Feb 08, 2022 SPIN Town Hall Forum

HELLO, EVERYBODY. GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS ERIC WANG.

[1. Call to Order: Video Introduction of SPIN Program by Southlake Mayor John Huffman]

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ONE OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS A COMMITTEE IS HOSTING SPIN TOWN HALL FORUMS. THE PURPOSE OF SPIN IS TO GAIN FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS ON PROJECTS AND OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY.

MANY OF THE ITEMS PRESENTED ARE DEVELOPMENT RELATED.

I LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT SPIN IS AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND NO VOTES ARE TAKEN AND NO DECISIONS ARE MADE TONIGHT.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT SPIN IS STREAMED LIVE THROUGH VIDEO ON DEMAND, AND WE LIKE TO ASK THOSE IN ATTENDANCE WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

USE THE MICROPHONES AT THE FRONT SO THOSE WATCHING FROM HOME CAN HEAR.

NEXT, WE WILL SHOW A BRIEF VIDEO INTRODUCTION OF THE SPIN PROGRAM BY OUR SOUTHLAKE MAYOR, JOHN HUFFMAN.

GOOD EVENING, I'M SOUTHLAKE MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT'S SPIN TOWN HALL FORUM.

THE ITEMS PRESENTED IT'S BEEN REPRESENT IDEAS, OFTEN IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT. NOW WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THIS CONVERSATION STARTS HERE FIRST WITH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WITH YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

FOR THE DEVELOPER, THERE ARE NO VOTES TAKEN AT SPIN AND NO DECISIONS ARE MADE.

SPIN IS SIMPLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE.

BUT ONCE THE MEETING IS OVER, BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ARE PROVIDED WITH A SPIN MEETING REPORT THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE DISCUSSION FROM TONIGHT. WE TAKE YOUR IMPRESSIONS AND QUESTIONS INTO ACCOUNT WHEN CONSIDERING ANY ITEM THAT COMES BEFORE US FURTHER ALONG IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION TO HELPING MAKE SOUTHLAKE A BETTER PLACE. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT! AS A QUICK REMINDER, AFTER THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS CAN COME STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS. YOU'RE WELCOME TO LINE UP AND QUEUE UP WHEN THE Q&A PORTION FOR THE ITEM BEGINS. IN ADDITION, WE ALSO DEVELOPED A SPIN ONLINE QUESTION AND COMMENT FORM FOR RESIDENTS WHO AREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT.

SO I'LL READ SOME OF THOSE SUBMISSIONS AND WE'VE RECEIVED ONE AFTER THOSE IN ATTENDANCE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK AGAIN.

THIS MEETING IS BROADCAST LIVE THROUGH OUR CITIES VIDEO ON DEMAND SYSTEM AND CAN BE ACCESSED THROUGH OUR CITY'S MAIN WEBSITE.

CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. WITH THAT, LET US GET INTO THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION.

[2. SPIN2022-03 - An applicant is proposing to develop four (4) one-acre residential lots generally located at the SW corner of N. White Chapel and Bob Jones Rd, also addressed as 4078 N. White Chapel Blvd. within SPIN Neighborhood #1.]

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP FOR ONE ACRE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH WHITE CHAPEL AND BOB JONES ROAD, ALSO ADDRESSED AS FOUR ZERO SEVEN EIGHT NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD.

JAMES AND RICH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP.

IS A LITTLE WEIRD, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO FEEL KIND OF LIKE A FAMILY DISCUSSION, BUT WE'RE ALL GOING TO USE MICROPHONES.

MY NAME IS RICH DIET.

I'VE BEEN WORKING IN SOUTHLAKE SINCE THE EARLY 90S.

I THINK THE FIRST PROJECT I DID WAS PRINCETON PARK AND WE DID CLARIDEN RANCH, WINDING CREEK AND SHADY OAKS, AND A LOT OF THE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS AROUND TOWN.

WE ALSO DID CLARIDEN RANCH, WHICH IS JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND I THINK I REMEMBER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEFORE TONIGHT.

I THINK I WAS AROUND WHEN THEY STARTED SPIN.

SO I'VE SEEN THIS THROUGH SEVERAL ROTATIONS OF STAFF AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AND IT'S AN INTERESTING PROGRAM BECAUSE MOST CITIES DON'T HAVE THIS.

AND I REMEMBER THE NONA WHITEHEAD WAS THE FIRST DIRECTOR THAT PROBABLY DID YOUR JOB TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO.

THE THING THAT'S GOOD ABOUT THIS IS IT'S INFORMAL BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S ACRIMONY, THERE'S PEOPLE ARE OFFENDED, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY AND THEY SHOW UP AND IT GETS KIND OF HARD.

AND THAT'S WHY MAYOR HUFFMAN WORKED SO HARD TO POINT OUT THIS IS JUST AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING FOR YOU AND FOR US.

USUALLY, IF WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE'LL LEARN THINGS FROM YOU AND YOU'LL LEARN THINGS FROM US. AND AT THIS POINT, NOBODY'S DOING ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST REALLY US THINKING ABOUT HOW TO MOVE AHEAD.

AND I KNOW WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND I'LL TRY TO KIND OF ADDRESS THOSE AS I GO THROUGH.

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IT HAS A FUTURE LAND USE SLIDE, WHICH SHOWS THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS YOU'LL SEE WHERE IT IS. IT'S A THERE'S A LITTLE CORNER PIECE THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN IT.

IN MY SCREEN, IT'S FORTY SEVENTY EIGHT, WHICH IS KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN, A LITTLE L-SHAPED LOT.

IT'S THIS PIECE HERE, NOT INCLUDING THIS PIECE HERE.

SO THIS IS RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY ZONED AG, IT'S NOT ZONED AT ALL.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REZONING ON THIS.

WE ARE PLANNING LOTS THAT ARE MINIMUM ONE ACRE LOTS, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE LAYOUT HERE AND THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE.

SO THIS ISN'T REAL COMPLICATED PRESENTATION.

ALL OF THESE LOTS ARE OVER ONE ACRE.

WE'LL HAVE A DEDICATION ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WHEN YOU PLAT PROPERTY, YOU GIVE SOME PROPERTY TO THE PUBLIC.

AND THAT'S A DEDICATION THAT WE DO.

IT'S A PIECE OF LAND THAT IS REQUIRED BASED ON THE FUTURE PLANS FOR IN THIS CASE, BOB JONES ROAD.

A NORMAL STREET, THIS IS A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WITH A LITTLE CUL DE SAC, AND ALL OF THESE HOMES WILL FRONT ON THE STREET AND CUL DE SAC.

THIS ONE, THIS LOT HERE REALLY COULD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE, BUT THIS IS REALLY WHERE MOST OF THE TREES ARE ON THE PROPERTY.

THESE TREES ARE NOT WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER REALLY MATURE, BECAUSE IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT THEM, IT'S MOSTLY SIX EIGHT 10 INCH TREES.

THERE MAY BE A 12 INCH TREE.

THERE'S NOT ANY 48 INCH PECANS OR ANYTHING THAT I KNOW OF IN THERE.

MOST OF THE TREES ARE PRETTY LIGHT, SO THESE LINES HERE ARE CONTOUR LINES.

AND SO THIS ELEVATION IS 596, 594, 592, 590.

SO EACH ONE OF THESE LINES REPRESENTS A TWO FOOT CHANGE IN ELEVATION.

EVERYTHING DRAINS FROM HERE.

THE TOP OF THE HILL IS JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE PICTURE.

SO THERE'S NOT A LOT COMING TO US, AND IT DRAINS DOWN TO, GETS KIND OF FLAT DOWN IN HERE DOWN TO A LOW POINT THERE.

SO THAT'S THE DRAINAGE.

THAT'S THE TREES KIND OF THE CONTOUR, THE LAY OF THE LAND.

BY THE WAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN READ THIS IS BOB JONES ROAD AND THIS IS WHITE CHAPLAIN. I'M GOING TO ASSUME EVERYBODY KIND OF HAS A CONTEXT FOR WHERE THIS IS.

SO WE HAVE ACCESS TO WATER, WHICH IS IN THE STREET SO THAT UTILITY IS COVERED.

THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE COULD HANDLE THE SEWAGE FOR THE PROPERTY AND DRAINAGE IS REALLY PRETTY EASY BECAUSE EVERYTHING DRAINS WITH NOT A LOT OF EXTRA COMING TO US FROM THE WEST.

EVERYTHING DRAINS TO THE ROAD AND WE'LL MANAGE THAT.

THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR US TO DEAL WITH WHATEVER DRAINAGE ISSUES WE HAVE.

TYPICALLY, THESE STREETS WILL BE LIKE A THIRTY ONE FOOT STREET.

IT'S FROM THE FACE OF THE CURVE TO THE OTHER FACE OF CURBS, ABOUT 30 FEET.

AND THAT'S. AND THEN THE CUL DE SAC IS REQUIRED FOR FIRE APPARATUSES TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR TURNS AND TO TURN AROUND.

SO THAT'S REALLY IT.

SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I SAW, AND I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I'LL GO THROUGH THE ONES I REMEMBER HAD TO DO WITH THE ACRE.

THE LOT SIZE AND WE'RE OVER AN ACRE WITH ALL FOUR OF THESE LOTS.

TYPICAL 50 FOOT STREET, IT WILL BE MADE POURED CONCRETE AND WILL NOT BE ASPHALT IT'LL BE CONCRETE. WE'RE NOT SURE ABOUT FENCING YET.

WE'LL CERTAINLY COMPLY WITH WHAT THE CITY REQUIRES IF WE DO THAT.

BUT THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT I KNOW THE DEVELOPER IS LOOKING AT, AND THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOME SORT OF A FEATURE AT THE ENTRANCE.

WE'RE OPEN TO GATING, I GUESS, BUT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT.

MY CLIENT ON THIS IS JOHN HAWKINS AND JAMES COX, AND JAMES IS HERE TONIGHT, AND THEY WORKED WITH US DOING THE METAIRIE, WHICH IS I ACTUALLY LIVE ABOUT 500 FEET FROM THAT PROPERTY, WHICH IS GREAT.

IT'S A GREAT DEVELOPMENT, AND I GOT TO WATCH THE WHOLE THING GET BUILT.

AND BECAUSE I WAS THE ENGINEER, I WAS A LOT MORE AVAILABLE FOR CONTRACTOR QUESTIONS, WHICH WAS NOT A GOOD THING ALL THE TIME.

THINKING WHAT ELSE? WE HAD GATES, TREES,

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I DON'T THINK WE CARE THAT MUCH, BUT I THINK THE CITY'S REQUIRED THAT IN THE PAST, SO I IMAGINE WE WILL.

I KNOW THAT ACROSS THE STREET TO OUR NORTH, SADDLEBACK HAD THE POWER LINES LOWERED THERE.

WHEN I DID CLARIDEN RANCH 15 YEARS AGO, IT WAS REQUIRED THERE.

SO IT IS NOT A BIG LINE.

THERE IS ONLY, I LOOK UP THERE ARE ONLY C2 POWER WIRES AT THE TOP OF IT, WHICH MEANS IT HAS TO BE LOW VOLTAGE, I DON'T KNOW THE SPECS ON IT RIGHT NOW, BUT.

AND IT'S GOT SOME TELECOM HANGING ON IT AS WELL, SO WE'RE THINKING THROUGH IT.

WE'VE ANTICIPATED IF WE HAVE TO DO IT, WE'LL DO IT.

THE PRICE POINT, I THINK MR. COX WAS TELLING ME TODAY IT WOULD BE PROBABLY THREE MILLION MORE OR LESS FOR EACH UNIT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE.

I'M SORRY, CAN SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL GO AHEAD AND WE CAN PROBABLY GET TO THE QUESTIONS AFTER YOUR PRESENTATION.

OK? THOSE IN ATTENDANCE ASK.

WELL, I THINK I THINK I'M DONE.

OKAY. I THINK I'VE COVERED ALMOST EVERYTHING.

I DO WANT TO MENTION WHEN DOING THE METARIE WITH THIS PARTICULAR CLIENT.

THEY WERE SORT OF NEW TO TOWN.

THEY CAME FROM DALLAS AND I THINK THEY KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN OVER THERE AND SEEING THE PRODUCT, BUT THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS COMMERCIAL.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN PARKING LOTS AND LIGHT STANDS.

AND WHO KNOWS WHAT OVER THERE INSTEAD OF THE CITY ALLOWED US TO PUT A REALLY NICE SUBDIVISION THERE WITH REALLY NICE HOMES.

AND I THINK THERE ARE THREE BUILDERS IN THERE.

ALL OF THEM HAVE WORKED WITH ALL OF THEM.

ONE OF THEM WAS I HAD A DEVELOPMENT THAT I DID OVER IN KELLER, AND THEY WERE MY PARTNER ON THAT ONE. AND THERE'S USUALLY A TRAINING PERIOD THAT COMES ALONG WITH NEW DEVELOPERS AND WE TRY TO BREAK THEM IN.

BUT HAWKINS WELLWOOD FROM THE GET GO UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. SO I'M HAPPY TO BE HELPING THEM WITH THIS ONE TOO.

SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO.

AWESOME. SO THIS ITEM IS NOW OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

WE ASK THOSE WITH QUESTIONS.

PLEASE USE THE MICROPHONES IN THE AISLE FOR THOSE WATCHING FROM HOME SO THEY CAN HEAR.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I HAVE THE 10 ACRES ON BOB JONES JUST PAST SADDLEBACK AND SO SORT OF CATTY CORNER FROM THIS PLACE. YOU HAVE SADDLEBACK AND THEN YOU HAVE ME.

YEAH, SO I HAVE THE NEXT BIG PROPERTY.

SO WHO WILL BUILD THESE? IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE SADDLEBACK, WHERE DIFFERENT CUSTOM BUILDERS MIGHT BE ENGAGED BY A CLIENT? NO.

ALL OF THE LOTS WILL BE OWNED BY HAWKINS WELLWOOD AND THEIR A FABULOUS HOME BUILDER.

AND JAMES WORKS WITH THEM, AND I'M SURE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN A LOT, HE'D BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOU. I GOT A FOUR MILLION DOLLAR [INAUDIBLE].

THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE DID YOU SAY THE PRICE POINT WAS LIKE SADDLEBACK LIKE THREE MILLION AND UP? YES, SIR.

YES, SIR. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.

SO WE DON'T WE DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT, ANY SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT OR JUST TO BE. WE HAVE NOT KIND OF DIVED INTO THE AOC GUIDELINES YET, BUT YES, THERE'LL BE A MINIMUM FOR SURE. AND SO ACTUALLY SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO USE THE MICROPHONE? SO FOR THOSE ONLINE, THEY CAN HEAR? THANK YOU. OK.

OK. SO YOU DON'T MIND JUST ASKING THE QUESTION AGAIN? SURE. SO I THINK MY LAST QUESTION WAS ANY MINIMUM OF SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT.

YES, I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE A MINIMUM OF SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT.

BUT YOU DON'T WHAT IT IS, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT IS YET.

ALL RIGHTY. IS THERE LIGHTING IN THERE? THERE WILL BE SOME STREET LIGHTS, MAYBE.

I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND THEN ANY LIGHTING IS PART OF THE HOMES WE THOUGH THE ARC GUIDELINES, OR VERY STRICT ARC GUIDELINES, CAN CONTROL ANY LIGHT POLLUTION FROM THE HOMES THEMSELVES.

OK. ALL RIGHTY.

SO PART OF THE REASON I CAME TONIGHT, SO THIS IS NOT INDIVIDUALLY, JUST YOU WANT TO SELL FOR A LOT, YOU'VE REALLY GOING TO DEVELOP IT?

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ALL RIGHTY. ANOTHER QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN TO LEAVE SOME OF THE TREES? WE DO, AND SO RICH KIND OF HINTED AT THIS, BUT LOT FOUR AND THEN REALLY ALL WE WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE, LOT FOUR WHICH RICH TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

OUR PLAN NOW IS TO NOT EVEN GRADE THAT LOT, BUT WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A HOUSE PLAN FOR THAT AND THEN SHAPE IT INTO THE LOT TO SAVE TREES AS WE CAN.

AND THEN I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT NINE YEARS IN THIS PROPERTY.

WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT AN EASEMENT ON THE CORNER? WHAT WILL BE THERE? THAT'S A THAT'S ANOTHER LOT, AND WE'VE INVESTIGATED TRYING TO GET THAT INCORPORATED, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD MUCH LUCK WITH THAT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD STAY UP HERE.

OFTEN I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THIS POINT ON, BUT THAT CORNER A LOT AS FAR AS I'VE EVER LOOKED, IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL.

SO I MEAN, PROBABLY A LOT OF US DON'T WANT TO SEE LIKE A GAS STATION OR SOMETHING, GO IN THERE. YOU MAY NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL OF THAT, BUT I MEAN, FOR THE HOMEOWNERS BUILDING THERE, THEY NEED TO BE AWARE THAT THAT'S COMMERCIAL AND SOMETHING MAY BE GOING IN THERE, BUT. AND A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS.

ONE, IT'S COMING TO THE CITY.

LET ME LET ME ADDRESS THAT.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP.

AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S SHOWN TO BE AGRICULTURAL.

AND THEN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN SHOWS THAT LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S 40/60? YEAH. YEAH, I KNOW ONE TIME I LOOKED AND IT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL.

MAYBE I THINK IT. I THINK AT ONE POINT IT WAS, BUT IT IS CLEARLY NOT IN BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE IN THE LAST 25 YEARS IN SOUTHLAKE.

IT ISN'T GOING TO BE A SEE STORE.

OK, AND THEN I NOTICED YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH USING YOUR FULL AIR AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, MAYBE A QUESTION OF THE CITY AS WELL AS YOU.

BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS, OF COURSE, ARE BIGGER DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THEY'VE GOT KIND OF DEDICATED GREEN AREAS AS A REQUIREMENT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IS THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A SMALLER DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT'S NOT REQUIRED OR.

IT'S NOT REQUIRED, WE PROBABLY WILL BE GOING FOR STRAIGHT ZONING.

HAWKINS WELLWOOD, WE'RE GOING TO ENHANCE WHAT'S REQUIRED IN ZONING.

FOR INSTANCE, CURRENT ZONING REQUIRES A 40 FOOT FRONT YARD AND A 40 FOOT REAR YARD AND A 20 FOOT SIDE YARD.

OK. SO THAT THOSE ARE ACTUALLY THAT'S THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF GROUND.

ALSO IN SF1A, I THINK THE SMALLEST HOUSE IS LIKE TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

YEAH, NOBODY'S GOING TO BUILD A TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT HOUSE THERE FOR THIS.

SO I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS SOMETHING ON THE LIGHTING TOO.

YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE LIGHTING.

WHEN I DID ESTES PARK, I LIVE IN ESTES PARK AND I GOT THE CITY TO LET ME NOT PUT IN STREET LIGHTING NEAR MY HOUSE.

AND SO I'VE BEEN FOR 15 YEARS BEEN ABLE TO ENJOY A DARK STREET.

AND I LOVE IT TODAY BECAUSE OF LEDS.

IF WE HAVE TO DO STREET LIGHTS, WE CAN ACTUALLY DO SHORT ONES INSTEAD OF THE BIG TALL ONES. AND THAT WILL LIGHT THE GROUND NEAR THE CARS, BUT IT WON'T LIGHT EVERYTHING UP LIKE YOU'RE USED TO SEE HIM. AND I LIKE THAT CONCEPT FOR A LOT OF REASONS.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME SECURITY CONCERNS SOMETIMES, BUT I LIKE THE ENVIRONMENT THAT IT CREATES A LOT BETTER, AND I WILL ENCOURAGE HAWKINS WELLWOOD TO THINK ABOUT DOING KIND OF THE LOWER PROFILE LIGHTING OUT THERE.

SO I'M ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING YOU.

THERE IS MATT MAHONEY'S PROPERTY AND THEN ON THE FIVE ACRES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, BUT SINCE HE SURROUNDS YOU, HE WOULD BE MOST IMPACTED BY THIS.

HAVE YOU TALKED TO HIM DIRECTLY YET OR? AND THAT'S TO THE SOUTH OF US? HE'S HE'S GOT AN L-SHAPED PROPERTY TOO SURROUNDING ME.

NO, I HAVE, I HAD ZERO LUCK, SO I TAPED A BUSINESS CARD ON THEIR BRICK ENTRANCE WITH NO ANSWER. SO I HAVE NOT TRIED BUT HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THAT.

OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.

BUT I CAN HAND YOU A CARD, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PASS IT ALONG TO HIM, THAT'D BE GREAT.

OK, CHECK SOME SOMEWHAT.

OK. YEAH, I'D LOVE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.

HI, I JUST HAD A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS.

FOR FENCING, I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW THE FENCING YET.

ARE YOU ALL THINKING WROUGHT IRON OR MORE STONE FENCE OR WHATEVER CITY APPROVES? NO, I WOULD LIKE RICHARD SAY WE WILL GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT WHATEVER THE CITY APPROVES, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS YET.

INITIAL DESIGN CONCEPTS, I CAN SEE A MIX OF STONE AND PIPE FENCE AND KIND OF THAT THEME,

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OK. AND WHATEVER FENCING GOES IN WOULD BE PROPERTY OF EACH INDIVIDUAL OR THE DEVELOPER.

ONCE AGAIN, NOT COMPLETELY FIGURED OUT WHAT FENCE IS GOING TO GO WHERE, BUT IT WOULD BE PROBABLY BE A DEVELOPMENT WALL.

AND CORRECT ME IF I'M BE A DEVELOPMENT WALL AND THEN IN BETWEEN EACH LOT, THAT FENCE WOULD BE OWNED BY EACH LOT.

OK, DO YOU KNOW IF LIVESTOCK WOULD BE ALLOWED ON EACH LOT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

THEY DON'T. OK.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A, I'M GLAD MY JOKE WASN'T ON MIC.

FOR ONE ACRE THERE, IT CAN DO LIMITED THINGS, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY SUITABLE FOR MUCH IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY KIND OF SMALL, EVEN FOR A HORSE.

YEAH. OK. SO I WOULDN'T EXPECT IT.

AND THIS WON'T BE GATED, CORRECT? WE'RE OPEN TO IT.

WE HAD ON THE METAIRIE THAT INITIALLY WAS GATED AND WE DEVELOPER DECIDED WE DON'T NEED IT.

SO THEY LEFT IT UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHO OPTED NOT TO.

SO WE'RE OPEN TO IT, I GUESS, IF FOR SOME REASON IT WAS WANTED OR NEEDED, BUT WE CAN DO IT WITHOUT YOU AND WE DON'T KNOW YET.

OK, SO POINT OF INGRESS EGRESS.

IS THAT BOB JONES? YES. YES. OK.

ANY IDEA WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO TRAFFIC FLOW? FOUR LOTS WILL YIELD TOTAL TRAFFIC OF ABOUT 40 TRIPS PER DAY.

THAT WON'T BE NOTICED ON BOB JONES.

I MEAN, SOMEBODY MIGHT OBVIOUSLY LOOK AND SAY THAT CAR IS WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA AT ALL RIGHT NOW. OK.

AND THEN I KNOW IT WAS ALREADY ASKED ABOUT RESTRICTIONS AND LOT MINIMUMS AND EVERYTHING BUT MATERIALS. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT MATERIALS ON THE HOMES? NOT REALLY. I MEAN, I HAVE A.

SO I HAVE AN ARCHITECTURE BACKGROUND, AND SO I HAVE AN IDEA IN MY HEAD OF MORE OF A HILL COUNTRY TYPE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, WHICH WOULD LEND ITSELF TO STONE AND SOME MIXED MATERIALS. BUT NONE OF THAT'S REALLY IRONED OUT YET.

WE WILL. WE WILL HAVE A VERY STRICT RRC GUIDELINE, WHICH WILL INCLUDE VIEW RESTRICTIONS.

WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PROTECT PEOPLE'S PRIVACY IN THEIR BACKYARDS.

BUT ULTIMATELY, WE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE A DEVELOPMENT THAT CREATES VALUE FOR A LONG TIME.

AND SO THE ARC GUIDELINES, WE TAKE THOSE VERY SERIOUSLY IN THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THE METAIRIE. AND SO WE'LL IRON ALL THOSE LITTLE DETAILS OUT.

OKAY, AND THEN LAST QUESTION, DETENTION RETENTION POND, NO PLANS FOR THAT NOT NEEDED? IF WE NEED THAT TO MEET THE CITY'S GUIDELINES, WE'LL DO IT.

I'M HOPEFUL WE WON'T BECAUSE IT'S A REALLY SMALL DEVELOPMENT FOR ONE, AND THOSE CAN TURN INTO MOSQUITO TRAPS AND MAINTENANCE HEADACHES.

WITH ONE ACRE LOTS, IT'S A LITTLE LESS OF A CONCERN, BUT THAT'LL BOIL DOWN TO WHETHER IT'S REQUIRED OR NOT.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WATER AMENITY PLANNED FOR THIS.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'D REALLY PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN BUILD A FISHING POND FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'LL BOIL DOWN TO WHAT'S REQUIRED BASED ON THE WATER GOES DOWN BASICALLY TO BOB JONES PARK, AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS.

OKAY, SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. GOOD QUESTIONS.

I DON'T THINK THAT YOU HAVE PROBABLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS YET, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THAT FAR ALONG. THE SETBACK IS DETERMINED BY THE CITY OR WILL Y'ALL DETERMINE THAT ON THE HOUSES? THE THE BUILDING SETBACK LINES ARE SET BY ZONING IN THIS CASE, AND THEY'RE PRETTY GENEROUS 40 FEET IN THE FRONT, 40 FEET OFF THE REAR PROPERTY LINE AND 20 FEET ON THE SIDE. THAT'S RIGHT, OK.

THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT AS HE SAID WE LIVE NEXT DOOR TO SADDLEBACK RIDGE.

ONE OF OUR CONCERNS WAS SADDLEBACK RIDGE WAS THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL LOTS TO BACK UP TO OUR PROPERTY. WHEN YOU BUILD A FENCE ON THIS, IT WILL BE ALL ONE FENCE, IS THAT CORRECT? NOT YOU'RE.

YOU'RE TRULY THINKING THAT THE PERIMETER FENCING WILL BE ONE FENCE, NOT EACH INDIVIDUAL.

WELL, IT COULD BE THAT WAY, AND I HAVEN'T PERSONALLY READ THEIR RESTRICTIONS, BUT THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT SORT OF THING.

SO YOU WON'T HAVE SOME MAPLE STONE IN ONE PLACE, RIGHT? AND SANDSTONE OR MILLSAP AND OTHERS.

IT WON'T BE DISJOINTED.

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IT'LL BE WRITTEN INTO THEIR GUIDELINES.

AND THE REASON IS THAT INSURERS VALUE.

YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE IFFY NEXT DOOR, AND I THINK THEY'VE CORRECTED IT. BUT IT'S IT'S A CONCERN WHEN YOU BACK UP TO IT THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE 10 DIFFERENT FENCES WITH THAT.

YEAH, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE RETAINING WALLS EITHER, BUT WE TRY TO COORDINATE RETAINING WALLS AND FENCES SO THAT THEY WORK.

AND IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE RETAINING WALLS AND THE LOT THAT THEY SORT OF MATCH OR COMPLEMENT THE FENCES AS WELL.

SO A LOT OF THOUGHT ACTUALLY GOES INTO THAT AND THE STREET THE ADDRESSES WOULD BE THEIR OWN. THEY'RE NOT BOB JONES, THEY'RE NOT WHITE CHAPEL.

THEY WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT NAME.

YEAH, THAT'S A THAT THAT'S A PROVINCE OF THE CITY, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THESE LOTS ON BOB JONES OR NORTH WHITE CHAPEL.

VERY UNUSUAL FOR THEM TO DO THAT.

MY ONLY COMMENTS ARE, WE LIVE IN A RURAL AREA.

WE HAVE A LOT OF WILDLIFE THAT WE REALLY ENJOY, AND I HOPE THAT WHATEVER Y'ALL DO WILL NOT DISCOURAGE THE WILDLIFE THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG BENEFITS OF LIVING OUT THERE, EXCEPT FOR THE HOGS. SO WELL, I WOULD HAVE I WOULD HAVE DOWN WHITE CHAPEL A COUPLE OF MILES AND ESTES PARK, AND WE HAVE IN OUR SUBDIVISION FOXES THAT WE WATCH ON OUR RING CAMERA. MY WIFE GETS UP EVERY MORNING TO SEE WHO VISITED US THE NIGHT BEFORE, SO WE'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

ON THE TREES, THE ROAD THAT WE HAVE COMING IN OFF OF BOB JONES WILL GO RIGHT HERE, BUT WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DO GRADING.

THESE LOTS DON'T NEED IT.

THEY ALL SLOPED TOWARDS THE ROAD AND THIS LOT HAS ALL THESE TREES.

AND SO THE ONLY TREE REMOVAL THAT WILL DO IS FOR THE ROAD ITSELF.

WE WON'T BE BACKING UP AND CLEAR CUTTING ANYTHING FOR THIS.

AND WHAT THAT WILL ALLOW IS FOR A BUILDER WHO WILL HAVE A PLAN THAT THEY DO THEIR LAYOUT OF THEIR THEIR FLOOR PLAN ON, AND THEY CAN SEE WHICH TREES THERE WILL BE A TREE SURVEY DONE AND THEY'LL BE NUMBERED AND TAGGED SO THAT HE CAN DECIDE WHICH TREES ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT AND USEFUL.

AND BELIEVE ME, THERE ISN'T ANYBODY THAT CARES MORE ABOUT TREES THAN.

MOST DEVELOPERS AROUND HERE CARE MORE THAN THE CITY DOES, FRANKLY.

WE'VE SEEN THAT REPEATEDLY, IT'S JUST HARD TO SAVE EVERY TREE AND SOMETIMES WE WORK AROUND THE BIG ONES. WE EVERY NOW AND THEN WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT HAS A TREE THAT IS KIND OF UNCOMFORTABLY PLACED FOR US, AND IT USUALLY TURNS INTO THAT.

WE CALL IT THE TREE OF LIFE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO END UP TOUCHING IT.

AND WE KNOW THAT UP FRONT, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN IN OUR PLANNING SO FAR TO TRY TO LEAVE AS MUCH IN THE WAY OF TREES.

SO ALL WE'LL BE DOING IS CUTTING IN THE ROAD AND EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE LEFT UP TO THE HOMEBUILDERS WHO ARE THE HOME BUILDERS THAT WE HAVE AROUND HERE THAT WE WORK WITH ARE AS INTERESTED IN THOSE TREES AS ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE THEY ENHANCE THE PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE GETTING READY TO SELL TO A HOMEOWNER AND A LOT OF TIMES THE HOMEOWNERS ALREADY INVOLVED.

SO. YEAH, YOUR PICTURES ARE ALWAYS BETTER THAN MINE, ANYWAY.

THAT'S IT. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OF THOSE QUESTIONS ON THAT LIST THAT MAYBE? YEAH. I THINK I MAY HAVE BEEN THE ONE.

THE LIST TO USE, SO I'LL TRY TO SUMMARIZE HERE.

GOOD EVENING. I'M A HOMEOWNER IN SADDLEBACK RIDGE ESTATES.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVEN'T YET ADDRESSED.

WILL THERE BE SIDEWALKS OR IS THERE A PLAN FOR THERE TO BE SIDEWALKS OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL RUN ALONG BOTH WEST BOB JONES ROAD AS WELL AS WHITE CHAPEL? BOTH OF THOSE RIGHT NOW WOULD BE SIDEWALKS TO NOWHERE.

THE CITY HAS ORDINANCES THAT REQUIRE SIDEWALKS TO BE BUILT, OR SO THAT WHEN SIDEWALKS ARE BUILT, THE MONEY'S THERE FOR THEM.

I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE WE HAVE FRONTAGE ON TO DIFFERENT FRONTAGES NOW, BUT IF THE CITY REQUIRES IT, WE'LL DO THAT UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

WE WE COULD GET SADDLEBACK AND OTHER.

WELL, YOU HAVE TO CROSS THE ROAD AND THEN WE COULD CARRY IT ANOTHER TWO HUNDRED FEET.

THAT'S THAT'S ALL THAT WE HAVE FOR FRONTAGE THERE, SO.

AND THEN ON WHITE CHAPEL, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ANYWHERE, SO AT LEAST NOT YET.

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AND SO THERE'S A PROCESS OF CITY GOES THROUGH.

THEY HAVE MONEY PUT ASIDE AND IT COMES FROM US WHATEVER'S REQUIRED.

BUT A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD IT BECAUSE 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN THE REST OF IT'S BUILT, THAT SIDEWALK WILL HAVE TO BE REPLACED AND NOBODY WILL USE IT UNTIL.

SO THERE'S A JUDGMENT CALL THAT SOMETIMES GETS MADE.

SURE. OK, THANK YOU.

DID YOU MENTION THAT THERE WAS A DRAINAGE PLAN FOR STORMWATER? YOU MENTIONED WE'LL MANAGE THAT, BUT I WASN'T SURE WHAT THAT MEANT.

YEAH, WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT WE THE CITY'S SOUTHLAKE IS PRETTY SOPHISTICATED WITH REGARD TO THEIR DRAINAGE.

I SAY THAT AS SOMEBODY, I'VE DONE WORK FOR SOUTHLAKE A LITTLE BIT, AND I'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING IN SOUTHLAKE FOR A LONG TIME.

SO SOUTHLAKE GENERALLY, I MEAN, EVERY EVERY NOW AND THEN THERE ARE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IN OUR CASE.

I'M PROUD OF THE FACT WE DON'T HAVE ANY DRAINAGE PROBLEMS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT.

I WON'T GO INTO THE THEORY BECAUSE I'M NOT TRYING TO SELL YOU MY SERVICES, BUT WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT THE DRAINAGE STUFF.

SO BUT BUT THERE WILL BE IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A DETENTION BASIN FOR ANY REASON, WE'LL DO THAT DOWNSTREAM OF US.

WE HAVE TO LOOK, DO A DRAINAGE STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTING ANYBODY ADVERSELY.

SURE. AND SO WE'LL DO THAT.

WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET.

AND IN THIS CASE, WE KNOW WHERE IT'S COMING FROM TO OUR WEST.

IT'S COMING FROM THE WEST AND IT JUST CONTINUES EAST TO NORTH WHITE CHAPEL.

SO IF WE HAVE PIPES IN THE GROUND OR ANYTHING, THEY'LL GO TO WHITE CHAPEL AND I BELIEVE, OK, IT LOOKS LIKE NOW I THINK PROBABLY GO STRAIGHT ACROSS WHITE CHAPEL, BUT MAYBE NOT.

WE'LL JUST HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE.

WE HAVEN'T STUDIED IT ENOUGH TO KNOW.

SURE, SURE. I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION.

YOU MENTIONED THE SETBACKS 40 FEET, 40, 40, 40 FEET FRONT AND BACK, FRONT AND BACK.

OK, THE TELECOM FIBER PLANS, AS WELL AS THE ELECTRICAL POWER LINES, THOSE WILL ALL BE BURIED. OR IS THAT YET TO BE DETERMINED? THERE'LL BE NEW. WE'LL TALK TO THE CITY.

I'M PRETTY SURE. FRANKLY, I DON'T WANT TO.

I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY CHECKBOOK.

IT'S HIS, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE GOING TO END UP LOWER IN THE LINES THAT ARE THERE ON BOTH WHITE CHAPEL AND BOB JONES, BOB JONES.

AND THAT'S BARELY AN EXTENSION CORD HANGING UP ON THOSE POLES.

ONLY TWO WIRES UP THERE.

YEAH, IT HAS TO BE LOW VOLTAGE AND SO LOW VOLT IS NOT SEVENTEEN THOUSAND VOLTS.

THAT'S PROBABLY TWELVE HUNDRED VOLTS, I'M GUESSING.

SO I'M NOT SURE IT'LL EVEN TAKE THAT MUCH TO DO IT.

BUT THE CITY HAS MADE EVERYBODY ELSE DO IT, AND I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE NOT GOING TO ESCAPE. OK, THEY'RE GOING TO HOLD YOU TO IT.

OK. I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION HERE.

WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF CARS FOR THE SIZE OF HOMES? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REFERRING TO GARAGE SPACES OR THERE WOULD BE A MINIMUM.

WELL, I THINK I WOULD.

I WOULD SAY IN THIS CALIBER OF HOME, I WOULD SAY IT'S GOING TO BE A THREE CAR MINIMUM.

THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE MARKET.

YEAH. NOW, I MEAN, THERE COULD BE A FOUR CAR, YOU KNOW, IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON THE HOMEOWNER INVOLVED.

SURE. BUT IF I IF I HAD TO PUT A NUMBER, I WOULD SAY MOST OF THESE WILL HAVE AT LEAST THREE CARS. YEAH, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION FOR SURE.

WILL THERE BE AN ENTRANCE WALL TO THE DEVELOPMENT? DID WE COVER THAT? WELL BACK TO THE FENCING QUESTION, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE INVESTIGATING NOW. I MEAN, WE WANT IT TO BE A VERY HIGH CLASS DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO DESIGN WISE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT ON WHAT THAT ELEMENT IS.

OK? TO A, CREATE PRIVACY FOR THE FIRST LOT AND JUST MAKE IT A WORLD CLASS DEVELOPMENT.

SURE. ABSOLUTELY.

OK. AND I GUESS THE QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE GATED GOES ALONG WITH THAT YET TO BE TO BE SEEN OR...

DON'T KNOW YET, I MEAN, WE WE JUST WOULD NEED TO GET SOME INPUT, I THINK ON THAT.

OK. WHAT DO YOU THINK? YEAH, WHAT IS WHAT IS YOUR?..

GATED PREFERABLY YEAH.

OK. SO I'LL JUST FOREWARN YOU ON THAT IF WE DECIDE TO PURSUE THAT.

THE CITY'S GOT REAL STRONG MIXED FEELINGS.

SOME PEOPLE ARE FINE WITH THEM.

I MEAN, TALKING ABOUT CITY COUNCIL AND P&Z, AND SOME DON'T LIKE SOUTHLAKE BEING GATED IF IT'S AN IMPRESSION THAT LEAVES AND I RESPECT BOTH SIDES.

I'VE DONE BOTH. ACTUALLY, Y'ALL'S GATE CAME AFTER OUR GATE AT MOSS FARMS. THEY HADN'T APPROVED A GATED COMMUNITY IN 20 YEARS.

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AND THEN THERE WERE TWO OR THREE OTHERS.

ONE, RIGHT? OH, IT WAS ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS WHY WE CHOSE SADDLEBACK RIDGE BECAUSE IT WAS GATED.

SADDLEBACK'S A NICE DEVELOPMENT.

I LIKE IT. MM HMM. SO AND I THINK THE GATE HELPS.

YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE HAVE ONE GATE OR FOUR GATES OK ON THIS ONE OR NOT, BUT FAIR ENOUGH. OK.

I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IT SOUNDS LIKE A REAL NICE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU HAVE GOING.

QUESTION IS, HOW WILL YOU DEVELOP IT? WILL YOU DEVELOP ONE LOT AT A TIME AND MAKE THIS TAKE 12 YEARS? OR ARE YOU GOING TO START BUILDING FOUR AT ONE TIME? HOW DO YOU PLAN TO DO IT? WELL, THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPMENT INVOLVES GOING THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS, WHICH IS THREE OR FOUR MONTHS ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

AND THEN WE DESIGN THE ROAD AND UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS AND THE GATES AND OTHER ELEMENTS THAT MIGHT GO INTO IT. AND THEN HOW LONG DID Y'ALL BUILD? ABOUT A YEAR. ABOUT 12 MONTHS, OK.

SOMETHING LIKE THIS, DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S DONE, COULD BE BUILT IN PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS IF SUPPLY CHAINS STAY IN LINE.

AND YEAH, FAMILIAR WITH HOW ALL THE PLANNING BECAUSE WE WATCHED EVERYTHING IN SADDLEBACK GO UP. BUT SO IF YOU HAVE YOUR DRUTHERS AND YOU'RE ALL APPROVED AND THEY SAY YOU CAN GET GOING, YOU'LL BUILD FOUR PLACES.

YEAH, FROM THE SIMULTANEOUSLY.

YEAH, I WILL TELL YOU BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH THEM AND WHAT I'VE SEEN GOING ON IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW, IF THIS HOLDS, WE WILL PROBABLY START CONSTRUCTION ON THREE OR FOUR HOMES AS THE ROAD IS BEING FINISHED.

IT'S JUST A LITTLE INSIGHT INTO WHY SADDLEBACK WAS ABLE TO BE GATED.

WE WENT AND SPENT A MIDNIGHT, A BUNCH OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA, AND WE ALL MADE A PLEA FOR MR. LAHOTA, WHO DEVELOPED IT, THAT WE THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE GATED AND THAT IT MIGHT HELP THE TRAFFIC AND IT WOULD BE A NICE PLACE AND SO FORTH.

AND WHAT THE MAYOR SAID WAS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID THAT GENERALLY THEY WEREN'T IN FAVOR OF GATED COMMUNITIES. BUT ONCE THEY HEARD WHAT WE HAD TO SAY AND THEY REALIZED WHERE THE AREA WAS, THEY SAID, ACTUALLY, IN YOUR CASE, WE THINK UP THERE, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A GATED COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE IN A LONG TIME.

AND SO IF YOU WANTED ONE, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING AND SADDLEBACK AS THE PRECEDENT, AND THAT'S WHY IT GOT TO BE THAT WAY.

ALL THE NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY WENT TO BAT AND SAID, WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A GATED. IT'S NOT GOING TO REALLY HURT ANYTHING.

IT'LL PROBABLY HELP THINGS.

SO THAT WAS THAT'S PART OF WHY I MENTIONED IT, BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE P&Z AND CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I'M AWARE OF THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY GET FROM GATES.

AND LIKE I SAID, I DO RESPECT BOTH SIDES OF THAT ARGUMENT.

SO IF YOU ALL FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT, IF WE GO THAT DIRECTION, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOUR HELP. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU.

SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PLACE, ACTUALLY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SUBMISSIONS ONLINE? OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ONLINE, SO JUST WANT TO CLOSE THINGS UP REAL QUICK.

SO FOR EVERYONE HERE AND EVERYONE TUNING IN ONLINE, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN SPIN. REMEMBER SPIN REPRESENTS THE VERY FIRST STEP IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

I LIKE TO ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU ALL TO PLEASE TAKE THE SPIN EXPERIENCE SURVEY.

ADDITIONALLY, A SPIN MEETING REPORT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE AFTER THIS MEETING TAKES PLACE. WE WILL INCLUDE THE SUBMITTED SPIN QUESTIONS AND COMMENT FORMS IN THE MEETING REPORTS. PLEASE NOTE THAT THESE REPORTS ARE MAINLY JUST GENERAL OBSERVATIONS FROM THIS FORUM, NOT VERBATIM QUOTES.

INTERESTED PARTIES ARE ALSO ENCOURAGED TO FOLLOW THE CASE THROUGH THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND THEN FINALLY, MEETINGS.

THIS MEETING IS RECORDED AS WELL AS OTHER MEETINGS, AND THEY'LL BE MADE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE APPROXIMATELY 24 HOURS AFTER THIS MEETING TAKES PLACE.

SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU ALL AGAIN VERY MUCH AND HOPE YOU'LL HAVE A BEAUTIFUL NIGHT.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.