Oct 20, 2022 Planning and Zoning Commission

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

[1. Call to Order.]

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AND ONE SECOND AFTER, I WANT TO WELCOME YOU TO THE CITY HALL OF SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS, FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OF OCTOBER 20TH, 2022. MY NAME IS DAN KUBIAK.

I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMISSION.

VERY SPECIAL EVENING FOR US TONIGHT, THE LAST PUBLIC MEETING OF DIRECTOR KEN BAKER.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO LIVE UP TO A HIGH STANDARD TONIGHT, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO.

WE'LL DO OUR BEST REAL QUICK ADMINISTRATIVELY.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA HAS BEEN PULLED THIS EVENING.

AND THEN ALSO, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER NINE UP IN FRONT OF NUMBER SEVEN, AS WE THINK IT WILL PROBABLY BE A PRETTY EFFICIENT ITEM TO HEAR.

I DID WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK ABOUT DIRECTOR BAKER, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I KNOW HE HATES THIS STUFF.

FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S MONDAY AFTERNOON AT THE MARK OR LEGENDS HALL.

I GUESS LEGENDS HALL WILL BE KIND OF A BIG CELEBRATION OF KEN AND HIS LEGACY AND ALL HIS YEARS OF WORK HERE IN THE CITY.

I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO PLEASE ANYBODY I'M WATCHING ONLINE AS WELL OR IN THE GALLERY TO SHOW UP.

I THINK 3 TO 5 IS THE TIME, BUT MAYBE IT'LL GO A LITTLE LONGER THAN THAT IS WHAT I'VE HEARD.

STOP BY, SAY HELLO.

GOODBYE. SHARE SOME FAVORITE MEMORIES.

SO PLEASE COME ON OUT TO THAT.

AND I ALSO WANTED TO JUST PASS IT AROUND THE DAIS REAL QUICK.

[3. Administrative Comments. (Part 1 of 2) ]

I KNOW I'VE GOT A FEW, BUT MAYBE I'LL LET SOME OTHERS GO FIRST.

MAYBE JUST STARTING TO MY LEFT, GOING DOWN THAT WAY AND THEN START DOWN THIS WAY JUST FOR KEN.

SURE. SO I'VE GOT TO WORK WITH DIRECTOR BAKER FOR 12 YEARS, WHICH IS SHORTER THAN OTHERS, BUT LONGER THAN OTHERS.

IT'S BEEN FUN AND ENJOYABLE THE ENTIRE TIME.

AND DIRECTOR BAKER IS ONE OF THOSE GUYS WHERE OVER THE ENTIRE 12 YEARS, I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE INSTANCE IN A PUBLIC MEETING LIKE THIS WHERE HE WAS EVER CAUGHT OFF GUARD AND DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO A QUESTION, ALWAYS KNEW THE ANSWER OR KNEW WHERE TO FIND THE ANSWER.

SO IT WAS ENJOYABLE TO WORK WITH YOU.

AND AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, HE KNOWS COLLEGE SPORTS VERY WELL, UNLESS IT WAS THE NEXT COUNCIL DATE, WHICH IS NOVEMBER 1ST.

YES. OH, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

I'M ALREADY WRITING IT DOWN.

GOOD LUCK AGAIN. IT WAS ENJOYABLE.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER.

THERE WE GO. GOT TO HIT THE MIC FIRST, KEN.

THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY THING YOU DIDN'T TEACH ME IN THE TIME THAT I'VE KNOWN YOU.

I'VE KNOWN YOU BOTH AS A DIRECTOR WHEN I JOINED THIS COMMISSION.

YOU AND OTHERS WERE VERY GRACIOUS AND TAKING TIME TO TEACH SOMEBODY WHO DIDN'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT WHAT ZONING WAS, WHAT LAND USE WAS, AND SO ON.

AND I THINK YOU'VE SET A VERY HIGH STANDARD FOR ANYONE IN THE CITY, NOT JUST IN THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS UNIT.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER.

I'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAIS IN THE PAST AS AN APPLICANT.

AND YOU AND YOUR STAFF WERE ALWAYS MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH WITH ME AS AN APPLICANT IN A COUPLE OF THOSE.

AND I SINCERELY THANK YOU AND WISH YOU ALL THE BEST.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. BAKER, I PROBABLY AM THE PERSON WHO SPENT THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TIME WITH YOU, BUT THOROUGHLY IMPRESSED.

AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS CITY AND THE AS I LIKE TO THINK OF IT, THE SOUTH LAKE STANDARD, YOU KNOW, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE HELD THAT STANDARD. AND YOUR FINGERPRINTS ARE ALL OVER THIS CITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE CITY HAS BECOME.

AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE AND THAT'S WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HERE.

SO I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

MAYBE, COMMISSIONER, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? DIRECTOR BAKER, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THANK YOU FOR MAINTAINING THE HIGH STANDARD THAT YOU'VE SET ALL THESE YEARS.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACIOUSNESS IN PUTTING UP WITH MY STUPID QUESTIONS ABOUT ZONING.

I APPRECIATE IT, AND YOU'LL BE MISSED.

THANK YOU, SIR. I THINK I ALREADY KIND OF SAID MY GOODBYES TO DIRECTOR BAKER EARLIER, BUT I WOULD ECHO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID. I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING FOR FOUR YEARS NOW, AND HE'S JUST THE EPITOME OF PROFESSIONALISM AND HE'S ALWAYS GOT THE ANSWERS, EVERYTHING, AND HE'S JUST NEVER FLUSTERED BY ANYTHING THAT WE DO OR SAY.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT AND BEST OF LUCK TO YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I MAY CUT IN LINE IN FRONT OF DR.

SPRINGER HERE. SINCE HE HAS TENURE ON ME, I THINK HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET LAST WORD.

TENURE ON ALL OF US.

I GUESS NOT, DIRECTOR BAKER, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE CAN.

[4. Chairman Comments.]

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YOU KNOW, THESE MEETINGS ARE ALWAYS DIFFICULT.

SOMETIMES, HOPEFULLY TONIGHT IT'LL BE A LITTLE EASIER.

OUR STAFF IS SOMEWHAT UNIQUE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IN TERMS OF THEY DON'T GIVE THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON THINGS.

I MEAN, THEY JUST TRY TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION.

OTHER CITY STAFFS WILL PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THIS STAFF JUST PRESENTS THE INFORMATION, TRIES TO LET US DRAW CONCLUSIONS.

I THINK THAT REALLY GOES A LONG WAY FOR BOTH APPLICANTS AND RESIDENTS TO FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY'S GETTING A FAIR KIND OF HEARING AND DAY IN COURT AND THAT IT'S ALL BEING PUT OUT THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS ULTIMATELY, ANYWAY, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES PEOPLE LEAVE HERE AND THEY'RE MAYBE NOT HAPPY ABOUT HOW THINGS WENT, BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT THEM HAPPY ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THEY GOT A FAIR HEARING, ALL THE INFORMATION, PLENTY OF NOTICE AND CITY STAFF AND CAN THEY DO A GREAT JOB AT THAT.

AND LASTLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS YOU LOOK AROUND TOWN AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE LEGACY OF A LOT OF GREAT BUILDINGS, DEVELOPMENTS, LAND PLANNING AND CAN HIS LEGACY WILL LAST FOR A LONG TIME THROUGH ALL THAT.

BUT I THINK JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, I THINK HIS LEGACY IN TERMS OF THE CULTURE THAT HE'S SET HERE WITH THIS CITY STAFF AND HOW IT JUST PERMEATES THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION, HOW THEY ACT, HOW THEY TREAT PEOPLE, HOW HARD THEY WORK.

I MEAN, THAT WILL BE REALLY YOUR LASTING LEGACY BECAUSE THAT WILL REMAIN AND WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE THE WAY IT'S BEEN.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYTHING, DIRECTOR BAKER.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. YOU BET.

[3. Administrative Comments. (Part 2 of 2) ]

I NEVER THOUGHT THAT I'D OUTLAST YOU, KEN, BUT IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE THE ENTIRE TIME.

AND YOU ARE DEFINITELY A STEP UP FOR BRUCE PAYNE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE.

THIS IS ALL PUBLIC RECORDS SHOW.

SO SORRY, BRUCE.

SO, BUT ANYWAY, I'VE REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU.

AND AS YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, AS HAS BEEN SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE QUITE THE LEADER IN THE GROUP HERE AND AN INSPIRATION TO US ALL.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE AND THE KINDNESS YOU'VE SHOWN TO ME.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. AS I SAY, 30, 30 SECONDS, REAL QUICK.

I RARELY DO THIS, BUT AS YOU REMIND ME, THIS IS STATE LAW.

IF THERE'S ANY APPLICANTS, ANYONE IN THE GALLERY WHO WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND SAY ANYTHING ON PUBLIC RECORD, FEEL FREE TO COME ON UP HERE JUST REAL QUICK.

NOW, DON'T MAKE ME TURN ON THE THREE MINUTE LIGHT, THOUGH, FOR YOU, BUT FEEL FREE TO PUT ANY COMMENTS YOU WANT ON THE RECORD.

IT'S FUN TO LISTEN TO ALL YOUR COMMENTS BECAUSE IT'S FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

I'M A CONSULTANT AND I'M IN CITIES ALL OVER THE PLACE AND KEN AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN PHENOMENAL TO WORK WITH, I THINK FOR 25 YEARS FOR ME.

AND YOU'VE BEEN HERE THAT LONG? THE LAST ABOUT 23, BUT STILL IT'S BEEN FOREVER.

AND FROM A CONSULTING STANDPOINT, THERE ARE NO STUPID ZONING QUESTIONS BECAUSE IF THERE WERE, I'VE BROUGHT THEM AS INSULTING.

AND OFTENTIMES AT THE URGING OF A CLIENT WHO WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION THAT I KNEW WHAT THE ANSWER WAS GOING TO BE.

BUT THE THING THAT THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I THINK KEN HAS DONE HERE THAT OUR ESPECIALLY TOGETHER REMARKABLE IN.

THE FIRST THING IS AS A CONSULTANT COMES IN, HE KNOWS THE ANSWER IS YOU ALL GOT THE ANSWERS.

BUT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WONDER IF THE ANSWER WAS GOOD, IT'S A LOT EASIER.

AND NOT JUST KEN, REALLY.

EVERYBODY. I CAN TELL HE'S MENTORED HIS STAFF AND THE DEMEANOR THAT THEY APPROACH CONSULTANTS WITH MAKES THIS IS THE BEST CITY BY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE.

EVERYWHERE I'VE WORKED AND I'VE NOTICED I STILL HAVE 3 MINUTES.

I DON'T HAVE 3 MINUTES.

OH, NO, NO, WE WON'T SET THAT FOR THIS.

NO, NOT FOR THIS.

MY INTENTION WITH THIS WAS JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE FROM OUR SIDE IT'S THE SAME THING.

AND AS A CONSULTANT, WE DON'T COMPLIMENT STAFF BECAUSE IF WE DO, THEN SOME PEOPLE WHO SIT BEHIND THAT DAIS HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL THINK, OH, HE'S NOT BEING HARD ENOUGH ON THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

SO I CAN SAY IT TONIGHT.

KEN HAS BEEN A BLAST TO WORK WITH AND SO MUCH EASIER THAN ANY OTHER CITY ANYWHERE AROUND.

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AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE MISSED.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE MISSED FROM MY SIDE.

AND I CAN SAY THAT TO YOU NOW.

THANK YOU FOR THE TIMESHARE.

YOU ARE WELCOME. AND WE SEE ANOTHER APPLICANT COMING DOWN.

SORRY. ARE YOU GOING TO. I'M ENJOYING THIS.

AT THE RISK OF SOILING A GOOD MAN'S REPUTATION.

I COME DOWN HERE AS A DEVELOPER TO SAY THAT.

THIS IS ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT GETS.

YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW HOW BLESSED YOU ARE.

AND YOU KNOW, I'M OLDER THAN ALL Y'ALL.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS HERE FOR 35 YEARS AND EVERYTHING I'VE DONE SO ALWAYS BEEN VERY EASY AND VERY CALM.

AND KEN HAS A WAY.

OF REGULATING.

AND TELLING YOU NO AND TELLING YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

AND IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE.

IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT.

AND THEN I WAS TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE AT OTHER TOWNS RECENTLY ABOUT KEN.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS THAT I SEE THAT ALL OF US DO, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, AND RICH SAID, IT IS ABOUT CULTURE AND CULTURES.

THIS KIND OF NEBULOUS, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU SOUTH LAKES GOT A CULTURE.

SOUTHLAKE HAS GOT A REAL CULTURE AND.

STARTS RIGHT THERE.

AND. AS I THANK YOU SINCERELY, I WANT TO SAY NOTHING TO YOU TONIGHT.

KIND OF PISSED OFF AT YOU FOR LEAVING.

BUT. BUT I'LL SEE YOU MONDAY.

AND THANK YOU SINCERELY.

YOU KNOW. WHEN I FIRST STARTED TO DO THIS, I WAS A 16 YEAR OLD LITTLE GUY HELPING A GUY PUT IN ACOUSTICAL CEILINGS AND.

I WENT BACK ON A SATURDAY NIGHT AND I GOT TO SHOW A GIRL THAT I BUILT THIS BUILDING AND I REALLY DIDN'T DO NOTHING BUT CLEAN UP THE TRASH.

AND I KNOW IT'S IN YOU.

YOU SHOULD REVEL IN THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF YOUR COMMUNITY AND THE BRAND THAT YOU'VE LEFT ON THE COMMUNITY AND THAT YOU CAN TOUCH AND FEEL AND HAVE TANGIBLE SUCCESS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE GO THEIR WHOLE LIFE AND DON'T HAVE THE TANGIBLE SUCCESS AND THE HUGE, TANGIBLE SUCCESS THAT YOU DO.

AND I'M PROUD TO CALL YOU MY FRIEND.

I KNOW YOU'LL DO GOOD IN YOUR NEXT PHASE AND BUT THANK YOU, OK.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. LAST CALL FOR I SEE A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER OUT THERE, BUT I'M SURE HE'LL DO IT MORE DISCREETLY.

BUT I KNOW HE'S APPRECIATIVE LIKE ALL OF US ARE.

WELL, DIRECTOR BAKER, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

WITHOUT A THREE MINUTE, YOU CAN TURN A LIGHT ON.

WELL, THANK YOU.

COMMISSION AND ALL THE KIND WORDS.

[INAUDIBLE], APPRECIATE IT.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD.

I'VE BEEN BLESSED TO WORK IN SOUTH LAKE EVEN MORE BLESSED TO LIVE IN SOUTH LAKE.

AND WHAT YOU ALL DO, I GUESS I'M IN A VERY UNIQUE POSITION BECAUSE I GET TO SEE IT FROM A CITY EMPLOYEE SIDE AND A CITIZEN SIDE. AND I THINK PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW DEDICATED THE COMMISSION IS.

A COUNCIL IS THE HOURS THAT YOU PUT IN THE STUDY THAT YOU DO FOR THESE CASES, THAT YOU HAVE THE INTERESTS OF THE CITY, BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, YOU DON'T GET PAID.

THIS IS ALL VOLUNTEER WORK.

AND IT'S I'M ALWAYS AMAZED THAT YOU DO THIS WEEK IN, WEEK OUT.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE A BASEBALL SEASON, YOU KNOW, SPORTS ANALOGY OF BASEBALL SEASON.

IT YOU JUST HAVE TO PUT YOUR HEAD DOWN AND GO AFTER IT ALL THROUGH THE YEAR AND THERE'S NO BREAKS AND THE LONG HOURS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE CASES ARE DOWN A LITTLE BIT NOW.

BUT WE'VE HAD MANY NIGHTS THAT WE WERE HERE VERY LATE AND TIME AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY, TIME AWAY FROM YOUR JOBS.

AND IT TAKES A SPECIAL PERSON TO DO WHAT YOU GUYS DO.

I'LL MISS SOUTH LAKE.

UNFORTUNATELY, I'M MOVING OUT OF STATE AND I'LL GREATLY MISS SOUTH LAKE AND I'LL MISS THE PEOPLE, THE FRIENDS, THE CITY, THE COURSE, THE JOB. BUT I'VE BEEN REALLY BLESSED BECAUSE I'VE BEEN AROUND, I'VE TRAVELED A LOT AND SOME OF THE SMARTEST, MOST

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AND I'VE BEEN JUST I'VE JUST BEEN BLESSED TO KIND OF JUST STEP IN IT.

AND I COULDN'T ASK FOR ANYTHING BETTER.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING ME THIS PRIVILEGE.

AND IT'S BEEN A GREAT CAREER AND I'LL REALLY MISS IT.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

I THINK YOU'RE HEARING THAT TONIGHT AND YOU'LL HEAR IT AGAIN MONDAY.

AND MY LAST REQUEST OF YOU MAY BE AT THE END THE SIGN BOARD MEETING MAY SEE IF YOU WANT TO GAVEL US OUT HERE JUST ONE LAST TIME.

BUT I THINK IT IS PERMITTED UNDER STATE LAW, SO.

WELL, YOU KNOW STATE LAW BETTER THAN ME.

SO AS USUAL, I HAVE TO DEFER.

OKAY. WELL, TROY, THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE MEETING IN THE NIGHT FOR ME.

BUT WE DO HAVE OTHER BUSINESS TO GET DONE ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS.

I DON'T SEE ANY ITEMS.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

AND THEN ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS A CONSIDERATION OF A FINAL PLAT ON RAINEY COURT, WHICH WE SAW A PRESENTATION ON IN OUR WORK SESSION.

AND I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY QUESTIONS THEN, I GUESS ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEMS FIVE AND SIX TO DISCUSS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEMS NUMBER FIVE AND SIX ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

OKAY, WE HAVE SECOND.

SECOND. OKAY, PLEASE VOTE AND SEVEN ZERO VOTE, REFLECTING THE PERFECT ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING TO SEE DIRECTOR BAKER OFF. SO SEVEN ZERO APPROVAL ON THAT.

NOW WE'LL GO TO MOVE TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

AS I SAID EARLIER, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.

IN CASE YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT, WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS A PLAT REVISION FOR HIGHLAND TERRACE AND ASSEMBLY OF GOD.

[9. Consider: ZA22-0052 Plat Revision for Highland Terrace and Assembly of God Addition being a revision of Lot 1R1, Block 1, Southlake Assembly of God Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 101 E. Highland Street, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "SF-20A" Single Family Residential District and "CS" Community Services District. SPIN Neighborhood #7. PUBLIC HEARING]

I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

I DON'T RECALL THAT THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK CITY STAFF CAN GO AHEAD AND BRING UP THE PRESENTATION REAL QUICK AND WE CAN JUST CONFIRM IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF.

I THINK IT'S ALL ORIGINAL WITH THE ARE CONSISTENT WITH PRIOR APPROVALS, CORRECT? YES, SIR. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAT REVISION AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE CONCEPT PLAN IS APPROVED.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ITEM OR I'M SORRY.

I GUESS WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE.

I BELIEVE IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

OTHERWISE WE CAN PASS ON THAT PART ITEM.

I THINK THE. THEY SHOULD HAVE NAMED IT PUMPKIN PATCH TERRACE RATHER THAN HIGHLAND TERRACE.

THAT'S DULY NOTED FOR THE RECORD.

THANKS. THAT'LL BE TAKEN UNDER ACCOUNT FOR COUNCIL.

I SEE KEN EYEING ME DOWN UNDER THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT I OPEN UP NUMBER NINE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

THIS ITEM REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.

I INVITE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME DOWN HERE TO COMMENT ON THAT ITEM IF THEY'D SO LIKE.

AND SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

COMMENTS. ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER NINE ON OUR AGENDA ZA 20 2-0052 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 14, 2022 AND ALSO SUBJECT TO PLAT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER ONE DATED OCTOBER 14, 2022.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND SECOND VOTE? PLEASE PASS SEVEN.

CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH IS ON NOVEMBER 1ST, I'M TOLD.

THERE WE GO. HE'S READY.

AND REALLY QUICKLY, DIRECTOR BAKER, BECAUSE I ALWAYS ENJOY ASKING QUESTIONS.

WE DON'T NEED TO FORMALLY WITHDRAW ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CORRECT? THAT'S NO, IT WAS ADVERTISED, SO WE WANTED TO LIST IT TO PERFECT.

OKAY, NOW WE'LL GO TO THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR MASS GATHERING EVENTS, TWO OF THEM CHRISTMAS FESTIVAL AND

[7. Consider: ZA22-0045 Specific Use Permit for Mass Gathering Events for a Christmas Festival and Follow the Star- Drive Through Christmas Story on property described as Lot 1R, Block 1, White Chapel Methodist Church Addition and located at 185 S. White Chapel Blvd., Southlake, Texas. SPIN Neighborhood #9. PUBLIC HEARING]

THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE REVIEWED IN OUR WORK SESSION.

HAD THE CHANCE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS ON I GUESS REAGAN I'LL LET YOU COMMENT ON ANYTHING YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON REALLY QUICKLY HERE IN THE REPORT. YES, SIR.

THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS FOR TWO DIFFERENT EVENTS, HOWEVER RELATED.

ONE IS AN EVENT THAT'S FAMILIAR TO THE CITY AND HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN THE PAST AND AS THE CHRISTMAS FESTIVAL, THAT EVENT WOULD BE ON NOVEMBER 30TH, 2022, AND THE NEW EVENT IS CALLED FOLLOW THE STAR.

IT'S A DRIVE THRU CHRISTMAS STORY ON THE SITE THAT WOULD OCCUR ON DECEMBER 8TH AND NINTH.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THESE EVENTS IN TANDEM FOR A PERIOD OF TEN YEARS.

I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THE LAYOUT, BUT THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE EVENT.

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THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH PAST EVENTS.

AND THIS IS THE NEW DRIVE THROUGH EVENT SHOWING THE LOCATION OF HOW ATTENDEES WOULD DRIVE THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, ENTER AND EXIT.

AND SOME VARIOUS VIEWS OF THE SITE.

WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? GO AHEAD AND INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP HERE REALLY QUICKLY, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I THINK THERE WAS REALLY JUST ONE QUESTION FROM THE WORK SESSION, AND IT WAS REGARDING THE LENGTH OF THE SUBS AND THE EXISTING EVENT.

I THINK HAD THE TEN YEARS.

I THINK PEOPLE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE, BUT THE NEW EVENT AND I THINK MAYBE THERE WAS A WE CAN ASK THE COMMISSIONERS, MAYBE THE THOUGHT OF APPROVING THAT, BUT MAYBE AT A REDUCED TIME FRAME, MAYBE FIVE YEARS OR I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I GUESS I'LL LET YOU GO AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THIS, IF AT ALL. OKAY. I'M DENISE BENNETT.

I WORK AT WHITE'S CHAPEL UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE CHILDREN'S MINISTRY THERE, AND THESE ARE MY EVENTS THAT I PUT ON.

AND I GUESS THE REQUEST IS FOR TEN YEARS ON BOTH EVENTS.

AND I GUESS THE ONE EVENTS ARE THE NEW EVENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S SORT OF NEW.

WE DID IT DURING COVID BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULDN'T GO OUT.

SO WE CAME UP WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH EVENT SO PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE TO GET OUT OF THEIR CARS.

SO THAT ONE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE TEN YEARS.

IT COULD BE A SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING IT THIS YEAR.

IF IT DOESN'T GET A GOOD RESPONSE OR IF IT JUST DOESN'T GO WELL, THEN WE PROBABLY WON'T DO IT AGAIN.

AND WHEN IT WAS DONE DURING COVID, I GUESS, WAS IT ROUGHLY THIS PATH AND THIS SCALE? AND I MEAN, WAS IT ABOUT THE SAME AND THE ACTUAL.

IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE BROUGHT IN, WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE WE THOUGHT, OH, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE BORED IN THEIR CARS.

SO WE'RE HAVING PEOPLE HAND THINGS OUT AS THEY WERE COMING THROUGH THE CARS.

AND WE REALIZED THAT JUST SLOWED THE LINES WAY, WAY DOWN.

SO WE'VE ACTUALLY MOVED THE ACTUAL DRIVE THRU PART TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND WE'VE DONE THE SERPENTINE LINES TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH TRAFFIC AS WE CAN OFF OF THE STREETS BECAUSE IT DID BACK UP QUITE A BIT LAST TIME.

OKAY. OKAY.

NOW, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FROM OUR SIDE.

TYPICALLY, YOUR PARTNER BACK THERE MIGHT LET YOU KNOW WE TYPICALLY DON'T APPROVE A TEN YEAR SCOOP LIKE RIGHT OUT OF THE CHUTE.

RIGHT. BUT IT'S REALLY I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU GUYS KNOW CROWD CONTROL VERY WELL BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT A LONG TIME.

AND THE ADJUSTMENTS, I THINK MAYBE FIVE YEARS.

IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH SOMETHING LIKE FIVE? I MEAN, IF THAT'S AMENABLE TO YOU THAT WAY, THAT'S GREAT.

HOPEFULLY IT GOES REALLY WELL AND THE NEXT TIME WE SEE YOU TEN YEARS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I'M KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT.

AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'D MADE ANY PROVISIONS ON THE EXIT GOING OUT HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING TO THE BUSSES YOU'RE PLANNING ON RUNNING OR THE BUSSES FOR THE BUSSES DON'T RUN THROUGH THE DRIVE THRU, THEY RUN THROUGH THE FESTIVAL.

SO WE'VE DONE THAT. WE CAME UP WITH A PRETTY GOOD PLAN.

I TALKED TO, I DON'T KNOW HEINRICH'S LAST NAME, BUT I DEAL WITH HIRING AT THE CHURCH IS ONE OF THE IT MAY BE ONE OF THE COUNTY SHERIFFS OR SOMETHING, BUT SO WE HAVE COME UP WITH A PLAN WHERE THEY DRIVE FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL DOWN WHITECHAPEL.

THEY MAKE A LEFT ON 1709.

THEY COME UP THROUGH THE SIDE OF THE CHURCH WHERE THERE'S NO PAINT, AND THEN THEY DRIVE OUT THE FRONT SO THEY NEVER HAVE TO BACK UP.

WE HAVE DEFINITE PLACES THAT THEY STOP.

WE HAVE POLICE. WE HAVE 12 POLICE OFFICERS COMING AND THEY'RE AT EVERY ENTRANCE THAT WE HAVE.

AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE PULLING OUT ONTO SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD AND THEN TRYING TO GO WEST AND CROSS TRAFFIC THERE.

AND IT'S I'M SURE THERE'S GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE.

SO I WAS JUST HOPING YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE POLICE OR SOMEBODY WORKING THERE TO SORT OF LIKE SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN ON 1709 WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT? YEAH, WE HAVE POLICE OFFICERS, ALL THE THINGS, AND THEN WE ALSO BRING IN TOWER LIGHTS TO SHINE DOWN ON SO THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE SAFE WHILE THEY'RE OUT THERE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE NEED SOME HELP.

ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA ALSO DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME FORWARD.

AND SEEING NO ONE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND I SUPPOSE UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, MAYBE WE'LL MAKE THAT ONE TWEAK AND THEN ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA, WSA 20 290045 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 14, 2022.

ALSO SUBJECT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT STAFF REVIEW NUMBER TWO DATED OCTOBER 14, 2022 AND NOTING RECOMMENDATION OF THE APPROVAL

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ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND VOTE.

PLEASE PASS US UP SEVEN ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK.

COUNCIL ON THE FIRST.

AND THANKS FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL GAVEL OUT DIRECTOR BAKER'S LAST PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING EVER.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.