Feb 09, 2023 Sign Board

[1. Call to Order.]

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GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. IT'S 6:37 PM ON FEBRUARY 9TH, 2023.

WELCOME TO THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE SIGN BOARD MEETING.

THERE IS NO PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING THIS EVENING, WHICH I'M SURE IS VERY DISAPPOINTING TO EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU FOR COMING TO CITY HALL TONIGHT FOR THIS MEETING.

SHORT AGENDA, I GUESS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HOP RIGHT INTO IT.

ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS THIS EVENING.

NO, NO COMMENTS.

OKAY. I GUESS THE ONLY THING I'D STATE IS THAT POTENTIALLY THE MEETING ON THE 23RD OF THIS MONTH MAY GET CANCELED.

[3. Chairman Comments.]

THAT IS THE APPEARANCE RIGHT NOW THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE A FEBRUARY 23RD PLANNING AND ZONING OR SIGN BOARD MEETING.

OKAY. GOOD TO KNOW.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE DOWN THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.

[5. Consider: Approving the minutes from the November 17, 2022, Sign Board Meeting.]

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THOSE BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA.

A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

VOTE, PLEASE? PASSES SIX ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX UNDER AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS SIGN VARIANCE FOR BOBA CHICKEN ON SOUTHLAKE

[6. Consider: SV23-0001, Sign Variance for Boba Chicken located at 2801 E. Southlake Blvd, Suite 100, Southlake, Texas.]

SO I THINK WE'LL JUST KIND OF HIT THE HIGH POINTS HERE IN TERMS OF STAFF AND CONGRATULATE MS. JENNY ON HER NEW POSITION HERE AS.

AND MAKE SURE I SAY IT CORRECTLY DENNIS.

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

I FIGURED YOU'D KNOW THAT TITLE, SO I FIGURED I'D LET YOU ANNOUNCE IT.

SO CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME.

AND WE'LL WE'LL TRY TO MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU THIS TIME.

BOBA CHICKEN IS REQUESTING VARIANCES FOR LETTER HEIGHT, LOGO HEIGHT, SIGN AREA, LOGO AREA, SIGN TYPE AND FACE LIGHTING COLOR.

THEY ARE PERMITTED A MAXIMUM LETTER HIGH OF 30.7 INCHES.

THE REQUESTED LETTER HEIGHT IS 36 INCHES AND THAT'S INCLUDING THE FULL BUBBLE AROUND THE LETTERS.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE INDIVIDUAL LETTERS, THERE ARE 27 INCHES.

MAXIMUM LOGO HEIGHT IS ALLOWED TO BE 38.38 INCHES.

THE REQUESTED LOGO HEIGHT IS 48 INCHES.

THE ALLOWED SIGN AREA IS 28.5 SQUARE FEET.

THE PROPOSED SIGN AREA IS 61 SQUARE FEET.

LOGO AREA IS ALLOWED TO BE 5.7 SQUARE FEET AND THE REQUESTED LOGO AREA IS 18.3 SQUARE FEET.

THEY ARE REQUESTING A CHANNEL BOX SIGN OR A CAPSULE SIGN AND THE FACE LIGHTING IS GOING TO BE A NON NEUTRAL COLOR.

DO YOU MIND ALSO PUTTING UP THE PICTURE THAT SHOWS JUST FROM THE STREET, I GUESS.

PERFECT. EXACTLY.

SO THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS SIGN, WHICH WAS TO ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF SIZE.

YES. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE STREET, WHICH PERSONALLY, I'D SAY IT'S A LITTLE SMALL.

THAT'S I GUESS WE'LL GET INTO THAT OBJECTIVENESS HERE SHORTLY.

BUT THIS SIGN WAS DID NOT HAVE ANY VARIANCES RELATED TO SIGN TYPE OR ILLUMINATION, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE'LL ASK ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE THEM.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THIS ITEM TONIGHT? OR ANY OF YOU THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM, I GUESS.

THIS IS JUST THE PART OF THE MEETING WHERE YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

I'M THE PART OF PARTNER I'M CHUCK.

HI I AM PART OF PARTNER MY NAME IS MINGO.

PART OF THE PARTNER MY NAME IS BOWEN.

OH, WELL, NICE TO MEET YOU ALL.

NICE TO MEET YOU. UM, AND I THINK THIS IS JUST GENERALLY AND I GUESS SO YOU'RE THE OWNER.

YOU'RE NOT THE SIGN COMPANY, SO YOU'RE NOT KIND OF IN THE DETAILS ON THAT.

BUT I GUESS WE MAY HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON IT IN TERMS OF AS WE KIND OF DELIBERATE IT.

I MEAN, I GUESS MYSELF AND I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I THINK I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE SIZE REQUESTS GIVEN THIS LOCATION'S HISTORICALLY HAD A LOT OF TURNOVER TO IT AND FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE.

AND IT IS A LITTLE CHALLENGING MAYBE FOR SOME OF US TO SEE FROM THE ROAD.

BUT I GUESS I GUESS WITH RESPECT TO THE SIGN TYPE AND ILLUMINATION VARIANCES, I GUESS CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOSE? BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS SIGN DIDN'T HAVE THOSE AND IT JUST IT ENDS UP BEING A LITTLE BIT OF A SLIPPERY SLOPE FOR US IN TERMS OF IF WE GRANT IT IN ONE CIRCUMSTANCE, THEN WE START

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AND THAT THAT HAS LESS TO DO WITH SIZE AND VISIBILITY AS IT DOES JUST STYLISTIC MANNER OF THE SIGN.

AND I GUESS STAFF CAN KIND OF EXPLAIN SOME OF THAT, IF THAT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE NOT EVERY DAY SIGN PEOPLE.

SO DOES THAT HELP I GUESS? IS THERE ANY CONTEXT? YES, I THINK SO.

I THINK THE SIGNS ARE PRETTY YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING IS PRETTY FAR AWAY FROM THE SOUTHSIDE BOULEVARD.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FEET.

STAFF CAN GO TO THE PREVIOUS PICTURE TO SHOW.

YEAH. NO, I THINK I THINK WE AGREE ON THAT FOR SURE.

YOU CAN BARELY SEE THE LIKE BEFORE THE BEANVOY COFFEE SHOP.

YOU CAN BARELY YOU CAN SEE THERE FROM THERE FROM HERE.

THAT'S THE REASON WE WANT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.

YOU CAN SEE BY THE FRONT OF THE ROAD.

OKAY. AND I THINK I MEAN, AGAIN, JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I THINK I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THAT COMMENT, BUT IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE SIZE, BUT IT'S THE TYPE IN TERMS OF AND AND MAYBE, I GUESS, DENNIS OR JENNY, DO YOU MIND KIND OF DESCRIBING WHAT THE SIGN VARIANCE IS FOR THE SIGN TYPE AND THE ILLUMINATION RELATIVE TO THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL? I GUESS, AND MAYBE YOU CAN KIND OF SHOW IT.

OKAY, I'M SORRY THAT WAY IT WILL GET RECORDED FOR THE RECORD.

SO. YEAH.

SO YOU'RE REQUESTING A CAPSULE SIGN.

IT'S KIND OF A BOX SIGN WHERE THE BOBA CHICKEN IS ALL KIND OF ONE THING VERSUS WHAT WE ALLOW IS OUR INDIVIDUALLY MOUNTED LETTERS WHERE EACH, EACH LETTER IS AN INDIVIDUAL.

I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE YOU CAN SHOW.

YOU CAN SHOW THE PREVIOUS SIGN.

MAYBE THAT WILL KIND OF HELP VISUALLY DESCRIBE IT.

JUST HOW. IF YOU LIKE [INAUDIBLE] DON'T LOOK SO MUCH AT SIZE.

LOOK AT THE STYLE OF IT THAT IT'S INDIVIDUAL LETTERS.

I GUESS SO. THAT'S ONE QUESTION.

AND THEN THE ILLUMINATION ONE, JENNY, I GUESS, IS THAT.

BECAUSE THE SIGN IS GOING TO LOOK ORANGE BECAUSE IT'S A CABINET SIGN AN ORANGE GOLD COLOR.

YEAH. SO WE WE REQUIRE FOR THE SIGNS TO BE A NEUTRAL COLOR, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT, I GUESS THE PREVIOUS SIGN, IF YOU SHOW THAT ONE AGAIN.

I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WAY YEAH.

I MEAN IT'S A LITTLE THE SAME THING GENERALLY IT'S A NEUTRAL COLOR WHICH IS KIND OF GENERALLY WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR ON THOSE.

BUT, BUT DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ON THE SIZE FOR SURE.

AT LEAST I DO. WE'LL SEE WHAT OTHERS THINK.

AND JUST TO POINT OUT, POKEWORKS IS IT'S IT IT HAS LIKE KIND OF A YELLOW ORANGE COLOR TO IT.

BUT WHEN IT LIGHTS UP, IT'S IT'S A WHITE.

SO AT NIGHT IT LIGHTS UP. IT LOOKS NEUTRAL? YEAH.

OKAY. DOES ANY OF THAT HELP? I GUESS WITH THE DESCRIPTION, IT'S NOT NOT SO MUCH A SIZE.

WELL, THE YOU KNOW, THE POKEWORKS.

THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S MINE, TOO. YOU KNOW.

YOU KNOW, IF AT NIGHT YOU COULDN'T SEE IT FROM THE FRONT STREET BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CALL IT.

IT'S A BACKLIT.

BACKLIT YES. IT'S A LITTLE BIT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE IT FROM THE STREET.

EVEN THE POKEWORKS. THAT'S THE REASON WE WANT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE FRONT ONE.

WELL, WE CAN WE CAN KIND OF DELIBERATE UP HERE, BUT MAYBE MAYBE ONE, BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN THESE MOVE ON TO COUNCIL, THEY'D LIKE TO AT LEAST SEE MAYBE SOME OPTIONS.

SO MAYBE MAYBE SOMETHING WE COULD SUGGEST IS AND WE'LL JUST SEE WHAT OTHERS THINK OR WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION MIGHT BE.

BUT AT A MINIMUM, FOR COUNCIL, YOU COULD BRING KIND OF BOTH VERSIONS AND YOU CAN MAYBE STATE YOUR CASE AS TO WHY YOU THINK ONE IS BETTER AND MORE VISIBLE THAN THE OTHER.

AND THAT WAY THEY'LL HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM.

THEY CAN DECIDE THAT NIGHT VERSUS, RIGHT, TABLING IT AND SAY OH, WE WANT TO SEE THIS OR THAT, BUT YOU'VE GOT IT ALL.

THEY'RE ALL READY TO GO. SO MAYBE LIKE SHOWING BOTH VERSIONS OF IT COULD BE HELPFUL TO TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET AN OUTCOME AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS. DO OTHERS WANT TO WEIGH IN HERE? I DON'T WANT TO. I MEAN, IF EVERYBODY'S FINE AS IS AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE CAN JUST TAKE A VOTE OR.

YEAH, WELL, I UNDERSTAND YOUR YOUR WANTING IT TO BE MORE VISIBLE FROM SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE DRIVING DOWN SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT ANYWAY.

SO MY QUESTION THOUGH, IS, IS DID YOU GUYS HAVE A SIGN COMPANY DO THIS FOR YOU OR IS THIS SOMETHING YOU GUYS JUST CAME UP WITH? WELL, WE DID WE DID HAVE THIS IS PART OF A LOGO AND ALSO A SIGN COMPANY ALSO DID FOR US, TOO.

OKAY. SO THE LOGO IS SOME ESTABLISHED THING, OR IS THAT JUST I MEAN, ARE YOU A ONE OFF STORE ONLY? ARE YOU ONLY ONE STORE? YOU'RE THIS IS YOUR FIRST STORE? THIS IS THE FIRST STORE.

OKAY. SO THIS LOGO IS YOUR LOGO? YES. YEAH.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW MYSELF.

I'M A LITTLE LEERY ABOUT THE COLOR AND THE BOX SIGN JUST BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A PRETTY LIBERAL SIGN POLICY AND WE REALLY HATE TO GET TOO FAR OFF OF THAT, BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND YOUR PLIGHT.

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SO WE FEEL YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT WHEN THIS THING BLOOMS OUT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR SIGN NO MATTER WHAT.

YOU COULDN'T SEE IT. YEAH.

YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO I WOULD SAY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU COME BACK WITH A TOTAL DIFFERENT SIGN DESIGN AND A DIFFERENT COLOR.

WELL, THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT.

WE ALREADY TALKED TO THE SIGN COMPANY FOR A WHILE.

YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS AND ALSO DISCUSSED WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE [INAUDIBLE] YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN SEE WHAT SOME OTHERS THINK HERE.

BUT AGAIN, MAYBE AT MINIMUM WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT THE EXACT WORDING OF A MOTION MOTION MIGHT BE.

BUT WE CAN YOU CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING, BOTH VERSIONS AND AN ADVOCATE.

THAT WAY YOU'VE GOT THE OTHER ONE BECAUSE, COUNCILMAN, I'M JUST SAYING HISTORICALLY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ASKED TO SEE THAT.

AND SO THAT WAY YOU ALREADY HAVE IT.

BUT THEN YOU CAN STILL ADVOCATE FOR THE ONE THAT YOU'D LIKE AND WHY THAT IS SO.

YEAH, I DON'T HAVE SO MUCH OF A HEARTBURN ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE LETTERING AS I DO THE LOGO ON THE LEFT, ON THE ON THE SIDE OF IT.

PREFERABLY NOT THAT PIECE AT ALL.

AND JUST THE WORDS.

AND I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH WITH THE SIZE OF THE WORDS AND THE, THE BACKING TO THAT, THAT'S IT'S MORE OF THE LOGO THAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE CHICKEN. ANY OTHER.

YEAH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

I GUESS PART OF THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH THE THE CHANNEL BOX SIGN IS THE WAY YOU'VE DESIGNED YOUR LOGO.

HAS THAT AS A BACKDROP, AS A COLOR BEHIND THE LETTERS.

I THINK ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT IS THE INDIVIDUAL LETTERS THAT WOULD COMPLY CONFORM TO WHAT THE CITY ORDINANCE STATES.

I DON'T MIND THE LOGO OVER THERE.

I THINK IT'S TOO BIG.

I GUESS THE SIZE ISSUE THAT I HAVE AS I LOOK AT THIS IS IN PROPORTION TO SOUTHLAKE TUTORING ACADEMY AND POKEWORKS AND THE SIZE OF THE SPACE THAT THIS WILL OCCUPY. IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY OUT OF PROPORTION.

AND I, I HAPPEN TO BE SOMEONE WHO HARPS ON PROBABLY MORE THAN I SHOULD, BUT I LIKE TO SEE SCALE AND CONSISTENCY WHEN YOU LOOK AT A BUILDING, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE ONE THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY AND WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE SIGN OR THE OTHER SIGNS SIZE I'M SORRY, THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER IN TERMS OF THE THE VERTICAL HEIGHT AND SO ON. I THINK COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS COMMENT, I'M OKAY WITH THE LOGO, BUT THE LOGO IS TOO BIG TO ME.

IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN.

I THINK THE I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DEAL SINCE YOU'VE DESIGNED THE LOGO UP THERE YOUR YOUR IDENTITY OF BOBA CHICKEN WITH THAT BACKGROUND.

BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AS PART OF A SECOND PLAN OR EVEN A THIRD PLAN TO COME FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT LOOKS AT THE INDIVIDUAL LETTERS, SCALES DOWN THE LOGO ITSELF OF THE CHICKEN AND THE WAFFLE AND THE DRINK, AND STARTS TO BE MORE IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THE SIGN ORDINANCE SAYS.

SO IT'S A POSSIBLE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, THE KEEP THE LOGO THIS WAY AND THEN ALSO THE LETTERS, INDIVIDUAL LETTERS.

CAN WE DO THAT? WELL, WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING IS I THINK ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS COULD BE TAKE THE BROWNISH ORANGE OUT OF THE BACKGROUND OF BOBA CHICKEN AND HAVE THE LETTERS AS INDIVIDUAL LETTERS.

AND WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING IS IF YOU DO THAT, THEN SCALE DOWN THE SIZE OF THE THE LOGO ON THE LEFT SO THAT IT'S MORE IN CONFORMANCE WITH WHAT THE OTHER BUSINESSES ARE. THE OTHER TWO BUSINESSES, INCLUDING YOURS AND POKEWORKS.

I LIKE THAT IDEA. WELL, MAYBE, MAYBE SOME OF IT.

I THINK AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT STAFF WAS SAYING ABOUT IT'S SOME OF IT'S WHAT WHEN IT'S LIT UP AT NIGHT.

I THINK WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS TRYING TO AVOID IS SOMETHING WHICH AT NIGHT IT'S MULTIPLE COLORS THAT KIND OF HITS YOU LIKE THIS AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE NEUTRAL.

SO I THINK MAYBE STAFF CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I MEAN, I THINK MAYBE SOME OF THE COLORS COULD STAY DURING THE DAY.

YOU SEE THEM DURING THE DAY, BUT IT'S JUST WHAT IT'S LOOKS LIKE AT NIGHT WHEN IT'S LIT UP.

SO, YEAH, I'M GETTING NODS.

SO I THINK THAT IT'S THE ILLUMINATION VARIANCE.

THAT'S THE LAST ONE LISTED ON THE IN THE BULLETS RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE ONE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN TAKE SOME GROUND ON.

SO I GUESS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? I MEAN I GUESS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MIGHT BE OKAY WITH INSTEAD OF THE CHANNEL BOX, THE INDIVIDUAL MOUNTED LETTERS, I GUESS.

IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT LOOK SIMILAR TO THE LAST SIGN.

I MEAN AND I MEAN, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH SOMETHING THAT'S LIT UP MORE NEUTRAL AT NIGHT OR OR VERSUS THE COLORING OR.

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IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? WELL, STAFF CAN KIND OF EXPLAIN THIS AND [INAUDIBLE] BE IT'LL BE BACKLIT AT NIGHT.

AND SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE IT AT NIGHT, BUT IT JUST IT WON'T BE MULTIPLE COLORS.

IT'LL JUST BE KIND OF A NEUTRAL COLOR, I GUESS.

AND STAFF JUMP IN IF I'M NOT IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO EXPLAIN THAT, PLEASE.

NO, I THINK YOU'RE EXPLAINING IT CORRECTLY, CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

OKAY. SO YOU CAN STILL SEE IT AT NIGHT.

IT'LL STILL BE LIT UP, BUT IT JUST IT'LL BE LIT UP IN A MANNER WHERE IT'S NOT MULTIPLE COLORS.

IT'S JUST KIND OF ONE COLOR THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW.

VICE CHAIR, MAYBE JUMP IN HERE.

I GUESS. I'D BE SUPPORTIVE PERSONALLY OF SENDING IT ALONG, MAYBE STRIKING THE LAST TWO VARIANCES, BUT BEING OKAY ON THE SIZE. BUT.

BUT I GUESS I GUESS WE COULD SEE IF THAT IF THAT PASSES.

WELL RELATIVE TO THE SIZE CONCERNS ABOUT LOGOS OR AND THEN REGARDLESS OF WHAT RECOMMENDATION WE BRING UP THAT PASSES TONIGHT, YOU KNOW THAT'LL COME FORWARD TO COUNCIL AT THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN YOU CAN STILL BRING VARIATIONS THAT YOU'D MAYBE PREFER TO HAVE THEM REVIEW AS WELL, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY DON'T ALWAYS SEE IT THE WAY WE DO.

SOMETIMES A LOT OF TIMES THEY DO, BUT.

BUT YOU STILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.

SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN INITIAL RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOUR APPLICATIONS IS PREPARED FOR COUNCIL AS POSSIBLE, GIVEN WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT THEY TEND TO ASK. SO WE TRY TO ASK IT AHEAD OF TIME.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOTION.

I'M INTERESTED IN COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS VOICED CONCERNS ABOUT THE LOGO, AND I VOICED MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE LOGO WHERE EVERYBODY SITS ON A 48 INCH HIGH LOGO AND HOW THAT GETS INTEGRATED INTO WHATEVER MOTION THE COMMISSIONER FORMAN MAKES.

WELL, I SUPPOSE WHAT WE CAN DO, I GUESS JUST SPEAKING FOR ME PERSONALLY, IF IT'S LIT UP AT NIGHT NEUTRAL AND KNOWING THAT THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY CHALLENGING LOCATION, I'M PERSONALLY SUPPORTIVE.

I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY MAY BE, BUT VICE CHAIRMAN CAN DO IS MAKE A MOTION.

WE CAN VOTE ON IT. WE'LL SEE IF IT GETS A MAJORITY.

IF IT DOESN'T GET A MAJORITY, I THINK WE JUST KEEP VOTING TILL WE FIND SOMETHING THAT DOES.

SO DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS OR ANYTHING ELSE? YOU GOOD. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL GO TO DELIBERATE.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE AND AND HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AS SOON AS WE FINISH VOTING.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANKS.

MR. CHAIRMAN. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA SV 23-0001, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 2ND, 2023 AND NOTING SPECIFICALLY RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE LETTER HEIGHT VARIANCE, THE SIGN AREA VARIANCE, THE LOGO AREA VARIANCE AND ASKING THE APPLICANT TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL AN ADDITIONAL OPTION ON THE LOGO HEIGHT VARIANCE AS WELL AS THE SIGN TYPE.

AND SPECIFICALLY I GUESS MENTIONING TO THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER INDIVIDUAL LETTERS AS OPPOSED TO A CHANNEL BOX AND THEN ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT THEY BRING AN ADDITIONAL OPTION FORWARD ON THE ILLUMINATION OPTION, THE FACE LIT ILLUMINATION, CONSIDER REMOVING THE COLORS AND AGAIN, ALSO CONSIDER DOING INDIVIDUAL LETTERS WITH THE OVERARCHING RECOMMENDATION BEING TO BRING AT LEAST ONE MORE OPTION AND PREFERABLY TWO MORE OPTIONS TO COUNCIL.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT MOTION? YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE OKAY.

I GUESS WE'LL JUST SEE HOW THAT GOES.

YES, GO AHEAD. SORRY.

THE LETTER HEIGHT BECAUSE IT'S 36 INCHES FOR THE FULL LETTER HEIGHT.

ARE YOU SAYING THE 36? ARE YOU GOING WITH THE 36 INCHES OR ARE YOU GOING WITH THE THE SMALLER BECAUSE THE 36 INCHES INCLUDES THE BUBBLE.

HOW WE HAVE THAT THAT.

YEAH. SO LET ME AMEND IT TO SAY THAT THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE LETTER HEIGHT IS THE ACTUAL 27 INCHES BUT TO INCLUDE IF THEY'RE GOING TO INCLUDE INDIVIDUAL LETTERS TO COME BACK WITH AN OPTION, THEY'RE WELCOME TO SHOW 36 INCHES.

BUT THE OVERARCHING THEME HERE IS YOU PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL TO LOOK AT.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION.

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MOTION WE HAVE A SECOND. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.

AND PASSES FOUR TWO.

SO I GUESS HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES SENSE IF IT ASSUMING STAFF I GUESS IS MOVED, IF THIS MOVES ALONG AS ANTICIPATED, THAT WOULD BE ON THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON TUESDAY, THE 21ST OF THIS MONTH, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. AND I THINK IT'S BRINGING AND THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY MEMORY LAPSE OF WHAT HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU CAN GO BACK ONLINE, WATCH THE VIDEO.

I THINK IT'S BRINGING THOSE TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT DIFFERENT VERSIONS.

AND THEN MAYBE YOU MIGHT ALSO WANT TO BRING ANY KIND OF VISUAL AIDS OR SIGNAGE THAT THAT THAT SHOWS LIKE WE LOOKED AT FROM THE STREET THAT MAYBE CONVEYS YOUR POINT ABOUT WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE FROM BACK ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'LL BE PROBABLY PRETTY SYMPATHETIC ON THE SIZE ASPECT GIVEN WE KNOW THE HISTORY OF THIS SPACE. BUT I THINK IT'S JUST STYLISTICALLY, IF WE GRANT THESE VARIANCES FOR YOU GUYS WE'LL GET TEN MORE APPLICATIONS IN HERE THAT WANT THE SAME THING AND THEY'RE GOING TO POINT AT YOUR CASE. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO BALANCE THAT.

SO HOPEFULLY ALL THAT HELPS.

APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH US THROUGH THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[7. Consider: SV23-0002, Sign Variance for Shake Shack located at 125 Central Ave, Southlake, Texas.]

I GUESS THAT'S NUMBER SEVEN SIGN VARIANCE FOR SHAKE SHACK HERE IN TOWN SQUARE.

SHAKE SHACK IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MURAL.

MURALS ARE THERE IS A PROVISION FOR MURALS IN THE SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE MASTER SIGN PLAN.

THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED MURAL.

THERE IS A PROVISION FOR MURALS, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.

THEY'RE ALSO ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE MAXIMUM TOTAL AREA.

THE SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE MASTER SIGN PLAN ALLOWS ONE SQUARE FOOT OF ARTWORK FOR ONE LINEAR FOOT OF ELEVATION FROM SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, IT WOULD BE 79 SQUARE FEET AND THEY ARE REQUESTING A TOTAL AREA OF 215.4 SQUARE FEET.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? OKAY. THANK YOU.

YOU MIND COMING UP? I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE THE APPLICANT.

YOU'RE NOT JUST HERE TO ENJOY SIGNBOARD MEETING NIGHT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

MIKE PREZIOSO, 8017 SITKA STREET, FORT WORTH, TEXAS.

OKAY. I GUESS MY ONLY QUICK COMMENTS.

WE'LL SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS.

I'M APPRECIATIVE OF WHAT YOU DID HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE GOTTEN THESE BEFORE, AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE JUST BIG ADVERTISEMENTS FOR THE TENANT.

AND I THINK WE WHEN WE DO THESE, WE LIKE FOR THEM TO ADD THE DISTINCTIVE NATURE OF TOWN SQUARE AND KIND OF GIVE IT SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT FEEL UNIQUE.

AND I THINK WE LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING INCORPORATED ABOUT THE CITY.

SO I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU HAVE THE CITY'S NAME ON THERE.

EVERYBODY AROUND HERE LIKES GREEN.

NICE SHIRT TONIGHT. GOOD JOB.

YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN EVEN THROW A DRAGON ON HERE, I THINK YOU'LL SCORE EVEN MORE POINTS SO YOU CAN TELL YOUR APPLICANT THAT.

BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

I KNOW THERE MIGHT BE SOME CRITIQUES FROM EITHER SIDE HERE.

SO IS THIS A PAINTED ON MURAL OR IS IT GOING TO BE ON FABRIC? IT'S A PAINTED ON MURAL.

OKAY. AND CAN YOU TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT THE POINT OF THIS IS? IT'S NOT FACING ANY TRAFFIC.

IT'S FACING THE ENCLOSED SEATING AREA.

AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU'RE IN SOUTHLAKE, BY THE TIME YOU STOP BY THE SHAKE SHACK AND MAKE AN ORDER, YOU PROBABLY NEED MORE THAN THIS, RIGHT? HONESTLY, I THINK IT'S JUST IT'S TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE FUN AT SHAKE SHACK.

IT'S A FUN ATMOSPHERE.

IT'S INSIDE THEIR OUTDOOR EATING AREA.

I IMAGINE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO TAKE PHOTOS WITH IT YOU KNOW.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE SELFIE ING YOURSELF UP HERE NEXT TO THIS.

YOU MIGHT GET THE S OR THE STAR, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T GET IT. I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER SPRINGER.

I LOVE IT.

I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S REALLY COOL.

I THINK IT'S FUN. I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR TOWN SQUARE.

THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD HAVE IS THE FRENCH FRIES.

I DON'T GET. I MEAN, I GET IT, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE IT'S A BURGER PLACE, BUT JUST IT JUST IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THAT KIND OF FLOWS RIGHT WITH A WITH THE WHOLE DEAL. BUT I DO LIKE IT IN THE SPACE WHERE IT'S LOCATED AND HOW IT'S DONE.

THE FRENCH FRIES COULD BE A DRAGON.

CREATE A DRAGON EATING FRENCH FRIES.

HOW ABOUT THAT? ANY OTHER EDITORIAL SUBJECTIVE COMMENTS ON THIS ONE?

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I GUESS I'LL DEFER TO YOU ON SEEING IF WE CAN GET A MOTION OF MAJORITY HERE.

MR. CHAIRMAN. I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA SV 23-0002 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 2ND, 2023, AND NOTING TO THE APPLICANT THEY SHOULD CONSIDER ADDING A DRAGON AT SOME POINT ON THE MURAL, OTHERWISE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS REQUESTED.

WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE PLEASE.

TOUGH NIGHT DOWN ON MY RIGHT HERE FOR THE SIGN BOARD.

MOTION PASSES FIVE ONE.

THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. AND SAME COMMENT ABOUT NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING WOULD BE THE 21ST.

I BELIEVE SO ANY OTHER [INAUDIBLE].

ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.