUNDING OF THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, AS WELL AS THE FOR THE COMPENSATION THAT'S INCLUDED FOR CRIME CONTROL, AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES IN THE OVERALL BUDGET.

A TWO AND A HALF PERCENT COLA WITH A ZERO TO TWO PERCENT MERIT, WITH A TOTAL UP TO FOUR AND A HALF PERCENT THAT WILL GET EVERYONE TO THE 60TH PERCENTILE, WHICH IS THE COMPENSATION POLICY THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVES, EXCUSE ME, SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

IT IS ALSO A CONTINUATION OF THE SCHOOL SAFETY INITIATIVES THAT THE CRIME CONTROL PARTNERED WITH.

CARROLL ISD IS A CONTINUATION OF THOSE INITIATIVES, AS WELL AS THE

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FUNDING FOR EQUIPMENT AND OTHER TECHNOLOGY NEEDS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WITH ALL OF THAT, THE ENDING FUND BALANCE WILL BE JUST UNDER FOUR MILLION FOR THE DISTRICT.

NEXT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE OVER TO THE TAX LEVY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022.

OF COURSE, WHENEVER WE DEVELOP THE BUDGET, IT CONSISTS OF NUMEROUS FUNDING SOURCES AND NUMEROUS FUNDS.

BUT AS IT RELATES TO THE PROPERTY TAX, THERE'S TWO FUNDS PRIMARILY THAT MAKES UP THE TAX RATE.

WE BREAK IT DOWN BETWEEN THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH REPRESENTS EIGHTY THREE PERCENT OF THE TAX RATE, AND THEN THE DEBT SERVICE IS THE OTHER 17 PERCENT WHEN YOU BREAK DOWN THE TAX RATE.

AND NOW JUST THE GENERAL FUND PROGRAMS AND SERVICES.

THAT PORTION OF THE TAX RATE IS THE OVERALL THAT FUNDS THE GENERAL SERVICES RELATED TO POLICE, FIRE, THE LIBRARY, JUST COMMUNICATION, THE OVERALL ADMINISTRATION OF THE FACILITIES OF THE CITY.

NEXT TO SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE TAX RATE PROPOSAL, WE ARE PROPOSING A TAX RATE DECREASE, REDUCING THE TAX RATE FROM 405 DOWN TO 39 CENTS.

WE'RE MAINTAINING THE 20 PERCENT HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER EXEMPTIONS THAT WE'VE HAVE HERE AT THE CITY AND CONTINUING WITH THE SENIOR TAX FREEZE THAT THE CITY ADOPTED IN THE EARLY 2000S.

AS THE SLIDE SHOWS HERE, THE TAX RATE REDUCTION IS A REVENUE REDUCTION OF JUST OVER ONE POINT TWO MILLION AS INDICATED ON THE SLIDE, AND THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER WOULD SAVE NINETY SIX DOLLARS ON AN ANNUAL SAVINGS FOR THAT AVERAGE VALUED HOME IN THE CITY.

AND ALSO, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PROPOSED TAX RATE IS BELOW THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE, WHICH ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD COLLECT LESS REVENUE ON THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE HERE IN JANUARY 2020.

ON THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU THAT WITH THE HOMESTEAD, THE 20 PERCENT HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, THAT IS THE EQUIVALENT TAX RATE OF .

312 AND THE AVERAGE ANNUAL TAX BILL IN THE AVERAGE HOME IS JUST OVER $2400.

THIS LAW WOULD GIVE YOU THE HISTORICAL VIEW OF THE TAX RATE AND INCENTIVES THAT WE'VE GIVEN OVER THE YEARS STARTING YOU CAN SEE IN 2018 IS WHEN THE CITY HIT THE 20 PERCENT HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM EXEMPTION ALLOWED BY THE STATE STATUTE AND THEN THE VERY NEXT YEAR, THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED REDUCING THE TAX RATE TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE OF TAX RELIEF FOR OUR RESIDENTS OR FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS IS THE INTERESTING SLIDE THAT GIVES YOU A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON TAXPAYER RELIEF INITIATIVES, WHERE YOU CAN SEE STARTING IN 2013, THE AVERAGE ASSESSED VALUE HAS GROWN OVER THE YEARS TO THE MOST CURRENT YEAR OF 2022, AND OVER THE YEARS IT'S INCREASED FIFTY FIVE PERCENT IN VALUE WITH THE TAXABLE VALUE HAS INCREASED TWENTY EIGHT PERCENT.

BUT AS INDICATED ON THE SLIDE, THEIR PROPERTY TAX CITY SHARE OF THE PROPERTY TAX BILL HAS REMAINED PRETTY CONSISTENT.

IT'S ABOUT AN EIGHT PERCENT INCREASE OVER 10 YEARS, WHICH IS LESS THAN ONE PERCENT ON AVERAGE WHEN YOU LOOK AT A 10 YEAR PERIOD.

SO THIS IS A GREAT VISUAL OF THE TAX RELIEF THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE OVER THE THE LAST DECADE.

AS WELL AS WITH THE OVERALL, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT SEVERAL ATTACKS AND ENTITIES ON THE TAX BILL, BUT THIS GIVES YOU A VIEW THAT ABOUT 14 PERCENT BASED ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATES FROM ALL THE ENTITIES REPRESENTS ABOUT 14 PERCENT OF THAT OVERALL TAX BILL THAT THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESSES WILL RECEIVE IN OCTOBER.

NOW, TO TOUCH ON SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS AS IT RELATES TO THE OVERALL TAX RATE, A PORTION OF IT, WE HAVE OUR M&O OPERATIONS AND STILL CONTINUES TO DEVELOP AND COMPLETE, IMPLEMENT ALL OF THE MASTER PLANS THAT WE HAVE AT THE CITY AS WELL AS WE USE A PART OF THAT M&O TAX RATE TO EIGHTY THREE PERCENT TO REDUCE THE DEBT.

AS YOU CAN SEE, OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE REDUCED OUR DEBT AND AND SINCE 2010, WE'VE TRANSFERRED OVER 50 MILLION OF CASH TO FUND OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHICH IS A DIRECT REFLECTION OF HOW WE'VE BEEN MANAGED OUR DEBT AND REDUCE THE DEBT STRUCTURE OVER THE YEARS.

NOW TO TOUCH ON THE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THE OVERALL DEBT FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING DURING THE WORK SESSION, WE HIT ON THE CAPITAL BUDGET IN PRETTY DETAIL AS WELL AS OUR STRATEGIC INITIATIVES THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.

BUT THIS GIVES YOU A VISUAL THAT OVERALL, IN THE FULL CIP BUDGET, THE LARGEST COMPONENT IS FACILITIES, WHICH IS JUST OVER 50 PERCENT WITH THE NEXT LARGEST INVESTMENT IS

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OUR MOBILITY IN THE ROADS, WHICH IS JUST OVER 18 PERCENT.

SO THE TWO LARGEST AREAS FOR THE PROPOSED CIP IS FACILITIES NEXT AND MAKING MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS.

FOR OUR PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED DEBT, WE WILL BE ISSUING A SMALL PORTION OF DEBT, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE CIP THAT'S PROPOSED WILL BE FUNDED THROUGH CASH FROM A TRANSFER FROM THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVE FUND, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.

ALL THE PROJECTS 100 PERCENT OF THE PROJECTS ARE LINKED TO THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED MASTER PLANS 2030 AND 2035 MASTER PLANS ARE ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE LINKED TO THOSE IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE MASTER PLANS.

AND DUE TO OUR OVERALL DEBT STRATEGY OF REDUCING OUR DEBT STRUCTURE, 100 PERCENT OF THE CITY'S OUTSTANDING PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED DEBT WILL BE PAID OFF IN LESS THAN 10 YEARS.

THIS SLIDE GIVES YOU A VISUAL DEPICTION OF HOW WE'VE WORKED AS OUR DEBT STRATEGY TO REDUCE OUR OVERALL DEBT, AS WELL AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE EARLY 2000S, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE IT FROM THREE PERCENT DOWN TO 0.22% POINT , WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF USING CASH FUNDING, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, OF OVER 50 MILLION IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, AS WELL AS ANY TIME THAT WE ARE ISSUING DEBT IS VERY SHORT AMORTIZATION FOR THE TO COVER THAT DEBT, WHICH GIVES US THE CAPACITY TO CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT THE OVERALL MASTER PLANS WITH THE COMBINATION OF ISSUING DEBT FOR THINGS IN THE FUTURE TO MEET ALL OF THE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

THERE'S VARIOUS WAYS TO GET INFORMATION AND TO DIG INTO THE BUDGET.

WE HAVE THE BUDGET LOCATED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, AS WELL AS A HARD COPY IN THE PUBLIC LIBRARY.

AND THEN AS WELL AS WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, THIS THE ONE THIS EVENING, AND THEN IN TWO WEEKS, WE'LL HAVE OUR SECOND READING OF THE BUDGET.

SO THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY TO DIG INTO THE BUDGET.

DIRECTOR JACKSON, CAN I INTERRUPT YOU REAL QUICK? SURE.

WILL YOU GO BACK TO THE DEBT SIDE, PLEASE.

THIS ONE? YES, SO CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS? YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

YOU'RE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN KEEPING OUR FINANCIAL STRATEGY ON TRACK AND GOTTEN US AAA BOND RATINGS AND WONDERFUL SURPLUSES WITH WHICH WE CAN GIVE TAX CUTS TO THE RESIDENTS.

GIVE ME YOUR, GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS AS TO HOW DEBT FIGURES INTO OUR OVERALL FINANCIAL STRATEGY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PAYING OFF PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED DEBT.

AT SOME LEVEL DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO TAKE ON MORE DEBT? I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE OVERLYING PRINCIPLES THERE, BUT GIVING YOUR JUST REFRESH US AS TO HOW YOU VIEW DEBT AS A PART OF YOUR FINANCIAL STRATEGY.

MANAGE DEBT IS A GOOD THING SO THAT WE'RE NOT OVERLEVERAGED, BUT A CITY WILL, SHOULD, WILL HAVE A LEVEL OF DEBT.

DEBT IS NOT A BAD THING, BUT AS LONG AS IT'S MANAGED SO THAT YOU CAN MAINTAIN AND MEET THE FUTURE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE THAT CAPACITY AND STAY WITHIN EXISTING OR STAY WITHIN YOUR LIVING WITHIN YOUR MEANS SO THAT YOU CAN MEET ALL THE FUTURE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE A LEVEL OF DEBT AND A DEBT TAX RATE PORTION SO THAT YOUR LEVERAGE AND SET YOURSELF IN A GREAT FINANCIAL POSITION TO MEET ALL THE NEEDS IN THE FUTURE.

WHAT IS THE BREAKDOWN RIGHT NOW OF OUR M&O TAX RATE VERSUS OUR DEBT SERVICE? 17 PERCENT OF THE PROPOSED TAX RATE, 17 PERCENT FOR DEBT, WHICH IS .

065, AND THEN EIGHTY THREE PERCENT OF THE PROPOSED WILL GO FOR THE M&O WHICH IS .

325.

SO IF THEORETICALLY, SOUTHLAKE PAID OFF ALL OF ITS ITS DEBT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT DEBT SERVICE PART OF OUR TAX RATE? THE DEBT PORTION OF THE TAX RATE WOULD GO AWAY.

HOWEVER, AS A GROWING COMMUNITY OR TIME TO REDO OUR MOBILITY AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND INCREASE YOUR TAX RATE TO BRING BACK THAT PORTION OF YOUR DEBT SO THAT YOU CAN MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO, IT'S THE ONGOING INVESTMENT OF REPLACING YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN WITH WAS THE SB TWO, SB FOUR, SB TWO, SO SB TWO, WE ONLY HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT YOU CAN ASK.

ANY CITY HAS A LIMITED AMOUNT THE THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, THREE AND A HALF PERCENT BEFORE YOU GO BACK TO, REQUIRED TO GO TO THE VOTERS.

RIGHT, SO IF WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO REISSUE DEBT TO GET THAT TAX RATE BACK, YOU'D BE IN A YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION.

IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? YES, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CALL A SPECIAL ELECTION AS EARLY AS JULY TO GO TO THE VOTERS TO GET AUTHORIZATION, TO ISSUE DEBT FOR THE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING SOME LEVEL OF MANAGE DEBT ON THE BOOKS AS A CFO.

ABSOLUTELY, IT SETS YOU UP FOR THE FUTURE.

PERFECT, OK, THANKS.

CAN I CAN I ADD ON A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS, AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

WE HAVE KIND OF A COMP SET THAT WE COMPARE OURSELVES TO AS IT RELATES TO OTHER NORTHEAST TARRANT COUNTY COMMUNITIES AS IT RELATES TO OUR DEBT SERVICE AT 17 PERCENT.

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HOW DOES THAT COMPARE ON A RELATIVE SCALE TO OUR COMP SET IN GENERAL.

THAT'S LOW, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR A CITY TO HAVE A 30 OR 40 PERCENT ALLOCATION OF THEIR TAX RATE TO DEBT, SO 30 TO 40 PERCENT OF THEIR OVERALL TAX RATE GOES TO DEBT SERVICE.

YES, THERE'S BEEN TIMES THAT SOUTHLAKE YEARS AGO, 40 PERCENT OF THE TAX RATE MAYBE WAS FOR DEBT.

WOW, OK, BY WAY OF CONTEXT ON THIS SLIDE, PARTICULARLY, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING NEXT.

THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION BOND RATING AGENCIES INTERNATIONAL CITY COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION PUT TOGETHER FINANCIAL TREND FRAMEWORK THAT CITIES COULD USE, AND WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY IDENTIFIED WARNING SIGNS.

IF YOUR CITY IS MOVING IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION OR IF YOU HIT A CERTAIN TRIGGER ON LONG TERM DEBT AS A PERCENT OF ASSESSED VALUE, THE PERCENTAGE THAT THEY IDENTIFIED AS THE TOP RANGE WAS 10 PERCENT.

SO ANYTHING BELOW 10 IS CONSIDERED NORMAL OR UNDER THAT FRAMEWORK, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE FRAMEWORK WE WANTED TO GO WITH, BUT I JUST GIVE YOU THAT BY WAY OF CONTEXT.

YEAH, THANK YOU, THAT WAS REALLY KIND OF DIRECTIONALLY WHERE I WAS GOING TO THE NEXT QUESTION, I MEAN, LESS THAN A QUARTER OF A PERCENT IS OUR ASSESSED VALUE.

OBVIOUSLY, OUR ASSESSED VALUE IS GOING UP EVERY YEAR AND OUR DEBT SERVICE IS GOING DOWN EVERY YEAR.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHY THIS SLIDE LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES.

BUT I WOULD THINK AGAIN, ON A COMPARATIVE LEVEL, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE AT A FRACTION OF ASSESSED VALUE COMPARED TO OUR COMP SETS.

YES ABSOLUTELY, CLOSER PROBABLY I'M GUESSING TO THAT 10 PERCENT RANGE AND MAYBE EVEN SOME NORTH OF 10 PERCENT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT DEBT, IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CHART ON THE TOTAL DEBT.

NUMBERS, THE DOLLARS, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT DOES EBB AND FLOW A LITTLE BIT, BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME ABOUT THIS CHART IS THAT WHEN WE SELL BONDS TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE MIGHT SELL BONDS TO BUILD A FIRE STATION OR A LIBRARY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU WILL HAVE A LITTLE SPIKE, BUT WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS THAT THE WAY SHARON HAS GUIDED US TO MANAGE IT IS WITH SHORT AMORTIZATION SCHEDULES, SO WE VERY QUICKLY RECOVER AND CONTINUE THE DOWNWARD TREND THAT WE SET OUR GOAL TO DO.

SO YES, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE WILL SELL DEBT SO THAT WE DON'T FRONTLOAD ALL THE COSTS ON TODAY'S TAXPAYERS.

BUT THEN BY USING SHORTER AMORTIZATION SCHEDULES OR REFINANCING THE DEBT OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE YOUR GOAL OF MOVING THAT TREND DOWNWARDS.

SO I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY AND STATE THAT WHEN WE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS THINK ABOUT HOW TO HELP OUR STAFF THINK ABOUT MANAGING THE BUDGET, WE CAN'T TREAT IT AS IF IT'S OUR OWN HOME PERSONAL BUDGET.

WE HAVE TO THINK OF IT THROUGH THE EYES OF THE MUNICIPALITY AND HOW TO MANAGE DEBT SERVICE, AS WELL AS ASSESSED VALUE PERCENTAGES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT GIVE US A SENSE OF OUR PERSONAL REPORT CARD, RIGHT? THIS IS HOW WE NEED TO MEASURE, I THINK OURSELVES, AS OPPOSED TO HOW WE THINK ABOUT IT PERSONALLY AS IT RELATES TO OUR OWN PERSONAL DEBT LOADS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND WE WANT TO MANAGE OUR OWN PERSONAL FINANCE.

AND THE LIFE CYCLE OF CITY ALSO BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE NOW THAT WAS BRAND NEW WHEN I CAME TO WORK HERE.

THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING TO THE TIME WHEN WE'RE REPLACING IT OR WE'RE EXPANDING IT.

AND SO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS SOMETHING YOU CAN'T UNDER INVEST IN OR THAT ALSO BECOMES AN ISSUE WITH YOUR FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT.

YOU HAVE TO STAY ON TOP OF YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND I THINK THAT'S A MAJOR PART OF THE SUCCESS STORY THAT YOU AND SHARON AND THE WHOLE FINANCIAL FINANCE TEAM HAVE HAD OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS, CERTAINLY BACK TO 2003.

YOU'VE HAD COUNCILS THAT HAVE ALLOWED YOU TO MANAGE THE CITY'S BUDGET AND THE CITY'S FINANCES AND THE DEBT STRUCTURE, HOW YOU NEED TO DO IT TO DELIVER ON WHAT WE EXPECT AS A COMMUNITY, WHICH IS EXCELLENT, TRANSPARENT FINANCIALS, WONDERFUL SENSE OF FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY OVER TAX DOLLARS AND CONSISTENT TARGETED TAX RELIEF TO OUR RESIDENTS.

SO CERTAINLY THAT'S WHAT I SEE IN THIS BUDGET.

I THINK THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WOULD AGREE, AND CERTAINLY WE WANT TO SEE WHAT WE WILL EXPECT IN THE FUTURE.

SO, I MEAN, APPRECIATE YOU CONTINUING TO DELIVER ON THOSE PROMISES.

YEAH AND AND I WOULD JUST ADD SUPERIOR SERVICES, ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH ARE ALWAYS GOING UP IN COSTS.

YEAH.

YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD [INAUDIBLE] ONTO WHAT OUR CITY MANAGER, SHANA SAID AS IT RELATES TO THIS INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING, IT'S MASSIVELY EXPENSIVE.

IT'S NOT EXCITING.

IT'S NOT A NEW BALLPARK, IT'S NOT A NEW, YOU KNOW, BUILDING TO BE USED.

BUT IF YOU GET BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL ON IT AND YOU GET BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL NOW OR YOU GET BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL SEVEN YEARS AGO, WHEN YOU MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE BAD DECISIONS, THEN YOU GET TO THIS POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, DIRECTOR COHAN NEEDS TO REPAVE ROADWAYS AROUND THE CITY AND THERE'S NO MONEY TO DO IT.

AND THAT'S THE KEY.

AND WE SEE IT IN MUNICIPALITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

WE SEE IT AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL WHERE WE'RE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL AND YOU NEVER

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CATCH UP.

YOU CAN'T CATCH UP AT THAT POINT.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING AND SPECIFICALLY DIRECTOR JACKSON IS FANTASTIC.

AND I THINK DIRECTOR COHAN WOULD TELL YOU THAT THERE IS A LIVE CYCLE OF INFRASTRUCTURE WHEREBY YOU CAN REPAIR IT SUCCESSFULLY AT A POINT.

BUT IF YOU LET IT GO TOO LONG, THEN YOU'RE IN A POSITION OF HAVING TO COMPLETELY RECONSTRUCT AT A MUCH HIGHER COST, CUTTING AN OPPORTUNITY THERE.

YEAH, RIGHT.

OK, GOOD THOUGHTS.

PLEASE CONTINUE, DIRECTOR JACKSON, THANK YOU.

SO JUST TO RECAP, THE THREE ACTION ITEMS THAT'S ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL FOR THE CRIME CONTROL PROPOSED BUDGET FOR TWENTY TWO AND THE AMENDED NUMBERS FOR TWENTY ONE, AS WELL AS THE TAX LEVY AND THE ADOPTION OF FIRST READING OF THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR TWENTY TWO AND THE AMENDED NUMBERS FOR TWENTY ONE.

DIRECTOR JACKSON, I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION AND IT'S GOING TO PROMPT A DISCUSSION AMONG COUNCIL.

SO RIGHT NOW, WE'VE TALKED A LOT IN THE PAST ABOUT PEGGING SALARIES FOR CITY EMPLOYEES AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, AND HISTORICALLY THAT'S BEEN 60 PERCENT CORRECT IN THIS BUDGET AND CONTINUES TO BE 60 PERCENT.

YES.

SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE ALL GOTTEN IS THAT SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR DPS EMPLOYEES, OUR CHIEFS ARE HAVING SOME TROUBLE ATTRACTING AND MAINTAINING TOP TALENT BECAUSE WE'RE LAGGING BEHIND THE MARKET.

IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN AS WELL? YES.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT UP FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.

IT'S MY THOUGHT THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND THE REST OF DPS, IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS HYPERCOMPETITIVE LABOR MARKET THAT WE FULLY FUND THE REQUESTS THAT OUR CHIEFS ARE GIVING US.

AND I WOULD I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY TO CONSIDER RAMPING UP FROM 60 TO 80.

MAYBE, SHAREN, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUDGET IMPACTS OF DOING THAT? TO DO THAT, THAT'S TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS INCREASE TO GO FROM THE 60TH TO THE 80TH PERCENTILE.

AND RIGHT NOW IN THE GENERAL FUND, THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS TWO POINT FOUR PERCENT INCREASE.

AND WITH THAT CHANGE, YOU WOULD TAKE IT TO A THREE POINT TWO PERCENT INCREASE COMPARED TO THE PRIOR YEAR.

THAT'S VERY FAST MATH, ALMOST AS IF YOU HAD FIGURED THAT OUT BEFORE THIS MEETING.

TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX THOUSAND.

YES.

IT'S MY OPINION THAT'S WORTH IT.

I WOULD OPEN UP FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION, THOUGH.

ABSOLUTELY, ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS I GET INTO ALL THE TIME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW GREAT OUR POLICE, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS ARE AS PEOPLE ARE AMAZED THAT WHEN THEY DO KNOW THE NUMBERS THAT THEY AREN'T GETTING PAID MORE, I THINK THEY DESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN PAY THEM.

SO I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IN THAT.

I AGREE AS WELL.

I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THE TOP TALENT HERE IN TOWN.

WE CAN'T LOSE THEM TO OUTSIDE AGENCIES BECAUSE THEY SEEK JUST TO MAKE MORE MONEY AND WE CAN'T DO THAT.

SO I WOULD BE IN FULL SUPPORT OF MOVING IT UP TO 80 PERCENT.

I AS WELL.

YEAH, I AGREE THERE'S A LOT OF UPFRONT COSTS TRAINING THESE FOLKS TOO, AND THOSE ARE ALL SUNK COSTS AND THEN YOU LOSE SOMEBODY 12 MONTHS IN NOT ONLY ARE YOU SHORT STAFF, BUT THEN YOU'VE TRAINED THEM FOR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.

NOW I DO THINK FROM A, YOU KNOW, FROM A FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY STANDPOINT, WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR.

IT'S NOT A ONE TIME, 246; IT'S A 246 COMPOUNDED ANNUALLY FOREVER.

I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT JUST VOTING ON ANY NUMBER, IT'S A NUMBER THAT'S LONG TERM.

BUT I SUPPORT IT.

100 PERCENT AGREE, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE AS COMPETITIVE AS WE CAN IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE FOLKS.

YEAH, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH WHAT EVERYONE SAID.

I THINK FROM AN ESSENTIAL SERVICES PERSPECTIVE, WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AN EMPLOYER OF CHOICE.

AND I THINK AT TIMES, TO COUNCILMAN WILLIAMSON'S PERSPECTIVE IS WE'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF TRAINING OUR FOLKS AND HAVING THEM BE THE BEST OUT THERE AND THEN THEY GET RECRUITED AWAY.

AND IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR.

IT AFFECTS US ON SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS.

WE SET THE STANDARD HERE IN SOUTHLAKE FOR EXCELLENCE AS IT RELATES TO RESPONSE TIMES, SURVIVAL RATES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE AS A COMMUNITY KIND OF TAKE FOR GRANTED HOW GREAT OUR ESSENTIAL SERVICES TEAM ARE.

AND I THINK THAT BEING AT 80 PERCENT IS CANDIDLY THE MINIMUM WE CAN DO UP HERE FOR THEM, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING AND THEY NEED, I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT OF IT AND I'LL JUST TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER AND SUGGEST THAT I THINK WE AS A CITY ARE ON THE FRONT END OF A POTENTIAL CRISIS AS IT RELATES TO KEEPING ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES.

CANDIDLY, WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT CAN'T OPEN STAY OPEN DURING THEIR NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T STAFF WITH THEIR EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO PAY THEM ENOUGH.

AND I THINK WE HERE IN THE CITY, WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A VERY FISCALLY SOUND BUDGET AND THE ABILITY TO RECONSIDER WHERE WE CURRENTLY STAND AS IT

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RELATES TO OUR CURRENT TARGETS.

WHAT I'VE FOUND FOR THE LAST FIVE AND A HALF YEARS BEING ON THE CITY COUNCIL IS THAT OUR TARGET HAS ALWAYS BEEN 60 PERCENT AND WE'RE ALWAYS PLAYING CATCH UP WHERE EVERY YEAR IT SEEMS LIKE WE GET OUR EMPLOYEES TO THAT 60 PERCENT LEVEL.

AND WITHIN A YEAR OR TWO, WE DROP BACK DOWN AND WE'RE CHASING OUR TAIL AGAIN AND WE SEE THE EFFECTS.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER AND ASK OUR STAFF TO CONSIDER BEING ON THE FRONT END OF THIS.

AND MAYBE WE REEVALUATE IF 60 PERCENT IS THE TARGET WHERE WE WANT TO BE.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S ESSENTIAL SERVICES, RIGHT? OUR DPS EMS SERVICES TO GET TO 80.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO EVALUATE COLLECTIVELY ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE EXPECTATIONS WE SET ON THEM TO BE AT THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE STANDARD ARE ALSO MET AND COMMENSURATE TO HOW WE PAY THEM AND PROVIDE THEM BENEFITS AND SERVICES.

YEAH, I'LL ADD TO THAT, TOO.

WHEN I WAS MEETING WITH DIRECTOR BLACK DIRECTOR JACKSON AND SHANA.

ONE THING THAT I ASKED THEM AND CHALLENGE THEM TO WAS ALSO, AND THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THAT IS TO LOOK FOR CREATIVE WAYS TO RETAIN THESE EMPLOYEES.

SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE TALKING DPS RIGHT NOW, BUT CREATIVE WAYS.

RETENTION TYPE THINGS.

RETENTION BONUSES, STEPS ALONG THE WAY.

I KNOW WE DO SOME THINGS ALREADY LIKE THAT, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE JUST TO CONTINUE TO GET CREATIVE SO THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT TRYING TO PLAY CATCH UP, BUT THAT THERE'S SOME CREATIVE THINGS THAT EXCITE THE EMPLOYEES, EXCITE OUR OFFICERS AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO SAY, WELL, AT THREE YEARS, THERE'S THIS AT FIVE YEARS, THIS AND THEY'RE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT FOLKS SAY I NEED TO BE A PART OF THAT AND I WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT.

SO WE NEED TO ATTACK IT FROM EVERY ANGLE VERSUS JUST THE SALARY SIDE.

YEAH, I AGREE.

I COMMEND DIRECTOR BLACK FOR WORKING ON OUR BENEFITS, BEING ABLE TO SPEAKERS] HEALTH CARE BENEFITS THIS YEAR AND NOT CREATE ANY INCREASE.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A TRANSITION IN OUR PROVIDER, BUT WHAT A FANTASTIC BENEFIT TO OUR TO OUR EMPLOYEES, FOR SURE.

AND THE OTHER REALLY COOL THING THAT OUR CITY DOES AND I DON'T KNOW IN MY TALKS WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, SHANA, THAT'S REALLY PRETTY COOL.

THEY UTILIZE A SURVEY THAT GOES OUT TO ALL THE EMPLOYEES AND THEY MEASURE, I THINK IT'S 10 AREAS.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND IT'S THE GALLUP SURVEY AND 12 AREAS, OK, 12 AREAS AND EVERYTHING FROM DO YOU HAVE A BEST FRIEND AT WORK AND THINGS THAT REALLY JUDGE WHAT IT TAKES TO KEEP PEOPLE HAPPY IN THEIR POSITION.

SO I DO AGREE THAT IT IS ALWAYS MORE THAN JUST THE MONEY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WE WANT OUR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET RAISES AND FEED THEIR FAMILIES AND JOY AND LOVE WORKING HERE AND GET PAID FOR IT TOO.

SO.

YEAH, WELL, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, THE CITY IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION.

YOU KNOW, IT'LL RISE AND FALL WITH ITS PEOPLE, AND WE GOT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO CONTINUE TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN THE BEST.

OK, IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH DIRECTION FOR YOU SHAREN? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

DOES THAT NEED TO GET WORKED INTO A MOTION OR IS THAT? YES, SIR.

OK, SO WE NEED TO DO THAT IN 6A OR WHICH ONE DOES THAT? I WOULD INCLUDE IT AS PART OF 6C, ADOPTING THE BUDGET.

OK, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR JACKSON.

IS THAT IT FOR PRESENTATIONS OR ARE WE READY TO? OK, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE SPENT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON THE BUDGET TO THIS POINT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE.

WE ALSO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THIS.

OF COURSE.

OF COURSE.

OK.

[INAUDIBLE] ALL AT ONCE, THOUGH, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ALL OF THEM.

MAYOR, IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT SHAREN JACKSON IS INCREDIBLE.

AND EVERY TIME I LOOK AT THESE CHARTS AND WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED, IT'S BEEN DONE DURING HER TENURE AS CFO.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK HER PUBLICLY FOR ALL HER WORK.

IT'S BEEN INCREDIBLE AND IT'S TAKEN US TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

AND IT DOES NOT GO UNNOTICED.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, DIRECTOR JACKSON.

OK, SO ITEM 6A AND 6B AND 6C ARE ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

NO, NO DISCUSSION.

YOU CAN TELL US HOW AWESOME WE ARE FOR CUTTING TAXES.

[CHUCKLING] IT'S A JOKE, BUT YOU CAN.

OK, WELL, THAT WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL TAKE A MOTION FIRST ON ITEM 6A.

OK, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 6A OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS THE APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FISCAL YEAR 2021 SOUTHLAKE CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT.

OPERATING BUDGET AND ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 OPERATING BUDGET AND MULTI-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

[INAUDIBLE] MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

ITEM 6A PASSES, SEVEN ZERO.

IS THERE A MOTION ON ITEM 6B? YES, MAYOR COUNCIL, I MOVE.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 6B, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 1244, WHICH IS THE FIRST READING TAX LEVY ORDINANCE.

WE HAVE MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

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AND ITEM 6A PASSES SEVEN ZERO, AND DO WE HAVE MOTION ON ITEM 6C? YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 6C OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 1245, WHICH IS THE FIRST READING, APPROVING AND ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022 IN APPROVING THE REVISED BUDGET FIGURES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 AND MULTI-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, NOTING THAT WE WILL INCREASE THE TARGET COMPENSATION FOR EMS DPS FROM ITS CURRENT 60 PERCENT TO 80 PERCENT.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

AND ITEM NUMBER 6C PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS, DIRECTOR JACKSON.

THANK YOU, SHANA.

GREAT JOB.

[6D. ZA21-0017, Site Plan for Central Market Generators on property described as Lot 3R, Block 1, Shops of Southlake, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 1425 E. Southlake Blvd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING]

WITH THAT, WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6D ZA21-0017 SITE PLAN FOR CENTRAL MARKET GENERATORS ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS A LOT 3R BLOCK ONE SHOPS OF SOUTHLAKE.

DIRECTOR BAKER MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO PROVIDE THREE GENERATORS BEHIND A 15 FOOT WALL AT THE CENTRAL MARKET STORE.

THE PURPOSE OF THE GENERATORS IS TO PROVIDE NOT ONLY BACKUP AND EMERGENCY POWER TO THE STORE WHEN THE POWER GRID IS EXPERIENCING AN OUTAGE, BUT ALSO THE GENERATOR GENERATORS BE UTILIZED WHEN THE POWER GRID IS EXPERIENCING HIGH DEMAND.

CENTRAL MARKET HAS INDICATED THAT THE GENERATORS WILL BE MONITORED BY A THIRD PARTY COMPANY WHO CONTROLLED TURNING ON AND OFF THE GENERATORS.

THE GENERATORS ARE NATURAL GAS TYPE GENERATORS.

PROPERTY LOCATION ON THE SLIDE.

THE LAND USE TOWN CENTER.

THE ZONING SP2.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY SHOWING THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE THREE GENERATORS ON THE BACK PART OF THE CENTRAL MARKET GROCERY STORE.

THIS IS A VIEW WHICH SHOWS THE BACK OF THE STORE SHOWS THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, THE SERVICE DRIVE AND THEN THE LARGE BUFFER AREA TREE AREA THAT'S BEEN PLANTED BEHIND CENTRAL MARKET AND SHOPS OF SOUTHLAKE IS PART OF THE OVERALL ZONING.

A COUPLE OF LANDSCAPE SLIDES OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OUT THERE.

THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING BACK TOWARD THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

IT ALSO INCLUDES THE WALL THAT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT FEET UP TO ABOUT 14 FEET ACROSS THE SOUTH BOUNDARY OF THE SHOPS OF SOUTHLAKE.

I THINK EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THE WALL MATERIAL.

THIS IS AT THE [INAUDIBLE], AND THIS IS A PHOTO TAKEN IN FEBRUARY, SO YOU CAN SEE THE HEIGHT OF THE EVERGREENS ALONG THE EXISTING FENCE IN TERMS OF THE DISTANCE OF THE LOCATION OF GENERATORS TO THE PROPERTY LINE OR TO THE FENCE ABOUT A LITTLE LESS THAN 130 FEET IS MEASURED BY STAFF.

THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED GENERATORS.

THEY WILL BE JUST TO THE EAST OF THE STORAGE AREA VIA THE SERVICE DRIVE.

THIS IS AN EXISTING GENERATOR AT THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED AT THE CENTRAL MARKET IN PLANO, A SIMILAR TYPE SYSTEM IS PROPOSED FOR THE STORE IN SOUTHLAKE.

AT THE P&Z MEETING THIS WAS APPROVED.

THE P&Z DID ASK THAT THE APPLICANT [INAUDIBLE] MAKE AND MANUFACTURE THE GENERATORS, PROVIDE A BETTER DEFINITION OF STANDBY VERSUS BACKUP, AND INCLUDE TO COUNCIL EXACTLY HOW AND WHEN THE GENERATORS WOULD BE TURNED ON OR TURN OFF.

AND IN THE EVENT THE GENERATORS NEED TO KICK ON THAT, THEY WILL PROP FUNCTION PROPERLY.

THE APPLICANT, I WON'T READ THIS, BUT IN YOUR PACKET THERE IS A RESPONSE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE, NUMBER ONE THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE NAME OF THE GENERATOR.

THE TWO PROVIDES THE DEFINITION OF STANDBY VERSUS BACKUP GENERATORS AND THEN THREE, THE GENERATORS WILL PROVIDE BACKUP EMERGENCY POWER TO OUR END USERS.

WHEN THE POWER GRID IS EXPERIENCING AN OUTAGE AND THE POWER GRID IS AVAILABLE.

GENERATORS PROVIDE SUPPORT DURING HIGH NEEDS OR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, AND THEY ESTIMATE BETWEEN TWO PERCENT AND FIVE PERCENT OF THE HOURS IN THE WITHIN A YEAR THE GENERATORS WOULD BE ON.

THIS IS A SITE PLAN WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET PROVIDES THE DETAILS IF NEEDED.

THESE ARE SOME RENDERINGS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SHOWING THE 15 FOOT TWO INCH SCREEN WALL.

WHICH WILL SERVE AS A SOUND BARRIER.

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COUPLE OTHER VIEWS.

THIS IS THE DETAILS, IT WILL BE A CMU TYPE WALL WITH A PLASTER FINISH TO MATCH THE CENTRAL MARKET FACADE.

THERE IS A REPORT NOISE STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED.

OUR NOISE ORDINANCE, IT IS A PRIMA FACIA, MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE NOISE LEVELS OF 60 DBA AT DAYTIME AND 55 AT NIGHT.

THE STUDY INDICATES THAT NO WALL THEY'D BE OPERATING AT ESTIMATED 62 DBA AT THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THE WALL NOISE LEVEL AT THE RESIDENTIAL LINE IS 50.

50 IS DESCRIBED AS A QUIET OFFICE SOMEWHERE IN THIS GENERAL AREA TO JUST GIVE YOU A POINT OF REFERENCE.

AGAIN, THE P&Z RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 5-0.

THEY PROVIDED THE REQUEST GOING FORWARD TO COUNCIL, WHICH THE APPLICANT ADDRESSED.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR BAKER AT THIS TIME? OK, THANK YOU, SIR.

I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME IN A BIT.

I'D LIKE TO CALL THE APPLICANT DOWN FOR PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING, SIR, IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

MY NAME IS JOHN ROSE, 4135 CALCULUS DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

WE'RE REQUESTING A SITE PLAN MODIFICATION TO ALLOW INSTALLATION OF EQUIPMENT.

THE EQUIPMENT IS TO BE SCREENED WITH MASONRY WALL, AS WAS POINTED OUT, AND WANT ENSURE THE EQUIPMENT MEETS AND OUTPERFORMS THE NOISE REQUIREMENTS [INAUDIBLE] TO THE CITY'S LEADERSHIP.

WE'RE NOT SEEKING ANY VARIANCES.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT ONCE THE SYSTEM'S INSTALLED WE WILL CONTINUE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

WE ALL KNOW THAT HAPPENED LAST FEBRUARY.

IT'S IRONIC THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PREPAREDNESS BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED LAST FEBRUARY.

WE'VE EXPERIENCED AND WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED ROLLING BLACKOUTS.

IN FEBRUARY, OUR METROPLEX CENTRAL MARKET STORES BECAME A COMMUNITY CENTER DURING SNOVID, WHERE CUSTOMERS WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE GROCERIES.

WE WEREN'T THE ONLY ONES THAT HAD TO THROW OUT A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF GROCERIES IN OUR STORE.

APPARENTLY, A LOT OF FOLKS HAD TO AS WELL.

THEY WERE ABLE TO GET A HOT MEAL.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET COFFEE, CHARGE THEIR PHONES OR JUST GET WARM.

IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT OUR PARTNERS, WE CALL OUR EMPLOYEES PARTNERS, WERE ALSO ABLE TO GET THOSE BENEFITS.

WE WEREN'T ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS COMMUNITY.

IT WAS THE ONLY CENTRAL MARKET THAT DID NOT HAVE A GENERATOR.

OUR CUSTOMERS COUNT ON US TO BE THE FIRST TO OPEN, THE LAST CLOSE, AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT HERE.

IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO TELL US WHAT CONCERNS ARE THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS.

WITH OVER 300 STORES OPERATING WITH THIS GENERATOR SYSTEM, WE'VE ONLY RECEIVED POSITIVE FEEDBACK.

THIS HAS BEEN SUCH A GOOD IDEA THAT THE LEGISLATURE ADOPTED SENATE BILL 398 REQUIRING THAT THESE SYSTEMS BE ALLOWED TO BE INSTALLED REGARDLESS OF THE ELECTRICAL PROVIDER.

SO I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.

CERTAINLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I'M CURIOUS WHO DECIDES WHEN IT GOES ON AND OFF.

I KNOW YOU SAID A THIRD PARTY, BUT IS IT--IT LITERALLY IS A DEMAND ON THE GRID AND WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY THAT ACTUALLY MONITORS THE GRID AND WHAT WE GET IS WE GET FIRST DEMAND FOR ANY POWER AT ALL ON OUR FACILITY.

BUT WHENEVER THAT GRID GETS TAXED, WE GO OFF THE GRID AND WE CAN GO ONTO THE GENERATORS.

SO WHEN THESE COME ON, YOU GO OFF THE GRID TOTALLY? EITHER WE'RE ON OR OFF THE GRID.

EITHER WAY, NOT HALFWAY.

SO HAVE A QUESTION HERE, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED THIS AS I WAS READING THROUGH THIS CASE, BUT YOU MENTIONED 300 CENTRAL MARKETS AND THIS IS THE ONLY ONE WITHOUT A GENERATOR.

WE HAVE SEVERAL STORES.

WE HAVE THREE HUNDRED STORES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE SYSTEM IN.

THIS IS THE ONLY CENTRAL MARKET THAT DOESN'T HAVE ONE.

OK.

HAVE YOU REQUESTED ONE BEFORE? THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE REQUESTED ONE.

OK.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

WE WERE WORKING ON IT BEFORE COVID.

BUT WE DIDN'T GET IT IN BEFORE SNOVID.

OK, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IS COVID HAS CHANGED THINGS.

OUR FOLKS ARE NOW FRONTLINE WORKERS AND OUR SERVICES ARE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE DESPERATELY NEEDED DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME.

SO WE WANT TO BE THERE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

WE WANT TO BE THERE REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS, WHETHER THERE'S TORNADOES OR SNOWSTORMS OR JUST POWER OUTAGES.

AND [INAUDIBLE].

SORRY, JUST WASHED MY MOUTH; CAN'T DO A THING WITH IT.

THIS ENABLES US TO DO THAT.

GOOD.

THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY IN THE PACKET FROM P&Z, THEY WANTED TO HAVE AN

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UNDERSTANDING ABOUT HOW THE SYSTEM WOULD BE TESTED.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM DISCUSSION AND READING THROUGH IS THAT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE TESTED BECAUSE IT WILL BE COMING ON RELATIVE TO THE GRID.

AND YEAH, AND THERE'S ENOUGH ELECTRONICS THAT THEY CAN MONITOR, SEE WHAT THEY'VE GOT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

OK.

GREAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, SIR.

WE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? THERE WERE TWO NEIGHBORS THAT FILED OBJECTIONS? IS THAT RIGHT? I WAS TRYING TO FIND THOSE.

YES, WE GOT TWO NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE RECORDED OPPOSITION, WON'T BE SPEAKING BUT THEY RECORD OPPOSITION.

I THINK DIRECTOR BAKER, MAYBE YOU CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE OPPOSITION.

I KNOW AT P&Z SEEMED TO FOCUS ON THE NOISE.

YES, SIR.

THIS IS THE OPPOSITION MAP ON THE OWNER'S RESPONSE.

COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU RECEIVED AN UPDATE EMAIL FROM ONE OF THE RESPONDENTS TODAY AND DETAILED ON THEIR OPPOSITION, BUT DEALT PRIMARILY WITH THE NOISE AND THE OPERATION OF THE GENERATOR.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE SCREENING WALL, THE 18 FOOT SCREENING WALL, THE NORTH END OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL 15 FOOT SCREENING WALL AROUND THE GENERATORS.

THERE'LL BE A 15 FOOT TWO INCH WALL AROUND THE GENERATORS, WHICH, ACCORDING TO THE NOISE STUDY, WILL REDUCE THE DBA AT THE PROPERTY LINE TO 50 DBA.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE WALL, THERE'S A WALL THAT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM 8 TO ABOUT 13 TO 15 FEET ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, DEPENDING ON THE TOPOGRAPHY.

SO MAYBE ONE APPROACH WOULD BE TO REQUEST SOME KIND OF ENGINEERING STUDY AFTER THE GENERATORS ARE ON TO CONFIRM THE DECIBEL LEVEL AT THE PROPERTY LINE THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE P&Z AND IS INCLUDED AS PART OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

YES, SIR, WE COULD REQUIRE THAT AN ACOUSTIC ENGINEER OR A SIMILAR TYPE PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT, A STUDY WITH THE GENERATORS RUNNING ALL THREE RUNNING 100 PERCENT PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY'RE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SOUND ORDINANCE.

WAS THE APPLICANT AMENABLE TO THAT? MR. APPLICANT, COULD YOU COME DOWN HERE FOR ONE MINUTE? DID YOU HEAR THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT AN ACOUSTIC ENGINEER? ARE YOU GUYS AMENABLE TO THAT, I ASSUME? AS I SAID, WE HAVE TO MEET THAT ORDINANCE WHEN WE'RE OPERATING.

SO WE CERTAINLY ARE.

YEAH, WE'RE AMENABLE TO IT.

I MEAN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WELL, GOOD NEIGHBORS, NO MATTER WHAT.

NOT JUST THAT.

OF COURSE, OF COURSE.

SO IF FOR SOME REASON THE DECIBEL LEVELS ARE NOT ATTENUATED APPROPRIATELY WITH THAT WALL? WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE ACCORDINGLY.

OK, BUT LET ME STRESS SOMETHING IS RIGHT NOW I'M SPEAKING ABOVE 50DB RIGHT NOW.

I'M PROBABLY CLOSER TO ABOUT 60DB WITH MY CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL.

SO IT'S NOT A VERY LOUD LEVEL.

SO ALSO JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE INTENT IS THAT THIS WOULD RUN FOR A FEW HOURS ON HOT DAYS, CORRECT? IT COULD.

YES, SIR.

OK, SO IS YOUR IS YOUR BIGGEST PRIORITY THAT OR IS IT WHEN WE HAVE A TRUE POWER OUTAGE THAT YOU DON'T LOSE ALL OF YOUR INVENTORY? IT'S BOTH, BUT WHICH WOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT? WELL, DEFINITELY.

WE DON'T WANT TO GO OFFLINE AND NOT BE ABLE OPEN THE DOORS.

THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT'S--YEAH, THAT'S NO QUESTION.

YEAH.

I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY IMAGINE THAT IF WE GO OFFLINE FOR FOUR OR FIVE HOURS, ANYTHING THAT'S IN A FROZEN FOODS GETTING THROWN AWAY.

WELL, WE SAW THAT AT ALL THE STORES.

EVERYBODY WENT THROUGH THAT AND A LOT OF HOMES WENT THROUGH THAT EXACT SAME SITUATION.

OK, THANK YOU.

GREAT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND JUST A PIECE OF REFERENCE.

WE EMPLOYED SAUNDERS AS OUR ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER AND THEY'RE THE ACOUSTIC ENGINEER THAT THE CITY OF PLANO UTILIZED FOR WRITING THEIR ORDINANCE.

THAT WOULD BE WHO WE WOULD USE TO DO THE TESTING AS WELL.

OK, SOUNDS GOOD.

WELL, COUNCIL, I MEAN, MY OPINION IS GENERATORS ARE KIND OF A NECESSARY PART OF LIFE WITH THESE GROCERY STORES.

WE'RE IN NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH.

[CHUCKLING] I CAN'T IMAGINE A SITUATION IN WHICH I'D OPPOSE A GENERATOR.

INSTALLATION AND GENERATORS MAKE NOISE.

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

MY THOUGHT IS THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING REASONABLE STEPS TO SCREEN THE NOISE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS, BUT I'D ASK FOR DISCUSSION AND COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO SPEAK BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS TOO, IF THEY'RE--SUR, YEAH.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS LINED UP, BUT I'LL OPEN IT UP IN A SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE, I'LL JUST ADD, SIMILARLY, I MEAN, I FEEL THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE SEEING THIS APPLICATION FROM EVERY GROCERY STORE IN TOWN, I

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WOULD THINK, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY LEADERSHIP AT KROGER AND TOM THUMB AREN'T PROPOSING THE SAME THING TO US.

I COULD REALLY CARE LESS IF THEY'RE ON THE GRID OR OFF THE GRID DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS.

BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE HAD CONCERNS THIS SUMMER THAT WE COULD SEE SOME ROLLING POWER OUTAGES AS A RESULT.

YEAH.

AND SO THE NEED FOR BACKUP GENERATION AT A GROCERY STORE JUST SEEMS LIKE COMMON SENSE LOGIC, I CERTAINLY AM SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS CONCERNS FOR SOUND ATTENUATION, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO REMEDIATE THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AS A SOURCE OF PRIMARY POWER, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S REALLY HOT OR WHAT HAVE YOU, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL, BUT AS A SOURCE OF BACKUP POWER, I SEE IT AS A CENTRAL PART OF THE SERVICE THAT THEY OFFER OUR COMMUNITY.

YEAH, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, EXPLORE SOMETHING KIND OF IN BETWEEN, WHICH WOULD BE BECAUSE I AGREE.

I THINK THE GENERATOR MAKES PERFECT SENSE, ESPECIALLY AFTER WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN.

BUT PERHAPS WE CONSIDER AN APPROVAL FOR IF WE VOTE THAT WAY FOR A GENERATOR, FOR WHEN POWER IS OUT, WHEN IT'S TRULY OUT, WHETHER THAT'S SUMMER, WHEN THE GRID GOES DOWN, IF IT GOES DOWN OR WINTER SNOWMAGEDDON WHATEVER, AND THEN JUST SIMPLY SEE IT IN ACTION OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, HEAR IT IN ACTION.

AND THEN IF IT'S GREAT AND IT'S LOW, AS THE APPLICANT IS SAYING, AND IT'S REALLY A REASONABLE SOUND, THEN THEY JUST COME BACK IN HERE AND WE APPROVE IT FOR THE USE THAT THEY WANT OF A FEW HOURS EVERY DAY.

THE FEW HOURS EVERY DAY, I GET SOME CONCERN THERE.

UNTIL I HEAR IT MYSELF BECAUSE WE'VE ALL DONE THESE DECIBEL THINGS WHERE PEOPLE COME IN AND SAY, HERE'S THE DECIBELS.

I'D LOVE TO HEAR IT BEFORE I APPROVED SEVERAL HOURS EVERY AFTERNOON THROUGH THE SUMMER MONTHS WITH IT ON, AND THAT MEETS THEIR NEEDS FOR, YOU KNOW, NOT A CATASTROPHIC LOSS, AND IT SHOULD NOT TAKE LONG TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.

I GUESS MY QUESTION THERE IS, THOUGH WHY WOULD THEY RUN IT IF THEY DIDN'T NEED IT? I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

THEY RUN IT =ABOUT THREE HOURS IN THE HOT MONTHS, AS HE SAID, BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THERE'S SOME COST REDUCTION THERE OR EASE UP ON THE POWER GRID; THERE'S SOME REASON.

YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RUN UNLESS THEY NEED IT FOR SOME REASON.

SO MY ISSUES WERE THE COVERING AND THE NOISE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S BEEN ATTENUATED TO USE CHAD'S WORD.

I GUESS I DON'T WANT TO UNNECESSARILY LABOR SADDLE THEM WITH SOMETHING WHEN I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO BE.

WELL, IT'S JUST COMING BACK.

THAT'S ALL IT WOULD BE.

JUST COME BACK OR EVEN STAFF COULD ADMINISTRATIVELY DO IT.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE DIRECTION--STAFF COULD ASSESS IT AND IF THEY'RE WELL BELOW THE DECIBEL ORDINANCE, THEN--BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THESE ARE RUN BY A THIRD PARTY.

AND SO CENTRAL MARKET ITSELF IS NOT IN CHARGE OF TURNING THEM ON AND OFF, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, RELATIVE TO THE GRID.

BUT CAN THEY GIVE DIRECTIONS TO THE THIRD PARTY ON WE'RE ONLY AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, NOT WHEN THERE'S A TAXING ON THE HOT SUMMER DAYS OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW WHO GIVES THE DIRECTIONS.

I THINK IF THE NOISE ISN'T THE ISSUE, IT'S IRRELEVANT.

THEY COULD BE ON EVERY SINGLE DAY IF IT'S NOT.

IF IT'S NOT CAUSING A DECIBEL LEVEL THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR ORDINANCE, IT SHOULD BE IRRELEVANT WHEN THEY'RE ON.

NO, YOU'RE CORRECT.

YOU'RE CORRECT, IF WE CAN PROVE IT THAT WAY.

AND THEN IF THEY'RE ABOVE THE ORDINANCE, THEN I STILL WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT BECAUSE SOMETIMES PERHAPS THE ORDINANCE ISN'T PERFECT.

AND I THINK IF WE GO TOWARDS THE PATH OF APPROVING THIS, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY SET THAT IN THE MOTION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE--CAN'T FLIP IT ON UNTIL IT'S PASSED.

YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S JUST A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL UPON PASSING A NOISE.

I MEAN, THAT'S IMPLIED, I MEAN, THAT'S THE ORDINANCE.

SO REALLY DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THE MOTION.

BUT I MEAN, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT, A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL UPON HAVING A SOUND ENGINEER OR PROFESSIONAL COME OUT ONCE THEY'RE INSTALLED.

AND I'M SURE SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE AUDIBLE TO IT.

LET'S BEFORE WE GET BACK TO YOU, LET'S CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS.

ITEM 60 IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE HAVE TWO COMMENT CARDS THAT I'LL READ INTO THE RECORD FROM MS. JANE CRAVENS FROM 304 LAKESIDE CT WHO DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD MY OPPOSITION, AND FOR MR. THOMAS DRAKE 1212 WESTMONT DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD MY OPPOSITION.

IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OK.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT BACK UP AND SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS THIRD PARTY WHO TURNS IT ON TURNS IT OFF.

THE CONCERN FOR US IS GOING TO BE IT'S A RATHER HEALTHY INVESTMENT AND WE WE CAN DEMONSTRATE TO ANYONE THAT WANTS TO.

I MEAN, WE'LL TAKE YOU OVER ONE OF OUR STORES THAT HAVE THIS EXACT GENERATOR THAT RUNS AND WE CAN ARRANGE FOR IT TO BE RUN.

I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT RUNNING AT 100 PERCENT DOESN'T GENERALLY HAPPEN.

IT RUNS AT SOMEWHAT LESS THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT.

SO THE NUMBERS YOU'RE GETTING ON DECIBEL RATINGS ARE BASED ON ONE HUNDRED PERCENT RUN, WHICH THEY DON'T DO.

IT'S MUCH LOWER THAN THAT.

BUT IF THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT HEARING WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, WE HAVE ONE THAT'S UNSHIELDED ON A STORE AT MIDWAY AND NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, WHERE WE'LL BE

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HAPPY TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT IS AT THAT POINT.

SO I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO HEAR THAT BEFOREHAND, WE'D BE GLAD TO ARRANGE THAT OR WITH WITH ITS CITY EMPLOYEE, WE'D BE GLAD TO ARRANGE THAT.

BUT TO GO OUT AND BUILD IT AND THEN [INAUDIBLE] GET A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, THAT'S JUST PROBABLY SOMETHING WE CAN'T DO.

WE NEED TO BE THERE, APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH COMPLYING WITH THE ORDINANCE.

BUT TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT AND THEN HAVE TO CHANGE UP SOMETHING AT THAT POINT BECOMES MORE CHALLENGING FOR US.

UNDERSTOOD.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, I THINK WE EITHER APPROVE OR WE DON'T APPROVE, BUT IT'S WHAT WHAT ARE WE APPROVING? I'M SUPPORTIVE, LIKE I SAID FOR AN EMERGENCY, WE HAVE A POWER LOSS, IT'S A NO BRAINER FOR ME THAT'S EASY.

IT'S THE PIECE ABOUT, I MEAN, THOSE I'M TRYING TO THINK FOR THESE NEIGHBORS, THEY ARE RIGHT THERE.

I MEAN, THEY ARE RIGHT THERE.

AND A NOISE ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALWAYS CAPTURE EVERY SITUATION.

AND THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS IS I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST HEAR THAT TO.

BECAUSE IT MAY WELL BE THAT THEY'RE BELOW THE ORDINANCE.

AND YET WE'RE STILL DONE SOMETHING TO THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT I PREFER NOT TO DO.

WELL, I MIGHT ADD THAT THE LOCATION THAT WE HAVE AT MIDWAY AND NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, WE HAVE JUST THE SCREEN WALL OF THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS CLOSER THAN TO THE GENERATOR THAN THIS LOCATION, AND WE'VE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT FROM THAT NEIGHBOR.

THE NEIGHBOR'S RIGHT BEHIND IT.

DIRECTOR BAKER, SO IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, CAN WE STILL REQUIRE THAT THEY DO A DECIBEL TEST? AND THEN IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE DECIBEL LEVELS IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE COMPLIANT AND OPERATIONAL, THEN THEY HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL ATTENUATION.

I MEAN, THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE IN THE ORDINANCE AS IT IS ALREADY RIGHT.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WOULD BE IS THAT WE'RE PROACTIVELY HAVING THEM DO A DECIBEL TEST PRIOR TO RIGHT BEFORE WE WOULD APPROVE IT OR YEAH.

[INAUDIBLE] IF IT DIDN'T NOT MEET THE NOISE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO EITHER ADD MUFFLERS OR SOMEHOW DIMINISH THAT SOUND AT THE PROPERTY LINE HOWEVER ARE THEY SO BEST FIT.

SO REALLY, THE REAL QUESTION IS IS ARE WE GOING TO ASK STAFF TO CONFIRM DECIBEL READINGS ONCE INSTALLED, ASSUMING THIS IS APPROVED RIGHT, AS OPPOSED TO JUST ASSUMING THAT IT'S BELOW THE DECIBEL LEVEL.

RIGHT, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE A CONSULTING ENGINEER, AN OBJECTIVE THIRD PARTY CONSULTING ENGINEER, PROVIDE A REPORT THAT TESTS WHAT'S BEEN INSTALLED.

RUN IT UP AT 100 PERCENT.

THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.

IF WE SEE SOME A PROBLEM, WE CAN USE SOME ACOUSTICAL BATTING ON THE INTERIOR OF THE WALLS TO BASICALLY ADDRESS THE ISSUE.

SO WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT IN THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE AND WE FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT THAT.

AND SO THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE CAN DO TO DO THAT.

BUT WE NEED TO OPERATE THE FACILITY AS WE PROPOSED IT TO YOU.

YEAH, AND I GUESS THE THOUGHT IS IF IT'S QUIET ENOUGH TO RUN DURING EMERGENCY POWER, IT'S PROBABLY QUIET ENOUGH TO RUN JUST WHENEVER.

THAT'S THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, RIGHT? IT'S NOT BOUND BY TIME.

IT'S JUST IF IT'S UNDER A CERTAIN DECIBEL LEVEL, IT'S GOOD TO GO? YEAH, WELL, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, JUST WITH THE CONDITION THAT IF IT DOESN'T PASS, IT'S ON Y'ALL TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT PASSES.

YES, SIR, YOU'RE CORRECT.

IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER PERMITTED LEVELS DURING THE DAYTIME AND THOSE GO DOWN TO 55 DBA AT NIGHT.

UNABATED, IT WAS ONLY 62 DECIBELS, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, SIR? UNABATED, IT WAS 62 DECIBELS.

THAT'S WITH NOTHING ON THE WALLS.

NO SCREEN WALLS.

AND THAT'S AT THE FENCE LINE.

NOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL.

GOOD.

YEAH.

ANY OTHER CONCERNS OR THOUGHTS? COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON YOUR BROWS FURROWED.

[CHUCKLING] I'M JUST THINKING.

YEAH, I'M JUST CONSIDERING, I MEAN, SOMETHING WORKING IN FAVOR OF IT IS THAT CAROL IS RIGHT THERE.

IT'S A BUSY STREET.

AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S STILL QUIET RIGHT THERE.

IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS.

AND YEAH, I'M ALL FOR IT.

I JUST I AM A LITTLE TORN ON THE WHOLE IDEA OF WE'RE ASSUMING THAT OUR DECIBEL ORDINANCE IS SPOT ON.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASSUMING HERE.

BUT WE CAN'T CHANGE THE ORDINANCE.

I MEAN, UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE.

I AGREE.

YEAH, BUT WE CAN DECIDE THE REASON THAT WE WOULD APPROVE IT FOR USE OTHER THAN POWER LOSS IS SIMPLY FISCAL BENEFIT TO THE APPLICANT PERIOD.

I MEAN, IS THERE ANY OTHER REASON? WELL, IS THERE SOMETHING WITH GENERATORS, TOO THAT IF YOU DON'T RUN THEM, IF THEY JUST SIT THERE AND EVERY TEN YEARS, THEY NEED TO COME ON?

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THEY NEED TO RUN EVERY MONTH.

YEAH, I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD KIND OF NEED TO RUN TO STAY HEALTHY.

YEAH, PROBABLY.

I FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING ON YOUR PHONE YOU WANT TO SHOW US.

FIFTY SEVEN, SIXTY FOUR [CHUCKLING] NOT TO PUT TOO FINE A POINT ON IT.

OK.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR THE DEMONSTRATION.

I MEAN, INSIGHTFUL.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

SO, I MEAN, I'M COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD IF YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE BOUNDARIES WE'VE SET UP.

I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO FIGURE THERE'S ADDENDUM OF NOISE COMING FROM THE BUILDING OVERALL, THAT'S PROBABLY HIGHER THAN WHAT THESE GENERATORS WOULD, YOU KNOW, LIKELY PUT OUT.

SO I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO UNNECESSARILY SADDLE A BUSINESS WITH POTENTIALLY CUMBERSOME ADDITIVES.

SURE.

OK.

LISTEN, IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, IS THERE A MOTION? YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 6DD OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ZA21-0017, WHICH IS A SITE PLAN FOR CENTRAL MARKET GENERATORS, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 31ST, 2021 AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED JULY 29, 2021.

I THINK I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT FOR THE PRIOR TO THE FINAL APPROVAL, THE APPLICANT WILL VERIFY THAT THE OPERATION OF ALL THREE GENERATORS OPERATING AT 100 PERCENT CAPACITY WILL MEET ALL CITY NOISE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND PROVIDE THAT DOCUMENTATION TO THE CITY AND THE VERIFICATION SHALL BE PROVIDED BY AN ACOUSTIC ENGINEER OR OTHER QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL.

YES, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE FINAL APPROVAL WILL BE TO OPERATE YEAH, SO THE FINAL APPROVAL IS JUST TO TURN THE GENERATORS ON AS NEEDED.

GOOD TO GO.

OK.

THERE'S A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

OK, WE'VE A SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

OK, THAT I'M PASSES SIX TO ONE.

APPRECIATE IT, AND WE'LL CALL ITEM 6E ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-671.

[6E. Ordinance No. 480-671c (ZA21-0045), 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Pieter Andries Jeweler, on property described as Lot 3-R-1, Block 1, of the Georgetown Park Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, located at 2525 E. Southlake Boulevard, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District with "C-2" Local Retail Commercial District uses. Proposed Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District with "C-2" Local Retail Commercial District uses. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING]

ZA21-0045 SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN FOR PIETER ANDRIES JEWELER AND DIRECTOR BAKER, THIS ONE'S YOURS.

WHAT LEVEL OF PRESENTATION DO WE NEED? 15 SECONDS.

TAKE IT AWAY, SIR.

YEAH, THIS IS A SMALL EXPANSION.

ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY EIGHT SQUARE FEET, BASICALLY TO THE FRONT OF THE STORE WHERE IT ARTICULATES IN, IT WILL BE ARTICULATING OUT THE REASON FOR THE GOING THROUGH THE REZONING.

THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT PERMIT ME THE ABILITY TO ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE ANY EXPANSION OF A BUILDING.

AS SUCH, IT HAS TO COME THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT THE FACADE WILL LOOK THE SAME.

IN ADDITION, THERE'LL BE A NUMBER OF PLANTINGS IN THE REAR PART OF THE BUILDING.

I THINK THAT WAS LIKE 18 SECONDS.

[CHUCKLING] THAT WAS PROBABLY PUSHING 20; I'M JUST SAYING, BUT THANK YOU, DIRECTOR BAKER.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON UP.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, FOR THE RECORD.

ROBERT GARZA, RPGA ARCHITECTS, 101 SOUTH JENNINGS AVENUE, FORT WORTH, TEXAS.

OK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION.

I DO NOT, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS CLOSER TO ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SQUARE FEET.

FAIR ENOUGH.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? OK.

I THINK THIS IS GOING OK.

SO UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

THAT'S IT.

SOUNDS GOOD.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY DESIRE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 6E? SEEING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COUNCIL, WE SAW THIS FIRST READING NO ISSUES.

ANY ISSUES AT THIS POINT? WELL, SEEING THEM, I CALL FOR A MOTION.

OK, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 6E OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-671C ZA21-0045, WHICH IS THE SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN FOR PIETER ANDRIES JEWELER.

THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 31ST, 2021, AND SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED JULY 30TH, 2021.

NOTING, WE ARE APPROVING THE ADDITIONS TO THE BUILDING AS SHOWN.

MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE AND THAT ITEM PASSES SEVEN TO ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS.

GOOD LUCK WITH THE CONSTRUCTION.

AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 6F ORDNANCE NUMBER 480-784 ZA21-0048

[6F. Ordinance No. 480-784, (ZA21-0048), 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for Ridgecrest Property on property described as Tracts 1C01E1, 1C01E1A, 1C1E1A1, 1C01E1B, and 1C1E1C, Joel W. Chivers Addition, Abstract No. 350, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, located at 2645 - 2745 Ridgecrest Drive, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "AG" Agricultural District. Proposed Zoning: "SF-1A" Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #2. PUBLIC HEARING]

SECOND READING, ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR RIDGECREST PROPERTY.

DIRECTOR BAKER.

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MAYOR, I'LL ALSO DO JUST A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THIS, AS THE COUNCIL HAD A SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM AT THE FIRST READING.

JUST TO SUMMARIZE, AT YOUR LAST MEETING, THERE WERE THREE OPTIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED.

THE NEIGHBORS PARTICIPATED IN DISCUSSION AND BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION, THE OPTION C, AS SHOWN, WAS THE COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE TO MOVE FORWARD.

THE APPLICANT HAS MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT OPTION C.

A COUPLE OF DISCUSSION POINTS WERE THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO SEE LOTS ONE, SIX AND SEVEN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS, FRONT OF THE HOMES FACING RIDGECREST WITH THE OPTION, THE SIX AND SEVEN COULD HAVE THEIR DRIVES ON EITHER RIDGECREST OR THE CUL DE SACS, JUST A REMINDER THAT THE APPLICANT WILL BE PROVIDING A 10 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY AND A 15 FOOT TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, AND HAS INDICATED THAT ALL THE FENCING WOULD BE WROUGHT IRON IN NATURE.

SO HERE'S THE CONCEPT PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING THERE WAS OPPOSITION AT YOUR FIRST READING.

ALL THREE OF THOSE PROPERTIES RESCINDED THEIR OPPOSITION IN WRITING.

AS SUCH, THERE'S NOT ANY SUPERMAJORITY VOTE REQUIRED AT SECOND READING.

I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR BAKER.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR KEN AT THIS TIME? OK, THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? MR. [INAUDIBLE] COME ON DOWN, SIR.

CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL, MY NAME IS KOSSE MAYKUS, THE PRESIDENT OF HAT CREEK DEVELOPMENT, I THINK YOU ALL HEARD A PRETTY EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION BEFORE THE THING I WOULD MAKE NOTE OF, WE DO HAVE ALL THE NEIGHBORS IN CONCERT WITH US, INCLUDING THE GENTLEMAN TO THE SOUTH WHO DID NOT EXPRESS ANY WRITTEN RESERVATIONS.

BUT, I THINK HE HAS SENT SOMETHING INTO Y'ALL TODAY.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK IT'S I APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORS.

THEY WERE VERY PROFESSIONAL IN OUR NEGOTIATIONS AND I THINK WE'VE COME TO A VERY REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION FOR EVERYBODY.

WITH THAT, I'D ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF OUR PROPOSITION HERE.

SIR, I APPRECIATE THAT ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. MAYKUS.

I WOULD JUST ADD A COMMENT.

IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW THE PROCESS SHOULD WORK.

I MEAN, TO COME IN HERE AND HAVE THREE PEOPLE OR HOWEVER MANY WAS OPPOSED PUTTING YOU IN A SUPERMAJORITY SITUATION.

AND BY THE TIME THE MEETING WAS OVER, EVERYBODY'S RAISING THEIR HAND TO SAY, LET ME WITHDRAW MY OPPOSITION.

AND I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD WORK.

THAT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, WELL-MANAGED.

YES, SIR.

OK, THANK YOU.

HAVE A SEAT.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? LOOKS PRETTY GOOD.

NOTHING'S CHANGED.

WITH THAT, WE'LL TAKE A MOTION.

[INAUDIBLE] PUBLIC HEARING.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

WHO SAID MOTION? LET'S BACK THAT THING UP.

ITEM 6F, AS I WAS SAYING, IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS ITEM 6F? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

ALL RIGHT, TRY THIS AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I MOVE.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 6F OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-784 ZA21-0048, WHICH IS THE SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT PLAN FOR RIDGECREST PROPERTIES SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 31ST 2021 AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED AUGUST 31ST TO 2021.

NOTING APPROVING THE CONCEPT PLAN PRESENTED THIS EVENING, REFERRED TO AS OPTION C AND NOTING THE FOLLOWING: APPROVING NINE RESIDENTIAL LOTS ALL GREATER THAN ONE ACRE IN AREA.

THERE WILL BE NO ACCESS TO THE PRIVATE DRIVE LOCATED TO THE NORTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL LOT.

THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE FENCING FOR THE FENCE DIAGRAM PRESENTED, WHICH SHOWS AN ORNAMENTAL SIX FOOT IRON TYPE FENCE ALONG THE EAST AND SOUTH BOUNDARIES.

HOMES ON LOTS ONE, SIX AND SEVEN WILL FACE RIDGECREST DRIVE.

LOT ONE WILL HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO RIDGECREST DRIVE AND LOT SIX AND SEVEN WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO HAVE ACCESS OFF OF RIDGECREST DRIVE OR THE CUL DE SAC.

THE CUL DE SAC SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN MUST MEET ALL ENGINEERING AND FIRE REQUIREMENTS, AND THE DEVELOPER WILL PROVIDE A 15 FOOT TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT AND A 10 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY BOUNDARY, AS INDICATED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.

DO WE NEED TO SPECIFY AS FAR AS THE ACCESS OFF OF THE CUL DE SAC OR RIDGECREST? I MEAN, ONE OR THE OTHER, I MEAN, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE MOTION THAT SIX AND SEVEN HAVE THE OPTION EITHER TO GO TO THE RIGHT CUL DE SAC OR TO RIDGECREST.

PROBABLY BE GOOD TO SAY, BUT NOT BOTH.

I MEAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE A HOMEOWNER WOULD WANT THAT, BUT WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT ACCESS TO IT.

IT WAS READ INTO THE MOTION AS ORI WOULD.

THAT COULD BECOME PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE AS WE'VE ALREADY GOT PEOPLE LOOKING AT THESE LOTS

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ON THE ONES THAT ARE FRONTING RIDGECREST, I SUSPICION THAT EACH OF THOSE WILL HAVE A CIRCLE DRIVE.

AND THAT'S TO ALSO KEEP CARS THAT TYPICALLY MIGHT PARK BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM PARKING ON RIDGECREST.

IT'S ALMOST TWO CORNER LOTS, I COULD SEE A SCENARIO WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A CIRCLE AND THEN YOU HAVE A REAR GARAGE--THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO IF YOU COULD LEAVE THAT OPEN BECAUSE I COULD CERTAINLY SEE THAT THERE COULD BE AN APPROACH ON THE CUL DE SAC AND TWO ON RIDGECREST.

GOT IT.

WELL, THEN TO THAT POINT, BECAUSE THAT DOES MAKE SENSE IS OR OK, OR DOES THAT IMPLY JUST ONE? SHOULD IT BE WORDED DIFFERENTLY, SO IT ALLOWS FOR BOTH? YOU COULD JUST CLARIFY THAT YOU COULD SAY EITHER OR BOTH.

OK.

ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YEAH.

DULY NOTED.

YEAH, JUST BOTH SIX OR SEVEN CAN HAVE ACCESS BOTH TO RIDGECREST AND TO THE OK.

SO TO CORRECT A LOT, ONE WILL HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO RIDGECREST DRIVE AND LOT SIX AND SEVEN WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO HAVE ACCESS OFF RIDGECREST DRIVE AND/OR THE CUL DE SAC.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL DONE.

WELL DONE.

WHAT A MOTION.

WE'VE A MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.

OK? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE AND THAT ITEM PASSES SEVEN TO ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS.

APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 6G RESOLUTION NUMBER 21-034 ZA21-0060 SPECIFIC USE

[6G. Resolution No. 21-034 (ZA21-0060) Specific Use Permit for a Kennel for Global Pet Alliance on property being described as Lot 5R1, Block D, Commerce Business Park, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 2845 Exchange Blvd., Suite 180, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "1-1" Light Industrial District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING]

PERMIT FOR A KENNEL FOR GLOBAL PET ALLIANCE.

DIRECTOR BAKER.

MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

GLOBAL PET ALLIANCE IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF AN SUP FOR A INDOOR KENNEL PROPERTY DESCRIBED IN THE SLIDE, LOCATED AT 2845 EXCHANGE SUITE 180.

THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS TO ALLOW THE KENNEL IN THE I-1 INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

IT'S NOT ALLOWED WITHOUT THE SUP APPROVAL.

GLOBAL PET ALLIANCE IS PLANNING TO OPEN A TRANSIT FACILITY FOR DOMESTICATED ANIMALS TRAVELING TO AND FROM DFW.

SO THIS IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL RETAIL TYPE OF KENNEL.

THE BUSINESS MODEL IS FOCUSED TOWARD TRANSPORTATION OF ANIMALS TO AND FROM DFW INSTEAD OF TAKING THE DOG OR CAT TO THE AIRPORT TO THE CARGO AREA.

YOU CAN BRING THEM TO THIS FACILITY AND THEY WILL TAKE THE ANIMAL TO THE AIRPORT AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE ON THE PLANE.

ALSO, WHEN YOU HAVE FLIGHTS THAT ARE DELAYED INSTEAD OF BOARDING THE ANIMAL AT THE AIRPORT OVERNIGHT, THOSE ANIMALS CAN BE TRANSPORTED TO THIS FACILITY FOR OVERNIGHT BOARDING, WHICH WILL GIVE THEM MORE ROOM TO SPREAD OUT AND EXERCISE AND DO WHAT ANIMALS DO.

SO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODEL.

THE PROPOSED BUSINESS WILL OCCUPY 6000 SQUARE FEET OF AN ELEVEN THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED FORTY SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

THE BUILDING IS ON POINT SEVENTY THREE ACRES.

THE WAREHOUSE SPACE IS ACCOMMODATED FOR 15 OPEN AIR PET RUNS TO ALLOW THE DOGS TO EXERCISE.

EACH RUN IS APPROXIMATELY EIGHT BY SIX FEET.

THERE'S ALSO A FELINE HOUSE, WHICH ARE REFERRED TO AS A CATTERY ON THE SITE PLAN.

THE TRANSPORTATION WILL BE ALL INDOOR, SO THE VEHICLE WILL COME INSIDE AND THE ANIMAL WILL BE LOADED AND TRANSPORTED TO THE AIRPORT.

THE WAREHOUSE IS FULLY AIR CONDITIONED AND SOUNDPROOF, AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON NOISE REDUCTION, ODOR CONTROL AND WASTE DISPOSAL, WHICH SHE CAN GO INTO DETAIL.

IT'S I-1, WHICH REQUIRES THE SUP ZONING.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW.

IT'S JUST NORTH OF THE SOUTHLAKE GRAPEVINE CITY LIMITS ON EXCHANGE DRAGON STADIUM LOCATED NEARBY TO GIVE YOU A POINT OF REFERENCE.

A COUPLE OF PHOTOS OF THE BUILDING AND THE AREA TO BE UTILIZED AS THE KENNEL AREA.

MORE DETAILS PROVIDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT ON.

THE BUSINESS MODEL, THIS IS A SITE PLAN SHOWING THE LAYOUT, PROPOSED LAYOUT OF THE KENNEL, A COUPLE VIEWS OF THE BUILDING SHOWING EXTERIOR LIGHTING, THE PARKING LOT'S WELL LIT.

THERE MAY BE SOME EARLY MORNING DROP OFFS AS EARLY AS FOUR OR 4:30 A.M.

THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE ACCESS AND GONE THROUGH THE STUDY, AS WELL AS A PARKING ANALYSIS.

EVERYTHING DOES [INAUDIBLE] CODE.

THE STAFF DOESN'T BELIEVE, GIVEN THE MODEL, THAT THERE WILL BE LARGE CUSTOMER BASE

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AT ANY ONE TIME.

ALSO, THE OWNER OF THIS BUILDING OWNS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, SO THERE IS A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT ON SITE.

IF PARKING EVER BECOMES AN ISSUE, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY RESPONSES WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND SIX ZERO AND DID TIE IT TO THE TERMS OF THE LEASE.

AND IT ASKS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON THE NOISE REDUCTION AND ODOR MITIGATION.

THEY DID PROVIDE AN EMAIL, BUT I'LL LET THE APPLICANT MAYBE ADDRESS THOSE TWO ISSUES WITH COUNCIL.

OK, THAT WAS GOOD.

THANKS DIRECTOR BAKER.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? GOOD EVENING.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

DEBORAH PERRIMAN SILVER OAK COMMERCIAL 2805 MARKET LOOP SOUTHLAKE.

SO WE DID DO A FULL PRESENTATION WITH P&Z.

WE MET WITH STAFF.

AND THIS IS TRULY AN AVIATION TRANSPORTATION COMPANY.

THE CLASSIFICATION AS A KENNEL IS SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE ARE LIVE ANIMALS.

BUT THESE ARE IT'S NOT A KENNEL IN ANY SENSE WHERE SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GO SHOPPING FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS, SO THEY'RE GOING TO DROP OFF THEIR PET FOR A LITTLE DAY CARE DOGGIE DAY SPA TYPE OF SITUATION.

IT IS SIMPLY RELATED TO AVIATION.

SO INTERNATIONAL OR THEY'RE TRAVELING TO OTHER STATES WHERE THEIR OWNERS ARE CHANGING LOCATIONS, THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO IT IS ALL GEARED AND RELATED, SPECIFICALLY TO AVIATION.

SO IT IS NOT YOUR STANDARD KENNEL SITUATION.

IT'S REALLY AN AVIATION TRANSPORTATION COMPANY.

THEY DO HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL PRESENCE.

THEY HAVE OFFICES IN LONDON, SOUTH AMERICA AND OTHER POINTS OF EUROPE AS WELL.

SO THEY ARE AN ESTABLISHED THEY HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH AMERICAN AIRLINES.

THEY WERE APPROACHED DIRECTLY.

THE SYSTEM WHERE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GO AND TAKE YOUR PET AND CHECK IT IN AS BAGGAGE IS NO LONGER ALLOWED.

SO YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE CARGO AREA, WHICH IS NOT A PET FRIENDLY AND OWNER FRIENDLY AREA, BECAUSE IT IS CARGO.

SO THIS GIVES THOSE ANIMAL OWNERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SMOOTH TRANSITION AT A LOCATION, AND THEN SOMEONE IS ALSO DEALING WITH ALL THE PAPERWORK AND THE TRANSPORTATION TO AND FROM THE AIRPORT.

SO THE KENNEL REQUIREMENT IS BECAUSE PRIMARILY IF A FLIGHT IS CANCELED AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO KEEP THEM OVERNIGHT, THEY HAVE STAFF WHO WILL STAY OVERNIGHT AND THEREFORE THEY WILL HAVE LIVE ANIMALS ON SITE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES.

AND SO IT'S SIMPLY RELATED TO THE USE.

OK.

I WILL SAY, TOO, THAT THERE ARE NO HOMEOWNERS WITH ANY WITHIN ANY REASONABLE DISTANCE OF THIS BUILDING.

THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHO WILL ALSO BE THE LANDLORD, OWNS THE TWO BUILDINGS ON BOTH SIDES, AS WELL AS THE BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET, EXCEPT FOR TWO.

SO THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER THIS PROJECT AS WELL.

IN THE PHOTO, YOU DID SEE THAT THERE WAS A FOOD RELATED BUSINESS IN SUITE 100.

THAT SPACE IS PRESENTLY VACANT AND WE MET WITH THE TENANTS NEXT DOOR AND WE HAVE SOME CONTROLS WITHIN OUR LEASE WITH REGARD TO ANYTHING THAT MAY BE OBNOXIOUS OR A PROBLEM GOING FORWARD.

THE APPLICANT OF GLOBAL, THE REPRESENTATIVE CALLED ME THIS AFTERNOON AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO TRAVEL BECAUSE OF COVID, SO OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE TO MAKE THEIR PART OF THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.

DID THEIR DOG MAKE IT? THEY DIDN'T BRING THE DOG.

[CHUCKLING] COULDN'T RESIST.

IT'S NOT JUST REGULAR TRAVEL, IT'S FOR EXTENDED TRAVEL.

SO OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHAT'S THE LONGEST PERIOD OF TIME THEY ANTICIPATE HAVING ANIMALS ONSITE? TYPICALLY, IT WOULD JUST BE THE NEXT DAY WHEN THEY CAN THEN GET THEM ON THE NEXT FLIGHT.

IT'S PRIMARILY IF SOMETHING IS CANCELED AT THE END OF THE DAY AND THERE ARE NO MORE FLIGHTS AVAILABLE, THESE ANIMALS DON'T NECESSARILY FLY WITH THEIR OWNERS.

THEY MAY BE GOING ON A WHOLE SEPARATE TIMEFRAME.

OK, GOTCHA.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE MULTI-DAY OR MULTI-WEEK KIND OF SITUATIONS? NO.

SO KIND OF TYING ONTO THE MAYOR'S QUESTION THERE.

SO I'M ASSUMING, THOUGH YOU HAVE BASIC KENNELING FUNCTION IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY, A SHUTDOWN WHERE TRAVEL IS NOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU COULD KEEP AN ANIMAL FOR DAYS ON END IF NEEDED.

THEY COULD, THEY COULD.

BUT THAT'S NOT A TYPICAL MODEL.

SO IF WE HAD A SNOWSTORM OF SOME SORT AND THEN THE OWNERS HAD ALREADY LEFT, THEN THEY WOULD THEN--BUT PART OF THAT AGAIN, IS THAT THEY HAVE ALL THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALL THE AIRLINES SO THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO ROUTE THEM AS NEEDED AND HANDLE ALL OF THE

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LOGISTICS.

THEY'RE REALLY A LOGISTICS FIRM IN TRANSPORTING.

AND THEY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALL THE AIRLINES, NOT JUST ONE AND THE AIRPORTS AS WELL.

SO THEY'RE NOT JUST SIMPLY LIMITED TO DFW IF THEY NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING WITH ANOTHER AIRPORT AS WELL.

MM HMM.

WE KEEP SAYING ANIMALS, I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS IT JUST DOGS AND CATS OR--IT'S PRIMARILY DOGS.

THEY'RE PRIMARILY CATS AND DOGS.

THERE MIGHT BE A BIRD OF SOME SORT, BUT THEY'RE NOT DEALING IN EXOTICS AND HORSES AND COWS; THESE ARE ALL DOMESTICATED ANIMALS.

YEAH, WE DON'T WANT ANY TIGERS RUNNING AROUND SOUTHLAKE.

[CHUCKLING] THESE WILL ALL FIT THE FAMILY PETS.

OUR MAYOR HAS A LLAMA THAT SOMETIMES HE MIGHT WANT TO TRAVEL WITH.

WHAT ABOUT SNAKES? NO SNAKES.

WE DON'T WANT ANY SNAKES.

TRYING TO SHIP LAWRENCE, THE LLAMA, YOU WOULDN'T GET VERY FAR WITH THAT.

WAS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL WORK DONE, OR DID I MISS SOMETHING ON THE ODOR AND NOISE MITIGATION THAT P&Z REQUESTED THAT WE TALK ABOUT.

SO THEY SO THEY ARE ON AN [INAUDIBLE].

AND SO THEY DO HAVE STANDARD CLEANING PROTOCOLS THAT THEY DO WITH REGARD TO BAGGING INSIDE AS WELL AS THEN BAGGING SEPARATELY.

THIS BUILDING HAS THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE SIDE BY SIDE.

THE DUMPSTER LOCATIONS PRESENTLY ARE IN THE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN BOTH OF THOSE BUILDINGS.

EACH ONE HAS THEIR OWN SEPARATE DUMPSTER.

IF THERE WAS ANY NEED TO INCREASE THE PICKUPS BASED ON THEIR ADDITIONAL DEPOSITS, THEN THOSE WOULD BE ADDRESSED.

THEY ALSO HAVE STAFF THAT ARE PART OF THE CLEANING PROTOCOLS AS WELL.

SO I GUESS RANDY HANDLED THE ONE QUESTION.

I WAS CURIOUS WHAT THE DEFINITION OF A DOMESTICATED ANIMAL WAS BECAUSE DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF THAT.

AND THEN I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT WASTE REMOVAL.

AND SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A SERVICE FOR THAT.

THE DUMPSTER IS GOING TO BE USED.

THAT'S WHAT THEY DO PRESENTLY AT OTHER LOCATIONS.

AND IF FOR ANY REASON IT BECAME AN ISSUE, THEN WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO INTERNALLY FROM A PROPERTY OWNER AND LANDLORD PERSPECTIVE IF THEY WERE TO CREATE A ODOR NUISANCE IN SOME MANNER.

BUT HISTORICALLY, THEY'VE NOT HAD THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES.

SO UNTIL IT PROVED TO BE A PROBLEM, THEN AS LONG AS IT'S BAGGED APPROPRIATELY, THEN PICK UP AT THAT LOCATION IS TYPICALLY TWICE A WEEK.

SO IT SHOULD NOT CREATE AN ISSUE.

AND PRIMARILY THEY HAVE UNDER 15 ANIMALS PER DAY.

AND SO THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE AS WELL.

POTENTIALLY, HOW MANY ANIMALS COULD THEY HOUSE AT ONE TIME? WELL, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE NOT ANTICIPATING MORE THAN 15 DOGS.

AND THEN I THINK THERE'S THE SAME NUMBER OF CATS.

OK.

THEY HAVE 15 RUNS INSIDE, SO THIS IS ALL INDOOR.

THERE IS NO OUTDOOR ACTIVITY.

THAT'S GOOD.

OK.

GOOD THOUGHTS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OK, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SO ITEM 6G IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION.

IT'S INTERESTING BUSINESS MODEL.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR BAKER, SINCE THIS IS AN SUP IS IT CLEAR IN THE APPLICATION IN THE STAFF REPORT EXACTLY WHAT SHE SHARED THAT THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A DAY TYPE DEAL? IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY COULD FLIP INTO AN ACTIVE KENNEL IF THEY WANTED TO AT SOME POINT.

NO, IT WOULD HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THE PARAMETERS THAT WERE APPROVED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND DIRECTOR BAKER QUESTION PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THAT: IS THE TERM GOING TO RUN CONCURRENT WITH THE LEASE? YES, THAT'S P&Z'S RECOMMENDATION THAT IT RUN WITH THE TERMS OF THE LEASE.

JUST MAKE SURE THE MOTION IS WORDED LIKE THAT.

OKAY, PERFECT.

ANY ISSUES, COUNCIL? IT JUST SEEMS REALLY YUCKY, 30 ANIMALS INSIDE GOING TO THE RESTROOM AND THEN ONLY PICKING UP TWICE A WEEK.

I DON'T KNOW.

THAT JUST DOES NOT.

I WOULD NOT WANT--THE DUMPSTER PICKUP IS TWICE A WEEK.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

NO, I KNOW.

BUT I JUST I WOULD NOT WANT MY BUSINESS IN THE BUILDING WITH ALL THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST.

AND I ASSUME IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A BUNCH OF PUPPIES, TOO.

IT'S A BUNCH OF BREEDERS THAT ARE SHIPPING PUPPIES OUT.

PROBABLY WHAT IT MOSTLY IS.

NOT THAT MATTERS, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

YEAH.

THERE'S A LOT OF GIGGLING GUYS, I GOT TO BUTTON THIS UP, PROFESSIONALS OVER HERE.

OK? ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT--WELL, IT CAN'T SMELL FISHY BECAUSE THEY DON'T DEAL WITH FISH.

[CHUCKLING] OH GOSH, WE BETTER TAKE A MOTION BEFORE THE WHEELS SHOOT OFF OF THIS THING.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

ARE WE READY? I THINK WE'RE READY.

ALL RIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM 6G OTHERWISE REFERRED

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TO AS RESOLUTION NUMBER 21-034 ZA21-0060, WHICH IS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A KENNEL FOR GLOBAL PET ALLIANCE.

SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 31ST, 2021 AND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED AUGUST 13TH 2021, NOTING THAT THE APPROVING OF THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT SPECIFICALLY IS TIED TO THE SUP APPROVAL TO THE TERMS OF THE LEASE OF THE TENANT.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

OK, THAT IS APPROVED SEVEN ZERO, CONGRATULATIONS, WELCOME TO SOUTHLAKE.

LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU GUYS MOVING IN.

WITH THAT, WE MOVE ON TO ITEM 6H ZA21-0061 SITE PLAN FOR DISIERE CAR BUILDING ON

[6H. ZA21-0061, Site Plan for Disiere Car Building, on property described as Lots 6 and 7, North Davis Business Park, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 1900 and 1950 Greenwood Drive, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "1-1" Light Industrial District. SPIN Neighborhood #10. PUBLIC HEARING]

PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOTS SIX AND SEVEN NORTH DAVIS BUSINESS PARK CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

DIRECTOR BAKER.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN FOR THE DISIERE CAR BUILDING PROPERTY LOCATED LOTS SIX AND SEVEN NORTH DAVIS BUSINESS PARK.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1900 AND 1950 GREENWOOD DRIVE.

THE FACILITY IS DESIGNED TO HOUSE A PERSONAL CAR COLLECTION.

THERE WILL BE NO OUTSIDE SALES OR SERVICE AND NO PUBLIC BUSINESS OPERATIONS.

THE LAND USE IS INDUSTRIAL.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS I-1.

THIS IS A SITE PLAN REQUEST.

THESE ARE THE TWO PROPERTIES OUTLINED IN YELLOW.

THERE ARE TWO VARIANCES THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED BY COUNCIL THIS EVENING.

I'LL USE THIS EXHIBIT TO POINT OUT ONE ONE IS THE DRIVEWAY LOCATIONS.

CURRENTLY, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THERE BE 100 FOOT SEPARATION FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY INTERSECTION TO THE LOCATION OF THE DRIVES.

WHEN WE GET TO SITE PLAN, THE DRIVES ARE LESS THAN 100 FEET FROM THAT TO THE GREENWOOD AND THE GREENBRIER INTERSECTIONS WITH THE PERPENDICULAR STREET LAYOUT.

WE DID HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER LOOK AT IT.

TRAFFIC ENGINEER INDICATED THERE WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM DUE TO THE VERY LOW TRAFFIC VOLUMES AND THE OPERATION OF THE BUSINESS.

THIS IS AN OBLIQUE ANGLE VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

THE PROPERTY FALLS FROM THIS POINT TO SOUTHEAST CORNER AND GOES NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST.

THE OTHER VARIANCE IS A FOUR TO ONE SETBACK VARIANCE AT THAT 40 FEET, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING'S ABOUT TWENTY THREE AND A HALF FEET TALL.

BUT THE PROPERTY LINE DOES HAVE A CONSIDERABLE TREE BUFFER, AND THEY'LL BE SUPPLEMENTING THOSE WITH SOME CANOPY AND ACCENT TREES PER THE BUFFER YARD REQUIREMENTS.

ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, THERE WAS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.

CURRENTLY, THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION ON THIS PROPOSAL, AND THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING BACK TO THE SOUTH.

THERE IS A APPROVED SITE PLAN ON THE SITE.

THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE TYPE USE.

IT WAS FOR ELITE COMMERCIAL SUITES, AND IT ALLOWED THREE SINGLE STOREY SELF-STORAGE BUILDINGS TOTALING THIRTY TWO THOUSAND SIXTEEN SQUARE FEET.

THIS PROPOSAL IS JUST SLIGHTLY MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE, ONE BUILDING CONCEPT.

BUT THIS THIS PROPOSAL HERE IS CURRENTLY [INAUDIBLE] AND COULD BE BUILT WITH PULLING A PERMIT.

A COUPLE OF ELEVATIONS IN LANDSCAPING OF THE APPROVED PLAN, THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAN UNDER CONSIDERATION BY CITY COUNCIL THIS EVENING.

THE AS MENTIONED, THE IT'S A SINGLE BUILDING WITH ROUGHLY THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE AS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, IT'S THIRTY TWO THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED FIFTY FIVE SQUARE FEET.

THE BUILDING IS ONE STOREY, 37 PARKING SPACES ARE PROVIDED ON SITE.

MOST OF THE BUILDING WILL BE USED FOR STORAGE.

THERE'S ABOUT A 600 SQUARE FOOT AREA DEDICATED TO OFFICE.

THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS SIXTY SEVEN POINT TWO PERCENT.

THE I-1 DISTRICT ALLOWS UP TO 80 PERCENT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.

THIS IS THE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN.

60 PERCENT IS REQUIRED TO BE PRESERVED.

THE PLAN SHOWS 66 PERCENT OF THE TREES ON THE LOT BEING PROTECTED.

AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

ALONG THE EAST LINE, THERE IS ALREADY AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL THAT RUNS ALONG

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THIS PROPERTY BOUNDARY.

THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL CANOPY TREES, PLUS 41 ACCENT TREES AND 61 SHRUBS WILL BE PLANTED IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY ALONG THIS THIS EAST PROPERTY LINE.

THIS IS A PROPOSED SITE PLAN SHOWING THE LANDSCAPING.

THIS IS THE LOCATION, THE DRIVES, THE DISTANCE IS ABOUT 55 FEET AND SIMILAR ON THE NORTH SIDE.

THERE IS A REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCE.

THE TWO DRIVE CONCEPT DOES ALLOW THE FRONT TO REMAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE IN OPEN SPACE, BUT THERE IS CIRCULATION THROUGH THE BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY.

THESE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS.

THE BUILDING DOES MEET ALL MASONRY REQUIREMENTS BAY DOORS, GARAGE DOORS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION AND ONE ON THE SOUTH ASIAN.

BUT THE CULTURE STONE BRICK TYPE FACADE.

THIS IS THE DRAINAGE PLAN, AS MENTIONED, THE WATER FLOWS PRETTY MUCH NORTHWEST TO SOUTH EAST, THERE IS AN INLET DESIGNED TO HANDLE THE STORM DRAINAGE AND BASICALLY IT'D BE PICKED UP AND CARRIED BACK TO THE EAST, EVENTUALLY INTO LAKE AT SOUTHLAKE WOODS.

THIS IS THE SITE DATA SUMMARY CHART MEETS ALL SITE DATA REQUIREMENT WITH ABOUT 33 PERCENT OPEN SPACE.

THESE ARE THE TWO VARIANCE REQUESTS.

ONE IS THE DRIVEWAY SPACING AND THE OTHER IS THE FOUR TO ONE SLOPE SET BACK AT THAT 40 FOOT SETBACK IT'LL BE ABOUT TWENTY THREE AND A HALF FEET AND TWENTY FEET IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWED.

JUST A COUPLE OF VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY, AND THESE ARE VIEWS FROM SOUTHLAKE WOODS, FROM DEER HOLLOW, LOOKING BACK TO THE WEST.

I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES ON THIS SITE PLAN.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE; P&Z DID RECOMMEND 5-0 APPROVAL, SPECIFICALLY APPROVING THE VARIANCES AS REQUESTED.

I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

THANKS DIRECTOR BAKER.

JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK IS REALLY MAINLY MADE UP OF METAL BUILDINGS, RIGHT? KIND OF OLDER METAL BUILDINGS.

YEAH, BASED ON THE ELEVATIONS, I THINK THIS WILL BE THE HIGHEST QUALITY, MAYBE BUILDING.

IT'S AN OLDER INDUSTRIAL PARK.

PROBABLY EARLY 80S IS WHEN IT STARTED.

SNOT THAT THEY'RE BAD BUILDINGS, BUT THE ARCHITECTURE KIND OF MIMICKED THE STYLE--THIS WILL BE A STEP UP.

YEAH, AND THIS BUILDING IS ALREADY ENTITLED.

THE ONLY REASON WE'RE SEEING THIS IS BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO VARIANCES.

WELL, IT'S THE SITE PLAN.

YEAH, IT'S A SITE PLAN, BUT DO HAVE THE RIGHT.

YOU HAVE THE ZONING IN PLACE.

YOU KNOW, THIS USE IS PROBABLY MUCH LESS INTENSE THAN THE WHAT IS ENTITLED--BECAUSE THERE'S A CABINET SHOP.

I MEAN, THERE ARE REAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES IN THIS PARK, RIGHT? CORRECT.

THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE BASICALLY CAR STORAGE.

OK, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, SIR.

YEAH.

YES, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MY NAME IS CURTIS YOUNG WITH THE SAGE GROUP, 1130 NORTH CAROL HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, KEN GAVE A VERY DETAILED EXPLANATION.

SO, I'LL GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY, BUT YES, IT IS IN THE NORTH DAVIS BUSINESS PARK AT THE FAR END OF IT.

SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC BY THIS.

GREENBRIER WHEN THIS WAS PUT IN WAS BEFORE SOUTHLAKE WOODS.

IT STUBBED TO THE END THERE AS IF IT WOULD GO THROUGH, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD NEVER WILL NOW, BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRIMARILY I-1 ZONING WITH A COUPLE OF SP ONES IN THERE AND THEN THE CAR WASH IN THE FRONT.

THESE YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE IN THE PARK.

THEY ARE PRIMARILY METAL BUILDINGS HERE SOME PICTURES OF OUR NEIGHBORS, YOU MIGHT SAY.

SOME OF THEM HAVE A BRICK FACADE; SOME OF THEM DON'T.

YEAH, WE THINK THIS WILL BE THE NICEST BUILDING IN HERE.

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NOW, THE CLIENT, THE OWNER, DAVID DISIERE, DOES OWN AT LEAST ONE OTHER BUILDING IN HERE WHERE HE HAS HIS CURRENT CAR COLLECTION.

HE IS NOT A PERSON WHO BUYS AND SELLS CARS OUT OF THESE THINGS.

HE'S A COLLECTOR.

NOW HE MAY SELL CARS OCCASIONALLY, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY DONE AT A CAR SHOW.

LIKE A FEW WEEKS AGO, THEY WERE OUT AT PEBBLE BEACH, AT THE BIG CAR SHOW OUT THERE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT HE'S PRIMARILY A COLLECTOR WHO JUST NEEDS MORE ROOM TO STORE ALL HIS CARS.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR.

YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE SITE.

WE DO HAVE A COMMON BOUNDARY WITH RESIDENTIAL AND THE EXISTING LOTS THERE.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF THE SOUTHLAKE HOA, WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE THING WITH THEM.

THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH GOOD WITH IT.

THEY KNOW IT'S THERE.

THERE IS AN EXISTING TREE BUFFER THAT FORTUNATELY IS PRIMARILY ON THEIR SIDE OF THE FENCE THERE.

IT'S A VERY LARGE TREE BUFFER YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS HERE.

AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS SUPPLEMENTING THAT WITH MOSTLY EVERGREEN.

WE'RE PROMISING TO MAKE THEM ALL EVERGREEN.

THIS WAS THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED SIX OR SO YEARS AGO FOR THE WHAT WAS CALLED ELITE SUITES, WHICH HAD A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL SUITES ON THIS.

SO A LOT MORE TRAFFIC WAS ANTICIPATED ON THAT.

WE DID PUT IN ALL THE REQUIRED TREES AND WE AGREED TO MAKE THEM ALL EVERGREENS.

THE CURRENT PLAN IS ALSO GOING TO HAVE THEM ALL EVERGREENS INSTEAD OF A SINGLE BUILDING FOR ONE OWNER INSTEAD OF THE THREE PRIVATE CAR SHOWROOM.

NO PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE FACILITY.

THERE AREN'T GOING TO BE ANY PARTIES; AREN'T GOING TO BE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE COMING FOR THINGS.

THIS IS JUST A COLLECTOR'S FACILITY.

AND OF COURSE, LIGHTING AND ALL THAT STUFF WILL MEET ALL YOUR ORDINANCES.

ANYWAY, THE EXTERIOR RENDERINGS, KEN SHOWED YOU ONE OF THEM.

HERE'S KIND OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND FROM THE REAR, IT'LL LOOK LIKE THIS.

SO THAT'S THE PROPOSAL, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY YOU HAVE.

THANKS, CURTIS.

ANY QUESTIONS? PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

OK.

THANK YOU.

IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.

SO ITEM 6H IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COUNCIL THOUGHTS, ZONING IS IN PLACE.

IT SEEMS LIKE QUITE THE UPGRADE OVER WHAT A LOT OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THAT LITTLE BUSINESS PART.

I JUST THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TOUR AND SEE ALL THE CARS.

[CHUCKLING] CERTAINLY AN UPGRADE FROM WHAT'S IN THERE ALREADY.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.

AWESOME.

ALL RIGHT.

IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, THEN LET'S TAKE A MOTION.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 6H OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ZA21-0061, WHICH IS A SITE PLAN FOR DISIERE CAR BUILDING ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT SIX AND SEVEN AND NORTH DAVIS BUSINESS PARK.

THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 31ST 2021 AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED AUGUST 13TH 2021, NOTING THAT BOTH VARIANCES ARE APPROVED AS REQUESTED.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE AND THAT MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THE ITEM'S APPROVED.

THANKS, CURTIS.

APPRECIATE YOU.

OK, WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 7A ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-75

[7A. Ordinance No. 480-785, (ZA21-0053), 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Development Plan for Ferguson Place on property described as 1B4E and 1B4H, Leonard Lincoln Survey, Abstract No. 981, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, located at 2589 and 2593 Lonesome Dove Rd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "AG" Agricultural District. Proposed Zoning: "R-PUD" Residential Planned Unit Development District. SPIN Neighborhood #2. If approved at 1st reading, the public hearing will be held at the September 21, 2021 City Council meeting.]

ZA21-0053 FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE IN DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR FERGUSON PLACE.

DIRECTOR BAKER.

MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT YOUR LAST MEETING.

THIS IS A FIRST READING CONSIDERATION TO APPROVE A ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FROM AG TO RPUD TO ALLOW THE CREATION OF A TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT WILL BECOME PART OF A 30 LOT SUBDIVISION CITY GRAPEVINE CALLED THE FERGUSON PLACE PROPERTY LOCATED ON LONESOME DOVE AS INDICATED ON THE SLIDE.

THE CURRENT LAND USE LOW DENSITY.

CURRENT ZONING IS AG.

IT IS TWO TRACKS THAT EXIST TODAY.

THIS IS THE FERGUSON PLACE LAYOUT.

THE TOTAL SUBDIVISION, INCLUDING THE GRAPEVINE, IS PORTION IS THIRTEEN POINT ZERO FOUR FIVE ACRES IN GRAPEVINE AND THEN THE TWO TRACKS IN SOUTHLAKE MAKE UP ONE POINT ZERO THREE ZERO ACRES.

THERE'S ABOUT FIVE POINT EIGHTY FIVE ACRES OF OPEN SPACE AND THE DEVELOPMENT

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YOU MAY RECALL AT YOUR LAST MEETING, THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE WAS CONSIDERING REZONING THIS PROPERTY WHAT THEY CONSIDER R20 TO AN R7.5.

THAT ZONING WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY BY THEIR CITY COUNCIL.

THIS HAS COME HERE AS A PUD.

THERE IS ONE VARIANCE AND WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING DISTRICT THAT PERMITS THESE SIZE LOTS OF THE STANDARD DISTRICT, BUT DO ALLOW AN APPLICATION TO COME IN UNDER RPUD WITH A VARIANCE TO OPEN SPACE.

THEY ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS 10 PERCENT, BUT IN THE SUBDIVISION ITSELF, YOU CAN SEE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE WILL BE PROVIDED.

THE GREEN OUTLINE IS THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS ZONED BY THE GRAPEVINE CITY COUNCIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND THEN [INAUDIBLE] IS THE EXISTING TWO TRACKS THAT EXIST TODAY.

THIS IS A [INAUDIBLE] SLIDE, WHICH SHOWS THE EXISTING HOUSING PATTERN IN AND AROUND LONESOME DOVE.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW SHOWING THE TWO TRACTS THAT EXIST TODAY.

JUST THE CLOSER END VIEW OF SOME OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, THE CEMETERY, CHURCH [INAUDIBLE] THE BOAT AND OTHER TYPE STORAGE OCCURS TO THE SOUTH.

THE GRAPEVINE SUBDIVISION DOES SHOW AN ACCESS THROUGH TO LONESOME DOVE AS WELL, BACK UP HERE TO GRAVEL DRIVE TO THE NORTH.

THIS IS JUST A QUICK ANALYSIS OF SHOWING SOME OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND LOT SIZES.

THE TWO TRACTS ARE POINT FORTY NINE AND POINT FIVE FIVE ACRES, AND WHEN THE STREET OR ROAD GOES TO, THAT WILL REDUCE THE ACREAGE TO 0.27 ACRES, .

28 ACRES ACROSS THE STREET AND [INAUDIBLE] DIRECTLY ACROSS ABOUT BETWEEN POINT THREE TO POINT FOUR ACRES.

YOU DO HAVE SOME SIMILAR LOTS ON [INAUDIBLE] THAT ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THIS SUBDIVISION, BUT ALSO [INAUDIBLE] DOES HAVE SOME 30000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS ALONG CAROL.

THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE ON [INAUDIBLE] LOWER 16000 SQUARE FEET JUST TO THE NORTH AND GRAPEVINE.

YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE EXISTING LOT SIZES THAT EXIST CURRENTLY.

AND THEN YOU HAVE AN R7.5 LOT TO THE NORTH.

THIS IS A STREET VIEW LOOKING BACK TO THE EAST TOWARDS THE GRAPEVINE.

THERE'S EXISTING HOME GARAGE AND A BUILDING ON THAT SECOND TRACT IS A DRIVE ACCESS.

AND THEN THERE'S A PRIVATE DRIVE THAT SERVES THE BACK PORTION OF THIS TRACT AND AS WELL AS THE HOMES IN GRAPEVINE.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AGAIN, YOU'RE JUST CONSIDERING THE TWO LOTS.

THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE.

IT'S A RPUD TO CREATE TWO LOTS, AS SHOWN.

THE REGULATIONS SF20, BEING THE CLOSEST BASE DISTRICT, YOU CAN SEE THE COMPARISON TO THE SF20 DISTRICT.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE VARIANCE TO THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT AS MENTIONED IN THE RPUDS, THERE'S A 10 PERCENT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.

THEY'RE REQUESTING NO OPEN SPACE BE PROVIDED WITH THE TWO LOTS BEING REQUESTED.

THIS IS THE FENCE PLAN THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.

A SIX FOOT WIDE FENCE ON THE BACK PART OF THE HOMES FACING THE GRAPEVINE SIDE OR THE PRIVATE DRIVE TO THE NORTH.

THE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN STANDARD ZONING REQUIRES 60 PERCENT.

THEY'LL MEET 60 61 PERCENT AT A MINIMUM.

THIS IS THE DRAINAGE IN TALKING TO THE GRAPEVINE ENGINEERS.

THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THE DRAINAGE CONCERNS.

ON LONESOME DOVE RIGHT NOW, THE BAR DITCH PICKS UP THE WATER, TAKES IT SOUTH.

THERE'S A LARGE COLLECTION AREA THAT SOMETIMES PULLS UP THAT COULD BE APPROVED AND BROUGHT INTO THE STREET AND THEN BROUGHT BACK TO THE EAST WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF

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THIS SUBDIVISION.

IF APPROVED, MOST LIKELY WHAT WILL OCCUR WILL BE AN INNER-LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE TO ALLOW WATER AND SEWER TO CONNECT TO THE HOMES.

THERE IS WATER ACROSS THE STREET BUT REQUIRE BORING.

THE STAFF HAS HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE AND APPEARS THEY ARE WILLING TO ENTER INTO THEIR LOCAL IF THESE TWO LOTS ARE APPROVED BY COUNCIL TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER.

THE ROADS STANDARDS FOR GRAPEVINE AND CITY OF SOUTHLAKE ARE THE SAME, BASICALLY, SO YOU WON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE ROAD PAVEMENT.

IF APPROVED, THERE WILL BE A PORTION OF THE STREET THAT WOULD BE IN THE CITY LIMITS OF GRAPEVINE, BUT THE STREETS WOULD LOOK SIMILAR.

WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE IN THE 200 FOOT AREA FROM SOUTHLAKE OR THE GRAPEVINE SIDE.

THIS WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL FIVE-ZERO AND GRANTING THE VARIANCE RELATED TO THE COMMON OPEN SPACE AND NOTING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD NOT INCLUDE ANY DRIVEWAYS WITH DIRECT ACCESS ONTO LONESOME DOVE THAT THE DRIVES WOULD ACCESS ONTO THE PROPOSED LOCAL STREET.

THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU KEN, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, MAYOR, JUST ONE QUESTION.

DIRECTOR BAKER, WHO WILL PROVIDE POLICE AND FIRE SERVICE TO THESE LOTS? ALL THERE IS AN AIR LOCAL AGREEMENT AND I'LL LET CHIEF STARR ADDRESS THAT, BUT I WOULD SUSPECT WITH A NEW GRAPEVINE STATION TOO, THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE THE THE CLOSEST STATION TO THAT IN TERMS OF POLICE THAT STILL MAY COME FROM SOUTHLAKE.

BUT AGAIN, I'LL OK, I'LL LET THE POLICE AND FIRE ADDRESS.

OKAY, THANK YOU, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

OK, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR BAKER, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? MR. MAYKUS, COME ON DOWN ONE MORE TIME.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL, KOSSE MAYKUS, AGAIN HAT CREEK DEVELOPMENT HERE TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR PROPOSED FERGUSON PLACE.

I'M SORRY, LAST TIME THERE WAS A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT A PROPOSED APARTMENT IN GRAPEVINE THAT SUBSEQUENTLY DID FAIL, AND WE MISSED YOU ALL BY ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.

BUT I WANT YOU ALL TO SEE THIS TONIGHT.

YOU KEN JUST DESCRIBE TO YOU ALL THE TRACK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT HERE AND THEN THAT'S THE BALANCE OF OUR ACREAGE.

THE CITY BOUNDARIES IDENTIFIED BY THE RED DOTTED LINES, YELLOW GRAPEVINE, GREEN SOUTHLAKE.

AND HE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LOT SIZE, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF BRING YOU ALL UP.

LONESOME DOVE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE DID.

IT WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS DEDICATED OPEN SPACE RIGHT HERE WE GAVE ABOUT 10 ACRES TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TWELVE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED FOOT LOTS.

AS HE SAID THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS SIXTEEN THOUSAND FEET RIGHT HERE ACROSS THE STREET.

BUT ALONG THE CARROLL BOUNDARY, BECAUSE THOSE HAVE RESIDENTIAL J.C., THE ONE ACRE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF 30S.

SO THESE LOTS, AS PROPOSED, WILL BE IN KEEPING NEXT TO US.

WE HAVE 6000 FOOT LOTS, EIGHT THOUSAND FOOT LOT, SIX THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED SEVEN FOOT LOTS, SEVENTY FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT LOTS, A PRETTY PEJORATIVE USE HERE.

THEY CALL IT BOAT STORAGE, THAT WOULD BE VERY GENEROUS TO SAY THAT AND THEN LONESOME DOVE CEMETERY AND LONESOME DOVE BAPTIST CHURCH.

HERE'S AN AERIAL OF IT.

ACTUALLY, THERE'S A VERY NICE SIX THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT, SIXTEEN YEAR OLD HOME THAT'S GOING TO BE TORN DOWN AS PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT STUFF.

THIS IS OUR PROPOSAL, AS IT IS THE TWO RED LIGHTS BEING IN SOUTHLAKE ONE ELEVEN THOUSAND SEVEN EIGHTY THREE, THE OTHER ONE TWELVE THOUSAND SIXTY ONE SQUARE FEET.

AS WAS NOTED, STREET PROFILES IN SOUTHLAKE, STREET PROFILES IN GRAPEVINE ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.

THESE WILL BE ROLLED DOWN CURBS AND WILL BE AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL.

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THE INTERESTING THING IS WE'VE KIND OF KEPT THIS UNDER WRAPS.

IT'S SOMETHING WE WORKED ON FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AFTER OUR PRESENTATION IN GRAPEVINE AND THEN AFTER I GUESS THE WAITING HERE, WE HAVE RECEIVED AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF REQUESTS FROM PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THIS AREA.

THIS IS GREAT BUYING, BUT IT IS THE CARROLL SCHOOL DISTRICT.

HERE'S THESE TWO LOTS IDENTIFIED IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR PROPOSED THE BALANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN GRAPEVINE.

ONE THING THAT BECAME APPARENT EARLY ON THIS BAR DITCH HERE IS WORKS, AND IT'S ACTUALLY DUG PROPERLY.

BUT RIGHT HERE, THE ROAD TO THE LONESOME DOVE CEMETERY IS AN OLD SCHOOL TINHORN SORT OF DRAINAGE PIPE.

IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN AROUND THOSE, THEY SOMETIMES CONSTRICT.

SO RIGHT NOW, THIS WATER COMES IN TO HERE, AND INSTEAD OF GOING UNDERNEATH THIS ROAD UNDERNEATH THE TINHORN, IT REALLY BACKS UP IT OVER TOPS THE ROAD, AND IT'S A VERY, VERY NEGATIVE SITUATION.

WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH GRAPEVINE AND SOUTHLAKE, AND ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT'S IN TALKING POINTS IS TO ENTER INTO SOME SORT OF COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH SOUTHLAKE.

GRAPEVINE, USE OUR FACILITIES HERE.

PUT A STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE BECAUSE THIS CEMETERY IS SO OLD THAT THERE'S NO BAR DITCH EXISTS ANYMORE, OUT HERE, THIS IS REALLY FLAT, SO THIS WATER HITS STOPS TO TAKE, EXCEPT THIS WATER HERE IN SOME SORT OF STRUCTURE.

TAKE IT OUT OF THE ROAD AND THEN GET IT OVER HERE TO OUR POND.

AND THIS POND DOES EXIST AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY A GORGEOUS POND.

IT'S END OF BEDROCK.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE PRETTY PONDS YOU GET AROUND HERE.

SOMETIMES IT HAS THE REALLY BLUE, PRETTY BLUE WATER.

WE HAVE ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS, YOU KNOW, THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS IS A PROCESS, BUT THEY WE DO ALIGN WITH THEIR MAPS AS FAR AS WHERE THE FIVE SEVENTY TWO LINE IS.

AND THIS IS JUST A PROCESS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH WHEN YOU'RE WORKING OVER IN THE CORPS.

AND WE'VE DONE ABOUT EIGHT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE CORPS AFFECTED.

THIS IS AN OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN B.

IN TOTAL, THIRTY ONE LOTS.

WE ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON OPEN SPACE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU IF YOU TAKE THIS IN IN THE CONTEXT OF THESE TWO LOTS BEING IN THIS OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR DONUT AND WE'RE IN THIS PARK IS SO IMPORTANT TO GRAPEVINE.

THEY'VE ACCEPTED THIS AS A DONATION AND GOING TO WAVE OUR OUR OUR PARK FEES AND SO FORTH.

AND THIS IS GOING TO BECOME A REALLY BEAUTIFUL REGIONAL PARK.

IT WILL BE PASSIVE.

WE'VE RESTRICTED NO LIGHTING.

WE NEED RESTRICTED NO BALL FIELDS.

BUT THIS PARK REPRESENTS OVER 40 PERCENT OPEN SPACE OF THE TOTAL, SO IT WON'T BE FOR A LACK OF OPEN SPACE.

AND SIMILAR TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF FIRE AND POLICE, THIS IS GOING TO BE A PUBLIC PARK.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ID'S OR WHETHER THEY'RE GRAPEVINE PEOPLE OR WHETHER THEIR SOUTHLAKE PEOPLE.

SO WE DO THINK WE MEET THE INTENT OF THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE IN SOUTHLAKE.

MAYKUS HOMES AS BUILDING ALL THESE HOMES.

THIS IS NOT BEING SOLD TO A PRODUCTION BUILDER.

THESE ARE GOING TO BE AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL.

THE WE ARE TELLING PEOPLE THESE ARE ALL IN EXCESS OF A MILLION DOLLARS.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

IT'S REALLY BEAUTIFUL.

THESE TREES AND ALL THIS THROUGH HERE IS A GORGEOUS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF OUR TWO LOTS THAT ARE IN SOUTHLAKE, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYCUS, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, GRAPEVINE APPROVED IT ALL, AND THEY DO THE TWO STEP PROCESS IN ONE NIGHT.

THEY HAD THE P&Z DOWN HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL ABOVE, AND ACTUALLY IT WAS A SEVEN-ZERO UNANIMOUS APPROVAL.

AND THEN WE'VE ALREADY HAD THERE'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL READING, IT'S APPROVED.

OK, OK JUST TO BE CLEAR, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DO HAVE A QUESTION KOSSE, IN THE GRAPEVINE LOTS AND MAYBE I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT.

LOT ONE THERE, DID THEY SPECIFY THAT THEY WANTED THE ENTRANCE TO THAT PARTICULAR HOME TO BE ON FERGUSON ROAD? OR HAVE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS LOT ONE RIGHT HERE? YEAH YES, OK, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE? YES, DID GRAPEVINE MAKE ANY SPECIFICATIONS ON WHICH DIRECTION IT NEEDED TO FACE.

NO, BUT BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

WE'RE NOT PUTTING LIKE A BIG WALL IN TRYING TO MAKE THIS CASTLE LIKE, BUT WE'RE ALREADY IN DESIGN ON THESE HOMES.

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THIS HOME WILL ACCESS TO FERGUSON ROAD AND WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE WILL DELINEATE TO CREATE WHERE THERE WILL BE A SENSE OF ENTRY HERE, BUT WE JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE LIKE THE TRADITIONAL PUT UP AN EIGHT FOOT WALL AND YOU KNOW THAT SO THERE WON'T BE SIMILAR TO WHAT Y'ALL'S REQUIREMENT IS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT, BUT IT REALLY WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO PUT A DRIVEWAY ONTO THAT ROAD.

THANK YOU, YES, MA'AM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OK.

WE'LL PROBABLY COME BACK TO YOU SHORTLY.

THANK YOU, YES, SIR.

SO THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SEE IF ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HAS A DESIRE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM 7A.

OK, WELL WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR BAKER OR MR. MAYCUS OR DISCUSSION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY GRAPEVINE? CERTAINLY A MUCH IMPROVED REDEVELOPMENT OVER WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE.

WHAT ARE YOU ALL THOUGHTS? I JUST, I LIKE HAVING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT SAFETY AND EMERGENCY SERVICES, AND I JUST I REALLY AM IN FAVOR OF HAVING THE ACCESS OFF OF DOVE AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN QUICKLY GET INTO, I MEAN, TO ALL OF IT, NOT JUST HAVING ONE LONGER WEIGH IN ON SOUTH GRAVEL CIRCLE.

SO FOR ME, THAT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN SPACE.

WE'RE CONVERTING TWO TRACKS INTO TWO LOTS.

IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

YEAH, I REALLY LIKE IT, I MEAN, WE SAW IT.

I GUESS IT WAS CORRIDOR RIGHT? AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON WHICH DIRECTION WE WOULD HAVE THE HOMES FACING IN OR OUT.

AND ALSO I AGREE WITH WITH KOSSE'S STATEMENT, JUST IT'S MORE OF A KIND OF A RURAL FEEL UP THERE.

SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE A BIG, GIGANTIC STONE WALL AND BIG WATERFALL OR ANYTHING CRAZY ON THE ENTRANCE.

BUT THAT'S JUST THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, BUT I DO LIKE IT.

I AGREE WITH THAT, I THINK MAINTAINING THAT KIND OF OPEN RURAL FEEL MAKES SOME SENSE.

IT ALSO MAKES SENSE TO COOPERATE WITH OUR SISTER CITY NEXT DOOR.

RIGHT, I MEAN, THIS IS 90 PERCENT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS ALREADY APPROVED.

AND I, ACTUALLY I LIKE IT.

BUT EVEN IF I DIDN'T, IT'D BE SOMEWHAT PETTY TO TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'LL DENY THE TWO LOTS THAT ARE REMAINING BECAUSE THEY HAPPEN TO BE RIGHT AND WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT TYPE OF THING, AS YOU KNOW.

WELL, AND IT'S UNDENIABLY GOOD FOR SOUTHLAKE.

I MEAN, THE REALITY IS, I'M GUESSING $2 MILLION HOMES ON THE LOTS AS AN INCREASE IN OUR AVERAGE AVALON TAX REVENUE.

YEAH, I'M GUESSING.

MY ONLY QUESTION IS HOW GOOD IS THE BASS FISHING IN THAT LAKE? I DON'T THINK WE CAN ADD FISHING TO THE MOTION.

WELL, WE'RE MOVING ON QUICKLY.

I DO LIKE THE, I LOVE THE PARK.

I MEAN, THAT'S TO ME, IS A HUGE DRAW TO THINK THAT THERE'S THAT MUCH GREEN SPACE.

THERE'S SO MANY YOUNG FAMILIES MOVING HERE, BIG HOUSE, SMALLER LOTS, AND FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO MOVE AROUND AND ACCESS GREEN SPACE WITHOUT HAVING TO GET IN THE CAR.

I LOVE IT.

I MEAN, MR. MAYCUS DOES A FANTASTIC JOB OF DEVELOPMENTS HE'S DONE AROUND TOWN.

HIS ENTRANCES ARE A THING OF BEAUTY.

HE DOESN'T REALLY GET JOBS.

SO I JUST REALLY LIKED THIS DEVELOPMENT.

GOOD THOUGHTS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IT SEEMS LIKE THIS MAKES SENSE ON ALL LEVELS.

NO DISCUSSION, WE'LL TAKE A MOTION.

OK, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 7A OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE 480785ZA21-0053, WHICH IS THE FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR FERGUSON PLACE.

SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 31ST, 2021 AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED AUGUST 9, 2021 WITH THE VARIANCE TO ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 480 SECTION 30.11, WHICH IS THE COMMON OPEN SPACE FROM A MINIMUM OF 10 PERCENT DOWN TO ZERO OPEN SPACE ALSO NOTING THAT THERE ARE TWO TRACKS CURRENTLY EXISTING AND THE ZONING ACTION WILL CREATE TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES SEVEN-ZERO.

THIS ITEM IS APPROVED.

THANK YOU, SIR.

WE'LL SEE YOU AT SECOND READING.

AND OBSERVING AN EXODUS, I WILL GO AHEAD AND SAY, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND COME BACK IN FIVE MINUTES, EVERYONE GOOD FOR THAT? WE WILL, FIVE, AND WE ARE GOING TO CALL ITEM 7B ORDINANCE NUMBER

[7B. Ordinance No. 480-786 (ZA21-0058), 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for 603 N. Kimball Avenue (Pemberton) on property described as Tract 5A03, Samuel Freeman Survey, No. 525 Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, located at 603 N. Kimball Avenue, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "AG" Agricultural District. Proposed Zoning: "SF-20A" Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #4. If approved at 1st reading, the public hearing will be held at the September 21, 2021 City Council meeting.]

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480-786ZA21-0058.

FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 603 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, PEMBERTON, DIRECTOR BAKER.

MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FIRST READING AND APPROVAL OF ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FROM AG TO SF-20A, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO ALLOW SIX RESIDENTIAL LOTS, PROBABLY LOCATED 603 NORTH KIMBALL PROPERTIES ON THE EAST SIDE OF KIMBALL, JUST NORTH OF THE PATERSON, OR JUST NORTH OF THE COTSWOLD VALLEY OR ESTANCIA DEVELOPMENT, JUST SOUTH OF THE PATERSON POND DEVELOPMENT IS ZONED AG AND THEY ARE REQUESTING AN SF20 ZONING DISTRICT.

LOT SIZES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE MEDIUM DENSITY LAND USE PLAN.

JUST AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED THIS EVENING.

SIX LOTS, ALL GREATER THAN 20000 SQUARE FEET.

BECAUSE THIS LOT BACKS UP TO A LOW DENSITY DESIGNATED LOT THAT HAS ZONING, IT DOES REQUIRE 30000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM ON THIS LOT.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN WITH AN AERIAL.

IT DOES CONNECT TO STUB OUT THAT WAS PROVIDED IN ESTANCIA AND IT GOES THROUGH DEVELOPMENT, HAVE A CURVATURE FOR SOME TRAFFIC CALMING AND THEN CONNECTS INTO STILLWATER COURT.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED TREE PRESERVATION ANALYSIS DOES MEET THE REQUIRED TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENT, SHOWING SIXTY THREE PERCENT BEING PRESERVED WITH ANOTHER 20 PERCENT POSSIBLY TO BE SAVED.

THE LOTS ONE, TWO AND THREE, AS PROPOSED, WILL FACE ONTO STILLWATER COURT AND THEN LOTS FOUR, FIVE AND SIX WOULD UH BE LOCATED ON THE WHAT'S CALLED PEMBERTON DRIVE OR THE LOCAL STREET.

THIS IS A SITE DATA SUMMARY CHART SHOWING THE THE GROSS ACREAGE OF THE THE EXISTING TRACK, WHICH IS 3.7 ACRES SIX LOTS.

AVERAGE LIGHT SIZE OR LIGHT AREAS.

JUST OVER 24000 SQUARE FEET.

THERE IS ONE VARIANCE REQUEST WHEN THE STUB OUT TO FROM ESTANCIA WAS PROVIDED.

IT'S A 40 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THE 50 FOOT REQUIREMENT TO BE ABLE TO TRANSITION BACK.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO TRANSITION BACK TO A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, ABOUT HALFWAY UP THE LOT FIVE AND SIX, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY VARIANCE BEING REQUESTED.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE A MORE OF A NATURAL TRANSITION BACK TO THE NORTH.

THIS IS THE DRAINAGE PLAN, MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY, WILL DRAIN BACK TO THE EAST TOWARDS THE CREEK, SOME PORTION WILL DRAIN BACK TO THE NORTH.

THERE IS A STORM INLET CUL DE SAC THAT LEADS TO THE POND AREA TO THE NORTH PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING HAS, WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT.

I'VE HAD OUR THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT LOOK AT IT AND THE STORM SYSTEM IS SIZED TO HANDLE THE DRAINAGE THAT WILL BE CREATED FROM THESE LOTS THAT FACE ONTO STILLWATER.

THIS IS A PRELIMINARY UTILITY PLAN SHOWING THE WATER AND SEWER LOCATION THE P AND Z AT THE AT THE P&Z MEETING, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON TRAFFIC THAT WOULD ACCESS ONTO STILLWATER, AND THE P&Z DID ASK THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENT A OPTION B AT THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS OPTION WAS SHOWN, I THINK, EARLY ON AT THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE, BUT THIS

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WOULD BE A PRIVATE STREET ACCESS EASEMENT.

THESE FOUR LOTS WOULD HAVE ACCESS OFF THE STILLWATER, AND THESE TWO LOTS WOULD ACCESS OFF THIS PRIVATE EASEMENT.

THE FIRE MARSHAL DID TAKE A QUICK REVIEW OF THIS AND TO SUMMARIZE THAT IT WILL NEED TO MEET ALL FIRE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF TURNAROUND SUPPORT AND SUPPORTING OF A FIRE VEHICLE.

THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM FOR ANYTHING OVER 6000 SQUARE FEET WOULD APPLY TO EITHER OPTION.

THE VARIANCES WOULD BE IN TERMS OF SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WOULD BE THIS LOT.

IT WOULD NOT BE PERPENDICULAR AND WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

AND THEN LOTS FIVE AND SIX WOULD NOT FRONT ON A PUBLIC STREET AND THOSE WOULD NEED A VARIANCE UNDER THE CONCEPT PLAN B.

AND SO THE THE VARIANCE REQUESTED FOR OPTION B ARE OUTLINED IN ON THIS SLIDE.

THIS IS JUST A FEW PHOTOS FROM STILLWATER AND ESTANCIA OR THE COTSWOLD VALLEY COURT.

THIS IS THE OWNER'S RESPONSE, AS WE HAVE IN THE 200 FOOT BOUNDARY, ONE OWNER TO THE SOUTH AND ESTANCIA IS IN FAVOR.

THERE ARE TWO ALONG STILLWATER THAT ARE I FOLLOWED OPPOSITION AND THEN TWO MORE TO THE NORTH IN PATTERSON'S POND THAT HAVE FILED OPPOSITION WITH ONE UNDECIDED.

P&Z RECOMMEND APPROVAL SIX-ZERO AND THEN NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT ONE ALTERNATE PLAN TO CITY COUNCIL, WHICH THEY HAVE COMPLIED WITH.

THAT CONCLUDES STAT'S PRESENTATION, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANKS DIRECTOR BAKER, WHAT WAS THE IMPETUS BEHIND OPTION B? P&Z JUST WANTED TO SEE SOMETHING ELSE.

THERE WAS A THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THE P&Z ABOUT THE THIS OPTION WOULD, I GUESS, GENERATE THE CONCERN, I THINK FROM THE RESIDENTS WAS THIS OPTION WOULD GENERATE TRAFFIC FROM ESTANCIA AND POSSIBLY INCREASE TRAFFIC ALONG STILLWATER COURT, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE DRIVING EMPHASIS BEHIND AN OPTION THAT DID NOT HAVE THIS STREET THAT WENT CONNECTED TO STILLWATER DIRECTLY.

HOW MANY HOMES ARE IN ESTANCIA? I BELIEVE 14 ONE TWO THREE FOUR FIVE SIX SEVEN EIGHT NINE 10 11.

I'M SORRY, 11 LOTS.

AND WE THINK 11 LOTS ARE GOING TO GENERATE TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE? I MEAN, IT WOULD PROBABLY INCREASE THE VOLUME, BUT THE DISCUSSION AT P AND Z, WHILE THERE HASN'T BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY, I DON'T THINK THE VOLUME WOULD DECREASE IT.

THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF THAT INTERSECTION AND HOW IT FUNCTIONS WELL, TYPICALLY, BUT THAT WOULD ALSO MEAN THAT WOULD BE 11 LOTS ALL CHOOSING TO GO THAT WAY.

I MEAN, REALISTICALLY, YEAH, BE FOUR OR FIVE LOTS THAT SAY IT'S BETTER FOR ME TO AND THERE'LL BE SOME SPLITS.

AND THEN WHEN GENERALLY WHEN YOU GET A TRAFFIC STUDY, ALSO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE PEAK TIME PERIODS.

TYPICALLY, A RESIDENTIAL HOME CREATES 10 TRIPS DURING A 24 HOUR PERIOD.

THAT'S MUCH LOWER VOLUME DURING YOUR PEAK TIMES YOUR A.M.

AND P.M.

RUSH.

AND SO THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ADDED WOULD FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT WOULD NOT DIMINISH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS.

STILLWATER COURT IS THAT CURRENTLY STUBBED OUT FOR ACCESS? AND IT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT.

THE STUB OUT WAS TO COTSWOLD VALLEY.

THIS IS NOT STUBBED OUT TO BACK TO THE SOUTH.

I BELIEVE I'VE GOT A COPY OF THE PLAT IN HERE SOMEWHERE.

SO HERE'S THE PATTERSON POND, WHERE STILLWATER IS SO, THE ROADWAY IS PLATED TO THE PROPERTY LINE ALONG THE NORTH.

GOTCHA, AND CAN YOU GO TO OPTION B REAL QUICK? OPTION A, SORRY.

SO UNDER OPTION A, LOT ONE WOULD FRONT ONTO STILLWATER COURT.

YES, SIR.

AND LOT TWO, TO STILLWATER OR PEMBERTON.

YEAH, IT COULD.

IT COULD DO EITHER.

OK, NOTHING'S FRONTING TO KIMBALL RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

THE APPLICANT INDICATE THERE'S NOT ANY ATTEMPT TO FRONT ONTO KIMBALL, NOR WILL

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WE ENCOURAGE A RESIDENTIAL DRIVE OFF OF KIMBALL.

WILL YOU GO TO OPTION B REAL QUICK? AND SO UNDER OPTION B, LOTS ONE THROUGH FOUR FRONT ONTO STILLWATER AND LOTS SIX AND FIVE FRONT ONTO PRIVATE ACCESS, WHATEVER THAT IS.

YEAH.

OK.

OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STEPH? OK, THANKS.

DIRECTOR BAKER IS THE APPLICANT HERE? DIRECTOR BAKER, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD.

JUST PULLING UP THE...

FAIR ENOUGH, ALL RIGHT PRESENTATION, GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN, CURTIS, ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS DEAN DECAVITTE, I LIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE AT 740 NORTH PEYTONVILLE AVENUE.

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MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT PEMBERTON TO YOU THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CURTIS WITH THE SAGE GROUP ON THIS PROJECT, AND CURTIS IS GOING TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION HERE IN A MOMENT.

I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY INTRODUCE MYSELF AND MY COMPANY TO YOU.

MY COMPANY IS DECAVITTE PROPERTIES, I'VE BEEN A CUSTOM HOME BUILDER HERE IN SOUTHLAKE FOR TWENTY SEVEN YEARS.

OVER THAT LENGTH OF TIME, MOST OF THE HOMES THAT HAVE BUILT HAVE EITHER BEEN IN SOUTHLAKE, WESTLAKE OR COLLEYVILLE.

MY FAMILY AND I HAVE ALSO BEEN RESIDENTS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE FOR OVER 15 YEARS, AND WE JUST GRADUATED OUR LAST DRAGON HERE JUST THIS PAST JUNE.

SO WE LOVE WHERE WE LIVE.

WE LIVE, WORK, PLAY, GO TO CHURCH RIGHT HERE IN THE TOWN.

I CARE ABOUT MY COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.

AND SO SHORTLY AFTER I PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, I IMMEDIATELY REACHED OUT TO ALL EIGHT OF THE FAMILIES THAT SURROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY AND REQUESTED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS TO MEET WITH THEM.

FIFTY PERCENT RESPONDED, AND I MET WITH THOSE PEOPLE ON AT LEAST ONE OCCASION TO DISCUSS OUR PROJECT AND OBTAIN THEIR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS AND ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

MOST OF THEIR QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE HOMES WHO WOULD BUILD THEM SIZES.

I HAD INDICATED TO THEM THAT MY COMPANY, DECAVITTE PROPERTIES, WOULD BE BUILDING ALL OF THE HOMES ON THE PROPOSED LOTS.

THE SIZES WOULD RANGE PROBABLY FOUR TO SIX THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, AND THE PRICE POINT OF THESE HOMES WOULD BE REALISTICALLY 2.2 TO 3.2 MILLION.

ALL OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I GOT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT I MET WITH WAS THEY WERE VERY POSITIVE AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.

A COUPLE OF FAMILIES WERE EXCITED TO SEE THAT MAYBE SOMETHING WAS GOING TO FINALLY HAPPEN WITH THIS LAND AS THEY'VE BEEN BATTLING PROBLEMS WITH SNAKES AND RODENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

EVERYBODY THAT I SPOKE TO ALSO OUT OF THAT GROUP FELT THAT THIS WOULD BE A POSITIVE FOR PROPERTY VALUE MOVING FORWARD.

AND SO THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT YOU SAW THERE THE THROUGH STREET DESIGN, IF YOU WILL, WHICH WAS UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED BY P AND Z TO YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERATION WE FEEL IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE.

IT UNIFIES OUR COMMUNITY, EXCUSE ME, IT UNIFIES OUR COMMUNITY.

IT DOESN'T DIVIDE AND AND THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED WITH THAT SIMPLE STREET THAT GOES THROUGH THERE, THAT BASICALLY CONNECTS PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH EACH OTHER.

AND SO PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER.

AND ENGAGE IN COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO CURTIS, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG.

YES, CURTIS YOUNG AGAIN, SAGE GROUP 1130 NORTH CARROLL, HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR DEAN TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW HIM.

HE'S BEEN A GREAT HOMEBUILDER IN THIS AREA FOR A LONG TIME.

HE'S BUILT A LOT OF REALLY GREAT HOMES.

WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT THEM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUILT A LOT OF THREE TO $5 MILLION HOMES.

THESE ARE EXQUISITE HOMES.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ABOUT THE KIND OF QUALITY HOMES HE BUILT.

HERE'S JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE HOMES HE'S BUILT HERE.

DIFFERENT STYLES, BUT VERY CLEAN.

JUST BEAUTIFULLY DONE INSIDE AND OUT.

YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE INTERIORS.

WHAT HE'S BUILT, JUST DEAN HAS AN ATTENTION TO DETAIL THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST INCREDIBLE.

SOME OF THE THE THINGS THAT HE'S BUILT OUT OF MY PRICE RANGE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN ONE OF HIS HOMES FOR SURE, AND I THINK THESE WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLE.

IN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

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IT IS THREE POINT SEVENTY FIVE ACRES HERE, AND IT'S BETWEEN THE ESTANCIA PROJECT TO THE SOUTH AND THE PATTERSON'S POND TO THE NORTH.

LAND USE PLAN, AS KEN SAID, IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

WE ARE PROPOSING TO COMPLY WITH THAT.

THE ZONING AROUND US ESTANCIA IS AN RPUD TO THE SOUTH, ABOUT 12000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS IN THERE, A LITTLE BIT OF OPEN SPACE WITH THE POND ON THE EAST END TO THE NORTH IS SF-20A, THE PATTERSON PONDS DEVELOPMENT.

ACROSS THE STREET TO THE WEST IS PRIMARILY OFFICE BUILDING SOUTH OF KIMBALL AND NORTH AND KIMBALL IS THE TZD DEVELOPMENT ON EITHER SIDE, ACCESSING OFF OF KIMBALL AND KIRKWOOD .

ACROSS THE CREEK TO OUR EAST IS THE SF-1A ALONG SHADY LANE, IN THERE WE HAVE TALKED TO AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE OWNERS THERE AND THEY'RE GOOD.

THIS IS OUR PLAN AND IT'S REALLY A SIMPLE PLAN WHERE WE CONNECT THE STREET STUB THAT WAS BUILT TO EXTEND INTO THIS PROPERTY WHEN ESTANCIA WAS DONE.

YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY WAS CONSIDERED WHEN BOTH ESTANCIA WAS DONE BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED IN THAT AND MY LONGTIME CLIENT AND GOOD FRIEND PAUL SPAIN DID PATTERSON'S POND TO THE NORTH.

BOTH TRIED TO GET THIS PROPERTY TO ADD INTO THE DEVELOPMENTS, BUT LOU HILLMAN, THE OWNER AT THE TIME, JUST KEPT THINKING IF I KEEP IT A LITTLE BIT LONGER, THE PRICE IS GOING TO GO UP AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT ANYWAY, HE PASSED AWAY AND IT ENDED UP IN THE HANDS OF HIS CHILDREN AND BAYLOR UNIVERSITY.

AND THEN DEAN PURCHASED THE PROPERTY SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

THIS KIND OF CONNECTS THE TWO STREETS.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PLOW ANY NEW GROUND HERE.

IT'S ALL SF 20 LOTS.

WE FEEL THAT THIS IS THE BEST ARRANGEMENT OF THE STREET THAT GIVES, LOT ONE AND TWO WILL MIMIC WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET, AND STILLWATER COURT WILL HAVE TWO HOMES FACING TWO HOMES OVER HERE.

THIS HOME WILL PROBABLY FACE THIS WAY, BUT VERY SIMILAR TO THE HOME OVER HERE THAT'S KIND OF AN L-SHAPED LOTS ON THAT.

AND THEN THIS IS A LARGE LOT HERE THAT'LL BACK UP TO THE OPEN SPACE OVER IN HERE.

AND THEN THESE TWO LOTS WILL FRONT ON OUR STREET CLOSER TO THE ESTANCIA AREA.

THE OTHER THING WE LOOKED AT WAS WHERE THE TREES ARE ON THIS PROPERTY BEING THAT IT WAS TWO LOTS ORIGINALLY, THERE'S KIND OF A LINE OF TREES DOWN HERE AND THEN A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TREES IN THE BACK HERE.

WHAT THIS ROAD ALIGNMENT DOES IS IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE A GOOD CHANCE TO SAVE MANY OF THESE TREES IN THE BACKYARDS OF LOTS ONE AND TWO, WHICH WE FELT WAS IMPORTANT, AND ALSO TO SAVE THIS GROUPING OF TREES HERE, WHICH PROVIDES A NATURAL BUFFER TO THE CREEK AREA AND THE LOTS ACROSS OVER HERE.

SO THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE FELT THAT THIS ROAD ARRANGEMENT MADE SO MUCH SENSE.

OF COURSE, WE'LL HAVE FULLY LANDSCAPE THE END UP WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD OF SIX HIGH QUALITY CUSTOM LUXURY HOMES, ALL BUILT BY DEAN AND HIS COMPANY WITH A GREAT TRACK RECORD.

THIS WAS THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED AND RECOMMENDED TO YOU UNANIMOUSLY BY THE P AND Z.

THEY DID, CHAIRMAN KUBIAK SAID, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER IN BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO THE NORTH NOT WANTING TO THROUGH TRAFFIC, I REMEMBER AT THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE YOU DID A DIFFERENT PLAN THAT DIDN'T SHOW A THROUGH ROAD.

HE SAID, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THAT AND YOU SHOW IT TO THEM.

IT'S NOT A PLAN THAT WE FEEL IS BEST.

WE FEEL THIS PLAN IS BEST.

BUT I'M HONORING HIS REQUEST AND SHOWING YOU THAT THIS PLAN COULD WORK, BUT WE REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S THE BEST PLAN.

AND AS DEAN SAID, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SMALL LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO, THERE'S ALREADY VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD AND ADDING A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL HOMES, TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD, EVEN IF THAT HAPPENS, IS SO SMALL THAT NO ONE WILL REALLY NOTICE.

BUT I KNOW THAT CLEARLY IF YOU LIVE ON STILLWATER CORRIDOR ALREADY, YOU WANT

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TO MINIMIZE IT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE OPPOSITION AND YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR SOME OF THAT TONIGHT.

BUT WE REALLY FEEL THAT THIS PLAN IS IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE OUGHT TO GO, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO GET YOUR FAVORABLE APPROVAL OF.

SO THAT'S IT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANY OF YOU HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

YES, SIR.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S BETTER FOR CURTIS OR MR. DECAVITTE, WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BEING KIND OF SQUEEZED IN THERE BETWEEN THE TWO AND NOT HAVING AN ENTRANCE POINT OFF OF KIMBALL, HOW DO YOU PLAN TO KIND OF ANNOUNCE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT'S THE ENTRY GOING TO LOOK LIKE? WELL, WE WILL HAVE, WE'LL WE BUILDING A WALL ON HERE? AND SINCE IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE ESTANCIA WALL THAT ACTUALLY WAS BUILT AND THEN REBUILT BY THE CITY WHEN THE EXPANSION OF KIMBALL WAS HAPPENED.

OUR PLAN IS TO CONTINUE THAT SAME STYLE UP HERE, BUT WE WILL HAVE A CORNER HERE THAT WE COULD ANNOUNCE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ON THAT.

BUT WHAT ABOUT AS YOU GET IN OFF OF STILLWATER OR COTSWOLD? WHAT IS, WILL THERE BE A WAY TO DIFFERENTIATE THAT YOU'RE ENTERING A NEIGHBORHOOD, A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, THESE HOMES, OF COURSE, WILL FACE ON THAT.

IT'LL BE YOUR FRONT YARDS ONTO THAT.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION WITH PATTERSON'S POND ABOUT JOINING THEIR HOA.

THEY ASKED IF WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT, AND YOU KNOW, THAT HASN'T BEEN RULED OUT OR APPROVED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WE PROMISED WE'D BE WILLING TO CONSIDER IF IT MADE SENSE.

OK, WELL, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A CONSIDERATION AS FAR AS MY VOTE FOR APPROVAL.

IT'S MORE A CURIOSITY BECAUSE AT THE PRICE POINT MR. DECAVITTE IS TALKING ABOUT, I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE A A REAL NICE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT YOU'RE COMING INTO THIS BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO YEAH, WE WERE THINKING THAT ANY POTENTIAL SIGNAGE COULD HAPPEN RIGHT HERE AT THE CORNER.

THAT'S A VERY VISIBLE, VISIBLE PORTION.

OK, THANKS.

OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CURTIS AT THIS TIME OR MR. DECAVITTE? OK, HAVE A SEAT, I'M SURE WE'LL WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST READING, SO TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

SO THE INTEREST OF US GETTING KIND OF A ROBUST VIEW OF THIS, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL JUST GO DOWN THE COMMENT CARDS.

THE FIRST, THE FIRST RESIDENT WISHING TO SPEAK IS DAN NGUYEN FROM 2208 STILLWATER COURT, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

COME ON DOWN, SIR.

AND IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THE GREEN, YELLOW AND RED LIGHTS WILL INDICATE THE THREE MINUTE TIMER.

MY NAME IS DAN NGUYEN AND 2208 STILLWATER COURT.

THANK YOU COUNCILMAN FOR HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT.

SO ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST PURCHASED THIS HOME YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, I EXPECTED TO BE CUL DE SAC, YOU KNOW, WHICH VERY YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW CUL DE SAC IS AND THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS.

IT'S CALM AND PEACEFUL.

LOW TRAFFIC AREA CHILDREN CAN PLAY IN, YOU KNOW, YOUR NEIGHBORS MORE AND YOU KNOW, SAFETY FOR THE, YOU KNOW, JUST SECURITY WITH LESS, YOU KNOW, VANDALISM OR CRIME.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE CUL DE SAC AND WE PAY, YOU KNOW, PREMIUM FOR THE AREA.

AND YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS MOST PROPERTY IN THE CUL DE SAC, YOU SEARCH IT UP IS 20 PERCENT MORE VALUE.

AND SO HAVING THROUGH STREET DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY BENEFITS TO THE AREA THAT WE LIVE IN.

AND I KNOW THAT FOR SURE THAT TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE THROUGH THE STILLWATER TO KIMBALL.

IF YOU SEE KIMBALL'S TRAFFIC NOW, IT'S VERY CONGESTED.

YOU HAVE CHILDREN GOING TO SCHOOL ACROSS TO THE CMS MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK JUST, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T SOUND VERY SAFETY FOR THE CHILDREN CROSSING THE AREA.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY STUDIES, YOU KNOW, GUYS LOOKING TO IT ANY STUDIES OF A YOU KNOW, WITH THE KIMBLE [INAUDIBLE] IS THIS, YOU KNOW, ON A DAILY BASIS LIKE THOUSANDS OF CARS JUST CROSSING BACK AND FORTH.

AND FOR ME TO GET OUT OF THAT TRAFFIC EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GO TO WORK AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE MY KIDS TO SCHOOL, IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS MY REASON FOR JUST NOT WANTING TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE STILLWATER COURT.

AND THAT'S IT, YEAH, THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU.

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OK, THE NEXT COMMENTARY IS IYAD SHEHADEH FROM 2201 PATTERSON WAY SOUTHLAKE, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM.

IYAD SHEHADEH, 2201 PATTERSON WAY, I AM THE HOA PRESIDENT FOR PATTERSON POND AND JUST FOR NOW, TRY TO BE BRIEF.

SOME OF THE ITEMS WE MENTIONED PROBABLY REPETITIVE MR.BUT I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PERSPECTIVE, PATTERSON POND HOA AREA HAS 13 HOUSES.

THE HOUSES IS IN STILLWATER, THEY'RE ONE PLUS ACRES.

WHEN THE HOA, THE DEVELOPER BASICALLY GAVE THE LAND TO THE CITY, THE INTENTION WAS TO KEEP IT AS A CUL DE SAC.

THERE'S A 10 FOOT, 10 FEET WIDE ON THE SOUTHBOUND OR RETICENT POUND ON STILLWATER THAT WE HOA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MOWING AND IRRIGATING FOR THE LAST 18 YEARS.

SO AS USUAL [INAUDIBLE] GIVE IT THE RIGHT WAY TO THE CITY.

THE INTENTION WAS NOT TO HAVE ANY THROUGH STREET OR ANY HOUSES FACING STILLWATER.

UNFORTUNATELY, THIS WAS NOT PUT IN WRITING, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE IN THIS DEBATE.

SO MAKE SURE THAT SO I'M REALLY OPPOSING TO A CONCEPT THAT WAS GIVEN AND EVEN OPPOSED TO THE CONCEPT B BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY GAVE ANOTHER CONCEPT BUT WAS NOT EVEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND I'M GIVING MY REASONS FOR FOUR FACTS AND NOT ANY ASSUMPTIONS.

THE FIRST FACT, THERE WAS NO INTENTION TO HAVE A THROUGH STREET FROM STILLWATER.

THERE WAS AN INTENTION AND IT WAS ADVERTISED VERY CLEARLY ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO THE HOUSE IS ON EXCAVATE, WHICH WAS A NEWER COMMUNITY WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR LOTS.

THEY KNEW THAT THERE'S A THROUGH STREET ON THAT AREA.

THE SECOND FACT IS THE SAFETY, NOW I GIVE THIS FROM MY EXPERIENCE, I LIVED THERE FOR THE LAST, I HAVE A LOT FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS, I LIVED THERE FOR SIX YEARS.

NOW I GAVE MY TWO DRAGONS I BUILT TO THEM NOT TO TURN LEFT ON KIMBALL ON KIRKWOOD, GOING BACK TO KIMBALL, THAT STREET IS SO BUSY THE CARS ARE SO FAST.

I EVEN WAS ABOUT TO GET INTO ACCIDENTS TURNING LEFT OR RIGHT.

SO FOR THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY OF SOUTHLAKE CITIZENS, THAT'S REALLY GOING TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC TURNING RIGHT, TURNING LEFT, COMING DOWN FROM KIMBALL DOWN TO THAT AREA, IT'S SLOWING DOWN WHEN THEY TURN LEFT OR TURN RIGHT TO REALLY DON'T SEE THE STREETS.

THE CARS ARE COMING DOWN AND THEY COME REALLY FAST IN ABOUT 45 50 MILES PER HOUR.

SO THAT'S A SAFETY CONCERN THERE FOR THAT INCREASED TRAFFIC.

NOW AT THE STILLWATER, THERE'S A SIGN FOR PATTERSON POND [INAUDIBLE], AND THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

SO NOW WHEN WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMUNITY, WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER HOA AND YOU HAVE A CONFLICT AND INCONSISTENCY.

SO THERE WILL BE CONFUSION AND ALSO THE WAY IT LOOKS.

WE HAVE THANK YOU, SIR.

YES.

SIR, THREE MINUTES ARE UP.

I GOT TO KEEP YOU TO THREE MINUTES.

OK, SO WELL, THREE MINUTES, ROB, I GOT TO KEEP EVERYONE TO THREE MINUTES SO WE CAN KEEP THIS MOVING, SO.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO CALL THE NEXT COMMENTER.

ALL RIGHT.

SO LET ME JUST FINISH BY SAYING THAT THE PROPOSAL WE PROPOSED AND WE'RE NOT AGAINST ANY DEVELOPMENT THERE.

THANK YOU.

BUT TO BASICALLY HAVE THE THE CUL DE SAC OVER THERE AND JUST HAVE ONE LOT FACING STILLWATER AND IT WILL WORK PERFECTLY.

THANK YOU.

I UNDERSTAND.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

OK.

WITH THAT, WE'LL CALL THE NEXT NEXT COMMENTER MR. HENRY HUBBLE FROM 2208 PATTERSON WAY, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM.

GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING, SIR.

HENRY HUBBELL, 2208 PATERSON WAY AND I AM OUT HERE TO SAY I'M NOT OPPOSED TO REZONING.

I AM OPPOSED TO THE CONCEPT, A PLAN THAT WAS PROPOSED.

THE PROPOSED THROUGH STREET WILL NOT BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CURRENT RESIDENTS OF STILLWATER COURT.

I'VE SPOKEN TO ALL THE RESIDENTS ON STILLWATER COURT.

ALL WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE A THROUGH STREET, TWO HAVE ACTUALLY FORMALLY PROTESTED OR OPPOSED.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE PROPOSED STREET TO CONNECT TO CUL DE SACS DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE AND WILL ONLY INCREASE THE TRAFFIC ON BOTH STREETS.

MOREOVER, ADDING THIS THIS THROUGH STREET IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT OF CUL DE SACS IN THE VICINITY.

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YERGIN IS A STAND ALONE CUL DE SAC PATTERSON WAY IS A STANDALONE CUL DE SAC, STILLWATER HAS BEEN A STANDALONE, COTSWOLD WAS A STAND ALONE CUL DE SAC.

SOUTHERN SOUTHLAKE GLEN WAS A STAND ALONE CUL DE SAC.[INAUDIBLE] UP IN MOSS LANE IS A STAND ALONE CUL DE SAC.

A CONNECTOR STREET LIKE THE ONE PROPOSED HAS NOT BEEN DONE IN OUR AREA.

WHY CAN'T THE DEVELOPER JUST USE THE CUL DE SACS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE? WHAT ADVANTAGE IS THERE FOR ANYONE FOR THIS CONNECTOR ROAD? WHEN THE RESIDENTS OF STILLWATER COURT BOUGHT THEIR HOMES, THEY DID NOT ANTICIPATE THE PROPOSED CONNECTOR STREET OR A HIGH, HIGHER DENSITY ZONING CHANGE WOULD BE ALLOWED BY THE CITY.

PUNCHING THROUGH A STREET IS A CLASSIC SCENARIO THAT WILL LEAD TO INVERSION INVERSE CONDEMNATION CLAIMS AND DECREASED PROPERTY VALUES.

WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH MIGHT ALLOW FOR THE CONNECTOR STREET? I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE STREET, SUCH AS THE ONE PROPOSED AS THE CONNECTOR, WAS AN ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WAS GRANTED OR IN THE LAND USE PLAN OF SOUTHLAKE.

STORM WATER DRAINAGE WILL BE INCREASED BY MORE IMPERVIOUS AREAS FROM THE STREET ALONE.

I ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS MOST IMPACTED TO REJECT THE THROUGH STREET CONCEPT AND ASK THAT A PLAN SIMILAR TO OPTION B BE SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. HUBBELL.

THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS CARDS I HAVE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM FOR OR AGAINST? OK, SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM FROM HERE.

DIRECTOR BAKER, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

SO IS THERE ANY RIGHT AWAY CURRENTLY THROUGH THE PROPERTY? IS THERE ANY RIGHT AWAY CURRENTLY THROUGH THE PROPERTY? NO, SIR, THERE'S A THERE'S A STUB OUT HERE AND RIGHT AWAY ADJACENT TO THE NORTH BOUNDARY, BUT NOT ANY OTHER THAN AND IT'LL BE DEDICATED TO KIMBALL.

SO WHEN WAS COTSWOLD VALLEY COURT OR ESTANCIA? WHEN WAS ESTANCIA DEVELOPED? IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

I'M THINKING 2008 SEVEN SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

NO, I'M ASKING YOU TO REACH WAY BACK.

BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY INDEPENDENT RECOLLECTION OF WHY THAT COUNCIL STUBBED THAT STREET OUT? I MEAN, PRESUMABLY IT WAS TO CONNECT SOMETHING.

YEAH, IT WAS THERE FOR A CONNECTION POINT.

I DON'T KNOW, PATTERSON POND CAME IN AFTER, YOU KNOW, AFTER CASWELL VALLEY OR ESTANCIA DID.

SO DON'T DON'T RECALL ANY CONNECTION, DISCUSSIONS, WHETHER IT WAS INTENDED TO CONNECT OR NOT.

HOLD ON, I'M TALKING TO DIRECTOR BAKER.

I'LL CALL YOU GUYS UP WHEN WE'RE READY.

OK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION, THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE FOR IT, SO WE'RE GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS AND WHEN, IF AND WHEN WE NEED OTHER INFORMATION, WE WILL CALL FOR IT.

CONTINUE SIR, PLEASE.

SO I DON'T RECALL IF I DON'T RECALL, I MEAN, IF IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A THROUGH STREET OR INCOME CONTINUATION OF CONCEPT, BUT PRESUMABLY THEY STUBBED IT OUT FOR A REASON.

WELL, OBVIOUSLY TO HAVE CONNECTION FROM THE SOUTH.

YES, OK IS THAT A CURB CUT OFF OF KIMBLE? IT IS, BUT IT'S FOR THE EXISTING PROPERTY.

FOR THE WHAT THERE'S AN EXISTING DRIVE OFF OF OF KIMBLE.

SO IT'S INTENDED TO SERVE AS PROPERTY.

MM HMM.

TODAY, BUT YES, THAT'S A CURB CUT.

SEE IT HERE, MAYBE A LITTLE BETTER SERVES THE HOUSE EXISTING HOME.

SO AT THIS POINT, THOUGH, THE APPLICANT, I GUESS, IS NOT PROVIDED A RENDERING THAT WOULD USE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, A CURB CUT IN AND COMING IN OFF OF KIMBALL TO ACCESS ALL SIX LOTS.

YEAH, THERE'S NO INTENTION TO ACCESS OFF OF KIMBALL WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

IT COULD BE DONE, THOUGH, CORRECT? I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE OPTIONS.

YES, IT COULD.

IT COULD BE DONE, BUT WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT AND MAKE SURE THAT SPACING DRIVEWAY SPACING THAT YES, IT IS POSSIBLE.

OK.

OK, I ACTUALLY HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY QUESTION FOR CHIEFS STARR.

CHIEF STARR, CAN WE? SO BETWEEN OPTION A, OPTION B.

OPTION A, OPTION IS YOUR PREFERENCE.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

ELABORATE.

ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S A STRONG STATEMENT, ELABORATE PLEASE.

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IT GIVES US TWO POINTS OF ACCESS RATHER THAN A DEAD END STREET.

AND AS FIRE SITUATION, OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO BRING EQUIPMENT IN FROM TWO WAYS.

SO IF YOU JUST DID ONE OPTION, IT LIMITS.

BASICALLY, ONCE YOU GET A FIRE TRUCK INTO A CERTAIN POINT, YOU CUT OFF ACCESS FOR ANY OTHER ACCESS.

THIS OPTION GIVES US, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO COME IN FROM EITHER SIDE.

OK.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU.

YES, SIR.

DIRECTOR BAKER, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY I DID MAKE AN INCORRECT STATEMENT.

STILLWATER WAS BUILT FIRST.

I SAID THE OPPOSITE THAT COTSWOLD VALLEY CAME IN INITIALLY.

SO, I WANT TO JUST CLARIFY THAT STATEMENT.

SO STILLWATER PREDATES COTSWOLD VALLEY.

CORRECT.

WHICH, MAYBE WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THE TAPE ON THAT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHAT THE COUNCIL HAD APPROVED COTSWOLD VALLEY WITH A CUT IN PROBABLY ANTICIPATED SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

ESPECIALLY IF STILLWATER PREDATED IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

THAT DIRECTOR BAKER, I'M SORRY, YOU WERE JUST ABOUT SIT DOWN.

DO WE HAVE ANY TRAFFIC STUDY WHATSOEVER ON THIS? NO, SIR, WE DO NOT HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY.

I UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF 11 HOUSES TO THE SOUTH AND SIX NEW HOUSES IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, BUT WE TYPICALLY REQUIRE A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT? NOT OF THIS SCALE, IN FACT, IT WAS NOT WHEN THEY SUBMIT THE ENGINEERING STAFF LOOKS AT IT AND DID NOT REQUIRE IT.

IT'S OK, STAFF ENGINEERS ALREADY SAID NO TRAFFIC STUDY, RIGHT? BUT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL DOES WANT TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER DO A QUICK STUDY.

IT COULD BE PROBABLY DEVELOPED AND SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW.

OK.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM SEEING THE OPTION OF HAVING THE STREET GO DOWN THE CENTER? ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP, RANDY? YES, YEAH I MEAN, I ALWAYS LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.

AND IF YOU I MEAN, CLEARLY, THIS OPTION IS FAR BETTER THAN OPTION B, OPTION B, AND NO, NOT EVEN WORTH CONSIDERING.

BUT TOTALLY AGREE.

BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S IT'S SOMEWHAT ODD HAVING A NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT A ENTRY POINT, I MEAN, THEY'RE IN DIFFERENT PLACES, I MEAN, HECK, YOU CAN DRIVE AROUND TIMARRON AND YOU CAN SEE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF TIMARRON WHERE YOU HAVE ENTRIES FROM DIFFERENT PLACES.

SO IT'S CERTAINLY NOT UNHEARD OF, BUT I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE AN OPTION THAT WOULD COME OFF OF KIMBALL JUST TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT STILLWATER AGAIN, I DON'T THINK I COULDN'T MAKE A DECISION BASED ON TRAFFIC, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT I'M NOT THRILLED ABOUT STILLWATER AS IT SITS ALREADY COMPETING WITH KIRKWOOD AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY WITH SCHOOL AND ALL THAT.

I CAN'T CHANGE THAT.

THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

BUT THIS DOES ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT TO ME, IT'S NOT ENOUGH THAT I COULD MAKE A DECISION ON THAT, SURE.

BUT YOU LAYER THAT TOGETHER, YOU KIND OF GO, OK, YOU GOT THE TRAFFIC, YOU'VE GOT NO ENTRY OFF OF THE MAIN CORRIDOR THERE.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A VERSION THAT WOULD SHOW IT COMING JUST TO SEE WHAT IF IT CAN BE DONE? WELL, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT KIRKWOOD AND THE TRAFFIC, I LIVE, YOU KNOW, HALF A MILE FROM THIS PROPERTY AND TRYING TO TAKE A LEFT OFF OF KIRKWOOD ON THE KIMBALL IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE AT ANY TIME OF DAY.

IT IS REALLY AWFUL.

SO THEY'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THAT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY PLANS TO PUT STOPLIGHTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON IT.

IT'S JUST TOUGH, IT'S A TOUGH INTERSECTION.

I'M KIND OF WITH YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON, I THINK THERE'S SOME PIECES OF INFORMATION I'D LOVE TO SEE BEFORE I MAKE A DECISION HERE.

AND ALTHOUGH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT IS MINIMAL, I MEAN, I THINK THE RESIDENTS OF THAT CUL DE SAC, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST DESERVE TO SEE WHAT THAT IMPACT IS.

I THINK THEY'RE RIGHT.

THEY DID BUY IT, AND WE HAVE TO LET THE LANDOWNER DEVELOP HIS PROPERTY.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE POINT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE I SUPPORT THAT 100 PERCENT.

BUT I WOULD LOVE A TRUE GOOD FAITH EFFORT, YOU KNOW, NOT AN EFFORT OF, OK, I'LL BRING SOMETHING IN AND IT'S GOING TO LOOK BAD.

SO, YOU KNOW, BUT A TRUE GOOD FAITH EFFORT OF WHAT'S THE BEST IT COULD LOOK LIKE.

I GUESS MY CONCERN ON HAVING AN ENTRY OFF OF KIMBALL WOULD BE AS AS THE ONE RESIDENT STATED, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY HAIRY ENOUGH, TURNING IN OFF OF KIMBALL

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FROM ALL OF THESE OTHER ACCESS POINTS.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ADDING ONE WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

I'D ACTUALLY BE CONCERNED IT WOULD, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THESE ACCESS POINTS.

POINT TAKEN.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, KATHY.

I DON'T KNOW RANDY, I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, IT'S DIFFICULT.

YEAH, IT'S JUST A IT'S A TOUGH SPOT.

BUT KIMBALL AND YOU KNOW, FOR FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING.

IF CARS REALLY ARE GOING FORTY FIVE AND 50 DOWN KIMBALL, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THAT SO.

BUT I'VE SEEN CARS DO IT.

YEAH.

ANYWAY, THOSE ARE I'VE HEARD OF SUCH THINGS.

THAT'S THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ABOUT HAVING A..

IS THERE A REASON YOU DIDN'T DO A THIRD CUL DE SAC OPTION? YEAH.

MR. YOUNG, WHY DON'T YOU COME ON UP? HAVE YOU GUYS CONSIDERED THAT DIRECT ACCESS OFF A KIMBALL? HAVING A STREET COME OFF OF KIMBALL, THIS CLOSE TO AN INTERSECTION VIOLATES EVERY TRAFFIC STANDARD THAT WE HAVE WORKED IN FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS, SO THAT'S A NO.

YOU GUYS HAVE NOT...I COULDN'T IMAGINED THAT ANYONE WOULD APPROVE ANOTHER INTERSECTION THIS CLOSE TO THE KIRKWOOD KIMBALL.

BOTH MAJOR ARTERIALS IN THE CITY? SURE.

IT'S JUST WAY TOO CLOSE TO MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.

WELL, CURTIS, IT NEVER WOULD HAVE IMAGINED THAT REAL QUICKLY.

THERE'S ALREADY A CURB CUT AND THERE'S ALREADY ACCESS THERE.

THAT'S AN OLD, THAT'S AN OLD HOUSE WHERE CERTAINLY WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THAT AND DO JUST LIKE PATTERSON POND TO THE NORTH AND JUST LIKE ESTANCIA TO AND BACK OUR HOMES TO THIS, THAT CURB CUT WILL DISAPPEAR WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK YOUR YOUR POINT MIGHT BE A LITTLE OFF IN THE SENSE THAT THERE'S ALREADY THERE'S ALREADY ACCESS TO KIMBLE FROM THAT LOCATION.

PARDON ME FROM KIMBALL ONTO THAT PROPERTY, WITH STILLWATER COURT ALREADY BEING IN PLACE BECAUSE IT WAS AN EXISTING GRANDFATHERED SITUATION, RIGHT? THAT BUT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A FUTURE STOP SIGN OR STOPLIGHT OR FLASH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BETWEEN THOSE TWO ACCESS POINTS.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE DISTANCE ROUGHLY BETWEEN STILLWATER COURT AND PATTERSON WAY? WHAT IS IT? TWO.

IS IT TWO LOTS? IT'S MORE THAN THE WIDTH OF THIS PROPERTY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, YEAH.

CURTIS, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, DID YOU GUYS CONSIDER A PLAN THAT WAS KIND OF AN EXTENSION OF THE COTSWOLD VALLEY CUL DE SAC THAT TERMINATES ON YOUR PROPERTY VERSUS A CUT THROUGH? WELL, AND DON'T TELL ME OPTION B, BECAUSE THAT'S AWFUL, RIGHT, AND I ONLY BROUGHT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT DAN ASKED ME TO BRING, OK.

I AGREE, IT'S AWFUL, OK.

I THINK DAN ASKS YOU TO BRING THAT, BUT HE DID SPECIFICALLY.

YEAH, SOMEONE JUST SAID, OH, BRING A TERRIBLE PLAN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SAY NO TO.

NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT YOU DID THERE.

BUT CONTINUE, SIR.

I DIDN'T LIKE IT EITHER, BUT I'M JUST DOING WHAT I'M TOLD.

OK.

ALL RIGHT.

I'VE SEEN YOUR WORK FOR YEARS AND THAT'S NOT YOUR WORK.

CURTIS, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A MINUTE, TOO.

ALL RIGHT.

WE CONTINUE.

ALL RIGHT.

HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT BRINGING A CUL DE SAC OFF BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A CURB OR WE'VE GOT A CLEAR INTENTION FOR ACCESS FROM CASWELL VALLEY TO THE NORTH? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON STILLWATER COURT.

DID YOU CONSIDER DOING SOME OF...

THE NEIGHBORS, WHAT THEY SUGGESTED WAS THAT WE TAKE THIS ROAD AND BRING IT UP HERE AND THEN JUST DO A CUL DE SAC RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

YEAH, DID YOU CONSIDER THAT? HOW RIDICULOUS WOULD THAT BE? I MEAN, I'M ASKING YOU, YOU'RE THE ENGINEER, TWO CUL DE SACS RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER THAT ISN'T CONNECTED.

YOU KNOW, IT JUST TO ME DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO DO THAT TO, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT ALL OF THESE HOMES IN THIS HALF ACRE LOT NEIGHBORHOOD OF, YOU KNOW, A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS AND UP HOMES WOULD HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH ESTANCIA AS THEIR ONLY WAY TO GET THERE.

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE WELL.

SO I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, BUT IT ALSO MEANS THAT THEY HAVE CUL DE SAC LOTS, WHICH IS SOMETHING.

I WOULD LOVE, LISTEN, YOU'RE HERE IN A STRUGGLE WITH THIS.

YOU'RE HEARING US SAY IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.

WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH IN STILLWATER SAID IS RIGHT.

THEY BOUGHT ON A CUL DE SAC, AND YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING TO DESTROY THAT, AND THAT'S FINE.

THAT MAY BE WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING, BUT THEY BOUGHT ON A CUL DE SAC WITH ONLY HOMES ON HALF OF THE SIDE.

I GET IT, BUT IT WAS DEVELOPED LIKE A CUL DE SAC, NOT WITH A CUT THROUGH.

SO WE'RE SITTING HERE WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO ANALYZE TRAFFIC, I UNDERSTAND IT'S MINIMAL, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S REALLY SHOWING THAT WE CAN SHOW THE NEIGHBORS, HEY, TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE IS GOING TO BE MINIMAL.

SO THAT PIECE OF INFORMATION WOULD BE NICE.

AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE EXHAUSTED YOUR OPTIONS HERE.

WELL, MAYOR HUFFMAN, I MIGHT BE IN THE MINORITY, BUT I LIKE IT.

[03:45:06]

I WAS ON CORRIDOR.

WE SAW SEVERAL PLANS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE MAKING SOMEWHAT A CUT THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE'RE STILL ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITION OF ONLY SIX LOTS.

DEAN DECAVITT BUILDS AN AMAZINGLY BEAUTIFUL HOME.

HE LIVES HERE.

HE CARES ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE COMMUNITY.

I CAN'T SEE ANY OF THE COTSWOLD VALLEY.

I KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE RIGHT AT THE BASE OF COTSWOLD VALLEY, RIGHT THERE.

ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO GO UP AROUND AND THEN OUT STILLWATER.

THEY'RE GOING TO STILL CONTINUE TO GO OUT THE WAY THAT THEY DO.

MY OFFICE IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE EXIT TO THE COTSWOLD VALLEY, SO I CAN TELL YOU WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY YOU WOULDN'T WANT ANOTHER EXIT ONTO KIMBALL.

YOU'VE GOT KIRKWOOD, YOU'RE DEALING WITH, YOU'VE GOT STILLWATER, YOU'RE DEALING WITH, YOU'VE GOT COTSWOLD VALLEY AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE OFFICE BUILDINGS, WHICH IS WHERE I DRIVE IN AND OUT OF EVERY DAY.

SO I SUPPORT THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY MAKES THE MOST SENSE FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, FROM A LOGISTICS STANDPOINT.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE REALLY ARE TALKING ABOUT SIX HOMES, AND IT STILL WILL FEEL LIKE A VERY SMALL CUL DE SAC NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE DRIVING AROUND KIMBALL AND GOING FORTY FIVE MILES AN HOUR THROUGH.

IT'S GOING TO STILL FEEL LIKE A VERY SMALL CUL DE SAC FEEL.

THAT'S THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, FOR ME, IT'S ONE OF THOSE POSTAGE STAMP PIECES OF PROPERTY WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME THESE LITTLE PIECES LEFT IN THE CITY THAT WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A POSITION IF WE IF TRULY A CURB CUT OFF OF KIMBALL IS JUST HERESY AND THE YOU KNOW, FROM, AND I WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM DIRECTOR BAKER ABOUT THAT.

BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE'RE PICKING THE BEST OF THE BAD OPTIONS BECAUSE THE CUL DE SAC TO CUL DE SAC, I'D REMIND EVERYBODY, WE CONSIDER THAT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO IN ESTES PARK, WHEN IT WAS, WHAT WAS IT, KEN, WAS IT CASTLE ROCK UP AGAINST, WAS IT BOULDER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WE CONSIDERED A CUL DE SAC TO CUL DE SAC AND WE WERE LIKE, NO, BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.

AND THEN BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AND I THINK THAT JUST STICKS IT TO THE PEOPLE IN CASWELL VALLEY, YOU KNOW, THEN IT'S LIKE, OK, WE'RE JUST KIND OF BECAUSE IF YOU HAVEN'T DRIVEN THROUGH CASWELL VALLEY, THAT'S A SLOW KIND OF SNAKY LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.

SO, YEAH.

THIS IS A IT'S A TOUGH ONE.

I MEAN, THIS OPTION OF ALL THE I MEAN, EVEN THIS OPTION A CUL DE SAC ADJOINING A CUL DE SAC.

I MEAN, YOU'D NEVER DESIGN IT THAT WAY.

SO I LIVE ON ONE.

I LIVE CUL DE SAC TO CUL DE SAC.

YOU DO, AND I WOULD KILL YOU IF YOU TRY TO CUT THROUGH THERE.

YOU'D BE ON MY PROPERTY AND I'D SHOOT YOU.

NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.

BUT I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YOU HAVE LITERALLY GRASS COURT IS A CUL DE SAC, AND WE BACK UP TO ANDRE COURT, WHICH IS ANOTHER CUL DE SAC.

ONE'S OFF KIMBALL, ONE'S OFF.

YEAH, HIGHLAND, HOW DO YOU FORGET ABOUT HIGHLAND.

[INAUDIBLE] ONE'S OFF HIGHLAND, ONE'S OFF SUNSHINE.

ONE THING WE'RE NOT, THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS, IS THERE NOT AN OPTION TO PUT ONE TWO, THREE LOTS AND MAYBE ALMOST JUST INCREASE THE SIZE OF THAT CUL DE SAC OFF STILLWATER COURT SO THAT YOU PUT FOUR HOMES ON THAT SIDE AND THEN JUST CLOSE IN THE CUL DE SAC ON COTSWOLD, COURT? YEAH, BUT FROM AN EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN, CHIEF STARR DID NOT LIKE THAT OPTION.

HE REALLY? NO, NO, NO.

I'M TALKING.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A DEAD.

I'M TALKING ABOUT TWO FREE STANDING.

IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN NOW.

JUST TWO EXTRA HOUSES ON COTSWOLD.

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY SCHEME B WHAT I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

WELL, EXCEPT WITH A MARKEDLY BETTER SCHEMATIC THAN THAT.

WELL, THAT'S FOUR LOTS OFF OF STILL WATER, BUT THAT'S USING EXACTLY THE ROAD YOU'VE GOT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT MAKING THAT A MARKEDLY MORE APPEALING OPTION, LIKE PUTTING A CUL DE SAC HERE TO ACCESS THESE TWO LOTS, JUST MAKE YOU YEAH, LEAVING THAT CUL DE SAC AND MAKING THE ONE UP TOP A LITTLE LARGER OR SOMETHING SO THAT YOU CAN ACCESS THOSE LOTS THREE AND FOUR AND MAKE IT MORE ESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

IN SUPPORT OF THE OTHER PLAN AS WELL, I MEAN, I THINK EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING TO LIVE NEXT TO GREEN SPACE FOR A LONG TIME AND THEN HAVING PRESENTED IT, YOU KNOW, SOON TO PERHAPS NOT BE GREEN SPACE, THAT'S HARD.

I DO THINK THE TRAFFIC, I DON'T SEE HOW WITH THE ADDITION OF SIX HOUSES, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT.

I ALSO, TO ME, THE WAY IT LOOKS BECAUSE THE ROAD CURVES.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE STANDING IN ONE CUL DE SAC AND LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE OTHER.

AND SO FOR ME, THAT REALLY TAKES AWAY THAT NOTION THAT YOU'RE IT'S CUL DE SAC TO

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CUL DE SAC WITH A STRAIGHT LINE, ESSENTIALLY SO, AND WITH THE TREE COVERAGE THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PRESERVE.

I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE FEEL OF WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY OR CURRENTLY, I SHOULD SAY.

AND YEAH, THOSE HOMES ARE BEAUTIFUL.

SO I DON'T HAVE ANY I LIKE IT.

I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU AND COUNCIL MEMBER TORRES-LEPP ARE SAYING, BUT YOU'RE STILL FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING THE EXPERIENCE FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ON STILLWATER COURT, AND WE'RE NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT THAT CHANGE ENTAILS.

WE'RE JUST NOT.

SO NOW ONE OPTION WE DO HAVE, ONE OPTION WE DO HAVE IS THIS IS FIRST READING.

WE CAN PASS IT ON FIRST READING AND ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION BEFORE SECOND READING, THAT KEEPS THE PROCESS GOING.

BUT YOU KNOW, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT WHAT HAPPENS AT FIRST READING WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SECOND, AS YOU KNOW.

SO IF THERE'S A WILL TO KEEP THIS GOING FORWARD, WE CAN WE DON'T HAVE TO STOP THE PROCESS.

BUT I, FOR ONE, WOULD I REALLY WANT TO SEE WHAT THE THE ACTUAL ANALYSIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST SIX HOMES, IT'S ALL 11 ON COTSWOLD VALLEY TWO.

WELL, YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THAT POTENTIAL CUT THROUGH UNDERSTANDING WE MIGHT NOT GET IT ALL, BUT A TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD TELL US THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.

BUT I WOULD ALSO ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFORT ON AN OPTION THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE A CUT THROUGH.

YEAH, I THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE WE'RE FACED WITH HERE IS I THINK THIS IS A LAND USE PLAN MISS, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE LIKE ANY GOOD DEVELOPER OR ANY ENGINEER, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, ZONED MEDIUM DENSITY, YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET AS MANY LOTS AS YOU CAN ON THERE.

AND I THINK ULTIMATELY, IF YOU CAN FIGURE THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, YOU MIGHT END UP LOSING A LOT AND MAKE THIS MORE APPROPRIATE.

I AGREE I AM NOT A FAN OF DUMPING ON TO STILLWATER COURT.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING A COUPLE OF LOTS THAT ACCESS STILLWATER COURTS.

I THINK ALL THOSE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON STILLWATER RECOGNIZE THAT THAT OPEN LOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM COULD VERY WELL BE A RESIDENCE OR TWO OR THREE.

PARDON ME.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH.

AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ACCESSING A LOT OR TWO FROM COTSWOLD VALLEY BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THOSE RESIDENTS RECOGNIZE THAT THAT WAS STUBBED FOR A FUTURE STREET OF SOME SORT.

AND SO WE'RE KIND OF STUFFING A SQUARE PEG INTO A ROUND HOLE JUST BECAUSE THIS IS ELIGIBLE FOR SIX LOTS.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE ISSUE THAT I SEE AT HAND, SO UNFORTUNATELY FOR ME, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF EITHER ONE OF THESE, AND I MENTIONED THAT TO YOU BEFORE CURTIS AT OUR CORRIDOR PLANNING COMMITTEE.

IT'S JUST THIS DOESN'T WORK FOR ME, FOR I JUST CAN'T, CAN'T MAKE IT WORK.

AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND HOW THE LAND USE PLAN IS WRITTEN.

IT'S CERTAINLY ELIGIBLE FOR IT.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO KEEP WORKING ON THIS, UNFORTUNATELY.

CHAD, DO YOU NOT FEEL THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER TWO NEIGHBORHOODS? LOT SIZES IN LAYMAN'S PLAN IT IS, BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE WHAT IT'S DOING TO STILLWATER COURT.

I DON'T LIKE THE IMPACT THAT IT'S HAVING ON STILLWATER COURT.

I JUST DON'T.

I THINK IT'S FAIR THAT THOSE RESIDENTS HAD A CUL DE SAC AND TO HAVE A SPILL THROUGH IS NOT WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM COMING FROM COTSWOLD VALLEY TO ACCESS A COUPLE OF LOTS, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.

I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, I'M NOT A DESIGNER, BUT I THINK, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS JUST MY OWN OPINION.

I THINK UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS JUST A LAND USE MISS, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER AND ENGINEER ARE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE SIX LOTS AND MAYBE SIX LOTS ISN'T THE NUMBER.

IF YOU JUST KIND OF STUB OUT FROM COTSWOLD VALLEY AND JUST ACCESS WHATEVER IT IS, TWO OR THREE LOTS FROM STILLWATER.

I GUESS I'M ALSO JUST FROM A LOGICAL STANDPOINT, IF I'M LIVING IN LOT ONE OR TWO OR THREE OR FOUR, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GO OUT STILLWATER COURT.

BUT IF THE KIRKWOOD INTERSECTION IS AN ISSUE AND I LIVE DOWN HERE ON COTSWOLD VALLEY, ON THESE STUBBED OUT LOTS, OR I'M EVEN MAYBE FIVE OR SIX, I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO OUT THAT WAY.

I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GO OUT THE WAY HAT'S THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, RIGHT? LIKE IF KIRKWOOD IS A CONSTANT PROBLEM.

SO I KIND OF PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD NOT ASK HIM TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON A TRAFFIC STUDY.

I THINK THAT'S OVERKILL IN THIS SITUATION, BUT THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

STILLWATER COURT, THEY HAVE A CUL DE SAC THAT'S UNIQUE TO THEM AND THAT'S WHAT THEIR EXPECTATION HAS BEEN.

IF THERE'S A WAY TO I MEAN, I GUESS WITH THE MAYBE IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE STREET GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH, BUT IN TERMS OF LOTS ONE AND TWO.

IS THERE A WAY THAT FROM THOSE NEIGHBORS LOOKING IN THAT DIRECTION TOWARDS LOTS

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ONE AND TWO, YOU CAN MAKE IT STILL GIVE THEM THAT FEEL WHERE IT'S CLOSED OFF OR IT'S NOT? YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE HOUSE.

I MEAN, RIGHT IN YOUR FACE, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK PLAN B PLAN B NEEDS TO SOME MORE TLC ULTIMATELY.

WELL, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

COUNCILWOMAN TALLEY.

IF I'M ON A STREET, I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO LOOK AT THE FRONT OF HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET, SIMILAR TO THE HOUSES I HAVE, SURE, THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S REALLY THE GENESIS OF THIS WHOLE PLAN TO TRY TO MIMIC THE LOTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET TO THE GREATEST EXTENT WE COULD.

WE COULD HAVE TAKEN THIS AND WE WE HAD AT THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE MEETING A STREET THAT DIDN'T CURVE SO MUCH, BUT IT DIDN'T MIMIC THOSE FIRST TWO HOMES ACROSS THE STREET.

WE THINK THIS IS MAKES FOR A MUCH BETTER STREETSCAPE TO PUT IT OVER THERE AND CONNECT TO STILLWATER, PASS THOSE FIRST TWO HOMES SO THAT WE WOULD BE MATCHING THE STREETSCAPE ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE.

SO THAT WAS A CONSCIOUS DESIGN.

YOU KNOW, I'M ALL ABOUT OPTIONS TOO, BUT MAN I HAVE WRACKED MY BRAIN ABOUT WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE HERE.

I JUST THINK THIS WORKS.

IT'S IT'S AN INFILL PIECE OF PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ITS OWN ENTRY OR WHATEVER.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FIND A LOT MORE OF THESE AS WE GO ALONG HERE IN SOUTHLAKE OF SMALLER PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT JUST WEREN'T DEVELOPED FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHEN OTHER PROPERTIES WERE DONE AND THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO KIND OF BE THEIR OWN THING.

THEY'RE THEY'RE ADJUNCTS TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE.

AND I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT SITUATION.

IT'S IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR ITS OWN DOUBLE-SIDED.

I'M SORRY, HEY, YOU GUYS MIND, I'M HAVING TROUBLE LISTENING TO BOTH OF YOU.

CAN YOU GIVE ME A SECOND? AND CURTIS, MAYBE ME SAYING SOMETHING THAT IS RELEVANT? GO AHEAD, CURTIS.

I WAS JUST SAYING, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR A DOUBLE FACE SIDED CUL-DE-SAC TO COME IN OFF OF THERE.

IT WHEN YOU KNOW, I ADMIT WE YOU KNOW, WE DID ESTANCIA WAY BACK WHEN IN 2008 AND AT THE TIME MY CLIENT WAS TALKING WITH THIS PROPERTY OWNER.

SO YOU'RE THE ONE WHO PUT THE ACCESS IN CURTIS.

YEAH, COULD HAVE LED WITH THAT HERE.

NOW, WHY DID YOU GUYS DO THAT? CURTIS, THE CITY COUNCIL STARTING ABOUT THEN WE'RE VERY CONSCIOUS ABOUT NOT STUBBING ROADS TO ADDITIONAL PROPERTY.

AND THEY FELT THAT WAS THE BEST PRACTICE.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

AND THEY MADE US PUT A SIGN UP THERE.

IF YOU DRIVE TO THE END OF THAT, THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS FUTURE THROUGH STREET.

THAT WAS ABOUT THE TIME WHEN THE SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL SAID, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE REALIZES THAT THIS ROAD WILL GO THROUGH IN THE FUTURE.

AND YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH AND WHERE WOULD IT GO? BUT TO STILLWATER COURT, THAT WAS CLEARLY THE IDEA.

NOW AT THE TIME, WHAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING WAS DOING SIMILAR ESTANCIA SIZE LOTS, THE TWELVE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT LOTS ELEVEN AND TWELVE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT LOTS UP IN HERE.

BUT WE'RE NOT GOING THERE WITH THIS.

WE WANT TO FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH.

SO HERE'S THE SITUATION AS I READ IT, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT ALL THESE ISSUES.

YOU'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE UP HERE THAT DON'T LIKE OPTION A AND OPTION B, EITHER OF THEM.

YOU'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE UP HERE WHO ARE COMFORTABLE WITH OPTION A EVERYBODY OR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WANT MORE OPTIONS.

I'M IN THAT CAMP.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT AT SOME OPTIONS THAT DON'T INCLUDE CUTTING THROUGH TO STILLWATER.

SO IN MY VIEW, YOU CAN TABLE THIS FOR TWO WEEKS, COME BACK WITH AN OPTION AND SEE HOW YOU DO.

AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.

AND IF THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO GET THERE, THEN MAYBE THERE'S NO WAY TO GET THERE.

OR YOU CAN ROLL THE DICE ON A MOTION AND SEE HOW IT GOES, ITS FIRST READING.

WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT? WELL, IF, AS I THINK YOU SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT IF YOU CAN MOVE US AT FIRST READING THE SECOND READING WITH ASKING US AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER YOU ASK US TO DO TO COME UP WITH WHATEVER OPTIONS WE THINK THAT ARE POSSIBLE HERE.

I MEAN, WE CAN COME UP WITH AN OPTION THAT HAS ANOTHER ENTRY ON KIMBALL, BUT I THINK STAFF IS GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, NO, NO, NO.

KIMBALL IS TOO MUCH TRAFFIC AND TOO HIGH RATE OF SPEED TO PUT ANOTHER ENTRY THAT CLOSE TO THAT.

YOU KNOW, I CAN BRING OUT THE BAG OF TRICKS AND AND COME UP WITH WHATEVER OPTION I

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CAN THINK OF.

I'D BE HAPPY TO BETWEEN NOW AND THE SECOND READING, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ASKED.

OK, WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK IF WE NEED YOU.

THANKS.

SO I THINK THOSE ARE OUR OPTIONS.

WE PASSED THIS ALONG AT FIRST READING OR WE MAKE A MOTION, JUST SEE HOW IT GOES AND ASK FOR ADDITIONAL OPTIONS.

OR IF YOU GUYS WANT A TABLE THAT WE CAN TABLE IT AND ASK FOR IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE SOME MORE OPTIONS.

SO TO THAT POINT.

TYPICALLY, FOR ME, THE PASS THROUGH OPTION, WHERE IS WHEN, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE FEEL REALLY PRETTY DARN GOOD ABOUT THE CONCEPT, BUT NO PROMISES.

YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES OR THIS THING COULD COULD GET CRASHED AT THE SECOND READING.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE THERE.

I THINK THIS ONE IS THERE'S SO MUCH QUESTION AS TO WHAT EXACTLY.

I'D RATHER TABLE AND SEE ANY OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE THERE.

YOU KNOW, YOU VOTED ON IT FIRST READING AND THEN FOREVER YOU SUPPORTED IT WHEN YOU REALLY MAY NOT HAVE EVER SUPPORTED IT.

YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS ON THE RECORD THAT YOU SUPPORTED SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I PREFER THE TABLE OPTION.

I WILL SAY, THOUGH, THAT I FIND IT INTERESTING WHAT CURTIS SAID ABOUT IT, COTSWOLD, THAT THERE WAS A SIGN.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT WAS THERE OR ANYTHING, BUT IT'S THERE NOW.

OK, SO FUTURE THROUGH STREET.

SO FROM THE COTSWOLD SIDE, THEY CLEARLY HAVE FULL DISCLOSURE THAT SURE, STREET'S GOING TO GO THROUGH AND PEOPLE FOLKS HAVE MADE GOOD POINTS TONIGHT FROM THE STILLWATER COURT SIDE.

THERE HAD TO BE A REASONABLE INTUITION THAT VACANT LOTS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET MEANT THAT PROBABLY THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT.

SURE.

SO IF I MEAN, IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET AN OPTION THAT YOU KNOW.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT.

YOU DON'T WANT TO SEPARATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU HAVE TO COME IN ONE STREET TO GET IN ONE HALF OF IT AND THE OTHER STREET TO GET IN THE OTHER HALF.

SO IT'S IT'S JUST EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, BUT I'M MORE OF A TABLE ON THIS ONE.

COUNCIL MEMBER TORRES-LEPP, ARE YOU A TABLE OR ARE YOU A [INAUDIBLE] OBVIOUSLY ARE YOU? I MEAN, I'M A FEMALE, SO MORE IS ALWAYS BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO SHOES OR PLANS OR ANYTHING.

SO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE FLOW ON THIS ONE.

I DO LIKE IT AS IT IS.

I ABSOLUTELY HAVE SYMPATHY FOR THE RESIDENTS ON STILLWATER COURT THAT THOUGHT THEY WERE BUYING ON A CUL DE SAC.

THAT SAID, WHEREVER IT CAME UP, FIRST THAT THERE'S VACANT LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT WAS ASSUMED IT WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.

AND LIKE I SAID, I DO KNOW THAT THAT SIGN IS THERE BECAUSE I HAVE A FRIEND THAT LIVES RIGHT THERE ON COTSWOLD VALLEY COURT.

SO I'M I REALLY AM OK WITH HOW IT IS NOW, AND I DON'T THINK ACCESS ON KIMBALL IS AN OPTION AT ALL JUST BECAUSE I TRAVEL THAT THAT CORRIDOR EVERY DAY.

SO I'M GOING TO GO WITH WITH WHAT YOU GUYS ALL WANT IN THIS SITUATION.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

I FEEL LIKE THIS IS WHAT A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE SAYS ABOUT POLITICAL CANDIDATES.

YOU'RE CHOOSING THE LEAST WORST OPTION.

I REALLY DON'T THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE NEXT TIME IS GOING TO BE BETTER THAN THIS BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE JUST A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH GOING THROUGH THE COTSWOLD VALLEY CUL DE SAC AND LEAVING STILLWATER COURT PRISTINE.

TO ME, IT FEELS LIKE MORE OF AN INTRUSION GOING THROUGH COTSWOLD VALLEY BECAUSE I KIND OF LIKE GOES THROUGH THE CENTER OF IT AS OPPOSED TO STILL WOULD STILL WANT A COURT.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST ME, I, BUT COTSWOLD VALLEYS WAS ALWAYS DESIGNED.

I MEAN, I GOT YOU AS A THREE, BUT THAT.

BUT IT SEEMS PRETTY OBVIOUS IT WAS GOING TO BE GOING SOMEWHERE.

RIGHT.

AND I AGREE.

I'D MUCH RATHER WE COULD HAVE THE ROAD GO DOWN THE CENTER OF THIS.

THE REALITY IS, I'M JUST SAYING I I'D BE VERY SURPRISED IF THEY CAME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS MUCH BETTER THAN THIS.

I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

COUNCIL MEMBER PATTON.

MY POSITION HASN'T CHANGED.

I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF EITHER ONE OF THESE CONCEPTS OR IN FRONT OF US.

I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OPTIONS FOR, SO IF WE GO FOR A TABLE, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT.

IF WE GO FOR A VOTE, I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO SUPPORT EITHER ONE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS, TABLE COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY, YEAH, I'M FINE WITH SEEING MORE OPTIONS.

AND IN THINKING ABOUT THIS MORE, IT IS BASICALLY ESSENTIALLY A RECTANGLE AND WE ASKED FOR MORE OPTIONS ON THE RECTANGLE THAT WAS ON RIDGECREST AND WE FOUND AN OPTION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO LAND ON.

SO, YEAH, SURE, I'M FOR TABLING, THAT'S FINE.

THE ONLY THING I'M GOING TO ADD, MAYOR, IS, OF COURSE, I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP THIS PROPERTY FROM THE OWNER FOR BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.

NO, WE CAN'T.

I MEAN, WE CAN'T.

THEY'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY, BUT I NEED TO SEE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TOWARDS WHAT WE'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW? AND IF THE SENSE IS THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S THEY'RE SHOOTING AN AIR BALL ON PURPOSE, THEN YOU'LL VOTE ACCORDINGLY.

YEAH, YEAH, MAKES SENSE.

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MR. YOUNG, YOU'RE HEARING THE DISCUSSION, I THINK THERE IS A UNIVERSAL NEAR UNIVERSAL PREFERENCE TO TABLE AND GIVE YOU A SHOT AT BRINGING US BACK SOME MORE OPTIONS.

BE HAPPY TO, KEN SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN AN EMERGENCY GATE AT THE SOUTH END, IF TRAFFIC WAS THE ISSUE, WE BE, THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO US IF IT MADE ANY OF YOU FEEL BETTER.

I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK IT'S A BETTER SOLUTION.

BUT IF, THAT MADE YOU KNOW THE LACK OF ANYONE FROM COTSWOLD VALLEY BEING ABLE TO DRIVE UP TO STILLWATER COURT MADE ANYONE FEEL BETTER.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT OPTION FOR US TO LOOK AT IT.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPTION FOR US TO LOOK AT IN TWO WEEKS.

OK, WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FLOW IS TO TABLE FOR TWO WEEKS, SO I THINK SO.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO REQUEST THAT? YES, PLEASE STAY WITH US AND WE'LL BE BACK AND WE'LL RACK THE BRAIN.

WELL, WHAT I WOULD WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT YOU AND KEN GET TOGETHER, AND IF IT DOESN'T PASS THE KEN BAKER SMELL TEST, THEN PROBABLY DON'T BRING IT HERE.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE OPTION B WOULD OR WOULDN'T, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL.

OK, ALL RIGHT.

SO THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO TABLE AND KEN, WE NEED A MOTION ON THAT.

CORRECT? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YEAH, I'LL MOVE TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN B OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480786ZA21-0058 WHICH IS THE FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT PLAN FOR 603 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE.

THIS ITEM IS TABLED UNTIL THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL FIRST, SO TURN FIRST SEPTEMBER TWENTY ONE.

FIRST, WE HAVE MOTION IS THEIR SECOND.

SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

THE MOTION IS PASSED THE SEVEN-ZERO THIS ITEM IS TABLED, THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN TWO WEEKS.

WITH THAT, WE WOULD CALL ITEM 7C ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-787 ZA21-0059.

[7C. Ordinance No. 480-787, (ZA21-0059), 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Concept/Site Plan for Phillips Edison Development on property described as Lots 2R1 and 4R, L.B.G. Hall No. 686 Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 100 and 110 W. Southlake Blvd., Southlake, Texas. SPIN Neighborhood #7. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. Requested Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. If approved at 1st reading, the public hearing will be held at the September 21, 2021 City Council meeting.]

FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT SITE PLAN FOR PHILLIPS EDISON, DEVELOPMENT.

DIRECTOR BAKER MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

THIS IS A FIRST READING TO REZONE 8.54 ACRES.

IT'S KNOWN AS THE TOP TOM THUMB SITE.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO REDEVELOP THAT PORTION OF THE SITE WHERE THE GAS STATION, THE TEXACO, CURRENTLY SITS WITH A FOUR THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT SQUARE FOOT RETAIL AND RESTAURANT BUILDING WITH A DRIVE-THRU.

THE ACTION WOULD COMBINE THE LOT WHERE THE GAS STATION SITS NOW, WITH THE TOM THUMB AND THE SUNTREE RETAIL INTO ONE LOT.

PROPERTY'S LOCATED 100 AND 110 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, IT DOES HAVE RETAIL COMMERCIAL ZONING ON IT.

IT'S A TWO LOT CONFIGURATION AND THIS WOULD COMBINE IT INTO A SINGLE LOT.

SUNTREE HAS OWNERSHIP OF THE LOTS.

CURRENTLY IN S-P-2 ZONING, BUT AGAIN, DIFFERENT ZONING ON THE TWO LOTS.

ZONING WOULD ESSENTIALLY COMBINE LOT 2R1 AND LOT 4$ INTO A SINGLE LOT.

LOT 2R IS SEVEN POINT FORTY SEVEN ACRES LOT 4R IS ONE POINT ZERO SEVEN ACRES.

THIS IS A ZOOMED IN VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THE P&Z FOCUSED ON THE DRIVE THE SOUTHERN DRIVE INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER.

THE SITE PLAN SHOWS A DRIVE-THRU [INAUDIBLE] AROUND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND THEN COMING PAST THE DRIVE-THRU WINDOW AND ALLOWING TO EXIT COMING BACK OUT THIS PARTICULAR DRIVE ENTRANCE.

THE CONCERN WAS THE VEHICLES MOVING INTO THE DRIVE LANE AND TAKING AN IMMEDIATE LEFT.

IF THERE'S ANY STACKING ALONG THIS PORTION OF THE DRIVE, THAT WOULD INHIBIT THAT LEFT HAND TURN MOVEMENT.

SO A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THE P&Z FOCUS ON THAT, AND THE APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT BACK SOME POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THIS AREA WHERE THAT IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER, WHEN YOU COME IN THE DRIVE INTO THE GAS STATION SITE, IT'S AN IMMEDIATE LEFT HAND TURN.

THE SITE PLAN, AS PROPOSED, WOULD REMOVE 22 SPACES ALONG THIS NORTHERN PROPERTY.

RIGHT NOW, THERE'S 18 SPACES ON THE SITE.

ON THE GAS STATION SITE, THEY'LL GO TO 36 SPACES.

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THE TWO LOT LINES, THIS LOT LINE WILL BE PUSHED SLIGHTLY TO THE NORTH.

YOU CAN SEE THE CONFIGURATION.

THIS IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.

IN TERMS OF THE RETAIL, YOU CAN SEE THE SPECIFICS.

THERE'LL BE ACTUALLY 37 SPACES ON SITE AND THEN 383 FOR THE ENTIRE SITE.

THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED AT THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.

THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS ON THE FACADE AND CREATING A LITTLE BIT MORE ARTICULATION AND BREAKING UP THAT FACADE, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED.

THE COMMENTS CAPSULIZED OR SUMMARIZED BY P&Z INDICATE THAT THEY SHOULD PROVIDE ADEQUATE SCREENING ON THE ROOF.

NOT AWARE THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED THIS, BUT THE APPLICANT MAY BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS ANY ROOFTOP AMOUNT EQUIPMENT.

BUT THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, THAT AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT CANNOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE ADJACENT RIGHT OF WAY.

EVALUATE AND ADDRESS ADDITIONAL MATERIALS FEATURES, PARTICULARLY IN THE NORTH AND THE WEST.

STUCCO AND BRICK FEATURES HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE EAST AND WEST, AND THE NORTH ELEVATION AWNINGS HAVE BEEN ADDED OVER THE DOORS ON THE NORTH SIDE.

THEY'VE INCREASED THE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL ARTICULATION OFFSETS SINCE THE P&Z SAW IT.

THE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL ARTICULATION OFFSETS DO MEET THE 15 PERCENT ARTICULATION, BUT THE RUN IS NOT MORE THAN 25 PERCENT OF EITHER ADJACENT PLANE, WHICH IS DIFFICULT TO DO ON THESE SMALLER BUILDINGS JUST BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE LENGTH THAT YOU HAVE ON SOME OF THE LARGER BUILDINGS.

SO THEY'RE SLIGHTLY UNDER THAT RUN OF THAT ARTICULATED PORTION.

THE ALSO, THE APPLICANT WAS ASKED TO ADDRESS DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE ENTRY AND EXIT POINTS FOR THE DRIVE-THRU ON THE EAST SIDE, AND THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME CONCEPTS WHICH HAVE ANGLED THE DRIVE-THRU AREA BACK TO THE SOUTH.

THEY ALSO PROPOSING SOME SOME TRAFFIC SIGNAGE DO NOT ENTER SIGN ON THE PAVEMENT SIGNAGE TO HELP ELIMINATE THAT LEFT HAND TURN THAT MAY OCCUR.

SO THIS IS THE REVISED SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE ANGLED DRIVE-THRU OR STACKING ANGLED BACK TOWARDS THE SOUTH.

THE DO NOT ENTER SIGNAGE ON THE PAVEMENT WITH THE STRIPING TO DISCOURAGE THAT MOVEMENT, SO THE DRIVE THE [INAUDIBLE] WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH AND THEN BACK AROUND AND WOULD STACK IN THIS DRIVE LANE VERSUS CREATING A CONFLICT POINT HERE.

OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS LOOKED AT THAT.

HE'S MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS OPTION THAN THE PREVIOUS OPTION.

AND SO THIS IS JUST A DETAIL THAT SHOWS THAT ANGLE COMING IN MORE SOUTHERLY THE SIGNAGE, THE STRIPING, THE DO NOT ENTER THERE.

THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT DID MENTIONED THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A NOSE OUT HERE TO KIND OF FORCE, MAKE SURE THAT LEFT HAND TURN MOVEMENT DOESN'T OCCUR.

WE'D HAVE TO GET WITH FIRE TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE OK WITH ANY CURB EXTENSION IN HERE THAT WOULD EXTEND THAT.

BUT GENERALLY, THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE OPTION TO THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE LETTER THAT WAS HANDED OUT.

THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENT REGARDING THIS DRIVE HERE THAT WITH THE RECONFIGURATION, THERE WOULD BE THE ABILITY TO COME DIRECTLY INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER AT THIS DRIVE.

AND WHILE DOESN'T FEEL BE A MAJOR CONCERN, THEY WANTED TO POINT IT OUT THAT RIGHT HAND TURN WOULD ALLOW THAT DIRECT MOVEMENT TO TAKE PLACE ON THE SHOPPING CENTER.

IN TERMS OF THE EXISTING S-P-2 PERMIT IT USES, ANY OF THE C-3 USES WOULD BE PERMITTED, WHICH INCLUDES THE C-2 USES.

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EXCLUDING THESE USES THAT HAVE BEEN LISTED HERE ON THE SLIDE WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM USES IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN THEY'VE UPDATED THE S-P-2 REGULATIONS TO REFLECT THE PARKING NOW THAT THE TWO TWO SITES ARE COMBINED.

THERE IS SOME SHARED PARKING THAT IS ON CITY PROPERTY THAT WAS PUT IN TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE TENNIS CENTER AND TO THE PARK AREA.

THESE LOTS HERE, THERE'S 18 SPACES HERE AND SOME PARALLEL SPACES THAT ARE ON CITY PROPERTY THAT WERE BUILT WITH A PREVIOUS REZONING, AND THOSE SPACES ARE COUNTED INTO THE CALCULATION.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL'S AWARE THOSE ARE ON CITY PROPERTY, BUT THOSE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN A SHARED TYPE AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PARK.

THIS IS THE TRAFFIC GENERATION COMPARISON, JUST A DEMOLITION PLAN.

THE APPLICANT HASN'T INDICATED CONSTRUCTION OF A SITE WHERE CONSTRUCTION WOULD COME FROM IF IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO ANY DRIVE.

COUNCIL MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IF THERE IS AN OPTIMAL OPTION FOR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC TO ENTER THE SITE AS PART OF YOUR DELIBERATION.

LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE SITE WILL MEET ALL LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.

THERE ARE SOME REGULATIONS THAT EXEMPT THE BUFFER YARD REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS TYPICAL IN THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE LOTS DIVIDED, LOTS IN A LARGER DEVELOPMENT.

TREE PRESERVATION PLAN REMOVING SOME TREES PRIMARILY FOR THE DRIVE-THRU.

THESE ARE THE REVISED ELEVATION WHERE THEY'VE CREATED SOME IMPROVED ARTICULATION AND BROKEN UP THOSE FACADES.

THIS IS THE SOUTH FACADE, THE WEST FACADE, AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE VERTICAL ARTICULATION INCREASE THE NORTH ELEVATION.

THEY'VE BROKEN UP THAT BACK OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THE EAST ELEVATION.

THIS IS THE DUMPSTER, THE BRICK WILL MATCH THE BRICK OF THE BUILDING.

AND A COUPLE OF VIEWS OF THE SITE.

THE SIGN JUST TO POINT OUT, THE SIGN WAS TIED TO THE GAS STATION USE, SO ANY REPURPOSING OF THE EXISTING SIGN WILL REQUIRE.

A SIGN VARIANCE TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE FOCUS OF THE ENTRY POINTS ON THAT IMMEDIATE LEFT INTO THE GAS STATION SITE.

DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES.

THE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 6-0 AGAIN ASKING THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON SCREENING OF ANY ROOF MOUNTED EQUIPMENT, THE MATERIALS, THE DESIGN FEATURES THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED AND CHANGING THOSE, AND THEY ALSO CAME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS TO IMPROVE THE INTERNAL CIRCULATION FOR THE DRIVE-THRU.

THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.

THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR BAKER.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? CAN YOU REFERENCE AGAIN THE S-P-2 REGULATIONS ON WHAT ARE DENIED USES? OR DO WE EVEN HAVE A SLIDE THAT WOULD SHOW WHAT THE APPROVED USES ARE? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A COFFEE/DONUT SHOP.

RESTAURANTS ARE PERMITTED, THESE ARE THE USES THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED IN THE C-2 C-3.

THE RESTAURANT USE IS A PERMITTED USE IN C-2 C-3 AND THEY ARE ASKING TO RETAIN THAT PARTICULAR USE SO FAST FOOD WOULD FALL UNDER RESTAURANT? THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN.

YES.

SO IT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT IF A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT IS A CONCERN, THERE WOULD BE WAYS TO LIST THAT AS A A PROHIBITED USE WHILE STILL MAYBE ALLOWING MORE OF A COFFEE OR BAGEL TYPE OR ICE CREAM SOMETHING TO THAT SCALE.

OK, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OK, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? GOOD EVENING, SIR.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

CLAY CRISTY, CLAYMOORE ENGINEERING 1903 CENTRAL DRIVE, BEDFORD, TEXAS.

PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.

I'VE GOT ABOUT A 42 PAGE SLIDE HERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS EVENING, SO PLEASE BE PATIENT.

KEN'S DONE A GREAT JOB PRESENTING HIS PROJECT WITH US.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF.

THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT I WANT TO CLARIFY, AND LET'S JUST KIND OF GET TO THE MEAT AND THE BONES OF IT, SO TO SPEAK, IS THAT AT P&Z, WE'VE GONE THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

WE HAVE THE EXISTING TEXACO WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM HERE, WE HAVE THE TEXACO IS KIND OF SERVED ITS LIFESTYLE RIGHT THERE FOR A WHILE.

IT'S TIME TO CHANGE IT UP.

WE WANT TO BRING SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF FITS IN WITH THE

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NATURE OF THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER AND BRINGS BACK TO LIFE THAT CORNER.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO REZONE IT JUST SHORT OF 5000 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S A MIXED USE RESTAURANT RETAIL.

WHILE WE'RE AT P&Z, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN HERE BEFORE YOU; I KIND OF HAVE IT BLOWN UP OVER HERE ON THE SIDE SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN KIND OF SEE.

IN THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER RIGHT HERE, LIKE MR. BAKER WAS SAYING, THAT WAS THE ISSUE OF TOPIC OF TRAFFIC BACKING UP INTO THAT CORNER AND US TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD EVALUATE THAT CORNER, HOW WE COULD KIND OF CONTROL TRAFFIC.

THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO OPTIONS PRESENTED HERE, AND SORRY IF WE WEREN'T CLEAR ON SOME OF OUR RESPONSES THERE WITH STAFF WHEN WE WERE GETTING US BACK, THIS FIRST OPTION RIGHT HERE NARROWS THAT THROAT OUT, EXITING TO THAT WHITE CHAPEL TO A ONE LANE EXIT.

IT'S NOT A FULL TWENTY FOUR FOOT DRIVE, IT'S HALF THAT, SO IT'S 12.

IT WOULD BE MARKED AND NOTICED AS AN EXIT.

WE ALSO ADDED A LITTLE NOOK ON THE BOTTOM OF THE DRIVE SO THAT WHENEVER YOU'RE ON AN AUTO TURN, IF THERE WAS SOMEBODY COMING IN OFF WHITE CHAPEL AND THEY TRIED TO ENTER THROUGH THAT, THEY COULDN'T PHYSICALLY MAKE A U-TURN AND GET IN LINE WITHOUT DOING AN AUSTIN POWERS TYPE MOVE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PREVENT THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.

THIS OPTION WAS ABLE TO RETAIN THE PARKING COUNT OF WHAT WE HAD WITH THE ORIGINAL OPTION BECAUSE WE ARE CONCERNED AND WE DID RECEIVE CONCERN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PARKING COUNT.

WE DO FEEL THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH TO SERVICE THE SITE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN AS LARGE OF A SHOPPING CENTER THERE'S SHARED OPPORTUNITIES HERE, SO ON AND SO FORTH TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MARKET THAT AND WE MARK THAT AS DO NOT ENTER, AS WELL AS JUST NARROWING THAT DOWN, MAKING IT TO WHERE IT'S VERY HARD FOR VEHICLES TO ACTUALLY ENTER IN AND FOR SURE, GET IN THROUGH THAT DRIVE-THRU ENTRANCE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT KIND OF WENT IN WITH THAT.

JUST TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT ON THOSE OTHER IN PARTICULAR THE FACADE THAT FACES BACK INTO THE TOM THUMB.

THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT DRESSING IT UP.

ONE THING AND ALSO THAT WE DID TO SCREEN THAT, WHICH WAS TO MAKE SURE AND ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING BACK THERE IN THE BACK TO CREATE THAT BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO.

IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S REQUIRED BY CODE, WE HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL SCREENING TO TRY TO HELP COMPLEMENT THE CENTER.

THIS OTHER OPTION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE IS THE ACTUAL SECOND OPTION.

THIS ACTUALLY CONVERTS ALL THE PARKING ON THAT EASTERLY SIDE ALONG WHITE CHAPEL TO ANGLED PARKING.

SO THAT DRIVE ACTUALLY BECOMES A ONE WAY DRIVE AISLE SO THAT WHENEVER YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN WHAT I SHOWED YOU IN THE FIRST OPTION.

BUT IT ACTUALLY FORCES ALL THE PARKING AND EVERYTHING GET DOWN TO WHERE IT'S ANGLED TO WHERE WHENEVER THAT'S A ONE WAY CIRCULATION AND IT'S ONLY A NORTHWARD MOVEMENT.

IT'S NOT NARROWED DOWN, IT'S NOT NECK DOWN, BUT IT IS A ONE WAY MOVEMENT.

AGAIN, WE HAVE IT TO WHERE IT'S TOUGH TO COME IN AND MAKE THAT HORSESHOE, BUT TO HAVE THE ANGLED PARKING LIKE THAT, THAT DRIVEWAY IS A LITTLE BIT WIDER IN THERE.

THIS OPTION, AND THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T PUT THIS AS OPTION NUMBER ONE, IS THAT THIS DOES LOSE ANOTHER FOUR PARKING SPACES FOR US.

AND SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THAT, BUT WE WANT TO DISCUSS, TALK WITH YOU GUYS AND THOSE TWO OPTIONS.

I KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S QUITE A FEW PARKING SPACES, BUT WE DO WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT.

WHAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE BETWEEN OPTION ONE AND TWO? PERSONALLY, I LIKE OPTION ONE.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT THERE.

JUST BECAUSE OF THE 90 DEGREE PARKS THAT ALLOWS CIRCULATION TO GO BACK AND FORTH THERE.

I STILL THINK THAT WE CAN PREVENT TRAFFIC FROM COMING IN ON THAT WITH THAT NARROW DRIVE.

I MEAN, ARE YOU EVER GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THAT TURN? I MEAN, YOU CAN'T PREVENT THAT FROM I MEAN, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, SOMEONE'S GOING TO TRY IT.

BUT IF YOU DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO DISCOURAGE IT, YOU MAKE IT TOUGH TO WHERE A CAR CAN'T DO THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENT.

I THINK WITH THIS ONE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT WIDER DRIVE AISLE.

AND WITH THAT BEING THE 20 FOOT DRIVE AISLE VERSUS THE 12, I THINK THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY TO TRY TO GO IN AND DOWN THE WRONG WAY DOWN THE ONE WAY

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STREET AND TRY TO TURN AROUND.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE HAD THAT PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS TO KIND OF GIVE YOU OPTIONS.

THE ELEVATIONS, WE WORKED WITH THE ELEVATIONS, AND AGAIN, I'LL TAKE BLAME ON THIS WITH STAFF.

IN REGARDS TO THE SCREENING, I KNOW THEY SAID THAT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY ADDRESS THAT AND OUR REVISED ELEVATIONS THAT WE HAD.

WE DID SHOW THE SCREEN LINE ON WHERE THE ROOF IS IN COMPARISON TO THE TOP.

THE SCREENING ON AT THE NARROWEST POINT IS GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET FROM THE TOP OF THE ROOF ON THE INSIDE OF THE TOP OF THE PARAPET, AND IT GROWS.

ON MOST AREAS IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT SIX FEET.

SO WE SHOULD HAVE NO ISSUES SCREENING ANY TYPE OF LIKE A THREE TON ROOF UNIT.

THOSE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE ABOUT 36 INCHES TALL.

YOU PUT IT ON A 12 INCH CURB HERE AND BE ABOUT FOUR FOOT TALL, SO THERE'S STILL AN EXTRA FOOT THERE FOR SCREENING, SO I APOLOGIZE.

THAT'S MY FAULT FOR NOT GETTING THAT BACK TO STAFF, AS FAR AS SCREENING GOES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO MY APOLOGIES.

BUT WE DID TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION AND WE DO HAVE EVERY INTENTION TO SCREEN WHERE IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.

AND WE ACTUALLY DID SOME FOLLOW UP RENDERINGS THAT WE DID THAT RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF WHITE CHAPEL AND 1709 RIGHT THERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A FAIRLY LARGE GRADE DIFFERENCE.

WE DID LOOK AT IT FROM A PERSPECTIVE THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN THOUGH THAT'S ABOUT FIVE SIX FEET HIGHER, YOU'RE STILL CLEAR AND YOU DON'T SEE THE UNITS.

SO WITH THAT, LIKE I SAID, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND TO FURTHER DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU GUYS, WITH THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED.

WE DID HAVE, LIKE I SAID, WE DID TRY TO PUT SOME THOUGHT.

WE DID TRY TO GET AWAY BECAUSE WE DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THAT INTERSECTION AND THE TRAFFIC COMING IN OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? CHAD, YOU WANT TO ASK? YEAH, SURE.

CLAY, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS OBVIOUSLY TRAFFIC CONTROL, RIGHT COMING IN OFF WHITE CHAPEL AND THEN ALSO INGRESS EGRESS OFF OF SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

SO I'M ASSUMING AS YOUR PATRONS EXIT THE DRIVE-THRU, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO EXIT ONTO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

OR DO THEY HAVE TO TURN AROUND THE PARKING LOT AND THEN EXIT ONTO WHITE CHAPEL? THEY'D LEAVE, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THIS OPTION RIGHT HERE, THEY'D BE HEADED SOUTH.

AND SO THEY WOULD HEAD SOUTH AND THEN THEY'D HEAD OUT TO THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY.

OK, SO AS TRAFFIC'S COMING IN TO GET INTO THAT STACKING FOR THE DRIVE-THRU, THEY'RE GOING TO BE CROSSING OVER SOMEONE THAT'S TRYING TO EXIT THE DRIVE-THRU AS WELL? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF IF I'M PULLING IN HERE, I'M GOING TO PULL ALL THE WAY AROUND, RIGHT? I'M GOING TO GO WEST OF THE BUILDING AND COME AROUND THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING TO GET INTO THAT STACKING LANE FOR THE DRIVE-THRU.

IF I'M COMING FROM WHITE CHAPEL, I'M DRIVING BEHIND THE BUILDING, COMING AROUND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THEN GETTING INTO THAT STACKING LANE.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND THEN WHEN I GO TO EXIT AND I EXIT OUT ONTO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, I'M GOING TO BE CROSSING THE SAME TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING AROUND THE SAME AREA.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DID YOU LOOK AT FLIPPING IT AND SEE WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE COMING IN FROM THE OTHER WAY OR ANY OTHER? IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE CROSSING A LOT OF TRAFFIC, AND IT'S--SO THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT UNCOMMON WHENEVER YOU HAVE CROSS ACCESS.

ANYTIME THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE LIKE A DRIVE-THRU OR NOT EVEN JUST A DRIVE-THRU, BUT WHENEVER YOU HAVE RETAIL OR SOMETHING THAT GETS IN A STRIP AND A ROW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY EXITING AND TURNING INTO WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE EXIT POINTS COMING INTO THAT.

SO IN A SHARED SHOPPING CENTER, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CROSSING TRAFFIC LIKE THAT.

THAT'S KIND OF INHERENT WHENEVER YOU HAVE DIRECTIONS, TRAFFIC COMING FROM EVERYTHING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC COMING, POTENTIALLY FROM THE RETAIL COMING OVER TO GET IN LINE.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT.

AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON CONDITION.

WE DID LOOK AT ACTUALLY ROTATING THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY AROUND AND PUTTING IT IN THE CORNER.

BUT WHAT'S GOING TO WIND UP HAPPENING IS YOU'RE GOING TO END UP PUTTING YOUR BUTT NEXT TO 1709 AND WHITE CHAPEL.

AND WE DIDN'T THINK AS DEVELOPING THAT WE CAN TRY TO DRESS UP THAT BUILDING.

WE COULD PUT SOMETHING REALLY NICE IN THE FRONT OF IT.

YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A DRIVE-THRU AT THE CORNER OF 1709 AND WHITE CHAPEL.

WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS THE CHARACTER.

WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS THE DRESSING UP.

WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'D WANT TO SEE SITTING AT THE INTERSECTION OF WHITE CHAPEL IN 1709, GIVEN SOUTHLAKE.

AND SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE ROTATED AROUND THE WAY THAT IT IS SO THAT YOU GET THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, YOU GET THE FRONT OF THE SITE SO THAT YOU'RE SEEING THE FRONT OF A BUILDING AND NOT THE BACK OF IT.

BECAUSE WE DID LOOK AT THAT OPTION WHERE YOU'D HAVE THE DRIVE-THRU, YOU COULD ESSENTIALLY PUT PARKING IN THE BACK, YOU MOVE THE BUILDING IN THE FRONT.

BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THAT MEANS YOU HAD TO ROTATE THAT BUILDING 180 DEGREES, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE OPERATIONS OF A DRIVE-THRU LOOKING AT THE FRONT.

AND WE JUST DIDN'T THINK THAT FROM A MARKETABILITY STANDPOINT, FROM US, FROM A VISIBILITY STANDPOINT FROM THE CITY, WE JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT AS BEING THE MOST VIABLE SOLUTION.

OK.

APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.

DID YOU DID YOU LOOK AT...ALL I CAN THINK OF IS, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVE-THRU SITUATION WE HAVE IN ANOTHER PART OF TOWN.

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SO IN THINKING OF EXITING, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE IDEAL TO FORCE FORCE PEOPLE TO EXIT BACK ONTO WHITE CHAPEL BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN GO NORTH OR SOUTH AND THEN MAKE YOUR CHOICE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SCOOT OUT ON TO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GO.

SO DID YOU LOOK AT THAT AT ALL? LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE MS. TALLEY BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY ONLY CHOICE IS TO THEN EXIT ONTO RELATIVELY, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, LIKE YOU SAID, PEOPLE WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

BUT I WOULD MUCH RATHER BE PUSHED BACK OUT ONTO WHITE CHAPEL SO I CAN MAKE A DECISION WHERE I WANT TO GO, WHETHER IT'S SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, WHETHER IT'S NORTH OR SOUTH ON WISE CHAPEL VERSUS BEING PUSHED OUT ONTO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

SO YOU STILL HAVE THE OPTION.

WITH THIS SITE PLAN THE WAY THAT IT IS, YOU HAVE THE OPTION.

IF YOU LEAVE THE DRIVE-THRU RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN STILL LOOP AROUND AND GO RIGHT BACK TO WHITE CHAPEL.

OK.

THERE'S NOTHING.

YES, MA'AM, YOU CAN START, I HAVE THE MOUSE RIGHT HERE.

SO YOU'RE IN THIS CAR RIGHT HERE, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN COME DOWN THROUGH HERE, EXIT OUT THIS WAY AND COME TO WHITE CHAPEL AND YOU CAN EITHER A CONTINUE ON AND GO INTO THE TOM THUMB OR THE OTHER RETAIL.

OR YOU CAN HAVE A RIGHT RIGHT HERE AND COME BACK OUT TO WHITE CHAPEL AND YOU CAN GO, LIKE YOU SAID, EITHER NORTH OR SOUTH AT THAT POINT.

OR YOU COULD EVEN LOOP BACK AROUND AND COME BACK THIS WAY IN EXIT ONE OR THE OTHER TWO EXITS HERE ON 1709.

IF YOU SO CHOOSE WHAT WE WHAT WE DID PREVENT IN THIS OPTION.

AND I THINK THE MAIN CONCERN WAS PEOPLE FOR ENTERING OFF WHITE CHAPEL.

WHAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS PEOPLE ENTERING OFF WHITE CHAPEL, COMING IN RIGHT HERE AND THEN TRYING TO MAKE THE IMMEDIATE TURN INTO HERE AND THEN BACKING UP AS A POPULAR CHICKEN RESTAURANT THAT YOU MIGHT BE REFERENCING GETS OUT INTO THE ROAD.

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE.

AND SO THAT WAS THE CONCERN THAT WE HAD AT P&Z.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS HERE IS IS TRYING TO SOLVE TO WHERE WHENEVER THERE IS A STACKING, WHENEVER THERE IS A PEAK TIME COMING THROUGH THAT DRIVE-THRU THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT PEAK TIME CONFIGURED IN A WAY TO WHERE IT WOULD NOT IMPACT THE CITY STREETS.

IT WOULD NOT IMPACT THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXITS INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER.

OK, SO IF YOU CAN PUT YOUR CURSOR BACK KIND OF JUST BELOW WHERE IT IS.

OKAY, SO RIGHT THERE, I'VE BEEN AT THE COFFEE SHOP IN GRAPEVINE DURING PEAK TIMES, AND MY CONCERN WITH THIS CONFIGURATION WOULD BE THAT THE CARS COULD COME OUT AND ACTUALLY BLOCK THAT EXIT RIGHT THERE.

SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING AROUND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY CAN LEAVE.

AND OBVIOUSLY, ONCE WHATEVER IT IS, IF PEOPLE GET USED TO IT, THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.

BUT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO DON'T, RIGHT? AND SO I'M JUST PRETTY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AREA UP THERE IN TERMS OF THE STACKING AND PEAK TIMES AND PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO SO IF THEY WANTED TO LOOP AROUND AND LEAVE.

WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO IF THERE'S SOME PARKING SPACES TAKEN IN? THE CARS ARE NOW BACKING OUT INTO THAT AREA? YES, THAT IS WHY THAT'S YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXACT SAME SITUATION THAT WE DISCUSSED TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION AT P&Z.

AND SO AND THE OTHER OPTION I WAS KIND OF TALKING FROM THERE.

THIS IS THE OTHER OPTION THAT I HAD WHERE THIS DRIVEWAY, IF YOU NOTICE RIGHT HERE ON THIS DRIVE NOW THAT DRIVEWAY IS NECK DOWN, THAT'S ONLY A 12 FOOT.

SO THAT'S LIKE AN EXIT ONLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A NARROW DRIVE VERSUS THE OTHER ONE WAS THE ONE WAY DRIVE WITH THE ANGLED PARKING.

THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT NARROWER TO REALLY HELP PREVENT PEOPLE, AND YOU NOTICE HOW EVEN MR. BAKER WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT NOTCH OUT THAT DRIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WELL, THIS IS THE OPTION THAT HAS THAT NOTCH OUT TO REALLY TRY TO NARROW THAT DOWN AND REALLY TRY TO FOCUS THAT TO WHERE SOMEBODY CAN'T COME IN AND PREVENT THAT.

I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY IN THEIR FOUR WHEEL DRIVE YUKON AND THEY COME TRY TO DRIVE OVER THE CURB, THEY CAN GO DRIVE OVER CURBS.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE DID LOOK AT THIS FROM AN AUTO TURN TYPE STANDPOINT OF A CAR TRYING TO BACK IN.

AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THAT CURB AND THIS LITTLE NOOK RIGHT HERE, RIGHT THERE PREVENTS SOMEBODY FROM IF THEY GO IN AND THEY COME, TRY TO DO THAT IN A NORMAL VEHICLE, IN A NORMAL CAR, THEY CAN'T MAKE THAT TURN WITHOUT JUMPING CURBS.

THEY JUST CAN'T.

AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE WILLING TO OBVIOUSLY STRIPE IT, PUT UP SIGNAGE, DO NOT ENTER AND DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO PREVENT THAT.

THE OTHER THING TO LOOK AT IN HERE IS THAT IN OUR TRAFFIC STUDY, WE DID TRY TO TAKE ONE OF THE MOST INTENSE USES FROM A DRIVE-THRU STACKING STANDPOINT, WHICH IS A COFFEE USE.

COFFEE USES IN THE PEAK MORNING, THE PEAK AM, THEY GET THE LONGEST DRIVE-THRU

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STACKING LANES COMPARED TO OTHER RESTAURANT RETAILERS.

AND SO THIS PLAN OPTION AND THIS IS WHY THIS LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN EVEN WHATEVER YOU GUYS SAW THIS FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE PART OF THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE THAT SAW IT THERE, IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOT BROUGHT UP TO US WAS THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT STACKING FOR THE DRIVE-THRU AND THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO BACK IT UP.

AND THEY WANTED US TO BRING A QUEUING ANALYSIS FOR THE DRIVE-THRU WITH A COFFEE SHOP AND THE ADOPTED CITY STANDARDS FOR THE TRAFFIC IMPACT AND THE TRAFFIC STANDARDS.

NINETY FIVE PERCENT OF THE TIME, THE 95TH PERCENTILE FOR TRAFFIC 11 QUEUING STACKING SPACES IS THE MAX THAT THEY WOULD SEE FOR NINETY FIVE PERCENT OF THE TIME.

AND THAT'S JUST USING THE STANDARD TYPE TRAFFIC MANUAL [INAUDIBLE] CALCULATIONS.

I KNOW WE'VE ALL SEEN DRIVE-THRU THAT ARE LONGER THAN THAT.

I KNOW THAT WE HAVE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY HERE THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE 11, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE TRYING TO CONFIGURE THIS THAT WAY.

BUT GIVEN THE TRAFFIC STANDARDS AND THE TRAFFIC MANUALS FOR MODELING THAT FOR A SMALLER COFFEE SHOP, THAT IS WHAT DETERMINES THAT AND WE'RE AT 11 STACKING SPACES.

AND THEN AGAIN, WE'VE TRIED TO CONFIGURE THIS IN A WAY TO WHERE IT'LL STACK BACK ON OUR SITE IF IT EXCEEDS THAT AND IT WON'T ENCROACH ON THE WHITE CHAPEL.

WELL, I MEAN, AND YOU KNOW, I FREQUENT THE NOLAN COFFEE SHOP A LOT AS WELL, WHICH HAS A DRIVE-THRU.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE PLENTY OF DAYS WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 11 CARS, FAR MORE.

IN FACT, IT'S BACKED UP TO ALMOST TO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD ON SOME OCCASIONS.

SO I GUESS THIS AREA, I JUST HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AREA FROM ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS AND ANGLES.

SO, TWO TENANTS OR ONE TENANT? PARDON ME.

TWO TENANTS OR ONE TENANT IN THIS BUILDING? SORRY, MR. ROBBINS, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME--TWO TENANTS OR ONE TENANT.

TWO TENANTS.

WELL, THERE'D BE MULTI-TENANT RIGHT THERE.

SO, WE HAVE A SPLIT RIGHT NOW AS A RESTAURANT AND A RETAIL.

YES, SIR.

WILL THE ELEVATION REMAIN THE SAME THAT DRAMATIC DROP OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL INTO THAT LOT? THERE WOULD BE.

YES, SIR.

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY CHANGE THAT WITH GIVEN WE'RE HAVING A TIE IN TO THE TOM THUMB PARKING LOT.

SO I CAN'T CHANGE THOSE GRADES THAT DRASTICALLY.

SO OK.

AND THAT LEADS ME TO MY SECOND QUESTION WHEN YOU'RE RENOVATING A CORNER THAT'S A GAS STATION LIKE THAT.

WHAT HAPPENS ENVIRONMENTALLY? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE TO TEAR OUT ALL THOSE TANKS? SO WILL THAT ENTIRE PARKING LOT, IT'LL ALL COME OUT IN FRESH CONCRETE OR GO DOWN FOR THAT BASICALLY YOUR WHOLE LOT? CORRECT.

AND THAT'S A PRETTY JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL WORK ON THOSE TANKS.

BEING ABLE TO PULL IT OUT.

SO IS THERE NO WAY TO POSSIBLY PARTNER WITH THE OWNER OF THAT ENTIRE CORNER, THE TOM THUMB OR EVERYTHING THAT WHOEVER THAT IS, TO TRY TO MITIGATE THAT DRAMATIC DROP OFF? IS THERE ANY WAY BECAUSE LET ME GO WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? I DON'T.

I HATE FARMING ANYTHING OUT TO WHITE CHAPEL AT ALL THERE.

THAT IS, IF YOU DON'T DRIVE IT OFTEN, IT'S A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE EXIT FROM THAT PARKING LOT.

I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE FACING STRAIGHT UP.

OFTENTIMES, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE THEY THINK THEY CAN GET OUT BEFORE A CAR COMING FROM THE SOUTH CAN GET TO THEM.

AND IT'S JUST YOU'VE REALLY GOT TO GET ON THE ACCELERATOR TO GET UP AND OVER, AND IT'S NOT AN IDEAL SETUP.

AND IS THERE ANY WAY TO MITIGATE THAT WITH THIS RECONSTRUCTION.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE VERY LIMITED JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS ON THE TOM THUMB AND ACTUALLY THE OWNER OF THIS SHOPPING CENTER IS ALSO THE OWNER OF TOM THUMB.

SO WE HAVE THAT IN MIND AND WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO KIND OF CORRELATE THAT.

THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE THE PROPERTY LINES TO HELP ACCOMMODATE GET SOME MORE STACKING, TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER ON THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GO BACK.

I KNOW YOU HAVE THAT PICTURE OF THAT GRADE DIFFERENCE.

THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO GET TO OVER THERE.

BUT THE CHALLENGE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IS THAT YOU WOULD WIND UP HAVING TO REPLACE THE WHOLE ENTIRE TOM THUMB.

I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RAISING THAT WHOLE PARKING LOT THREE OR FOUR FEET.

RIGHT.

AND YOU YOU'RE GOING TO BE KICKING.

I MEAN, LIKE IF I RAISE THIS ENTRANCE UP TWO FEET TO MAKE IT FLAT, WELL, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO CHASE THAT TWO FEET INTO THE TOM THUMB PARKING LOT.

NO, I HEAR YOU.

I JUST I DIDN'T KNOW FROM A CONSTRUCTION WAY, IS THERE ANY WAY TO JUST SORT OF TAPER THAT A LITTLE SMOOTHER IN TOM THUMB? IT'S A TOUGH IT'S A TOUGH SITE.

I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN WE'VE WE'VE ACTUALLY WE HAD TO RUN QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT GRADING SCENARIOS JUST TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAD HERE WAS ADA ACCESS GETTING IT TO THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE SITE DOESN'T HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE SITE.

AND WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT IT, WE REALIZED THAT THERE WAS A PUBLIC SIDEWALK SIX FEET ABOVE THE FINISH FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.

AND HOW DO YOU GET ACCESS ON THAT? AND SO WE'VE WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO SCOUR THROUGH THE GRADING AND FIGURING OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS.

AND I THINK THAT ANGLE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IS RIGHT.

THERE IT IS, IS ONE OF THOSE GREAT ANGLES OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND IT'S JUST TOUGH WHENEVER THAT THING DROPS, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME YOU'RE AT THE STOP SIGN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE RIGHT THERE, I MEAN, WE WE KNOW THAT'S WHERE I SHOP FOR GROCERIES, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FOUR FEET DOWN.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY GOOD WAYS DOWN.

THREE AND A HALF FEET DOWN.

SO IT'S DEFINITELY NOT YOUR PROBLEM.

I ALWAYS LOOK FOR A WAY TO FIX SOMETHING, AND RIGHT NOW YOU CAN SEE THAT RAPID

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ELEVATION DOWNHILL COMING OFF OF 1709, COMPETING WITH A CAR GOING UPHILL, TRYING TO GET OVER.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU HESITATE AT ALL, YOU'RE PUTTING YOURSELF.

NOT TO MENTION, THERE'S A LOT OF SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC COMING QUICKLY, TOO.

SO THAT'S JUST A BAD ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE.

YES, SIR, I UNDERSTAND.

WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE TO FACING IT INTO IN TO TOM THUMB SO THAT YOUR DRIVE-THRU GOES AROUND AND COMES OUT INTO TOM THUMB AND THEY CAN EASILY GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? THERE'S A COUPLE.

I MEAN, THE MAIN THING IS TO BE MARKETABILITY AND VISIBILITY WHENEVER YOU HAVE THE FRONT FACE OF YOUR BUILDING.

YOU CAN ALWAYS PUT SIGNAGE ON THE BACK OF IT, BUT AS YOU DRIVE BY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING THE BACK END OF THE BUILDING, WHICH MEANS WHENEVER YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT OR YOU HAVE RETAIL, THAT'S WHERE YOUR SERVICE, THAT'S WHERE YOUR DELIVERIES, THAT'S WHERE THINGS HAVE TO COME IN AND OUT OF YOUR BUILDING.

WHENEVER YOU HAVE YOU DRIVE-THRU, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE LIKE ORDER POINT IS SO THAT'S WHERE YOUR MENU BOARD IS GOING TO BE.

SO ANYBODY DRIVING UP AND DOWN 1709, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE FACE OF YOUR BUILDING.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING.

YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU SEE THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE BACK OF IT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A DRIVE-THRU.

AND JUST FROM A MARKETABILITY STANDPOINT, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE DID LOOK AT THAT.

WE ACTUALLY TOOK IT TO THE MARKETING TEAM.

WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS SENT BACK TO THEM, SENT TO VIABILITY FOR WHAT THEY THOUGHT THE MARKET COULD BEAR.

AND THAT OPTION DID NOT GET MUCH TRACTION AT ALL WHENEVER WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THAT ON THE MARKETING SIDE OF THIS DEAL.

AS LOW AS IT IS, YOU'RE DOWN THERE ANYWAY.

SO I WOULD THINK YOU COULD PUT PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SIGNAGE ON THE BACK AND PUT YOUR SIGN BOARD ON THE ON THE SIDE SO YOU DON'T SEE THAT.

BUT YEAH, I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW.

WHAT ABOUT HAVING THE FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING FACE OUT, BUT HAVING THAT BE THE DRIVE-THRU SIDE? SAY THAT AGAIN.

WHAT ABOUT HAVING THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACING THE WAY YOU WANT IT TO FACE, BUT HAVING THAT BE THE ACTUAL DRIVE-THRU SIDE? SO I'M JUST WONDERING, LIKE I KNOW YOU MENTIONED, NOT YOU, YOU LOOKED AT MOVING THE BUILDING MORE TOWARDS THE CORNER, I GUESS I WOULD.

SORRY, I THOUGHT I COULD [INAUDIBLE].

SOMEHOW WOULD LOVE TO SEE AN OPTION WHERE THE BUILDING IS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION IN THIS AREA AND WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OTHER DIFFERENT TRAFFIC PATTERN OPTIONS.

I DON'T KNOW.

THIS IS JUST IT'S A LOT.

IT'S A TOUGH ONE.

YEAH.

TOUGH SITE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO EXPLAIN TO EXPLAIN TO ME AGAIN, BECAUSE I MEAN, IF YOU'RE SAYING.

WELL, THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT I MEAN, I GUESS IN THE END, WHAT I'M REALLY WONDERING IS IF JUST ANOTHER OPTION WHERE THIS BUILDING IS MAYBE A LITTLE MORE IN THE CORNER BECAUSE AS COUNCILMAN ROBIN SAID, IT IS SUNK DOWN AND THERE IS THERE ARE FAIRLY LARGE TREES THERE.

YOU KNOW THAT EVERYTHING HAS GROWN UP OVER TIME.

SO JUST ANOTHER OPTION OR TWO WHERE THE BUILDING ISN'T NECESSARILY IN THIS AREA.

SO WE COULD SEE SOME OTHER DRIVE-THRU TRAFFIC PATTERN OPTIONS.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S JUST THAT IT'S JUST TALK.

IT'S JUST SO YOU GUYS WOULD RATHER SEE THE ORDER POINT, MENU BOARD AND SPEAKERS AND CARS STACKED UP ON 1709.

I'M ASKING FOR FEEDBACK STANDPOINT.

NO.

YEAH, YEAH.

I THINK THE STRUGGLE IS JUST REALLY FIGURING OUT HOW TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC FLOW.

YEAH, IT'S A REALLY TOUGH SITE.

I MEAN.

YOU HEAR THE STRUGGLE.

IT'S A REALLY TOUGH SITE.

AND WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO IS GET OUR HEAD AROUND HOW TO MAKE THIS BECAUSE BECAUSE WHAT I KNOW YOU APPRECIATE THIS, BUT WHAT WE'RE LIVING IN IS THE FEAR THAT WE'RE CREATING ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, KIMBALL 1709 SITUATION WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO.

SO WE'RE ALL STRUGGLING WITH THE SAME PROBLEMS. AND THAT'S I MEAN, MORE IDEAS ARE BETTER THAN FEWER.

SO ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE.

AND I MEAN, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, I MEAN, AND THIS COMES FROM WE HAVE A TWO TENANT SITE HERE, RIGHT? IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S TRAFFIC BACKING OUT ONTO WHITE CHAPEL, WHEN THERE'S A TRAFFIC DEAL, THAT RETAIL CENTER THAT'S GONNA BE RIGHT NEXT TO, IT'S GOING TO SUFFER.

IT'S GOING TO SUFFER ON THE TOM THUMB AS WELL.

LIKE I SAID, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE OWNERSHIP GROUP THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, OWNS THE CENTER HERE, SO WE DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING.

WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS.

WE DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO JEOPARDIZE THE I MEAN, THE TOM THUMB'S THE ANCHOR HERE, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE THE VIABLE ONE.

I MEAN, THEY'RE A LARGE TENANT HERE.

WE WANT TO PROTECT THAT.

DO YOU HAVE A USER THAT YOU'RE YOU DON'T.

WE DO NOT HAVE A USER.

SO DO YOU HAVE AN INTENDED LIKE SECTOR OF RESTAURANT SAID, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CONTRACTS.

THEY'VE BEEN SHOPPING THIS AROUND.

WE DID TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

WE WENT AND SET IT OUT TO THE MARKET TO SEE WHAT IT IS.

THE COFFEE SHOP GAINED SOME TRACTION WITH SOME FOLKS, BUT NOTHING EVER MATERIALIZED TO GO ANYTHING, EVEN TOWARDS AN LOI OR ANYTHING OF THAT AT THIS TIME.

SO BUT OBVIOUSLY, IF WE CAN GET THIS, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN WORK THROUGH IT, ALL RIGHT, THERE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE IT WHERE THERE IS ZONING IS IN PLACE AND THAT WE HAVE IT THERE.

[04:45:01]

WE CAN SAY THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO, THEN I THINK WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF TRACTION ON IT.

CAN WE BLOCK OFF THE.

SO YOU TALK ABOUT THE LITTLE CURB WHERE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A FUNKY U-TURN IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO? CAN WE JUST BLOCK THAT OFF SO THAT THEY'RE FORCED TO COME OUT THIS OTHER THIS OTHER MORE VIABLE EXIT ONTO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD? I AGREE WITH, I THINK IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON THAT THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD EXIT PEOPLE ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD BECAUSE THAT WHITE CHAPEL THING IS JUST GOOFY.

I MEAN, THEY COULD ENTER THERE AND THEN KIND OF WRAP AROUND THE BUILDING THE WAY OTHER DRIVE-THRUS DO WHERE THEY FORCE YOU.

I MEAN, THAT REALLY WOULD FORCE THEM JUST THINKING OUT LOUD KIND OF VERSUS HAVING PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE.

I GUARANTEE YOU LITTLE ITTY BITTY CARS ARE GOING TO TRY TO COME AROUND AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO PARK AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE BACKED UP HERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO SNEAK INTO THESE PARKING PLACES AND THEN RAMP AROUND AND NOT DRIVE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING.

SO THE ISSUE THAT WAS LEFT IS THAT IF YOU BLOCK THAT OFF RIGHT THERE, THEN WHAT YOU'D CREATE IS DEAD END PARKING FOR THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER.

SO THAT MEANS IT WOULD ONLY BE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.

AND SO I THINK THAT AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST ASKING MR BAKER ABOUT, WAS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ALL OF THAT PARKING FOR THAT ENTIRE BUILDING TO BE A DEAD END, AND WE'D HAD TO FIND A WAY TO LOOP THAT WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME OTHER KIND OF EXIT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT ON.

THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT THAT.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY.

I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO WORK HOW IT IS.

AND I CAN'T QUITE.

I THINK IT'S 11:30, AND I CAN'T QUITE WRAP MY HEAD AROUND WHAT TO MAKE, WHAT TO DO TO FIX IT.

BUT I DO FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND ISSUES DEPENDING ON WHAT TENANT GOES IN THERE.

I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS JUST HAVING TO DRIVE-THRU THERE.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE.

IF THERE WASN'T A DRIVE-THRU.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, WE'RE KIND OF DANCING AROUND THAT.

BUT THE REALITY IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO RE-ENGINEER THIS ON THE FLY.

THEY'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THIS SITE.

I MEAN, REALLY, THE CHOICE IS TO REASON THIS WITH THE DRIVE-THRU AND JUST TO ACCEPT THAT THEY'RE THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THE ENGINEERS AND THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OR REVISIT THE DECISION TO GIVE THEM A DRIVE-THRU.

THAT'S JUST IT.

WELL, AND JUST GO WITH WHERE MR. PATTON'S GOING WITH THIS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

I MEAN, THE DRIVE-THRUS CRITICAL FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

I MEAN, ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHAT WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS AND THE VIABILITY OF RESTAURANTS BEING ABLE TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY OF WHAT THAT IS AND WHAT THEY COME IN, BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, DRIVE-THRU MOBILE PICKUP TYPE ORDERING TYPE DEAL, WE HEAR WE HEAR YOU, BUT IT'S JUST THAT ALONE CONFIRMS THE CONCERN.

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.

I HEAR YOU.

I DO GET IT.

BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE CONCERN IS THAT IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS CONTINGENT, I MEAN, IF IT'S SO CRITICAL THAT BE THERE, THAT CONFIRMS THE CONCERN OF OF THE DRIVE-THRU BEING THE DRIVING FACTOR.

SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

I MEAN, THE REALITY IS I YOU LOOK AT ANY WHICH WAY YOU DRAW THIS UP, THAT'S IT COMES BACK TO THAT POINT.

MAYOR HUFFMAN JUST MADE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M IN THAT PARKING LOT WAY TOO OFTEN BECAUSE WE KIND OF HAVE A LOVE AFFAIR WITH CENTRAL MARKET AND TOM THUMB.

AND SO THE WHOLE TIME I'M THINKING, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO GO OUT RIGHT THERE ANYWAY.

SO TURN BACK AGAINST THAT LIP.

THAT'S FAR MORE PALATABLE IF I'M GOING STRAIGHT DOWN WHITE CHAPEL, I DON'T WANT TO TURN THERE AND THEN TURN AGAIN AND GET ON 1709.

IT'S MORE LOGICAL FOR ME TO GO BACK TOWARDS TOM THUMB AND COME OUT WITH THE OTHER ONE.

BUT YOU'RE STILL I MEAN, THAT'S STILL THE THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN A TINY, TINY AREA.

CERTAINLY WITH THE BUSY DRIVE-THRU.

AND THAT'S IT.

IT ALSO JUST DEPENDS WHAT IT IS, AND WE I MEAN, WE WERE TARGETING A COFFEE DONUT SHOP, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE COFFEE SHACK, IF YOU WILL, IN KELLER BY THE ACE [INAUDIBLE] PILED UP THERE BECAUSE THEY GET THEM IN AND THEY GET THEM OUT.

AND IT'S JUST A QUICK LITTLE LINE AND THEY WRAP AROUND A LITTLE BUILDING AND GET THEM IN AND GET THEM OUT.

SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A DESIGN SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY'VE GOT MULTIPLE LANES OR MULTIPLE PICKUP WINDOWS OR SOMETHING TO KIND OF MOVE PEOPLE THROUGH.

TO YOUR POINT.

AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, TOO.

[INAUDIBLE] THIS IS A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER PARKING LOT, AND IT'S FAR MORE ENTRY AND EXIT POINTS IN WHICH THIS IS A REALLY MORNING DRIVE SITE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS SITE IS NOT MORNING DRIVE SIDE.

THIS WOULDN'T BE OPTIMAL FOR COFFEE.

NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING EASTBOUND, YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY.

[04:50:03]

IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE COFFEE.

I MEAN, WHO KNOWS? BUT IN ALL HONESTY, I MEAN, HONESTLY, WE PUT THE COFFEE SHOP BECAUSE THAT HAS THE BIGGEST DRIVING FACTOR OF A TRAFFIC.

SURE, I GET IT TYPE DEAL FOR STACKING, FOR EVERYTHING, FOR WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE A COFFEE SHOP.

IT COULD BE A RESTAURANT.

IT COULD BE SOMETHING.

BUT THIS IS NOT YOUR THIS IS NOT IDEAL IF YOU WANT TO GO PUT IN A MORNING DRIVE TIME AND YOU WANT TO FIND YOUR A.M.

PEAK TRAFFIC.

YOUR A.M.

PEAK TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE EASTBOUND HEADED TOWARDS DALLAS, GOING UP TOWARDS 114 GOING THAT WAY.

THAT IS GOING TO BE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC THERE IN THE MORNING.

THEY'RE GOING TO WIND UP HAVING TO WANT TO GET THERE FOR WHAT THAT IS.

THAT IS.

TO YOUR POINT, THOUGH, THE ONE THING YOU MAY DO ONCE WHITE CHAPEL IS WIDENED.

YOU MAY HAVE PEOPLE THAT START START TURNING ONTO WHITE CHAPEL TO GET TO 114 AND START MAKING THIS LOOP.

AND THEN YOU'VE JUST INCREASED THE PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN LEFT ONTO WHITE CHAPEL IN THE MORNING COMING OUT OF THERE.

ONCE IT'S WIDENED.

I DON'T WANT TO I'M NOT DISCREDITING MR. ROBBINS, THAT'S A LOT OF IFS.

KEN, CAN I ASK A ZONING QUESTION? WHAT'S HOW DOES THE DRIVE-THRU WORK? IS THIS DOES OR DOES IT REQUIRE A REZONING TO GET A DRIVE-THRU INTO THE SPOT? OR DO THEY HAVE IT BY RIGHT? OR WHAT'S THE WHAT'S OUR LEVEL OF DISCRETION ON THAT? WELL, THIS IS AN SP ZONING, SO YOU CAN ALLOW IT, YOU CAN PROHIBIT IT.

YOU'VE GOT THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY WITH THESE TYPES OF ZONING.

SO.

SO IT'S NOT BY RIGHT.

IT'S UP TO US.

YES, SIR.

THE SP ZONING.

YOU CAN MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT.

HOWEVER, IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW IT, THE HOUSE CAN BE CONFIGURED.

YOU GOT THE GREATEST FLEXIBILITY IN THESE SP1 ZONING CASES.

GOTCHA.

SO IF COUNCIL SAYS, HEY, WE CAN'T GET THERE WITH THE DRIVE-THRU, DO YOU I MEAN, YOU WANT US TO TABLE FOR TWO WEEKS AND SEE SOME OPTIONS WITHOUT A DRIVE-THRU? OR IS THIS JUST DEAD IN THE WATER? I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO.

I'D NEED TO DEFER TO MY CLIENT.

I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I CAN GO HAVE A QUICK CONVERSATION AND ASK, BUT I THINK THAT I.

WELL, LET'S LET'S TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN WE MIGHT CALL YOU BACK UP.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT? NO.

OK.

SO THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO RIGHT INTO COUNCIL COMMENTS.

WHAT IS YOUR FEELING? MY MY FEELING REMAINS.

I MEAN, THE REALLY THE CRITICAL THING HERE IS THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO GIVE HIM A DRIVE-THRU.

THE FACT IS, WE'RE I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO RE-ENGINEER THIS ON THE FLY.

THEY'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST THING THAT WORKS WITH THEIR SHOPPING CENTER.

BUT WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE THAT RISK.

AND WHILE I DO TRUST THAT THE ENGINEERS CAN COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME SOLUTION THAT MINIMIZES THE IMPACT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT WE ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO CREATE A BIG MESS DOWN THE ROAD.

GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS.

YEAH, I'LL SPEAK FIRST.

WHEN I WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP WITH CLAY, THIS IS JUST A HUGE RED FLAG AND I CAN'T SEE A WAY AROUND IT.

AND CLEARLY THE ENGINEERS HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK.

THE STACKING DEPTH IS IMPRESSIVE WITH 11 CARS THERE, BUT THIS IS JUST A REALLY DIFFICULT TRAFFIC PATTERN, EVEN WITH WHAT'S PROPOSED.

SO I CAN'T GET COMFORTABLE.

UNFORTUNATELY, AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE IN THIS SPACE, I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS BEING REDONE.

I CAN'T GET COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PROPOSAL AS IT IS.

I MEAN, I'M TRYING NOT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S A HUGE IMPROVEMENT OPPORTUNITY ON THAT CORNER.

RIGHT.

SO THAT'S IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.

WOULD I TRADE THAT IMPROVEMENT OPPORTUNITY, THOUGH, FOR ANOTHER KIMBALL 1709 SITUATION? NO WAY.

I MEAN, WE CAN'T SOLVE THAT PROBLEM WE HAVE NOW.

NO.

SO I MEAN, IF, IF THE APPLICANT COULD COME UP AND MAYBE NOT IDEAL, BUT COME UP WITH A TRAFFIC PATTERN THAT DOESN'T CAUSE, YOU KNOW, STACKING OUT ONTO THESE ROADS THAT USES, I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG PARKING LOT.

IT'S I MAYBE I MAY BE WRONG, BUT WHEN I'M THERE, IT'S NOT AN OVERLY BURDENED TYPE OF PARKING LOT.

IF THERE WAS A WAY TO NAVIGATE THAT SPACE TO JUST GIVE MORE ROOM FOR THIS DRIVE-THRU, I'D BE OPEN TO IT.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN WILLIAMSON.

AND I'VE SEEN LOTS OF DRIVE-THRUS WORK WHERE THERE'S WAY MORE [INAUDIBLE] CARS, THEY'VE GOT DOUBLE LANES, TRIPLE LANES.

I MEAN, THERE IS SOME SPACE TO WORK WITH HERE.

[04:55:03]

I WOULD HATE TO NOT IMPROVE THIS CORNER.

I DON'T THINK ANOTHER CHICKEN SANDWICH SHOP IS ALLOWED TO BE OPENED IN SOUTHLAKE.

AND IT'S THAT AND ONE BURGER SHOP THAT I KNOW OF THAT DRAW THE CROWDS.

EVERYTHING ELSE, REALLY.

I MEAN, I DON'T SEE UNLESS IT'S THE CHICKEN SHOP NEEDING TO STACK 30 OR 40 CARS AT PEAK TIMES, BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE TENANT.

IT DOES AND HARD TO ANTICIPATE THAT, YOU KNOW IT COULD BE DIFFERENT IN 10 YEARS.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

TO COUNCILMAN WILLIAMSON'S COMMENTS.

I MEAN, I LOVE THE LOOK OF THIS PLACE.

I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE IT GO IN THERE.

I'M ALSO OPTIMISTIC THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN OUR BEST OPTION.

YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, THE THOUSANDS OF TIMES I'VE BEEN IN THAT PARKING LOT.

IF YOU OPTIMIZE TO GO IN THE SECOND ENTRANCE NEAR WHERE THE OLD STARBUCKS IS AND YOU JUST HAD A LONGER LANE SIMILAR TO WHAT CHICK FIL A'S ARE DOING ACROSS THE METROPLEX, I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO THIS.

I JUST I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN IT YET.

SO, SO I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT THERE COULD BE A DRIVE THRU, I JUST I JUST DON'T THINK IN THIS CONFIGURATION, IT WORKS.

YEAH, I AGREE, I THINK I MEAN, AS COUNCILMAN WILLIAMSON SAID, IT'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THIS CORNER.

AND I JUST.

VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE STACKING, THE TRAFFIC.

I'M NOT AT A PLACE WHERE I'M WILLING TO SAY NO TO A DRIVE-THRU, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OTHER OPTION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN IT, BUT AND MAYBE IT'S POSSIBLE.

NOT POSSIBLE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST.

YEAH, SURE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS.

YEAH, I AGREE.

I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT A SOLE OWNER FOR ALL OF THIS NOW OR NEGLECTING THE ENTIRETY OF THIS PARKING LOT LIKE THESE, LET'S THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME OPTION.

INSTEAD OF ISOLATING THIS CORNER, TRY TO UTILIZE THE SPACE WE'VE GOT AND SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY YOU CAN SHAKE YOUR HEAD AT IT.

BUT I MEAN, I CAN GO OVER TO PLANO PARKWAY AND PRESTON OFF GEORGE BUSH, AND THERE'S A MASSIVE CHICKEN PLACE THERE THAT CAN HAVE 40 CARS BACKED UP, AND THEY LITERALLY LINE THEM THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T STACK THEM ON PRESTON ROAD COMING OFF GEORGE BUSH.

SO I JUST THINK THAT INSTEAD OF ISOLATING THIS, TRY TO LOOK AT WAYS TO POTENTIALLY UTILIZE THE SPACE YOU'VE GOT IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE-THRU THAT BAD.

CLAY, GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK.

SO FIRST OFF, BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER, WE CAN'T DO THAT.

THE REASON WHY I WASN'T SHAKING YOUR HEAD BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA, BUT WE DO HAVE OBLIGATIONS AND THERE ARE AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE TO BE CONTAINED WITHIN DUE TO THE OBLIGATIONS WITH TOM THUMB.

SO WE CAN'T GO, JUST GO, TEAR UP THE WHOLE PARKING LOT AND GO PUT THE BUILDING IN THE BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING AND STUFF LIKE THAT DUE TO THE OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE OTHER TENANTS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING AND ALREADY, THERE.

NOT BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T WANT TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A POTENTIAL FEASIBLE OPTION FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO GIVE YOU THAT, THAT I WAS GOING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU ON THAT DEAL.

I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TRY TO GO BACK, PUT MY HEAD TO THIS, TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A TOUGH CHALLENGE FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THIS AND DO THAT.

THE DRIVE-THRU, LIKE I SAID WITH US, JUST EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE HAVING TO PUT INTO THIS CENTER, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO DO WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL, WITH REMEDIATION, WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS LIKE I SAID, I MEAN THE THAT DRIVE-THRU REALLY DOES HELP US GET THERE AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE ON OUR SIDE, I KNOW THAT'S NOT AS IMPORTANT TO YOU GUYS, BUT ON OUR SIDE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT WORK.

WOULD ELIMINATING SOME PARKING AROUND THE EAST AND THE SOUTH, WOULD THAT HELP YOU? SO ON THE ON THE EAST, IT POTENTIALLY COULD, AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

IF IT IMPROVES THE FLOW, I'M INCLINED TO GIVE YOU MORE RELIEF ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.

THAT'S THE ONLY CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE ON THAT.

AND I THINK THAT AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING TO GO WITH THIS, IS THAT THERE'S KIND OF THAT FUNKY TRIANGLE MAYBE I CAN WORK WITH RIGHT THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO REALLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THAT OFF, TO GET THAT TO WHERE IT DOESN'T IMPACT US AS NEGATIVELY THERE.

TWO LANES OR SOMETHING? COULD YOU FIT TWO LANES? I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE PLAY WITH THAT.

MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT BECAUSE THE STORES HAVE HAD A GOOD IDEA ON THERE.

I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE LIKE A DOUBLE ORDER POINT.

I KNOW EVERYBODY KEEPS BRINGING UP THE CHICKEN RESTAURANT.

THAT'S NOT OUR GOAL.

THAT'S NOT WHO WE'RE PURSUING HERE.

IT'S 2100 SQUARE FEET.

THOSE GUYS DON'T EVEN GO IN THAT SMALL OF AN AREA TYPE THING.

SO IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE USER, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THEY FALL UNDER THE SAME CATEGORY THEY FOLLOW UNDER THE SAME RULES, THEY FOLLOW THE SAME STACKING.

SO WE GET THAT.

LET ME ASK COUNCIL REAL QUICK.

WOULD YOU GUYS FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE KIND OF HAD AN IDEA OF THE TENANT?

[05:00:03]

OH, I WAS ALREADY THINKING THAT I KNOW IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.

BUT IF SOMEBODY WAS TELLING ME, LET ME GIVE AN EXAMPLE, JUST BECAUSE IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRESENTATION TODAY, IT WAS HARVEST BREAD.

THAT'S A PERFECT TYPE OF CLIENT THAT I LOOK AT AND I GO, THAT'S GOING TO BE A SLOW, STEADY BURN.

THAT'S FANTASTIC.

BUT OF COURSE, THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU WANT ON A HOT CORNER LIKE THAT.

BUT MY POINT BEING, IF WE KNEW SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT IS.

IT IS VERY HELPFUL.

ONE OTHER COMMENT, THOUGH I DID WANT TO MAKE TOO ON THAT WAS IT IS A WIN WIN FROM THE STANDPOINT IF YOU COME UP WITH A BETTER MOUSETRAP THAT PEOPLE GO RIGHT NOW, SOME PEOPLE WILL AVOID THE CHICKEN RESTAURANT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT.

IF YOU AVOID THAT HERE.

IT'S GOOD FOR BUSINESS.

I MEAN, THERE IS A SILVER LINING HERE.

RIGHT.

AND I SEE THAT MR. WILLIAMSON AND THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

MR. HUFFMAN, THE ONLY THING IS, THOUGH, IS THAT IN IN TWO WEEKS, I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY A TENANT FOR YOU.

THAT'S NO.

NO, I KNOW.

I KNOW.

I GET THAT.

WHAT I WAS MORE THINKING OF IS, IS THERE A WAY TO STRUCTURE AN APPROVAL WHERE YOU GET CONCEPTUALLY WHAT YOU WANT SO YOU CAN GO MARKET IT TO TENANTS? BUT THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN WOULD BE FRANKLY DEPENDENT ON WHETHER OR NOT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE SPECIFIC TENANT AND HOW THAT DRIVE-THRU IS TAILORED TO IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT A TENANT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO ME, I STILL AM.

AND MR. HUFFMAN.

THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH THE LIFE CYCLE? HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE BUILDING YOU GO MAKE ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS WE GO, DO IT, SAY THAT WE HAVE HARVEST BREAD NOW AND COVID HITS AND TAKES THEM DOWN.

WE'VE GOT TO RE MARKET THIS THING AND THEN WE HAVE A DRIVE-THRU AND THEN HOW WE CONTINGENT UPON THAT.

I'M TRYING TO PLAY IT ON BOTH SIDES ON THAT, ON SPEAKERS] I JUST, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO MARKET THIS AND GO FIND A TENANT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GIVE YOU ENOUGH TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT SO MUCH THAT YOU JUST HAVE CARTE BLANCHE TO DO SOMETHING WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ON THE DRIVE-THRU SIDE OF IT.

SO YOU SEEM LIKE THERE'S A TENSION THERE THAT I'M KEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY BRILLIANT IDEAS? YOU'RE REALLY, REALLY GOOD AFTER 11:30.

SO WE'RE CERTAINLY.

I MEAN, OTHERWISE WE CAN JUST SEND MR. CHRISTIE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND LET HIM LET HIM SKETCH ON SOME STUFF.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

THE ONLY WHEN YOU GET INTO USE, IT'S DIFFICULT IN ZONING TO GET VERY SPECIFIC.

YOU CAN EXCLUDE CERTAIN TYPES OF USES, SUCH AS MAYBE IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE FAST FOOD.

WE CAN'T STRUCTURE THE ZONING WHERE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE OR MAYBE TYPE OF RESTAURANT.

WE CAN MAYBE EXCLUDE THOSE JUICES OUT AND MAKE SURE IT'S A SMALLER, LESS INTENSE USE THAT WE DO HAVE THAT POSSIBLE IN THE ZONING.

BUT IT I DON'T THINK ALAN WOULD ADVISE THAT WE GET INTO TENANT SPECIFIC TYPES OF.

I MEAN, I WOULD SUGGEST, THOUGH, THAT IF YOU ELIMINATE FAST FOOD, YOU'VE YOU'VE GOTTEN YOURSELF ALMOST THERE, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE THERE'S VERY FEW DRIVE-THRU OPTIONS OUTSIDE OF FAST FOOD THAT CREATE THAT SORT OF.

RIGHT.

BUT WHAT IF WE END UP? I MEAN, AREN'T WE JUST SORT OF PIGEONHOLING OURSELVES INTO COFFEE AT THAT POINT, WHICH COULD BE EVEN WORSE? I MEAN, WHO HAS DRIVE-THRU ICE CREAM? ANDY'S.

OH ANDY'S SOUNDS REALLY GOOD RIGHT NOW.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M SORRY.

CONTINUE.

MR. HUFFMAN.

YOU CAN JUST CLAY.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD THROW OUT THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IS CONSIDERING MAYBE WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING THE INGRESS EGRESS HERE TO SOME DEGREE, MAYBE ELIMINATING ONE OF THE INGRESS EGRESS SPOTS OR, YOU KNOW, USING IT AS A FACTOR THAT BENEFITS YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHETHER IT'S PUSHING BUILDING TO IT OR FROM IT OR MAKING ONE OF THE INGRESS LIKE THE WANT THE SOUTH ENTRANCE FROM WHITE CHAPEL MAKING THAT AN INGRESS ONLY.

I'M PURELY JUST SPITBALLING, BUT I'M SURE YOU'VE CONSIDERED ALL THESE THINGS.

IT'S GETTING LATE.

JUST TRYING TO THROW OUT SOME OTHER THING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE KIND OF STUCK RIGHT.

SPINNING AROUND THE BUILDING IS NOT IDEAL.

SO HOW DO WE NOT SPIN AROUND THE BUILDING FOR YOU, RIGHT? AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT IS IF WE CAN AVOID SPINNING AROUND THE BUILDING THAT I THINK SOLVES A LOT OF THE ISSUES TO SOME, SOME DEGREE.

SO WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO, SO CHEW ON THAT AND ALSO LET ME ASK, WOULD YOU GUYS BE AMENABLE TO ELIMINATE LIMITING THE USE IN MY SORT OF LIKE WHAT? SO THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS THAT WHENEVER AND I'VE GOTTEN INTO THIS BEFORE IS HOW YOU DEFINE WHAT'S DEFINED AS FAST FOOD.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE FOR SO LONG AND THIS IS THE REASON IS FOR SO LONG ZONING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

FAST FOOD HAS BEEN DEFINED AS A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THRU

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ONCE YOU PUT A DRIVE-THRU ON IT THEN IT'S CONSIDERED FAST FOOD.

SURE.

SO I WOULD HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY TALK WITH MY CLIENT AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT.

RIGHT.

BUT WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD DEFINITION TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'D BE LIMITING.

BECAUSE AND BECAUSE HERE'S A QUESTION, AND HERE'S ONE THAT'S COME UP GREAT, WHICH WE'VE BEEN REMODELING IS LIKE, WHAT'S CHIPOTLE.

RIGHT.

BECAUSE NOW CHIPOTLE, THEY'RE DOING FREE STANDING WITH DRIVE-THRUS.

IT'S PICKUP ONLY.

BUT IS THAT FAST FOOD IS THAT NOT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN.

SO ARE WE LOOKING AT MCDONALD'S HERE? NO.

SO KEN, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT YOU GUYS COULD CRAFT SOME DEFINITION OF FAST FOOD THAT KIND OF HELPS US OUT, HELPS THEM OUT? YEAH, WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE, AND WE USUALLY PROBABLY GO BACK TO SQUARE FOOTAGE.

I MEAN, THERE'S YOU KNOW THERE, IF IT'S A DRIVE-THRU ONLY, WE'LL HAVE A CERTAIN IMPACT IF IT'S DINING IT'LL HAVE A CERTAIN IMPACT, RIGHT? WE'VE COME UP WITH SOME REGULATIONS THAT KIND OF EXCLUDE THOSE MORE INTENSE TYPES.

OK, SO SO HERE WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL.

WHY DON'T WE GIVE THIS TWO WEEKS LET YOU WORK WITH KEN AND HIS STAFF TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A DEFINITION OF FAST FOOD THAT YOUR CLIENTS CAN LIVE WITH AND THAT MAYBE HELPS US OUT AND THEN MAYBE TRY TO PLAY WITH PLAY, WITH ELIMINATING SOME PARKING OR DOING SOMETHING ON THE SITE.

OK.

AND ONE OTHER THING LAST THING BEFORE WE WRAP UP.

KEEP IN MIND HERE IS THAT WE'RE TALKING TWENTY ONE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.

IT'S ALREADY KIND OF SMALL.

SO YOU'RE ALREADY SMALL.

YEAH.

SO WHENEVER IT COMES DOWN TO THAT, TALKING ABOUT FAST FOOD.

MCDONALD'S THEY ARE FIVE GRAND.

YEAH.

WHATABURGER, THREE GRAND.

BUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ALMOST FIVE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, IS IT? YES, SIR.

EVERYTHING UNDER ROOF IS ALMOST 5000.

SO FOUR THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT/ SO IF MCDONALD'S SAID, HEY, WE'LL TAKE 4500 SQUARE FEET, YOU'RE KNOCKING DOWN A DEMISING WALL AND PUTTING IN A MCDONALD'S, WELL, WE VIOLATE.

WE ONLY HAVE IT IN THE SITE PLAN FOR THE SP TO AUTHORIZE FOR THE TWENTY ONE FIFTY.

PRESUMABLY, OUR ZONING COULD MITIGATE.

OK.

OK.

SO I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE WITH YOU, BUT I'M SAYING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS A SMALLER GROUP.

I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT [INAUDIBLE], BUT I DON'T UNLESS KEN TELLS ME THAT I'M WRONG.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT, THOUGH, WITHOUT IMPACTING THE ZONING.

YEAH, AGAIN.

WELL, LET'S WORK ON TIGHTENING THAT UP IF WE CAN.

WHAT WE'LL DO, MAYBE ON [INAUDIBLE] THERE SOMETHING SOMETHING THAT OUR SIZE AND STUFFED WHERE IT CAN'T GROW TO FIVE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT, FULL SERVICE.

YOU HEAR OUR CONCERNS.

YOU LIVE HERE.

YOU DEAL WITH THIS, YOU HEAR OUR CONCERN.

WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID A MESS FOR PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH IN 10 YEARS.

AND JUST IF Y'ALL CAN WORK FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND TRY TO HELP US OUT OF THIS, THAT'D BE GREAT.

OK, FAIR? ABSOLUTELY.

YOU'RE REQUESTING TO TABLE? YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, MR. PATTON.

YEAH, I CAN WORK WITH THAT.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I MOVE WE APPROVE OR PARDON ME TABLE ITEM 7C OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-787 OR ZA 21-0059, WHICH IS THE FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT SITE PLAN FOR PHILLIPS EDISON DEVELOPMENT.

WE WILL BE TABLING UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER 21ST CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

YES.

YES, THERE'S A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

AND THE MOTION TO TABLE PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THANKS, GUYS.

APPRECIATE YOU STICKING WITH US.

THANKS FOR YOUR EXTRA WORK.

YOU GUYS OK POWERING THROUGH.

WE GOT TWO MORE.

WE, GOOD.

LET'S GO.

ALL RIGHT, KEN.

WITH THAT, WE'LL CALL ITEM NUMBER 9B, WHICH IS SV 21-0016 SIGN VARIANCE FOR

[9B. SV21-0016, Sign Variance for EECU located at 1460 W. Southlake Blvd.]

EECU.

LOCATED AT 1460 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

DIRECTOR BAKER.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF SIGN VARIANCE FOR THE CREDIT UNION TO ALLOW LETTER HEIGHT LARGER THAN WHAT'S PERMITTED ON THIS BUILDING.

THE LOCATIONS 1460 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THE EXISTING SIGNS, A CABINET SIGN, WHICH IS A NON-CONFORMING SIGN, HAS A LETTER HEIGHT OF 19 INCHES SIGN AREAS JUST OVER 32 SQUARE FEET.

JUST SHOWING THE MONUMENT SIGN.

THIS IS NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION PER SAY, BUT THEY'LL BE RE FACING THE EXISTING MONUMENT SIGN ON SITE.

THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE A 24 INCH LETTER SIGNAGE.

THE SIGN AREA FROM THE NON-CONFORMING SIGN WOULD BE REDUCED FROM 32 FEET DOWN TO 13 FEET AND THE SO BE LESS AREA.

BUT 18 INCHES IS WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED.

THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENT FROM THE SIGN BOARD ON THIS WELCOME SIGN TO CENTER IT UP.

I DON'T THINK THAT WELCOME SIGN IS CURRENTLY THERE.

I THINK IT'S MAYBE AN OLDER PICTURE, BUT AGAIN, WHAT'S PERMITTED BY

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ORDINANCES AT 19.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR 24, BUT IT'S A LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN THE EXISTING SIGN IN PLACE JUST TO COMPARISON ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

YOU'VE GOT 18 INCH LETTERS AT 7-ELEVEN AND THEN YOU SEE THE TENANTS, THE LETTER HEIGHTS OF THE TENANTS IN THE AREA ON THAT NORTH SIDE OF 1709.

THE SIGN BOARD DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL SIX ZERO AND DID SUGGEST MOVING THAT WELCOME SIGN TO THE CENTER.

IF THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE ENTRY FEATURE, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR BAKER.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OK? IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? COME ON DOWN/ CLOCK'S ABOUT TO STRIKE MIDNIGHT, SO YEAH.

GOOD EVENING, DAVID GREGORY, DCG ENGINEERING 1668 KELLER PARKWAY SUITE 100 KELLER 76248 .

MR. BAKER DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF PRESENTING OUR CASE.

WE ARE SEEKING TO REMOVE OR REPLACE THE EXISTING WALL SIGN.

IT'S NO LONGER THE CORPORATE IMAGING AND THEY'RE REPLACING THEIR SIGNS ON ALL THEIR BUILDINGS TO GET THE NEW IMAGE.

THEY'RE GIVING UP A LITTLE OVER 40 PERCENT OF THEIR EXISTING SIGNAGE AREA RIGHT NOW AND WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PRESENCE WITH THEIR SIGNAGE, THUS THE REQUEST FOR THE TALLER LETTERS.

WE DID AGREE TO CONSIDER THE WELCOME SIGN, AND I BELIEVE SOME UPDATED GRAPHICS WERE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY TO SHOW THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

ANY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

NO QUESTION THIS IS GOING WELL FOR YOU.

HAVE A SEAT.

ABSOLUTELY.

COUNCIL THOUGHTS.

IT'S REASONABLE.

MARKET IMPROVEMENT.

I'M IN FAVOR OF APPROVING IT FOR 19 INCHES.

NOT TO BE A STICK IN THE MUD, BUT WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE TWENTY FOUR INCHES? WE'RE NOT.

THERE'S NOTHING ELSE APPROVED AT TWENTY FOUR INCHES ANYWHERE ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

I'M JUST SAYING WE HAVE THE SIGN ORDINANCE IN PLACE FOR A REASON.

WE'RE SETTING EXPECTATIONS.

SO THE NEXT APPLICANT THAT COMES UP WANTS TO GO FROM NINETEEN TO TWENTY FOUR.

WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT'S CLOSE TO MIDNIGHT OR JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE OLD, THEY'RE OLD SIGN REALLY NEEDED TO GO.

FOR ME, THE ONLY REASON IS RARELY DO WE SEE ONE ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT BIGGER LETTERS, WITH SUCH COMING IN SO FAR BELOW THE ALLOWED WIDTH IN AREA.

TO ME, THAT WEIGHS IN BECAUSE IT'S WELL BELOW THE GENERAL AREA.

SO TO ME, I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT.

BUT YOU ARE CORRECT.

I MEAN, IF I SEE SOMETHING COME IN THAT'S ABOVE THE ORDINANCE AND WIDTH, AN AREA AND EVERYTHING.

YEAH, IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS A NO.

IN THIS CASE, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

BUT THAT'S MY REASONING.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST SUCH A DECREASE OF WHAT THEY HAVE NOW.

YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, YEAH, THE LETTERS ARE A LITTLE HIGHER.

BUT I MEAN, OVERALL, WHAT IS THAT THREE FOOT THREE IS THE HEIGHT ON THE OLD SIDE.

I'M OK WITH IT.

BUT IF YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE IT, THEN I'M OK WITH IT TOO.

I THINK IT FITS THE SPACE AND I LIKE IT A LOT BETTER.

IT'S A LOT CLEANER AND I THINK IT WAS SMALLER BECAUSE LOOK AT ALL THOSE OTHER WORDS THAT ARE THERE NOW ON THE BOTTOM.

I THINK IF YOU DECREASE THE SIZE ON THAT SPACE, IT'LL KIND OF BE SWALLOWED JUST IN THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING.

A MARKED IMPROVEMENT AND TAKES UP LESS OVERALL SPACE.

THAT'S A WIN FOR ME.

OK, NOT QUITE OF ONE MIND, BUT WE READY FOR A MOTION? CHAD? COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON.

ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? THIS IS SEVEN 7B, RIGHT? NO, IT'S NOT.

IT IS 9B, SIR.

I MEAN, 9B.

WE'VE YEAH, IT'S STILL [INAUDIBLE].

YEAH, 9B, MAYOR AND COUNCIL I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE 9B OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS SV 21-0016 SIGN VARIANCE FOR EECU, LOCATED AT 1460 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 31ST 2021.

AND WE ARE GRANTING THE VARIANCE RELATED TO LETTER SIZE ALLOWING 24 INCH, WHICH IS GREATER THAN THE NORMALLY ALLOWED 19 INCH FOR AN ATTACHED BUILDING SIGN WITH ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTERS.

WE HAVE A MOTION? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

THE MOTION PASSES SIX ONE, AND IT IS APPROVED, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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DON'T BRING THOSE 24 INCH LETTERS AROUND CHAD.

I'M JUST SAYING.

I GOT IT.

ALL RIGHT, THAT WILL CALL ITEM NUMBER 9C THE LAST ITEM OF THE NIGHT MSP 21-0003

[9C. MSP21-0003, Master Sign Plan Amendment for Chapel Crossing located at 245 W. SH 114, Southlake, Texas.]

MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT FOR CHAPEL CROSSING LOCATED AT 245 WEST STATE HIGHWAY 114 SOUTHLAKE .

AND I WILL RECOGNIZE DIRECTOR BAKER.

MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

THIS IS A APPROVAL OF MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR CHAPEL CROSSING.

THIS IS AN AMENDMENT OF THE EXISTING SIGN PLAN PROPERTIES LOCATED AT [INAUDIBLE] THEY'RE CUTTING US OFF.

THEY SAID, WE'RE DONE.

IT'S MIDNIGHT I GUESS.

AND WE'RE DONE.

IT'S LIKE THE OLD ORIOLES THEY USED TO STOP THE BASEBALL GAMES.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET THROUGH THIS.

WE'RE GETTING PUNCH DRUNK HERE.

THESE ARE SOME EXISTING SITE PHOTOS STOREY SIGNS ON THE 114 SIDE AND THEN TWO UPPER STOREY SIGNS ON THE COUNTRYSIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S ALSO THREE MONUMENT SIGNS THAT WERE PROVED WHEN THE MASTER SIGN PLAN CAME THROUGH.

THE PRECISION SIGN WAS APPROVED AS THAT SPECIFIC SIGN AND THEN A BOXED AREA ON THE OTHER THREE AREAS.

SO THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPROVED MASTER SIGN PLAN WAS APPROVED BACK IN 88, WHICH HAS THE FOUR THIRD FLOOR SIGNS, PLUS THE THREE MONUMENT SIGNS.

AND THEN THEY HAVE A DEVELOPMENT SIGN AT THE HARD CORNER OF WHITE CHAPEL AND 114.

BASICALLY, THE REQUEST IS TO MOVE SIGNS THREE AND FOUR TO THE EAST FACADE, KEEPING GENERALLY THE SAME REGULATIONS OR REQUIREMENTS ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

BUT THE APPLICATION IS INDICATED THAT THIS WOULD PROVIDE MORE EXPOSURE FOR THE 114 SIDE AND THE WHITE CHAPEL SIDE VERSUS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH WAS APPROVED.

THE PRECISION SIGN IS AT 25 POINT SEVEN INCHES, LOGOS AT FORTY TWO INCHES AND THEN THE TENANT SPACE HERE, WHICH HAS BEEN FILLED, WOULD HAVE TO FILL BE LOCATED IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AREA THAT WAS WAS ALLOWED.

SO ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WHAT'S IN PLACE NOW IS A MAXIMUM LETTER HEIGHT.

WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED FROM WHITE CHAPEL OR COUNTRYSIDE LOGO 125 MAXIMUM SIGN WIDTH TWENTY TWO POINT FIVE FEET SIGN AREA SEVENTY EIGHT POINT SEVENTY FIVE AND THEN SOME SPECIFICS ON THE SIGN TYPE, AGAIN, THEY WANT TO MOVE ONE OF THE SIGNS TO THE EAST FACADE.

THE LETTER HEIGHT, THE MAXIMUM WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED FROM WHITE CHAPEL, SO FOR [INAUDIBLE] BE EIGHTEEN POINT FIVE INCHES.

THE SIGN AREA WOULD BE THE SAME.

THE TYPE OF SIGN WOULD BE THE SAME LOGO WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE 125, SO IT'D BE ABOUT TWENTY TWO INCHES.

ON THIS SPACE THREE THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE SMILE REHAB CENTER SIGN TO BE APPROVED.

THE SPECIFICS ON THAT SIGN IS A BASICALLY A 28 INCH LETTER, THE L, THE B AND THE H ARE 28 INCHES, THEY ALL ARE LOWERCASE, BUT WITH THE TAILS EXTENSION, THOSE LETTERS WOULD ACTUALLY BE TWENTY EIGHT POINT THREE, BUT THE PRIMARY LETTER SIZE IS TWENTY POINT EIGHT.

THE SIGN AREA WOULD BE 65 FEET, WHICH WOULD BE LESS THAN THE SEVENTY EIGHT POINT EIGHTY FIVE SQUARE FEET.

SO BASICALLY GETTING A THIS SIGN APPROVED HAVING A HOLDING AREA FOR SIGN FOUR WITH THE SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE ESSENTIALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

THE THREE MONUMENT SIGNS WOULD STAY THE SAME, AND THEN A CONDITION OF THE PREVIOUS SIGN OF APPROVAL WAS THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE ANYWHERE IN THE BUILDING, SO THE WHOLE BUILDING WOULD BE LIMITED TO THOSE FOUR SIGNS.

THE SIGN BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL THREE TO TWO ON THIS ONE.

WHAT WERE THE TWO DISSENTING VOTES BASED ON? IT WAS BASICALLY THAT THEY FELT THAT THE COMMENT WAS THAT THE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING

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FOR A TENANT SPACE, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR SIGNS WITH ALL THE APPS AND THAT MOVING IT TO THE EAST, THE WHITE CHAPEL SIDE WOULD NOT MAKE THAT MUCH A DIFFERENCE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY MORE SIGNS, JUST MOVING THE SIGNS FROM.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OK.

SAME SAME SIZES AS THE ALREADY APPROVED.

YES, THE AREA.

AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR THAT SPECIFIC SIGN ON AREA THREE, BUT IT'S COMPLIANT WITH THE MASTER SIGN PLAN, RIGHT? IT WOULDN'T BE COMPLIANT JUST BY THE FACT THAT THESE LETTERS, WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THIS SIDE WOULD YOU BE A MAX ABOUT A 20 INCH LETTER? THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE, EXCEPT THE LS H AND THE B BECAUSE.

JUST TAKE THOSE LETTERS OUT.

YEAH, SMIE REAA CENTERS.

BUT YOU SAID IT'S THE SAME.

YOU SAID IT WAS THE SAME NUMBER OF SIGNS.

YES, SIR.

BECAUSE I'M READING THE NOTES TALKS ABOUT JEREMY KUBIAK MR. SPRINGER DISSENTED FOR TOO MANY SIGNS ON AN OFFICE BUILDING.

SO WHAT AM I MISUNDERSTANDING THERE? I MEAN, I GUESS PHILOSOPHICALLY THEY THOUGHT MAYBE FOUR WAS TOO MUCH TO BE IN TO BEGIN WITH.

YEAH, OK.

AND SO IN, IT'S LATE.

I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THIS ONE IS THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT? WITH WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING OR NOT, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT MORE OFFICES IN TOWN NOW, AND SO WHATEVER WE DO HERE, WE.

RIGHT, BE CAREFUL THAT THEY DON'T COME IN AND SAY WE JUST DID THIS.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M REAL CLEAR ON WHAT I'M DOING.

AND I'M SORRY, I'M NOT FOLLOWING THE QUESTION.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M NOT SURE I'M FOLLOWING ME EITHER AT THIS POINT, SO I JUST CAME OFF SIGNBOARD, RIGHT? SO I WILL SAY WE'RE HAVING TO APPROVE MORE OF THESE UPPER STOREY SIGNS BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT IN OUR IN OUR ORDINANCE.

SO I'M A LITTLE BIT SYMPATHETIC TO WHEN YOU SMILE REHAB CENTERS, LEASES, HOWEVER MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE THEY HAVE FOR THEM NOT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SIGN.

I MEAN, I GET IT.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SIGNS THERE ON THE FIRST FLOOR OR THE SECOND FLOOR, THE THIRD FLOOR ALL THE WAY OVER, ALL OVER THE BUILDING.

BUT IF THERE'S FOUR SIGNS ALREADY APPROVED, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT MOVING THEM AROUND.

I'M OK WITH IT.

YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE STILL ELIGIBLE FOR THE SIGN.

I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED, CORRECT? YEAH.

THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY ASKING TO MOVE THOSE FROM THE SOUTH SIDE TO THE EAST SIDE.

YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE SIGNS AREN'T GETTING ANY EXPOSURE FROM THE SOUTH SIDE.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN CONCERN.

SO I THINK IF THEY CAME TO US ORIGINALLY WHEN THEY THEY BUILT THE BUILDING AND THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THIS MASTER SIGN PLAN AND THEY WOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT THEY WEREN'T GETTING ENOUGH EXPOSURE, THAT THIS WORD OF THIS WORD WOULD HAVE COME FROM ORIGINALLY AND PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

YEAH, I CAN'T IMAGINE WE WOULD HAVE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE LOCATIONS TO BEGIN WITH.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

YEAH.

TO ME, IF THEY WANT TO MOVE IT AROUND, WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE SIGN SQUARE FOOTAGE.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

IF SOMEBODY FEELS DIFFERENTLY.

SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE.

THE SIGN NAZI IS FINE WITH IT.

SELF APPOINTED.

I MEAN, I DON'T CARE EITHER.

BUT THAT DOES MEAN THEN THAT OTHERS COULD SAY, OK, I'VE GOT I'VE CURRENTLY GOT IS SET UP WHERE I HAVE A SIGN HERE AND A SIGN HERE.

AND THIS IS A REALLY QUIET AREA OVER HERE.

SO I WANT TO DO THE SAME THING.

I WANT TO MOVE BAM, BAM AND PUT MY TWO SIGNS.

SURE.

SO JUST.

YEAH, NO, I THINK THAT'S VALID.

I THINK I THINK THIS ONE, IT SEEMS LIKE KIND OF I MEAN, IT'S A NEWER BUILDING.

I'M OK.

I THINK WE COULD DISTINGUISH IT IF WE GOT A CASE THAT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S A VALID POINT.

THEY'RE TRYING TO LEASE THIS TO.

SO I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS THE LEASEES WANT THIS SIGNAGE.

SURE.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.

I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT THAN SOMEONE THAT'S ALREADY GOT A SIGN UP THERE BECAUSE THIS IS ALL HEALTH CARE RELATED HERE, TOO.

SO I KNOW THAT THESE FOLKS, THEY WANT THE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO FIND THEM.

NOT THAT ANY BUSINESS DOESN'T.

BUT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT'S GOING ON IS THEY'RE TRYING TO LEASE THIS.

THEY NEED THEIR SIGNAGE UP, YOU KNOW.

WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND TOWN, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A LOT.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE SIGN ORDINANCES AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOUTHLAKE, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF BUILDINGS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK'S IN THEM BECAUSE THE SIGNS SO [INAUDIBLE].

SO I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO, IT'S NO HEAVY LIFTING TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS DOES MAKE SENSE IF IT MAKES SENSE.

SO I'M RAMBLING.

ARE THERE ANY TENANTS IN THIS BUILDING STILL WHO WOULD NOT HAVE SIGNAGE? YEAH, THERE WILL BE TENANTS.

I MEAN, THE SHOULD PROBABLY BE THE FOUR MAJOR TENANTS, BUT THEY HAVE MONUMENT SIGNS

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FOR OTHER TENANTS.

THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD THING BECAUSE THAT'S THE POINT IS THAT SOME, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER OFFICES IN TOWN, THEY HAVE THEIR KEY TENANTS LISTED AND MOST NOT MOST, PROBABLY HALF AT LEAST ARE NOT REPRESENTED ON SIGNAGE.

AND SO THAT'S CONSISTENT IF THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING, YES, WE AGREE WITH THE REASON FOR THE SIGNAGE, AND IT ALSO IS NOT ALLOWING EVERY TENANT TO HAVE SIGNAGE BECAUSE THAT'S THE PRECEDENT I'D BE CAREFUL OF.

THAT'S EXACTLY.

YEAH, YEAH, THERE'S STILL THE MONUMENT SIGNS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN CONSTRUCTED THAT THE MINOR TENANTS CAN LOCATE ON IF, IF NEEDED, PLENTY OF OFF THE STREET.

OK.

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? IS THE APPLICANT STUCK WITH US? OH, I'M SORRY.

COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME IS JANICE HORAK.

I'M WITH PRIORITY SIGNS AND GRAPHICS LOCATED AT 2865 MARKET LOOP HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

AND DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY ANYTHING OR DO YOU JUST HAVE QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. JANICE AT THIS POINT? I FEEL LIKE KEN COVERED IT REALLY WELL.

AND WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE.

YES, THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH US.

OH, IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TONIGHT.

I'M SURE IT WAS MOST OF IT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL? NO, IF NOT.

IS EVERYTHING OK, KEN? OK, ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, LET'S FINISH OUT STRONG.

ANYBODY GOT A MOTION FOR ME? YEAH, I DO.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE.

ITEM NUMBER 9B OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS.

CHAD.

REAL QUICK.

THERE'S A TYPO ON THERE.

IT'S ACTUALLY 9C I THINK IT'S.

OH, IT IS 9C.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

LET'S START OVER.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 9C OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS MSP 21-003 MASTER SIGN PLAN AMENDMENT FOR CHAPEL CROSSING, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 31ST, 2021, NOTING THAT MOVING THE ALLOWABLE UPPER STOREY SIGNS FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO THE EAST SIDE PROVIDE THAT ANY NEW SIGNS ON THE EAST FACADE MEET THE LOCATION, SIZE AND MATERIAL CRITERIA PRESENTED THIS EVENING, APPROVING THE SMILE REHAB SIGN AS PRESENTED ON THE EAST FACADE, NOTING WITH THIS APPROVAL, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UPPER FLOOR SIGNS ON THIS BUILDING IS FOUR AND NO ADDITIONAL BUILDING FACADE SIGNS ARE ALLOWED.

FINALLY, ALLOWING THE MONUMENT SIGNS AS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

THANK YOU.

THERE'S A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

IT'S NOT ALL.

AND THAT MOTION PASSED SEVEN ZERO THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF OUR AGENDA.

THE MEETING ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.