Aug 04, 2022 Planning and Zoning Commission

AND THEN NOW EXCITEDLY START OUR SIGN BOARD MEETING FOR AUGUST 4TH.

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I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY CHAIRMAN OR ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THE WE'VE GOT THE MINUTES ITEM NUMBER FOUR FROM OUR JUNE 9TH MEETING.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THAT BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR IN OUR AGENDA.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. VOTE, PLEASE? PASSES SEVEN-ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

WE HAVE THREE AGENDAS FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN.

WE'LL TAKE THEM IN ORDER. ITEM FIVE IS SIGNED VARIANCE FOR SOUTH LAKE PROFESSIONAL PLAZA.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO RECEIVE APPROVAL OF AN ADDITIONAL MONUMENT SIGN ON A SIX BUILDING OFFICE COMPLEX LOCATED AT 3055 THROUGH 3081 WEST SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.

THE SIGN ORDINANCE ONLY PERMITS TWO MONUMENT SIGNS ON A SINGLE SITE IF THEY ARE AT LEAST 500 FEET APART.

THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE SITE AND SIX BUILDINGS.

[5. Administrative Comments]

THESE MONUMENTS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 200 FEET APART, NOT MEETING THAT 500 FOOT REQUIREMENT.

THIS IS A SITE EXHIBIT SHOWING THE PROPOSED MONUMENTS AND LOCATION AND DISTANCE.

[6. Chairman Comments.]

ALL OTHER ASPECTS OF THE MONUMENT SIGN DO MEET THE REGULATIONS OF THE SIGNED ORDINANCE.

IT IS A VARIANCE FOR SPACING EXISTING SITE PHOTO.

AND COMPARISON OF REGULATIONS.

[3. Consider: Appointment of the Chairman of the Planning and Zoning Commission.]

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME UP.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

AND THEN MAYBE JUST LET US KNOW WHY YOU'RE REQUESTING THE.

GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. GO AHEAD, ROBERT HYMAN.

4849 FRANKFURT ROAD APARTMENT 411 DALLAS 75287.

I PRESUME WHAT WHAT YOU'VE SEEN AND THE WAY IT'S BEEN IS PRESENTED IS AS IS REASONABLY SELF-EXPLANATORY.

THE ISSUE HERE IS THE CRESCENDO COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS MY CLIENT DESIGNS FOR THEM.

THEY'VE RECENTLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO ADD ANOTHER MONUMENT SIGN THERE, THEN PROSPECTIVE TENANTS THAT COULD LEASE IN THE FUTURE WILL NOT HAVE OR WILL NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THEIR NAME OUT FRONT ON WEST LAKE BOULEVARD, WHICH WOULD ULTIMATELY GENERATE REVENUE, TAXES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THEY WOULD LOSE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE VISION, AND ADVERTISING MEANS THAT THEY ULTIMATELY COULD HAVE.

[4. Consider: Appointment of the Vice Chairman of the Planning and Zoning Commission.]

I WILL I WILL SAY ALSO FOR THE FOR THE RECORD, AS THE GENTLEMAN STATED THIS, AS YOU GO DOWN SOUTH LIKE BOULEVARD, IF YOU GO IF YOU LOOK ACROSS AT THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS, VERY LARGE THAT ARE 162 FEET APART.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING TO DO.

THE ONLY REASON THAT'S ALLOWED IS WHEN I SPOKE WITH PATTI AT THE CITY HALL, SHE EXPLAINED TO ME THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS OF LAND ON ONE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT WAS APPROVED.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

THERE'S TWO MONUMENT SIGNS THAT 162 FEET APART BECAUSE THERE'S TWO SEPARATE PARCELS IN ONE DEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE ASKING, IN ESSENCE FOR THE SAME THING, THOUGH WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE DOING THIS ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND.

DENNIS DO YOU MIND GOING TO THE PICTURE THAT SHOWS THE SITE PLAN? MIKE JUST THE BROADER YEAH, THERE.

OKAY. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE ISSUE I GUESS YOU'RE NOTING IN TERMS OF VISIBILITY FOR SOME OF THE BUILDINGS.

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THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT RIGHT NOW IS, WITH ONE EXCEPTION, WE'RE PROPOSING TO MAKE ANOTHER MONUMENT SIGN THAT LOOKS THE SAME THAT WAY.

[10. Consider: ZA22-0028, Site Plan for 300 Parkwood Drive Medical Office Building, on property described as Lot 13R, O.W. Knight No. 899 Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 300 Parkwood Drive, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood # 9. PUBLIC HEARING]

IF FOR SOME CHANCE THE CITY WANTED US TO DESIGN SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, OF COURSE WE COULD.

BUT GENERALLY THE RULES REQUIRE THAT THE MASONRY ON THE.

NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNAGE.

SO IF OFFICE A UP IN THE FRONT 3081, IS IT GOING TO BE ON BOTH MONUMENT SIGNS? NO, I BELIEVE THE ADDRESS WOULD BE ON BOTH MONUMENT SIGNS.

BUT IN OTHER WORDS, THE THE THE MONUMENT SIGN RIGHT NOW READS 3051 TO TO 30, 81 ON TOP.

RIGHT? THE NEW SIGN WOULD READ THE EXACT SAME WAY.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BEING THE PREVIOUS SIGN WAS GRANDFATHERED IN TO WHERE THE ADDRESS LETTERS ARE NON ILLUMINATED UNDER CURRENT CODE.

AND THE DRAWING THAT WE HAVE FOR THE FOR THE PROPOSED NEW SIGN WOULD SHOW ILLUMINATED ADDRESS LETTERS ON THE TOP.

THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY DIFFERENCE PROPOSED AT THIS POINT TO TO BOTH SIDES.

BUT BASICALLY THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE SAME SIGN.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

EXCEPT THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT [INAUDIBLE] PANELS.

WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

HE'S NOT SAYING THAT HE'S GOING TO DO THAT.

IF YOU'VE GOT SIX NOW AND YOU'VE GOT SIX OFFICES, HOW WOULD HOW WOULD YOU HAVE SIX MORE? THESE WERE THESE WOULD REPRESENT THE TENANTS.

YEAH. THEY'RE SUBDIVIDED UP ALL THE MONUMENT SIDE.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

I'M SORRY. EACH MONUMENT SIGN WOULD HAVE SIX SEPARATE PANELS.

FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE CLIENTS, ONE OF THE TENANTS ON THE EXISTING PANEL IS LUNG AND SLEEP EXPERTS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

ON THE NEW MONUMENT SIGN, YOU WOULD HAVE WHATEVER.

WHILE THE SIGN ITSELF IN TERMS OF MASONRY WOULD LOOK THE SAME, THE TENANTS ON THE PANELS WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

OKAY, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

BUT YOU'RE CONFIRMING THAT THERE WILL BE NO DUPLICATION, RIGHT? IF IT'S SONIC BUSINESS ON THE SOUTH SIDE ONE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALSO ON THE NORTH SIDE ONE.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, JUST TO BE VERY CLEAR HERE, ARE WE ASKING TO PUT THE SAME NAMES OF THE SAME TENANTS ON THE OTHER SIDE? ABSOLUTELY NOT. THESE WOULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NAMES YET TO BE DETERMINED AS THE SPACE IS LEASED OUT.

DIRECTOR BAKER IS THAT ANYTHING WE CAN PUT IN A MOTION TO CODIFY OR.

YEAH, YEAH. SEE, IT'S A SIGN VARIANCE.

SO IF YOU WOULD WANT TO MAKE IT A STIPULATION, YOU COULD NOT HAVE DUPLICATION ON PANELS OF A SPECIFIC BUSINESS.

YOU CAN INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

OK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND YOU'RE GOING TO ILLUMINATE THE STREET ADDRESS.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING UNDER UNDER NEW CODE THE SIGN EXISTING THE SIGN THAT EXISTS NOW IS LEGAL BECAUSE IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN.

BUT SINCE THAT SIGN WAS BUILT THE NEW CODE AS PER AND WE HAVE IT ON THE DRAWING.

THE NEW ADDRESS LETTERS WOULD BE ILLUMINATED ON BOTH SIDES, CORRECT? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. IT WOULD KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS SIGN WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE PERMITTED THROUGH THE CITY JUST BECAUSE OF VARIANCE WAS WAS GRANTED.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S STILL WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS.

THEREFORE, THE LETTERS WOULD HAVE TO BE ELIMINATED OR IT WOULDN'T GET A PERMIT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO ONE ADDRESS, ONE MONUMENT ADDRESS WILL BE ILLUMINATED AND THE OTHER ONE WILL NOT BE.

THAT'S CORRECT. IN OTHER WORDS, THE THE LETTERS 30, 55 TO 30, 81 ON THE EXISTING SIDE WILL STAY LIKE THEY ARE.

YEAH. BUT ON THE NEW SIDE, IN ORDER TO MEET CODE AND GET IT PERMITTED, THEY HAVE TO BE ILLUMINATED.

YEAH. GOT IT.

OTHER THAN THAT, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE TWO IDENTICAL SIGNS, BUT WITH THE NEW SIGN.

AGAIN, HAVING TOTALLY DIFFERENT TENANTS THAN THE PREVIOUS.

YEAH, UNDERSTOOD.

IT'S JUST INCONSISTENT.

YEAH. THAT WAS. I WAS GONNA.

NO COMMENT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DON'T JUST UPGRADE BOTH OF THEM.

WHY DON'T YOU LIKE. WHY DON'T YOU DO THE.

WELL, THE ADDRESS ADDRESSES ON THE OLD ONE.

THE ELIMINATE THE OLD ONE.

YEAH. BECAUSE OF THE COST INVOLVED IN DOING IT, IT'S VERY, COULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE.

WELL, I KNOW, BUT YOU DON'T SEEM TO CARE.

SPEND MONEY TO PUT UP A SIGN THAT NOBODY'S GOING TO READ ANYWAY.

IS THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO RUN ELECTRICAL OUT TO IT? IS THAT THE WHEN YOU SAY IT'S EXPENSIVE ALREADY, ISN'T IT? YEAH. EXCUSE ME. WHY IS IT EXPENSIVE? EXCUSE ME. JUST SO THERE'S NO UNDERSTANDING, THE PREVIOUS SIGN IS ILLUMINATED.

THE OTHER SIGN LIGHTS UP AT NIGHT.

IT IS AN ILLUMINATED SIGN, BUT THE LETTERS ON TOP ARE WHAT WE CALL FCO'S.

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THEY DO NOT LIGHT UP, AND THAT WAS LEGAL AT THE TIME.

SO WHILE THE EXISTING SIGN IS INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED AND WILL LIGHT UP THE NAMES OF THE TENANTS, THE LETTERS ON TOP ARE NOT, BUT THEY SHOULD BE.

NO. FIRST CONSISTENCY.

THEY SHOULD BE. YES.

IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR SOMETHING YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO START WITH, IT'S LIKE, WHY WOULDN'T YOU BRING IT UP TO CURRENT CODE? I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVE WE THE THE CURRENT, THE, THE PROPOSED SIGN WOULD HAVE ILLUMINATED LETTERS ON TOP TO MEET TO GET A PERMIT RIGHT FROM THE, FROM THE CLIENT'S PERSPECTIVE, THE EXISTING SIGN IS PERMITTED AND DOESN'T HAVE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED LETTERS.

SO FROM THAT, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THE SIGNS WOULDN'T MATCH THE SIGN PANELS THAT SHOW THE BUSINESS NAME OR NOT.

AH NO. THOSE, THOSE ARE ILLUMINATED.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

WELL, THEN WHY CAN YOU NOT ILLUMINATE THE LIGHTS OFF THE SAME OF THE SAME CIRCUIT, THE SAME ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT? YOU JUST YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT..

YOU'D HAVE TO GO INSIDE THE SIGN AND THERE.

BUT THE LETTERS THEMSELVES ARE FLAT CUTOUTS.

THERE IS NO. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. GOT IT 100%.

YEAH. BUT I DON'T THINK IT COULD BE DONE.

IT PROBABLY COULD BE DONE AT A VERY EXPENSIVE PRICE.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.

THAT'S MY OPINION. CAN I ASK STAFF REAL QUICK? I GUESS, WHAT'S OUR PURVEY THIS EVENING? YEAH, YOU CAN YOU CAN PUT I MEAN, BECAUSE THIS IS A SINGLE LINE, YOU CAN MAKE A CONDITION THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE THE SIGNS CONSISTENT, THAT YOU CAN REQUIRE THOSE ADDRESSES ON THE EXISTING SIGN TO BE TO MATCH THE NEW SIGN.

IN TERMS OF BEING LIT, YOU CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL IF YOU SO WISH.

OKAY. WE'LL TOSS IT OUT TO THE CROWD HERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CAN I HAVE A QUESTION? SURE. WHAT IS WHAT'S YOUR CURRENT OCCUPANCY RATE FOR ALL SIX BUILDINGS? I DON'T KNOW. I WASN'T TOLD.

DO YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH TENANTS ALREADY TO FILL UP THIS NEW MONUMENT SIGN OR YOU DON'T KNOW? I DON'T KNOW.

OKAY. COULD WE DO THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT ON THE LETTERS AND JUST GIVE A VARIANCE SO THAT THE NEW ONE CAN MATCH THE OLD ONE? YEAH. IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT, YOU CAN ALWAYS, ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT HESITANT BECAUSE FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE, IT'S ALWAYS BETTER IF YOU HAVE ILLUMINATED LIGHTS VERSUS NON ILLUMINATING LIGHTS.

IT JUST HELPS IDENTIFY THE BUILDING.

GOTCHA. IN THE.

YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

OBVIOUSLY THE SIGNS COULD, IF THERE WAS A VARIANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO MAKE THE NEW SIGN WITH NON ILLUMINATED ADDRESS LETTERS THAN THEY WOULD MATCH.

OF COURSE WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT.

THAT'S A PRETTY BIG ASK.

I MEAN, YOU'RE ASKING FOR A MONUMENT SIGN THAT YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE PERMISSION FOR, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO UPGRADE DO A SMALL UPGRADE TO THE ONE THAT'S EXISTING TO ME.

SO TO ME IT'S YOU KNOW..

I DIDN'T SAY WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT.

I'M SAYING THERE'S A COST INVOLVED.

AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE OTHER SIGN IS LEGAL RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN, THERE'S NOT A REASON TO DO IT UNLESS THE CLIENT WANTED TO INVEST.

WE HAD TO TO GET THE VARIANCE.

IF THAT CAN BE DONE ON A ON A REASONABLE BASIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ENGINEERING WOULD AND THE EXPENSE WOULD BE IN TAKING NOW FLIGHT CUT OUT LETTERS, PUTTING NEW LETTERS IN THERE AND WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE TO THE INSIDE OF THE SIGN AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

BUT NOBODY'S SAYING THAT IT COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE DONE.

BUT YOU'RE A SIGN GUY, RIGHT? AREN'T YOU THE SIGN CONTRACTOR? YES. WELL, YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW TO DO THIS.

I MEAN, NOBODY HAS TO TELL ME HOW TO AIR CONDITION WORK.

ANYTHING CAN BE DONE.

BUT I CAN'T ESTIMATE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.

I'M NOT GOING TO ESTIMATE. I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS JUST APPROVE OR VOTE ON, I GUESS, WHATEVER WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.

AND THEY CAN OBVIOUSLY THAT'LL BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.

THEY CAN TAKE IT TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL WILL.

I AGREE. YOU KNOW, SO IS THAT KIND OF HELP BRING THIS TO A CONCLUSION? I THINK WE'RE GOOD AND WE'LL DELIBERATE UP HERE AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE PUT FORWARD AS A RECOMMENDATION.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATIONS.

YEP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT.

MY PLEASURE. SO I'LL LET THE PASSIONATE ONES UP HERE, I GUESS CRAFT WHAT THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT FOR US TO VOTE ON.

LET ME THROW ONE OUT AND SEE IF I CAN HIT BOTH OF THESE.

THAT'S WHY YOU MAKE BIG BUCKS.

THAT'S RIGHT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

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WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE DO HAVE A SECOND FROM OUR SENIOR MEMBER.

THE VOTE GOES SEVEN ZERO.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S SELF EXPLANATORY.

WHAT THAT IS, IS THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED ONLINE SO YOU CAN GO BACK LATER AND KIND OF WATCH OR LISTEN TO THE MOTIONS.

STAFF CAN HELP EXPLAIN IT AND THEN AT CITY COUNCIL YOU'LL GET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY POTENTIALLY, I GUESS, TO PRESENT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION OR WANT TO TWEAK IT SO STAFF CAN KIND OF HELP EXPLAIN THAT.

DOES THAT HELP? OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING.

OKAY. ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA, MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR USPI SOUTH LAKE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THIS REQUEST IS ON A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT WILL BE OCCUPIED BY BAYLOR SCOTT & WHITE AT 905 EAST SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.

THIS IS THE SECOND BUILDING OF A TWO BUILDING, MEDICAL OFFICE AND SERVICE COMPLEX.

THIS IS A PROPOSED SIDE EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS PLACEMENT OF BOTH UPPER AND LOWER FLOOR SIGNAGE.

AND THIS IS THE ELEVATION OR ELEVATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED UPPER STORY AND FUTURE TENANT SIGNS.

THE PROPOSAL ON THE NORTH ELEVATION CONSISTS OF A SINGLE UPPER STORY SIGN FOR THE BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE OCCUPANCY AND THEN TO FUTURE TENANT SITES ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

THE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS ARE SET UP TO ALLOW UP TO A 22 INCH SIGN IN EACH OF THESE FUTURE TENANT SPACES WITHIN THE BOXED AREA.

[11. Consider: ZA22-0029, Zoning Change and Site Plan, to include a variance to the Masonry Ordinance No. 557, as amended, for The Wheelhouse, on property described as Tracts 6C, 6C02 ,6C03, 6C01A, Jesse G. Allen Survey Abstract No. 18, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, located at 880-950 Davis Blvd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. Proposed Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #11. PUBLIC HEARING]

THIS WOULD BE FACING BACK TO THE EAST AND TOWER PLAZA DRIVE OR BOULEVARD EXCUSE ME, AND ALSO A SINGLE TENANT SIGN.

ALSO 22 INCH AND LIGHTER FITTING WITHIN THE GRAY BOX.

THESE ARE THE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS OUTLINED FOR EACH OF THESE SIGNS.

OR EXCUSE ME, THIS IS AN ADVERTISED ADDRESS SIGN WHICH IS CONFORMING TO THE CURRENT REGULATIONS, AND THIS WOULD BE LOCATED ON THE NORTH ELEVATION JUST TO THE LEFT SIDE.

THESE ARE THE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS.

THIS IS FOR THE EAST ELEVATION COMPARISON TO THE SIGN ORDINANCE.

THE LEFT COLUMN IS A PROPOSAL LETTER SIZE FOR THE BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE WOULD MATCH THE CITY'S REGULATIONS AT 22 INCHES, WITH THE LOGO BEING OVERSIZE AT 50 AND A QUARTER INCH.

THE PLACEMENT ON THESE SIGNS WILL BE SLIGHTLY OFFSET FROM THE MIDDLE 75% THAT'S REQUIRED UNDER THE SIGN ORDINANCE.

THIS IS NORTH ELEVATION.

ALSO 22 INCH LETTERS OVERSIZE LOGO AND FOR THE TENANT SIGNS WOULD FIT WITHIN THE SHADOWED BOX AREA.

AND ONCE AGAIN, EAST ELEVATION.

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THESE ARE SOME EXISTING SITE PHOTOS.

PHOTO ON THE LOWER CORNER IS EXISTING BUILDING.

SIGNAGE THAT WAS APPROVED UNDER THE MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR THE ORIGINAL BUILDING INCLUDED TWO MONUMENT SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED, ONE AT THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD AND THE OTHER AT THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE OFF OF TOWER PLAZA.

IT ALSO INCLUDED TWO UPPER STORY SIGNS FOR THE NORTH ELEVATION, ONE FOR BAYLOR, SCOTT AND WHITE, ONE FOR TOUCHSTONE IMAGING, AND THEN PERMITTED TWO FIRST FLOOR SIGNS ON THE EAST ELEVATION. THESE ARE THE REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO THOSE SIGNS.

THE BAYLOR SCOTT WHITE ALLOWED THE UPPER STORY SIGN, 22 AND ONE HALF INCH LETTERS, A 47 INCH LOGO HEIGHT, THE TOUCHSTONE, ALSO ROUGHLY 22 INCH LETTERS AND APPROXIMATELY 28 INCH LOGO HEIGHT.

THESE WERE THE SIGNS PERMITTED ON THE EAST ELEVATION.

SMALLER LETTER SIZE ON EACH OF THESE.

BUT THE ONLY ELEMENT THAT WAS OUT OF COMPLIANCE WAS ON ONE OF THE TENANT SIGNS ALLOWING A SLIGHTLY LARGER LOGO.

WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND REFER BACK TO ANY SLIDES YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.

YEAH. QUESTIONS OF DENNIS FOR NOW, I THINK DENNIS MAYBE WILL DO MAYBE A MORE PRODUCTIVE WAY TO DO THIS.

CAN WE GO THROUGH THIS WITH YOU STANDING UP THERE REAL QUICK AND JUST GET PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS AND THEN WE'LL CALL UP THE APPLICANT AND JUST KIND OF MESH TOGETHER THOUGHTS FROM THERE. AND I THINK STARTING AT THE BEGINNING, I THINK THE IS THIS THE FIRST ONE, THE EAST ELEVATION.

SO THIS ONE IS BEING PRESENTED WITH JUST THE SCOTT WHITE SIGN, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND WE'VE GOT KIND OF LOGO HEIGHT CONSIDERATIONS THERE.

CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SO THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION ALONG SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD, BAYLOR, SCOTT AND WHITE.

AND TWO TENNANT SIGNS IS WHAT'S PROPOSED, CORRECT? AND CAN YOU GO FORWARD ONE MORE.

THIS IS A TENNANT SIDE SIGN ON THE EAST ELEVATION.

THIS IS BACK TO WHAT WE SAW BEFORE.

AND IF YOU GO FORWARD AGAIN, SAME THING TENANTS ON ONE OR TWO OR THREE, I GUESS, HOWEVER WE WANT TO LABEL IT.

OKAY. CAN YOU GO FORWARD AGAIN? ONE MORE. OKAY.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT IS HOW MANY TENANT SIGNS ARE THEY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S PRESENTED.

DO THEY WANT TO REDUCE ONE OF THE SIGNS SOMEWHERE? DO THEY WANT TO LOOK AT THE SIZING OF ANY OF THE SIGNS? SO ANY THOUGHTS, COMMENTS? AND JUST TO CONFIRM THE BAYLOR SCOTT WHITE SIGNAGE RELATIVE TO THE BACK BUILDING ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

IS IT THREE INCHES DIFFERENCE? LET ME SLIDE OVER AND SEE THE LETTER HEIGHT 22 INCHES AND LOGO HEIGHT ON THIS ONE. THIS, SORRY, LET ME GET TO THE [INAUDIBLE] SLIDE HERE.

NORTH ELEVATION LETTER HEIGHT 22 INCHES.

LOGO 50 INCHES AND ON THIS ONE, IT WAS ROUGHLY 21 INCH LETTER HEIGHT AND A

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SO I MEAN, IS THE SENTIMENT WHERE YOU'RE GOING IS I MEAN, MAYBE WE CAN JUST SAY THIS IN A MOTION TO APPROVE IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S ON THE BACK BUILDING.

THAT'S RIGHT. JUST BEING CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE PRECEDENT IS.

AND I THINK WE PARK I MEAN, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE KEN OUT HERE, BUT DENNIS, I MEAN, I THINK IS THAT FAIR TO TRY TO SAY THAT'S KIND OF WE'RE LOOKING FOR CONSISTENCY THERE RELATIVE TO WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE BACK.

AND ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT'S A LONG SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, IT'S ABOUT 20 FEET FROM IT VERSUS THE OTHER ONES, 200 PLUS FEET.

SO THAT'S SIZING ON BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE.

WHAT ABOUT HERE ON THE NORTH ELEVATION I GUESS IF YOU GO BACK TENANT SIGNS ALONG SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD ONE OR TWO.

CAN I GO BACK TO BAYLOR, SCOTT & WHITE FIRST? I THINK PART OF THE REASON I'M THINKING OF WHY THEY MIGHT HAVE DONE THIS GOING FROM 47 TO 50 IS NOT A BIG DEAL.

THERE'S PROBABLY A SCALE, THOUGH, ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT BUILDING IN TERMS OF HOW THE SIGN ON THE EXISTING BUILDING FITS WITHIN THAT SPACE AS COMPARED TO THIS ONE.

AND IF THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE BRICK STONE OR WHATEVER, I'M NOT SURE I HAVE A PROBLEM GOING FROM 47 TO 50 INCHES FOR SCALE ON THAT BUILDING JUST PERSONALLY.

WELL, WE'LL MAYBE CHEW ON THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE MOTION.

NO, NO, NO. THE NUMBER OF TENANT SIZE SIGNS, NORTH ELEVATION THOUGHTS, PASSIONATE COMMENTS.

WELL, ARE THESE GOING TO BE THE ONLY TWO THAT ARE GOING TO BE PERMITTED FROM NOW ON? OR IS THIS JUST TODAY MEAN? THIS IS A MASTER SIGN PLAN.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS IT.

IT WOULD BE IT UNTIL THEY RETURN TO.

ALL RIGHT. AND WE HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT THE TWO TENANTS ARE GOING TO BE.

WE DO NOT I DON'T DON'T KNOW IF THAT APPLICANT MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION AT THIS TIME OR NOT.

DENNIS, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A MONUMENT SIGN THAT I GUESS CAN PUT THE MONUMENT SIGNS ARE ALREADY IN PLACE SO THEY CAN PUT TENANT NAMES ON THAT AS WELL. YES.

OKAY. ANY THOUGHTS? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT IN THE PAST THAT WE'VE ONLY ALLOWED ONE.

YEAH. SO I'M GOOD FOR STICKING WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO STAY AS CLOSE TO THE SIGN ORDINANCE AS WE CAN ON THE SOUTH BOULEVARD TIME.

OKAY. MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE ONE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OR ARE YOU SAYING ONE TOTAL.

IN ADDITION? YEAH. OKAY.

YEAH, I, DON'T.

HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT SEPARATION, THOUGH? WOULD YOUR PREFERENCE BE TO KEEP THEM ALIGNED ON THAT? I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE, BUT IT FEELS LIKE THE EAST SIDE LOOKING AT THIS OR HAVE ONE STAGGERED TO THE LEFT, WOULD YOU CARE? I DON'T KNOW. I MIGHT SEE IF YOU GUYS FEEL PASSIONATE.

I MIGHT ACTUALLY MAYBE GIVE THE TENANT THE OPTION THERE.

YEAH, EITHER ONE OF THEM I THINK WILL BE OKAY.

JUST ONE. THE ONE THAT.

THE ONE THAT APPEARS TO BE MORE TO THE LEFT SEEMS TO BE LIKE.

LIKE IT FITS BETTER.

YEAH. OKAY.

WELL, WE'LL SEE WHAT THE VICE CHAIRMAN CLAY..

CLAY MAKES BIG BUCKS HERE, [INAUDIBLE] ON THAT.

WELL, PROBABLY THE ONLY THING THING TO THINK ABOUT THERE.

AND WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT SIGNS BEING CONTIGUOUS TO THE SPACE THAT'S OCCUPIED.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO GET A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE AT SOME POINT IN TIME THAT SAYS, YOU TOLD ME I CAN PUT THE SIGN IN THE MIDDLE, BUT I'M TO THE LEFT.

WHAT DO I DO NOW? I DON'T HAVE A FEELING EITHER WAY.

PERHAPS WHAT WE DO IS ASK THE APPLICANT ON THIS 47 VERSUS 50 AND UNDERSTAND IF IT'S A SCALE ISSUE.

I JUST BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE WE JUST KNOW WE'LL DO THAT.

THAT'S THE ONLY RATIONALE I GET.

I THINK THIS WILL GO QUICKER IF WE JUST GET ALL OUR QUESTIONS TOGETHER, GET THEM UP HERE AND JUST RAPID FIRE AND THEN WE'VE GOT IT.

SO RATHER THAN TRY TO HAGGLE WITH MULTIPLE PARTIES, SO ANY OTHER ITEMS ON HERE? I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE I GUESS THAT'S THE WEST ELEVATION, DENNIS WITH JUST ONE TENANT SIGN ON IT OTHER THAN BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE.

EAST ELEVATION IS JUST ONE.

OH, SORRY. YEAH. LET ME GET BACK OVER THERE.

EAST ELEVATION IS JUST ONE TENANT SIGN IN ADDITION TO BAYLOR.

ANY OTHER CONCERNS? COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ON THIS NUMBER OF SIGNS? SIGN HEIGHT, SIGN AREA.

OTHER THAN SCOTT & WHITE.

OKAY. SO ONE ONE ON EAST, ONE ON NORTH, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE SAME SIZE ON BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE, OK..

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WELL, GO AHEAD AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP WHO'S HAD THE BENEFIT OF HEARING ALL THIS.

MAYBE YOU CAN COMMENT ON THE SIZE OF THE BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE SIGN AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF GO FROM THERE AND NAME ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SORRY. YES, MY NAME IS TONY HATCHELL.

I'M FROM 111 FERN AVENUE, NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE, AND I AM REPRESENTING UNITED SURGICAL PARTNERS ARE THE BUILDING DEVELOPER.

ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE RECOMMENDED TO SIGNS ON THE BUILDING FOR BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE AT THE TOP IS THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE MONUMENTS ON THE MONUMENT SIGN WAS IS ACTUALLY OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT THE BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT FIRST ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY . AND SO WE WERE CONSIDERING PEOPLE HEADING WEST UP SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, HAVING THE ABILITY TO SEE WHAT BUILDING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO.

SO THAT WAS THAT WAS ONE OF OUR CONCERNS.

AND EACH TENANT THAT WE REPRESENT ON BOTH THE NORTH ELEVATION AND THE EAST ELEVATION, WE WERE VERY CONSCIOUS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEPT THEM RELATIVE TO THE SPACE THAT THEY OCCUPIED.

SO WE MADE SURE THAT THEIR TENANT SIGNS ACTUALLY LED THEM TO DOORS THAT REPRESENTED THEIR SPACE.

AND BAYLOR SCOTT & WHITE, OF COURSE, HAS THE ENTIRE SECOND FLOOR.

SO THE SINGLE TENANT ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE TWO LOWER TENANTS HAVE MUCH SMALLER SPACE.

EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY THE LEFT OF THE PLANE THAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS ALL MECHANICAL SPACE.

SO THERE'S NO TENANT, NO TENANTS OVER TO THE LEFT AT ALL UNDER THAT BREEZEWAY.

SO EVERYTHING HAPPENS TO THE RIGHT FROM THE FIRST FLOOR.

SO AND AS FAR AS THE SIZING GOES, YES, WE KIND OF LET THE SPACE DICTATE THE SIZE OF THE LETTERS.

SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO TOO BIG.

THEY COULD HAVE WENT A LITTLE BIGGER.

BUT WE TRY TO KEEP AS CLOSE AS WE COULD AND CONSISTENT WITH THE LETTERS THAT FROM THE CURRENT TENANT THAT'S THERE NOW, BAYLOR, SCOTT AND WHITE, VISUALLY, IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT FAR APART.

SO WE DIDN'T WE WERE JUST MORE OR LESS TRYING TO LET THE LETTERS LOOK CORRECT AND PROPORTIONAL WITHIN THE CANVAS OF THE BUILDING SO. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S TWO TENANTS ON THE FIRST FLOOR IS THE REASON YOU'RE ASKING FOR TWO SIGNS FOR THAT? THAT'S CORRECT. THERE ARE TWO TENANTS ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

YES, SIR. AND ONE SINGLE TENANT UPSTAIRS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. WE NEED YOU BACK UP.

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING ALL THE WAY FROM NASHVILLE.

I GUESS HEARING THAT FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF MR. VICE CHAIRMAN HERE, PUTTING A MOTION TOGETHER.

ANY PASSIONATE THOUGHTS ON THE BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE SIGNAGE AS IS OR SHRUNK DOWN A FEW INCHES.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S OK.

IT'S THE LOGO. THAT'S THE PART THAT'S MAKING IT BIG.

AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I DON'T GET LOGOS.

I MEAN, WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT LOGO MEANS? I MEAN, NOBODY LOOKS THAT MEAN TO MAKE SURE THE LOGO IS NO BIGGER THAN THE BACK BUILDING.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T.

I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH THE EFFORT.

I KIND OF AGREE WITH DR.

SPRINGER, SO THAT COULD BE AN IDEA SINCE I DON'T HEAR ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING OUT.

AND THEN THE TENNANT SIDE SIGNS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION ONE OR TWO.

WELL, I MEAN, MY OPINION IS, SINCE HE SAYS THERE ARE GOING TO BE TWO DISTINCT TENANTS, THEY'RE GOING TO WIND UP COMING BACK IN AND ASKING FOR A VARIANCE IF WE DON'T GO AHEAD AND GRANT IT NOW. BUT I THINK THAT OUGHT TO BE THE CAP FOR ANY.

NO MORE SIGNS ON THE BUILDING AT ALL.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? FINE BY ME. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, I'M GOING TO, I GUESS JUST.

UNLESS I SEE COMMISSIONER DIKE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO LET THE VICE CHAIR ENTERTAIN A MOTION HERE AND TAKE A VOTE.

UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA.

MSP 22-00001 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 3RD, AND SPECIFICALLY NOTING THAT THE BAYLOR SCOTT & WHITE SIGNS ARE APPROVED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LOGO, WHICH THE LOGO SIZE NEEDS TO BE THE SAME AS THE BACK BUILDING OR THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, AND THEN ALSO APPROVING THE TENANT SIGNS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION AND THE EAST ELEVATION AS REQUESTED.

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DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S BACK UP, PLEASE.

AND THE MOTION PASSES SIX-ZERO.

I GUESS I JUST SAY, READY YOURSELF.

AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL, YOU'LL GET A SIMILAR LINE OF QUESTIONING IN TERMS OF WHY DO YOU NEED THIS OR THAT OR

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SO THANKS.

ALL RIGHT. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, HERE AT LITTLE AFTER 8:30 P.M., ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, LAST ONE ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

THIS IS A MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR DISTRICT 114.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2102 E.

STATE HIGHWAY 114.

THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SITE.

THIS IS A BUILDING OF VARYING PERSPECTIVES.

THIS IS A SIDE EXHIBIT IDENTIFYING ALL THE SIGNS PROPOSED UNDER THIS PLAN.

THERE ARE FOUR UPPER STORY SIGNS PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS.

UH, THIS IS THE UPPER STORY SIDE PROPOSED ON THE EAST ELEVATION CHART ON THE LOWER LEFT.

COMPARES THAT WITH THE SIGN ORDINANCE COMPARING THE IDENTIFIED AREAS THAT ARE NOT CONFORMING WITH THE SIGN ORDINANCE OR SHOWN IN RED LOGO ON THIS ONE IS APPROXIMATELY 69 AND ONE HALF INCHES AND FOR THE PERMITTED LETTER SIZE ON THIS, IT WOULD BE 41 INCHES SIGN AREA.

LIKEWISE OVER BASED ON WHAT THE TENANT'S LEAST SPACE WIDTH IS.

AND I MIGHT ADD THAT MAJORITY OF THESE UPPER STORY SIGNS ARE NOT CONGRUENT WITH THE TENANT SPACE.

SO THE SIGN AREA IS BEING COMPARED WITH TENANT LEASE SPACE VERSUS NECESSARILY THE FACADE FOR WHICH THEY'RE BEING PLACED UPON.

THIS IS A PROPOSED TEXAS SECURITY SIGN, WHICH IS AN INTERIOR WINDOW SIGN.

ANY SIGNAGE THAT'S VISIBLE FROM A WINDOW AND IS TEN FEET OR LESS FROM THAT WINDOW IS SUBJECT TO THE WINDOW SIGN PROVISIONS OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE. THE COMPLIANCE ISSUE ON THIS ONE IS ILLUMINATION.

WINDOWS SIGNS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO BE ILLUMINATED.

THIS WOULD BE A LED BACKLIT SIGN INSIDE THE BUILDING ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

OF COURSE, THIS IS A FIRST FLOOR SIGN FOR THE SAME TENANT COMPARISON OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE AS SHOWN IN RED WHERE IT IS NONCOMPLIANT.

AND THIS IS A UPPER STORY SIGN ON THE WEST ELEVATION FOR THE SAME SAME TENANT.

BUT I MIGHT NOTE THAT THERE ARE TWO LEASED SPACES FOR THIS ONE PARTICULAR TENANT.

THEY HAVE TWO SEPARATE FLOOR AREAS WITHIN THE BUILDING.

THIS IS TENANT SIGN UPPER STORY ON THIRD FLOOR ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION FACING EAST AT STATE HIGHWAY 114.

THIS IS A RESERVED PARKING SIGN PROPOSED ON THE SOUTH ROW OF PARKING ADJACENT TO THE STARBUCKS.

AND THIS IS A DIRECTIONAL SIGN.

INTERIOR OF THE SITE.

THIS WOULD BE PLACED ON A WALL AS OPPOSED TO MONUMENT, WHICH IS HOW THE SIGN ORDINANCE ADDRESSES DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE. THIS IS ALSO AN IDENTIFICATION

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JUST IDENTIFYING ENTRY INTO THE DISTRICT, 114 PLAZA AREA.

THIS IS AN INTERIOR WARNING SIGN JUST MADE PART OF THE PACKAGE.

THIS IS OTHERWISE EXEMPT UNDER THE CITY'S SIGN ORDINANCE, UNDER THE WARNING SIGN PROVISIONS.

UH, THIS IS A DIRECTIONAL SIGN ON THE WEST END OF THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY, DIRECTING PEOPLE UP, CHERRY LANE TO THE GARAGE, PARKING FOR VISITORS, ETC..

THIS IS ANOTHER DIRECTIONAL SIGN LOCATED OFF THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

AND THIS IS JUST NORTH OF THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY INTO THE PARKING GARAGE, JUST DIRECTING TRAFFIC INTO THE VISITOR PARKING AREA.

AND THIS IS THIRD SIGN ON THE CHERRY LANE FRONTAGE DIRECTING, DIRECTING TRAFFIC INTO THE NORTH DRIVEWAY OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

NOW, THIS IS A DIRECTIONAL SIGN AT THE ENTRY DRIVE OFF OF MAIN ENTRY DRIVE OFF OF STATE HIGHWAY 114, JUST GUIDING TRAFFIC TO DELIVERIES, HOTEL AND OFFICE ADDRESSES AND PARKING GARAGE.

THIS IS A COMPARISON OF THE EXISTING SIGNAGE THAT'S IN THE KIMBALL PARK DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS ON THE KIMBALL PARK BUILDING AT THE NORTH END OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE VARYING SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AS PART OF THEIR PACKAGE.

THESE ARE SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR DISTRICT 114 TO DATE.

AND SOME OTHER COMPARABLE SIGNS IN THE AREA.

CAMBRIA AND GRANITE.

WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, APPLICANT'S GOT A PRESENTATION AS WELL.

WHY DON'T WE KIND OF DO WHAT WE DID ON THE LAST ONE AND LET'S GO THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE REAL QUICK AND JUST COALESCE AROUND FEEDBACK.

DENNIS LET'S GO TO THE BACK AND LET'S DO THIS IN REVERSE ORDER BECAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE THE EASIER ONES TO PERSONALLY TO GET THROUGH AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. JUST LET'S TRY TO JUST FIND WHERE THERE MIGHT BE ANY ANXIETY.

I'M GOOD WITH K THREE.

ANYBODY ISSUES HERE? OKAY. NEXT ONE, DENNIS.

15, GOOD EVERYBODY? 14, GOOD.

SO 14, ANYONE? 13, 12, 11, TEN, NINE, EIGHT.

YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO CALL EIGHT SPECIFICALLY, BUT I'M STARTING TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE NUMBER OF BUILDING MOUNTED SIGNS OVERALL.

SO I'LL JUST OFFER THAT AS A COMMENT AS WE GO BACKWARDS THROUGH THESE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, YEAH, THIS ONE THIS ONE I THINK IS THE PRIMARY ONE ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.

SO MAYBE WE CAN COME BACK TO EIGHT IF YOU WANT.

OK, SEVEN PLEASE.

AND I GUESS THERE'S A NICE PICTURE ON THE BOTTOM, RIGHT? YOU KIND OF HELP ME GET CONTEXT FOR IT SO I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES ON THIS ONE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING.

THIS IS ON THE WEST ELEVATION.

NEXT, SIX.

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IS THAT CORRECT STAFF? SO THAT'S PART OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF THE REQUEST HERE IS..

I BELIEVE THAT'S PART OF THE APPLICANT'S THOUGHT PROCESS.

THIS IS WHERE THE GROUND FLOOR BANK SERVICES ARE AND THIS IS TO KIND OF GET THEM TO THAT ENTRY.

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SEE IF I'VE GOT PHOTOS THAT YOU GOT.

YOU COULD PROBABLY USE THE CURSOR HERE ON THE PICTURE ON THE TOP LEFT AND JUST KIND OF SHOW YOU WHERE YOU GOT THE BANK SIGN THERE THAT IS HERE AND YOU GOT THE TRINITY ONE UP TOP.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

OKAY. OKAY.

ONE AND THEN ONE ON THE FAR LEFT.

WEST. YEAH.

YEAH. ON THE BOTTOM LEFT.

PICTURE AT THE TOP.

LET'S GO BACK TO SIX.

YOU KNOW WHERE SIX IS NOW? IT'S MAYBE GO TO FIVE.

THAT'S INTO.

YEAH. OKAY, FIVE.

LET'S GO TO FOUR.

ANYTHING ON THIS ONE? THIS IS I WOULD SECOND CRAIG'S COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER'S COMMENT THAT SPECIFIC TO THIS BUT THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF BUILDING SIGNS HERE.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY ALL THIS.

I WANT TO I WANT TO JUST FOCUS ON OR WE'LL BE HERE ALL NIGHT.

SO I JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON WHICH ONES TO LASER IN ON.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE FOUR, EIGHT, I MEAN THE BUILD THE EXTERIOR BUILDING SIGNAGE.

SO GENERAL, I GOT IT.

YEAH. MY OBJECTION OR MY COMMENTS ON FOR LOGO SIZE AND LETTER SIZE IS INCONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE IN THIS PACKAGE.

AND IT'S A QUANTITY ISSUE WITH ME, BUT IT'S ALSO A CONSISTENCY ISSUE ACROSS THE PROPERTY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GO TO THREE. HMM.

UM. UM.

WELL, THAT'S VERY.

THAT'S IT. SORRY, DENNIS.

LET'S GO TO THREE. NO, NO.

THREE. IS THAT IT? IN THE NEW SIGNAGE? I THINK. OKAY, I GOT YOU.

IT'S GETTING LATE. OKAY, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE JUST GENERAL EXTERIOR BUILDING SIGNAGE SIGNS

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WAS THAT WHAT I WAS HEARING? MAYBE SIX OR FIVE.

I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE THAT ONE WAS.

SIX IS THE EXTERIOR.

THE BANK ONE IS SIX, SIX AND FIVE IS THE SIX.

INTERIOR FIVE. SO I THINK EIGHT, EIGHT, SIX, FOUR.

AND THEN I THINK THE APPLICANT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THERE MIGHT BE A CORRECTION TO WHAT'S SHOWN.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE I ASK THE APPLICANT TO GO OVER THOSE? VERY GOOD. OKAY.

ALWAYS ASK STAFF ANYTHING ONGOING.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK APPLICANT COME UP, NAME AND ADDRESS.

I THINK YOU HEARD WHERE WE WANT TO FOCUS.

MAYBE YOU CAN START OFF BY CORRECTING WHATEVER YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THOSE SMALLER SIGNS.

JEFF MEDIC 2120 CHEYENNE PARKWAY LANE, SOUTHLAKE TEXAS.

I THINK EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS MY FONDNESS FOR LONG WINDED PRESENTATIONS.

I'M WORKING ON AN 11 HOUR FLIGHT FROM EUROPE YESTERDAY AND SEVEN CUPS OF COFFEE, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S IN ANYBODY'S BEST INTEREST THAT I GO THROUGH THIS ENTIRE DECK.

THE ONLY THE ONLY REASON I SORT OF HAVE THIS IS IF WE WANT TO SORT OF GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON SOME OF THESE THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW SORT OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS LAST SIGN, BUT IF YOU THIS WAS SORT OF DUPLICATED IN THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU SAW.

SO THERE ARE TWO ENTRANCES INTO THE GARAGE.

THE FIRST ONE DIVES DOWN INTO A SORT OF SEPARATE ROUGHLY 100 SPACE GARAGE THAT'S ISOLATED FROM THE SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH LEVELS WHERE YOU ENTER IN HERE FOR THE OFFICE PARKING.

SO WE'VE SEPARATED THOSE TWO USES SO THAT RESTAURANT RETAIL GO INTO THEIR OWN SPACE AND THE TENANT PARKING IS SEPARATE.

SO IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE BY DENNIS, THESE SIGNS RIGHT HERE, THIS ONE WHICH IS AT THE FIRST ENTRANCE AND THIS ONE SHOWED TO BE THE SAME.

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MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO ON THAT ONE MR. VICE CHAIR, IT'S JUST NOTE IN THE MOTION THAT D 14 AND D 15 WILL LET THE APPLICANT EDIT THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS SHOWN.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WORDING AND IN TERMS OF A MOTION TO MOVE, THAT COULD BE MY FAULT WHEN I GAVE YOU THE PRESENTATION, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.

I THINK THE REST OF IT BASICALLY EIGHT, SIX AND FOUR IN TERMS OF JUST SIGNS SIZE.

SO THE FIRST THING I WANT TO ADDRESS IS DENNIS ACTUALLY DID MAKE ONE SORT OF MISTAKE.

HE SAID THAT THERE WERE FOUR UPPER STORY SIGNS.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY ONLY THREE FURY ATHLETICS, TRINITY INVESTORS AND TEXAS SECURITY BANK.

SO TO SORT OF ADDRESS THE COMMENT ABOUT HOW MANY SIGNS THERE ARE HERE, I HAVE, I THINK, PROVEN OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS WHEN IT COMES TO SIGNAGE. I'M VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE SIGNAGE ON MY BUILDINGS.

THEY'RE ALL REVERSE ILLUMINATED.

I DON'T REALLY ALLOW A WHOLE LOT OF CRAZY SORT OF STUFF GOING ON ON MY SIGNS.

THE OFFICE OF KIMBLE PARK HAS EXACTLY THREE.

EXACTLY WHAT DISTRICT? WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, FOR DISTRICT 114.

THE OFFICE OF KIMBLE PARK HAS KELLER WILLIAMS ON ONE FACADE AND C.H.

ROBINSON ON ON THE EAST AND THEN FOODS ON THE WEST.

THIS BUILDING, IT'LL BE VERY HARD FOR YOU TO EVEN SEE MORE THAN ONE SIGN FROM ANY VANTAGE POINT ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.

IT'S JUST FOR THE INVESTORS.

THE SOUTH ELEVATION ON THE EAST IS FURY ATHLETICS AND ON THE WEST IS TEXAS SECURITY BANK.

THAT'S IT. SO I I'M NOT SURE.

COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER, YOU SAID YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THESE SIGNS UP THERE.

CAN YOU SORT OF ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WHAT THE CONCERN IS, GIVEN THE SORT OF HISTORY WITH THE OFFICES OF KIMBLE PARK? IT WASN'T LIMITED JEFF TO THE UPPER STORY SIGNS.

IT'S LIMITED TO THE TOTALITY OF THE SIGNS, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE ALREADY FOUR SIGNS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT BUILDING.

THE I'M SORRY, SAY IT AGAIN.

I BELIEVE THERE ARE FOUR SIGNS ALREADY ON THE NORTH SIDE ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT BUILDING.

WE DON'T THERE'S NOT A NORTH ELEVATION.

SOUTH SIDE, SOUTH SIDE, THE OTHER THE OTHER NORTH IT IS LATE.

I'M SORRY. YEAH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A DISK FOR STARBUCKS, THEN THERE'S ROOTS AND WATER WINE, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE NOW.

THIS IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH SOUTH LAKE TOWN SQUARE.

THIS IS I BELIEVE THIS IS THE ONLY BUILDING IN ALL OF SOUTH LAKE THAT IS ROUGHLY 100,000 SQUARE FOOT MIXED USE BUILDING WITH THIS MANY VARYING USES.

SO THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR IS RESTAURANT RETAIL.

I MEAN, THERE'S THERE'S AN EXPECTATION WE HAVE TO HAVE SIGNAGE FOR A BANK, FOR A WINE CLUB, FOR A STARBUCKS.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM. RIGHT.

SO I HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN VERY BLESSED.

WE'VE GOT ROUGHLY 70,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE IN THIS BUILDING, AND WE HAVE NINE TENANTS.

IS IT SO WE HAVE ROUGHLY DO THE MATH, ABOUT 8000 SQUARE FEET PER TENANT.

THE OFFICE OF KIMBLE PARK IS 112,000 SQUARE FEET AND WE HAVE 12/10.

SO IT'S VERY CLOSE TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET.

IF YOU LOOK AT AT GRANITE, THEY HAVE I MEAN, OUR SMALLEST TENANT IS 4500 SQUARE FEET IN EITHER BUILDING.

OTHER THAN MY OFFICE.. I FEEL LIKE I MEAN, ANOTHER COMP IS WE LITERALLY JUST VOTED ON A BUILDING MUCH SMALLER THAN THIS AND PUT FIVE BIG SIGNS ON IT.

SO I MEAN, I GUESS I CAN UNDERSTAND THE THAT DIALOG ABOUT MAYBE SHRINKING A SIGN DOWN OR A LOGO DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

BUT SO I'VE BEEN I MEAN, STAFF CAN TELL YOU I HATE THESE BUILDINGS WHEN THEY LOOK LIKE THAT.

THEY LOOK LIKE BIG BILLBOARDS.

BUT I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS ONE.

I REALLY DON'T WANT MORE THAN ONE ON AN UPPER FLOOR.

AND IT'S GREAT FOR US BECAUSE WE HAVE ON THAT UPPER LEVEL.

I MEAN WE ONLY ON THE WEST SIDE OR EAST SIDE, WE ONLY HAVE ONE TENANT THAT'S FURY ATHLETICS.

SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANOTHER SIGN ON THE ON THE EAST SIDE.

AND THEN TRINITY INVESTORS IS 21,000 SQUARE FEET.

THERE IS NO OTHER TENANT ON THE UPPER STORY FACING STATE HIGHWAY 114.

SO I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE NEXT TIME DEVELOPERS GOING TO COME IN HERE WHEN THERE'S ANOTHER TENANT.

ALL MY TENANTS ARE SEVEN.

THEY HAVE SIGNS ARE SEVEN YEARS OR LONGER.

SO UNLESS ONE OF THESE TENANTS DEFAULTS, YOU WON'T BE SEEING ME ASKING FOR AN UPPER LEVEL SIGN IN THIS BUILDING.

AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT SORT OF CHOPPED THESE BUILDINGS UP INTO 2500 SQUARE FOOT SPEC SPACES.

THESE ARE ALL HIGH END, SUPER CUSTOM, STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL SPACES THAT THESE FOLKS ARE PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT INTO.

GETTING BACK TO THE FURY ATHLETIC SIGN, THOUGH, I THINK THAT'S SORT OF ONE TO SORT OF TOUCH ON WHY THIS SIGN IS WHAT IT IS.

IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT SMALLER THAN TRINITY INVESTORS.

THE SIGN BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS LOGO, WE'VE TRADEMARKED THIS LOGO.

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SO WE COULDN'T JUST MAKE ATHLETICS REALLY SMALL.

IT HAD TO BE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH FOR TO VIEW IT.

SO WHAT'S DRIVING THIS SIGN AND NOT THE WIDTH? THE WIDTH I THINK IS FINE.

THE OVERALL HEIGHT IS TO MAKE ATHLETICS ACTUALLY READABLE, AND IF WE REDUCE THE SIGN AND MAKE IT SMALLER, ATHLETICS BECOMES UNREADABLE.

AND WE, QUITE FRANKLY, RUN THE RISK THAT THE AMUSEMENT PARK HEROINES IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA, COMES AFTER US, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU SEE IS FURY.

AND BY THE WAY, THEY DO OWN THE RIGHTS TO FURY.

IT'S A ROLLER COASTER IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA.

SO I CAN'T REALLY GO MUCH SMALLER THAN THAT BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN'T READ ATHLETICS AND THEN JUST FURY'S IN YOUR FACE.

AND THAT WOULD BE THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THAT SIZE.

AND THIS LOGO IS, IS TRADEMARKED.

EVERY ELEMENT OF THIS IS TRADEMARKED.

I CAN'T REDUCE THE SIZE OF ONE THING VERSUS THE OTHER BECAUSE IT IS EXACTLY THAT.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, SORRY.

WHAT ABOUT NUMBER D FIVE, THE ILLUMINATED LED SIGN? IT'S SIX FEET, FROM THE WINDOW.

WHAT'S UP WITH THAT ONE? THIS IS ACTUALLY IN OUR LOBBY AND THIS IS ACROSS THE LOBBY FROM AN ENTRANCE THAT WE HAVE FOR STARBUCKS.

THEY'RE THE ONLY TWO TENANTS ON THE RETAIL SIDE THAT HAVE DIRECT LOBBY ACCESS.

THE WINDOW IS RIGHT OVER HERE.

THERE'S A WALL HERE AND THEN THE SIGN STARTS.

SO THE ORDINANCE SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE AN ILLUMINATED SIGN.

THIS IS THIS IS REVERSE LIT.

SO IT DOES SORT OF LIGHT UP FROM BEHIND, BUT FROM BEHIND OR SORT OF UNDERNEATH.

AND THE ORDINANCE SAYS TEN FEET.

WELL, THAT TEN FEET STARTS RIGHT ABOUT HERE.

SO THE FIRST THIS THE EDGE OF THE TEE IS ABOUT EIGHT FEET FROM THE WINDOW.

SO ABOUT TWO FEET OF THAT SIGN WILL BE ILLUMINATED AND WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM IF YOU WERE WALKING OUTSIDE.

BUT I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY TO RESTRICT THE LIGHT ON THAT SIGN TO SHUT OFF AT A CERTAIN TIME, IF THAT'S IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT IT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT CLEAR IN THE IN OUR PACKAGE HERE WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THAT WHERE WE'RE GOING.

BUT THIS WAS TRYING TO KEEP THE BEER SIGNS OUT OF THE WINDOWS OF ALL THE STORES UP AND DOWN THE STREET.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO AVOID.

ONE OTHER THING I DID WANT TO LET YOU KNOW IS BY THE TIME HOPEFULLY WE THIS PASSES THIS EVENING, THE SIGN FOR TRINITY INVESTORS, IT SAYS 60 FEET FIVE INCHES.

UPON FURTHER REVIEW, I, I WASN'T REALLY HAPPY AS I STARTED TO REALLY SORT OF LOOK AT THIS IN THE LENGTH OF THE SIGNS, A LOT OF LETTERS, WHICH MAKES IT REALLY LONG.

I IN MY DECK THAT I SENT OVER THIS AFTERNOON, I WANT TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE WIDTH OF THAT SIGN TO 55 FEET AND UPDATE IT TO ONLY 148 SQUARE FEET.

I JUST THOUGHT THAT IT JUST LOOKED TOO BULKY AND THE MORE I LOOKED AT IT, THIS WAS A TENANT REQUEST AND I JUST CAN'T GET COMFORTABLE WITH 60 FEET FIVE INCHES.

SO I AGREED WITH HIM OR I ASKED HIM TO AGREE WITH ME TO GO TO 55.

SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE NOTE THAT IN THE MOTION CHANGE THAT WE'LL NOTE THAT ON AND THAT WOULD END UP LINING UP WITH THIS WINDOW RIGHT HERE INSTEAD OF BLEEDING OUT IN THE SORT OF WANT TO SORT OF KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, AT THE EDGES OF THOSE WINDOWS. COULD YOU CLARIFY FOR ME? I KNOW YOU SAID THAT FURY ATHLETICS IS SMALLER THAN TRINITY, BUT YOU'RE TALKING JUST ABOUT THE WORD FURY, THE WIDTH THAT IF YOU IF YOU LOOK ON THE BUILDING, TRINITY INVESTORS TAKES UP 55 NOW AND NOW 55 WAS 60 FEET WIDE.

I MEAN, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT PORTION.

I MEAN, IT'S VERY LONG.

RIGHT. AND THE AREA OF THIS SIGN IS EVEN AT 148, YOU KNOW, ON GO BACK.

MY QUESTION WASN'T WIDTH, IT WAS HEIGHT BECAUSE WHERE I'M STILL STRUGGLING AND YOU'VE HEARD IT A COUPLE OF TIMES IS THE 69 AND ONE HALF INCH LOGO HEIGHT FOR THAT SIGN, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO KEEP THE CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA PEOPLE OUT OF HERE.

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AND WHEN YOU MADE THIS, I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR STATEMENT THEN THAT IT WAS SMALLER, WIDTH WISE.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE REFERRING TO THE HEIGHT.

NO, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE TRINITY INVESTORS, IT'S A IT'S A ONE ROW SIGN.

WE HAVE TWO.

SO WE HAVE WE HAVE TO SORT OF SQUEEZE IN FURY ATHLETICS, KEEPING IN MIND THAT I CAN'T REDUCE THE SIZE OF ATHLETICS ANY ANY MORE OR IT WON'T BE VISIBLE.

IT'S ALREADY REALLY SMALL, YOU KNOW, AND IT'LL BE VERY I MEAN, IT JUST WON'T BE EASY BECAUSE, I MEAN, THIS IS INTERNAL AND THE ROAD GOES DIRECTLY BELOW THIS THIS SIGN.

SO REALLY, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WILL REALLY BE ABLE TO SEE THIS ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON STATE HIGHWAY 114 FRONTAGE.

AND THE ATHLETICS IS THE SMALLEST THAT IT CAN BE TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT READABLE AT ABOUT THIS BIG.

SO ONE MORE QUESTION.

SURE. SINCE I MISCOUNTED THE SIGNS ON THE NOW SOUTH SIDE, NOT THE NORTH SIDE.

AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S THREE? CLARIFY FOR ME IN YOUR REQUEST HERE, HOW MANY SIGNS ARE YOU LOOKING AT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS AND THE BEASTS THAT ARE ON THAT LEVEL? ARE YOU LOOKING AT THAT? I'M LOOKING AT SIX THE WAY I SEE IF I CAN SORT OF SHOW YOU HERE.

ALL RIGHT. SO OVER HERE IS ROOTS AND WATER WINE.

THEY TAKE THIS SORT OF FROM HERE TO PANELS OF GLASS ALL THE WAY OVER.

THAT'S DONE.

THERE'S ONE MORE TENANT SPACE HERE THAT IS UNLEASED.

THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS LEASED EXCEPT FOR TWO SPACES.

SO JUST SORT OF PUT YOUR MIND AT EASE.

THERE'S ONE MORE SPACE THAT WILL BE IN THIS ZONE THEN THE NOW IS HERE.

THE REASON WHY THIS SIGN IS SHIFTED BECAUSE THE TEXAS SECURITY BANK TAKES UP THIS ENTIRE 62 FEET.

I WANTED TO SEPARATE AND THEY DID TOO, THEIR FRONT ENTRANCE TO THEIR RETAIL BANK IS RIGHT HERE.

SO THEY PUT THAT SIGN DIRECTLY ABOVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE BANK.

AND IF THEY HAD PUT IT IN THE CENTER OF THEIR SPACE, IT WOULD HAVE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SORT OF TOO CLOSE TO THE NOW.

AND WE JUST DIDN'T WANT CONFUSION.

SO THERE WON'T BE A SIGN HERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE TEXAS SECURITY LEASE BANK SPACE.

SO, ONE, THERE WILL BE A SECOND, RIGHT? TWO, THREE, FOUR, AND THEN THE DISK.

AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE IS A DISK.

AND THEN THE OTHER LEASE SPACE THAT STILL REMAINS VACANT.

YOU'RE WELCOME. OTHER QUESTIONS.

MR. VICE CHAIR, I GUESS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO CAPTURE HERE, WE'VE GOT CORRECTIONS ON SIGNS D 14/15 IN TERMS OF THE WORDING ON THOSE SIGNS, YEAH, JUST BE 15, 14 [INAUDIBLE] D 15.

SO WE'LL MAYBE ALLOW ON THE MOTION FOR AMENDMENT OF THAT FOR THE COUNCIL POTENTIAL COUNCIL REVIEW, THERE WAS A TRINITY INVESTOR SIGN WHICH IS BEING SIZED DOWN TO 55, 50 FEET.

YES, SIR. YEAH.

AND THEN I GUESS COMMISSIONERS WHAT OTHER AM I MISSING? SO TOSS THEM IN HERE.

I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I ASKED FOR JUSTIFICATION AND THE APPLICANT PROVIDED IT.

I'M GOOD WITH THIS.

OKAY. OTHER THOUGHTS, COMMENTS, ANY.

I THINK WE KIND OF HIT ON SOME OF THE EXTERIOR SIGNAGE.

AND SO I GUESS BARRING NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA, MSP 22-0002 SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 3RD, 2022, AND NOTING THAT ITEM NUMBER D8 IN THE SIGN PACKAGE THAT APPROVAL IS MODIFIED TO REFLECT THE APPLICANT'S DESIRE TO CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE TRINITY INVESTORS SIGN TO 55 INCHES AND EXCUSE ME, 55 FEET AND THEN 148 SQUARE FEET.

AND THEN ALSO NOTING WITH RESPECT TO SIGN D 15, THE PARKING GARAGE DIRECTIONAL SIGN THAT THE APPLICANT WILL CHANGE THE WORDING ON THAT BASED ON MISTAKE THAT WAS INCLUDED WITHIN OUR PACKET.

WE HAVE A MOTION. IF YOU HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, WE GOT A SECOND.

OK, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE AND MOTION PASSES SEVEN-ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK AT CITY COUNCIL AND WITH THAT AT 9 A.M.

AND 3 SECONDS WE WILL ADJOURN OR 9:00 PM.

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