Aug 09, 2022 SPIN Town Hall Forum

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GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

[1. Call to Order: Video Introduction of SPIN Program by Southlake Mayor John Huffman]

THE PURPOSE OF SPIN IS TO GAIN FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS ON DEVELOPMENT RELATED PROJECTS AND OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY.

I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT SPIN IS JUST AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND NO VOTES WILL BE TAKEN TONIGHT.

THE MEETING WILL BE STREAMED LIVE THROUGH SOUTH LAKE TV ON SOUTH LAKE'S MAIN WEBSITE, CITYOFSOUTH LAKE.COM.

AFTER OUR APPLICANT PRESENTATIONS, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS CAN USE THE MICROPHONES IN THE AISLES FOR THE Q&A PORTION OF THE MEETING.

NOW WE WILL SHOW A BRIEF VIDEO INTRODUCTION OF THE SPIN PROGRAM BY SOUTHLAKE MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN.

GOOD EVENING, I'M SOUTH LAKE MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT'S SPIN TOWN HALL FORUM.

THE ITEMS PRESENTED AT SPIN REPRESENT IDEAS, OFTEN IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.

NOW, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THIS CONVERSATION STARTS HERE FIRST WITH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WITH YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPER.

THERE ARE NO VOTES TAKEN AT SPIN AND NO DECISIONS ARE MADE.

SPIN IS SIMPLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE.

ONCE THE MEETING IS OVER, BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ARE PROVIDED WITH A SPIN MEETING REPORT THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE DISCUSSION FROM TONIGHT. WE TAKE YOUR IMPRESSIONS AND QUESTIONS INTO ACCOUNT WHEN CONSIDERING ANY ITEM THAT COMES BEFORE US FURTHER ALONG IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION TO HELPING MAKE SOUTH LAKE A BETTER PLACE.

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. [MUSIC] FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT AND MIGHT BE WATCHING THROUGH OUR STREAM LIVE SOUTH LAKE TV, WE DO HAVE A QUESTION AND COMMENT FORM FOR YOU TO FILL OUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OR PROVIDE A COMMENT OR CONCERN.

I WILL CHECK THOSE THROUGHOUT THE MEETING THROUGH MY EMAIL.

SO YOU'RE HAPPY TO SUBMIT THOSE THROUGH OUR SPIN WEB PAGE? AND AGAIN, IF YOU ARE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT AND HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT, PLEASE USE THE MICROPHONES IN THE AISLE SO THAT PEOPLE AT HOME CAN HEAR YOU AS WELL.

[2. SPIN2022-17-An applicant is proposing a mixed-use development with one-acre residential lots and single-story retail and office spaces located at 1835 Shady Oaks Dr. within SPIN Neighborhood #1.]

BRANDT BARHAM IS HERE TO PRESENT THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS SPIN 2022-17.

AN APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH ONE ACRE RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND SINGLE STORY RETAIL AND OFFICE SPACES LOCATED AT 1835 SHADY OAKS DRIVE.

HEY, GUYS. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD, GOOD. SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON KIND OF WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.

I WORK WITH RESPACE AND WE FOCUS ON KIND OF DOING INFILL DEVELOPMENTS AROUND DFW.

AND WE ALSO DO KIND OF SOME LARGER SCALE DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL.

BUT WE LIKE TO FOCUS ON THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF WOULD BE THE KIND OF A WIN WIN FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY BANKROLLING THE INVESTMENT.

SO BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT A CHARITY.

SO THIS SITE, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AS A FUTURE USE IS ZONED AS OFFICE COMMERCIAL, WHICH WILL PERMIT FOR A MID-RISE, WHICH YOU GO UP TO SIX STORY BUILDING ON 114.

SO THE ZONING THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE FOR THIS LAND WOULD BE THE SAME ZONING THAT'S IN PLACE WHERE THE GRANITE BUILDING IS JUST DOWN THE ROAD AND WHICH IS A GREAT USE FOR BEYOND 114.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S AN IDEAL USE WHEN YOU'RE BACK INTO A STATE LOTS THAT ARE TWO ACRES AND THREE ACRES IN SIZE.

SO AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THIS AREA WOULD WANT THAT.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AN IDEAL USE THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THIS SITE, THAT WOULD KIND OF MAXIMIZE THE KIND OF THE VALUE FOR SOUTHLAKE, BUT ALSO BE A GOOD ASSET LIKE, YOU KNOW, MIXING SOME RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME SINGLE STORY OFFICE AND RETAIL.

WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE BEST USE FOR THIS LAND.

SO OUR INITIAL CONCEPT FOR THE PLAN FOR THIS SITE WAS TO UTILIZE SHADY OAKS ROAD AS A, THE ENTRANCE POINT FOR THESE ONE ACRE LOTS.

THAT WOULD BE 136.

AGAIN, THIS IS AN INITIAL CONCEPT.

WE WERE JUST SPIT BALLING, SO TWO 136 WIDE BY 320 FOOT DEPTH AND MAKE IT WHERE IT WAS KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, A HEALTHY SIZE, BUT NOT LIKE SO BIG THAT IT MAKES THE DEVELOPMENT NOT POSSIBLE.

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AND THE SINGLE STORY OFFICE WOULD BE MOSTLY LIKE LOCAL CPAS, ATTORNEYS, PEOPLE THAT WERE LOOKING FOR AN OFFICE FOR THEMSELVES AND WANTED TO OWN THEIR OWN OFFICE VERSUS LEASING SOMETHING OUT OF A BUILDING SOMEWHERE.

SO THIS BACKSIDE WOULD BE COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED FROM THE REST OF SHADY OAKS, SO IT WOULD BE ITS OWN SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT, ONLY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE 114 SERVICE ROAD AND THE ONE ACRE LOTS OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE THERE WOULD BE A BUFFER BETWEEN THOSE LIKE A GREEN SPACE BUFFER SO THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE HOMES COULD ACTUALLY GET SOME SOME PRIVACY AS WELL.

THIS WOULD ALSO BE GOOD FOR CREATING A NO NOISE BARRIER FOR ANYBODY THAT'S LIVING CLOSE TO 114.

SO I THINK THIS COULD BE A WIN WIN FOR EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVES IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO THIS THIS LAND.

SO FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY, WE WERE LOOKING LIKE THIS IS KIND OF WHERE THE INTENTION WOULD BE TO HAVE NO STREET PARKING WHATSOEVER.

SO WHATEVER WAS BEING BUILT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A MOTOR COURT OR DRIVE THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR GUEST PARKING AND THEN IT WOULD BE ALL YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY GUIDELINES FOR ESTHETICS FOR BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE FACING SHADY SHORES OR SHADY OAKS.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS KIND OF A TO MAINTAIN THAT BEAUTIFUL LIKE CURB APPEAL AND NOT HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, COOKIE CUTTER, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUT.

AND KEEP IN MIND, ALL THESE LOTS WOULD BE SELLING.

THE LOTS ALONE ARE GOING TO BE WORTH ABOUT $1.2 MILLION.

SO WHATEVER HOUSE IS GOING TO BE BUILT HERE ARE GOING TO BE AT LEAST THREE AND A HALF TO $5 MILLION HOMES.

FOR THE RETAIL OFFICE COMPONENT.

WE'RE THINKING SOMETHING KIND OF LIKE UPSCALE, MODERN.

YOU KNOW, THAT IS A YOU COULD HAVE IT KIND OF LOOK, MAYBE A RETAIL LOOK, BUT IT MAY BE LIKE A LIKE A MORTGAGE COMPANY OR A TITLE OFFICE, CPA ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, MAYBE EVEN LIKE HAVE SOME DOCTOR'S OFFICE COMPONENT IN THERE AS WELL AND THEN HAVE SOME SUPPORTING RETAIL LIKE LIKE COFFEE SHOP, FEDEX, KINKO'S, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND AGAIN, WE THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE ONLY WANT TO DO ONE STORY HERE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN DO THAT.

THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT LOOKING AT A BIG BUILDING AT THE BACK OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE OR THEIR BACKYARD.

WELL, THAT'S ABOUT IT.

SO IT'S PRETTY I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE CONCEPT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE VALUABLE TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING OR HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE SHOULD EXECUTE ON IT, WE'D BE OPEN TO HEAR IT.

OKAY. I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.

IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION OR COMMENT, YOU CAN MAKE YOUR WAY UP TO THE MICROPHONE.

SOMEBODY'S BACK BEHIND. AND IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU CAN QUEUE IN THE AISLE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO AS WELL.

HI. SORRY.

I DO LIVE ON SHADY OAKS DRIVE, AND I'M SURPRISED THAT THE CITY WOULD ALLOW THAT MANY NEW DRIVEWAYS.

AND HOW MANY LOTS ARE THERE? 1, 2, EIGHT TOTAL.

EIGHT. BECAUSE THAT WOULD CONFLICT WITH WHAT IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IN THAT AREA.

TYPICALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS YOU HAVE A DRIVE ENTRANCE AND HAVE MULTIPLE HOMES ON OFF OF ONE STREET.

OK. SO I WOULD BE SURPRISED THAT THE CITY WOULD ALLOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

THE COMMENT YOU MADE AT THE VERY BEGINNING ABOUT HAVING A SIX STORY BUILDING.

MAYOR HILL, WHEN THE BANK CAME IN, SPECIFICALLY INDICATED THAT NO BUILDINGS ALONG THAT AREA WOULD BE ANY HIGHER THAN THE BANK BUILDING.

AND THE BANK HAD A PROBLEM THAT THEY HAD TO COMPLY WITH.

OKAY. SO IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT YOU'LL GET APPROVAL FOR SIX STORY BUILDINGS THERE AND.

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I THINK THERE'S WE HAVE ANOTHER CONCEPT THAT ISN'T HERE, BUT WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE IF YOU SEE MY CURSOR, IS MY CURSOR UP THERE.

SO IF YOU HAVE LIKE A, LIKE A DRIVE COMING THIS WAY AND THEN COMING INTO A ESSENTIALLY LIKE A, YOU HAVE A 50 FOOT OR A 55 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY COMING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THIS AND YOU HAVE ONE ACRE LOTS LIKE FIVE ONE ACRE LOTS HERE AND FIVE ONE ACRE LOTS HERE WITHIN A SMALLER RETAIL COMMERCIAL COMPONENT OVER HERE.

AND THAT WOULD MAKE IT TO WHERE THIS NO DRIVEWAYS ON SHADY OAKS AT ALL.

BUT YOU WOULD STILL MAINTAIN THE GREEN LINE AT THIS POINT HERE? WELL, IN ALL HONESTY, THIS IS MY BIGGEST FEAR, IS THAT YOU COME IN AND YOU PRESENT SOME LOVELY PHOTOGRAPHS AND EVERYONE SAYS, OH, HOW NICE.

AND THEN CHANGE EVERYTHING.

THE BAIT AND SWITCH. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN MANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY.

YEAH. WHERE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ONE ACRE LOTS AND THEN THEY'RE NOT.

AND I THINK YOU RUN INTO PROBLEMS FINANCIALLY.

RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT WHEN I MET WITH DENNIS UPSTAIRS YESTERDAY AND WE KIND OF TALK THROUGH IT AND WE COULD ALWAYS LIKE WHATEVER WE PROPOSE WOULD HAVE VERY SPECIFIC LIKE REQUIREMENTS LIKE, LIKE TO YOUR POINT, LIKE THE SIZE OF THE LOT, SPECIFICATIONS FOR LIKE THE SETBACKS AND HOW THE IF THERE HAS TO BE A FENCE AROUND IT, IF IT HAS TO HAVE LIKE A CERTAIN SIZE MOTOR COURT IN THE FRONT FOR GUEST PARKING, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, IT CAN BE SPECIFIED IN THERE AS PART OF IT SO THAT WHEN IT'S VOTED ON, IT'S NOT JUST YOU'RE NOT JUST VOTING ON LIKE A BLANKET ONE ACRE LOTS, BUT YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC USE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE MAYBE FOR ESTHETICS OR EVEN FOR LIKE THE PARKING SITUATION.

LIKE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYBODY EVER PARKING ON SHADY OAKS.

SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHOEVER HAS HOMES ON HERE IS GOING TO HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING INSIDE THE FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY VERSUS LIKE HAVING A SO ALL THAT STUFF I THINK WOULD BE SPELLED OUT IN THE SP OR BASICALLY ESSENTIALLY LIKE A PD THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO KIND OF DESCRIBE EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THAT.

YEAH, I KNOW DENNIS KEY HOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE..

THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER POINT THAT THE DRAINAGE ON SHADY OAKS IS PROBLEMATIC HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC SINCE COVENTRY WAS BUILT. I'VE BEEN IN SOUTH LAKE FOR 26 YEARS, SO I KNOW THAT THE DRAINAGE COMING DOWN FROM HIGHLAND AND TURNBERRY IS PROBLEMATIC.

AND THERE'S A CREEK, AND THE CREEK THAT RUNS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

YEAH, IT COMES RIGHT RIGHT ALONG HERE.

YEAH, IT COMES ACROSS IN A COUPLE OF PLACES.

IT'S ON ONE SIDE OF SHADY OAKS, MEANDERS OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF SHADY OAKS AND THEN MEANDERS BACK TO THE WEST SIDE.

I JUST POINT THAT OUT.

YEAH. YEAH, I THINK THERE ARE DRAINAGE ISSUES TO BE CONSIDERED.

YEAH, WE WERE THINKING ABOUT ON THESE TO DO LIKE A AT LEAST A 50 FOOT SETBACK MINIMUM.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT WITH A 320 FOOT LOT DEPTH, YOU'D HAVE THE ABILITY TO SET THE HOUSE BACK QUITE A BIT.

AND BECAUSE IF YOU WERE TRYING TO POSITION YOUR HOUSE, KIND OF BE IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR LOT, YOU'D PROBABLY BE CLOSE TO 100 FEET BACK.

SO I THINK THAT'S I THINK THE GOAL FOR THE LOOK ON THESE HOUSES WOULD BE TO KIND OF HAVE LIKE ALMOST LIKE MINI ESTATES, SO TO SPEAK.

YOU WERE THE KIND OF LIKE THEY HAVE THAT SETBACK LOOK.

WELL, THAT'S THAT'S THE LOOK ON ON THAT PART OF SHADY OAKS.

YEAH. I GUESS I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS IS THAT I HOPE YOU DON'T COME UP WITH A PLAN AND THEN CHANGE IT.

OH, NO. YEAH, YEAH.

I'M LIKE. I MEAN, IF ANYTHING, LIKE, LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO EVER DO ANYTHING THAT'S.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY WOULD EVER APPROVE ANYTHING UNLESS WE WE GIVE THEM, LIKE, VERY, VERY SPECIFIC, LIKE, REQUIREMENTS.

WELL THE BANK WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A STONE WALL AND SOMEHOW THEY CHANGE IT.

THEY DON'T. OH, WOW.

AND SO IT'S LEAVES A BAD TASTE IN EVERYBODY'S.

OH, NO. AND ONCE SOMETHING GETS APPROVED, I SAY THIS TO THE CITY.

ONCE SOMETHING GETS APPROVED, THE PEOPLE STOP PAYING ATTENTION.

RIGHT. AND THEN THINGS HAPPEN THAT ARE UNEXPECTED.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. YEAH, THAT'S, UM, I THINK WITH THIS, THE, IT'S KIND OF A IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE THE, THE

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LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE TO LIKE KNOW, LIKE ANYBODY WHO HAS $4 MILLION OR $5 MILLION TO SPEND IS GOING TO NOT WANT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE CRAPPY, SO TO SPEAK.

SO WELL, THAT'S A NOISY AREA.

IT'S VERY CLOSE TO 114.

YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S, UM, I THINK THAT THE, I'VE, I'VE BEEN SURPRISED BY SOME OF THE LOTS I'VE SEEN TRADE NEARBY IN NOISIER AREAS AND STILL FETCH $1.2 MILLION FOR AN ACRE LOT.

AND I'M LIKE, I MEAN THIS IS LIKE SUPERIOR IN COMPARISON AND IT'D BE A FANTASTIC I THINK THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPEAL TO THE WHOLE MARKET. YOU KNOW, THIS MAY ONLY APPEAL TO 25% OF THE MARKET BECAUSE OF THE NOISE, BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL YOU'LL NEED TO GET EIGHT PEOPLE TO MOVE HERE BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND A LOT RIGHT NOW IN SOUTHLAKE.

WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER PIECE OF THE OTHER FIVE ACRES THAT'S ON THIS PIECE UP HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE? YEAH. YEAH. SO WE I WAS TALKING TO REBECCA, THE LANDOWNER, AND SHE WAS SAYING THAT THAT LANDOWNER IS ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN SELLING IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY APPROACHED THEM YET BECAUSE WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT.

SO, I MEAN, HE'S INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING.

I THINK IT COULD BE A GOOD COLLABORATION BECAUSE I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING THIS SIDE, I MIGHT AS WELL DEVELOP THAT SIDE TOO.

SO I'M GOING TO TALK TO THEM AND SEE LIKE KIND OF WHAT HE HAD IN MIND FOR THE FOR HIS LAND.

AND IF HE MAYBE WANTS TO DO A COLLABORATIVE DEVELOPMENT OR IF HE WANTS TO SELL OFF THE LAND.

THE AND YOU SAID IT'S ZONED FUTURE ZONED, BUT IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURE.

SO FUTURE ZONE B OFFICE COMMERCIAL, THEY SAID IT'D BE ANYTHING THAT'S LIKE MID-RISE UP TO MID-RISE.

I MEAN, YOU COULD JUST DO ALL SINGLE STORY OFFICE THERE.

BUT I THINK THE MAIN ISSUE WITH IT IS TO DO LIKE ANY KIND OF LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO LIKE ALL STRAIGHT OFFICE OR ALL STREET RETAIL, IT'S HARD TO MAKE IT WORK BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE CLOSE TO OTHER OFFICE AND OTHER RETAIL THAT COULD SUPPORT IT.

AND IN THIS SECTION OF SOUTHLAKE, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY OTHER RETAIL OR OFFICE IMMEDIATELY NEARBY.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THIS HAS BEEN SITTING FOR A LONG TIME, LIKE A LOT OF MIXED USE DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN COMING IN TRYING TO PUT MULTIFAMILY AND TOWNHOMES ON HERE AND..

THAT WON'T WORK. I KNOW. YEAH.

YEAH. SO LIKE, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF A OF LIKE THE LAND'S PRICE AND BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S PRICED FOR A MID-RISE CONSTRUCTION.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE TAKE THAT PRICE AND DO SOMETHING ELSE WHERE IT COULD STILL BE PROFITABLE.

BUT IT WOULD BE WAY MORE, YOU KNOW, BE WAY MORE APPEALING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT MOSTLY IT'S LIKE TO MAKE IT EVEN TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE.

NOW, IF THE LAND WAS LIKE HALF THE PRICE WE WERE BUYING IT, IT COULD DO WHATEVER.

I MEAN, WE COULD PUT FOUR ACRES STATE LOTS THERE WOULD WOULDN'T MATTER.

BUT I THINK BECAUSE THE LAND IS SO EXPENSIVE, IT'S LIKE WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH HOW YOU EXECUTE ON IT.

OTHERWISE IT COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO BELLY UP.

MAYBE YOU WAIT A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THE PRICE WILL COME DOWN.

THANK YOU. MY PLEASURE.

THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM? I LIVE IN A SUBDIVISION RIGHT DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT AND WE ARE 18 HOMES ON A SMALL SUBDIVISION.

WE ONLY HAVE ONE ACCESS OFF OF SHADY OAKS.

SO I GUESS IT'S DOABLE TO I GUESS IT WOULD BE A BETTER AND SAFER IDEA TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF ACCESS BECAUSE THE WAY WE HAVE A DESIGN EVERY 100 FOOT RIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ACCESS AND A MAILBOX, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN SHADY OAKS, I DON'T THINK YOU SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE NEW ONE.

BUT I KNOW THE LADY EARLIER ASKED YOU THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ACCESS.

SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WORK IT? YEAH, YOU'RE KIND OF I MEAN, I DIDN'T HEAR BACK IN THE ANSWER.

I JUST HEARD. YES.

SO ON THE. SO IF WE HAD OUR WAY, HONESTLY, WE WOULD PROBABLY WOULD RATHER PUT AN ACCESS POINT HERE AND PUT NO ACCESS POINTS ON SHADY OAKS. BUT IT WOULD WHAT WOULD END UP HAPPENING IS WE WOULD END UP GETTING MORE RESIDENTIAL, STILL HAVE ONE ACRE LOTS, BUT IT WOULD COME DOWN FROM YOUR YOU SEE MY OH YOU CAN'T SEE MY HAND UP THERE.

OKAY. YEAH. SO YOU GOT, IF WE HAVE A STREET SO BASICALLY TURN IN FROM A PIER AND THEN HAVE A STREET COMING DOWN THE MIDDLE AND THEN HAVING LOTS LIKE NOT THEY WOULDN'T BE THIS DEEP, THEY'D BE MORE SQUARE SHAPED, SO THEY'D PROBABLY BE ABOUT 200 FOOT WIDTH AND THEY WOULD BE ABOUT 200 AND

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AND THESE WOULD BE WITH ABOUT 50 TO 50 FOOT LIKE A 55 FOOT RIGHT AWAY DOWN THE MIDDLE AND A CUL DE SAC AT THE VERY END RIGHT OVER HERE.

SO THAT WOULD GIVE YOU ABOUT TEN HOUSES THAT ARE ALL ONE ACRE.

WE WOULD HAVE A LOT LESS COMMERCIAL AT THAT POINT, WHICH FOR US IT WOULD BE FINE BECAUSE THE REAL WIN FOR US IS MORE RESIDENTIAL.

AND THE REASON WE PUT THIS TOGETHER LIKE THIS WAS BECAUSE SOUTHLAKE REALLY WANTED TO HAVE AN OFFICE HERE.

AND SO I WAS TRYING TO PRESERVE THE OFFICE PART OF IT AS LIKE AS MUCH AS I COULD.

BUT IF THE SOUTHLAKE WAS OKAY WITH US GIVING, GETTING MORE RESIDENTIAL AND PUTTING LESS OFFICE, I WOULD MUCH RATHER DO THAT AGAIN.

I FEEL LIKE, I DIDN'T GET MY ANSWER.

HOW MANY ACCESS ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE OF SHADY OAKS? JUST ONE. JUST ONE.

YEAH. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE ACCESS OFF SHADY OAKS.

YEAH. NICE.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF NOISE BARRIER.

OH, I KNOW THERE IS A CITY CODE THAT YOU GOT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF BUFFER AND A YEAH.

SO THE BARRIER BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

SO WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING TO HAVE THERE SO DIRECTLY SORT OF THE SUBJECT.

SO IT'S DIRECTLY SOUTH.

SO THE AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS FOR PROTECTING AGAINST NOISE IS THE TREES ALREADY ARE A GOOD PROTECTION.

LIKE WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE TREE BORDER ON SHADY OAKS AS WELL AS ON FOX GLEN DOWN HERE.

AND IF WE HAVE TO, I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME KIND OF A MASONRY WALL, SOME KIND OF A STONE WALL SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE..

AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUFFER, OF COURSE, SET BACK AT 50, 75.

WELL, YEAH. I MEAN, WE WANT TO LIKE WE HAVE TO I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF LIKE I THINK AT THIS IT'S GOING TO BE ALL KIND OF NEGOTIABLE WITH LIKE WITH WITH THE CITY ONCE AND WHAT WE CAN DO LIKE BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S IT'S GOT TO BE A GIVE AND TAKE ON LIKE BETWEEN WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WANT AND WHAT THE CITY WANTS AND WHAT THE DEVELOPERS CAN ACTUALLY DO.

BECAUSE LIKE, IF WE DO LIKE A 50 FOOT BUFFER OR LIKE 70 FOOT BUFFER, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE PAID IT, YOU KNOW, $2 MILLION FOR THAT BUFFER, YOU KNOW.

SO IT'S LIKE IT'S KIND OF LIKE, CAN WE AFFORD TO PAY $2 MILLION FOR A BUFFER AND THEN STILL MAKE THE PROJECT WORK? BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T, YEAH..

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EVEN THE ONLY BUFFER WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THE EXISTING TREES.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU EVEN KEEP THEM IN A 75 FOOT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK YOU WON'T HAVE TO PLAN NO MORE TREES.

JUST KEEP THE TREES. THAT'S WHERE THEY AT.

YEAH. I THINK IF WE KEEP THE TREES WHERE THEY'RE AT, LIKE KIND OF ALONG THE, THE PROPERTY LINES I THINK, AND THEN ADD IN ON TOP OF THAT, A WALL, THEN WALL AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ACTUAL JUST HAVING THE BUILDINGS.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE AN EMPTY ROOM AND YOU THROW IN A RUG OR TWO IMMEDIATELY, LIKE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DEADENS OF SOUND.

SAME THING IS TRUE WITH LIKE THESE SINGLE STORY OFFICES.

ALL THE SOUND IS GOING TO HAVE TO PASS THROUGH THESE OFFICES BEFORE IT GETS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT WILL MAKE IT MUCH QUIETER.

YEAH, AND THE LAST IS THE LADY MENTIONED EARLIER WE GOT SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES, OF COURSE.

AND I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A DRAIN STUDY THERE.

BUT WHAT I WANT TO STATE HERE TONIGHT IS YOU MUST INCLUDE THE TWO ACRE REMAINING CELLAR LOSS INTO THE DRAINAGE STUDY.

BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE HAVE A HUGE WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE WITH THEM FOR 20 YEARS.

THEY HAVE A DRIVER EVERY TIME IT RAINS.

I MEAN, WE HAVE LIKE 0.01 INCH OF RAIN.

GO SEE HALF OF THE DRIVEWAYS IN THE STREET.

WOW. SO THEY THEY NEED TO INCLUDE THAT INTO YOUR DRAINAGE STUDY SO THEY COULD CORRECT THAT, POSSIBLY BUILD THEM A DRIVEWAY OR SOME SORT OF TRAP.

SO STOP THE GRAVEL, GET ON THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S VERY DANGEROUS.

YOU KNOW, OUR KIDS GO GET ON A BUS.

MY OWN SON, YOU KNOW, MANY YEARS AGO, HE FELL A FEW TIMES BECAUSE IT'S A GRAVEL.

SOMETIMES I HAVE TO GRAB A BROOM AND BROOM THE CITY STREET BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I MEAN, NOT MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE HERE TONIGHT, BUT THEY'LL BE HERE WHENEVER THE HEARING IS IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL.

AND THAT WILL BE A HUGE, BIG SUBJECT.

SO THEY EVEN KNOW IT, BUT IGNORED FOR MANY YEARS.

AND I MEAN, IT COULD BE A HUGE WIN, TOO, IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT TO WHERE THAT DRAINAGE ISSUE GETS FIXED COMPLETELY.

YEAH, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO DO A STUDY ANYWAY.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU'RE GOING TO DO A STUDY.

I FORGOT ABOUT 40 ACRES IF YOU DO A 40 ACRE STUDY INCLUDE THE TWO ACRE.

42 ACRE. YEAH.

AND JUST SHOW THEM WHERE THE WATER GOES.

YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

OF COURSE. MY PLEASURE.

I LIVE ON SHADY OAKS ALSO, AND A 20 YEAR RESIDENT OF SOUTHLAKE.

AND YOU WERE MENTIONING IF YOU PUT THE IF YOU DON'T HAVE DRIVEWAY ACCESS ON SOUTHLAKE, I MEAN, ON SHADY OAKS, WHERE WOULD YOU

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YOU SAID YOU'D HAVE MORE HOUSES THEN SO YEAH.

SO THE WAY THIS IS DRAWN RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE 136 WITH AND THEN 320 FOOT DEPTH.

AND IF WE WERE TO WANT TO PUT THE LOTS LIKE BASICALLY THROUGH AND MOVE THAT DRIVEWAY OVER HERE WHERE WE'D END UP HAVING TO DO IS MAKE ALL THE LOTS BASICALLY SIGNIFICANTLY WIDER, LIKE 50% WIDER AND MAKE THEM MORE SHALLOW.

SO THE LINE WOULD PROBABLY COME TO ABOUT THIS WOULD BE THE FRONT OF THE LOT RIGHT HERE AND THEN IT WOULD JUST BE MUCH WIDER.

SO IT'D BE MORE OF A SQUARE SHAPED LOT AND THEN WE'D HAVE ABOUT A 50 TO 55 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, GOING DOWN THE MIDDLE WITH A CUL DE SAC DOWN HERE, AND THEN ADDITION AND THEN MORE LOTS COMING UP THIS WAY.

SO YOU'D HAVE ONE ACRE LOTS, FIVE, ONE ACRE, LOTS COMING THIS WAY, FIVE GOING THIS WAY.

SO INSTEAD OF RECTANGLES YOU'D HAVE SQUARES AND THEY WOULD LEND TO A NICE KIND OF MORE LIKE WIDE ESTATE KIND OF HOUSE. I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY APPEALING AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT YOU COULD BUILD THERE.

AND THEN YOU'D ONLY HAVE THIS SINGLE POINT LIKE DRIVEWAY RIGHT HERE, KIND OF LIKE THIS DRIVEWAY DOWN HERE.

YOU'D HAVE A DRIVEWAY COMING OVER HERE AND THEN TURNING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT HERE.

AND THEN IT WOULD NOT CONTINUE ON TO 114.

SO THIS WOULD NOT CONNECT.

IT WOULD LITERALLY JUST STOP RIGHT THERE.

MY MAILBOX AND TRASH COLLECTIONS ON THE STREET.

AND IF CARS ARE FLYING UP AND DOWN SOUTH LAKE EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT AND GOING BOTH WAYS, I'M IN DANGER.

YEAH. JUST TO GET MY MAIL.

AND SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ADDING MORE HOUSES TO THE THAT ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING ON SHADY OAKS.

YEAH, WE WERE KIND OF TRYING TO DO THE STUDY OURSELVES LIKE SO IF WE DID IT THIS WAY, LET'S SAY YOU ADDED TEN HOUSES, THAT'D BE ABOUT A TOTAL OF 40 OCCUPANTS TOTAL. THAT COULD BE COMING AND GOING.

THEN YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT OF A SINGLE STORY LOW DENSITY OFFICE COMMERCIAL WE'RE COMPARING IT TO IF YOU WERE TO JUST DO LIKE AN OFFICE PARK IN GENERAL, EVEN IF IT'S A TWO STORY OR A THREE STOREY, YOU'RE GOING TO ADD THIS SITE CAN ACCOMMODATE 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE.

AND BASED ON MY CALCULATIONS, THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN 608 HUNDRED WORKERS COMING AND GOING EVERY DAY.

AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT SHADY OAKS WOULD BE UTILIZED BY SOME OF THEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW HOW GPS IS, THEY'RE GOING TO ROUTE YOU AROUND THE SHORTEST PATH? AND SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE LESS IMPACT IF WE WERE TO PUT THIS VERSUS IF WE WERE TO PUT LIKE A 200,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, EVEN REGARDLESS OF THE HEIGHT, BECAUSE YOU COULD DO 200,000 OR TWO STORIES OR 200,000 OR FOUR STORIES, IT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME RESULT.

WE'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING MORE TRAFFIC.

THIS WOULD BE MUCH LESS PEOPLE COMING AND GOING ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS.

AND IT WOULD BE A PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'D JUST BE IT'D BE BETTER, I THINK, CAUSE YOU'LL END UP BECAUSE 40 OF THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE ACTUAL RESIDENTS WHO PAID QUITE A BIT TO BE THERE.

SO I THINK THEY'D PROBABLY BE GOOD, GOOD TRAFFIC TO HAVE.

ARE YOU COMMITTED TO HAVING ALL COMMERCIAL ACCESS JUST ON THE 114 ACCESS ROAD? YES, SIR. I THINK I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT ANYBODY ON SHADY OAKS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE COMMERCIAL.

IF YOU DO THE SINGLE ACCESS FOR THE HOMES.

ARE YOU ARE YOU DEFINITELY GOING TO DO IT ON THE NORTH SIDE OR COULD IT BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OR IT DEFINITELY.

WELL, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE NORTH SIDE ONLY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE THERE'S REALLY NOT LIKE A LIKE A PLACE THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO GET AN EASEMENT FROM THE SELLER WHO'S ON THE LAND RIGHT HERE ACROSS HER PROPERTY.

AND WHICH MEANS I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'D BE BECAUSE SHE'S ALREADY HAVING TO EXPAND HER LOT AN EXTRA 55 FOOT.

SO SHE'S RIGHT NOW, I THINK AT ONE ACRE, BUT SHE'S WIDENING HER LOT BY 55 FEET AND MAKING IT DEEPER TOO.

SO TO GET TO THE TWO ACRE MARK.

SO I DON'T THINK WE COULD TAKE ANY MORE LAND FROM HER AND STILL MAINTAIN HER, YOU KNOW, HER TWO ACRES.

SO WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO GO ON THE NORTH SIDE.

WOULD YOU BE PURCHASING MORE LAND ON THE NORTH SIDE? IF THE SELLERS IF YOU'RE NOT PURCHASING MORE LAND ON THE NORTH SIDE, IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF LAND FOR THE THE ACCESS ROAD, WHETHER IT'S ON THE NORTH OR SOUTH SIDE.

OH YEAH. SO I THINK IF THE SELLER WOULD BE WILLING TO LET US BUY SOME OF HER LAND, I GUESS IT WOULDN'T REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW ACTUALLY IT WOULD MAKE MUCH MORE, MUCH MORE SENSE TO HAVE IT COME FROM THE NORTH SIDE ONLY BECAUSE OF THE LOT LENDS ITSELF BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO

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SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY BE THE TURNAROUND WOULD BE ABOUT THIS BIG.

AND SO IF WE TRY TO DO A TURNAROUND UP HERE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY SPACE FOR HOUSES.

SO I THINK THE TURNAROUND WOULD HAVE TO BE DOWN HERE FOR THE REBUILDING THE HOUSES FIRST OR THE COMMERCIAL SIDE FIRST.

OH, HOUSES FIRST, FOR SURE.

BECAUSE IT'S WELL, I MEAN, AS FAR AS DEMAND GOES, I THINK THE DEMAND THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND RIGHT NOW FOR FOR NEW CONSTRUCTIONS IN SOUTHLAKE AND IN COMMERCIAL JUST TENDS TO MOVE A LITTLE SLOWER THAN THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.

IF YOU DO THE HOUSING SIDE FIRST, WOULD YOU BE HAVING ACCESS TO THAT WITH YOUR CONCRETE TRUCKS AND CONSTRUCTION ALL FROM THE 114 SIDE OR FROM THE SOUTH, SOUTH LAKE SIDE OR BOTH? YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO, LIKE MAYBE SOME KIND OF A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION ACCESS FROM 114.

I HAVE TO TALK TO SOUTHLAKE ABOUT THAT AND SEE IF..

THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE TO BECAUSE YEAH IF WE COULD GET SOME OF IT LOOK LIKE A CONSTRUCTION ON THE ACCESS POINT JUST FOR THE FOR MANAGING AND DOING ALL THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR ALL THE DEVELOPMENT WORK THAT WOULD GO INTO IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE, BUT I THINK ONCE ALL THE STREETS AND EVERYTHING ARE POURED IN AND EVERYTHING IS THERE, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY GO BACK TO LIKE BUSINESS AS USUAL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE POURING A LOT OF CONCRETE.

THE ONLY THING AT THAT POINT THEY'LL BE POURING IS LIKE A SLAB, WHICH WOULD BE JUST LIKE A SINGLE CONCRETE TRUCK.

WHENEVER YOU BRING IT TO THE CITY AND THE NEXT CHANCE WE GET TO REVIEW IT.

WILL THAT, WILL YOU HAVE FINAL PLANS ON ALL THOSE STEPS.

YES. SO I'M GOING TO HAVE LIKE I THINK AFTER TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE ENGINEERS AND BASICALLY REDRAW THE MAP TO WHERE IT CAN HAVE IT WITHOUT SHADY OAKS ACCESS AND HAVE IT WHERE WE COULD MAYBE EVEN SHOW LIKE A POTENTIAL FOR CONSTRUCTION ACCESS AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT APPROVED WITH THE CITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH TXDOT TOO, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK WITH THE IF THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE US DO LIKE A DECELERATION LINE AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT.

OKAY, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT ACCESS AND DRAINAGE.

THOSE WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE MEETING REPORT CREATED FOR TONIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE I CLOSE THIS ITEM FOR THE EVENING? I ALSO DID NOT RECEIVE ANY ONLINE FORMS. I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM MR. JAMES WEBER THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO THE APPLICANT THAT HE IS OPPOSED TO RETAIL ALONG SHADY OAKS DRIVE.

SO THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE ALL OFFICE? I WOULD BELIEVE SO.

IT JUST STATED. OH, YOU MEAN ON SHADY OAKS? ON SHADY OAKS. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY PLEASURE. THANK YOU, GUYS.

I APPRECIATE IT. WE DO HAVE ONE MORE ITEM THIS EVENING.

[3. SPIN2022-18 - The City of Southlake is proposing an ordinance for post-construction stormwater maintenance.]

THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE IS PROPOSING AN ORDINANCE FOR POST-CONSTRUCTION STORM WATER MAINTENANCE.

GOOD EVENING. I'M MANDY CLARK.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF WATER RESOURCES FOR TEAGUE, NALL AND PERKINS.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING AS A CONSULTANT FOR THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE FOR THIS POST CONSTRUCTION, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT. SO TONIGHT I WAS GOING TO GO JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S INCLUDED WHY THESE DOCUMENTS ARE REQUIRED, WHAT THE DEFINITION, SOME DEFINITIONS FROM WITHIN THEM AND THEN GO OVER THE ORDINANCE AND THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT SEPARATELY.

SO BOTTOM LINE OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT ARE IF A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY IS CONSTRUCTED, THEN IT SHOULD BE OPERATED AND MAINTAINED PROPERLY.

THAT'S KIND OF THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE ORDINANCE.

SO A STORM WATER FACILITY, WE'RE LARGELY TALKING ABOUT DETENTION, RETENTION PONDS AND FACILITIES TO HANDLE STORM WATER RUNOFF.

SO WHY ARE THEY REQUIRED? THEY'RE REQUIRED BY STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

ULTIMATELY, THEY'RE MANAGED BY THE NATIONAL POLLUTANT DISCHARGE AND ELIMINATION SYSTEM.

THE MPD IS THAT'S MANAGED THROUGH THE EPA.

THEY'VE DELEGATED THAT AUTHORITY TO THE TEXAS POLLUTANT DISCHARGE AND ELIMINATION SYSTEM THAT IS MANAGED THROUGH THE TCEQ, WHO IN TURN HAS DELEGATED LARGE PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY TO CITIES THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLANS.

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THE TCEQ APPROVES IT.

WE'RE CURRENTLY ON THE 2019 THROUGH 2024 REVIEW CYCLE OF THE PERMIT IT'S REVIEWED EVERY YEAR.

THE ACTIVITIES THAT THE CITY DOES ARE REVIEWED EVERY YEAR AND A REPORT IS PROVIDED TO TCEQ.

THE PRIMARY COMPONENTS WITHIN THE STORMWATER PERMIT ARE CALLED MINIMUM CONTROL MEASURES AND THEY INVOLVE THINGS SUCH AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BLUE BOX, PUBLIC EDUCATION AND OUTREACH, ILLICIT DISCHARGE IS WHERE SOMEBODY MIGHT BE DIRECTLY POLLUTING A CREEK OR A ROAD OR SOMETHING.

CONSTRUCTION SITE RUNOFF.

SO WHEN YOU DRIVE PAST A CONSTRUCTION SITE AND YOU SEE SILT FENCE AND CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCES, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.

TONIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE POST-CONSTRUCTION STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND NEW DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S THE TOPIC FOR THIS EVENING.

AND THEN THE LAST MINIMUM CONTROL MEASURE IS KIND OF GOOD HOUSEKEEPING FOR THE CITY'S OPERATIONS.

SO THE MINIMUM CONTROL MEASURE FOR IS POST-CONSTRUCTION, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND NEW DEVELOPMENT.

SO THIS IS RELATED TO ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT BUILDS A STORMWATER DETENTION, RETENTION FACILITY, EARTHEN CHANNEL, ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES ONGOING MANAGEMENT.

IT CONTROLS STORMWATER DISCHARGES FOR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT FOR MORE THAN ONE ACRE, AND IT REQUIRES AN ORDINANCE TO REGULATE THE PROGRAM.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.

AND THEN THE LAST THREE BULLET POINTS ARE ABOUT THE DESIGN IMPLEMENTATION MAINTENANCE, LONG TERM MAINTENANCE OF THOSE FACILITIES AND ANY OTHER OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES.

SO A COUPLE OF DEFINITIONS.

IF I SAY MS4 I'LL TRY NOT TO BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD DESCRIPTOR.

THAT IS THE MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORM SEWER SYSTEM.

THAT'S YOUR STORM DRAIN SYSTEM.

AND THE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM IS COMPRISED OF ANY INLETS, PIPES, CHANNELS, CREEKS, STREETS, PONDS, ANYTHING THAT CONVEYS STORM WATER FROM A SITE TO TO A CREEK, ANYTHING THAT DISCHARGES INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

SO FROM THE ORDINANCE, THE TERMS CONTROL MEASURES OR BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES ARE USED BNPS AND THAT'S BASICALLY JUST ANYTHING THAT IS EITHER DONE, ANY ACTIVITY OR ANY PHYSICAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS DONE TO PREVENT STORMWATER POLLUTION.

SO IN SOUTH LAKE, GENERALLY, STORMWATER IS CONTROLLED THROUGH STORMWATER DETENTION AND RETENTION FACILITIES.

SO WHEN TO TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, FIRST, IT REFERS TO THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE POLICY.

SO IT DOESN'T PROVIDE DESIGN GUIDANCE.

IT REFERS TO THE CITY'S ALREADY EXISTING POLICIES FOR DESIGN, BUT IT IS MORE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THOSE FACILITIES ARE INSTALLED.

SO A LOT OF TIMES STORMWATER DETENTION IS KIND OF OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND THING.

AND SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE REGULATIONS IN PLACE THAT ENSURE ONGOING MAINTENANCE SO IT CONTAINS INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS MONTH AT LEAST SEMIANNUALLY AND ANNUALLY A REQUIREMENT FOR A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE PLAN.

AND THEN THE NORMAL ENFORCEMENT PENALTIES AND THE ABILITY TO SUSPEND SERVICE FOR NONCOMPLIANCE.

SO WHO DOES IT IMPACT NEW DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT GREATER THAN ONE ACRE? SO IT DOES NOT APPLY TO EXISTING SITES.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO APPROACH ANY BUSINESS WITHIN OR WITHIN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AND TELL THEM THEY'VE GOT TO NOW CREATE A MAINTENANCE PLAN.

BUT IF THEY REDEVELOP THAT, IT WILL BEGIN TO APPLY TO THEM IF IT'S GREATER THAN ONE ACRE.

THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITIES ARE MAINTENANCE, INSPECTION AND DOCUMENTATION OF THAT MAINTENANCE INSPECTION, AND THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITIES ARE DISCRETIONARY INSPECTION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE REGULATIONS.

NOW I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.

SO THAT IS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE ORDINANCE.

WE'VE CREATED AN AGREEMENT TEMPLATE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO START FROM SCRATCH.

THERE'S FORMS TO FILL OUT.

THEY CAN CUSTOMIZE THEM IN SOME WAYS, BUT MORE OR LESS THEY HAVE A FORM THAT THEY CAN FILL OUT.

IT DOES RUN WITH THE LAND.

SO SHOULD A PROPERTY SELL? THE NEW OWNER IS OBLIGATED TO ABIDE BY THE SAME MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.

IT INCLUDES AN OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE PLAN.

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IF SOMEBODY COMES UP WITH ANOTHER OR PROPOSES ANOTHER METHOD SUCH AS A BIASED WHALE OR GREEN ROOF OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S CONTROLLING STORMWATER, THEN THEY'LL NEED TO BE CUSTOMIZED TO THOSE ACTIVITIES, WILL NEED TO BE CUSTOMIZED WITHIN THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE PLAN, BUT CAN BECOME TEMPLATES AFTER THEY'VE BEEN CREATED.

THE CITY WILL REVIEW AND APPROVE ALL OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE PLANS SO THAT IT CONTAINS A LOCATION, MAP PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS, MAINTENANCE PROCEDURES, LOGS AND AN ANNUAL REPORT.

FOR DETENTION, I'VE JUST PICKED THAT AS THE EXAMPLE MONTHLY.

THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY MOW IT DURING SEASONS WHERE GRASS GROWS, REMOVE TRASH MONTHLY AND THEN REMOVE TRASH AFTER ANY RAINS. SO TODAY, MAYBE THERE WOULD BE AN OBLIGATION TO REMOVE SOME TRASH, WHICH IS EXCITING SEMIANNUALLY.

THEY WOULD CHECK THE IRRIGATION, REMOVE ANY SILT THAT'S ACCUMULATED, LOOK AT THE DEBRIS AT INLETS AND OUTLETS, CHECK FOR EROSION AND VEGETATION, AND THEN ANNUALLY THEY WOULD DO THE SEMIANNUAL EVENTS AS WELL AS DO A STRUCTURAL EVALUATION OF ANY CONCRETE FACILITIES, LOOK AT THE BERMS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STILL AT THE APPROPRIATE ELEVATIONS, THAT THERE ISN'T EXCESSIVE EROSION.

LOOK AT THE SOIL WITHIN THE BOTTOM.

YOU DON'T WANT THAT TO BECOME HARD PACKED.

YOU WANT IT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PERCOLATE AND DRAIN SOME OF THAT RUNOFF.

AND IF YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF AQUATIC ANIMALS OR ALGAE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAY TAKE CARE OF THAT.

SO EVERY YEAR PRIOR TO APRIL 30TH, THE OWNER WOULD SUBMIT A LOG AND THE ANNUAL REPORT FORM AND CERTIFY THAT THEY'VE MET ALL OF THE CRITERIA AND IF THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES, THEY HAVE 60 DAYS TO ADDRESS.

SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY NOTICED, IF THEY DID THEIR INSPECTION ON MARCH 15TH OR APRIL 15TH AND NOTICE SOME EROSION AND THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET THAT CORRECTED BY APRIL 30.

THEY WOULD HAVE 60 DAYS TO CORRECT THAT AND THEY WOULD NOTIFY THE CITY AND THEN RESUBMIT ONCE ALL THE DEFICIENCIES HAD BEEN ADDRESSED.

I MENTIONED DISCRETIONARY INSPECTION.

THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT BUT NOT THE OBLIGATION TO INSPECT, AND I BELIEVE THE INTENT FOR THE CITY STAFF IS TO INSPECT ON A COMPLAINT BASIS OR WHERE THEY HAVE CONCERNS THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT NOT BE DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

SO WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WOW, I'VE CLEARED THE ROOM? IT SEEMS PRETTY TIMELY CONSIDERING THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING UP AND BUT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT, SO THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO POST-CONSTRUCTION STORMWATER MAINTENANCE.

I'M SORRY IT DOES NOT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD NOT COMPLY TO POST SO EXISTING STORMWATER PROBLEMS. RIGHT. WELL, IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING FACILITY, THE INTENT IS NOT TO REQUIRE THAT EVERY FACILITY IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CREATE A MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTION PLAN.

IT HAS PLANS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DETENTION PONDS..

AND JUST PONDS BECAUSE WHEN YOU MENTION CREEKS..

IF IT'S LIKE IF IT'S A IF IT'S A GRADED EARTHEN CHANNEL WHERE THE DEVELOPER HAS COME IN AND GRADED A CHANNEL, THEN IT WOULD APPLY. IF IT'S A NATURAL CREEK, THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THAT.

IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THAT. AND WHO IS THE OWNER THAT THAT YOU HAVE? THE OWNER SUBMITS THE OWNER CERTIFY.

WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY SO THEY CAN DELEGATE THAT TO AN OPERATOR, BUT THEY'RE ULTIMATELY IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

THEY OWN THAT LAND AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE THAT WOULD BE THE A BUILDER, A BUILDER OR WHOEVER THE UNDERLYING OWNER IS.

BECAUSE WE'RE MOSTLY I MEAN, THEY'LL BE THEY'LL BE OCCASIONS AND Y'ALL CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE THESE FACILITIES THAT AN HOA IS MANAGING.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY WHO IT WOULD BE TIED TO, WHOEVER THE UNDERLYING OWNER IS.

BUT LARGELY THESE FACILITIES WOULD BE ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WHERE THAT OWNER OF THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WOULD BE THE MANAGER.

AND WHAT IS THE REASON THEN FOR THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO THE CITY TO PURCHASE SERVICES? NO, MA'AM, THIS IS THE CITY HIRED US TO CREATE THIS ORDINANCE.

SO IT'S FOR ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS.

SO IF A NEW.

I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GETTING A NEW TARGET, BUT MAYBE YOU ARE.

I DON'T KNOW. BUT IF A NEW TARGET CAME TO TOWN AND THEY HAD TO BUILD A DETENTION POND, A STORMWATER DETENTION POND, THEY WOULD CREATE THIS PLAN AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO ABIDE BY IT AND REPORT TO THE CITY ANNUALLY.

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I DID JUST RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM CATHY MAST.

IT WAS. YOU'RE NOT KATHY MAST.

OKAY, GREAT. SHE DOES HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE EMAIL.

CAN THE RESIDENTS AND THE PUBLIC GET A COPY OF THE STORM WATER SLIDES? YES. YES, I BELIEVE SO.

YES, I KNOW WE DO INCLUDE THOSE IN THE MEETING REPORT, SO THOSE WILL BE THERE AS WELL.

OKAY. AND THIS IS A SECOND QUESTION TO THE TERM OWNER REFERS TO THE OWNER OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

YES, THE OWNER OF THE LAND AND THE PROPERTY.

PERFECT. AND THE LAST QUESTION IS, IF NEW DEVELOPMENT, RUNOFF RESULTS IN TRASH DOWNSTREAM, ARE THEY REQUIRED TO CLEAN IT UP? THAT'S NOT NOT NECESSARILY THAT WOULD BE KIND OF SOMETHING FOR STAFF TO INVESTIGATE.

YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE KIND OF MAYBE A CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUE ONCE TRASH WOULD LEAVE SITE.

THIS IS MAINLY FOR THE FACILITY ITSELF, BUT BUT PART OF IT IS KEEPING IT CLEAN SO THAT THAT THE RISK IS LOWER.

SEEING AS THERE'S OUR AUDIENCE HAS DISAPPEARED, I BELIEVE I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS ITEM FOR THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

I WILL ENSURE THAT ALL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS AND FORMS ARE INCLUDED IN THE MEETING REPORTS AFTER THIS MEETING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR PRESENTATION AND SPIN AND TO REMEMBER THAT SPIN REPRESENTS THE FIRST STEPS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

AS I SAID EARLIER, A SPIN MEETING REPORT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE.

WE WILL INCLUDE THE SUBMITTED SPIN, QUESTION OR COMMENT FORMS IN THE MEETING REPORTS.

THESE REPORTS ARE GENERAL OBSERVATIONS OF THE FORUM AND THEY ARE NOT VERBATIM.

AND WE ENCOURAGE INTERESTED PARTIES TO FOLLOW THIS CASE IN ALL CASES ON THE AGENDA THROUGH THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

LASTLY, FOR OUR SOUTH LAKE TV, THIS MEETING IS RECORDED AND IT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE APPROXIMATELY 24 HOURS AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONCLUDE OUR MEETING SPIN TONIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.