[1. Call to order]
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GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FROM SEPTEMBER 21, 2021 AND THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL FALL EVENING.
FINALLY, A STARK CONTRAST FROM YESTERDAY, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO TO BE HERE, HAPPY TO BE ENJOYING SOME DECENT WEATHER.
BUT THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AS USUAL, IS TO WELCOME OUR CITY CHAPLAIN, PASTOR CLAY REED, TO COME GIVE OUR INVOCATION AND TO JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE.
LET'S PRAY, DEAR LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS EVENING.
LORD WE GIVE THANKS FOR JUST THE NICE WEATHER CHANGE AND WE PRAY LORD FOR BLESSING THIS WEEKEND IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AS WE COME TOGETHER FOR ART IN THE SQUARE.
WE PRAY FOR PROTECTION AND HELP AND STRENGTHEN.
AND LORD, THAT SAFETY WOULD HAPPEN THIS WEEKEND AND THAT FAMILIES WOULD ENJOY THEIR TIME TOGETHER AND THEN IT WOULD BE A GOOD SUCCESS.
LORD WE PRAY FOR THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
WE PRAY FOR OUR MAYOR AS HE LEADS IT.
WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE HIM DISCERNMENT AND WISDOM AND THAT YOU WOULD BRING PEACE INTO THIS MEETING AND BLESSING AND STRENGTH FOR EVERY PERSON WHO MIGHT DELIBERATE AN ISSUE OR SPEAK TO AN ISSUE.
WE PRAY FOR RESPECT AND HONOR TO BE PRESENT IN THIS CHAMBER.
WE PRAY FOR YOUR WILL TO BE DONE.
WE PRAY BLESSING UPON EVERY EMPLOYEE THAT'S WORKING TO SUPPORT THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
AND WE ASK LORD THAT YOU WOULD BLESS AND HELP AND GIVE STRENGTH.
PLEASE JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR WORDS AS ALWAYS.
WELL, FIRST UP, IN OUR WORK SESSION, WE ARE GOING TO GET AN UPDATE FROM THE SOUTHLAKE
[3. Southlake Chamber of Commerce Updates by Justin Lewis]
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND WE HAVE OUR BRAND NEW BOARD CHAIRMAN MR. CLINT SNEAD, WHO'S GOING TO GIVE GIVE US AN UPDATE.I'M SURE I'M SURE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ONE OF YOUR BIG UPCOMING EVENTS IN JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR APPOINTMENT AS PRESIDENT, SIR.
I SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF BOX FINANCIAL, BUT REALLY EXCITED TO JUST BE REPLACING THE CHAMBER TONIGHT.
I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT MARK GILBERT WOULD LOVE TO BE HERE, AND BUT UNFORTUNATELY, HE'S FOLLOWING SOME COVID PROTOCOLS, SO BE PRAYING FOR FOR JUST SOME MEMBERS OF HIS FAMILY.
SO WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE CHAMBER OF COURSE IS JUST FOCUSED ON CONTINUING TO FOSTER THE BUSINESS GROWTH IN THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS JUST A RECENT, OF COURSE, RIBBON CUTTING.
BUT WHAT I THINK WE'RE MOST EXCITED ABOUT IS SEEING THE NUMBER OF NEW MEMBERS THAT ARE JOINING THE CHAMBER.
AND SO THE BUSINESS GROWTH IS STARTING TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT MORE POSITIVE FLYWHEEL EFFECT.
AND SO WITH THIS PARTICULAR UPDATE, IT'S EVEN KIND OF NICE THAT IT ACTUALLY EXTENDS TO A SECOND PAGE OF NEW BUSINESSES.
SOME OF THOSE THAT YOU'LL MENTION OR POSSIBLY SEE ARE SOME BIG NAMES, OF COURSE, LIKE T-MOBILE.
BUT ALSO WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE SMALL BUSINESS BECAUSE WE FEEL, OF COURSE, THAT THOSE CAN BE JUST AS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GROWTH.
AND SO WITH THAT, THE BOARD THAT IS ASSEMBLED FOR THIS YEAR IS PROBABLY MUCH MORE QUALIFIED THAN I AM TO EVEN COME UP HERE AND TALK TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT.
THEY'RE NOT ONLY JUST A DIVERSE GROUP, A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, BUT TREMENDOUS LEADERS IN DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF OUR CITY.
VERY EXCITED TO JUST HAVE THEIR SUPPORT TO ALLOW US.
SO WITHOUT HAVING OKTOBERFEST LAST YEAR, IT'S JUST NICE TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OKTOBERFEST THIS YEAR AND JUST TO SEE THE CHAMBER KIND OF GET INTO A RECALIBRATED MODE THIS YEAR.
SO WITH THAT, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT A FEW OF THE THE MAIN NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES THIS IS A BREAKFAST THAT IS BEING RUN BY MONICA HEATON.
IT'S PRIMARILY JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOR BUSINESSES TO JUST SHOW UP, BE ABLE TO KIND OF JUST SPEND A FEW MINUTES INTRODUCING THEMSELVES, BUT ALSO JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN SUPPORT EACH OTHER.
THIS SINGLEHANDEDLY IS PROBABLY BEEN THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO SEE NEW BUSINESSES GET A FIRST GLIMPSE OF THE CHAMBER, WHAT THE CHAMBER MIGHT DO FOR THEIR NETWORKING AND KIND OF BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.
WE'VE ALWAYS CALLED IT THE BUSINESS INSIDER.
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PERIODICALLY, TYPICALLY AROUND THE SECOND WEEK OF THE MONTH, BUT PAIGE SOHN IS NOW TAKING OVER THAT OPPORTUNITY.THE INTENT HERE IS TO ACTUALLY HAVE AN INFORMATION GATHERING TYPE EVENT TO TRY TO GIVE A BUSINESS A CERTAIN POSITIVE INFORMATION THAT MIGHT HELP THEM, BUT THEN ALSO AT THE END, HAVE SOME TIME TO ALSO NETWORK AS WELL.
SO PROBABLY WITH POTENTIAL TAX LAW CHANGES COMING IN THIS YEAR, THIS WILL PROBABLY BE TOO SMALL OF A GROUP TO SUPPORT THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE INTERESTED IN THAT TAX LAW CHANGE.
SO WE'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THE CHAMBER CAN SUPPORT GETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE ONCE THAT THAT'S PASSED.
SO WITH THAT, OF COURSE, WE HAD OUR CHAMBER AWARDS BANQUET WHERE IT WAS SUCH A GREAT TIME TO KIND OF SEE ALL THOSE THAT WERE RECOGNIZED FOR FOR THEIR TIME, SERVICE AND EFFORT.
SO OF COURSE, MIMI TRAN BEING THE CITIZEN OF THE YEAR.
WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO SEE OUR WONDERFUL MAYOR IN ATTENDANCE AND SO WITH A LOT OF YOU AS WELL.
AND SO IT WAS A GREAT FUN EVENING.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK IT WAS JUST GOOD THAT SINCE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO RECOGNIZE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SERVED LAST YEAR, THIS IS A CHANCE TO ALSO JUST KIND OF TAKE A STEP BACK AND AND BE GRATEFUL FOR THOSE THAT ARE MAKING AN IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO LOOKING AT LAST MONTH, WE DID HAVE OUR MEMBER OF THE MONTH, PAUL ALWINE.
WE ALSO HAD, I'M SORRY, THE AMBASSADOR OF THE MONTH, EXCUSE ME.
WE ALSO THEN HAD THE MEMBER OF THE MONTH ALSO AS MONICA HEATON AS WELL.
SO YOU GUYS MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE LEADERSHIP CLASS THAT THE CITY OR THE CHAMBER PUTS TOGETHER, AND THE NEW LEADERSHIP CLASS FOR 2021 TO 2022 HAS BEEN ASSEMBLED.
THEIR FIRST EVENT IS TO ALWAYS KIND OF GET TOGETHER AND HAVE A LOT OF FUN, SOME OF THEM SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS ON A ROPES COURSE.
THIS IS A GREAT EVENT TO JUST BREAK DOWN THE BARRIERS AND ALLOW THEM TO JUST IMMEDIATELY KIND OF BOND.
AND AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED JUST ABOUT THE THE TEAM AND JUST WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND DO IN THAT FIRST DAY.
AND SO IF YOU CAN JOIN US, WE WOULD OF COURSE LOVE TO TO HAVE YOU WITH THIS PARTICULAR THURSDAY.
THERE'S STILL SEATS AVAILABLE AS WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR DR.
LANE LEDBETTER GIVE US AN UPDATE FROM WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
JUST A FEW THINGS I'M SURE THAT HE'LL BE ASKED TO GIVE US AND TO SHARE.
AND THEN AS MAYOR, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, DEFINITELY WE ARE EXTREMELY EXCITED TO JUST BE ABLE TO TO HAVE OKTOBERFEST THIS YEAR.
NOT ONLY IS THIS THE THE SINGLE EVENT TO ALLOW THE CHAMBER TO GENERATE MOST OF THE FUNDS WE NEED TO OPERATE.
I'M ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE EXCITED ABOUT THE DATE THIS YEAR.
I FEEL LIKE DELAYING IT TWO WEEKS, I THINK IS ACTUALLY A BETTER TIME OF YEAR.
I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO MAYBE BE THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE BETTER WEATHER.
AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S ALSO OPENED UP TO WHERE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES HAVE PRESENTED THEMSELVES TO ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE THIS EVENT FOR THE CHAMBER.
WE'VE HAD OTHER VENDORS THAT COULDN'T MAKE IT IN THE PAST BUT ARE NOW ABLE TO ATTEND.
WE'VE ALSO HAD OTHER BANDS THAT CAN'T MAKE IT IN THE PAST CAN NOW ACTUALLY MAKE THIS EVENT THIS YEAR.
AND SO OUR INTENT IS ACTUALLY MAYBE TO USE THIS DATE ON A GO FORTH BASIS JUST BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT OPENED UP FOR US.
SO IT IS THE 15TH AND THE 17TH.
I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THE OFFER FROM MARK GILBERT HIMSELF THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE JOIN US, OF COURSE, IF YOU IF YOU'RE ALSO AS BRAVE ENOUGH TO MAYBE WEAR SOME LEDERHOSEN OR DIRNDL TO ACTUALLY HELP SUPPORT THE CAUSE.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE ACTUALLY BOUGHT A PAIR MYSELF BEING THAT MY WIFE IS GERMAN, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE JUST WOULD, OF COURSE, ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST BEING ABLE TO KIND OF WALK AROUND PEOPLE JUST, OF COURSE, FEEL IT'S AN EVEN MORE OF A FAMILY ATMOSPHERE.
SO WITH THAT, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER POTENTIAL QUESTIONS FOR ME.
VERY EXCITED, OF COURSE, TO SEE THE THE SPONSORS ARE NOT ONLY COMING BACK VERY STRONG, BUT ALSO JUST TO SEE THAT THAT I THINK THERE'S JUST A GROWING ATTITUDE OF PEOPLE WANTING TO SPEND THE TIME OUTSIDE WITH THEIR FAMILIES.
AND SO WE'RE JUST EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THE ATTENDANCE WILL BE THIS YEAR, ESPECIALLY AFTER LAST WEEK'S GRAPEVINE EVENT.
IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE Y'ALLS GROWTH AND EVERYONE'S SO ACTIVE ON EVERY RIBBON CUTTING WE ALL GO TO.
IT'S PACKED AND IT'S NEW FACES, TOO.
THERE'S SO MUCH SO SO MUCH NEW BLOOD GETTING PLUGGED INTO THE CHAMBER.
SO TESTAMENT TO ALL OF Y'ALLS LEADERSHIP.
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DO YOU ATTRIBUTE AS THE REASON FOR SO MANY NEW SIGN UPS, NEW BUSINESSES? FOR ONE, I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT STARTED UP DURING THE PANDEMIC FROM PEOPLE THAT WERE MAYBE IMPACTED NEGATIVELY FROM LOSS OF JOBS OR JUST LOOKED AT AS AN OPPORTUNITY OF HEY, THIS MAY BE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO LAUNCH MY BUSINESS.I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE MAYBE HAD ENOUGH CONFIDENCE YET THAT THINGS WERE OPENED UP ENOUGH YET TO START TO ACTUALLY NETWORKING IN LIKE THEY MAYBE WERE PRE-PANDEMIC.
AND I THINK THOSE THINGS OF WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY STARTING TO SEE IS IS.
BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THE SPACE THAT IT OPENED UP, AS WELL AS JUST THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING TO KIND OF NOW EXPAND.
SO IT'S JUST A NICE TIMING EFFECT, I THINK.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANKS, CLINT, WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ON OCTOBER 15TH.
I'M SURE WE'LL ALL BE IN LEDERHOSEN.
OK, MOVING ON TO NEXT WORK SESSION AGENDA ITEM, WE WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME OUR
[4. Transportation Bond Program Update by Commissioner Fickes]
VERY OWN TARRANT COUNTY COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER GARY FICKES.THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, SIR.
AND COMMISSIONER FICKES IS GOING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE IMPORTANT TRANSPORTATION BOND PROGRAM.
WELL, LISTEN, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY, AND I KIND OF FEEL LIKE I GREW UP HERE.
BUT IT WASN'T IN THIS BILL AND IT WAS THOSE FIVE MOBILE HOMES.
WASN'T QUITE AS NICE AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I'VE NOTICED YOU ARE MOST DEFINITELY THE TALLEST MAYOR SOUTHLAKE'S I LIKE THAT.
AND ALLEN HAS BEEN HERE LONGER THAN ANY OF US.
SO AND HE CONTINUES TO DO A GREAT JOB.
I WANTED TO COME THIS EVENING AND TALK TO YOU BRIEFLY ABOUT OUR BOND PROGRAM THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING TO THE VOTERS ON.
I BELIEVE IT'S NOVEMBER 2ND AND PROBABLY A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WE I WAS TALKING TO JUDGE WHITLEY AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT DOING ANOTHER BOND PROGRAM.
WE HAD NOT DONE ONE IN ABOUT 15 YEARS AT THAT TIME.
WE'RE THE COUNTY HAD A BOND PROGRAM AT THAT TIME FOR $200 MILLION, WHICH SEEMED LIKE JUST AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
BUT WHAT WE DID WITH THAT MONEY IS THAT WE OFFERED TO WORK WITH EACH CITY IN TARRANT COUNTY AND WE WOULD PAY FOR HALF OF YOUR PROJECT, PROJECTS YOU LIKED AND YOU THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE CAME UP.
HE AND I CAME UP WITH A NUMBER.
WE WENT TO OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND SAID, HEY, WE NEED TO GET OUR BOND COUNSEL.
AND OUR DEAL WHEN WE HAVE DONE BOND ISSUES IN THE PAST IS THAT THEY CANNOT HAVE AN EFFECT A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE TAX RATE.
SO WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT PRACTICE.
SO WE TALKED TO BOND COUNSEL AND THEY SAID, YOU CAN DO IT.
AND FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, IN COUNTY, Y'ALL ARE IN THE MUNICIPAL END, WE'RE IN THE COUNTY AND THERE'S APPROXIMATELY THIRTY TWO HUNDRED COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.
OUT OF THOSE THIRTY TWO HUNDRED COUNTIES, FORTY OF US HAVE A TRIPLE-A BOND RATING, AND WE OBVIOUSLY ARE ONE THAT THAT DOES.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT DALLAS COUNTY ALSO HAS A TRIPLE-A BOND RATING, AND BUT THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF THEIRS TOO.
THEY HAVE A VERY FISCALLY RUN COUNTY, AND SO DO WE.
SO WE FELT WE WERE IN GOOD SHAPE TO DO THIS AND MOVE THIS PROGRAM ALONG.
I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH A COUPLE LITTLE THINGS HERE AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE YOU ALWAYS HAVE A GOAL.
AND OUR GOAL IS WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC AND AND MOVING PEOPLE, IT'S ALL ABOUT REDUCING CONGESTION AND INCREASING MOBILITY.
AND THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, SAFETY ENHANCED SAFETY IS ALSO AN IMPORTANT THING.
WE LOVE TO SEE MULTIPLE CITIES THAT HAVE A SIMILAR ROAD, SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, KELLER PARKWAY.
I KNOW WE'RE DOING SOME THINGS FOR YOU WITH 2006 BOND MONEY THAT I STILL HAVE LEFT OVER IS DISCRETIONARY DOLLARS, BUT WE DO WORK OCCASIONALLY ON OVER IN KELLER ALSO ON KELLER PARKWAY.
SO WE LOVE THE WE LOVE PROJECTS THAT PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY AND PROVIDE
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THAT THROUGH TRAFFIC FOR ALL OF OUR CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA.NO TAX RATE INCREASE THAT AGAIN WAS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS, A BROAD RANGE OF PROJECTS AND AGENCIES PARTICIPATING.
WE WENT OUT AND TALKED, SENT OUT.
I SENT OUT AN EMAIL TO EVERY CITY MANAGER IN ALL THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTORS IN PRECINCT THREE, AND THAT'S 14, 14 CITIES ASKING THEM IF THEY WOULD MEET WITH US BY ZOOM AT THAT TIME AND TALK ABOUT PROJECTS.
THAT THEY MIGHT FEEL ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A 50 50 MATCH IN A BOND PROGRAM.
AND WE WE MET WITH STAFF AND AND HAD A, YOU KNOW, GREAT MEETINGS WITH ALL OF OUR CITIES.
AND I WILL SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT'S THE REASON THAT PRECINCT THREE GOT 40, ALMOST 45 PERCENT OF THE MONEY WHEN IT'S WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, WHICH IS UNHEARD OF.
OK, WHEN THERE'S FOUR PRECINCTS AND IT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO BE SOMEWHAT EQUAL.
WE HAD A BIGGER NEED AND WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW OUR NEED TO OUR PROJECT SELECTION COMMITTEE, OUR PROJECT EVALUATION COMMITTEE THAT WE HIRED AND YOUR FORMER MAYOR, LAURA HILL, WAS A MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE ALSO.
$400 MILLION WE DIVIDED INTO, I'LL CALL IT THREE BUCKETS.
WE HAD A $200 MILLION BUCKET AND THAT WAS THE 50 50 MATCHING IS REQUIRED.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE THE RANKING COMMITTEE LOOKED AT OR THE PROJECT EVALUATION COMMITTEE.
AND OUT OF THAT, WE HAD LIKE ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY SIX PROJECTS SUBMITTED.
SO THEY RANKED EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS.
AND WE HAD ENGINEERS AND NON ENGINEERS AND CITIZENS, AND SOME OF THEM WORK FOR CITIES.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD, I THINK, A GOOD CROSS-SECTION OF PEOPLE ON THAT RANKING COMMITTEE.
SO BUT WE HAD 200 MILLION IN THAT GROUP OF MONEY AND THEN WE HAVE DISCRETIONARY MONEY, WHICH IS SEVENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.
AND THAT $75 MILLION WILL BE ALLOCATED TO EACH FOUR AND FIVE, FOUR COMMISSIONERS AND THE COUNTY JUDGE AT A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS A YEAR FOR 10 YEARS.
SO THAT'S 75 MILLION DOLLARS TOTAL, $15 MILLION TOTAL TO EACH COMMISSIONER AND THE COUNTY JUDGE.
AND THEY CAN USE THAT MONEY ON ANY TRANSPORTATION PROJECT THAT THEY FEEL IS WORTHY IN THEIR PRECINCT.
AND THAT'S WE HAD THAT SAME KIND OF PROGRAM IN THE 2006 BOND ISSUE, AND THAT'S WHAT I USE ALL THE TIME TO DO IMPROVEMENTS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE FOR THE CITY.
I THINK WE'RE DOING SOME WORK ON LIKE I SAID ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.
WE'VE DONE TRAFFIC SIGNALS UP AND DOWN SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, KELLER PARKWAY, DAVIS BOULEVARD, ALL IN THIS AREA WHERE I'LL PUT UP MAYBE HALF OF THE MONEY AND WE'LL GET THE CITY TO PUT UP A FOURTH AND TXDOT MAYBE TO PUT UP A FOURTH OR WE'LL TRY TO GET WE'LL TRY TO GET TXDOT PUT UP HALF AND WE'LL US AND THE CITY WILL PUT A QUARTER EACH.
BUT ANY WAY WE CAN PARTNER AND TRY TO BRING SOMEBODY ELSE INTO PAY TO ME, ONE OF THE GREATEST PARTNERSHIP JOBS THAT HAS PROBABLY BEEN DONE IN THE METROPLEX WAS THIS U-TURN RIGHT UP HERE, RIGHT AT CARROLL, WHERE WE HAD THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE AND GATEWAY CHURCH, TXDOT ALL WORKING TOGETHER.
TXDOT I WANT TO SAY PUT UP A COUPLE OF MILLION AND WE PUT UP THE FOUR OF US PUT UP TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS EACH FOR A MILLION, AND WE HAD A PROJECT THAT GOT DONE QUICKER THAN ANYBODY WOULD A DREAM, WITHIN TWO YEARS.
IT WAS FROM START TO FINISH ENGINEERING TO CUTTING THE RIBBON.
AND I MEAN, IT WAS A GREAT PROJECT, WORKS WELL AND REALLY FULFILLED A TRANSPORTATION NEED IN OUR AREA.
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SO WE'VE GOT THAT.AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE $125 MILLION IS WHAT WE CALL COUNTYWIDE INITIATIVES AND PARTNERSHIPS, AND THIS IS FOR PROJECTS WHERE WE CAN PUT TWO OR THREE CITIES TOGETHER.
I DON'T THINK Y'ALL ARE INVOLVED IN ONE LIKE THAT.
THERE IS A POTENTIAL OUT THERE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
ON 114 THAT IS WIDENING 114 TO FOUR LANES EACH WAY.
AND I KNOW I THINK Y'ALL TALKED WITH JERRY HODGE AND I SUBMITTED A PACKAGE TO MICHAEL MORRIS AT THE RTC LAST WEEK ON THAT PROJECT, AND THAT ONE COULD POSSIBLY BRING IN WESTLAKE, TROPHY CLUB, MAYBE EVEN ROANOKE, SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH MULTIPLE MULTIPLE CITIES.
AND I'VE LEFT OUT DENTON COUNTY AND I UNDERSTAND THAT DENTON COUNTY IS PAYING FOR YOUR BRIDGE PROJECT.
ON [INAUDIBLE]? THE ONE IN THE FAR NORTHWEST [INAUDIBLE] THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL GOT THAT DONE, BUT CONGRATULATIONS.
THAT'S A GREAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DO A GOOD JOB.
SO ANYWAY, LET ME KEEP MOVING ON.
WE GOT THREE BUCKETS OF MONEY.
WE HAD 23 CITIES SUBMIT PROJECTS.
ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY FIVE PROJECTS TOTAL.
WHEN YOU ADDED UP ALL THE PROJECTS, ONE POINT FORTY SIX BILLION, OUR HALF WOULD HAVE BEEN 730 MILLION.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY.
SO THIS IS THE RANKING AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SOUTHLAKE PROJECT THAT IS IN HERE IS A COMBINED CONTINENTAL INTERSECTIONS.
IT'S ABOUT A FOUR AND A HALF FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.
COUNTY'S GOING TO PROVIDE HALF OF THAT.
TWO POINT TWENTY FIVE, TWO POINT TWO TWO FIVE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
AND THE CITY WILL PROVIDE THE OTHER HALF.
SO LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THAT PROJECT STARTED AND GOING.
AND AGAIN, WE WITH Y'ALL ALSO.
NOT ON THAT ONE, BUT WE SOME WE DID SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, I BELIEVE.
WORKING WITH THROUGH JERRY AND THEN THE PROJECT I JUST MENTIONED ON 114.
THAT ONE ON 114 WILL REALLY CLEAR UP THAT BOTTLENECK, THAT THAT'S THAT'S THERE.
AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE TIME.
I WILL NOT BE YOUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER WHEN THAT JOB IS FINISHED.
BUT SOMEBODY WILL BE AND WE'LL GET IT STARTED FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO CUT THAT RIBBON.
SO MOVING ON AGAIN, THERE WERE THIS IS TWENTY THREE LEAD AGENCY'S PROPOSED PARTNERSHIP PROJECTS.
ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE MILLION WERE.
THOSE ARE GOING TO BE DECIDED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT.
SO WE'LL BE WORKING ON THOSE PROJECTS.
THIRTY THREE PROJECTS ARE WITHIN THE CALL FOR PROJECTS, THAT WAS THAT LIST.
13 PROJECTS WERE IN PRECINCT THREE AND UNDER.
THIS WAS ALL UNDER THAT, THE $200 MILLION THAT WAS IN THAT BUCKET.
THIS IS A MAP OF THE WESTERN PART OF PRECINCT THREE.
YOU NEED A MICROSCOPE AND A SPOTLIGHT.
I'M GOING TO MOVE OFF OF THAT.
THIS IS THE WESTERN PORTION OF PRECINCT THREE.
THE BIGGEST PROJECT THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE ENTIRE PROGRAM IS AVONDALE HASLETT ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY Y'ALL FAMILIAR WITH AVONDALE HASLETT OR EVEN KNOW WHERE IT IS.
IT'S OVER OFF OF 287 AND FAR NORTH FORT WORTH.
IT'S AN EAST WEST THOROUGHFARE THAT IS A TWO LANE ROAD.
IT REMINDS ME OF 1709 AT ITS WORST, BACK IN LIKE 1990 OR 1993 BEFORE THEY STARTED CONSTRUCTION.
LOTS OF ACCIDENTS, LOTS OF PEOPLE.
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HIGH DENSITY.SO IT'S IT'S A 40, ABOUT A FORTY FIVE MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.
SO THAT'S THE LARGEST PROJECT THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE DOING.
WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ALL OUT.
OK, YOU'RE NOT ON THIS IS THERE.
WHERE ARE WE? THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
IT'S NOT ON THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT HERE.
BUT ANYWAY, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS PRIMARILY IN PRECINCT THREE.
GRAPEVINE DID NOT SUBMIT A PROJECT, SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN GRAPEVINE.
EULESS DID NOT SUBMIT A PROJECT.
COLLIERVILLE SUBMITTED A NUMBER OF THEM.
WE'LL TAKE GRAPEVINE'S MONEY IF YOU WANT.
WHAT'S THAT? WE'LL TAKE GRAPEVINE'S MONEY.
YEAH, THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT A PROJECT.
WE'RE DOING STUFF IN GRAPEVINE.
SO BUT THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE BONDAGE.
AND NOW WHY AM I HERE? I'M HERE NOT JUST TO TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING.
NONE OF THIS HAPPENS IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS BOND ISSUE.
FORT WORTH, ALL OF THEIR PROJECTS, THEY'RE PUTTING ON A BOND ISSUE FOR MAY.
MOST OF THEM, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT A LARGE PORTION OF THEM.
WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS BOND ISSUE.
I'M NOT HERE TO TELL YOU TO VOTE FOR IT, YES OR NO.
DOES SUPPORT MEAN THE SAME THING IS VOTED ALLEN? LOOKING AT ALLEN THERE.
YOU SAY, NO, I DON'T HEAR WELL, ANYWAY.
IT'S A UNIQUE TIME WHEN WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER AND AND TRULY MAKE SOME SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS TO TRANSPORTATION IN OUR AREA.
EARLY VOTING STARTS ON THE 18TH OF OCTOBER AND ELECTION DAY IS NOVEMBER THE 7TH 2ND, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYBODY MIGHT HAVE.
WELL, THAT'S A THAT'S A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION, COMMISSIONER FICKES.
AND BEFORE I OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS, LET ME JUST SAY THAT I THINK YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, AS USUAL, UNDERSTATING YOUR YOUR ROLE IN ALL THIS.
YOU KNOW, WE PRECINCT THREE GOT THE MOST MONEY NOT ONLY BECAUSE IT HAD THE MOST NEED, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BEST COMMISSIONER WHO FIGHTS FIGHTS FOR US AND FIGHTS FOR OUR PROJECTS.
SO WE WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP.
WELL, THANK Y'ALL FOR LETTING ME COME UP.
ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER FICKES? I JUST HAVE ONE.
I KNOW THIS ISN'T TARRANT COUNTY, BUT AND I'M SURE YOU, I THINK, WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
WHAT? WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR 114 AT 377? THERE'S A CONTRACT TO GO AHEAD TO BUILD THAT.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
IF YOU JUST JUST WEST OF THAT, I MEAN, JUST LIKE TEN FEET, THEY'RE PUTTING THE PIERS IN AND ALL THAT FOR THE OVERPASS.
AND THAT'S ALL BEING THAT CONTRACT'S BEEN LET AND THEY'RE DOING THAT NOW.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WHEN THAT GETS FINISHED, THEN YOU'VE GOT THREE LANES EACH WAY COMING BACK TO SOUTHLAKE AND, YOU KNOW, BACK THROUGH WESTLAKE TROPHY CLUB IN THE SOUTHLAKE TO GRAPEVINE.
I WAS MENTIONING THAT I TURNED OVER TO THE RTC LAST WEEK FOR MICHAEL MORRIS TO LOOK AT AND REVIEW AND FIGURE OUT IF HE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE TO FIND THE MONEY TO DO THAT PART OF IT, THE NEXT PART.
SO BUT IT'S HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THAT'S IN ANOTHER CAMP.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT FINISH DATE OF THAT.
BUT MY GUESS IS IT'S, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A YEAR AND A YEAR AND A HALF AWAY.
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AND THAT'S GOOD.SO BUT IT THEY'LL BE BUILDING THE MAIN LINES ALL THE WAY TO TO WHEREVER THEY STOP COMING BACK FROM THE WEST.
SOMEWHERE THERE AROUND THE RACETRACK.
SO ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, Y'ALL? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FICKES.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THE NEXT TIME.
MORE MONEY FOR ROADS IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO WORK SESSION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, MUNICIPAL
[5. Municipal Service Center - Alternate Design Options]
SERVICE CENTER ALTERNATE DESIGN OPTIONS AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ALLISON ORTOWSKI HAS SOME UPDATES FOR US.YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT AT YOUR SUMMER WORKSHOP, WE PRESENTED TO YOU THE INITIAL PLANS FOR THE NEW MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER THAT'S PLANNED TO BE LOCATED OFF OF BRUMLOW AVENUE.
AND AT THAT MEETING, STAFF WAS ASKED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOME DIFFERENT ELEVATION OPTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
AND SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS IS THE LOCATION AND THE INITIAL SITE PLAN LAYOUT.
YOU SEE, IT'S JUST OFF OF BRUMLOW AVENUE IN THE SHADED AREA, ON THE MAP, ON THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER, AND THE NEW FACILITY WILL INCLUDE OUR UTILITY BILLING, CUSTOMER SERVICE, DIVISIONS IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT RELATED TO ENVIRONMENTAL WATER WASTE WATER STREETS DRAINAGE.
OUR TRANSPORTATION STAFF WILL MOVE OVER THERE AND WE'LL ALSO INCLUDE SOME CLASSROOM TRAINING AND OTHER STAFF NEEDS IN THE BUILDING.
THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE JUST GOING TO PROVIDE YOU A PICTURE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TRAVELING DOWN BRUMLOW TODAY SO THAT YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS FACILITY WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE ENVIRONMENT BASED ON THE ALTERNATE OPTIONS WE'RE GIVING YOU.
AND THIS VIEW, WE'RE STARTING JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE FACILITY.
IF YOU LOOK OFF IN THE DISTANCE, OUR PIECE OF LAND IS JUST ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, AND ON EACH OF THESE SLIDES, THERE'S A LITTLE LOCATOR MAP IN THE TOP CORNER TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.
SO GETTING CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY JUST ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THIS IS THE ACTUAL PROPERTY, WE ARE RIGHT NEXT TO [INAUDIBLE] POOLS.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET.
LOOKING TOWARDS THE WEST, MOVING BACK.
AND THE SECOND PROPERTY THAT'S NEXT DOOR.
AND GETTING DOWN TO ALPINE MATERIALS, TRAVELING FURTHER SOUTH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE TANK FARMS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN AND THEN MOVING TO THE COUPLE OF FINAL PROPERTIES THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU GET TO THE STORAGE FACILITY.
SO THAT JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE FACILITY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THE ENVIRONMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU THREE OPTIONS TONIGHT.
THE FIRST OPTION IS THIS IS AN ACTUAL RENDERING OF THE ELEVATION WE SHOWED YOU AT THE SUMMER WORKSHOP.
SO WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU FOR EACH ONE OF THESE OPTIONS, AN OPTION THAT IS LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STREET AND THEN ALSO ONE THAT GOES TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING BACK TOWARDS BRUMLOW ALONG THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN LOOKING BACK TOWARD BRUMLOW, AND YOU CAN SEE WE DIRECTOR COHAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE ELEVATION CHANGE ON THAT PROPERTY AT THE SUMMER WORKSHOP, SO THESE ELEVATION AND RENDERINGS REALLY SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
THIS IS OPTION TWO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE ROOFLINE AND A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ENTRANCE.
AND I'M SORRY LOOKING ALONG THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
PICKS UP ON SOME OF THE OTHER DESIGNS WE HAVE ACROSS THE CITY WITH CITY FACILITIES, THE RED BRICK, THE ROOF CAPS.
SO THIS ONE SHOWS YOU KIND OF ALL THREE OF THEM.
AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD ONCE WE SELECT A DESIGN, THEN WE'LL GET SOME FINAL COST ESTIMATES AND MOVE FORWARD WITH COMPLETING THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT.
SO WE'RE OPEN TO HEARING ANY FEEDBACK.
IF YOU LIKE SOME ELEMENTS OF ONE THAT YOU WANT THE DESIGNER TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WITH ANOTHER.
THESE AREN'T SET IN STONE, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO GIVE US SOME DIRECTION ON HOW TO PROCEED.
THEY ALL LOOK GREAT, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S ELEMENTS TO LIKE ABOUT THEM ALL.
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I, I TEND TO GRAVITATE TOWARDS TWO, ALTHOUGH IT'S SLIGHTLY MORE MODERN THAN THREE.YEAH, I LIKE TO AS WELL JUST IN LOOKING AT THEM THIS WAY.
WE DO HAVE THOSE AROUND THE CITY, BUT TO ME, IT REMINDS ME MORE OF OF.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, ONE OF OUR FIRE STATIONS OR POLICE STATIONS.
AND ONE REMINDS ME MORE OF ONE OF OUR SCHOOLS.
SO WHICH WHICH ARE ALL GREAT DESIGNS IN OUR CITY.
AND SO I THINK TWO IS MAYBE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THOSE RESPECTS FOR ME, BUT I THINK THEY'RE ALL GREAT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THESE, SO THEY LOOK.
I LIKE ONE, BUT I CAN LIVE WITH TWO.
BUT I THINK WHAT I LIKE ABOUT ONE AND I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD MAYBE COMBINE.
SO I THINK WHAT I LIKE ABOUT ONE IS THAT HIGHER FROM THE, I GUESS, THE OVERHANG [INAUDIBLE], WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, WOULD CALL THAT THE PORCH OVERHANG, THE HIGHER UP A LITTLE BIT, THE OTHER ONE, THE WAY THAT THE THE WAY THAT NUMBER TWO HAS THE.
YES, I LIKE THE SIGN THE CLEANNESS OF THE SIGN VERSUS THE SIGN IN THE LITTLE ITTY BITTY ROOFLINE ON NUMBER TWO.
WELL, MAYBE WE CAN RAISE THAT FRONT.
THE ROOF ON THE FRONT PART WITH THE SIGN.
I REALLY LIKE THE DETAIL KIND OF THE CROWN DETAIL OF THAT, THE FRONT PART WHERE THAT WHERE THE SOUTHLAKE MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER IS.
MAYBE WE CAN MAYBE JUST RAISE THE ROOF OF THAT.
AND WE CAN TALK TO THE ARCHITECT ABOUT.
I WONDER WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH LIKE A RED BRICK LIKE IF YOU KIND OF PULLED THE RED BRICK FROM THREE INTO TWO? I THINK A RED BRICK.
PERSONALLY, I THINK THE SECOND ONE GIVES IT A MORE MODERN FEELING.
I THINK COMBINING THE RED BRICK MAKES IT MORE TRADITIONAL WITH THAT LOOK, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD LOOK THE SAME TO ME.
I MEAN, I'M FINE IF YOU RAISE IT SOME.
IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANY EVEN POTENTIAL COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TYPES OF? THERE ARE.
THE THE THE MORE DETAIL WE START TO ADD THE IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE COSTS.
SO WHICH OF THESE IS LEANS TOWARDS THE MOST COST EFFICIENT DESIGN? I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO DIRECTOR COHAN.
BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT OPTION ONE THAT WE PRESENTED INITIALLY IS THE LEANEST OPTION.
CAN YOU GO TO THREE AGAIN REAL QUICK? YEAH.
SO I LIKE OPTION TWO ALSO, BUT I DO CONCUR WITH THE MAYOR.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THE RED IN IT TO PULL, TO GET TO PULL A LITTLE BIT OF THE OTHER CITY BUILDINGS IN.
BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT ONE DOES HAVE SORT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LOOK, YOU DON'T WANT TO MISTAKE IT FOR A FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT I DO LIKE SORT OF COORDINATING JUST A BIT WITH THE OTHER CITIES AROUND TOWN.
I MEAN, IF IT WERE TWO AND THERE WERE NO OTHER OPTIONS, I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT IT'D BE NICE TO SEE A RENDERING WITH A LITTLE BIT OF THAT RED BRICK BROUGHT IN.
WE CAN CREATE A VARIATION FOR THAT.
MAYBE WORK ON TWO AND LOOK AT SOME SOME OPTIONS TO MAKE THAT TALLER TO COUNCILWOMAN.
IS THAT A BROWNISH BRICK? WE MIGHT EVEN CONSIDER LOOKING AT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DPS NORTH DOESN'T HAVE THE RED BRICK, BUT IT DOES HAVE A DIFFERENT COLOR.
THERE'S NO OTHER RED BRICK BUILDINGS ALONG THE ROAD, SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER HOW THAT WOULD LOOK IN THE [INAUDIBLE].
I'M NOT A FAN OF THE RED BRICK IN THIS LOCATION.
I JUST THINK IT AND I THINK A NEW MODERN BUILDING LIKE RED, IT LOOKS DATED TO ME.
BUT BUT YOU KNOW, THAT SAID, WHO KNOWS, YOU SEE A RENDERING.
YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THAT LOOKS GREAT.
WE CAN PLAY WITH SOME DIFFERENT YEAH, YEAH.
I MEAN, I THINK DIRECTIONALLY THAT MAKES SOME SENSE.
EVERYONE GOOD WITH THAT? SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE.
I'LL JUST SAY THAT I KIND OF THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
ARE WE COMFORTABLE MOVING AWAY THEMATICALLY FROM WHAT THE REST OF OUR BUILDINGS HAVE LOOK LIKE THAT WE'VE BUILT OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS? AND THE MORE TRADITIONAL STUFF, IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, LISTEN, I LEAN INTO THIS TOO ON A PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING COMFORTING FOR RESIDENTS NONRESIDENTS ALIKE AS THEY'RE COMING THROUGH TOWN TO KIND OF IDENTIFY WITH A CERTAIN THEME OF A MUNICIPAL BUILDING.
AND SO WHETHER WE ARE IN LOVE WITH HISTORICAL MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS OR NOT, OR IF WE WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THEM AND START GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, SO BE IT.
BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT IF WE DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO BE SETTING A NEW PATTERN FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE DO FROM A MUNICIPAL PERSPECTIVE GOING FORWARD.
AND IT'S CERTAINLY OUT OF CHARACTER FROM WHAT WE'VE BUILT OVER THE LAST DECADE.
I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE EXPLAINING IT WITH EXISTING BRICK COLORS AND THE LIKE MIGHT CHANGE IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAN OUR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY
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BUILDINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE BUILT RECENTLY.SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT.
AND ARE WE ALL COMFORTABLE KIND OF BREAKING AWAY FROM THAT? I PERSONALLY AM NOT EVEN THOUGH I LIKE THIS STYLE BETTER.
I DON'T THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
SO I ASKED STAFF TO GO BACK AND REVISE THIS FOR ALMOST EXACTLY THAT REASON.
LIKE, I LOVE TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURE.
WE ATE AT MUCHACHO'S LAST NIGHT AND WE PARKED ON THE OR THE THE OLD HARKINS SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT AND WE WERE TURNING WEST AND IT WAS AT SUNSET.
AND DPS HQ IS JUST LIKE, RIGHT, LIKE YOU COULD SEE IT.
I MEAN, THE WAY THEY BUILT IT WAS RIGHT AT THE END OF THE ON THE HORIZON AT THE END OF THAT ROAD.
AND IT'S I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE MOST STRIKING VIEWS IN SOUTHLAKE, I THINK IT'S GORGEOUS ARCHITECTURE.
I MEAN, I WOULD GO SUPER TRADITIONAL, BUT I DIDN'T.
I MEAN, IT'S WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO.
I MEAN, I'D LOOK AT SOME REALLY TRADITIONAL OPTIONS IF.
YEAH, I MEAN, I LOOK AT THAT BUILDING EVERY DAY AND LOVE IT.
I ACTUALLY HAVE IMAGES OF IT IN MY IN MY OFFICE, MY WORK OFFICE.
AND SO I JUST THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF WHAT WE'RE GIVING STAFF DIRECTION ON BECAUSE THIS WILL KIND OF SET THE TONE GOING FORWARD.
AGAIN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS STYLE.
IF I WERE BUILDING SOMETHING FOR MYSELF, I WOULD LEAN INTO THIS, BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON THE GROUND.
SO BUT I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE BUILDING THIS VERSUS WHERE THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ONES RIGHT NEXT TO TOWN SQUARE, ONE'S, YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A SUPER NICE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THIS ONE'S REALLY IN A VERY INDUSTRIAL HEAVY AREA, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE THIS KIND OF ELEVATION CHANGE.
IF THIS WERE A FLAT BUILDING AND IT WERE A TWO STORY BIG BUILDING, IT PROBABLY WOULD LOOK MORE LIKE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
BUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS, THIS SUBLEVEL FLOOR, I THINK IT'S GIVEN US A DIFFERENT LOOK.
I MEAN, YEAH, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF [INAUDIBLE], BUT I.
HOW HOW HOW EXPENSIVE WOULD IT BE TO LOOK AT A MORE TRADITIONAL OPTION? AT THIS STAGE? NOT ANYTHING DETAIL, BUT JUST A RENDERING.
IT'S PART OF OUR DESIGN CONTRACT WITH THE ARCHITECT.
WE CAN HAVE THEM REVISE SOME RENDERINGS AND HAVE YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
THE EXPENSE COMES IN WHEN WE START TO SPEC IT OUT.
AND SOME OF THE CASTING IS CONSISTENT AND EVEN THE COLOR A LITTLE BIT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE THE.
TO ME, THAT LOOKS LIKE A STRIP CENTER.
LOOKS LIKE I'M GOING TO EAT IT.
I DON'T KNOW A PIZZA JOINT OR A TACO JOINT SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
I'M NOT A FAN, NOT A NOT A FAN OF THREE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LET THE ARCHITECT KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER PATTON'S COMMENTS AND LET THEM JUST GIVE THEM A SHOT AT BUILDING SOMETHING OR DESIGNING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE KIND OF A COMBINATION BETWEEN TWO AND THREE TO SOME DEGREE.
AGAIN, THE COLORS MIGHT, MIGHT ENHANCE THAT.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING ABOUT PUTTING THE RED INTO TWO MIGHT, MIGHT STRIKE THAT COMPROMISE A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, I THINK IT'S OK TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT CHANGE PERSONALLY, AND I THINK IT'S OK TO MOVE AS WE BUILD NEW THINGS TO MOVE WITH WHAT'S CURRENT.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE ABANDON OUR LOOK OR FEEL, BUT IT IS A PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING ON BRUMLOW.
SO IT'S IT'S A DIFFERENT LOCATION THAN WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE.
IT'S A DIFFERENT AND I THINK CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT IS A GOOD THING WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING STANDARDS AND BUILDING NEW BUILDINGS AND AND AT SOME POINT SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS COULD BE TORN DOWN.
WE COULD START OVER AND THEN MIGHT LOOK BACK AND GO, WELL, WHY DID WE DO A TRADITIONAL BUILDING IN 2021, WHEN THINGS HAD CHANGED? SO I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, AND I DON'T LIKE THREE AT ALL FOR MANY REASONS.
I DON'T LOVE THE ROOF LINES LIKE THAT.
WE COULD STICK TO FLAT AND AND MODERN, IF YOU WILL, BUT KEEP SOME TRADITIONAL ELEMENTS AND KEEP A LOOK AND STYLE.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A COMPROMISE HERE SOMEWHERE.
YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU ASK HIM TO, ALISON? WHY DON'T YOU ASK HIM TO GIVE IT, JUST BE CREATIVE AND GIVE US SOMETHING MORE IN KEEPING WITH DPS HQ JUST FOR US TO LOOK AT, BUT MAYBE RUNNING IN THE DIRECTION OF NUMBER TWO? YEAH, DEFINITELY.
WE'LL WE'LL REVIEW THE CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION AND BRING YOU BACK A COUPLE OF OPTIONS TO LOOK AT.
APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
SO MOVING ON, WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS ALL THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT.
[6. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session.]
ITEM NUMBER 4A APPROVE MINUTES FOR THE SEPTEMBER 7, 2021 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.ITEM NUMBER 4B APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 21-041 AMENDING THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE PERSONNEL POLICY NUMBER 704.
ITEM 4C APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 21-042 APPROVING THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE PAID
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QUARANTINE LEAVE FOR FIREFIGHTERS AND PEACE OFFICERS POLICY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.4D APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 21-043 APPROVING A CITY OF SOUTHLAKE MENTAL HEALTH LEAVE FOR PEACE OFFICERS POLICY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4E APPROVE RENEWAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO THE SOUTHLAKE TENNIS CENTER MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH ROXY TENNIS LLC FOR A TERM JANUARY 1ST, 2022 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
4F ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-FFFFF FIRST READING AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 480, AS AMENDED PERTAINING TO THE SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM, COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR DINING AREAS, BREWPUBS AND OTHER SIMILAR USES.
4G RESOLUTION NUMBER 21-029 ADOPTING AND THE PROPOSED FRAMEWORK ROLE RESPONSIBILITIES AND PROVIDING APPOINTMENT OF A TARGETED INDUSTRY RECRUITMENT TASK FORCE.
THAT'S ITEM NUMBER ZA21-0057 SITE PLAN TO INCLUDE A VARIANCE MASONRY ORDINANCE NUMBER 507 AS AMENDED FOR NATUZZI.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO PUT ON THE AGENDA OR THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES, MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE ADD ITEM NINE A.
OTHERWISE KNOWN AS SV21-0018, WHICH IS THE SIGN VARIANCE FOR BLOOMFIELD HOME, LOCATED AT 1050 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114 SUITE 200, IT'D BE APPROVING THE VARIANCE TO ALLOW AN UPPER STORY ATTACHED SIGN.
ANYTHING ELSE? SO JUST AS FAR AS TO BE CLEAR 4A SHOULD READ REGULAR CITY COUNCIL.
ARE WE GOING TO MOVE THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THEN APPOINT MEMBERS? OR HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK? YES, WE WILL ACTUALLY NAME THE.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT NOW IF YOU WANT.
WE'VE GOT A LIST, BUT WE CAN NAME THE FOLKS IN THE MOTION.
AND THEN AND THEN WE APPROVE THAT.
THERE WILL BE TWO TWO MODIFICATIONS TO THE WAY THIS ORDINANCE IS GOING TO READ OR THE RESOLUTION.
SO IN THE THE BULLET POINTS DOWN, IT SAYS THE TASK FORCE WILL BE MADE UP OF SEVEN APPOINTED MEMBERS.
WE'RE GOING TO SAY AT LEAST SEVEN AND THEN IT SAYS 50 PERCENT SOUTHLAKE RESIDENTS.
AND WE'LL BE AMENDING THAT TO SAY AT LEAST 50 PERCENT SOUTHLAKE RESIDENTS.
AS MANY SOUTHLAKE RESIDENTS AS POSSIBLE, THE MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL, BUT AT LEAST 50 PERCENT.
AND ALLEN, SHOULD WE NAME THE ACTUAL MEMBERS NOW OR DO WE CAN DO THAT WHEN WE'RE APPROVING THE AGENDA ITEM? OK.
OK, WELL, I'LL JUST READ THE LIST AND YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS TELL ME IF WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS, SO.
SO AS WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER THIS LIST, WE WERE, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, REALLY COGNIZANT OF PULLING DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES AND BACKGROUNDS, AND REALLY FORMING A TASK FORCE THAT WE CAN SEND OUT TO THE LARGER DFW METRO AREA OR STATE OR NATION TO RECRUIT THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT AND THE TYPE OF COMPANIES AND THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES, THE TYPE OF BUSINESS OWNERS THAT WE WANT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.
SO THAT'S THAT'S THE GOAL TO AND IN MY OPINION, IS THE MORE THE MERRIER FOR THIS SORT OF PROJECT.
WE WANT AS MANY PEOPLE KIND OF WORKING ON OUR BEHALF AS POSSIBLE.
SO I'LL RUN THROUGH THESE NAMES.
[INAUDIBLE] MALIK, WHO'S A COMMERCIAL BROKER.
STEVE SIMCOX, WHO'S AN ATTORNEY.
LAUREN FANNING, WHO'S AN ATTORNEY IN PRIVATE EQUITY.
MARTIN SCHILLING, JAMES [INAUDIBLE] AND PAM [INAUDIBLE].
DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE LIST.
IT'S IT'S A WIDE VARIETY OF BACKGROUNDS AND A LOT OF REALLY SUCCESSFUL FOLKS WHO'VE AGREED TO KIND OF STEP UP AND HELP US IN THIS WAY.
CAN I THROW OUT ONE ADDITIONAL NAME AND SEE IF THERE'S BEEN ANY DISCUSSION AROUND THAT? SURE.
WHAT ABOUT MARTIN SCHILLING? YEAH, HE'S ON IT.
I KNOW THAT HIS NAME HAD BEEN TOSSED AROUND BEFORE, SO I WASN'T SURE.
I THINK THAT'S A SECOND RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, MARTIN, WE LOVE YOU NOW AND THIS.
THIS TASK FORCE WILL OPERATE LOOSELY UNDER THE OVERSIGHT OF THE CDC, WHICH MARTIN'S CHAIR.
ANY ANY THOUGHTS EITHER WAY ON ANYBODY ELSE WE WANT? SO WE'LL BE MAKING MOTION WITH THAT.
I'LL GIVE YOU THAT LIST AND THEN WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S AT LEAST SEVEN.
SO WE WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO GO UP AND DOWN OFF OF THAT NUMBER.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THESE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? ANYBODY NEED ANY FEEDBACK FROM STAFF? YES.
MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE DIRECTOR TRIBBLE IF HE COULD COME UP AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 4E.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I'M LOOKING THROUGH THE THE SOUTHLAKE TENNIS CENTER DASHBOARD FOR FISCAL YEAR
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2021.AND IT LOOKS LIKE FROM A DISCUSSION THAT YOU AND I HAD PREVIOUSLY THAT THE PLAY HAS MAINTAINED AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL EVEN THROUGH COVID, AND IT'S RECOVERING NICELY EVEN THIS YEAR.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF MOVEMENT HERE WITH SOME OF THE NUMBERS, SO I THINK YOU EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THAT'S JUST A RESULT OF SOME COVID RECOVERY.
BUT JUST IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT JUST A BIT.
SO FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THE SEPTEMBER TO DECEMBER FOR 2021.
THIS REPORT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET WAS RUN RIGHT AT THE FIRST PART OF SEPTEMBER.
SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL OF SEPTEMBER.
AND OF COURSE, IT DOESN'T HAVE OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER AT THIS TIME, EITHER.
THE SAME THING WITH THE JULY THROUGH SEPTEMBER FOR THE ADULT PARTICIPATION IN TERMS OF TEAM LEAGUES.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST A PARTIAL SEPTEMBER AND I WILL NEED TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON WHAT THE DROP WAS IN JANUARY TO MARCH.
THE ONLY UNDERSTANDING I HAVE IS THAT IT WAS COVID RELATED, BUT I HAVE.
I WILL LOOK INTO THAT AND RESPOND BACK TO YOU IF THERE'S ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.
AND THEN ONE OTHER THING I NOTED ON THE CUSTOMER SATISFACTION SURVEYS, IT SEEMS A LITTLE PERPLEXING.
I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO HAVE THE ANSWER ON THIS.
MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU DON'T.
BUT EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT, EXCEPT FOR 2020.
WE HAD A REALLY HIGH NPS SCORE TWO COMPLAINTS, BUT IT DIDN'T MEET THE STANDARD.
SO I'M KIND OF NOT FOLLOWING ALONG ON HOW TO INTERPRET THAT.
I THINK THAT THE THE STANDARD IS SHOWING THERE.
IT CERTAINLY MEETS THE STANDARD, I MEAN, OUR DEPARTMENT STANDARD IS 60, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S SHOWING THAT IT DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE.
OK, MAYBE THAT'S AN ERROR IN WHERE IT WAS DROPPED.
I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH WITH OUR TEAM ON THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? SO WE DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST FOR ITEM NUMBER 4F.
MR. JASON DYERS, MR. DYER HERE IN THE AUDIENCE YET? SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LET YOU COME ON DOWN AND ADDRESS COUNCIL.
IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
AND THEN SO THE LIGHT IS HOW WE KEEP TRACK OF TIME.
GREEN MEANS YOU STILL HAVE TIME.
YELLOW MEANS ONE MINUTE LEFT AND THEN RED MEANS YOUR REMARKS ABOUT TO GET CUT, SO.
JASON DYER ADDRESS IS 709 [INAUDIBLE] DRIVE.
GLAD YOU JOINED US! YEAH, THANK YOU.
SO I SAW THE ITEM ABOUT ZONING, AND ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THERE IS BREW PUBS AND BREWERIES.
I AM AN ASPIRING ENTREPRENEUR.
I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO OPEN A BREWERY IN THIS TOWN.
11 YEAR RESIDENT, KIDS IN THE SCHOOL PROGRAM, PLAY TENNIS AT THE TENNIS CENTER.
I THINK I NEED TO MEET THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, GENTLEMEN, WHEN I LEAVE THIS MEETING, BUT I'D LIKE TO OPEN A BREWERY HERE I'D LIKE.
IT'S SOMETHING I THINK OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS, AND I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE RESOLUTION, SO I WANT TO COME DOWN AND SUPPORT IT.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY SEEING AN APPLICATION FOR YOU IN THE FUTURE.
[1. Call to order.]
OK, WELL, WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE REGULAR SESSION TO ORDER, AND THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.[2. A. Executive Session]
SO AS MAYOR, I HEREBY ADVISE YOU THAT WE'RE GOING INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM A CITY ATTORNEY AND SECTION 551.087 TO DELIBERATE REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS, AND WE SHOULD BE BACK BY 7? 30.OK, WITH THAT, WE WILL CALL THE REGULAR SESSION OF THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
IS THERE ANY ACTION NECESSARY FOLLOWING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO MAYOR.
WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE A.
[3. REPORTS]
THE MAYOR'S REPORT AND ALL I HAVE THIS EVENING, I'D LIKE TO INVITE EVERYBODY TO AN EVENT THAT WE'RE HAVING IN HONOR OF NATIONAL HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH.HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, A GROUP CALLED [INAUDIBLE] SOUTHLAKE IS PUTTING TOGETHER A REALLY COOL FIESTA THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE TOWN SQUARE SUNDAY, OCTOBER 3RD.
IT'S GOING TO BE ALL KINDS OF GREAT FOOD TRUCKS, ALL GREAT KINDS OF FUN CULTURAL EVENTS AND DANCERS AND ENTERTAINMENT AND SINGERS AND BANDS.
REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF THE AWESOME HISPANIC AND LATINO COMMUNITY HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT ALL KINDS OF CULTURES ACROSS THE LATIN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
SUNDAY, OCTOBER 3RD I HOPE YOU GUYS PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR AND HOPE TO SEE EVERYBODY IN THE TOWN SQUARE THEN.
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SO WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 3B CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ALISON ORTOWSKI AND CFO SHARON JACKSON WILL HIGHLIGHT NATIONAL IT PROFESSIONALS DAY.SEPTEMBER 21ST, I BELIEVE, IS NATIONAL IT PROFESSIONALS DAY.
SO CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER JACKSON IS GOING TO PROVIDE US SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF OUR OWN PROFESSIONAL IT STAFF.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US A MOMENT TO HIGHLIGHT AN IMPORTANT TEAM OF THE CITY'S OPERATIONS, AND THAT IS OUR IT TEAM.
NOT A MINUTE GOES BY WHEN BUSINESSES AND END USERS DON'T BENEFIT FROM THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF IT PROFESSIONALS.
THE ANNUAL IT PROFESSIONAL DAY IS CELEBRATED ON THE THIRD TUESDAY OF SEPTEMBER IS A FAIRLY NEW HOLIDAY WAS CREATED IN 2015 TO THANK ALL THOSE WHO KEEP THE WHEELS OF IT TURNING WHILE MAKING IT ALL LOOK SO EASY.
IT'S A DAY TO CELEBRATE THE INCREASINGLY ENORMOUS RANGE OF TECHNOLOGIES AND RAPID PACE OF CHANGE THAT OUR IT PROFESSIONALS MUST MANAGED, MUST MANAGE DAY TO DAY.
THIS PAST YEAR WITH THE PANDEMIC, THE IT PROFESSIONALS AROUND THE WORLD WERE REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT BUSINESSES DID NOT MISS A BEAT WHILE MAINTAINING AVAILABILITY AND PERFORMANCE.
SO AGAIN, WE THANK THEM FOR ALL THAT THEY DO.
AS I SAID, THE WORK IN IT IS IMPORTANT, SUBSTANTIAL AND VARIED.
THEY DESERVE OUR THANKS EVERY DAY, BUT ESPECIALLY ON A DAY THAT IS SET ASIDE TO RECOGNIZE THEM.
SO TO EVERYONE IN THE IT DEPARTMENT, WE EXPRESS OUR SINCERE GRATITUDE AND HOPE YOU ALL ENJOY THIS DAY AND THANK YOU.
AND YES, THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR AWESOME IT PROFESSIONALS.
HEAVEN KNOWS ALL OF US WOULD BE LOST WITHOUT IT TRYING TO DEAL WITH OUR IPADS AND PHONES AND WI-FI AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEARTS, WE DO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
COUNCIL, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON ON THAT? I THINK I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE.
YOU GUYS KNOW HOW TO WORK ALL THIS STUFF BECAUSE WE DON'T.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEMS 4A THROUGH 4H OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.SO WE PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED ALL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. WE DID MOVE A FEW FROM OUR REGULAR AGENDA TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA 9A.
AND THEN WE WILL KNOW ONE MORE TIME THAT ITEM 4H REQUESTED THAT THIS ITEM BE TABLED INDEFINITELY.
WITH THAT, IS THERE A MOTION? YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE.
WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 4A THROUGH 4H OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS THE CONSENT AGENDA, NOTING THAT WE ARE GOING TO ADD 4H, WHICH IS TABLED ZA21-0057, WHICH IS A SITE PLAN TO INCLUDE A VARIANCE TO THE MASONRY ORDINANCE NUMBER FIVE FIVE SEVEN AS AMENDED FOR NATUZZI.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OF THE LANGUAGE AND IDENTIFY THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS FOR 4G.
4G IS RESOLUTION NUMBER TWO ONE ZERO TWO NINE, ADOPTING THE PROPOSED FRAMEWORK ROLE RESPONSIBILITIES AND PROVIDING THE APPOINTMENT OF A TARGET INDUSTRY RECRUITMENT TASK FORCE WITH THE OVERSIGHT FROM THE COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OF THE LANGUAGE TO MODIFY IT, SO THE TASK FORCE WILL BE MADE UP OF AT LEAST SEVEN APPOINTED MEMBERS AND THE TASK FORCE WILL BE MADE OF MADE UP OF AT LEAST 50 PERCENT OF THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTHLAKE.
THOSE INDIVIDUALS IDENTIFIED FOR THE TASK FORCE INCLUDE [INAUDIBLE] MALIK, KUSH RAO, STEVE SIMCOX, TIM DAVIS, LAUREN FANNING, GREG KRAUSS, MARY GRACE TENNIS, EMILY WILLIAMS KNIGHT, MARTIN SCHILLING, JAMES [INAUDIBLE] AND PAM [INAUDIBLE].
YOU GET ALL THAT? OK, AND THEN WE'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD 9A TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS S.V.
21-0018, WHICH IS A SIGN VARIANCE FOR BLOOMFIELD HOMES LOCATED AT 1050 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114, SUITE TWO HUNDRED.
AND WOULD YOU ALSO NOTE ON 4A THAT IT'S WE'RE APPROVING THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING RATHER THAN A SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING? NOTED.
AND THEN ON 7C, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ARE MOVING THIS TO CONSENT TO TABLE INDEFINITELY, NOT TO APPROVE.
TO CONFIRM 7C ORDINANCE NUMBER THREE THREE SEVEN EIGHT IS TO TABLE TO A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING.
SO TABLING INDEFINITELY THANK YOU.
FOR 9A? YES NOTED AS A SIGN VARIANCE FOR BLOOMFIELD HOMES.
ALL GOOD, KEN? OK, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC FORUM.
[5. Public Forum]
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ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS THERE.WE DO HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD FOR PUBLIC FORUM AND I'LL READ THIS OFF AND THE GENTLEMAN WILL SPEAK.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM, NOT IN TONIGHT'S AGENDA, FEEL FREE.
SO WITH THAT, LET ME CALL OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENTER MR. RICH [INAUDIBLE].
IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
MY NAME IS RICH [INAUDIBLE] AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT OF THE TAD BOARD.
I SERVE CURRENTLY ON THE BOARD OF TAD, EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS.
THERE IS A NOMINATION PROCESS AND AN ELECTION AND TWO YEARS AGO, WITH THE SUPPORT OF SOUTHLAKE'S NOMINATION AND ALSO ALL OF YOUR VOTES, I DID WIN A SEAT AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE REPORT TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
AND THERE'S STILL SOME THINGS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
SO I WANT TO ASK FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT, SPECIFICALLY YOUR NOMINATION AND YOUR VOTES.
FIRST THING, IT'S A SMALL THING IN A WAY, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE START MEETINGS AT TAD BEFORE THERE WAS NO PRAYER PLEDGE, WE JUST SAT DOWN AND STARTED DISCUSSING BUSINESS.
I THINK THE PLEDGES ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS A PROCESS THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN AND THAT WE ARE SUBORDINATE TO FOR THE SAME AND REALLY FOR A MORE IMPORTANT REASON.
I THINK A PRAYER IS IMPORTANT.
AND SO THAT IS NOW NORMAL PROCESS FOR US.
ALSO, WHEN YOU ALL VOTE FOR CONTRACTS, I THINK THERE'S A LIMIT IN SOUTHLAKE OF ABOUT $50000.
IF IT'S MORE THAN THAT, THE STAFF DOES NOT HAVE THE DISCRETION TO JUST SPEND MORE THAN THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL.
TAD HAD A FEW VERY SIGNIFICANT INTO THE MILLIONS OF ITEMS THAT THEY PRETTY MUCH HAD COMPLETE DISCRETION OVER.
SO WITHIN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE OUR POLICIES SO THAT ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY $50000 A YEAR AND OVER IS NOW APPROVED BY THE BOARD, AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WHEN I FIRST STARTED, I PUT A CHART IN FRONT OF THE BOARD THAT I GATHERED DATA FROM THE FIVE MAJOR URBAN COUNTIES IN TEXAS, AND I WAS NOTING THAT THE NUMBER OF TAXPAYERS THAT WERE PROTESTING THEIR TAXES HAD ALL GONE UP IN ALL FIVE COUNTIES.
BUT THERE WAS A BIG DIFFERENCE WITH TARRANT COUNTY.
HARRIS COUNTY WENT UP OVER A PERIOD OF FOUR YEARS.
THIRTY SEVEN PERCENT, BEXAR COUNTY WENT UP TWENTY SIX PERCENT AND DALLAS WENT UP FORTY NINE POINT SEVEN PERCENT, JUST UNDER 50.
IN THAT SAME TIME, TARRANT COUNTY WENT UP TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE PERCENT.
SO I PLACED THAT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD.
I WAS INVITED TO AUSTIN BY SENATOR NELSON'S FINANCE COMMITTEE, AND I TESTIFIED TO THEM ABOUT THAT.
THAT RESULTED IN A LETTER ASKING TAD TO LOOK INTO WHY IS THAT? AND OFFICIALLY, THE BOARD HAS NOT RESPONDED TO THAT LETTER YET.
I STILL WOULD LIKE TO LOOK UNDER THE HOOD A LITTLE BIT AND SEE WHAT'S CAUSING THAT.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHY I'M RUNNING IN WHEN I RAN THE FIRST TIME AND IT WAS IT WAS HONESTLY, I'M IN FRONT OF A LOT OF CITY COUNCILS AND SOME SCHOOL BOARDS AND YOU ALL AS A GROUP.
IF I HEARD IT, ONCE I HEARD IT A HUNDRED TIMES, THE TAD IS OUT OF CONTROL AND IT WAS MAINLY BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FEEL LIKE AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS DIDN'T FEEL LIKE HOMEOWNER A WAS BEING TREATED FAIRLY WITH HOMEOWNER B.
THAT WAS MY INITIAL REASON FOR GETTING IN.
YES, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
I ASKED FOR YOUR VOTES AND I ALSO ASK FOR YOUR NOMINATION.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL ON ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? YES, SIR.
COME ON DOWN IF YOU COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, THE DRILL.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS HENRY HUBBELL AND I LIVE AT 2208 PATTERSON WAY.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS.
AND TO OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND TO YOURSELF, MAYOR AND ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR COORDINATING AND PARTICIPATING IN THE 20 YEAR REMEMBRANCE OF 9/11, I THOUGHT THE ENTIRE CEREMONY WAS HEARTWARMING AND EXTREMELY WELL DONE.
AND MR. MAYOR, I THOUGHT YOUR REMARKS WERE ON POINT AND HELPED TO BRING US ALL
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TOGETHER.AND I'M THANKFUL I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY FOR MOMENTS LIKE THIS ARE GIVEN THE TRIBUTE THAT THEY DESERVE.
WE APPRECIATE YOU PARTICIPATING VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO COME? OK.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUMS. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX A, WHICH IS ORDINANCE NUMBER
[6.A. Ordinance No. 1244, 2nd Reading, Tax Levy Ordinance. PUBLIC HEARING (Part 1 of 2)]
TWELVE FORTY FOUR SECOND READING TAX LEVY ORDINANCE.AND I WILL RECOGNIZE CITY MANAGER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ALISON ORTOWSKI.
MAYOR, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
ITEMS 6A AND 6B CONSTITUTE THE FINAL PASSAGE OF THE FY 22 BUDGET.
CFO JACKSON IS PREPARED TO MAKE A PRESENTATION SUMMARIZING WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET AND ALSO SHE'S GOING TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED AT THE LAST MEETING.
AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER STATED, THIS IS THE FINAL ACTION THAT'S REQUESTED TO OFFICIALLY ADOPT THE PROPOSED TAX RATE, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED 2022 BUDGET.
AS INDICATED ON THE SLIDE, WE ARE PROPOSING A TAX RATE REDUCTION OF ONE POINT FIVE CENTS, WHICH WILL REDUCE THE TAX RATE TO ZERO POINT THIRTY NINE, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, WHICH IT WAS PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE, WHICH IS A REVENUE REDUCTION OF JUST OVER 1.2 MILLION TO THE CITY AND BASED ON THE AVERAGE VALUE HOME IN SOUTHLAKE NINETY SIX DOLLARS SAVINGS OR REDUCTION IN THEIR RESIDENTS TAX BILL.
ON THIS SLIDE, WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE 20 PERCENT HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST ALLOWED BASED ON STATE STATUTE AND BASED ON THE AVERAGE VALUED HOME, IT WILL REDUCE THE TAXABLE VALUE BY JUST UNDER ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND.
AND ONCE YOU EQUATE THAT TO A TAX RATE EQUIVALENT, THAT'S JUST UNDER AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT PERCENT TAX RATE REDUCTION, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE TAX RATE REDUCTION EQUIVALENT TO A POINT THREE ONE TWO TAX RATE FOR THEIR HOMEOWNER AND REDUCES THE CITY'S TAX REVENUE JUST UNDER FIVE MILLION.
THIS IS A GREAT SLIDE TO SHOW THAT AS THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY DILIGENT AND OUR TAX RELIEF OVER THE YEARS THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE AS THE ASSESSED VALUE AVERAGE HOME HAS INCREASED OVER THE YEARS TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT FIFTY FIVE PERCENT, THE AVERAGE TAX BILL FOR THE CITY'S PORTION HAS INCREASED ON AVERAGE, A TOTAL ON TOTAL EIGHT PERCENT, WHICH IS ON AVERAGE LESS THAN TWO PERCENT, WHICH IS A GREAT DEPICTION OF THE TAX RELIEF THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO OFFER OVER THE OVER A DECADE.
NOW, MOVING ON TO THE EXPENSE SIDE AT THE LAST MEETING DURING THE FIRST READING, STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO AMEND THE PUBLIC SAFETY'S PAY PLAN AND INCREASE IT FROM THE 60TH TO THE 80TH PERCENTILE, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WAS PRESENTED IN YOUR PACKET FOR THIS MEETING.
AND THAT IS AT A COST OF JUST UNDER $250,000.
AND THE IMPACT WOULD BE FOR THE GENERAL FUND A THREE PERCENT OVERALL INCREASE COMPARED TO THE PRIOR YEAR EXPENSES FOR THE GENERAL FUND.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE THE OVERALL OPERATING PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR FISCAL YEAR 22 TO THE TUNE OF ONE HUNDRED AND FOUR POINT NINE MILLION JUST UNDER ONE HUNDRED AND FIVE MILLION, WHICH REPRESENTS A 0.2 PERCENT REDUCTION WHEN COMPARED TO THE 2021 ADOPTED BUDGET.
SO A SLIGHT REDUCTION OVERALL FOR ALL OPERATING FUNDS WITHIN THE CITY.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S MULTIPLE FUNDS THAT CONSIST OF THE OPERATIONS FOR THE CITY OVERALL.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE BREAKDOWN OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF THIRTY TWO POINT SEVEN MILLION.
AND AS INDICATED ON THE SLIDE, THERE IS VARIOUS FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT FROM THE GENERAL FUND UTILITY FUND AND A LOT OF OUR SALES TAX SALES TAX VOTER APPROVED DISTRICTS.
AND ALSO IT'S INDICATED THE LARGEST PORTION OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN CONSISTS OF FACILITIES.
AND THE GOOD NEWS IS JUST OVER 70 PERCENT OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET WILL BE FUNDED WITH CASH AND THE REMAINING AMOUNT WILL BE FUNDED WITH SHORT TERM BONDS.
AS WITH OUR PREVIOUS BUDGETS, THIS BUDGET HITS ON ALL OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT HAVE SERVED US WELL IN MANAGING THE CITY FINANCES AND HAS BEEN A PRIMARY REASON OF WHY WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF ENJOYING A TRIPLE-A BOND RATING.
THIS BUDGET PROVIDES HOMEOWNER TAX RELIEF, AS I INDICATED BEFORE FUNDING OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS JUST UNDER 70 PERCENT, AS WELL AS MANAGING THE OVERALL EXPENDITURE GROWTH BY MONITORING THE CPI AND KEEPING OUR EXPENDITURE GROWTH WITHIN THE CPI FOR THE DFW AREA.
A STRUCTURAL BALANCE AND ALSO THE GENERAL FUND IS DELIVERED AT THE OPTIMUM LEVEL OF THE FUND BALANCED POLICY THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED MANY YEARS AGO OF AT TWENTY FIVE PERCENT
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AND WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING.IT ALSO PUTS THE CITY TO BE AN EMPLOYER OF CHOICE AND IS A MULTI-YEAR SUSTAINABILITY BECAUSE AS WE ALL CAN AGREE, THE DECISIONS WE MAKE TODAY WILL IMPACT US IN THE FUTURE YEARS AND PART OF THIS BUDGET.
THAT'S PART OF OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLE, AND THIS BUDGET FOR 2022 MEETS ALL OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR CFO JACKSON? THANK YOU FOR DELIVERING ON THOSE FEW CHANGES THAT WE REQUESTED, AND THANK YOU FOR ONCE AGAIN DELIVERING ON A WONDERFUL BUDGET.
THANK YOU TO SHANA AND ALISON AND EVERYONE.
THIS IS A GREAT, A GREAT DAY FOR SOUTHLAKE TO CONTINUE TO DELIVER TAX RELIEF TO OUR RESIDENTS AND TO OUR BUSINESSES, AND TO CONTINUE TO DELIVER FINANCIAL EXCELLENCE YEAR AFTER YEAR.
SO THIS IS ITEM 6A AND 6B, BY THE WAY THAT WE'RE CALLING TOGETHER.
SO 6A AND 6B ARE BOTH PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO LET ME CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR 6A FIRST, WHICH IS THE TAX LEVY ORDINANCE.
THERE'S ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS.
OK, SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR 6A NOW.
ITEM SIX B IS ORDINANCE NUMBER TWELVE FORTY FIVE SECOND READING, APPROVING
[6.B. Ordinance No. 1245, 2nd Reading, Approving and adopting the Annual Budget for Fiscal Year 2022 and approving the revised budget figures for Fiscal Year 2021 and Multi-year capital improvement. PUBLIC HEARING (Part 1 of 2)]
AND ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022 AND APPROVING THE REVISED BUDGET FIGURES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 AND MULTI-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.SO LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR SIX B IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THAT? OK? .
[6.A. Ordinance No. 1244, 2nd Reading, Tax Levy Ordinance. PUBLIC HEARING (Part 2 of 2)]
COUNCIL IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE BUDGET.MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX A.
OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS THE ORDINANCE NUMBER ONE TWO FOUR FOUR, WHICH IS A SECOND READING FOR THE TAX LEVY ORDINANCE.
MOTION IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
AND ITEM SIX A PASSES SEVEN TO ZERO.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 6B?
[6.B. Ordinance No. 1245, 2nd Reading, Approving and adopting the Annual Budget for Fiscal Year 2022 and approving the revised budget figures for Fiscal Year 2021 and Multi-year capital improvement. PUBLIC HEARING (Part 2 of 2)]
YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 6B, WHICH IS OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER ONE TWO FOUR FIVE, WHICH IS SECOND READING, APPROVING AND ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022.AND APPROVING THE REVISED BUDGET FIGURES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 AND MULTI-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.
AND ITEM SIX B PASSED SEVEN TO ZERO.
THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THE BUDGET.
WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX C ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-75
[6.C. Ordinance No. 480-785, (ZA21-0053), 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Development Plan for Ferguson Place on property described as 1B4E and 1B4H, Leonard Lincoln Survey, Abstract No. 981, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, located at 2589 and 2593 Lonesome Dove Rd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "AG" Agricultural District. Proposed Zoning: "R-PUD" Residential Planned Unit Development District. SPIN Neighborhood #2. PUBLIC HEARING]
ZA21-0053 SECOND READING, ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR FERGUSON PLACE AND DIRECTOR BAKER.MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE HAVE BEEN NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES OR NO CHANGE CHANGES AT ALL FROM FIRST READING CORRECT? YES, SIR.
SO THEN IF COUNCIL IS OK WITH IT, WE'LL JUST FOREGO A HEARING UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO TELL US.
JUST THERE IS ONE VARIANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ON THE OPEN SPACE.
BUT AS DISCUSSED AT FIRST READING, THE LARGER PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS QUITE QUITE A BIT OF OPEN SPACE IN THE GRAPEVINE.
IF THERE'S ANY PRESENTATION OR ANY REMARKS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO MAKE THEM MR. [INAUDIBLE].
GOOD EVENING MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, COS [INAUDIBLE].
I DO HAVE THE PRESENTATION HERE, IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN.
OTHERWISE, I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THE RED PORTION OF THIS PLAN, AND I WOULD STAND BY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. [INAUDIBLE]? NO APPEARS TO BE GOING WELL, SIR.
THIS IS ITEM 6C IS A PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 6C.
SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, CALL FOR A MOTION.
OK, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX C.
OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-758 OR ZA21-0053, WHICH IS A SECOND READING AND ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR FERGUSON PLACE.
THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 14, 2021.
THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED AUGUST 9, 2021 VARIANCE REQUESTED TO VARIANCE TO ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 480 SECTION THIRTY POINT ONE ONE, WHICH IS THE COMMON OPEN SPACE FROM A MINIMUM OF 10 PERCENT TO ZERO PERCENT OPEN SPACE.
ALSO NOTING LOT ONE WILL ONLY HAVE DRIVE ACCESS OFF OF FERGUSON ROAD AND NOT HAVE ACCESS OFF OF LONESOME DOVE FINDING THE TWO TRACKS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST, AND THIS ZONING ACTION WILL CREATE TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
AND ITEM 6C PASSES SEVEN TO ZERO.
CONGRATULATIONS, LOOK FORWARD TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX D AND SIX E.
[Items 6D & 6E]
WE'LL CALL THOSE BOTH TOGETHER.6D IS ZA21-0068 SITE PLAN FOR MARKET BY MACY'S PATIO AND SIX E IS THE ENCROACHMENT AND JOINT USE AGREEMENT FOR MARKET BY MACY'S OUTDOOR PATIO WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY ON
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STATE STREET.DIRECTOR BAKER? MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF SITE PLAN TO ADD AN OUTDOOR PATIO ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING MARKET BY MACY'S THAT WILL REQUIRE THE REMOVAL THREE ON STREET PARKING SPACES AND RECONFIGURING THE SIDEWALK IN THAT AREA.
THE LOCATION IS 301 STATE STREET AS LISTED ON THE SLIDE.
THE COUNCIL KNOWS THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED PATIO AREA WOULD REMOVE THESE TREES IN THE AREA.
THE THREE PARKING SPACES WOULD ESSENTIALLY THE SIDEWALK BE EXTENDED OUT TO ALLOW INGRESS AND EGRESS IN FRONT OF THE PROPOSED PATIO AREA.
JUST A CLOSER VIEW, THERE WILL BE A DOOR SERVICE DOOR ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WILL ALLOW DIRECT DIRECT ACCESS TO THE PATIO AREA.
THIS IS A RENDERING PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT SHOWING THE PROPOSAL.
THE PROPOSAL DOES INCLUDE A FENCED AREA.
THE ALSO WILL BE A NEW GLASS STOREFRONT TO ALLOW THE ACCESS.
AS MENTIONED, THERE'LL BE WOOD BAFFLES MATCHING THE STORE'S NEW INTERIOR ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE PATIO.
THE SIDEWALK WILL BE EXTENDED IN THOSE PARKING SPACES AND WILL BE A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET, 10 INCHES OF INGRESS EGRESS THROUGH THE AREA.
THERE'LL BE UMBRELLAS, OTHER FURNITURE ASSOCIATED WITH A PATIO FOR THE PATRONS.
THIS IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE REMODEL OF THE STORE AREA.
THESE ARE JUST SOME SITE PHOTOS FOR COUNCIL.
THIS IS A DETAILED SITE PLAN SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE SIDEWALK RECONFIGURATION, AND THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS THE PARKING SPACES PRIMARILY TO BE REMOVED, SHOWN AS D AT THE TOP AND THE RECONFIGURE RECONFIGURATION OF SIDEWALK.
THE STAFF DID DO AN ANALYSIS OF THE SIDEWALK AND INGRESS EGRESS.
WE DO HAVE SIMILAR SITUATIONS THROUGHOUT TOWN SQUARE AND WHERE WE PROVIDED SOME SOME DISTANCE AND MEASUREMENTS FOR SIDEWALKS THAT MEANDER AROUND THE PERIMETER OF OUR OUTDOOR PATIO AREAS.
AND THESE ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES.
THROUGHOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, THERE'S A SNIFFERS, BUT THIS IS MUCHACHO'S.
AND THIS IS MOXIE'S IT DOES VERY AS YOU GET TOWARD THE CORNER, DOES WIDEN OUT THE SIDEWALK.
THIS IS BEHIND THE WALL AREA, WHICH WILL REMAIN AS IS.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES ON THE SITE PLAN.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DIRECTOR BAKER, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR BAKER AT THIS TIME? OK, I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN.
IF Y'ALL DON'T MIND, JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE UP TO.
311 ELM STREET, CINCINNATI, OHIO.
HI, MY NAME IS ASHLEY CAPEHART.
I'M THE MARKET BY MACY'S DIRECTOR FOR THE SOUTHLAKE LOCATION.
137 SHREVEPORT TRAIL, PLANO, TEXAS.
SO DIRECTOR BAKER GAVE A PRESENTATION.
YOU GUYS HAVE A? DIRECTOR BAKER DID AN AWESOME JOB AND GAVE A GOOD PRESENTATION OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO HERE TO RE-ENERGIZE THAT SPACE.
YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE I KNOW AT PLANNING AND ZONING.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LOCATION AND WHY WE WANTED TO HAVE THE CAFé EXTEND ONTO A PATIO AREA.
OBVIOUSLY, THE CUSTOMERS HAVE REQUESTED INDOOR AND OUTDOOR SEATING PRE-COVID AND POST-COVID.
PRIOR TO THE COVID SHUTDOWN, THE RESTAURANT ITSELF, THE SALES OF THE KITCHEN, INCLUDING COFFEE, FOOD AND ADULT BEVERAGES, THRIVED.
SO WE WANT TO EXTEND THAT AS PART OF THE REMODEL THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE MACY'S MARKET BY MACY'S AT SOUTHLAKE.
SO OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING ON THE INSIDE? SO AS PART OF THE REMODEL, WE JUST WE'RE TRYING TO REALIGN WITH WITH THE CUSTOMER ITSELF, THE TARGET CUSTOMER.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE PULLED THE SOUTHLAKE CUSTOMER AND WHAT SHE REALLY WANTS.
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A LOT OF THE BRANDS THAT WE OFFER FOR MACY'S WEREN'T OFFERED AT THIS LOCATION.SO WE'RE REALIGNING WITH THAT TARGET CUSTOMER ENHANCING BEAUTY, FRAGRANCES, JEWELRY.
THE CAFé ITSELF WAS KIND OF SET UP AWKWARD WITH A THE FIRST LOCATION YOU HAVE TO YOU HAD TO WALK THROUGH THE CAFé TO GET TO THE HOME DEPARTMENT AND THEN BACK OUT OF THE CAFé TO ACTUALLY MAKE YOUR SALE.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS AS PART OF THAT REMODEL, WE'RE MAINTAINING A GOOD PORTION OF THE KITCHEN AND JUST KIND OF SHIFTING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN HAVE A CAFé AT THE END OF THE BUILDING AND THEN ACCESS THAT AREA THAT WE WANT TO ENERGIZE THAT PATIO SPACE FOR.
AND THEN THERE'S OTHER ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS ELECTRONICS AND MEDIA AND ALSO THE FITTING ROOMS ENHANCING THE FITTING ROOMS FOR FOR THAT TARGET CUSTOMER.
SURE, I'M SURE A LOT OF SOUTHLAKE WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATED OPEN DATA IS.
SO TENTATIVE SOFT OPEN IS 10/25 WITH OPENING 10/29.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, GUYS? YEAH.
LOOKING AT THIS, I MEAN, I'M EXCITED ABOUT HAVING THIS OPPORTUNITY RIGHT THERE.
I THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT SPOT FOR OUTDOOR DINING.
MY ONE CONCERN IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THOSE OTHER OUTDOOR SPOTS, THEY ALL SEEM TO BE COVERED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE IN CINCINNATI, BUT FROM APRIL TO OCTOBER, IT'S GOING TO BE BRUTAL OUT THERE, JUST GETTING SUN BEAT ON YOU.
SO I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME UMBRELLAS THERE.
ANY THOUGHT TO COVER THAT AT ALL TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE ENJOYABLE OUTDOORS.
OH SORRY I WAS TRYING TO FLIP.
AND AT THIS, THE IMAGE HERE ITSELF IS NOT VERY AS FAR AS THE TREE ITSELF.
THAT TREE, THAT LARGE TREE DOES PROVIDE A LOT OF SHADE IN THAT AREA.
WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT INVESTIGATING ANYMORE THIS THIS RENDERING ITSELF DOESN'T REALLY REPRESENT THE THE WAY THE SUN HITS, I THINK, AND THE COVERAGE OF THAT TREE ITSELF.
AT ONE POINT, WE DEBATED WHETHER WE REALLY EVEN NEEDED ALL THOSE UMBRELLAS.
BUT I MEAN, IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS MORE COVERAGE, WE COULD LOOK AT AS AN OPTION TO ADD MORE UMBRELLAS OR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SHADING THERE.
I JUST WANT IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND BUSY OVER THERE.
SO LIKE I CAN ATTEST THAT TREE IS QUITE LARGE.
SO SOME OF THE I THINK AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE SEASONS ITSELF.
BUT IF YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS TOP VIEW UP HERE, I BELIEVE WE WERE WE VISITED THE SITE AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES, SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN THIS IS, BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THIS IMAGE.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS WINTER BECAUSE THIS WAS WHEN WE DID OUR WE DID A [INAUDIBLE] OF THIS AREA.
SO THAT, I THINK, WAS IN FEBRUARY, BUT THESE WERE LATER IN THE YEAR AS WELL AS THIS ONE, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE TREE FULL THERE.
THIS TREE DOES PROVIDE QUITE A BIT OF SHADE.
TEXAS DOES GET A LOT HOTTER THAN OHIO DOES, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON BEING OPEN IN THE EVENING OR? IT WOULD ONLY BE RIGHT NOW.
THE PLAN FOR THE MACY'S FOOD GROUP IS ONLY TO BE OPEN DURING STORE HOURS.
SO RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THAT'S 11 TO SEVEN.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S NORMALLY 11 TO SEVEN AND THEN ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS IS 11 TO 8.
OK, AND THEN HOW ABOUT SPEAKERS OUTSIDE? ARE YOU DOING ANY SOFT MUSIC? RIGHT NOW THERE WASN'T ANY MUSIC PLANNED OR AUDIO PLANNED, THERE IS AUDIO BEING PLANNED IN THE INTERIOR OF THE SPACE, BUT NOT AS FAR AS THE FOODS GROUP HAS ESTABLISHED.
THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THERE.
OK, AND HOW ABOUT ANY ENTERTAINMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE SPACE? WELL, I THINK I MEAN, THERE ARE GOING TO BE EVENTS THAT THEY WANT TO CONTINUE.
I THINK THEY HAD EVENTS BEFORE, YEAH, BEFORE WE BEFORE THEY SHUT DOWN.
AND SO KIND OF BRINGING THAT CUSTOMER IN AND HAVING THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO BRING IN THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY EVENTS NOT ONLY IN THE STORE BUT OUTSIDE THE STORE.
WELL, AND I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, ASHLEY, WERE YOU HERE BEFORE? I HAVE BEEN IN THE TEXAS MARKET FOR THREE YEARS, BUT THIS IS MY FIRST ROLE IN THE SOUTHLAKE COMMUNITY.
OK, BECAUSE I KNOW BEFORE WE WERE VERY EXCITED, WE DID AN EVENT TOGETHER OR SUPPORT EACH OTHER WOMEN'S CLUB, ART IN THE SQUARE AND Y'ALL.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHARE SPECIFICS AND YOU JUST KIND OF THOUGHTS AROUND ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO I'M ALSO OVER OUR WEST BEND LOCATION AND WHAT WE TRADITIONALLY WHAT WEST BEND LOOKS LIKE NOW WILL BE WHAT OUR SOUTHLAKE CUSTOMER IS, AND WE'RE TRULY DRIVEN BY OUR TCU COMMUNITY IN FORT WORTH.
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SO WE'VE BEEN PLANNING EVENTS AROUND THE TCU.SO WITH OUR FOOTBALL GAME THIS WEEKEND, AND WE'RE HOPING TO BRING THAT SAME EXCITEMENT WITH, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IN THE WOMEN'S CLUB AND DOING BOOK READINGS.
AND THAT'S STILL PART OF HOW DO WE ENGAGE WITH OUR COMMUNITY SINCE WE ARE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT MACY'S AND ITS HOW DO WE CLIENTELE TO WHO OUR CUSTOMER IS? SO WE HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER WITH OUR BETTER BRANDS.
SO I'M PERSONALLY EXCITED ABOUT MORE OUTDOOR DINING AND TO ECHO WHAT SOME OF MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID IT.
I DO SEE THE SHADE, BUT WE WE LOVE REALLY AWESOME PATIOS.
WE LIKE FANS, WE LIKE UMBRELLAS.
WE LIKE TO BE COMFORTABLE WHEN IT'S 100 DEGREES AND WE WANT TO GO ENJOY A SNACK WITH A FRIEND.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOUR GROUP TO TO EXPLORE MUSIC, TO EXPLORE EVEN MAYBE HEATERS IN THE WINTER, THAT KIND OF THING SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST USING IT IN THE MONTH OF APRIL, IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.
YEAH, I THINK THAT IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GET MY BEARINGS EXACTLY ON ANGLES OF THE BUILDING AND SO FORTH.
I KNOW GENERALLY IT'S WEST FACING WHERE THIS WILL BE.
YOU KNOW, THE SUN IS GOING TO BE SETTING INTO THAT PATIO.
AND EVEN IF IT'S NOT DIRECTLY SETTING THAT WAY AT SOME POINT AROUND THAT TIME, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE BAKING.
AND AND YOU KNOW, OUR EXPERIENCE IS THAT THEY GET SO HOT DURING THE DAY THAT EVEN IN THE EVENING, IF YOU HAVE SHADE THE SPACE ITSELF, THE TABLES, THE CHAIRS ARE SO HOT, I REALLY CAN'T.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN OVEREMPHASIZE THE NEED.
YEAH, WE CAN TO TAKE THAT BACK TO THE YEAH, I'M HERE TO REPRESENT MACY'S PLANNING, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE CAN TAKE THAT BACK TO THAT GROUP AND ADD, YOU KNOW, ADD THOSE THINGS INTO THE FAN.
THE THE ADDITIONAL SHADE, THE MUSIC, OBVIOUSLY, LIKE I SAID, WE DO HAVE A VENDOR THAT IS DOING THE MUSIC THROUGHOUT THE INTERIOR OF THE SPACE, AND WE WEREN'T SURE IF THAT WOULD BE A POSITIVE OR A NEGATIVE.
WELL, LET'S SEE, SINCE THIS IS A SITE PLAN, RIGHT? SITE PLAN, SO IT'S ONLY ONE TIME THROUGH.
I MEAN, ARE WE ARE WE ARE WE ARE WE BETTER OFF APPROVING SOMETHING AND GIVING STAFF GREAT ADMINISTRATIVE LATITUDE TO HELP THEM WITH IT AND MAKE SOME BIG CHANGES OR APPROVING, BUT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK? OR IS IT BETTER THAT WE JUST TABLE THIS THING AND LET THEM TAKE ANOTHER? I GUESS THERE'S TWO OPTIONS.
YOU COULD HAVE THEM COME BACK TO THE SITE PLAN PHASE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, TAKE TWO AND A HALF THREE MONTHS.
OR, AS COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON SUGGESTS, THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE STAFF, ALLOW STAFF TO APPROVE A SHADE STRUCTURE AND MAYBE A CAVEAT COMPATIBLE WITH OTHER STRUCTURES IN TOWN SQUARE.
GIVE US SOME BENCHMARK TO EVALUATE IT AGAINST, AND THAT WAY WE COULD APPROVE IT ADMINISTRATIVELY WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS.
I MEAN, OUR STAFF IS REALLY GOOD.
I YOU GUYS HAVE TO RUN YOUR BUSINESS, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT OUR JOB, BUT I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK HARD OF THIS.
I THINK I MEAN, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO PUSH THIS THROUGH.
WE WANT TO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ENERGIZE THAT CORNER AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO OPEN THE PATIO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AFTER THE STORE OPENS.
SO YEAH, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, YOU GUYS SHADE IT IF YOU WANT TO SHADE IT.
WE'RE WE'RE SITTING HERE TELLING YOU IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS GOT TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
HOPEFULLY, YOU BRING A GOOD SHANE STRUCTURE BACK AND STAFF CAN IMPROVE IT ADMINISTRATIVELY.
COUNCIL MEMBER [INAUDIBLE] HAD SOME GREAT IDEAS WITH FANS AND THAT TYPE OF THING TOO.
EVEN EVEN ONCE THE SUN IS DOWN, IT'S JUST, YEAH, MISTING FANS ANYTHING.
YEAH, SOME OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PATIOS.
AND IT'S ONE THING THAT JUST KIND OF DRIVES ME CRAZY HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE PATIOS, BUT PEOPLE, JUST ALL THEY DO IS PUT OUT TABLES AND CHAIRS AND UMBRELLAS AND EXPECT THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SIT IN PATIOS.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS IN SURROUNDING CITIES THAT HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF REALLY COOL HEATING STRUCTURES AND WATER WATERING FEATURES, THAT KIND OF THING AND JUST MISTING FANS.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
I MEAN, WE REALLY, TRULY ONLY HAVE A COUPLE WEEKS OF SPRING AND A COUPLE OF WEEKS OF FALL.
AND OTHER THAN THAT, WE ARE IN THE AIR CONDITIONING OR WE ARE AT HOME IN FRONT OF THE FIREPLACE.
SO OUR TEXAS WEATHER IS JUST SO VOLATILE.
I WANT PATIOS TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AND I THINK THEY WILL ENERGIZE THE SPACE AND CERTAINLY BRING A GREAT DYNAMIC TO TOWN SQUARE.
AND SO I DO I DO AGREE WITH WITH MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBER.
THERE'S A COUPLE YOU CAN LOOK AT A RESTAURANT CALLED TRUE FIRE.
TRUE FIRE HAS A REALLY GOOD PATIO SYSTEM.
AND I ACTUALLY WAS WALKING THIS, WALKING THE SPACE AGAIN.
I'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE SURVEYED AND THEN BACK IN HERE AND THE CHAMBERS, BUT I DID WALK PAST THERE AND THERE IS ANOTHER PATIO ACROSS THE WAY THAT ISN'T AS SUCCESSFUL AND TO YOUR POINT, DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF COVERAGE AND AS GETTING I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THEM, IT'S THEIR PROXIMITY, THEIR ORIENTATION AS WELL.
BUT BUT YEAH, TRUE FIRE DOES HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A NICE PATIO SET UP.
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SO YEAH, SO JUST LOOK AT SOME OF THAT STUFF.AGAIN, GOOD COMMENTS, ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT.
OK, WELL, Y'ALL, Y'ALL CAN HAVE A SEAT AND STICK AROUND.
WE MIGHT HAVE MORE QUESTIONS IN A SECOND.
SO ITEM 6D AND 6E ARE BOTH PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH OF THEM.
IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS, NOW'S THE CHANCE.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND COUNCIL.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? I MEAN, DO WE LIKE THE IDEA OF GIVING STAFF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AUTHORITY OVER A PATIO STRUCTURE IF NEED BE? COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON, YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YEAH, SOUNDS GREAT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE SMART TO HAVE IN THE MOTION NOTE THAT THE APPLICANTS AGREEMENT TO TO ENHANCE THE SHADE AND CLIMATE CLIMATE CONTROL AND WORK WITH STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
BUT I WOULD NOTE THAT IN THE MOTION.
YOU GOT THAT CHAD? YEAH, KEN, IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH? OK.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I MEAN, I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT.
WELL, LET'S CALL FOR A MOTION.
ALL RIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 6D OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ZA21-0068, WHICH IS A SITE PLAN FOR MARKET BY MACY'S IN THE PATIO.
SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 14, 2021, THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED SEPTEMBER 3, 2021, NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT, IF THEY DESIRE TO HAVE COVERING OR CANOPY OF SOME SORT, CAN BE MANAGED WITH STAFF ADMINISTERING THAT APPROVAL.
THAT WORK [INAUDIBLE]? ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION.
OK, GREAT ITEMS, SIX D PASSES SEVEN ZERO, AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM SIX E? YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX E OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS THE ENCROACHMENT AND JOINT USE AGREEMENT FOR MARKET BY MACY'S OUTDOOR PATIO WITHIN THE CITY, RIGHT OF WAY OF STATE STREET AND WITHIN MULTIPLE UTILITY EASEMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
LOCATED AT 301 STATE STREET, THIS IS SUBJECT TO SEPTEMBER 20, 21 STAFF REPORT NOTING THIS AGREEMENT WILL ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO PLACE AN OUTDOOR PATIO AREA WITHIN THE EXISTING PARALLEL PARKING SPACES.
SIDEWALK AND PLAN ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND UTILITY EASEMENTS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN WOULD ELIMINATE THREE PARKING SPACES AND THEN FURTHER NOTING THAT IF THE CURRENT TENANT VACATES THE BUILDING, THE PATIO.
WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS THIS COMPLETELY BUT WOULD BE REMOVED, INCLUDING THE FENCING AND RAILING.
AND I THINK IN P&Z'S MOTION WAS SHOULD IT BE REMOVED OR CAN IT JUST STAY WITH THE BUILDING? RIGHT.
SO I WOULD PROPOSE SCRATCHING THAT SUGGESTION AND JUST ALLOWING THE FENCING AND RAILING TO REMAIN IN PLACE.
AND ITEM SIX E PASSES SEVEN TO ZERO, CONGRATULATIONS.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SITTING ON THAT COMFORTABLE AND COVERED PATIO.
WITH THAT, WE WILL CALL ITEM NUMBER SIX F ZA19-0068 SITE PLAN FOR LOT SIX RIVER OAKS
[6.F. ZA19-0068, Site Plan for Lot 6, River Oaks office building on property described Lot 6, Block 1, River Oaks Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 116 River Oaks Drive, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #11. PUBLIC HEARING]
OFFICE BUILDING ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS A LOT SIX.THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR LOT SIX RIVER OAKS DRIVE 116 RIVER OAKS DRIVE FOR A FIVE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING.
THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS AREA, RIVER OAKS, IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AT THE TIME OF THE REZONING.
THIS AREA HAD A WHAT WAS CALLED A TRANSITION ONE LAND USE OVERLAY, WHICH HAD A SITE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS STATING THAT OFFICE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
IN 2006, THE OFFICE CONCEPT PLAN CAME FORWARD.
IT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND SO THE ZONING IS IN PLACE ON THIS.
THIS PROPERTY THAT THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE HAS AN SP2 ZONING.
THE USE PROPOSED IS COMPATIBLE BOTH WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE ZONING.
THIS IS A LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, A VIEW LOOKING BACK TO THE WEST.
THIS IS THE APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN.
THERE WERE TWO ARCHITECTURAL STYLES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
THE ON THE LEFT IS THE MORE COLONIAL TRADITIONAL STYLE, AND ON THE RIGHT IS A MORE MODERN STYLE WITH MASONRY AND EARTH TONE COLORS.
THIS IS A PHOTO JUST COMPARING THE TWO STYLES OF ARCHITECTURE THAT'S BEEN APPROVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
THIS SLIDE COMPARES THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN WITH THE APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN, AND
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IT'S COMPATIBLE.IT'S JUST FIVE SQUARE FEET OVER THE BUILDING AREA SHOWN ON THE THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND STAFF CONSIDER IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN.
THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN MEETS ALL CITY REQUIREMENTS, AND THIS IS THE ELEVATION WHICH WILL PICK UP MORE OF THE MODERN APPROVAL STYLE WITH THE BRICK AND MASONRY.
THE DRAINAGE MAPS GRADING PLAN ARE IN PACKET UTILITY PLAN, WHICH WE CAN DISCUSS IF NEEDED, JUST PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE AREA AND A COUPLE MORE PHOTOS.
WE DID RECEIVE ONE RESPONSE IN FAVOR AND ONE RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION AND THOSE RESPONSES ARE IN YOUR PACKET.
P&Z DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL SEVEN ZERO, THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? DIRECTOR BAKER, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS A SITE PLAN, CLEAN SITE PLAN, NO VARIANCES.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE, MR. BLAKE? COME ON DOWN, SIR.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO DIRECTOR BAKER'S PRESENTATION.
SKIP BLAKE, BLAKE ARCHITECTS 1202 SOUTH WHITE CHAPEL HERE IN SOUTHLAKE AND AS DIRECTOR BAKER SAID, IT'S A CLEAN.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A CLEAN PROJECT.
IT FOLLOWS ALL THE GUIDELINES AND THE INTENT, SO I WON'T BORE YOU WITH GOING INTO A LONG, DRAWN OUT PRESENTATION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DON'T THINK SO.
OK, WELL, ITEM SIX F IS A PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 6F.
AND SIR, IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW THE GREEN LIGHT WILL TURN ON WHEN YOU START TALKING, YELLOW LIGHT COMES ON IN A MINUTE AND RED LIGHT STARTS FLASHING WHEN YOUR MIC'S GETTING CUT.
I'M A HOMEOWNER AT 109 SAN JACINTO COURT IN SOUTHLAKE, AND I OWN THE LOT DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH LOT EIGHT.
I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, BUT THE ONLY CAVEAT THAT I TOLD THE ARCHITECT MR. BLAKE WAS I'M IN FAVOR OF PROVIDED THAT THE DRAINAGE SWALE AND THE DRAINAGE ISSUES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS LOT ARE ADDRESSED.
BASICALLY, IF YOU WERE TO PULL UP, I GUESS THE GRADING PLAN, THE PROPOSED GRADING PLAN.
THERE IS A THERE IS A DRAINAGE SWALE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY FROM SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY AND DUMPS, RIGHT CURRENTLY A DECENT SIZE SWALE THAT DUMPS TO THE NORTH ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET FROM SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD ON TO LOT 8.
AND THE INTENTION OF THE AND I KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO SEE ANYTHING BUT THE THE INTENTION OF THE ORIGINAL DRAINAGE AREA MATH.
ISN'T IT NATIONAL IT PROFESSIONALS DAY, BUT ANYWAYS? THE DRAINAGE AREA MAP.
WRONG BUTTON KEN WRONG BUTTON.
THIS IS WHY WE APPRECIATE OUR IT PROFESSIONALS.
BUT THE ORIGINAL DRAINAGE AREA MAP THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2006 FOLLOWS THE LAY OF THE LAND, WHICH AS THIS THING IS DEVELOPED, AS LOTS TWO'S DEVELOPED AND IT'S LOT THREE'S DEVELOPED AND LOTS FIVE AND SIX IS TO PUSH ALL OF THAT WATER TO THE EAST.
AND THAT SWALE RIGHT NOW IS PUSHING ALL OF THE WATER OF THE NORTH TO MY LOT.
AND MY ONLY REQUEST IS THAT THAT WATER GETS DIRECTED ON THE CIVIL GRADING TO THE EAST, WHICH IS THE INTENTION BACK IN 2006.
BASED OFF THE DRAINAGE AREA MAPS.
AND THAT'S THAT'S ONLY MY ONLY REQUEST.
OTHERWISE, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PROJECT.
AND BEFORE I CALL DIRECTOR BAKER UP, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OK, LET ME CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, DIRECTOR BAKER, CAN YOU TALK TO THAT FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM A STAFF APPROVAL STANDPOINT? IF ENTITLEMENT IS RECEIVED, THEN THEY'LL SUBMIT BUILDING PLANS AND CIVIL PLANS.
AT THAT TIME, THE ENGINEERING STAFF WILL REVIEW IT AND WE CAN WE CAN NOTE THAT MAKE SURE THEY PUT IT ON THE RADAR SCREEN TO REVIEW, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANS FOLLOW
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THE APPROVED DRAINAGE PLAN FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.OK, AND THAT DRAINAGE PLAN, WE JUST LOOKED AT THAT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND ANY BUILDING WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW THAT JUST TO GET YOUR APPROVAL.
MR. BLAKE, ANY ISSUES THAT YOU ANTICIPATE WITH THAT? OK.
DO WE NEED TO NOTE THAT IN THE MOTION, SIR? YEAH.
DO WE NEED TO NOTE ANY OF THAT IN THE MOTION? YES, SIR.
YOU COULD NOTE IN THAT WAY, WE'LL HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] OF IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF AT THIS TIME OR ANY DISCUSSION COUNCIL? CLEAN SITE PLAN NEED TO WATCH OUT FOR THE DRAINAGE.
IS THERE A MOTION? YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX F OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ZA19-0068, WHICH IS A SITE PLAN FOR LOT SIX RIVER OAKS OFFICE BUILDING, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 14, 2021 AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER FOUR DATED SEPTEMBER 3, 2021, NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT FOLLOWS THE EXISTING DRAINAGE PLAN.
PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE AND THAT ITEM PASSES SEVEN ZERO.
WITH THAT, WE WILL CALL ITEM NUMBER SIX G, WHICH IS ZA19-0069 SITE PLAN
[6.G. ZA19-0069, Site Plan for Lot 9, River Oaks office building on property described Lot 9, Block 1, River Oaks Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 124 River Oaks Drive, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #11. PUBLIC HEARING]
FOR LOT NINE RIVER OAKS OFFICE BUILDING.THIS IS ALSO A REQUEST FOR A SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THIS IS FOR LOT NINE TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FIVE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AT ONE TWENTY FOUR RIVER OAKS DRIVE.
THE CONCEPT PLAN DID APPROVE OFFICE AT THIS LOCATION, JUST A COUPLE AERIALS SHOWING LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE SITE PLAN DOES ADHERE TO THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE THERE IS A 100 YEAR FLOOD AREA DRAINAGE AREA THAT'S ALMOST SPLITS THE LOT NOT IN HALF BUT THREE QUARTERS, WHICH LIMITS THE EXTENSION OF THE PARKING TO THE NORTH.
WE REVIEWED THE ARCHITECTURAL CONCEPT PLANS.
THE THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
THE CONCEPT PLAN CALLS FOR 16 SPACES.
THE DISCUSSION AT P&Z WAS TO ADD AS MANY SPACES AS POSSIBLE ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
THERE IS A PARKING ISLAND ALONG THE STREET AND THE APPLICANT HAS REMOVED THAT PARKING ISLAND TO ADD ONE ADDITIONAL SPACE.
AS WAS DISCUSSED AND RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THE OTHER DISCUSSION ITEM AT P&Z WAS THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING AND HOW MANY SPACES WOULD BE NEEDED.
THE APPLICANT AND LOOKING INTO IT WOULD BE IF IT WAS A GENERAL OFFICE IN ONE ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACE WOULD BE REQUIRED IF IT WAS MEDICAL THEN TWO WOULD BE REQUIRED PER STATE LAW.
THIS IS A COMPARISON WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
IT DOES MEET THE CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION, PER THE P&Z'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TRY TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF SPACES ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY THAT THE PARKING ISLAND HAS BEEN REMOVED AND ONE ADDITIONAL SPACE HAS BEEN ADDED.
THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS OF P&Z APPROVAL.
WE ADDRESSED THE ADDITIONAL PARKING OPTIONS WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED AND THEN SINCE THE REPORT WENT OUT, WE WE DID HAVE WE DID GET INFORMATION ON THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING AND AS MENTIONED, ONE FOR GENERAL OFFICE, TWO FOR MEDICAL WOULD BE REQUIRED.
ELEVATIONS ADHERE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES.
TREE PRESERVATION PLAN MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE, AS DOES THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND WE DID RECEIVE TWO OPPOSITION RESPONSES TO THIS PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OK, SIR, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? MR. BLAKE, ONE MORE TIME.
SKIP BLAKE, BLAKE ARCHITECTS 502 SOUTHLAKE CHAPEL.
AND AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN, WHEN THEY COMPLETED THAT, THEY HAD THE DUMPSTER IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
AND SO WE HAD TO SLIDE THE DUMPSTER A LITTLE MORE WEST.
IN THAT PROCESS, WE SQUEEZED IN THE PARKING TO GET ONE MORE PARKING SPACE BECAUSE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS ARE 12 FEET WIDE, REALLY 13 FEET BY THE TIME YOU ADD THE CURBS.
SO BOTTOM LINE IS WE WERE ABLE TO GET ONE MORE PARKING SPACE AND THEN THE NEIGHBOR
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TO THE SIDE.KEVIN SUGGESTED THAT COULD WE ELIMINATE A HANDICAPPED SPACE? AND YES, WE CAN.
IF WE'RE A GENERAL OFFICE BUILDING, WHEN WE GET A TENANT, MY CLIENT GETS A TENANT.
SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE CAN ONLY DESIGNATE ONE HANDICAPPED SPACE SO WITH THAT I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BLAKE? OK, SIR.
OK, WELL, ITEM SIX G AS WELL AS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM SIX G, NOW'S THE CHANCE.
SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL.
ANY DISCUSSION, ANY ISSUES WITH THIS? ALL RIGHT.
I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX G.
OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ZA19-0069, WHICH IS A SITE PLAN FOR LOT NINE RIVER OAKS OFFICE BUILDING, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 14,2021.
AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER FIVE DATED SEPTEMBER 14, 2021.
NOTING THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE 17 SPACES ON SITE AND REMOVE THE PARKING ISLAND, AS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
GREAT, ITEM SIX G PASSES SEVEN ZERO.
WITH THAT, WE MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX H RESOLUTION NUMBER 21-037,
[6.H. Resolution No. 21-037, (ZA21-0067), Specific Use Permit for Two Accessory Buildings on Lot 1, Block 1, Solana Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 500 W. Dove Road, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "NR-PUD" Non-Residential Planned Unit Development District. SPIN Neighborhood #1. PUBLIC HEARING]
ZA21-0067.SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR TWO ACCESSORY BUILDINGS AND DIRECTOR BAKER.
I THINK THE PACKET WAS PRETTY CLEAR ON THIS ONE.
DO WE NEED A PRESENTATION? NOT UNLESS COUNCIL NEEDS ONE.
IT'S BASICALLY TWO ACCESSORY BUILDINGS THAT WILL SERVE AS GUARD HOUSES.
ONE IS ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY ONE SQUARE FEET, THE OTHER IS NINETY THREE SQUARE FEET.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, A SUP IS REQUIRED.
OK, COUNCIL, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM FOR STAFF? OK DIRECTOR BAKER IS THE APPLICANT HERE ? COME ON DOWN SIR IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
YES, MY NAME IS MASON GRIFFIN.
I RESIDE AT 6423 TULIP LANE IN DALLAS AND I AM HERE REPRESENTING VERIZON.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE MIGHT HAS, MIGHT HAVE, BUT OTHERWISE I'LL LIMIT MY COMMENTS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT? THANK YOU, SIR.
APPRECIATE YOU BEING DOWN HERE.
ANY DISCUSSION SEEMS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT WE CAN.
WE CAN CHEW ON IT FOR A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU GUYS.
OK, WELL, WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
OK? MAYOR AND COUNCIL WHOA [INAUDIBLE].
LIKE I WAS SAYING, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT I TOTALLY DIDN'T FORGET ABOUT AND CALL FOR A MOTION.
ALL RIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX H OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS RESOLUTION NUMBER 21-037.
OTHERWISE KNOWN AS ZA21-0067, WHICH IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR TWO ACCESSORY BUILDINGS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 14, 2021 AND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED SEPTEMBER 3, 2021.
WE HAVE A MOTION IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
ALL RIGHT, ITEM SIX H PASSES SEVEN ZERO, CONGRATULATIONS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX I RESOLUTION NUMBER 21-038, ZA21-0071
[6.I. Resolution No. 21-038, (ZA21-0071), Specific Use Permit for a Commercial School, including Trade School on property described as Lot 3R2R2, Green Meadows Subdivision, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 2211 E. Continental Blvd., Unit 150, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "1-1" - Light Industrial District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING]
SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL SCHOOL, INCLUDING TRADE SCHOOL DIRECTOR BAKER.THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A COMMERCIAL SCHOOL, INCLUDING A TRADE SCHOOL IN THE I1, WHICH SUP IS REQUIRED.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2211 EAST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD INDUSTRIAL LAND USE THE I1 ZONING ANY COMMERCIAL TYPE SCHOOL IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT DOES REQUIRE A SUP APPROVAL BY A CITY COUNCIL.
THIS DESCRIPTION IS IN YOUR PACKET, BUT THIS IS A BOUTIQUE STYLE COMMERCIAL GOLF SCHOOL.
BE UP TO THREE STUDENTS, THE HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 10 A.M.
STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE PARKING BECAUSE OF THE CAP OR LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS.
THERE IS ADEQUATE PARKING AT THIS FACILITY AND LOCATION.
JUST A COUPLE SITE PLANS THE SUITE THAT THE SCHOOL WILL BE OCCUPYING AND IF APPROVED, AND THEN A COUPLE OF PHOTOS OF THE BUILDING.
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THERE HAS BEEN NO RESPONSES.P&Z RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SEVEN ZERO AND TIED THE APPROVAL TO THE APPLICANT'S LEASE TERMS OR ANY RENEWALS.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? OK, THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? NO APPLICANT.
WELL, I HOPE NOBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
I GUESS YOU CAN APPROVE IT OR IF YOU CAN TABLE IT.
SORRY? I SAID YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT EVEN THOUGH THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE OR YOU CAN TABLE.
WELL, I JUST OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ISSUES, ANYTHING WE WANT TO DISCUSS, I GUESS, WITH STAFF.
SO I MEAN, IT SEEMS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IT'S A LITTLE STRANGE NOT TO HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE .
TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HATE TO APPROVE WITHOUT A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ALL IS GOING ON.
I MEAN, I CAN READ THE STAFF REPORT, BUT IT'S ALSO ALL ALWAYS HELPFUL TO HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENT WITH THIS SORT OF REQUEST.
SO I'M INCLINED TO TABLE UNLESS ANYBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
ANY ISSUES? I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO THE TABLE THEN AND HOPEFULLY THE APPLICANT HAS TIME FOR US NEXT TIME.
MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE TABLE ITEM NUMBER SIX I OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS RESOLUTION NUMBER 21-038, WHICH IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL SCHOOL, INCLUDING A TRADE SCHOOL.
I MOVE WE TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
OK, THE MOTION TO TABLE PASSES SEVEN ZERO.
HOPEFULLY, WE'LL SEE THE APPLICANT IN TWO WEEKS.
WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, ALLEN WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IF WE'RE TABLING, CORRECT? OK, GREAT.
OK, WITH THAT WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN A.
[7.A. Ordinance No. 480-786 (ZA21-0058), 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for 603 N. Kimball Avenue (Pemberton) on property described as Tract 5A03, Samuel Freeman Survey, No. 525 Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, located at 603 N. Kimball Avenue, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "AG" Agricultural District. Proposed Zoning: "SF-20A" Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #4. (If approved at 1st reading, the public hearing will be held on October 5, 2021).]
ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-786, ZA21-0058.FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT PLAN FOR 603 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, WHICH IS THE PEMBERTON PROJECT.
THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT YOUR LAST MEETING.
YOU REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT COME BACK WITH SOME OPTIONS.
THOSE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU.
I CAN GO INTO ANY DETAILS, BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND THERE ARE OPTION A THROUGH E THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU.
THE STAFF HAS PROVIDED A NARRATIVE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE VARIOUS OPTIONS IF NEEDED, BUT OPTION A, OPTION B, C, D AND E HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AND I'LL JUST IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE INSTEAD OF GOING INTO DETAIL ABOUT EACH OPTION.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE OPTIONS FOR STAFF? AND WE'LL HAVE APPLICANT PRESENTATION HERE IN A MINUTE.
DIRECTOR BAKER, IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE FOR THIS ONE? COME ON DOWN CURTIS.
DEAN [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTIES 740 NORTH PEYTONVILLE AVENUE, SOUTHLAKE.
IF IT'S OK WITH MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'LL JUST READ THIS EVENING.
IT MAY NOT BE AS ENTERTAINING, BUT IT MAY BE MORE EFFICIENT.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT PEMBERTON TO YOU AGAIN.
PICKING UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF FROM TWO WEEKS AGO, WE SUBMITTED FOUR ADDITIONAL GOOD FAITH DESIGN EFFORTS OR ALTERNATIVES THAT CURTIS PREPARED TO YOU AS REQUESTED.
WE STILL SUPPORT CONCEPT A THE THROUGH STREET DESIGN.
IT CONNECTS THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND PEOPLE AND CREATES UNITY AND NOT DIVISION.
AND AFTER ALL, ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE? CONCEPT A OFFERS A BETTER DESIGN FLOW AND CREATES A STRONG, STRONGER PROPERTY VALUES.
IN SHORT, IT JUST HAS A MUCH BETTER NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL TO IT.
AND AS YOU RECALL, THIS CONCEPT WAS ALSO STRONGLY SUPPORTED BY OUR FIRE CHIEF.
THE NEIGHBORS, THE NEIGHBORS IN WHICH THEIR PROPERTY PHYSICALLY TOUCHED THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE ALL SUPPORTIVE OF CONCEPT A THAT THROUGH STREET DESIGN.
THIS INCLUDES THE FAMILY THAT LIVES AT THE END OF STILLWATER COURT, AS WELL AS MRS. OATS TO THE EAST.
MR. AND MRS. DAHL AND MR. AND MRS. ASCHER TO THE SOUTH.
I KNOW THAT YOU ALL MAY BE FOCUSED ON THE OBJECTIONS FROM TWO RESIDENTS ON STILLWATER COURT, AS WELL AS THE VOICE OF OBJECTION HEARD THROUGH THE PATTERSON POND HOA LEADERSHIP.
I'M ALSO SYMPATHETIC TO THOSE OBJECTIONS.
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HOWEVER, PLEASE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF OR FORGET OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH.THAT'S THE RESIDENTS OF ESTANCIA, AND THEY'RE EQUALLY IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THE ESTANCIA RESIDENTS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF CONCEPT A THE THROUGH STREET DESIGN.
THEY'VE EXPLAINED TO ME THAT THEY HAVE REALLY NO DESIRE TO DRIVE ACROSS OVER TO STILLWATER COURT AND ATTEMPT A LEFT HAND TURN OUT ONTO KIMBALL AVENUE, PRIMARILY DUE TO THE INTERSECTION THERE AT KIRKWOOD.
THEY WANTED CITY COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND THAT ABOUT 98 PERCENT OF THE TIME THE ESTANCIA RESIDENTS WILL TURN LEFT OUT OF THEIR COMMUNITY PRIMARILY TO ACCESS HIGHWAY 114 OR THE RESTAURANT STORES AND SERVICES, WHICH ARE BASICALLY ALL IN THAT DIRECTION.
IT WILL BE USED BY THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR CHILDREN TO RIDE BIKES, GO FOR A WALK AND THEIR CHILDREN VERY WELL MAY WALK OVER TO STILLWATER COURT IN ORDER TO GET TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND IT WOULD STILL BE ONE OF THE LEAST TRAVELED SUBDIVISION STREETS IN THE ENTIRE CITY.
I HAVE RECEIVED STRONG FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS OF ESTANCIA THAT THEY DO NOT SUPPORT THE CONCEPTS B, C OR D.
THESE ARE CONCEPTS THAT WE ALSO DO NOT PREFER.
HOWEVER, CONCEPT E IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH.
IT OFFERS THE BEST COMPROMISE BECAUSE THERE IS NO THROUGH STREET, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE MAIN COMPLAINT.
HOWEVER, IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE TINY AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COUNT ALONG STILLWATER COURT COMPARED TO CONCEPT A.
CONCEPT E DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD FEELING THAT CONCEPT A OFFERS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST BATCH OF LEMONADE THAT WE CAN MAKE GIVEN THE LEMONS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.
SO IN CONCLUSION, I THINK THERE'S A REASONABLE COMPROMISE THAT CAN BE MADE THIS EVENING.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT, WHETHER IT'S CONCEPT A OR CONCEPT E.
PEOPLE ARE ALREADY ASKING ME ABOUT THE LOTS, BUT AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF LOTS I WOULD BE OFFERING.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO BEGIN WORKING ON THE FIRST HOME DESIGN, AND SO I ASK FOR YOUR VOTE TO APPROVE ONE OF THESE CONCEPTS THIS EVENING.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO CURTIS.
MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
CURTIS YOUNG [INAUDIBLE] GROUP 1130 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE.
LET ME JUST SAY BEFORE YOU START, THANK YOU FOR COMING UP WITH SOME ADDITIONAL CREATIVITY FOR PLUMBING THE DEPTHS OF YOUR ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE PLAN CREATIVITY.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS MUCH BETTER.
THIS WAS MUCH, MUCH BETTER THAN THE FIRST TIME.
I KNOW YOU ADMONISHED ME LAST TIME FOR BRINGING PLANS THAT WE DIDN'T LIKE, BUT ONLY BECAUSE P&Z ASKED US AND SEVERAL OF THESE PLANS WE DON'T LIKE.
WE ORIGINALLY HAD PREPARED THEM IN HOPES THAT WE COULD SEND THEM OUT MUCH PRIOR TO THIS MEETING AND GET SOME FEEDBACK.
BUT I KNOW ONCE IT BECOMES IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE, THEY'RE THEY'RE PUBLIC.
YOU KNOW, AS DEAN SAID, YOU KNOW, CONCEPT A, WE STILL LIKE THE BEST.
WE THINK IT'S IT'S IT'S TAKING A VERY SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A MICRO NEIGHBORHOOD PUTTING THEM TOGETHER.
AND WE STILL ONLY HAVE TWENTY THREE LOTS AND TWO ACCESSES OUT TO THE ARTERIAL.
THE TRAFFIC IS IS NOT AN ISSUE, IT JUST ISN'T, NOW COMING UP LAST TIME.
COUNCIL MEMBER PATTON ASKED ABOUT A SEPARATE ENTRY OFF OF OFF OF B, SO I WANTED TO SHOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS STILL, I THINK, TOO CLOSE TO A MAJOR INTERSECTION WHICH KIRKWOOD AND KIMBLE, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY EVEN HAVE A LIGHT THERE SOMEDAY.
YOU KNOW, THIS ONE HAS ISSUES, YOU KNOW, IF FOR SOME REASON YOU CHOOSE THAT YOU ONLY WANT US TO ACCESS THIS PROPERTY FROM THE SOUTH, THEN IT REALLY IS ESTANCIA PHASE TWO.
BUT HERE'S CONCEPT PLAN E WHICH, AS DEAN SAID, IS KIND OF A COMPROMISE.
WE THINK THE THE FEARS WHICH WE THINK ARE A LITTLE BIT UNFOUNDED OF TRAFFIC COMING FROM ESTANCIA THROUGH THERE ON A THIS WOULD AT LEAST ADDRESS THAT.
WE ARE ASKING FOR AN ACCESS EASEMENT FROM SIX BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE OUT TO THERE, BUT PROMISING THAT THAT SIX, WHICH WOULD FRONT ON THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC IN ESTANCIA, WOULD HAVE ITS OWN RESIDENTIAL GATE, SO THERE WOULDN'T BE TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE.
I THINK THIS HOPEFULLY ADDRESSES COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON'S REQUEST FOR SOME KIND OF A PRESENCE.
I THINK THE LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC THERE WOULD GIVE US SOME OPEN SPACE TO WHAT I
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CALL AN EYEBROW CUL-DE-SAC, OPEN SPACE TO LANDSCAPE AND KIND OF FRONT THE LOTS THAT FRONT ON IT TOWARD AND GIVE THIS LITTLE FLARE.SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLAN, AND I THINK IT WOULD WORK FINE AGAIN, EITHER A OR E ARE THE ONES THAT WE LIKE.
BUT WE'D SURE WE'D LIKE YOUR DIRECTION TONIGHT AND WE CAN FINALIZE THESE AND GO TO SECOND READING, HOPEFULLY.
WELL, I WON'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE.
SEEMS TO CHECK A LOT OF BOXES, INCLUDING MAINTAINING A CUL-DE-SAC ON STILLWATER COURT.
THE ONLY THING I'M NOT SURE ABOUT IS THAT ACCESS EASEMENT FROM SIX UP TO THE TO THE CIRCLE.
I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE POINT OF THAT.
SO IT WOULD ALLOW SIX TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE PART OF PEMBERTON.
THEY WOULD HAVE A DRIVEWAY OUT TO OUT TO THE LOOP CUL-DE-SAC, BUT THEIR THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO THE END OF [INAUDIBLE] VALLEY COURT.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, I JUST CAN'T ENVISION IT.
I GUESS I DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUES ON THAT ONE, BUT I'M A FAN OF E.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? SO I ALSO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
I WAS INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT WHAT YOU WOULD COME UP WITH.
I LIKE IT FOR THE CONNECTIVITY THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL.
I THINK IN OUR CITY WE'RE ALL ABOUT CONNECTIVITY AND IT KEEPS THE KIDS, YOU KNOW, RIDING THEIR BIKES AND SO FORTH.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT A COUPLE OF THE FOLKS ON STILLWATER COURT, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THIS.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S TOUGH, WHEN YOU MOVE NEXT TO OPEN LAND, YOU DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY OTHER THAN PERHAPS HOMES WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE.
SO I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF OPTION A.
I THINK E IS GREAT FROM THIS STANDPOINT, BUT TO ME, IT CLOSES OUT BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS AND CONNECT THEM WITH A THIRD NEIGHBORHOOD, HERE.
BASICALLY, IN MY OPINION, IS SIX NOT GOING TO OPEN ONTO ESTANCIA BECAUSE TO ME, THIS FEELS LIKE YOU FINISHED ESTANCIA AND YOU FINISHED STILLWATER COURT AND YOU'RE DONE.
ARE YOU STILL? BUT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CONNECT SIX TO THE OTHER FIVE, THAT SEEMS ODD.
WELL SIX WOULD STILL FRONT ON THE END OF ESTANCIA COURT.
YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE A FRONT THERE, AND WE'VE TALKED WITH MR. ASHER, WHO OWNS THE LOT RIGHT NEXT TO IT THERE.
AND HE'S, YOU KNOW, HE'S GOOD WITH GIVING US PLENTY OF ROOM THERE.
WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO GO THROUGH THERE.
ARE YOU OK LOSING IT? BECAUSE I AGREE.
IF THAT'S IF THAT'S THE WAY COUNCIL WANTS TO GO, WE CAN DO WITHOUT IT.
BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK IT'S GREAT.
I MEAN, I THINK YOU COMPLETE THINGS.
I THINK IT'S I LIKE THIS LOOK OF THINGS.
IT KIND OF OPENS UP STILLWATER COURT A LITTLE BIT FROM THAT, THAT CUL-DE-SAC THERE OFF OF OFF OF KIMBALL.
I'LL ADD SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF E OUT OF ALL OF THESE OPTIONS, FOR THE SIMILAR REASONS, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE THE LEAST IMPACTFUL FOR BOTH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
STILLWATER COURT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD TO ANTICIPATE THEY'RE GOING TO SEE SOME LOTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEIR STREET.
AND I THINK THIS IS THE LEAST IMPACTFUL WAY OF GOING ABOUT THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH REALLY ARE JUST ADDING ONE LOT IN TERMS OF THE EXISTING, YEAH, JUST THE EXISTING CUL-DE-SAC.
SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT EASEMENT.
THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME, EITHER.
I THINK LOT SIX SHOULD JUST COME IN AND OUT OF THAT INGRESS EGRESS THERE IN THE CUL-DE-SAC AND JUST KEEP IT AT THAT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I COULD, I GUESS, GET COMFORTABLE WITH OPTION E.
THE THING I WAS, WAS HOPEFUL OF IS WE COULD MOVE THE ENTRANCE AND OR EXIT, WHICH IS NOW THIS U THING AWAY FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE CUL-DE-SAC FEEL TOWARDS THAT END.
SO I WAS HOPEFUL THAT WE'D HAVE A ROAD THAT MAYBE WE SHIFTED.
WHAT ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] ACCESS? IS THAT? CHIEF STARR? WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT E? WE DID LOOK AT E EARLY ON, THEY DID SEND THIS FIRST REVIEW AND I DON'T KNOW THAT
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IT'S BEEN UPDATED, BUT THE STREET IS 24 FEET WIDE, WHICH CAUSES SOME ISSUES.WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES IN THE CITY BECAUSE ENFORCING NO PARKING ON A TWENTY FOUR FOOT WIDTH ROAD IS VERY DIFFICULT AND OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SET FIRE TRUCK UP IF ANYBODY PARKED ON THAT STREET.
SO WE REQUIRE A THIRTY ONE FOOT WIDE STREET GOING THROUGH THERE TO MEET WHAT OUR STANDARDS TO SET OUR FIRETRUCK.
ARE YOU OK WITH THIRTY ONE FEET? YEAH, I ALREADY TALKED TO KELLY ABOUT THAT.
HE GAVE ME THE CHIEF'S [INAUDIBLE] DECIDED ON THAT AND I SAID, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT, WE'LL DO A THIRTY ONE FOOT [INAUDIBLE].
BUT JUST AROUND MY COMMENTS, I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE THIS AT ALL, CONSIDERING THAT YOU HAVE A ROAD RIGHT NEXT TO THE CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END, WHICH IS WHAT I DON'T WANT.
IS THERE? IS THERE A VERSION YOU PREFER OVER THIS? OPTION A.
COUNCIL MEMBER TORRES-LEPP ANY THOUGHTS? A IS MY FAVORITE BY FAR.
I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY.
I'M PERSONALLY THE BIGGEST REASON I LIKE A IS I'M NOT A FAN OF THESE LITTLE ITTY BITTY STREETS THAT WE KEEP BUILDING OFF THESE MAIN ROADS THAT HAVE FIVE, SIX HOUSES ON THEM.
I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT'S COMMENTS THAT THE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO GO UP AND AROUND AND OUT TO DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC TO TURN LEFT ON KIRKWOOD.
THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT AND GO THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED.
SO FOR LOTS OF REASONS, I LIKE A.
IN FACT, I LIKE D AS IN DOG BETTER THAN I LIKE E.
ISN'T THIS A NICE SPOT TO BE SITTING IN? WELL, YOU DRAW THE SHORT STRAW TONIGHT, BROTHER.
WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE, RANDY? NO, SO WELL, FIRST OF ALL, AS FAR AS D.
YEAH, IF IT WAS APPROVED, THERE'S NO WAY I COULD DO THAT EASEMENT.
I MEAN, THAT'S BASICALLY CREATING A FLAT LOT IN A DEVELOPMENT.
THE THE CONCERN I HAVE ON E IS BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT ACCESS POINT, THEN NOW YOU'VE GOT A LOT THAT KIND OF SITS BY ITSELF OVER THERE.
I MEAN, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF OF NEIGHBORS AND SEEING PEOPLE DRIVE BY AND WAVING AND THAT KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S REALLY WEIRD THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO ENTER.
THEY'D BE THE ONE PIECE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT ENTERS THROUGH ESTANCIA.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MY REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT WAS, BRING US OTHER OPTIONS.
LET US JUST SEE, LET US SEE EVERYTHING.
AND I DO FEEL LIKE THEY'VE EXHAUSTED THEMSELVES HERE WITH PRETTY MUCH THE OPTIONS THAT ARE HERE.
I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS ONE A LOT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, LIKE [INAUDIBLE], WHERE YOU JUST GO FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TO NEIGHBORHOOD AND WORK YOUR WAY THROUGH DIFFERENT STREETS AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW YOU'RE IN A DIFFERENT SECTION OF [INAUDIBLE] AND IT'S A VERY OPEN SHARED SPACE.
I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER LEPP.
I THINK THAT OTHER THAN THE HANDFUL OF HOUSES AT THE AT THE COTSWOLD VALLEY CUL-DE-SAC THERE THAT MAY CHOOSE TO GO THROUGH AND GO UP TO STILLWATER.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE IN ESTANCIA IS GOING TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T LEAN ITSELF THAT WAY.
IT'S A VERY CURVY NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU'RE GOING TO GO OUT, YOU'RE GOING TO GO OUT THE OTHER WAY.
SO I'M PROBABLY I'M LEANING TOWARDS A THE ORIGINAL ONE.
IT'S JUST IT'S A SUCH A LOW VOLUME AREA HERE.
I MEAN, 20 HOUSES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH TWO ACCESS POINTS FOR TWENTY THREE HOUSES.
SO, OK, WELL, BEFORE WE WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT OPENING PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT BEFORE WE DO, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CURTIS OR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD HEARING THOSE COMMENTS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OK, WELL, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT FOR A SECOND.
THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE THIS IS A FIRST READING.
SO REMEMBER, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN LIKE THIS AND A ZONING CHANGE AND A CONCEPT PLAN, WE HAVE TWO READINGS.
THE FIRST READING WE HAD LAST OR TWO WEEKS AGO, WE TABLED THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE.
SO THE SECOND READING WILL HAPPEN.
IF THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT, WE'LL MOVE TO SECOND READING IN TWO WEEKS.
SO JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THE PROCESS.
SO NOTWITHSTANDING, I KNOW A NUMBER OF YOU ARE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING.
I'VE GOT SOME COMMENT CARDS, WHICH I'LL READ IN ORDER.
SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU'VE HEARD KIND OF WHERE COUNCIL IS ON ALL THESE OPTIONS.
YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN CONCEPT A THAT YOU SAW THAT TWO WEEKS AGO.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH YOU'VE SEEN AS FAR AS THE OTHER CONCEPTS, BUT I WOULD ASK IF
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YOU'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS PLAN OR THIS PROJECT.LET US KNOW YOUR PREFERENCES IF IT'S ABCDE OR NOTHING.
OR MAYBE IF YOU DO, YOU KNOW WHICH ONE OF THESE YOU COULD GET COMFORTABLE WITH THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US.
OK, WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING.
I HAVE THE FIRST PERSON WISHING TO SPEAK IS CODY CROCKER AT 2209 PATTERSON WAY, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM.
NEXT IS AYAD [INAUDIBLE] AT 2201 PATTERSON WAY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM, SIR, IF YOU COULD COME ON DOWN.
SO AS A REMINDER TO EVERYONE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
FOR THE RECORD, WHEN YOU COME DOWN.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TALK.
THE GREEN LIGHT WILL GO ON WHEN YOU START TALKING, YELLOW LIGHT AT ONE MINUTE AND RED LIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO CUT YOU OFF SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING ON.
BY THE WAY, JUST TO KNOW WHAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THEY HAD TO SAY, I WISH TO SPEAK SO THEY CAN ADD THE NOTE.
THE WEBSITE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO ADD THE NOTE IF YOU DON'T SELECT THAT OPTION.
SO SOME OF THEM ARE NOT HERE, BUT THEY WANT TO ADD THE NOTE FOR YOU.
WELL, THERE IS A THIRD OPTION SAYS I DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IT'S NO PROBLEM EITHER WAY.
[INAUDIBLE] I TEST IT MANY TIMES.
OK, WE'LL CONTINUE TO READ THEM.
I TRIED TO BE WITHIN MY THREE MINUTES.
I'LL START BY THANKING YOU FOR REQUESTING AN ALTERNATIVE CONCEPT AND FOR THE APPLICANT FOR DOING SO.
FIVE OTHER CONCEPTS WERE SUBMITTED FROM THE RESEARCH WITH THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL.
OTHERWISE, IT WILL NOT BE IN THIS PACKAGE OR IN TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
AS A CITY PLANNING AND THE CITY OFFICIALS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SELECT A CONCEPT, THE SELECTION BECOMES THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE IMPACTED CITIZENS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A TOP PRIORITY.
THEN, OF COURSE, THE COMMITTEE AS A SECOND PRIORITY, THE IMPACT THE CITIZENS HAVE SPOKEN FOR A CONCEPT B 100 PERCENT VOTE, AT LEAST NOT AS LONG AS THERE IS A VIABLE OPTION.
AND THERE WAS APPROVED AND WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY, THE DEVELOPER AND THE APPLICANT.
I HOPE THE CITY COUNCIL WILL ACT UPON THE WISHES OF THESE CITIZENS.
DID YOU SAY CONCEPT B AS IN BRAVO? YES.
OK, WITH EVERYBODY'S IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M STRESSING THE POINT THAT ESTANCIA KNOW ABOUT THE THROUGH STREET WHEN THE [INAUDIBLE] LOTS, THROUGH STREET SIGN DOES NOT MEAN IT HAS TO CONNECT TO ANOTHER STREET.
IT JUST A STREET IN THE FUTURE TO BE DEVELOPED FOR THAT EMPTY LAND.
THE [INAUDIBLE] AND THE STILLWATER RESIDENTS, THEY DID NOT KNOW THAT WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR LAND, SO THEIR WISHES TO KEEP IT AS A SEPARATE, SECLUDED CUL-DE-SAC.
THAT'S WHY OPTION B WAS THE TOP PRIORITY.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. FRANK [INAUDIBLE] AT 2213 PATTERSON WAY, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM, SIR.
FRANK [INAUDIBLE], 2213 PATTERSON WAY, THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK, I'VE BEEN THERE TWO MONTHS, SO.
AS I HAD SAID, I'M A SUPPORT OF OPTION B FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT IT'S LESS OBTRUSIVE FOR THE FOLKS ON STILLWATER COURT.
I THINK OPTION A LOOKS GOOD, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S GOING TO MASSIVELY CHANGE STILLWATER THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.
IT'S A VERY QUIET STREET, LESS TRAVELED.
THERE'S WHAT THREE OR FOUR HOUSES ON THE STREET.
I THINK THE IMPACT ON THIS DEVELOPMENT ON THAT STREET WILL BE A MASSIVE IMPACT, NOT ONLY FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, FROM A RESIDENT STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO FROM A DELIVERY STANDPOINT.
AMAZON DRIVERS, YOU KNOW, FEDEX DRIVERS, THERE WILL BE A HUGE INFLUX OF TRAFFIC ON STILLWATER.
I JUST LIVE ON THE BLOCK NEXT DOOR.
I SEE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON MY STREET, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A CUL-DE-SAC, RIGHT? HAVING A THROUGHPUT WITH 13 OTHER RESIDENTS IN ESTANCIA.
WHETHER THEY GO LEFT, WHETHER THEY GO RIGHT SEVERELY IMPACTS THE STILLWATER TRAFFIC.
FROM MY STANDPOINT, I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE STILLWATER RESIDENTS, RIGHT? BECAUSE I'M THEIR NEIGHBOR.
I WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT I'M NOT IN.
I SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT I THINK SOME OF THESE OTHER OPTIONS, LIKE OPTION B, ARE A BETTER SUITED FOR ALL THREE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING NEIGHBORS TO EACH OTHER.
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SO I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF OPTION B.OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JAMES FAVARO AT 2216, PATTERSON WAY, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM, IS JAMES HERE? OK, WELL, WE'LL RECORD THAT FOR THE RECORD.
NEXT SPEAKER IS JOHN VU AT 801 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM.
IS JOHN HERE? OK, WE'LL RECORD THAT FOR THE RECORD AS WELL.
NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. DAN NGUYEN AT 228 STILLWATER COURT WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM.
DAN NGUYEN 228 STILLWATER COURT, YEAH, I LOOKED AT THE OPTION THAT WAS GIVEN AND, YOU KNOW, I STILL SUPPORT.
I MEAN, WITH WITH EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY I SUPPORT OPTION B, YOU KNOW, IT JUST WAS THE FACT THAT STILLWATER HAS ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE QUIET STREET.
AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THAT'S WHAT I FIRST MOVED INTO FOR IS FOR THE CUL-DE-SAC JUST TO GET IT REVAMPING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME TRAFFIC IN THERE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC IS GOING TO HAVE KIDS, YOU KNOW, PLAYING IN THERE AND THEY SAID THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HERE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CROSS THE STREET.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO OPEN UP, YOU KNOW, SOME JUST MORE TRAFFIC AND LIKE I SAID CONCEPT B IS IS WHAT I'M STICKING TO.
AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. HENRY HUBBELL AT 2208 PATTERSON WAY, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM.
SIR? HENRY HUBBELL AT 2208 PATTERSON WAY.
I DO NOT OPPOSE THE REZONING REQUEST, I SUPPORT A MODIFIED CONCEPT B, A STANDALONE CUL-DE-SAC THAT IS MODIFIED TO HAVE ALL HOMES FACING THE NEW STREET PEMBERTON.
THIS CONCEPT WOULD ELIMINATE THE MAJOR STILLWATER COURT DISRUPTIONS, INCLUDING TRAFFIC IMPACTS TWO TO THREE YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION CONGESTION, SAFETY IMPACTS AND GENERAL CONFUSION FROM DIFFERENT HOA RULES APPLYING TO THE SAME STREET.
THE MODIFIED CONCEPT B WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS ALONG NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE.
WE SURVEYED THE PATERSON POND HOA RESIDENTS AND TWO A PERSON THEY ALL PREFERRED A MODIFIED CONCEPT B WITH NO HOMES FACING STILLWATER COURT.
WE BELIEVE THIS IS A MUCH BETTER CONCEPT THAN ANY OF THE OTHERS.
THE POINT AT WHICH PEMBERTON INTERSECTS NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE IN THIS CONCEPT PLAN IS AT THE TOP OF A RISE.
IT GIVES CLEAR VIEW ALL THE WAY TO ROUTE 114 AND A CLEAR VIEW TO THE NORTH GOING TO HIGHLAND, THE HIGHLAND INTERSECTION.
IT IS IN FACT A SAFER INTERSECTION TO ACCESS NORTH KIMBALL THAN EITHER OF THE EXISTING INTERSECTIONS AT ESTANCIA OR STILLWATER COURT.
IT ALSO PROVIDES MORE DIRECT FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE ACCESS TO PEMBERTON AND THE NORTH SECTION OF ESTANCIA.
IN ADDITION, THIS WILL PROVIDE THE LEAST CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS TO BOTH STILLWATER COURT AND ESTANCIA.
THE PEOPLE MOST IMPACTED BY THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE THE NEW RESIDENTS OF PEMBERTON.
THEY WILL BE WELL AWARE OF THOSE IMPACTS WHEN THEY BUY, AND THEY WILL MAKE THEIR PURCHASE DECISION KNOWING THEY WILL EXIST UNTIL THE STREET IS BUILT OUT.
I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS INPUT AND SEEKING REVIEW OF ADDITIONAL OPTIONS.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK DEAN AND CURTIS FOR THEIR CREATIVITY, EXPLORING THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CONCEPTS.
I BELIEVE WE FOUND ONE THAT IS A CLEAR WINNER, AND THAT'S OPTION B AN OPTION B YOU ARE.
YOU'RE STILL ALMOST 300 FEET FROM THAT INTERSECTION AND YOU HAVE A VERY CLEAR LOOK, BOTH DIRECTIONS.
SO I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY SAFE INTERSECTION TO HAVE ON THE STREET.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OK, ONE MORE COMMENT CARD FOR THE RECORD.
GARY AND KATHY DENMAN AT 2201 STILLWATER 2200 STILLWATER COURT WHO DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK.
BUT PLEASE RECORD MY OPPOSITION.
SO WE'LL NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M AT 2244 COTSWOLD VALLEY COURT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.
MY FAMILY LIVES ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED.
MY WIFE AND I SPENT FIVE YEARS FINDING OUR MARRIAGE HOME, MOSTLY BECAUSE I DID NOT UNDERSTAND FENG SHUI AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO MY CHINESE WIFE.
WE REVIEWED FLOOR PLANS, ZONING MAPS, FUTURE LAND USE MAPS, FLOOD PLAIN MAPS,
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EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY OFFERS.WE CONSIDERED SEVERAL HOUSES IN PATTERSON POND.
WE ARE HESITANT DUE TO THE POND AND LOTS IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
INTERESTINGLY, A LOT BUILDER TOLD US THAT STILLWATER WAS A SECONDARY DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE LAND WAS NOT FOR SALE DURING PRIMARY DEVELOPMENT.
THE BUILDER ALSO SAID WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF STILLWATER WAS AN UNKNOWN.
FENG SHUI WAS SOLVED FOR THE WIFE, EXCEPT POSSIBLY NOW THE UNKNOWN IS ON THE LEFT SIDE INSTEAD OF ON THE FRONT SIDE.
OUR DEVELOPER TOLD US THAT THE FUTURE THROUGH STREET SIGN MEANT NOTHING BECAUSE UNTIL THE DEVELOPER BOUGHT IT UNTIL MR. [INAUDIBLE] SOLD THE PROPERTY.
THEY SAID IT COULD BE ESTANCIA EXTENDED PATTERSON EXTENDED OR A NEW DEVELOPMENT.
FROM PATERSON'S POND BUILDERS TO ESTANCIA BUILDERS.
WE WERE SIMPLY TOLD THERE'S NO GUARANTEES WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THAT PROPERTY, WHETHER WE BOUGHT STILLWATER OR WHETHER WE BOUGHT COTSWOLD, NONE.
MY WIFE AND I WERE QUITE APPRECIATIVE THAT THE NEW DEVELOPER REACHED OUT TO US EARLY TO MEET AND TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE OPTIONS PRESENTED TONIGHT.
OUR PREFERENCE REMAINS AS DURING THE ZONING MEETING, WHICH IS FOR CONCEPT A ESTANCIA A EVERY SINGLE HOME AND THE LOT WE HAVE OVER THERE WILL OPPOSE B DEAD SET AGAINST B, C OR D COMPLETELY.
CONCEPT E IS WORSE, IT PUTS A NEW STREET ON KIMBALL THE WAY IT'S OWN TURNING LEFT, THEY CAN'T TURN LEFT IN THERE, THEY CAN'T TURN RIGHT IN IT.
IT'S TOO CLOSE BETWEEN THE STREETS.
TRAFFIC IS ALREADY THERE NIGHTMARE AT THAT INTERSECTION BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL AND OF THE GATEWAY CHURCH.
AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING REVIEW, A MEMBER OF PATERSON'S HOA SAID, OH, THAT IS GOING TO PUT A STREET THERE, IT'LL BE UNTENABLE.
WELL, PERHAPS BECAUSE SINCE HE DOESN'T LIVE ON STILLWATER, COTSWOLD VALLEY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND.
WE GO SOUTH ON KIMBALL NINETY EIGHT PERCENT OF NON SCHOOL TIME.
I ALWAYS TURN LEFT ON COTSWOLD VALLEY.
MY WIFE GOES, TURNS AND GOES NORTH, MAKES U-TURN BECAUSE SHE REFUSES TO DO TWO LEFTS.
SHE WON'T DO TWO LEFTS, PERIOD, SO THAT OUR ONLY CALL TO GO UP NORTH IS THE SCHOOL WE GO UP.
WE WILL STILL GO ON COTSWOLD VALLEY RIGHT, TURN LEFT.
WE SIMPLY HAVE NO REASON TO GO TO STILLWATER LATER.
AND WE LIKE CONCEPT A BECAUSE THING WE LIKE IS IT CREATES A GREATER COMMUNITY THAN THE MISS AND DISCONNECTED STUBS OF STREETS.
WE ALSO LIKE IT GIVES OUR KIDS MORE PLACES TO GO RIDE THEIR BICYCLE BECAUSE PEOPLE DRIVE 50 TO 60 MILES AN HOUR ALONG KIRKWOOD.
I DON'T LET MY KID ON KIMBALL.
WE DON'T LET OUR KIDS ON THAT SIDEWALK AT ALL.
WE FEEL IT WOULD BE A SAFER, BETTER, BIGGER COMMUNITY.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OK, WELL, THEN I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT BACK UP FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
SO YOU HEARD THE RESIDENTS, SOME RESIDENTS ON PATTERSON AND STILLWATER PREFER OPTION B.
THE GENTLEMAN TO THE SOUTH PREFERS OPTION OPTION A.
WHAT? AFTER HEARING THAT, ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS, ANY ANYTHING CHANGES YOU GUYS THE WAY YOU CONSIDER.
SO DOING ADVANCED MATH, THERE ARE FOUR FOLKS UP HERE THAT PREFER OPTION A AND THREE THAT PREFER OPTION E.
ANY GOOD QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR CHIEF OR ANYONE ELSE ABOUT ANY OF THESE OPTIONS? WELL, THERE'S IF Y'ALL ARE DONE DISCUSSING, THERE'S NOTHING TO DO BUT VOTE, SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW, JUST READING THE TEA LEAVES, IT SEEMS FAIR THAT WE GET A MOTION ON OPTION A AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.
KEN, CAN YOU JUST PUT UP OPTION B ONE MORE TIME TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHICH ONE THAT IS? I THINK THAT WAS MY LEAST FAVORITE OPTION, BUT LET ME LET ME JUST SEE.
I STILL DON'T THINK THAT WORKS.
LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY MORE THOUGHTS ON B? KEN, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT INTERSECTION BEING SO CLOSE TO STILLWATER? THE AS THE ISSUE IS BROUGHT UP, THERE'S NOT A MEDIUM BREAK HERE.
IT IS AT A TRANSITION OF LEFT HAND TURN.
IF THIS OPTION WAS SELECTED, THE TRAFFIC MOVEMENT WOULD PROBABLY BE HERE.
YOU TURN BACK DOWN AS MOST TRAFFIC IS HEADED TO THE SOUTH.
YEAH, I THINK THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS THAT WHERE UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE SOME RESIDENTS WHO PREFER THIS, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, FUTURE TRAFFIC AND MAKE THE DECISION WE THINK IS BEST FOR FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE VERSUS JUST A FEW RESIDENTS.
SO IT'S IT'S STILL MY THOUGHT THAT OPTION B IS UNTENABLE.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH THAT?
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I THINK THE COMMENT THAT I WOULD ADD JUST AGAIN TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR FROM RESIDENTS THAT DON'T WANT SOMETHING NONE OF US EVER WANT TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT OUR RESIDENTS DON'T WANT.I MEAN, WE'D LOVE TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY ON EVERY VOTE.
BUT AS I LOOK AT THIS, LIKE I HAVE A IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW AND YOU CAN SEE THE THE WHITED OUT PATTERSON POND AND COTSWOLD AND ALL THAT.
IF THIS WERE A BLANK SLATE, THIS IS HOW WE WOULD DEVELOP IT.
THIS IS EXACTLY WE WOULD PUT A ROAD THROUGH THERE AND WE WE WOULD NEVER WE JUST WOULDN'T DO E.
I MEAN E IS WORKABLE, BUT THAT'S NOT HOW YOU WOULD DO IT IF YOU HAD A BLANK SLATE.
SO THEN I'M FORCED AS I MAKE A DECISION TO SAY, WELL, THEN WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON RESIDENTS? AND IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT NO MATTER WHICH OPTION WE TAKE, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME RESIDENTS UPSET.
IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE IF WE PROTECT STILLWATER COMPLETELY, THEN THE FOLKS IN THE ESTANCIA ARE GOING TO BE UNHAPPY.
IF IF WE APPROVE A, THEN THE HANDFUL OF FOLKS ON STILLWATER ARE GOING TO BE UNHAPPY.
SO TO ME, IT'S ABOUT MAKING THE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT DECISION ON IT.
AND I STILL SAY THAT COMPARED TO THE REST OF OUR CITY, THIS IS AN EXTREMELY LOW IMPACT TRAFFIC AREA.
I MEAN, EXCEPTIONALLY LOW TRAFFIC IMPACT.
IT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC FOR STILLWATER, FOLKS.
GRANTED, BUT COMPARATIVELY TO THE REST OF OUR CITY, IT'S AN EXTREMELY LOW IMPACT.
SO THAT'S WHY I LAND IN THERE.
I THINK THAT'S WELL SAID AND I THINK IT BEHOOVES EVERYONE TO REMEMBER.
I MEAN, EVEN WITH OPTION E OR REALLY ANYTHING OTHER THAN OPTION B, WHICH I'M NOT WILLING TO REALLY, I DON'T THINK IS THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CITY.
I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE HOUSES ON STILLWATER REGARDLESS.
AND I THINK THAT WAS ALWAYS THAT WAS ALWAYS ON THE TABLE, NO MATTER WHAT WE APPROVE.
SO HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE A MOTION APPROVING.
THIS IS JUST FIRST READING, BUT WE CAN APPROVE OPTION A WITH AND SEND THIS ON TO TO SECOND READING.
CONSIDERING FOUR OF YOU GUYS ARE LEANING THAT DIRECTION.
SO CHAD, YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION OR AND PASS IT OVER TO RANDY AND LET HIM DO IT.
MAYOR AND COUNCIL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM SEVEN A OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-786, ZA21-0058.
FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT PLAN FOR 603 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, PEMBERTON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 5A03 SAMUEL FREEMAN SURVEY NUMBER FIVE TWENTY FIVE EDITION CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS LOCATED AT 603 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.
CURRENT ZONING IS AG AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT PROPOSED ZONING THAT WE'D BE APPROVING AS SF20A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 14, 2021 AND SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED AUGUST 31, 2021.
KEN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY VARIANCES ATTACHED TO A ARE THERE? OK.
SO IN NOTING THE THE FORTY FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH, AS DISCUSSED AT THE FIRST READING, IT'S FORTY FOOT AND THEY WILL BE TRANSITIONING BACK TO A 50 FOOT AT THESE LOT, SO IT WOULD BE ONE VARIANCE FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH.
OK, I'M JUST GOING TO NOTE THAT IN THE MOTION WHAT DIRECTOR BAKER JUST SHARED AND THAT WE'RE APPROVING FOR A FIRST READING, WE'RE APPROVING OPTION A.
GOOD, DIRECTOR BAKER? AND JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS FIRST READING SECOND READING WILL HAPPEN IN TWO WEEKS, SO WITH A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
OK, SO THAT MOTION TO APPROVE ON FIRST READING PASSES FOUR TO THREE.
AND WITH THAT, WE WILL SEE EVERYONE AT SECOND READING.
MOVING ON, WE WERE GOING TO CALL ITEM 7B ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-77, ZA21-0059.
[7.B. Ordinance No. 480-787, (ZA21-0059), 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Concept/Site Plan for Phillips Edison Development on property described as Lots 2R1 and 4R, L.B.G. Hall No. 686 Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 100 and 110 W. Southlake Blvd., Southlake, Texas. SPIN Neighborhood #7. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. Requested Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. (If approved at 1st reading, the public hearing will be held on October 5, 2021).]
FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT SITE PLAN FOR PHILIPS EDISON DEVELOPMENT, DIRECTOR BAKER? MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT ITS FIRST READING AT YOUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO.
THERE WAS TABLE AT YOUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, AND YOU ASKED IF THEY'LL COME BACK WITH SOME ADDITIONAL CONCEPTS, THE OPTION A, WHICH IS 37 SPACES SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE.
AND B WERE DISCUSSED AT YOUR LAST MEETING.
OPTION C IS THE NEW PROPOSAL BEING PRESENTED THIS EVENING AND CONSIDERED WHICH LOCATES THAT DRIVE ACCESS BACK INTO THE LOT 4R BACK TO THE
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WEST, ABOUT 70 FEET.ALSO, THE CONFEDERATION ADDS ADDITIONAL STACKING.
PREVIOUS SITE PLANS SHOW 11 CARS.
THESE ARE THREE COMPARISONS THE IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING, I THINK THAT IT WAS ALL ADDRESSED AT THE MEETING LAST TIME.
I CAN JUST LEAVE THIS SLIDE UP.
THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION.
GO INTO SOME DETAILS ON THE NEW CONCEPT.
OK, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OK.
I'D ASK HIM TO COME ON UP AND KIND OF RUN THROUGH WHAT YOU GUYS DID AND TALK TO US ABOUT ABOUT THIS SITE.
LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT.
STEVE BRAZEAU 3247 SANTA FE ROAD, PARK CITY, UTAH, WITH PHILLIP CITIZEN AND COMPANY.
JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS THAT WE HAD HEARD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO CLAY CHRISTY.
SO PHILLIP CITIZEN COMPANY OWNS GROCERY ANCHORED SHOPPING CENTERS.
THAT'S THE ONLY TYPE OF ASSET CLASS WE OWN.
WE'VE OWNED SUN TREE SQUARE FOR SINCE 2018 AND IT'S BEEN BROUGHT IT TO 100 PERCENT OCCUPANCY AND AND WE'VE GOT A VESTED INTEREST IN THE SHOPPING CENTER.
WE WE HOPE TO OWN IT FOR A LONG TIME AND AND TO KEEP IT RUNNING SUCCESSFULLY.
SO GOING BACK TO SOME COMMENTS FROM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE'RE NOT WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXECUTED LOIS FOR THIS PROPOSED BUILDING.
WE'RE NOT NEGOTIATING ANY LEASES FOR THIS PROPOSED BUILDING.
IT'S PURELY SPECULATIVE AT THIS TIME.
AND THAT'S REALLY BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE THE ENTITLEMENT BEFORE WE MAKE ANY COMMITMENTS TO ANY TENANTS ON IT.
SO I KNOW THAT CAN THAT CAN MAKE YOUR CONSIDERATION A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING.
BUT PLEASE CONSIDER THAT OUR CC&RS RESTRICT RESTAURANTS TO 2500 HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OR UNDER.
AND OUR LEASE WITH TOM THUMB LIMITS ANY FUTURE RESTAURANTS TO TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR UNDER.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT ELIMINATES MOST OF THE TENANTS THAT HAVE REPUTATIONS FOR STACKING AND TRAFFIC ISSUES.
AND AS HAS BEEN SAID IN THIS THIS FORUM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE STREET.
FOR MOST COFFEE CONSIDERATIONS.
A DRIVE THRU IS CRITICAL FOR US ON THIS BUILDING.
WE THINK WE HAVE A VERY NICE BUILDING, HIGH END MATERIALS, WHICH ARE GOING TO COST MORE.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT WE MAY HAVE TO REMEDIATE SOME SOILS WHEN WE REDEVELOP THE GAS STATION SITE AND A DRIVE THROUGH END CAP THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HELPS US TO ACHIEVE HIGHER RENTS.
THAT MAKES THIS BUILDING ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR US SO THAT THAT IS A PRETTY CRITICAL ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT SHOPPING CENTERS, CENTERS OF COMMERCE TO BE ACTIVE AND BUSTLING.
YOU KNOW, ANY SUCCESSFUL SHOPPING CENTER IS GOING TO BE ACTIVE AND BUSTLING, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO INTRODUCE TRAFFIC ISSUES.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER AS A WHOLE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A NEGATIVE CONSUMER EXPERIENCE BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT CHALLENGING FOR US TO RETAIN OUR EXISTING TENANTS AND MAKE IT CHALLENGING FOR US TO ATTRACT NEW TENANTS FOR SPACES THAT THAT DO BECOME VACANT.
SO IT IS A BIG CONSIDERATION FOR US, AND WE TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACTS TO THE SHOPPING CENTER WOULD BE FOR THIS NEW PROPOSED BUILDING.
WE THINK WE HAVE A GOOD SOLUTION HERE AND WITH YOUR FEEDBACK AND HELP, WE'VE CRAFTED A REVISED SITE PLAN THAT HAS 12 CARS STACKED.
IT DIRECTS TRAFFIC AROUND THE BUILDING RATHER THAN OUT TOWARDS WHITE CHAPEL.
AND WE THINK WE HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT COULD BE VERY SUCCESSFUL AND AN ASSET TO
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THIS SHOPPING CENTER SO THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I CAN ADDRESS THOSE OR TURN IT OVER TO.SURE, ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, GUYS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
I GUESS I'LL JUST I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS YOU GUYS ARE MAKING HERE AND THANKFUL FOR YOUR EFFORTS TO FILL UP YOUR SPACE, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY A CRITICAL CORNER FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU MADE A COMMENT THAT THIS THE MODIFICATION OF THIS SPACE, UPDATING IT, LOOKING FOR FUTURE TENANTS IS NOT ATTAINABLE WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH.
SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING TO THIS COUNCIL THAT YOU'LL JUST LEAVE THIS AS A OLD, DILAPIDATED TEXACO FOR PERPETUITY SHOULD YOU NOT GET DRIVE THRU APPROVAL? I'M HEARING FROM OUR ASSET MANAGER THAT THAT THEY WOULD LEAVE IT AS IT AS A GAS STATION IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ACHIEVE A DRIVE THROUGH.
BUT POTENTIALLY A NEW ONE? THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED.
OK, BECAUSE I HAD THAT EXACT QUESTION.
I MEAN, I'VE GOT I MEAN, I'VE LIVED ON BOTH ENDS OF TOWN AND I'VE ACTUALLY HAD SEVERAL FRIENDS THAT I'VE TALKED TO AND SAID THEY LIKE HAVING A GAS STATION THERE.
SO I MEAN, IT'S IT'S JUST NOT A BAD THING.
IT'S REALLY AN AREA OF TOWN WHERE WE JUST DON'T HAVE ONE.
HAD YOU EXPLORED THAT AT ALL? YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD REMAIN AS THE EXISTING GAS STATION IF IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR PROPOSAL HERE.
SO IF IF THE COUNCIL IS A PART OF AN APPROVAL WERE TO PLACE A PERCENTAGE LIMIT OR A PERCENTAGE REQUIREMENT ON THE AMOUNT OF INDOOR SEATED SALES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THAT DRIVE THROUGH SPACE? WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE AND IF SO, WHAT PERCENTAGE? I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A RESTRICTION ON THE RESTAURANT SIZE.
I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO TO KEEP IT AT THAT.
AND HERE'S THE THING, THOUGH THE ISSUE WITH THE RESTAURANT SIZE IS THAT CONCEPTUALLY AND ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, POST-COVID, WHERE WE'VE SEEN RESTAURANTS HAVE TO GO TO ALL DRIVE-THRU MODELS.
IF I'M SITTING IN THE IN THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS RIGHT NOW, I'M BEGINNING TO BRAINSTORM ABOUT WAYS TO GO TO AN ALL DRIVE THRU MODEL IN A SMALLER SPACE LIKE THAT WHERE YOU BASICALLY BECOME A KITCHEN, YOU'RE A KITCHEN AND YOU AND YOU PROCESS ORDERS THROUGH THE WINDOW.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A GREAT MODEL.
AND WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN DONE FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES, YOU KNOW, LITTLE HAMBURGER PLACES THAT'LL DO THAT.
BUT IF THE REQUIREMENT OF AN APPROVAL, THOUGH, WAS TO SAY X PERCENTAGE OF YOUR REVENUES MUST BE SEATED IN IN-HOUSE DINING, I MEAN.
YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK OUR LEASING TEAM IS GOING TO BE VERY HAPPY WITH ME IF WE PROVIDE ADDITIONAL LIMITATION.
SO IS THE ANSWER TO THAT ZERO? I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, THANKS.
THANK YOU, AND RANDY, JUST TO KIND OF GO ON THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD LIKE REGULATING THAT IN A PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE THAT HAS TO COME FROM YOUR SEATS.
I JUST KNOW FROM ALONG WITH THIS PERSPECTIVE, SOME OF OUR OTHER RESTAURANTS, JUST TO GIVE YOU THOSE REVENUES VARY WEEK BY WEEK.
BUT I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE TO BE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A TENANT WHO VERY CLEARLY KNOWS THAT.
YEAH, THIS THIS PERCENTAGE WOULD FAR WOULD FALL FAR BELOW THE APPROVAL.
IT'D HAVE TO BE THAT TYPE OF TENANT.
I'VE NEVER HAD I JUST IN ALL THE STUFF THAT WE'VE DONE IN THAT IN THE PAST, I HAVE NEVER HEARD IT PRESENTED THAT WAY.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON THAT.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER RESTAURANT TENANTS THAT WE DO AND WE PRESENT IN THE PAST, THAT'S A VERY TOUGH THING BECAUSE THEY DO TRY TO TRACK WHERE THEIR INCOME COMES FROM.
AND I DO KNOW, DEPENDING ON SOME OF THEM AND ESPECIALLY IT VARIES BY THE DAY TO DAY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE MORE APT TO GO ON A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY OR SOMETHING TO GO SIT DOWN VERSUS THE WEEK WHENEVER THEY'RE GOING THROUGH BASEBALL PRACTICE OR WHATEVER IT IS.
TOTALLY GET IT, AND THE MOTION WOULDN'T BE ABOUT DAY TO DAY OR WEEK TO WEEK.
AND, I'M QUITE CERTAIN THAT THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT LOOK AT THEIR ANNUAL SALES AND CAN LOOK AT IT AND GO, YEP, THIS IS THE PERCENTAGE OF IN-HOUSE SALES VERSUS THAT'S FINE.
WOULD BE PRESENTED HERE, BUT I KNOW THAT SOME THAT WE USE THAT ARE BIG CORPORATE STUFF, I MEAN, OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS THAT MODEL HAS MOVED IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS.
SO WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE THERE TODAY, IT COULD CHANGE VERY VASTLY.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, COVID CHANGED IN A MATTER OF MONTHS ON WHAT PEOPLE WOULD DO AND IF THEY HAD TO TAKE SO MUCH REVENUE OUT OF THEIR SEATING AND THEN ALL SEATING WAS SHUT DOWN INSIDE, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU COULD RESTRICT A BUSINESS THAT WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THAT ROAD AND I DON'T WANT TO CHASE THE RABBIT HERE.
AGAIN, AN APPROVAL COULD BE BASED ON THE FACT THAT IF THERE EXTENUATING
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CIRCUMSTANCES, SUCH AS A CITYWIDE, COUNTYWIDE, STATEWIDE NATIONAL MANDATE OF A CLOSED FACILITY, THAT THOSE RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE RELAXED.BUT I DON'T WANT TO CHASE THE RABBIT.
I MEAN, I JUST WANT A ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION AS WELL.
I JUST I WAS TRYING TO GIVE SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT, ON WHAT WE'VE DONE.
I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN HERE; I GUESS I SHOULD INTRODUCE MYSELF, CLAY CHRISTY CLAYMOORE ENGINEERING 1903 CENTRAL DRIVE, BEDFORD, TEXAS.
I THINK YOU JUST ANSWERED HIS QUESTION, THOUGH THE CHANGE IS WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT FROM.
THE LAST THING WE WANT IS TO APPROVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT ENDS UP WITH A NINETY NINE PERCENT, YOU KNOW, DRIVE-THRU OPTION THAT WE SIT THERE WITH TRAFFIC AT.
AND THAT'S THE CONCERN IS THAT CHANGE IS OUR PROBLEM AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO JUMP RIGHT INTO THE SIDE PLAN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHERE WE'RE AT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
CLAY, IF YOU CAN SHOW US THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE SAW LAST WEEK AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THE HISTORY REAL FAST AND REAL QUICK.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU HERE TODAY IS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN.
THIS DRIVE CONFIGURATION IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING GAS STATION.
THE ACCESS TO THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IS PRESENTED FOR THE ACCESS POINTS IN THE GAS STATION, WHAT WE HAD.
WHENEVER WE PRESENTED THIS TO P&Z ABOUT A MONTH AGO, IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE ACCESS ONTO WHITE CHAPEL AND IN THE BACKING UP OF THE DRIVE-THRU THERE, IF THERE WAS TO DO THAT, AND SO IT WAS TO BACK UP THERE.
AND SO WE ANALYZED THAT WE CAME UP WITH THIS.
WE CREATED A LITTLE BIT OF A HOOKED OPTION AND WE NARROWED THE DRIVE DOWN WITH THIS.
BUT IT STILL HAD THE 90 DEGREE, THE SECONDARY OPTION THAT WE HAD, AND THAT'S THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, SORRY, THIS IS THE SECONDARY SITE PLAN THAT WE HAD PROVIDED TO YOU GUYS.
AND WHAT THIS OPTION DID WAS CREATE A ONE WAY TRAFFIC TO WHERE CIRCULATION WOULD GO COUNTERCLOCKWISE THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
THE TRAFFIC ENTERING INTO IF IT WAS GOING TO ENTER THE DRIVE-THRU WOULD ENTER THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, CIRCULATE AROUND AND STILL AND THEN ENTER THE DRIVE-THRU.
AND THE DRIVE-THRU WAS A LITTLE MORE ANGLED AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
THIS WAS THE OPTION THAT WAS DISCUSSED SOMEWHAT LINKED BETWEEN THE TWO OF THAT, AND THERE WERE STILL CONCERNS.
WELL, WE'RE STILL CONCERNED THAT IF ONE OR TWO PEOPLE TRY TO COME IN, THAT THEY COULD STILL BACK OUT ONTO WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD AND WE WERE TASKED WITH TRYING TO PROVIDE ANOTHER OPTION THAT COULD REALLY PROVIDE A SECONDARY OPTION AND WHAT WE COULD DO.
AND SO THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY, AND WE HAD TO LOSE A FEW MORE PARKING SPACES.
AND ACTUALLY, I THINK WE LOST MAYBE ONE MORE TREE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO PROTECT.
BUT WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO HERE IS REALLY TO PHYSICALLY CREATE AN OPTION THAT WOULD HAVE THE LEAST IMPACT ON WHITE CHAPEL.
WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS OPTION HERE FROM THE ENTRANCE WHERE CARD NUMBER 12 IS PARKED OUT TO THE ENTRANCE ONTO WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD.
IF YOU WERE TO GO, WE STILL KEEP THE ONE WAY TRAFFIC PATTERN.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO GO THE WRONG WAY DOWN THE ONE WAY PATH, YOU WOULD HAVE OVER TWO HUNDRED FEET, TWO HUNDRED LINEAR FEET FROM THAT ENTRANCE TO THE DRIVE-THRU ENTRANCE.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER 10 STACKED CARS ON TOP OF THE TWELVE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, WHICH THAT STACKING IS TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY FEET WITH, THE 12 STACKS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AT 20 FEET PER CAR, THAT'S TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY FEET.
AND THEN FROM THAT ENTRANCE, IF YOU WERE TO GO BACKWARDS NORTH OUT THROUGH THAT ONE WAY EXIT THAT'S LABELED AS DO NOT ENTER AND BACK OUT TO WHITE CHAPEL, THAT'S ANOTHER TWO HUNDRED FEET, WHICH WOULD GIVE US A TOTAL OF ANOTHER 10 ADDITIONAL CARS.
SO YOU'D HAVE OVER TWENTY TWO CARS TO BACK UP THE WRONG WAY.
WELL, OR BEING THE DRIVE-THRU, 10 OF THEM WOULD BE BACKING UP THE WRONG WAY TO IMPACT THAT.
AGAIN, THAT DID COST US A FEW PARKING SPACES, NOT TOO MANY, WE WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE A FEW RIGHT THERE WHERE THE DRIVE-THRU CONNECTED BACK IN, AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO RECOUP A LITTLE BIT.
THERE, JUST A LITTLE PRIME SPOTS BECAUSE WE HAD SOME FOR THAT RETAIL.
AGAIN, JUST A REMINDER THAT WE DID A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND AT THE HIGHER DRIVE-THRU INTENSITY OF A COFFEE SHOP, WHICH FOR A THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT IS GOING TO BE THE HIGHEST USE FOR STACKING FOR A DRIVE-THRU RESTAURANT.
THAT CAME BACK AT 11 CAR STACKING.
THAT 11 CAR STACKING BASED ON THE TRAFFIC CODE STATES THAT WOULD CAPTURE NINETY FIVE PERCENT OF ALL TRAFFIC THAT'S THERE.
DOES THAT, AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME WITH MS. TALLEY, THAT'S NOT ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
IT'S NOT GUARANTEED TO BE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT IT IS THE CAPACITY THAT WOULD CAPTURE NINETY FIVE PERCENT.
AND AGAIN, IF WE GO THROUGH THE FORM OF TRAFFIC BEFORE IT WAS TO IMPACT THE OTHER DRIVE, WE HAVE ANOTHER COUPLE HUNDRED FEET OF STACKING THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CARS TO BE ABLE TO STACK BACK IN THAT DIRECTION AS WELL SO THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO HOUSE WELL OVER 20 CARS IN THE DRIVE-THRU BEFORE IT WAS BEING IMPACTED BY ANOTHER DRIVE ACCESS DRIVE OR THE EXIT POINT OF THE DRIVE-THRU SO THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE REALLY EITHER
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OR.BUT AGAIN, WE'RE STILL HAVING THAT COUNTERCLOCKWISE CIRCULATION AND REALLY TRYING TO BE CONSIDERATE AND REMOVING THAT CLOSE ACCESS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
I THINK THIS WILL ALSO HELP WITH SOME OF THE GRADES THAT MR. WILLIAMSON AND US, WE HAD DISCUSSED ON THAT, AT LEAST ON THE REDEVELOPMENT SIDE, THE EXISTING PARKING LOT, WHICH STILL REMAINED SIMILAR TO WHAT IT IS, BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT EXTREME GRADE DIFFERENCE AS YOU'RE EXITING FROM THIS SITE.
IT WOULD BE THE DRIVE WHERE WE'RE CONNECTING IS FLATTER AT THIS POINT IN TIME, SO YOU'RE NOT DRIVING OUT ON THAT INCLINE.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP US AS WELL THERE.
BUT WITH THAT, LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO RUN THROUGH.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE'VE COME TODAY, AND THIS IS THE ASSOCIATED LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WE DID HAVE UPDATED FOR THIS OPTION TO BE ABLE TO STILL MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MEET CODE OF WHAT WE HAD.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAD THE TREE MITIGATION, WHICH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT DRIVE DID IMPACT THAT ONE ADDITIONAL TREE KIND OF IN THAT AREA RIGHT THERE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SAVE.
BUT WE STILL TRIED TO HONOR ALL THE OTHER TREE TREES THAT WE COULD.
OK, WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS OR.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLAY RIGHT NOW, GUYS? I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME AS WE DISCUSS.
OK, SO HERE'S HOW I THINK THIS IS SETTING OUT.
AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO SOME DISCUSSION.
AND IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS, WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THEM.
SO FOR ME, THERE'S A THRESHOLD QUESTION HERE.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? OK, THERE'S REALLY A THRESHOLD QUESTION IS AND MAYBE IT'S A TWO PART QUESTION, RIGHT? IT'S DO WE WANT THE SITE TO HAVE A DRIVE-THRU? WE SPENT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME KIND OF WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
HE'S BROUGHT ANOTHER OPTION TO US.
YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY RE-ENGINEER THIS THING ON THE FLY.
AND IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT WITH THE DRIVE-THRU, WE'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, THERE'S GOING TO THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF RISK THAT IN 10 YEARS, IT'S GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT.
AND THERE'S SOME CONCEPT THAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE OR CONTROL FOR THAT COMES IN AND JUST TOTALLY TURNS THIS CORNER TO HELL LIKE WE'RE DEALING WITH IN ANOTHER PART OF TOWN.
SO THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A RISK.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A WAY AROUND THAT OR A WAY TO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THAT.
SO FOR ME, THERE'S A THRESHOLD QUESTION DO WE WANT TO DRIVE-THRU? AND THAT QUESTION ALSO PROBABLY COMES ALONG WITH THE QUESTION DO WE WANT THE SITE TO REDEVELOP? BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS IF THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION DO WE WANT TO DRIVE-THRU IS NO, THEN THAT MEANS THE SITE DOESN'T REDEVELOP, WHICH MAY BE OK.
I MEAN, THAT MAY BE OK WITH SOME FOLKS.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT OUR DISCUSSION, FIRST AND FOREMOST IS ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DRIVE-THRU HERE AT ALL? IF WE ARE, THEN, YOU KNOW, LET'S WORK ON THE SITE PLAN IF WE CAN, BUT IT'S GOING TO COME ALONG WITH SOME RISK, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO I GUESS IN THAT VEIN, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DRIVE-THRU? I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE DRIVE-THRU.
I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE QUESTION, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE DRIVE-THRU.
A QUESTION THAT I'M GOING TO POSE TO THE APPLICANT TO CHEW ON A LITTLE BIT IS IF WE FLIP THE SCRIPT HERE AND PUT IT BACK TO YOU, CLAY AND SAID, IF YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE A DRIVE-THRU NOTING THE CONCERNS WE HAVE, HOW WOULD YOU CRAFT THAT MOTION IN A WAY THAT WOULD RESTRICT IT AND TO A WAY THAT WE'D BE COMFORTABLE, BUT THAT YOU COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR BUSINESS MODEL? YOU MAY HAVE TO GIVE ME A MINUTE ON THAT I MEAN, WE HAVE LISTENED.
NO, I THINK HIS POINT IS THOUGH I WANT IT, BUT YOU'RE HEARING IT ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT MY SENSE THAT I GET HEARING MY COLLEAGUES IS THAT WE'RE WILLING TO PASS ON SOMETHING IF WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE CAN SOMEHOW CONTROL THE LEVEL OF RISK THAT WE HAVE.
AND BY THE WAY, LET ME POINT OUT, I MEAN, THERE'S THINGS HAPPENING THERE LIKE THIS SITS SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF BOTH HIGH SCHOOLS.
IT IS NONSTOP TEENAGERS GOING BACK AND FORTH.
AND GREAT NEWS FOR YOUR BUSINESS MODEL IS IF YOU HAVE AN ATTRACTIVE CLIENT THERE, THOSE KIDS ARE GOING TO POUR IT IN THERE BECAUSE THEY MOVE BETWEEN CAMPUSES DURING THE DAY.
THEY DRIVE TO CAMPUSES, THEY GO FROM FOOTBALL PRACTICE, THEY GO FROM BAND PRACTICE.
THEY ARE MOVING BACK AND FORTH AND THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE FOR A GOOD BUSINESS.
BUT WE COULD GET JUST CRUSHED WITH VOLUME THAT COMES IN IN WAVES WHERE FIRST BLOCK ENDS AND THEY'RE GOING TO SECOND BLOCK AND THEY GOT A 15 MINUTE WINDOW AND THEY ALL PILE IN THERE.
SO WE JUST THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH IS GETTING YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO GET TO.
GETTING YOU YOUR DRIVE-THRU, BUT PROTECTING US FROM A STANDPOINT OF A MAJOR MESS
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THERE EVERY DAY.AND IT MAY BE THAT WE CAN'T GET THERE.
AND IF WE CAN'T, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, WHICH IS THAT THE IDEA FOR THE DRIVE-THRU IS A HIGH VOLUME, BIG TIME MOVER THROUGH THERE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT TO ANSWER THE MAYOR'S QUESTION.
RANDY, I SYMPATHIZE WITH WHERE YOU ARE ON THIS.
I THINK ULTIMATELY YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF LOW VOLUME USE DRIVE-THRU, RIGHT, ULTIMATELY IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO, RIGHT? BUT HERE'S HERE'S WHERE I LAND, AND CLAY, I APPRECIATE THIS WORK YOU'VE DONE HERE.
I THINK YOU'VE ENGINEERED THE HECK OUT OF THIS SPACE.
SO MUCH SO THAT IF MY CALCULATION IS RIGHT, THE MAJORITY OF PATRONS ARE GOING TO WRAP AROUND THE BACK END OF THAT BUILDING THREE TIMES AS THEY COME IN, THEY GO THROUGH AND THEN THEY EXIT.
THAT SHOULD KIND OF TELL US RIGHT THERE AND THEN THAT WE'RE STUFFING A SQUARE PEG INTO A ROUND HOLE.
AND TO ALL THE REASONS THAT RANDY JUST REFERENCED, I CAN'T GET COMFORTABLE WITH A DRIVE-THRU HERE FOR THAT PRINCIPLE.
I MEAN, WE'RE HAVING TO TALK ABOUT TRYING TO COME UP WITH UP TO 12 CARS STACKING.
AND AS I JUST REFERENCED, WE'RE TORNADO-ING AROUND THIS BUILDING THREE TIMES TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE.
TO ME, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, THE VERY FIRST DAY THAT I SEE ALL THOSE CARS STACKED UP AND PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE, I WOULD LITERALLY JUST HANG MY HEAD.
AND I THINK TO MYSELF, I DON'T BELIEVE FOR A MOMENT THAT THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY DON'T WANT TO IMPROVE THAT SITE.
AND NOT THAT I'M CALLING THEIR BLUFF, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO IMPROVE THIS SITE.
WHETHER THERE'S DRIVE-THRU THERE OR NOT, IT MAXIMIZES THEIR ROI.
SHOULD THEY BE ABLE TO PUT A DRIVE-THRU IN THERE? NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
BUT WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO ME IS THE ROI ON OUR COMMUNITY AND NOT PUTTING MORE CONGESTION AND PAIN POINTS ON A HIGH TRAFFIC SENSITIVE AREA THAT'S GOT TOPOGRAPHY ISSUES ALREADY ASSOCIATED WITH IT, PLUS FIRST TIME DRIVERS.
IT'S JUST A COMBINATION FOR A--IT'S A PERFECT STORM, UNFORTUNATELY, IN MY MIND, IF THAT MEANS THERE'S A GAS STATION THERE FOR THE NEXT 20 OR 30 YEARS, SO BE IT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER GAS STATION IN SOUTHLAKE ANYWHERE.
SO FOR US TO PULL ONE OUT, YOU KNOW, I'M OK WITH THAT BEING A GAS STATION FOREVER.
AND I WOULD BET IF I'M NOT ON THIS COUNCIL, FUTURE COUNCILS, WE'LL SEE IF IT IS TO BE A GAS STATION, A REALLY FRESH LOOKING NEW CONCEPT OF A GAS STATION, SHOULD THAT BE WHERE THIS LANDOWNER EVENTUALLY GOES? BUT I AM STUCK NOT BEING ABLE TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH A DRIVE-THRU.
BASED OFF OF THIS ENGINEERING THAT YOU'VE DONE REMARKABLY WELL, THAT'S LITERALLY THE REASON WHY I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD BE A DRIVE-THRU, SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID.
IT JUST REALLY FEELS LIKE A ROUND PEG IN A SQUARE HOLE.
AND I HAVE HUGE SAFETY CONCERNS.
IF YOU RECALL WHEN DAVIS AND 1709 WAS A MUCH MORE POPULAR, HIGHLY TRAFFICKED SPOT WE HAD, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACCIDENTS, BUT ALL KINDS OF ISSUES WITH PEOPLE GOING ACROSS DAVIS TO GET INTO WHAT USED TO BE ALBERTSON'S, WHAT USED TO BE, AND WE'RE WIDENING WHITE CHAPEL.
SO, IF THIS, YOU WOULD HOPE, WOULD BE A POPULAR DESTINATION THAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO COME TO YOU ALSO, I THINK, INCREASED SOME SAFETY CONCERNS WITH PEOPLE COMING IN AND LEAVING AND SO FORTH.
AND I JUST I AGREE, I FEEL LIKE WE ALL WANT TO SEE THIS IMPROVED AND AS I SAID BEFORE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF US WHO LIKE HAVING A GAS STATION OPTION IN THIS AREA OF TOWN.
IT'S CERTAINLY BEEN THERE FOR, I GUESS, 20-25 YEARS.
SO, COULD BE IMPROVED, BUT THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE.
I HAVE HUGE SAFETY CONCERNS OVER THIS.
I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THIS AT ALL, BUT I'M KIND OF CURIOUS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE KEEP TRYING TO FIGHT TO KEEP THIS LITTLE SMALL ONE WAY OPENING UP AT THE TOP.
WHY YOU DON'T JUST MOVE THE BUILDING OVER AND MAKE THE DRIVE-THRU JUST TWO SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
LIKE HE SAYS, YOU'RE TORNADO-ING THIS BUILDING WITH DRIVE-THRU.
IF YOU PULL IN, GO UP AND EXIT AT THE TOP UP HERE.
I MEAN, BUT I'M NO ENGINEER, SO.
I THINK THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE ENJOYABLE.
LIKE, I THINK IF YOU MOVE THE BUILDING OVER AND TAKE ALL THE PARKING OUT ON THE RIGHT AND MAKE THE DRIVE-THRU BASICALLY PARALLEL TO WHITE CHAPEL AND THEN EXIT RIGHT ON TOP OF THAT, IT DOESN'T CIRCLE THE ENTIRE BUILDING THREE TIMES AND THEY CAN EXIT QUICKLY EITHER UP, THEY CAN GO UP THROUGH TO WHITE CHAPEL OR THEY CAN GO BACK TO 1709, AND THEY
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GET THEIR PARKING.YOU GET YOUR OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.
DID YOU EXPLORE ANY PLANS LIKE THAT? WELL, FIRST OFF, EVERYBODY KEEPS SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO CIRCLE THIS BUILDING THREE TIMES.
LET'S PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE ENTERING THE SITE IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN LIKELY ENTERING OFF OF 1709.
THAT'S OUR BIG, BUSIEST TRAFFIC, SO YOU WON'T BE CIRCLING IT THREE TIMES.
I SAID THREE SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
YOU'RE STILL CIRCLING THREE SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
WELL, IF YOU GO THROUGH A DRIVE-THRU, THAT'S HOW YOU DO, LIKE WHENEVER WE DO OUR QSRS, OUR DRIVE-THRU, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU CIRCULATE THAT DOWN TO A ONE WAY CIRCULATION TO OPTIMIZE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE SITE.
IF YOU LOOK AT FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT REALLY HAVE TO WHICH, YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZE THE EFFICIENCY AND CIRCULATION OF A SITE, YOU ACTUALLY WOULD INTENTIONALLY DO THAT FROM A CIRCULATION STANDPOINT.
I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE SAYING YOU'D SLIDE EVERYTHING OVER, PUT ALL THE PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE AND THEN YOU'D HAVE JUST THE DRIVE-THRU.
THE PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH THAT IS THAT WE DO HAVE A LIMITATION ON THE RESTAURANT IN THIS BUILDING.
SO THEN YOU HAVE THE RETAIL JUST ON THAT SIDE FACING A DRIVE-THRU WITH NO PARKING.
I MEAN, YOU MIGHT GET TWO OR THREE PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF IT, WHICH WOULD REALLY KILL THE VIABILITY OF THE RETAIL ASPECT OF IT.
SO KEEPING THE PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE RIGHT THERE, A LONG WHITE CHAPEL IS REALLY KEEPING THE VIABILITY OF THAT RETAIL SPACE THAT WE DO HAVE ON THAT EASTERN SIDE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE DRIVE-THRU COMES AND PICKS UP, THIS IS NOT A 4500 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT; IT IS A TWO TENANT BUILDING.
SO WHENEVER YOU SAY, MR. HUFFMAN, MS. ROBINSON, I SEE THAT IDEA OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THE REASON WHY WE DID NOT PURSUE THAT OPTION IS BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THAT VIABLE FOR THAT CORNER, FOR THE RETAIL SPACE THAT IS JUST ON WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING OF WHERE WE HAVE NOW AS FAR AS CIRCULATING THAT AROUND.
AGAIN, YOU DO CIRCULATE AROUND THE BUILDING.
IF YOU'RE COMING IN OFF 1709, YOU'RE GOING TO CIRCULATE AROUND THE BUILDING ONCE.
BUT PRETTY MUCH IF YOU GO THROUGH JUST ABOUT ANY DRIVE-THRU, WHETHER IT BE A BIG DRIVE-THRU, SMALL DRIVE-THRU, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP MAKING THAT PATH AROUND IT FROM A, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO THERE.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO WIND UP, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF THE CIRCULATION AROUND IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'LL MAKE THREE FULL LOOPS NOW.
IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY COULD DO THAT? ABSOLUTELY, MR. PATTON.
THEY COULD COME IN OFF WHITE CHAPEL, GO LOOP AROUND, GO THROUGH THE DRIVE-THRU.
IT IS A TWO WAY DRIVE DOWN THERE AT THE EXIT OF THE DRIVE-THRU TO WHERE THEY COULD TURN AND GET BACK OUT.
BUT THEY COULD STILL LOOP BACK AROUND AND GO TO TOM THUMB AND THEN COME BACK AROUND.
I MEAN, THAT IS AN OPTION, THAT IS HOW THAT COULD WORK.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN, BUT WE'VE TRIED TO OPTIMIZE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE TRAFFIC AS MUCH AS WE CAN ON THAT.
SO THAT JUST BROUGHT UP A WHOLE ANOTHER THING THAT I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF.
SO ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU'VE GOT THE PARKING AND TO COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS' POINT LIKE, HEY, WHY DON'T WE JUST THINK--SO IF I UNDERSTANDING YOU RIGHT, THE RETAIL SPACE IS PLANNED ON THE EAST SIDE AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE CARS ENTERING A DRIVE-THRU, MOSTLY TEENAGERS, ACTUALLY, PROBABLY.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE PARKING IN THOSE SPOTS ALONG WHITE CHAPEL AND WALKING THROUGH THE DRIVE-THRU LINE TO GET TO THE RETAIL? WELL, THE DRIVE-THRU IS MAJORITY CONTAINED OUTSIDE OF THAT.
BUT FOR ANY DRIVE-THRU, I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE AGAIN, IF YOU GO TO A DRIVE-THRU RESTAURANT, YOU GO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT IS NOT AN UNCOMMON OCCURRENCE IN A DRIVE-THRU SITUATION OR THAT WHENEVER YOU HAVE IT, I MEAN, THE MAJORITY OF ALL THE STACKING, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND--I DISAGREE, I'VE NEVER WALKED THROUGH A DRIVE-THRU LINE TO GET INTO A RETAIL SHOP.
I MEAN, AM I MISSING SOMETHING? YEAH, I AGREE.
AND TWO PLACES THAT I THOUGHT OF WITH THIS IS THE COFFEE SHOP ON NOLAN.
WHEN YOU LEAVE THAT COFFEE SHOP, YOU GENERALLY YOU EXIT TO THE RIGHT.
IF YOU'RE IN THE DRIVE-THRU, YOU EXIT TO THE RIGHT AND LEAVE.
YOU DON'T TURN LEFT ACROSS THE PARKING.
THE SAME WITH THE RESTAURANT ON THE CORNER OF KIMBALL AND 1709.
WHEN YOU EXIT, YOU EXIT INTO A MAIN THOROUGHFARE.
YOU DON'T EXIT BACK ACROSS WHERE PEOPLE ARE--WELL, IT'S NOT OPEN ON THE INSIDE RIGHT NOW, BUT NORMALLY WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKED AND CAN GO IN AND OUT.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT A DRIVE-THRU LIKE A DRIVE-THRU RESTAURANT, NOT NECESSARILY THE RETAIL, BUT THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'VE KEPT THAT OVER THERE, IS FOR THAT.
THAT'S WHY I ORIGINALLY, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO IT AND WE'VE MADE THAT, ORIGINALLY OPTION ONE THAT WE HAD HERE, THAT'S WHY IT WAS OUR PREFERRED BECAUSE THAT OPTIMIZED OUR RETAIL.
THIS OPTION IS WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO DO OR EVEN THIS OPTION HERE.
THIS ONE HERE THAT PROPOSED THESE OPTIONS HERE REALLY OPTIMIZE US IN THE RETAIL.
BUT WHENEVER WE GOT AS MUCH FEEDBACK AND CONCERN FROM EVERYBODY REGARDING THE ACCESS, PARTICULARLY ON THE WHITE CHAPEL, WE HAD TO GET CREATIVE ON HOW WE COULD AVOID THAT.
AND THEN AND THEN WE WENT THERE.
I KEEP HEARING, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE IN BETWEEN SCHOOLS AND WE'RE IN BETWEEN
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THAT.I MEAN, YES, WE WANT THIS TO BE POPULAR; YES, WE WANT TO HAVE THAT, BUT AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE IT, I MEAN, IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE BASING TRAFFIC BETWEEN ESSENTIALLY PEYTONVILLE AND WHITE CHAPEL, THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN BETWEEN THERE THAT ARE WHERE YOUNG DRIVERS GO AND DRIVE ALL THE TIME.
SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT'S NOT OUR TARGET, BUT TO SAY THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THAT.
I MEAN THAT IMPACTS THAT WHOLE 1709 FROM PEYTONVILLE, THE SENIOR HIGH ALL THE WAY UP WHITE CHAPEL.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER LOSING THE RETAIL SIDE AND REDESIGNING THE SITE PLAN ONLY AROUND THAT TWENTY ONE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT? IS THAT VIABLE? THAT'S GOING TO PUT A LOT OF EXPENSE ON TWENTY ONE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.
I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO TALK TO, OBVIOUSLY THAT WE WERE I MEAN, WE'VE GONE THROUGH WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS IN THE WAY THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT ALL.
MY ASSUMPTION WOULD PROBABLY BE NO.
JUST DOING THE MATH ON WHERE THAT WAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE KIND OF THAT TWO PART COMPONENT TO IT OF A SPLIT TYPE UNIT THERE VERSUS JUST A SMALL.
I MEAN, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE HAVING TO PIGEON YOURSELF INTO A HIGH VOLUME TYPE STUFF THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET TO LIKE A A SMALLER GROUP, A SMALLER DEAL.
YOU'D REALLY BE PUSHING THAT TO BE A HIGH INTENSITY DRIVE-THRU.
IN NEXT TO A DRIVE-THRU RESTAURANT LIKE CONNECTED TO A DRIVE-THRU RESTAURANT CONNECTED TO A TACO PLACE OR--MOST OF THE TIME WHENEVER YOU HAVE A STRIP RETAIL AT AN END CAP, AT ALMOST EVERY ONE OF MY LIKE STRIP RETAIL GUYS, THEY WANT AN END CAP THERE.
I MEAN, AND THAT'S NOT JUST HERE IN SOUTHLAKE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT I MEAN, WE'VE GOT STRIP RETAILS, THEY ALWAYS AND PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.
BUT YOU KNOW, IN OTHER PLACES, THEY WANT THAT END CAP.
THEY WANT THE DONUT SHOP, THEY WANT THE COFFEE SHOP, THEY WANT THE LAUNDROMAT AT THE END, THEY WANT ALL OF THAT.
THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, WE DID LIKE FOUR OR FIVE OF THE LITTLE TROPICAL SMOOTHIE PLACES DEALS THAT THEY GO ON THE END CAP.
I MEAN, AT THE END CAP OF A LOT OF THOSE RETAIL SPACES, WHENEVER WE GO THROUGH AND REDEVELOP THOSE AREAS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN NEW ONES, IT'S CRITICAL ON THOSE END CAPS FOR THOSE STRIP RETAILS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A DRIVE-THRU AND IS DESIRED.
I GUESS THE STARBUCKS ON NOLAN IS A SIMILAR SITUATION--BUT THERE'S NO RETAIL.
COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS, I ACTUALLY ASKED THAT QUESTION, SO I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE OWNER OF THE COMPLEX TOLD ME, AND HE SAID, WE WANT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN'T BUY ONLINE, LIKE A NAIL SALON, A HAIR SALON, A SERVICE BASED BUSINESS.
WELL, I MEAN, ON NOLAN, I THINK ATTACHED TO THAT STARBUCKS, THERE'S LIKE HAWAIIAN NAIL, RIGHT? RIGHT? YEAH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THEM.
NOW, THE SHAPE OF THIS DRIVE-THRU IS A LITTLE UNCOMMON BECAUSE WE HAVE ADDED SO MUCH.
MOST OF THE STRIP RETAILS WE DO DON'T HAVE TWELVE STACKS IN IT TO WRAP AROUND THE BUILDING.
SO, LET ME GO BACK TO, I THINK, WHAT IS STILL THE THRESHOLD QUESTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER TORRES, WHAT IS YOUR COMFORT LEVEL WITH A DRIVE-THRU CONCEPTUALLY HERE? I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS CONCEPT.
I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE DRIVE-THRU, GIVEN THE RIGHT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES, GIVEN THE RIGHT PLANS, GIVEN THE RIGHT EVERYTHING.
YEAH, BUT JUST NOT THIS ONE? I JUST STILL CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND I'M GOING TO GO TO THE NAIL SALON AND I'M GOING TO PARK A LONG WHITE CHAPEL AND WALK THROUGH THE DRIVE-THRU LINE THAT'S WRAPPING AROUND THE BUILDING.
AND IF IT'S A LET'S SAY, IT'S AN ICE CREAM SHOP AND IT'S THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON AND THERE'S TWENTY FIVE 16 YEAR-OLDS PLOWING THROUGH, AND I HAVE TO WALK ACROSS THE PARKING LOT THROUGH THE 16 YEAR-OLD DRIVERS TO GET TO MY NAIL SALON.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T LIKE IT RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX IT EITHER.
COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I GUESS I'M SOMEWHAT IN MIDDLE OF THIS ONE? SO TO ANSWER COUNCILMAN WILLIAMSON'S QUESTION, OR I GUESS IT WAS YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR HUFFMAN, COULD I GET COMFORTABLE WITH DRIVE-THRU? YES, FOR THE RIGHT DRIVE-THRU.
YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT AND WE ALL PASS THIS AREA, ME TWICE A DAY, MANY MORE THAN THAT.
BUT IF YOU IMAGINE SOMEBODY ENTERING ON WHITE CHAPEL, FOR EXAMPLE, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO GO BEHIND THE PLACE, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU'RE BASICALLY CUTTING AN OPENING RIGHT THERE FOR THEM TO TURN RIGHT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END WHERE THE OLD STARBUCKS WAS.
ISN'T THIS AN OPENING THERE WHERE THEY YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR HAND ON IT--I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY [INAUDIBLE].
SO IF THEY'RE COMING UP WHITE CHAPEL, THEY TURN IN RIGHT THERE AND THEY TURN DOWN THAT MAIN DRIVE AND--THEN TAKE A LEFT AROUND THE BUILDING, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO AND THAT'S CURRENTLY WHERE THE CAR WASH IS, ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE CAR WASH IS RIGHT NOW--CAR WASH IS GOING TO BE GONE, RIGHT? YES.
SO IF THEY TURN RIGHT THERE, THAT'S LESS TO ME OF A STACKING ISSUE AND THEY WRAP
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AROUND THE BUILDING, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GOING EAST OR WEST ON 1709, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY DOABLE.I THINK IT'S PROBLEMATIC FOR ANYBODY TRYING TO GET OUT OF THAT PLAZA AND GO BACK ON NORTH AND WHITE CHAPEL UNLESS YOU'RE CLOSER TOM THUMB.
SO, I GUESS MY ANSWER IS A LONG WINDED YES, I COULD GET COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT I'D HAVE TO BE ASSURED THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO RUN INTO THE SAME SITUATION THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO IN OTHER PARTS--WELL, I THINK THAT'S AN UNREALISTIC EXPECTATION, RESPECTFULLY, BECAUSE WHAT I MEAN, IF WE PASS THE DRIVE-THRU, THERE'S JUST GOING TO BE RISK, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS OR ONE YEAR, AND THAT'S WHY I KIND OF ASKED THE QUESTION THAT WAY IS IF WE'RE OK WITH THE DRIVE-THRU, YOU'VE GOT TO BE OK WITH A CERTAIN LEVEL OF RISK THAT SOME CONCEPTS ARE GOING TO COME IN AND THINGS ARE GOING TO GO HAYWIRE.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT PRESUMING THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED IT THAT WAY.
BUT WHEN YOU HEAR OUR FEEDBACK, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCOMFORT WITH THIS SITE PLAN.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS JUST IN LOVE WITH THE WAY THIS IS BEING ENVISIONED.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY UP HERE, I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE SUGGESTIONS.
I CAN'T RE-ENGINEER THIS ON THE FLY.
I MEAN, IF WE HAVE OVER, WE'RE, EITHER WAY, WE'VE GOT OVER 20 CARS PLUS STACKED ON THE SITE.
I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT AS GOOD AS YOU CAN DO HERE, GUYS.
I MEAN, JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU, I MEAN, WE'VE COME, WE'VE GIVEN OPTIONS, WE'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK, WE'VE PRESENTED OPTIONS AGAIN.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, ACTUALLY.
YOU HAVE, I THINK WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO MORE IS IS CAN THE COUNCIL GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE DRIVE-THRU THAT HAS 20 CARS? THAT'S REALLY WHAT I MEAN.
AND JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW THERE'S NO OTHER CITY THAT I'VE WORKED IN THAT WOULD REQUIRE MORE THAN 20 CARS.
I WOULDN'T REQUIRE MORE THAN 20.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE REAL QUESTION HERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I SUPPORT A DRIVE-THRU, I TOLD YOU I SUPPORT IT.
THE QUESTION HERE IS DO I SUPPORT A DRIVE-THRU THAT WOULD NEED STACKING FOR 20 POTENTIALLY.
AND MY VIBE ON THIS IS YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR THIS TO BE A BIG VOLUME SUCCESSFUL CORNER, WHICH I DON'T BLAME YOU.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE DOING IF I'M IN YOUR SHOES.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TENABLE, IF IT WORKS FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE YOU'RE COMING AT A REALLY TOUGH TIME.
YOU'RE COMING AT A POST PANDEMIC WHERE WE'VE SEEN RESTAURANTS SHUTTING DOWN AND GOING PURE DRIVE-THRU, AND WE HAVE TO PUT DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY SIGNS ON A STATE HIGHWAY SAYING, DON'T STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IT HAS ITS OWN SET OF PROBLEMS IF IT'S A HIGH VOLUME-- YOU'RE ALSO HOLDING US TO AN ISSUE OF A FOUR THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT.
AND I MEAN, I GET YOU, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I KNOW EVERYTHING, I LIVE THERE; I DRIVE DOWN THAT STREET.
YEAH, HE'S JUST DESCRIBING THE ENVIRONMENT.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, YOU HAVE A SEAT, LET US DISCUSS FOR A LITTLE BIT AND THEN IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP BECAUSE I MEAN, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AT PLAY, COUNCIL.
SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS SO YOU'RE GOOD FOR NOW.
THIS SITE PLAN IS NOT GOING TO BE PERFECT, NO SITE PLAN IS.
WE'VE CHEWED ON THIS FOR A WHILE.
I THINK MR. CHRISTY AS YOU GUYS HAVE ALL POINTED OUT, HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB MAXIMIZING AND RESPONDING TO QUESTIONS AND RESPONDING TO FEEDBACK.
YOU KNOW, A DRIVE-THRU IS WHAT IT IS.
I THINK, REALLY, THE DECISION AT THIS POINT IS ARE WE COMFORTABLE TAKING TAKING THAT RISK AND MOVING FORWARD ON FIRST READING.
IF THERE'S SUGGESTIONS WE CAN MAKE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, LET'S MAKE THEM.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PERFECT PLAN.
WE COULD MASSAGE THIS FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, AND WE'RE STILL NOT GOING TO BE COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE RISK BECAUSE THERE IS.
MY PERSPECTIVE IS THIS SEEMS LIKE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO REDEVELOP THIS HARD CORNER.
I MEAN, YEAH, IT WOULD BE CRAZY TO WATCH THE HIGH SCHOOLERS PILE INTO A BRAND NEW FAST FOOD CONCEPT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY GOOD DRIVE-THRU CONCEPTS IN TOWN.
I MEAN, TO HAVE ONE IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN WOULD BE REALLY COOL.
AS MUCH AS I LOVE HERMANOS BREAKFAST BURRITOS, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOSE THEM, BUT WE GAIN SO MUCH MORE, I THINK.
SO I'M COMFORTABLE KIND OF PROCEEDING, ESPECIALLY ON FIRST READING.
I CAN VOTE TO PASS ON FIRST READING, BUT I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO REFER BACK TO THE QUESTION I ASKED.
WHERE'D CLAY GO? YEAH, THE QUESTION I ASKED, WHICH IS YOU'LL HAVE TWO WEEKS IF IT PASSES TO SAY, SIT IN OUR SHOES AND COME UP WITH THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD MAKE US COMFORTABLE, BUT
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ALSO WILL FIT YOUR BUSINESS MODEL.AND IT MAY BE THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE BECAUSE IF YOUR MODEL IS FOR BIG TIME VOLUME ROLLING THROUGH THERE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE DURING OPENING HOURS, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO WORK AS FAR AS FINDING A MIDDLE GROUND.
BUT SO I WOULD APPROVE IT ON THAT, HOPING THAT YOU WOULD COME BACK.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING.
I SUPPORT THE RENOVATION, THE DRIVE-THRU.
I SUPPORT EVERYTHING YOU'RE ASKING FOR WITH SOME DEGREE OF SECURITY THAT WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO GET POUNDED [INAUDIBLE] FROM NOW, FROM RESIDENTS GOING, YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS.
I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU APPROVED A BLANK ON THE CORNER OF WHITE CHAPEL AND 1709 AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, RUINED MY SHOPPING EXPERIENCE, MY TOM THUMB, WHATEVER THAT IS, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC IS CRAZY, WHATEVER THAT IS.
I THINK AT THE HEART OF THIS, IT'S GOOD TO REMEMBER THAT THE PERSON WITH THE MOST INCENTIVE TO MAKE THIS RIGHT IS THE OWNER IS THE LANDOWNER, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY DON'T WANT TO SCREW THIS UP.
THEY DON'T WANT TO RUIN THE TOM THUMB EXPERIENCE OR RUIN THE EXPERIENCE FOR OTHER TENANTS.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE THE STRONGEST, THE MOST POWERFUL INCENTIVES HERE TO GET IT RIGHT.
AND I GUESS I'M NOT SAYING WE BLINDLY TRUST.
I THINK WE'VE PUT THIS THROUGH ITS PACES, AT LEAST ENOUGH FOR FIRST READING.
I DO THINK YOUR POINT IS A GOOD ONE, THOUGH.
I MEAN, WE'RE ALMOST ASKING THE APPLICANT HELP US HELP YOU LIKE GIVE US SOME--WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW, SO HELP US RESTRICT THIS IN A WAY TO GET US COMFORTABLE.
SO ANYWAY, WHAT ARE THE REST OF YOUR THOUGHTS? I'LL JUST SAY AGAIN THAT I THINK THIS HAS BEEN ENGINEERED TO THE MAXIMUM.
I RESPECT CLAY'S EFFORTS AND ATTEMPTS, AND I THINK WE'RE SETTING UP FOR A COMPLETE DISASTER WITH THE DRIVE-THRU HERE AND IN ORDER TO CREATE A 12 OR 20 CAR STACKING SCENARIO TO ACCOMMODATE THE CHAOS THAT WILL ENSUE IF THIS HAS ANY TYPE OF SUCCESS, I THINK IT'S SHORTSIGHTED TO BELIEVE THAT THE LANDOWNER WOULDN'T BE AFFECTING OTHER BUSINESSES THAT THEY HAVE LEASE AGREEMENTS WITH THERE.
THEY'LL CERTAINLY POTENTIALLY CANNIBALIZE BUSINESS BECAUSE FOLKS WILL NOT WANT TO GO IN AND AROUND THERE.
AND THAT IS MY CONCERN, AND I I CAN'T GET AROUND IT.
AND SO I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS APPLICATION.
I DON'T SEE WHY WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT--I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN GET THERE.
I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I KNOW, BUT THE REASON I THINK IT'S WORTH CONTINUING ON IS BECAUSE, NOTWITHSTANDING, THERE'S SOME RESIDENTS THAT LIKE THE GAS STATION THERE.
HECK, I USE THAT GAS STATION ALL THE TIME.
I AGREE IT'S CONVENIENT, BUT THIS IS A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY ESTHETICALLY IMPROVE A MAJOR INTERSECTION IN OUR CITY.
AND I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO SQUEEZE THAT TURN UP TO MAKE IT HAPPEN WITHOUT TAKING ON UNLIMITED RISK OF A DRIVE-THRU.
AND THAT'S WHY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A DRIVE-THRU, FOR THAT REASON.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A NICE FACE LIFT ON THIS CORNER, BUT NOT AT THE DETRIMENT OF THE CHAOS THAT COULD COME WITH THIS.
AND WE ALL KNOW THE CHALLENGES ON THIS CORNER AND WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A MUCH WIDER ROAD, WHICH IS GOING TO ACCESS 114 RIGHT HERE.
IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET BUSIER.
AND FOR THAT REASON, I JUST CAN'T GET COMFORTABLE.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE, YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT FRESHENED UP.
NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, BUT I'M PREPARED TO DENY.
YEAH, I'M TOTALLY IN LINE WITH CHAD AT THIS POINT.
I THINK THAT I HONESTLY, I'D RATHER SEE THIS BE A REAL CUTTING EDGE, PROGRESSIVE KIND OF COOL HIP GAS STATION THAN A DRIVE-THRU.
I MEAN, IF THEY LEAVE IT LIKE THIS, FINE, PEOPLE CAN STILL GET THEIR GAS THERE.
WE CAN STILL GET OUR BURRITOS THERE.
IT'S A PROGRESSIVE GAS STATION.
WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? JUST SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING.
BACK IN THE DAY, MY GRANDMA WOULD PULL UP AND SOME GUY WOULD COME OUT AND WASH HER WINDOWS AND SHE'D JUST SIT IN HER CAR AND DO HER LIPSTICK.
HOLD ON, WE'VE GONE OFF THE RAILS.
SO, I'M OUT ON THE DRIVE-THRU.
YEAH, I CONCUR WITH COUNCIL MEMBER PATTON AND COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS.
I JUST CAN'T GET AROUND THE RISK, THE SAFETY ISSUES.
AS WHITE CHAPEL BECOMES FULLY WIDENED, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HUGE INFLUX OF SOPHOMORE DRIVERS COMING DOWN THE ROAD, WHICH I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO COME FROM ALL DIRECTIONS ANYWAY, BUT THE STACKING, ALL OF IT, I JUST I FEEL LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO FORCE SOMETHING INTO THIS CORNER THAT DOESN'T BELONG.
AND I, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS CORNER RENOVATED, UPDATED.
AND I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE WAYS TO DO THAT.
AND I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE DRIVE-THRU.
I SELDOM USE THIS GAS STATION.
YOU KNOW, I SAID, AND I STAND BY, COULD I GET MY HEAD AROUND A DRIVE-THRU? I HAVEN'T GOTTEN MY HEAD AROUND TO THIS POINT ON THIS LOCATION, AND I'D LIKE TO
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THINK OR WHERE I AM NOW IS IF IT WAS AN OPTION THAT I THOUGHT WAS TENABLE, I WOULD HAVE SEEN IT BY NOW.I JUST THINK WE'RE JUST, AGAIN, I KNOW I SAID THIS LAST WEEK, WE'RE JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
I'M JUST NOT OPTIMISTIC THAT THIS THING IS GOING TO IMPROVE IN TWO WEEKS OR TWO MONTHS.
I JUST THINK IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR THIS COUNCIL TO GET BEYOND WHERE WE ARE NOW.
YEAH, MY [INAUDIBLE] COMMENT IS THE LANDOWNER HAS AS STRONG AS INCENTIVE AS WE DO TO GET THIS RIGHT.
I'M STILL IN THE SAME SPOT I WAS FIVE MINUTES AGO, AND I'M MUCH LIKE MY COLLEAGUE HERE TO MY RIGHT.
I WANT TO BELIEVE I CAN GET THERE WITH A DRIVE-THRU, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN, ESPECIALLY WITH THE FACT THAT BUSINESSES ARE FIGURING OUT HOW TO SHUT DOWN AND CREATE A SUPER LUCRATIVE, SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS VIA DRIVE-THRU.
I MEAN, IT IS WHERE THINGS ARE GOING.
BUT I WANT TO FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF 16 YEAR-OLDS AND A BUNCH OF CHAOS AND 50--I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT 13 CARS.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT 20 CARS.
BUT WHAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT IS 20 CARS LINED UP WHITE CHAPEL, 20 MORE LINED UP SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.
AND WE LOOK BACK IN FIVE YEARS AND GO, OH MY GOD, WHAT HAVE WE DONE? SO I THINK I CAN GET COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT I'M NOT THERE TONIGHT.
SO WE CAN GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ON FIRST READING AND BET ON THE [INAUDIBLE] AND HOPE HE COMES BACK WITH A PLAN THAT GETS YOU ALL COMFORTABLE, OR WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO DENY WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE MOST COMFORTABLE WITH.
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE SET UP.
IF IT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE, WHAT OPTION IS IT? I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPTION THREE, BUT--IS IT OPTION C, KEN? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE? OPTION THREE, RIGHT? WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTION--THE THIRD VERSION, SO.
YEAH, KEN, OPTION THREE IS WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US.
YEAH, IT'S THREE ON THE PRESENTATION, RIGHT? OK.
ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? I'M READY FOR A MOTION.
AND YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A MOTION AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.
OK, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 7B ORDINANCE DECEMBER 480-787 ZA21-0059 FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR A PHILLIPS EDISON DEVELOPMENT A PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOTS 2R-1 AND 4R LBG HALL NUMBER 686 AN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 100 AND 110 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD 7 CURRENT ZONING'S S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 14, 2021 AND THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER FOUR DATED SEPTEMBER 14, 2021, NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING OPTION THREE AS PRESENTED TONIGHT.
AND KEN, ARE WE REVISING THE REVISING THE FLOOR TO SQUARE FOOTAGE OR NOT BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE? YES, SIR.
THE OPTION THREE MODIFIED THE SP REGULATIONS FOR MAXIMUM OF TWENTY ONE SQUARE FEET.
SO, NOTING THAT WE'RE ALSO MODIFYING SP REGULATIONS TO LIMIT THE RESTAURANT FLOOR AREA A LOT 4R TO TWO THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET AND I MEAN, NOTING THAT COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED THE APPLICANT TO IF THIS PASSES TO GIVE CONSIDERATION TO WHAT OPTIONS WITH REGARDS TO A DRIVE-THRU BUSINESS WOULD POTENTIALLY BE PALATABLE TO THE COUNCIL BASED UPON THE CONCERNS RAISED.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
SO, KEN, IS THERE AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY OR PROCEDURALLY, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? IT'S BASICALLY IN LIMBO.
YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THAT YOU HAVE THAT OPTION.
I MEAN NOTHING'S BEEN APPROVED AT THIS POINT.
IF WE LET IT STAND, THEN THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO REWORK IT AND BRING IT BACK AT A LATER POINT? THEN YOU WOULD NEED A TABLE THE ITEM.
SO MAKE MOTION TO DENY, DOES THAT TRIGGER THE ONE YEAR LOCKOUT? A MOTION TO DENY, IF THEY MODIFY THE PLAN IN ANY WAY, THEY CAN COME BACK IMMEDIATELY, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MODIFY THE PLAN THAT YOU-- OK, SO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO NOT
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DISPOSE OF THE ITEM.OR YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE.
THEN WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER MOTION, THEN.
WELL, WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER MOTION IF THERE IS ONE.
ALL RIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE DENY ITEM NUMBER SEVEN BE OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-787 OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE ZA21-0059, WHICH IS THE FIRST READING, ZONING, CHANGE AND CONCEPT SITE PLAN FOR PHILLIPS EDISON DEVELOPMENT, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 14TH 2021 AND THE CONCEPT SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER FOUR DATED SEPTEMBER 14, 2021.
CAN I GET SOME CLARITY ON WHAT THE DENIAL WILL MEAN FOR THE APPLICANT AS FAR AS TIMELINES, PLEASE? SURE, DIRECTOR BAKER.
YES, SIR, A DENIAL WILL, TYPICALLY YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT A PERIOD OF TIME TO COME BACK.
THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME BACK IMMEDIATELY, IF THEY MODIFIED THE PLAN.
THE THRESHOLD IS PRETTY LOW, SO IF THEY MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS, THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO IMMEDIATELY COME BACK.
I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY WOULD WE NOT TABLE THIS INDEFINITELY TO ALLOW, I MEAN, ALLOW KIND OF THINGS TO COOL OFF A LITTLE BIT FROM THIS CONVERSATION.
AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T I'D HATE FOR THE APPLICANT TO WAKE UP TOMORROW MORNING OR SOMEBODY WHO'S WATCHING THIS THAT HAS AN INTEREST IN THIS CASE, GO, HEY, TIME OUT, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING.
THE APPLICANT TOLD US THAT IF THEY CAN'T HAVE A DRIVE-THRU UNDERSTAND, THEN THEY HAD NO REASON TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND THEN THEY ALSO SAID THAT THEY WOULD JUST KEEP IT AS A GAS STATION, AND THE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THAT AND NOTED THAT THEY ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE DRIVE-THRU AT THIS POINT, SO TABLING IT WOULD SERVE NO PURPOSE.
HOWEVER, YEAH, I MEAN, IF THE APPLICANT CAME BACK WITH A MEANINGFUL CHANGE THAT DID NOT INCLUDE A DRIVE-THRU, I ASSUME WE COULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT AGAIN.
AND IF I THINK I HEARD THINGS RIGHT, THERE'S FOUR OF US WHO WE COULD WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND AND DRIVE-THRU.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I THINK A TABLE IS A GREAT OPTION AT THIS POINT.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT HAS TO BE DIFFERENT THAN THIS.
SO IF IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THIS, YOU CAN BRING IT BACK IMMEDIATELY.
SO THERE'S FUNCTIONALLY NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TABLING AND DENIAL.
YOU HAVE TO RE-UP, THE APPLICATION FEES AND ALL THAT YEAH.
YOU'VE GOT TO PAY THE APPLICATION FEE AND NUMBER TWO, THEY'D HAVE TO START OVER AT P&Z.
SO THERE IS A FUNCTIONAL DIFFERENCE.
BUT I THINK THE TIME TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME WOULD BE TO APPROVE IT ON FIRST READING AND MOVE IT ON TO SECOND READING.
IF WE DIDN'T LIKE SECOND READING, WE COULD TABLE IT THEN, BUT THE MOTION TO APPROVE FOR FIRST READING JUST FAILED 5-2.
SO I MEAN, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO DENY WE CAN DO A MOTION TO TABLE, BUT I MEAN, HANG ON JUST FOR A MINUTE.
SO BASED ON THE KNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATION, TO YOUR POINT, I BELIEVE THERE WERE FOUR PEOPLE WHO SAID I COULD GET THERE, POSSIBLY.
SO BASED ON THE FACT NOW THAT YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING THE DENIAL AND THE IMPACT THAT HAS ON THE APPLICATION, IS THERE A DESIRE FOR ME TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER? RECONSIDER OR TABLE? TO RECONSIDER, I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER OUR PREVIOUS VOTE.
CAN WE GO BACK IN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR FIVE MINUTES, PLEASE? OK.
SO, WHERE'S LITTLE SHEET? LET'S ALL GET ON THE SAME PAGE HERE, AS AMY KNOCKS OVER MY PENS.
AMY! [CHUCKLING] AS MAYOR, I HEREBY ADVISE YOU THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND 551.087 TO DELIBERATE REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS.
OK, WITH THAT, I WILL RECONVENE THE REGULAR SESSION.
WE HAVE A LIVE MOTION ON THE TABLE.
THAT'S A SECOND FOR THE MOTION TO DENY AND PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
CAN WE OPEN THE VOTING AGAIN, PLEASE? THE MOTION TO DENY, I SAID THAT.
YES, YES IS A DENIAL OF THE PROJECT.
THE MOTION TO DENY PASSES 4-3, SO THE ITEM IS DENIED.
OK, WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 7D ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-657F
[7.D. Ordinance No. 480-657F, (ZA21-0070), 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Concept/Site Plan for Kimball Park on property described as Lots 1, 2R, and 3-6, Kimball Park, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 2102-2116 E. State Hwy. 114, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. Proposed Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #4. (If approved at 1st reading, the public hearing will be held on October 5, 2021).]
ZA21-0070 FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT AND SITE PLAN FOR KIMBALL PARK.SO THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE TO CHANGE THE REGULATIONS FOR LOT FIVE KIMBALL PARK.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO ADD O-1 USES OFFICE DISTRICT AS PERMITTED USE BY RIGHT FOR
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LOT FIVE FOR THE PROPERTY, LOCATED AT 2100-2116 EAST STATE HWY 114.THIS IS THE BUILDING WHERE THE ART BASED CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS WAS LOOKING TO LOCATE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
SP ZONING, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO MODIFY THE REGULATIONS ONLY FOR LOT FIVE TO ADD O-1 OFFICE USES BY RIGHT.
NO OTHER CHANGES ARE PROPOSED.
THIS IS THE APPROVED SITE PLAN.
A COUPLE OF PHOTOS OF THE BUILDING.
THE TEXT IN BLACK IS THE EXISTING REGULATIONS.
YOU MAY RECALL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THE SUP OPTION TO ADD THE CORPORATE OFFICE AS A PERMITTED USE WAS ADDED AND WAS APPROVED.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT USE THAT WAS INTENDED FOR THIS BUILDING WAS IT WILL NOT BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR PREVIOUS PLANS, PRIMARILY DUE TO COVID.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO ADD THE O-1 OFFICE DISTRICT USE AS SHOWN IN THE RED TEXT.
AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE FOR LOT FIVE ONLY AND THEN DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS STATING THAT THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE BUILDING.
AND AGAIN, JUST CLARIFYING THAT THE O-1 OFFICE DISTRICT USES COULD USE THAT PATIO AREA.
WE DID RECEIVE OPPOSITION THIS AFTERNOON.
THIS WILL CREATE A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE AT SECOND READING.
OK, SO REFRESH MY RECOLLECTION.
AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE ON THE DAIS NOW WHO WEREN'T A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN WE SAW THIS.
WE GOT THIS REQUEST IN 2018/2019.
IT WASN'T NOT IDENTICAL AS THE ONE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
THE USES THAT WERE ALLOWED WERE C-2 RETAIL TYPE USES, THEY WERE THE RESTAURANT, COFFEE SHOP, RETAIL HEALTH AND WELLNESS SPA.
AT THE TIME, A CORPORATE ARTFUL LIVING WAS NAMED WANTED TO LOCATE THEIR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS FROM ANOTHER STATE TO MOVE IN TEXAS.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT WENT THROUGH A ZONING CHANGE AND THE ZONING CHANGE SAID A SINGLE CORPORATE OFFICE TENANT COULD OCCUPY THE BUILDING WITH APPROVAL OF AN SUP.
THAT'S HOW THE REGULATION AND THE SUP WAS APPROVED.
MUCH LIKE THE GUARD STATION WITH THE VERIZON, THEY DIDN'T PULL A PERMIT.
RIGHT BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT WAS THE COMPROMISE THAT WE CAME UP WITH AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
BUT THE INITIAL REQUEST WAS UNREGULATED, PERMITTED O-1 OFFICE USES.
I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A YES.
AND WE KIND OF YOU REMEMBER THERE WERE A COUPLE TIMES THAT WENT THROUGH AND WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF TIMES.
SO, WE STARTED EXACTLY WITH THIS APPLICATION HE WANTED BY RIGHT, O-1 OFFICE USES.
WE HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPER IN THE LANDOWNER, ON THE SITE.
WE CHEWED ON THIS FOR A WHILE, AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS, HEY, WE'RE NOT ENTIRELY COMFORTABLE WITH UNRESTRICTED O-1 USES BECAUSE, WELL, FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A TENANT THAT WE LIKE, WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO LOOK AT IT, RIGHT? DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT? SO, WE CHANGED THE ZONING TO ALLOW FOR A SINGLE CORPORATE USER BY AN SUP.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE STAND TODAY, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
OK, SO NOW WE'VE GOT AN APPLICANT COMING IN AND ASKING FOR THE SAME THING THAT WE DENIED TWO YEARS AGO? ESSENTIALLY, YES, SIR.
OK, SO WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT THIS TOO, BUT WHAT HAS CHANGED OTHER THAN TWO YEARS HAVE GONE BY AND APPARENTLY THE TENANT THAT WE LIKED IS NOT ON THE TABLE ANYMORE, AND I'LL LET THE APPLICANT, BUT P&Z EXPRESSED MARKET CONDITIONS THAT THE USES THE RETAIL RESTAURANT WAS A STRUGGLE BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT MARKET, ENVIRONMENT AND LOCATION, I THINK WERE SOME OF THE [INAUDIBLE].
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT? OK, THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
PAUL MOSS, 8821 DAVIS BOULEVARD, KELLER, TEXAS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I'M HERE TO REQUEST THIS ZONING CHANGE, AND I THINK MOST OF THE MEMBERS ARE
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FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY.WE HAVE HAD ZERO INTEREST IN RESTAURANT SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE.
SO SINCE OVER 60 PERCENT OF MY BUILDING IS ZONED FOR RETAIL RESTAURANT, THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS TO ASK FOR O-1.
WE CAN FEEL THIS BUILDING UP WITH OFFICE TENANTS, BUT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RESTRICTED ON THE ZONING.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.
MY QUESTION IS THE SAME QUESTION I ASKED KEN: WHAT IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN TWO YEARS AGO AND NOW? WHAT IS DIFFERENT? WHAT'S DIFFERENT? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GO FOR THIS TWO YEARS AGO OR TWO AND A HALF OR THREE YEARS AGO, WHENEVER IT WAS.
WE DIDN'T GO FOR IT THE LAST TIME BECAUSE WE WERE UNCOMFORTABLE GIVING YOU JUST BY RIGHT O-1 USES BECAUSE YOU COULD DO ANYTHING FROM A SINGLE CORPORATE USER TO CHOPPING IT UP INTO A BUNCH OF EXECUTIVE SUITES, WHICH WOULD BE A LOT EASIER TO LEASE OUT.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S SITTING THERE EMPTY FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, WHICH IS A HASSLE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO, MY QUESTION IS WHY WOULD WE APPROVE THIS WHEN WE DENIED THE EXACT SAME APPLICATION THREE YEARS AGO? WHAT'S DIFFERENT? WELL, BECAUSE I THINK THE CITY SHOULD WANT THE BUILDING FULL WITH THE TENANT IN THERE OR TWO TENANTS OR THREE TENANTS IN THERE.
I'M NOT ASKING TO DO AN EXECUTIVE SUITE OUT OF IT.
BUT YOU COULD WITH O-1? BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT A THREE TENANT MAXIMUM ON THERE, WHERE THERE WOULD BE NO MORE THAN THREE TENANTS IN THE BUILDING.
YOU KNOW HOW OUR EXECUTIVE SUITES WORK.
YOU COULD LEASE AN EXECUTIVE SUITE TO A SINGLE MASTER TENANT AND THEY COULD SUBLEASE IT AND STILL FALL UNDER THE NEW ZONING.
SO, WITH O-1, WE LOSE ALL CONTROL IF WE JUST GIVE YOU THIS BY RIGHT.
AND WITH THIS SUP, WHICH YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH THE PERMITTED USE AS O-1 WE AT LEAST GET TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN THERE, AND THAT GIVES US SOME COMFORT THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A BUNCH OF EXECUTIVE SUITES.
OK, BUT RIGHT NOW MY BUILDING IS SITTING EMPTY AND IT'S BEING USED FOR PARKING FOR ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
THEY'RE PARKING ON MY PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE USING THE BUILDING.
SO I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PUSHED AROUND THE DEAL TOO.
I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY KNOWING WHAT THE ZONING WAS.
BUT THINGS CHANGE IN THIS WORLD.
PEOPLE ARE NOT OPENING RESTAURANTS RIGHT NOW, NEW RESTAURANTS FROM, YOU KNOW, GROUND UP.
THEY MAY BE TAKING SECOND GENERATION--APPARENTLY, THEY'RE OPENING DRIVE-THRU, JUST SAYING .
[CHUCKLING] YEAH, YOU WANT TO DO A DRIVE-THRU FOR ME, I'D BE GLAD TO HAVE A DRIVE-THRU THERE.
[CHUCKLING] I'M SURE, YOU WOULD.
DON'T OPEN THAT CAN OF WORMS. OK, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M SORRY, SIR.
WERE YOU FINISHED? WERE YOU FINISHED? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M CURIOUS, KNOWING YOU BUILT THIS FOR A RESTAURANT, WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS OR WHAT KIND OF STUFF THAT YOU HAVE PREPARED TO ENTICE A RESTAURANT TO COME THERE? IS IT ALL JUST SHELF SPACE AND EVERYTHING HAS TO BE COMPLETED BY BY A NEW TENANT? NO, SIR.
WE'RE OFFERING A VERY AMPLE TI, TENANT IMPROVEMENT ALLOWANCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT $500000.
SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, SITTING THERE WITH OUR HANDS EMPTY; WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE PEOPLE MONEY TO COME IN THERE.
SO IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN THE SITUATION WE ARE WITH THE RESTAURANTS RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT DOESN'T GET MY BUILDING LEASED AND I FEEL LIKE THAT THE OFFICE USES IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE THERE.
[INAUDIBLE] A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OFFICE USE SURROUNDING THAT KIND OF THE POINT OF THAT PIECE WAS TO HAVE A RESTAURANT FOR SOME OF THOSE OFFICES TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE WITH--FULLY UNDERSTAND I BOUGHT IT KNOWING THAT.
MR. MOSS, CAN YOU KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE HISTORY HERE BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE HAD AT LEAST ONE OR TWO LEASES SIGNED OVER THE YEARS AND KIND OF WHAT'S TAKEN PLACE, WHY YOU'RE COMING BACK WITHOUT A PROSPECTIVE TENANT IN HAND? OBVIOUSLY, I IMAGINE IT'S DIFFICULT TO SECURE A TENANT WITHOUT THE PROPER ZONING.
SO CAN YOU EXPRESS KIND OF WHAT'S TAKING PLACE, WHY YOU'RE COMING BACK AT THIS POINT? WELL, SHORTLY AFTER WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION ON THE BUILDING, WE SIGNED A 10-YEAR LEASE WITH A RESTAURANT THAT IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN DOWNTOWN FORT WORTH.
THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO BRING THE INVESTORS IN TO FUND THE BUILDING OF THE RESTAURANT.
SO AFTER SEVEN MONTHS OF PUTTING PLANS TOGETHER, GETTING EVERYTHING READY, THE TENANT THAT HAD SIGNED THE LEASE COULD NOT GET THEIR FUNDING.
SO WE WENT BACK TO SQUARE ONE.
WE HAD ANOTHER RESTAURANT COME IN.
WE SIGNED A LEASE WITH THEM AS WELL, FIVE YEAR LEASE, OFFERING THE SAME TI IMPROVEMENT MONEY OF FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND AND THEY WERE GOING TO GET THEIR FUNDING FROM OVERSEAS AND DURING COVID, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO, COMING BACK TO ARTFUL LIVING MEDIA WHO CAME IN AND YOU GUYS APPROVED A SINGLE TENANT USE FOR THE 9000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
WE APPROVED ARTFUL LIVING BEFORE COVID.
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HUH? WE APPROVED ARTFUL LIVING BEFORE COVID.ARTFUL LIVING, IS THAT WHEN WE APPROVED IT? YES.
IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK WE DID IT VIA ZOOM.
LAST WEEK, DURING P AND Z, THEY CONFIRMED THAT, HEY, THAT WAS THE FIRST ZOOM MEETING THAT THE Z EVER CONDUCTED.
KEN, WILL YOU CHECK ON THAT WHILE WE'RE TALKING? I'M INTERESTED IN THE TIME FRAME.
ARTFUL LIVING DID COME BEFORE US.
I REMEMBER, BECAUSE I WAS NEW ON COUNCIL.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK THAT'S LONG BEFORE, ARTFUL LIVING WAS TURNED DOWN--WELL, NOT TURNED DOWN, BUT IT WAS APPROVED AS THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE ONE ONE TENANT USE IN MAY OF LAST YEAR.
YEAH, I THINK WE LOOKED AT ARTFUL LIVING FOR LIKE SIX MONTHS BEFORE THEY WE FINALLY GOT TO A LANDING PLACE WITH IT.
AND I'M ALMOST POSITIVE, CEO OF ARTFUL LIVING, WE DID A ZOOM.
YEAH, YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE APPROVAL MEETING, BUT--NO, WE DID.
THE APPROVAL WAS HERE IN-PERSON.
YEAH, I REMEMBER ONE OF THEM WAS DONE BEFORE COVID.
LONG STORY SHORT, I THINK YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND MY SITUATION AND WHY I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I CAN'T LEASE MY BUILDING AS A RESTAURANT PIECE.
I THINK THE DIFFICULTY WE'RE UNDER WHEN WE APPROVED KIMMEL PARK AS A HOLISTIC PLAN, THIS WAS EARMARKED AS A RESTAURANT.
YOU BOUGHT IT AS A RESTAURANT, YOU DEVELOPED IT AS A RESTAURANT.
AND WE SAID, BRING US A TENANT THAT WE LIKE AND WE'LL CONSIDER IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S STILL MY POSITION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THEM FEEL.
THAT'S STILL MY POSITION AND IT'S STILL MY POSITION THAT UNRESTRICTED O-1 BY RIGHT USE DOESN'T MAKE ME COMFORTABLE.
NOT FOR THAT AND NOT FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
BUT I MEAN, WE'LL GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? HAVE YOU EXPRESSED BECAUSE I WAS ASKING, HAVE YOU HAD ANY POTENTIAL TENANTS COME TO YOU BASED OFF OF YOUR MARKETING? GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF POTENTIAL TENANTS.
WE'RE WORKING WITH A TENANT RIGHT NOW THAT IS INTERESTED IN THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
THEY WOULD FALL UNDERNEATH A MEDICAL USE, BUT IT WOULD BE A SINGLE TENANT AND WE HAVE SIGNED AN LOI.
WE HAVE NOT SIGNED A LEASE BECAUSE THEY ARE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE COUNCIL APPROVES OR DOESN'T APPROVE.
DOES THAT FALL UNDER O-1 USE? QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR BAKER.
HAVE YOU EVALUATED THIS USE AT ALL? THIS IS THE FIRST WE'RE HEARING ABOUT.
THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE MEDICAL USE.
YEAH, DOES MEDICAL USE FALL UNDER O-1.
ANY MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL USES ARE ALLOWED IN O-1 TYPE OF USE.
SO RIGHT NOW, HE COULD ASK FOR AN SUP FOR THIS TENANT? WELL, THE SAP IS FOR A SINGLE CORPORATE TENANT, SO WHEN HE HAS ONE TENANT IN THE BUILDING, THEN IT REQUIRES AN SUP APPROVAL.
RIGHT, SO WHY AREN'T WE LISTENING TO AN SUP APPLICATION RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE MEDICAL IS O-1 HE JUST SAID.
RIGHT, YOU CAN ASK FOR ONE UNDER AN SUP.
SO WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR A ZONING CHANGE AND NOT AN SUP? IT'S LIMITED RIGHT NOW TO ONE SINGLE TENANT STRUCTURED NOW, YOU CAN HAVE ONE CORPORATE TENANT WITH APPROVAL OF AN SUP.
WHEN WE FILED THIS, WE DID NOT HAVE AN LOI WITH ANYONE.
SO I WAS ASKING FOR MULTIPLE TENANTS IN MY BUILDING WITHOUT O-1 ZONING.
NOW, WE HAVE JUST SIGNED AN LOI IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS WITH ONE COMPANY THAT WANTS THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT CAN BE APPROVED, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
I'M SAYING THAT NEEDS TO BE YOUR APPLICATION FOR AN SUP.
YOU ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT TO--CAN I MODIFY THE APPLICATION? I DON'T KNOW.
[LAUGHTER] THAT LOOKED INDICATES THAT THE ANSWER IS NO.
[LAUGHTER] WELL, NOW I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY 'MEDICAL TENANT' IS EXCEEDINGLY NEBULOUS.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SEE I MEAN, ARE WE TALKING LIKE MEDICAL MARIJUANA OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, LIKE, SAY ING A MEDICAL TENANT, THAT'S A HUGE UMBRELLA.
SO I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF MEDICAL TENANT.
WELL, SO THIS IS EXACTLY THE REASON WE SET IT UP LIKE THIS.
YEAH, TO YOUR POINT ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO, LET'S LET THE BRILLIANT FOLKS IN THE LIFE SIDE CONFER FOR A SECOND.
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ALAN, THIS IS A LITTLE WEIRD.THIS WHOLE NIGHT'S BEEN WEIRD, MAN.
YEAH, THIS WHOLE NIGHT'S BEEN THAT WAY.
BUT UNDER THE TEXAS LAW GOVERNING HOW ZONING APPLICATIONS ARE INTERPRETED, IF AN AGENDA ITEM IS POSTED OR NOTICE IS SENT TO ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS OR NEWSPAPER NOTICE IS PUBLISHED THAT IDENTIFIES A PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND A PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE, ONCE THAT IS PRESENTED TO THE APPROPRIATE BOARD, COMMISSION OR COUNCIL, THEN JURISDICTION IS INVOKED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY IN A COMMUNITY SENSE THAT IS COVERED BY THE BREADTH OF THE NOTICE.
IN THIS INSTANCE, THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE IS AN APPLICATION TO AMEND THE SPECIFIC DISTRICT TO ALLOW O-1 USES.
WHAT THEY'RE NOW SAYING THEY WANT TO DO IS SECURE AN SUP TO CONDUCT THE O-1 USE UNDER BULLET POINT FIVE.
THAT WOULD APPEAR TO BE COVERED BY THE BREADTH OF THE NOTICE.
A PERSON OF AVERAGE UNDERSTANDING COULD INFER O-1 USE MEDICAL OFFICE THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED SUP FOR O-1 US.
RIGHT, WELL, TO BE CLEAR, I'M ENTIRELY UNCOMFORTABLE GIVING HIM BY RIGHT O-1 USES.
I AM EQUALLY UNCOMFORTABLE APPROVING AN SUP FOR A TENANT THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF.
SO I'M JUST REALLY WONDERING, SHOULD WE DENY THIS OR CAN WE TABLE IT FOR TWO WEEKS AND LET HIM MODIFY IT AND BRING THE TENANT BACK? I THINK YOU COULD TABLE IT FOR TWO WEEKS, LET THEM MODIFY IT, BRING BACK THE REQUISITE INFORMATION AND THEN HAVE STANDING TO GO FORWARD.
IF HE'S REALLY GOT A SINGLE TENANT, IT FITS.
IT'S HIS RIGHT TO APPLY FOR AN SUP UNDER HIS CURRENT ZONING, IF YOU GUYS ARE OK WITH IT, WE CAN TABLE IT INDEFINITELY.
LET HIM BRING THE PERSON BACK.
ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SAYING? OK, SO CONGRATULATIONS ON THE LOI.
I HOPE IT'S SOMEONE WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT.
WE LIKED ARTFUL LIVING REMEMBER BECAUSE IT WAS AN INTERESTING USE.
IT WAS GOING TO BRING ART TO THE CITY.
IT WAS [INAUDIBLE] OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH.
SO I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO THAT YOU HAVE AN LOI WITH IS SIMILAR IN VEIN IN NATURE BECAUSE IF IT'S JUST I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO AT LEAST I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF JUST ANY OLD RANDOM MEDICAL USER.
SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT US NOT DENYING THIS, US TABLING THIS IS NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO PROVE ANYTHING YOU BRING.
SO THE POINT OF SETTING UP THE ZONING LIKE WE DID WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU BRING US USES THAT WE REALLY, REALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE EXTREME MEASURE OF CHANGING THE ZONING THAT WE PUT IN PLACE ALMOST A DECADE AGO.
SO JUST PLEASE BRING US BACK SOMEONE REALLY GOOD.
MAKE SENSE? OK, WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE.
MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER 7D, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-657F RECOGNIZES ZA21-0070, WHICH IS THE FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR KIMBALL PARK.
SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 14, 2021, THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED SEPTEMBER 3RD.
WE ARE NOTING THAT THIS WILL BE TABLED INDEFINITELY.
MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
DO YOU WANT TO JUST TABLE TWO WEEKS? YEAH, DOES IT MATTER? I MEAN, I THINK, YEAH TWO WEEKS IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT SPEAKERS] [INAUDIBLE] LOI.
I RETRACT THAT INDEFINITELY AND MODIFY THAT TO TWO WEEKS.
MODIFIED MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
THERE'S STILL A MOTION TO TABLE FOR TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
THAT MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.
THIS ITEM IS TABLED TO OUR OCTOBER 5TH MEETING.
OK, WITH THAT, WE WILL CALL ITEM NUMBER 7E ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-474B ZA21-0073.
[7.E. Ordinance No. 480-474b (ZA21-0073), 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Concept/Site Plan for River Oaks Addition, on property described as Lots 1-10, Block 1, of the River Oaks Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, located at 100-125 River Oaks Drive, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. Proposed Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #11. (If approved at 1st reading, the public hearing will be held on October 5, 2021). NARRATIVE]
FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPTS AND SITE PLAN FOR RIVER OAKS ADDITION.PLEASE LET THIS ONE BE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS REQUEST IS FOR APPROVAL OF A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN TO AMEND THE CURRENT S-P-2 ZONING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND TO RECEIVE A SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TEN THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT PROPOSED DAY CARE CENTER LOCATED AT 100 RIVER OAKS.
WE'VE BEEN OVER THE LAND USE AND ZONING AND TWO PREVIOUS CASES, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTH WEST CORNER OF THE RIVER OAKS DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN.
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THE REASON THIS IS COMING THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS IS THAT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS SHOWN AT 7000 SQUARE FEET AND THIS IS A 10000 SQUARE FOOT PROPOSED BUILDING.THE LOTS ONE AND TWO DO HAVE C-2 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL RELATED USES.
IT DOES PREEMPT FAST FOOD, TAKEOUT RESTAURANTS, GROCERY STORES, DRUGSTORES, BATTERIES, TIRES, REPAIR TYPE OF BUSINESSES.
BUT ALL OTHER C-2 USES ARE PERMITTED ON THOSE LOTS, FRONTING 1709.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN BEING CONSIDERED THIS EVENING.
38 SPACES ON SITE, 13 SPACES WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT ON THE LOT TO THE NORTH AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, IT'S A SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENT THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE BUILDING'S 10000 SQUARE FEET, THE PLAYGROUND IS 5000 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPERTY FALLS FROM NORTH WEST BACK DOWN TOWARDS 1709, SO THIS AREA SITS A RETAINING WALL, THE DARK BLACK LINE REPRESENTS A RETAINING WALL SO THAT 5000 SQUARE FOOT PLAYER WILL SIT DOWN LOWER FROM THE PROPERTY AREA TO THE NORTH.
IN THE PROPOSAL SHOWS A WROUGHT IRON FENCE METAL TYPE FENCE ON TOP OF THAT, RETAINING WALL, WHICH WILL BE PART OF THE ENCLOSURE FOR THE PLAY AREA, WILL BE SOME EQUIPMENT IN THE BACK PORTION OF THE PLAY AREA.
THESE ARE SOME BUILDING ELEVATIONS WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS UPDATED THIS AFTERNOON, AND THEY CAN GO OVER THOSE IN THEIR PRESENTATIONS, BUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE ON THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
THE REVISIONS HAVE PICKED UP SOME OF THE ELEMENTS IN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED TREES CONSERVATION PLAN.
THEY DO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING.
THIS IS A COMPARISON CHART WITH THE EXISTING ZONING IN PLACE VERSUS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
THEY DO MEET THE CITY'S PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR A DAYCARE TYPE USE, WHICH IS ONE SPACE PER FIVE STUDENTS.
IT'LL INCREASE THE RATIO WILL GO FROM 193 TO ABOUT ONE PER TWO HUNDRED FOUR SQUARE FEET, BUT THEY DO MEET THE CODE INTERNALLY.
IN ADDITION, THEY'RE DOING THE 13 SPACES TO THE NORTH.
THESE ARE THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS, WHICH WOULD PERMIT THE 10000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THE USE.
IT DOES PROVIDE A MAXIMUM TOTAL OF STUDENTS.
THIS IS, THE CARS NEED TO BE PARKED, THE KIDS ARE WALKED IN AND THEY ARE REQUESTING THE ARTICULATION BE ALLOWED AS SHOWN ON THE ELEVATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION.
CURRENT OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, THE PEAK TIMES ARE COMING IN IN THE MORNING AND LEAVING AT LUNCH AND THEN LEAVING, COMING BACK AND THEN LEAVING IN THE EVENING.
SO THE PEAK TIMES, LEAVING THE DEVELOPMENT A LITTLE BIT OFFSET FROM THE NORMAL PEAK TIMES FROM THE REMAINDER OF THE OFFICE PM.
THE NUMBERS INDICATE THAT THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPREAD OUT IN THE AFTERNOON TIME PERIOD.
DRAINAGE PLAN UTILITY PLAN IF WE NEED TO DISCUSS ANY OF THAT, THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED TO THE WEST.
THIS SHOWS THE FIVE OFFICE SETUP.
THERE IS CONNECTIVITY AND ACCESS.
CROSS ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT IF AND WHEN BUILT TO THE WEST.
JUST A COUPLE PHOTOS OF THE SITE.
THIS IS THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE, WHICH THE ELEVATIONS WILL PICK UP ON.
TWO RESPONSES OPPOSED IN THE 120 AND THEN OFF OF JELLICO CIRCLE.
P&Z RECOMMENDED A FIVE TWO APPROVAL, NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT INDICATED ON THE
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CONCEPT PLAN THAT A WROUGHT IRON MASONRY FENCE WILL BE A TYPE OF FENCING WILL BE PROVIDED.THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED THAT AND TO PROVIDE A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF PICK UP AND DROP OFF TIMES WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED AND WILL GO OVER IN THEIR PRESENTATION.
BUT THE MAIN CONCERNS WERE THE TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION OF 1709 AND RIVER OAKS.
THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE ONE, SO THIS USE IS PROVIDED FOR IN S-P-2 ZONING THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE, CORRECT? THE USE IS THE WHAT'S DRIVING THE REZONING IS THE BUILDING'S GOING FROM 7000 TO 10000, BUT THE USE WOULD BE PERMITTED.
USE IS ALREADY PERMITTED, SO THEY HAVE BY RIGHT SAME USE, BUT JUST WITH A SEVEN THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
AND ON THE FIRST TWO LOTS, THERE ARE C-2 USES, SO WITHOUT THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE BANKS RETAIL, SIT DOWN TYPE RESTAURANT, THOSE WOULD BE PERMITTED.
OTHER THAN THOSE EXEMPTIONS MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION.
OK, SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING USE, REALLY.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT SIZE OF THE BUILDING? OK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, DIRECTOR BAKER.IS APPLICANT HERE.
IF YOU COULD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND TAKE IT AWAY.
EDWARD MANUEL 3713 MONTICELLO DRIVE, FORT WORTH, TEXAS.
PETER JACOBSON, 433 COLORADO BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS.
WE'LL TRY TO GO AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE IS A NATIONAL DAY CARE FIRM.
WE'RE A BIT DALLAS-FORT WORTH BASED REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER, KIND OF FOCUSING ON SMALLER BOUTIQUE RETAIL USES LIKE THIS.
THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE IS A FIRM BASED OUT OF FLORIDA, STARTED IN 1980.
ONE OF THE TOP NATIONAL DAY CARE FIRMS THAT HAS BEEN LOOKING AT SOUTHLAKE FOR YEARS AND WANTING TO BE IN SOUTHLAKE, SO THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY.
THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, IS A PURPOSE BUILT TEN THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, AND THAT'S THE REAL REASON WE'RE HERE.
IT'S IT IS PURPOSE BUILT FOR EVERYWHERE, FROM INFANTS TO PRE-KINDERGARTEN TYPE AGES.
SO THERE'S DIFFERENT CLASSROOMS IN THERE AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, INTERIOR PLAYGROUNDS AS WELL AS THE PLAYGROUND WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE OUTSIDE A LITTLE BIT OF PROJECT HISTORY, IF YOU CAN SEE THIS MAP.
SO ORIGINALLY WE HAD PLANNED THE DAYCARE ON LOT FIVE, WHICH WAS CLOSER TO THE NORTH.
WE WENT THROUGH THE SPIN MEETING SUCCESSFULLY.
GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM TWO OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING THAT TYPE OF USE ON THAT PROPERTY, WENT AND SAT DOWN WITH OUR TWO NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND DECIDED THE BEST THING FOR THE PROPERTY WAS PROBABLY TO LOCATE IT ON LOT TWO, WHICH IS ZONED BY RIGHT, LIKE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THE C-2 ARE ALLOWED.
THIS IS THE REVISED PLAN THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.
WE DID A LITTLE OVERLAY SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE EXISTING CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED AND OUR REVISED PLAN SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
REALLY, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE MOVED, ORIGINALLY THE DUMPSTERS WERE IN THAT ACCESS EASEMENT AND THE SPINE ROAD RIGHT THERE THAT BEFORE THAT PROPERTY TO THE WEST WAS REZONED.
THAT'S THE CHART THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT.
THIS IS THE COLORED SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, THE GOALS WE HAVE FOR THE PROJECT ARE TO AMEND THE UNDERLYING ZONING TO BUILD A PURPOSE-BUILT TLE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, DELIVER THE PROJECT TO MEETING THE EXISTING GROWING DEMAND FOR CHILD CARE IN SOUTHLAKE.
CONSTRUCT A HIGH QUALITY BUILDING AND ADD VALUE TO THE OFFICE COMPLEX AS WELL.
SO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS IN JELLICO THAT JUST RECENTLY, I GUESS SENT IN SOME COMMENTS WAS NOISE FROM THE PLAY AREA.
AND LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S A I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THAT'S GOING TO LOWER THE DAYCARE AND WE'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT PROXIMITY TO THOSE NEIGHBORS AS WELL AND HOW THAT AFFECTS NOISE.
YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, IS YOUR PARKING SUFFICIENT? WE KNOW YOUR PART TO CODE FOR A DAYCARE, BUT WE'VE BROKEN DOWN PICKUP TIMES AT ONE OF THEIR MOST SUCCESSFUL LOCATIONS IN RICHARDSON TO SHOW YOU THAT THE MAX PEOPLE PARKING ON SITE AT ANY TIME IS LIKE 9 TO 14 PEOPLE, AND WE CAN SHOW YOU THAT IN A MINUTE.
AND WE UPDATED THE ELEVATIONS AS WELL TO ABIDE BY MORE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD
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APPROVED ZONING SO WE CAN SHOW YOU THAT.SO THIS IS AN AERIAL SHOWING KIND OF THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE SUNKEN PLAYGROUND AND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT HAD EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN, AND IT'S ANYWHERE FROM LIKE 600 TO 720 FEET.
AND THEN THIS SHOWS YOU KIND OF HOW FAR THAT IS WITH THE SOUTHLAKE DRAGONS FOOTBALL FIELD OVERLAID ON THERE.
WE'LL JUST KEEP GOING, AND IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
SO HERE'S AN EXHIBIT SHOWING THAT RETAINING WALL THAT WE WERE TALKED ABOUT AND THE YELLOW NUMBERS ARE THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATIONS OF THE GRADE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE 665 AND THEN THE 658 OF THE SUNKEN PLAYGROUND AND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
AND THEN THAT'S A RENDERING OF THE FENCE DETAIL THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE CORRIDOR, I THINK, ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS THE PARKING DETAIL BREAKING IT DOWN THAT WE CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT.
WE'RE ADDITIONALLY BUILDING 13 SHARED SPACES FOR DR.
[INAUDIBLE], THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE SHARED BETWEEN US FOR OVERFLOW.
WE DID SOME ANALYSIS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME EXISTING USES THAT ARE KIND OF HAVE HIGH TRAFFIC JUST TO SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AT DIFFERENT PEAKS AND DAILY TRIPS THAT THERE ARE USES THAT, BY RIGHT, COULD BE HIGHER TRAFFIC.
AND THEN THIS IS PROBABLY, WE THINK, THE MOST INTRIGUING.
SO TLE CORPORATE GAVE US FEEDBACK BACKGROUND INTO SOME OF THE HIGHER TRAFFIC TIMES OF THEIR RICHARDSON LOCATION, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MORE SUCCESSFUL.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S BROKEN DOWN BY 10 MINUTE INCREMENTS AND YOU CAN SEE CARS IN IS REALLY WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND THEN CARS OUT.
SO THAT'S WHEN CARS ENTER THE PROPERTY OF WINGED CARS, EXIT THE PROPERTY AND YOU CAN SEE LIKE THE MAX IS AT 8:20 A.M., THERE'S 10 CARS ENTERING THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S REALLY THE BIG DISTINGUISHING FACTOR THAT WE WANTED TO OUTLINE.
THIS IS NOT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
IT'S NOT LIKE SOUTHLAKE SOUTHLAKE ELEMENTARY, WHERE YOUR KIDS HAVE TO BE THERE AT 7:30 A.M.
THE PARENTS ENROLL BASED ON WHAT FITS THEIR SCHEDULE, SO THERE'S PROGRAMS FROM 6:30 A.M.
TO 6:30 P.M., SO IT'S REALLY SCATTERED.
AND THEN THERE'S THE PICKUP SCATTERING, AND WE CAN GET INTO AS MUCH DETAIL AS YOU NEED ON THAT.
I'M SORRY, THIS IS, AND WE TOOK OFF THE NAMES JUST TO PROTECT PEOPLE'S NAMES, BUT YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE SCATTERING OF WHEN FAMILIES OR DROPPING OFF STUDENTS.
LET'S SEE, THAT'S PICK UP DETAIL.
HERE'S THAT OVERLAY SHOWING THE NEW FUTURE CROSS ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST AND THEN I THINK THIS IS PRETTY INTERESTING.
SO WE ANALYZED THAT LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE PROPERTY; IT'S CURRENTLY LIKE FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN FEET.
SO WE THINK THAT'S ABOUT AN 18 TO 20 CAR STACK FOR THAT LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE PROPERTY, WHICH SHOULD BE MORE THAN SUFFICIENT FOR THAT EASTBOUND TRAFFIC.
HERE'S THE REVISED ELEVATIONS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BIG THINGS WE CHANGED, WE MADE SURE THAT BOTTOM RIGHT BUILDING KEY PLANE YOU CAN SEE WE AMENDED THE BUILDING ARTICULATION WITH STAFF'S HELP TO FIT THE CURRENT ZONING.
WE GOT RID OF THE COLUMNS AND THE FRONT WERE SIGNAGE COLUMNS, AND WE INSTEAD WENT TO A MASONRY COLUMN THAT FITS MORE INTO THE CORRIDOR PLANNING.
AND THEN WE ADDED MORE CAST STONE ABOVE THE WINDOWS AND SOME AREAS THAT DIDN'T HAVE CAST STONE TO MAKE IT FEEL MORE LIKE IT FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S KIND OF A [INAUDIBLE] OF IT.
[INAUDIBLE] ONE OF HIS BUILDINGS THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE ZONING.
ADDED, YOU KNOW, DORMERS AND DIFFERENT THINGS ABOVE THE POINTED AREAS.
AND THAT'S ABOUT THE ARTICULATION, AND THERE'S BUBBLES THERE.
SO THANK YOU TO YOU AND THANK YOU TO BUBBLES.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GOING THROUGH THAT AND ESPECIALLY THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT? IT LOOKED LIKE YOU STILL HAD ABCD, 1234 ON THE COLUMNS THERE.
IS THAT COMING OFF OR? YES, SIR.
YEAH, WE CAN GET YOU A PICTURE OF THAT.
THEY'VE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY IN THE PAST, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE BIG COLUMNS.
IT'S LIKE INLAID INTO THE BRICK.
WE HAVE A RENDERING OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
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KEN, THAT WOULD BE SIGNAGE, WE WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE SEPARATELY AS PART OF THE SIGN PACKAGE, RIGHT? IT LOOKS LIKE SIGNAGE, WHICH JUST WHAT I'M LOOKING AT WOULD REQUIRE VARIANCE.SO TO BE CLEAR, THOUGH, THIS ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT AND SITE PLAN DOES NOT APPROVE ANY SIGNAGE OR JUST BE CLEAR THAT ANY OF THE SIGNAGE OR THE ABCD, 1234 ARE NOT BEING APPROVED AS PART OF THIS CONSIDERATION, [INAUDIBLE] ACT AS PART WITH A SIGNED VARIANCE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OK, YOU GUYS HAVE A SEAT, WE'LL PROBABLY CALL YOU BACK UP IN A MINUTE.
SO THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT SEEING AS HOW IT'S 10:30 AND THERE ARE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS POINT? OK, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN.
COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION DELIBERATION ON, I MEAN, IT'S THE USE IS PERMITTED.
I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HEARTBURN GOING TO TEN THOUSAND VERSUS SEVEN THOUSAND.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD TENANT.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS PRODUCT.
IT COMES REALLY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
WE HAD THESE IN FLORIDA, AND I LOVE SEEING SOME DEVELOPMENT DOWN AT THAT END.
IT SORELY NEEDS IT; WHENEVER I'M DOWN THERE, I ALWAYS FORGET THAT'S STILL PART OF SOUTHLAKE.
SO I LOVE THIS, THIS PRODUCT OR PRODUCT LIKE IT COMING DOWN THERE.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? WELL, I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION IF YOU COULD COME BACK UP.
SO AT QUARTER, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AN ASKED SOME QUESTIONS AROUND BECAUSE THIS IS THE PARENTS HAVE TO WALK IN THEIR CHILDREN.
THEY CAN'T DROP THEM OFF, AND HOW MANY STAFF YOU HAD IN THE PARKING? AND SO HAS ANY OF THAT CHANGED OR BEEN AMENDED FROM WHAT WE SAW OR CAN YOU JUST KIND OF TALK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AND I THINK THE BEST WAY TO PROBABLY EXPLAIN IT IS WHOOPS AND SORRY.
SO WE TALKED TO TLE CORPORATE ABOUT THAT, AND IT'S STILL ABOUT 15 EMPLOYEES, AND WE ANALYZED IN THAT 10 MINUTE DROP OFF TIME WHAT WE DID IS THEY SAID THE AVERAGE DROP OFF TIME IS TWO MINUTES IN, THREE MINUTES OUT.
SO, LET'S SAY, FOR INSTANCE, AT FIVE O'CLOCK, YOU SEE IN THE TOP YELLOW ONE FIVE TO FIVE 10 P.M., THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE LEFT OVER FROM FOUR FIFTY TO FIVE O'CLOCK THAT WERE STILL PICKING UP THEIR KIDS, PLUS SEVEN NEW CARS IN RICHARDSON PULLED IN FROM 5-5:10 SO THERE WERE NINE PARKING SPACES TAKEN AND THEN BY THE END OF 5-5:10, FIVE OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE LEFT.
SO THERE WERE STILL FOUR CARS LEFT [INAUDIBLE] WITH TLE SINCE THE SPIN MEETING IN THE CORRIDOR MEETING IT'S LIKE ANALYZING ON A 10 MINUTE INCREMENT THEIR MOST SUCCESSFUL STORES TO MAKE SURE LIKE THAT IT IS, YOU PULL IN, PARK YOUR CAR, GO GET YOUR CHILD, AND THEN THREE MINUTES LATER YOU LEAVE ON AVERAGE.
AND THEN ALLOWING FOR THE 14 OR 15 EMPLOYEES TO BE PARKED THERE DURING THE DAY.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU ALSO OVER HERE.
DO THE PARENTS PACK LUNCH FOR THESE KIDS OR IS THERE ANY FOOD PROVIDED ONSITE? VERY LITTLE FOOD ONSITE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A DRIVE-THRU, IS IT? [LAUGHTER] NO, NO, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD TO WALK SPIN THROUGH IS THAT IT'S NOT A RACETRAC TYPE DAYCARE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE STACKING ISSUES.
SO NOT EVEN A KIDDY DRIVE-THRU.
[LAUGHTER] NO, NOTHING EVEN LIKE IT.
RANDY WAS JUST TRYING TO DECIDE WHEN TO SCHEDULE HIS SITE VISIT.
WELL, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER CONCERNS.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION AT THIS POINT.
WE'RE READY FOR MOTION? EVERYBODY READY? LET'S HEAR IT.
ALL RIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 7E OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-474B ZA21-0073, WHICH IS THE FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT SITE PLAN FOR RIVER OAKS ADDITION.
THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 14TH 2021 AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW
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SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED SEPTEMBER 14TH 2021.WE'LL SEE A SECOND READING AND WITH THAT MEETING ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.