7. Consider: Ordinance 480-793, ZA22-0010, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Carnation Auto Spa (currently Krystal Clean Car Wash) on property described as Lot 2, T. J. Thompson No. 1502 Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, located at 955 Davis Blvd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "C-3" General Commercial District. Requested Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #10. PUBLIC HEARING

[7. Consider: Ordinance 480-793, ZA22-0010, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Carnation Auto Spa (currently Krystal Clean Car Wash) on property described as Lot 2, T. J. Thompson No. 1502 Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, located at 955 Davis Blvd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "C-3" General Commercial District. Requested Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #10. PUBLIC HEARING]

AND DENNIS, WE WENT OVER THIS APPLICATION DURING OUR WORK SESSION THAT WE JUST HAD.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT MAYBE WE NEED THE WHOLE PRESENTATION, MAYBE JUST THE SEVERAL SLIDES YOU'D REALLY MAKE SURE WE WE FOCUS ON.

CERTAINLY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. CURRENT ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY IS C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

AND THIS CAR WASH CURRENTLY OPERATES UNDER A PROVISION ZONING ORDINANCE FOR A FULL SERVICE CAR WASH UNDER A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT APPROVAL.

THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS INDUSTRIAL.

SO AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN APPROVED WITH THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AS WELL AS THE ZONING THAT WAS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME. AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO ALLOW FOR A SELF SERVICE, FLEX SERVICE, CAR WASH FACILITY IN PARTICULAR ADDING A ROW, TWO ROWS OF SELF SERVE VACUUM STATIONS AS WELL AS THE SELF SERVE ABILITY TO RUN YOUR CAR THROUGH THE CAR WASH.

AND THAT IS A REASON FOR THE ZONING CHANGE.

BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, I'LL BE GLAD TO REFER BACK TO ANY OTHER SLIDES OR TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.

THEY HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION ABOUT THEIR FACILITY THAT THEY WOULD WISH TO PRESENT TO YOU AS WELL.

OKAY. THANK YOU, DENNIS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF RIGHT NOW? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOOD, DENNIS, BUT WE'LL RESERVE THE RIGHT TO ASK ANY FOLLOW UPS.

CAN THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM PLEASE COME UP? AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT WHAT I'VE HEARD DEFINED AS A BRIEF PRESENTATION, WHICH BRIEF IS GOOD.

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THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE. SO PLEASE JUST HIT ON THE THE HIGH POINTS AND PLEASE, IF YOU DON'T MIND STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE ZONING PLANNING COMMITTEE.

MY NAME IS DREW SHEPPARD.

MY ADDRESS IS 3030 ELIZABETH STREET,625, DALLAS, TEXAS 75204.

I AM CEO OF CARNATION AUTO SPA AND OPERATING PARTNER OF IRON SKILLET PARTNERS.

THIS IS A FACILITY OF OURS AND A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON US.

WE RUN 16 CAR WASHES IN THROUGHOUT DFW.

WE ARE ALL DFW BORN AND RAISED AS PART OF IRON SKILLET AND THIS IS ONE OF OUR SITES ON MOCKINGBIRD LANE, PART OF THE PARK CITIES IN DALLAS.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS OR NOT, BUT SOME OF OUR GOALS.

I ALREADY WENT THROUGH THE TOP OF WHAT WE PLAN TO, IF APPROVED, INVEST OVER $1,000,000 IN NOT ONLY UPGRADING THE PROPERTY TO MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

BUT ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS AND IT WAS ADDRESSED THROUGH THE OBJECTION, IS TO IMPROVE THE NOISE LEVEL ON THE PROPERTY.

OUR GOAL IS TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BEST ACCOMMODATE THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS THAT SHARE A PROPERTY LINE ALONG THE SOUTH OF OUR OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO ACQUIRE.

YOU'VE SEEN OUR PROPOSED WAY OUT.

ONE ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE SPIN MEETING WAS THE VEHICLE STACKING AND THE LAYOUT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE OUR GOALS IS TO MOVE THE THE POINT OF SALE TO FURTHER BACK ON THE PROPERTY, ELIMINATING KIND OF ELIMINATING THE CROSS UTILIZATION OF THE EXIT OF THE TUNNEL WITH THE ENTRANCE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE POINT OF SALE WOULD TAKE PLACE.

WE BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES CURRENTLY IS THE CO-MINGLING OF VEHICLES AS THEY EXIT THE PROPERTY AND RECEIVE KIND OF THE FINAL TOUCHES IN WHERE THE CUSTOMERS GO TO PAY BY MOVING THE POINT OF SALE FURTHER BACK IN THE PROPERTY.

NOT ONLY WE'RE GOING TO SPEED UP THE TRANSACTION BECAUSE THE THE TRANSACTION WILL BE DONE AT THE WHERE YOU ARE GREETED.

BUT IT WILL ALSO BE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE TUNNEL EXIT WHERE THOSE FINAL TOUCHES ARE BEING DONE.

IT'S JUST WHERE WE ARE IN THIS STAGE OF THE PROCESS.

SO WE CONDUCTED OUR OWN INTERNAL NOISE STUDY, NOTHING SCIENTIFIC.

BUT I SPECIFICALLY WENT ON THE PROPERTY, TOOK DECIBEL READINGS OF WHERE WHAT THE NOISE LEVELS ARE FROM VARIOUS POINTS AND AS WELL AS PROVIDED SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT THE NOISE LEVEL WOULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE BASED ON SOME OF OUR EXISTING PROPERTIES.

ONE OF OUR GOALS IS INSTALLING BRAND NEW VACUUM PRODUCERS THAT OPERATE MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY, MUCH QUIETER, AND WITH A GOAL OF FULLY AND CLOSING THAT VACUUM PRODUCER.

CURRENTLY IT IS ENCLOSED BY TWO SIDES AND AN ALUMINUM LOCKING DOOR THAT SWINGS OPEN.

THERE'S NOTHING ON TOP TO ENCLOSE IT EITHER.

IT'S ALSO AN OUTDATED PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT PRODUCES QUITE A BIT MORE NOISE THAN WHAT IS IN THE INDUSTRY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THE NOISE READINGS THAT WERE OBTAINED.

THESE WERE TAKEN JUST THIS PAST TUESDAY.

SO A READING WAS TAKEN AT THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE THE THE RESIDENT THAT HAS AN OBJECTION TO THESE CHANGES.

AND THAT READING WAS 62.4.

THAT SEEMS TO BE AND THAT IS AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

THAT IS NOT AT THE POINT OF CONCERN FOR THE RESIDENT THAT VOICED SPECIFIC LOCATIONS ON THEIR PROPERTY WHERE THEY HAVE WHERE THEY FEEL THAT THE NOISE IS TOO HIGH.

THIS IS THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT A VACUUM PRODUCER, A MODERN VACUUM AND PRODUCER PROVIDES.

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AS FAR AS DECIBEL LEVEL COMPARED TO OTHER HOUSEHOLD ITEMS. THIS IS AN ON END CLOSED PRODUCER.

AGAIN, WE WOULD WE WOULD CINDERBLOCK AND STONE MEET THE CITY REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT AS WELL ON THE ENCLOSURE.

BUT THE GOAL IS TO REDUCE THE SOUND LEVEL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE TO OUR TO OUR NEIGHBORS CONCERNS.

THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS CHANGE.

AS I MENTIONED, THERE WILL BE A POINT OF SALE IN WHAT YOU PAY WITH THE GREETER.

CURRENTLY YOU MEET A GREETER, THEY TAKE YOUR ORDER.

YOU GO INSIDE TO PAY, BY PAYING AT THE POINT OF SALE WHERE THE PAYING WHERE THE GREETER IS CURRENTLY LOCATED.

THE GOAL IS TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS, IMPROVE STACKING, IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW ON THE PROPERTY.

THIS WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE SPIN MEETING WAS THE STACKING OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW.

SO WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT HOW THE PROCESS WOULD CHANGE AND TO ARTICULATE THAT GETTING VEHICLES ON AND OFF THE PROPERTY IN A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER IS IMPORTANT TO US AND ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS MEETING.

THIS IS A BASIC HOUSEHOLD INCOME NUMBERS FOR SITES THAT WE CURRENTLY OWN IN THE PROPOSED SITE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

THESE ARE HIGH DEMOGRAPHIC NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHERE WE HAVE SELF SERVICE VACUUMS, EXPRESS VACUUMS, WE ALSO OFFER FULL SERVICE.

WE ARE A FULL SERVICE BRAND.

WE JUST WANT TO PROVIDE THIS SELF SERVICE OPTION FOR CUSTOMERS AS THE AS THE CUSTOMER BEHAVIOR HAS BEGUN TO CHANGE WITHIN THE INDUSTRY.

THIS IS OUR LEMMON AVENUE SITE THAT FEATURES A BUNCH OF MANY OF THE HIGHLAND PARK COMMUNITY COMES TO VISIT THIS SITE.

WE WANTED TO SHOW THAT HERE ARE SOME OF THE NICEST VEHICLES THAT YOU CAN BUY, A BRAND NEW CADILLAC ESCALADE AND A RANGE ROVER.

AND THESE THESE ARE CUSTOMERS THAT DO USE OUR SELF SERVICE VACUUMS. THIS WAS A CONCERN FROM THE SPIN MEETING THAT CUSTOMERS THAT DRIVE NICE VEHICLES AREN'T INTERESTED IN VACUUMING THEIR OWN CARS.

AND WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.

HERE IS THE HIGHLAND PARK COMMUNITY VACUUMING THEIR OWN CARS.

ANOTHER CONCERN AS PART OF THE PROCESS IS THE PROPOSED CANOPIES.

WE TYPICALLY HAVE UTILIZED A ROYAL BLUE.

WE ARE OPEN TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE'S RECOMMENDATION.

IF THEY DETERMINE THAT NAVY IS A MORE APPROPRIATE COLOR BECAUSE ROYAL DOESN'T MATCH THEIR COLOR STANDARDS, WE ARE OPEN TO THAT AS WELL.

AGAIN, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO BE AS FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE.

WE WANT TO IMPROVE THIS PROPERTY.

WE WANT TO MAKE IT A PLACE WHERE THE CITIZENS OF SOUTHLAKE ACTUALLY WANT TO GO TO.

WHAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION DURING THE SPIN MEETING IS MEMBERS OF THAT OF THE SPIN COMMITTEE GO TO THE MUSTANG. THEY NO LONGER GO TO THIS SITE ANYMORE.

WE WANT TO PUT, WE WANT TO INVEST SERIOUS CAPITAL TO GET THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTHLAKE EXCITED ABOUT STAYING WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY AND SPENDING THEIR DOLLARS WITHIN THIS WITHIN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

THAT'S THE EXTENT OF OUR PRESENTATION, BUT I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

SO OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.

I WAS WONDERING ABOUT.

WHERE ARE YOU HANDING THE CARS OFF AT THE POINT OF SALE? IS THAT IS THAT WHERE YOU WOULD THE OWNER WOULD GET OUT OF THE CAR OR DOES THE OWNER DRIVE THROUGH THE WASH TUNNEL? THE OWNER DRIVES THE CAR THROUGH THE WASH.

OKAY. SO THEY'RE GOING TO STAY IN THEIR CAR THE WHOLE TIME.

THEY'LL STAY IN THE CAR.

THEY'LL PROCEED. WE'LL GUIDE THEM TO THE WHERE THE VACUUMS ARE.

THEY'LL BE DESIGNATED FULL SERVICE LANE SPOTS WITHIN THE PROPOSED VACUUMS, AND THEY'LL EXIT THE VEHICLE THERE.

SO THE FULL SERVICE THAT'S LIKE THEY HAVE NOW WITH THE CANOPIES AT THE EXIT WHERE THEY TOWEL EVERYTHING OFF, WASH THE WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, GET ALL THE SPOTS OFF AND THE WHOLE BIT LIKE THAT. SO SAME THING THERE.

THE OWNER IS STILL STAYING IN THE CAR THERE DURING THE FULL SERVICE.

YEAH. NO, THEY EXIT AND WILL GO TO THE LOBBY AND IT WOULD BE THE SAME WITH THIS PROPERTY.

BUT THEN WHEN THEY WANT TO GO TO THE VACUUM PART TO DO THE INTERIOR, THEN THEY GET BACK IN THE CAR AGAIN IF THEY.

SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT PRICING OPTIONS IN WHICH YOU GET AN EXTERIOR ONLY.

AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO GO VACUUM IT YOURSELF, WE WILL HAVE VACUUMS AVAILABLE FOR YOU, THE CUSTOMER.

IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO THE FULL SERVICE WHERE WE DO IT FOR YOU, YOU WOULD EXIT THE VEHICLE.

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ONCE YOU PULL INTO THE VACUUMS, GO TO THE LOBBY.

WE'LL COME GET YOU IN. THE VEHICLE'S READY, BUT YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO ENJOY YOUR TIME AND RELAX IN THE LOBBY LIKE THE SITE IS CURRENTLY SET UP.

BUT EITHER WAY YOU GO, IF YOU DO THE EXPRESS OR THE SELF SERVICE OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE STILL GOING.

THE DRIVER IS STILL GOING TO STAY IN THE VEHICLE UNTIL THEY EXIT THE WASH.

YES, SIR. OKAY, THANKS.

I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

IF YOU'RE BRANDING YOURSELF PRIMARILY AS A FULL SERVICE CAR WASH, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU'VE GOT FAR TOO MANY SELF SERVICE CANOPIES.

HOW MANY CANOPIES ARE THERE THAT YOU'RE PLANNING FOR THIS FACILITY? AND MAYBE WHEN YOU ANSWER THAT, DO YOU MIND KIND OF FLIPPING BACK INTO PRESENTATION? YES, SIR. JUST KIND OF VISUALLY SHOW THE SITE PLAN YOU HAD, BUT GO AHEAD.

IS IT 18 TO 18? BUT I THINK THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH A STRATEGY TO BRAND YOURSELF AS A FULL SERVICE CAR WASH.

AND I DON'T CARE WHAT MEDIAN INCOME IS OR ANYTHING.

I DON'T CARE WHAT TYPES OF CARS PEOPLE ARE DRIVING.

I DON'T THINK BASED ON MUSTANG SUCCESS, SINCE YOU REFERENCED IT IN THE CHALLENGE THAT CRYSTAL CLEANERS PASTE, THAT PEOPLE ARE NECESSARILY GOING TO GRAVITATE TO A SELF SERVICE MODEL IMMEDIATELY.

SO WHAT I MIGHT SUGGEST 18 SEEMS LIKE PERHAPS DOUBLE WHAT YOU NEED.

MAYBE ONE OF THE WAYS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE TWO OR THREE OF THOSE IN EACH 20 FEET THAT YOU MOVE FURTHER AWAY.

NOW ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH A QUIETER VACUUM AND A TECHNOLOGY THAT IS GOING TO BE FAR SUPERIOR TO WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY.

BUT HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT REDUCING THE NUMBER OF SELF-SERVICE VACUUM STATIONS AND THEN PULLING THOSE AWAY FROM THAT NEIGHBOR TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SOUND CONCERNS? SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT'S ONE VACUUM PRODUCER THAT GETS DISTRIBUTED TO THE 18 BAYS.

AND SO WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE 18 OR WE CUT THAT IN HALF, IT'S THE SAME PRODUCER PRODUCING THE SAME AMOUNT OF SOUND.

NOW, COULD THIS BE, WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL LAND.

AND IF IT WAS TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON SEVERAL OF THESE SPOTS THAT ARE TOWARDS THE SOUTH, CLOSEST TO THE CUSTOMER, TO I'M SORRY, TO THE RESIDENT'S PROPERTY, THOSE COULD GET MOVED TO FURTHER EAST AND IN CLOSER TO THE NORTH WHERE THE PRODUCER IS GOING TO BE PLACED.

IF I MAY.

YEAH. I MIGHT SAY, YES, THAT THE PRODUCER IS RIGHT HERE WHERE IF YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE THAT ON THE SCREEN AND THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 250 FEET AWAY FROM THE FROM THE CUSTOMER.

AND WHEREAS, CURRENTLY, THAT PRODUCER LIES RIGHT HERE.

AND SO THERE'S ADDITIONAL DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO TRY AND ALLEVIATE THE THE NOISE CONCERNS.

ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE WILLING TO INSTALL A TALLER FANS NOISE REDUCING TREES ALL ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.

ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE TO EASE THIS CITIZENS CONCERNS.

WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE NOISE.

WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY FOR THE BENEFIT NOT ONLY OF THE COMMUNITY, THIS RESIDENT WHO'S EXPERIENCING THESE NOISE CONCERNS, AS IS.

I MEAN, IF THIS DOESN'T GET IMPROVED, IF THIS DOES NOT GET APPROVED, IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE AND BE A NUISANCE FOR THE FOR THAT RESIDENT.

JUST ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION.

FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT'S A PART OF THE DISCUSSION WHEN YOU GO FORWARD TO COUNCIL, REGARDLESS OF DECISION HERE.

YES, SIR. PLEASE CLARIFY FOR ME ON THAT, IF YOU WOULD, WHERE THE PAY STATION IS UNDER YOUR PROPOSED PLAN.

BECAUSE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT SEEMS YOU'RE DOING IS IF YOU'RE CREATING IF YOU'RE MOVING IT CLOSER TO DAVIS BOULEVARD, ARE YOU POTENTIALLY CREATING A QUEUE THERE THAT'S GOING TO BACK UP ON DAVIS BOULEVARD? THAT'S MY LAST QUESTION, BY THE WAY.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

SO EXISTING PAYMENT IS TAKEN INSIDE THE BUILDING, BUT THERE IS A GREETER WHERE I'VE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE EXISTING PLAN RIGHT NOW. AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE WOULD BE THE PAY STATIONS IN THE PROPOSAL.

AND SO IT IS FURTHER IT'S FURTHER NORTH IN THE PROPERTY.

FURTHER FROM THIS EASEMENT DOWN HERE IS A FIRE LINE EASEMENT.

SO IT'D BE FURTHER AWAY FROM THAT EASEMENT, FURTHER AWAY FROM THAT PROPERTY, ALSO FURTHER FROM DAVIS BOULEVARD.

SO YOU HAVE MORE VEHICLES THAT CAN FIT ONTO THE PROPERTY BACKING AWAY FROM DAVIS BOULEVARD, BACKING AWAY FROM THE TUNNEL EXIT AS WELL.

I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER.

THANK YOU. I HOPE THAT CLARIFIED.

SO I HAVE A I HAVE A KIND OF CLARIFICATION QUESTION IN THIS COMMENT.

I WAS PART OF THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE MEETING THAT YOU CAME AND SPOKE WITH US, AND PART OF MY CONCERN WAS THE STACKING SLASH QUEUING OUT TO THE ROAD.

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BUT WHEN I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION, THE DISCUSSION WAS AROUND THIS BEING A SELF SERVICE.

SO JUST LIKE YOU DESCRIBED TO THE COMMISSIONER, YOU DRIVE YOUR CAR THROUGH YOURSELF AND YOU VACUUM IT YOURSELF.

ONLY THERE WASN'T UNLESS I WAS MISUNDERSTOOD IT OR IT CHANGED.

AND I DON'T MEAN IT CHANGED IN A THREATENING WAY, BUT JUST DID THAT CHANGE THAT OR WAS THERE ALWAYS THAT OPTION THAT YOU COULD PAY FOR SOMEBODY TO DO IT FOR YOU OR DO IT YOURSELF? SO I APOLOGIZE IF THERE WAS CONFUSION FROM THE LAST MEETING.

THE YOU HAVE THE OPTIONALITY FOR BOTH.

OK. YOU MAY COME IN AND YOU JUST WANT THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR CAR DONE.

YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO TAKE CARE OF THE INSIDE.

YOU NEED TO GO, BUT YOUR CAR ON THE OUTSIDE IS DIRTY.

YOU HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE VACUUMS IF YOU WANT TO USE THE VACUUMS AND YOU WANT TO DO IT YOURSELF, BECAUSE WE DO SEE THAT AS CHANGING CONSUMER BEHAVIOR ACROSS THE INDUSTRY.

THEN WE WILL HAVE THAT FOR YOU.

YOU WANT TO PAY SOMEBODY TO DO IT FOR YOU AND YOU WANT TO GO RELAX IN THE LOBBY.

THEN WE OFFER THAT AS WELL.

AND THAT IS A THAT IS A CORE COMPETENCY OF CARNATION AUTO SPA.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A, I DON'T KNOW IF MAJOR IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT PROBABLY A MAJOR CLARIFICATION TO MAKE IF THIS ADVANCES TO COUNCIL BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE WRAPPED AROUND THE MOST MANY OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

ME PERSONALLY FROM THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE AND AND EVEN PLANNING AND ZONING I TYPICALLY GO TO CAR WASHES LIKE THIS WHERE I DRIVE MYSELF THROUGH.

JUST BECAUSE IT'S EASIER, I DON'T HAVE TO GET OUT AND I DON'T HAVE TO SIT IN THE LOBBY AND THEN WAIT.

I CAN JUST CONTROL MY DESTINY, GO THROUGH AND GET OUT.

AND THEN I CHOOSE WHETHER I VACUUM OR NOT.

BUT IT DOESN'T TEND TO BE AS FREQUENT.

BUT I THINK THE ABILITY TO STILL HAVE THE FULL SERVICE COMPONENT, I THINK IS MAJOR KEY FOR THIS SUCCESS.

YEAH. AND WE DO BRAND OURSELVES AS A FULL SERVICE CAR WASH WITH THE EXPRESS OPTION.

IT'S A CORE COMPETENCY OF CARNATION AUTO AS WELL.

AND WE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE TAKE PRIDE IN.

IT ALLOWS US TO EMPLOY MORE PEOPLE.

WHILE MANY OTHER COMPANIES ARE TRYING TO ELIMINATE STAFF AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, WE TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN THE FACT THAT AMONG OUR 16 LOCATIONS THAT WE EMPLOY NEARLY 400 PEOPLE THROUGHOUT DFW.

SO WE WANT AND WE FOCUS ON HIGH END DEMOGRAPHIC MARKETS WHERE THE CUSTOMER DEMAND IS FOR FULL SERVICE. WE DON'T WANT TO ELIMINATE THAT.

WE WANT TO, IN FACT, WE WANT TO GROW IT.

WE WANT TO PULL THAT BUSINESS.

FRANKLY, WE'D LIKE TO PULL THE BUSINESS BACK AWAY FROM MUSTANG FROM THE SOUTHLAKE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING OVER THERE AND DRIVING THE GRAPEVINE TO GET THEIR CAR DONE.

WE WANT THEM TO STAY IN SOUTHLAKE.

YEAH. GOOD.

THE OTHER THING I'D POINT OUT IS, AND I KIND OF RECOMMEND THIS IF IT ADVANCES TO CITY COUNCIL AS WELL IS SHOWING AN OPTION BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FIRST JUMPED OUT AT ME AND I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE UNTIL YOU EXPLAIN IT TO COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER, BUT THE VACUUM BEING ON THAT NORTHEAST CORNER.

BUT I DO THINK THE OPTICS OF HAVING THOSE CANOPIES ON THAT VACANT LAND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT VACANT LAND.

MM HMM. ME PERSONALLY LOOKS MORE ATTRACTIVE AND LESS INTRUSIVE, AT LEAST OPTICALLY, TO THESE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH SIDE.

I THINK SHOWING THAT OPTIONALITY WOULD BE WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.

OKAY. AND THERE'S AND THERE'S FRANKLY, THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH LAND THERE FOR US THAT'S UNUTILIZED ON HERE THAT WE CAN WE CAN DROP SOME OF THESE, CREATE MORE SPACE, EXTEND OUT, PAVE THE REMAINDER OF THE OF THE LAND THAT'S NOT BEING USED AND ADD SOME ADDITIONAL VACUUMS BACK THERE.

SO IT WOULD END UP LIKELY BEING THREE ROWS POTENTIALLY OF SIX, BUT WE COULD STILL ALL DO THE FUNCTION WITH ONE LARGE VACUUM PRODUCER.

AGAIN, IT'S FULLY ENCLOSED, UNLIKE THE CURRENT SETUP.

UM, COMMISSIONER DYCHE? WHAT ARE YOUR PLANNED OPERATING HOURS? SO WE, WE AT OUR OTHER SITES OPERATE WITH KIND OF SPRING SUMMER HOURS, 8 A.M.

TO 8 P.M., MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, SUNDAY IT'S 8 A.M.

TO 7:00 PM. NOW IF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE HAS THEIR OWN OPERATING HOURS, THAT WE ARE MORE THAN FLEXIBLE TO WORK WITH, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY AND CIRCUMVENT THOSE, BUT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR THIS TO TURN INTO A 24 HOUR.

NO, NO, NO.

SO I THINK WE CAN POTENTIALLY CODIFY SOME OF THAT IN A MOTION.

DR. SPRINGER AND ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION NOW.

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SO WHETHER YOU EXPRESS OR DO THE FULL SERVICE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING THE SAME VACUUM STATIONS, RIGHT? IT'S JUST YOUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USE THE SAME VACUUM LOCATIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

THE 18, IF THEY'RE VACUUMING THE CAR OR IS IT THE WAY IT IS NOW, WHERE THEY DO IT AT A CENTRAL PART THAT'S ONLY FOR THE FULL SERVICE.

SO LOOKING AT THE CURRENT PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS WE WOULD DESIGNATE THIS ROW OF VACUUMS HERE FOR FULL SERVICE CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY. THESE WOULD BE THE SELF SERVICE.

NOW THEY USE THIS SAME PRODUCER THAT'S RIGHT HERE AND IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE PLUMBED UNDERGROUND SO THAT THE VACUUM CAN GET TO THE FULL SERVICE SIDE.

BUT AS SORRY, THOSE WILL BE DESIGNATED FULL SERVICE BAYS, IT WOULD BE FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES TO USE EXCLUSIVELY.

YES, YES, YES.

AND THEY WOULD BE IDENTIFIED FOR CUSTOMERS.

THERE WILL BE APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE AGAIN, WHATEVER MATCHES THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE REQUIREMENTS.

BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DESIGNATE THOSE SPECIFIC BAYS FOR FULL SERVICE AND FOR DETAIL WORK TO BE DONE.

THOSE WILL BE DONE UNDER THOSE BAYS THERE.

UM, MAYBE A QUICK I'LL GET A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT ALSO STAFF REAL QUICK, IF YOU DON'T MIND FLIPPING BACK TO THAT SLIDE WHERE YOU SHOWED THE DECIBEL LEVELS MEASURED, I GUESS, STAFF, DO YOU MIND REMINDING ME, I GUESS, JUST HOW OUR NOISE ORDINANCE WOULD WORK IN THIS? I MEAN, I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S AN EXISTING SITUATION THAT'S I GUESS IT SOUNDS LIKE POTENTIALLY WORSE THAN WHAT THIS POTENTIAL NEW SITUATION COULD BE. BUT I GUESS JUST HOW EXACTLY IN TERMS OF THE LEVEL OF READING AND WHERE IT'S MEASURED, MAYBE, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS MAYBE TO BRING UP.

SO THE THE DAYTIME AT THE RESIDENTIAL PIPELINE, 60 DECIBELS DBA, AND THAT'S DEFINED FROM 7 A.M. TO 9 P.M.

AT NIGHTTIME, IT'S 55 DBAS.

AND THEN ON SUNDAY IT'S 55 DBAS.

AND SO NO MATTER HOW THE OPERATION, THEY'LL ALWAYS HAVE TO MEET THOSE THRESHOLDS, DEPENDING WHENEVER THEY OPERATE.

IT'S DAYTIME, IT'S FOR 9 P.M..

THEY'LL ALWAYS HAVE TO BE LESS THAN 60 DBA AT THAT PROPERTY LINE.

I'D LIKE TO GO BACK JUST IN.

SOME OF YOU ALL MAY REMEMBER THE GENERATOR AT CENTRAL MARKET AND SOME OF THE NOISE ISSUES WITH THAT.

AND ONE THING YOU CAN DO UNDER THIS ZONING OR IF YOU DO CONSIDER MOVING IT FORWARD, IS THAT THE BEFORE THAT FINAL CERTIFICATES ISSUE FOR OPERATION YOU HAVE HAVE THAT TEST OCCUR AND THEY CAN HAVE A CERTIFIED NOISE SPECIALIST CERTIFY THAT WHEN THE VACUUMS ARE OPERATING AND YOU WANT TO MAKE IT NOT ONLY ONE VACUUMS WOULD BE OPERATING AND THERE COULD BE MULTIPLE VACUUMS OPERATING.

AND SO MUCH LIKE THE GENERATOR WHERE YOU WANTED TO HAVE IT OPERATING AT FULL HORSEPOWER, YOU WANT TO CREATE A SCENARIO WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE MULTIPLE WORST CASE SCENARIO OPERATING TO SEE IF THAT THAT THAT NOISE STANDARD IS BEING MET.

AND IT'S MUCH EASIER FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF WE'RE NOT OUT THERE VISITING THE BUSINESS, WHICH THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND IF ANY TYPE OF NOISE MITIGATION NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE TO REDUCE THOSE DBAS AT THE PROPERTY LINE, WE'RE ADDRESSING THOSE UP FRONT VERSUS TRYING TO KIND OF CHASE IT AFTER THE FACT.

WE DON'T WANT THAT.

THE BUSINESS OWNER DOESN'T WANT THAT.

SO THAT THAT'S AN OPTION YOU CAN CONSIDER IF YOU DECIDE TO TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

MAYBE ASK OUR VICE CHAIR TO KIND OF NOTE THAT IN TERMS OF INCLUSION IN ANY POTENTIAL MOTION AS WELL AS THE COMMENT ABOUT THE HOURS IN TERMS OF I THINK NO LATER THAN 8 P.M.

ON MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND NO LATER THAN 7:00 PM ON SUNDAY.

AND I GUESS THE FIRST TIME PERIOD WAS 8 A.M.

I THINK IS WHEN YOU SAID YOU CORRECT ON THOSE DAYS.

SO MAYBE CONSIDERING THAT IN A MOTION AS WELL, THAT WAY THAT CAN NARROW DOWN THE AMOUNT OF SOUND AND WHEN THE TIME CHANGES.

JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN THE TIME CHANGES AND WE FALL BACK, WE DO CHANGE THOSE HOURS TO OUR WINTER HOURS AND THAT'S CLOSING AT SEVEN MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 6:00 PM ON SUNDAYS. OKAY. MAYBE WE JUST KIND OF NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD, ALTHOUGH I THINK ISN'T THAT GOING AWAY TANGENT HERE, I THINK LIKE I THINK IT'S HELD UP IN THE HOUSE.

IS IT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, SENATE PASSED IT BUT IMAGINE THAT.

GOVERNMENT. NEVER MIND.

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A COUPLE OTHER THINGS REAL QUICK, I GUESS.

I DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE ON COLOR SCHEME, BUT I FIND USUALLY OTHERS DO.

SO MAYBE I APPRECIATE YOUR FLEXIBILITY THERE.

MAYBE YOU CAN GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.

CERTAINLY. MAYBE FOR THE COUNCIL LEVEL AS WELL.

THEY CAN WEIGH IN AND WE'RE OPEN TO A HARD STRUCTURE CANOPY AS WELL, IF THAT'S OKAY, IF THAT ENDS UP BEING A REQUIREMENT.

I THINK BOTH THOSE ARE GOOD.

AND THEN LASTLY, YOU MENTIONED ON THAT SOUTHERN BORDER BEING OPEN TO NEIGHBOR FEEDBACK REGARDING I GUESS IT SOUNDS LIKE NEW FENCING OR WE ARE WILLING TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR CONCERNS.

I GUESS WHAT I WOULD BUT I WOULD SAY WE HAVEN'T HAD OUR PUBLIC HEARING YET, BUT I WOULD SAY AT A MINIMUM, I THINK FROM OUR SIDE WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE KIND OF NOTED THAT FOR THE RECORD, THAT YOU'D BE WILLING TO SPEAK WITH THIS NEIGHBOR ABOUT THEIR PREFERENCES ON BOTH FENCING AND POTENTIAL LANDSCAPE BUFFERING FROM NOISE.

NOT SAYING YOU'RE SIGNING ON THE DOTTED LINE FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S DISCUSSED, BUT AT LEAST RAISING THE ISSUE, SEEING WHAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED THERE.

BECAUSE AGAIN, AT A POTENTIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THAT DIALOG WILL BE FLUSHED OUT.

HOW DID IT GO? WHAT WAS REQUESTED? HOW ARE YOU RESPONDING? SO I THINK THAT COULD BE HELPFUL AS WELL.

ABSOLUTELY. IS THERE A IS THERE A METHODOLOGY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE? STAFF CAN HELP COORDINATE THAT IN TERMS OF PROVIDING CONTACTED AND THEY MAY BE HERE THIS EVENING.

SO I DON'T KNOW. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, STAFF CAN KIND OF HELP AND AT A MINIMUM, I GUESS TRY TO REACH OUT TO THEM IF THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY. AND JUST LET THEM KNOW YOU'D BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT.

SO. ABSOLUTELY.

ANY OTHER.

I JUST HAD I JUST HAD A COUPLE MORE QUICK COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

THE CANOPIES THAT ARE OUT FRONT, ARE THOSE BEING REMOVED OR ARE THEY STAYING OUT FRONT THAT FACE THE ROAD? THOSE ARE THOSE WILL BE REMOVED.

OKAY, GOOD. YEAH, THEY AREN'T THEY ARE NOT A NECESSARY COMPONENT.

OKAY. I THINK THAT'S GREAT JUST FOR THE THE ESTHETICS OF IT AND THEN THE INSIDE EQUIPMENT OF THE TUNNEL.

IS THAT BEING UPGRADED TO FULL TUNNEL REPLACEMENT.

YEAH, FULL EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT.

THE ONE OF THE NOISE CONCERNS AND YOU'LL SEE AS PART OF THE UNSCIENTIFIC NOISE STUDY I DID, BUT IS THE BLOWER NOISE THAT THOSE ARE THE BLOWERS AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL THAT BLOW THE WATER OFF THE VEHICLE? THOSE ARE ALSO OUTDATED.

NEWER ONES ARE MUCH QUIETER, MUCH MORE EFFICIENT.

THOSE WE WOULD BE REPLACING THOSE AS PART OF A FULL EQUIPMENT, REPLACE IT REPLACEMENT, TRYING TO MODERNIZE THE SITE AS WELL THROUGH THIS PROCESS, MAKING IT A COMPLETELY BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR THE FOR THE RESIDENTS.

GOOD, GOOD.

YEAH. AND I THINK JUST TO THE EXTENT THIS IMPROVES THINGS FOR THAT NEIGHBOR, THE BETTER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S FOLIAGE OR SOMETHING TO THE EXTENT.

BUT THE COMMISSIONER SAID CHAIRMAN SAID THAT'S ALL I GOT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? FOR NOW, FULL TIME CAR WASH MEMBERSHIP MIGHT BE A GOOD THING TO OFFER TO SOMEBODY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GREASE THE WHEELS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A TRANSACTION, IF IT HELPS ENSURE THIS BOARD CAN FACILITATE.

BUT THANK YOU, DR.

OK. I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW, BUT IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, WE'LL INVITE YOU BACK UP.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING TO ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS SIDE OF IT AND SEEING NO ONE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF STIPULATIONS THROWN OUT THERE.

I GUESS I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF EMOTION THAT INCLUDED THOSE STIPULATIONS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO KICK ANY OF THOSE AROUND OR ALLOW THE VICE CHAIRMAN TO TRY TO MAKE A MOTION OR WHAT COMMISSIONERS I'D LIKE.

I'M NOT TERRIBLY DISTURBED ABOUT THEIR COLOR OF THEIR CANOPIES, BUT I THINK I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT WITHIN WHAT OUR COLOR SCHEMES ARE.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED GOING OUTSIDE OF THAT STIPULATE NAVY BLUE THEN.

YEAH. BECAUSE THERE'S NAVY STIPULATING COLOR NAVY BLUE THERE WAS THE OURS DIRECTOR BAKER'S IDEA ABOUT MEASURING DECIBELS BEFORE FINAL CERTIFICATE, ASKING THE APPLICANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH REGARDING FENCING AND LANDSCAPING.

ANYTHING ELSE? THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN WITH THE VACUUM'S MOVE TO THE VACANT LAND.

YES, AND THAT COUNCIL KIND OF LIKES TO SEE OPTIONS.

SO I THINK IF YOU BRING TWO OPTIONS, THEY WILL LIKELY GRAVITATE TO ONE OR THE OTHER.

ANYTHING ELSE?

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I GUESS IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN THE MOTION ON THIS ONE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA WSA 20 20010 SUBJECT TO STAFF REPORT DATED APRIL 1ST, 2022. FURTHER SUBJECT TO THE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED APRIL 29, 2022, AND ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANTS AND RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL SITE PLAN WITH OPTIONS FOR THE VACUUM CANOPIES MOVED TO THE EAST AND NORTH AND POTENTIALLY ALSO DROPPING SOME OF THOSE OR REDUCING THE NUMBER.

ALSO NOTING AND I GUESS CONDITIONING THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATION THAT THE HOURS WOULD BE 8 TO 8 MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND 8 TO 7 ON SUNDAY AND THEN CHANGE TO 8 TO 7 MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND 8 TO 6 WHEN THE TIME CHANGES, IF IT CHANGES THIS FALL. ALSO CONDITIONING THE RECOMMENDATION ON A DECIBEL TEST CERTIFICATION PRIOR TO A FINAL CERTIFICATE BEING ISSUED AND ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO USE NAVY BLUE FOR THE CANOPIES AND THEN FINALLY NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS PRIOR TO COUNCIL TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBOR AND ADDRESS THE FENCING AND LANDSCAPING ISSUES.

THE MOTION. WOW.

SECOND, THANK YOU.

ALL IN FAVOR.

PLEASE VOTE OR PLEASE VOTE AND WE'LL SEE IF ALL ARE IN FAVOR.

THEY ARE SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD LUCK.

APPRECIATE YOUR MINDSET OF TRYING TO WORK WITH US ON THIS AND SUGGEST SOLUTIONS.

SO THANK YOU. AND I'D TAKE THAT SAME MINDSET TO CITY COUNCIL AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL MAKE IT THROUGH IN SOME MANNER.

HEY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST NOTICED I MADE MY MOTION SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED APRIL 1ST.

ALL RIGHT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD AMEND THAT OR NOT.

CAN I ASK, CAN I DO, LIKE, CLARIFICATION ON YOUR MOTION? YEAH, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT MY MOTION OR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 4TH, 2022.

REVISED. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. RESTROOM.

ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? AND THEN I GUESS MAYBE FOR OUR APPLICANT THERE, THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY COUNCIL MEETING, I BELIEVE WILL BE ON MAY 17TH.

YES, SIR. IF THEY CHOOSE TO MAKE THAT DEADLINE.

SO GOOD LUCK. NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.

OUR LAST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER.

CHAIRMAN, JUST SORRY, JUST FOR THE CERTIFICATION THAT ANY OPTIONAL PLANS WILL NEED TO BE SUBMITTED TO DENNIS BY BY MONDAY, THIS NEXT MONDAY.

SO THERE'S A SHORT WINDOW.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT MAY 9TH, MONDAY, NO PRESSURE.

GOOD LUCK TO YOUR CONSULTANTS.

HOPE YOU DIDN'T HAVE WEEKEND PLANS.

HEY, THIS IS WHERE THINGS GOT GOTTA GET DONE.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA.

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THE LAST ITEM, IT'S A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR TWO ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.

DENNIS I KNOW THIS IS ONE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR WORK SESSION.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED A STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS ONE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS NOT CHANGED AT ALL SINCE THE LAST TIME WE VIEWED THIS AND APPROVED IT.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, SO I GUESS MOST ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

I WAS GOING TO INVITE THE APPLICANT UP.

OKAY, GOOD.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MY NAME IS MASON GRIFFIN AND I RESIDE AT 4908 SPYGLASS DRIVE IN DALLAS AND I AM HERE REPRESENTING VERIZON WIRELESS.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE'VE WE'RE BACK AGAIN ON THIS TOPIC.