Sep 13, 2022 SPIN Town Hall Forum

GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

[1. Call to Order: Video Introduction of SPIN Program by Southlake Mayor John Huffman]

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WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START THE MEETING.

MY NAME IS MADELEINE OUJESKY, AND THE PURPOSE OF SPIN IS TO GAIN FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS ON DEVELOPMENT RELATED ITEMS OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY.

SPIN IS AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND NO VOTES ARE TAKEN THIS EVENING.

SPIN IS STREAMED LIVE THROUGH SOUTH LAKE TV ON THE CITY'S MAIN WEBSITE, CITYOFSOUTHLAKE.COM.

AFTER APPLICANT PRESENTATIONS, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS CAN USE THE MICROPHONES IN THE AISLES FOR A Q&A PORTION OF THE MEETING.

NEXT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SHOW A BRIEF VIDEO INTRODUCTION OF THE SPIN PROGRAM BY SOUTH LAKE MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN.

GOOD EVENING, I'M SOUTH LAKE MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT'S SPIN TOWN HALL FORUM.

THE ITEMS PRESENTED AT SPIN REPRESENT IDEAS, OFTEN IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.

NOW, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THIS CONVERSATION STARTS HERE FIRST WITH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WITH YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPER.

THERE ARE NO VOTES TAKEN AT SPIN AND NO DECISIONS ARE MADE.

SPIN IS SIMPLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE.

AND ONCE THE MEETING IS OVER, BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ARE PROVIDED WITH A SPIN MEETING REPORT THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE DISCUSSION FROM TONIGHT. WE TAKE YOUR IMPRESSIONS AND QUESTIONS INTO ACCOUNT WHEN CONSIDERING ANY ITEM THAT COMES BEFORE US FURTHER ALONG IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION TO HELPING MAKE SOUTH LAKE A BETTER PLACE.

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

WE DEVELOPED AN ONLINE SPIN FORM FOR RESIDENTS TO SUBMIT QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING IF THEY ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND.

I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY THIS EVENING, BUT IF ANY DO COME INTO MY INBOX, I WILL GO AHEAD AND READ THOSE AFTER THOSE IN ATTENDANCE HAVE MADE THEIR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS WITH THE MICROPHONES IN THE AISLES.

AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START OUR APPLICANT PRESENTATION.

[2. SPIN2022-19 - An applicant is proposing to redevelop an existing three building office site with a two-story office building and one-story retail building located at 1721 - 1725 E. Southlake Blvd. within SPIN Neighborhood #8.]

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REDEVELOP AN EXISTING THREE BUILDING OFFICE SITE WITH A TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDING AND ONE STORY RETAIL BUILDING LOCATED AT 1723 THROUGH 1725 E SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.

WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A PROJECT THAT WE'RE CALLING THE S2T SOUTHLAKE PROJECT, WHICH MOST OF YOU GUYS ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION.

WE'RE LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD AND WESTWOOD DRIVE.

CURRENTLY EXISTING ON THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW ARE THREE OFFICE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE TWO STORY IN HEIGHT.

OVER THE YEARS, THESE OFFICE BUILDINGS HAVE SERVED THE OWNERS WELL.

HOW ARE THEY? ARE THEY ARE BECOMING A LITTLE BIT OUTDATED, A LITTLE DILAPIDATED.

THEY ARE LACKING THE TECHNOLOGY INSIDE THESE OFFICE FACILITIES TO BECOME A MARKETABLE PRODUCT, ESPECIALLY IN THE HIGHLY DESIRED AND THE HIGH STANDARDS SET FORTH IN THE OFFICE SPACE WITHIN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

AND SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS START THE DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS AS A RESIDENCE TODAY TO START DISCUSSING THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT.

SO YOU HEAR ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS, PRESENT THE PROJECT TO YOU GUYS, GET AN OPEN DIALOG GOING BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND THE DEVELOPER SO THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO REDEVELOP AND TRY TO DISCUSS WITH YOU GUYS THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE.

THE, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THIS DOES AFFORD FOR OUR GROUP TO REDEVELOP A DILAPIDATED AND AND OUTDATED FACILITY INTO SOMETHING THAT THE OWNERSHIP IS PROUD TO HAVE AND BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND HOLD TO THE HIGH STANDARDS THAT SOUTHLAKE SO OFTEN DOES.

SO BEFORE YOU TODAY, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE MOSTLY FAMILIAR WITH IT.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE AERIAL THAT'S OUTLINED IN HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.

JUST TO THE EAST OF THIS IS THE NEWLY DEVELOPED OFFICE BUILDING.

THERE'S ANOTHER FACILITY THAT'S BEEN BUILT AND CONSTRUCTED BACK OVER HERE TO THE SOUTHWEST.

THESE ARE THE PRIMARY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

AND AND I'M WELL AWARE THAT FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT, FURTHER SOUTH ALONG WESTWOOD, THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

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WE HAVE RETAIL DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO OUR SITE THAT IS HERE, LOCATED ALONG WITH A FEW OFFICE BUILDINGS.

THERE'S A VET CLINIC FURTHER TO THE FAR WEST AND THEN EBBY HOLLIDAY'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WEST FROM THERE.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO, AND I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND SKIP TO THIS PART, WHICH THIS IS WHAT I KNOW EVERYBODY IS CONCERNED ABOUT FROM A SITE PLAN STANDPOINT.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO TRY TO PROPOSE.

THIS IS AN OPTION THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING AND PRESENTING TODAY.

WHAT WE HAVE ARE TWO FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE LOCATED.

THE FURTHEST NORTH AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS A SMALL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 6000 SQUARE FEET THAT WOULD HAVE A RETAIL COMPONENT ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND THEN TO THE FURTHER SOUTH AND THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY WE HAVE PROPOSED TO GO BACK WITH THE OFFICE SIMILAR TO THE USES THAT ARE THERE TODAY, THE FACILITIES WOULD BE UPDATED TO A LITTLE BIT MORE MODERN ARCHITECTURE.

WE ARE LOCATING EVERYTHING AS MUCH AS WE CAN AS FAR NORTH AND AS FAR EAST ON THE SITE PLAN AS WE CAN, WHILE STILL MAINTAINING PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO ALLOW US TO MAKE THE BUILDINGS AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.

BECAUSE THIS IS GOING UP THE HILL AS WE'RE GOING UP THERE.

AND WITH THIS BEING A TWO STORY FACILITY, WE WANT TO KEEP THE FINISHED FLOORS AS LOW AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THERE'S NOT VISIBILITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

LOOKING BACK TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS CLOSER TO Y'ALL'S PROPERTY, WE HAVE, WE WENT AND MET WITH THE CITY AT CORRIDOR COMMITTEE.

WE KIND OF PROPOSED A SITE PLAN AND STARTED SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.

AND WE HAD FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY STAFF.

AND CITY STAFF TOLD US THAT WE THEIR NEXT SUGGESTION WAS FOR US TO COME AND MEET WITH YOU GUYS AND START THE DISCUSSION.

AND SO HERE WE ARE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE, IS TO COME TALK WITH YOU GUYS AND GET THIS PRESENTATION AND GET THIS DIALOG GOING WITH YOU.

THE PROPOSED OFFICE BUILDING WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 18,600 SQUARE FEET.

THAT'S A TWO STORY FACILITY THAT WE WOULD HAVE THERE, AND WE'D HAVE A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY 106 PARKING SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE THE USE THAT IS THERE.

THAT'S FROM THE OFFICE SPACE COMPONENT.

THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE THAT IS SIMILAR IN NATURE SIZE WISE.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, BUT IT'S SIMILAR IN NATURE TO SIZE AS WHAT IS THERE TODAY.

FROM THAT, HERE ARE SOME RENDERINGS THAT WE HAVE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING AND WHAT THE ARCHITECT HAS PROPOSED TODAY.

THEY'RE TRYING TO MOVE ENTRANCES AND EVERYTHING ELSE AGAIN, EVERYTHING CLOSER TO THE NORTHERN END OF THE SITE, TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING THAT IS FOCUSED ON THAT NORTHERN ENTRY IN THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE, WE'LL BE USING STONE, BRICK, SOME WOOD UNDER LAYS AND GLASS AS PRIMARY MATERIALS FOR THE FACILITY TO MEET THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE THERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

AND HERE ARE JUST A FEW MORE RENDERINGS THAT WE HAVE OF THE FACILITIES THAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT TO TO HAVE THAT AND HAVE THE RETAIL COMPONENT THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. AND THEN THIS IS KIND OF AN OVERALL VIEW, LOOKING AT THE ONE FACILITY HERE IN THE FRONT AND THEN THE OFFICE BUILDING IN THE BACK.

SO YOU'D HAVE THE RETAIL IS THIS BUILDING IF I CAN GET MY MOUSE BACK IN, THIS RIGHT HERE WOULD BE THE RETAIL BUILDING THAT WOULD BE HERE.

AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE OFFICE SPACE AT THE REAR OF THE SITE.

AND SO WITH THAT, I KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS.

I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE SOME COMMENTS, SO WE WOULD BE EXCITED TO TRY TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE CONVERSATIONS AND WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE FACING THE PROPERTY. I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS ITEM FOR DISCUSSION FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS OR PROVIDE COMMENTS, [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU COULD USE A MICROPHONE IN THE AISLES, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME INDIVIDUALS AT HOME THAT MIGHT BE VIEWING THIS.

SO THE EXISTING OFFICES RIGHT NOW, HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOT, SQUARE FEET ARE IN THOSE OFFICES? YOU'RE RIGHT. LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF I'M STEPHAN GEBREN WITH GEBREN CONSULTING SERVICES.

I'M A CONSULTANT FOR THE DEVELOPERS.

I WORK WITH THEM ON A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THIS, AS WELL AS THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT.

CURRENTLY, WE HAVE ABOUT 13 AND A HALF, 13.8 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF EXISTING OFFICE SPACE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

CAN YOU PUT THE SLIDE UP AT SHOWS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AGAIN, PLEASE? SORRY, I WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT.

DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT. SO.

OKAY. AND HOW MANY CURRENT PARKING SPOTS DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU KNOW? CURRENTLY? CURRENTLY.

I BELIEVE WE'RE ABOUT 60 OR 65.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, IT'S MORE DOUBLE.

NOT NOT QUITE, BUT NOT MORE THAN DOUBLE.

BUT THERE WOULD BE MORE PARKING THAN WHAT IS THERE TODAY YES, SIR.

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WE HAVE TALKED WITH THE CITY.

THEY DO HAVE CONCERNS WHERE THE RETAIL IS PLACED RIGHT NOW.

YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS A VISION FOR HOW THEY WANT THE RETAIL TO BE WITHIN SOUTH LAKE.

IF YOU GO A QUARTER MILE DOWN TO THE WEST TOWARDS SOUTH LAKE TOWN SQUARE, IT'S ALL TOWARDS THE FRONTAGE.

SO THAT IS ONE OF THE SITE PLANS WE HAD PROPOSED TO THEM.

HOWEVER, OUR ARCHITECTS, MODUS ARCHITECTS WAS WORKING WITH US TO REDEVELOP IT, TO KIND OF MAKE IT FLOW AND BE A LITTLE MORE WALKABLE, MORE FOCUSED ON A A PROPERTY THAT ALLOWS FOR COHESIVENESS BETWEEN BOTH OF THE TYPES OF PRODUCTS, BUT ALSO BE KIND OF A, WHAT WE WOULD SAY A FOCAL POINT FOR BEING MORE COMMUNITY BASED AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE EVENTS BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.

YOU KIND OF SEE WE HAD WHERE'S THE BACK SPACE WHERE YOU GO FORWARD, YOU GO INTO THE RENDERINGS.

YOU CAN SEE HERE WE KIND OF HAVE A PLAZA BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.

THERE ARE SOME TREES WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE THERE.

THAT'S A BIG FOCUS FOR US AS WELL.

EVER SINCE WE STARTED THE PROJECT WAS TO SAVE AS MANY AS THE BIG TREES AS POSSIBLE.

WE'VE DONE A LOT OF SITE STUDIES TO CONFIGURE THE BUILDINGS AROUND THESE TREES.

IF WE PUT IT HERE, ALL RIGHT, WE LOSE THESE TWO TREES AND WE PUT IT UP HERE, THEN WE LOSE THESE TWO TREES.

SO WE'RE STILL WORKING AROUND THAT AND IT'S STILL KIND OF FLUID AT THIS POINT.

HAVE YOU ESTIMATED THE TIME FOR DEMOLITION? HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO DEMOLISH? I HAVE NOT. I MEAN, THE THREE BUILDINGS COULD BE PROBABLY KNOCKED DOWN WITHIN MAYBE 4 TO 6 WEEKS IF THAT THEY AREN'T THAT BIG AS FAR AS WHERE THEY ARE.

BUT THEY'RE 13,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING, SO I'D SAY ABOUT AT LEAST A MONTH AND HOW ABOUT CONSTRUCTION TIME PROBABLY IN THIS MARKET RIGHT NOW.

WHAT USED TO TAKE 10 TO 12 MONTHS IS NOW TAKING 14 TO 16 MONTHS OR LONGER.

OKAY. THANK YOU. HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS DESIGN? WE'RE USED TO HAVING THE COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT LOOKS LIKE RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU GUYS.

THIS WOULD BE A PRETTY STARK CHANGE.

THIS THIS WOULD THIS IS MORE OF THE VISION OF THE DEVELOPERS AND THEN ALSO TALKING WITH THE CITY ON WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF BUILDING.

AGAIN, IT'S VERY PRELIMINARY RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST RENDERINGS WE'VE CAME THROUGH THROUGH OUR ARCHITECT.

AND SO THIS IS WE SEE THIS TYPE OF STYLE BUILDING SEVERAL OTHER PLACES WITHIN SOUTH LAKE, BUT IT IS STILL FLUID.

BUT THIS IS A DESIGN, BUT THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST GO THROUGH THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THIS TYPE OF BUILDING.

WE MOVED HERE 30 YEARS AGO AND UP AT THE CORNER OF 114 AND 1709, THERE WAS A BIG SIGN THAT SAID SOUTHLAKE, WELCOME, SOUTHLAKE CITY OF TREES.

AND ALL OF THAT AREA UP THERE WAS TREES, IT WAS FARMS. ALL OF THIS WAS A FARM.

THERE ARE SOME BEAUTIFUL TREES ON THAT LOT RIGHT NOW.

HOW MANY OF THOSE WOULD BE AFFECTED? SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF OUR OPENING DISCUSSION POINTS WITH CORRIDOR COMMITTEE, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE REASON WHY THESE BUILDINGS ARE ALMOST COCKED A LITTLE BIT FUNNY AND SHAPED A LITTLE BIT ODDLY IS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME TREES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT.

AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS OF THE GRADING.

AND THERE'S A ACTUALLY CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT IF YOU LOOK AT THE AT THE SITE PLAN RIGHT HERE, THOSE LITTLE GRAY LINES, THOSE THIN LINES, THOSE ARE ALL ONE FOOT CONTOURS.

SO THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FALL ACROSS THIS SITE THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH TO MAINTAIN AND TRY TO WORK THROUGH THOSE TREES.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO BE SITE SPECIFIC WITH HOW THE SITE GETS LAID OUT TO PRESERVE THOSE.

AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS OPEN DISCUSSION OF SEEING WHAT BIG CHANGES, BUT THAT IS DEFINITELY A CONCERN THAT WE ARE AWARE OF.

ONE JUST IN GENERAL, THAT SOUTHLAKE HAS A CONCERN OF THAT.

WE AS A CONCERN THAT SOME OF THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAD RAISED TO US.

AND IT'S A CONCERN THAT THE OWNERS AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK TOWARDS TO PRESERVE AS MANY OF THOSE TREES AS FEASIBLY POSSIBLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND HONESTLY, WHEN WE'VE BEEN WORKING AT IT, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK IT OUT SO THAT IT COMPLEMENTS THE DESIGN, IT COMPLEMENTS THE BUILDINGS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE UTILIZED AS AN ASSET.

IT'S NOT JUST, HEY, PUT AN ORANGE FENCE AROUND THIS TREE AND SAVE IT.

WE'RE TRYING TO WORK IT IN WITH SOME OF THE SITE DESIGN AND SOME OF THE LAYOUTS TO WHERE IT ACTUALLY COMPLEMENTS THE BUILDING.

I MEAN, WE'RE ALL HERE IN SUMMERTIME BEING ABLE TO HAVE A NICE TREE TO PARK YOUR CAR UNDER WHENEVER YOU PARK FOR YOUR CARS TO KEEP THEM IN THE SHADE.

OR WE'LL HAVE SHADE ON YOUR BUILDINGS OR ON VEHICLES OR ON THE PAVEMENT.

THAT IS ALL SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS TO PRESERVE.

AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN OTHER PEOPLE YOU'VE DEALT WITH.

FIRST BLUSH, WE'RE AGAINST EVERYTHING.

BUT RECOGNIZING THAT YOU'VE GOT A PROPERTY, YOU'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH.

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT I HAVE SPOKEN WITH HAVE SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT.

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JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. THE NEXT CUT WOULD BE WE'RE OKAY WITH OFFICE ZONING, BUT NOT THE RETAIL.

AND THE PROBLEM WITH THE RETAIL IS ON 1709, YOU CAN TURN RIGHT IN THERE, BUT YOU'RE TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS WHEN YOU DO.

THERE'S A TURN LANE, BUT IT'S VERY SHORT.

PEOPLE COME IN OVER THAT HILL AND THEY RUN THAT NEXT RED LIGHT REGULARLY.

WE'VE GOT PROBABLY SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE HAVE BEEN HIT AT THAT INTERSECTION.

I'M SURE ALL OF US HAD HAD CLOSE CALLS AT THAT INTERSECTION BECAUSE THE SPEED OF THE TRAFFIC GOING EAST ON 1709, THAT'S AN ISSUE.

THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR IN MY MIND, ANYTHING RETAIL ON THAT LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO BE HARD TO DO.

EVERYBODY'S GOT TO EITHER COME ONTO WESTWOOD, DRIVE OFF A 1709, OR GO DOWN TO VILLAGE CENTER AND COME BACK AROUND TO PASS THE EDGE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN COME BACK INTO IT. I KNOW YOU SAID YOU DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC RETAIL IN MIND.

IT WOULD BE SMALLER.

YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES, WE'RE TALKING PROBABLY 2 TO 3.

WHAT KIND? WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN DOWN THAT FAR YET.

SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH THE CITY PLANNING AND ZONING CHECKLIST TO DETERMINE THE PROPER USE, WHAT THE DEVELOPERS SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OUTRAGEOUS.

IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT FITS IN WITH THE NORM THAT'S IN SOUTHLAKE.

BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE LIST OF WHAT RETAIL WOULD BE SPECIFIC IN THAT.

ALL RIGHT. TRAFFIC WOULD BE OUR CONCERN.

RETAIL THAT HAD LOW TRAFFIC COUNT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A RESTAURANT JUST BECAUSE PARKING WOULD NEED TO BE HIGHER.

AND WE'RE ALREADY LIMITED ON PARKING FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE SITE.

SO WE'D PROBABLY NIX THAT IMMEDIATELY, BUT THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT USE.

YEAH. SO I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S RETAIL WOULD CONSIST OF LIKE YOUR SHOPS, YOUR SALES, RETAIL CONSUMERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

A RESTAURANT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED RETAIL.

WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT ON OUR SITE PLAN ESTABLISHED AS A RESTAURANT, WHICH WHENEVER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT OR YOU HAVE A STRIP CENTER, A RESTAURANT IS DEFINITELY FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT IS A HIGH TRAFFIC DRIVER VERSUS MORE OF LIKE A RETAIL SHOP CENTER.

THINGS OF THAT NATURE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE LESS INTENSE COMPARED TO A RESTAURANT.

BUT WHENEVER WE COME BACK BEFORE YOU GUYS AND WE PRESENT, WHENEVER WE HAVE OUR PRESENTATION THAT IS IN THE FORMAL PRESENTATION, THE FORMAL SETTING, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, LIKE I SAID, A RETAIL USE, A RESTAURANT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE CONSIDERED RETAIL USE.

THAT IS A RESTAURANT USE IT.

THAT IS. AND THAT WAS THE WORD THAT YOU SAID THERE.

BUT IF THAT IS OF A CONCERN, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO KNOW EXACTLY THAT.

BUT A RETAIL, WHEN IF WE GO FOR RETAIL ZONING WITH THE CITY AND MADELINE, YOU CAN PROBABLY CHIME IN HERE AS WELL IS THAT THERE IS A DEFINITION OF RETAIL WHICH IS GOING TO BE LIKE YOUR YOUR SHOP SPACE SELLING DIFFERENT THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WE COULDN'T PUT ON A SITE, PLAN A RETAIL AND THEN COME BACK IN AND THEN DO LIKE A BAIT AND SWITCH AND PUT A RESTAURANT IN THERE UNDERNEATH A RETAIL BECAUSE THAT WOULD NOT MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAT SET FORTH.

SO WHEN WE DO HAVE THAT FINAL SITE PLAN, WE WILL HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC WITH THE CITY.

AND I BELIEVE MADELINE MOST LIKELY WILL PROBABLY BE DOING AN SP ONE ON THIS ZONING CASE, WHICH WILL BE A SITE PLAN, A DETAILED SITE PLAN THAT WILL SPELL OUT THE EXACT PART OF THAT. AND SO WE WILL HAVE TO ESTABLISH HERE, IF WE DO WORK WITH YOU GUYS, IF WE CAN COME TO A COMPROMISE AND IF THE CITY DECIDES THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD SUPPORT, WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT DETAILED OUT.

AND THOSE USES AT THAT POINT IN TIME WILL BE A PART OF THE CODE THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THERE.

SO YOU CAN'T JUST BUILD A BUILDING THERE AND THEN SAY, HEY, WE KNOW THAT WE BUILT A BUILDING, BUT NOW WE WANT TO PUT A RESTAURANT IN THERE AND THEN YOU GO AND SWITCH THAT OUT. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.

THE CITY DOESN'T ALLOW THAT FOR THE ZONING.

HAVE THEY SAID ANYTHING TO YOU ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND HOW YOU WOULD SAFELY INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM THAT LOCATION? THAT HASN'T? TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS ANYTHING YOU DO IN SOUTHLAKE, TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN.

WE CAN ALL THINK CHICK-FIL-A FOR THAT.

SO WITH ALL ESPECIALLY ON 1709 AND THE FACT THAT ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT BACKS UP WHERE CITY STAFF HAS HAD TO HAVE POLICE OFFICERS AND THINGS COME THAT'S JUST WEST OF HERE COME AND HAVE THEM DO THAT.

WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THAT, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WITH THIS IS A FAIRLY LOW TRAFFIC.

IF WE INCLUDE A RESTAURANT, IT WOULD DEFINITELY INCREASE IT.

BUT THE CITY DOES HAVE MINIMUM STANDARDS AND WE WILL HAVE TO SUBMIT A TRAFFIC COUNT REPORT TO THEM THAT SAYS WE HAVE THIS MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE.

AND THERE'S A IT'S BASED ON THE UNIFORM TRAFFIC MANUAL AND THE, I GUESS, ENGINEERING METHODS OF CALCULATING, ESTIMATING HOW MANY CARS ARE GOING TO COME IN AND OUT OF A SITE.

AND WE WILL HAVE TO PRESENT THAT TO THE CITY.

YES, SIR. SO AND THAT'S STANDARD THAT'S NOT JUST OUR DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S WHAT ANYTHING ON YOUR SITE PLAN THEY HAVE A TRAFFIC THRESHOLD WORKSHEET THAT WE HAVE TO FILL OUT THAT PUTS TOGETHER THOSE TRAFFIC IN THOSE ACCOUNTS.

TWO OTHER QUESTIONS.

HAVE YOU DONE SOME KIND OF A STUDY THAT TELLS YOU THIS, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO HERE IS WHAT'S NEEDED, THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A MARKET FOR THAT HERE.

WE HAVE VACANT PLACES, PARTICULARLY IN LOCATIONS THAT AREN'T PARTICULARLY DESIRABLE FOR WHATEVER REASON.

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BUT ARE YOU ASSURED THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO END UP WITH ANY EMPTY SPACE IN THERE AT THE END OF OUR BLOCK? THE OTHER THING WAS, I'LL LET YOU GO.

THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.

I'D BE CURIOUS WHAT MY NEIGHBORS THINK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE WE'VE PRESSED HARD BEFORE.

THERE'S A LITTLE SQUARE OFFICE BUILDING KIND OF BEHIND THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU THAT GOT SNUCK THROUGH WITHOUT US BEING AWARE.

YEAH. SOUTHEAST ONE.

AND NOBODY LIKED THAT AT THE TIME.

I KNOW, I THINK WE'VE EITHER GOTTEN USED TO IT OR MAYBE IT WASN'T THAT OFFENSIVE, BUT THIS IS REALLY DIFFERENT.

SO I WOULD IF YOU IF YOU'D LIKE OUR ARCHITECT, CLEMENTI, IS SITTING BACK THERE.

LET ME BRING HIM UP. HE'S THE ONE THAT DESIGNED THIS.

AND HE CAN KIND OF TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT WHAT WHAT LED HIM TO CREATE THIS THIS TYPE OF BUILDING HERE.

OKAY. WHILE HE'S DOING THAT, CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING FROM THE MOTHERS? I HAVE EIGHT GRANDCHILDREN AND WE HAVE A TWO WAYS TO GET IN THAT INTO THE SUBDIVISION.

AND ALL OF THEM ARE TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HAND.

AND THERE IS A BUS THAT BRINGS PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH FROM FROM THE SCHOOLS.

AND THE KIDS LIKE TO THEY ARE FREE TO RUN.

AND WE ARE VERY CONCERNED THAT THIS IS HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE USED, BECAUSE WE MOVED HERE BECAUSE OF WHAT IT GAVE FOR THE KIDS.

AND NOW Y'ALL ARE TAKING IT AWAY AND WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP OUR KIDS IN.

AND SO I THINK YOU NEED TO RELOOK AT THIS AND EVERYBODY SIT DOWN AND WE CAN HELP YOU FIND A BETTER PLACE.

BUT CAN YOU ELABORATE ON KEEPING THEM IN? WE CAN'T YOU CAN'T KEEP..

I MEAN, ELABORATE ON WHAT THAT MEANS KEEPING THEM INSIDE THE HOUSE, KEEPING THEM? WELL, JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE RIDE THEY RIDE THEIR BIKES AROUND THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET ALL THAT TRAFFIC COMING IN, YOU CAN'T YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S VERY DANGEROUS FOR THE KIDS.

AND I'M WE'RE REAL UPSET ABOUT THIS.

AND THIS IS IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE WE WERE BLINDSIDED AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY THEY'VE TAKEN AWAY A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF FROM US AT THIS THING BECAUSE LIKE BECAUSE I GUESS WHERE WE'RE LOCATED, WE WERE ONE OF TWO LOCATIONS WHEN WE MOVED HERE.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS IS, THIS IS THE POOR GUY THAT DREW THE WRONG THING AND THEN GOING, LET'S SEE, WE GET THEM, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING SOMETHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T.

AND MY KIDS ARE GROWN.

I'M OLD, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.

SO BUT I DON'T YOU KNOW, KIDS RIDE THEIR BIKES AND STUFF LIKE THIS.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD PLACE TO HAVE CARS.

PEOPLE RUN THAT LIGHT EVERY TWO OR THREE TIMES AND THIS IS JUST NOT GOING TO BE GOOD FOR OUR CHILDREN.

SO I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION.

PLUS, I'VE BROKEN THIS THING BEFORE YOUR ARCHITECT TALKS.

CAN WE FINISH TALKING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? AND THEN HE CAN COME WITH YOU TO DESIGN MINE? YEAH. AND I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH APPROXIMATELY 14 PEOPLE WHO SENT ME EMAILS AND LETTERS TODAY.

AND FIRST OF ALL, MY NAME IS PATTY MENDER AND WE LIVE 223 EASTWOOD.

WE'VE BEEN HERE 40 YEARS, AND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS BEEN A THORN IN OUR SIDE FROM THE DAY IT WAS DEVELOPED.

AND WE ARE FEW WHO ARE STILL PERMANENT OWNERS FROM THE ORIGINAL 40 YEARS AGO, THIS SITE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN A DUPLEX SITE AND IN THE DARK OF THE NIGHT IT WAS SLIPPED IN AND TURNED IT INTO OFFICE BUILDINGS.

RIGHT NOW IT'S ZONED OH ONE.

IT IS NOT ZONED FOR RETAIL, FIRST OF ALL.

AND WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD TO KEEP IT ZONE ONE JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT MRS. MCNUTT SAID AT TIME.

WHEN WE ALL MOVED HERE 40 YEARS, WE ALL HAD BABIES AND THEY RODE AROUND THE BLOCK AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL THE TRAFFIC.

AND THIS BUILDING HERE DOES NOT CONFORM.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, BUT IT DOESN'T CONFORM TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO BUILT THE THREE BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH WE ALL GET TO HAVE AN INPUT ON, IN WHICH I THINK MY NEIGHBORS WILL ALL AGREE THEY'RE VERY LOVELY BUILDINGS AND YOU'RE BRINGING UP A ULTRAMODERN BUILDING WITH A FLAT ROOF.

AND THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE OUR HOUSES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I HAVE SIX GRANDCHILDREN AND YOU PROBABLY COULD GO AROUND MY BLOCK.

WE HAVE 32 HOMES.

WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE RENTAL AND 30 THAT ARE OWNERS.

AND I WOULD SAY MORE THAN HALF OF US ARE IN OUR SEVENTIES.

AND THIS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS NOT GOING TO FLY WITH MY NEIGHBORS.

WE WILL COMPLETELY OPPOSE ANY RETAIL THAT YOU PRESENT.

WE WILL BE FINE FOR YOU TO TAKE THE BUILDINGS DOWN AND PUT A BEAUTIFUL OFFICE BUILDING UP THERE.

BUT WE WANT IT TO CONFORM TO WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET LOOK LIKE.

THOSE ARE IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT THOSE BUILDINGS, THOSE ARE VERY PRETTY BUILDINGS.

AND LIKE SOME, I THINK JOHN SAID, THEY CAME IN THE DARK OF THE NIGHT AS AGAIN AND SLIPPED IN THAT MIDDLE BUILDING IN BETWEEN US,

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AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S PROBABLY BETWEEN 15 AND 20, ROUGHLY LIVE OAKS ON THAT PROPERTY AND THEY'RE PROBABLY, BEFORE THEY STARTED TEARING IT UP, PROBABLY WAS PROBABLY ABOUT 40 BEAUTIFUL LIVE OAKS ON THAT PROPERTY.

AND MY NEIGHBOR HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE YOUR ARCHITECT DOES ABOUT WHAT WE DID AND HOW THE ZONING CAME ABOUT.

BUT WE REALLY WE HAVE A LOT OF SMALL CHILDREN THAT PLAY.

AND WE CAN TELL YOU TO MY NEIGHBORS WHO WALK THEIR PUPPIES EVERY MORNING VERY EARLY, THEY JUST GET JUST ABOUT GET RUN OVER EVERY MORNING BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ZOOMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO GO TO THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT.

AND THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S CALLED SOUTHWOOD.

THE HOUSE IT USED TO BE, THAT'S ON THAT CORNER.

MY SON USED TO OWN THAT AND THEY PUT A ROAD IN CALLED SOUTHWOOD TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO BRING YOU WANT TO BRING IN A BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO DESTROY LIKE WE ARE THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE THAT HAS A BUSINESS AT THE MOUTH OF OUR SUBDIVISION.

AND THE PEOPLE WHO COME IN TO UTILIZE THESE BUILDINGS, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS.

THEY DON'T LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE COMING IN.

THEY COME IN THERE AND JUST DRIVE.

IF THEY MISS THEIR TURN OFF, THEY COME AROUND OUR CIRCLE AND THERE'S NO WAY OUT.

AND THEN THEY ZOOM AROUND AND WE HAD TO WATCH FOR THESE SMALL CHILDREN WHO WERE GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR FAMILY A WAY OF LIVING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND IT'S JUST NOT. I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO MAKE A PROFIT ON YOUR PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT YOU'RE ASKING US TO GIVE UP WHAT WE HAVE ALL WORKED FOR 30 AND 40 YEARS, AND NOW OUR GRANDCHILDREN ARE BUYING HOMES IN THERE AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN ARE PLAYING.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE US A NERVOUS WRECK ABOUT HOW OUR CHILDREN CAN RIDE THEIR BICYCLES.

AND FOR RIGHT NOW, IT'S A SAFE PLACE FOR THEM.

YOU KNOW, AFTER 5:00 IN THE AFTERNOON AND ON THE WEEKENDS AND THE WEEKENDS, WE HAVE NO TRAFFIC.

BUT PEOPLE WHO COME ROUND AND LOOK AT OUR HOUSES IF THEY CAN PURCHASE THEM FOR US.

BUT SO THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE FOR MY NEIGHBOR, DARYL MCNUTT, TO READ A LETTER FROM MY FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE USE OF THIS LAND.

AND I CAN TELL YOU OF THE 17 PEOPLE I HAVE HERE ON MY LIST OF THE 32 ARE TOTALLY OPPOSED TO ANY RETAIL.

AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A BUILDING, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET.

AND I THINK OUR NEIGHBORS WOULD BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT YOU, BUT WE WILL NOT SUPPORT YOU FOR ANY RETAIL.

AND I CAN TELL YOU WE'LL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO BRING OUT THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO OPPOSE ANY RETAIL.

BUT WE WILL SUPPORT YOU WITH A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND IT'S ALL OFFICE BUILDING, BUT 120 PARKING SPACES.

WE WON'T SUPPORT THAT.

IT'S A 106, MA'AM.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DARYL MCNUTT, AND I LIVE AT 212 WESTWOOD DRIVE.

RIGHT ON THE WESTWOOD.

ABOUT FOUR HOUSES DOWN FROM THE END OF YOUR PROJECTION.

MY DAD WAS THE MAYOR OF ROSENBERG, TEXAS, FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND WE WENT THROUGH ALL KINDS OF ZONING ISSUES.

AND MY SON IN LAW IS THE MAYOR OF GEORGETOWN, TEXAS, TODAY, AND HE'S GOING THROUGH ZONING CHANGES AS WELL.

AND SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

AND WE ALL REALIZE IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND ESPECIALLY TO THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE ALONG WESTWOOD.

BEFORE I READ THE LETTER, I THINK SEVERAL OF MY COHORTS HERE HAVE MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC SITUATION, AND MOST PEOPLE HEAR THAT WHEN THEY COME INTO THIS AREA, THEY SAY WE GOT TRAFFIC.

YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE.

BUT IN THIS CASE, WHERE YOU HAVE BLOCKED OFF OUR EXIT AND IT'S A ONE WAY TRAFFIC SITUATION, THEY'VE ADDED A LIGHT AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN TO COME AROUND ON THE BACK SIDE, GO THROUGH THE VILLAGE CENTER DRIVE.

IT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE TODAY, NOT COUNTING IF YOU PUT RETAIL AND OFFICE AND THE REST OF THAT.

IN ADDITION, THEY'RE BUILDING A NEW OFFICE BUILDING RIGHT ON VILLAGE CENTER AND THAT'LL ADD TRAFFIC.

IT'S NOT EVEN COMPLETED.

SO WE HADN'T EVEN SEEN THE RESULTS OF THAT.

AND THEN SOMEBODY MENTIONED THE TREES.

THEY'RE GORGEOUS TREES, THEY'RE OAK TREES.

THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR ALL THE HUNDREDS OF YEARS.

AND TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE DOWN WOULD BE DISASTROUS, NOT ONLY TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO GO INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE'RE GOING TO GO IN.

WE UNDERSTAND IF YOU WANT TO TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING OLD BUILDINGS AND IMPROVE THEM AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

WE UNDERSTAND THE PERSON THAT BUYS IT AND WANTS TO IMPROVE IT AND MAKE MONEY AND WHATEVER.

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BUT YOU HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH AS NEIGHBORS AS A RESULT OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE INTENDING TO DO.

WE HAVE THE KILLER TRAFFIC THAT IS AROUND 4:00 UNTIL 6:00 THAT TRAVELED WEST ON 1709.

THIS UNDESIRABLE, IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.

AND SO ANYBODY WHO WOULD HAVE A RETAIL ORGANIZATION TRYING TO GET IN ON YOU CAN'T GET TO THE LEFT.

YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE VILLAGE CENTER TO GET TO THIS RETAIL COMPLEX YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE A DISASTER.

I MEAN, IT'S FROM 4 TO 5, 6:00 EVERY EVENING, ALL OF THAT KILLER TRAFFIC.

WE WON'T GO TO KELLER AFTER 330 OR 4:00 BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T GET THERE.

IT'S JUST BUMPER TO BUMPER.

SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO ADD THIS AND REALLY ADD TO IT.

IT REALLY WOULD HAVE.

IF I'M A BUILDER, I'M IN YOUR SHOES.

I'D SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT AM I DOING? THIS IS RIDICULOUS. YOU CAN'T BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

NOBODY WILL GET TO ME.

SO THAT'S A CONCERN.

THE LETTER I'M GOING TO READ IS FROM EX-CITY COUNCILWOMAN PAM MULLER, WHO SERVED ON THE COUNCIL MANY, MANY YEARS AND WAS MAYOR PRO TEM AND DID A WONDERFUL JOB. SHE IS A HOMEOWNER IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS.

SO AS A HOMEOWNER IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD, I FERVENTLY OPPOSE ANY ZONING CHANGE, ESPECIALLY TO INCLUDE ANY RETAIL OR HIGHER DENSITY OFFICE USE.

THE TWO PROPOSED OFFICE SLOTS HAVE BEEN A PART OF WHITLEY HEIGHTS PLANT SINCE ITS APPROVAL AS A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL THAT REWROTE THE ZONING ORDINANCE, DEVELOPED THE LUD PLAN, ANNEXED SOUTH LAKE BORDERS AND REZONE THE ENTIRE CITY.

AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE INTENTIONS OF OUR CITY PLANNINGS.

THE PROPOSAL AS IS, WILL NOT MEET SOUTHLAKE'S HIGH STANDARDS THAT HAVE MADE IT THE PREMIER CITY OF THE UNITED STATES.

IT HAS BEEN LONG ESTABLISHED IN SOUTHLAKE THAT A COMPATIBLE LOW DENSITY OFFICE USE IS THE BEST ZONING TO TRANSITION TO HOMES.

THE SOUTH LAKE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REFLECTS THE AREA FOR OFFICE USE.

AS WITH OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS OF THE CITY, OURS DOES NOT HAVE A CLEAR SEPARATION BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND OUR ONE PLUS ACRE HOMES.

IT IS THE ONLY ROAD IN THE ENTIRE CITY THAT SHARES OFFICE AND NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.

AS PATTY MENTIONED, THE CITY REGULATIONS ORDINANCE 634 WOULD NOT PERMIT ACCESS TO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD WHEN ENTERING WOODLAND HEIGHTS IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS.

THERE IS A SIGN THAT WARNS WATCH FOR CHILDREN AT PLAY.

WHILE WE ARE A LONG ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD, IT IS TRANSITIONING TO INCLUDE MAGNIFICENT HOMES THAT ARE SEEN IN NEWER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT OUR STUNNING SOUTH LAKE.

WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE HOMES REFILLING WITH YOUNG, HEALTHY CHILDREN WHO ENJOY THE SAFETY OF RIDING THEIR BIKES, RUNNING AND PLAYING GAMES.

ON WESTWOOD, MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL USE WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS PEACE OF MIND AS WELL AS THEIR GRANDPARENTS.

RETAIL WOULD WOULD BE ENTIRELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH.

THE AREA. AS NOTED IN THE PREAMBLE, THE ZONING DISTRICT SECTION 1818 ONE OFFICE USE IS INTENDED TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD LOW INTENSITY USE AND PARK LIKE FEATURES.

I REQUEST YOU GUYS, THE DEVELOPERS RECONSIDER REMOVING THE RETAIL AND DECREASING THE OFFICE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND COMPARE BE A COMPARABLE NEIGHBOR WITH ALL OF US.

SO THAT'S FROM PAM MUELLER, THE MAYOR PRO TEM WHO SERVED ON CITY COUNCIL MANY, MANY YEARS.

AND, YOU KNOW, GUYS, WE GOT 32 HOMES AND WE GOT 64 VOTERS.

AND SO IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT YOU GUYS TAKE THESE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION AND MAYBE JUST FROM YOUR OWN STANDPOINT, THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS JUST NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CITY AND WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL CONCERN.

THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS CARL SLEDS.

I LIVE AT 220 EASTWOOD DRIVE.

PROBABLY AT THE FARTHER END OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AWAY FROM YOU.

BUT EVEN AT THE FARTHER END, WITH THE ADDITIONAL OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT THEY BUILT ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU, WE HAVE A LOT OF MISDIRECTED TRAFFIC.

AS MY NEIGHBORS MENTIONED, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS A LOOP.

SO PEOPLE GO THROUGH THERE AND WHEN THEY REALIZE THEY'VE MADE A MISTAKE, THEY DON'T SLOW DOWN, THEY SPEED UP.

AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, MOVING FROM 60 PARKING SPACES TO 106 TELLS ME YOU'RE EXPECTING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC TO START COMING IN THERE.

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YOU'RE GOING FROM 13,000 SQUARE FEET TO 16,000, SO YOU'RE GOING TO PUT MORE TRAFFIC IN THERE.

THE RETAIL, AS MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID, IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ANY OF US.

WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO KEEP THAT OUT.

BUT EVEN LOOKING AT THE SPACE RIGHT NOW, YOU SEE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE.

YOU SEE A LOT OF TREES WHEN YOU PUT UP YOUR DESIGN, I SEE A LOT OF PARKING SPACES.

I SEE A LOT OF CONCRETE.

YOU'RE NOT PRESERVING THE AREA TO BE CONTIGUOUS WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WITH ALL RESPECT TO THE ARCHITECT, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.

IT DOESN'T GO WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'M NOT SURE HE WOULD WANT SOMEBODY TO DO THAT AS A NEIGHBOR.

IT JUST DOESN'T GO WITH THE FLOW.

ONE MORE QUESTION. ARE THE OWNERS OF THE OWNER, THE PEOPLE WHO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, ARE THEY HERE TONIGHT? I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS MY QUESTION TO THEM.

HAVE YOU RIDDEN THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD YET? WELL, HAVE YOU HAVE YOU RIDDEN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? MA'AM, IF YOU COULD USE THE MICROPHONE.

AND IF THESE TWO GENTLEMEN MIGHT COME UP TO THE PODIUM TO ADDRESS HER COMMENT OR CONCERN, WE NEED TO GET THIS ON VIDEO, PLEASE.

OKAY. SO MY QUESTION IS TO YOU GENTLEMEN, HAVE YOU RIDDEN THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU NOTICE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS, WE DO NOT HAVE STREET LIGHTS. SO IF OUR CHILDREN CAN ONLY PLAY IN THE STREETS OR IN OUR YARDS, AND THERE'S ONLY MAYBE TEN OF US THAT HAVE ACREAGE THAT OVER ONE ACRE OR TWO ACRES, THE REST OF THE SUBDIVISION ON ONE ACRE LOTS AND NOT THAT YOU'RE BUILDING ISN'T A PRETTY BUILDING, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T GO WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION TO YOU.

HAVE YOU RIDDEN THROUGH AND ARE YOU HAVING.

HAVE YOU WRITTEN THROUGH IT JUST ONCE? AND WHAT DID AND WHAT DID YOU SEE? I'M JUST JUST I'M HERE.

I'VE I'VE DRIVEN FROM THERE.

I DIDN'T TAKE A LOOP.

I JUST DROVE TO THE STREET AND THEN WENT BACK.

SO YOU HAVEN'T BEEN IN ON IT? SO, YEAH, I'M IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO YOU'RE NOT INSIDE? I JUST RAN. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE COMBATIVE.

NO, I'M JUST SAYING, BEFORE YOU BUILT LOOKED AT THIS, BEFORE YOU HAD THIS GENTLEMAN DESIGNED THIS BUILDING FOR YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE COME AND LOOKED AT OUR BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE BEEN THERE 40 YEARS MYSELF.

ALL OF US TAKE PRIDE IN OUR YARDS, FLOWERS, TREES.

WE DON'T HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WHEN YOUR BUSHES ARE DEAD, THEY STAY DEAD.

YOU DON'T REPLACE THEM. EVERY ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS REPLACE ANY SHRUBBERY AS SOON AS IT'S POSSIBLE TO REPLACE.

I WOULD SAY BEFORE YOU BRING A BUILDING.

I MEAN, THIS IS A PRETTY BUILDING, BUT IT'S A MODERN BUILDING.

WE'RE OLD, ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I WOULD INVITE YOU TO RIDE THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOK AT ALL THE HOUSES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BLOCK.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF NEW HOUSES BUILT IN THERE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF US ARE ALL THE SAME HOUSES.

AND I WOULD INVITE YOU TO RIDE THROUGH.

JUST LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN MAYBE RECONSIDER A DESIGN LIKE THIS AND AND LOOK WHAT WOULD BE DOING TO OUR NEIGHBORS.

BUT I CAN JUST TELL YOU, AS MY NEIGHBOR SAID, WE HAVE 32 HOMES WITH ABOUT 60 PEOPLE IN THERE.

AND IF IT'S NECESSARY, WE'LL HAVE ALL 60 OF THEM, IF POSSIBLE, AT A P&Z MEETING OR A CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO OPPOSE ANYTHING MODERN LIKE THIS AND RETAIL.

WE'RE OKAY, I'M OKAY WITH OFFICE ONE AND A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.

BUT COULDN'T YOU PUT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THE OFFICES ACROSS THE STREET? THOSE ARE. WE WORKED VERY HARD ON P&Z ON THOSE BUILDINGS.

I CAN ANSWER BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME CITY CODES.

AGAIN, WE GOT TO FOLLOW, JUST AS YOU SAID, AS YOU HAVE TO MATCH FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ALSO HAVE TO MATCH TO THE BOULEVARD.

BUT THAT DOESN'T. YEAH.

SO PROBABLY HE'LL EXPLAIN WHY HE'S COMING.

BUT WOULD YOU COME AND RIDE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? I MEAN, I JUST SEE HOW PRETTY NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WANT TO BE A COOPERATIVE NEIGHBOR AND WE'D LOVE TO SEE A BRAND NEW BUILDING, BUT NOT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT DOESN'T AS OF NOW, WHERE WE ARE EXISTING OR WHAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE.

WELL, WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT.

WE REALIZE THAT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

AND SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M JUST DISAPPOINTED.

WE JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND.

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SO LET ME CAN I CAN I GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT HERE? LET ME GO. SO WHEN WE FIRST CAME TO THE CORRIDOR MEETING, THE DEVELOPER'S IDEA WAS OBVIOUSLY TO MAXIMIZE THE PROPERTY AND HAVE AN INTEREST IN PUTTING SOME RETAIL UP FRONT.

FIRST STEP OF THAT IS TO GO THROUGH THE CORRIDOR MEETING TO PRESENT TO THEM, AND WE REALLY DIDN'T GET ANY PUSHBACK ON THE RETAIL IN THE FRONT.

IF WE HAD AT THAT MEETING, WE WOULD NOT HAVE KEPT PUSHING FORWARD WITH RETAIL.

SO IT'S BECAUSE OF THE CORRIDOR MEETING AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE THERE AT THAT MEETING DIDN'T PROVIDE ANY PUSHBACK, DIDN'T SAY, HEY, NO, THAT DOESN'T COMPLY.

WE ACTUALLY KIND OF LIKE THAT. THEY'RE UP ALONG THE FRONT.

WE ACTUALLY HAD A SITE PLAN WHERE THE RETAIL WAS UP ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, ABOUT 5000 SQUARE FEET.

SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE CONTINUED ON THIS PATH.

ONCE CLAY HERE STARTED REACHING OUT TO CITY STAFF, BECAUSE ONCE WE GOT MODUS ARCHITECTS INVOLVED, WE STARTED CHANGING THE SITE PLAN JUST A LITTLE BIT TO TO SAVE TREES, TO MAKE IT FLOW A LITTLE BETTER.

THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THIS LAYOUT.

AND SO, AGAIN, IT'S NOT SAYING WE'RE AT THIS POINT, WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN WITH RETAIL.

THE REASON WHY WE ARE PUSHING FORWARD IS BECAUSE THROUGH CORRIDOR MEETING, WE NEVER HAD PUSHBACK ON IT.

AND THEY ACTUALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY WOULD DO A ZONING CHANGE FOR THIS.

HI. I'M RAY GRUPP, 222 WESTWOOD.

MY WIFE AND I ARE OPPOSED TO THE CHANGE IN THE ZONING AND ACTUALLY I'D NEVER THOUGHT OF IT.

PATTY MENDER CAME UP WITH AN EXCELLENT POINT, IS THAT AFTER 5:00 THERE IS NO TRAFFIC UP FRONT.

WE WALK OUR DOGS, WE WALK IN AND OUT.

YOU CAN SEE THE TRAFFIC IS GONE.

WEEKENDS, NO TRAFFIC.

NOW YOU'RE PROPOSING RETAIL THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO THE EVENING AND THAT'S GOING TO BE TRAFFIC.

THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT WHY WE DO NOT WANT RETAIL.

NO ONE HERE SAYS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO TEAR THAT BUILDING DOWN TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS THE SAME ZONING IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING.

SO IF YOU WANT PUSH BACK, WE'LL GIVE YOU A LOT MORE PUSHBACK.

OKAY. AND LIKE I SAID, THE REASON WE WENT DOWN THIS PATH WAS BECAUSE THE FEEDBACK WE GOT THROUGH CORRIDOR MEETING, WHEN CLAY REACHED OUT TO CITY STAFF, THEY GAVE US A LITTLE MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY AND SAID WE NEED TO HAVE A SPIN MEETING, WHICH WE'RE HERE TODAY TO DO THAT.

WELL, AND JUST TO KIND OF JUST TO KIND OF SOME KIND OF TALK WITH YOU GUYS AGAIN HERE ON THIS DEAL IS THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE HAS BEEN AS MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE STOOD UP HERE AND SAID TONIGHT, THAT SOMETHING NOT THIS PROPERTY, NOT THIS OWNER, NOT THIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM, BUT OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS, PREVIOUS YEARS, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED HERE FOR A LONG TIME AND THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED IN THE PAST THAT YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE CAME IN, I THINK UNDER THE, YOU KNOW, UNDER DARKNESS OR SNEAKING IN, TRYING TO DO SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE OF WHAT THEY HAVE. THE WHOLE PURPOSE THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY IS TO AVOID THAT, THE PURPOSE WHILE WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.

AND THE REASON WHY, I MEAN, FULL DISCLOSURE IS THAT OUR OUR PLAN WAS TO SUBMIT OUR SITE PLAN BECAUSE WE HAD NOT RECEIVED NECESSARILY JUST THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE THAT MUCH OUTSPOKEN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE HAD THERE.

AND THEN I STARTED TALKING WITH STAFF, WHICH THEY'RE ALWAYS GREAT TO HELP OUT.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS THAT PROVIDED US SOME FEEDBACK THAT SAID, HEY, Y'ALL MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORY.

WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT HERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORY.

AND WE HEARD ABOUT THE THE SQUARE BUILDING SO THAT THAT HAD BEEN MENTIONED AND UNDER OUR OWNERSHIP'S ADVISEMENT AND US DISCUSSION OF THEM TRYING TO BE GOOD OWNERS, GOOD STEWARDS, GOOD NEIGHBORS, INSTEAD OF JUST KEEPING THE STATUS QUO OF SAYING, HEY, TIME IS MONEY AND PUSHING THROUGH WITH THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL AND GETTING THIS TO THE NEXT P AND Z MEETING TO TRY TO MOVE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

THEY MADE THE DECISION TO SAID, HEY, CLAY, LET'S HELP FACILITATE A SPIN MEETING.

LET'S GET THE DISCUSSION GOING BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE UP THERE, NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO HEAR, GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM EVERYBODY.

AND AND WE HAVE BEEN WE HAD BEEN WORKING I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE STANDING UP HERE WITH A SITE PLAN THAT HAD FULLY RENDERED BUILDINGS AND FULLY RENDERED STUFF BECAUSE OF JUST A DIRECTION THAT WE WERE HEADING.

WE DID FIND OUT THAT, HEY, WE NEEDED TO GO MAKE THIS, WE NEED TO GO DO THIS.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.

AND I MEAN, I HAVE MY BOOK UP HERE.

I'M WRITING DOWN THE NOTES THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH IN OUR TEAM IS GOING TO GO BACK AND TRY TO SEE HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE.

AND MS.. BENDER, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I BELIEVE YOU'RE THE HOA PRESIDENT, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT YOU TOLD ME HERE? WELL, OKAY.

WELL, I WILL OBVIOUSLY, YOU WERE PART OF THE RINGLEADER IN THE GROUP, WHICH I WILL SAY IS A GOOD THING.

BUT AND I'M HAPPY TO GIVE ANYBODY ELSE MY MY CONTACT INFORMATION.

BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

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SO IT'S NOT JUST LIKE THAT.

AND IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN PROGRESS THAT FORWARD.

BUT AGAIN, THE WHOLE GOAL OF THIS MEETING AND THE WHOLE GOAL OF SPIN.

TO INTERRUPT YOU FOR JUST A SECOND.

YES, SIR? THERE'S ONLY 30 HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU NEED TO.

IF YOU ADDRESS SOMETHING, 30 PEOPLE, 30 HOMES.

IT'S NOT DIFFICULT.

I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVEN'T EVEN DRIVEN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I MEAN, I SHOULD I I'M EMBARRASSED BY THAT.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND KEEP THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS CIVIL, PLEASE.

SO I'LL JUST LET MR. CHRISTIE FINISH. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A MEETING TO TRY TO GET THE DISCUSSION GOING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH AS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL SOLUTION FOR BOTH PARTIES.

AT THE END OF THE DAY.

I MEAN, I'VE I'VE BEEN UP HERE, I'VE SAID THIS, I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.

THIS IS WHAT WE DO.

YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO GET DISCUSSIONS GOING AND COME TO A COMPROMISE.

I MEAN, THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT THE GOAL IS.

THAT'S THE GOAL OF WHAT THE OWNERSHIP IS.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE I MEAN, THEIR PLAN IS TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, HAVE THIS PROPERTY.

AND OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S NEXT DOOR TO YOU GUYS.

THEY DON'T NECESSARILY WANT WHAT I FOUND OUT LATER AS THE HISTORY OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE BLACK MARK, SO TO SPEAK OF.

AND I CAN'T THEY CALLED THEY HAD A NAME FOR IT, BUT THE SQUARE BUILDING THAT'S OVER ACROSS THE STREET.

I MEAN, THAT IS OUR INTENT IS TO START THIS DISCUSSION.

AND I WASN'T TRYING TO EXCLUDE YOU, SIR, WHENEVER I SAID THAT.

I JUST KNOW THAT MS. MENDER HAD REACHED OUT TO ME.

SHE TALKED TO ME BEFORE THE MEETING, HOW SHE HAD ALL THE LETTERS SHE HAD COLLECTED THE LETTERS FROM THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.

SHE WAS OBVIOUSLY A VERY GOOD POINT PERSON.

AGAIN, AS I'VE DONE THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNICATION THAT WASN'T MEANT TO EXCLUDE ANYBODY.

BUT AS WE'VE DONE THIS, IT IS ALWAYS REALLY NICE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CAN HELP FACILITATE ME BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ALL THE CONTACTS, ALL THE NEIGHBORS VERSUS MS. MENDER PROBABLY KNOWS ALL OF YOU, AT LEAST BY YOUR LAST NAME, IF NOT BY YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME OF SAYING, HEY, THAT'S THE MENDEZ'S HOUSE, THAT'S THE SO-AND-SO'S HOUSE.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY THAT, OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET THAT SO THAT WHENEVER WE DO NEED TO COMMUNICATE OR MAKE THAT, WE'RE ABLE TO REACH BACK OUT TO YOU GUYS AND ABLE TO HANDLE THAT.

AND SO AGAIN, IF THERE'S I MEAN, WE'VE GOT I'VE GOT A LIST OF ALL THE COMMENTS AND THE QUESTIONS.

AND MADELINE WILL ALSO HELP ME BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER LETTERS THAT YOU HAVE, MS. MENDER, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE MAYBE AS OF TOMORROW TO GIVE TO MR. BAKER AND GIVE THAT WHICH THEN CAN GET INCORPORATED IN THE REPORT.

OUR GROUP THEN WILL CIRCLE BACK UP.

WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ANALYZE WHAT CONCERNS WE HAVE AND FROM THIS MEETING AND HOW WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD IN A POSITIVE WAY, AND THEN WE CAN START KIND OF STEERING THAT. BUT THAT WAS THE INTENT AND THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING, WAS NOT TO YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO EXCLUDE YOU GUYS.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO THAT. THAT WAS THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

THE POINT OF THE SPIN MEETING IS TO COME GET THAT BEFORE WE'VE SUBMITTED ANYTHING FORMALLY TO THE CITY.

AND LIKE I SAID, THE OWNERSHIP I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME GROUNDS THAT ARE DISAGREEMENT ON RIGHT HERE.

BUT I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY DIDN'T TRY TO FORCE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT BECAUSE WE OUR FULL SCHEDULE, OUR DEVELOPMENT SCHEDULE WAS TO SUBMIT TO THE CITY TWO WEEKS AGO FOR THE SITE PLAN, SUBMITTAL WHENEVER THEY CAME BACK FROM BREAK IN AUGUST AND WHENEVER THEY FOUND OUT THIS INFORMATION.

WHEN WE TALKED TO DENNIS AND THEN IT WENT ON UP TO KEN AND EVERYBODY ELSE, THEY TALKED TO US AND THEY GAVE US THIS FEEDBACK.

I MEAN, THEY TRUTHFULLY SAID, HEY, LET'S PUT THE BRAKES ON THIS THING.

LET'S YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO GET UP THERE AND GET IN A SHOUTING AND ARGUMENT MATCH IN THE MIDDLE OF P AND Z.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

THAT'S NOT A GOOD NEIGHBOR. LET'S TRY TO GET THIS GOING.

LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN HOW WE CAN MANAGE IT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

AND MS.. BENDER, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO CLOSE THAT UP, THAT'S GREAT.

IF THERE'S ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO THE PROJECT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO ADDRESS, I WOULD REALLY LIKE YOU TO BRING THAT TO US NOW SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AS ONE POINT. I MEAN, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S PRETTY MUCH GOTTEN UP AND SPOKEN AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO DO THAT.

BUT WE ARE TAKING NOTES.

WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO THAT AND WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO EVALUATE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE COMPETITIVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ASK YOU TO LOOK AT OUR PROPERTY, RIDE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I'M REALLY SURPRISED THAT NONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS GAVE YOU ANY PUSHBACK OR ANYTHING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW ALL OF THEM.

AND WE'VE BEEN THEY KNOW THE LAYOUT OF THAT PROPERTY AND WHY THEY WOULD EVEN THINK THAT RETAIL WOULD FIT IN THAT LITTLE AREA.

THERE IS I'M REALLY QUITE SURPRISED, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST ONE PERSON THERE.

WE HAVE 30 OTHER PEOPLE THERE WHO HAVE OPINIONS.

AND WE WOULD WOULD LIKE TO JUST ASK THE OWNERS TO PLEASE RIDE THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT A PRETTY NEIGHBORHOOD IS.

AND MAYBE YOU GENTLEMEN, YOU KNOW, RIDE THROUGH AND SEE.

AND JUST AGAIN, LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET AND SEE WHAT A NICE WHEN YOU COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

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NOW, THE NEIGHBORS, THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU HAVE PURCHASED, THEY ARE NOT A DRIVE UP APPEAL , BUT THE ONES ON THE OTHER SIDE ARE A DRIVE OF APPEAL.

AND WE THAT'S ALL WE WERE ASKING IS, YOU KNOW, WE WERE BLINDSIDED BY THIS.

WE JUST FELT THE SIGN AT THE END OF OUR STREET HERE, WHAT, FIVE DAYS AGO, FIVE DAYS AGO, FIVE DAYS AGO.

AND IN THE YEARS PAST, WE KNEW AT LEAST, WHAT, TWO WEEKS OF FOUR IF WE WERE HAVING A SPIN MEETING ON A PROJECT OR SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING IN.

AND WE'LL TRY TO BE VERY GOOD NEIGHBORS, BUT WE ARE GOING TO STRICTLY GO.

I CAN TELL YOU NOW, 01 IS WHAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE PUSHING FOR ONLY.

AND I DON'T THINK WE I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OF OUR 30 OWNERS THAT WILL BACK DOWN FROM 01I THINK WE'VE JUST BEEN AND THANK YOU NEIGHBORS FOR ALL THE FEEDBACK.

LIKE I SAID, I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS IS THE POINT OF BEING HEARD.

AS FOR THE PROCESS, I KNOW THAT MISS MADELINE OVER HERE THEY HAVE A CITY PROCESS, AND IT'S NOT HER THAT SET UP THE TIMELINES AND THE TIME FRAMES.

THAT'S OVER TIME THAT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, THAT, LIKE WE SAID, THAT PART OF IT TIME IS MONEY AND CITY DEADLINES AND CITY PUSHING THINGS THROUGH IN THE NOTIFICATIONS.

THOSE WILL GO THROUGH THERE.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CITY'S VERY PRUDENT ON ALL THE NOTIFICATIONS.

SO EITHER A, WHEN WE DO RE COMMUNICATE OR WE DO SUBMIT TO THE CITY, YOU WILL BE WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA, YOU WILL RECEIVE THE PROPER NOTICES.

A LOT OF THOSE NOTICES ARE ACTUALLY NOT EVEN CONTROLLED BY THE CITY.

THEY'RE CONTROLLED BY THE STATE.

SO THEY'RE STATE FILING NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS.

SO YOU CAN YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW DIFFERENT THAT IS ACROSS EVERYWHERE, BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME RULES THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW.

AND I PROMISE YOU CAN AND I DO THIS IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT CITIES, SOUTHLAKE STAFF HERE, THERE.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, OBVIOUSLY, WE AS THE DEVELOPER, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO UTILIZE YOUR PLANNING STAFF AS WELL BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT TALKING TO YOU, KEEPING YOU IN THE LOOP WHEN THERE ARE QUESTIONS.

THEY CAN HELP FACILITATE SOME OF THAT AS WELL AS THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD AND THEY CAN HELP FACILITATE WITH US TO WORK TOGETHER AS A THREE LEGGED CHAIR, SO TO SPEAK, TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK.

YES, SIR? COULD I ASK YOU TO ADDRESS WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE FOR THE LIGHTING AND THE PARKING LOT? SO THE LIGHTING ON THE PARKING LOT THIS WAY THAT CITY OF SOUTHLAKE WORKS IS THAT THEY HAVE A LIGHTING ORDINANCE THAT CONTROLS ALL SITE LIGHTING.

AND I'M NOT THE MECHANICAL ENGINEER THAT ACTUALLY DOES THE SITE LIGHTING.

BUT AGAIN, I'VE DONE THIS STUFF AND KNOW AND WORK WITH SOUTHLAKE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE CUT OFF REQUIREMENTS WHERE AT THE PROPERTY LINE YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ZERO FOOT CANDLES. THERE'S A LITTLE HANDHELD MACHINE THAT HAS A LITTLE WHITE BULB ON IT, AND IT MEASURES HOW INTENSE THE LIGHTING IS, AND IT'S MEASURED IN THE INCREMENTS CALLED FOOT CANDLES. AND SO WHAT THEY REQUIRE IS PART OF THE CITY ORDINANCE, AND WE WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE.

THAT AS WELL IS THAT YOU HAVE ZERO FOOT CANDLES ALONG THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL OR EVEN COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON THE SOUTHERN OR THE WESTERN EDGES.

WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE ALL SITE LIGHTING MEASURED AS ZERO ON THE FOOT CANDLE.

SO THEY ALSO HAVE FULLY SHIELDED DOWN FOR THEIR DARK SKY ORDINANCE SO THAT THE LIGHTS DON'T JUST SHINE UP DIRECTLY IN THE SKY AND CREATE THAT KIND OF HALO EFFECT THAT YOU OFTEN SEE.

SO SOUTHLAKE IS ONE OF THE CITIES THAT IS DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRINGENT END CODE ON THAT TO WHERE THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO WE WOULD WHATEVER WE DO, WHEREVER OUR STREETLIGHTS AND OUR SITE LIGHTING IS LOCATED, THAT WOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CITY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM WHAT WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED TODAY THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT? AND AS WE WRAP UP HERE, I WILL SET MY BOOK DOWN RIGHT HERE AT THIS FRONT TABLE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE COMMUNICATION AS WE NEED TO WITH THE HOMEOWNERS IN THERE.

I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT SO THAT I DO HAVE THAT CONTACT.

SO I WILL LEAVE THIS RIGHT HERE AND I WILL LET EVERYBODY ELSE FILL THAT OUT.

AND UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, I THINK THAT PROBABLY IS LESS OF ANYBODY ELSE'S ANYTHING.

I THINK THAT JUST THAT ONE CLOSING ITEM WE WILL CREATE, THAT MEETING REPORT FROM THIS EVENING'S MEETING WILL INCLUDE ALL OF THE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE RAISED. IT WILL BE SURE TO BE PUT INTO OUR P AND Z PACKET IN OUR CITY COUNCIL PACKETS WHEN THE APPLICANTS DECIDE TO MAKE A FORMAL SUBMITTAL SO THAT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL BE ABLE TO REVIEW YOUR COMMENTS AND CONCERNS AS WELL.

YES. SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANYBODY'S EMAIL THAT WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THEIR PRESENTATION.

AND I WILL GO AHEAD AND EMAIL IT TO YOU AS WELL.

AND SINCE THIS MEETING WAS RECORDED, IT WILL BE POSTED ON SOUTH LAKE TV 24 HOURS.

SO PROBABLY TOMORROW MORNING, TOMORROW AFTERNOON.

IT'LL ALSO INCLUDE THE SLIDES ON THEIR PRESENTATION AS WELL.

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BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE ANY MEETING NOTES PRESENTATIONS WITH YOU GUYS.

SET MY BOOK HERE. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.