>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ELISA CALLAHAN.
[SPIN Town Hall Forum Wednesday, February 15, 2023 * This meeting is without video for the majority of the meeting*]
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I AM A MEMBER OF THE ALLIANCE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMMITTEE.ONE OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS A COMMITTEE IS HOSTING SPIN TOWN HALL FORUMS. DUE TO TECHNICAL ISSUES, THIS MEETING WILL BE RECORDED VIA AUDIO ONLY.
THE AUDIO RECORDING WILL BE POSTED ON SOUTHLAKE TV BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
THE PURPOSE OF SPIN IS TO GAIN FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS AND DEVELOPMENT RELATED PROJECTS AND OTHER ITEMS OF INTERESTS IN THE COMMUNITY.
SPIN IS AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND NO VOTES ARE TAKEN.
SPIN IS STREAMED LIVE EXCEPT FOR TONIGHT THROUGH THE WEBSITE.
AFTER APPLICANTS PRESENTATIONS, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, CAN USE THE MICROPHONE IN THE AISLE FOR THE Q&A PORTION OF THE MEETING.
NEXT, WE WILL SHOW A BRIEF VIDEO INTRODUCTION OF SPIN PROGRAM BY SOUTHLAKE MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN.
>> [MUSIC] GOOD EVENING. I'M SOUTHLAKE MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT'S SPIN TOWN HALL FORUM.
THE ITEMS PRESENTED IT'S BEEN REPRESENT IDEAS OFTEN IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
NOW WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THIS CONVERSATION STARTS HERE, FIRST WITH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WITH YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPER.
THERE ARE NO VOTES TAKEN IN SPIN AND NO DECISIONS ARE MADE.
SPIN IS SIMPLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE BUT ONCE THE MEETING IS OVER, BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ARE PROVIDED WITH A SPIN MEETING REPORT THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE DISCUSSION FROM TONIGHT.
WE TAKE YOUR IMPRESSIONS AND QUESTIONS INTO ACCOUNT WHEN CONSIDERING ANY ITEM THAT COMES BEFORE US FURTHER ALONG IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION TO HELPING MAKE SOUTHLAKE A BETTER PLACE. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. [MUSIC]
>> WE DEVELOPED AN ONLINE SPIN FORM FOR RESIDENTS TO SUBMIT THEIR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING IF THEY ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND.
I WILL READ THROUGH THESE SUBMISSIONS AFTER THE RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCE WHO HAVE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK.
WITH THAT, LET US GET TO OUR APPLICANT PRESENTATIONS.
TIM CASSIDY IS HERE TO PRESENT OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS SPIN 2023-02.
AN APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MIXED USE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON AN APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRE SITE LOCATED AT 8080-8830-8840, DAVIS BOULEVARD.
>> I WANT TO PASS OUT. YEAH, FIRST OF ALL, I BROUGHT SOME THINGS THAT ARE TO HANDOUT INCLUDING A CONCEPT PLAN SENT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS A SUMMARY SENT TO THE NEIGHBORS IF YOU PASS THAT OUT TOO.
WELL, LET ME START BY GIVING AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
LITTLE BACKGROUND, I SHOULD SAY FIRST.
I'VE BEEN DEVELOPING OPERATING, ADVISING ON SENIOR HOUSING SINCE 1987 WHICH MEANS I'M BOTH OLD AND EXPERIENCED.
ANYWAY, I'VE BEEN AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND THAT'S ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF SENIOR HOUSING.
I'VE OPERATED SKILLED NURSING, SPECIAL UNITS, ASSISTED LIVING, MEMORY CARE, INDEPENDENT LIVING AND OVER 55,000.
OVER THE YEARS, SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES IN THE INDUSTRY.
THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF SENIOR LIVING, SENIOR HOUSING, ASSISTED LIVING, AND MEMORY CARE OR LICENSED AND THEY PROVIDE A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE.
THERE ARE CAREGIVERS, INDEPENDENT LIVING.
WELL, THAT'S A BROAD TERM AND IT'S NOT A LICENSED OR LEGAL NAME IF YOU WILL.
IN THE INDUSTRY, THAT MEANS THAT MEALS ARE INCLUDED IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER AND THAT HOUSEKEEPING IS INCLUDED AND THAT TRANSPORTATION IS AVAILABLE AS WELL AS ACTIVITIES.
BUT THE KEY DIFFERENTIATOR IN INDEPENDENT LIVING VERSUS SENIOR HOUSING, OR ACTIVE ADULT OR ACTIVE LIVING NOW IS THAT MEALS ARE INCLUDED IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER AND THAT THERE'S A COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT OR RESTAURANTS ON SITE.
THAT'S THE KEY DIFFERENTIATOR.
WE'VE ALREADY CONDUCTED A MARKET STUDY,
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BEEN DOING THAT FOR 30 YEARS WITH DIFFERENT TEAM MEMBERS MYSELF.I WILL NOT CONSIDER A DEVELOPMENT SITUATION UNLESS I PERSONALLY MYSTERY SHOP EVERY COMPETITOR IN THE MARKET AND THE EXTENDED MARKET.
I PERSONALLY MYSTERY SHOPPED 55 BUILDINGS IN NORTH DALLAS INCLUDING EVERY POTENTIAL COMPETITOR IN THIS SERVICE AREA.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE A WATERMERE BUILDING LESS THAN A MILE AWAY IN NORTH RICHLAND HILLS THAT I VISITED IN IN MAY WHEN IT WAS OPEN FOR A MONTH.
IT WAS 60% OCCUPIED WHICH IS VIRTUALLY UNHEARD OF.
ALL THE PATIO HOMES WERE ALREADY LEAST WITH A WAITING LIST ONE MONTH IT WAS OPEN.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A COMPARABLE PRODUCT IS THE CONSERVATORY AT KELLER.
THAT IS A 12 TO 14 YEAR OLD BUILDING.
STILL VERY NICE LOCATION THAT 190 APARTMENTS, THE ONLY APARTMENTS WERE AVAILABLE WERE THE SMALLEST ONE BEDROOM.
IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S GOOD INCOME AND HIGH HOME VALUES, PEOPLE WANT LARGER UNITS AND ONE THING I'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT NORTH DALLAS AND IN THIS AREA IS THAT THE LARGER APARTMENTS HAVE LONG WAITING LIST AND WHETHER OUR PATIO HOMES OR IN OUR CASE WE HAVE 10 VILLAGE BUFFERING THE REAR NEIGHBORS.
THEY TEND TO HAVE AGAIN, VERY LONG WAITING LIST.
DIFFERENCE AGAIN, INDEPENDENT LIVING AND SENIOR HOUSING, AND GOING TO THE MEALS AGAIN, WHERE WE'RE DIFFERENT THAN WATERMERE OR THE CONSERVATORY IS WE HAVE TWO RESTAURANTS.
THEY ARE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
THE RESIDENTS WOULD GET A CARD, $3-400 A MONTH APPLIED IN THE RESTAURANT, THEY CAN BUY MORE.
WATERMERE OFFERS I THINK 75 DOLLARS.
THEY HAVE FOUR OR FIVE MEAL CHOICES.
WE WILL HAVE 12 DIFFERENT MEAL CHOICES AND STANDBY LIKE STICK SANDWICHES IN THE MAIN RESTAURANT.
THE OTHER ONE WILL BE A BREAKFAST LUNCH.
THEY ARE STOREFRONTS AS IT SAYS IN THE APPLICATION.
WE ARE MIXED JUICE SO WE HAVE TWO RESTAURANTS, WE HAVE A SALON AND SPA AIMED AT OVER 55.
OUR RESIDENTS NEED THAT, WANT THAT BUT THAT'S AGAIN, A STOREFRONT AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
LASTLY, WE HAVE A WELLNESS CENTER COMBINED WITH A LIFELONG LEARNING CENTER.
THE LIFELONG LEARNING CENTERS BUT DOES COLLEGE LEVEL PROGRAMS TO HOBBY TYPE INSTRUCTIONS.
BEEN DOING THAT THROUGH A NONPROFIT.
THIS YEAR IS NOW 30 YEARS WHEN DOING PROGRAMS. THEY RANGE INCLUDING INTERGENERATIONAL HEALTHCARE SCREENINGS, WHOLE MYRIAD OF PROGRAMS. ABOUT 60% OF THOSE PROGRAMS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT NO COST.
WE'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED IN AN APPROACH TO BE EMBRACING THE PUBLIC BEING PEOPLE IN.
WE DON'T WANT SENIORS TO RETIRE AND BE IN A PLACE AND NOT HAVE A LOT OF INTERACTION, ENERGY RATIONAL INTERACTION AND OTHERWISE.
THE WELLNESS CENTER IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THAT WE WILL BRING IN A LICENSED THIRD PARTY ARMS LENGTH.
WE HAVE STUFF TO FINISH THAT PROCESS IN A FORMAL RFQ, RFP, TO SELECT A HOME HEALTH AGENCY.
WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS IN A PROJECT WE'RE CONSIDERING IN FRISCO WITH BAYLOR SCOTT WHITE HOSPITAL IN FRISCO TO BE THE WELLNESS AGENCY SELECTED THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WILL GO OR END UP HERE, BUT WE WILL DO A FORMAL RFQ, RFP TO SELECT A HOME HEALTH AGENCY THAT IS ON SITE THAT WOULD PROVIDE SCREENINGS OF RESIDENTS.
UNLIKE ASSISTED LIVING, BECAUSE IT'S A THIRD PARTY WITH A DOCTOR'S ORDER.
THE RESIDENTS CAN GET CARE LIKE ASSISTED LIVING BUT WE ARE NOT ASSISTED LIVING.
WHAT WE DO HAVE IS THAT WELLNESS CENTER AND THAT IS NOT IN ANY BUILDING IN THIS AREA.
WELL, SOME DO HOME HEALTH SCREENINGS AND IF YOU ASK THE MARKETING DIRECTOR, HAVE A HOME HEALTH AGENCY BROCHURE IN THEIR BACK POCKET TO SAY WE CAN TAKE CARE OF YOU.
YES. BUT AS FAR AS THE PHYSICAL STAFFED WELL IN THE CENTER WITH A NURSE AND NURSE PRACTITIONER THAT DOES NOT EXIST IN THE MARKET OR EXTENDED MARKET.
THAT'S THE KEY DIFFERENTIATORS.
AGAIN, THOSE USES THAT I JUST MENTIONED OR STOREFRONTS AND THEN UTILIZING THE LOT TERMS OF THE BUILDING AND THE LAYOUT, THE TEXT ART DISTRICT WHICH IS ABOUT 25, 26 ACRES.
WE WERE HERE. I WAS IN THE CHAMBERS HERE FOR A CPC MEETING ON THAT.
WE DISCUSSED THAT. BUT THAT DISTRICT IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRESENTED AT THAT.
WE FIT THE SPIRIT, IF NOT THE LETTER OF THE LAW ALMOST TO THAT PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN.
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IT'S ONLY ABOUT 26 ACRES ON DAVIS AND A CAUSE FOR ABOUT 25% OF THE FRONTAGE TO BE COMMERCIAL.IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT THE FRONT IS A COUPLE OF COMMERCIALS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT TO BE ACTUALLY OF THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WHERE A CONTRACT PURCHASER WOULD KEEP THAT PARTIAL.
THOSE WOULD BE PREFERABLY WE CAN'T COMMIT TO WHAT IT ENDS UP BEING THERE.
BUT WE HOPE THERE ARE MEDICAL OFFICERS.
THAT FITS THE SPIRIT OF THAT OF THE TEXTS ART DISTRICT WHICH ALLOWS FOR MIXED USE INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY IN THE REAR.
AS FAR AS THE LAYOUT, MOST OF CLASS A, AND YOU CAN'T BUILD A BUILDING THAT CLASS A WITH COST UP AND THE MARKET DEMANDING IT.
THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CONCIERGE AND MANY OTHER LEVELS POTENTIALLY.
A CONSCIENTIOUS FLOOR LEVEL WHERE THERE WAS EXTENDED WHERE WE STILL WEARING THAT.
BUT WITH THAT, PEOPLE EXPECT PARKING.
THEY DON'T EXPECT SURFACE PARKING.
WHAT WE LISTENED AT THE CPC MEETING, WE ORIGINALLY CAME IN TO THAT MEETING WITH 158 TOTAL UNITS.
IT WAS A FULL FOUR STORY BUILDING, FOUR-STORY GARAGE.
WE WENT DOWN TO THREE STORIES ON THE GARAGE, ON THE REAR WING, ON THE SIDE WING, AND WE KEPT 3/1 OF FOUR STORIES IN THE FRONT, WHICH IS ONLY VISIBLE FROM DAVIS.
THERE'S NO VISIBILITY TO ANY FOUR-STORY WING FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL, THE ARMY CORPS, WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THAT WITH BEAR CREEK.
WE DIDN'T GO NEAR IT. WE DIDN'T TOUCH IT.
YOU'LL SEE IN THE CONCEPT THAT WE HANDED OUT THAT THE GREEN BELT, THAT'S JUST ALL THAT'S THERE, ALL THAT'S REQUIRED.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO ARMY CORPS.
WE'RE JUST ACCEPTING ALL THAT SETBACK.
WE WERE ABLE TO LEAVE ALL THOSE TREES AND IN THE REAR, THERE'S SOME TREES BACK THERE.
WE PROVIDED THE EXTRA BUFFERING OF 10 VILLAGE THAT ARE ONE-AND-A-HALF STORY WITH A HIP ROOF IN THE REAR.
THE NEIGHBORS WILL BARELY SEE THE REAR OF THE THREE-STORY BUILDING.
WHAT WE WOULD DO AS A NEXT STEP AND SHARE WITH NEIGHBORS PRIOR TO A FORMAL SUBMITTAL POTENTIALLY WITH THE CITY IS COMPLETE A RENDERING SPECIFIC.
THOUGHT ABOUT THE IDEA OF SAMPLE RENDERINGS, AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS FAIR.
[NOISE] THE LOT IS FAIRLY IRREGULAR.
IT DOES HAVE THAT LARGE BUFFER.
THE ONLY FAIR WAY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR NEIGHBOR IS GOING TO BE IS TO SEE.
WE'VE ENGAGED A CIVIL POINT ENGINEERING AND WE WILL COMPLETE IS RENDERINGS ELEVATIONS THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE EXISTING TREES, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE NEIGHBORS.
SEE WHAT YOU'D BE LOOKING AT LITERALLY FROM YOUR HOME OR YOUR BACKYARD.
THAT WOULD BE IN OUR NEXT STEP.
WE WOULD FRANKLY HOPE TO ENGAGE AND HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH NEIGHBORS, ADDRESS COMMENTS, AND GET AN UNDERSTANDING AND THEN SHARE THAT SO PEOPLE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE ARE AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO FRANKLY LOOK AT.
>> THIS ITEM IS NOW OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
WE ASK THAT THOSE WITH QUESTIONS, PLEASE USE THE MICROPHONES IN THE HOUSE SO THOSE LISTENING FROM HOME CAN HEAR.
>> I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY HANDOUTS ON THIS.
HOW MANY ENTRANCES WILL THERE BE OFF OF DAVIS? IS THAT THE ONLY INFERENCE? [OVERLAPPING]
TAKING INTO ACCOUNT BUSY ROAD, THERE'LL BE A RIGHT IN AND A RIGHT OUT.
WHEN WE TALKED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WHEN WE TAKE A RIDE OUT, WE'D GO UP TO THE NEXT GENERAL STATION WHERE THERE'S A CROSSOVER IF YOU WANT TO GO LEFT.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU'LL GO TO CONTINENTAL.
>> OKAY. [OVERLAPPING] THEN YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT OFF OF SOUTHBOUND ON CONTINENTAL INTO THE CROWN.
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>> IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTHBOUND ON DAVIS THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO DOWN TO BEAR CREEK AND DO A U-TURN AT THAT LIGHT AND COME BACK TO IT.
>> IF THE U IS ALLOWED AT THAT LATER AND YOU'D HAVE TO GO FURTHER IF A U IS ALLOWED.
YES. IF NOT, YOU'D HAVE TO GO FURTHER SOUTH AND TURNAROUND.
>> OKAY. [OVERLAPPING] THERE WILL BE BOTH BUILDINGS AND VILLAS, DID I UNDERSTOOD YOU SAID THAT?
>> THE MAIN BUILDING, WE WRAP THE GARAGE SO IT'S VIRTUALLY NOT VISIBLE.
THE ONLY VISIBILITY WOULD HAVE TO THE GARAGE WOULD BE TO THE NORTH SIDE WHERE THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS.
WE HAVE IN THE FRONT WING, WE HAVE IN THE SIDE OF WING, AND THEN THE REAR WE HAVE A WING WITH THE GARAGE IN THE MIDDLE.
THEN THE REAR WE HAVE 10 VILLAS.
I BELIEVE IT IS, OR MAYBE AND A TWO.
I FORGET THE MIX, BUT THERE'S TEN VILLAGE IN THE REAR THERE ATTACHED.
THERE'LL BE FOR RENT LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE RENT THERE WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE 5,000-6,000 DOLLARS RANGE AND THEY WILL STILL INCLUDE A MEAL AND HOUSEKEEPING.
>> AGAIN, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY OF THE DRAWINGS, BUT IT'S A NORTH END EDGE OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE CURRENT ROCK QUARRY OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ADJACENT OR ONE LOT REMOVED OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD TO BE HONEST, I JUST DON'T KNOW.
IT'S CLOSE. I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER HOME.
I BELIEVE IT IS, BUT I'M NOT 100 PERCENT.
>> GOOD EVENING. I'LL TELL YOU I'M DOUG MALONE.
I LIVE AT 3028 PONDER PATH IN KELLER.
I'M A CREEK VIEW HOA BOARD MEMBER.
WE DID OR HOA DID RECEIVE THIS PROPOSAL DESCRIPTION YOU HAD SENT IT OUT.
JUST TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CREEK VIEW.
WE HAVE 106 HOMES IN CREEK VIEW.
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY NINE ACRES OF HOMES AND COMMON AREA.
CREEK VIEW'S NOW ABOUT 10 YEARS OLD.
I'LL TELL YOU BEING A RESIDENT, I'D BEEN RESIDENTS SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING, WE KNOW A FAIR AMOUNT ABOUT THE FLOODING IMPACTS THAT WE RECEIVE AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC SITUATION IN DAVIS.
HAVING BEEN HERE FOR SO LONG, THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF INSIGHT AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC, EARLY MORNING AND WORK-RELATED TRAFFIC.
DAVIS IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST TRAVEL CORRIDORS AROUND.
CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD, THERE'S ALSO A VERY HEAVILY TRAVEL CORRIDOR.
I CAN REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO SOUTHLAKE, THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THEY WANTED TO MAKE CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD A FOUR LANE ROAD.
THE RESIDENTS WERE VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THAT.
I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR THING ABOUT YOUR ENTRANCE ONLY RIGHT TURN IN RIGHT TURN OUT. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? ALL THE PEOPLE COME FROM IN THE SOUTH, THEY'RE GOING TO GO DOWN TO THE QUIKTRIP TO TURNED AROUND THERE.
WE HAVE A LARGE PET FACILITY THERE TOO.
QUIKTRIP HAS AN UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT THERE ALL DAY LONG, LANDSCAPERS.
I COULD JUST SEE THIS FACILITY ADDING TO THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS THE FLOODING IMPACT.
WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF SIGNIFICANT FLOODS IN OUR COMMON AREA.
BEAR CREEK HAS A NUMBER OF TRIBUTARIES AND THEY ALL COLLECT RIGHT NEAR THAT CORNER OF YOUR LITTLE DEVELOPMENT.
I SEE AN AWFUL LOT OF CONCRETE ON THEIR PROPOSAL.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH ALL THAT RUNOFF WATER.
>> [OVERLAPPING] CAN I COMMENT ON THOSE TWO ITEMS YOU MENTIONED AND THEN CONTINUE.
FIRST OF ALL, AS NEEDED, WHEN WE GET INTO ENGINEERING WITH THE CITY, AND WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST IS WE'LL ADD UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS FOR THE RUNOFF IF THERE'S A BIG STORM SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
THERE'LL BE ENGINEERING TO THAT EFFECT IN TIME.
THAT'S NUMBER 1. NUMBER 2, I KNOW DAVIS RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 35,000 CARS A DAY.
THAT'S A PRETTY HEAVILY TRAFFIC ROAD.
WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND OTHERS WAS IS THAT IT'S DESIGNED TO HAVE A MUCH HEAVIER TRAFFIC.
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THE EXPECTATION IS WITH SOME OF THE OTHER TRAFFIC FLOWS OF OTHER HIGHWAYS AND ROADWAYS TO THE SOUTH THAT DAVIS WE'LL GET TO 45,000-50,000 CARS A DAY IN THE NEXT 10-15 YEARS AS IT IS.ACCORDING TO OUR RESEARCH, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S BUSY.
I'VE BEEN ON DAVIS. I KNOW IT'S BUSY.
IT'S ALL RELATIVE. I'M NOT A TRAFFIC FAN.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ACCORDING TO TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, IT'S PLANNED FOR THAT 50,000 CARS A DAY OR MORE.
THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO DATE BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS THAT WE WANT TO BE AWARE OF.
JUST BECAUSE ARMY CORPS AND WE DIDN'T TOUCH YOUR FLOODPLAIN DOESN'T MEAN THAT ON A BAD STORM, WE DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS IT.
>> WELL, I MEAN, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS IS ONE THING.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY HAVE TOTAL AUTHORITY OVER BIG BEAR CREEK.
WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY.
THEY'VE WEIGHED IN ON YOUR PROJECT, BUT THEY WILL.
I MEAN, I'LL TOUCH BASE WITH THEM AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
I MEAN, AGAIN, WE LIVED THERE FOR 10 YEARS AND I'VE SEEN THE FLOODS THAT BACKUP INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I CAN JUST ANTICIPATE THAT THIS ARE GOING TO CREATE SOME REALLY SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS. NO AMOUNT OF ENGINEERING IS GOING TO BE A BIGGER, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE TO SEE IT.
MOST OF THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN OUT THERE TO SEE IT, AND THAT INCLUDES THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
I MEAN, THE OTHER THING I HAVE TO SAY AS THE AESTHETIC IMPACT ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS UNBELIEVABLE.
THAT WHOLE PROPERTY A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN CREEK VIEW.
I SEE ALL THE FILLED DIRT THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT IN WHICH CAN BUILD IT UP PROBABLY EVEN HIGHER.
WE HAVE AN AREA THERE'S NO BUFFER.
WE PROBABLY HAVE A 150 YARDS OF OPEN VIEW RIGHT INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEN I'M LOOKING AT THINGS IN THIS PROPOSAL WHICH TALKS ABOUT 3-4 STORY BUILDINGS, A THREE-STOREY PARKING GARAGE.
>> IT'S APPEALING TO RESIDENTS.
WE EXPECT A HIGH-CLASS RESIDENT THAT WANTS A PARKING GARAGE.
PARKING GARAGES ARE ALL OVER NORTH DALLAS AND THAT MOST OF THE FIRST-CLASS, CLASS A, AND THIS IS WHAT THIS BUILDING WOULD BE.
BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT NORTH DALLAS HAVE PARKING GARAGES.
I CAN TELL YOU AS A FORMER SOUTHLAKE RESIDENT, THAT THE RESIDENTS IN SOUTHLAKE DO NOT LIKE APARTMENTS, PERIOD.
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A PARKING GARAGE BEING BUILT ON TOP OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I PRAY THEY LIKE SENIORS, SIR.
>> MAYBE THE CASE IN NORTH DALLAS, BUT THIS IS NOT NORTH DALLAS.
AS TO WHAT SOUTHLAKE REALLY NEEDS, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DOWNSIZE.
THEY DON'T WANT TO GO TO AN APARTMENT THAT THEY USED TO LIVE IN WHEN THEY WERE A KID.
THEY WANT A NICE SMALL HOUSE, PATIO HOME.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I LOVE SOUTHLAKE BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ANY.
BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO GO BACK TO AN APARTMENT.
AGAIN, YOU'VE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THE OTHER FACILITIES TOO.
YOU'RE COMPETING WITH A LOT OF OTHER FACILITIES NEARBY.
I DON'T SEE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE WITH WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING IT HERE.
>> GLAD TO HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION WITH YOU TO EXPLAIN WHAT I EXPLAINED THAT WE'RE IN OUR DIFFERENCES.
YOU HAVE MY E-MAIL ADDRESS AND CONTACT INFORMATION.
I'D GLAD TO SHOW YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE.
>> DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
>> YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER].
I ALSO AM ON THE HOA FOR CREEK VIEW.
BUT THE ONE THING I HAVE OR THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY RELEVANT TO THE REST OF THE FOLKS, IS I LIVE ON BEAR CREEK.
MY BACKYARD WOULD FACE THIS BUILDING WHERE OTHERS IT WOULD BE A FURTHER DISTANCE AWAY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR YOUR PROPERTY LINE IS FROM MY BACKYARD.
>> BUT THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER THERE WITH BEAR CREEK THAT WERE [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUT BEAR CREEK IS ONLY 100 FEET, I THINK, OR WHATEVER.
ALSO, THE WHOLE AREA YOU'RE BUILDING ON IS A FLOOD PLAIN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTHLAKE FLOODPLAIN ZONE MAPS,
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YOU'LL SEE WHERE YOU'RE BUILDING IS ON THE HUNDRED-YEAR FLOODPLAIN.MY HOUSE, IT'S LIKE IN A HUGE ANGLE LIKE THIS OVER BEAR CREEK THAT'S DOWN HERE.
SO I HAVE HAD MY YARD GET ABOUT HALFWAY UP MY YARD WITH NORMAL RAIN AND STUFF THAT HE'S DISCUSSING.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A DRAINAGE STUDY AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE I WOULD EVER CONSIDER.
THEN PLUS BECAUSE I LIVE PROBABLY CLOSE TO 200 FEET OF YOUR PROPERTY LINE OR LESS, THAT WOULD BE PUT ME IN A FISHBOWL WITH A THREE-FOOT STORY BUILDING.
>> WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO IMPROVE ON PRIOR DEVELOPMENTS.
I'M JUST THINKING OF ONE WHERE I HEARD THE SIMILAR CONCERNS OUTSIDE OF RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, WERE WE ABLE TO ADDRESS FLOODING? WE DID THAT WITH A VARIETY OF MEANS, BUT UNDERGROUND STORM WATER STORAGE TANKS IS A WAY OF DOING IT.
IT'S COSTLY, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE WANTED TO CONSIDER THAT.
BUT THAT'S A WAY OF ADDRESSING IT.
YOU'RE 100 PERCENT RIGHT, WE NEED TO DO THE STUDIES AND WE GOT TO MAKE IT BETTER AND THE RIGHT ENGINEERS HAVE TO MAKE EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
THE CITY WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO PROCEED WITHOUT THAT. I KNOW THAT.
>> DID YOU ALSO, WHEN YOU SAID YOU LOOKED AT COMPETITORS, ALTHOUGH YOU DIDN'T MENTION IT, WATERMERE, DISCOVERY VILLAGE?
>> YEAH. DISCOVERY VILLAGE IS AN OLDER, INDEPENDENT LIVING WITH ASSISTED LIVING.
IT HAS ABOUT 40 APARTMENTS THAT YOU RENT.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS FOR SALE, CONDOS OR PATIO HOMES. WE DON'T COMPETE AGAINST.
FIRST, THEY DON'T GET MEALS. THEY CAN COME INTO THE DINING ROOM AND BUY SOMETHING.
THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PRODUCT.
>> BUT THEY STILL ARE PLUS 55.
>> I'M 68, MA'AM. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE AS BOOMERS, WE ARE NOT OUR PARENTS.
>> I HAVE A FRIEND THAT LIVES IN THESE, SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T BELONG IN THE WORLD.
I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T THINK THEY BELONG IN MY BACKYARD.
>> I HEAR YOU, AND I DIDN'T GET YOUR NAME.
>> I'M SORRY. DEBRA KEITH, K-E-I-T-H.
>> HI. JARED JOHNSON AND I AM A SOUTHLAKE RESIDENT.
I PARTICIPATED IN THE MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL ABOUT WATERMERE ACROSS THE STREET.
FIRST OF ALL, THREE-STOREY BUILDING, FORGET THAT.
ELEVEN YEARS AGO, I STOOD ON THAT PODIUM AND POUNDED THREE-STOREY BUILDING ABOUT A CHURCH, A WHOLE CITY COUNCIL SAID NOT HAPPENING.
YOU'LL GO IN UNDERGROUND AND SINCE YOU ARE IN A FLOODPLAIN, NOT HAPPENING.
THE OTHER THING I'D LOVE TO SEE YOUR TXDOT EXPLORATIONS BECAUSE WHEN WE DID WATERMERE ACROSS THE STREET, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2004.
WITH WATERMERE ACROSS THE STREET, TXDOT SAID YOU CAN HAVE ACCELERATION DECELERATION LANES HERE FOR THEM, OR WE COULD HAVE IT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE GAVE IT TO THEM BECAUSE WE AGREED WITH THAT, BECAUSE THEY CONTRIBUTED TO THE AREA.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THOSE WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHT LIKE THEY PUT IN THERE.
TXDOT IS GOING TO SAY NO ACCELERATION, NO DECELERATION.
YOU'RE GOING TO DUMP THEM RIGHT ONTO 35,000 CARS PER DAY, DAVIS TO 45,000-50,000 CARS PER DAY IN 5-10 YEARS, THAT'S NOT GOING TO FLY.
THAT TXDOT WILL SHUT YOU DOWN FOR YOUR INTERESTS IT'S MOST LIKELY.
WHICH IS WHY WE HAD TO AGREE TO GIVE UP OUR ENTRANCE FIRST.
>> WHEN YOU SAY, WE HAD MISSED THAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
>> THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTHLAKE.
YOU'RE BUILDING THIS AND YOU'RE COMPARING IT TO OTHER PLACES IN NORTH TEXAS.
WE LIVE IN SOUTHLAKE. NONE OF US NEED THAT BECAUSE WE ALREADY LIVE HERE.
THIS IS FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN, GREAT COMMERCIAL, GREAT MARKETING PLAN.
BUT I REALLY DOUBT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DUMP ALL THOSE PEOPLE ONTO DAVIS BOULEVARD INTO SOUTHLAKE.
THE THREE STOREYS WILL NOT HAPPEN IN SOUTHLAKE.
WE WENT OVER IT FOR THE TOWN HOMES HERE.
WE WENT OVER IT FOR THE CHURCH, THEY WANTED TO PUT IN SOUTHLAKE AS WELL.
WE DISCUSSED IT FOR WATERMERE, IT'S NOT HAPPENING.
I LIKED THE WAY YOU SAID IT BECAUSE I WORK WITH ATTORNEYS AND THEY ALWAYS SAY REMOVE ADJECTIVES AND ADVERBS.
YOU SAID YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT SO I TRANSLATE TO, YOU CAN SEE IT.
I'M SURE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE VISUAL REFLECTIONS.
I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE TXDOT STUDY, FLOODPLAIN STUDY.
DON'T THINK YOU'RE GETTING A THREE-STOREY PARKING GARAGE.
IT WON'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THIS ROOM WILL BE FULL OF EVERYBODY FROM SOUTHLAKE LIKE IT WAS LAST TIME.
>> YOUR CONCERN IS THE GARAGE, NOT THE BUILDING THREE-STOREY?
>> NO BUILDING. DON'T TRY TO PUT A BUILDING INTO THREE-STOREYS IN SOUTHLAKE.
IT WILL NEVER FLY. THIS ROOM WILL BE PACKED.
>> I JUST SAID WE CAME IN AT FOUR STOREYS, WE'RE DOING FIVE STOREYS IN FRISCO.
>> I DON'T CARE ABOUT FRISCO, I LIVE IN SOUTHLAKE.
>> I DON'T CARE ABOUT KELLER. I DON'T CARE ABOUT GRAPEVINE. I LIVE HERE.
>> AGAIN, I'VE BEEN AROUND THE SENIORS FOR A LONG TIME.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IN OLDER BUILDINGS THAT ARE BUILT FOR SENIORS IS IT'S TOO SPREAD OUT.
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THE GOAL IS, AS A SENIOR, WHEN YOU MOVE INTO A BUILDING AND WE HAVE A WELLNESS CENTER STAFFED BY HOME HEALTH AGENCY.FOR MOST RESIDENTS, THEY'LL NEVER HAVE TO LEAVE.
PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT DOWNSIZING, I GET THAT.
DOWNSIZING FROM A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT TO A 1,200 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENT, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO IN A 250 OR 350 SQUARE FOOT ASSISTED LIVING UNIT? BECAUSE THE AVERAGE ASSISTED LIVING UNIT WITH NO KITCHEN, NO DINING AREA IS 350 SQUARE FEET.
IF YOU FIND ONE WITH 600 SQUARE FEET, IT HAS A TWO-YEAR WAITING LIST IN ALL OF THIS AREA, ASSISTED LIVING.
WE'RE IN ALTERNATIVE WHERE YOU CAN COME INTO A LARGER APARTMENT AND AGE IN PLACE.
BUT IF YOUR BUILDING IS SPREAD OUT AND TWO LONG HALLS, IT CUTS DOWN AND YOU'RE AGING A PLACE.
PEOPLE CAN'T GET TO THE CORE AREA WHERE THEY GET SERVICES, WHERE THEY GET DINING.
FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, TO HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S QUALITY OF LIFE THAT YOU AS A SENIOR COULD MOVE INTO AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I CAN AFFORD IT.
I'LL PAY FOR THE HOME HEALTH AGENCY WHEN I NEED IT.
WHEN I NEED A LOT OR IF I NEED A CAREGIVER TO COME INTO MY APARTMENT JUST LIKE THAT CAREGIVER CAN COME INTO MY HOME, I NEVER HAVE TO LEAVE.
THIS IS THE HOME TO END A LIFE, HOSPITALS CAN COME IN.
SPREADING OUT IS DETRIMENTAL TO AGING A PLACE IN A BUILDING LAYOUT.
>> I 100 PERCENT AGREE. YOU CAN TAKE THIS RECORDING AND USE THAT IN YOUR PAMPHLET, BUT THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE SITUATION IN SOUTHLAKE.
IT IS NEEDED IN NORTH TEXAS, 100 PERCENT AGREED.
NOT IN SOUTHLAKE. WHEN I MOVED HERE, YOU HAD TO BE AN ACRE HOME, AN ACRE PROPERTY, SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
THESE TOWN HOMES TOOK LITERALLY AN ACT OF CONGRESS TO GET APPROVED BECAUSE THEY COULD BE MULTIFAMILY.
METALMERE OR WEATHERMERE, WHICHEVER ONE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYMORE. ACROSS FROM JELLICO THAT WAS CONTENTIOUS.
PUTTING ANOTHER ONE, THE BURDEN, COME SIT AT THE PARKING LOTS OUTSIDE OF THAT RETIREMENT COMMUNITY ACROSS FROM JELLICO AND COUNT THE NUMBER OF TIMES SOUTHLAKE DPS HAS TO GO OUT.
I CAN TELL YOU THE AVERAGE IS 30-49.
YOU'RE GOING TO ADD THAT BURDEN TO SOUTHLAKE DPS WEST AS WELL.
I DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN'T EXPAND THAT BUILDING.
THAT BUILDING WAS PUT IN FOR OUR VISION GOING FORWARD.
THEY CAN'T JUST PUT MORE FIRE TRUCKS AND AMBULANCES, THEY NEED MORE AMBULANCES.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADD THOSE. I'LL FINISH WITH THIS.
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THE TXDOT PLAN.
I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IF YOU COME WITH A PROPOSAL THAT INCLUDES A THREE-STOREY STRUCTURE, IT'S NOT HAPPENING.
YOU CAN TAKE THAT HOW YOU WANT, BUT IT WON'T.
I'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH, I'VE BEEN TO ENOUGH OF THESE THREE-STOREY, WILL NOT HAPPEN IN SOUTHLAKE.
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A PARKING STRUCTURE.
PARKING STRUCTURE. [BACKGROUND] THIS IS NOT EXACTLY PERTINENT TO YOUR SITUATION, BUT YOU FOLKS OVER THERE TALKED ABOUT THE CONCRETE AND THE WATER DRAINAGE AND SO FORTH.
THEY JUST BUILT A NEW DEVELOPMENT BESIDE MY HOUSE ON CANOPY COURT AND EVERY TIME IT RAINS, IT'S A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, MY PROPERTY GETS FLOODED.
I'VE TALKED TO THE ENGINEERS AND THEY SAID, WELL, THEIR ENGINEERS AND OUR ENGINEERS AGREED THAT EVERYTHING'S JUST FINE AND IT'S MY PROBLEM THEY'RE TELLING ME I GOT TO GO TO THE BUILDER, WHICH IS [INAUDIBLE] WHICH IS A NASTY COMPANY.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU THIS CITY COUNCIL, YOUR ENGINEERS DID NOT DO THE JOB IN OUR SITUATION THAT ARE ON CANOPY COURT, BECAUSE EVERY TIME IT RAINS, IT COMES LIKE A FLOOD ONTO MY PROPERTY, AND TO TELL ME THAT THE ENGINEERS DID THE JOB IS NOT TRUE, SO DON'T PUT A LOT OF FAITH IN ENGINEERS SOMETIMES.
SORRY, BUT I GOT A SPRAINED ANKLE OR [INAUDIBLE]
>> CREEK VIEW IS IN THE KELLER CITY LIMITS, BUT WE PAY SOUTHLAKE SCHOOL TAXES.
WE'RE IN BOTH SOUTHLAKE AND KELLER. MAKES SENSE?
>> BEAR CREEK HAS BEEN DISCUSSED TONIGHT ALREADY, IF THERE ARE ANY NEW COMMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WELCOME THOSE.
WE DO HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS HEARD BY THE APPLICANT, BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS BESIDES DRAINAGE OR MAYBE TRAFFIC, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THOSE.
>>> I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I SAW THIS IN THE PROPOSAL DOCUMENT WHERE THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION.
I DON'T WHETHER IT WAS BY THE LAND USE PLAN,
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THAT THAT AREA ALONG BEAR CREEK BE KEPT IN A NICE, PRISTINE ENVIRONMENTAL STATE.I ALSO NOTICED THAT RIGHT THERE YOU HAVE A MAJOR ROADWAY GOING INTO YOUR COMPLEX.
I MEAN COME ON, YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS. [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT IS NOT WITHIN THE ARMY CORPS. WE AVOIDED THE SETBACKS SET BY THE ARMY CORPS, WHICH ARE RATHER SUBSTANTIAL FOR BEAR CREEK.
IT WAS WHEN THE HUNDRED-YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND I ABSOLUTELY HAD MY ENGINEERS LOOK AT THAT.
WE LAID OUT A BUILDING BUFFERING FROM THAT QUITE A BIT.
IF WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE ADDED FLOODING, WE'LL HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO DO THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS, AND I RESPECT WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID, BECAUSE ENGINEERING SIGN OFFS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS LATER. I'VE SEEN THAT.
I LISTENED TO THAT AND I HEAR THAT AND WHAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO IS FIND A WAY AND I'LL TALK TO MY DESIGN TEAM.
HOW CAN WE ADDRESS UNDERGROUND STORM WATER WHEN THERE IS THREE DAYS AFTER THE RAIN IT STARTS RELEASING AND THAT ADDRESSES THE PROBLEM.
THAT'S SOMETHING PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT YOU DON'T HEAR THAT BROUGHT UP VERY OFTEN BECAUSE DEVELOPERS, FRANKLY, DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
IT'S PRETTY COSTLY. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN AND WE WERE WILLING TO DO THAT. WE'D HAVE TO DO THE STUDY.
WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL FLOODING AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT THAT OTHER GENTLEMAN SAID ABOUT IT AIN'T HAPPENING IN SOUTHLAKE.
>> YES. I'M A CREEK VIEW RESIDENT.
I ACTUALLY LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO YOU MS. DEBBY, AND I'M ECHOING WITH ALL MY HOA PRESIDENT AND MY NEIGHBORS AND THE GENTLEMEN HERE.
WHAT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BRING LOTS OF DUST, NOISE, EVERYTHING WILL BE TERRIBLE FOR US.
SINCE WE'RE PAID VERY HIGH PREMIUM JUST TO LIVE ALONG BEAR CREEK SO OUR BACKYARD CAN SEE THE NICE VIEW OF THE BEAR CREEK RIVER AND THE OPEN AREA.
BUT NOW ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THEY PUT A LOT OF FUEL DIRT.
THERE IS SO DUSTY LATELY AND I CAN'T IMAGINE FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS IF THE CONSTRUCTION STARTED, DAYS AND NIGHTS WILL BE TERRIBLE.
THAT'S THE IMMEDIATE CONCERN. THANK YOU.
>> ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE RECEIVED TWO QUESTIONS AND COMMENT FORMS THAT WERE SUBMITTED ELECTRONICALLY PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
I WILL READ BOTH AFTER THE FIRST ONE.
LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT TO REPLY.
IF NOT, I'LL CONTINUE TO THE SECOND ONE.
THE FIRST ONE, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL NEED FOR SENIOR FACILITIES, I ABSOLUTELY OPPOSE ANY BEING DEVELOPED AS RENTAL APARTMENTS IN SOUTHLAKE.
IF THEY ARE OWNED BY THE RESIDENT AS HAS BEEN THE CASE PREVIOUSLY, THEN THEY SHOULD STAND ON THEIR OWN MERITS. CONTINUE.
>> THERE'S A TREMENDOUS NEED FOR RENTAL HOUSING IS THE SENIOR LIVING.
YOU DON'T OWN SENIOR LIVING, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT.
>> THE SECOND COMMENT, THE EGRESS AND INGRESS OF THIS CREEK SIDE PET CARE OFF DAVIS BOULEVARD IS ALREADY A HAZARDOUS SITUATION FOR CLIENTS.
THEN COUPLED THAT WITH CUE TRIPS, EXTENSIVE BUSINESS TRAFFIC PATTERNS, THE BEAR CREEK PARKWAY, DAVIS LIGHT IS OVERLOADED.
NOW YOU WANT TWO DIFFERENT ADDITIONAL BUSINESS RETIREMENT COMMUNITY AND COMMERCIAL INTO AN ALREADY DIFFICULT INTERSECTION TO NAVIGATE.
WE FEEL SOUTHLAKE NEEDS TO ADDRESS THE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES PRIOR TO APPROVING THESE ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES. THANK YOU.
>> AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, RIGHT TURN IN RIGHT TURN OUT.
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT DAVIS, AS IT'S CONSTRUCTED, IS PLANNED FOR 50,000 CARS A DAY.
I KNOW THERE'S TRAFFIC, BUT IT'S PLANNED TO BE EXPANDED.
I HAVE NO MORE COMMENTS ON THAT. I THANK EVERYBODY.
>> SORRY, I HAVE ONE MORE THAT JUST CAME THROUGH MY EMAIL.
THIS QUESTION COMMENT SAYS, I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSAL OF A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY ON DAVIS BOULEVARD.
I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CONCEPT.
WE NEED MORE OPTIONS FOR ELDERLY PEOPLE TO LIVE.
MY CONCERN IS PUBLIC SAFETY, DRIVING ON DAVIS IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
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SPEEDING AND DISTRACTED DRIVING IS AN EVERYDAY OCCURRENCE.THE COMBINATION OF ADDITIONAL ELDERLY DRIVERS AND THE CURRENT SAFETY SITUATION IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.
MY SUGGESTION IS TO HAVE A CRACKDOWN BY POLICE NOW.
I RARELY SEE ANY POLICE OFFICERS ON DAVIS.
I'M AWARE THIS AS A MULTIPLE MUNICIPALITY ISSUE.
THEY NEED TO ALL WORK TOGETHER ON THIS ISSUE.
ALSO, THIS WILL BE THE FOURTH RETIREMENT COMMUNITY ON DAVIS BOULEVARD.
>> A COMMENT THAT I SHOULD HAVE MADE EARLIER, BUT GOING TO THAT IS YES, OUR RESIDENTS DRIVE.
YES, WE HAVE A PARKING GARAGE.
YES, THEY EXPECT THAT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A VAN.
WE ALSO HAVE RIDESHARE VEHICLES.
WE PLAN ON HAVING TWO VEHICLES THAT ARE EV RIDESHARE, AND WE TAKE EVERYBODY TO THE DOCTOR THAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR RENT AS LONG AS YOU'RE WITHIN A SEVEN OR EIGHT MILE DISTANCE.
WHILE PEOPLE DO HAVE CARS, THEY EXPECT TO HAVE CARS, YOU CAN'T EXPECT SOMEBODY OF AFFLUENCE IN A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS TO GIVE UP THEIR CAR UNTIL THEY HAVE TO AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE USING THE CAR THAT OFTEN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR MEALS THERE.
IT'S NOT THE SAME AS OUR AVERAGE RESIDENT MOVING IN WILL BE 78 YEARS OLD.
IT'S NOT THE SAME AS SOMEBODY YOUNGER USING THE DAVIS AVENUE, DRAMATICALLY LESS TRAFFIC.
WE HAVEN'T RUN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE MAIN ISSUE OR NON-ISSUE I SHOULD SAY IS THAT TRAFFIC PEAK AND NON PEAK.
PEAK TRAFFIC MORNING, AFTERNOON, SCHOOL HOUR, THAT'S NOT WHEN OUR PEOPLE ARE GOING OUT.
THEY'RE COMING DOWN. THERE'S BREAKFAST, THERE'S CONTINENTAL BREAKFAST INCLUDED.
THEY GET MEALS SEPARATELY ON THEIR CARD.
THEY'RE NOT GOING OUT TO 10:00.
OUR RESIDENTS ARE HARDLY EVER OUT DURING PEAK HOURS AND IT'S THE PEAK HOURS THAT ARE YOUR TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
THAT'S ONE KEY DIFFERENCE WITH SENIOR HOUSING.
THIS DISTRICT DOES ALLOW FOR MIXED USE AND APARTMENTS.
IF YOU HAD A THIRD OF THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS, NON SENIOR PEOPLE WORKING, YOU'D HAVE MORE TRAFFIC THAN WE WOULD HAVE BECAUSE THE NATURE OF THE 78-YEAR-OLD THAT HAS SERVICES- HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO YOU CONTEMPLATE SUPPORTING THIS FACILITY AND THE BUSINESS THING IN FRONT THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING AND GOING PROBABLY DURING RUSH HOUR.
>> GENERALLY, THE SHIFTS ARE 07:00 A.M, 3:00 PM.
THERE'S GENERAL OVERALL, ABOUT 27 EMPLOYEES, YOUR DAY SHIFT WOULD HAVE ABOUT 12 OR 14 COMING AT 07:00 A.M. AND LEAVING 3:00.
EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THREE OR FOUR THAT ARE ADMINISTRATIVE, THAT MIGHT COME 09:00 -5:00.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHEN WE SEE THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC.
THAT INTERSECTION OF CONTINENTAL AND DAVIS IS A NIGHTMARE.
PEOPLE CAN'T GET TO WORK DUE TO THE CROWDING THAT BACKS UP ON CONTINENTAL, BACKS UP INTO THE CONTENT OF BACKS UP ONTO DAVIS WE'RE GOING TO ADD MORE TO THAT.
>> IT'LL BE A BLESSING IF SENIORS CAN BE PROVIDED IN A FRACTION OF THE TRAFFIC OF EVERYBODY ELSE.
AS THE AGENT PLACE, IT'LL BE EVEN MORE SO.
>> I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE QUICK THING.
JUST KEEP IN MIND BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOUR CONCEPT.
IT'S BRILLIANT. I LOOKED IT OVER AND QUITE HAPPY WITH IT.
JUST AT THE END OF YOUR SENTENCE, PUT IN SOUTHLAKE.
WHAT I'D BE HAPPY WITH IT IN SOUTHLAKE NO. DONE AND DONE.
IS IT A GOOD IDEA FOR SHUFFLING NO? BECAUSE RENTAL, IT'S JUST PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
I WILL, SINCE I'M ON THE RECORD SAY I'M SO SURE THAT THIS WON'T GET APPROVED, I WILL MOVE OUT OF SOUTHLAKE IF IT IS.
>> IF I COULD I GOT OTHER PEOPLE'S NAME. I DIDN'T GET YOUR NAME.
>> YOUR LAST NAME? J-E-S-O-N, I GOT IT.
MIKE ROSEBERRY IS HERE TO PRESENT OUR SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS SPIN 2023-03.
AN APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A HIGH END EXPRESS CAR WASH LOCATED AT 101 NORTH PEARSON LEAN.
>> HI. I AM MIKE AND THIS IS ALSO MIKE, FATHER'S SON.
ROSEBERRY, WE'RE CAR WASH OPERATORS, WE HAVE FOUR IN THE LOCAL AREA.
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WE LIVE ABOUT FIVE METERS AWAY IN KELLER.WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A HIGH END EXPRESS CAR WASH, SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AND PEARSON, AND IT WOULD BE CLOSE TO HOME THEY'RE OPERATED BY US SO IT WOULD JUST BE AN OPTION THAT WE FEEL THAT THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY THERE'S ONE FULL-SERVICE CAR WASH.
THIS WILL GIVE AN OPTION FOR RESONANCE TO HAVE A HIGH-QUALITY.
IT'S A TWO-MINUTE CAR WASH AND WE USE TOP OF THE LINE EQUIPMENT SO TOMMY IS A FRANCHISE THAT WE JOINED.
THE REASON WE JOINED HOMIES IS BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF THE WASH. QUALITY OF THE EQUIPMENT, IT'S NOT LIKE DOWN DOWN THE STREET YOU HAVE WHITEWATER.
THE NEW TIDAL WAVE. IT'S DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT REALLY HIGH-END VACUUMS. THE NOISE IT'S NOT THE SAME AS IT IS AT THOSE OTHER CAR WASHES.
ANYWAYS, I CAN GO THROUGH THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO PAY ANYTHING OUT OF.
>> THE BELTS REALLY LIKE MY WIFE HATES, DRIVE IT ONTO THE CONVEYOR WHERE YOU HAVE TO LINE UP THE WHEEL.
THIS ONE HAS A BELT, SO IT'S REALLY EASY.
PRETTY MUCH ANY CARTILAGE RIGHT ON EVEN THE BIGGER TRUCKS, JULIE'S IN SEXUAL FIT.
>> THE TIDAL WAVE, MY TRUCK WE'RE ACTUALLY WANTING FOR THEIR A TIDAL WAVE THERE.
I HAVE TO GO TO WHITEWATER BECAUSE IT'S LOCAL BUT I DON'T LIKE DOING IT BECAUSE THE VACUUM IS ALWAYS FALL APART IN MY HANDS AND IT'S THEIR CONVEYOR SYSTEM THE BELT IT'S PRETTY NEAT.
LIKE I SAID, WE JOINED TOMMY'S IS THE FRANCHISE.
THIS YEAR THEY'RE PROJECTED TO HAVE 193 LOCATIONS.
IT'S GROWING. I THINK IT'S THE FOURTH FASTEST FRANCHISE AND THE COUNTRY.
THEY HOLD US TO THE HIGHEST STANDARDS AS OPERATORS.
WE HAVE TO KEEP THIS SITE'S VERY CLEAN AT ALL TIMES.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT EVERYTHING IS PRETTY HIGH STANDARDS AND OBVIOUSLY THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE ALSO AS THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY AS WELL.
TRASHES REALLY IMPORTANT TO US AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DO OUR HOURLY INSPECTION CHECKS ON ALL THE EQUIPMENT INSIDE THE WASH, BUT OUTSIDE AND MIXTURE OF THE VACUUM IS ALL WORKING PROPERLY.
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. IT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY.
ABOUT 30% OF THE WATER THAT WE USE ON EACH CAR IS ALSO RECYCLED.
WE HAVE RECLAIMED TANKS AS WELL, SO NOTHING GETS INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM, THE BUILDING AND THE ACRYLIC ROOF FELT IS GOOD.
I'LL GET TO THE IMAGES ARE WHAT THE BUILDING WILL LOOK LIKE.
BUT THERE'S A CLEAR ACRYLIC ROOFS SO WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH ALLOWS NATURAL LIGHT TO COME IN.
YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CLAUSTROPHOBIC FEELING WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A TUNNEL.
LIKE I SAID, ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY, THIS IS A BALLPARK.
WE'LL LOOK WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE INSIDE THE TUNNEL.
DURING THE DAY WE REALLY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO USE ANY ELECTRICITY AS FAR AS LIGHTING.
THE LIGHTING THAT WE DO HAVE IS ALL LED.
OUR STANDARD, LET ME FIRST FORWARD HERE.
THAT'S THE WIDTH OF STANDARD THOMAS CAR WASH LOOKS LIKE.
WHEN WE PRESENTED THAT TO THE CITY, THEY WANTED SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THAT'S FINE. NO PROBLEM THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY EVEN CHANGE THIS AS WELL TO HAVE IT LOOK LIKE A LOT OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS FROM THE RESIDENCE AS WELL.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALTER THE LOOK OF IT.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
WE'D HAVE THREE PAY LINES LIKE THIS.
THAT IT'D BE COULD SEE THE VACUUM ZONE INSIDE CLEAR THE WINDOWS.
ESSENTIALLY YOU JUST DRIVE UP AND YOU JUST ROLL RIGHT ON.
WE CAN PROCESS UP TO 200 CARS WITHIN AN HOUR.
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VERY EFFICIENT AND SO THERE'S NEVER REALLY A TRAFFIC ISSUE.THEY'VE NEVER IN THE COUNTRY HAD ANY ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC BECAUSE FROM THIS STACKING, I'LL GET TO THE STACKING IN A SECOND, BUT I'LL SHOW YOU, BUT WE CAN FIT UP TO FIVE CARS ON THE CONVEYOR AT ONE TIME.
THIS IS THE STACKING RIGHT HERE, BUT WE CAN DO ABOUT 35 CARS AT ONE TIME BETWEEN THE PAY LANES, THE FIVE SITTING INSIDE, AND THEN THE COUPLE WAITING TO GET INSIDE THE TUNNEL.
AGAIN, WITH A TWO MINUTE WASH, WE'D NEVER HAVE A TRAFFIC BACKUP.
I BELIEVE THAT'S MOST OF OUR PRESENTATION.
>> HAVE YOU CONCLUDED YOUR PRESENTATION?
>> THIS ITEM IS NOW OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
WE ASK THOSE WITH QUESTIONS, PLEASE USE MICROPHONES SO THAT THOSE LISTENING FROM HOME CAN HEAR.
>> GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS WENDY CHARLES.
MY ADDRESS IS 3,200 JORDAN DRIVE.
I'M ON THE STREET BEHIND WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING THIS WASH.
I'M SO HAPPY THAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO THAT.
HOWEVER, I'VE LIVED IN SOUTHLAKE SINCE 1993.
I FOUGHT WITH HIM ABOUT THOSE WATER TOWERS.
I HAD A BEAUTIFUL WHITE PICKET FENCE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE THAT WILL MOVE FROM ONE CORNER TO THE BACK.
THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE SAID THEY WERE GOING TO REPLACE IT.
THEY NEVER DID. THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO PUT TREES AND EVERYTHING TO MAKE EVERYTHING LOOK BEAUTIFUL.
NOW, THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PUT ON A STRIP CENTER IN FRONT, AND WE AGREED TO THAT.
WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T MIND THAT.
I DON'T MIND A CAR WASH IF IT'S ALL INDOORS, LIKE A SUPER STADIUM. YOUR VACUUMS TOO.
MY POINT IS, I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY LIGHT.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY NOISE, AND OUR OTHER CONCERN IS THERE'S A CHURCH THAT JUST CAME IN AND IT'S HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT THEY NOW DRIVE OVER THERE.
NOW YOU GENTLEMEN ARE PROPOSING 2-300 MORE CARS ON A CORNER COMING IN AND OUT? I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY ABSURD.
NOT ONLY THAT, THERE'S A GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET.
THAT, AGAIN, HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND OUT.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE PROMISED THAT THAT AREA WOULD BE A STRIPSON.
THEY SAID HOPKINS INN WAS PUTTING A STRIP CENTER IN THERE.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I EXPECT THEM TO DO BECAUSE WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THE UGLINESS OF THE TOWERS.
WE STILL DEAL WITH THE UGLINESS OF THE TOWERS BECAUSE THEY NEVER DID PUT THE TREES AND MAKE IT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
THEN WHEN THEY PAINT THE TOWERS, IT TOTALLY DESTROYED SOME OF OUR CARS.
IT DESTROYED OUR POOLS, AND WHEN YOU COME TO TALK TO SOUTHLAKE, THEN YOU HAD TO FIGHT FOR ALL THE REPLACEMENT COST OF THAT.
THE GENTLEMAN, THAT WAS DIRECTOR WHITE THAT MADE THESE PROMISES, HE'S NOT EVEN HERE, BUT I'M STILL THERE AND SO IS MY NEIGHBOR.
I'M GOING TO LET MY NEIGHBOR TALK TO YOU AS WELL.
BUT GENTLEMEN, I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST OF SUCCESS WITH YOUR BUSINESS, BUT NOT ON MY CORNER. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. HI. I'M GENES DEAL.
I LIVE AT 3210, JORDAN DRIVE IN SOUTHLAKE.
ON THIS JORDAN DRIVE IS THE STREET BEHIND AND I GUESS THE LOT AT 101 PEARSON WOULD BE SEPARATED JUST BY A COUPLE OF THE LOTS THAT THE CITY OWNS.
BUT THE CITY HAS BEEN USING THOSE TO DRIVE OR MAYBE IT'S THE WATER DISTRICT, THE FORT WORTH WATER AUTHORITY OR SOMETHING.
THEY GO OUT THERE AND PERIODICALLY STILL WORKING ON SOME PROJECT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT.
I GUESS MY BIG CONCERN IS THE NOISE AND THE LIGHTS AND THE TRAFFIC.
THOSE THREE THINGS WHICH I'M NOT SURE THERE'S MUCH I CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
IT'S CONFUSING TO ME IF THEY'RE SEEING THE ADDRESS IS 101 PEARSON BECAUSE THERE'S A REALLY LARGE DITCH THAT ACTUALLY IF THEY'RE SEEING THE ACCESS ROAD IS GOING TO BE ON PEARSON,
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THEN IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO CROSS THAT DITCH, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S WORKING NOW.[OVERLAPPING] MAYBE YOU GUYS COVERED THIS, I DIDN'T HEAR EXACTLY.
RIGHT NOW IT SHOWS US LIKE THIS, PEARSON 1709 IS THE OWNER ON THE TAX ROLLS, AND SO I'M NOT SURE ARE YOU GUYS UNDER CONTRACT TO BUY THE LAND AND DO THAT, AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO USE SOME FINANCING TO DO ALL THAT.
>> WE'RE IN CONTACT WITH MIKE HOPKINS, HE WILL ISSUE PENSION EARLIER.
HE PLANS TO BUILD A RETAIL STRIP THERE AND IT FELT THROUGH.
HE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE.
SO HE DECIDED TO SELL THE PROPERTY.
>> I GUESS I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, I GUESS.
YOU'RE TELLING ME THINGS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW, SO THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD.
I'M JUST HOPING WE'RE NOT HEADED INTO SOME RECESSION OR SOMETHING.
YOU START A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND THEN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SAW.
THE CHURCH, IT WAS LIKE IN FITS AND STARTS.
IT WOULD BE LIKE THEY WOULD EVIDENTLY BE WAITING A LONG TIME FOR A DRAW OR WHATEVER, AND THAT'S IN KELLER TOO. THE CHURCH'S IN KELLER.
IT JUST THAT IT TOOK A LOT LONGER THAN YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THERE.
I WOULD HATE TO SEE A PROJECT STARTED AND THEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG AND IT JUST SITS THERE, A DERELICT CONSTRUCTION PROJECT FOREVER.
THAT'S BESIDES THE NOISE, AND THE TRAFFIC, AND THE LIGHTS, THEN THAT'S MY OTHER THING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS, THAT IS REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT AND EXECUTED AND NOT JUST LIKE SOMETHING THAT GETS STARTED AND THEN THEY RUN OUT OF MONEY AND THAT GETS TAKEN OVER BY THE LENDER AND THEN IT SITS THERE AND NEVER GETS FINISHED.
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> I'M SORRY. LET ME ADD ONE OTHER THING.
THE OTHER THING THAT THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO WITH THE LAND IN FRONT OF ME, THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE PARK.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT EITHER.
I CAN'T BELIEVE SOUTHLAKE IN WHAT THEY AGREE TO AND THEN HOW THEY PERFORM, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF EVERYTHING IS IN DOORS, LIKE THE STRIP CENTER WAS GOING TO BE, I'M GOOD.
BUT I DON'T WANT VACUUM CLEANERS.
WE DON'T WANT ANY NOISE OR THINGS LIKE THAT GOING ON.
I'M SAYING THIS AGAIN BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO SAY TO SOUTHLAKE, THIS TIME, WHATEVER YOU GUYS AGREE TO DO, PLEASE DO WHAT YOU SAY AND WHATEVER YOU PROMISED THE RESIDENTS, DELIVER.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1993.
SO I'M REALLY IRRITATED BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT PERFORMED.
THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A NEW PARK BEHIND ME NEAR FLORENCE ELEMENTARY, INSTEAD OF PUTTING ONE IN FRONT OF US, LIKE THEY PROMISED THEY WOULD DO THINGS TO BEAUTIFY IT, THAT THEY WOULD NEVER SELL THAT PROPERTY.
THEN THEY NOW SOLD THE PROPERTY, HOPKINS ACTUALLY SOLD THE PROPERTY TO YOU.
WELL, THEY DIDN'T INFORM US THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND THEY WERE NOT GOING TO DO A STRIP CENTER.
NOW WE'VE GOT A WHOLE ANOTHER THING.
HERE'S ANOTHER LIE THAT I'M LIVING WITH THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. THANK YOU.
I STEPPED OUT RIGHT AS YOU BEGIN YOUR PRESENTATION.
ARE YOU 101 NORTH PEARSON? IS THAT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PEARSON IN 1709?
>> THE ENTRANCE TO THE TWO-YEAR FACILITY WILL BE OFF OF PEARSON OR BOTH PEARSON AND 1709?
>> WE'RE PURCHASING THE ENTIRE PROPERTY FROM HOPKINS.
WE'RE PURCHASING THE WHOLE THING AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ACCESS ALREADY WITH THE CURB CUT OUT NEXT TO THE SOUTHLAKE UTILITIES THAT WE WE'LL HAVE ACCESS AS WELL, AND THEN ON PEARSON WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A CULVERT OVER THAT NEW BIG DITCH THAT SEEMED LIKE IT GOT BIGGER.
>> OPPOSITE TO THE ONE YOU HAVE.
>> YEAH. IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN.
THAT'S ALREADY THERE. IT WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER ONE CLOSER.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO PICTURE WHERE YOU ARE.
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>> YEAH. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME THING I ACTUALLY CAME HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS ONE AND THE OTHER ONE WHEN I HEARD THREE OR FOUR STORY BUILDING.
THE SAME COMMENTS, IF YOU TALK TO TEXTS OUT ABOUT THIS, YOU GAVE US THE NUMBER OF THE CARS THAT YOU CAN HANDLE PER HOUR, 300.
SO 10 HOUR WORKDAY, THAT'LL BE OPERATIONAL, OR EIGHT?
>> WELL, I DON'T HAVE THAT MANY, BUT YEAH.
>> NO, THAT'S NUMBER YOU SAID. SO 300.
>> YOU SAID YOU CAN HANDLE 300 CARS PER HOUR.
>> WE'RE NOT EXPECTING MORE THAN 500 A DAY.
>> BUT YOU CAN HANDLE 2000 A DAY?
>> WELL, WE HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY.
>> I LIVE IN VERMILION COURT, UNLESS THE OTHER ONE PASSES, AND APPARENTLY I'LL LEAVE, AND I WILL HOLD MYSELF TO THAT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AN ACCELERATION OR DECELERATION LANE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ALL THROUGH JERICHO BACK TO DAVIS TO PEARSON, EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC THERE.
TO GET TO THIS MEETING TONIGHT, I LEFT MY HOUSE AT 05:30, TURN RIGHT ON VERMILION COURT, WHICH I'M SURE YOU KNOW OF, AND THEN I CAN EITHER GET ACROSS TRAFFIC, NOT HAPPENING DURING RUSH HOUR, OR I CAN GO UP TO THE LIGHT AND U TURN, SIX MINUTES TO GET FACING EAST ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD FROM MY STREET VEMILION COURT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO DUMP PEOPLE OUT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HANDLE 200 CARS AN HOUR.
THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET IN, BUT THEY AREN'T GETTING OUT AND GOING ANYWHERE.
THEY CAN BE STUCK IN YOUR PARKING LOT AND HONKING, AND I DIDN'T EXPECT TO SPEND 20 MINUTES.
THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS STUDY HAS GOT TO BE DONE BEFORE YOU EVEN PLAN ON THIS.
THE OTHER THING WHEN I SAW THIS, IT'S LIKE, DID YOU DO MARKET RESEARCH? I CAN'T FIND A SINGLE PERSON I KNOW IN WESTLAKE OR SOUTHLAKE OTHER CONSULTING, THAT WASHES THEIR OWN CAR.
THE GUY THAT I KNOW THAT HAS, HE COLLECTS HIGH-PERFORMANCE SPORTS CARS, HE LAUGHED AT THE THOUGHT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHO YOUR MARKETING THIS TO.
TO YOUR POINT, IS IT GOING TO SIT AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DIG OUT YOUR RECLAMATION TANKS, DESTROY ALL THE STRUCTURE YOU PUT UP, SO THAT THE OFFICES CAN FINALLY GO IN? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ONLY GETTING ONE CAR, SOMEBODY, I MIGHT AS WELL GET A CAR WASH ON THE WAY HOME.
IT'S NOT GOING TO KEEP YOU RUNNING.
THERE'S 711 ON PAYTON VILLE, QUICK DRIVE-THROUGH CAR WASHES.
THEN YOU'VE GOT TWO FULL-SERVICE CAR WASHES, VERY BUSY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE TAKE OUR CARS TO GET WASHED.
THAT'S ALL WE GOT FOR THAT TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. WE'LL HANDLE IT.
>> ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING ON THIS ITEM? WE'LL CONTINUE.
WE RECEIVED QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ELECTRONICALLY PRIOR TO THE MEETING TONIGHT, I WILL READ ONE.
THE PROPOSED HIGH AND EXPRESS CAR WASH BRINGS MUCH MORE TRAFFIC ENTERING AND EXITING OF 1709 THAN THE CURRENT BUSINESS.
THAT PROPOSED AREA DOES NOT HAVE ADEQUATE SAFE ENTRANCE OR EXIT OF 1709.
THE PEARSON SLASH 1709 CORNER LIGHT.
NEAR THIS WAS POST AREA, WOULD PREVENT SAVED ACCESS HOWEVER, IT HAS ALREADY RECEIVED A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC FROM THE KEY STONE CHURCH.
THE TRAFFIC LIGHT PATTERN, AT THE TIMES THE CHURCH LETS OUT IS COMPLETELY OVERWHELMED.
>> I ALSO HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT THAT CAME IN THROUGH OUR ONLINE QUESTION FORM.
THIS CAR WASH WOULD BE DIRECTLY NEXT TO RESIDENCES.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE IMPACT.
ALREADY THE GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET HAS CAUSED AN INCREASE IN NOISE AND IT DOES NOT BACKUP DIRECTLY TO A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
THERE ALREADY IS AN EXPRESS CAR WASH AT THE GAS STATION AT DAVIS IN SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AND A FULL-SERVICE JUST PASS PEARSON OFF-COLOR PARKWAY AND BLOOMFIELD.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE THERE IS A GREAT DEMAND FOR ANOTHER ONE.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF SOUND STUDIES THAT WE CAN PROVIDE ANYBODY YOU WANT IT.
IT TALKS ABOUT DIFFERENT DUSK LEVELS, WHAT OUR CAR WASH PUTS OUT AS FAR AS DECIBELS VERSUS EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE SPECTRUM, ALL THE WAY UP TO ABOUT 129 DECIBELS.
WE CAN PROVIDE ANY OF THAT AS WELL.
AND OUR VACUUMS ARE DIFFERENT, NOT LIKE WHITEWATER WHERE THEY'RE TURNED ON ALL THE TIME.
OURS ARE MANUAL OPERATED SO YOU PUSH A BUTTON AND THE VACUUM TURNS ON.
WE'VE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT ANYWHERE ABOUT NOISE.
>> THIS IS WENDY CHARLES AGAIN, IT TOOK US FIVE YEARS TO GET
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THE WATER TOWER NOISE ADJUSTED TO DECIBELS OF ACCEPTANCE.IT DEAFENED SOME OF THE NEIGHBOR'S DOGS.
WE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DECIBELS.
IF YOU WANT TO DO EVERYTHING IN LIKE I SAID, LIKE AN ARENA, LIKE AN INDOOR ARENA, AND YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN AND OUT, AND YOU CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO FLY THE CARS IN, BECAUSE MAYBE THEY JUST NEED TO BE FLIED IN LIKE THE JETSONS, VERSUS THE TRAFFIC, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE GETTING READY TO DO THAT.
PEARSON AS A THREE TO FOUR LANE OR THREE LANE? WHERE ARE YOU THEN? BUT MY POINT IS, IT'S A MESS TO BE IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
>> I'M JUST GOING TO ADD TO THAT, I DON'T QUITE HAVE THE PROBLEM THEY HAVE WHERE THEY DIRECTLY BUTT TO YOUR PROPERTY.
BUT AGAIN, ADD IN SOUTHLAKE BECAUSE MY HOUSE HAS DECIBEL METERS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE AT THE PROPERTY LINE, NOT WHERE MY HOUSE IS BECAUSE I LIVE ON AN ACRE THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
THE PERIMETER HAS A DECIBEL METER, LIGHTS SPILL OVER METER, ALL THAT.
IT TEXTS ME WHEN IT'S ABOVE THE LIMIT AT 09:00 P.M. WHEN SOUTHLAKE KICKS IT ON, IT TEXTS ME AND THEY WERE DOING CONSTRUCTION ON MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
THEY WANTED TO WORK ALL HOURS.
NOW, JUST CALL THE POLICE AND THEY SHUT THEM DOWN.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOUTHLAKE.
IF YOU PUT IT IN AND YOUR NOISE IS TOO HIGH BE PREPARED, WE WILL DO THAT.
IF YOU EXCEED THE DECIBELS, WE WILL CALL AND HAVE SOUTHLAKE PD SHOW UP.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET IN THAT IF IT IS.
I WOULD DEFINITELY GO TEST THAT BECAUSE IF IT HAPPENS TO THEM, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ESCALATED A LOT MORE THAN IT WOULD IF IT HAPPENED ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, THOSE 200, WHATEVER LOCATIONS. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. ROSEBERRY.
>> WE WILL CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT ITEM.
GRANT WICKARD IS HERE TO PRESENT OUR FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS SPIN 2023-04.
AN APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN APPROXIMATELY 37,600 SQUARE FOOT MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 2,300 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114.
>> GREETINGS. MY NAME IS GRANT WICKARD WITH GFF ARCHITECTS IN DALLAS.
WE'RE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF KIMBALL IN 114.
CURRENTLY ON THE BOTTOM LEFT HERE IS A SHELL STATION.
I'M NOT GOING TO ZOOM IN, BUT THERE'S AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL BUILDING THAT'S VACANT, THAT TAKES THE HEART OF THE SITE.
WHERE WE'RE COMBINING THREE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, SO THERE'S FRONTAGE ON SHADY LANE, THERE'S FRONTAGE ON KIMBALL, AND THERE'S FRONTAGE ON THE 114 ACCESS ROAD.
THERE ARE NO PROPOSED CURB CUTS ONTO 114.
WE'RE USING A SHARED ACCESS DRIVE.
YOU CAN SEE THE MOUSE, A SHARED ACCESS DRIVE AT THE HEART CORNER.
WE HAVE BUILDING 1, ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS A TWO-STORY BUILDING, OFFICE ABOVE RETAIL.
BUILDING 2 IS A CLUSTER RESTAURANT BUILDING THAT WOULD HAVE PATIOS ON THE BACKSIDE.
THEN BUILDING THREE ON THE UPPER LEFT IS A TWO-STORY PROPOSED SALON BUILDING.
EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS FORMULATE AROUND A COVER, NOT A COVER, AN OPEN EVENT SPACE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING TUCKED BEHIND THE BUILDING.
YOU'D HAVE SOME TEASER SPACES UP UPFRONT BY 114.
BUT IN GENERAL, THE THREE BUILDINGS ARE CITED SO THAT WE PRESERVE AS MUCH AS THE EXISTING TREE CANOPY AS POSSIBLE.
THEY ALSO GATHERED TO FORMULATE A BOUNDARY ON THE OUTSIDE OF THIS EVENT SPACE.
NEXT PAGE YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE EARLY LEVEL SCHEMATIC DESIGN, BUT THE BILLINGS ARE 100% MASONRY AND GLASS.
THERE'S NO PLASTER OR EFFECTS OR SOME OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS.
HERE YOU CAN SEE THE GLASSY SECOND FLOOR WITH PROJECTED OVERHANGS TO HELP SUN SHADING AND SCREENING.
ON THE LOW SLUNG RESTAURANT BUILDINGS TO THE LEFT.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING THREE TENANTS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A ROOF SCREEN TO SHIELD ANY ROOFTOP UNITS FROM VIEW.
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THIS IS THE ENTRY OFF OF 114 WHERE THE SHELL STATIONS ON THE LEFT.JUST AS YOU ENTER THE PROPERTY, THERE'S A NICE PASEO AREA WITH THE OFFICE OVERLOOKING THE GROUND FLOOR SHOP SPACE, TENANTS.
IN THE BACK, WE HAVE A NICELY LANDSCAPED GREEN SPACE THAT WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD CREATE.
WE DO HAVE 114 RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY SO NOISE POLLUTION AND TO CREATE AN ENCLAVE ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE'RE HAVING THE PATIO SPACES FRONT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEN THEY'RE BORDERED BY THE TWO LARGER BUILDINGS.
COMBINATION OF EXPOSED SEATING AND THEN COVERED SEATING.
YOU DO HAVE SOME DAYLIGHT, BUT YOU CAN ALSO BE PROTECTED FROM THE WEATHER AT DIFFERENT AREAS.
WE ANTICIPATE THE GREEN SPACE BEING USED FOR YOGA AND PILATES AND WALK YOUR DOG WHILE YOU'RE WAITING FOR TABLE SPACE.
AGAIN, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY CONCEPT FOR A TWO STORY SPA AND SALON.
AGAIN, GLASSY WITH A TEXAS VERNACULAR THAT'S NOT INHERENTLY WHITE STONE, BUT CONTEMPORARY YET NOT STYLIZED, IF YOU WILL.
SOME VERTICAL SCREENING ELEMENTS, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE ZONING GUIDELINES FOR ARTICULATION AND HEIGHT AND MATERIAL CHANGES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
WE'RE, VERY MUCH IN TUNE WITH WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR AS A BASELINE ZONING COMPONENT.
I'M GOING TO GO UP TO THE SITE PLAN AND OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
>> YOUR PRESENTATION IS CONCLUDED?
>> THIS ITEM IS NOW OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
WE ASK THAT THOSE WOULD QUESTIONS PLEASE USE THE MICROPHONES, SO THOSE LISTENING FROM HOME CAN HEAR.
>> JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE LAYOUT OF THE SHELL STATION IS YOU'RE WRAPPING AROUND THE SHELL STATION.
>> HELLO. I'M DAVID DOUT, I'VE LIVED IN SOUTHLAKE FOR ABOUT 45 YEARS.
I LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S JUST NORTH OF THAT.
A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS AND YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS.
YOU TALKED ABOUT COMBINING THREE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES TOGETHER FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION.
THE PROPERTY NORTH OF THE SHELL STATION AND THE PROPERTY OFF OF SHADY LANE, ARE THOSE CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON OR GROUP THAT OWNS THE CARPET BARN AT THIS TIME?
>> YES. [OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE IN THE ROOM.
IT'S NOT A CONTRACT TO BUY IF THIS GOES THROUGH, YOU'VE ALREADY OWNED THEM? IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. SECOND QUESTION, HOW LONG HAVE YOU OWNED THE PROPERTY WHERE THE CARPET BARN IS? FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS?
>> TEN YEARS, MORE THAN 10 YEARS.
>> HE SAID MORE THAN 10 YEARS.
>> IT DOESN'T MATTER HERE BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE CITY LOOK BETTER AND THAT'S PART OF YOUR PROPOSAL.
WHY IS THE VACANT CARPET BARN STILL THERE? WHY DIDN'T SOMEBODY GO IN 10 YEARS AGO AND TAKE THAT DOWN, DESTROY IT, AND IMPROVE THE LOOKS OF THAT WHOLE AREA? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER TO THAT.
BUT THAT BARN HAS BEEN AN EYESORE FOR OVER 10 YEARS [OVERLAPPING] AND THEN WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF FILL DIRT PUT IN THERE TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS AGO.
NOBODY TOOK ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT SHOWING UP.
NOBODY TOOK ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR GETTING IT OUT OF THERE.
IT WAS ALWAYS JUST SHOWED UP, WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
THAT'S THE INFORMATION WE GOT FROM THE CITY.
YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM BUT WE DON'T.
>> WE ACTUALLY DID NOT [INAUDIBLE]
>> YEAH, BUT IT WENT ON AND ON.
IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN ONE DAY BUT THAT'S OKAY.
ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE THERE IS NO ACCESS OFF OF SHADY LANE.
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I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. THANK YOU.>> THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT A SIDEWALK OR A CONNECTION FROM SHADY LANE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
DO YOU THINK THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF CROSS ACCESS FOR PEDESTRIAN ONLY?
>> [OVERLAPPING] I HATE TO TALK FOR 100 PEOPLE.
THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE ME I'LL BE TALKING FOR 100 PEOPLE.
>> BUT I DON'T THINK I NEED ACCESS TO THIS FACILITY.
YOU'VE GOT 230 PARKING SPOTS THERE.
IF I NEED TO GET THERE I CAN DRIVE.
IF I COULD GET IN AND OUT OF THE TWO ACCESS AS YOU HAVE.
YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE TONIGHT AT FIVE O'CLOCK, 5:30 WHEN I CAME TO THIS MEETING, 114 ACCESS ROAD WAS BACKED UP ALL THE WAY PAST, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE HILL A HALF A MILE EAST.
>> I DID, I EXITED AND TURNED LEFT ON KIMBALL.
>> [OVERLAPPING] SOMEONE COMING OUT OF THAT FACILITY.
THIS ISN'T THE PLACE TO FIGHT OVER THE ACCESS, BUT SOMEONE COMING OUT OF THAT FACILITY DURING BUSY TRAFFIC CANNOT GET OUT ON THE 114 ACCESS, SO THEY'RE GOING TO END UP GOING OUT THE NORTH ACCESS ON KIMBALL.
KIMBALL ROAD HAS A RIGHT TURN FROM 114, SO THERE'S LOTS OF TRAFFIC MAKING THAT TURN.
WHOEVER'S SITTING UP THERE BEHIND THAT SHELL STATION THAT WANTS TO GO SOUTH HAS GOT TO WAIT FOR THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM LOWE'S, HOME DEPOT AREA, COSTCO GOING NORTH ON KIMBALL.
THEN WHEN THE LIGHT CHANGES THERE, THEY GOT TO WAIT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LINED UP 20-25 CARS DEEP MAKING THAT SAME RIGHT TURN UP TO KIMBALL OFF OF 114, AND THEN THEY GOT TO SPACE THE TRAFFIC SOUTHBOUND ON KIMBALL TO WHERE I'M GOING TO FIT WHEN I GET OUT THERE? ACCESS HERE FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY IS A NIGHTMARE.
THAT SHOULDN'T KEEP SOMEONE FROM BUILDING THERE.
BUT THE REASON IT'S STILL A CARPET BARN IN MY OPINION IS THE ACCESS IS SO ATROCIOUS THAT NOBODY HAS BUILT UP THERE IN THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS.
YOU GUYS KNOW IT IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN THERE.
>> I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON SHADY LANE, AT 405 SHADY LANE, RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE YOU HAVE RETENTION POND. IS THAT WHAT THAT IS?
>> DETENTION. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
>> ONE KEEPS IT, ONE SLOWS IT DOWN.
>> YEAH, DETENTION COLLECTS WATER, RETENTION POND KEEPS WATER AT A STEADY LEVEL, SO IT IS A TRUE POND IN THIS CASE.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE HALF SWAMP AND HALF DIRT? [BACKGROUND]
>> IT CAN BE. OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AREA.
>> GOOD EVENING. I WOULD VENTURE TO CALL THIS LABOR LOVE.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS A LITTLE BIT SINCE 2016 AND HAD A LOT OF ITERATIONS ON THIS.
WE'RE MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT PART OF THIS IS STILL SOME SINGLE-FAMILY ONE ACRE AND WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS CONTINUE TO JUST STRETCH MORE STUFF OUT TO GET OVER BY SHADY LANE.
WE WANTED TO HAVE A GOOD BUFFER IN THERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF TREES IN THERE.
THERE'S AN OBVIOUS SPOT FOR DETENTION.
YOU KNOW HOW IT IS IN SOUTHLAKE, EVERYBODY'S GOT TO HAVE DETENTION.
THIS ONE IS OUT OF SIGHT OUT OF MIND BUT IT ALSO GIVES SOME OPEN SPACE THAT WILL BE WELL-KEPT JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE PROPERTY.
IN TERMS OF DETENTION VERSUS RETENTION, IT'S ALL GOT TO BE ENGINEERED.
YOU CAN'T DO IT ON A WAG AND JUST EXPECT FOR IT TO WORK.
AS WE GET INTO THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS IT WILL ALL BECOME PRETTY CLEAR AS TO HOW MUCH DETENTION WE NEED.
WE FEEL LIKE WE SET ASIDE A BIG ENOUGH AREA FOR THAT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A LITTLE A WALKING TRAIL AROUND IT I THINK WHICH IS WHY HE ASKED IF SOMEBODY WOULD WANT TO HAVE FOOT ACCESS FOR THAT COMING OUT [NOISE] OF SHADY.
I LIVE ON KIMBALL, SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK OUR PREFERENCE, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO.
Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THE ENTRANCE RIGHT NOW COMING INTO THE SHELL STATION.
IT'S THIS TIGHT LITTLE SQUIRRELY THING.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE STRAIGHTENED THAT OUT TO MAKE IT MORE
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OF AN INVITING AND WIDER ENTRANCE AS YOU COME INTO THE PROPERTY AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT YOU'LL SEE IS VASTLY DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.WHEN YOU TURN IN, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE THROUGH-OUT WIDTH COMING IN THERE AND A LOT EASIER ACCESS IN AND OUT.
LIKE I SAID, PREFERABLY WITH A FACILITY THAT'S BEING BUILT LIKE THIS, THAT THE BULK OF THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME IN THE MAIN ACCESS WILL BE THE ONE ON KIMBALL, NOT SO MUCH THE SHELL STATION.
THE SHELL STATION IS NOT WHAT WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT.
IT'S AN ACCESS BUT IT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT. DOES THAT HELP?
>> I'M A LITTLE HARD HEARING. YOU SAID THE MAIN ACCESS IS GOING BE WHERE ON THE NORTH?
>> THE ONE ON KIMBALL RIGHT ACROSS STREET FROM SCOOTERS.
>> THE ACCESS FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN IN THERE THAT WANTS TO GO SOME DIRECTION OTHER THAN NORTH ON KIMBALL WILL HAVE TO CROSS THREE LANES OF KIMBALL TRAFFIC.
>> NO, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE THERE'S AN OUTLET.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL USE THE OUTLET THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE SHELL STATION.
BUT MOST OF THAT TRAFFIC WILL COME DOWN.
IT'LL COME DOWN KIMBALL AND AS THEY CROSS KIMBALL, THEN THEY'LL GO OVER THERE AND THEY WILL TURN IN OFF OF KIMBALL.
THAT'S PREFERRED. THAT'S WHERE THE SIGNAGE IS GOING TO BE.
WE WANT TO DRAW THEM INTO THAT LOCATION.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN DOWN KIMBALL? SOUTH OR NORTH? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DOWN KIMBALL.
>> SCOOTERS. RIGHT ACROSS STREET FROM SCOOTERS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] SCOOTERS IS TO THE WEST.
>> THAT'S WHERE WE'RE WANTING THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO BE.
NOW, ONCE YOU'RE IN THERE, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN JUST COME OUT AND THERE IS A DECELERATION LANE RIGHT THERE.
>> WHERE IS THE DECELERATION LANE?
>> IT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. IT'S YOUR RIGHT TURN AS YOU'RE COMING OFF OF 114, YOUR RIGHT TURN, [OVERLAPPING] YOU'RE IN A DECELERATION LANE.
>> PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE FACILITY SOUTHBOUND 114 ACCESS AND THE ONLY PLACE THEY CAN GO IS NORTH OF KIMBALL.
>> THE LANE THAT YOU'RE HAVING HERE EXITS SOUTHBOUND ON 114.
THAT LANE THAT YOU JUST SAID WAS A DECELERATION TURN LANE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THAT FACILITY INTO THAT TURN LANE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO TAKE A RIDE IN THE NEXT 100 FEET OR THE THICKNESS OF THAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'M JUST TELLING YOU, I DRIVE PAST THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY AND I GET [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOU DON'T DRIVE INTO IT EVERY DAY THOUGH.
YOU DON'T DRIVE INTO IT. I DRIVE PAST IT EVERY DAY.
>> NO, I DON'T BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT ENTRANCE THAT'S COMING THAT YOU WOULD TURN OFF OF KIMBALL INTO THE GET BEHIND THE GAS STATION, THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THE, EVERYTHING IS BIGGER.
WE WERE COMPLETELY REDOING THAT ENTRANCE.
>> THAT WILL GET THE PEOPLE OFF OF 114 INTO THE FACILITY.
THE KIMBALL ENTRANCE EXIT WILL GET THE PEOPLE EVERYWHERE ELSE COMING IN THERE.
>> YOUR EXIT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE THE KIMBALL EXIT, THAT WILL BE ONLY.
AT THE SOUTHBOUND YOU CAN'T GET ACROSS.
YOU CAN'T GO TO DALLAS COMING UP THE SOUTHBOUND [OVERLAPPING]
>> ONCE PEOPLE GO THROUGH HERE AND GET USED TO KNOWING WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO OUT, IT'S A VAST IMPROVEMENT OF WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW IF YOU WERE COMING INTO THE SHELL OFF OF KIMBALL.
>> EXCEPT THERE'S NOT 200 PROPERTY SLOTS IN THERE AND NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC YOU'RE PROPOSING.
YOU CAN'T SAY IT IS GOING TO GET BETTER.
>> WELL, IT IS GOING TO GET BETTER.
THE ENTRANCE INTO KIMBALL LIKE I SAID, THAT'S IT.
[BACKGROUND] IT'S GOING TO LOOK GOOD.
WE'VE WORKED ON IT FOR A LONG TIME, SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE VETTED IT OUT PRETTY WELL.
>> IT MAY LOOK GOOD, BUT IT'S ALREADY A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE THERE.
I GO BY IT AT A HALF A DOZEN TIMES A DAY.
NORTH-SOUTH ON KIMBALL WHEN YOU COME, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR THEM TO MAKE THAT TURN IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF CUSTOMERS GOING NORTH ON KIMBALL OFF OF 114. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, AND THAT'S WHY THEY [OVERLAPPING] LEAVE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT LONGER.
>>THEN WHEN THEY COME OUT OF YOUR DEAL THERE,
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TRYING TO GO BACK ONTO 114, IT'S GOING TO BE AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE BECAUSE LIKE HE SAYS, ARE CROSSING AT LEAST THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC.NOW WHAT IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF YOUR PARKING LOT THERE? THE FACT THAT I LIVE RIGHT ON SHADY LANE ACROSS THE STREET AND THIS IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, I'M AGAINST IT ALL THE WAY.
WHAT IS THAT, TREES OR WHAT IS THAT?
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE SQUIRLY LOOKING THINGS RIGHT HERE?
>> YEAH, THAT WHOLE THING. WHAT IS THAT? [LAUGHTER]
>> WHY? THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
>> WELL, THEY WERE ALREADY THERE.
>> BUT THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL STRIP, KIMBALL'S A COMMERCIAL STRIP.
YOU'RE WANTING TO KEEP THAT FOR WHAT REASON? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. [OVERLAPPING]
>> PARTIALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO KEEP A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TREES AND THIS IS A NICE LITTLE GROVE AND IT SITS DOWN IN A LOW, YOU ALL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU'VE SEEN IT, AND THERE'S NO REASON TO TAKE THOSE OUT, [OVERLAPPING] JUST TO TAKE THEM OUT.
>> WELL, BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE EITHER.
THERE WERE A WHOLE LOT OF TREES DIRECTLY SOUTH OF MY PROPERTY.
IF YOU CAN GO TO SHADY LANE AT 405, THEY CAME IN WITH CANOPY COURT AND THAT WHOLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS SITTING THERE WAITING TO BE DONE IN LOW TWO STORY OFFICES.
THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR THREE YEARS AND NOTHING BUT CONCRETE AND SO FORTH HAS BEEN DONE, NO BUILDING.
THEY WIPED OUT THAT WHOLE FIELD OF TREES AND THE NOISE FACTOR ON MY HOUSE IS FIVE TIMES WHAT IT USED TO BE.
YOU'RE WANTING TO KEEP THAT OFF AT KIMBALL, BUT SOUTHLAKE, WHEN THE GUYS CAME IN, COST MAKERS CAME IN AND DEVELOP THAT SUPPOSEDLY, THAT WAS HIS PLAN, RIGHT UP TO THE LAST MINUTE, THEY WERE GOING TO LEAVE A LOT OF TREES.
THEN SOMETIME IN THE MIDNIGHT HOUR GOOD OLD SOUTHLAKE MUST HAVE GIVEN IN AND THEY WIPED 100 PERCENT OF IT OUT.
NOW IT'S NOTHING BUT CONCRETE AND A RETENTION POND AND I GET ALL THE NOISE OFF OF THAT AND SO DO THE NEIGHBORS HEADING UP NORTH ON SHADY LANE.
BUT YOU'VE GOT A COMMERCIAL STREET THERE IN KIMBALL.
WHY NOT PUT THAT TO USE? BUT BEING RESIDENTIAL, I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT YOUR DETENTION POND, WHICH IS JUST A SWAMP, AND A GREAT BIG PARKING LOT, WHICH IS JUST GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF NOISE BECAUSE OF CARS.
IF YOU TOOK THE MIDDLE OF BUILDING 1 THERE AND YOU HAVE THAT LINE THERE GOING NORTH, SO TO SPEAK, IF YOU STARTED THE MIDDLE OF BUILDING 1, WOULD YOU PUT YOUR MOUSE THERE?
>> GO NORTH. IF YOU CUT THAT OFF, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL LOT THAT NEEDS TO STAY THERE.
BUT YOU'VE GOT ALL THAT SPACE TO THE WEST WHICH HAS GONE LEFT.
YOU'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP FOR TREES? BUT THAT'S ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, THAT'S WHERE THE PARKING OUGHT TO BE.
>> WELL, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS EVERY SINGLE DIRECTION.
WE FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE NORTH SIDE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LOT OF TREES AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT DEVELOPS WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THAT.
BUT I CAN POINT TO ANY NUMBER OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AROUND SOUTHLAKE THAT WON'T HAVE THIS MUCH TREE COVER AROUND THEM.
I WOULD HOPE THAT WHEN THIS GETS DONE, EVERYBODY WILL LOOK AT THIS AND SAY THIS WAS WELL DONE IN TERMS OF SELECTIVE TREE REMOVAL, KEEPING THE RIGHT ONES.
LIKE I SAID, THIS LITTLE DEAL RIGHT HERE COMING OFF KIMBALL, IT JUST IS REALLY NICE ADD TO THE ENTRANCE. [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY TO REMOVE THE TREES.
>> YOU CAN'T DO SITE WORK WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE SOME TREES.
WHAT WE DID HERE WAS WE USED OUR DILIGENCE IN TRYING TO KEEP AS MANY AS WE COULD.
>> WELL, BUT THAT'S CHEAPER TO TAKE THE EAST PART OF THAT WHERE THERE AREN'T A LOT OF TREES, BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME NICE TREES IN THERE AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH HAS THEIR HOUSE FOR SALE.
SO YOUR JUST FOR THE SAKE OF LEAVING A BUNCH OF TREES ON KIMBALL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE KIMBALL IS A COMMERCIAL STREET RIGHT THERE.
LEAVING A BUNCH OF TREE SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A SHORTCUT FOR YOU BECAUSE IT'S MORE COST PROHIBITIVE TO TAKE OUT A WHOLE LOT OF TREES.
LOOK AT MY POINT. I'M RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET LOOKING AT A MUD PIT NOW.[OVERLAPPING]
[OVERLAPPING] I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT,
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SO I VALUE ALL THOSE TREES AND I THINK THAT THEY BRING A LOT TO IT.>> YEAH, BUT YOU'RE ASKING TO CHANGE THE ZONING.
>> IT'S NOT JUST A SIMPLE THING THAT WELL, WE'LL PUT THE PARKING LOT ON ONE SIDE AND LEAVE THE TREES. IT'S A WHOLE ZONING.
>> IN FULL DISCLOSURE, WE'RE ASKING TO CHANGE THAT ZONING RIGHT THERE.
>> WELL, I CAN TELL YOU AS AN ARCHITECT AND A PLANNER, THE DIMENSIONS OF THAT TREE GROVE ARE NOT CONDUCIVE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS NEXT TO THE SHELL STATION.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE LEFT WITH A FAST FOOD BUILDING IS ALL THAT COULD FIT RIGHT THERE AND NATURALLY IT'S IN A LOW, SO THERE'S DRAINAGE CAN SEE YOU HAVE TO BRING IN PHIL.
IT'S NOT A GOOD TRADE-OFF TO CUT DOWN ALL THE TREES AND PAY THE MITIGATION COSTS AND THEN ONLY FOR A FAST FOOD BUILDING, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD WANT FAST FOOD BUILDING THERE.
>> BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A FAST FOOD BUILDING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAVING A LOT OF TREES THERE THAT ARE ON EAST SIDE OF KIMBALL.
WHY NOT USE THAT FOR YOUR PARKING AND LEAVE THE OTHER ACRE TO THE EAST ALONE AND LET THAT BE RESIDENTIAL?
>> WELL, IF WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE GROVE OF TREES ON THE ENTRANCE COMING OFF AT KIMBALL, THAT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A SPACE FOR THAT MUCH PARKING, REALLY.
WHAT WE HAVE DRAWN ON HERE ILLUSTRATES THE FLOW THAT YOU WILL COME IN ON THE STREET, COMING IN, AND THE PARKING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
>> THAT'S WHERE I'M [INAUDIBLE] YOU GOT WOOD SITTING THERE AND YOU STILL HAVE A DRIVEWAY SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE
>> YES, WE WOULD HAVE A DETENTION CONDO NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.
>> IF YOU DON'T DEVELOP IT THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY THE RESIDENTIAL FOR A HOUSE TO BE BUILT, THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A TWO MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE THERE SO DOES THE RESIDENTIAL LOT.
>> WELL, I'LL SHARE WITH YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE IS THIS HAS GONE THROUGH CORRIDOR PLANNING COMMITTEE TWICE, AND IT WAS VERY WELL-RECEIVED BOTH TIMES FROM THE CORRIDOR PLANNING COMMITTEE.
THAT GAVE US A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT WE WERE DOING SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE WELL RECEIVED BY THE CITY.
LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF SCHEMATICS ON THIS AND THIS FITS WITHOUT MAKING IT TO FEEL LIKE IT'S TOO FULL.
IT'S GOT A LOT OF OPEN SPACE LEFT IN IT AND AROUND IT.
>> BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE WOOD JUST SITTING THERE.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE AN ACCENT.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE AN ACCENT.
IF YOU GO TO SOME DEVELOPMENTS LIKE OVER WHERE TAVERNA ROSS IS, THEY'VE GOT A FEW TREES ON THE PARKING LOT OR WHATEVER.
BUT THE REST OF IT, ITS A CONCRETE JUNGLE.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS TO LET THE TREES COHABITATE WITH ALL THE CONCRETE BY NOT PUTTING AS MUCH IN.
I GUESS I DON'T GET TO YOUR POINT ON WHY WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE OUT A GROVE OF TREES AT THE ENTRANCE?
>> BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE THE GROVE ON ONE SIDE.
>> [BACKGROUND] I'M MINDFUL, AND I REMEMBER DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAD ABOUT DEVELOPMENT CLOSE TO SHADY LANE AND WHO'S DOING IT AND ALL THAT.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TOO IS HAVE THAT BUFFER.
WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THAT BUFFER WITH THE DETENTION AREA, LEAVE THE TREES THE WAY THEY ARE THERE AND MAKE IT TO WHERE IT'S NOT BOTHERSOME TO THE NEIGHBORS ON SHADING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE REALLY NEED TO CONTINUE.
IF YOU CAN ASK THE NEXT QUESTION, PLEASE.
>> HI. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE ANYTHING I HAD TO SAY.
>> AROUND BOSWELL, YOU'VE PROBABLY MAY REMEMBER MY FOLKS, THE ASHERS, THEY WENT TO ALL THE SPIN MEETINGS.
YOUR PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS NOW CURRENTLY A VACANT RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S GOING TO BE BUTTING UP AGAINST MY PROPERTY.
I HAVE MY PROPERTY ON THE MARKET.
I DON'T WANT TO MOVE, I HAVE TO.
BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE A REAL HARD TIME SELLING MY BEAUTIFUL 2.45 ACRE LOT TO SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BUILD A BEAUTIFUL TWO OR THREE MILLION-DOLLAR HOME WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PARKING LOT THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR BACKYARD.
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THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A TWO-STORY BUILDING.BEAUTIFUL BY THE WAY, YOUR PLANS ARE BEAUTIFUL.
THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
>> BUT AS FAR AS THAT BEING A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND ZONING IT COMMERCIAL, THAT TOTALLY CHANGES THE DYNAMIC FOR MY PROPERTY.
FOR HER PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, FOR HIS PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, I GET WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
BUT EVEN IF I WERE STAYING THERE, I CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT IT'D BE LIKE TRYING TO NAVIGATE AND HAVE THE NOISE BECAUSE YOU ALREADY DON'T HAVE A SOUND BUFFER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE EMPTY LOT?
>> YEAH. THAT'S THE ONE THAT AS I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S AN OLD HOUSE THERE.
IT SITS BETWEEN THE BARBECUE STORE AND MY HOUSE.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE THE PLACE WHERE ALL THOSE PARKING SPOTS ARE, RIGHT?
>> YEAH. WHERE'S MY BUFFER BETWEEN THAT? I ALREADY HAVE NOISE ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE STRIP MALL THAT'S THERE.
ALL THE TREES ARE GONE PRACTICALLY AND SO I HAVE HIGH NOISE ON MY PROPERTY.
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE DOWN EVEN MORE TREES AND PUT IN A PARKING LOT, BUT WHERE'S MY BUFFER? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GIVING THIS RETENTION BUFFER AND FOR SOUND AND STUFF, BUT IT'S GOING TO MAKE MINE WORSE.
IT'S GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO ME TO THE SALE ON MY PROPERTY.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING FOR MY NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE ON THE STREETS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT IS A BEAUTIFUL QUIET STREET.
IT'S RESIDENTIAL, AND AGAIN, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS GOOD BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CLEARLY AFFECT ALL OF US ON SHADY LANE.
I KNOW YOU SAY IT'S GOING TO MAKE ALL KIMBALL BEAUTIFUL AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S GOING TO REALLY JACK UP SHADY LANE REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU SAY.
>> DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU'VE GOT A PARKING LOT SITTING RIGHT THERE BACKING UP TO WHAT IS MY HORSE PASTURE RIGHT NOW.
>> WHERE'S THAT WALKING ACCESS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT?
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE DETENTION AREA IS SHOWN.
>> WHERE'S THE DETENTION AREA?
>> CAN YOU SEE THE LITTLE DOT.
>> IN THE FRONT YARD OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
>> YEAH. HERE'S THE OTHER ISSUE, AND THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT I'VE HAD WITH THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE ONGOING.
MY PARENTS BOUGHT IT FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS, THE WATER FLOW PROBLEM.
WHEN, I DON'T KNOW WHO BUILT THE PAWN THAT'S ALREADY THERE ON THE CORNER FOR CAMDEN, HE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT GETS FLOODED.
IT COMES ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHOEVER DID THAT PROPERTY.
IT FLOODED MY YARD THIS YEAR BACK IN JANUARY.
I'M SORRY, LAST YEAR IN JANUARY.
I ALREADY HAVE THE WATER ISSUES.
SOUTHLAKE DID NOTHING TO FIX IT.
I LOST A 25-FOOT, 20-YEAR-OLD MAGNOLIA TREE BECAUSE IT DROWN AND TWO PINE TREES.
IT WASHED AND GUTTED MY YARD, IT FLOODED AND WASHED AWAY ALL MY GRAVEL IN MY DRIVEWAY.
SOUTHLAKE WAS GOING TO SEND SOMEBODY OUT TO LOOK AT IT, THEY DIDN'T.
WHAT I SEE HERE IS ANOTHER ENORMOUS PROBLEM AS FAR AS WATER FLOW AND FLOODING, AND HOW AM I GOING TO EXPLAIN THAT TO A POTENTIAL BUYER? HOW ARE THEY GOING TO COME IN THERE AND SEE MY BEAUTIFUL 2.45 ACRE LOT THAT'S GORGEOUS AND PRISTINE NEXT TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ELDERLY EVENT CENTER AND FOOD PLACES AND PEOPLE COME IN AND OUT AND PEOPLE DOING YOGA, THAT'S FINE, LOVE IT, GREAT.
BUT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE AWAY, I HAD ONE COUPLE LOOKING AT IT AND THEY SAID WE'D LOVE IT HEAR BECAUSE WE'RE CONVENIENT, BUT YET WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN THE COUNTRY.
WELL, THAT'S FIXING TO GO ALL THE WAY.
I DON'T SEE HOW THAT CAN POSSIBLY BE BENEFICIAL AND NOT AFFECT THE PEOPLE ON SHADY LANE.
>> WELL, ALL I CAN SAY TO THAT IS WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THAT WHEN WE DID THAT.
THAT'S WHY THE BUFFER IS THE SIZE THAT IT IS BETWEEN SHADY LANE AND WHERE THE EDGE THAT PARKING IS.
IT'S THERE TO BE A BUFFER BECAUSE, I'VE BEEN PART OF DEVELOPMENT OF A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF IN SOUTHLAKE OVER THE YEARS.
DID A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF UP AND DOWN KIMBALL, AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, THEY NEVER LET US GET AWAY WITHOUT HANDLING THINGS LIKE.
[OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] THERE MIGHT BE SOME STUFF BACK IN THAT'S OLDER, BUT ANYTHING NOW IS REALLY WELL WATCHED BY THE CITY IN TERMS OF ANYTHING THAT COULD FLOOD ANYBODY'S.
>> [LAUGHTER] THAT'S NOT TRUE.
>> I'M JUST TELLING YOU THE PROJECTS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN.
>> WELL, THEN MAYBE YOU NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT ON THE STREET.
WE WOULD HAVE SOME LIABILITY IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT DIDN'T KEEP FROM FLOODING ANYBODY'S PROPERTY.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUFFER? YOU SEE THAT TOP LINE UP THERE? THAT'S MY PROPERTY LINE.
>> AGAIN, THERE IS NO BUFFER BETWEEN ME AND THE PARKING LOT.
>> THAT ONE SHOULD BE ABOUT 180 FENCE RIGHT THERE.
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>> I'M GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE PULLING IN AND OUT RIGHT NEXT TO MY BACKYARD OR WHOEVER BUYS IT FOR ME.
>> IF I CAN SELL IT AT THIS POINT NOW. I'M NOT JUST TALKING.
I'M TRYING NOT TO JUST MAKE IT ABOUT MY PROPERTY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE BIGGEST PART OF THAT PROPERTY, THAT PARKING STUFF AFFECTS ME DIRECTLY IN MULTIPLE WAYS.
NOT TO MENTION, AGAIN, IT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S NOT [LAUGHTER] GOING TO BE ALL RAINBOWS AND UNICORNS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE MAKING IT OUT TO BE.
>> WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SUGARCOAT IT.
IT'S JUST, TO US, IT FITS AND IT'S NOT TOO CROWDED, AND WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO SAVE AS MUCH TREES IN THERE, MAKE AESTHETIC. [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]
>> ALL I CAN TELL YOU-ALL, AND I HEAR WHAT YOU-ALL ARE SAYING, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS HAS BEEN LIKE I SAID, WE'VE PUT THIS IN FRONT OF THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE TWICE.
NOT BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT, BUT BECAUSE WE CHANGED IT A LITTLE BIT AND IT'S JUST GONE OVER WELL, SO THAT'S GIVEN US REASON TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.
>> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU THINK THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE DO OR HOW MUCH WE COMPLAIN, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY?
>> WELL, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN THIS FAR THAT WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
IF PEOPLE WANT TO CONTEST THINGS ABOUT IT, THEN THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
>> HEY, GOOD EVENING GUYS. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT'S GONE INTO IMPROVING, SPECIFICALLY THE COMMERCIAL LOT OFF OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND THE KIMBALL COMMERCIAL LOT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A FIGHT IN REZONING THIS IMPORTANT RESIDENTIAL LOT RIGHT NOW SERVES AS A BUFFER BETWEEN OUR BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS STRIP SHOPPING CENTER AND THE TERRIBLE LOT THAT'S JUST BEEN LEFT FOR YEARS AS AN EYESORE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE COURT OR COMMITTEE WANTS SOMETHING TO BE DONE WITH THIS PROPERTY.
IT'S BEEN NEGLECTED BY THE OWNERS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, IT'S MOWED ONCE A YEAR.
THE RESIDENTIAL LOT OFF OF SHADY IS MOWED MAYBE ONCE A YEAR, THERE'S A DANG CHAIN THAT GOES ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE LOT, AND WE PUT UP WITH IT.
BUT I'D ALMOST RATHER SEE THAT LOT BE LEFT WITH THE HOUSE THAT'S FALLEN DOWN ON IT WITH THE GRASS THAT'S IT'S NEVER MOWED WITH THE DEAD TREES THAT ARE FALLEN DOWN ON IT WITH THE CHAIN ACROSS THE FRONT THEN ANOTHER DETENTION POND.
BECAUSE IT WILL LOOK JUST LIKE THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET AND IT WILL NOT JUST HOLD WATER, IT WILL HAVE TO DUMP IT SOMEWHERE.
>> WHEN YOU SAY ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH STREET?
>> ACROSS SHADY LANE, WE'RE ALL SHADY LANE FOLKS.
>> THE DETENTION POND THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW IS A CONSTANT LEVEL, IT DOESN'T COME ALL THE WAY UP.
IT'S GOT A CULVERT THAT COMES OUT RIGHT INTO OUR DITCH ON THE EAST SIDE OF SHADY LANE.
IMMEDIATELY WHEN THEY DID THAT, OUR WHOLE STREET STARTED FLOODING AND I'M TALKING INCHES OF WATER FLOWING DOWN.
WE WERE DRIVING DOWN A RIVER AND SEVERAL OF US CALLED THE CITY AND SAID GET OUT HERE NOW IN THIS MILD RAIN AND LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON.
WELL, THIS YEAR THEY CAME AND THEY DUG OUT A NEW BAR DITCH ON THE EAST SIDE OF SHADY LANE AND IT'S STILL FLOODING.
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>> WELL, IF I COULD IF I COULD GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
IF YOU-ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHERE THE CAMBRIA IS, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
BEEN THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT SCENE THAT WELI, I DESIGN THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE DETENTION STANDPOINT, IT WASN'T JUST LET'S PUT A BIG HOLE IN THE GROUND.
IF YOU WALK THROUGH THERE AND LOOK AT IT, THERE'S SECTION OF IT THAT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A GOLF COURSE.
I THINK THAT'S THE EXPECTATION FOR THIS AS WELL, IS FOR IT TO BE WELL TAKEN CARE OF, WELL-MAINTAINED.
IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT OF AN AMENITY IN ITSELF AND THAT'S WHY WE TALK ABOUT THIS DETENTION POND AREA.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT SIZE OR NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO STILL ENGINEER IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG IT NEEDS TO BE, A LOT OF THESE, THEY JUST GIVE UP AND THEY JUST PUT A BIG ROCK WALL AROUND IT AND SAY, THERE'S YOUR DETENTION POND.
THAT'S HOW SOUTHLAKE USED TO DO THEM ALL THE TIME, IT WAS JUST A FENCE AND THEN BREAK AT THE BOTTOM.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DID BUT THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO IT SOMETIMES AND MAKE IT LOOK GOOD.
THAT'S WHAT'S ON TOP OF MIND WHEN WE DO THIS, LET'S FACE IT.
FIRST OF ALL, THE CARPET MILL OUTLETS FINALLY GOING TO GO AND THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE THAT IS THE BIGGEST I SORT OUT THERE.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT COULD KILL SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY VALUE.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT WE WANT TO GET RID OF.
WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE A PRETTY DECENT JOB OF HERE, NOT TRYING TO CRAM EVERY SQUARE FOOT IN INTO THIS THING THAT WE CAN.
BUT TO MAKE IT TO WHERE IT'S GOT A GOOD FLOW, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ENJOY IT, YOU GOT COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET IN AND OUT OF THIS THING.
LIKE I SAID, I LIVE ON KIMBALL, I GO THROUGH IT EVERY SINGLE DAY TO.
>> TO CLARIFY, YOU LIVE ON SOUTH KIMBALL? YOU LIVE ON SOUTH KIMBALL OR NORTH KIMBALL?
>> NORTH KIMBALL. I'M RIGHT THERE.
WELL, LET ME JUMP THERE AND WE CAN TALK DETENTION PONDS AND STUFF.
THE POINT IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REZONE THAT LOT AND IT'S GOING TO BECOME A PARKING LOT WITH ALL THE LIGHTING THAT STICKS UP IN EACH ONE OF THOSE LITTLE SPOTS THERE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LIGHT'S NOT ONLY FROM THE CARS BUT ALSO JUST THE PARKING LOT LIGHTS THAT WILL REMAIN ON ALL NIGHT BECAUSE THESE ARE BARS AND RESTAURANTS ARE RESTAURANTS WITH BARS AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPENLY IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> THE TREES ARE TALL, THEY'RE MATURE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL DO WITH THE TREES.
YOU CAN CLEAR THE LOT AND YOU LEAVE THE TREES THAT ARE ALONG THE FENCE LINE.
THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE CANOPY DEVELOPMENT, UP AND DOWN THAT STREET.
WILL A TREE LEFT A BUNCH OF DEAD TREES WITH TAGS ON THEM STILL.
THEY DON'T EVEN LEAVE OUT BUT THEY LEFT THEM THERE BECAUSE OF THE TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS.
YOU ALL WILL CLEAR THAT BEAUTIFUL, WHAT COULD BE IF IT WAS MAINTAINED OR SOLD TO SOMEBODY WHO CARED ABOUT BEING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ACTUALLY BE A BEAUTIFUL RESIDENTIAL LOT BUT INSTEAD IT'S GOING TO BE CLEARED AND Y'ALL ARE GOING TO LEAVE FENCE LINE TREES, THAT ARE WHATEVER.
>> WELL, LET ME JUST TELL YOU AGAIN, THIS IS THE SCHEMATIC GRAPHIC OF THIS AND WHEN YOU SEE THE DARKER LINES ON HERE, THAT IS THE OUTLINE OF THE CANOPIES THAT WE ARE PRETTY SURE WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP.
SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO KEEP MORE BUT WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GO OUT THERE AND WE TAG ALL THE TREES.
I'M NOT ASSUMING YOU ALL HAVE EVER WALKED THROUGH THE PROPERTY BUT IT'S A HOT MESS GO ON THROUGH THERE.
I DON'T KNOW, WATER STAY THERE BUT THE THE TREES THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP ARE GOING TO BE THE MARQUEE ONES IF SCRAGGLY.
THAT'S ALL WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO MAKE IT LOOK READY TO GO FROM DAY ONE, LOOKING GOOD.
>> THE OTHER ISSUE IS TRAFFIC, RIGHT NOW FOR ALL OF THIS THAT LIVE IN THE SHADY LANE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE EXIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH ONTO 114 FRONTAGE ROAD.
RIGHT NOW, DUE TO THE TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING UP OVER THAT HILL, GOING WAY OVER 45 MPH.
WE ALL DO IT, IT'S GOING TO BE TWICE AS BAD WITH HOW MANY RESTAURANTS AND BARS AND SALONS RIGHT THERE AND THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE TURNING IN OFF OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST ENTRANCE YOU GET TO.
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THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO UP TO THE LIGHT AT KIMBALL AND WAIT AND THEY COME IN, YOU'RE PRETTY LANDSCAPED ENTRANCE.I KNOW THAT WOULD BE PREFERABLE, BUT THE SIGNAGE THAT ARCHITECT SHOWED US, KIMBALL DISTRICT, THAT'S WAY UP TOP FACING 114.
YOU CAN MAKE THE ENTRANCE PRETTY OFF A KIMBALL BUT THE SIGNAGE IS ON 114.
THEN HE CALLED THIS A TEASER PARKING LOT BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST PARKING YOU SEE AS YOU APPROACH THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM THE EAST, YOU'RE GOING TO PULL IN RIGHT THERE AT THE SHELL STATION.
WELL, THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PULL BACK OUT THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO CUT ACROSS THAT SOLID WHITE LINE AND GET ALL THE WAY OVER TO MAKE A U-TURN TO GO BACK.
>> YEAH, I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT.
>> WELL, IF WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE FORCED TO TURN RIGHT UNDER NORTH ON KIMBALL.
THEN THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO JUMP OVER THREE LANES TO THE LEFT TO MAKE A U-TURN TO COME BACK SOUTH ON KIMBALL.
WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, IF THEY DON'T BECAUSE THEY CAN'T, THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT FARTHER TO YOUR CAMBRIA SPOT AND BUST A U-TURN THERE.
BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY UP KIMBALL BUT THEY'RE FORCED TO HERE AND FOR THOSE THAT WISE UP AND TRY TO EXIT ONTO KIMBALL ITSELF, THEY'RE GOING TO WAIT THERE FOREVER TRYING TO JUMP ACROSS THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC TO TURN LEFT AND GO SOUTH ON KIMBALL TOWARD 114.
>> IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT OBVIOUSLY SHOWN ON THIS SCHEMATIC, WE HAVE WIDENED THE THROAT, LIKE I SAID, COMING IN.
IT IS POTENTIAL THAT WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE TO DO A D CELL LANE OR A TURNING LANE.
SOME OF THAT'S STILL LEFT TO BE VETTED OUT ONCE WE ACTUALLY ENGINEER IT.
ALL I CAN SAY IS WE FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THIS, I'VE STARED AT THAT THING FOREVER, Y'ALL STARED AT THAT THING FOREVER, IT'S TIME FOR IT TO GO.
THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, THE MAYORS AND PAST AND PRESENT, THEY'RE ALL VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE RESTAURANTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.
APPARENTLY, THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT GOT AWAY FROM HIM A LITTLE BIT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT FOR THAT REASON, AS FAR AS THE WAY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ENTER THIS, I WOULD SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF SOUTHLAKE CITIZENS ARE GOING TO BE COMING NORTH.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING NORTH WHEN THEY COME HERE AND THAT'S WHAT HELPS ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT TURNING TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO GO IN THERE.
YES, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT LIVE NORTH OF THAT BUT I THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME THERE THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN THAT WAY.
>> I THINK IT'S THE EGRESS THAT'S CONCERNING FOR ME.
NOT THE INGRESS BUT AS PEOPLE LEAVE THERE AND JUMP ACROSS, I JUST SEE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF ACCIDENTS AS THEY'RE CURRENTLY IS AT SOUTH KIMBALL IN 1709, A LOT OF TERRIBLE ACCIDENTS.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS BUILT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT DEVELOPED, SO LONG AS THE NORTH EAST LOT IS LEFT RESIDENTIAL AND YOU FIND A WAY TO WHETHER IT'S ELIMINATING BUILDING 3, WHICH MAY BLOW UP THIS WHOLE THING FINANCIALLY.
BUT IF BUILDINGS 1 AND 2 ARE MADE BEAUTIFUL AND THE NORTHWEST COMMERCIAL LOT IS UTILIZED FOR PARKING, I THINK WE'RE ALL ON BOARD.
BUT THE HARLEM WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO FIGHT TURNING THAT RESIDENTIAL LOT INTO A PARKING LOT.
IF NOT FOR THE TRAFFIC REASONS AND LIGHTING, FOR THE FLOODING ISSUE, BECAUSE THAT WATER IS GOING TO DRAIN EAST.
THAT LOT SLOPES UP AND IF YOU CUT IT DOWN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WE DID.
I LIVE ON ROLLING LANE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OR ROLLING LANE, I USED TO LOOK IN THE BACK AND SEE TREES.
THEN THEY CUT THAT ENTIRE HILL DOWN AND NOW I STARE AT THE COSTCO SIGN AND 114 TRAFFIC.
THAT'S MY VIEW FROM MY KITCHEN, IS A BIG RED COSTCO SIGN BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS CUT THAT HILL TOTALLY DOWN, CUT ALL THE TREES DOWN, AND PUT UP THOSE TERRIBLE PARKING LOTS.
THAT'S WHAT I SEE THIS A LOT THIS RESIDENTIAL LOT IS GOING TO BE A PARKING LOT AND THAT'S AFFECTING MY NEIGHBOR.
THE FACT THAT 2.45 ACRES IN SOUTHLAKE HASN'T SOLD FOR A VERY REASONABLE PRICE RIGHT NOW, I THINK IS BECAUSE OF THE ROAD NOISE.
BECAUSE PROSPECTIVE BUYERS ARE GETTING OUT AND ALL THEY CAN HEAR IS 114.
IT'S GOING TO BE MADE MUCH WORSE WHEN THOSE BUFFER TREES ARE GONE AND IT'S A PARKING LOT.
>> WELL, I'LL JUST POINT OUT THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE'S PARKING ON THAT SOUTH SIDE, WE DID THAT ON PURPOSE SO THAT WE COULD USE THAT AS A BUFFER.
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GET IT A LITTLE FURTHER, WE GET THE BUILDINGS A LITTLE FURTHER INTO THE SITE.I'M CONFUSING YOU, I CAN TELL.
RATHER THAN PUSHING THOSE THINGS DOWN CLOSER TO THE HIGHWAY, IN OTHER WORDS, WE PUSHED THAT YOU PARKING LOT IN THERE SO THAT THE BUILDINGS WOULD [NOISE] BE FARTHER AWAY AND HAVE A LITTLE LESS NOISE ON THEM.
>> THE PROBLEM THAT I STILL HAVE WITH IT IS, I GET ALL THAT BUT WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, AGAIN, THAT'S MY FENCE LINE.
I WALKED AT FENCE LINE, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO CHANGE COMMERCIAL.
I KNOW BECAUSE THERE'S COYOTE IS LIVING OVER THERE RIGHT NOW AND I HAVE TO WATCH MY DOGS EVERY NIGHT.
>> I LOVE THE DEER NOT THE COYOTE BUT THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE GONE AND THAT TREELINE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LEAVING AS FAR AS THE BUFFER, ALL THE GOOD TREES.
WE HAVE NO TREES ON MY SIDE OF THE FENCE LINE BECAUSE THAT WAS A HORSE PASTURE.
ALL MY TREES ARE WITHIN MY PROPERTY AND THEIR BIG, HUGE, BEAUTIFUL HUNDRED, 115-YEAR-OLD OAK TREES.
ALL THE TREES ON THAT LINE THAT ARE LEFT ARE TRASH TREES.
MAJORITY OF THEM ARE DEAD, FALLING DOWN.
THERE ARE HACK BERRY TREES, I THINK THERE'S A CHINESE MUSTACHE IS BROKEN AT THE BASE BUT THE REST OF THEM ARE JUST SMALL VOLUNTEER TREES THAT HAVE COME UP AND ARE GROWING ACTUALLY THROUGH MY FENCE LINE.
BUT THEY'RE NOT ANYTHING THAT'S BE ABOUT BECAUSE WHEN YOU GUYS COME IN THERE, I'M ASSUMING THAT AT SOME POINT SOMEONE'S GOING TO WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH MY FENCE LINE WHILE ALL THOSE TREES ARE PRETTY MUCH ATTACHED TO THAT FENCE LINE.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY TREES TO LEAVE.
>> WELL, UNDER THE ONE THING THAT IS NOT SHOWN ON HERE RIGHT NOW IS ALL THE TREES THAT ARE GOING TO GO IN.
YOU SAW THE GRAPHIC THAT WAS PUT UP THERE AND THAT'S EXACTLY HOW WE WANT IT.
>> THERE'S ONLY SO BIG OF A TREE YOU CAN BRING IN OR YOU GOING TO BRING IN A GIANT 115-YEAR-OLD OAK TREE? YOU CAN BRING A 50-YEAR-OLD TREE.
>> I'M NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT THAT.
>> WHAT BUFFER WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE?
>> [OVERLAPPING] A RESIDENTIAL LIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AGAIN, I KEEP COMING BACK TO THE FACT THAT WHOEVER WANTS TO LIVE ON MY LOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT PARKING LOT LIGHTS SHINING IN THEIR YARD ALL NIGHT AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT THE NOISE FROM PEOPLE SLAMMING DOORS AND GETTING IT OUT OF THEIR CARS.
>> PARKING LOT LIGHTS AREN'T GOING TO SHINE ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE, THERE'S A FULL CUTOFF.
>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIGHT THE BACK PROPERTY?
>> YOUR NOT GOING TO GET ANY LUMENS THAT GO ACROSS THE PROVINCE IS GOING TO POINT AWAY.
THAT'S THE ZONING STANDARD IT'LL POINT AWAY.
IT WILL POINT AWAY FROM YOUR PROPERTY, NOT ON YOUR PROPERTY.
WHAT WOULD BE PREFERRED AS A BUFFER SINCE THEY'RE ALL TRASH TREES ALONG THAT TREE LINE NOW?
>> WELL, [BACKGROUND] ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THE ARCHITECTS DONE THIS A LONG TIME.
WE'VE DONE A LONG TIME AND WE KNOW BETTER THAN TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S OBTRUSIVE.
[BACKGROUND] WELL, THAT'S Y'ALL'S OPINION.
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WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THAT WE CAN MAKE IT LESS OBTRUSIVE.>> GOOD EVENING. I'M HELEN CLERY.
I'VE LIVED IN MY HOUSE ON SHADY LANE 415, 28 YEARS THIS YEAR.
WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE IN 1995, I BOUGHT IT FROM MR. SANDERS.
HE OWNED ALL 10 ACRES ON THE EAST SIDE.
HE BUILT HIS HOUSE THAT I BOUGHT.
HE HAD SUBDIVIDED AND THERE'S FOUR OTHER TWO ACRE LOTS.
IT WAS LIKE OUR LITTLE NESTLED COMMUNITY AWAY FROM EVERYTHING.
IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. UNFORTUNATELY, I BROUGHT MY DAUGHTER HOME FROM THE HOSPITAL AND BEFORE WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, BUT SHE WAS TWO MONTHS OLD WHEN WE MOVED IN.
I BROUGHT MY SON HOME TO MY SHADY LANE HOME.
THE DEVELOPMENT STARTED ON 114.
THEY CUT DOWN GORGEOUS HUNDRED-YEAR OLD OAK TREES TO WIDEN 114.
THE CONSTRUCTION MADE IT WORSE WITHOUT THE TREES.
NOW, WE'VE HAD THE PROPERTY THAT IS ADJOINING 114, WHERE THEY'VE TAKEN ALL THE TREES DOWN.
NOW, MOST OF THE BIG OAK TREES HAD BEEN TAKEN DOWN BEFORE WHEN THEY WIDENED 114.
I USED TO SEE BEAUTIFUL TREES.
OUR LITTLE SPOT IN OUR BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD IS GETTING ENCROACHED ON, AGAIN.
MY POOR NEIGHBOR. HERE, ALL MY NEIGHBORS, Y'ALL ARE NOT GOING TO BE LIVING WITH A PARKING LOT IN YOUR BACKYARD.
YOU ARE PROMOTING WHAT YOU ARE CONTRACTED TO DO.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND IT IS A BEAUTIFUL IDEA.
A FEW YEARS AGO, WE HAD AT THE END OF SHADY LANE HATCH COURT WAS BEING DEVELOPED, MR. CROSSMAKERS WANTED TO RE ZONE OUR SINGLE-FAMILY ONE-ACRE LOTS THAT WERE PART OF OUR ZONING TO ARPAD.
IT DIDN'T WORK. I'M TELLING Y'ALL.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SCALE BACK TREMENDOUSLY.
BECAUSE OUR SHADY LANE NEIGHBORHOOD IS LIKE A LITTLE ANTHILL AND YOU STIR IT UP.
IT'S NOT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A GREAT IDEA.
MY NEIGHBOR, SCOTT GUILER, HAS HAD MORE THAN HIS SHARE OF AGGRAVATION WITH IT.
I ALSO ON THE OTHER TWO ACRES, THE NEXT TWO ACRES, I'VE HAD ISSUES WITH WILLOW TREE TOO.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN PUT UP THE NECESSARY FENCING OR PLASTIC SHEETING, AND IT WAS JUST A BIG, HUGE MESS.
MR. GUILER WAS OUT OF TOWN WHEN ALL THIS HAPPENED.
HE CAME HOME TO A BIG OLD MESS.
BUT IT'S NOT JUST BEEN ONE TIME, IT'S BEEN SEVERAL.
WE DO NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS, WE WILL NEVER HAVE SIDEWALKS.
WHEN I WALKED DOWN SHADY LANE RIGHT NOW, IT'S SCARY SOMETIMES HOW THEY SPEED.
THOSE THAT DON'T LIVE ON OUR STREET AND MAYBE SOME DO.
BUT I WALK ON A REGULAR BASIS.
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THE TRAFFIC, THE WATER, AND OUR PEACE IS AT ISSUE.I UNDERSTAND THIS IS YOUR JOB, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE YOUR BACKYARD.
THAT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN GOING TO BE A PARKING LOT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE YOUR BACKYARD WITH A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE YOUR BACKYARD WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES WITH WATER.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO MAKE A LIVING.
YOU ARE GOING TO NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ONCE MORE, TWICE MORE OR THREE TIMES MORE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE TIMES TO GET THIS WHERE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE HAPPY, SATISFIED WITH WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON.
I'M HERE BECAUSE I LOVE MY COMMUNITY.
I HAVE RAISED MY KIDS HERE ONCE MORE.
I HAVE TWO GREAT KIDS, COLLEGE GRADUATES, CONTRIBUTORS TO SOCIETY.
THEY LOVED THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WANT TO KEEP MY NEIGHBORHOOD THE WAY TO THE BEST I CAN.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND WE ARE FIRM.
WE LOVE OUR SPOT IN SOUTHLAKE. THANK YOU.
>> BEFORE WE GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS ITEM, THERE WILL BE TWO OTHER STEPS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
ONE IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THOSE WITHIN A 300 FOOT BOUNDARY AROUND THE PROPERTY ADDRESS WILL BE NOTIFIED OF WHEN THAT DECIDES TO COME THROUGH.
THEN THE NEXT STEP AFTER THAT WILL BE TWO READINGS AT CITY COUNCIL.
FIRST READING, WE WILL JUST INTRODUCE IT TO COUNCIL.
THE SECOND READING WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE WILL BE TWO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO PROVIDE THE COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK THAT YOU DID TONIGHT.
THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS WILL ALSO BE INCLUDED IN A MEETING REPORT THAT WILL BE SENT TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL.
>> IT'LL BE BY MAIL. IT'LL BE A POSTCARD THAT GETS SENT TO YOU IN THE MAIL.
>> DO WE HAVE A DATE YET OR PROPOSED DATE?
>> HAVE YOU GUYS FORMALLY SUBMITTED YET?
>> THEY HAVE NOT FORMALLY SUBMITTED YET, SO WE'RE UNSURE OF WHEN THAT WILL BE.
WHENEVER THEY DO SUBMIT THOSE POSTCARDS WILL BE SENT THROUGH THE MAIL.
>> THANK YOU FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WERE SUBMITTED ELECTRONICALLY.
THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN SPIN.
REMEMBER SPIN REPRESENTS THE FIRST STEPS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
IS SPIN MEETING REPORT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE.
WE WILL INCLUDE THE SUBMITTED SPIN QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FORMS IN THE MEETING REPORTS.
THESE REPORTS ARE GENERALLY OBSERVATIONS FOR THE FORUM.
INTERESTED PARTIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO FOLLOW THE CASE THROUGH THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY WEBSITE APPROXIMATELY 24 HOURS AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE.
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NIGHT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.