May 10, 2022 SPIN Town Hall Forum

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GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

[1. Call to Order: Video Introduction of SPIN Program by Southlake Mayor John Huffman]

I'M A MEMBER OF THE SOUTHLAKE, CECC, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMMITTEE.

ONE OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES IS TO HOST THE SPIN TOWNHALL FORUMS, AND THE PURPOSE OF SPIN IS TO GET FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS ON PROJECTS AND OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

MANY OF THESE ITEMS PERTAIN TO DEVELOPMENT, AND I LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT SPIN IS AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND THAT NO VOTES OR DECISIONS ARE TAKEN TONIGHT. SPIN IS ALSO LIVE STREAMED THROUGH VOD OR VIDEO ON DEMAND, AND WE LIKE TO ASK THOSE IN ATTENDANCE WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO USE THE MICROPHONES AT THE FRONT OR ALONG THE AISLES SO THOSE AT HOME CAN HEAR SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AS WELL.

NEXT, WE WILL SHOW A BRIEF VIDEO INTRODUCTION OF THE SPIN PROGRAM BY SOUTHLAKE MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN.

GOOD EVENING, I'M SOUTHLAKE MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT'S SPIN TOWN HALL FORUM.

THE ITEMS PRESENTED AT SPIN REPRESENT IDEAS OFTEN IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.

NOW, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THIS CONVERSATION STARTS HERE FIRST WITH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WITH YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPER.

THERE ARE NO VOTES TAKEN AT SPIN AND NO DECISIONS ARE MADE.

SPIN IS SIMPLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE, AND ONCE THE MEETING IS OVER, BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ARE PROVIDED WITH A SPIN MEETING REPORT THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE DISCUSSION FROM TONIGHT.

WE TAKE YOUR IMPRESSIONS AND QUESTIONS INTO ACCOUNT WHEN CONSIDERING ANY ITEM THAT COMES BEFORE US FURTHER ALONG IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION TO HELPING MAKE SOUTHLAKE A BETTER PLACE.

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. EXCELLENT.

AS A QUICK REMINDER, AFTER APPLICANT PRESENTATIONS OR THE CURRENT PRESENTATION, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE WITH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS CAN STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE IN THE AISLE LINEUP AND QUEUE UP FOR THE Q&A PORTION OF THE SPIN MEETING.

WE DEVELOPED AN ONLINE SPIN, QUESTION AND COMMENT FORM AS WELL FOR RESIDENTS WHO WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT IN PERSON TO SUBMIT ANY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.

I'LL READ THESE AFTER THOSE IN ATTENDANCE IN PERSON TODAY ARE ABLE TO SPEAK.

AGAIN, THIS MEETING IS BROADCAST LIVE THROUGH OUR CITY'S VOD SYSTEM AND IT CAN BE ACCESSED ON THE MAIN WEBSITE CITYOFSOUTHLAKE.COM.

WITH THAT, LET US GET TO OUR MAIN APPLICANT PRESENTATION COSTS.

[2. SPIN2022-11 - An applicant is proposing a zoning change to develop nine (9) single-family residential residences on approximately 5.4 acres located at 101 E. Highland St. within SPIN Neighborhood #7.]

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP NINE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RESIDENCES ON APPROXIMATELY 5.4 ACRES LOCATED AT 101 EAST HIGHLAND STREET, AND WITH THAT, I'LL PASS THE FLOOR TO KOSS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE YOU ALL PROVIDING THIS FORM FOR US TONIGHT.

MY NAME IS KOSS MAYKUS AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF HAT CREEK DEVELOPMENT.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR HIGHLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH IT AS QUICKLY AS I CAN.

THIS IS THE OVERALL AERIAL OF OUR LOCATION, WHICH WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE, RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHLAND AND WHITE'S CHAPEL NEAR THE RECENTLY COMPLETED TRAFFIC CIRCLE, AND PROBABLY YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE BECAUSE THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, IT'S WHERE THE CONTRACTOR THAT WAS IMPROVING WHITE'S CHAPEL, IT'S WHERE THEY STORED THEIR CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AND OTHERWISE.

THAT'S OUR SITE, 5.4 ACRES.

SEE THE ROADS PRETTY MUCH GO NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST.

COMING OUT OF THIS SITE, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GO SOUTH, BUT YOU CAN GO NORTH INTO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND THEN GO SOUTH.

SO PRETTY MUCH THIS SITE HAS VERY GOOD TRAFFIC AND OUR ONLY ACCESS WILL BE OUT ONTO THE NEW WHITE'S CHAPEL.

THIS IS OUR SITE.

TO THE FAR NORTH OF US IS MIXED USE COMMERCIAL, WHICH MOSTLY TODAY IS THE HOTEL AND THEN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

HERE'S THE HOSPITAL OFFSITE.

THIS IS 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.

WE ACTUALLY PUT THESE FIVE LOTS IN ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO.

THEY'RE DONE WITH VERY NICE HOMES THAT FRONT HIGHLAND.

THIS IS A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE ENTITLED.

WE DIDN'T BUILD THESE.

THEY WERE SOLD TO A CUSTOM BUILDER, AND THOSE SO THOSE HOMES ARE TEN OR 12 YEARS OLD.

THESE ARE 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, I THINK WERE DONE ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO.

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THIS IS 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS THAT WERE DEVELOPED OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS.

WE'RE ACTUALLY PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY FROM THE CHURCH HERE, THE NEW DAY CHURCH, AND THIS WAS WHAT THEY BELIEVE NOW IS EXCESS PROPERTY.

HERE'S OUR SITE IMPOSED.

WE PROPOSE TO DO NINE, MINIMUM 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LOTS THAT'LL BE 23 TO 25000 SQUARE FEET.

WE PROPOSE THAT THESE NINE LOTS WILL BE DEVELOPED AND WILL BE BUILT BY CUSTOM HOMEBUILDERS.

YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL THERE'S A GOOD BIT OF TOPOGRAPHY ON THIS SITE.

THIS IS A PLACE THAT I KNOW WHEN THE JULY 4TH FIREWORKS HAPPENED, IT'S A PLACE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE CONGREGATE TO WATCH THE FIREWORKS OVER HERE TO THE EAST.

WE PROPOSE TO DO A HIGH QUALITY DEAL.

CUSTOM BUILDERS.

THESE HOMES WILL PROBABLY GO FROM PROBABLY TWO AND A HALF TO THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

RIGHT NOW, THERE'S VERY LITTLE LOT INVENTORY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN SOUTHLAKE, AND WITH TONIGHT, I THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE OUT THAT WE'RE DOING THIS, BUT WE WILL ASSEMBLE A VERY HIGH QUALITY GROUP OF BUILDERS AND TRY TO MAKE THIS A GREAT ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WITH THAT, I STAND BY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AWESOME, THANK YOU.

NOW THIS ITEM IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

WE ASK THOSE WITH QUESTIONS, PLEASE USE THE MICROPHONES IN THE AISLES SO THOSE WATCHING FROM HOME CAN HEAR.

HI THERE. I'M MARK [INAUDIBLE].

MY HOME IS AT 1105 TINA TRAIL; IT'S IN THAT CHELSEA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.

DO YOU BACK UP HERE TO ONE OF THESE? I DO NOT.

NOW, MR. [INAUDIBLE] HERE DOES, AND IT'S A QUESTION; IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT.

I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AT ALL.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT, BUT YOU MENTIONED THE TOPOGRAPHY.

THAT IS A VERY TOUGH TOPOGRAPHY AND THAT LOT AS A VACANT SPACE HAS DRAINED INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES, ESPECIALLY FLOODING THE POOL OVER HERE OF MR. [INAUDIBLE] SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST, AS WELL AS MR. BULLOCK, WHO'S UP THERE BY LOT NUMBER FOUR, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.

I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING OR MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION, BUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT'S EXTRA NORMAL TO PREVENT DURING CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS AFTER THAT DRAINAGE FROM FLOWING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY IT'S GOING TO BE CUMBERSOME FOR YOU, AND I THINK YOU ALREADY REALIZED THAT.

YES, SIR. SURE, SO LET ME TELL YOU, WHEN WE DESIGNED THIS, YOUR CHELSEA NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU ARE, IT'S OFF THE MAP. LET ME GO BACK.

LET'S SEE. IF YOU'LL NOTICE RIGHT HERE, LARGE DETENTION AREA, THAT DETENTION AREA, WHEN IT WAS DESIGNED TEN OR 12 YEARS AGO, AND THAT'S BASICALLY HOW THAT WE HAVE THIS.

WHEN WE DID THIS, WE HAD AN OPTION ON THIS PROPERTY.

IT WAS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE ULTIMATE DRAINAGE FROM THIS TRACT, AND THERE IS PIPING THAT GOES ALL HERE.

SO WE WILL HAVE TO ON THIS OUR EASTERN BOUNDARY, AND I WILL TELL YOU, IF YOU WANT TO, I CAN GIVE YOU MY CARD, BUT THE DRAINAGE AND GRADING HAS ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED.

SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THESE LOTS ARE GOING TO BE GRADED AND THEN THIS WATER IS GOING TO BE DESIGNED TO GO INTO PIPING, GO UNDERGROUND INTO THIS DETENTION AREA, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.

YOU'RE JUST GETTING ACTIVE FLOW OVER GRASS AND IT'S NOT GOING INTO ANY FORM OF DETENTION DEVICE.

YOU'RE JUST GETTING COMMON FLOW.

WE WILL BE CAPTURING THAT WATER AND THEN TAKING IT OVER HERE INTO THIS POND THAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO ACCEPT.

IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM? I GUESS IT WAS.

YOU SAID IT WAS DESIGNED TO ACCEPT, BUT I'VE EVEN ON OCCASION SEEN THAT POND COME VERY, VERY CLOSE TO AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW, MR. WHAT'S HIS NAME? WHO'S THE DEVELOPER THAT LIVES NEXT TO US? IT'S ALMOST FLOODED HIS POOL SEVERAL TIMES.

IT'S ATWATER CUSTOM HOMES.

ATWOOD? YEAH, IT'S THE FATHER IN LAW, BUT HE LIVES NEXT TO US, AND HIS POOL'S ALMOST FLOODED OVER SEVERAL TIMES DURING HEAVY RAIN.

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NOW I'LL SAY THIS AND I'VE DRIVEN BY, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN OUT AND DONE ANY DIMENSIONAL CONTROL, BUT WE WILL BEFORE WE DO CONSTRUCTION, I MEAN, IT'S SIZED NOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN.

LET'S SAY THE POND HAS SILTED UP WHILE YOU ALL HAVE LIVED THERE FOR EIGHT OR TEN YEARS THAT THE WELL, I MEAN, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM DO, BUT WE WILL DO AN ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALTHOUGH THE SPACE IS THERE, THERE MAY NOT BE THE VOLUMETRIC CAPACITY.

WE WILL GO INSPECT THAT.

WE WILL DO MEASUREMENTS, AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN INTERESTING SUCCESS STORY THAT WE JUST DID.

WE JUST FINISHED THE CRESCENT HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S LIKE FROM SHADY OAKS WEST, AND THAT IS AN AREA THAT PROPERTY FOR YEARS, I DON'T WANT TO SAY FLOODED, BUT IT DRAINED OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH.

TIMBERLAKE AND STONE LAKES, THEIR PONDS HAD BEEN SILTED UP NOT FROM OUR STUFF, AND IT WAS A MAJOR CONCERN.

STARTED A MEETING JUST LIKE THIS NEIGHBOR.

THERE WAS A LOT MORE NEIGHBORS--ONLY A FEW OF US.

OKAY, YEAH, THERE WAS A LOT MORE NEIGHBORS, BUT, YOU KNOW, AN INTERESTING THING HAPPENED.

WE WILL DO A SIMILAR ANALYSIS THAT WE DID ON THAT, AND WHAT WE DID IS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEIR PONDS HAD CAPACITY.

NOW, A COUPLE OF THEIRS DIDN'T AND THEN WE DID, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE EROSION CONTROL MEASURES TODAY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THAN THEY WERE TEN YEARS AGO.

WE WILL INCORPORATE THE BETTER PRACTICES ALONG HERE.

IT'S CALLED THE BEST PRACTICES, THE USE OF SILT FENCE, THE USE OF BERMING, THE USE OF SILTATION TRAPS, SO THAT WHILE WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, YOU DON'T SEE WHAT YOU SAY, WHERE SOMEBODY'S GOT THEIR POOL OVERWHELMED BY MUD, AND THEN WE WILL ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THIS AREA THAT I KNOW IS DESIGNED SIZE WISE, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT OPERATING AS DESIGNED, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, AND I'LL BE HERE IF YOU HAVE LIKE IF YOU WANT A CARD OR ANYTHING, YOU WANT TO TALK FURTHER.

I'M FINE WITH THAT.

NOW, HERE'S THE NEIGHBORS WITH THE POOLS.

OKAY, GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? I'M GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? SO MARCUS [INAUDIBLE] AND I'M BASICALLY BACKED UP TO LOT FIVE AND THEN TYLER BULLOCK THAT JUST WALKED IN IS UP IN THE CORNER AGAINST LOT FOUR.

LIKE THAT RIGHT THERE? YEP. AND THEN YOU'RE RIGHT HERE? YEP, EXACTLY.

SO YOU ALL ARE TWO OF THE THREE.

YEP, AND SO TODAY IT'S JUST AN AQUEDUCT.

THE WE HAVE ANOTHER NEIGHBOR, RICK [INAUDIBLE], WHO SITS IN BETWEEN US, AND TO BE HONEST, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF THE RAIN FROM THAT, WE ACTUALLY PUT IN A FRENCH DRAIN THAT RUNS FROM THE LOWER TWO HOMES INTO THE BIG DRAIN JUST TO ADDRESS THAT BUT WE STILL GET A MUDDING CONNECT CONDITION AND I'LL SAY IT'S PROBABLY EVERY OTHER YEAR.

YOU SAID DID YOU SAY MUDDING? YEAH, MUD IN THE POOL WHERE THERE'S MORE WATER FLOW AND IT CAN'T DRAIN FAST ENOUGH.

IT OVERWHELMS THE SYSTEM.

EXACTLY, AND THEN ALSO AND YOU MENTIONED THE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS UP ABOVE, I THINK YOU, WELL, TO BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW, BUT BECAUSE ORIGINALLY IT WAS M.

CHRISTOPHER, I KNOW THEY FILED BANKRUPTCY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TOOK OVER THEN OR NOT.

NO, I SOLD THE LOTS TO M.

CHRISTOPHER. OKAY, SO NEEDLESS TO SAY, WHEN THAT WAS GRADED, THE WATER USED TO DRAIN TO THE ROAD, WHICH WAS GREAT, AND HOWEVER, WHEN THEY REDID THE LOTS, THE WATER DRAINED TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTIES.

THAT CAUSED MR. BULLOCK A LOT OF ISSUES WITH MUD IN I BELIEVE THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE ACTUALLY CAME IN AND PUT IN SOME ADDITIONAL RUNNING KIND OF ALONG BECAUSE ALL THREE OF THOSE HOMES THAT ARE UP AGAINST THE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS HAD ISSUES WITH RAINWATER COMING IN , AND SO IT WAS NOT DONE ADEQUATELY, AND THEN THE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNS FEEDSTORE BARBECUE, HE'S THE FAR EASTERN ONE.

YEAH, HE'S IN THE FAR RIGHT CORNER UP AGAINST OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL, AND HE HE ENDED UP GETTING THE MOST IMPACT AND THEN THE CITY CAME IN AND ADDRESSED THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT'S OKAY TODAY, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A WORRY CARD.

I THINK THE OTHER CONCERN AND TYLER CAN PROBABLY TALK BETTER ABOUT THIS IS ALL THE HOMES FOR THE MOST PART, ARE ONE STORY IN OUR

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WHEN THEY BUILT THE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND HOMES, THOSE WERE TWO STORY, AND SO WHAT USED TO BE A NICE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FENCE AND NO ONE'S LOOKING INTO OUR HOMES OR OUR BACKYARDS, AND SO THAT'S CLEARLY A WORRY CARD I HAVE FOR LOTS FOUR AND FIVE.

AM I GOING TO HAVE A NICE TWO STORY $3 MILLION HOME AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT MY BACKYARD AND ME SWIMMING IN THE POOL.

YEAH, SO THAT'S A WORRY CARD AS WELL, BUT THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE TWO BIG CONCERNS THAT I HAVE.

SO, I'LL RESPOND TO YOU.

ON THE DRAINAGE DEAL, IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME AT ALL TO YOUR TERM MUD IN CONDITION.

THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO TERM IT.

RIGHT NOW, THIS TRACT HAS AT BEST DOESN'T HAVE MUCH VEGETATION ON IT.

IT'S GRASS, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE HOLDING A LOT.

I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF MUD.

NO, AND TO BE QUITE HONEST, IT WAS BECAUSE I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO MOVE IN.

SO I'VE BEEN THERE TEN YEARS COMING UP IN DECEMBER AND I'LL SAY THE FIRST FIVE YEARS WE WERE FINE AND THEN THE YEAR IT RAINED FOR SIX WEEKS STRAIGHT.

YEAH, AND ALL THE WATER TABLES CAME UP.

THAT'S REALLY WHEN WE STARTED SEEING THE ISSUES AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVEN'T COME DOWN.

SO WHENEVER THERE'S A LOT OF RAIN, YEAH, IT JUST COMES DOWN THE HILL, AND RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING OR CAPTURING OR TRANSMITTING THE WATER AWAY.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST A VACANT PIECE OF LAND.

THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

WE WILL PUT IN PREVENTION AS PER OUR PLAN.

WE WILL ALSO PUT IN ACCEPTANCE THAT TAKES IT FROM JUST FREE FLOWING EAST ONTO YOU TWO, AND YOUR NEIGHBOR, AND THAT'S A SERIES OF THINGS THAT'S BERMING, AND OTHER THINGS, AND THEN PIPING, AND THEN THIRDLY, IT'S TRANSMITTING IT OVER HERE TO THIS DETENTION POND, WHICH IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF IT'S NOT SILTED UP.

IT MAY BE OVERFLOWING, WHATEVER THAT IT MAY BE, AND TO YOUR TERM, WE ARE SENSITIZED TO IT.

WE KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY OUR BIGGEST THING THAT WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH, BUT THERE ARE PLANS LIKE I SAID, OUR PLANS, OUR PRELIMINARY DRAINAGE RATING IS ON FILE.

WE'VE ALREADY DONE TOPOGRAPHICAL STUDIES.

MY ENGINEER [INAUDIBLE] HAS ALREADY DESIGNED OUR WHOLE SYSTEM TO MITIGATE THE CONCERNS THAT YOU ALL HAVE, AND THEY'RE PUBLIC, SO I DON'T MIND SENDING THEM TO YOU.

I'LL GIVE YOU CARDS. OH, HE'S GOT THEM.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND THEM TO YOU.

LOOK AT IT IF YOU WANT, SUBSEQUENT TO THIS, CALL ME AND I'LL VISIT WITH YOU ALL.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

OKAY, AND THEN AS FAR AS PRIVACY, I MEAN, DO YOU KNOW AND OBVIOUSLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVEN'T SELECTED THE BUILDER, SO YOU DON'T--I HAVEN'T, WE DON'T HAVE HOUSES DESIGNED, HOWEVER. IT WON'T BE A TINY HOUSE FOR $3 MILLION, I ASSUME.

NO, I WILL SAY THIS, THOUGH.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'LL BE 5-6K FOOT HOUSES.

YOU KNOW, THE NEW THING IS TO COME DOWN TO LIKE A 4-4.4K SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.

SPREAD IT OUT ON THIS LOT.

NOT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, SO NOW I WILL TAKE YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE WINDOWS OVERLOOKING Y'ALL'S HOUSES.

NOW, OBVIOUSLY, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU--IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR--THE FELLA IN THE MIDDLE IS NOT HERE, HE'S PROBABLY NOT GETTING ANY WINDOWS BECAUSE HE'S IN THE FRONT YARD OF THOSE TWO LAST HOUSES.

NOW, IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR US TO ATTEMPT--BECAUSE WE WILL MAINTAIN ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL.

CAN I RESTRICT THAT? THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE A WINDOW THERE, BUT THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL PROCESS, I CAN TRY TO MITIGATE THAT AND SAY, LOOK, IF YOU CAN NOT HAVE A BUNCH OF WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE AND A BUNCH I CAN ELIMINATE, HAVING NONE MAYBE PROBLEMATIC, IT IS AN EAST EXPOSURE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE AN EAST WINDOW AND PARTICULARLY THAT WHERE IT DOES HAVE A NICE VIEW BUT I CAN TAKE YOUR CONCERNS.

I MEAN, AND IF I IF I WANTED TO DECEIVE YOU, I'D SIT HERE AND GO, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, I'M GOING TO PROMISE YOU I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT, AND THAT WOULD BE DECEITFUL.

I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT WE'LL TRY TO MITIGATE THAT AND I'LL TRY TO NOT HAVE ANY.

I'LL DO WHAT WE CAN, BUT RIGHT NOW I HAVEN'T EVEN SELECTED IT MAY BE ME THAT'S A BUILDER.

IT MAY BE PAT GRAY WHO'S HERE.

THAT'S A BUILDER. I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE CANDIDATES THAT WANT THE LOTS AND WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION.

I'LL DO WHAT I CAN TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT.

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SO I'M BEING REAL HONEST WITH YOU THAT I'M WILLING TO MEET YOU.

I'M WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT.

I'LL DO ALL I CAN, BUT IT WOULD BE IMPRUDENT ON ME TO MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, WITH SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE.

NOW, I'M VERY SINCERE WHEN I TELL YOU THAT I'LL TRY TO MITIGATE AND NOT HAVE ANY, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO PROMISE THAT RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD NOT BECAUSE I CAN'T.

OKAY, AND THEN JUST CLARIFICATION BECAUSE IT'S INTERESTING SINCE THIS IS BEING REZONED AND ORIGINALLY WHEN WE MOVED IN THE CHURCH THAT WAS THEIR PROPERTY, THEY HAD PLANNED TO POTENTIALLY EXPAND MAYBE PUT SOME OTHER BUILDINGS FOR THEIR CAMPUS, BUT THEN YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT ORIGINALLY THAT RETENTION POND WAS SIZED TO ACCOMMODATE RESIDENTIAL THROUGHOUT.

THIS IS ON THE LAND USE PLANNING FOR THE CITY AS MEDIUM DENSITY.

IF THE CHURCH WHAT I REMEMBER AND I SAW SOME OF THOSE PLANS IT WOULD MOST OF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN PARKING LOT.

WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE NO ONE'S LOOKING AT MY BACKYARD.

YEAH, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A DRAINAGE PROBLEM, YOU WOULD HAVE REALLY NOT LIKED HAVING A BUNCH OF WATER HITTING CONCRETE AND GETTING ON YOU IN ABOUT 5 MINUTES.

I MEAN, SINCERELY, RESIDENTIAL IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS BETTER THAN A WHOLE FIVE ACRES OF PARKING LOT.

NOW, THEIR PLANS, I THINK, CHANGED A LONG TIME AGO, LIKE THE PASTOR WE DEALT WITH IS NOT THERE ANYMORE, AND THEY'VE ACCEPTED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE A MODEST NEIGHBORHOOD CHURCH, BUT IT'S NEVER CHANGED ON THE LAND USE PLAN IS MEDIUM DENSITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE TOTALLY COMPLYING WITH. OKAY, AND I ASSUME THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE IS GOING TO VALIDATE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHATEVER TO HANDLE THE WATER IS SIZED PROPERLY AND--LET ME TELL YOU, THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY.

YES, AND THEY'LL DO ALL KINDS OF STUDIES.

THEY'LL DO ALL KINDS OF MODELING, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S UNCOMPLICATED, BUT THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD MODELING.

THERE'S X AMOUNT OF WATER HITTING 5.4 ACRES.

IT'S AT A VELOCITY OF X.

IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM? THAT MODELING WAS DONE--WE HAD IT FROM BEFORE, BUT THEN WHEN WE BOUGHT IT OR PUT IT IN A CONTRACT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, JUST SIMILAR TO YOU, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD WORK TOO.

SO YES, I WOULD SAY ALL THE APPROPRIATE MODELING HAS BEEN DONE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. SORRY I'M LATE.

I HAD BASEBALL PRACTICE.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SO, I THINK WHAT I MAY HAVE MISSED IS THERE'S A RETENTION POND THAT EXISTS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HEARD, BUT WE DID THE ENTITLEMENT ON THIS YEARS AGO.

SO WHEN WE DID THAT, WE BOUGHT A GOOD BIT OF THIS PROPERTY FROM THE CHURCH.

SO WHEN WE DID THAT, WE SECURED AN OPTION TO BUY THIS, IF IT EVER DID, AND WE SIZED THAT DETENTION POND TO ACCOMMODATE THIS ULTIMATE DRAINAGE. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HEARD.

THE OTHER THING IS, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU THAT IT ISN'T SILTED IN, YOU KNOW, AND IT AND IT HADN'T MESSED UP, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO GO IN AND MAKE THAT BE APPROPRIATE PART OF THE TESTING I GUESS.

YEAH, WE'VE DONE ALL THE TESTING TO MAKE SURE THE SIZE AND THE FLOW, BUT I HAVEN'T GONE OVER HERE AND SAID, OKAY, THERE'S FOUR FEET OF FREE BOARD.

WE HAVEN'T MEASURED.

HAS THE HAS THE POND MUDDIED UP TO WHERE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE IT, AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE ARE ALL AT LEAST HALF ACRE LOTS.

YEAH, THEY START AT 20 AND THEY GO UP TO 25.

SO, OUR SMALLEST LOTS BIGGER THAN PROBABLY YOUR BIGGEST LOT.

YEAH, I THINK MARK WHO JUST SPOKE IN MINE IN THE CORNERS ARE THE BIGGEST AT 21,000.

YEAH. SO YOU HAVE A HALF ACRE LOT NOW.

YEAH. OKAY, AND I WOULD ASSUME YOU HAVE A SIMILAR CONCERN TO HIM.

YOU DON'T WANT WINDOWS IN YOUR BACKYARD.

MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS, I MEAN, I CAN SEE THE LIGHTS FROM THE CHURCH IN MY BEDROOM, LIKE AT EYE LEVEL, AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE STREET COMING IN OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL, MY GUY IN THE MIDDLE THERE, [INAUDIBLE] HERE, THOSE LIGHTS ARE GONNA BE SHINING RIGHT INTO HIS WINDOWS WHEN THEY PULL INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

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WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY PUT UP A BRAND NEW EIGHT FOOT FENCE ALL ON THERE.

SO ONCE THAT INITIAL DEAL, WHICH I THINK WILL BE SHINING WAY, BECAUSE THERE'S 28 FEET [INAUDIBLE] ACROSS THIS.

SO WHEN YOU COME IN THIS AT THE INTERSECTION THERE AT WHITE'S CHAPEL, THOSE LIGHTS ARE GOING TO BE 28 FEET.

IF THESE ARE ALL SINGLE STOREYS, THAT MEANS THEY'RE ABOUT 26 FOOT TALL.

SO THOSE LIGHTS ARE GOING TO HIT THE TOP OF THE PEAK OF THAT ROOF, AND THEN VERY QUICKLY AS HE GOES DOWN, HE'S GOING LIKE THAT.

SO, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S NOT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM OF THAT GUY GETTING TOO MUCH LIGHT IN HIS BACKYARD.

OKAY. I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I WOULD PREFER TO SEE IS JUST A NICE RETENTION WALL SPLITTING US. YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE A WALL? I DOUBT I'M GOING TO PUT A WALL.

I WILL PUT AN EIGHT FOOT WOOD FENCE.

IF YOU LOOK A LOT OF OUR STUFF, I'VE BECOME WAY LESS OF A FAN OF WALLS AND CREATING THIS KIND OF CASTLE.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'RE ALL DIVIDED UP NOW.

I'M FINE PUTTING AN EIGHT FOOT WOOD FENCE THERE AND THEN IN ADDITION, LIKE TO YOUR THOUGHT, I'M JUST BRAINSTORMING HERE.

SURE. BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE, KIND OF ALIGNED WITH THAT FELLA THERE, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM CREATING BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THIS A LOT ON DEALS TODAY, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THERE WHERE WE MIGHT REQUIRE THREE OR FOUR LIVE OAKS WITH BIG CANOPIES.

WE COULD ASSURE THAT WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THAT'S NOT A BIG GIVE.

I MEAN, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY SEE THAT MIGHT NOT BE A BAD THING THERE.

THIS MAY NOT EVEN BE THE RIGHT FORUM, BUT I HAVE PROBABLY, THERE'S THREE PRETTY GOOD SIZED TREES AND I'M BEHIND FOUR THAT ARE LIKE PUSHING MY FENCE IN.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF SPECIES THEY ARE? ONE OF THEM I REALLY LIKE.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE ONES THAT HAS THAT LOOSE LEAF.

SO IT MIGHT BE EITHER, YEAH THE LITTLE SMALL DECIDUOUS LEAF.

IS THAT WHAT IT IS? PROBABLY A CEDAR ELM, WHICH IS CEDAR ELM IS A GREAT TREE.

IT'S A GREAT TREE. IT'S JUST, IT'S PUSHING MY FENCE IN AND NOW IT'S PUSHING LIKE, ONE OF THE POSTS.

IS IT ON OUR SIDE? YEAH. SO I TALKED TO THE PREACHER ABOUT IT ONE TIME AND HE WAS WILLING TO HE'S LIKE, I'LL PAY YOU IF YOU WANT TO CUT IT DOWN.

I WILL TELL YOU, I'M A TREE LOVER.

WE CAN GET OVER THERE AND MAKE SOME KIND OF ARRANGEMENT TO BECAUSE YOUR FENCE IS PROBABLY TEN OR 12 YEARS OLD.

WE'LL WORK WITH YOU ON FENCE.

WE'LL WORK WITH YOU ON A NEW FENCE.

WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO PUT IN A NEW ONE, AND IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR US TO HAVE TO IF WE CAN COME TO AGREEMENT AND JOG OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT AIN'T A PROBLEM BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, BOTH THE NEW OWNER THERE AND YOU REALLY MOST PEOPLE DON'T CARE WHERE THE TRUNK IS.

THEY JUST WANT THE VIEW OF THE CANOPY.

AGREED. YEAH. THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO A LOT.

WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

YEAH, I MEAN, THE EROSION UNDER THE FENCE LINE IS JUST LIKE NOW I HAVE A BUNCH OF BRICKS STACKED UP TO--WELL, LIKE I SAID, IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF YOU ALL HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF MUD, BECAUSE WHEN I WALK THIS, LIKE WHEN YOU'RE AT THE ROAD LOOKING, IT LOOKS KIND OF BRASSY, BUT WHEN YOU GET OUT THERE ON IT, IT'S DIRT.

YEAH, SO WHEN IT RAINS, YOU'RE GETTING ABOUT THE FIRST HALF INCH LAYER OF ALL THAT MUD GOING INTO YOUR BACKYARD.

OKAY, SO, I GUESS MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE LIKE, SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE THE PLANS DRAWN YET, BUT YOU DO HAVE THE ELEVATIONS.

OH, I DO HAVE THE PLANS, ACTUALLY.

CURTIS, MY PLANNER HERE.

WE HAVE THEM, BUT I DON'T HAVE THEM UP HERE.

WE'VE GOT THEM THERE, BUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS IF YOU IF YOU ALL GIVE ME YOUR EMAILS, WE'LL SEND THEM TO YOU TONIGHT.

NICE. WE'LL SEND THEM TO YOU TONIGHT, AND IF YOU EVER, YOU MAY BE REAL SMART AND YOU CAN READ THEM IF YOU WANT ME TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND WALK YOU THROUGH THEM.

I DON'T MIND DOING THAT EITHER.

MY GUESS IS THE GUY RIGHT BEHIND TO NUMBER FOUR, HE'S GOING TO BE AT THE BOTTOM STAIR STEP OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SO HE MAY NOT BE.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE'LL BE LOOKING INTO MY WINDOW OR NOT.

I JUST CAN'T CONCEPTUALIZE

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I'M WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT.

OKAY. IT'S PROBABLY REALLY HOW THE HOUSE IS POSITIONED WELL, I WILL SAY THIS, JUST LOOKING AT IT, FOUR AND FIVE, THE GARAGE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ON YOUR SIDE.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AND LOOKING AT A GARAGE DOOR.

SO ABOUT HALF OF THAT ELEVATION THERE WILL BE GARAGE.

NOW, DOES THAT MEAN THERE WON'T BE ANY TWO STORY? I'M NOT GOING TO KID YOU AROUND, I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME TWO STOREY.

THAT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THAT AROUND THE CIRCLE ON LOT NUMBER FOUR? THERE'S A LOT OF LAND THERE THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY.

YES, THAT'S FRONT YARD.

YEAH I HAVE A SIMILAR SPOT DIRECTLY BEHIND IT.

THAT'S JUST A BUNCH OF WASTED GRASS THAT COLLECTS BASKETBALLS, AS YOU PROBABLY SEE EVERY DAY.

YEAH, WELL, SEE, I'M A DAD AND I'VE HAD A BASKETBALL PLAYER, I WILL JUST TELL YOU IN OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS I DON'T RESTRICT THE INSTALLATION OF BASKETBALL GOALS AS LONG AS THEY'RE PERMANENT.

SO THE ONE THING I COULD TELL YOU COULD HAPPEN IS YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LISTEN TO A BASKETBALL BOUNCING.

IF YOU'RE A BASEBALL COACH THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A PROBLEM TO YOU.

YEAH, IT STARTS AT 6 A.M, AND DOESN'T NEVER END.

IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU CAN SEND US THE PLANS, I WILL, AND UNDERSTAND, THIS AIN'T SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE.

I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE TASKED WITH FITTING IN AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE DON'T WANT TO COME IN AND BE WEIRD ABOUT IT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, I REALLY THINK THESE HOMES WILL ENHANCE YOU ALL AND WE WON'T TRY TO--CERTAINLY, I WAS ALREADY SENSITIZED TO THE DRAINAGE.

I'M VERY SENSITIZED TO THE DRAINAGE, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT A PLAN FOR IT.

IF FOUR PUTS IN A POOL, I WONDER WHERE IT WOULD BE AND WHAT THAT DOES TO THE GROUND.

WELL, IT'LL BE IN THE BACK AND IT'LL BE IN THE BACK.

WHEN OUR POOL GOT FILLED WITH MUD AND WE JUST NOW FINALLY GOT IT BACK TO I WILL SAY THIS AT THE RISK OF GETTING MYSELF IN TROUBLE, IF WE MUD UP Y'ALL'S POOLS EVER DURING OUR PROCESS, WE'LL CLEAN THEM OUT.

WE'LL PAY FOR IT. NOW, THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN IF WE DO WHAT WE DO WELL, BUT I CAN'T PROMISE YOU IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

I THINK THAT WAS HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY'S CONCERN IS LIKE, WHAT IF WE GET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS THING AND WE'RE LIKE.

WHAT THE HECK? WHAT DO WE DO NOW? HOPEFULLY YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS THING, AND YOU GO, [EXPLETIVE], I'M GLAD THAT'S THERE.

I DON'T HAVE THE MUD IN MY BACK YARD.

NO, I MEAN SINCERELY.

I THINK THAT A LOT OF TIMES DEVELOPMENT IS A VERY POSITIVE INFLUENCE ON ITS SURROUNDINGS.

NOT ALWAYS, BUT MANY TIMES IT IS.

I THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME IN THE MORNINGS DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR .

THAT STREET IS THEY'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND THEY'RE GOING TO TURN RIGHT, AND THEN WHEN THEY GET THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, THEY'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

I THINK WHAT YOU MAY FIND IS NOW THAT THE ROAD IS BEING--IT'S NOT FINISHED YET, AND I THINK WHEN YOU SEE THAT NOW FOUR LANE ROAD WITH A TURNING DEAL, I DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT I THINK THAT ROAD IS GOING TO FUNCTION WAY BETTER THAN IT DOES TODAY.

YOU ALL HAVE BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR THREE YEARS.

YOU HAVEN'T EVER SEEN THAT ROAD FUNCTION THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO FUNCTION.

YEAH, I HAVE A SIMILAR CONCERN.

FIXING TO GO TRY TO SELL A BUNCH OF $3 MILLION HOMES, BUT I REALLY BUT I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT THE ROAD BEING FINISHED AND THEN THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE BEING FINISHED, I THINK IT'S GOING TO PERFORM A LOT BETTER THAN IT DOES RIGHT NOW.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

YEAH, THANK YOU, MAN. YES, SIR.

JUST ONE QUICK ALIBI.

ON THE FENCE, YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO PUT IN AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.

WE GOT SIX FOOT TODAY.

I'M CURIOUS, DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE REMOVING OUR SIX FOOT? I WON'T DO IT WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION, BUT I HOPE YOU WOULD ALLOW ME TO REPLACE YOUR FENCE.

LET'S ASSUME YOUR FENCE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

NO, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND THE GOOD NEWS IS I'VE GOT A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU.

WHEN WE DO A FENCE LIKE THAT WHERE YOU'VE BEEN USED TO LOOKING AT THE GOOD SIDE.

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I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THEN ON OUR SIDE, WHAT WE'LL DO INSTEAD OF HAVING THE SILVER POST EXPOSED, WILL BOX THOSE , AND NOW OUR CUSTOMERS PREFER MOST OF THE TIME THE BOX SIDE, BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? YOU HAVE THE SMOOTH SIDE TO YOU IF YOU'RE SECURITY THOUGHT.

THEY CAN'T GET OVER ON OUR SIDE FROM YOU.

I THINK IT'S VALID THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT'S THE BAD SIDE.

SO WE'VE CREATED AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THERE'S TWO GOOD SIDES.

NOW, MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN WORK COOPERATIVELY AND I HAVE A GUY THAT'S GREAT AT IT AND HE WILL GO IN THERE, LIKE LET'S SAY THAT WE'RE DOING THAT.

WE'LL TAKE THE FENCE BACKING UP TO HIS HOUSE.

WE'LL DO IT ALL IN ONE DAY, TAKE IT DOWN, PUT UP TEMPORARY, COME BACK THE NEXT DAY WE'LL SET POST, COME BACK THE NEXT DAY WE'LL TRY TO METHODICALLY DO THAT WHERE YOU ALL AIN'T OUT WITH YOUR DOGS.

YOU HAVE TO BE DOING SOMETHING WITH THEM FOR TEN DAYS OR SOMETHING, AND WE TYPICALLY WANT THAT BECAUSE YOUR FENCE IS PROBABLY AGED AND ALL THAT, PLUS WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, BUT SECONDLY, Y'ALL'S HOUSES ARE PROBABLY GREAT LOOKING IN, BUT THAT NEW FENCE REALLY KIND OF ENCAPSULATES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GIVES IT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK, BUT I HOPE THAT YOU'LL ALLOW US TO TAKE YOURS DOWN AND PUT THE NEW FENCE ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

THAT'S WHAT'S BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.

IF YOU DON'T, YOU HAVE THIS TWO FENCES WITH A NO MAN'S LAND.

I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BEHIND US ON THE OTHER SIDE.

YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WAS ALWAYS A WORRY CARD THAT ANSWERS THAT, AND THEN JUST AS FAR AS TIME FRAME, WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF START AND FINISH AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A TON OF VARIABLES IN THAT, BUT--WELL, CURRENTLY WE GO TO P&Z NEXT WEEK.

OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL BE BE IN JUNE.

IF WE GET OUR ENTITLEMENTS IN JUNE, USUALLY AFTER YOU GET YOUR ENTITLEMENTS AND YOUR APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU RUN INTO, 3 TO 5 MONTHS OF FINAL ENGINEERING.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE CITY GOES THROUGH MULTIPLE REVIEWS AND THEY MAKE SURE ALL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS SO.

MY HOPE IS THAT WE WOULD START DEVELOPMENT LATE FALL, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.

NOT TO MINIMIZE IT, BUT IT'S ONLY NINE LOTS, AND SO I HOPE THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, DELIVER THIS TO START BUILDING HOMES LATE SPRING NEXT TO APRIL OR MAY AND THEN NOT TO BE OVERLY OPTIMISTIC, I SUSPICION THERE'S GOING TO BE A PRETTY HIGH DEMAND FOR THESE AND THESE HOUSES ARE GOING TO TAKE--THEY USED TO NOT, BUT TODAY THEY TAKE ABOUT 18 TO 24 MONTHS TO BUILD.

SO WE WOULD HAVE A COMPLETED NEIGHBORHOOD IN ABOUT 30 TO 36 MONTHS.

IT SOUNDS SUCH A LONG TIME HORIZON FOR ME, BUT WELL, THE SUPPLY CHAIN THERE'S JUST STUFF THAT YOU CAN'T GET.

SO WHERE WE USED TO BUILD A HOUSE IN EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS, IT'S GOING TO TAKE THESE HOUSES PROBABLY TAKE 18 MONTHS, TWO YEARS TO BUILD.

OKAY, AND THEN JUST ONE LAST, FINAL QUESTION.

WILL YOU ALSO BE PROVIDING ROAD HAZARD FOR ANY TIRE PUNCTURES OVER THAT 36 MONTH TIME? I SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY OF MY STUFF OVER IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

OKAY, I KNOW, BUT ANYTIME THERE'S CONSTRUCTION, IT'S INEVITABLE.

SO IT'LL BE MORE THEIR ISSUE THAN OURS.

IT'S INEVITABLE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, ARE WE PERFECT? NO, BUT WE TRY REAL HARD.

I UNDERSTAND. MY CARS ALWAYS FIND THE STRAY SCREW OR NAIL IN THE ROAD.

IF YOU PULL DOWN IN HERE, YOU MIGHT DO THAT.

YEAH. OKAY, THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. YES, SIR, THERE WILL BE.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS ON THE FRONTAGE, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT TO PROVIDE A SIDEWALK ON THE FRONTAGE, I'M PRETTY SURE.

THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT COMES FROM THE SOUTH, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A SIDEWALK ON THROUGH AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT OUT AND WHEN IT HITS THE CHURCH HERE, THE CHURCH, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THEY HAVE A SIDEWALK OR NOT, BUT I KNOW WE'LL HAVE TO PUT A NEW SIDEWALK.

SOUTHLAKE DOESN'T ALLOW NEW NEIGHBORHOODS WITHOUT FULL SIDEWALKS.

JUST TO INTERJECT REAL QUICKLY, WE ACTUALLY HAD AN ONLINE QUESTION, COMMENT AROUND SIDEWALKS.

SO, JUST WANTED TO READ IT OUT TO HAVE IT ON RECORD, THEN WE CAN COVER IT.

SO THE QUESTION WAS, IS THERE GOING TO BE CONNECTED SIDEWALK ON HIGHLAND ON THIS PROPERTY TO CONNECT UP TO WHITE'S CHAPEL? THE MASTER PLAN HAS SIDEWALKS TO SCHOOLS BEING A PRIORITY.

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WE WILL PUT FULL SIDEWALK ON ALL OUR FRONTAGE AND THEN WE WILL HAVE FULL SIDEWALK INTERNALLY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, ALL OUR FRONTAGE WILL HAVE NEW SIDEWALKS.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT THIS.

A KID COULD WALK TO THE 9-10 SCHOOL.

WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER ONES? MICROPHONE FOR THE FOLKS AT HOME.

FOR LOTS ONE AND NINE, I DON'T THINK IT WILL, BUT IT COULD FACE.

WHITE'S CHAPEL. OUR PLAN IS RIGHT NOW TO PUT A MASONRY WALL ON OUR FRONTAGE.

NOW, I WILL TELL YOU, IT COULD BE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A FULL MASONRY WALL.

IT COULD BE MASONRY COLUMNS WITH IRON, BUT WE WILL HAVE AN ENTRY STRUCTURE THAT CLEARLY DENOTES ENTRANCE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, CREATING A SENSE OF ENTRY. SURE, OKAY.

YEAH, I STARTED TO THINK ABOUT HOW THE CHURCH IS GOING TO KIND OF BE SEGMENTED OFF.

WELL, WHERE WE ARE, WHERE, LOT ONE ABUTS THE CHURCH ON OUR NORTHERN BOUNDARY, THERE'LL BE THAT SAME FENCE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING ON Y'ALL, BECAUSE THAT'S A PARKING LOT RIGHT THERE BEHIND US.

THE GUY BEHIND THE LOT THREE IS GOING TO BE HAPPY.

HE'S NEVER PUT A FENCE UP.

HE NEVER HAS? WELL, THAT'S THE OLD PARSONAGE.

THAT'S THE OLD PARSONAGE.

SO SOMEBODY JUST BOUGHT THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT.

THE LOT THE LOT DIRECTLY BEHIND TO.

OH I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THREE.

THE LOT DIRECTLY BEHIND TWO, THAT'S THE OLD PARSONAGE.

SO THREE DOESN'T HAVE A FENCE.

THEN WE'LL PUT UP A FENCE.

WE'LL BE PUTTING UP A FENCE.

OKAY. COOL, THANK YOU.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. YES, SIR.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE. YES, SIR.

I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU.

WHAT'S THE I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT WAS THE CURRENT LAND USE PLAN FOR THIS? MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

IT'LL STAY MEDIUM? ARE WE HAVING TO DO A LAND USE AMENDMENT OR IS IT? A COMMUNITY FACILITY BECAUSE IT'S A CHURCH.

YES. SO THE CURRENT STATE LAND USE PLAN IS? A COMMUNITY FACILITY AND IT'S GOING TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

WHAT ABOUT THE P&Z? WHAT'S THE ZONING GOING FROM AND TO? AG TO SF? 20A? NOT MANY PEOPLE GO STRAIGHT SF-20.

SF-20A IS THE PREFERRED WAY TO GO ON THAT.

JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON FOUR AND FIVE THAT MAY HELP HERE.

IS THERE GOING TO BE STORM WATER SEWER IN THE CUL DE SAC THERE? THERE WILL BE A CURB INLET.

SO ALL THIS THIS THE STREET WILL ALSO BE A CAPTURING DEVICE AND IT'LL GO INTO A CURB INLET THAT WILL THEN FLOW INTO PIPE THAT ULTIMATELY GOES OVER HERE TO THE EXISTING.

IT'LL DO LIKE THIS, SO RIGHT HERE THERE'S A CURB INLET.

IT'LL GO HERE AND THEN THERE'S PIPING HERE TO THIS.

SO A DETENTION POND.

CAN WE TURN THIS? CAN WE USE THIS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THIS ON? PUT IT THERE, AND MAYBE WHILE HE'S LOADING THAT ONE UP, LOTS FOUR AND FIVE, WITH YOUR NEW TOPOGRAPHICAL MAPS.

WILL YOU BE RAISING I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES WITH DEVELOPMENTS, YOU'RE KIND OF PULLING DIRT FROM ONE SIDE TO ANOTHER.

WILL YOU BE RAISING THE ELEVATION OF THOSE PAD SITES? I THINK WE'LL BE LEVELING THEM OUT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE RAISING THEM.

SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS YOU'LL HAVE FOUR AND FIVE, THEN YOU'LL STEP UP TO THERE'LL BE A STEP HERE AND HERE.

THESE WILL EACH STEP UP ABOUT THREE OR FOUR FEET.

SORRY, YOU'RE NOT SHOWING ANYMORE.

OH, IS THAT NOT? OH, WE'RE ON THE OVERHEAD NOW.

OKAY, WELL, I CAN DO IT THERE.

SO TALK ABOUT THAT.

POINT THAT OUT. THERE'S A CURB INLET AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CUL DE SAC RIGHT HERE, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER THREE FOOT DRAIN HERE TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE WATER DRAIN FROM HERE, AND ALL OF THESE LOTS HAVE LATERALS THAT PICK UP IN THE BACK HERE AND ALONG HERE.

SO ALL THE DRAINAGE WILL BE UNDERGROUND AT THIS POINT, AND THAT DRAINAGE EASEMENT, IS THAT A CONCRETE SWALE OR GRASS SWALE?

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THERE'S A PIPE UNDERGROUND.

GO DOWN TO HERE AND HOOK IN WITH THE EXISTING UNDERGROUND PIPE HERE THAT WILL GO ALL THE WAY DOWN.

YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT'S ON THE BOTTOM THERE? YEAH, SO UNDERSTAND, WE'RE NOT ONLY CAPTURING THE WATER IN THE STREET; WE HAVE DRAINS IN THE BACKYARDS OF LOTS FIVE THROUGH NINE THAT THEY CAPTURE THE WATER, TAKE IT OUT INTO THAT SYSTEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

SO, THE WATER WON'T GO ACROSS NINE, EIGHT, SEVEN NO.

IT'LL BE CAPTURED UNDERGROUND.

EACH LOT WILL BE CAPTURED.

IT WILL BE TAKEN TO THE STREET.

GO DOWN THE STREET UNDERGROUND.

THAT'S THE OLD WAY. IN THE OLD DAYS, YOU LITERALLY JUST LET WATER GO [INAUDIBLE].

RIGHT. WE'RE BASICALLY TAKING THE WATER ON STARTING BACK UP TO THE WEST, CURTIS.

SO THAT LOT NINE WATER, THAT LOT WILL BE GRADED TO GO IN THAT RIGHT THERE WHERE HIS PIN IS.

SO IF IT HITS THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER, IT'LL ACTUALLY GO OUT TOWARDS THE STREET? THAT'S CORRECT. SO ALL OF THEM ARE DOING THAT AND THEN GO ACROSS THE STREET AND SHOW THOSE CURTIS ON TWO THROUGH, YEAH, THESE ALL DRAIN HERE AND THEN THERE'LL BE A CURB INLET AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STREET HERE.

SO ANY WATER THAT FALLS IN THE STREET OR GETS INTO THE STREET WILL GO DOWNHILL AND GO IN THIS CURB, IN THAT UNDERGROUND, AND THEN ANY WATER THAT DRAINS BEYOND THAT OR COMES FROM LOT FOUR DOWN HERE WILL GO UNDERGROUND IN THIS DROP INLET RIGHT HERE.

I WILL SAY THIS FOR A SMALL NINE LOT DEAL, THIS IS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE DRAINAGE.

I DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD IT. I WOULD HAVE DONE IT, BUT WHERE EVERYBODY'S ACCUSTOMED TO WATER GOING ACROSS LOTS, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU THERE WON'T BE SOME OF THAT BUT THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS KIND OF ENVIRONMENT, WHEN WE GRADE THESE LOTS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MADE TO GO TO EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL LOT DRAINS.

I WOULD IMAGINE WITH THE GRADE THOUGH, BETWEEN NINE, EIGHT, SEVEN, SIX, YOU'VE GOT RETAINING WALLS, SO IT'LL PRETTY WATERFALL-ISH IF WATER DOES GO FROM YEAH, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE MUCH.

THEY DON'T EXPECT YOU TOTALLY ISOLATE AND HAVE NO DRAINAGE, BUT WE HAVE SET UP A SYSTEM THAT AS THE HOUSES ARE BUILT, IT SHOULD CERTAINLY YOU AIN'T GONNA GET THE WATER YOU ALL ARE GETTING, NOT YOU, BUT WHERE THEY'RE GETTING A LOT OF MUD AND STUFF.

WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. WHAT ABOUT, LAST QUESTION, SORRY.

ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WILL THERE BE ANY RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE NEEDING TO BE BUILT IN ORDER TO KEEP THE WATER COMING FROM FOUR OR FIVE GOING WEST TO EAST INTO THOSE.

GO AHEAD. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A RETAINING WALL ABUTTING TO THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT TO BE HIGH.

THAT WOULD LITERALLY THEN FORCE WATER ON THEM.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT DOWN WHERE THE WATER IS DESIGNED TO GO INTO.

HERE'S THE DRAINAGE PATTERNS HERE.

SEE, THERE'S A3 AREA HERE.

THIS IS BEING SHOWN BY THE ENGINEER TO COME DOWN OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE TO THIS DRAIN.

TODAY, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE TOPOGRAPHICAL RIGHT, IT'S KIND OF COMING SOUTHEAST-ISH INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO CAPTURE THAT BEFORE IT LEAVES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CAPTURE THAT? THAT INLET RIGHT THERE BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE.

SO IF IT'S IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER, WATER HITS THERE, HOW IS THE WATER NOT GOING TO GO INTO THAT NORTHWEST PROPERTY AND THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD? HOW IS IT GOING TO START GETTING DIRECTED TO GO SOUTH? SAY THAT AGAIN. ARE YOU SAYING ON LOT FOUR? LOT FOUR IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER.

UP THERE AT THAT CORNER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CREATE WITH THE USE OF BERMING AND GRADING, THAT WATER IS GOING TO MAKE A TURN AND GET DOWN HERE BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE WITH EVEN THE EXISTING CONTOURS, WHAT IT SAYS PROPOSED THREE FOOT DROP INLET.

OH, YEAH.

YOU SEE THAT RIGHT THERE FROM THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF FOUR, THERE'S ALMOST TEN FOOT OF FALL.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING THAT WATER OUT.

THE EAST. KEEP IN MIND THAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS WE CAN'T INCREASE THE FLOW.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DECREASE THE FLOW.

SO THERE MAY BE SOME THAT CONTINUES ON THERE, BUT RIGHT NOW IT JUST COMES STRAIGHT DOWN THE HILL WITH NOTHING STOPPING IT.

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SO IT SHOULD IMPROVE.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO TAKE IT FROM KIND OF GO A SOUTHEASTERLY FLOW.

SO IF IT HITS THE BORDER OF THE PROPERTY, IT HEADS DIRECTLY SOUTH HERE, THREE FOOT DROP.

WHAT WE ACTUALLY HOPE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS.

WE HOPE ON THESE INDIVIDUAL DRAINAGE INLETS THAT YOU SEE ALL THE WAY GOING ALONG, WE CAPTURE A LOT OF WATER THERE THAT TAKES THAT INTO THE STREET.

WE ALSO HOPE THAT THE FRONT YARDS OF THESE HOMES WILL BE GOING INTO THE STREET.

SO THE STREET BECOMES, I THINK, SOMEONE USED THE TERM VIADUCT.

THE WATER WILL GO IN THERE AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE DRAINS.

TO CURTIS' POINT, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE 100% OF THE WATER'S NOT GOING TO DO SOME SURFACE, BUT RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE FREE FLOW OF WATER WITH NO CAPTURE OTHERWISE.

WE SHOULD VERY POSITIVELY IMPACT THAT WATER THAT JUST FREE FLOWS NOW.

THE GREAT INLETS THERE, DO THEY GO OUT INTO THE STREET? LIKE IS IT LIKE A CURB? NO, THEY GO OUT UNDERGROUND.

IT'S CAPTURED. IT REMAINS CAPTURED UNDERGROUND.

RIGHT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT STREET, THERE'S GOING TO BE A GIANT PIPE THAT ALL THIS STUFF GOES INTO THAT GOES WHERE YOU SEE THAT PROPOSED TEN FOOT CURB INLET DOES IT, AND THEN IT GOES OVER THERE, AND DO YOU SEE THE LINE COMING WHERE IT SAYS PROPOSED THREE FOOT DROP INLET? YES, INDEED. THAT IS THE PIPE GOING DOWN HERE, GETTING INTO THIS DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT RUNS BEHIND THERE DEAL TO THE DETENTION POND.

THANKS FOR WALKING ME THROUGH IT. SURE.

NO PROBLEM. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU.

ARE WE DONE? YEP.

I THINK WE'RE DONE. NO OTHER QUESTIONS ONLINE, SO DEFINITELY WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN SPIN.

REMEMBER, THAT SPIN REPRESENTS THE FIRST STEP IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

I THINK WE ALREADY ALLUDED TO THAT.

THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE P&Z AND COUNCIL.

SO AS ALWAYS, DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO'S INTERESTED TO PLEASE FOLLOW ALONG.

ALSO, GO ONLINE, TAKE THE SPIN EXPERIENCE SURVEY.

A SPIN MEETING REPORT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE AFTER THIS MEETING TAKES PLACE.

WE WILL INCLUDE THE SUBMITTED SPIN QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN THE MEETING REPORTS.

THE REPORTS ARE GENERAL OBSERVATIONS, NOT VERBATIM, AND AGAIN, AS ALWAYS, DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THE CASE THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS, AND THEN FINALLY, AS A NOTE, THE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE APPROXIMATELY 24 HOURS AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE.

THANK YOU AGAIN, EVERYBODY, AND HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.