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THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
WELCOME TO SOUTHLAKE CITY HALL.
THIS IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 18, 2021.
I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THIS COMMITTEE.
HOPEFULLY YOU RECEIVED OUR AGENDA.
MAYBE I THINK THEY'RE PRINTED IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE IT IN THE ORDER THAT IT'S NOTED THIS EVENING.
THEY WON'T BE MOVING AROUND AND NOTHING'S BEEN KICKED OFF, AT LEAST AS OF NOW.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE, THE VERY QUICK SUMMARY OF HOW THIS GOES IS WE'LL GET A CITY STAFF PRESENTATION ON EACH ITEM.
WE'LL ALSO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION WHERE I ASK YOU, PLEASE KEEP IT TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
JUST GIVEN WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ITEMS THIS EVENING ON OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA AND OUR SIGNBOARD MEETING, THEN WE'LL DELIBERATE UP HERE AND HOPEFULLY ARRIVE AT A RECOMMENDATION AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS OF WHICH I'VE BEEN TOLD THERE ARE NONE THAT THIS EVENING.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND MATCH THAT SINCE I'VE ALREADY MADE SOME CHAIRMAN COMMENTS AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE, WHICH OUR CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS OUR MEETING
[CONSENT AGENDA]
MINUTES FOR OUR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4, 2021.YOU'VE ALL BEEN PROVIDED COPIES OF THOSE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND MAKE ANY EDITS.
ANY COMMENTS ON THOSE BEFORE I ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA.
PASSES 7-0, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA THIS
[6. Consider: ZA21-0049, Site Plan for HTeaO on property described as Lot 5R1R1, Parker's Corner, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 190 Davis Blvd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #11. PUBLIC HEARING ]
EVENING, WHICH IS A SITE PLAN FOR.I'M SURE I'M NOT SAYING IT'S RIGHT HTEAO, BUT WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT BETTER EXPLAIN THAT, AND I'LL LET DENNIS KICK OFF OUR STAFF PRESENTATION.
THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR A SITE PLAN ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 190 DAVIS BOULEVARD.
THIS IS FOR THE HTEAO TEASHOP.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 2250 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL TEA STORE WITH DRIVE THRU SERVICE, AND IT'S ON APPROXIMATELY ONE POINT THREE FIVE ACRES.
THIS IS THE AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS JUST SOUTH OF THE SONIC ON DAVIS BOULEVARD.
THIS IS A VIEW OF THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY DO SHARE DRIVE ACCESS WITH THE SONIC RESTAURANT, THEN YOU LOOKING IN A SOUTHWESTERLY DIRECTION TOWARDS THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS PROPERTY ON THE LAND USE PLAN IS DESIGNATED AS RETAIL, COMMERCIAL AND FLOOD PLAIN.
AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS SP2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT WITH UNDERLYING C2 USES, THIS WAS PART OF THE ZONING AND CONCEPT SITE AND SITE PLAN THAT WAS DONE FOR THE SONIC RESTAURANT.
THIS IS THE APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN.
THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THIS SITE INCLUDED UP TO 4000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL, POTENTIALLY RESTAURANT SITE WITH DRIVE THRU SERVICE.
AND THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
ONCE AGAIN, THE BUILDING AREA FOR THIS IS JUST OVER 2000 SQUARE FEET.
THERE IS, ALTHOUGH RETAIL SERVICE INSIDE THE STORE, THERE'S NO NO SEATING, MAJORITY OF THEIR CUSTOMER BASE IS DRIVE THRU.
THIS IS A TRAFFIC EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS SOME IMPROVEMENTS AS TO HOW THEY WILL ADDRESS TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THIS COMMON DRIVEWAY.
THEY ARE PLANNING TO ALLOW TWO LANES FOR EGRESS WITH LEFT TURN, RIGHT TURN AND SINGLE LANE FOR INGRESS TO THE PROPERTY.
THEY ARE PROPOSING SOME STOP BARS AS WELL AS SOME AND STOP SIGNS AT THESE TWO LOCATIONS, AS WELL AS A MARKING ON THE PAVEMENT, IDENTIFYING NO, NO BLOCKING OF THIS AREA.
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THEY ARE PROPOSING A COMMON ACCESS DRIVE CONNECTION TO THE SOUTH THAT WOULD PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY UPON FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.THIS EXHIBIT ALSO SHOWS THE LANE CONFIGURATIONS TO MANAGE DRIVE THRU TRAFFIC STACKING.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
THIS IS NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATION AND EAST AND WEST ELEVATION.
THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE OTHER STORES.
THIS BUILDING WILL BE SIMILAR TO THESE.
THESE ARE THE VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED, THE TYPE OF ROOF FOR BUILDINGS UNDER 6000 SQUARE FEET IN THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY REQUIRES THAT THEY BE A PITCH TYPE ROOF.
THEY ARE PROPOSING A FLAT ROOF WITH PARAPET.
ALSO ON THE MECHANICAL SCREENING FOR ANY PORTION OF THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THAT GOES IN THAT'S NOT SCREENED BY THEIR EXISTING PARAPETS DESIGNED ON THE BUILDING, THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT THAT A VERTICAL SCREENING ELEMENT THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THOSE EXTERIOR MATERIALS BE PERMITTED TO BE INSTALLED AROUND THE EQUIPMENT TO FULLY SCREEN IT FROM THE APPROPRIATE VIEWPOINTS.
ALSO ON THE SOUTH BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS MIXED USE ON THE LAND USE MAP.
HOWEVER, IT IS STILL ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL.
IT REQUIRES THAT A 10 FOOT TYPE F1 BUFFER YARD BE PUT IN PLACE THERE, WHICH INCLUDES AN EIGHT FOOT, FULLY OPAQUE FENCE ALONG THAT BOUNDARY.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO THAT REQUIREMENT AND ADDITIONALLY, WITH REGARD TO THAT PARTICULAR BUFFER YARD DUE TO THE LENGTH OF THE BUFFER YARD AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF EXISTING TREE COVERAGE ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE ASKING FOR REDUCTIONS IN THE CANOPY TREE REQUIREMENTS AND THE ACCENT TREE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT F1 TYPE BUFFER YARD ALONG THE SOUTH BOUNDARY.
ON THE WEST BUFFER YARD ONCE AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND EXISTING TREE COVER.
THEY'RE ASKING TO OFFSET THAT FIVE FOOT TYPE A BUFFER YARD TO RUN ALONG THE OUTER EDGE OF THEIR PARKING AREA OUTSIDE OF THAT TREE COVERED AREA.
ADDITIONALLY, THE EXCUSE ME THE MASTER TRAIL PLAN CALLS FOR AN EIGHT FOOT MINIMUM EIGHT FOOT TRAIL ALONG THE WEST BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY ARE REQUESTING VARIANCE FROM CONSTRUCTING THAT TRAIL, BUT WOULD PROVIDE THE MINIMUM 10 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT SHOULD IT EVER BE CONSTRUCTED.
THIS IS FLOOR PLAN OF THE STORE.
AND JUST ORIENTATION WISE, THIS IS THE EAST FAĆāŖADE, THIS IS AN ENTRY COMING IN OFF THE NORTH PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE BUFFER YARD VARIANCES PERTAIN ALONG THIS AREA THEY'RE PROVIDING TWO CANOPY TREES TOWARDS THE FRONTAGE AND A ROW OF ACCENT TREES ALONG THE BOUNDARY OF THE PARKING AND PAVEMENT EDGE.
THIS IS THE WEST BUFFER YARD FOR WHICH THE OFFSETS BEING REQUESTED INSTALL THAT HERE
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RATHER THAN BACK IN THIS AREA, GIVEN FLOOD PLAIN AND ONCE AGAIN EXISTING TREE COVER THAT EXISTS IN THAT AREA.EXHIBIT OF THE PLANT SCHEDULE AND TREE PRESERVATION.
UTILITY PLAN AND EXHIBIT FOR THE MASTER TRIAL PLAN, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE THE TRIAL REQUIRED ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PROVIDE THE EASEMENT FOR THAT.
WE'VE RECEIVED ONE LETTER IN SUPPORT FROM THE PROPERTY AT 2345 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
OTHERWISE, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
DENNIS, YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT GETTING THE EASEMENT FOR THE MASTER PATHWAYS PLANS.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I HAD, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THIS ITEM THIS EVENING? AND I GUESS PLEASE COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, FOR WHOEVER MIGHT BE SPEAKING.
AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED A PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING.
JUST I THINK MAYBE A BRIEF STATEMENT AND Q&A IS FINE.
I'M WITH BOWMAN CONSULTING AND CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
ADDRESS IS 5601 DEMOCRACY DRIVE IN PLANO, TEXAS.
WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH STAFF THROUGHOUT THE SUBMITTAL.
STAFF'S PRESENTATION COVERED A LOT OF THE ASPECTS OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT I'M ALSO JOINED BY THE DEVELOPERS OF THE HTEAO STORE, SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
I THINK DID YOU ALL COME TO THE QUARTER MEETING A LITTLE WHILE AGO? YES.
I THINK ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME PLANS FOR TXDOT TO PUT A MEDIAN IN THIS ROAD.
DID YOU EVER LOOK INTO THAT OR? WE DID AND WORKING WITH.
AND SIR, DO YOU MIND IF YOU DON'T MIND COME UP? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
TODD [INAUDIBLE] 1245 LAKEWAY DRIVE SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.
THAT WAY, WE CAN GET ALL THIS ON THE RECORD SO YOU CAN COME ANSWER THE.
YEAH, WE WORKED WITH DENNIS ON THAT, AND I THINK WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WE FEEL LIKE THE MEDIAN WHEN THEY IF THEY DO PUT A MEDIAN IN, THEY WILL STILL LEAVE A BREAK IN THE MEDIAN AND THAT THAT IT'S NO GUARANTEE.
BUT WE KIND OF FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THEY WOULD.
I JUST HAD ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION.
DO YOU ALL HAVE AN ELECTRIC EASEMENT KIND OF GOING EAST TO WEST ON THAT PROPERTY JUST SOUTH OF THE? I SEE POWER LINES BECAUSE I SAW YOU ALL HAD TREES ON YOUR PLAN, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT UNDER THE POWER LINE.
SO YEAH, THE POWER LINE AND WE MET WITH THE ENCORE REP UP AT THE SITE LAST WEEK, AND HE'S DEVELOPING SOME OPTIONS FOR US FOR MOVING THOSE POWER LINES BECAUSE THOSE POWER LINES DO RUN RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
OK, WELL, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? THE ONE THAT I HAD WAS, I MEAN, I GUESS, RELATED TO THE REQUESTED VARIANCES.
I THINK THE FIRST AND SECOND ONE IS REGARDING KIND OF ROOFTOP MECHANICALS AND SCREENING.
IT MENTIONED THAT THOSE VERTICAL SCREENING ELEMENTS WOULD BE SHOWN ON THE ELEVATIONS AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SAW THOSE OR DO WE HAVE THOSE DENNIS OR WHAT? [INAUDIBLE] CHAIRMAN.
MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT FROM THE TOP OF THE BUILDING IS A SENSITIVITY, AS I'M SURE YOU COULD UNDERSTAND.
SO I GUESS, CAN YOU MAYBE TALK THROUGH THAT FOR A SECOND? AND THEN I GUESS ALSO MAKE SURE THAT I GUESS DEPENDING ON YOUR ANSWER, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT LEVEL.
I GUESS ASSUMING THIS MOVES ON.
OUR INTENT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE DEVELOP THE MECHANICAL PLAN AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE REFRIGERATION UNITS AND SO FORTH THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT BLOCKED BY THE NATURAL PARAPET OF THE BUILDING, THEN WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE SCREENING UP THERE SO THAT YOU CANNOT VIEW THOSE FROM THE STREET.
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WE DON'T HAVE A RENDERING HERE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE ONE AT THE NEXT LEVEL.YEAH, THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
I THINK WE'LL NOTE THAT IN ANY POTENTIAL MOTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR NOW? WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE THE HEIGHT OF THE PARAPET WALL? IS SHOWN IS FOUR FEET ON THESE ELEVATIONS.
AND THEN JUST BASICALLY FLAT ROOF ON THE OTHER SIDE.
YOU GUYS CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE A SEAT AND WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP HERE IF WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE ON A DELIBERATIONS.
WITH THAT ITEM NUMBER SIX DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING.
ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GET YOUR UP TO THREE MINUTES IF YOU'D LIKE.
SEEING NO ONE, I GUESS I JUST WILL NOTE I KNOW DENNIS DID.
I GUESS THERE WAS ONE COMMENT RECEIVED IN SUPPORT FROM TWENTY THREE FORTY FIVE WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD CAN'T QUITE READ THE NAME, BUT I THINK IT'S A BUSINESS.
SO NOTING THAT FOR THE RECORD, AND I GUESS I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS SEEING NO ONE COMING FORWARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA ZA21-0049.
SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 18TH 2021, FURTHER SUBJECT TO THE REVISED SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED NOVEMBER 18TH 2021 NOTING APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCES REQUESTED AND ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS IN AGREEMENT TO BRING A RENDERING OF SCREENING ON THE MECHANICAL OR FOR THE MECHANICAL ON THE ROOF TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
HOLD THE PHONE HERE FOR A SECOND.
PASSES 7-0 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL, I GUESS, KEN THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? I KNOW WE'VE GOT KIND OF HOLIDAYS COMING UP.
OK, SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT THERE, KEN.
SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU A HEADS UP.
IF YOU CAN GET READY FOR THAT MEETING, THAT'LL BE THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA, ANOTHER SITE PLAN
[7. Consider: ZA21-0085, Site Plan for Crisp and Green, on property described as Lot 1R1, Block 1, W. E. Mayfield Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 2438 E. Southlake Blvd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "C-2" Local Retail Commercial District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING ]
APPROVAL FOR CRISP AND GREEN.THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT TWENTY FOUR THIRTY EIGHT EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.
IT IS REDEVELOPMENT OF A APPROXIMATELY THIRTY ONE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT BANK BUILDING INTO A FAST CASUAL DINING RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THRU SERVICE AND AN OUTDOOR PATIO AREA.
THIS PROPERTY IS REGIONAL RETAIL ON OUR LAND USE PLAN, AND IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED C2 LOCAL RETAIL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.
THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE AND BUILDING TODAY.
A VIEW LOOKING IN A NORTH DIRECTION ACROSS SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AND A VIEW LOOKING SOUTH.
THIS IS THE CURRENTLY APPROVED SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND ELEVATIONS FOR THE BUILDING.
AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
THE APPLICANT WILL CONVERT THE DRIVE THRU AREA AND COVERED LANE INTO A OUTDOOR SEATING AREA FOR THE RESTAURANT, AND WILL RESTART THOSE DRIVE THRU LANES INTO ADDITIONAL PARKING.
THE PASS THROUGH DRIVE HERE THAT I BELIEVE PREVIOUSLY SERVICED THE ATM WILL SERVE JUST AS THAT A PASS THROUGH DRIVE FOR TRAFFIC PARKING IN THIS AREA OR NOT PICKING FOOD UP THROUGH THE DRIVE THRU SERVICE WINDOW.
PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN, THEY'LL BE INSTALLING SOME PLANTERS INTO THE OUTDOOR
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SEATING AREA ALONG THE PERIMETER.AND THEY WILL BE ADDING SOME LANDSCAPE ISLANDS WHERE THEY ARE RE-STRIPPING SOME OF THOSE SPACES THAT CURRENTLY FUNCTION AS DRIVE THRU LANE, THE THERE IS A VARIANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE WHICH I'LL SHOW IN A LATER SLIDE.
GIVEN THE WIDTH OF THESE LANDSCAPE, ISLANDS FOR NEW PARKING THAT'S ADDED TO A SITE MUST MEET THE CURRENT STANDARD, WHICH IS 12 FEET IN WIDTH, AND THESE ARE ABOUT THREE FEET IN WIDTH.
THESE ARE THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
THEY'LL BE PAINTING THE BRICK WHITE AND ADDING SOME STUCCO ELEMENTS TO THAT, AS WELL AS A A METAL ARCHITECTURAL SCREEN THAT WILL BE OFFSET FROM THE BUILDING.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN.
I MIGHT NOTE ON THE DRIVE THRU LANE THEY'RE ADDING SOME PAYMENT CALMING RUMBLE STRIPS, AS WELL AS A RAISED PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY TO FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE FROM RESTAURANT TO PATIO AREA.
THESE ARE SOME RENDERINGS PROPOSED.
AND THE VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS DO NOT MEET THE MINIMUM WIDTH OF THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS THIS ARCHITECTURAL METAL SCREEN THAT'S BEING ADDED.
THE SUPPORT COLUMNS FOR THAT ARE STEEL AND ARE REQUIRED TO BE CLAD IN MASONRY SIMILAR TO THE BUILDING OR BE ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT.
ONCE AGAIN, SITE PHOTOS OF THE BUILDING AS IT CURRENTLY LOOKS, AND WE'VE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? DENNIS IS THE MATERIAL FOR THE CLAD, THE IRON OR METAL CLAD THAT'S GOING OUT IN FRONT OF WHERE THE DRIVE ISLES.
IS IT SIMILAR TO THE CLADDING, IF YOU REMEMBER? MAYBE IT WAS A BLOCK EAST OF THIS OR TWO BLOCKS EAST OF THIS WHERE WE HAD WHAT WAS IT, THOMASVILLE THAT'S CHANGING TO POTENTIALLY NEW TENANT, AND THEY WANTED SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.
AND IT SORT OF DISRUPTED THE FLOW OF IT.
IS IT THE SAME TYPE OF MATERIAL? THAT I DON'T.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALMOST SLATS.
IN THAT PICTURE THAT YOU'VE GOT UP THERE RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S SOLID.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT A SIGN, DENNIS.
NO, [INAUDIBLE] OR NO MR. COMMISSIONER.
OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DENNIS WOULD YOU BACK TO THE SLIDE ON THE TWO VARIANCES, PLEASE? WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE ON THE VARIANCES, PLEASE? SURE.
I'D LIKE SOME SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT LAST ONE.
THE STRUCTURE IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS THERE, IS THERE A REASON THAT IT'S NOT BEING CLAD IN MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE BUILDING? IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DIRECT THE QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT? PERHAPS.
YEAH, I THINK THE THE APPLICANT CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER MORE DETAILS ON THE EXACT MAKEUP OF THAT MATERIAL.
AND IT'S TECHNICALLY SEPARATED FROM THE BUILDING, SO IT'S NOT REALLY AFFECTED BY THE SCREEN STRUCTURE ITSELF ISN'T NECESSARILY AFFECTED BY THE MASONRY ORDINANCE, BUT THE COLUMNS ARE JUST BY WAY OF THE CORRIDOR REGULATIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF RIGHT NOW? NO, THANK YOU DENNIS, IS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ITEM HERE THIS EVENING?
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SAME AS BEFORE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, IF YOU'LL BE SPEAKING AND IF YOU HAVE KIND OF A BRIEF OPENING COMMENT, PLEASE FEEL FREE.OTHERWISE WE CAN JUST KIND OF GET INTO QUESTIONS.
MY NAME IS HANK QUIGG WITH THE RICHMOND GROUP AT 12200 SIMMONS FREEWAY IN DALLAS, TEXAS ARCHITECT.
BLAKE GRAVES 2900 MCKINNON STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, AND I AM OWNER OF THE FRANCHISEE HERE IN DALLAS FOR CRISP AND GREEN.
I GUESS MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE IF YOU GUYS WANT TO JUMP IN FIRST AND ADDRESS MAYBE SOME OF THOSE INITIAL QUESTIONS, I THINK WERE SOME ABOUT THE FAĆāŖADE OR I DON'T KNOW COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER, IF YOU WANT TO OR SPRINGER OR WHOEVER WANTS TO MAYBE RESTATE THEIR QUESTION, WE CAN KIND OF MAKE SURE IT GETS ADDRESSED.
I GUESS THE MAIN QUESTION IS WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT TO USE THE MASONRY CLAD COLUMNS RATHER THAN JUST THE PLAIN STEEL OTHER THAN COST? IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH IT'S A STEEL TRELLIS.
I'M GOING TO CALL IT A STEEL TRELLIS THAT WITH WITH SLATS THAT YOU MENTIONED, AND WHEN WE DO THE BRICK, IT MAKES THOSE COLUMNS TOO BULKY.
THEY DON'T REALLY FIT WITH THE DESIGN OF THE TRELLIS, WHICH IS WHY WE DID NOT DO IT IN THIS CASE.
WE ARE PUTTING PLANTERS DOWN ON THE GROUND THAT ARE BRICK.
THAT KIND OF HELP SOFTEN THAT HARD COLUMN EDGE THAT WE HAVE.
BUT THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT KIND OF BLENDS WITH THE TRELLIS MORE THAN IT DOES WITH ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST A CHEAP STEEL.
AND THEN IS THIS JUST PURELY TO COVER THE, YOU KNOW, THE PITCHED ROOF? AND IS THAT THE CONCEPT FOR IT? IT'S THE YEAH, YOU COULD SAY IT'S TO COVER THE PITCH GROUP, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST TO KIND OF GIVE A DIFFERENT APPEARANCE FROM THE TRYING TO PULL AWAY FROM THE BANK LOOK SO MUCH THAT BUILDING IS, AS YOU KNOW, VERY 1990S BANK AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING THAT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE UPDATED AND NEWER AND FRESHER.
THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS WANT TO BE REPHRASED OR EVERYBODY'S OKAY.
YEAH, I KNOW THIS BUILDING AS YOU STATED HAS BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE AND I THINK WE'RE IT'D BE NICE TO THEORETICALLY FIND A A FRESH AND LOOK FOR IT IN JUST AN UPDATED USE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S BEEN SITTING FOR A WHILE.
I GUESS MY MY MAIN QUESTION AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T IF ONE OR BOTH OF YOU WERE THERE FOR THE CORRIDOR MEETING, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU REMEMBER WE WENT KIND OF ROUND AND ROUND ABOUT THE LAYOUT AND SAFETY CONCERNS, AND I THOUGHT WE KIND OF ENDED ON SEEING KIND OF AN ALTERNATE VERSION THAT DID NOT KIND OF HAVE THE AUTO PEDESTRIAN CONFLICT POINT THAT THIS ONE DID.
IN FACT, YOU KNOW, READING THROUGH THE NOTES AGAIN, I SAW, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER LEPP KIND OF SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR THAT.
SO I MEAN, I GUESS MAYBE MAYBE WE CAN START WITH IF YOU CAN JUST KIND OF TALK THROUGH AFTER THE CORRIDOR MEETING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BASED ON THAT CONVERSATION, HOW DID YOU KIND OF ADDRESS IT OR WHAT DID YOU LOOK AT AND HOW DID WE KIND OF END UP BACK HERE AGAIN? YEAH, SO GREAT, GREAT QUESTION, MR. KUBIAK, WE WE ADDRESS A LOT OF THAT WHEN WE WENT BACK TO THE SPIN MEETING JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
SO WE SHOWED TO STAFF MULTIPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR DIFFERENT SITE PLANS, DIFFERENT RENDERINGS ON THE OUTSIDE.
WE SHOWED IT WITHOUT THE STEEL COLUMNS ON THERE OR THE STEEL FAĆāŖADE.
WE SHOWED IT WITH A DIFFERENT SITE PLAN AND ULTIMATELY WE CAME BACK TO THIS ONE.
WE DID GIVE STAFF SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT MORE SAFE.
I KNOW THAT YOU'RE DEFINITELY RIGHT AND YOU WERE AT THAT BOTH.
AND HANK AND I WERE BOTH AT THAT MEETING, AND IT WAS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE TOUCH POINTS THERE.
SO WE HAVE MORE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO STAFF ON HOW TO ALLEVIATE THAT AND HOW TO MAKE THAT VERY SAFE.
AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
SO I THINK IF YOU WERE TO SEE MORE OF THE FURTHER PRESENTATION, YOU FIND THAT.
I MEAN, ARE THERE OTHER ADJUSTMENTS YOU CAN MAKE TO THIS PRESENTATION OR THIS SITE PLAN VERSION? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING BEYOND JUST RUMBLE STRIPS, BUT MAYBE IT'S A FLASHING LIGHT WHEN THERE'S A CAR THERE OR JUST, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST YOU'RE CREATING KIND OF A VERY NATURAL, DANGEROUS CONFLICT POINT.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN DO TOO MUCH TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THAT.
MR. KUBIAK, YOU BRING UP A GREAT POINT.
SO FOR OUR PRESENTATION FOR COUNCIL, IF WE MADE TO THAT POINT, I ACTUALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON SITE.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THAT EXIT FROM THERE, IF YOU LEAVE THERE, THERE'S A GAP IN BETWEEN WHERE THE BUILDING IS AND WHERE THE CROSSWALK WOULD BE.
AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO LOOKED INTO OPTIONS AND WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ON.
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IT'S NOT A BLINKING SIGN PER SAY, BUT WHEN IT IS MOTION ACTIVATED, THERE IS A PEDESTRIAN COMING ACROSS THAT DOES LIGHT UP.WE DON'T WANT THAT TO BE ALWAYS ON AND BE STATIC AND WHITE NOISE.
WE WANT THAT TO GRAB SOMEONE'S ATTENTION IF YOU KNOW THERE'S A CHILD THAT CROSSES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THOSE ARE ALL IN THERE AND WE HAVE ALL THOSE OPTIONS READY TO PRESENT.
OK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AT A MINIMUM, I THINK THAT'S MAYBE SOMETHING WE'D NOTE IN A MOTION THAT THERE'S BETTER ILLUSTRATION OF THAT, BETTER DESCRIPTION OF THAT, JUST MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND I MEAN, I THINK PARTICULARLY SINCE AT LEAST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER AND I KNOW THERE WERE OTHERS AT THAT MEETING, BUT AT LEAST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER CALLED OUT AT LEAST SEEING AN ALTERNATE VERSION.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S YOUR PLAN A OR NOT, YOU SHOULD BRING THAT AND BE READY TO TALK ABOUT IT, MAYBE EVEN THE PROS AND CONS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S CONTEXT.
THEY'LL ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS A BETTER OPTION THAN SOMETHING ELSE.
GREAT FEEDBACK ALREADY PREPARED.
SO WE'LL PUT THOSE IN THOSE PRESENTATIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ONE? OK.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA DOES CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYBODY LIKE TO COME FORWARD? COMMENT ON THIS ITEM AND SEEING NO ONE, ALTHOUGH HEARING SOME PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE GALLERY WHO MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, BUT BUT YES, THEY'RE WAITING FOR SIGN BOARD.
BUT SEEING NO ONE, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I'M VERY UNDERSTANDING AND SUPPORTIVE OF TRYING TO MODERNIZE THIS BUILDING AND GET IT USED FOR A LOT OF REASONS, BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD WANT THOSE TWO ITEMS NOTED IN THE MOTION THAT BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE SAFETY CONDITIONS AND WHAT AN ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I HONESTLY, I KIND OF STRUGGLE WITH IT.
I STRUGGLE WITH IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY ELSE THINKS.
YEAH, I WISH THOSE OPTIONS HAD BEEN SHARED WITH US, RIGHT? SO THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME, SOME INSIGHT INTO THAT.
I LOVE THE CLEANED UP LOOK OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT AND THE CONCEPT.
BUT YEAH, IT'S IT'S HARD TO ADVOCATE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S SUCH A GLARING POTENTIAL PROBLEM.
ANY OTHER IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SANTA AND HIS ELVES ARE OUT FOYER HERE.
SEE IF HE COMES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I'M I'M AGREEING WITH YOU ON THE THE DRIVE THRU, AS IS THE PART THAT BUGS ME BECAUSE A RUMBLE STRIP, I MEAN, HOPEFULLY THE CAR IS NOT GOING TO BE GOING FAST ENOUGH FOR A RUMBLE STRIP TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE RIGHT THERE RIGHT BEFORE IT, YOU KNOW, CROSSES THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK.
AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BEING AROUND WENDY'S AND SOUTHLAKE HERE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHERE THEY HAVE A DOOR THAT COMES OFF AND GOES OUT TO THE PARKING.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES THAT I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE MUNCHING ON THEIR FRENCH FRIES AS THEY'RE DRIVING OUT THE CAR, DRIVING OUT, NOT EVEN LOOKING THROUGH THE WINDSHIELD.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WITH WHATEVER THEIR FARE IS HERE, SALADS OR WHATEVER, THAT WON'T BE QUITE AS TEMPTING.
BUT I MEAN, JUST IT JUST LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT IT'S JUST GOT A LOT OF A LOT OF INHERENT RISK.
I WOULD JUST SAY I WOULD ECHO THE SAME COMMENTS.
I MEAN, I WAS AT THE CORRIDOR MEETING, AND I THINK WE'RE JUST HAVING THE SAME DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD THERE, AND IT'S A LITTLE FRUSTRATING THAT THEY WOULD COME AND NOT HAVE ANY ALTERNATE OPTIONS FOR US TO CONSIDER BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE JUST ALL COMING BACK TO THE SAME CONCLUSIONS THAT WE DID AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD AT CORRIDOR.
SO ALTHOUGH I THINK I LIKE SALADS AND I THINK THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN, I DO HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
SO MAYBE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IS AND OBVIOUSLY I DON'T KNOW THE FUNCTIONALITY OR THE SITE CIRCULATION, BUT IF YOU HAD THE DRIVE THRU ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, SO I GUESS THE NORTH SIDE SO THAT IT'S CIRCULATING AROUND AND THEN YOU'RE MOVING THE PATIO CLOSER INTO THE BUILDING ENVELOPE AND THEN THEY TOTALLY AVOID THIS.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING CREATIVE LIKE THAT I THINK WOULD BE PRETTY INTERESTING [INAUDIBLE] ROTHMEIER DID YOU HAVE? YEAH, I ACTUALLY WAS.
YOU WENT BEYOND WHERE I WAS THINKING I WAS ACTUALLY LOOKING AND TRYING TO MOVE IT BACK ON THE DRIVE AREA, BUT LEAVE THE DRIVE THAT I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA.
IF THERE'S A WAY TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT TAKES THE TRAFFIC AROUND THE BUILDING AND KEEPS A CONTINUOUS LOOP AROUND, AND DOES SEAL THE ENVELOPE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE RUMBLE STRIPS ARE GOING TO DO MUCH THAT SIX OR EIGHT FEET PEOPLE DRIVE AWAY, WHETHER THEY'RE MUNCHING ON SOMETHING OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW THE VISIBILITY OF THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER THING I THINK YOU NEED TO ADDRESS IS AS YOU PULL AWAY FROM THAT DRIVE THRU, ARE YOU LOOKING THROUGH GLASS WHERE THE PEDESTRIANS CAN BE OR YOU'RE
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NOT GOING TO SEE A PEDESTRIAN UNTIL YOU GET TO THE RUMBLE STRIP? SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT MOVING, THE POSSIBILITY OF MOVING THE DRIVE THRU TO THE BACK AND KEEPING THAT AS A CIRCULAR DRIVE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.WELL, I MEAN, I THINK OBVIOUSLY WE GOT A FEW WAYS WE COULD GO HERE.
I GUESS, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY I MIGHT BE SUPPORTIVE OF IS JUST KNOWING WE'VE GOT THE HOLIDAYS COMING UP.
WE'VE HAVE ONE MORE COUNCIL MEETING BEFORE, I GUESS MID-JANUARY, EARLY MID JANUARY.
I COULD VOTE TO MOVE THIS ALONG OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL IF IT WAS CONTINGENT UPON AT LEAST ONE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN BEING SUBMITTED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW.
YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY IN THE THEME OF WHAT WAS JUST OUTLINED WITH MAYBE MOVING THE DRIVE THRU AREA TO THE, I GUESS, WOULD BE THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THEN ALSO INCLUDING SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE SAFETY ASPECTS OF THIS SITE PLAN.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GIVING CITY COUNCIL THE OPTIONS THAT THEY ASKED FOR AT CORRIDOR REVIEW AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
AND I THINK AT THAT POINT WE'D BE GIVING THEM THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.
AND I THINK HOPEFULLY THE APPLICANT WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE MOVED ALONG AT CITY COUNCIL UNLESS YOU BRING MORE INFORMATION WITH YOU.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ME, BUT YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU GUYS THINK, OK, I MEAN, DO YOU THINK YOU CAN KIND OF CAPTURE THAT IN A MOTION? OK.
I GUESS WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THAT THEN.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA ZA21-0085 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 12TH 2021.
ALSO SUBJECT TO PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED NOVEMBER 12TH 2021 APPROVING THE VARIANCES REQUESTING AND REQUESTED AND MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION CONTINGENT UPON THE APPLICANT BRINGING TO CITY COUNCIL BETTER ILLUSTRATIONS OF THE CURRENT SITE PLAN WITH THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK AND SAFETY FEATURES AND THEN ALSO CONTINGENT UPON THE APPLICANT BRINGING ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS, PRIMARILY SHOWING THE ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS OF THE DRIVE THRU AND SAFETY ASPECTS RELATED TO THOSE ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS OF THE DRIVE THRU.
GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL, AND AGAIN, THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND KIND OF WATCH SOME OF THE FEEDBACK IF YOU NEED TO.
BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY DO SOME MORE HOMEWORK TO BE READY FOR THAT, THAT MEETING.
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SO THANK YOU.NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT AND NINE TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY'RE EFFECTIVELY ALL, BOTH INTERRELATED, WHICH IS A ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR THE DRAGON STADIUM BOUNDARY, AS WELL AS ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR THE MULTISPORT TRAINING FACILITY.
SO WITH THAT, DENNIS, YOU MIND KICKING US OFF? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THESE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED AT 2311 CROOKED LANE, 1085 SOUTH KIMBALL AVENUE AND 2320 DEAN WAY.
THE FIRST ITEM, AS YOU MENTIONED, IS A ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN TO RESET THE DISTRICT BOUNDARY FOR THE DRAGON STADIUM.
THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS THEIR INTENT TO CONVEY OFF A SMALL STRIP LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IN RELATION TO THE SECOND ITEM, WHICH IS A ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN TO DEVELOP AN INDOOR OUTDOOR MULTISPORT COMPLEX.
THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTIES ARE INDUSTRIAL AND PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC AND THE CURRENT ZONING ARE SP1 FOR THE DRAGON STADIUM AND AGRICULTURAL FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AS WELL AS PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2320 DEAN WAY IS CURRENTLY SP2 ZONING.
THAT PROPERTY WILL REMAIN UNDER THAT SP2 ZONING AND THE PURPOSE OF ITS INCLUSION IS FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A DRIVEWAY THROUGH THROUGH THAT PORTION OF THE
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PROPERTY ONTO DEAN WAY.THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE SITE.
THE RED BOUNDARY SHOWS ALL THE PROPERTIES INCLUDED.
THE DASHED YELLOW BOUNDARY SHOWS THE PROPERTY SUBJECT WITH REGARDS TO THE SITE PLAN AND THEN ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR THE SPORT COMPLEX.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR DRAGON STADIUM.
CURRENTLY, DRAGON STADIUM ZONED SP1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT, WHICH INCLUDES THE STADIUM PROPERTY AS WELL AS A DETENTION AREA ACROSS SILICON DRIVE.
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY HAVE ENTERED INTO AGREEMENT TO PURSUE CONVEYANCE OF THIS PIECE AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT AND SUCCEED THIS OUT OF THE ZONING, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS AMENDING THAT ZONING TO RESET THE BOUNDARIES AND COVERAGES, LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND BUFFER YARDS BASED ON ELIMINATION OF THAT PROPERTY FROM THEIR CURRENT SP1 DISTRICT BOUNDARY.
AS PART OF THAT, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO ALLOW ALL TREE PRESERVATION AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON THE STADIUM PROPERTY AND ALLOW ALL BUFFER YARDS AS THEY CURRENTLY EXIST ON THE ON THE PROPERTY.
THEY WILL BE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTY TO SHARE CROSS ACCESS AND PARKING DURING THEIR EVENTS, AND RECIPROCALLY WITH THE SPORT COMPLEX BEING PERMITTED TO USE THEIR PARKING DURING DURING EVENTS.
ADDITIONALLY, AS PART OF THE SCHOOL ZONING APPLICATION, A VARIANCE TO THE BUFFER YARD OR EXCUSE ME, LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE TO ELIMINATE THAT PARTICULAR AREA OUT OF THE DISTRICT AND ALLOW EVERYTHING TO EXIST AS IT WOULD WITH THAT PROPERTY NOT BEING PART OF THE BOUNDARY ANY LONGER.
THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SPORT COMPLEX 2 311, AND THE SCHOOL PORTION OF PROPERTY THAT'S BEING ADDED TO THIS WOULD BE RESOUND IN THIS AREA TO SP1 WITH WITH APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST, A 2320'S BEEN INCLUDED.
AS FOR SITE PLANNING PURPOSES, IN ORDER TO GET APPROVAL OF A DRIVEWAY TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN THIS AREA, THE INTENT IS FOR THIS OWNER TO PROCESS ALONG WITH THE APPLICANT A PLAT REVISION THAT WOULD SUBSEQUENT TO APPROPRIATE ZONING APPROVAL, OF COURSE, AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO REPLAT THIS PROPERTY AND DESIGNATE THIS AREA AS A COMMON AREA, COMMON ACCESSES EASEMENT DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENT.
AND THEY WOULD CONVEY THAT TO THIS OWNER TO PRIMARILY PROVIDE DRIVEWAY ACCESS AS WELL AS UTILITY AND DRAINAGE CONNECTIONS.
THIS IS A VIEW OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA, THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY WOULD COME IN AND MEANDER THROUGH THIS AREA AND CONNECT SOMEWHERE IN THIS VICINITY.
SPACING SEPARATION OF THESE IS TO BE 100 FEET CENTER LINE TO CENTER LINE.
WOULD OTHERWISE REMAIN AS IT CURRENTLY IS.
THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND PROPOSED FUTURE EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY DRIVEWAY FOR THE STADIUM COMPLEX ON CROOKED LANE, WHICH IS LOOKING IN A SOUTHEASTERLY DIRECTION ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF CROOKED LANE.
ONCE AGAIN, A VIEW LOOKING SOUTH FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTY ALONG CROOKED LINE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR THE INDOOR OUTDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX.
THIS STRUCTURE HERE WOULD BE A THREE FILLED INDOOR MULTISPORT COMPLEX.
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THE CONSTRUCTION OF WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR.IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH BICENTENNIAL INDOOR TENNIS FACILITY AT BICENTENNIAL PARK, THIS AREA HERE WOULD BE OUTDOOR SPORTS FIELD.
THESE ARE THE LISTED ITEMS UNDER THE SP1 ZONING FOR WHICH THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THEY'RE PROPOSING ALTERNATE BUFFER YARDS ALONG THE EAST BOUNDARY, WHERE A 10 FOOT TYPE D IS REQUIRED.
THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT BE CHANGED TO 10 FOOT TYPE A, WHICH IS TYPICALLY THE BUFFER YARD THAT'S REQUIRED DURING BETWEEN SIMILAR USES.
THE WEST BUFFER YARD IS ALSO PROPOSED AS AS A TYPE D, EXCUSE ME, A TYPE D BUFFER YARD AS PROPOSED ALONG THE NORTH BOUNDARY.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHERE A F2 BUFFER YARD IS TYPICALLY REQUIRED, THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT TO BE A TYPE D WITH A EIGHT FOOT BOARD ON BOARD FENCE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
ON FAĆāŖADE ARTICULATION, ALBEIT THE HOUSE BILL APPROVED TWO LEGISLATURES AGO, PREEMPTS THAT THEY'RE WRITING IN A REGULATION THAT ARTICULATION OF THAT BUILDING BE SHOWN AS THE ELEVATIONS REPRESENT THEM.
AS FAR AS HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT IT NOT EXCEED 45 FEET IN HEIGHT, WHICH THE BASE I1 DISTRICT REGULATIONS FOR WHICH THEY'RE MODELING UNDER ARE TYPICALLY 35 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THEY'RE REQUESTING SPORTS FIELD LIGHTING BE UP TO A HEIGHT OF 60 FEET.
UNDER THE I1 BASE REGULATIONS, TYPICAL MAXIMUM IS 80 PERCENT.
FOR THAT DISTRICT, THEY'RE PROPOSING 87 PERCENT, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT NO LOADING SPACES OFF STREET LOADING SPACES BE REQUIRED.
ON THE SOUTH BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE OUTDOOR SPORTS FIELDS.
THEY'RE PROPOSING A REGULATION THAT WOULD ALLOW A 25 FOOT NETTING STRUCTURE TO BE PLACED ALONG THAT BOUNDARY.
THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING A PERMITTED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CONSISTING OF A PAINTED METAL STORAGE CONTAINER LOCATED JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE CONCESSION AND AND PRO RETAIL SHOP.
THIS WOULD JUST ALSO BE TO THE WEST OF THE OUTDOOR FIELD AREA AND ITS SIZE BEING APPROXIMATELY EIGHT FOOT BY NINE AND A HALF FOOT IN HEIGHT AND TWENTY FOUR FEET IN LENGTH .
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PRESERVE 3.8 PERCENT OF THE THIRTY FOUR POINT EIGHT PERCENT OF EXISTING TREE COVERAGE, TYPICALLY IN A STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH THIS BEING AN SP1, IT IS SUBJECT TO DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL WOULD TYPICALLY BE 60 PERCENT.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BE ALLOWED A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH DRAGON STADIUM FOR EVENTS THAT WOULD EXCEED THEIR OWN SITE PARKING.
AND IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THEY'VE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL ON THAT SHARED PARKING AND RECIPROCAL ACCESS.
AS PART OF THE REGULATIONS THEY'VE LISTED THEIR TYPICAL HOURS OF OPERATION MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY 10, 2 TO 10 P.M., FRIDAY TO 2 P.M.
THE ONLY PERMITTED USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ARE THE INDOOR OUTDOOR SPORTS FIELD,
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A CHECK IN AND RESTROOM FACILITY, A CONCESSION, A PRO SHOP, BATTING CAGES.THERE IS AN AREA ALLOCATED ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WOULD PERMIT A FOOD TRUCK CONCESSION TO SET UP AND THEN A EQUIPMENT STORAGE CONTAINER, WHICH WAS MENTIONED EARLIER AS A PERMITTED ACCESSORY.
VARIANCES ARE ALSO REQUESTED WITH REGARDS TO OUTDOOR SPORTS FIELD LIGHTING UNDER THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE.
THE MAXIMUM FOOT CANDLE FOR HORIZONTAL LIGHTING MEASUREMENTS IS 20 FOOT CANDLES AND FOR THE SPORTS FIELD LIGHTING, THEY'RE NEEDING THAT TO REACH UP TO 75 FOOT CANDLES.
ALSO ON THE SOUTH BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY, THEY ARE EXCEEDING THE SPILLOVER LIGHTING INTO THE ADJACENT SP2 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
THEY ARE REACHING, IN SOME CASES, 16 FOOT CANDLES WHERE THE MAXIMUM IS FIVE FOR FIVE FOOT CANDLES FOR BOTH HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL LIGHTING MEASUREMENTS.
ON LIGHTING TYPE LED LIGHTING IS PERMITTED.
HOWEVER, IT'S REQUIRED TO BE AT OR BELOW A 4300 KELVIN TEMPERATURE RANGE, AND THEIR LIGHTING IS PROPOSED AT APPROXIMATELY 57 HUNDRED KELVIN.
AND THEN THERE IS ALSO A REGULATION PROVIDED FOR INTENSITY OF LUMINANCE, WHICH IS A PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE, AND LOOKING AT THE LIGHTING SOURCE AS TO WHAT THE INTENSITY OF THAT LIGHT IS.
AND ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY, AGAIN, THAT IS REACHING APPROXIMATELY NINE POINT ONE AND THE MAXIMUM IS 0.5.
WITH REGARDS TO THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE, THEY ARE ASKING FOR A REDUCTION IN REQUIRED ACCENT TREES FOR INTERIOR ACCENT OR ACCENT TREE PROVISIONS.
MINIMUM REQUIRED IS 28 AND THEY'RE PROPOSING EIGHT BE PROVIDED.
THESE ARE THE RENDERED PERSPECTIVES OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS LIGHT FIXTURES.
AND ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S A SPLIT FACE BLOCK ALONG THE LOWER PORTION OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING IS A TENSION FABRIC.
AND THIS IS THE CONCESSION AND PRO SHOP FACILITY.
AND THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE RESPONSE IN REGARD TO BOTH CASES IN OPPOSITION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER LOCATED JUST TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE PROPERTY ON OUR SOUTHWEST OF THE PROPERTY ON DEAN WAY.
THAT'S TWENTY THREE TWENTY FIVE DEAN WAY.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS? DENNIS, WHICH SIDE OF THE OF THE PROPERTY IS THE OUTDOOR FIELDS ON AGAIN? ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE INDUSTRIAL BASED ZONE PROPERTY.
YEAH, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS NOTING FROM.
THIS ONE ALSO WENT THROUGH CORRIDOR, WHICH I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE PERFECT APPLICATION, BUT THE APPLICANT DID MAKE SOME CHANGES RELATIVE TO THE
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FEEDBACK THEY GOT THERE, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE CAME FROM FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER MCCASKILL ABOUT FLIPPING IT AND PUTTING THE LIGHTED FARTHER AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL.AND IN THE TWEAK THEY MADE AT THE ACCESS POINT ONTO CROOKED, CUTTING THAT OFF EMERGENCY ONLY.
SO THEY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT I THINK THEY DID TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF OUR COMMENTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OK, GOOD FOR NOW, IS THE APPLICANT HERE ON THIS ONE? THINK YOU'VE SEEN THE ROUTINE BY NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU'RE [INAUDIBLE].
GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS JOHN BLACKER.
I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER AT 12801 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY IN DALLAS.
I'M JOHN DAVIS AND WE'RE THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS, AND WE'RE AT 928 PARKVIEW LANE IN SOUTHLAKE.
I GUESS I'LL OPEN IT UP TO SOME OF MY COMMISSIONERS FIRST.
I GUESS, FIRST OF ALL, IS A COMMENT.
THIS IS A FACILITY THAT, BASED ON THE SUMMARY OF VARIANCES THAT DENNIS JUST READ TO US, LOOKS LIKE IT'S PROPOSED FOR THE WRONG PLACE.
AND YOU KNOW, MY BACKGROUND AS A SCHOOL BOARD TRUSTEE AS THE BOARD VOTED TO CONVEY THE LAND TO THE DEVELOPER.
OK, SECOND QUESTION I'VE GOT RELATES TO SPILLAGE, HAVING SAT THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO ABOUT BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FIELDS.
IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU CAN'T PUT LIGHTING IN THAT WILL ADDRESS THE SAME CONSIDERATIONS THAT THE FOLKS IN STONE LAKES AND OTHER AREAS HAD ABOUT SPILLAGE FROM BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FIELDS SO THAT YOU CAN MINIMIZE THAT SOMEWHAT? ON THE ON THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
IS THAT THE AREA OF CONCERN? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR THE.
YEAH, I'M TALKING IN SPILLAGE IN GENERAL BECAUSE AS I LOOK AT THE LIST OF VARIANCES AS DENNIS WRITE DOWN IT, EVERYTHING IS.
I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT I HAD THAT ON SILENT.
I'M SURE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IN GENERAL WHY EVERYTHING THAT'S LISTED ON THAT PAGE EXCEEDS CITY STANDARDS CITY ORDINANCE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
WE'RE WORKING WITH [INAUDIBLE] AS OUR LIGHTING CONSULTANT AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON ON REFOCUSING THOSE LIGHTS AND THEN WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
THE ISSUE THAT WE'VE GOT IS THAT THE FIELD IS SO CLOSE TO THAT SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
IN ORDER TO KEEP THE FIELDS LIT THE WAY WE NEED, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET DOWN TO THE POINT FIVE FOOT CANDLES ON THAT SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE ON THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE ONLY.
THE OTHER PROPERTY LINES, I BELIEVE, ARE OK.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR VARIANCES ON THOSE.
SO IT DOESN'T GET OVER INTO THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE NORTH? NO.
SO I GUESS I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT AS YOU GO TO COUNCIL, YOU ADDRESS YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH [INAUDIBLE] AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING SO THAT INSTEAD OF JUST LISTING A LAUNDRY LIST OF VARIANCES AND EXCEPTIONS TO CITY ORDINANCE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT YOU HAVE A SOLUTION FOR HOW YOU ADDRESS THOSE AND THE FACT THAT YOU FLIP THE FIELDS AND YOU'RE NOT IMPACTED RESIDENTS, CERTAINLY IS A POSITIVE.
THE STORAGE CONTAINER MATERIALS.
IS THERE A REASON THAT THE STORAGE CONTAINER MATERIALS INSTEAD OF BEING A METAL SHED COULDN'T MIRROR THOSE OF THE TRAINING FACILITY ITSELF THAT THAT YOU SHOWED? YEAH, WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THE STORAGE CONTAINER.
OUR PLAN IS TO PAINT IT, SO IT ACTUALLY LOOKS ESTHETICALLY REALLY NICE, BUT IT'S IT'S JUST THE RIGHT SIZE AND SHAPE AND EFFICIENCY WE FELT FOR IT TO BE DOWN IN THAT LOWER FIELD AREA FOR PUTTING ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT INTO IT.
BUT WE HAVEN'T WE HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THE IDEA OF MATCHING IT OR DO ANYTHING THAT WAS SIMILAR TO THE BUILDING.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST METAL IS METAL.
I THINK THE MORE THAT YOU INTEGRATE THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS AS THE BUILDING ITSELF, I THINK THAT MAYBE GETS RID OF SOME OF THE OPPOSITION THAT FOLKS MIGHT HAVE.
IT GETS RID OF WHAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CONSIDERATION OF PUTTING A METAL.
I'M SORRY, A METAL SHED SOMEWHERE.
THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD THIS IS TALKED ABOUT AS A TRAINING CENTER.
AND YET I HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT SHARED PARKING FOR EVENTS.
WHAT TYPES OF EVENTS DO YOU ANTICIPATE BEING HELD IN THIS FACILITY? AND THEN I'M DONE, BY THE WAY.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY QUESTIONS.
YEAH, I KNOW THE PRIMARY USE IS IT'S A MULTISPORT TRAINING FACILITY, AND SO THAT WILL INVOLVE COACHES, TEAMS, CLINICS, SHOWCASES.
BUT WHAT WE DO SEE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IS FROM TIME TO TIME THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, HOSTING SMALL SEVEN V SEVEN TOURNAMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE FIVE FIELDS THAT WOULD BE OF
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EQUAL SIZE.WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S USUALLY EITHER SHORT SIGHTED BOX SIDED LACROSSE OR IT'S A IT'S A YOUNGER GROUP OF ATHLETES THAT KIDS THE YOUNGER ONES.
IF THEY'RE OLDER, THEN YOU REDUCE THAT TO A MORE OF A FOUR BY FOUR OR FIVE BY FIVE.
BUT WE HAVE CURRENTLY ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY EIGHT PARKING SPACES IDENTIFIED WE BY WAY OF OUR CONTRACT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD BE CONNECTING DRAGON STADIUM TO OUR PARKING LOT.
THAT WOULD HAVE A GATE THAT'S CONTROLLED LIKE YOU WOULD SEE AT THE END OF DEAN WAY, WHERE IT COMES DOWN TO GOES INTO THE BUS AREA.
WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS IS THAT MOST LIKELY WOULD OPEN UP ON FRIDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL GAMES AND PLAYOFF SEASON AND WE'D BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND THEN WHAT THE THAT LARGE PARKING LOT IS ALSO USED FOR IS THEY DO RENT THAT.
AND SO YOU CAN RENT BY THE WAY OF NUMBER OF SPACES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID HAVE A TOURNAMENT AND WE WERE GOING TO EXCEED ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY EIGHT, THEN WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM ON RENTING, YOU KNOW, THAT PORTION FROM THEM, HOWEVER MANY SPACES THAT WE MIGHT NEED.
I GUESS REAL QUICK WHILE YOU'RE ON THAT TOPIC, I GUESS THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION IS EXACTLY HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
I SEE [INAUDIBLE] MATT MILLER OUT THERE, WHO I'M SURE CAN HELP US WITH THIS, BUT JUST HOW IT WILL WORK IN TERMS OF LIKE, WHO'S ACTUALLY UNLOCKING IT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE AN AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, WHO'S ACTUALLY DOING IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOING IT WHENEVER YOU YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A TOURNAMENT, YOU JUST DO IT YOURSELF.
DO YOU CHECK WITH THEM? JUST IT SOUNDS SIMPLE, IDEAL, YOU KNOW, HIGH LEVEL, BUT JUST HOW IT ACTUALLY WOULD WORK.
AND SO I GUESS IF YOU DON'T MIND COMMENTING ON THAT AND YOU KNOW, THE ROUTINE FROM.
MATT MILLER IS A SUPERINTENDENT CARROLL ISD 2400 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.
SURE, WE'VE BEEN IN LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.
WE ENVISION IT A LOT LIKE IT AT DEAN WAY, DEAN WAY.
I THINK IN MY NINE YEARS IN THIS ROLE HAVE ONLY UNLOCKED IT TWICE FOR WHEN WE NEEDED ACCESS ON BIG PLAYOFF GAMES.
I DON'T EVEN REALLY ENVISION US NEEDING THAT FOR EGRESS OUT ON FRIDAY NIGHT GAMES UNLESS WE HAVE A HUGE PLAYOFF GAME TYPE SCENARIO.
SO I THINK IT'D BE RARE THAT THAT WOULD BE UNLOCKED FOR US UNLESS WE REALLY NEEDED THAT PARKING SPACE FOR A HUGE EVENT.
FOR MR. DAVIS HERE, I SEE PROBABLY MORE AVENUES FOR HIM TO UNLOCK IT, BUT I THINK IT'D BE VERY LIMITED KEY ACCESS, VERY LIMITED OPENING OF THE GATE AT ALL.
I'LL BE VERY SIMILAR TO DEAN WAY, PROBABLY.
SO THAT I GUESS THAT'S WHERE THE APPLICANT WOULD REACH OUT TO THE DISTRICT TO STATE AHEAD OF TIME.
I GUESS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A TOURNAMENT ON SUCH WEEKEND AND THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE IT OPEN.
WE HAVE A VERY ORGANIZED RENTAL PROGRAM THAT WE WORK THROUGH.
IT'S ALL ONLINE AND WE WOULD WORK CLOSELY TOGETHER ON EVENTS, WHETHER IT'S OUR EVENT OR HE HAS AN EVENT, ALL THAT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF WELL AHEAD OF TIME AND THE COORDINATION OF UNLOCKING THAT GATE, WHETHER IT'S US OR HIM.
[INAUDIBLE] YOU SAY RENTAL, I GUESS, IS THAT IMPLY THAT THERE'S MAYBE SOME REVENUE FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FROM THAT? YES, SIR.
I MEAN, THAT WAS ANOTHER ITEM WHEN I TALKED ABOUT CORRIDOR MEETING.
I THINK WE TALK ABOUT PARKING AND JUST BEING ABLE TO HANDLE PARKING AND AVOIDING ANY KIND OF PARKING ON DEAN WAY OR ANOTHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, SO THIS WAS ANOTHER IMPORTANT PIECE FOR ME.
SO ANY OTHER, I GUESS I'LL KEEP GOING WITH QUESTIONS.
MAIN COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ABOUT IS THE LIGHTING.
FOR ONE, I MEAN, NINE POINT ONE AND POINT FIVE ARE PRETTY FAR APART.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A LONG HILL TO CLIMB THERE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE WAY THAT CISD DOES IT, IT'S LIKE THEY BLOW UP THE LANDSCAPE EVERY CHANCE THEY GET.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURPRISED ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER WE CAN'T AFFORD TO WATER IT OR WE CAN'T AFFORD TO KEEP IT UP.
SO I'M NOT SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT ONE IN THERE AND I DON'T SEE THE METAL STORAGE BUILDING OR STORAGE CONTAINER.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING ANY DIFFERENT THAN A DUMPSTER IN A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ARGUE THAT A DUMPSTER IS A METAL CONTAINER, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SEE THOSE SITTING AROUND OUTSIDE.
SO I'M I'M THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO REALLY CONSIDER WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT AND BUT SOME KIND OF SCREENING AROUND IT AND.
IT WILL BE BEHIND A FENCE, BY THE WAY.
I MEAN, IT IS IT IS GOING TO BE FENCED AND IT WILL BE BEHIND THAT FENCE.
OKAY, WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE AND WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE A TENT? WHY? WHY, WHY DO WE DO THAT OTHER THAN MONEY? WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT? WHY CAN'T IT BE LIKE A REAL STRUCTURE, THE BUILDING?
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I MEAN, I KNOW YOU CALL IT A STRETCHED FABRIC, BUT IT'S A TENT.IT'S IT'S AN ESTHETIC LOOK, AND WE THINK THAT IT'S IT'S AN EFFICIENT USE OF, YOU KNOW, CREATING THIS BUILDING THIS SPACE.
AND WHAT'S THE LIFETIME OF THAT? WHAT WHEN'S IT GOING TO THE FABRIC GOING TO HAVE TO BE REPLACED? YEAH.
SO THE FABRIC IS A IT ACTUALLY HAS A PVC BASED MATERIAL IN IT AND THE LIFESPAN OF THOSE ARE TYPICALLY ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 17 YEARS.
AND THE WAY THAT IT'S ACTUALLY DONE, THE WAY IT'S CONSTRUCTED IS YOU'VE GOT 20 FOOT SEPARATION FRAMING AND IT'S GOT A TRACK SYSTEM.
SO WHAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY DO AND THEN IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY REPLACE A SECTION IF NEEDED, NOT HAVING TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE THING.
SO DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM TO? NO.
THE FIRST EIGHT FEET ARE GOING TO BE BLOCK.
OK? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ANY PROBLEMS LIKE WE HAD AT THE HIGH SCHOOL WITH HAVING TO RIP ALL THE FAĆāŖADE OFF THE BUILDING TO REPLACE IT BECAUSE IT LEAKED WATER EVERYWHERE AND RUINED EVERYTHING? THE FOUNDATION AND STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING? I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.
NO, THE REASON WHY WE'VE BEEN A BIG FAN OF LEGACY BUILDING SOLUTIONS IS THEY ACTUALLY BUILD THESE STRUCTURES FOR UNIVERSITIES, PUBLIC USE, AND THEY'RE ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
SO THEY THEY'RE USED IN, YOU KNOW, SUBZERO TEMPERATURES UP TO EXTREME HEAT AND THEY PROVEN TO BE QUITE SUCCESSFUL.
AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS MOST EXCITED ABOUT THEM.
ARE THERE ARE THERE WAYS, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, SO THE STORAGE BUILDING WAS BROUGHT UP, I GUESS.
ARE THERE WAYS YOU CAN MAYBE DRESS THAT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE, I GUESS, RELATIVE TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT? ARCHITECT SAYS YES.
ARCHITECT THAT FOR THE RECORD, THERE WAS A THUMBS UP FROM THE GALLERY, SO AND IN SAME THING ON THE LIGHTING, AND AGAIN, I KNOW IT WAS KIND OF THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE AND MR. MACASKILL KIND OF SUGGESTED TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE CONCERN ABOUT RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH, TO MOVE IT TO THE SOUTH.
AND THEN WE GOT SPILLOVER ON THE SOUTH.
ARE THERE WAYS THAT YOU KNOW THAT IT CAN BE KIND OF SHIELDED FROM THE SOUTH THAT YOU GUYS CAN LOOK INTO? MAYBE YOU CAN'T BRING IT DOWN TO THE FIVE, I GUESS, BUT AT LEAST I'M SURE FINDING THAT POINT FIVE.
I KNOW THIS IS NOT MY PROJECT, BUT I CAN SPEAK FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHEN WE DID THE REPLACING OF THE TENNIS COURT LIGHTS AT THE SENIOR HIGH.
THE LIGHTING SINCE THE BASEBALL SOFTBALL PROJECT HAS COMPLETELY CHANGED, THE TECHNOLOGY HAS INCREASED SO WELL THAT WE ALSO USE [INAUDIBLE] ON ALL OUR SPORTS FIELDS TOO.
AND WHEN WE DID THAT TENNIS COURT PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO THE TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE TO POINT TO THAT LED LIGHTING AND FOR A WHOLE LOT LESS SPILLAGE OVER PAST THE COURTS OR PAST THE FIELDS IS SO MUCH MORE ADVANCED THAN WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.
AND I HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD PICTURES OF OUR PROJECT AT THE TENNIS COURTS LIGHTS OF BEFORE AND AFTER.
AND IT'S INCREDIBLE HOW JUST ABLE TO JUST REALLY INTENSE FOCUS ON THE FIELD AND TENNIS COURT ITSELF WITH THE NEW LED TECHNOLOGY.
SO I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH THEM TOO.
AND YEAH, ON OUR EXPERIENCES WITH THAT.
SO IT'S IT'S A LOT MORE ADVANCED THAN IT WAS IN YEARS PAST.
I GUESS THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY COMMENT WAS, I GUESS, MAYBE SOMETHING JUST NOTING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD WORK ON IT IN GENERAL AND CONSULT SCHOOL DISTRICT BECAUSE AGAIN, I REMEMBER THAT THINK THAT CAME IN EARLIER THIS YEAR, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, AND IF I REMEMBER IT WAS A MEANINGFUL IMPROVEMENT RELATIVE TO WHAT WAS THERE.
AND WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY THERE, OBVIOUSLY, AS COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER POINTED OUT.
SO YEAH, I JUST HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, BY THE WAY.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT CONCEPT AND IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY DO REALLY, REALLY WELL HERE.
BUT TWO THINGS WERE AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED THIS.
I SEE THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS THIRTY SEVEN FEET, TWO INCHES.
WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THOSE LIGHTS ON THE BACK END? AND SO HOW MUCH ARE THEY GOING OVER? AND IF IT'S MAYBE THE REFLECTION OFF THE ROOF OF WHAT'S AHEAD? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THE LIGHTS ARE SIXTY FEET.
AND I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PHOTO METRICS AND SEE WHAT HOW THAT RELATES TO WHAT, WHAT WOULD KIND OF GO OVER THE OVER THE THE [INAUDIBLE]? YEAH, OK.
AND THEN IS THERE A TIMING FOR CLOSING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE OFF? YEAH.
THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED UP THERE IS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
I WAS LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE.
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SORRY.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? AND LIKE MR. MILLER, YOU KNOW MENTIONED ABOUT THE LIGHTING AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING, I'VE BEEN TALKED TO [INAUDIBLE] QUITE A BIT [INAUDIBLE] LIGHTS.
THE THE TWO LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, THE FIELDS RUNNING WEST EAST.
THE FIRST RESIDENCES IS UP THERE TO THE THE NORTHEAST AND THEN THE PROPERTY DOWN TO THE SOUTH OF US.
SO THE LIGHTS ARE IN THE YOU HAVE THE THE PARKING LOT SITS UP HERE.
THE BUILDING SITS A LITTLE BIT RIGHT HERE AND THE OUTDOOR FIELD SITS A LITTLE BIT RIGHT HERE AND THEN RIGHT DOWN HERE AS OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH OF US.
AND WITH THE OUTDOOR FIELD, WE'VE GOT THE TWO LIGHTS THAT ARE POINTING DIRECTLY DOWN.
SO AT THE FURTHEST, MOST POINT, THOSE LIGHTS ARE POINTING DIRECTLY AS WELL.
AND ON THE PHOTO METRICS AND EVEN JUST LOOK AT THE NUMBERS MYSELF, THE SPILLAGE, YOU BASICALLY GET ZERO ONCE YOU GET JUST ON THE THE PEAK OR THE EVE AROUND.
AND OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH OF US, I'VE BEEN TALKING VERY SPECIFICALLY WITH HIM ABOUT THE LIGHTING AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH OF US IS ACTUALLY RIGHT HERE TODAY.
AND MR. LARRY MARSHALL AND AT THE RIGHT WHERE WE GET TO THE PROPERTY LINE BEFORE WE EVEN START THE FLOWERBEDS AND THEN THE PARKING LOT FOR HIM AT THAT POINT, WE'RE CURRENTLY BASED ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, MAKING AN ADJUSTMENT WHERE SOMETIME LIKE AROUND, I THINK AT THE PROPERTY LINE, IT WAS SOMEWHERE LIKE AROUND 12.
AND THEN BY THE TIME THAT GETS TO ACTUALLY LARRY'S BUILDING, IT'S VIRTUALLY ALMOST AT ZERO.
SO IT LIGHTS UP HIS PARKING LOT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THOSE LIGHTS EVEN WERE WHERE WE ARE BETWEEN HE AND US.
THEY'RE POINTING BASICALLY AWAY FROM HIS BUILDING, AND THEN WE'VE GOT DIRECTIONAL SIDES AND TOPS TO HELP CONTROL THAT DIRECTION.
SO I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT QUITE A BIT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS THE APPLICANT FOR NOW.
APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS UP HERE AND I GUESS TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE FEEDBACK.
WE'RE GOING TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING AND IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.
AS ALLUDED TO AND STAFF, PLEASE MAKE SURE I SAY THIS CORRECTLY.
I THINK ITEMS BOTH EIGHT AND NINE ON OUR AGENDA.
I THINK I CAN OPEN THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
BOTH ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE ON OUR AGENDA.
SO I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS RIGHT NOW, FOR ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO COME UP AND COMMENT ON THOSE, AND I THINK WE SEE ONE.
LOOK, I'LL READ ONE OF THEM INTO THE YOU CAN COME ON UP, SIR.
I'M GOING TO READ ONE INTO AND THIS MAYBE YOU AT 1300 SHADY OAKS LARRY MARSHALL HOPEFULLY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM.
OK, I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST AND THEN MR. MARSHALL, YOU CAN COME ON UP SECOND.
FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE TO START THE RED LIGHT.
MY ADDRESS IS 859 SOUTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS SITE PLAN.
AND THINK SOMEONE, CRAIG HAD REFERENCED IT CORRECTLY.
IT'S A GREAT CONCEPT, BUT A TERRIBLE SITE FOR IT.
YOU SQUEEZE IN AS MUCH AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN ON THIS ON THIS SITE.
I DID THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT FOR LEGENDS, THE WHOLE LEGENDS DEVELOPMENT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTS THE CITY WELL.
WE WENT TO GREAT EFFORTS TO MAKE SURE IT WAS A WORLD CLASS DEVELOPMENT.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, THIS CAUGHT US ALL BY SURPRISE.
WE DIDN'T SEE A SPIN MEETING ON THIS.
WE JUST HAPPENED TO SEE THE P&Z MEETING NOTICE.
SO THAT'S WHAT KIND OF CAUGHT EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.
YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE'S ONE PERSON IN OPPOSITION.
I ACTUALLY HAD SENT AN OPPOSITION.
I ALSO HAVE THE OWNER OF I OWN 2380 DEAN WAY.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO 2360 DEAN WAY, BOTH IN OPPOSITION.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE DIDN'T MAKE IT IN OR WHAT HAPPENED.
OUR PRIMARY ISSUE IS THIS YOU HAVE ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY SPACES, PARKING SPACES ALL FLOWING ONTO DEAN WAY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL OFFICES, THERE YOU HAVE IT'S OFFICE FLEX, SO YOU HAVE HEAVY COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC DELIVERIES AND SO FORTH FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE LEGENDS BUSINESS PARK.
AND I MEAN, TO ADD ANOTHER HUNDRED AND SIXTY, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC COUNT TO FLOW ON THE
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DEAN WAY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, WITH ANY, IT'S JUST IT'S A BAD, IT'S A BAD SITUATION.THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S IF YOU LOOK AT THE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNS, WHICH I THINK IS AN OPPOSITION THAT YOU NOTED THE FIRST BUILDING THERE, WE'RE PUTTING THAT ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NEXT TO HIS.
SO YOU HAVE TRAFFIC COMING OUT THERE, TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR LOT.
NOT TO MENTION THE LIGHTING YOU GOT LIGHTS, NOISE.
THIS IS MORE A CONSUMER TYPE RETAIL PRODUCT IN A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS PARK.
I JUST I THINK IT'S A TERRIBLE FIT.
YOU KNOW, IT WILL DO WELL IN SOUTHLAKE.
I JUST THINK THIS IS JUST SQUEEZING WAY WAY TOO MUCH, AS EVIDENCED BY ALL THE VARIANCES THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED FOR THIS.
AND WHEN I BUILT DEAN WAY, I NEVER EXPECTED THIS, THAT TO HAPPEN.
I, YOU KNOW, ALL THE BUILDINGS WERE THERE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF CAUGHT ME A BIT BY SURPRISE.
AND JUST NOTING FOR THE RECORD AND STAFF AND KIND OF HELP SORT THIS OUT, THE RESPONSE FORMS WE WERE HANDED OVER FOR 2380 DEAN WAY AND 2360 DEAN WAY, SO STAFF CAN KIND OF HELP CONFIRM THAT THE STATUS OF THOSE AS WELL.
AND NOW, MR. MARSHALL, PLEASE COULD COME ON UP AND PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
DO I NEED TO LARRY MARSHALL? DO I NEED TO GET MY ADDRESS OR DO YOU ALREADY HAVE IT? WE ALREADY HAVE IT, SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH ON DEAN WAY 2320 DEAN WAY.
ROB DEAN WAS THE DEVELOPER AND I DID BUY THAT PROPERTY FROM HIM.
I CAN'T DISPUTE THE FACT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF ON THAT LOT.
IT'S CRAMMED IN THERE PRETTY TIGHT, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOING TO SERVE ITS PURPOSE QUITE WELL.
A LOT OF GREEN AREA, THE OUTDOOR PLAYING FIELD IS ALL GREEN, SO I DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD KIND OF CONSIDER THAT A BUFFER, THE LIGHTING CAN BE AN ISSUE FOR SOME PEOPLE.
FORTUNATELY, THE WAY IT'S SET UP ON THIS SITE PLAN TO THE SOUTH.
I HAVE A PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH, AND I KNOW THE LED STADIUM LIGHTING NOW IS A LOT MORE DIRECTIONAL THAN WHAT IT WAS PROBABLY EVEN FIVE YEARS AGO.
SO I THINK A LOT OF THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IF THERE IS SOME SPILL ONTO MY PARKING LOT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, LIGHTING IS NOT ALWAYS A BAD THING.
IT'S NOT SHINING INTO SOMEONE'S BEDROOM WINDOW.
YOU KNOW, THE WAY THIS IS ACTUALLY CONFIGURED RIGHT NOW.
SO I REALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE LIGHTING.
ALL IN ALL, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC GOING OUT ON THE DEAN WAY.
I WOULD HAVE HOPED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ALLOWED IT TO BE OPENED UP EITHER ONTO THE SCHOOL PARKING AREA, OR PERHAPS ONTO CROOKED LANE TO KIND OF ALLEVIATE 100 PERCENT OF THE FLOW HAVING TO GO OUT THAT WAY, BUT THEY'RE SURE THERE ARE REASONS FOR THAT.
I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A BAD IDEA TO OPEN IT UP ONTO THE TO THE [INAUDIBLE] SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY, UP TO THE I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE AND LET THEM NOT ALL POUR OUT, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY HELP SOME OF THE OPPOSITION FROM ROB DEAN IF THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY.
SO IT'S REALLY ALL HAVE THE COMMENT THAT I HAVE.
THE LIGHTING IS NOT A BIG ISSUE FOR ME.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT CAN BE THAT CAN BE CORRECTED TOO.
THEY'LL BE PROBABLY MORE THAN THE 0.5, BUT PROBABLY NOT AS MUCH AS THE NINE.
SO AND I WON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT IF THEY REDUCE THAT, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERABLE LEVEL.
THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT NINE REMAINS OPEN FOR ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND COMMENT AND I SEE SOMEONE ELSE LIKE JOIN US.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
BRIAN CAMPBELL, PROPERTY OWNER 2325 DEAN WAY AND OUR WE HAVE A COUPLE OF MAIN CONCERNS.
YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THIS STREET, YOU KNOW, IT HANDLES THE THE TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING THROUGH NOW, BUT YOU KNOW, CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET ON TO KIMBALL AND ALSO DANGEROUS.
AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FLOW, WE FEEL CERTAIN THAT'S GOING TO REALLY MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO GET ON THE ROAD AND REALLY CREATE A DANGEROUS SITUATION.
AND ALSO, AS MR. DEAN STATED, THIS IS A WORLD CLASS COMMERCIAL SITE AND WE INVESTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WE BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO DAMAGE AND HURT THE PROPERTY VALUES AND.
YOU KNOW, I THINK I AGREE THAT IS A GREAT PROJECT, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE
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APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR IT.ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COME UP AND COMMENT ON ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE BEFORE I CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING? GOING ONCE, TWICE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON EIGHT AND NINE.
MOVE ON TO DELIBERATIONS IF ANYBODY WANTS TO JUMP IN, IF YOU WANT ME TO JUMP IN.
MR. MARSHALL WAS TALKING ABOUT, HE DIDN'T MIND IT.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR IS IF YOU DECIDE TO SELL THIS AND SOMEBODY MOVES IN THERE THAT DOES MIND IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE LIGHTING ORDINANCES TO PROTECT PROPERTY OWNERS SURROUNDING.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU, HAVING A PARKING LOT LIT UP IS A GOOD THING, BUT IT'S WHOEVER.
WHOEVER COMES UP WITH THAT NEXT IS, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT MAY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
AND I'M AGREEING WITH I'M AGREEING WITH HAVING JUST THAT ONE ACCESS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY CAN'T OPEN UP THE ONE ON CROOKED LANE OR WHATEVER, EITHER.
I GUESS COULD STAFF WHEN I ADD SOME CONTEXT ON THE CROOKED LANE EMERGENCY EXIT? YES SIR AS SOME OF YOU ALL MAY RECALL AT THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE, THERE WAS CONCERN OF HAVING THAT PRIMARY ACCESS UNDER CROOKED LANE DUE TO THE DISTANCE FROM THE INTERSECTION OF KIMBALL AND STACKING AND ASK THE APPLICANT COME BACK TO LOOK AT AN ALTERNATIVE ACCESS POINT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY HE DID.
YOU KNOW THE APPLICANT COULD LOOK AT WHAT IT DOES IN TERMS OF A TRAFFIC STUDY TO OPEN UP BOTH ACCESS POINTS TO SEE IF ENOUGH THAT TRAFFIC IS DIVERTED TO THE SOUTH, THAT IT DOESN'T CREATE A POOR LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
BUT FROM THE CITY'S CONCERN IS THAT IF ALL THAT TRAFFIC WAS FUNNELED TO THAT ONE LOCATION, WE WOULD HAVE SOME STACKING AND BACKING ISSUES.
AND I GUESS DID THE CITY STAFF AND I KNOW MAYBE THERE WERE DIFFERENT VERSIONS PRESENTED.
DID WE EVER GET DIRECT FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS ALONG CROOKED ABOUT THIS? OR WAS IT MORE OF THE CORRIDOR FEEDBACK? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY DIRECT FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS, BUT.
I MEAN, NOT NOT TO SAY SOME TRAFFIC WOULDN'T POTENTIALLY GO EASTBOUND, BUT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL EASTBOUND.
IT'S ALL WESTBOUND FROM HERE, SO YOU WOULD THINK MOST OF IT WILL GO WEST WHEN IT LEAVES.
YEAH, THERE ARE A FEW RESIDENTS ON EASTBOUND IF YOU GO CROOKED.
NOT NOT A LARGE CONCENTRATION.
BUT IF THE APPLICANT COULD, YOU KNOW, DEMONSTRATE THAT, YOU KNOW, OPENING THAT DOES NOT CREATE A POOR LEVEL OF SERVICE.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER.
SO THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT COULD EVALUATE AND PRESENT.
AND YEAH, I GUESS THE OTHER THOUGHT IN MY HEAD WAS MAYBE THEM MORE FORMALIZING ON ON WEEKENDS, MAYBE A PLAN WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR IF THERE IS A BIG TOURNAMENT THAT THEY HAVE THAT OTHER ENTRANCE OPEN, JUST YET ANOTHER RELIEVER.
YEAH, I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME INTEREST AT COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU GET A BIGGER CROWD THAN ANTICIPATED, I MEAN, WHAT WE WANT TO AVOID IS OBVIOUSLY ANY PARKING ON THE STREETS.
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COMMISSIONER DYCHE, FIRST TIME THIS EVENING? MICROPHONE WORKS.
I COULD INCREASE MY COMMENTS IF YOU'D LIKE TO STAY LONGER TONIGHT.
I'M NOT SURE THE LIGHTING BOTHERS ME GIVEN ITS LOCATION AND GIVEN THE ADVANCES MADE IN LIGHTING TECHNOLOGY AND THE FACT THAT IT'S SHINING ONTO AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, IT'S NOT GOING TO BOTHER ANY RESIDENTS.
I KEEP HEARING IN MY HEAD, I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER THAT SAID IT IS WHEN YOU'VE GOT TO ASK FOR THIS MANY VARIANCES, YOU'RE PROBABLY IN THE WRONG PLACE ON A ON A PRINCIPAL BASIS.
ASKING FOR THIS MANY VARIANCES IS TROUBLING TO ME BECAUSE IT MEANS WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A, YOU KNOW, A ROUND PEG IN A SQUARE HOLE.
I THINK THE TRAFFIC WOULD CERTAINLY BE SOME OF THE ISSUES WOULD BE ALLEVIATED BY OPENING A SECOND ACCESS POINT.
I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE CITY.
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AGAIN, I'M REALLY TORN ON THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A FINE PROJECT IN CONCEPT, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR IT.AND STAFF MAYBE REAL QUICK ON THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, IF WE PUT UP YET ANOTHER GARDEN OFFICE PROPERTY HERE IN TOWN, I'M SURE IT COULD CHECK EVERY ONE OF THOSE BOXES JUST PERFECTLY AND NO OFFENSE TO MR. [INAUDIBLE] OUT IN THE GALLERY THERE.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, HE'S GARDEN OFFICE FAN, BUT I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF IT HERE.
IS THERE A SITE IN SOUTHLAKE WHERE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THIS LAUNDRY LIST OF I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL EXCEPTIONS, I GUESS? I MEAN.
IN TERMS OF THE LIGHTING, ANY TIME YOU DO SPORTS LIGHTING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A VARIANCE, JUST THE NATURE OF IT ANYWHERE.
I MEAN, EVERY TIME THE CIC COMES THROUGH FOR BASEBALL, WHEN A TENNIS COURTS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS A VARIANCE.
SO JUST THE VERY NATURE OF SPORTS LIGHTING, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MEET THE LIGHT ORDINANCE, IT WASN'T SET UP TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND AND SO THOSE VARIANCES ARE GOING TO EXIST.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT LOOK AT THE REGULATIONS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THEM COULD BE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PROBABLY GET A BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO BE MEET THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS IF YOU'RE DOING AN INDOOR SOCCER TYPE OF FACILITY.
GOT TO NEED YOU NEED SOME OUTDOOR FOOTBALL.
YOU NEED THAT HEIGHT TO BE ABLE TO PLAY THE SPORT INDOORS.
YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS LIKE THE STORAGE CONTAINERS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT CAN CAN BE ADDRESSED.
AS DENNIS MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATIVE BILL, THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO NECESSARILY THEY CAN.
THEY CAN PLACE ANY MATERIALS OR USE ANY MATERIALS IN A PASS THREE CODE CYCLES SO THAT THEY DO HAVE THAT RIGHT.
THE, YOU KNOW, THE SCREEN WALL, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS CAN BE ADDRESSED, BUFFER YARDS CAN BE ADDRESSED.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK AS A COMMISSION GOT TO LOOK ARE THEY PRACTICAL IN THIS TYPE OF SITUATION GIVEN THE SURROUNDING LAND USES? I MEAN, YOU GOT A PARKING LOT.
[INAUDIBLE] YOU KNOW, ARE THEY APPROPRIATE, I MEAN, YOU JUST EVALUATE THOSE.
YEAH, I MEAN, I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK IN MY HEAD, WHERE EXACTLY WOULD YOU PUT THIS WHERE SOME OF THOSE WOULDN'T COME UP ANYWAY.
JUST ORDINANCE IS REALLY JUST AREN'T DESIGNED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
NO, I MEAN, IN ANY INDUSTRIAL AREA OR MIXED USE AREA, WE HAVE THE HEIGHT THIRTY FIVE FEET.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO GET THAT BUILDING HEIGHT.
SOME OF THESE CAN BE ADDRESSED.
OTHERS LIKE THE SPORTS HEIGHT, THE SPORTS LIGHTING AND THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
YOU'LL PROBABLY GET THOSE ANYWHERE.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS I WOULD SAY, I, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THAT THE APPLICANT TRIED TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE FEEDBACK.
I THINK THE TRAFFIC ITEM IS LEGITIMATE.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT COULD WORK ON IN TERMS OF FURTHER EVALUATING THE FEASIBILITY OF ACCESS ON CROOKED, I GUESS, IN CONJUNCTION WITH STAFF.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FURTHER USE OF THE ACCESS POINT TO THE EAST.
JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MY MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE I KNOW THE ORDINANCES MAYBE DON'T ALWAYS FIT IT EXACTLY.
BUT WE'VE GOT LOTS OF GARDEN OFFICE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE AND YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE AN ATHLETIC SPORTS FACILITY THAT KIDS CAN USE AND ENJOY AND NOT HAVE TO DRIVE TO A NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE ESPECIALLY WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO HELP WITH PARKING AND OVERFLOW AND THAT RELATIONSHIP, IF THEY CAN MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THE LIGHTING CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP THE STORAGE CONTAINER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE SCREEN WALL, WHICH YOU KNOW, STAFF MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, I COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT BY NATURE, JUST LIKE KEN OUTLINE KIND OF THE NATURE OF ANY SPORTS ATHLETIC THING, A LOT OF THESE VARIANCES ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED KIND OF ANYWHERE IT GOES.
I THINK WHAT'S MOST INTIMIDATING ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, RIGHT? YOU LOOK AT IT, LIKE, GOSH, IT LOOKS UNDER PARKED AND IT LOOKS WAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE WAY TOO MUCH IN THIS RECTANGLE.
AND SO I FEEL LIKE THAT'S PARTIALLY MITIGATED BY THE THE AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO HAVE OVERFLOW PARKING IN THE FOOTBALL STADIUM PARKING LOT.
SO I FEEL LIKE THAT WHILE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY DEPICTED HERE, IT
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CONCEPTUALLY IT SORT OF SHOULD BE PART OF THE LARGER PICTURE.I DO AGREE THAT MY CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC, THOUGH, AND UNDERSTANDING HOW CROOKED LANE PLAYS IN.
I LOVE A SORT OF A CLEANER ANSWER THERE AND CLEANER THOUGHT PROCESS THERE.
BUT I THINK JUST THE FUNCTIONALITY OF WHAT IT IS IS GOING TO REQUIRE LOTS OF VARIANCES WHEREVER IT GOES, YOU KNOW, OR IT'S GOING TO NEED BOB JONES PARK AMOUNT OF LAND.
YOU KNOW? JUST CURIOUS, I'M ASSUMING THE COVERAGE RATIO, DRAGON STADIUM AND THE ASSOCIATED PARKING WITH IT IS SOMEWHAT EQUIVALENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS OF THE TOP OF HEAD.
I MEAN, THERE IS SOME GREEN SPACE IN AND AROUND THE STADIUM.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S I THINK 87 PERCENT IS WHAT'S SHOWN HERE.
OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DELIBERATIONS.
I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD JUST BE THE CONCERN ABOUT ALL THE TRAFFIC GOING OUT ONTO DEAN WAY.
I MEAN, I NOTICED THAT THE THE ACCESS EASEMENT THAT'S BEING PROVIDED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE SOUTH IS UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HIS PROPERTY IS REALLY PUTTING THEM WHERE THE TRAFFIC CONFLICTING WITH THE TWO DRIVEWAYS OF THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS THAT DIDN'T OFFER THIS ACCESS EASEMENT.
SO THAT'S MY CONCERN IS, I GUESS, THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY DOESN'T ACTUALLY EVEN HAVE FRONTAGE TODAY ON ON DEAN WAY.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ALLEVIATE.
I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY A BETTER ROAD THAN CROOKED LANE, BUT I JUST I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING FROM THE OWNERS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING KIND OF BEING PUT UPON THEM THAT THEY DIDN'T FORESEE WHEN THEY PURCHASED THESE PROPERTIES.
CAN WE GET THE AERIAL BACK UP THERE, DENNIS.
AND REAL QUICK STAFF, THE LAND USE ON THIS, THIS IS INDUSTRIAL.
MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, ANY THOUGHTS? YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LIGHTING, I MEAN, I THINK COMMISSIONER DYCHE KIND OF SAID IT WELL, I MEAN, THE LIGHTING I CAN KIND OF DEAL WITH.
I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WHEN THEY GO TO COUNCIL, THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED, ESPECIALLY IF [INAUDIBLE] WERE TO SHOW UP AND KIND OF HELP EXPLAIN HOW THE TECHNOLOGY IS WORKING NOWADAYS.
I THINK THE STRUCTURE ISSUE CAN BE RESOLVED.
THE PARKING IS IT'S WHAT'S CAUSING ME CONCERN.
WHERE DOES DEAN WAY? HOW FAR DOWN DOES THAT GO AND WHERE DOES IT COME OUT? I CAN'T RECALL.
DOES THAT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE LIGHT OR NO? SO, YEAH, IT GOES RIGHT INTO THE STADIUM.
NINETY NINE PERCENT OF THE TIME, I GUESS THINKS WHAT HE SAID.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I COULD BE IN SUPPORT OF IT, I THINK MORE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I THINK A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE USAGE OF DEAN WAY BY ALL OF THOSE TENANTS IN THOSE BUILDINGS AS IT RELATES TO THE TIMES WHEN THIS FACILITY WOULD BE USED.
BECAUSE UNLESS I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION, I WOULD THINK THAT THE HIGH USE TIMES WHEN KIDS WOULD BE USING THIS FOR TOURNAMENTS WOULD PROBABLY BE DIFFERENT THAN WHEN YOU WOULD EXPECT HIGH TRAFFIC FROM THE TENANTS AND ALSO ON KIMBALL.
BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING HERE.
I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, COUNCIL'S GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO HAVE THIS USE THERE.
BUT TRAFFIC IS REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT CONCERNS ME, TO BE HONEST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS BEFORE WE TRY TO CRAFT A MOTION THAT THAT WE CAN VOTE ON? YES, SO DO WE WANT TO I MEAN, I'M PRESUMING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE EIGHT AND NINE SEPARATELY WITH A MOTION.
YES, SIR, YOU NEED TO SEPARATE MOTION ON THAT.
AND COULD WE MAKE EIGHT CONTINGENT ON NINE PASSING AS WELL? OR I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO SEND ONE UP AND THE OTHER ONE GET HUNG UP, RIGHT? I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THE DISTRICT IS WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
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THIS PARTICULAR OR THEY'RE INTERESTED MAY BE MOVING FORWARD REGARDLESS HOW THIS CASE ON THE MULTI-PURPOSE FACILITY TURNS OUT.I MEAN, I WOULD YOU VOTE ON IT.
CAN WE DO A MOTION ON NUMBER NINE FIRST, SINCE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE THE CRUX OF THIS, AND THAT'S DEPENDING ON HOW THAT GOES.
I THINK WE HAVE OUR GUIDANCE ON EIGHT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER NINE ON OUR AGENDA ZA21-0086 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 12.
ALSO SUBJECT TO OUR SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED NOVEMBER 12TH 2021 SPECIFICALLY APPROVING THE VARIANCES REQUESTED AND INSTRUCTING THE APPLICANT TO FURTHER DEVELOP A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TO BRING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, INCLUDING PICTURES AND PERHAPS A [INAUDIBLE] REPRESENTATIVE TO COUNCIL MEETING PROVIDING ALONG THOSE SAME LINES.
MORE INFORMATION ON LIGHTING ACCOMMODATIONS AND THE VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUESTED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS ON THE METAL STORAGE CONTAINERS SO THAT IT MATCHES THE OTHER BUILDING.
AND THEN WITH REGARD TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY ANALYSIS, EVALUATING INGRESS AND EGRESS OPTIONS AND EVALUATING THE USAGE AS IT RELATES TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS AND TENANTS IN THE AREA.
CAN I JUST AMEND THAT? I GUESS JUST FURTHER DEFINITION ON THE RELATIONSHIP WITH CARROLL ISD AND THE ABILITY TO OPEN THAT ACCESS POINT MORE READILY WHEN NEEDED, I GUESS.
YEAH, INCLUDING EVALUATING ACCESS ON CROOKED AND CARROLL ISD DRAGON STADIUM TO THE EAST .
A MOTION ANY AMENDMENTS TO THAT, ANY WE GOOD TO VOTE EVERYBODY? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
THINK WE'RE ONE VOTE SHORT HERE, SIX, SIX ONE.
OK, SO THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION FORWARD WITH A SIX ONE VOTE WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, I THINK.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED.
YOU CAN GO BACK AND WATCH THIS LATER AND KIND OF GET A FLAVOR FOR THIS.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT IT IN PERSON HERE.
WHILE YOU DID GET A SIX ONE VOTE, I THINK YOU HEARD A LOT OF CONSTERNATION.
I THINK YOU HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO BARELY GOT THERE.
SO I THINK YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF HOMEWORK TO DO BEFORE A POTENTIAL COUNCIL MEETING.
AND I THINK YOU HEARD ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN TOPICS WHY, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC SITE COVERAGE, I THINK REALLY DEMONSTRATING THE OVERFLOW OF PARKING USAGE AND ABILITY AND AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU HEARD IT, BUT I COULDN'T ENCOURAGE YOU ENOUGH TO DO THAT HOMEWORK AND TRY TO TALK WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS THAT FILED OPPOSITION AND TRY TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS AS WELL.
BUT GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.
APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT AND COMMENTING ON THAT ONE TONIGHT.
WITH THAT, WE'LL TAKE A A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT BEFORE I FORGET.
MR. CHAIRMAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA, SUBJECT TO WHICH IS ZA21-0069 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 18TH 2021 AND ALSO SUBJECT TO OUR SITE PLAN.
REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED NOVEMBER 18TH 2021 AND NOTING APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE REQUESTED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OK A SECOND.
LET'S GO OUT AND VOTE, PLEASE.
AND PASSES SIX ONE AS WELL, SO THANK YOU AGAIN, APPRECIATE IT.
WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA.
ACTUALLY, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST DID.
WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ITEMS NUMBER 10 AND 11 TOGETHER, WHICH IS DEVELOPMENT PLAN
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SITE PLAN FOR GRANITE PLACE TWO AND A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR GRANITE PLACE TWO PARKING GARAGE.SO, DENNIS, PLEASE TAKE US AWAY.
THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR DEVELOPMENT AND SITE PLAN FOR AN APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING, FIVE FLOORS AND APPROXIMATELY AN ADDITIONALLY A FIVE LEVEL PRECAST PARKING STRUCTURE ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE.
THIS SITE ALSO INCLUDES THE SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PLAN ALSO INCLUDES A TEN THOUSAND
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SQUARE FOOT PAD SITE AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.THAT PARTICULAR PAD SITE WOULD REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL BEFORE THIS BOARD AND THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO PERMIT BEING ISSUED.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 601 STATE STREET THAT IS JUST SOUTH OF THE AND WEST OF THE GRANITE PHASE ONE BUILDING AND SOUTH OF THE EXISTING GRANITE PHASE ONE PARKING STRUCTURE.
PROPERTY IS TOWN CENTER ON THE CITY'S LAND USE PLAN, AND THE ZONING IS DT DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.
THIS IS A STREET VIEW OF THE PROPERTY AT DIVISION AND STATE STREET SHOWING THE SOUTH FACADES OF THE EXISTING PHASE ONE BUILDING AND A VIEW LOOKING SOUTHEAST FROM 114 AND STATE STREET.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN BOUNDARY SHOWN IN RED AND THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN BOUNDARY SHOWN IN BLUE.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, A LOT WHAT'S LABELED IS LOT THREE R TWO IS A FUTURE RETAIL PAD SITE AND PARTICULAR USE NOT DETERMINED AT THIS POINT, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PRIOR TO COMMENCING CONSTRUCTION ON THAT SITE.
LOT TWO ALSO INTENDED AS A FUTURE PAD SITE, BUT IS NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST.
ONCE AGAIN, THAT SITE, PRIOR TO FURTHER DEVELOPMENT WOULD REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL AS WELL.
THIS IS A PROPOSED PARKING EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS PARKING IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE VARIOUS BUILDABLE SITES THE AREA IN BLUE IS THE PHASE TWO GRANITE SHOWING BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND ADDITIONAL FIVE LEVEL PARKING STRUCTURE TO BE ADDED TO THE SOUTH PORTION OF THAT EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE.
THE OTHERS ARE COLOR CODED FOR THE ADJOINING PAD SITES, AND ALL OF THOSE PARKING SPACES BETWEEN THE THREE SITES WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WHAT IS HATCHED IN IN THE AREA JUST NORTH AND WEST OF THE LOT THREE R TWO PAD SITE SO THOSE SPACES WOULD NOT BE CONSTRUCTED UNTIL SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PARTICULAR PAD SITE.
AS FAR AS OVERALL PARKING SPECIFIC TO THIS BLOCK, WITH THE PHASE TWO ADDITIONS, THEY WOULD REQUIRE APPROXIMATELY EIGHT HUNDRED AND SIXTY FOUR SPACES.
RIGHT AT CODE OF WHAT TOWN SQUARE CALLS FOR.
AND AS FAR AS NETTING OUT PARKING THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE IN PLACE TO SUPPORT THE TWO PAD SITES, THAT TOTAL PARKING AVAILABLE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY SEVEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY.
ONCE ONCE THOSE TWO PAD SITES ARE CONSTRUCTED, THAT'S CERTAINLY DEPENDENT UPON THE TYPE OF USE.
BUT UPON COMPLETION OF THIS PHASE TWO BUILDING PARKING GARAGE AND ADJOINING ON AND OFF STREET PARKING AREAS.
IN TOTAL, THERE WOULD BE JUST JUST.
EXCUSE ME, I HAVE LOST COUNT OF MY NUMBER ON THIS SLIDE.
I DO BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE JUST UNDER 800 PARKING, EXCUSE ME, 798 PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE TO THE PHASE TWO BUILDING.
THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE OF THE BUILDING SITE.
THIS VIEW BE LOOKING NORTH AND THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING NORTHEAST FROM STATE STREET AND DIVISION.
AND A VIEW LOOKING DUE EAST FROM STATE STREET, PARKING STRUCTURE ON THE LEFT AND OFFICE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT.
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THIS IS RENDERED PERSPECTIVE OF THE COURTYARD AREA.THERE ARE TWO VARIANCES REQUESTED IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STACKING DEPTH OFF OF STATE STREET DRIVEWAY, AND A REQUEST TO ONLY REQUIRE ONE LOADING SPACE WHERE THE BUILDING SIZE REQUIRES TWO REGULAR LOADING SPACES.
THESE ARE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING, THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
THIS WOULD BE TOWARDS DIVISION STREET AND EAST ELEVATION TOWARDS RESERVE AND NORTH ELEVATION TOWARDS A GARAGE AND 114 AND WEST ELEVATION TOWARDS STATE STREET.
WITH REGARD TO THE SECOND ITEM, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, THE EACH LEVEL OF THE PARKING GARAGE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE UP TO 46 INCH TALL PARAPET INTENDED TO BLOCK VIEW OF VEHICLES, AND THE MATERIAL FOR THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE OF THE SAME MATERIAL THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING, AS WELL AS COLOR SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE PHASE ONE GARAGE.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR METAL TYPE PARAPET STRUCTURE WITH A COORDINATING COLOR THAT'S COMPLEMENTARY TO THE OTHER COLORS AND MATERIALS ON THE BUILDING.
AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE PHASE ONE GARAGE.
THESE ARE ELEVATIONS OF THE GARAGE STRUCTURE.
AND THIS IS OVERALL LANDSCAPE AND IS BROKEN INTO SEVERAL PLANS AND I'LL RUN THROUGH THESE RATHER QUICKLY.
EVALUATION OF THESE, THE LANDSCAPING THAT IS PROPOSED IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE THROUGHOUT TOWN SQUARE.
DRAINAGE PLAN, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED NO NO RESPONSES TO DATE ON EITHER OF THESE ITEMS. WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? OK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
I WILL CALL THE APPLICANT UP FOR ITEMS 10 AND 11.
AND FIRST, I'LL SHOW OUR APPRECIATION TO THE APPLICANT, GIVEN WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE A ROBUST EXTENDED PRESENTATION FOR US.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO JUST USE STAFF'S PRESENTATION TO ANSWER ANY Q&A.
BUT DEFINITELY PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MAKE AN OPENING STATEMENT NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT FOR GRANITE PROPERTIES.
I RESIDE AT 1701 GRASS COURT, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.
I HOPE TO MAKE THIS FAIRLY SHORT.
I THINK THE APPLICATION AND THE REQUEST IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THIS IS THE COMPLETION OF OUR PROJECT.
WE ACTUALLY WE BUILT THE FIRST PROJECT BEGINNING IN 2016 AND DELIVERED IT IN 2017.
LEASED IT OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WHICH WAS OUR PLAN.
WE ACTUALLY WERE GOING TO COME FORWARD IN 2020.
JANUARY OF 2020 HAD BEGUN CONVERSATIONS WITH KEN ABOUT THAT PROJECT, AND SOMETHING HAPPENED IN 2020.
WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO AFTER GETTING PAST THAT EVENT, WE STARTED TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD.
WE'VE HAD GOOD ACCEPTANCE AND WORK WITH THE STAFF AND WITH THE CITY.
WE WERE FAVORABLY RECEIVED AT THE TIF VOTE ON TUESDAY NIGHT BY THE COUNCIL.
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SO WE ARE READY TO GO.I DO WANT TO SPEAK JUST A MOMENT ABOUT THE VARIANCES SINCE I'VE HEARD YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT VARIANCES, THIRST FOR VARIANCES REALLY TO THIS PROJECT.
THREE OF THE VARIANCES WERE REQUESTED AND ACTUALLY GRANTED FOR PHASE ONE.
SO THE DRIVEWAY VARIANCES ARE FOR THE DRIVEWAYS THAT WERE BUILT ON PHASE ONE.
WE'RE NOT BUILDING DIFFERENT DRIVEWAYS, SO THE VARIANCE WAS DRAFTED THAT WAS APPROVED ON PHASE ONE REALLY IS THE SAME VARIANCE THAT WE'RE REQUESTING OF THIS ONE NOW.
THE LOADING ZONE, WE HAVE ONE LOADING ZONE FIRST BUILDING.
WE'RE ASKING FOR ONE LOADING ZONE ON THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT FOR BUILDINGS OF THIS SIZE, THE ACTUAL GARAGE MATERIAL VARIANCE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IT SO THAT WE CAN BUILD THE GARAGE TO MATCH THE REST OF THE GARAGE AND COMPLETION OF THE GARAGE ALL THE WAY AROUND, SO THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NORTH SIDE, SOUTH OR WEST SIDES AND EAST SIDES OF THE GARAGE NOW YOU NOTICE THAT THEY'RE HIGHLY FINISHED.
THE MATERIALS THAT WE CHOSE TO USE FOR SCREENING OF THE CARS IS ANODIZED ARCHITECTURAL ALUMINUM.
THE REASON WE USE THAT IS BECAUSE IT MAKES THE BUILD THE GARAGE LOOK MORE LIKE AN OFFICE BUILDING WHEN TRYING TO DE-GARAGE IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
MAYBE I'M BIASED, BUT I THINK WE BUILT ONE OF THE NICEST LOOKING GARAGES IN TOWN, SO WE WOULD LIKE THAT VARIANCE GRANTED SO THAT WE CAN COMPLETE THE GARAGE.
AND THEN THE LAST VARIANCES IS THE PARKING COMPONENT.
WE HAVE OVER 800 PARKING SPOTS IN OUR PARKING ZONE.
THAT IS ABOUT TWO POINT EIGHT PER THOUSAND, BUT THE WAY WE MEASURE TWO POINT EIGHT PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, WE IN OUR ENTIRE PORTFOLIO ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND I CAN GO ON ABOUT THIS FOREVER AND I'M NOT GOING TO.
WE PARK OUR PORTFOLIO ON AVERAGE AT TWO THOUSAND.
AND SO WHAT WE FIND IN OUR OWN PORTFOLIO IS WE HAVE NINE THOUSAND PARKING SPOTS THAT WE DON'T USE.
AND SO WE ARE JUST WANTING TO BUILD IS AS THE PROPER AMOUNT FOR THIS PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND WE PUT FORWARD WHAT WE THINK THAT IS THE THERE'S ABOUT 40 OR 50 SPACES THAT MIGHT ONE DAY HAVE TO PARK IN THE PUBLIC GARAGE.
BUT QUITE FRANKLY, THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY.
IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, I AM MORE THAN GLAD TO ANSWER THEM.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR BREVITY AND JUST NOTED FOR THE RECORD, WE DO HAVE YOUR HANDOUT ON PARKING RATIOS FOR YOUR PORTFOLIO THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST AND ROCKY MOUNTAIN AREA.
SO THAT WAS THAT WAS HELPFUL FOR ME.
AND I GUESS MAYBE JUST REALLY QUICKLY, CAN YOU GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY OF HOW PHASE ONE WENT JUST IN TERMS OF JUST TIMING? LEASE UP JUST.
WE UNDERWROTE WHERE WE COMPLETED ON SCHEDULE.
IT TOOK A LITTLE OVER A YEAR TO BUILD THAT BUILDING.
PHASE ONE IS ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND FOOT AND SIX STORIES.
THIS BUILDING IS ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND FEET AND FIVE STORIES, JUST A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
WE ANTICIPATE AN ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION PERIOD OF ABOUT 11 MONTHS.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE WOULD START RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST QUARTER.
OUR PLANNING WITH THE CITY AND GETTING OUR PERMIT.
ON PHASE ONE, IT TOOK ABOUT 19 MONTHS TO LEASE.
WE HAVE MULTIPLE MULTIPLE CALLS FOR SPACE.
WE ARE VERY, VERY CERTAIN THAT IF WE CAN GET THIS BUILDING UP AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, WHICH WE INTEND TO, THAT IT WILL BE EQUALLY SUCCESSFUL.
SOUTHLAKE THIS LITTLE BUILDING IN SOUTHLAKE, I CALL IT A LITTLE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF OUR SMALLER PROPERTIES, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR BEST PERFORMING PROPERTIES.
WE'VE HAD OUR CUSTOMERS HAVE COME BACK FASTER TO THIS BUILDING BECAUSE OF COVID.
WE'RE AT ABOUT 85 PERCENT OCCUPANCY.
MOST OF OUR PORTFOLIO IS SITTING ABOUT 55 PERCENT.
WE, LIKE I SAID, WE GET WE GET CALLS EVERY DAY FOR MORE SPACE, SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT GETTING THIS PROJECT STARTED.
WE WILL CLOSE THE LAND WITH COOPER COMPANIES IN JANUARY, AND WE'LL BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN LATE MARCH OR EARLY APRIL.
ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR ME, THEN I'LL PASS IT AROUND THE THE PAD SITE, I GUESS.
AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T A SITE PLAN REQUEST RELATED TO THAT.
BUT JUST IS THERE ANY CONTEXT YOU CAN ADD FOR WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THERE AND MAYBE JUST WOULD, WHATEVER YOU KNOW, IF YOU PUT A RESTAURANT, WHICH I THINK YOU KNOW, JUST SELFISHLY, I THINK THAT SOUNDS A LOT NICER TO ME THAN A BANK PROPOSAL.
BUT COULD YOU USE THE ADJACENT PARKING FACILITY STRUCTURE TO HELP PART THAT JUST GIVEN THE PEAK RESTAURANT DEMAND? AND THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY ON PHASE ONE AND IT WAS IT WILL FLOW
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INTO PHASE TWO, THE LOWEST FLOOR OF THE PARKING GARAGE, WHICH IS ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 100 SPACES.IT'S PARKED AS TWO HOUR PARKING.
AND THE REASON IT'S FOR TWO HOUR PARKING IS WE WANT TO USE THAT FOR VISITORS TO OUR OFFICE SPACE AS WELL AS WE ALLOW CITY VISITORS.
SO IF WE HAD IF YOU HAD VISITORS AT THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEY COULDN'T PARK FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PARK IN THE LOWER FLOOR OF THE GARAGE.
OUR AGREEMENT WITH COOPER COMPANIES THAT THE RESTAURANTS CAN PARK IN THE LOWER FLOOR OF THIS GARAGE AS WELL.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, AFTER HOURS FROM FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING UNTIL 7:00 A.M.
THE NEXT MORNING, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK AND THEN ALL DAYS ON WEEKENDS, THE GARAGE IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
IF YOU'VE EVER COME OUT TO THE FIREWORK SHOW, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE OUR GARAGE IS FULL OF PEOPLE WATCHING THE FIREWORKS SHOW.
I'M TOLD THAT IT'S A REALLY KEEN PLACE TO HANG OUT.
IF THERE'S HAIL IN THE AREA, YOU DON'T HAVE A GARAGE.
I KNOW THAT OUR GARAGE IS RATHER FULL IN THOSE DAYS, SO THAT'S THE USE OF THE GARAGE.
I MEAN, IT'S EFFECTIVELY A PUBLIC GARAGE, EXCEPT FOR THOSE WORK HOURS IN THE OFFICE.
PASS IT AROUND ANY [INAUDIBLE]? WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO ONLY DO FIVE FLOORS IF YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE OTHER ONE? WELL, BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE PARKING RATIO RATIO, YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE BUILT ANOTHER FLOOR OF BUILDING, BUT THEN THAT WOULD HAVE TAKEN OUR PARKING RATIO DOWN TOO LOW.
ITEMS NUMBER 10 AND 11 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DO CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS 10 AND 11.
PLEASE COME FORWARD IF YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THOSE AND NOT SEEING ANY TAKERS.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I GUESS.
NOT POTENTIALLY REALLY A LOT TO SAY HERE, WHICH IS KIND OF NICE.
I MEAN, I REALLY LIKE HOW IT KIND OF COMPLETES DIVISION STREET AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL ACTIVATE THE PARK ACROSS THE STREET AND KIND OF MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY OVER THERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY, THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB ON THE FIRST BUILDING.
HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THE GOOD JOB ON THE SECOND BUILDING AND WE LOVE BUILDING UP OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAX BASE OR BRINGING SOME MORE DAYTIME SHOPPERS FOR RETAIL SALES TAXES, HOTEL TAXES, ETC.
SO I MEAN, HOPEFULLY WE CAN KEEP REPLICATING THE SUCCESS UP AND DOWN 114 SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA ZA21-0087.
SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 18TH 2021 FURTHER SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED NOVEMBER 18TH 2021 AND NOTING APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCES REQUESTED.
HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND? VOTE, PLEASE AND PASSES 7-0 ON ITEM NUMBER 10.
REAL QUICK BEFORE WE DO ITEM NUMBER 11.
I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A SIGN REQUEST HERE.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL TAKE THIS VOTE ON ITEM 11 WE'LL GAVEL OUT THIS MEETING START SIGN BOARD MEETING WE'LL PROBABLY MOVE YOU UP TO THE FIRST ITEM REAL QUICK WHILE IT'S FRESH ON OUR BRAIN, AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THAT.
SO JUST REAL QUICK, WE'LL DO ITEM NUMBER 11 NOW.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 11 ON OUR AGENDA ZA21-0088 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 12TH 2021 AND SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED NOVEMBER 12TH 2021 AND APPROVING NOTING APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE REQUESTED.
WE A MOTION DO WE HAVE SECOND? SECOND.
VOTE PLEASE AND PASSES SEVEN ZERO.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE SO FAR AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE REST OF THE PROJECT AS WELL.
AND GAVEL OUT OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.