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>> [NOISE] GOOD EVENING. WELCOME EVERYBODY TO
[1. Call to Order.]
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS.
>> THANK YOU, KEN. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CHAIRMAN COMMENTS.
[4. Chairman Comments.]
I HAVE NONE OTHER THAN TO SAY OUR ESTEEMED CHAIRMAN IS OUT TONIGHT AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING HIM BACK NEXT MEETING.WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 20TH, '22, AS WELL AS CONSIDERATION OF ZA 22-0006, WHICH IS A FINAL PLAT FOR KEEN HOMEPLACE.IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON THOSE, I'D BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> I GUESS WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHO WAS MAKING MOTIONS QUITE YET, BUT I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEMS 5 AND 6 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
>> GOT A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND?
>> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MAYBE.
>> THAT ITEM CARRIES SIX, ZERO.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 7,
[7. Consider: ZA22-0004, Specific Use Permit for a Mass Gathering for Run4Elise on property being described as Lot 1, Block 1, Gateway Church - 114 Campus, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 700 Blessed Way, Southlake, Texas. SPIN Neighborhood #4. PUBLIC HEARING]
ZA 22-0004, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR MASS GATHERING, FOR RUN FOR A LEASE.IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, WE WILL SKIP THE STAFF REPORT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THAT IN WORK SESSION. DENNIS, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT?
>> WE WILL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP. HOW ARE YOU ALL DOING?
>> SEEMS LIKE A VERY SHORT TIME AGO WE SAW YOU IN HERE.
BUT I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY BEEN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS? SIX?
>> IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR REQUEST, I KNOW THAT SOME OF US ON THE COMMISSION WERE NOT HERE WHEN YOU WERE HERE LAST TIME AND THERE'S PROBABLY SOME IN THE AUDIENCE, [OVERLAPPING] SO IF YOU WOULD RUN THROUGH IT AND TELL YOUR STORY.
>> SURE. THE SWIM4ELISE FOUNDATION WAS STARTED [OVERLAPPING]
>> DO ME A FAVOR. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD BEFORE YOU DO THAT.
>> YES, SIR. MY NAME IS LORI CERAMI.
>> YOU SAID STATE OUR ADDRESS?
>> SURE. 111 SAM BASS RIDGE ROAD IN SOUTHLAKE.
IT'S OFF WHITE CHAPEL NORTH OF BOB JONES.
OUR 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, ELISE, FATALLY DROWNED AT THE CARROLL AQUATIC CENTER.
SHE WAS A SEVEN-YEAR COMPETITIVE SWIMMER, AND SO NEVER CROSSED OUR MINDS THAT SOMEONE WHO KNEW HOW TO SWIM COULD DROWN.
WE STARTED THE SWIM4ELISE FOUNDATION FROM SOME DONATIONS THAT WE HAD RECEIVED THROUGH A YOUCARING ACCOUNT THAT SOME OF THE COMMUNITY HAD CONTRIBUTED TO.
I LOOKED AT MY HUSBAND AND I SAID, "I DON'T WANT TO PAY TAXES ON THIS." [LAUGHTER] I SAID, "WHAT WOULD OUR DAUGHTER WANT US TO DO WITH THIS?" THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED SCHOLARSHIPS.
INTERESTING THING ABOUT OUR SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM IS THAT KIDS HAVE TO APPLY AND THEY HAVE TO ANSWER WATER SAFETY QUESTIONS THAT WERE BUILT OFF OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS LIFEGUARD MANUAL.
IT START WITH THE END IN MIND CONCEPT.
WE TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND WE ACTUALLY AGGREGATE THAT DATA AND WE SEND IT TO THE AMERICAN RED CROSS AND THEY REWRITE THE SAFETY DATA FOR THE UNITED STATES FOR LIFEGUARDS AND FOR COACHES.
WE DON'T JUST GIVE AWAY MONEY WITHOUT LEARNING MORE ABOUT HOW TO MAKE IT BETTER.
WE ALSO GIVE SCHOLARSHIPS FOR KIDS TO GET LIFEGUARD CERTIFIED.
IT WAS MY DAUGHTER'S FRIENDS THAT PULLED HER OFF THE BOTTOM OF THE POOL.
SO WE WANTED TO EMPOWER KIDS TO KNOW WHAT TO DO IF THERE WAS EVER AN EMERGENCY IN THE WATER AGAIN.
THEN WHEN WE LEARNED ABOUT HOW MANY CHILDREN DIE FROM DROWNING IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, TEXAS LOSES 80-100 KIDS EVERY SINGLE YEAR TO FATAL DROWNINGS AND FOR EVERY ONE FATAL DROWNING, THERE ARE 5-8 NON-FATAL WITH NEUROLOGICAL IMPAIRMENTS.
WHEN I LEARNED ABOUT THAT I JUST FELT SUPER COMPELLED TO DO SOMETHING, AND I DIDN'T WANT MONEY TO BE AN OBSTACLE.
THE RUN4ELISE FUNDS THE SCHOLARSHIPS BUT IT ALSO FUNDS OUR DAYCARE PROGRAM, AND WE REACH ANYWHERE FROM 4,000-5,000 KIDS IN NORTH TEXAS DAYCARES.
START FROM SOUTHLAKE AND WE JUST KEEP GOING OUTWARD UNTIL WE RUN OUT OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T FIT US INTO THEIR SCHEDULE IN THE SUMMER.
BUT THEY ARE TOUCHED BY ELISE'S STORY.
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THAT STORY IS THAT REGARDLESS OF KNOWING HOW TO SWIM, SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE WATCHING YOU IN THE WATER.YOU'RE ONLY 80 PERCENT SAFE IN THE WATER WHEN YOU KNOW HOW TO SWIM.
THERE'S STILL SOME RISKS AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST MESSAGE THAT WE GET ACROSS TO THESE KIDS.
THEY JUST DON'T FORGET ELISE'S STORY ONCE WE SHARE PICTURES OF HER, HER MEDALS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT'S THE BIG IMPACT.
WE PARTNER WITH COOK CHILDREN'S TO SHARE A LOT OF THE WATER SAFETY, WATER WATCHER TAGS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE RUN HELPS US TO CONTINUE TO FURTHER THAT WITHOUT HAVING A CHARGE A DAYCARE CENTER AND TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO FUND OUR SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAMS IN LIFEGUARD CERTIFICATIONS.
>> VERY GOOD. YOU ALL ACTUALLY STARTED OUT AT DRAGON STADIUM, AS I RECALL.
>> THAT, PERHAPS, NEEDED A LITTLE MASSAGING AND A LITTLE HELP.
>> YEAH, I HAD A FATHER REACH OUT TO ME AND HE SAID, "IS RUNNING ON KIMBALL SAFE?" [LAUGHTER] I SAID, "OKAY, YEAH, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT." WE WENT TO THE POLICE AND THEY SUGGESTED THE GATEWAY.
IT'S A TWO-LOOP COUNTERCLOCKWISE FOR THE 5K.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE SAFEST COURSE IN TOWN.
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I KNOW STAFF HAS COMMENTED EVERY TIME WE'VE SEEN THIS OR THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS AND THIS TIME THAT IT WAS WELL-RUN AT GATEWAY AND YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A REMARKABLE JOB.
OF COURSE, ALWAYS GLAD TO HAVE YOU BACK AND SHARE YOUR STORY AND WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY MEANINGFUL.
>> IT DEFINITELY HELPS US JUST ALSO CREATE THE AWARENESS CONVERSATION.
I HAVE SEEN SO MANY MORE FAMILIES HAVE LIFEGUARDS IN THEIR BACKYARDS DURING POOL PARTIES THAN I'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE.
I LOVE THAT IT ENGAGED THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION THAT PEOPLE ARE SO MUCH MORE AWARE.
>> ABSOLUTELY. WELL, I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF HEARING YOUR PRESENTATION TWICE, [LAUGHTER] SO WE'LL ASK IF ANY OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
NONE? WELL, THANK YOU ALL AGAIN.
>> ITEM NUMBER 7 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS, WE CAN GO AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS, GLAD TO HAVE THOSE AS WELL.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER ZA 22-0004, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 11TH, 2022.
>> I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND?
>> COULD YOU RECOMMEND THE TIME PERIOD, I BELIEVE?
I KNOW THE REQUEST WAS FOR 10 YEARS.
WHAT'S EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS ON THAT 10 YEAR? TO ME, THEY'VE PROVEN THAT THIS IS A WELL-RUN EVENT SIMILAR TO OTHER EVENTS THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN SQUARES. I'M GOOD WITH IT.
>> I GUESS MAYBE AMEND THE MOTION.
>> THANK YOU, KEN. I'LL AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE APPROVAL FOR A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES SIX, ZERO.
THANK YOU, ALL. WE APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 8,
[8. Consider: ZA22-0007, Plat Revision for Lots 3R1 and 4, Block 16, Southlake Town Square Ph. IV, being a revision of Lot 3R, Block 16, Southlake Town Square Ph. IV, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 601 State St., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "DT" Downtown District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING]
ZA 22-0007, A PLAT REVISION FOR LOTS 3R1 AND 4 IN BLOCK 16, SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE.DENNIS, IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH IT AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE GOOD WITH IT, I KNOW WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE WORK SESSION, I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SKIP THIS AND HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
>> IS THE APPLICANT HERE ON THIS ONE? IF YOU WOULD DO ME A FAVOR AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
SO JUST BEFORE YOU START, WE DON'T GET TO HEAR FROM THE GREAT FRANK BLISS TONIGHT.
>> FRANK IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT IF YOU'D LIKE.
>> IT'S DISAPPOINTING WHEN THERE'S A TOWN SQUARE PROJECT, FRANK, AND YOU'RE NOT UP HERE.
YOU ALWAYS DO SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB.
>> WELL, RYAN HAS DONE A FABULOUS JOB ON THIS PROJECT FOR US AND FOR GRANTED.
BUT SINCE YOU SAID YOU'D LIKE TO MAYBE HEAR SOMETHING, I WANT TO SAY HOW PLEASED WE ARE TO BE WORKING ON THE SECOND OFFICE BUILDING.
DAVID AND I STARTED OUR CONVERSATIONS 15 YEARS AGO. IT'S BEEN FOREVER.
[LAUGHTER] THE IDEA OF CLASSIC OFFICE IN SOUTHLAKE ON THE 114 CORRIDORS SEEMED LIKE SUCH A NATURAL FIT WHEN WE STARTED THE PROJECT IN 1996.
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BUT THE REALITY IS HARD.THE FACT THAT WE'RE HERE STILL DURING COVID, GRANITES DOING OFFICE NUMBER TWO, I BELIEVE THIS IS STILL THE ONLY OFFICE BUILDING IN YOUR PORTFOLIO THAT'S 100 PERCENT LEASED.
IT IS THE MOST OCCUPIED OFFICE BUILDING IN THE PORTFOLIO, AND THE REASON IT'S THE MOST OCCUPIED BUILDING, I BELIEVE, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, BUT IT'S SUCH A GREAT ENVIRONMENT.
PEOPLE FEEL SAFE COMING HERE TO WORK.
THEY LIKE WORKING HERE AND WHEN YOU LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, IT'S NOT SO MUCH WORK, IT'S FUN SOME DAYS.
WE'RE VERY PLEASED TO HAVE THIS PANEL BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT MORE THAN HAPPY JUST TO TELL YOU HOW EXCITED WE ARE.
>> VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BLISS? RYAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GET ON THE RECORD AND ON TV, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK UP.
NO OFFENSE MEANT THERE, FRANK HIS REPUTATION PRECEDES HIM HERE IN TOWN SQUARE. VERY GOOD.
ITEM NUMBER 8 ON OUR AGENDA REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO HEAR, OR COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
SAYING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE AS WELL, AND IF THERE'S NOT ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, BE WILLING TO ENTER IN A MOTION.
>> WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER ZA 22-0007, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 11TH, 2022 IN THE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 1, DATED FEBRUARY NINTH, 2022.
>> HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 60. THANK YOU ALL.
WE APPRECIATE IT, AND GOOD LUCK.
NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 9ZA 22-0008,
[9. Consider: ZA22-0008, Development Plan and Site Plan for Verizon Expansion on property described as Tracts 1C1A, 1C1B, 1C2 and 1F, James B. Martin Survey, Abstract No. 1134, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 747 W. S.H. 114, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "NR-PUD", Non-Residential Planned Unit Development District. SPIN Neighborhood #1. PUBLIC HEARING]
DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND SITE PLAN FOR VERIZON EXPANSION.ON THIS ONE, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE STAFF PRESENTATION IF THAT'S OKAY, DENNIS?
>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHEN.
HALF AND ASSOCIATES IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND SITE PLAN FOR VERIZON EXPANSION LOCATED AT 747 WEST STATE HIGHWAY 114.
LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS MIXED-USE, AND THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS NON-RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SITE, IT'S ABOVE THE VERIZON OPERATIONS CENTER AT THE CORNER OF DUB AND 114.
ALSO BOUNDED BY WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD.
THE SITE WILL BE DEVELOPED AS AN EXPANSION OF THIS EXISTING OPERATION CENTER.
THESE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS ALONG THE PARAMETER.
THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING IN THE NORTHLAY DIRECTION ALONG THE 114 FRONTAGE FROM THE ROUGHLY SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPOSED SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FRONTAGE ROAD EXCAVATION IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.
FRONTAGE ROAD IS SAID TO BE CONSTRUCTED THROUGH THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PROPERTY, AND ALL THE WAY TO WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD WHERE IT INTERSECTS 114.
THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING IN A SOMEWHAT EASTERLY DIRECTION.
THIS IS THE MORE OR LESS NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY THAT RUNS ALONG A FLOODPLAIN AND, CHANNEL THAT ABUTS THE TD AMERITRADE SITE.
THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING IN THE SOUTHWESTERLY DIRECTION ALONG THE WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD FRONTAGE.
THIS WOULD ROUGHLY BE THE NORTHEASTERLY CORNER OF THE BRANDS AND EXPANSION SITE BOUNDARY.
NOW, THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING IN A NORTHLAY DIRECTION ALONG THE KIRKWOOD FRONTAGE ROUGHLY AT THE SOUTHEASTERLY BOUNDARY, ABUTTING THE EXISTING OPERATIONS CENTER SITE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN.
IT PROPOSES THE OPERATION BUILDING, AND FIVE INDIVIDUAL DATA CENTER BUILDINGS TOTALING JUST UNDER 211,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE SITE PLAN PROPOSES A ROUGHLY 200-FOOT WIDE BUFFER ALONG THE KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD FRONTAGE THAT WILL BE TREE PRESERVATION.
THE ACCESS TO THE SITE WILL PRIMARILY BE THROUGH THE EXISTING OPERATION CENTER,
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WHICH ALL THEIR CURRENT PRIMARY ACCESS IS OF THE DEV ROAD ENTRY.THE CURRENT KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD DRIVE WAY CUT HERE IS LIMITED ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY AND EXITING ONLY.
THE PROPOSED ACCESS DRIVE ONTO STATE HIGHWAY 114 IS ALSO INTENDED TO BE LIMITED.
IT WILL BE FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS AND LIMITED SERVICE AND EXIT TRAFFIC ONLY.
THE PLAN ALSO INCLUDES A SWITCH-GEAR SYSTEM THAT IS TO BE CONSTRUCTED BY TRAVIS COUNTY ELECTRIC TO SUPPLY POWER TO THIS FACILITY.
IT IS PROPOSED TO BE ALONG THE KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD FRONTAGE FOR EASE OF ACCESS.
THE APP PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THEIR INTENDED SCREENING OF THAT IS.
IT WOULD BE ORNAMENTAL METAL ROD, IRON TOP FATS WITH DENSE EVERGREEN PLANT MATERIAL AROUND THAT.
THE FENCE TO PROVIDE SECURITY AND THE EVERGREEN PLANT MATERIAL TO PROVIDE SOFTWARE VISUAL SCREENING FROM THE STREET FRONTAGE.
THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE FULL BUILD-OUT OF THE FACILITY.
THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS WILL INCLUDE THE OPERATION CENTER BUILDING AND THE TWO DATA-CENTER BUILDINGS LOCATED HERE AND HERE, AS WELL AS THE CONNECTING CORRIDOR THAT RUNS BETWEEN THOSE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
THESE ARE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING FROM THE VARIOUS PERSPECTIVES, AND THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ENTIRE BUILD-OUT AS TO WHAT THE PARAMETER FACADES OF THOSE COMPLETED STRUCTURES WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THESE ARE SOME RENDERINGS TO PROVIDE LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE VARIOUS AREAS AND HOUSING SUPPORTING GROUND EQUIPMENT AND THE SCREENING DEVICES AROUND THAT.
PRIMARY SECURITY AND VISUAL SCREENING AROUND THOSE WILL BE ARCHITECTURAL METAL LOUVER FENCE STRUCTURE.
THIS IS THE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN PROVIDED.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION ON THE PRESERVATION THAT'S EXPECTED.
GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF CALCULATED TREE COVERAGE, THIS SITE REQUIRES THAT AT LEAST 40 PERCENT OF THE EXISTING TREE COVER BE PRESERVED.
THEY ARE ESTIMATING THAT THEY WILL PRESERVE APPROXIMATELY 38.75 PERCENT OF THAT.
AS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL, THEY INTEND TO MITIGATE THAT ADDITIONAL ONE AND A QUARTER PERCENT AT A MINIMUM OF 75 CANOPY TREES THAT ARE A MINIMUM OF THREE-INCH CALIPER SIZE.
THOSE WILL BE PLACED ON SOME OF THE SLOPE GRADING AREAS THAT ARE HAVING TO HAVE SOME EXISTING TREE COVER REMOVED AS WELL AS SOME OF THE INFILL AREAS THAT MAY NEED ADDITIONAL TREE COVERAGE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN, GRADING PLAN, AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS PLAN.
THE MASTER PATHWAY PLAN CALLS FOR EIGHT-FOOT OR GREATER MULTI-USE TRAIL TO BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG 114 FRONTAGE, AS WELL AS THE NORTHLAY BOUNDARY OF THIS PROPERTY THAT RUNS ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING RELIEF OF THAT REQUIREMENT, AND AS NOTED IN THE WORK SESSION, THE 114 FRONTAGE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION OF THE 114 MULTI-USE TRAIL.
THIS IS THE PERIMETER FENCING CONCEPT WHICH WILL BE DONE WITH THE ORNAMENTAL METAL FENCE, THE ELEVATION OF WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SLIDE.
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AN INTERNAL PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.[NOISE] THE AREAS THAT THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING VARIANCES OR RELIEF FROM ON THE PERIMETER BUFFER YARDS, WHICH WOULD BE ALONG 114, NORTH BOUNDARY BEING THE CHANNEL FLOODPLAIN AND THEN THE PRESERVATION AREA ALONG THE KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD FRONT EDGE.
THEY'RE ASKING RELIEF TO ALLOW PLANTINGS AND IRRIGATION IN THESE AREAS TO ALLOW PRESERVATION OF THE NATURAL VEGETATION AND TREE COVER.
AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE RELIEF FROM THE MULTI-USE TRAIL REQUIREMENT.
ADDITIONALLY, THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT ELECTRIC SWITCHING BOX NEAR THE KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD FRONT EDGE WITH IT BEING SCREENED AS DESCRIBED, WHICH THEY ONCE AGAIN CLARIFIED.
THEY PREFER ORNAMENTAL METAL WITH THE DENSE EVERGREEN PLANT MATERIAL AROUND THAT FACILITY.
THEY'RE REQUESTING TO ALLOW THE ARTICULATION OF THE BUILDINGS AS THEY MAY BE PHASED AND ULTIMATELY BUILT AS SHOWN ON THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDED.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE SOME EXTERIOR MASONRY ELEMENTS ON THE FACADES THAT ARE NOT FULLY CONFORMING WITH THE COURT OR OVERLAY STANDARDS.
THEY DO CONFORM WITH THE CITY'S MASONRY ORDINATE STANDARDS AND THEY'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL AS PRESENTED ON THEIR ELEVATIONS.
THEN THERE'S A NOTED WITH THE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN, REQUESTING THE REDUCTION IN PRESERVATION AS DESCRIBED WITH THE MITIGATION BEING PROVIDED WITH ONCE AGAIN, MINIMUM 75 CANOPY TREES, ALL THREE INCHES OR GREATER IN CALIPER SIZE.
WE'VE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES FROM NOTIFICATION AREA ON THIS ITEM.
WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS PROVIDED A PDF JUST PRIOR TO THE MEETING THAT THEY MAY WISH TO GO THROUGH THAT MAYBE IT SHOWS SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL ON THE ARCHITECTURE.
THE THIRD ONE, WHICH IS THE ELECTRIC SWITCH BOX, YOU'D MENTIONED THAT THEY PREFER A ORNAMENTAL FENCE AS OPPOSED TO A SCREENING WALL.
MY UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY THERE'S GOING TO BE, IF THEY GET WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, AN ORNAMENTAL FENCE AROUND THAT AND THEN ANOTHER, I GUESS, METAL FENCE ON THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
>> THAT IS ESSENTIALLY RIGHT NEXT TO IT?
>> OKAY. I REALIZED THAT THERE'S NEVER GREENS AND THINGS INTENDED, BUT YES.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. WILL THEY BE DOING A MULTI-USE TRAIL ALONG KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD? I DON'T SEE IT ON THERE.
THERE IS A, I BELIEVE A SIX-FOOT WIDE PATH-WAY.
>> JUST IN THE RIGHT OF WAY NOT UNDER.
>> IT IS ON THE RIGHT OF THE WAY, YES.
>> DENNIS I HEARD A QUESTION IN THE WORK SESSION, THE APPLICANT HEARD IT AS WELL.
CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE BUMPS AND I CAN ASK THEM ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING AROUND ALONG 114? I DON'T DRIVE THAT VERY OFTEN.
THOSE EXISTING BUMPS THERE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE TEARING DOWN, GOING TO BUILD BACK-UP OR ARE THE BUMPS KNIT NEW.
>> IN WHAT PARTICULAR AREA ALONG WHICH PROBABLY.
>> YES. I WOULD PREFER TO DEFER TO THEM ON WHAT THEY ARE HAVING TO DO WITH THE GRADES ON THERE IF YOU DON'T MIND.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU DENNIS.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? IF YOU WOULD COME ON UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN SHOW US WHAT YOU GOT.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING US OUT TONIGHT.
I RESIDE AT 4908 SPYGLASS IN DALLAS.
I'D REMEMBER, I JUST MOVED AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING VERIZON WIRELESS.
I ALSO HAVE WITH ME KAILEY FLYNN FROM HALFLON ASSOCIATES.
VERIZON CIVIL ENGINEER, AND RAY MAYBERRY FROM HKS THE ARCHITECT WHO WILL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO ANSWER A LOT MORE TO THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT I'M CAPABLE OF.
I DID WANT TO GO BACK AND JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT.
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WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF ON THIS FOR OVER A YEAR AND PRESENTED OUR CONCEPT PLAN AT THE CPC MEETING LAST MARCH AND RECEIVED FAVORABLE FEEDBACK FROM THAT.WHAT REALLY HAS BEEN DRIVING MUCH OF THE DESIGN PRIORITIES WITH THIS PROJECT FROM THE START, HAS BEEN AN EFFORT TO ATTEMPT TO PROTECT THE VIEW SCAPE FROM KIRKWOOD IN 114 AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
AS WELL WE'VE TRIED AND DID EVERYTHING WE CAN TO LIMIT OR ELIMINATE ANY POSSIBILITY OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ARISING FROM THIS PROJECT.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS THERE IS IN FACT, AND IT WAS POINTED OUT, A 200 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE EAST SIDE BETWEEN KIRKWOOD AND THE PROPERTY THAT WE CAN SHOW YOU IN THIS PDF THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER.
ACTUALLY [LAUGHTER], TO BE ABLE TO GET SIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE FROM KIRKWOOD, WE HAD TO COME ARISE TO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ACTUAL HEIGHT IS, BUT TAKE THE VIEW UP 50 OR 60 FEET SO THAT YOU CAN FINALLY SEE THE ROOF OF THE PROPERTY.
TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH THE TOWER ON THE MAIN VERIZON CAMPUS AT THE CORNER OF DOVE IN 114.
THAT TOWER IS TWO AND HALF TIMES THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE THAT'S PROPOSED HERE ON THIS PROPERTY.
A SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER A LOT LESS DISRUPTION IN TERMS OF THE VIEW ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OF 114. THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.
WE'LL HAVE ABOUT A 100 FOOT BUFFER WITH AN ATTEMPT TO PRESERVE AS MANY OF THE TREES AS WE CAN.
THEN REALLY LASTLY, THE BUILDING ITSELF, THE OPERATIONS CENTER, WILL USUALLY HAVE NO MORE THAN 15-20 PEOPLE IN ANY GIVEN DAY WORKING THERE.
A LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC.
ALL OF THEM WILL ENTER FROM THE DEV ROAD ENTRANCE TO THE EXISTING VERIZON FACILITY, AND THEY'LL DRIVE AROUND THE PROPERTY AND ONTO THE NEW LOCATION [NOISE].
WITH REGARD TO A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED AND CLARIFICATIONS I WANTED TO MAKE.
WITH REGARD TO THE SWITCH, I JUST RECEIVED A TEXT FROM VERIZON'S PROJECT MANAGER WHO'S WATCHING REMOTELY.
IT WILL BE A SINGLE FENCE THAT WILL BE APART OF THE FENCE THAT'S PLANNED FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
WE WON'T HAVE A DOUBLE FENCE THING, BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NATURAL LANDSCAPING THAT'S INSTALLED OUTSIDE THAT FENCE TO CONCEAL THAT STRUCTURE.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR RELIEF ON THAT.
WHAT WE WOULD ASK THOSE YOU WOULD CONSIDER THE ALTERNATIVE.
TO GO INTO COMPLIANCE, WE WOULD HAVE TO PUSH IT BACK INTO THE PROPERTY AND CREATE ITS OWN ACCESS DRIVE OFF OF KIRKWOOD.
THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT FROM THE BEGINNING WE'VE BEEN DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO AVOID.
WE WANT TRI-COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT SWITCH WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE SECURITY MEASURES THAT THE FACILITY ITSELF REQUIRES.
FOR SECURITY REASONS AND WITH A GOAL OF ELIMINATING ANY KIND OF ENTRANCE OFF OF KIRKWOOD THAT ELIMINATES MORE TREES.
WITH REGARD TO THE TREE COVERAGE, AS IT WAS POINTED OUT [OVERLAPPING].
>> CAN I STOP YOU REAL QUICK ON THE SWITCH THING JUST TO HIT THAT WHILE YOU'RE THERE.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THE PERIMETER FENCE IS THE ONLY FENCE THAT'S GOING TO BE AROUND THE SWITCH, THEN HOW DOES TRI-COUNTY GET IN TO WORK ON THAT IF THEY DON'T GO THROUGH THE DOVE ENTRANCE.
>> THEY'LL HAVE AN ACCESS POINT AT THAT FENCE.
>> THEN THERE'LL BE A FENCE THAT WRAPS AROUND THE BACK OF THE SWITCH.
>> IF THAT MAKES SENSE. [OVERLAPPING] I THINK WILL BE IN FACT FENCED IN ON FOUR SIDES.
>> WHAT DISTANCE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FROM THE SWITCH TO THE FENCE? IF YOU KNOW.
MY COLLEAGUES MIGHT HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
WE CAN STAY ON THE SWITCH RIGHT NOW IF THAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO THIS.
MY PHONE IS BUZZING, SO THE ANSWER MIGHT BE COMING IN.
>> THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I WANTED TO ASK YOU THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I FIGURED IF THEY'RE WATCHING, THEN MAYBE YOU COULD GET ANSWERS ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE END. WE'LL GO AHEAD.
>> NOW. LET ME SEE HERE. I MIGHT BRING KELLY UP WITH YOU.
KELLY, IF YOU GOT THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
>> KEEP GOING AND WE'LL COME BACK AND HIT THE SWITCH AND ALL THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE.
>> THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. WHAT WAS THE TOP OF OFFENSE?
>> YOU WERE GOING TO THE TREES, I THINK.
>> THE TREE COVERAGE. YES, THAT'S RIGHT.
I DID WANT TO POINT AT IT AS JUST POINTED EARLIER WHERE THE PLAN IS TO BUILD AT LEAST RE-PLAN AT LEAST 75 UP TO A 100 TREES WITH A MINIMUM OF THREE CALIPER INCH-DIAMETER.
I KNOW THAT WAS RAISED, I THINK THE STANDARD IS 2-4 INCHES.
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NOTHING WILL BE SMALLER THAN THREE.EVERYTHING WILL BE AT LEAST THREE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE GOAL WILL BE TO DO THAT RE-PLANTING ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME GRADING WORK AND REMOVE SOME TREES, AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT WE'LL ALSO WITH BY PUTTING A LARGE NUMBER OF THOSE TREES AT THAT CORNER HELP MITIGATE THE VIEW HEADING NORTH ON 114 AND WILL SCREEN THE PROPERTY.
THERE WAS A QUESTION RAISED ABOUT THE BERM AND WHETHER THAT EXISTS AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO EXTEND.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT WILL BE ABOUT 10 FEET HIGHER THAN THE BASE OF THE BUILDING THAT WILL BE TO THE EAST OF IT.
SO YOU HAVE ABOUT A 10 FOOT BERM SCREEN IN ADDITION, AS WELL AS TREES THAT WILL BE ON TOP OF THAT BERM.
I MIGHT REFER TO KELLY TO SEE IF THAT BERM IS ALREADY THERE OR IF IT'S BEING REBUILDING CONNECTION WITH THE GRADING.
>> HI. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING OUR PRESENTATIONS THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS KELLY FLYNN.
I RESIDE AT 3440 JANE LYNN LANE IN FARMER'S BRANCH TEXAS.
THAT BERM IS ACTUALLY A GIANT HILL, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRADING PLAN RIGHT UP HERE.
THIS IS THE PEAK OF THE HILL AND THERE'S A RIDGE THAT RUNS EXISTING ALL THE WAY ALONG RIGHT HERE AND THEN FALLS OFF TOWARDS THE CREEK IN THE NORTH EASTERLY DIRECTION.
WE'RE CUTTING SLIGHTLY INTO THAT BERM TO CREATE OUR FACILITY HERE.
AS MASON MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, [NOISE] THIS BUILDING HERE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 10-12 FEET LOWER THAN THE TOP OF THE BERM AS WE MATCH BACK INTO EXISTING GRADE.
THEN THIS DRIVE HERE COMES DOWN TOWARDS OUR SITE.
SO THIS BERM RIGHT IN HERE, WE ARE NOT TAKING OFF ALL OF IT BY ANY MEANS.
WE'RE JUST MOVING IT BACK A LITTLE BIT AND FLATTENING OUT AN AREA IN ORDER TO CREATE OUR PROJECT.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
>> STILL WORKING ON AN ANSWER OF THE DISTANCE FOR THE SWITCH TO KIRKWOOD.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE DISTANCE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> DISTANCE BETWEEN THE FENCE AND THE SWITCH?
>> I'M SORRY, [OVERLAPPING] WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE SWITCH [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW THE HEIGHT?
>> HEIGHT DIMENSIONS IN GENERAL?
>> I THINK THE FENCE HEIGHT SHOULD BE 8-10 FEET FOR THE FENCE FACILITY, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE SWITCH WOULD BE LOWER THAN THAT.
>> I DON'T BELIEVE IT SHOULD GO ANY HIGHER THAN THAT FENCE
>> THAT'S ALL UNDERGROUND, RIGHT?
>> ALL OF THE WIRING AND EVERYTHING COMING TO THE SWITCH IS UNDERGROUND.
THE ACTUAL SWITCH IS LIKE A BIG BOX ON TOP OF THE GROUND THOUGH.
>> YEAH. WELL, LIKE A TRANSFORMER?
>> YES. THAT'LL BE TRI-COUNTY'S EQUIPMENT THAT THEY'LL INSTALL AND OWN AND MAINTAIN, AND OPERATE.
ONE OTHER ITEM I JUST WANTED TO IN CLOSING JUST TOUCH ON IS JUST TO ADDRESS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE BUFFER YARD LANDSCAPING.
WE'RE ASKING FROM RELIEF TO THE INSTALLATION OF LANDSCAPING AND IRRIGATION WITHIN THE 20-FOOT BUFFER YARD.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT MADE SENSE TO INSTALL TREES AND IRRIGATION IN A VERY SPECIFIC LINE WHEN WE'VE GOT NATURAL TREE COVER IN A 200-FOOT BUFFER ON THE EAST RATHER THAN A 20-FOOT BUFFER, WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHAT'S REQUIRED.
THEN A 100-FOOT BUFFER ON THE WEST.
ONE OF THE GOALS HAS BEEN TO [NOISE] MAINTAIN THE WAY IT LOOKS TODAY RATHER THAN TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE TOO PLANNED AND ORGANIZED, JUST TO RETAIN THE NATURAL FLAVOR OF THE SETTING.
WE'RE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
LET ME SEE IF I'VE GOT AN ANSWER IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT, MUCH LOWER THAN EIGHT FEET? YES. SO SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THE FENCE ITSELF.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
>> I HAD ONE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY LOADING DOCKS OR ROLL-UP DOCKS OR ANYTHING ON THE KIRKWOOD SIDE, RIGHT?
ON THE KIRKWOOD SIDE, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE.
>> THE LOADING DOCK IS ACTUALLY LOCATED RIGHT HERE.
>> BUT THIS DISTANCE RIGHT HERE IS APPROXIMATELY 200-300 FEET.
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SO IT'S TUCKED WAY BACK IN THE FACILITY WITH AN ACCESS DRIVE HERE AND THEN THE 200 FEET SCREENING.>> WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAINING ACROSS THE STREET FROM OTHER PROJECTS.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T BUILD SOMETHING NEW IN THERE THAT WAS GOING TO STIR UP THE NEIGHBORS AGAIN.
IT WAS WITH THE FACILITY IN THE SOUTH.
THE GOOD NEWS IS AND I LITERALLY JUST DROVE THERE JUST BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S A PERFECT TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
GO LOOK AT IT NOW IN FEBRUARY WHEN IT'S [LAUGHTER] A LITTLE GREEN ON THERE AS POSSIBLE.
I DROVE THE LOOP 114 TO KIRKWOOD, BACK TO DOVE AND IT'S PRETTY IMPENETRABLE FOR US THERE.
IF YOU VISUALIZE WHAT 200 FEET BACK LOOKS LIKE, THAT'S THE START OF THE PARKING LOT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
SO WE REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT DENSITY, I CAN'T PROMISE THAT IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE, BUT YOU REALLY HAVE TO GO LOOK FOR IT.
>> I'M JUST CURIOUS. FROM A CIRCULATION STANDPOINT FOR TRUCKS, WE'RE TALKING TO 18-WHEELERS?
>> HOW DOES THAT CIRCULATION WORK COMING OFF 114?
114 WILL ONLY BE MOSTLY NUMBER 1 ACCESS [OVERLAPPING] AND THEN POTENTIALLY EGRESS, THAT'S THE ONLY EVERYDAY USE THAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
BUT EVERYTHING WILL COME IN OFF OF DOVE ROAD AND WRAP AROUND THE EXISTING FACILITY AND THEN YOU SEE THE ROADWAY RIGHT HERE.
>> THAT'LL COME AROUND THE BACK AND THEN WRAP ALL THE WAY AROUND AND THEN BACK IN.
>> YOU JUST MADE A COMMENT THAT, I GUESS WAS A BIT OF A SURPRISE.
THE ACCESS ROAD OFF 114 WOULD BE POTENTIALLY EGRESS.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS, BOTH INGRESS AND EGRESS.
NOT LEFT OPEN FOR VERIZON TO DETERMINE WHEN IT CAN BE USED FOR REGRESS.
>> SURE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN CONSIDERED.
CERTAINLY, NO ONE'S GOING TO BE USING IT TO ENTER THE FACILITY.
WE WANT TO AVOID ANY POTENTIAL STACKING ISSUES WITH CARS ALONG THE ACCESS ROAD.
AGAIN, IT'S A LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE WORKING IN THE FACILITY ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, BUT THERE'S AT LEAST THE POTENTIAL THAT IT COULD BE USED FOR EXITING THE PROPERTY.
I'M GOING TO BELIEVE YOU HEARD MY COMMENT IN OUR WORK SESSION BEFORE.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CALIPER SIZE ON THE TREES.
>> I WOULD RATHER SEE A LARGER CALIPER SIZE AND FEWER TREES THAN TWIGS SITTING ON TOP OF A BERM.
PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CONSIDERATION OR NOT BUT THE BETTER YOU CAN DO IN THE BERM, CERTAINLY SPEAKING TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT IT BEING ABOUT 10 FEET OR BOTH IS A PLUS.
I THINK THE QUICKER YOU CAN CREATE A BUFFER ALONG THEIR LANDSCAPE BUFFER, THE BETTER AND I THINK A LARGER CALIPER TREE, CANOPY TREE IS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT MORE FROM MY STANDPOINT.
I KNOW YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH THE CITY TREE MITIGATION [OVERLAPPING].
I'M JUST OFFERING THAT AS A COMMENT.
>> NO, I APPRECIATE IT. VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT.
>> ONE OTHER COMMENT ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT DR. SPRINGER MENTIONED EARLIER.
I KNOW IN PRIOR APPLICATIONS THAT YOU-ALL HAVE BROUGHT IN, YOU HAD PHOTOGRAPHS NOT ONLY FROM KIRKWOOD BUT FROM HIGHWAY 114.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THE BUFFER YARD PLANTINGS AND IRRIGATION.
I REALIZE YOU HAVE 200 FEET THERE, BUT IT'S VERY HARD TO APPRECIATE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WITHOUT SEEING THE PHOTOGRAPHS BECAUSE IT IS A PRETTY UNIQUE SITE.
>> IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT REQUEST ON A VARIANCE, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU HAVE THAT ASSUMING THIS GOES FORWARDS TO CITY COUNCIL, SO THAT THERE'S A GOOD VIEW IN MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS THERE.
BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM QUARTER OR COMMITTEE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS [OVERLAPPING] WAS THE VIEW.
>> WE MAY BRING THE ARCHITECT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN.
HE'S GOT A GREAT SHORT PRESENTATION WHERE IT GOES THROUGH SEVERAL SLIDES THAT PROVIDE A LOT MORE CLARITY ON SOME OF THESE POINTS AND GIVE YOU A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
>> THANK YOU. HI. MY NAME IS RYAN MABRY.
I RESIDE AT 3132 WORLDWIDE, DALLAS.
THESE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL EXHIBITS THAT WE PREPARED TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE SITE.
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JUST TO GO THROUGH THIS, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT A FEW DIFFERENT ITEMS AT ONCE.WE DO HAVE THE POD SETUP ARRANGED SO THAT IT DOES MAXIMIZE THE VISUAL PLEASURE OF THE SITE AND THE MASS ITSELF, SO WE DON'T HAVE ONE DENSE BUILDING.
WE'VE GOT A FEW VARIATIONS OF THE BUILDING, AND IT PROVIDES THE IN, AND OUT THAT WE BELIEVE IT'S WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE ORDINANCE.
WHILE WE DON'T FOLLOW THE EXACT LATERALLY ORDINANCE, WE ARE STILL TRYING TO APPLY THE ORDINANCES OVERARCHING THEME TO THE BUILDING.
GOING THROUGH THE REST OF THESE SLIDES REAL QUICKLY, THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN.
AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SITE LENGTH THAT'S ALMOST 800 FEET IN LENGTH, THEN WE'VE GOT ALMOST 600 FEET IN WIDTH.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF VARYING INS AND OUTS TO THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
AGAIN, AS KELLY SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, BUT OVERALL, THE SIDE ELEVATION, THERE'S A 50 FOOT GRAY DROP ON THE SITE, SO WE HAVE TO ALSO CONTEND WITH THAT AS WELL.
[NOISE] THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER VIEW OF MAYBE ACTUAL MATERIAL VALUES.
WE HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, THE MAIN SPINE, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE IT STEPS DOWN WITH THE SITE, AND SO DO THE BUILDING ELEMENTS AS YOU GO THROUGH THE SITE.
WE THEN HAVE OUR SECURITY, AND YARD FENCES HERE, ALONG WITH THE EQUIPMENT, AND MECHANICAL UNITS BEHIND THESE FENCES TUCKED IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AGAIN, SO THAT THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ACT AS BUFFERS AS YOU'RE GOING ALONG, EITHER 114 OR KIRKWOOD, SO THAT YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF EQUIPMENT AS YOU DRIVE BY.
THIS AGAIN IS THE VIEW FROM THE 114 SIDE.
AGAIN, WE'VE LOOKED AT, AND STUDIED THE BUILDING ELEMENTS, AND WHERE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SHIFT AND MANIPULATE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS SO THAT IT'S NOT A FLAT FACADE.
THEN EVEN ALONG THE BUILDING ITSELF, WE HAVE THESE VERTICAL PIECES, AND ELEMENTS THAT BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT MATERIAL TYPES WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO INCORPORATE FINISHED VARIATION, SO THAT AGAIN IT BEGINS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ARTICULATION REQUEST IN THE ORDINANCE.
THIS SLIDE JUST AGAIN SPEAKS TO HOW THE BUILDING IS ARTICULATED, AND STEPS DOWN WITH THE SIDE.
THEN THE YELLOW AREAS SHOW HOW WE USE THE BUILDINGS TO HELP PRESERVE, AND PROTECT SOME OF THE VIEWS INTO THE EQUIPMENT AREAS.
THIS IS WHAT MASON WAS SPEAKING TO.
THIS IS A SITE ANALYSIS I'D STUDIED FROM THE KIRKWOOD SIDE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE THE EXISTING BUILDING, AND THE BELL TOWER, IF YOU WILL, HERE.
THIS IS A STRAIGHT-ON VIEW TO THE SITE, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER FROM THE SITE.
WE'VE GONE AHEAD REPLICATED THESE VIEWS WITH THIS GENERATED RENDERING.
AGAIN, YOU CAN BARELY SEE THE TOP OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING CAMPUS TOWER HERE.
THIS IS MORE OF A STREET-LEVEL, EYE-LEVEL VIEW, AGAIN, THE TERRAIN, WHEN YOU GO BACK OVER ON THE KIRKWOOD SIDE, AS YOU GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT STARTS TO STEP UP.
BUT THIS IS AN AVERAGE OF KIRKWOOD, AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
THEN FOR US TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND THE TREE LINE, WE'VE ELEVATED ARTIFICIALLY UP IN THE AIR SO THAT YOU START TO BEGIN TO SEE THE ROOFTOPS OF THE BUILDINGS.
BUT THIS VIEW IS NOT A VIEW THAT'S EVER GOING TO BE SEEN FROM ANY OF THE PEDESTRIAN VIEWS.
BUT THIS JUST GIVES YOU A CONTEXT OF HOW YOU CAN START TO SEE THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, AND WHAT WE WERE TALKING IN BEHIND THE EXISTING TREES HERE.
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WE DON'T HAVE ANY VIEWS FROM THE 114 SIDE, BUT DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VIEW PRESERVATION?>> NO. I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY VERY HELPFUL.
I WOULD JUST REITERATE PROBABLY I WANT TO CONSIDER DOING THE SAME THING FROM THE 114 SIDE.
DR. SPRINGER, YOU GOT ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THAT?
>> NO. I THINK IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD AS FAR AS WITH THE TYPOGRAPHY THAT'S THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THEY COULD DO.
TO ME, THEY'VE MADE EVERY EFFORT TO KEEP IT DOWN AS LOW AS POSSIBLE, AND PROTECT THOSE NICE-LOOKING VIEWS TO THAT AREA THROUGH THERE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT ALL THE DRAINAGE BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU'RE STEPPING DOWN THERE IS GOING TO GO INTO THAT FLOODPLAIN AREA.
THAT'S THE NATURAL FLOW OF THE WHOLE PROPERTY NOW.
>> THE NATURAL FLOW OF EVERYTHING IS MORE TOWARDS THE NORTH.
I BELIEVE I'VE GOT A SITE PLAN IN THIS PRESENTATION. HOLD ON.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE REMAINDER OF THE PAGES HELPING TO ILLUSTRATE WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE ACTUAL EXTERIOR FACADE.
WE'RE USING A TILT-WALL CONCRETE METHOD, BUT WE'RE APPLYING A FORM LINER TO IT SO THAT WE GET A MORE VARIED FINISH, AND IT'S NOT A FLAT CONCRETE WALL.
EVEN ON THIS INTERIOR SPINE WE'RE DOING THE SAME ELEMENT, WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO USE FORM LINER OR JOINT METHODS SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A FLAT TILT WALL THAT YOU'LL SEE CLOSER TO THE AIRPORT.
WE HAVE TAKEN A LITTLE BIT MORE CARE WITH THE OPERATIONS BUILDING USING A LITTLE BIT OF METAL PANEL, AND SOME ADDITIONAL FORM LINER METHODS AROUND THERE.
THIS IS A COLOR STUDY OPTION OF THE ACTUAL FINISH COLORS THAT WE ANTICIPATE USING ON THE VARIOUS PORTIONS OF THE BUILDINGS.
THIS GETS INTO THE ACTUAL FORM LINER DETAILING.
WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY BUFFING OUT THE MOST OUTWARDLY FACE TO GET AGAIN, ANOTHER ELEMENT OF TEXTURE ONTO THAT PROFILE.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CONCRETE WALL ITSELF HAS IN AND OUTS BOTH IN A VERTICAL FASHION LIKE THIS AND THEN THIS WOULD BE MORE OF A HORIZONTAL.
BUT IT STILL HAS INS AND OUTS, AND THIS WILL AGAIN CREATE SHADOW LINES ACROSS THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
>> THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE PAINTED, OR DOES IT GOING TO HAVE A FINISH ON IT?
>> IT WILL HAVE A FINISH BECAUSE WE'LL LEAVE SAY ON PATTERN ON THIS OPTION B PANEL, THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL, WHICH IS MAINLY OBSCURED BY EQUIPMENT, WILL EVEN NATURAL FINISH, BUT ANYTHING THAT'S UP ABOVE THAT ELEVATION WILL PUT A FINISH TO IT SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE NORMAL CONCRETE.
>> SIMILAR TO WHAT'S DONE AT KIMBALL IN 114.
THEY'VE USED A SIMILAR METHOD THERE AND HAD IT'S NOT A STANDARD GRADE CONCRETE.
IT'S GOT A DARKER FINISH TO IT.
>> THANKS. THERE'S NO RETENTION OR ANYTHING ON SITE? IT'S ALL PRETTY MUCH WHERE AS FAR AS DRAINAGE GOES, IT'S GOING DOWN TOWARDS THE FLOODPLAIN AREA?
>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. WE DID DO A DRAINAGE STUDY AS REQUESTED BY THE CITY AND BASED ON THE TIMING OF OUR SITE LEADING THE FLOODPLAIN BEFORE THE REST OF THE DRAINAGE AREA GETS THERE, THERE WASN'T AN ATTENTION REQUIRED.
>> LIKE YOU SAID, ALL OF THE DRAINAGE DOES GO THROUGH INLETS, IMPACT SYSTEMS ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH.
>> YOU GUYS PROBABLY I THINK ALREADY COVERED THIS WITH THE CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS, BUT I CAN'T RECALL THE SPECIFIC ANSWER TO WHY THE SWITCH COULDN'T BE MOVED CLOSER IN.
>> LET ME TRY TO GO THROUGH THAT AWAY FROM KIRKWOOD.
YES, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE SWITCH LOCATED HERE WITHOUT HAVING TO MOVE IT CLOSER IN THIS WAY.
IF WE DID MOVE IT CLOSER IN THIS WAY, THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO BE AN EASEMENT ROAD ALL THE WAY THROUGH, WHICH WOULD THEN TAKE OUT MORE EXISTING LANDSCAPE.
THEN ONE OR TWO THINGS WOULD HAPPEN.
WE'D EITHER HAVE TO CHANGE THE SECURITY FENCE LINE AND THEN THIS NATURAL BODY OF WATER MAKES THAT A BIT MORE DIFFICULT, AND ALSO THE TOPOGRAPHY HERE IT DROPS OFF VERY QUICKLY.
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TO GET THE SWITCH FURTHER IN, IT'S A LOT MORE COMPLICATED.>> BUT WITH THIS WATER ELEMENT BEING THERE AND SUCH, WE THOUGHT IT BEST TO LEAVE IT OUT HERE.
THERE'S LESS DISRUPTION TO THE EXISTING, AND THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL TAKE THE SECURITY FENCE TO HERE AND THEN COME AROUND THE BACK OF IT AND THEN JOIN BACK UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE THERE.
>> WE'LL WORK OUT THE FINAL DETAILS WITH TRICARE COUNTY ON HOW THEY WANT TO ACCESS THEIR SWITCH AND WHERE WE NEED TO ALLOW FOR THE OPENING AND ENTRY WITHIN THE VARIOUS FENCE ELEMENTS.
>> ONLY OTHER COMMENT I WOULD HAVE IS ALONG THE LINES OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS OFF THE 114 WITH RESPECT TO THE SCREENING AROUND THE SWITCH AND THE PLANT MATERIAL, IT MIGHT BE WORTH HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT INADVERTENTLY APPROVING A COUPLE OF LITTLE BONDS LIKE TREES OUT THERE AND NOT REALIZING IT.
MAYBE GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL FOR CITY COUNCIL IF YOU COULD.
>> ABSOLUTELY WILL AVOID THOSE TREES.
I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER IN TERMS OF THE CALIPER INCHES FEWER BUT LARGER TREES.
THE ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY YES, WE CAN DO FEWER TREES WITH A LARGER SIZE.
WE CAN'T DO FULL-GROWN, BUT [LAUGHTER] WE'LL PUT BIGGER TREES IN THERE. ABSOLUTELY.
>> ALL RIGHT, GOOD DEAL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? [NOISE] THANK YOU ALL.
>> ITEM NUMBER 9 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF ANYONE WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 9.
YOU ALL ARE PRETTY TAME AUDIENCE.
I GUESS SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
>> I WOULD JUST MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT PIGGYBACKING OFF THE LAST COMMENT ABOUT TREES AND SO ON.
I THINK SINCE THIS PROJECT STARTED, I THINK [INAUDIBLE] HAS PROVEN VERY MUCH COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING QUALITY SIGHT LINES TO THE COMMUNITIES, TO KIRKWOOD, TO THE NORTHEAST THERE AND I APPLAUD THE EFFORTS THAT YOU'RE MAKING HERE AND THANKS FOR THE CONSIDERATION.
>> YEAH, I THINK IN A LOT OF WAYS, THIS ISN'T GOING TO GO UNNOTICED.
VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC AND BARELY GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT IF AT ALL, AND I THINK IT'S GREAT.
>> IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ANY MORE ELECTRICAL CHARGING STATIONS FOR CARS THEN YOUR PROBABILITY GET THAT IN NOW TOO.
>> I GUESS WE'LL BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND MAYBE IDENTIFY THE VARIANCES AND THEN ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE MENTIONED.
IF YOU'RE READY, COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER.
>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ZA 22-0008, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 17TH, 2022 IN THE DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 1, DATED FEBRUARY 17TH, 2022.
GRANTING THE SIX VARIANCES DO I NEED TO NOTE THOSE? I DON'T HAVE THOSE IN FRONT OF ME.
>> GRANTING THE SIX VARIANCES IS REQUESTED, ENCOURAGING THE APPLICANT AS THEY GO FORWARD TO PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION IN THE WAY OF PHOTOS OF THE BUFFER YARD THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE REQUEST FROM THE FIRST VARIANCE.
PROVIDING A PERSPECTIVE ON THE SITE LINES ALONG 114, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'VE DONE ALONG KIRKWOOD, REALLY CREATING AS MUCH VISUAL OF THE LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS AS YOU CAN, AND NOTING SPECIFICALLY THE ACCESS FROM 114 BEING POTENTIALLY EGRESS BUT LIMITED TO BE EGRESS ONLY.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE A VERY GOOD MOTION TO ME.
I HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME, CONGRATS AND GOOD LUCK IN CITY COUNCIL.
NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 10 ZA 22-0009,
[10. Consider: ZA22-0009, Site Plan for Lakeside Presbyterian on property described as Lot 13R1, J. G. Allen No. 18 Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 2701 W. Southlake Blvd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "CS" Community Service District. SPIN Neighborhood #11. PUBLIC HEARING]
SITE PLAN FOR LAKESIDE PRESBYTERIAN.DENNIS, I THINK IF WE COULD ON THIS ONE, MAYBE SKIP THE STAFF PRESENTATION, BUT IF YOU WOULD PUT THE SLIDE UP THAT SHOWS THE DATES OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, IF YOU WOULD?
>> THE DATE REFERENCED ON THE NEW STUDY IS WHEN I WAS PREPARED AND FINALIZED.
LOOKING BACK AT THE STUDY, I THINK I MENTIONED WORK SESSION, THE COUNTS I LOOKED AT WERE NOVEMBER TIME FRAME WAS ACTUALLY AROUND THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER THAT THE COUNTS WERE TAKEN.
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>> IS THE APPLICANT HERE? [NOISE].
HOW ARE YOU ALL DOING THIS EVENING? IF YOU'D BE KIND ENOUGH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>>DAVE NEWSO, 8145, MOUNT SHASTA CIRCLE IN FORT WORTH.
>> DONNY FREDRICKSON, 416, DEER RUN KELLER.
>> DO YOU ALL HAVE A PRESENTATION OR WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR US TONIGHT?
>> BASICALLY, AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND.
LIKE SAID PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH OPENED ITS DOORS, LOCATION 2701, SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD IN JANUARY OF 2008, AND THEN MOVING FORWARD TO 2014, WE DECIDED TO ADD ON A TWO-STOREY EDUCATIONAL BUILDING IN THE BACK.
IT COMPRISED OF 16,00 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S ATTACHED TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
THE 1ST FLOOR WAS FINISHED OUT AND THE 2ND FLOOR WAS LEFT UNFINISHED FOR FUTURE FINISH AND THAT WAS IN 2014 WHEN IT BEGAN.
NOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO FINISH OUT THE 2ND FLOOR.
IT HAS BEEN AN OPEN SHELL OF 8,200 SQUARE FEET AND IT'S GOING TO BE A YOUTH CENTER UP THERE, SOME CLASSROOMS, RESTROOMS, AND AN ELEVATOR WE HAVE PUT IN.
SO WE'D LIKE TO FINISH THAT OUT NOW AND USE THAT FOR THE CONGREGATION.
>> AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN IDEA OF THE EFFECT ON YOUR ATTENDANCE OF GOING THROUGH THE LAST TWO YEARS?
>> WELL, I KNOW WHEN WE BEGAN OCCUPANCY THERE IN 2008, IT WAS RIGHT AROUND 100, ITS ATTENDANCE.
SINCE THEN IT WENT TO ABOUT 160 OR SO IN 2017- 2018 AND THEN RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALMOST 190- 200.
>>THAT'S BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT SINCE COVID STARTED?
>> WELL, THEY WOULD DROP DOWN TO ABOUT 140.
AND IT SLOWLY STAYED THERE FOR A WHILE THEN WE'VE WORKED OUR WAY BACK UP.
>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
>> WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS ON THIS TRAFFIC STUDY AND I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE.
OF COURSE, I HAVE TO TAKE MY SHOES OFF TO DO THIS BIG MATH.
BUT ON THAT, TIA DATED 114, IN THE MORNING, YOU GET 64 IN AND 21 OUT.
BUT HOW DO YOU GET 137 OUT IN THE AFTERNOON? WHERE DO ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE COMING FROM? SO, I CAN SEE ON YEAR 1 THAT'S 2014, YOU GOT 132 IN AND 136 OUT, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE.
I'M FOLLOWING THE NUMBERS THERE.
>> YEAH. THAT'S THE PEAK HOURS 64.
THE CARS AND PEOPLE ARRIVE OVER SEVERAL-HOUR PERIOD BECAUSE OF THE SOUND CREW AND THE PRAISE TEAM GETS THERE FIRST AND YOU HAVE TYPICALLY AROUND 10 CARS FOR THAT.
THEN THE NEXT GROUP OF CARS WOULD BE FOR THE SUNDAY SCHOOL, TENNESSEE.
YOU HAVE AROUND 40- 45 CARS COMING IN AT THAT TIME.
THEN THE SERVICE BEGINS AT 10:30 AND YOU'D HAVE YOUR REMAINDER THAT DIDN'T GO TO SUNDAY SCHOOL SO THEY WOULD SHOW UP AT THAT TIME.
AND YOU WOULD HAVE THE REMAINDER THAT WAS, THAT'S PROBABLY THE PEAK AT 64.
THEN AFTER THE SERVICE, EVERYONE LEAVES AND THAT SEEMS ALL HIGH.
TYPICALLY COUNT ABOUT 100 CARS IN OUR PARKING LOT ON A TYPICAL SUNDAY.
SO, I'M NOT SURE WITH THE 137.
>> YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. I'M SAYING 137 DIDN'T SHOW UP, SO I'M WONDERING HOW THEY LEFT.
>> WELL, I KNOW, BUT STILL IT SHOULD CORRELATE SOME FASHION I WOULD THINK.
>> I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT THE PEAK INBOUND 64 IS COMING IN AT 10:30 FOR THE SERVICE, THAT'S OUR LARGE MAJORITY, BUT BOTH ALL THE PEOPLE FROM SUNDAY SCHOOL WHO ALSO REMAINED FOR THE WORSHIP SERVICE.
EVERYBODY'S LEAVING AT THE SAME TIME.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS PROBABLY TWO AND A HALF HOURS WORTH OF BUILDUP THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THAT 64.
AND THEN YOU'RE SEEING EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE ON THE OUTBOUND.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS OR NOT?
>> WELL, WHEN YOU GUYS GO TO COUNCIL, MAKES SURE YOU GET THAT STRAIGHTENED OUT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
SO, I'M AGREEING WITH YOU THE WAY THE NATURAL TRAFFIC FLOW SHOULD BE, BUT THESE NUMBERS DON'T SEEM RIGHT.
>> IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE REFLECTIVE OF SOME AFTERNOON EVENT THAT HAPPENED, RIGHT?
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PEOPLE CAME IN AT TWO AND THEN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE LEFT AT THE PM HOURS.>> I THINK ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT REPORT THAT WAS DONE, IT DOES HAVE TRAFFIC COUNTS FOR VARIOUS TIME-FRAMES AND THEY'LL SHOW THIS WAS THE PEAK.
IT DOES HAVE VARIOUS NUMBERS THERE AND THAT'S OVER MAYBE A THREE-HOUR PERIOD OR SO.
WE CAN MAKE THAT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. SO IT SAYS THAT THE THRESHOLD SHOULD NOT EXCEED 100 VEHICLES PER HOUR AND YOUR OUTBOUND YOU HAVE 137.
IS THAT ONLY TALKING ABOUT INBOUND SHOULDN'T EXCEED 100 VEHICLES PER HOUR? BECAUSE IT WOULD SEEM LIKE YOU ARE EXCEEDING IT IN YOUR OUTBOUND AFTERNOON.
>> THAT'S TALKING ABOUT INBOUND COMING IN OFF OF SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.
>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL.
>> ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF ANYONE WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COMMENTS, THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? OBVIOUSLY, A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2014 AND 2022 BUT I WOULD NOTE THAT THE CITY'S ENGINEER SEEMS TO AGREE.
>> COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS, ANY COMMENTS? NO. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS?
>> IS THIS LIKE A ONE AND DONE, I MEAN, ONCE WE WAIVER THIS, WE CAN ASK THEM TO DO A TRAFFIC COUNT IN 5 YEARS, AND POTENTIALLY IF IT'S CHANGED, EXCEEDS, THEN DO IT?
>>YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY ENGINEER EVALUATE THE TOURNEY MOVING CONDITIONS AND CAN BE EVALUATED IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT A RECOMMENDATION OF YOUR APPROVAL.
I THINK ONE THING THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IS THAT THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES ON 1709 ON SUNDAYS, THEY'RE AT THEIR LOWEST PERIOD ON THOSE SUNDAY MORNINGS.
AND SO, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE NORMAL RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC ON THE SUNDAY AM PEAK AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN CLARIFY COMMISSIONER SPRINGER, BUT WHAT'S MOST LIKELY GOING ON IN THIS AS MENTIONED, IS THAT THE PEAK HOUR JUST REPRESENTS THE HOUR IN WHICH MOST OF THE VEHICLES ARE ENTERING THE SITE, WHICH IS PROBABLY 10 O'CLOCK FOR THE SERVICE.
THERE'S PROBABLY MANY PEOPLE COMING INTO CLASS AND MAYBE SOME PEOPLE COMING LATE, BUT THAT'S YOUR PEAK PERIOD TURNING INTO THE SITE.
SO THEY ASK US TO REMOVE THIS CELL LAYING ON 1709 AS PART OF REQUIREMENT TO FINISH OUT THAT.
THE COUNTS AND GATE AT THE PEAK HOUR 10 TO 11, YOU GET 64 CARS TURNING INTO THAT.
THE SERVICE IS OVER PROBABLY AT 12:15 TO 12:30 OR WHATEVER IT IS, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO LUNCH AND SO ALL THE CARS ARE HITTING THAT EXIT POINT MOST LIKELY.
SO, THAT'S WHY THE NUMBERS, EVERY CAR IN YOU GET EVERY CAR OUT BUT YOU ONLY GET 64 DURING THAT PEAK TIME AND GETTING MAYBE 30 AT 9:00 AND MAYBE A FEW MORE COMING IN AFTER 11:00.
BUT EVERYBODY'S LEAVING, ONCE THE SERVICE IS OVER FOR THE DAY AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE DISPARITY IN THE NUMBERS.
IT'S OVER A SINGLE PERIOD OF TIME, EVERYBODY'S LEAVING, BUT COMING IN AS OVER A THREE HOUR PERIOD.
THEY ARE ONLY MEASURING THAT PERIOD BECAUSE IT'S THE IMPACT ON THAT D CELL LANE AT ONE TIME IS WHAT YOU'RE MEASURING.
>> KEN, DOES IT MAKE SENSE? WE DON'T WANT TO CONDITION OUR APPROVAL ON A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT RATHER RECOMMEND THAT IT MIGHT BE WARRANTED IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AT ALL?
>> YEAH. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT AT ALL IF SOMETHING IS DRIVING ATTENDANCE IN THE FUTURE, WHETHER EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING, THEY'LL SUBMIT A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY WHICH MAY KICK IT OVER THAT THRESHOLD.
THE NUMBERS THAT THEY'RE INDICATING TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS VERIFIED BUT OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER DOESN'T SEEM TO MEET THAT 100 HUNDRED VEHICLES COMING IN ON THE SUNDAY PEAK HOUR AND 64, IT'S QUITE A BIT LOWER THAN 100.
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>> PROBABLY WE BETTER RELY ON KIMELY HORN AND MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD ON THIS ONE SINCE THEY'RE THE EXPERTS.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY THERE'S PROBABLY NOT MUCH MORE VEHICLES THAT CAN FIT IN THAT PARKING LOT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND SO, I THINK THE MARGIN OF ERROR HERE IS PRETTY FLEXIBLE.
IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER Z A22 - 0009, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 11TH, 2022, AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 1 DATED FEBRUARY 2ND, 2022, AND ENCOURAGING THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILS SHOULD THIS GO TO COUNCIL ON THE TIA, IS TO EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A DIAS HERE.
AND ALSO NOTING THAT SHOULD THE CHURCH CONTINUE ITS GROWTH OR BUILDING EXPANSION AND SO ON, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY OR A REQUEST TO CONDUCT ANOTHER TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AT SOME FUTURE POINT IN TIME.
>> I HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. ITEM CARRIES 6- 0.
THAT IS OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
[NOISE] GAVEL OUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.