Nov 17, 2022 Sign Board

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NOW, DON'T WORRY.

WE WILL BE GAVELING IN THE MOST EXCITING MEETING HERE IN TOWN, OUR CITY OF SOUTH LAKE SIGN BOARD MEETING HERE 7:14 P.M..

[1. Call to Order.]

DON'T FORGET ANYTHING HERE, I GUESS.

NO CHAIR, NO CHAIRMAN COMMENTS, NO ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS.

[4. Consider: Approving the minutes from the November 07, 2022, Sign Board Meeting.]

NOVEMBER 3RD, I HAVE THIRD SCRIBBLED ON HERE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

EARLY NOVEMBER MEETING MINUTES.

MR. VICE CHAIR, PLEASE SAY ME.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON OUR AGENDA.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? LET'S VOTE, PLEASE.

AND PASSES 5 TO 0 WITH ONE MEMBER ABSTAINING.

NOW WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO.

AND BY THE WAY, ITEM, CAN WE JUST MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN RIGHT NOW? I GUESS THAT IS BEING THE ZALES ITEM.

WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND TABLE THAT ONE.

THEY CAN THEY REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM THE AGENDA.

SO YOU REALLY DON'T NEED TO TAKE ANY ACTION.

NO MOTION NEEDED. THEY FOUND A WAY TO CONFORM WITH THE SIGN REGULATIONS AND SO THEY ARE THERE DO THAT NEED TO BE HEARD? PERFECT. OKAY, SO JUST FOR EVERYBODY IN THE GALLERY, WE WILL TAKE THESE IN ORDER.

[5. Consider: MSP22-0004 Master Sign Plan for Crisp & Green located at 2438 E. Southlake Blvd., Southlake, Texas.]

WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR CRISP AND GREEN, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT APPLICANT GETS THEIR TIME UP AT THE PODIUM HERE.

SO GO AHEAD.

AND I'LL ROUGHLY RECAP THIS.

WE PRESENTED IT AT THE LAST MEETING.

THE PRIMARY VARIANCES PERTAINING THE SIGN OR THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AS WELL AS SOME ACCENT LIGHTING ON THESE STOREFRONT PANELS AND THEN JUST SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE WITHIN THE BUILDING SITE.

THIS AREA ON THIS WESTERN FACADE OF THE ENTRY FOOD PICKUP AREA IS PROPOSED FOR A FUTURE MURAL, BUT WITHOUT THE GRAPHICS OF THAT BEING INCLUDED, THERE'S NO APPROVAL OF THAT, JUST RECOGNITION OF THE APPLICANT'S INTENT. THIS WOULD LIKELY GO THROUGH OUR ART COUNCIL FOR A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE COMING TO SIGNBOARD FOR BOTH YOUR INFORMATION AND THE ATKINS INFORMATION AND THEN MOVING ON TO CITY COUNCIL AFTER RECOMMENDATION FROM ONCE AGAIN, BOTH ART COUNCIL SIGNBOARD FOR THE MURAL.

THIS IS AN EXHIBIT SHOWING THE THE MONUMENT SIGNS.

IN PARTICULAR, THIS IS THE MAIN MONUMENT OUT ON SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.

THIS IS A DIRECTIONAL SIGN THAT IS BEING DEFACED AS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL. THIS IS ATTACHED SIGN ON THE STOREFRONT.

AND WE'LL JUMP TO SOME OF THE OTHER SIGNS BEING ADDED.

THIS PARTICULAR SIGN IS GOT EXPOSED LED LIGHTING THAT HAS THE APPEARANCE OF A NEON TYPE LIGHT.

AND SO THAT IS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION UNDER THIS SIGN VARIANCE.

THIS, AGAIN, IS THE MURAL AREA THAT'S NOT TECHNICALLY PART OF THIS CONSIDERATION.

THEY'RE ASKING TO HAVE THAT AMPERSAND SIGN ALSO PLACED ON THE EASTERN FACADE, AS WELL AS THIS PANEL AREA ON THE WESTERN FACADE.

AND THEN THEY'RE ASKING FOR SOME ALTERNATING WHITE AND GREEN ACCENT LIGHTING THAT WOULD BE APPLIED TO THESE PANELS HERE.

THIS IS SOME EXAMPLES OF OTHER ACCENT LIGHTING THAT'S BEEN APPLIED TO BUILDINGS AND IN THE CITY.

AND THEN INSIDE THE OUTDOOR PATIO AREA, THEY'RE PROPOSING A SIGN THAT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A BOX SIGN WITH THE ARTIFICIAL TURF INSERTED INTO THAT.

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THIS IS A ADDITIONAL EXCUSE ME.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL WINDOWS SIGNAGE AREA.

THE ORDINANCE IS LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF 10% OF THE CUMULATIVE WINDOW AREA OF THE BUILDING, AND THEY'RE ASKING TO INCREASE THAT 25%.

AND THIS IS SOME OF THEIR SIGNAGE ON SOME OF THE OTHER STORES.

AND ITEM WAS TABLED AT YOUR LAST MEETING.

I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THAT IS HERE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS RIGHT NOW? THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND INVITE THE APPLICANT UP.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND I GUESS I'LL JUST SAY AS WE GET INTO THIS, I MEAN, THIS LOCATION HAS BEEN ABANDONED FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

IT'S BEING REPURPOSED.

IT'S NOT SUPER VISIBLE FROM SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.

AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME SIGNAGE HERE THAT MAYBE DOESN'T QUITE MEET ORDINANCE, BUT IT LOOKS KIND OF INTERESTING, AT LEAST TO ME.

BUT I GUESS WE'LL SEE WHAT EVERYBODY THERE'S GOING TO BE LOTS OF PINIONS UP HERE, SO WE'LL SEE.

AND THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL HERE FOR.

MY NAME IS TRACY HORTON.

I'M WITH MH SIGNS OF TEXAS.

13521 NORTHWEST COURT IN HASLETT, TEXAS.

WE'VE BUILT MANY, MANY OF THESE SIGNS, SO HOPEFULLY I CAN HELP ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS I CAN.

BUT WHAT WE'LL DO MAYBE IS WE'LL JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUICK QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

IF NOT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SIT DOWN AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH IT.

AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, WE'LL ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AS OF NOW? YES. I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE LED FRONT LIT SIDE, THE ONE THAT'S THAT'S SHOWING RIGHT NOW.

YEAH. ORIGINALLY WHEN CRISP AND GREEN, THE CORPORATE, THEY DID THESE THEY ACTUALLY HAD EXPOSED MODULES.

THEY LOOKED VERY HORRIBLE.

IT LOOKED LIKE A SMOKE SHOP IN MY OPINION.

IF YOU LOOK IF YOU'LL LOOK ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, WE ACTUALLY ROUTE BAFFLES.

SO THE ONLY THING THAT STICKS OUT IS ACTUALLY THE DIODE.

THE WHOLE MODULE DOESN'T STICK OUT.

IT GIVES THEM THE APPEARANCE THAT THEY WON'T WITHOUT LOOKING LIKE A SMOKE SHOP.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE STRICTLY WHITE.

STRICTLY WHITE? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE I WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT IS COULD YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE LIGHTING YOU'RE PLANNING ON THOSE LOUVERS ON THE TRELLIS ON THE BORDER? YEAH, YEAH, IT'S LOW VOLTAGE IS 12 VOLT LIGHTING.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE STRIPS? IT'S ACTUALLY FLEXIBLE SILICONE.

WE'VE USED IT.

AND HOW MANY ROWS WOULD THERE BE? ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, ONE EIGHT.

YOU CAN PUT ONE ON EACH ONE OF THEM.

YEAH. AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL IN THE PICTURES.

IT WAS A LOT EASIER WHEN WE HAD IT IN ART, BUT IT WOULD START OUT ONE THAT WOULD BE FOUR FOOT LONG.

THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE SIX FOOT LONG AND THEN EIGHT, AND THEN IT WOULD GO ON WHERE IT WOULD BE THEIR STAIR STEPS, SO TO SPEAK.

AND IT JUST WORKS OUT IN OUR FAVOR.

THAT HIS COLORS ARE THE SAME THING AS THE HIGH SCHOOLS.

SO THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE GREEN.

THAT GREEN AND GREEN AND WHITE.

THEY'RE ALTERNATING GREEN AND WHITE.

AND THIS LIKE, IS WHAT LEVEL OF BRIGHTNESS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THEY'RE DIMMABLE IF THAT HELPS.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BRIGHTNESS AND BRIGHTNESS RUNS OFF OF A NITS OR A KELVIN.

AND WE'VE USED THEM ON TONS OF BUILDINGS.

AND I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE.

IF IT'S TOO BRIGHT, THEN JUST A SIMPLE PHONE CALL AND A SIMPLE DIMMER SWITCH.

AND THAT CAN HAPPEN THERE.

IT'S ALL DIMMABLE, 12 VOLT.

WELL, THAT'S THE THING. I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE DRIVING BY AND THINKING LIKE THEY'RE BEING WE DON'T WANT TO DISTRACT ANYBODY FROM DRIVING, PERIOD.

THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT OUR FOCUS.

I PROMISE. YOU THINK IT'S VEGAS OR SOMETHING? YES. JUST A HUNGRY PEOPLE.

HOW ABOUT THAT? THERE YOU GO.

SO TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THESE ON THESE TRELLISES NOW.

AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONTINUOUS LIGHT STRIP ACROSS THE FULL LENGTH OF EACH.

NO, SIR. EACH ONE STARTING AT THE TOP.

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HIM. I GOTCHA.

THERE YOU GO. SO RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN NOTICE THAT THIS ONE'S FOUR OR FIVE FOOT THE WHITE ONE BELOW IT IS A LITTLE LONGER.

THE GREEN ONE IS A LITTLE LONGER THAN THE WHITE ONE ABOVE IT.

AND THEY JUST KIND OF STAIR STEP ALL THE WAY OUT.

AND THEN THE SAME WAY ON THE FRONT OF THE TRELLIS HERE.

VERY GOOD. AND THEN THIS PART OF THE TRELLIS WOULD BE FOR A SIGN THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING.

ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? BEFORE WE GET INTO, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THE FRONT OF THE TRELLIS THAT AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NIGHT PICTURE HERE, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS STAIR STEPPED AS WELL.

WHAT'S WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THAT TRELLIS THERE? I'LL TELL YOU WHY I'M ASKING, BECAUSE OF THE PROMINENCE OF THAT.

I WONDER I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GET SHOT DOWN BY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE UP HERE.

I'M WONDERING WHY THE STAIR STEP? WHY DON'T YOU JUST USE IT SOLID, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S DIMMABLE? FOR ESTHETICS, BECAUSE MY CUSTOMER LIKED IT THAT WAY.

STAIR STEP IN THAT LOCATION TO ME SUGGESTS THAT LIGHTS ARE OUT, BUT THAT'S JUST MY FEEDBACK.

NO. AND I SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

AND NOT ONLY DO I OWN THE COMPANY, BUT I'M ALSO THE DESIGNER.

WE'RE A VERY SMALL COMPANY, SO MY APOLOGIES.

WE CAN LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF IT.

THIS WAS JUST SOMETHING A LITTLE SKETCHY AS OPPOSED TO JUST RUNNING LIGHTS DOWN, DOWN THE ROW.

SO LIKE A SMOKE SHOP.

AND I KEEP USING THAT TERM JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T WE DON'T WANT TO BE THAT GUY, YOU KNOW.

YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FOR NOW.

OKAY. LET US KIND OF CHEW THROUGH IT.

AND IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'LL CALL YOU RIGHT BACK.

SOUNDS GOOD. YOU BET.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

MAYBE. I GUESS, DENNIS, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYBE JUST ADVANCING THESE SLIDES KIND OF ONE BY ONE.

KIND OF WHEN WE GET INTO EACH.

I GUESS WHEREVER WE GET INTO SIGN ONE WHERE IT HAS THE, UH.

HERE. MAYBE GO ONE MORE.

THIS WAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

THESE WERE EXISTING CONFORMING MONUMENT SIGNS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN, I GUESS, FACED AND PAINTED.

THIS IS A TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNS STARTING.

UH, ONE THROUGH I GUESS SEVEN NUMBER ONES ATTACH SIGN THAT INCLUDES ZAPPERS AND WITH THE EXPOSED LED LIGHT AND THEN LIKEWISE 3A AND 3B ARE THE SAME AMPERSAND.

NUMBER TWO IS THE MURAL THAT IS JUST A PLACEHOLDER SHOWING THEIR INTENT, BUT NO APPROVAL IS BEING GRANTED OF THAT AT THIS TIME.

NUMBER FOUR IS THE EXIT AND NO ENTRY SIGN AT THE PICKUP WINDOW.

NUMBER FIVE IS THE BOX WITH AMPERSAND WITH THE ARTIFICIAL TURF.

THERE'S THE.

YEAH. MAYBE YOU JUST STALL OUT ON THIS ONE FOR A SECOND AND WE CAN GO ONE BY ONE AND JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUICK QUESTIONS OR OBJECTIONS ON ANY OF THIS.

THIS IS THE..

SO QUICK QUESTION IN DRIVING BY THERE.

AM I MISSING SOMETHING OR ARE THESE ALL ALREADY UP? THE THIS SIGN IS UP AND THE MONUMENT SIGNS ARE UP.

BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS PARTICULAR SIGN IS LIT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

GOTCHA. THAT THE LEDS, I GUESS, CALLED OUT IN THIS OR NOT? YEAH, IT'S NOT SO.

OKAY. SO I GUESS ANY OBJECTIONS HERE? WE'RE GOOD. OKAY.

LET'S MOVE ON TO SIGN TWO THEN, WHICH I THINK IS THE MURAL, WHICH WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH ANYWAY.

SO I GUESS WE'RE JUST KIND OF NOTING THAT FOR THE RECORD NUMBER OF SIGNS, SO SIGN 3A, 3A AND 3B, ANY NOTES WOULD BE THE.

YEAH, THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE THAT I HAVE A LITTLE HEARTBURN ON.

THAT'S JUST WELL, FOR ME, I GUESS THE ONLY COMMENT I SCRIBBLED HERE IS COULD WE LIVE WITH THREE FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THEY DON'T SERVE ANY PURPOSE.

THEY'RE NOT FACING ANY TRAFFIC ON THE STREET.

I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE SUPERFLUOUS.

THEY ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO PURPOSE IN IDENTIFYING THE BUSINESS OR ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

I GUESS FOR ME, THAT'S WHY THEY WERE WEREN'T OVERLY OFFENSIVE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE SEEING THEM FROM THE STREET ANYWAY.

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BUT, YOU KNOW, I'D ECHO THE COMMENTS MADE BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, TOO.

I THINK THE OTHER THING IS THE VISIBILITY THAT YOU WANT IS THAT FROM SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD, YOU HAVE IT ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND YOU HAVE IT IN THE FORM OF A MONUMENT. SIGN THESE.

THEY'RE CLUTTER, TOO. IT'S THAT'S WHY I CAN DESCRIBE THEM REGARDLESS OF SIZE.

I JUST I DON'T SEE THEM SERVING ANY PURPOSE ON THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.

CLUTTER, IT FEELS LIKE.

SO I'M HEARING EITHER NOT AT ALL OR SMALLER, I GUESS, ANY STRAW POLL HERE.

COMMISSIONER PHALEN, I WANT TO I WOULD SAY NO ON THEM ALL TOGETHER.

OKAY. THERE WE GO.

I'LL JUST IF YOU DON'T MIND NOTING THAT REGARDLESS OF HOW I FEEL ABOUT THEM, THAT'S OKAY.

DAN YOU'RE IMPORTANT AND WE CONSIDER YOUR FEELINGS AT ALL TIMES.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M JUST UP HERE AT THE BEHEST OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

I'M SORRY, NUMBER FOUR.

AND HOLD ON REALLY SPECIFICALLY SIGNS.

SO 3A AND 3B SPECIFICALLY.

THE RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO ALLOW THOSE.

SO THAT'S AN ITEM SIGN FOR WHICH IS THE LEDS, WHICH I'M PERSONALLY FINE WITH.

WE'VE DONE IT FOR OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND HERE.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A NICE TOUCH.

I THINK IT GIVES IT A MODERN LOOK AND BEING PROGRAMABLE AND DIMMABLE IS GOING TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE.

ALL RIGHT. AN ITEM OR SIGN FIVE, THE LOGO AGAIN, WHICH IS IN THE INTERIOR OF THIS OUTSIDE SEATING AREA, WHICH I THINK.

UM. WELL, I THINK YOU PROBABLY WOULD STRUGGLE TO EVEN SEE IT FROM THE PARKING LOT.

SO I GUESS I'D LIKE TO.

THAT'S I AGREE WITH THAT PART.

I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THIS IS NOT INTRUSIVE AT ALL.

IT'S JUST IT'S MORE LIKE A MURAL THAN IT IS.

I LIKE IT, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE DAMAGING.

EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND IT'S NOT LIT.

YEAH. MY ONLY CONCERN ON THIS ONE IS THE FAKE GREENERY.

I AM NOT A FAN OF FAKE GREENERY.

REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT IS.

I AGREE IT'S NOT INTRUSIVE AND IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING THERE.

BUT YOU'VE GOT MAINTENANCE ISSUES WITH FAKE GREENERY.

I JUST. I SEE THIS BEING A NIGHTMARE AND WOULD JUST ASSUME THAT IT BE SOLID PAINTERS.

WHY DON'T THAT WHY DON'T WE CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP AT THE END OF THIS AND JUST HAVE HIM ADDRESS THE MATERIAL AND SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS? ITEM SIGN SIX.

THERE YOU GO, SIGN SIX IS JUST REALLY DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, I THINK, WHICH ADMITTEDLY THAT WAS WHEN WE DID THE SITE PLAN OF THIS.

THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN TO MAKE SURE WE DID THAT DRIVE THROUGH ALL RIGHT.

SO I GUESS, ARE WE GOOD WITH THESE? YES. ALL RIGHT.

SEE, NO OBJECTIONS.

OKAY. SO THAT'S.

AND THIS IS THE LAST THING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, THE 25.

I'M I'M FINE WITH THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE.

AND I GUESS I'M BACK TO CLUTTER AGAIN.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON NOT TO CONFORM TO THE CITY ORDINANCE OF 10%.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT LOOKING LIKE A SMOKE SHOT, IF YOU GO TO SHOP, YOU GO TO 25%.

I THINK YOU START AND WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT ABOUT THIS AND GET MORE CONTENT.

SO I GUESS THIS WAS THE LAST ONE, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. SO WHY DON'T WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO GO AHEAD, COME BACK UP, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

MAYBE ADDRESS THIS LAST QUESTION.

THE 10% VERSUS THE 25% WHERE AND KIND OF WHAT THE DESIRE IS.

AND THEN MAYBE ADDRESS THE COMMENT ON THE GREENERY OF SIGN.

UM, SO AS FAR AS YOUR 10% VERSUS THE 25%.

IT WAS. IT WAS JUST BECAUSE THEIR LOGO IS THE WAY THEIR LOGO IS.

AND IF WE DID 10% OF ALL OF THE WINDOWS ON ONE, THEN WE WOULD ONLY END UP WITH ONE WINDOW WITH ONE LOGO, SO TO SPEAK.

AND IF THEY WANTED TO DO A GREEN BORDER ALONG THE BOTTOM OR A WHITE BAND ALONG ALONG THE BOTTOM WITH THE GREEN BORDER, IT WOULD IT WOULD VERY EASILY BECOME.

TOO MUCH.

SO THE REASON WE WENT WITH 25% FOR EACH WINDOW, IF WE WANTED TO DO A GREEN AND WHITE BAND IN A LOGO ON MULTIPLE WINDOWS, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT ON MULTIPLE WINDOWS, IT WOULD GIVE US THAT OPTION.

SO. EXPLAIN THAT TO ME A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS THE SIGN GOES.

I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PHYSICAL I MEAN, LIKE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE LIKE AMPERSAND SIGNS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO JUST HANG IN THE WINDOW.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF? NO, NO, NO, NO. JUST VINYL GRAPHICS, JUST FIRST SURFACE APPLIQUÉ.

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BUT IS THIS SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING ON A REGULAR BASIS? AND THAT AND ANOTHER REASON FOR THE 25%, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE SEASONAL OR WHATEVER.

I MEAN, THE ANSWER IS MAYBE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO I MEAN, NOBODY WANTS TO PUT VINYL ON THEIR WINDOWS AND LEAVE IT UP FOREVER BECAUSE IT DOESN'T.

BUT YOU SEE, LIKE MCDONALD'S AND PLACES LIKE THAT, THEY CHANGE BASED ON WHAT THEIR SPECIAL IS THIS MONTH.

WELL, AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE TO THAT EXTREME.

BUT IF IT WAS I MEAN, THIS IS A THIS IS AN UPSCALE SALAD PLACE.

SO THEY MAY THEY MAY HAVE PUMPKIN FOR FOR OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER.

I DON'T KNOW. SO IT WAS IT WAS GIVING GIVING OPTIONS FOR THE FUTURE WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK IN HERE AND AND MEET WITH CITY COUNCIL EVERY SEASON, SO TO SPEAK.

WHAT'S AND MAYBE WE'LL DELIBERATE HERE IN A SECOND.

DO YOU MIND JUST ADDRESSING THE OTHER THE BOXWOOD SIGN? YEAH, THE BOXWOOD SIGN IS IS FOR PHOTO OPS AND EVERY SIGN WE'VE EVER DONE FOR THEM.

AND YOU'LL. YOU'LL SEE MULTIPLE ONES THAT WE'VE DONE.

I MEAN, I MAY AGREE WITH YOU ON ON, YOU KNOW, FAKE GREENERY, BUT THAT'S WHAT BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE.

SOME OF THEIRS HAD LIGHTS IN THEM ORIGINALLY, AND SOME OF THEM DID NOT.

IT'S IT'S PRETTY CLASSY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WHEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU GET YOUR PHOTO NEXT TO IT AND YOU CAN HASHTAG OR WHATEVER THESE KIDS DO THESE DAYS, INSTAGRAM.

YEAH, CORRECT.

BUT THEY'RE VERY THEY'RE VERY TASTEFULLY DONE THERE.

I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THEY'RE VERY WELL BUILT ONLY BECAUSE I'M, I BUILT THEM SO.

I MEAN MAYBE ANOTHER QUESTION, DENNIS.

IF THE FACT THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS JUST MISSING TWO WALLS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE, IF IT HAD TWO WALLS IN THE NORTH OR SOUTH SIDE, WOULD WE EVEN BE TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW? I BELIEVE SO.

I THINK THE DISTANCE IF THERE WERE A IF IT WAS COMPLETELY ENCLOSED AND NO WINDOWS, YEAH, WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT.

IF THERE I MEAN, IF THERE WAS WINDOWS HERE AND IT'S TEN FEET OR LESS FROM THE WINDOW, IT WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED A SIGN IF IT CAN BE SEEN FROM THAT WINDOW.

I MEAN THIS, THIS FACE JUST LITERALLY FACES THE DRIVE THRU WINDOW.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S IT'S FACING TRAFFIC AND IT'S NOT TO GET PEOPLE TO SEE IT FROM THE ROAD.

IT'S LITERALLY THERE FOR A PHOTO OP AND THAT'S IT.

OKAY. I THINK WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED.

OKAY. SO LET US DELIBERATE REAL QUICK.

ANY THOUGHTS ON THE I GUESS THE VERY FIRST THING WE TALKED ABOUT, THE 25% VERSUS 10% COMMISSION.

I HAVE A QUESTION ACTUALLY FOR MAYBE FOR STAFF.

HAVE WE APPROVED ANYTHING LIKE THE WINDOW INCREASING FROM 10% FOR OTHER? I DON'T RECALL THAT COMING THROUGH THE SIGN BOARD.

WE APPROVED MANY OF THOSE.

NOT NOT THAT I RECALL.

OKAY. THAT'S INTERESTING.

I THINK I LIKE TEN.

WE'LL PROBABLY STICK WITH TEN ON THAT.

AND I GUESS YOU CAN ALWAYS MAYBE THE WAY THIS WILL WORK IS THIS WILL BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.

SO YOU CAN TAKE THIS.

THIS, ASSUMING IT GETS A FAVORABLE VOTE, WOULD MOVE FORWARD AS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AT THAT LEVEL.

YOU COULD SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT THE TEN VERSUS 25%.

YOU CAN STILL PLEAD YOUR CASE.

THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT YOU CAN STILL PLEAD YOUR CASE AND THEY CAN OPINE HOW THEY FEEL LIKE TOO.

SO JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S KIND OF STILL YOUR OPTION.

SO BUT I THINK THIS, I THINK, WILL STICK TO 10% ON THIS ONE.

SO WE'LL PROBABLY DENY THE VARIANCE FOR THAT SPECIFIC ITEM.

AND THEN ON THE AMPERSAND.

I GUESS I HAVEN'T SIGNED FIVE.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT I GUESS I'LL DEFER TO OTHERS ON THAT.

I LIKE IT. COMMISSIONER PHALEN LIKES IT.

THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. NOT VERY VISIBLE.

I MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT I'M FINE WITH IT.

I THINK THE 10% AND SO 10% GOES AWAY.

AND I THINK COMMISSIONERS SIGNS THREE, A THREE BE GO AWAY.

OTHERWISE, WE ARE GOOD.

AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THAT.

WE'LL SEE IF IT PASSES AS A RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL.

IF YOU GO TALK TO THEM ON DECEMBER, I LOST THE DATE SIXTH.

YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO BRING UP THOSE OTHER ITEMS AND SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE.

BUT THEY MAY AGREE WITH US.

THEY TYPICALLY DO. SO WE'VE DONE OUR BEST.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA.

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NOTING ON SIGN NUMBER TWO THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR SPECIFIC APPROVAL SINCE THERE'S NOT A MURAL ON THAT APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

SPECIFICALLY DENYING RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR SIGNS THREE A AND THREE B RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ON SIGN 4, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ON SIGN FIVE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ON SIGN SIX AND RECOMMENDING DENIAL ON THE WINDOW SIGNS FOR 25% THAT THEY NEED TO STAY AT 10%. I THINK WE'VE GOT A MOTION.

WE NEED A SECOND. NO.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I PASSED SIX ZERO.

GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL AND HOPE YOU RECOVERED FROM YOUR ILLNESS IN GOOD SHAPE.

SO THANKS FOR MAKING IT OUT.

OKAY. LAST ITEM ON ANY OF OUR AGENDAS THIS EVENING.

[6. Consider: SV22-0014 Sign Variance for The Capital Grille located at 1201 E. SH 114, Southlake, Texas.]

WE DID THE SITE PLAN CASE ON THIS EARLIER THIS EVENING.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SIGN VARIANCE CASE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THE PRIMARY COMPONENTS OF THIS VARIANCE ARE JUST EXCEEDING THE NUMBER OF PERMITTED ATTACHED SIGNS.

SIGN F AND G ARE EXISTING MONUMENT SIGNS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED WITH THE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE.

AND THEY WILL BE PLACING PANEL INSERTS FOR THIS PARTICULAR RESTAURANT.

IN THOSE SIGNS, THE SIGN A IS A SIGN THAT WOULD BE APPLIED TO THE AWNING STRUCTURE.

IT WOULD BE A INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGN WITH WHITE LETTERS AS SHOWN DAYTIME, NIGHTTIME AND THE LOWER PORTION LOWER RIGHT PORTION OF THE EXHIBIT HERE SIGN B WOULD BE AN ATTACHED SIGN THAT IS A DARK COLOR DAYTIME AND THEN HALO LIT AT NIGHT.

DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SIGN ORDINANCE AND THE PROPOSAL ARE SHOWN IN THE CHART HERE.

AND CONTINUING ON THE EAST FACADE, THERE WOULD BE TWO PLAQUES APPLIED TO ENTRY STATUES AT THE DOORWAY INTO THE RESTAURANT.

AND EXHIBIT OF THAT PLAQUE SHOWN IN THE UPPER LEFT.

AND ON THE WEST FACADE, SIMILAR TO THE EAST FACADE ATTACHED SIGN HERE WOULD BE A REVERSE HALO LIT SIGNAGE LOOKING AT A DARK COLOR DAYTIME AND THEN THE HALO LIT AT NIGHTTIME.

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SIGN VARIANCE PROPOSAL AND THE ORDNANCE ARE SHOWN ON THE CHART.

AND ON THE NORTH SIDE, SIMILAR TO EAST AND WEST WOULD BE THE CUT LETTERS WITH THE HALO LIGHTING.

THESE ARE THE PANEL INSERTS THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED IN THE EXISTING MONUMENT SIGNS.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

APPLICANTS HERE AS WELL.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF, DENNIS? WHAT WERE THE DIMENSIONS ON THE EAST AND WEST FOR LOLO'S? WERE THEY THIS LARGE? AND I, I AM ABSENT OF A COMPARISON OTHER THAN SOME PREEXISTING SIGNAGE I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TO.

I DO NOT KNOW.

AND I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT.

I MEAN, IT WAS MORE COLORFUL THAN THIS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY WERE.

AND THE LOLO SIGN DID ALSO, I THINK, PERCEIVED YELLOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

RED MAYBE. CORRECT.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S THE EXACT COMPARISON I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF IN MY HEAD THAT THIS PROPOSAL VERSUS WHAT WAS THERE.

YEAH. SO.

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WOULD WE MAYBE JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS ONE BY ONE AND THEN WE'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT UP TO.

OKAY. YEAH.

LET'S DO THAT? MAYBE DENNIS WOULD DO IT THE SAME WAY.

WE'LL JUST FLIP THROUGH IT. SIGN BY SIGN.

I'M GOING TO PROBABLY UPSET MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS BY SAYING I'M FINE AS IS, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME TICKY TACKY.

SECOND, THE VICE CHAIR HERE, BUT DEFINITELY A BIG UPGRADE LOOKS NICE.

BUT ANYWAY, SIGN A.

ANY COMMENTS ON SIGN A.

IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE.

ALL RIGHT. WOW.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE NICEST COMPLIMENT YOU'VE HAD ABOUT ANY SIGN EVER.

SIGN B PLEASE.

ANYTHING ABOUT SIGN B? I'M A LITTLE I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE OVERALL SIZE BECAUSE THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING IN PARTICULAR FACES A PARKING LOT.

IT'S NOT NEEDED TO DRAW IN TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING IN THAT, AND WE'RE PUTTING THE ONE ON THE AWNING.

SO I'M MORE LEANING TOWARDS STICKING WITH THE ORDINANCE STRAW POLL AMONGST FELLOW COMMISSIONERS CONCERNED ABOUT SIZE OR NOT.

COMMISSIONER PHELAN. I MEAN, IT IS QUITE A BIT BIGGER THAN THE VARIANCES.

SO I WOULD SAY MAYBE A LITTLE SMALLER.

OKAY. I THINK I AGREE WITH..

COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS.

I DON'T KNOW. WE YOU KNOW, WE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, WE HAD THAT PENDANT COME THROUGH ON THAT ON SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.

THAT WAS LIKE FOUR OR FIVE FEET AND THEY ENDED UP SHRINKING UP TO FOUR.

AND COUNCIL WAS GOOD WITH THAT.

THIS IS THREE FEET, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

I THINK IT KIND OF ADDS TO THE SORT OF THE GRANDNESS OF IT WITH THE VOLUME AND THE HEIGHT AND THE THAT A THAT WHERE THE A IS THE FEATURE.

OTHER THAN SIZE, IT'S VERY SIMPLE.

AND I THINK I THINK IT WAS CLEAN.

AND WE'RE TAKING TWO TENANT SPACES AND COMBINING THEM INTO ONE HERE.

RIGHT. SO I MEAN EFFECTIVELY WE ARE KIND OF GETTING RID OF A SIGN BY DOING THAT BY ITSELF, SO I'M OKAY WITH IT.

COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I ALWAYS LIKE TO LOOK AT WHEN WE LOOK AT SIGNS IS, IS IT TO SCALE WITH THE BUILDING? AND WHILE I MAY THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIG, I THINK IT IS TO SCALE.

I THINK IF YOU SHRUNK IT MUCH, YOU LOSE THE THE EYE CATCHING ASPECT OF THAT FACADE, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS WAS THE OTHER RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT WAS THERE.

SO I'M FINE WITH IT AS PROPOSED.

YEAH. MR. FOREMAN OR VICE CHAIR FOREMAN, ASSUMING YOU'RE OKAY.

YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH ALL OF THEM.

YEP. OKAY.

OKAY. WELL, MAYBE WE'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT UP AND WE'LL JUST SEE WHAT WE THINK.

BUT I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A 4 TO 2 ON THAT ONE.

SORRY. I KNOW.

I KNOW. SOMETIMES YOU WIN, SOMETIMES YOU LOSE.

OK SIGNS E1 AND E2, WHICH I GUESS ARE THE LIONS HERE, WHICH. MAY NOT BE WHAT I'D PUT IN MY FRONT YARD, BUT I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

I KNOW. WHAT IS THIS, LIKE THE CAPITAL OF WHAT, ROME.

I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE GOING HERE.

FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, THEY'RE IN FRONT OF ALL THEIR OTHER RESTAURANTS.

JUST SAYING.

SIGN C, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

SIGN B, BUT THIS IS THE 114 SIDE.

BUT I THINK THIS ONE IS A LITTLE SMALLER IF I'M REMEMBERING, RIGHT? YEAH. SO I'M ASSUMING MAYBE KIND OF SORT OF THE SAME TWO FOUR, TWO TWO SENTIMENT ON THAT ONE.

OH NO, NO, I AGREE.

THIS ONE, I THINK THIS ONE ACTUALLY IS IS A BENEFICIAL SIGN THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR RECOGNITION FROM A DISTANCE AND FROM THE ROAD.

BUT IT'S JUST THE OTHER ONE IS FACING A PARKING LOT.

FIRST FEW WORDS WERE AGAIN ONES I'VE NEVER HEARD YOU SAY BEFORE.

SO THAT'S..

WELL IT SEEMS LIKE THE PEOPLE HERE FROM THE CAPITAL GRILLE HAVE PRETTY MUCH DONE THEIR HOMEWORK AND SO THEY'VE MADE IT EASY.

OKAY, SO SIGN C I THINK WE'RE GENERALLY OKAY WITH AND LAST ONE SIGN D.

ANY ISSUES HERE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO WHY DON'T WE CALL THE APPLICANT UP NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

COME ON UP. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND REALLY, I THINK ALL YOU NEED TO ADDRESS FOR US IS SIGN B, THE SIZE OF THAT SIGN, AND MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, TALK THROUGH KIND OF WHY IT IS THAT WAY, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

EXCUSE ME. BEFORE WE GO BACK THERE, COULD WE GO BACK TO SIGN D? BECAUSE I SEE THE DEPICTION OF THE SIGN ON THE BUILDING AS A DIFFERENT LAYOUT THAN WHAT'S IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND PART OF THAT SLIDE.

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I DON'T LIKE SPENDING SPREADING THE WORD GRILL ALL THE WAY ACROSS THAT FACADE.

OH YEAH, IT'S A GOOD CATCH, I GUESS.

WHICH, SIR? WHICH ONE? YOU SEE THE WORD GRILL, I GUESS.

WHICH ONE ARE WE APPROVING HERE.

IS IT. I WAS THE SIGN AT NIGHT.

IS THAT JUST A SIGN AT NIGHT? AND IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THIS COMPRESSED.

I BELIEVE IT'S MORE ON THE TOP TWO.

YOU CAN KIND OF TELL EVEN ON THE I THINK THE DAY NIGHT DEPICTION OR THE NIGHT DEPICTION MIGHT BE A SLIGHT TYPO.

IT'S THE TOP ONE. TOP, RIGHT? YEAH. ANY JUST STRAW POLL ON THAT.

I DON'T LIKE IT AS WELL. YEAH.

DON'T LIKE IT. GOT A I LIKE THE NIGHT VISION.

NIGHT VISION. VERTICAL ONE.

UM. I'M FINE WITH WHICHEVER ONE THE APPLICANT WANTS.

AGREE. SAME FOR THAT ONE'S FOR TWO.

SORRY, ONE'S FOR TWO. THE OTHER WAY.

WE'LL JUST. WE'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I THINK WE'RE FINE WITH WHAT YOU INTENDED TO PRESENT.

WELL, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT IN THE MOTION.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

NO, NO. GOOD. CATCH TWO DIFFERENT SIGNS THERE.

SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO CLEAN THAT UP BEFORE CITY COUNCIL PRESENTATION.

YES, SIR. BUT GO AHEAD.

NO GOOD INTERRUPTION. GO BACK TO THE OTHER SIGN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE.

YEAH. MY NAME IS THOMAS TANNER.

FORT WORTH, TEXAS 1728 OVERLAND STREET.

FORT WORTH. I REPRESENT FIRST AND MAIN.

I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME AND CONSIDERATION FOR OUR ASSIGNED VARIANTS.

I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS NINE B.

WE FEEL THAT IT IS VERY VISIBLE FROM THE WESTBOUND 114 TRAFFIC AND THE FACT THAT IT IS FACING IT IS A LARGER THAN THE CURRENT RESTAURANT AND IT DOES FACE KIND OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS A VERY COMPETITIVE SHOPPING CENTER.

AND WE JUST WANT THE MOST EXPOSURE THAT WE CAN.

BUT STILL WITH THE HALO LIGHT, WE'LL STILL MAKE IT A SUBTLE IT'S NOT GOING TO HIT YOU IN THE FACE WITH IT.

IT'S STILL GOING TO BE SUBTLE AT NIGHT.

AND SO WE JUST FEEL THAT WITH THE EXPOSURE FROM THE WESTBOUND TRAFFIC ON 114 THAT IT IS VERY NECESSARY AND IT IS ONLY IT'S MARGINALLY OVER THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

IF YOU ADD THAT SIGN PLUS THE ONE OVER THE AWNING, IT'S ONLY THREE SQUARE FEET OVER THE ORDINANCE.

SO IT'S NOT ABNORMALLY LARGE.

IT'S NOT EXCESSIVELY LARGE FOR THE AMOUNT ALLOWED.

MAYBE IN EITHER. I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM 114.

NOBODY GOING WEST AND 114 IS GOING TO BE LOOKING UP THERE.

THEY'RE TRYING TO STAY ALIVE.

THEY'RE NOT LOOKING UP THERE. YOU CAN'T READ IL CALABRESE SIGN OVER THERE GOING ON 114 AND IT'S CLOSE TO THE ROAD.

NOW, THAT'S THE DR. SPRINGER, REMEMBER? THE ONLY COMMENT I MAKE, I LOVE THE SPACING ON THE WORD GRILLE ON THIS ONE, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS PARTIAL WHEN WE GOT THE D TO NOT SPREADING THE LETTERS OUT. JUST TO COVER A SPACE YOU'VE GOT TO COVER.

IT'S JUST IT'S JUST INPUT.

AND AS YOU CARRY FORWARD, YOU'RE GOING TO SELECT THE ONE THAT YOU CHOOSE.

I WOULD RECOMMEND WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE NOT PRESENT BOTH OF THEM ON THE SLIDE, THOUGH.

I WILL. WE'LL DEFINITELY CLEAN THAT UP GOING FORWARD.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT HERE? I'D LIKE TO JUST TOUCH ON THE THE PLAQUE ALSO UNDERNEATH THE STATUE.

IT'S IT'S A NON LIT SIGN AND IT'S BASICALLY JUST LIKE A PLAQUE THAT YOU WOULD PUT ON A TROPHY.

AND IT'S A STAPLE, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A STAPLE AT THE AT THEIR CHAIN O THE PLAQUE ON THE ON THE TROPHY.

IT'S NON-ILLUMINATED.

YES. OKAY. THEY'RE NOT OR I'M SORRY, WHATEVER, LIKE A TROPHY STATUE, BUT IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT IT WOULD BE ON A TROPHY.

ON A TROPHY. IT'S A NON LIT.

OKAY. AND IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S A STAPLE OF THEIR.

OH, OKAY. I SEE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY APPROVING THE LION PER SE.

WE'RE APPROVING THE SIGN BELOW THE RIGHT.

JUST THE. WOW WE GET DETAILED HERE.

AND WHAT DOES THE PLAQUE SAY? CAPITAL GRILLE. YEAH, I'D HAVE IT'S CAPITAL GRILLE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT 7:53 P.M.? NO. OKAY.

WE'RE GOOD. OKAY.

THANK YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

OKAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT BETWEEN VARIOUS VIEWPOINTS HERE AND MR. VICE CHAIR, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

ONE POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION HERE IS TO APPROVE IT, AS IS NOTING THAT THE CAPITAL GRILLE E, WHICH WAS

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YEP. SHOULD BE ONE OF THE TOP RIGHT, NOT THE OTHER ONE.

IS THAT ONE POTENTIAL WAY TO GO HERE? AND WE JUST SEE IF THAT ONE CARRIES THE DAY THAT THAT VOTE.

YEAH. OR I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THEY AGREE TO COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL AND MAKE A CHOICE AND NOT HAVE BOTH LET THEM DECIDE BUT .. YEAH YEAH. I THINK YEAH I THINK THEY WANTED THE TOP OF A RIGHT ONE BUT YEAH, I'M FINE WITH WHATEVER.

YEAH. MAYBE, MAYBE WE MAKE THAT MOTION.

WE SEE IF THAT CARRIES.

THAT'S GREAT. IF NOT, WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT DOES.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA AS V 20 2-001 FOR SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 11TH, 2022, NOTING RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL ON ALL SIGNS AND NOTING FOR SIGN D THAT THE APPLICANT MAKE A CHOICE BETWEEN THE TWO OPTIONS AND NOTING COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER'S PREFERENCE FOR THE WORD GRILL TO BE MORE CLOSELY SPACED TOGETHER.

WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY, LET'S GIVE IT A VOTE.

AND WOW, AFTER A LOT OF DISCUSSION PASSES SIX ZERO, I WILL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT I DID RECEIVE A COMMENT FROM A RESIDENT ONLINE THAT SUGGESTED CHANGING THOSE LIONS TO DRAGONS.

SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU CAN LOOK INTO, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR SECOND ROUND PLAYOFF GAME THIS WEEKEND.

SO WITH THAT, CONGRATULATIONS, GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ON DECEMBER 6TH AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.