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>> WE'LL SHOOT IF EVERYONE'S GOING TO QUIET DOWN [NOISE] GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
[1. Call to order]
MY NAME IS MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN, I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, OUR SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.I APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING OUT THIS EVENING.
WE'RE GOING TO START TONIGHT AS WE DO WITH EVERY NIGHT WITH OUR PASTOR, CLAY REID, WHO'S OUR CITY CHAPLIN, WHO'S GOING TO GIVE OUR INVOCATION AND ASK FOR WISDOM AS WE GO ABOUT THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS.
IF YOU GUYS COULD PLEASE RISE AND THEN STAY ON YOUR FEET FOR OUR PLEDGES. PASTOR REID.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. LET'S PRAY. DEAR LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS EVENING, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS COUNCIL, WE PRAY BLESSING, AND PEACE, AND HELP FOR THEIR MEETING TONIGHT.
WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS AND CITY STAFF AS THEY SPEAK ABOUT ISSUES, WE PRAY BLESSING UPON THEM AND WISDOM FOR EACH OF THEM AND PEACE.
WE ALSO PRAY FOR CHIEF STAR AND AMANDA AND HER TEAM WORKING IN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS.
WE PRAY BLESSING UPON THEIR WORK, GIVE THEM WISDOM, AND HELP AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS TO PROTECT OUR TOWN.
WE JUST PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM STRENGTH AND PEACE AND BLESSING TONIGHT.
WE ALSO GIVE THANKS ON EASTER WEEK BECAUSE YOU ARE GOOD TO US, WE GIVE THANKS FOR YOUR SON JESUS, WHO DIED ON THE CROSS FOR US, WE PRAY BLESSING, AND WE GIVE THANKS THAT NOT ONLY DID HE DIE, HE ROSE AGAIN.
JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF ALLEGIANCE] THANK YOU SO MUCH, PASTOR REID.
THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION, SO WE'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO OUR FIRST ITEM AND THAT IS A DISCUSSION OF OUR TRASH AND RECYCLING CONTRACT.
[3. Trash and Recycling Contract]
I BELIEVE OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, LAUREN LANEAVE, IS HERE TO TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, I GUESS, A CONTINUATION OF THE CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, RIGHT?>> YES, SIR. AS MAYOR MENTIONED, TONIGHT'S WORK SESSION ITEM IS TO DISCUSS THE TRASH AND RECYCLING CONTRACT AND SEEK CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION ON THE FUTURE OF THOSE SERVICES.
TONIGHT, AS MAYOR ALLUDED TO, REPUBLIC BACK IN OCTOBER IN THE FALL LET US KNOW THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE RENEWING ANY CONTRACTS THAT DID NOT TRANSITION FROM MANUAL COLLECTION, WHICH WE CURRENTLY HAVE, TO AUTOMATED COLLECTION.
REPUBLIC HAS BEEN THE SERVICE PROVIDER SINCE 2007 HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, SO WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY WITH THEM.
WE'LL REVIEW A LITTLE BIT OF THE CONTRACT HISTORY TONIGHT, REVIEW THE SURVEY INFORMATION THAT WE DID RECENTLY WITH RESIDENTS, AND THEN SEEK COUNSEL DIRECTION.
AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, REPUBLIC HAS BEEN THE TRASH PROVIDER SINCE 2007, FORMERLY KNOWN AS DUNCAN DISPOSAL.
THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS ADOPTED IN 2007 IN THE SPRING AND INCLUDED A TERM OF 18 MONTHS.
THAT CONTRACT WAS THEN RENEWED AGAIN FOR A TERM OF FIVE YEARS, AND THEN AGAIN FOR ANOTHER FIVE-YEAR TERM IN 2018, AND THAT'S ABOUT WHERE WE SIT TODAY WHERE THE CONTRACT TERM EXPIRES IN SEPTEMBER OF 2023.
IN 2018, REPUBLIC DID PROPOSE SOME OPTIONS OF MOVING TO AUTOMATED COLLECTION.
WE CHOSE TO STAY WITH MANUAL COLLECTION AT THE TIME, SO THIS ISN'T A NEW CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THEM.
IT'S JUST NOW IF WE STAY WITH THEM, WE NO LONGER HAVE THE OPTION TO REMAIN MANUAL.
IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS FORMAL NOTIFICATION THAT WE RECEIVE FROM REPUBLIC, WE DID DO A RESONANCE SURVEY.
IT WAS OPEN FROM MARCH 10TH TO MARCH 30TH OF 2023.
WE NEEDED ABOUT 450 RESPONSES FOR IT TO BE STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT AND WE RECEIVED FAR BEYOND THAT, WE RECEIVED OVER 1,700 RESPONSES FROM OUR RESONANCE.
THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT'S GOING ON WITH TRASH.
FOR THIS SURVEY, THE MARGIN OF ERROR IS GOING TO BE PLUS OR PLUS OR MINUS 2.8% AT A 95% CONFIDENCE LEVEL.
BASICALLY, THAT MEANS IF WE CONDUCTED THIS SURVEY 100 TIMES, WE COULD EXPECT THE RESULTS TO BE ABOUT 95% OF THOSE STUDIED TO BE WITH THE SAMPLE WITHIN 2.8% OF WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SHOW YOU.
THE SURVEY WAS MARKETED ON THE CITY'S SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES, WE SENT IT OUT VIA THE CITY'S WEEKLY E-BLAST.
WE ALSO DID A TARGETED CAMPAIGN TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL UTILITY BILLING CUSTOMERS SO THAT THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE SURVEY.
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THEN IT WAS ON NEXTDOOR, TWITTER, ALL OF THOSE GOOD THINGS.GETTING INTO THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY, WE ASKED CURRENTLY THE STUDY OF SOUTHLAKE OFFERS CURBSIDE TRASH AND RECYCLING COLLECTION.
THE RESIDENTS CAN PLACE GARBAGE IN EITHER TRASH BAGS OR IN A CONTAINER PURCHASED BY THE RESIDENT, IF THE CITY WERE TO SWITCH EVERYONE TO A VENDOR-PROVIDED 95-GALLON, REUSABLE ROLLING CRASH CART, SIMILAR TO THE ONE PICTURED, WOULD YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT CHANGE? 61% OF RESIDENTS SAID DEFINITELY YES, PROBABLY YES, OR HAD NO PREFERENCE ON THE CHANGE.
WITH 13% SAYING MAYBE OR THEY'RE NOT SURE, WANTED SOME MORE INFORMATION, AND THEN 26% SAYING PROBABLY NO OR DEFINITELY NO.
AS WE GET INTO THE VERBATIM COMMENTS LATER ON IN THE SURVEY, I'LL ANSWER SOME OF THE FAQS THAT SOME OF THOSE MAYBE HAS HAD AND THEN SOME THAT THEY DEFINITELY KNOW AND PROBABLY NO ONE HAS HAD.
WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE INCLUDED JUST AS HOLISTICALLY AS OUR TRASH SERVICE, NOT NECESSARILY THOSE EXCLUSIVELY PROVIDED BY REPUBLIC.
WE ASKED, HOW IMPORTANT ARE THESE ELEMENTS OF SERVICE TO YOU AS THEY CURRENTLY STAND? TO NO ONE'S SURPRISE, ONCE PER WEEK RECYCLING COLLECTION AND TWICE PER WEEK TRASH COLLECTION WERE THE MOST IMPORTANT SERVICES FOLLOWED BY THE ANNUAL HOUSEHOLD WASTE EVENT, AS WELL AS BRUSH COLLECTION AND BULK COLLECTION.
AFTER THAT, WE ASKED THE RESIDENT SATISFACTION WITH ALL OF THE SAME SERVICES.
AGAIN, WE SAW A REALLY HIGH SATISFACTION ACROSS ALL OF THE SERVICES, EVEN THOSE THAT HAVE LOW SERVICE LEVELS OR SERVICE SATISFACTION LEVEL, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FORT WORTH ENVIRONMENTAL COLLECTION CENTER.
IT WAS DRIVEN NOT BY HIGH DISSATISFACTION, BUT EITHER NEUTRAL OR PEOPLE NOT UTILIZING THE SERVICE.
WE ACTUALLY SAW THAT ABOUT 18% OF PEOPLE SAY THAT THEY DON'T UTILIZE THE ENVIRONMENTAL COLLECTION CENTER.
PART OF THAT IN THE VERBATIM IS THE DISTANCE THAT IT TAKES TO GET THERE AND JUST THE EASE, THE HOURS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
GETTING INTO THE VERBATIM COMMENTS, WE ASKED, PLEASE TELL US ANYTHING ADDITIONAL YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR SATISFACTION OR DISSATISFACTION WITH THE SERVICES CURRENTLY OFFERED.
ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, MOST OF THE COMMENTS WERE POSITIVE BECAUSE MOST OF THE SATISFACTION WAS POSITIVE.
WE HAD COMMENTS, GREAT SERVICE, FRIENDLY STAFF, PEOPLE REALLY LIKE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH BULK AND YARD WASTE.
ON THE FLIP SIDE, THE MISSED PICK-UPS, LEAF RECYCLING ISSUES, AND CONTAINER PLACEMENT WAS THE MAJORITY OF THE NEGATIVES.
ON THE CONTAINER PLACEMENT, IT'S PUTTING THE CONTAINER IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMEONE'S DRIVEWAY VERSUS TO THE SIDE OF THEIR DRIVEWAY OR JUST BEING A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL WITH THE CONTAINERS.
THE NEXT OPEN-ENDED QUESTION WAS ASKING IF THERE WERE ANY CHANGES THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IF ANYTHING.
REALLY SURPRISINGLY, THE BIGGEST ONE WAS IMPROVED RECYCLING EDUCATION.
ALSO, JUST BASICALLY, WHAT DO I RECYCLE? HOW DO I RECYCLE IT? WE HAVE TOOLS ON OUR WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN GO IN AND TYPE IN PLASTIC BOTTLE OR NEWSPAPER, ANY MATERIAL, EVEN DOWN TO BRICKS, AND IT'LL TELL YOU HOW TO DISPOSE OF THAT ITEM.
IT SHOWED US THAT WE NEED TO DO MORE PROACTIVE CAMPAIGNING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE SERVICES THAT WE OFFER.
ALTERNATIVELY, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WERE WANTING ACTUALLY TWICE A WEEK RECYCLING AND SOME WERE WANTING ADDITIONAL CARTS AND DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY COULD GET ADDITIONAL CARTS, ETC.
AGAIN, WE SAW SEVERAL OF THESE COMMENTS ALSO COMPLEMENTING THE DRIVERS AND THE GREAT SERVICE.
THEN ONCE WE START GETTING DOWN INTO THESE SINGLE DIGITS, IT SPREADS OUT.
BUT A FEW RESIDENTS SAYING THAT THEY COULD GO TO ONCE WEEKLY COLLECTION, SOME SAYING THEY WANTED NO CHANGES AND THEN THE HAZARDOUS WASTES POPPED UP AGAIN AS WANTING SOME IMPROVEMENT IN THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE, SO MAKING IT EASIER TO DISPOSE OF THINGS LIKE BATTERIES, LIGHT BULBS, EXPANDING OUR HOUSEHOLD, HAZARDOUS WASTE EVENTS, WE ARE LIMITED WITH THE FORT WORTH COLLECTION CENTER AS TO HOW MANY EVENTS WE CAN DO PER YEAR BUT WE COULD POTENTIALLY WITH A NEW CONTRACT, LOOK AT EXPANDING THAT SERVICE.
ANSWERING SOME OF THE FAQS THAT CAME UP IN THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF THE SURVEY HAD TO DO WITH ESSENTIALLY THE VOLUME OF MATERIAL THAT PEOPLE COULD PUT OUT.
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YOUR TRASH WOULD HAVE TO GO INSIDE OF THE AUTOMATED CART.YOU COULD GET ADDITIONAL CARTS IF YOU'RE A HEAVY TRASH USER FOR AN ADDITIONAL FEE PER MONTH.
PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE CARTS AND 95 GALLON IS TOO BIG FOR MY GARAGE OR TOO BIG FOR MY HOME.
I WOULD PREFER A SMALLER CART.
REPUBLIC DOES OFFER A 65 GALLON CART THAT'S MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT MOST RESIDENTS HAVE.
THEN THE OTHER QUESTIONS WERE REALLY ABOUT ONE-OFF EVENTS, SO I HAVE A PARTY, I HAVE AN EVENT, HOW DO I GET RID OF THESE EXTRA BAGS THAT I HAVE? REPUBLIC, IN TALKING WITH THEM, THEY HAVE SOME OPTIONS.
I HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM REPUBLIC HERE, VINCE RABEL.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS EITHER IT COULD BE HANDLED THROUGH THE BULK WASTE OR THERE'S TAGS AND THINGS THAT COULD GO ON THE BAGS FOR THOSE ONE-OFF EVENTS.
IF THEY'RE HAVING FREQUENT ONE-OFF EVENTS, THEN WE WOULD RECOMMEND GETTING A SECOND TRASH CAN.
ALSO WITH THE BULK AND YARD WASTE, THERE'S AGAIN A FEW OPTIONS AND A FEW WAYS THAT THIS COULD WORK.
IN SOME CITIES, THEY HAVE A BULK DAY.
RIGHT NOW RESIDENTS CAN PUT OUT A MATTRESS OR A CHAIR, WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DISPOSE OF WITH THEIR REGULAR TRASH COLLECTION.
THEY GET TWO CUBIC YARDS PER COLLECTION DAY, SO FOUR CUBIC YARDS A WEEK.
A CUBIC YARD IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF A WASHER AND DRYER OR A WASHER.
THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT EITHER ONCE A WEEK AND STILL GET YOUR YARD WASTE PICKED UP, YOUR BULK WASTE PICKED UP.
OR IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY THE SAME DAY AS YOUR TRASH PICKUP AND THEY WOULD SEND ONE TRUCK THROUGH TO COLLECT THE AUTOMATED CARTS AND THEN SEND ONE TRUCK THROUGH TO COLLECT THE BULK WASTE.
THESE WERE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD.
THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THAT SAID, HEY, THIS SOUNDS LIKE YOU MIGHT BE GOING TO ONCE A WEEK PICKUP.
THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
TWICE A WEEK PICKUP IS ALSO AN OPTION.
THEN REALLY THE ARGUMENT FOR WHY REPUBLIC IS SWITCHING NATIONWIDE TO THIS SERVICE MODEL IS THAT IT IS A MORE SUSTAINABLE SERVICE MODEL FROM A LABOR STANDPOINT.
THEY REPORT THAT THEY HAVE FEWER WORKER INJURIES AND FATALITIES.
NOT HAVING WORKERS ON THE BACK OF THE CARTS, THEY'RE AWAY FROM TRAFFIC.
ONE THING WE DID SEE IN THE SURVEY WAS PEOPLE WANTING MORE CONSISTENT COLLECTION TIMES AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HELPED, NOT NECESSARILY RESOLVED, BY AN AUTOMATED CART SYSTEM.
FOR EXAMPLE, OVER THIS PAST SUMMER, WITH THE HEAT THAT WE SAW THIS PAST SUMMER, WE HAD SOME ISSUES HAVING ROUTES BE FINISHED.
WE NEVER HAD THAT ISSUE WITH THE RECYCLING SIDE BECAUSE IT IS THE AUTOMATED CART SYSTEM.
THE TRASH ROUTES JUST WITH THE VOLUMES THEY CHANGE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE UNPREDICTABLE.
AS FAR AS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SLIDE, I'LL HAVE MR. RABEL COME UP AND EXPLAIN MORE IN A LITTLE BIT.
JUST LOOKING AT THE MARKET, MOST OF THE PROVIDERS NATIONWIDE ARE SWITCHING TO THIS MODEL.
HERE IN NORTH TEXAS, THESE ARE THE BIG FOUR FRONTIERS, A MUCH SMALLER COMPANY, BUT THEY STILL HAVE A SHARE OF SOME OF THE MORE RURAL CITIES.
WASTE-MANAGEMENT, REPUBLIC, AND FRONTIER ARE ALL SWITCHING TO THIS SERVICE MODEL.
RIGHT NOW CWD DOES OFFER MANUAL COLLECTIONS STILL IN SOME COMMUNITIES, KELLER, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THE AUTOMATED CART SYSTEM IN EITHER COMMUNITIES.
AGAIN, WE MAY HAVE THIS OPTION, BUT WE COULD BE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH A DIFFERENT VENDOR IN A FEW YEARS.
TONIGHT WE WON'T BE TALKING ABOUT RATES NECESSARILY AND WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE FROM A RATE STANDPOINT BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL FACTORS THAT GO INTO CREATING THAT RATE.
THE SERVICE LEVEL, THE VOLUMES, TIMELINE, THE CONTRACT TERM ALL OF THESE THINGS FACTOR INTO THAT RATE.
WE'LL COME BACK LATER ON IN THE SUMMER ONCE WE HAVE FURTHER DIRECTION ON WHICH OPTION TO PURSUE TO COME BACK AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT SERVICE LEVELS AND RATES AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
THAT'S IF YOU WANT TO STAY WITH REPUBLIC.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO STAY WITH MANUAL COLLECTION AND TRY TO FIND ANOTHER PROVIDER, WE COULD LOOK AT DIRECT NEGOTIATION WITH ANOTHER COMPANY.
UNDER THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE WE ARE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE AND BE EXCLUDED FROM THE BIDDING EXEMPTIONS UNDER HEALTH AND SAFETY.
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ALTERNATIVELY, WE COULD BID THIS OUT AND SEE WHERE THE MARKET IT LOOKS LIKE.IT'D BE NEXT STEPS WITH THE GOAL OF ADOPTING SOMETHING IN THE AUGUST TIME-FRAME, EARLY SEPTEMBER SO THAT WE'RE READY TO GO BY THE TIME THE CONTRACT EXPIRES.
I WILL SAY THAT IF REPUBLIC HAS NOTIFIED US THAT ANY OF THE CARTS, THE TRUCKS JUST WITH MATERIAL DELAYS AND THINGS, THEY'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT AN 18-MONTH DELIVERY TIME FOR GETTING THIS SERVICE MODEL IMPLEMENTED SO IF THIS CHANGE WAS MADE, WE WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT AUTOMATED CARTS FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
>> MANUAL [OVERLAPPING] PICK-UP WOULD CONTINUE UNTIL IT WAS IMPLEMENTED?
>> REALLY THAT IS MY PRESENTATION AND I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR COUNCIL FEEDBACK AND DISCUSSION AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MYSELF OR MR. RABEL, WE'RE HAPPY TO HELP.
>> IF YOU DECIDE TO HAVE AN EXTRA TRASH CAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TRASH EACH WEEK IS THERE ADDITIONAL FEE FOR THAT?
>> YES, MA'AM. SIMILAR TO HOW THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL FEE RIGHT NOW FOR THE RECYCLING CARTS, IT'S ABOUT 50% OF THE RATE FOR YOUR TRASH, WHATEVER THE TRASH RATE ENDS UP BEING.
THEN REPUBLIC ESTIMATES THAT ABOUT 25% IF WE WERE ON A TWICE WEEKLY SCHEDULE WOULD NEED THAT EXTRA CART JUST BASED OFF OF VOLUMES.
>> I NOTICED IN HERE, A LOT OF GREAT COMMENTS PEOPLE THAT DEFINITELY ARE SATISFIED.
BUT ONE OF THEM THAT SEEM TO COME THROUGH IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH IF THEY LEAVE EXTRA TRASH ON THE SIDEWALK OR ROAD.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN EXTRA BIN.
>> IF IT QUALIFIED FOR THE BULK WASTE THAT COULD BE COLLECTED.
BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT WITH REPUBLIC TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST OPTION FOR THE RESIDENCE THROUGH THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS.
AS FAR AS SPILLAGE, OR LITTERING, THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF TRASH GETS DUMPED ON MY LAWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IN OTHER CITIES, REPUBLIC HAS A ESSENTIALLY LIKE AN ON-CALL CLEANUP CREW THAT WILL COME THROUGH AND COLLECT BROKEN BOTTLES OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT FALL OUT OF THE TRUCK.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL?
>> I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE REPUBLIC REPRESENTATIVE.
>> WHAT WAS YOUR NAME, SIR? I'M SORRY.
WE'VE SEEN YOU HERE BEFORE. THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN.
>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AND MEMBERS OF STAFF.
I REPRESENT REPUBLIC SERVICES, BEEN WITH THE COMPANY 42 YEARS VERSUS DUNKIN AND REPUBLIC.
I'VE BEEN A DRIVER, DISPATCHER AND THE PAST 27 YEARS I'VE WORKED WITH OUR MUNICIPAL PARTNERS THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX.
EARLIER IN MY CAREER IN THE MUNICIPAL SIDE AT BROOKE PARTS OF WEST TEXAS, EAST TEXAS.
BUT NOW I'M FOCUSED ON REALLY SEVEN CONTRACTS THAT WE SERVICE FROM OUR ARLINGTON LOCATION.
>> VERY GOOD. MS. LENEAVE DID A GREAT JOB, I THOUGHT LAYING OUT THE REASONS YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO THE AUTOMATED COLLECTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT?
>> WELL, IT IS BASICALLY THREE PRIMARY DRIVERS BEHIND THAT.
ONE IS THE AVAILABILITY OF LABOR.
WE'VE SEEN DIMINISHING OF A POOL OF LABORERS THAT ARE WILLING TO GET OUT IN THE HEAT, OUT IN THE ELEMENTS AND DO THIS JOB. THAT'S NUMBER 1.
NUMBER 2, THE COST IS CONTINUING TO RISE IN AN ACCELERATED PACE TO GET AND ATTRACT AND KEEP THESE HELPERS.
OUR HELPER PAY THIS YEAR WILL BE 13% HIGHER THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.
WE ALSO HAVE TO PAY BONUSES IN THE SUMMERTIME AND THEN LEAVE SEASON TO KEEP.
IF THEY WORK A FULL WEEK, THEY GET A BONUS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM, IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP, THAT JUST PUTS A BIGGER BURDEN ON THE REST OF THE REMAINING CREW.
LAST TWO YEARS, THAT'S ABOUT $365,000.
BUT 20,000 PROBABLY IS SOUTHLAKE SHARE OF THAT COST.
AS A CORPORATION IS, WE ARE IN MAKING INVESTMENTS INTO OUR COMPANY AND INTO OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH OUR CITIES AND CUSTOMERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WE LOOK AT SEVERAL THINGS AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS WHAT DOES THE WASTE INDUSTRY LOOK THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS,10 YEARS FROM NOW? MANUAL COLLECTION IS NOT IN OUR OPINION A DURABLE PROCESS DIMINISHING LABOR MARKET, HIGHER COST FOR WAGES, AND SAFETY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT THAT WE CAN PROVIDE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
I'M SURE, YOU-ALL SEE THAT TOO WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES,
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YOU WANT TO PROVIDE THE SAFEST.WE HAVE INJURIES DAILY THAT WE DEAL WITH.
NOT ALL OF THEM REQUIRE IMMEDIATE MEDICAL ATTENTION, BUT A LOT OF THEM DO ABOUT 40 A YEAR WE END UP SENDING PEOPLE TO A CLINIC OR A HOSPITAL.
WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE THAT PART OF IT.
SECOND PART THAT WE LOOK AT IS, WHAT IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP? WHAT CAN WE DO AS A COMPANY TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE OUR PART AS A COMPANY, TO IMPROVE THE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT? I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK AT.
>> DURABLE PROCESSES, RECYCLING INITIATIVES, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, SAFETY OF OUR EMPLOYEES, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT GUIDE OUR DECISIONS.
WE'VE MADE THE DECISION WHAT DIDN'T COME LIGHTLY WITH A LOT OF DELIBERATION THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MANUAL COLLECTION FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT WE'VE OUTLINED.
>> SURE. THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.
THAT'S NOT JUST SOUTHLAKE, THAT'S EVERYWHERE.
>> YOU'RE NOT RENEWING ANY CONTRACTS FOR MANUAL COLLECTION?
>> THAT'S RIGHT. ARLINGTON HAS ALREADY AGREED TO MOVE TO AUTOMATION.
GRAPEVINE HAS ALREADY AGREED TO MOVE TO AUTOMATION.
WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS AS THESE CONTRACTS COME UP FOR RENEWAL.
SOUTHLAKE AND MANSFIELD ARE BOTH UP IN OCTOBER.
WE'RE HERE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TWO OF YOU.
>> I DON'T KNOW. WE'LL DISCUSS THIS IN A MINUTE. WE'LL GIVE STAFF FEEDBACK.
BUT IF THE DECISION IS TO BID THE CONTRACTS OUT, WOULD YOU GUYS BE INTERESTED IN BIDDING ON IT?
>> IF THE DECISION IS TO BID THE CONTRACT OUTLOOK IS SOME DIFFERENT PROVIDERS, I ASSUME YOU GUYS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THAT.
>> WE WOULD BID ON IT, BUT OUR BID WOULD ONLY INCLUDE AN OPTION FOR AUTOMATED.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE STILL INTERESTED IN THE WORK DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION WE GO.
>> ABSOLUTELY. WE'VE ENJOYED OUR PARTNERSHIP.
>> THAT HASN'T CHANGED. IT'S JUST WE DON'T SEE THAT THIS IS A SUSTAINABLE PROCESS. THAT'S ALL.
>> NO PROBLEM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. RABEL?
>> YES, MAYOR. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE TONIGHT.
IS THERE A SET DEFINITION AS TO I THINK IN OUR MINDS, WE ALL KNOW WHAT A BULK PICKUP IS.
IT'S THE WASHER DRYER. FOR ME I USE THAT ONCE A YEAR, MAYBE TWICE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IS THERE A SET DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT IS?
>> BULK WAYS CAN BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIALS.
OLD PINS PANELS WOULD FIT IN THE DEFINITION, FURNITURE, APPLIANCES, DEBRIS, NOT SO MUCH DEBRIS BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS GET HEAVY, THEY GET BULKY, THEY'RE HARD TO PUT IT IN A BAG AND PICK THEM UP WITHOUT TEARING THE BAG.
BUT IT'S MOST OF THE HOUSEHOLD ITEMS, AUTOMOTIVE PARTS WE DON'T COLLECT.
>> RIGHT. THE THE PREMISE OF MY QUESTION IS, IN AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM, AUTOMATED WORLD, IF A CUSTOMER CONSTANTLY HAD MORE TRASH THAN THEY COULD FIT IN THEIR 95 GALLON CAN, A COUPLE OF EXTRA KITCHEN BAGS OR A HEFTY SACK OR WHATEVER.
THE CURRENT CONTRACT, AND LET'S JUST ASSUME THAT WOULD BE IN THE NEW CONTRACT THAT YOU CAN HAVE TWO CUBIC YARDS PER PICKUP. THAT'S FOR A WEEK.
IF WE HAD TWICE A WEEK PICKUP, COULD THEY THEORETICALLY CALL EVERY SINGLE DAY AND SAY, I HAVE TWO YARDS OR ONE YARD AND IT HAPPENS TO BE TWO BAGS OF TRASH.
>> IF IT'S BAGS OF TRASH THAT WOULDN'T BE A BULK ITEM.
THAT WOULD STILL BE PART OF THE SOLID WASTE, WHAT WE CALL HOUSEHOLD WASTE, REGULAR HOUSEHOLD WASTE STREAM.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT APPROACHES.
THERE WAS A DIFFERENT COST STRUCTURE FOR THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES.
WE CAN BE PICKED UP WITH BULK.
WE WOULD HAVE TO MODEL THAT ADDITIONAL COST OF MORE BULK HOURS, MORE BULK CREWS TO CLICK THE OVERFLOW AND THEN EVERYBODY PAYS ADDITIONAL.
THE OTHER APPROACH IS IF IT'S A ONE-OFF, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN OUR BULK COLLECTION AS WELL.
IF THEY'RE CONSISTENTLY GENERATING MORE WASTE, IT WOULD BE MORE COST-EFFECTIVE TO THE CITIZENRY OR OVERALL, IF AN ADDITIONAL CARD IS UTILIZED.
AS LAUREN MENTIONED, THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL COST FOR THAT, ABOUT 50% OF THE COST OF THE BASE TRASH RATE.
SOME CITIES ISSUE BAG A TAG AND GET TAGGED OUT.
LOOK, I'M AT A PARTY THIS WEEKEND, I'M AT THREE EXTRA BAGS, TRASH, THEY COME AND BUY THREE TAGS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COST IS.
WHAT WE DO AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM IS A WEEK AFTER THE HOLIDAY, WE UTILIZE OUR BULK TRUCKS TO GET THE OVERFLOW BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MUCH WE KNOW THAT AFTER THANKSGIVING, CHRISTMAS, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE BAD TRASH, IT'S NOT GOING TO FIT IN THE CARDS.
WE PICK THAT UP WITH THE BULK TRUCKS AFTER A HOLIDAY.
>> CURRENTLY, IF YOU HAVE TWO TRASH CANS ANYTHING, THERE'S NO EXTRA CHARGE FOR ANY OF THAT, RIGHT?
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>> CURRENTLY THERE'S NO EXTRA CHARGE FOR IF YOU HAVE TO TRASH CANS ARE THREE TRASH CANS, I GUESS, OR ANYTHING?
>> IT'S THE SAME RATE NO MATTER WHAT YOUR VOLUME IS.
>> I HEAR THAT WE HAVE THE NEW TRASH CANS ARE 95 GALLONS VERSUS THE CURRENT, 65 IS THE MOST AVERAGE RIGHT NOW.
THE MORE I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, THE ISSUE I HAVE IS WE'RE BASICALLY ASSUMING THAT EVERY HOUSE IN SOUTHLAKE CREATES THE SAME TRASH.
IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY OF SIX LIVING HERE AND YOU'RE PAYING MORE TAXES, YOU'RE PAYING MORE FOR EVERYTHING ACROSS THE BOARD.
NOW WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PAY MORE FOR YOUR TRASH COLLECTION THAN SOMEONE ELSE AND STUFF LIKE THAT'S THE ISSUE I HAVE WITH STUFF.
IS THERE AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE CHOOSING WHETHER THEY WANT TWO 65S LIKE THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD OR 195 AND THERE'S NOT AN EXTRA COST? TO ME, I JUST HAVE A REAL PROBLEM NICKEL AND DIMING THE CITIZENS WITH EXTRA TRASH BAGS AND EXTRA TRASH CANS.
>> WELL, WITH AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM, YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO MAKE IT MORE USER-BASED FEE.
IF I GENERATE MORE WASTE, I PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE TO COLLECT THAT WASTE.
NO DIFFERENT THAN WATER OR ELECTRICITY OR THE UTILITY.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS JUST, WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP EVERYTHING, THAT'S A MUCH HIGHER COST.
WHAT YOU END UP WITH IS WHAT YOU HAVE NOW IS SOMEWHAT INEQUITABLE.
THE SENIOR CITIZEN OR THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME WHERE THERE'S JUST ONE OR TWO PEOPLE LIVE IN THERE AND THAT GENERATE THAT MUCH TRASH.
THEY'RE HELPING TO SUBSIDIZE COLLECTION AT THESE HEAVY GENERATOR HOMES.
IT'S OKAY IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO. WE CAN DO IT EITHER WAY.
LET'S SAY WE DO GO TO THIS 95 GALLON TWICE A WEEK PICKUP, SAME FREQUENCY WE HAVE NOW, CAN WE EXPECT A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE AVERAGE PRICE IF WE STAY LIKE WE ARE?
>> I HAVEN'T SEEN A MODEL YET OR PRICES GOING DOWN.
>> WELL, WE WENT TWO DOLLARS IN ARLINGTON THIS PAST OCTOBER TO THE RATE.
THAT'LL HAPPEN HERE. THERE'S AN ADJUSTMENT TO BE MADE JUST FOR WHAT COSTS ARE TODAY.
WHAT I JUST MENTIONED ARE LABOR COSTS FOR HELPERS IS GOING UP 13% THIS YEAR.
THERE'LL BE AN INCREASE INITIALLY UNDER A NEW CONTRACT TO GET THE RIGHT TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO COVER THE COST OF CURRENT SERVICES.
THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUMP AGAIN WHEN WE PUT AUTOMATION JUST BECAUSE OF THE INVESTMENT.
I CAN TELL YOU IN ARLINGTON, WE LOOKED AT THIS AND THE COUNCIL HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION, WON'T YOU SAVING MONEY ON LABOR? WELL, WE DID.
WE HAD ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR SAVINGS ON LABOR FROM THE BACK OF THE TRUNK.
HOWEVER, THE INVESTMENT IN NEW TRUCKS, THE ANNUAL DEPRECIATION WAS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS. IT'S SOMEWHAT OF AN OFFSET.
>> WE KEEP THE MANUAL LABOR AND KEEP US AT OUR SAME LEVEL OF SERVICES.
THAT'S THE PIECE I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS WE JUST GAVE HIM AN INCREASE, WHAT WAS IT? THREE MONTHS AGO, FOUR MONTHS AGO? WE JUST PAID AN INCREASE FOR THAT ALREADY.
NOW WE'RE GETTING HIT WITH ANOTHER INCREASE OR WE'RE GOING TO PAY THE SAME OR MORE FOR LESS SERVICE.
>> WELL, OUR COSTS ARE GOING UP.
NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYONE ELSE'S.
TRUCKS NOW ARE 350, $360,000 A PIECE.
FUEL IS COSTING US MORE, STILL'S UP 100%.
EVERYTHING IS COSTING US MORE MONEY AND THAT HAS TO BE PASSED THROUGH TO THE CUSTOMERS.
SO THAT'S COMING REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU HAVE.
>> BUT YOU'RE SELLING US ON AUTOMATION BEING A CHEAPER SAVING ON LABOR, SAVING ON THIS, SAVING ON THAT.
BUT YET WE'RE NOT SAVING ANYTHING AND WE'RE GETTING LESS SERVICE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, THERE'S A LARGE OUTLAY OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND THAT ALL SETS THAT LABOR COST.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS COMPONENT OF IT, WE ARE SHIFTING COSTS FROM AN UNRELIABLE LABOR SOURCE OVER TO A FIXED ASSET COST THAT'S MORE MANAGEABLE AND IT'S PREDICTABLE AND DOESN'T CHANGE YEAR OVER YEAR.
LABOR COSTS ARE ONLY GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET HIGHER.
>> HOW MANY YEARS DO WE USUALLY SIGN A CONTRACT FOR?
>> FIVE YEARS. DO WE PAY MORE YEAR 1 AND WE DO.
IT DROPS THE YEAR, 2, 3, 4, 5, IT GOES DOWN SINCE [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE RATES ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSED.
IF YOU GUYS, I HOPE YOU DO BID ON THIS WORK, BUT YOU'LL COME BACK TO US.
>> MOST COMPETITIVE RATE PACKAGE AND WE CAN CHOOSE OUR OPTIONS AT THAT POINT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. EBELL?
>> THANK YOU, SIR. TAKE A SEAT.
>> I'M NOT GOING BACK UP. MS. LENEAVE, YOU NEED SOME FEEDBACK FROM US, CORRECT?
>> WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? WE CAN ENGAGE IN DIRECT NEGOTIATION WITH REPUBLIC, TRY TO GET THE BEST DEAL WE CAN.
WHAT ARE YOU SEEING DONE IN OTHER PLACES IN THE METROPLEX, DO WE KNOW HOW ARLINGTON DO? DO WE KNOW ANYBODY WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT ARLINGTON? [LAUGHTER]
>> WE MAY HAVE AN INSIDER HERE, BUT YES, GOOD STRESS AS WELL.
ARLINGTON DID GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN TALKING WITH VINCE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WENT THROUGH SET OF COUNCIL COMMITTEES, THINGS TO REALLY VET THE SYSTEM, AND ULTIMATELY DECIDED TO RENEW WITH REPUBLIC UNDER THE AUTOMATED COLLECTION.
>> ENGAGING IN DIRECT NEGOTIATIONS VERSUS SENDING OUT TIBET?
>> ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYONE? CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANYONE WHO'S BID OUT THEIR CONTRACT?
>> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANYONE THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE CONTRACT RENEWAL YET.
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FOR THE MOST PART, THE GENERAL PRACTICES AND NOT GENERAL NECESSARILY, BUT HERE IN THE NORTH TEXAS MARKET, GENERALLY EITHER DIRECT NEGOTIATION WITH THEIR CURRENT PROVIDER OR DIRECT NEGOTIATION WITH ANOTHER PROVIDERS, THE TREND.>> I'LL START, SOMETHING I TAKE REAL SERIOUSLY IS WHAT WE DO ALL THE TIME.
THAT IS PROVIDING SERVICES, NOT REDUCING SERVICES AND DOING IT TO THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE WAY WE CAN DO IT.
THAT WOULD BE MY APPROACH HERE IS, FIRST OF ALL, I'VE BEEN VERY PLEASED WITH REPUBLIC.
I MEAN, I'VE VOTED FOR THEIR CONTRACT IN 2013, IN 2018.
THEY DO GREAT WORK. IT'D BE FANTASTIC IF WE COULD CONTINUE AND HAVE THAT CONSISTENCY, BUT COSTS COME TO CALL SOME SERVICE OR WHAT'S GOING TO DRIVE IT.
I'M OPEN TO EITHER SEEKING BEDS OR DIRECT NEGOTIATION, BUT I WOULDN'T BE SUPPORTIVE OF REDUCING SERVICE.
I THINK THE SURVEYS WERE CRYSTAL CLEAR.
IT WAS 75, 80% OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING TWICE A WEEK.
WHEN I JUST USED THE EYEBALL TEST AND I GO DOWN THE STREET, I CAN TELL YOU COUNCILMAN ROBBIN WAS TALKING ABOUT 65 GALLON IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HAVE 95 GALLONS ALREADY THAT THEY'VE PURCHASED A HOME DEPOT.
MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING SITTING NEXT TO IT ALSO.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BULK ITEMS. I'M TALKING TO AN EXTRA WHITE KITCHEN BAG OR SOME BOXES FROM A TV OR SOMETHING.
THEY'RE ALREADY USING 95 GALLON TWICE A WEEK.
I CAN'T SEE US GO INTO ONCE A WEEK.
>> ONCE A WEEK'S ON THE TABLE, CORRECT?
>> OH, YEAH. TWICE A WEEK, I THINK IS ALMOST.
>> I THINK WE HAVE TO [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S ALMOST THE ASSUMPTION.
>> WE HAVE TO DO TWICE A WEEK. IS THERE ANYBODY UP HERE SUPPORTIVE OF A ONCE A WEEK? MY MISSUS OFTEN WOULD KILL ME IF WE WERE TO [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE CAN'T DO THAT. WELL, THAT'S EASY NOW.
WE'RE AT TWICE A WEEK NOW. THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS ON THIS THOUGH.
I KNOW IT'S EASY TO HEAR, WELL, JUST BUY ANOTHER CAR.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE HOAS THE MINUTE YOU'RE 95 GALLON CART SHOWS, I CAN TELL YOU IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE LITTLE EDGE OF THAT 95 GALLON CAR SHOWS FROM BEHIND THAT BRICK COLUMN AND YOU'RE GETTING A PHOTOGRAPH AND A LETTER FROM THE HOA.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU PUT THE SECOND ONE.
THERE IS A LOT IN PLAY HERE. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.
I'M THRILLED THAT WE WOULD STICK WITH TWICE A WEEK.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE COST THAT NEEDS TO BE REASONABLE.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET AWAY FROM AUTOMATION.
THAT SEEMS TO BE THE WAY IT'S GOING.
>> I AGREE. OBVIOUSLY, THE SAME TWICE A WEEK AND RECYCLING SERVICE.
WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THESE COMMENTS, IT'S OVERWHELMING HOW SATISFIED PEOPLE ARE WITH REPUBLIC.
IT'S GREAT THAT WE'VE APPROVED A PROVIDER THAT IS PROVIDING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THAT REALLY COMES THROUGH.
IT WOULD BE AN ADJUSTMENT TO HAVE AN EXTRA BEEN OUT THERE.
BUT I THINK WITH THE TIMEFRAME THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY LIKE TO DO IS EDUCATE OUR RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT'S COMING.
I THINK IF WE DID GO THIS WAY, WE WOULD HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO DO THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
I DON'T SEE THE FUTURE WITHOUT AUTOMATION ONLY. I THINK THAT'S COMING.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, DO WE PUT IT OUT TO BID OR DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH REPUBLIC? MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION THEN IS, HOW MANY OTHER, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU CAN JUST SAY THERE'S SEVERAL OR A FEW, HOW MANY OTHER COMPANIES ARE THERE THAT WOULD STILL CONTRACT WITH US OR ANOTHER CITY AND DO MANUAL COLLECTION?
>> I KNOW OF ONE, BUT NOT AS WE HAVE NOT APPROACHED THEM AS FAR AS DO THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR OUR CONTRACTS, ALL OF THAT WOULD NEED TO BE WORKED OUT.
HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN OVER, WE HAVE A CAPITAL INVESTMENT TO MAKE, SO WE'RE GOING TO PASS IT OFF TO YOU.
PRETTY SURE YOU'RE PROFITABLE COMPANY.
IF I HAVE TO BUY A NEW COPYRIGHT, I MIGHT PASS IT DOWN TO MY CUSTOMERS.
I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT. BUT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
I DON'T THINK I THINK WE'RE LOSING BATTLE TO GO BID CWD BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO PUT OUR EXTRA TRASH BAG OUT.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO US IN YEAR TWO AND BE LIKE, OH SORRY, WE'VE MADE THE SAME DECISION AND WE'RE GOING TO BE LIKE, WELL, WHY DID WE SWITCH? SWITCHING IS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE, IN MY OPINION. [LAUGHTER]
>> I THINK CONSISTENCY IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID, THAT THE EDUCATION PIECE AND EVERYBODY'S SWITCHING OUT BINS AND SWITCHING PROVIDERS, I THINK IT'S A NIGHTMARE.
I WOULD PERSONALLY BE IN FAVOR OF TWICE A WEEK DIRECT NEGOTIATION WITH OUR CURRENT PROVIDER.
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>> I STILL THINK WE NEED TO SEND IT OUT TO BID.
I'M HOPING AND CONFIDENT THAT REPUBLIC WILL COME IN WITH A COMPETITIVE BID THAT WE MAY TAKE AS THE BEST BID EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE CHEAPEST.
BUT I STILL THINK AS FIDUCIARIES, WE HAVE TO PUT IT OUT TO BID.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE OTHER PROPOSALS MAY NOT BE AS ATTRACTIVE IN MANY WAYS, BUT I STILL THINK THAT'S A LITTLE EXTRA WORK IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYONE SAID AND WHAT THE SURVEY SAID ABOUT REPUBLIC, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS GO OUT TO BID AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
I FULLY EXPECT IT WILL BE REPUBLIC, BUT WE'LL JUST WAIT AND SEE.
>> HAVE WE GONE OUT TO BID IN THE PAST?
>> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE WENT OUT TO BID?
>> IN THE 30 YEARS THAT I'VE WORKED FOR THE CITY, WE'VE NEVER BID OUR GARBAGE CONTRACT.
WE HAVE ALWAYS USED DIRECT NEGOTIATION.
EVEN WHEN WE MADE THE SWITCH TO REPUBLIC, THAT WAS THE METHOD WE USED.
>> WHO DID WE SWITCH FROM? > THEY HAD NUMEROUS NAMES.
ALLIED WASTE, I THINK WAS MAYBE THE LAST NAME.
WE GOT INTO QUITE A FEW SERVICE ISSUES.
WHEN WE WENT TO THE DIRECT NEGOTIATION PROCESS, OUR GOAL WAS TO GET A PROVIDER THAT COULD WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY AND KEEP THIS COMMUNITY SATISFIED IN THE CONTRACT THAT WE NEGOTIATED AT THAT TIME INCLUDED THINGS LIKE NO TRUCK COULD BE OLDER THAN I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S I THINK IT WAS EIGHT YEARS.
WE HAD A SUPERVISOR ON-SITE DURING THE DAY.
WE NEGOTIATED SPECIFIC PROVISIONS THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD ENHANCE CUSTOMER SERVICE, WHICH WAS A PROBLEM BACK IN THE DAY.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW MANY PROVIDERS ARE EVEN CAPABLE OF SERVICING THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE? BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE IT'S A LARGE NUMBER.
IN THE NORTH TEXAS MARKET, THERE'S REALLY THE TWO BIG ONES, CWD AND REPUBLIC.
WASTE MANAGEMENT IS AROUND, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE AS MANY CONTRACTS IN THIS AREA.
THEN FRONTIER IS AS I SAID EARLIER, IN THOSE RURAL COMMUNITIES, LIKE I THINK HAZLETT.
>> ANYTHING NAMED FRONTIER MAKES ME NERVOUS IN SOUTHLAKE.
>> WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE IF ANY OF THESE WOULD BID IF OFFERED.
>> WHEN DOES THE CONTRACT ACTUALLY EXPIRE?
>> OF COURSE, ALL OF I ASK IS THAT WE DON'T BACK OURSELVES IN A CORNER WHERE, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER MCCASKILL THAT IF REPUBLIC DOESN'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE EVEN WILLING TO LOOK AT ANY OTHER USER, THEN THERE'S NO MOTIVATION TO BE AGGRESSIVE IN THEIR BID.
I THINK WE HAVE TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT IT, BUT WE NEED TO MOVE QUICKLY SO WE CAN ACTUALLY REACT TO IT BECAUSE IF THE BID IS REALLY NOT COMPETITIVE.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE FORCED INTO A POSITION, JUST HAVING TO TAKE IT BECAUSE OF KEEP TRASH SERVICE.
>> YES. IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO GO, WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE VERY QUICKLY.
>> WHEN YOU SAY IN A DIRECT NEGOTIATION, CAN WE NOT ENTER INTO SOME DIRECT NEGOTIATIONS WITH CWD AS WELL, IF THEY'RE THE MAJOR PLAYER IN THE MARKET?
>> WE CAN DIRECTLY NEGOTIATE WITH ANY TRASH COMPANY AVAILABLE.
>> I GUESS ONE GENERAL COMMENT, ONE SPECIFIC COMMENT.
IN GENERAL, IT'S A HUGE MISTAKE TO ASSUME SERVICES LIKE THIS ARE COMMODITIZED.
TO SHAWN'S POINT ABOUT WHY WE SWITCHED TO REPUBLIC AND GENERAL, THESE THINGS ARE HIGHLY DEPENDENT ON THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND OPERATIONS TO DELIVER EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE TO OUR VERY DEMANDING CUSTOMERS, AND SWITCHING PROVIDERS WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER TORRES-LEPP.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S NOT A COST-SAVING SITUATION THAT MIGHT MAKE IT WORTH IT.
HOWEVER, THIS TO ME DOES NOT FEEL LIKE A SITUATION WHERE YOU GO WITH NECESSARILY A LOW-COST PROVIDER.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT EVERYBODY'S ARGUING FOR.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE IN CONTROL OF THE PROCESS.
SENDING SOMETHING OUT TO BID SEEMS LIKE WE'RE CEDING CONTROL.
WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT ENGAGING WITH DIRECT NEGOTIATION WITH REPUBLIC, MAKING SURE THAT WE GET THEIR BEST FOOT FORWARD, AND ALSO HAVING SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH CWD ABOUT THEIR INTERESTS IN THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN BE INTERESTED? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TRUCKS SERVICE SOUTHLAKE?
>> MR. RAYBURN, ONE MORE QUESTION.
>> CURRENTLY, WE HAVE FIVE RESIDENTIAL TRUCKS FOR TRASH, TWO FOR RECYCLE BINS.
>> VINCE, YOU GOT TO TALK ON THE MICROPHONE.
>> YEAH MICROPHONE PLEASE, SIR.
>> SORRY. CURRENTLY, WE RUN FIVE RESIDENTIAL TRUCKS FOR TRASH.
>> TWO, FOR RECYCLE. THERE'S I THINK FRIDAY WE MAY RUN A THIRD RECYCLED TRUCK BECAUSE THAT'S A BIGGER AREA TO COVER.
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WE WILL BE RUNNING THREE FRONT-LOAD FOR COMMERCIAL AND WE HAVE TO ROLL OFFS FOR THE LARGER CAN.>> THANK YOU. I GUESS, LISTENING TO THAT, THIS WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL INVESTMENT FOR ANYBODY TAKING ON THIS CONTRACT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STARTING UP AUGUST OR OCTOBER 1ST.
IT'S POSSIBLE THE ANSWER WE GET IS, HEY, WE CAN'T TAKE ON CAPACITY BECAUSE CWD IS GOING TO BE FACING THE SAME LABOR SHORTAGES AS THESE GUYS ARE.
THANKS, VINCE. I WOULD BE OKAY ENGAGING IN NEGOTIATIONS, BUT MAYBE ASKING THE QUESTION OF CWD, ARE THEY EVEN INTERESTED?
THAT BASICALLY DOES WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME OTHER OPTIONS [OVERLAPPING]
>> EVEN LIKE YOU SAID ABOUT THE LOWEST BID MAY NOT BE THE BEST BID.
WE MAY THINK PAYING 10% MORE TO GO WITH REPUBLIC IS OKAY.
WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER SET OF NUMBERS.
>> JUST REAL QUICK. I'M JUST CURIOUS.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BID AND DIRECT NEGOTIATION WITH MULTIPLE IS THAT WE JUST SENT OUT A BID WITH AN OUTLINE AND WE JUST HOPE WHOEVER SENDS IT IN, SENDS IT IN, THIS WAY WE CONTROL, WE GO TO THEM AND WE SAY THIS, WHAT WE WANT TO BE, THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED.
>> I THINK OF IT AS CUSTOMIZATION BASED ON THE COMPANY THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH AND AND WHAT'S IT WORTH TO REPUBLIC IF WE DON'T BID? THERE ARE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU CAN HAVE ABOUT IT.
THAT SERVICE WAS KING WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS BEFORE.
>> IT WAS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
WE HAD OLD TRUCKS ON THE STREET.
LOTS OF OIL BEING SPILL, MEMPHIS.
IT WAS JUST A MESS AND A LOT OF ISSUES AND SO WE REALLY HAD SOME VERY SPECIFIC THINGS WE WANTED OUT OF OUR NEW CONTRACT.
DIRECT NEGOTIATION LETS YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
>> WELL, ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT APPROACH? I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
CAN WE PUT IT ON NEXT COUNCIL MEETINGS, WORK SESSION? WE'LL TALK THROUGH IT AGAIN.
>> VINCE, YOU CAN COME BACK OUT IF YOU WANT YOUR CHOICE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, SIR. THANKS, LAUREN. THAT WAS GREAT.
>> MOVING ON TO WORK SESSION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4,
[4. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session.]
DISCUSSION OF ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. TONIGHT ON CONSENT, WE HAVE ITEM 4A APPROVE THE MINUTES OF MARCH 21ST, 2023 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND THE MARCH 28TH, 2023 CITY COUNCIL STRATEGIC PRIORITIES WORKSHOP.ITEM 4B; APPROVING ENCROACHMENT AND JOINT USE AGREEMENT FOR A FENCE WITHIN A DRAINING DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED AT 808 JAMESTOWN LANE.
ITEM 4C; APPROVING ENCROACHMENT AND JOINT USE AGREEMENT FOR SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE EDITION BLOCK 2R1 LOT 4R FOR A PEDESTRIAN REP STEPS AND HANDRAIL WITHIN A CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR STATE STREET FOR THE DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 280 STATE STREET.
ITEM 4D;IS TABLING OF ZA23-0003, DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND SITE PLAN FOR KIRKWOOD EAST.
THAT'S IT FOR TODAY. COUNCIL, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO PUT ON CONSENT?
>> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I WOULD SUGGEST WE CONSIDER MOVING FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA AND APPROVING FIRST OF ALL, ITEM 9B, CASE NUMBER SV23-0005, ASSIGNED VARIANCE FOR ORIGIN BANK.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR A SIGN ON THE EAST ELEVATION FACING NORTH CARROLL AVENUE IN THE SAME SIZE AS WHAT WAS THERE UNDER CAPITAL ONE BANK.
ALSO, CONSIDER MOVING FROM REGULAR TO CONSENT AGENDA AND APPROVING ITEM 9C, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH CAPITAL GRILL, AND ALSO MOVING FROM REGULAR TO CONSENT AGENDA AND APPROVING CASE NUMBER 9D OR ITEM NUMBER 9D, CASE NUMBER ZA23-0007, THE PLAT REVISION AT 1352 LAKE VIEW DRIVE, THAT'S IN THE CROSS TIMBER HILLS WITH RESPECT TO A SECONDARY FRONT YARD SETBACK ALONG THE SIDE STREET OF A CORNER LOT.
>> GOOD WITH 9B, 9D, WE DO HAVE SOME ITEMS TO DISCUSS ON 9C.
WE'LL KEEP THAT ON REGULAR SESSION.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS 9D IN THE REGULAR AGENDA NOT ON CONSENT.
>> WE'LL JUST MOVE 9B THEN. B AS IN BOY, YEAH.
>> 9B IT IS. WELL, THEN WITH THAT, WE WILL CALL THE REGULAR SESSION TO ORDER.
[1. Call to order]
FIRST, AS ALWAYS IS OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION.[2. A. Executive Session:]
AS MAYOR, I HEREBY ADVISE YOU THAT WE ARE GOING INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 551 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071, TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, SECTION 551.074, TO DELIBERATE REGARDING PERSONNEL MATTERS, AND SECTION 551.087, TO DELIBERATE REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS.I EXPECT WE WILL BE BACK OUT 7:15.
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AND WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS REGULAR SESSION BACK TO ORDER.IS ANY ACTION NECESSARY OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION?
>> THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST ITEM IN TODAY'S REGULAR SESSION,
[3.A. Mayor's Report]
WHICH IS ITEM 38 FOR THE MAYOR'S REPORT.FOR THE MAYOR'S REPORT, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AS A CITY.
AS YOU GUYS MAY KNOW, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE IS IN SESSION EVERY TWO YEARS, AND THIS YEAR IS ONE OF THE LUCKY YEARS WHERE THEY HAVE GONE INTO SESSION.
WE AS A CITY COUNCIL ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AND BEHALF OF YOU, THE CITIZENS AND TAXPAYERS, WE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT GOES ON IN THE LEGISLATURE VERY CLOSELY BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT THE FOLKS DOWN IN AUSTIN DO AFFECTS US, NOT ONLY AS CITIZENS, BUT ALSO AS CITIES.
A FEW OF THE BILLS COMING THROUGH, I WILL TELL YOU AND THERE WILL BE MORE STUFF COMING OUT FROM US ABOUT THESE THINGS ARE QUITE TROUBLING WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE EFFECTS ON A CITY LIKE SOUTHLAKE.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT ONE OF THEM IN PARTICULAR.
I'M CALLING THIS THE TINY HOUSES EVERYWHERE BILL.
LET ME EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BIT AND YOU'LL HEAR WHY.
WHAT THIS BILL DOES AND ITS COMPANION IN THE HOUSE, THEY REALLY REPRESENT THE DEATH OF ZONING IN A PLACE LIKE SOUTHLAKE.
WHAT IT DOES IS IT PREEMPTS THE CITY FROM ANY CITY, SOUTHLAKE, OR ANY OTHER CITY IN TEXAS, FROM ENFORCING A ZONING ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES A LOT SIZE ANY LARGER THAN 1,400 SQUARE FEET.
I DIDN'T SAY HOUSE LARGER THAN 1,400 SQUARE FEET.
I SAID LOT SIZE 1,400 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER.
JUST AS A MATTER OF REFERENCE, THE CHAMBER WE'RE IN TONIGHT IS ABOUT 2,200 SQUARE FEET.
WHAT THAT MEANS IN LAYMAN'S TERMS IS THAT YOUR CITY COUNCIL CANNOT REQUIRE ANY BUILDER OR DEVELOPER TO HAVE LOTS, IF THIS BILL PASSES, TO HAVE LOT SIZES LARGER THAN ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF THIS ROOM.
YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT SORT OF HOUSES BUILT ON A LOT THAT BIG.
UNFORTUNATELY WHAT THIS BILL DOES IF, AGAIN, IT MIGHT NOT PASS.
IF IT DOES PASS, IT MIGHT NOT READ EXACTLY LIKE THIS.
BUT WHAT IT DOES IS REQUIRE OUR ZONING ORDINANCE TO ESSENTIALLY GO AWAY AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO TAKE SAY THEIR ACRE OF LAND IN SOUTHLAKE AND CUT IT UP INTO 30 OR 35 HOME SITES, THEY CAN AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
THIS HONESTLY IS AN INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS BILL FOR COMMUNITIES LIKE SOUTHLAKE.
YOU GUYS KNOW HOW FRANKLY TOUGH WE ARE ON DEVELOPERS AND WE ARE FOR A REASON, WE ARE BECAUSE THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE BUILT AND THE COUNCIL'S BEFORE US HAVE BUILT, IS BEAUTIFUL AND DESIRABLE.
THIS IS AN ASPIRATIONAL COMMUNITY AND WE LIKE IT THAT WAY.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ARBITRARY LOT SIZES.
IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH GETTING TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY AND SAYING THIS IS THE FEEL AND THE LOOK OF THIS CITY AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT AND THIS IS WHAT WE LIKE.
YOU GUYS ENDORSE IT BECAUSE YOU KEEP ELECTING US, AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP PROTECTING THAT.
BUT WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOUR HELP.
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT BILLS LIKE THIS WILL GO THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE, AND WE MAY BE CALLING ON YOU TO HELP US BY CALLING OUR REPRESENTATIVES, BY CALLING OUR SENATORS AND TELLING THEM YOUR OPINION THAT WE DON'T WANT TINY HOUSES EVERYWHERE IN SOUTHLAKE.
THAT WE LIKE OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND YOU GUYS LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO REGULATE THAT.
BUT WATCH SOCIAL MEDIA BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING OUT MORE INFORMATION AND YOU GUYS JUST JUST HELP US OUT IN MAKING SURE WE'RE COMMUNICATING WITH OUR SENATORS, OUR REPRESENTATIVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH THAT,
[3.B. City Manager's Report]
MOVE ON TO ITEM 3B, WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. MS. YELVERTON.>> MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO ASK MELINDA LOPEZ TO STEP FORWARD.
SHE'S GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE GOING ON THIS SPRING.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT.
I AM THE ASSISTANT TO THE DIRECTOR FOR THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
TONIGHT I JUST WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ABOUT SOME OF OUR INITIATIVES TO KEEP SOUTHLAKE BEAUTIFUL.
KEEP SOUTHLAKE BEAUTIFUL IS AN INTERDEPARTMENTAL STAFF COMMITTEE.
IT LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT, BUT THERE ARE STAFF MEMBERS ACROSS THE CITY THAT WORK AND MEET MONTHLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING THESE SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS.
THEY COMPOSE OF STAFF FROM THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS, HUMAN RESOURCES, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
LAST MONTH, YOU HEARD A LITTLE BIT FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS SIDE OF SOME OF THE INITIATIVES THAT KEEP SOUTHLAKE BEAUTIFUL PROVIDES TO OUR RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF RECYCLING AND THIS MONTH, SINCE IT IS NATIONAL GARDEN MONTH AND ALSO EARTH MONTH, I WANTED TO TAKE SOME TIME TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF OUR TREE INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE.
THOSE ARE ADOPT-A-STREET, THE STREET TREE PROGRAM AND THE MEMORIAL TREE PROGRAM.
ADOPT-A-STREET, LET'S RESIDENTS, FAMILIES, ORGANIZATIONS, AND BUSINESSES IN SOUTHLAKE TAKE OWNERSHIP OF A STREET WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, COMMIT TO CLEANING IT UP ONCE A QUARTER.
THAT GIVES THEM VOLUNTEER HOURS, BUT IT ALSO HELPS US MAINTAIN OUR STREETS LOOKING BEAUTIFUL [NOISE] THE STREET TREE PROGRAM ALLOWS RESIDENTS AND ORGANIZATIONS TO BUY STREET TREES FOR SHADE,
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PROVIDE HABITATS FOR OUR WILDLIFE, AND ALSO JUST KEEPS THE GREENNESS IN THE CITY OPT PART OF THE WAY WE LIKE IT.THEN I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT A MEMORIAL TREE PROGRAM, WHICH IS A NEW INITIATIVE THAT WE JUST STARTED THIS YEAR.
AS I MENTIONED, ADOPT-A-STREET IS A TWO-YEAR CONTRACT FOR INDIVIDUALS OR ORGANIZATIONS.
THIS YEAR WE HAD 165.5 BAGS OF TRASH COLLECTED IN 2022.
THAT ACTUALLY CUTS OUT TO A FEW MORE THAT I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU BRIEFLY.
IF I JUST FIND IT REALLY QUICKLY [NOISE] THAT COMES DOWN TO 337 VOLUNTEERS, WITH 221 OF THEM BEING UNDER THE AGE OF 18, CONTRIBUTING UP TO 491.5 HOURS OF SERVICE.
AS I SAID, COLLECTING 163.5 TOTAL BAGS OF TRASH AS WELL AS 32.25 BAGS OF RECYCLING.
IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM THAT WE LOVE TO HELP COMMUNITY DO.
WITH THE STREET TREE PROGRAM IN FY2013, WE SOLD 35 TREES.
NOW, THE MEMORIAL TREE PROGRAM ALLOWS RESIDENTS TO PLANT TREES IN MEMORY OF LOST LOVED ONES IN PUBLIC PARKS.
I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE MEMORIAL TREE PROGRAM, IS A NEW INITIATIVE THAT WE STARTED.
IT MIRRORS THE STREET TREE PROGRAM IN TERMS OF FOR TREE SPECIES THAT WE ARE ALLOWING RESIDENTS TO PURCHASE TO COMMEMORATE A DEPARTED PERSON.
YOU CAN PLANT THESE TREES ON BEHALF OF THE PERSON YOU WANT COMMEMORATE IN 13 ELIGIBLE PARKS.
THOSE ARE COMMUNITY PARKS AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, EXCLUDING THE ONES IN TOWN SQUARE.
IT WENT TO THE PARK BOARD IN FEBRUARY AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO CONTINUE.
THEN WE WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE HONOREES NAMES ON OUR WEBSITE FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM.
JUST LIKE THE STREET TREE PROGRAM, THE TREES WOULD BE PLANTED ANNUALLY IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH TO ENSURE THEIR BEST CHANCE OF SURVIVAL.
NOW I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE DESIGNATIONS THE CITY HAS RECEIVED FROM OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT SOUTHLAKE IS A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY AND THAT WE HAVE BEEN VERY INTENTIONAL WITH OUR INITIATIVES TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
THE TREE CITY USA IS PRESENTED BY THE ARBOR DAY FOUNDATION.
CITY OF SOUTHLAKE JUST RECENTLY GOT ANOTHER TREE CITY DESIGNATION FOR THE 26 YEAR IN A ROW.
IT'S ALSO GOTTEN A GROWTH AWARD FOR 17 YEARS.
IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY SPECIAL BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY 92 COMMUNITIES IN TEXAS THAT HAVE THIS DESIGNATION AND ONLY ABOUT 3,400 COMMUNITIES NATIONALLY.
THE CRITERIAS FOR THAT ARE FORMING A TREE BOARD OR DEPARTMENT, CREATING A TREE CARE ORDINANCE, HAVING AN ANNUAL COMMUNITY FORESTRY BUDGET OF AT LEAST TWO DOLLARS PER CAPITAL AND TO CELEBRATE ARBOR DAY.
AND THEN JUST AS A FUN FACT, THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES IN TEXAS TO DEVELOP A TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE IN 1993.
WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF THE CURVE IN THAT WAY. THAT'S SUPER FUN.
>> THE NEXT ONE IS A SCENIC CITY DESIGNATION.
WE'VE GOTTEN THREE YEARS SINCE 2012, AND EACH OF THEM PRETTY MUCH LAST FIVE YEARS.
WE'VE CONSECUTIVELY GOTTEN THIS DESIGNATION.
WE GOT OUR FIRST SCHOOL CERTIFICATION IN 2012, AND THEN WE'VE GOTTEN TWO PLATINUM CERTIFICATIONS IN 2017 AND 2022.
NEXT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR MASTER GARDENERS SINCE IT IS GARDEN MONTH.
AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, WE HAVE A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS CALLED THE MASTER GARDENERS THAT COME OUT TO THE BOB JONES NATURE CENTER AND PRESERVE.
THEY GO THROUGH A LOT OF TRAINING TO EARN THE DESIGNATION OF MASTER GARDENERS.
THEY HAVE TO DO AN INTERNSHIP WITH THE COUNTY AND THEN THEY HAVE TO PICK A COMMUNITY WITHIN THE COUNTY TO SERVE.
THE MASTER GARDENERS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE ARE REALLY PHENOMENAL.
THEY HAVE TO COME AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH, BUT THEY ARE OFTEN AT THE BOB JONES NATURE CENTER MORE THAN THAT.
REALLY WORKING SPECIFICALLY WITH THE POLLINATOR GARDEN, DESIGNATING AND ID SOME OF THE PLANTS THAT GROW THERE AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE KEEPING OUR NATIVE PLANT SPECIES LOOKING THE BEST SO THAT WE CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECOLOGICAL NATURE OF THE NATURE CENTER.
THEN LASTLY, I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU ABOUT SOME EXCITING EVENTS THAT WE HAVE COMING UP.
WE'RE SUPER EXCITED TO BE DOING A COLLABORATION WITH KENDRA SCOTT RIGHT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE.
EARTH DAY IS SATURDAY, APRIL 22ND AND IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE IN TOWN AND WANT TO CONTRIBUTE A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE GET A MOTHER'S DAY GIFT, GET SOMETHING FOR YOURSELF, FOR A FRIEND.
IF YOU STOP BY KENDRA SCOTT FROM 1:00-3:00 PM ON APRIL 22ND AND MENTIONED KEEP SOUTHLAKE BEAUTIFUL AT THE REGISTER, KENDRA SCOTT IS GOING TOO BE GENEROUS ENOUGH TO GIVE US BACK 20% OF THAT PURCHASE.
IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT IN PERSON, THE CODE GIVE BACK WILL WORK ONLINE AS WELL IF YOU'RE SHOPPING ONLINE AT KENDRA SCOTT THAT DAY AS WELL.
IF YOU'RE IN NEED FOR SOME KENDRA SCOTT DEFINITELY MENTION US AT THE REGISTER.
THEN IN MAY WE HAVE ANOTHER GREAT AMERICAN CLEANUP EVENT.
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MAY 13TH AT 9:00 AM.WE HAD OUR FIRST ONE IN A WHILE LAST YEAR.
THIS YEAR WE'RE MEETING UP AT PARKWOOD AGAIN IN THE MORNING PROVIDING VOLUNTEERS BREAKFAST.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO HELP OUR ADOPT-A-STREET PROGRAM BY ALLOWING OUR VOLUNTEERS TO CHOOSE ONE OF THE STREETS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADOPTED AND MAYBE NEED A LITTLE EXTRA ATTENTION AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WILL BE GOING.
THEN WE WILL ALSO HAVE ANOTHER GREAT SOUTHLAKE CLEANUP STAFF EVENT WITH MORE DETAILS FOR THAT PARTICULAR DATE TO COME SHORTLY.
WITH THAT, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THE ABILITY TO PRESENT TONIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M OPEN TO THAT NOW.
>> THANK YOU, MS. LOPEZ. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
IT REALLY SHOWS THE TREES LOOK GORGEOUS AS USUAL THIS YEAR.
>> ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT CITY MANAGER'S REPORT IF WE ARE TO.
>> WELL, MOVING ON TO ITEMS 4A THROUGH 4D,
[CONSENT AGENDA]
WHICH IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED THESE ITEMS AND COUNCIL, I THINK WE'RE ADDING NINE.
WAS IT B? 9B. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
>> YES. MAYOR COUNCIL, MAY THAT WE APPROVE OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 4A THROUGH 4D, NOTING AS IT RELATES TO ITEM 4D, WHICH WE'RE TABLING ZA2A3-0003 DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A SITE PLAN FOR KIRKWOOD EAST, LOCATED IN A PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 4R1 BLOCK 1, SABER GROUP CAMPUS ADDITION LOCATED AT 1,400 WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.
CURRENT ZONING IS NON-RESIDENTIAL, PUD SPEND NEIGHBORHOOD 1.
THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT THIS ITEM IN THE PUBLIC WE'RE HEARING BE TABLE TO APRIL 18TH, 2023, CITY COUNCIL MEETING, ALSO KNOWING THAT WE'RE ADDING ITEM 9B FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA AND APPROVING [NOISE].
>> WE HAVE MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND?
CONSENT AGENDA PASSES 7-0. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[5. Public Forum. (The Public Forum will not begin prior to 7:00 p.m. This is the public's opportunity to address the City Council about non-agenda items. During this proceeding, the City Council will not discuss, consider, or take action on any item presented. We respectfully ask that anyone stepping forward to speak during Public Forum to please limit remarks to three minutes or less.)]
WITHOUT MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, WHICH IS OUR PUBLIC FORUM.THE PUBLIC FORUM IS THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT NON-AGENDA ITEMS. DURING THIS PRECEDING, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOT DISCUSS, CONSIDER, OR TAKE ANY ACTION ITEM PRESENTED FOR ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK, JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU COME UP.
THERE'S SOME LIGHTS ON THE DICE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TALK WHEN THE LIGHT IS GREEN, WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS YELLOW, YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT, AND WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS RED, WE'RE DONE AND I'M PRETTY STRICT ABOUT THAT AND MAKE SURE WE KEEP THE MEETING MOVING.
AS ALWAYS, PLEASE ADDRESS COUNCIL AND NOT STAFF FOR THE AUDIENCE.
WITH THAT, WE'LL OPEN UP PUBLIC FORUM.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC FORUM? YES, SIR. COME ON DOWN.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
JUST COME ON UP TO THE MIC AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
>> TOM AND DONNA PALMER SHIMES 1735 WEEPING WILLOWWAY, SOUTHLAKE.
TWENTY YEAR RESIDENTS OF SOUTHLAKE, RAISED OUR TWO BOYS HERE, ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY.
TROOP 928 SCOUT MASTER, AND SPONSOR OF LOCAL ACTIVITIES INCLUDING ART AND THE SQUARE OF THE LAST FEW YEARS WERE ACTIVE.
FEBRUARY 7TH, THE CITY INSPECTOR CAME TO OUR HOME TO INSPECT THE WATER HEATER.
I WASN'T HOME. DAMAGE WAS DONE THAT CAUSED FLOODING IN OUR HOME.
MY WIFE WAS THERE. SHE CAN SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THE PERSON CAME.
SHE DID NOTHING OTHER THAN SHOW HIM WHERE IT WAS IN TERMS OF PULLING DOWN THE ATTIC ENTRANCE.
SHE WASN'T EVEN THERE WHEN THE ATTIC ENTRANCE OPEN.
>> SHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S UP IN THE ATTIC.
>> I JUST STUCK MY HEAD UP IN THE ATTIC. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UP THERE.
>> I CAME HOME FROM WORK THAT AFTERNOON AND MY MASTER BEDROOM WAS FLOODING.
I WENT UPSTAIRS. MY SON'S ROOM WAS FLOODING.
RIGHT ABOVE MY SON'S ROOM IS WATER HEATER WAS NOT THE ONE THAT WAS REPLACED.
>> THE HEAT WAS MELTING EVERYTHING OFF.
>> MA'AM I'M SORRY. IF YOU COULD STEP A LITTLE CLOSER TO MIC WHEN YOU'RE TALKING, SO WE MAKE SURE THAT VIDEO PICKS YOU UP.
>> I CALLED BURPEES TO GET SOMEBODY OVER THERE IMMEDIATELY.
THEY CAME AT THE SAME TIME I WAS CALLING THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
I GOT A HOLD OF THE INSPECTOR.
HE WAS NOT AWARE OF WHICH WATER HEATER WAS TALKING ABOUT.
TURNS OUT HE WASN'T EVEN AWARE HE INSPECTED THE WRONG WATER HEATER UNTIL HE CALLED THE COMPANY THAT INSTALLED IT TO TELL THEM THE WATER HEATER FAIL.
THAT COMPANY HAD TO SAY THAT'S THE WRONG WATER HEATER.
TWO WATER HEATERS IN THE ATTIC, THE ONE HE LOOKED AT IS SEVEN YEARS OLD RUSTED OUT LINE OF SIGHT TO THE NEW WATER HEATER.
MOST HOUSES IN SOUTHLAKE HAVE TWO WATER HEATERS.
I HAVE ALL THIS DAMAGE IN MY HOME.
HE SAID THIS VALVE HAS FAILED WITHIN A COUPLE OF HOURS OF THE FLOODING.
IT WAS NOT FAILED UNLESS IT BECAME A COINCIDENCE RIGHT WHEN THAT GUY WENT UP THERE.
I GOT QUOTES TO GET THE DAMAGE DONE.
I WENT WITH THE LOWEST QUOTES BECAUSE I'D CONTACTED THE CITY AND THEY TOLD ME TO SEND MY RECEIPTS.
>> WE DID ALL THE DRAWING OURSELVES. WE DIDN'T HIRE THE WATER PEOPLE.
>> WE DID IT ALL OUT OURSELVES.
I WENT THROUGH THE CITY, I TALKED TO MS. LOMA.
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SHE TOLD ME TO FILE THROUGH THE CITY.I GOT A CALL FROM SOMEBODY IN AUSTIN WHO WAS DENYING THE CLAIM.
TWO PEOPLE, MISS LOMAS AND MR. WHITE DIDN'T EVEN TALK TO THE GUY THAT DID THE JOB.
HE GOT ME IN TOUCH WITH SHARON JACKSON.
SHE CALLED ME. SHE WAS NOT AWARE OF THE SITUATION.
SHE SAID SEND ME ALL THE RECEIPTS.
A WEEK LATER I GOT A CALL FROM MS. JACKSON.
SHE SAID WE WILL PAY YOU $3,000 FOR THE DAMAGES.
SHE SAID 3,000 IS A MAX THAT MRS YOVATAN CAN APPROVE.
I SAID, HOW CAN I GET MORE? YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
I SO LET'S GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
CITY COUNCIL DENIED THAT CLAIM.
I'M CONFUSED IS HOW IT CAN GET APPROVED BY SOMEBODY THAT'S WORKED FOR THE CITY FOR 30 YEARS AND THEN THE COUNSEL DENIES IT.
IT DOESN'T HOLD UP TO THE VALUES HERE ABOUT INTEGRITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
>> THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME TO INSPECT HE LIED.
>> THE GENTLEMAN LIED ABOUT IT.
>> I DID NOT SHOW HIM THE WRONG [OVERLAPPING]
>> I APOLOGIZE IT'S BEEN THREE MINUTES.
>> WE HAVE TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF IT FINANCIALLY AS WELL AS WEEKS AND WEEKS.
>> I HAVE TO KEEP EVERYONE IN THREE MINUTE TIME.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S NOT RIGHT AND I HOPE THE RIGHT DECISION IS MADE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6B,
[6.B. Consider approval of an economic development agreement between the City of Southlake, the Southlake Parks Development Corporation and Carillon Crown, LLC. PUBLIC HEARING]
WHICH IS A CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, THE SOUTHLAKE PARKS DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND CARILLON CROWN, LLC. MRS OTAZKY.>> YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM TONIGHT IS FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AND HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPOSED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE CARILLON PARK DEVELOPMENT.
I'M GOING TO SPEND SOME TIME TONIGHT WALKING THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT THE CITY USES TO EVALUATE REQUESTS FOR PUBLIC INVESTMENT VIA A POLICY THAT IT WAS ESTABLISHED SEVERAL YEARS AGO BY THE SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL.
WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, THEN WALK THROUGH THEIR REQUEST AND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, AND THEN GO THROUGH THE AGREEMENT PROVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED TONIGHT.
FIRST, BEGINNING WITH THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT POLICY.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE CITY COUNCIL WORK TO ESTABLISH A POLICY FOR CONSIDERATION OF PUBLIC INVESTMENT THAT IDENTIFIES PUBLIC PURPOSE, GOALS FOR PUBLIC INVESTMENT, AND OBJECTIVES THAT THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER WHEN EVALUATING INCENTIVE REQUESTS.
THE POLICY ALSO ESTABLISHES REVIEW CRITERIA ACROSS FOUR CATEGORIES THOSE BEING EVALUATING THE FISCAL IMPACT, EVALUATING COMMUNITY IMPACT, THE IMPACT ON EMPLOYMENT, AND EVALUATING THE PROJECT AGAINST SOME MINIMUM PROJECT ELIGIBILITY PREFERRED STANDARD THRESHOLDS.
THE POLICY ALSO OUTLINES THE PROCESS THAT SHOULD BE UNDERTAKEN WHEN THE CITY RECEIVES REQUESTS FOR PUBLIC INVESTMENT CONSIDERATION AND YOU CAN SEE THAT PROCESS HERE ON THE SCREEN.
IT HAS BEEN USED TO GUIDE THE EVALUATION AND CONSIDERATION OF THE INCENTIVES BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
A BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT IS IN PLACE TODAY WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN DECEMBER OF 2021 AND PROVIDES FOR A PLAN FOR THIS 42 ACRES THAT'S LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD AND STATE HIGHWAY 114.
THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND INCLUDES JUST ROUGHLY 26.7 ACRES.
THE DEVELOPMENT ALSO INCLUDES A PROPOSED 8-9 ACRE PARK, ABOUT 565,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL RESTAURANT AND OFFICE SPACE AND THE COMMERCIAL PORTION ALSO PROPOSES TO INCLUDE A MULTI-LEVEL PARKING GARAGE THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
THERE'S ALSO A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT ON THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES 79 VILLAS AND THERE ARE ALSO 50 LOTS INCORPORATED INTO THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL BE COMPLETED OVER THREE PHASES.
YOU CAN SEE THE PHASING PLAN HERE ON THE SCREEN.
EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN PURPLE AS PART OF PHASE 1, AND THAT REALLY IS THE SITE DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT INCLUDES THE ROADWAYS, THE UTILITIES, EVERYTHING NEEDED TO GET THE SITE READY FOR VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION.
THE ITEMS IN YELLOW AND GREEN ARE PHASE 1A, WHICH ARE THE BUILDINGS AND THE PARK.
AND THE PARK ELEMENTS INCLUDED THE WATER FEATURE THROUGH THE BELL TOWER AND THEN THE SECONDARY BELL TOWER.
EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE HERE IN BLUE IS IN PHASE 2,
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WHICH IS THE LAST AND FINAL PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AND INCLUDES MAINLY OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO CONSTRUCT THE FULL LANE WIDTH OF WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD AS IT ABUTS THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE SURFACE ROAD TO KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD.
THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE MOBILITY PLAN PROPOSES A FULL FOUR LANE PAVEMENT STREET SECTION FROM STATE HIGHWAY 114 TO KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD AND THIS PORTION OF THE ROADWAY WILL BE BUILT OUT AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
I MENTIONED EARLIER THE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES A 8-9 ACRE PARK.
THE PARK IS PROPOSED TO INCLUDE SOME AMENITIES SUCH AS A CENTRAL FOUNTAIN AND A BELL TOWER, A SECONDARY TOWER, AND A PLAZA.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A LARGE PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT ULTIMATELY RESULTS IN PRESERVING MUCH OF THE EXISTING TREE STAND IN THE AREA.
THE DETAILED PARK DESIGNS WILL BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE RIGHT NOW IT IS JUST LOCATED ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AS THOSE PARK DESIGNS ARE DEVELOPED, THEY WILL GO FORWARD TO PARK BOARD FOR REVIEW AND WE'LL COME TO THIS BODY FOR SITE PLANNED CONSIDERATION.
I MENTIONED EARLIER THOSE FOUR CRITERIA CATEGORIES THAT THE POLICY USES AS EVALUATION TOOLS.
ONE OF THOSE IS EMPLOYMENT IMPACT.
THE DEVELOPMENT AT FULL BELT BUILD-OUT IS PROJECTED TO CREATE APPROXIMATELY 1,200 JOBS WITH AN AVERAGE ANNUAL SALARY OF JUST OVER $67,000.
THESE ARE LOCATED IN THOSE OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL MANAGERIAL SUPPORT SERVICES, GENERAL LABOR.
THE SECOND CATEGORY IS THAT COMMUNITY IMPACT CATEGORY AND WHAT THIS LOOKS AT AS FAR AS THE POLICY IS CONCERNED IS HOW WELL DOES THE ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED, HOW WELL DO THEY ALIGN WITH WHAT THE CITY HAS SAID THEY WANTED AS FAR AS WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE IN THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN THAT THE DEVELOPMENT FROM A COMMUNITY IMPACT PERSPECTIVE ALIGNS VERY WELL WITH SEVERAL ELEMENTS OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE WANT TO SEE IN THAT AREA, THINGS THAT PRIORITIZED IMPLEMENTING THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, SOME OF THE RETAIL AS PROPOSED ALIGNS WITH OUR TARGET INDUSTRIES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN.
IT'S REALLY WELL ALIGNED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT COMMUNITY IMPACT IS REALLY MORE OF A SUBJECTIVE ANALYSIS OF, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT SUPPORTS GOALS RELATED TO PREFERRED QUALITY OF LIFE BENEFITS SUCH AS THE PRESERVATION OF OPEN SPACE AND ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROJECT ENHANCEMENTS.
WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF STRUCTURED PARKING ON THE SIDE AND THE INCLUSION OF AN 8-9 ACRE PARK, IT REALLY DOES ALIGN VERY WELL WITH THE PRIORITIES THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS PLACED ON OPEN SPACE AND TREE PRESERVATION AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO DEVELOP.
THE THIRD CATEGORY IS THAT FISCAL IMPACT CATEGORIES.
WHEN WE EVALUATE A PROJECT, WE GATHER A LOT OF DATA.
THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER WORKS WITH THE APPLICANT TO GATHER THE DATA THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE FISCAL IMPACT AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE GATHER DURING THIS PROCESS, THE ESTIMATED TOTAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT BY THIS PROJECT AT FULL BUILD-OUT WILL BE APPROXIMATELY $335 MILLION.
THAT EQUATES TO AN ESTIMATED TAXABLE VALUE OF 278 MILLION.
AGAIN, THAT'S AT FULL BELT BUILD-OUT AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL REVENUE AND ONETIME REVENUE BASED ON CURRENT PROJECTIONS FOR HOW THE SITE WILL BE USED.
THEN THE FINAL ELEMENT OF THE POLICY STATEMENT FOR PUBLIC INVESTMENT IDENTIFIES SOME PREFERRED MINIMUM THRESHOLDS TO USE AS A CRITERIA TO EVALUATE THE IMPACT OF THE PROJECT.
THE POLICY YOU CAN SEE HERE ESTABLISHES THOSE PREFERRED MINIMUM THRESHOLDS.
THEY'RE DESCRIBED AS PREFERRED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED.
THEY ARE SIMPLY USED AS A WAY TO ESTABLISH HOW WELL DOES THIS PROJECT ALIGN WITH WHAT TYPE OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
YOU CAN SEE IT EXCEEDS ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE AVERAGE EDUCATIONAL LEVEL BUT IT GETS VERY CLOSE IN THAT CASE.
MOVING INTO THE SPECIFIC REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT ON AND EVALUATED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN THE PAST YEAR, UTILIZING THE PROCESS ESTABLISHED IN THE INVESTMENT POLICY, WE BEGAN BACK IN EARLY 2021 WORKING ON THIS REQUEST AS
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THE DEVELOPMENT STARTED TO COME BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.PART OF THE PROCESS THAT'S ESTABLISHED IN THE INVESTMENT POLICY, ESTABLISHES THAT CRITERIA FOR REVIEW AND THEN MAKES A RECOMMENDATION THAT ONCE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED WHAT THE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL TERMS ARE, WE WILL WORK TOWARDS ESTABLISHING THAT WITHIN A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHAT WAS CAPTURED IN THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOLLOWING SEVERAL MONTHS OF NEGOTIATION AND DELIBERATION, THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO THIS MOU WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP FOR CAROLINE PARK.
THE MOU ESTABLISHED THAT WE WOULD PARTNER WITH THE DEVELOPER ON CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, THE PUBLIC PARK, AND ALSO ESTABLISHED THAT THE CITY'S INVESTMENT WOULD BE CAPPED AT AN AMOUNT OF 13.365 MILLION.
IT ALSO IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS.
YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SLIDE THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, THE AGREEMENT THAT WE CAME TO BACK IN DECEMBER OR WITH THE DIRECTION IN DECEMBER WAS THAT THE CITY WOULD PARTICIPATE AT 60% OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF THAT PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE OR 7.73 MILLION.
EACH ITEM THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN IS KEPT AT EITHER THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OR THE PERCENTAGE AMOUNT AS A WAY TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY CAN LIMIT THEIR INVESTMENT TO THE ESTIMATES THAT WE RECEIVED DURING THE ANALYSIS PROCESS.
THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE FOR WHITE CHAPEL, THE CITY HAS AGREED TO PARTICIPATE AT 100% OF THOSE CONSTRUCTION COSTS OR 1.86 MILLION.
THEN AS IT RELATES TO THE PARK ELEMENT, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT IS ALIGNED WITH THE MOU IN THAT IT ESTABLISHES A 50, 50 COST SHARE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS RELATED TO THAT PARK OR 3.775 MILLION.
>> ALICE AND I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OR THE PERCENTAGE PARTICIPATION, IS THAT AN EITHER-OR LIKE, WHICHEVER IS LESS?
>> WHICHEVER IS LESSER. WHEN YOU'RE SHOWING US THIS PRESENTATION AND YOU'VE GOT DEVELOPER INCENTIVES FOR 13.365 MILLION.
>> THAT'S THE ABSOLUTE MAX THAT THE TAX WILL BE PARTICIPATING. GOT IT.
>> BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE SLIDE, I'M SORRY, JUST TO BE CLEAR, FOR EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPER INCENTIVES.
THAT'S NOT THE CITY WRITING A CHECK TO ANYBODY, THE DEVELOPER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THESE INCENTIVES AND THIS WHOLE PROGRAM IS BASED ON A REBATE OR ABATEMENT OF NEW SALES TAXES OR NEW PROPERTY TAXES THAT WILL BE GENERATED WHEN THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. I'LL GET INTO SOME OF THOSE DETAILS LATER ON.
THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THAT IS THE WHITE CHAPEL INVESTMENTS.
WE HAVE THAT ON OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM, SO THAT IS FUNDED THROUGH OUR CAPITAL BUDGET.
>> I SHOULD ALSO MENTION BEFORE.
>> BUT ON THAT POINT, IT'S FUNDED AFTER THEY'VE ALREADY PUT UP THE MONEY, CORRECT?
>> THEY HAVE TO OUTLAY THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, AND THEN THEY WILL BE REIMBURSED.
I SHOULD ALSO MENTION BEFORE I MOVE OFF THIS SLIDE THAT PART OF OUR POLICY ESTABLISHES THIS EXPECTATION THAT WE SHOULD PURSUE PERFORMANCE-BASED INVESTMENT WHERE POSSIBLE.
AND THAT AS PART OF THE ANALYSIS PROCESS, WE SHOULD ENGAGE IN AN ANALYSIS THAT CONDUCTS A RETURN ON INVESTMENT ANALYSIS.
THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER DOES CONDUCT THAT ANALYSIS BASED ON WHAT REVENUE WE THINK THE PROJECT WILL GENERATE AND ALSO WHAT SALES FOR [INAUDIBLE] A LOT OF THINGS THAT SHE USES AS PART OF THIS ESTIMATE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT BASED ON THE ANALYSIS FOR THIS PROJECT, FOR EVERY ONE DOLLAR THAT THE CITY INVESTS, WE CAN EXPECT TO RECEIVE $1.36 IN RETURN, SO IT'S A POSITIVE RETURN FOR THE CITY'S INVESTMENT BASED ON THE ELEMENTS USED IN THE ANALYSIS.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THAT ROI CALCULATION MORE IN A VISUAL TERM.
THIS IS MODELED ON A 10-YEAR INCENTIVE PERIOD IF THE PROJECT BUILDS OUT AS PLANNED ON A FIVE-YEAR BUILD-OUT SCHEDULE.
THIS CHART IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT THE FISCAL IMPACT COULD LOOK LIKE DURING THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT AND FOLLOWING THE AGREEMENTS EXPIRATION.
THE TIMEFRAME HERE IS MEANT TO BE SIMPLY ILLUSTRATIVE AND MAYBE DEPENDENT ON OTHER FACTORS RELATED TO PROJECT TIMING.
NOW WE'LL GET INTO SOME MORE OF THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT IS PROPOSED IN THE AGREEMENT.
I DO WANT TO STRESS THAT IT IS FULLY ALIGNED TO THE TERMS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED IN THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING.
IT IS ALIGNED WITH OUR INVESTMENT POLICY AND THAT IS EXTENSIVELY PERFORMANCE-BASED AND I HAVE SEVERAL SLIDES LATER ON IT'S GOING TO WALK THROUGH JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE AMOUNT OF
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PERFORMANCE-BASED REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THIS AGREEMENT.IT PROVIDES FOR THAT INVESTMENT INTO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALSO INTO THE PUBLIC PARK.
PART OF WHAT COUNCILMEMBER MCCASKILL MENTIONED EARLIER IS THE IDEA THAT THE ELEMENTS OF THIS AGREEMENT ARE FUNDED THROUGH REVENUE GENERATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND THE AGREEMENT INCLUDES PROVISIONS TO PROVIDE FOR A PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT, A REIMBURSEMENT TOWARDS CERTAIN COSTS FROM SALES TAXES GENERATED ON THE PROJECT, BOTH FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND FROM THE SOUTHLAKE PARKS DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
FOR THE PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT, THE APPLICANT OR THE DEVELOPER IS ELIGIBLE FOR UP TO A 40% PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT ON THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE ABATEMENT IS ELIGIBILITY PERIOD IS 10 YEARS AND IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THE FULL 40% TAX ABATEMENT, THE TAXABLE VALUE ON THE PROPERTY MUST BE AT LEAST $278 MILLION.
IF THE TAXABLE VALUE BEGINS TO FALL BELOW THAT THRESHOLD, THE AGREEMENT PROVIDES FOR A STEP-DOWN PROVISION ACROSS FOUR DIFFERENT TIERS THAT STEPS DOWN THE ABATEMENT AND IF THE VALUE FALLS BELOW $168 MILLION, THERE IS NO ABATEMENT ELIGIBILITY UNTIL THE VALUE COMES UP ABOVE THAT THRESHOLD AGAIN.
I SHOULD ALSO MENTION THE PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT AND WHAT I'M GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT NEXT RELATED TO THE GENERAL FUNDS SALES TAX, WILL BE FUNDING THE CITY'S INVESTMENT INTO THE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE.
AS IT RELATES TO THE GENERAL FUND SALES TAX, THE AGREEMENT PROVIDES FOR A REIMBURSEMENT TOWARDS THE CONSTRUCTION COST OF THOSE GARAGE.
EXPENDITURES OF REIMBURSEMENT FOR UP TO 80% OF GENERAL FUNDS, SALES TAXES GENERATED FOR FIVE YEARS RELATED TO CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES ON THE SITE AND THEN 80% OF A REIMBURSEMENT FROM SALES THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON THE SITE THROUGH BUSINESSES OPENING AND MAKING SALES AND GENERATING SALES TAXES.
THERE ARE A NUMBER, AS I MENTIONED, A PERFORMANCE PROVISIONS, BUT THERE IS ONE IN PARTICULAR RELATED TO SALES TAX PERFORMANCE.
THE DEVELOPMENT MUST GENERATE $300,000 ANNUAL MINIMUM TOTAL SALES TAX IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE SALES TAX ELEMENT OF THE AGREEMENT AS DESCRIBED.
THEY MUST ALSO BE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF THE AGREEMENT TERMS. MOVING ON TO THE SPDC SALES TAX PORTION OF THE AGREEMENT.
THE AGREEMENT PROPOSES, AGAIN, THAT COST-SHARE RELATED TO THE SALES TAXES THAT ARE GENERATED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, FROM CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE, AS WELL AS FROM SALES ON THE SIDE.
THE ELEMENTS HERE ARE THE REVENUE GENERATED FROM SPDC.
SALES TAXES HERE WILL BE ATTRIBUTED TOWARDS THE CITY SHARE OF THE PARK CONSTRUCTION COSTS, SO THAT 50, 50 SHARE THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS IS THE SOURCE OF THE CITY'S SHARE.
AGAIN, THOSE PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT I MENTIONED AS IT RELATES TO THE GENERAL FUNDS SALES TAX EXIST FOR SPDC AS WELL.
THEN THIS IS THE FINAL SUMMARY THAT SHOWS YOU THE AGREEMENT ELEMENT, THE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE, WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD, THE PUBLIC PARK, WALKS THROUGH WHAT THAT COST SHARING IS THAT I'VE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, AND THEN WHAT THE SOURCE OF THAT PUBLIC INVESTMENT IS AND HOW THOSE ELEMENTS ARE EITHER BEING PAID FOR THROUGH THAT CAPITAL BUDGET THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, OR THE SALES TAXES AND PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THE SIDE.
MOVING INTO THE PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS, THE AGREEMENT IS EXTENSIVELY PERFORMANCE-BASED AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, INCLUDES A PROVISION THAT THE DEVELOPER MUST BE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF THE TERMS AND PROVISIONS OF THE AGREEMENT IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE PAYMENTS AND ABATEMENT AS STATED IN THE AGREEMENT.
THERE'S ALSO A SECTION IN THE AGREEMENT THAT TALKS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SOME MILESTONES WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT MUST OCCUR IN ORDER FOR THAT ELIGIBILITY TO HAPPEN.
PHASE 1 AND 1A MUST BE CONSTRUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SOME DATES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE AGREEMENT.
PHASE 1A COMMERCIAL MUST BE 100% CONSTRUCTED WITH CEOS ISSUED, AND THEN THE PARK MUST BE DEDICATED AND ACCEPTED FREE OF ENCUMBRANCES BY THE CITY BEFORE BEING ELIGIBLE FOR ANY REIMBURSEMENT OR PAYMENT.
THEN THE AGREEMENT INCLUDES A NUMBER OF VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS.
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I MENTIONED EARLIER THOSE DATES, YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE WITHIN THE GOLD BAR, THEY MUST COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION ON THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025.IT MUST COMPLETE PHASE 2 BY SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2030.
THAT ESTABLISHES A FIVE-YEAR BUILD-OUT TERM FOR THIS AGREEMENT.
YOU CAN SEE THOSE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS PER PHASE, THE MINIMUM CAPITAL INVESTMENT OF 335 MILLION, THE TAXABLE VALUE, WHICH I'VE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, AND THEN IT ALSO ESTABLISHES SOME TARGETS FOR EMPLOYMENT GENERATION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR SERVICE BUSINESSES HERE IN SOUTHLAKE IS TO ENCOURAGE THE INCREASE OF DAYTIME POPULATION HERE, SO WE HAVE SOME SPECIFIC EMPLOYMENT CREATION PROVISIONS IN THE AGREEMENT THAT MUST BE MET ON A SCHEDULE.
THEN YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE, THIS IS A BIGGER PICTURE OF SOME OF THE OTHER PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS.
THE DEVELOPER MUST FRONT THE FULL COST OF THE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE, THE PUBLIC PARK AND WHITE CHAPEL BEFORE BEING REIMBURSED FOR THOSE COSTS.
THE PARK CONSTRUCTION MUST BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY.
WE HAVE THOSE DOUBLE CAPS ON ALL OF THOSE PIECES OF INVESTMENT THAT I MENTIONED.
THE AGREEMENT WILL EXPIRE IN 10 YEARS.
THERE'S A MINIMUM CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN SQUARE FOOTAGE BY PHASE, MINIMUM ANNUAL SALES TAX REVENUE, MINIMUM TAXABLE VALUE, EMPLOYMENT GENERATION BY YEAR.
THEY MUST BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR ZONING AND WITH THE BUILDING MATERIALS THEY'VE COMMITTED TO WITHIN THAT ZONING.
THEN THE FINAL PIECE OF THIS IS NUMBER 15 THAT YOU SEE HERE, THE AGREEMENT ESTABLISHES A SHARE OF THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE PUBLIC PARK.
AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT, THE CITY HAS AGREED TO ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR 100% OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PARK, WHICH WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE WATER FEATURE, THE KIOSKS AND THE TWO TOWERS, WHICH WILL BE 100% RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER.
SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE INCLUDED RELATED TO THE WATER FEATURE OPERATION IN THE AGREEMENT.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE THIRD-PARTY MAINTENANCE AND DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THAT TO US ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
THE FEATURE MUST BE OPERATIONAL CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF TIME DURING BUSINESS HOURS.
WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO IN AND REPAIR AND THEN INVOICE THE PROPERTY OWNER IF WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE REPAIRS.
THEN FAILURE TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THIS ELEMENT IS CONSIDERED A DEFAULT OF THE AGREEMENT.
THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT IN THIS PROJECT ALIGNS WITH THE POLICY GOALS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE CITY'S PUBLIC INVESTMENT POLICY.
WE HAVE UTILIZED THAT PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION HAS BEEN ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS.
THEY REVIEWED THE REQUEST AND PROVIDED COMMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THEN EARLIER THIS EVENING, THE SOUTHLAKE PARKS DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION REVIEWED THE AGREEMENT AND APPROVED THE ELEMENT RELATED TO THE SPDC SALES TAX SO THEY HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS AND THEN, OF COURSE, OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DRAFTED THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IN THE PACKET.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
>> GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, ALLISON. IT WAS VERY THOROUGH.
COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ALLISON AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. STAY CLOSE.
I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME FOR YOU.
YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION? COME ON UP, SIR. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> JOHN CHARLES 1710 HUNTER'S CREEK, SOUTHLAKE.
THAT WAS AN INCREDIBLY GOOD AND THOROUGH PRESENTATION.
I DO WANT TO JUST THANK ALLISON AND SHARON FOR THEIR INCREDIBLE WORK.
THIS CITY CONTINUES TO HAVE SOME OF THE BEST STAFF ON THE PLANET.
WHILE NOT EASY AS IT SHOULD BE, WE MADE IT TO HERE.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> WELL, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE WE'VE TALKED.
HOW ARE THINGS LOOKING, WHAT'S THE PROCESS, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STAGES THAT WE SAW? THE PLANS FOR GROUNDBREAKING.
COULD YOU JUST GIVE US AN UPDATE ON CAN WE [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, WE ARE INCREDIBLY EXCITED TO BE AT THIS POINT.
IT'S FOR ME BEEN MANY YEARS WORKING ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND THERE'S A MISSION AND I THINK WE'RE TO THE POINT RIGHT NOW WHERE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED MAY 4TH AS AN ACTUAL GROUNDBREAKING FOR THIS AND NOTHING THRILLS ME MORE THAN TO ACTUALLY HAVE A DATE FOR GROUNDBREAKING.
WE ARE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY ON COORDINATING THAT AGENDA.
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IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST A SMALL EVENT, IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG EVENT.YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN A LOT OF THE PRESS THAT'S COME OUT RECENTLY.
WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF NOTORIETY, AND I JUST WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT THIS VISION IS TO COMPLETE THIS ENTIRE PROJECT.
THIS VISION IS NOT ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL.
WE WOULDN'T BE HERE ON THE INCENTIVES IF IT WASN'T FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
THE COMMERCIAL IS THE BIG PART OF THIS.
IT IS THE HOMERUN AND WE'RE EXCITED TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE'VE ALREADY MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS AND HAVING VERY INTIMATE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CHEF DRIVEN RESTAURANTS, THE HOTELS, THE OFFICE BUILDING FOLKS, AND SO WE'RE EXCITED THAT AS SOON AS WE GET ON GROUNDBREAKING, OUR INTENT IS TO ACTUALLY COME BACK WITH THE PLANNING ON THE COMMERCIAL PORTION WITHIN ABOUT 45-60 DAYS AFTER THE GROUNDBREAKING.
>> WE'RE THAT CLOSE. WE'RE INCREDIBLY EXCITED.
WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL, THE PLANNING ZONING STAFF HAS DONE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND I HAVE TO TIP MY HAT ALSO ONCE AGAIN TOO ALL THE CARILLON RESIDENTS AND THE REST OF THE CITY CITIZENS WHO HAD BEEN INCREDIBLY SUPPORTIVE THROUGH YEARS AND CALLING ME ON A REGULAR BASIS, WAITING FOR THIS PROJECT TO ACTUALLY START.
I WANT TO ALSO TIP MY HAT AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS WHO OWN AND ARE TAKING THIS FORWARD.
THEY HAVE A COMMITMENT, IT'S A PERSONAL COMMITMENT AND THEY ARE SOUTHLAKE AND WESTLAKE RESIDENTS.
WE'RE SO EXCITED AND THRILLED TO HAVE THEM ON BOARD AND AS PARTNERS, THEY HAVE THE SAME PASSION FOR THE CITY.
THE SAME DEDICATION TO MAKING SURE THAT THIS BECOMES ONE OF THE PRIMARY JOULES IN THE CITY.
THANK YOU. AGAIN, I'M WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> ABSOLUTELY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CHARLES? WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> I APPRECIATE IT. ALLISON, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
PROBABLY HAS SOME MORE, BUT WE JUST DESCRIBED THE MOU PROCESS.
I KNOW WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
YOU DO THIS ALL THE TIME BUT FOR THE PUBLIC CONSUMPTION ESPECIALLY, WHEN WE FIRST START DOWN THE ROAD OF ECONOMIC INCENTIVES, THE FIRST THING YOU GUYS DRAFT IS A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING RELATED TO THE BROAD TERMS OF A POTENTIALLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
COULD YOU JUST DESCRIBE THAT AND TELL US HOW THIS MARRIES UP WITH THAT MOU, HOW THE ED AGREEMENT DOES?
>> WE USE MOUS BECAUSE IT CAN TAKE A VERY LONG TIME TO DRAFT FINAL AGREEMENTS.
WE USE THAT AS A WAY TO ESTABLISH VERY QUICKLY FOLLOWING GETTING DIRECTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, WHAT BASIC PROVISIONS WE HAVE AGREED TO AND WE WANT TO ESTABLISH AND ENSURE ARE CAPTURED IN THE FINAL AGREEMENT, WHICH AS I MENTIONED, CAN TAKE QUITE SOME TIME TO DRAFT AND NEGOTIATE.
THE PROCESS THAT IS ESTABLISHED IN THE POLICY ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATES THE USE OF MOUS IN THIS WAY, AND WE DO USE THEM EXTENSIVELY WITH AGREEMENTS THAT COME FORWARD.
THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU SEE TONIGHT IS 100% IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE MOU THAT WAS AGREED TO LATE LAST YEAR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ALLISON, COUNCIL? THANK YOU.
ITEM 6B IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THAT PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE CROWD WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 6B. NOBODY? LET'S GO. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS PROJECT A LOT.
WE HAVE NEGOTIATED AN MOU AND STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER HAVE DONE A REALLY THOROUGH WORK ON MAKING SURE THAT THIS DEVELOPER AGREEMENT IS MARRIED UP WITH THAT MOU.
ANY QUESTIONS OR FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>> I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT MAYOR.
I WAS ABLE TO VOTE IN SUPPORT OF THIS EARLIER THIS EVENING ON THE SPDC PORTION OF IT AND I'LL SHOW THE SAME COMMENTS.
I'VE LOOKED FOR 18 YEARS THAT PIECE OF LAND LOOK THE SAME FOR 18 YEARS ON THAT CORNER.
FOR THE 10 YEARS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, IT'S LOOKED THE SAME AND HAS BROUGHT VERY LITTLE REVENUE TO THE CITY.
MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO DEVELOP IT, THEY'VE TRIED TO GET IT OFF THE GROUND, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT THE BEST SHOT AT IT HERE AND ANYTIME I LOOK AT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IF IT'S IN ESSENCE SELF-FUNDED, WHICH THIS ONE IS, IT'S TAX DOLLARS BROUGHT IN AS A RESULT OF DEVELOPING AND THEN IT'S PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT AS A RESULT OF THE PROPERTY TAX VALUES SKYROCKETING, TO ME IT'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SO I'LL BE VOTING IN SUPPORT OF IT.
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I ALSO SIT ON SPDC, SO I VOTED IN FAVOR EARLIER THIS EVENING.
THIS WAS A LONG AND LENGTHY PROCESS AND AS A FAIRLY NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, REALLY FASCINATING TO WATCH BOTH DEVELOPER AND THE CITY STAFF AND ALONG WITH US AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, GIVING INPUT AND DIRECTION AND FEEDBACK AND MANY EXECUTIVE SESSIONS TALKING ABOUT THIS.
I'M EXCITED ALSO AS COUNCILMAN WILLIAMSON SAID, TO SEE THIS COME AND HAPPEN AND AGAIN, THE SELF-FUNDED PORTION WAS HUGE FOR US.
THE NUMBER 1 THING WE DO UP HERE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS WISELY.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT OFF SHARING JACKSON'S ANALYSIS ON HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO GET BACK FOR EVERY DOLLAR WE SPEND, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE BACK X NUMBER OF DOLLARS IN THOSE VISUAL CHART THAT SHOW YOU OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, WHAT IT WILL MEAN IN REVENUE DOLLARS TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
I'M REALLY EXCITED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL THAT COMMERCIAL PIECE THAT DEVELOPER HAS SPOKEN ABOUT REALLY COMES IN, ADDS A CROWN JEWEL TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
I'M EXCITED FOR MAY 4TH GROUNDBREAKING AND I ALSO WILL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS THIS EVENING.
>> I GUESS I'M NEXT. [NOISE] EXCUSE ME.
I ALSO VOTED FOR THIS TODAY IN SPDC.
I'M GETTING MY ACRONYMS INCORRECT.
IT'S JUST EXCITING TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT ON THIS.
I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR 18 YEARS, ONLY BEEN HERE 10, BUT IT FEELS LIKE I'VE BEEN VOTING ON THIS FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
I'VE CERTAINLY BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM AND I KNOW MYSELF LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE JUST EAGER TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT.
I THINK FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WATCHING OR WHO WILL WATCH OR WHO WILL HEAR THE CONJECTURE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, WHATEVER, I THINK PEOPLE MORE OR LESS TRUST THAT WE DO THE RIGHT THINGS THE RIGHT WAY ON COUNCIL.
THIS IS SOUTHLAKE AND I LOVED WHAT THE DEVELOPER SAID ABOUT THE RETAIL, THE COMMERCIAL, AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR UP HERE AS WELL.
I'M JUST EXCITED FOR YOU TO PUT A TIMELINE ON IT TO HEAR ABOUT SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND HOPEFULLY MAY AND GROUNDBREAKING, BUT I HOPE THERE'S A STEADY PROGRESSION THEREAFTER AS WELL.
>> I THINK IT'S JUST A GOOD BUSINESS DEAL FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
WE'VE GONE OVER ALL THE NUMBERS AND THEY SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, DELIVERING THAT PROMISE THAT THE RESIDENTS AND I SEE SOME OF YOU HERE TONIGHT THAT HAVE MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVE BEEN WAITING AND WAITING FOR THE FINAL PIECES OF THE PUZZLE WILL COME THROUGH AND I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE THAT CLOSE TO MAKING IT HAPPEN SO CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF YOU AND I LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
>> I'VE PROBABLY SPENT MORE TIME ON THIS ISSUE OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS THAN ANY OTHER ISSUE IN MY LIFE COUNCIL.
[LAUGHTER] I VOTE NO THE FIRST TIME AROUND, I VOTED YES THE SECOND TIME AROUND FOR THIS.
IT'S CAUSED ME A LOT OF HEARTBURN HERE AND THERE WITH DIFFERENT PIECES AND I'VE TALKED TO LOTS OF CARILLON RESIDENTS ABOUT THINGS AND PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
YOU BASICALLY ANSWERED THE ONLY QUESTION I REALLY HAD TONIGHT WAS EVERYONE'S BIGGEST FEAR WAS 78 HOMES AND NO COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS WHAT THE FOLKS AT CARILLON FACED FOR THE LAST 18 YEARS OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND I LOVE HEARING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 45 DAY OUT PLAT AND EVEN IF IT'S NOT 45, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT PIECE, THERE'S NEVER BEEN A QUESTION ABOUT THE BRILLIANCE OF THE PROJECT, I DON'T THINK.
I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS THE PROJECT, WE JUST WANT THE FULL PROJECT AND I'M EXCITED TO HEAR THAT PEACE AND LOVE GOING FORWARD AND I HAVE EVERY INTENTION TO VOTING YES FOR THIS.
>> WELL, THAT DOESN'T LEAVE ME WITH MUCH LEFT TO SAY EXCEPT HAVING LIVED FOR ALMOST 27 YEARS, DRIVEN BY THAT PROPERTY FOR 17 OF THOSE 27 YEARS.
WHILE I LOVE LONG HORNS IN ANIMALS, I'M SUPER THRILLED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE GONE SOON, AND THAT WHAT'S COMING IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY INCREDIBLE AND PRETTY GREAT FOR OUR CITY.
IN LISTENING TO ALL OF YOU AND THINKING ABOUT IT, I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY COOL FOR ME IS THAT NOW WHEN PEOPLE SOMETIMES RANDOMLY, SOMETIMES ON PURPOSE SAY, IS THAT CARILLON THING EVER GOING TO GET BUILT? I CAN SAY YES, AND IT FEELS REALLY GOOD TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT CONFIDENTLY.
THE [INAUDIBLE] HAVE BEEN LONG-TIME RESIDENTS OF SOUTHLAKE, YOU CARE ABOUT SOUTHLAKE, FORMER MAYOR, YOU'RE COMMITTED TO SOUTHLAKE AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THIS WILL BECOME BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT FOR SOUTHLAKE SO CONGRATULATIONS, AND OF COURSE I'LL BE VOTING FOR IT.
>> QUITE A BIRTHDAY PRESENT TO YOU COUNCILMAN TALLEY.
NOW THIS IS REALLY SPECIAL, AGAIN, HARD TO FOLLOW YOU SIX, BUT IT FEELS DIFFERENT.
WE'VE VOTED ON CARILLON A NUMBER OF TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL AND SINCE I'VE BEEN MAYOR BUT TONIGHT FEELS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
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TONIGHT FEELS LIKE A FINISH LINE.TONIGHT FEELS LIKE A START OF SOMETHING REALLY COOL.
I WANT TO THANK JOHN AND HIS DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS AND THE RESIDENTS OF CARILLON FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS WE SORT THROUGH SOME OF THESE TOUGH ISSUES, AND FOR YOUR INCREDIBLE STEADFASTNESS WITH THIS PROJECT.
I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE AMAZING.
WE'RE EXCITED TO INVEST IN IT.
I THINK YOU'RE HEARING THAT FROM COUNCIL AND THIS INVESTMENT IS A WEIGHTY THING.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE PLEDGING A REBATE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO A PROJECT AND FOR US TO DO THAT, IT'S GOT TO BE ONE WE BELIEVE IN AND WE CERTAINLY DO, AND WE'RE EXCITED FOR YOU GUYS AND WE CAN'T WAIT TO JOIN YOU ON MAY 4TH.
IT'S GOING TO BE SUPER FUN. COUNCIL, IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, I WOULD BE GLAD TO TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.
>> MAYOR COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6B, WHICH IS AN APPROVAL OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, SOUTHLAKE PARKS DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IN CARILLON CROWN LLC, NOTING THAT THE AGREEMENT TERMS AND PROPERTY MEET THE APPLICABLE GUIDELINES AND CRITERIA GOVERNING TAX ABATEMENT AGREEMENTS.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND?
CONGRATULATIONS. ITEM 6B PASSES 7-0.
WITH THAT, WE'LL CALL UP ITEM 6C,
[6.C. Approve a Commercial Developer Agreement (CDA) with Carillon Crown, LLC for the White Chapel Boulevard Improvements in an amount equal to the lesser of 100 percent of actual construction costs or $1,860,000.]
WHICH IS APPROVAL OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WITH CARILLON CROWN, LLC FOR THE WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD IMPROVEMENTS AND AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE LESSER OF 100% OF ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF $1.86 MILLION.>> GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
THIS ITEM DOVETAILS INTO THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION.
THAT'S REALLY PERFORMANCE ITEM, I BELIEVE NUMBER 10.
THIS IS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, AS YOU CAN SEE BEFORE YOU, ITEM 6C IN THE REQUESTED ACTION REALLY IS RESPECTIVELY REQUEST THE APPROVAL OF THE CDA WITH CARILLON CROWN, LLC FOR THE NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD IMPROVEMENTS AND AGAIN, IT'S AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE LESSER OF 100% OF ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS OR $1,860,000, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE SECTION OF ROAD HERE IN A SECOND.
PRESENTLY PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TOP OF THE SLIDE IS TO THE NORTH.
KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD IS THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY.
THE SECTION OF WHITE CHAPEL THAT THE DEVELOPERS REQUIRED TO WIDEN IS THAT SECTION RIGHT THERE THAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN LETTERS, IT SAYS NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD.
PER THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, THEIR CONSULTANT HAVE SAID THAT BASED ON THE PROJECTED IMPACT OF TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE SITE, THE ROADWAY WOULD NEED TO BE WIDENED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S MASTER MOBILITY PLAN.
THE SECTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO REIMBURSE THE CONTRACTOR FOR IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE WIDENED.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT'S ON OUR MASTER MOBILITY PLAN, IS PROJECT MT9 AND THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS WIDENED BASED ON WHAT THE CONTRACTOR CAN DO UNDERNEATH THE DEVELOPERS CONTRACTOR, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS THE MOST EXPEDITIOUS WAY TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE AND TO BE THE MOST ECONOMICAL WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING IT.
YOU SAW THIS SLIDE PREVIOUSLY.
THIS IS LIKE A DISSECTION BETWEEN STATE HIGHWAY 114, WHICH IS IN GREEN UPWARD TO KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD TO THE NORTH.
AGAIN, THIS IS A SECTION OF WHAT YOU'LL SEE AT THE FINAL DISPOSITION OF THE ROADWAY.
THE TOP GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE IS STATE HIGHWAY 114.
AS YOU CONTINUE TO THE RIGHT, YOU'LL HIT THE MATCH LINE AND THEN I'LL CONTINUE OVER TO KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD, AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE FINAL DISPOSITION AND THIS IS REQUIRED TO BE BUILT OUT AND ACCEPTED PRIOR TO ANY PERMITS BEING RELEASED FOR RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION.
THIS ITEM WILL BE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
YOU WILL SEE THAT ONCE WE SUBMIT THE BUDGET LATER THIS FALL AND THIS ITEM LINKS WITH THE STRATEGY MAP AS YOU SEE BEFORE YOU.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU, GEORGE COHEN. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, THIS MAY BE A FUTURE CONSTRUCTION PIECE OR ROAD CONSTRUCTION PIECE WHERE IT ENDS AT KIRKWOOD.
WHAT IS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? IS THERE A FUTURE ROUNDABOUT THERE OR IS IT JUST TWO LANES SCUTCHING INTO ONE?
>> YES, MA'AM. IT'LL BASICALLY TRANSITION BACK FROM A FOUR-LINE DIVIDED BACK TO TWO LANES EACH WAY.
THEN ONCE KIRKWOOD DEVELOPS ON THE OTHER SIDE, SOME OF OUR CONSULTANTS ASSESSMENTS SO THAT WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT TO HAVE POSSIBLY A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE.
>> MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU, SIR.
>> ANY THE APPLICANT LEFT? THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS SIDE NOW? SEEING NONE, COUNSELORS IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
>> YES. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THE WAY YOU APPROVE ITEM 6C, APPROVING YOUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WITH CARILLON CROWN, LLC FOR THE WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD IMPROVEMENTS AND AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE LESSER OF 100% OF ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR $1,860,000.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> ITEM 60 PASSES SEVEN TO ZERO.
THAT'LL CALL ITEM 7A WHICH IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-799 020-3005,
[7.A. Ordinance No. 480-799 (ZA23-0005), 1 st Reading, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Green Acres Nursery located on a property described as Tract 3D, W.R. Eaves Survey Abstract No. 500, Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 1963 W. Southlake Blvd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "C-2" General Commercial District. Requested Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #10. (If approved, the Public Hearing will be held at the April 18, 2023, City Council meeting.)]
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FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN FOR GREEN ACRES NURSERY. DIRECTOR KILO.>> THANK YOU. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1963 WEST SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.
IT'S CURRENTLY A NON-CONFORMING TREE FARM KNOWN AS GREEN OAK TREE FARM.
PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 13 ACRES.
THIS IS AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.
THE REQUESTED ZONING BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR SP1, DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT FOR A NURSERY AND GARDEN CENTER.
THIS IS A BLOWN-UP VIEW OF THAT AERIAL.
IT IS ADJACENT TO PLAYER CIRCLE ON THE WEST AND SOME UNDEVELOPED PARTIALLY OFFICE OWN PROPERTY TO THE EAST, ALONG WITH SOME CONNECTIVITY TO THE WALGREENS PHARMACY JUST TO THE EAST OF IT.
THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE OF WEST SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD AND UNDER THE LAND-USE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY, THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED FOR RETAIL COMMERCIAL LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT.
IT DOES IDENTIFY ADDRESSING PROPERTIES IN OUR ECONOMIC INCENTIVE PLANS, AND THIS FOCUSES ON ONE OF THE NICHE USES THAT IS IDENTIFIED AND THAT THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE 13 ACRES IS C2, RETAIL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THE THE ZONING BEING PROPOSED FOR THIS AS SP1, TO RETAIN THE CURRENT C2 USES AND REGULATIONS WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS WHICH I WILL IDENTIFY IN AN UPCOMING SLIDE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
IT CONTAINS ROUGHLY 31,000 SQUARE FEET OF ENCLOSED BUILDING, WHICH ROUGHLY 26,000 OF THAT IS INDOOR RETAIL SPACE FOR THE GARDEN CENTER, AND THEN ROUGHLY 121 SQUARE FEET AND OUTDOOR NURSERY AREA.
THERE'S ABOUT 5,000 SQUARE FEET FOR WAREHOUSE AND OFFICE MAINTENANCE USE ON THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS A LITTLE CLOSER VIEW OF THAT INSIGHT DATA SUMMARY TO THE RIGHT.
THE AREA OUTLINED IN RED IS ENCLOSED SPACE.
THE GREEN AREA IS OPEN AIR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
THEY WILL BE PROPOSING A TURN LANE FOR TRAFFIC ENTERING THE MAIN DRIVE, AND AS NOTED ON THIS EXHIBIT, THERE'S CONNECTIVITY PROPOSED WITH THE COMMON ACCESS EASEMENT THAT JOIN PLAYER CIRCLE AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO PLAYER CIRCLE DRIVE.
THERE'S ALSO A COMMON ACCESS BACK TO THE RETAIL STORE TO THE EAST THAT HAS ACCESS BACK TO PEYTONVILLE AVENUE, AND THERE IS PLANNED ACCESS WITH THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS TO THE SOUTHERN AND WEST EAST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH HAVE NOT YET BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
UNDER THE SP1 ZONING, AS MENTIONED, INTEND TO RETAIN ALL C2 USES AND ADD THE GARDEN CENTER, PLANT NURSERY, AS WELL AS ALL THE ASSOCIATED OUTDOOR CELLS AND DISPLAY AREA THAT WOULD BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, [NOISE] AND NOTING THE OPEN-AIR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ALSO NOTED ON-SITE PLAN AND ALLOW FOR CULTIVATION APPLIANCE ON THE PROPERTY.
UNDER REGULATIONS THEY WILL FOLLOW C2 DISTRICT REGULATIONS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF INCREASING BUILDING HEIGHT FROM 35 FEET TO
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36 FEET AS MEASURED UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND NOTING THE OVERALL HEIGHT, NO PART OF THE BUILDING WOULD EXCEED 45 FEET, BUT THIS WOULD BE TO A PEAK OR RIDGE OF ONE OF THE ROOF LINES ON THEIR BUILDING.I'M ALSO ALLOWING UP TO 85% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON THE PROPERTY, AND THEN AS PART OF THE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN, PRESERVING 37% OF WHAT EXISTING TREE GROWTH THERE'S ON THE PROPERTY TODAY WHERE A MINIMUM OF 40 IS REQUIRED AS A UNDER A TYPICAL ZONING CATEGORY.
THIS IS SP1, SO YOU CAN WEIGH CRITERIA OF THAT TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE AND YOUR CONSIDERATION OF WHAT'S BEING PRESERVED.
THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND TREE CONSERVATION PLAN.
ONCE AGAIN, NOTING UNDER A STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT, BASED ON THE EXISTING TREE COVER ON PROPERTY, 40% MINIMUM OF THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE REQUIRED TO BE PRESERVED AND THEY'RE PRESERVING 37% OF THAT.
THESE ARE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING.
THIS WOULD BE FACING THEIR MAIN PARKING AREA AND TOWARDS THE PLAYER CIRCLE DEVELOPMENT, AND THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION.
THIS WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD FRONTAGE.
IN THE EAST ELEVATION AND SOUTH ELEVATION.
THESE ARE SOME RENDERINGS OF THE BUILDING.
DENNIS, HOW WAS THAT ORIENTED?
>> I ASSUME THAT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS FACING 1709.
>> YES. THE UPPER RENDERING IDENTIFIED NUMBER 1, THIS WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, FACING TOWARDS THE MAIN PARKING AREA AND PLAYERS CIRCLE.
THIS WOULD BE THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING TOWARDS SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.
>> GOT YOU. [OVERLAPPING] DID THEY DO THAT IN RESPONSE TO P&Z'S REQUEST TO MOVE THE PARKING AWAY FROM 1709?
>> THEY DID ADDRESS AN OPTION PLAN WHICH IS IN THE PRESENTATION [OVERLAPPING] THAT REMOVE SOME PARKING WHERE P&Z HAD SUGGESTED, BUT YES, AS THIS HAS EVOLVED, I THINK A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED ON THE SITE PRIOR TO MAKING APPLICATION THEN TO TRY TO LIMIT AS MUCH PARKING AS POSSIBLE ON STUFF LIKE BOULEVARD.
>> ONCE AGAIN, WEST FACADE AND PERSPECTIVE FROM SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.
THE GRADING PLAN, UTILITY PLAN, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR APPROVAL, NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO CONSIDER RENDERINGS TO THE CITY COUNCIL SHOWING BERMS ON SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD AND AN OPTION OF REDUCING PARKING AND MOVING SOME OF THAT BACK OFF OF SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.
NOTING THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL, THAT IT'S SPLIT BETWEEN A RETAIL AND A MEDIUM-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY.
THE COMMISSION INCLUDED FINDING THAT THE SITE, GIVEN IT HAS RETAIL COMMERCIAL ON THE NORTH END, MEDIUM DENSITY ON THE SOUTHERN END, THAT THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN, GIVEN THAT THE ENTIRE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONE C-2 GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED ZONING AS IT IS BEING PRESENTED ALIGNS ITSELF WITH SOME OF THE ELEMENTS, INCLUDING OPEN SPACE OF THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
GIVEN THAT THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS PRIMARILY DESIGNATED FOR CULTIVATION OF PLANTS, STORAGE OF MATERIALS RELATED TO THE LANDSCAPE AND SUPPLIES, AS WELL AS SOME OF THAT BEING ALLOCATED FOR OPEN SPACE.
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FOLLOWING P&Z'S RECOMMENDATION, WE RECEIVED TODAY AN OPTION TO CONSIDER AS FAR AS ELIMINATION OF SOME OF THE PARKING IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER IS THE ORIGINAL PLAN PRESENTED TO P&Z THAT HAD 14 SPACES ON THIS NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.THEY'VE REMOVED THIS TEAR OF SPACES AND THIS NEW EXHIBIT.
THEY HAVE ALSO INCLUDED A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND A RENDERING OF SOME BERMING AND LANDSCAPING IN THIS AREA TO FURTHER CONCEAL VIEW OF THAT PARKING FIELD.
THIS IS A RENDERING FROM SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD WITH THE BERM AND FAIRLY MATURE PLANT MATERIAL ALONG THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE LOOKING SOUTH EASTERLY.
WE'VE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES TODAY ON THIS ITEM.
WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR REFER TO ANY OTHER SLIDES YOU'D LIKE.
>> THANK YOU, GEORGE. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME?
>> ONE QUICK QUESTION. DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO JOIN THE PARKING LOT WITH WALGREENS?
>> THEY HAVE COMMON ACCESS CONNECTIVITY.
THERE'S A COMMON DRIVE SHARED BETWEEN, SO THERE'S VEHICULAR ACCESS BETWEEN THE TWO SITES? YES.
>> GREAT. THANK YOU, SIR. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON NOW, YOU'RE UP.
MAYBE IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE?
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
ADDRESS IS 6161 PARKWAY IN FRISCO.
I'M WITH CUMUL HORN AND I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THIS PROJECT.
>> GOOD EVENING ALSO. MIC GRANTLAND WITH O'BRIEN ARCHITECTS, 122 READ STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, AND [OVERLAPPING] ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT.
>> DENNIS GAVE A GREAT OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
YOU GUYS HAVE A PRESENTATION OR YOU HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO ADD?
>> I THINK THE ONLY THING WE HAD TO HAVE IS, AND AS DENNIS SHOWED, WE DID LISTEN TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM P&Z TO FURTHER MOVE PARKING FURTHER AWAY FROM SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD AND TO GET THE SITE TO PARK AT EXACTLY THE CITY-REQUIRED PARKING.
THUS, WE REMOVED THE 14 SPACES THAT HE INDICATED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE OF A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THERE, AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE A BERM TO BLOCK THE VIEW OF THAT PARKING FROM SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD AS WELL.
>> IS IT OVERPARKED IN YOU ALL'S OPINION?
WE'RE PARKED RIGHT AT THE CITY-REQUIRED CODE, AND THEN BASED OFF SITES THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAD EXISTING IN CALIFORNIA, THIS IS PARKED FOR WHAT THE NEED WILL BE DURING THE PEAK.
>> DO YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHERE IT IS THEN?
>> COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I MEAN, THE FIRST READING, IT'S LOOKING PRETTY GOOD THOUGH.
THANK YOU FOR BEING RESPONSIVE TO P&Z'S QUESTIONS.
THOSE OF YOU ON CORRIDOR COMMITTEE, DID YOU GUYS HEAR THIS ON CORRIDOR? HOW DID IT GO?
>> I WAS IMMEDIATELY STRUCK AND I LOOKED AT THE NOTES JUST TO CONFIRM.
I REMEMBER WE DID TALK ABOUT BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THEY HAD A LOT OF PARKING IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND IT WAS BASICALLY CONCRETE ON CONCRETE.
WE HAD ACTUALLY COMMENTED ON THAT AS WELL, JUST MAKING IT LOOK NICER.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH CORRIDOR COMMITTEE PERSON ASKED [INAUDIBLE] ME, I DON'T KNOW.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT PROVIDING SOME TURN LANE BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD LURCH. YOU'VE DONE THAT.
I THINK THOSE ARE MATURE PLANTS, I THINK THEY'LL HAVE TO GROW.
BUT ONCE PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW IT'S THERE.
WE HAD A TREE FARM THERE FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, MANY YEARS.
WE'RE USED TO SEEING GREENERY THERE.
>> BUT I LIKE THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU'VE MADE AND YOU'VE LISTENED TO SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> I ALSO SIT ON CORRIDOR AND I DO REMEMBER THE PARKING CONVERSATION ABOUT PARKING LIKE RIGHT UP TO 1709.
HOWEVER, NOW THAT I'M SEEING THIS, I'M NOT SURE I WANTED TO LOOK AT THE SIDE OF A BUILDING AND HAVE ALL THE PARKING FACE PLAYERS CIRCLE.
I THINK WHAT I ENVISIONED WAS, BECAUSE THE BUILDING'S PRETTY, I MEAN, THEY'VE DONE A REALLY NICE JOB WITH IT.
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>> IT'S A GOOD LOOKING BUILDING.
>> YEAH. I THINK WHAT I ENVISIONED WAS JUST NOT JUST A STARK PARKING LOT, MAYBE A LANDSCAPED PARKING LOT AND MAYBE DIFFERENT PARKING WITH FRONT AND SIDE, WITH A PRETTY BUILDING FACING THE FRONT.
RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, WE HAVE WALGREENS RIGHT THERE WITH PARKING.
WE HAVE HOBBY LOBBY WITH A GIGANTIC PARKING LOT.
I STRUGGLE WITH IT A LITTLE BIT NOW, PUTTING THE BUILDING FACING SIDEWAYS, BUT THAT'S JUST MY INITIAL.
>> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL USE OF THAT SPOT BECAUSE I GO TO THE GRADUATE COFFEE A LOT, AND I ALWAYS WONDER WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
I GUESS I VIEW THAT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH THE LARGE RETAIL DEVELOPMENTS, OFTEN THE NICEST PART ISN'T JUST "THE FRONT", IT'S WHERE YOU WALK UP.
FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I THINK ABOUT CABELA'S OR BASS PRO SHOPS.
OFTEN IT WILL LOOK AS IF YOU'RE WALKING UP TO THE FRONT AND MAYBE YOU'RE WALKING UP TO THE SIDE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. KUDOS TO BRINGING THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S ELABORATE IN THAT SPOT, BECAUSE IT'S JUST LOOKING PRETTY VACANT FOR YEARS.
>> I TEND TO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN LEPP ON THIS AND I THINK YOU HIT ON IT TOO WITH YOUR FIRST QUESTION WAS, WHICH PIECE FACES 1709? THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING TO ME IS REALLY ATTRACTIVE.
I'M NOT AS BIG A FAN OF THE SIDE FACING 1709 AND STARING AT THAT HUGE ROOF AS YOU GO DOWN.
YOU'RE REALLY TO ME, HIDING THE PRETTIEST PART OF THE BUILDING BY FACING THE BACK OF THE PLAYERS CIRCLED DEVELOPMENT.
I GET THAT, THAT'S WHERE YOUR PARKING IS, BUT I REALLY LIKE THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING.
I THINK IT'S REALLY ATTRACTIVE AND I LOVE SEEING THIS HERE.
THE PARKING ON 1709, I GET THAT TOO.
I THINK YOU DID AN AMAZING JOB PULLING THAT OFF THERE.
DEPENDING ON OUR EXPENSE AND STUFF, MAYBE TOO AMAZING [LAUGHTER] FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE BUILDING TURN SO THAT YOU DON'T SEE THE HUGE ROOF AND SEE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AND SO THE SIDE, THAT'S JUST ME.
>> DO YOU HAVE A RENDERING OF THE NORTH FACADE? A CLEANER PICTURE? THAT'S NOT UGLY.
>> BECAUSE CLEARLY, YOU WERE RESPONSIVE TO QUARTER COMMITTEE INTO P&Z, WHICH IS WHY THE BUILDING IS ORIENTED THIS WAY.
TALK TO US ABOUT YOUR THINKING.
WHAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE? APPARENTLY, IT WASN'T A DEAL BREAKER TO ORIENT THE BUILDING TO THE SIDE. JUST TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT.
>> WELL, FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE, IT'S NOT IDEAL TO HAVE YOUR BUILDING FACING THE SIDE AND THE PARKING.
IT'S BETTER TO FACE THE FRONT BIT.
IF YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE SPIN MEETINGS AND ALL OF THAT, THE CONSENSUS WAS THAT THIS WAS MOST SATISFACTORY TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
IN THE END, THE RETAILER WAS OKAY WITH THIS ORIENTATION.
WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS ON THIS FACADE FACING THE SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD, YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN THERE, WHEN THE ROAD COMES IN, YOU'RE LOOKING STRAIGHT OUT AT ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT THAT SAYS GREEN ACRES ON IT.
IF YOU GO BACK TO SOME OF THE RENDERINGS, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN TIME, THEY'LL BE SOME TREES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD COMING IN THAT WILL GROW AND PROVIDE SOME SOFTENING OF THE VIEW LOOKING IN BUT WHEN YOU COME IN IS THE SIGN ELEMENT THAT SAYS GREEN ACRES AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE.
WE CAN'T REALLY PUT SOMETHING ON THAT SIDE THAT LOOKS LIKE THE FRONT.
>> WE WANT THE FRONT TO BE WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS AND WHERE THE PEOPLE COME IN AND PARK AND THEN WALK IN THE FRONT DOOR.
>> I HESITATE TO ASK YOU TO SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY ON VISUALIZATION.
I ALSO HESITATE TO ASK YOU TO NOW REORIENT THE BUILDING TO THE FRONT.
I DON'T SENSE ANY HESITATION TO THE USE, THIS LOOKS GREAT. IT'S [BACKGROUND]
>> PERHAPS THEY HAD A RENDERING BUT FROM P&Z THAT ALREADY SHOWED IT THE OTHER WAY.
>> PERHAPS THEY ALREADY HAVE A RENDERING.
IF P&Z REACTED AND SAID SHIFTED WAS THERE A RENDERING, TO BEGIN WITH, IT SHOWED IT FACING 1709 ALREADY.
>> WELL, EARLY ON WHEN WE BEGAN DEVELOPING THE SITE PLAN, WE HAD AN ORIENTED FACING SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.
IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT WAS PRIOR TO MEETING WITH P&Z, AT LEAST LATELY.
>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST A RENDERING.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REDOING AN ENTIRE SITE PLAN.
MAYBE BETWEEN NOW AND FIRST READING, RATHER THAN REDO THE WHOLE SITE PLAN,
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CAN YOU TAKE A SHOT AT MAYBE PRETTYING UP? IT LOOKS FINE TO ME. THE FRONT LOOKS FINE RIGHT NOW.BUT CAN YOU ADD SOME ARCHITECTURAL INTERESTS OR FEATURES, TRY TO MAKE THAT FACADE LOOK A LITTLE MORE, I DON'T KNOW, GRAND.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ALL COULD DO?
>> WE'LL DISCUSS THAT WITH THE OWNER AND SEE.
>> IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, WHAT WE SAID AT CORRIDOR VERY EARLY AND PROBABLY BEFORE THEY WENT TO P&Z WAS WE LIKE IT.
BUT THEY HAD THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT IN THE FRONT.
WE SAID, HEY, HOW ABOUT WE MOVE SOME OF THE PARKING AROUND THE SIDE AND WE MAKE IT PRETTIER IN THE FRONT KIND OF DEAL.
I THINK AND I REMEMBER THE GREEN ACRES REPRESENTATIVE SAYING, WELL, WE DON'T WANT THE FRONT DOOR HERE AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO WALK AROUND.
[NOISE] I THINK THEIR SOLUTION TO THAT, IT MUST HAVE BEEN TO JUST TURN THE WHOLE THING TO THE SIDE.
THIS SIDE LOOKS OKAY TO ME, BUT I DO AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS AND THAT ALL YOU SEE IS THAT STARK ROOF LINE AND NOW YOU SEE THAT NURSERY SIDE ON THE SIDE THAT REALLY IF YOU TURN THE BUILDING WOULD BE IN THE BACK.
I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T LIKE IT HOW IT IS.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY. I DON'T.
>> TO YOUR POINT, THE PRETTIER MAIN ENTRANCE IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU WALK IN IF YOU PARK.
I THINK THEY HAD ALL THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THAT.
BUT THEN WE DID TALK ABOUT, IF YOU JUST PUT SOME IN FRONT THEN YOU STILL HAVE TO WALK AROUND SO, I DON'T KNOW.
I FEEL LIKE THEY DID WHAT WE ASKED AND ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I STRUGGLE WITH IT A BIT TOO IN TERMS OF ASKING FOR A WHOLE LOT, BUT IF THERE'S SOME WAY, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, I'M NOT A DESIGNER, SO I FEEL LIKE WE JUST WANT IT TO LOOK A LITTLE BETTER FROM 1709 IF NOTHING ELSE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? I DON'T KNOW.
>> IT'S A TOUGH SPOT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
WHOEVER HAS ASKED THEM TO DO IT.
>> MULTIPLE TIMES. I CAN TELL YOU I WOULD HAVE NEVER GOT THAT.
IT IS HIGH SIZE 2020, BUT I WOULD NOT HAVE GOT HOOKED UP ON THE PARKING ON 1709 OF ALL PLACES.
THAT'S ONE OF OUR MOST BUSY INDUSTRIAL [LAUGHTER] AREAS IN THE CITY.
IT'S SUCH A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
I FEEL LIKE THAT YOU'RE LOSING PART OF THE IMPACT OF WHAT I SEE IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING HERE.
I WOULD NOT VOTE AGAINST IT AS IT IS. IT'S FINE.
BUT I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT PUTS THEM IN A POSITION, YOU'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY TO REORIENT IT.
I'LL VOTE FOR YOU THE WAY I LIKE IT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT, BUT I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT PARKING IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION.
>> WELL, YEAH. I DO THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO THE APPLICANT TO HOLD UP THIS PARTICULAR APPROVAL WHEN THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT, AND THEY DID IT IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO.
WE, AS IN THE COLLECTIVELY, WE ALL UP AND DOWN THE LINE.
MAYBE I'D SAY THIS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO COST YOU GUYS MONEY TO REDO THE SITE PLAN.
MAYBE YOU CAN TALK INTERNALLY.
I'M OKAY MOVING THIS FORWARD ON FIRST READING.
YOU GUYS CAN TALK INTERNALLY AND SEE IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE TIME AND INEXPENSIVE, FLIPPING THE SITE PLAN AROUND.
LISTEN, MY PREFERENCE IS PROBABLY THE SAME.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS WHATSOEVER.
MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN TALK INTERNAL AND SAY, IF IT'S REALLY WORTH IT FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE, FROM BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, SPEND THE TIME, SPEND THE MONEY, FLIP IT AROUND, AND BRING IT BACK.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'LL GET A QUICK APPROVAL. JUST READING THE TEA LEAVES.
BUT IF NOT, I'M OKAY MOVING THIS FORWARD BECAUSE YOU GUYS WERE RESPONSIVE TO, YOU DID WHAT YOU WERE ASKED.
>> JUST TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK WHAT THE MAYOR IS SAYING IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO PICK OR CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER.
I THINK BRING THEM BOTH BACK IF YOU DECIDE YOU DO WANT TO REORIENT THE BUILDING, BRING THEM BOTH AND WE'LL MAKE A FINAL CALL ON THAT IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE BEFORE IT COMES BACK.
>> BUT INHERENT IN THAT, YOU'RE ALSO SAYING THAT YOU'RE FINE IF IT COMES BACK AND THEY CHOSE NOT TO ADD ANOTHER OPTION.
>> I AM. I'M NOT SAYING EVERYONE HAS TO BE, I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH APPROVING THIS. I AM.
>> I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER LITTLE PIECE THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT WE HIT IN ONE OF OUR SIGN THINGS LAST TIME.
THAT PEACE ON THE FRONT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE PART OF A SIGN VARIANCES, THE BIG, HUGE [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH, THE WATER TOWER WITH THE SIGNS AND EVERYTHING. [OVERLAPPING] JUST TO FIND ONE.
>> WE WILL HAVE TO PROBABLY LOOK AT THAT, JUST FYI, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE REGULATED AS A SIGN, JUST FYI.
IF YOU LIKE THIS, YOU'LL LOVE THAT.
THAT'S GREAT FUN. WELL, I GUESS THAT I'M OKAY MOVING THIS FORWARD AT FIRST READING, AND WITH THE INSTRUCTION TO THE APPLICANT THAT YOU GUYS TALK INTERNALLY,
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IF YOU WANT TO FLIP IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'LL HAVE SUPPORT FOR THAT.IF NOT, THEN IT IS WHAT IT IS.
HOLD ON. PLEASE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THERE, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK ABOUT THE NEW NURSERY? NO. ONE MORE QUESTION.
IS THIS THE FIRST ONE OF THESE GREEN ACRES IN TEXAS?
>> THEY'VE JUST RECENTLY OPENED THEIR FIRST IN IRVING, AND YOU'RE WELCOME.
>> [LAUGHTER] THEY DIDN'T ASK HIM TO FLIP THE PARKING, DID THEY? THERE ISN'T OPEN RIGHT NOW?
>> I WILL SAY THAT YOUR MASTER GARDENERS IN THE CITY WILL BE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE IT HERE.
>> ABSOLUTELY. I KNOW THERE'S ONE PERSON IN THE HUFFMAN HOUSE WILL BE VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS OPEN.
WELL, WITH THAT, COUNCIL, THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION. YOU GUYS ARE GOOD. THANK YOU.
>> TAKE A MOTION ON FIRST READING.
>> YES, MAYOR COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEMS 7A, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-799 CA 23-0005.
FIRST READINGS, ANY CHANGE IN SITE PLAN FOR GREEN ACRES NURSERY LOCATED ON A PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 3D WOR USE SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 500 SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED IN 1963, WEST SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS, SUBJECT TO STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 27TH, 2023, AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2, DATED MARCH 17TH, 2023.
NOTING ALSO THAT THIS ASEPTIC TO THE REVISED EXHIBITS PROVIDED THIS EVENING SHOWING THE REMOVAL OF 14 PARKING SPACES AND THE ADDITION OF A BERM ALONG THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE SIDE ADJACENT TO WEST SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD, ALSO AGREEING WITH THE FINDING OF THE P&Z COMMISSION THAT WHILE THE SITE HAS RETAIL COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION ON THE NORTH END OF THE SITE AND THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE.
THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN GIVEN THE ENTIRE SIDE IS CURRENTLY ZONE C2, GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED ZONING IS FURTHER ALIGNED WITH THE LAND USE PLAN AS THE AREA WITH MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION FOR PRIMARILY BE USED FOR THE CULTIVATION OF PLANTS, STORAGE OF LANDSCAPE SUPPLIES, AS WELL AS OPEN SPACE.
THEN JUST ALSO NOTING FOR THE RECORD THAT COUNCIL IS OPEN AND WILLING TO CONSIDER A REORIENTATION OF THIS BUILDING TO WHERE IT WOULD BE FACING SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD IF THE APPLICANT IS INCLINED TO BRING THAT.
BUT COUNCIL WAS NOTING WITH THIS APPROVAL THAT WE ARE APPROVING ON FIRST READING WHAT WAS PRESENTED THIS EVENING.
>> PERFECT. NICE. WE HAVE A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND DISCUSSION VOTE.
WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 9A, WHICH IS MSP 23-001 MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR METHODIST SOUTHLAKE. DIRECTOR KILO.
[9.A. MSP23-0001, Master Sign Plan for Methodist Southlake Medical Center, located at 335, 401, 421, 431, and 451 E. SH 114, Southlake, Texas.]
>> THANK YOU AGAIN, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS A UPDATE TO PREVIOUS MESH SIGN PLANS APPROVED FOR THE SOUTHLAKE METHODIST HOSPITAL AND NOW SOUTHLAKE MEDICAL CENTER LOCATED AT 335-451 E STATE HIGHWAY 114.
THIS EFFORT IS FOR THE HOSPITAL TO ADDRESS TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE REGARDING SIGNAGE AND DIRECTIONS TO EMERGENCY ROOMS REQUIRED BY THE STATE.
THIS IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE.
THIS IS A AERIAL PHOTO OF THE SITE.
PRIMARY HOSPITAL IN THIS LOCATION AND EMERGENCY ROOM IN THIS FACILITY.
THIS IS MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS ALSO SERVING PART OF THE HOSPITAL AND THEN PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURE LOCATED HERE.
THIS IS A EXHIBIT SHOWING SIGNS TO EITHER BE ADDED TO THE SITE OR REPLACED ON THE SITE OR TO REMAIN ON THE SIDE, IT'S COLOR-CODED.
ALL NEW SIGNAGE BEING ADDED IS PRIMARILY DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE OR SWITCHING OUT OF SIGNAGE THAT IS DATED, AND THEN GREEN SIGNS ARE SIGNS THAT THEY WILL BE REMOVING AND REPLACING WITH A COMPARABLE SIGN, AND I CAN REFER BACK TO THIS EXHIBIT SHOULD WE
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NEED TO AS I GO THROUGH THE REMAINING SLIDES, I'M JUST GIVING A CONCISE OVERVIEW AS CONCISELY AS POSSIBLE OF SOUNDBOARDS RECOMMENDATION ON THIS, I ESSENTIALLY APPROVED ALL THE INTERNAL DIRECTIONAL SIGNS AS THEY WERE PRESENTED WITH SOME OF THE EXTERNAL SIGNS AND ATTACH BUILDING SIGNS, THERE WERE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO BRING BACK OPTIONS FOR THOSE OR OUTRIGHT DENIAL AND SUBJECT TO BRING THEM BACK IN OPTION LOCATIONS 1 AND 4 ARE MONUMENT SIGNS THAT WOULD BE PLACED AT THE TWO ENTRIES COMING OFF EAST HIGHLAND, AND THOSE WERE DENIED WITH THE APPLICANT BRINGING BACK A OPTION CLOSER IN LINE WITH WHAT THE SO THE SIGN ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE FOR THOSE MONUMENT STRUCTURES.LOCATION NUMBER 9 ISN'T ATTACHED BUILDING SIGN LOCATED AT THE ENTRY AS YOU WALK INTO THE HOSPITAL.
THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE SIGN, BUT TO BRING BACK AN OPTION OTHER THAN A FLAT PANEL SIGN.
BUT TO PROVIDE A CHANNEL CUT LETTER SINE.
SINE NUMBER 19 IS A MONUMENT SIGN BEING ADDED TO ONE OF THE ENTRIES OFF EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND THAT WAS APPROVED, ALSO RECOMMENDING THEY BRING BACK AN OPTION FOR THAT, AND THEN LOCATION NUMBER 23, IS A MANUFACTURED DIRECTIONAL SIGN THAT WOULD BE VIRTUALLY THE SAME AS THE CITY'S DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE OR WAY-FINDING SIGNS, AND THE CITY DIRECTING PEOPLE TO THE ENTRANCES FOR THE EMERGENCY ROOM OFF THE STATE HIGHWAY 114, FRONTAGE ROAD AND SOUNDBOARD RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THAT.
BUT ASSET THE APPLICANT BRING ANOTHER OPTION TO COUNSEL.
THE SLIDES THAT I'LL RUN THROUGH FIRST ARE THE SLIDES OR EXHIBITS AT THE SOUNDBOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR.
>> CAN I STOP YOU THERE? COUNCIL, WE'VE REVIEWED THE PACKET.
ARE THERE ANY SIGNS THAT THE SIGN BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH?
>> NO, I THINK WE CAN JUST GO WITH THE SIGNS OR THE LOCATIONS THAT THE SIGN BOARD EITHER DENIED OR JUST RECOMMENDED OTHER OPTIONS? PROBABLY THOSE.
>> LET'S SEE ANYONE WHO'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THOSE. WE GOOD.
LET'S FOCUS ON THE ONES THAT THEY WERE NOT OKAY WITH, AND THE ONES THAT GAVE US OPTIONS FOR.
>> THIS PARTICULAR SIGN IS 114 FRONTAGE SIGN.
THEY ACTUALLY APPROVE THE SIGN, BUT AT ASKS IF THEY COME BACK WITH SOMETHING CLOSER TO THE ORDINANCE, THEY DID NOT ACTUALLY PROVIDE ANOTHER OPTION FOR THIS THIS PARTICULAR SIGN WASN'T VERY FAR OFF FROM WHAT OUR SIGN ORDINANCE REQUIRES.
IT WAS OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE SIGN FACE AREA, WHICH IS THIS PART OF THE SIGN, AS WELL AS THE SETBACK OFF OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OR ORDINANCE REQUIRES 15 AND THEY'RE AT JUST UNDER 11 FEET AND ARE ABOUT 12.7 SQUARE FEET OVER AREA.
THIS IS A SIGN AND PROXIMITY THAT THIS SIGN WOULD BE GOING AWAY.
IT'S BEEN REMOVED, AND THIS PARTICULAR SIGN WHICH IS GOING JUST ON THE SIGN BEING REMOVED IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIS DRIVE ENTRY, AND THE NEW SIGN IS GOING HERE.
ISSUE TO DISCUSS WITH THIS ONE.
>> THIS IS JUST A VARIANCE THAT WE'RE?
>> IT'S JUST THE VARIANCE FOR THE SINE FACE AND THE SETBACK FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE?
>> YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. ANYBODY?
>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
>> SOUNDS GOOD PROCEED. LET'S GO SIGN BY SIGN HOW ABOUT?
>> THIS SIGN WAS APPROVED SIGN BOARD.
>> YOU CAN SKIP THE ONES THAT THEY ARE APPROVED.
IF THEY APPROVED IT, WE'RE GOOD WITH IT.
>> YES. THESE ARE TWO OF THE SIGNS THAT SOUNDBOARD DENIED AND ASKED FOR ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION CLOSER TO THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
THESE ARE AT THE TWO ENTRIES OFF OF EAST OR EAST HIGHLAND.
THIS IS A SIGN PRESENTED TO SIGN BOARD, WHICH WAS ROUGHLY AN EIGHT FOOT TALL SIGN OR SIGN ORDINANCE.
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THIS IS COMPARISON REQUIRES NOTHING GREATER THAN SIX FOOT SIX.ALSO KNOW SIGN FACE CREDIT AND FOUR SQUARE, OR FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT, AND THIS ONE WAS THE ORIGINAL ONE IS FIVE FOOT TWO, THE ONE ON THE LEFT, THIS IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO SIGN BOARD.
ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE NEW OPTION.
THEY REDUCE THAT FROM ROUGHLY EIGHT FEET TO SEVEN FEET AND THE SINE FACE AREA IN HEIGHT REDUCED PROPORTIONALLY.
>> IT'S PRETTY CLOSE REALLY. IT SEEMS THE ISSUE IS DO WE WANT TO GIVE THEM BOTH OF THEM OR STICK WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS ONE PER FRIDGE, RIGHT?
>> [BACKGROUND] I'M ON FOR THEM GETTING MORE VISIBILITY.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THERE AND YOU DON'T SEE THAT FIRST SIGN, IT'S EASIER TO JUST GET PAST IT.
I'M ALL FOR GIVING THEM AN ENHANCED VISIBILITY SUCH THAT IT BECOMES MORE VISIBLE OPTION AND I WAS LIKE.
>> I AGREE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION AND YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOSPITAL, YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THERE OR YOU'RE EVEN IF YOU'RE DRIVING, IF SOMEBODY IN THE PASSENGER SEAT AND EMERGENCY SITUATION, YOU MISSED THE FIRST ONE.
>> DENNIS FOR THE PURPOSES OF EMOTION THEN.
CAN YOU BACK UP? WHAT IS THAT CALLED? WE JUST APPROVED SIGN 19?
>> THIS IS YOU COULD REFERENCE THIS IS APPROVING SIGNS 1 AND 4 AS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED.
>> A1 AND A2 ARE THE REDUCED SIDE.
>> WE AGREE WITH THE REDUCED SIGN.
>> YES. IF THEY'RE GOING FOR A1A2, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT AIA2 [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE SPECIFIC NUMBER FOR THIS SINE NUMBER FOR THIS AS SIGNS 1 AND 4, AND THE OPTION PROVIDED HERE IS A1 AND A2.
A1 IS FOR SIGN 1, A2 IS FOR SIGN 4.
>> THIS WAS THE ENTRY POINT TO THE TO THE HOSPITAL.
THE ABOVE SIGN IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO SIGN BOARD.
NEITHER OF THESE SIGNS ARE LIT.
THE LOWER IS CHANNEL CUT, WHICH IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THIS PROPERTY IN THE DISTRICT THERE IN THE FLAT PANEL SIGNS ARE ONLY PERMITTED IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, AND THAT'S WHAT THE VARIANCE WAS FOR.
ASIDE FROM NUMBER OF SIGNS ON THE BUILDING ITSELF.
>> OUR DECISION ON THIS ONE IS JUST WHETHER TO GO WITH THE CHANNEL CUT LETTERS OR THE PANEL SIGN?
>> OR GIVE IT TO THEM AT ALL, YEAH.
>> THIS IS TOUGH FOR ME. THIS SIGN IS NOT OBTRUSIVE, DANIEL.
NO ONE'S GOING TO SEE IS YOU'LL SEE THIS WHEN YOU WALK UP AND TO ME THE FLAT ONE ALMOST LOOKS BETTER.
I DON'T LIKE THE LINES GOING THROUGH THE METHODIST MAKES IT TOUGH TO READ AND LOOK AWKWARD, SIR?
>> I'M ABSOLUTELY FOR THEM HAVING THIS SIGN-UPS. I'M IN THAT PLAZA.
LITTLE TOO MUCH THINGS BECOME MY DAUGHTER IS ALWAYS GETTING INJURED AND GO INTO ONE OF THE MEDICAL OFFICES AND GOOFY ME, I'M ALWAYS LIKE WHICH ONES TO THE HOSPITAL, WHICH ONE'S THE MEDICAL OFFICE? I'M ALL FOR THEM HAVING MORE SIGNAGE.
>> I'M FINE WITH THE SIGN. I ACTUALLY LIKE OPTION A1 BETTER, AND ESPECIALLY IF THE OTHER ONE IS REALLY, MOSTLY, IT'S TYPICALLY ARE ALWAYS APPLIED TO INDUSTRIAL, SO.
>> REFERENCE ON THIS IS LOCATION OR SIGN NUMBER 9 AND OPTION A1 WITH THE CHANNEL CUT LETTERS?
>> THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXHIBIT.
THIS IS SIGN 23 THIS IS THE ON RIGHT-OF-WAY OF 114 DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE THERE, PROPOSING TO HAVE MANUFACTURED IN PLACE.
THIS WOULD BE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.
THIS IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO SIGN BOARD, ONE WITH THIS COPY ON IT.
SIGN BOARD DENIED IT AND SAID, WELL, I'LL BRING SOME OTHER OPTIONS.
THEIR DESIRE IS TO STICK WITH THE SOUTHLAKE WAY FINDING SIGN DESIGN IN THIS CATEGORY AND THEY ARE PRESENTING AS AN ALTERNATE TO ONE OF THESE TWO SIGNS IDENTIFYING THAT YOU'RE APPROACHING TWO ENTRANCES FOR THE HOSPITAL.
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THIS WOULD GO LOCATION WISE, JUST WEST OF THE FIRST ENTRY COMING INTO THE HOSPITAL SIDE AND ON THE EASTBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD.IT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO GO THROUGH TEXDOT PERMITTING, ETC, FOR INSTALLATION OF THE SIGN.
>> WELL, I THINK I'M JUST GENERALLY CONFUSED BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN A SIGN THAT SAYS ANYTHING LIKE THAT NEXT TO RIGHTS.
ACTUALLY, WAS THAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE FIRST ONE AND THE SECOND ONE.
I SEE WHY THEY DENIED IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S RELEVANT OR NECESSARY.
>> HOW FAR PRIOR TO THE FIRST WEST ENTRY ARE THESE GOING TO BE PLACED? [NOISE]
>> THIS REQUIRES MAYBE 50 FEET FROM THAT, MAYBE MORE NOW, THAT'S PROBABLY A 7,500 FEET.
>> FOR ME, I THINK IT'S SO WELL SIGNED WITH WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING WITH SIGN 19, THESE BIG SIGNS.
>> ITS QUITE SIGNED. EVEN IF WE DID GO WITH THAT, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE IT WOULD NEED A RED CROSS OR SOMETHING TO INDICATE IT'S A HOSPITAL.
IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE SIGN.
I DON'T THINK IT HAS MUCH PURPOSE THERE IT DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT.
>> IT'S ALREADY DENIED, SO I DON'T NEED TO MAKE NOTE OF IT?
>> I WOULD RECOGNIZE DENYING SIGN 23 IN YOUR MOTION, PLEASE.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE LAST SLIDE.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ISSUES? I FEEL LIKE WE WENT OVER ALL WHAT WE NEED.
I THINK IF THEY COME BACK WITH IT, IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO SAY METHODIST SOUTHLAKE, A QUARTER MILE AHEAD OR WHATEVER IT IS.
THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE TYPE SIGNS.
OBVIOUSLY, THEY WANT IT BECAUSE THEY CAME BACK WITH THE EXACT SAME SIGN AFTER P&Z SAID NO.
>> I SEE THE LOGIC. AS YOU GO UP THAT HILL BEFORE YOU SEE THE BIGGEST SIGN MAKING PEOPLE AWARE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TURN IT IN BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A LITTLE HIDDEN TURN.
I SEE THE LOGIC IN THE MOLDING IT.
>> ALTHOUGH, IF YOU'RE RIGHT THERE AND YOU MISS THE HOSPITAL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT DEPENDS ON HOW FAR BACK THOUGH.
>> SOMETHING'S GONE HORRIBLY WRONG.
[LAUGHTER] LET'S TRY THE MOTION WITHOUT IT.
>> THANKS GUYS. I SEE THE APPLICANTS HERE.
YOU GUYS WANT TO COME UP AND TALK SIGNS A LITTLE MORE? NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO, BENSON.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR?
>> GOOD EVENING TEAM. BENSON CHACKO, HOSPITAL PRESIDENT 6912 MOZART COLLEYVILLE
>> BERNIE BAVENDER. BAVENDER DESIGN GROUPING.
YES, SIGNAGE IS REALLY EASY IN SOUTHLAKE.
>> WE WOULD CALL IT A LOT OF THINGS EASY IS NOT ONE OF THEM. [LAUGHTER]
>> JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
SOMEONE MENTIONED IT EARLIER COMING DOWN THAT HILL RIGHT ON OF [INAUDIBLE] 114 IS THE CHALLENGE OF YOU COME RIGHT UP ON ENTRANCE 1 AND ENTRANCE 2.
IF YOU MISS ENTRANCE 1, YOU'VE GOT TO GO AROUND TO ENTRANCE 2.
WE APOLOGIZE THERE'S A PICTURE THAT WE SUBMITTED.
IT DIDN'T GET INTO THE DECK, SO APOLOGIZE.
SHOWS THE DEPTH OF HOW FAR ARE YOU IN.
>> THE LAND YOU'RE DOWN AND THEN YOU'RE STARTING TO RISE.
YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THE TREES.
>> IT REALLY WAS TYING IT BACK TO THE CITY AS FAR AS IT'S A GREAT RECOMMENDATION FROM P&Z ABOUT PUTTING OUR LOGO AND PAYING METRO SOUTHLAKE DULY NOTED AS FAR AS UPCOMING INSTEAD OF THE NEXT TWO RIGHTS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN PROBABLY PROVIDE SOME CONFUSION.
WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK TO SEE WHAT OTHER SIGNS WE CAN PUT IN OR SUGGESTS AS FAR AS THE VERBIAGE.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE MESSAGING, I THINK AS YOU'RE CONCERNED.
>> MAYBE. WELL, I THINK VISUALIZATION WOULD HAVE HELPED FOR SURE.
>> I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE THIS PACKAGE FORWARD.
IF YOU FIND YOURSELF REALLY IN NEEDING AND REALLY WANTING TO BRING THIS [INAUDIBLE], BRING IT BACK.
I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE READY TO MOVE TO THE REST OF IT FORWARD.
WE CAN TABLE IT IF YOU WANT BUT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO. [LAUGHTER]
>> WE'VE GOT A BLUE AGE WAY BACK CLOSER TO WHITE CHAPEL.
BUT IT'S SO FAR AWAY AND ALL YOU LOOK AT ARE A BUNCH OF TREES YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> WELL, AGAIN THE RISE AND THEN THE LOWERING OVER THAT DITCH.
>> BRING SOME VISUALIZATIONS BACK IF YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU WANT IT AGAIN. [BACKGROUND]
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>> SAY IT AGAIN THIS I'M SORRY?
>> I HAVE THE PHOTO IN THAT DECK, I PUSHED SOME OF THOSE SLIDES BACK JUST TRYING.
>> YOU WANT TO FLIP THROUGH IT?
>> IS THAT ONE OF THEM [OVERLAPPING]?
>> THAT SIGN EXISTS TODAY AND THAT'S A [INAUDIBLE], WHICH EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THAT IS.
BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> SAYS THAT WE'RE THE 23 WE GO, SIGN 23?
>> 23 IS PAST THAT POINT, SEE WHERE THE TELEPHONE MONUMENT IS?
>> ONE MORE. IT WAS THAT SPECIAL SIGN SLIDE.
>> I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAD IN THERE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S APPROACHING YOUR FIRST DRIVEWAY THERE.
>> IT'S BEFORE YOU GET TO THE FIRST DRIVE WAY.
>> THAT ONE IS BEFORE YOU GET TO THE TURN LANE.
>> THEN THERE WAS ONE WE HAD. [OVERLAPPING] THERE WE GO.
>> I APOLOGIZE. VAST BOUGHT TWO FACTS.
>> ARE WE AFRAID THAT THE DRIVER IS GOING TO MISS THE BIG HOSPITAL IN THE BACKGROUND?
>> DOES THE BLUE SIGN REMAIN REGARDLESS, IS THAT BLUE SIGN GOING TO REMAIN THOUGH?
>> YEAH. THE TEXDOT, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> BUT IT'S IN THE WRONG PLACE [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO, I GET IT. BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY MISSES THE HOSPITAL WITH THAT BIG BLUE UNIVERSAL SIGN SITTING THERE POINTING RIGHT AND THEN TWO ENTRANCES IN A FOUR-STORY BUILDING BUT IT'S JUST ME.
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'LL SAY I GO TO THIS PLACE ALL THE TIME OBVIOUSLY, AND IT IS EASY TO MISS THAT ENTRANCE.
I KNOW YOU SAY THAT, BUT IT'S BEFORE YOU GET TO THE HOSPITAL, AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S PLACED ODDLY.
IF IT WERE 60 FEET FARTHER DOWN, IT WOULD BE INTO THE HOSPITAL BUT IT'S BEFORE YOU GET TO THE HOSPITAL AND YOU JUST DRIVE BY IT AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING PAST THE HOSPITAL AND GETTING IN.
I GET WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, AND TRUST ME, I SAID I GO THERE AND YOU CAN BE FLYING DOWN THIS AT 55 MILES AN HOUR BECAUSE IT'S THAT ROAD AND YOU CAN MISS THAT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS, YOU'VE PUT THREE MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY TO SLEEP AND IT BOTHERS ME THAT YOU'RE MISSING THE TURN. [LAUGHTER]
>> I DIDN'T SAY I WAS MISSING IT.
>> IT DOES SEEM ILLOGICAL, BUT SOMEBODY WHO WENT THERE TWICE A WEEK FOR SEVEN MONTHS, THE THING THAT ALWAYS HAPPENS IS AGAIN, I'M GOING MULTIPLE TIMES, I WOULD ALWAYS PASS THAT EXIT BECAUSE THAT ENTRANCE WILL COME UP ON ME, BECAUSE I'M THINKING IT WAS GOING TO BE DOWN THE HILL AND IT WASN'T.
>> SEE, HE DIDN'T PUT YOUR FAMILY ASLEEP.
>> HERE'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION, ALAN, MAYBE YOU CAN OPINE.
WE'VE GOT THE SOUTHLAKE LOGO ON THIS SIDE.
I LOVE THE SOUTHLAKE LOGO, BUT IT IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS SIGN.
IS THERE A PRECEDENT FOR THIS?
>> NO, WE GENERALLY DO NOT ALLOW PRIVATE ENTITIES TO USE OUR PARTICULAR LOGO ON THEIR DISPLAYS.
WE HAVE A COPYRIGHTABLE INTEREST IN THAT, AND WE PROTECT THAT LOGO TO PREVENT IT BEING USED BY BUSINESSES FOR MARKETING PURPOSES.
NOW I COULD USE SOMETHING SIMILAR BUT IF YOU USE OURS, IT WILL CREATE A PRECEDENT.
>> WELL, THEY MAY SOLVE OUR PROBLEM RIGHT THERE.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. CAN WE TABLE JUST THIS SIGN AND VOTE ON THE REST OF IT AND MOVE IT FORWARD?
>> THIS IS NOT A SUBDIVISION CASE.
UNDER ZONING, YOU HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OF YOUR CALENDAR.
>> BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS UNLESS YOU WANT TO.
>> NO, FAIR ENOUGH. HERE'S WHAT WE'LL DO. WE'LL VOTE ON THE REST OF IT.
YOU GUYS CAN BRING US MAYBE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE SIGN AND HELP US VISUALIZE IT, AND MAYBE WE'LL GO OUT TO THE SITE, AND WE'LL DRIVE IT AND IF YOU GUYS WANT TO BRING THIS BACK, MAYBE LOSE THE SOUTHLAKE LOGO JUST FOR OUR OWN LEGAL INTERESTS.
>> WILL THAT WORK FOR COUNCIL? WE'LL DO THAT. SOUND GOOD GUYS?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU BOTH.
>> THANKS FOR STICKING WITH US. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IF THERE IS ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK, OPEN THE FLOOR.
SEEING NONE, COUNSEL, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY. DIRECTOR KILO, IS THAT SIGN 23 THAT WE'RE TABLING?
>> THANK YOU. MAYOR COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 9A OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS MSP 23-0001, MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR SOUTHLAKE MEDICAL CENTER LOCATED AT 335 401 421 431 AND 451 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 28TH, 2023.
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WE'RE PROVING AS PRESENTED THIS EVENING, NOTING THE FOLLOWING.WE'RE ALSO GOING TO APPROVE SIGN 19.
AS PRESENTED TONIGHT. WE'RE PROVING SIGNS 1 AND 4 OPTIONS A1 AND A2 AS PRESENTED TONIGHT.
WE'RE APPROVING SIGN 9, OPTION A1 WITH CHANNEL CUT LETTERS AS PRESENTED TONIGHT.
THE ONLY PART OF THIS APPLICATION THAT WILL REMAIN IS TABLING OF SIGN 23 CONSIDERATION INDEFINITELY.
>> GREAT. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. ITEM 9A WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 23, IS APPROVED.
THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> 9B WAS PUT ON CONSENT AND THEN NEXT WE HAVE 9C.
[9.B. SV23-0005, Sign Variance for Origin Bank located at 1110 E. Southlake Blvd., Southlake, Texas.]
[9.C. Consider approval of an economic development agreement between the City of Southlake, Texas, and Capital Grill Holdings, Inc., a North Carolina Corporation.]
CONSIDERATION FOR THE APPROVAL OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AND CAPITAL GRILL HOLDINGS.DANIEL, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO HOLD OFF IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE, CAPITAL GRILL? COME ON DOWN. I'M GOING TO SKIP THE PRESENTATION.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO DISAPPOINT YOU.
WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS ITEM TONIGHT.
>> ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT AREA AS FAR AS PARKING, THE DISPUTES THAT'S GOING ON BETWEEN YOUR LANDLORD AND THE CALABRESE RESTAURANT?
>> YES, SIR. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE ISSUE.
MY NAME IS MARTY WILSON WITH DARDEN RESTAURANTS.
>> HI MARTY. THANKS FOR COMING DOWN.
I'M DISAPPOINTED TO DRAG YOU GUYS INTO THIS, BUT AT THIS POINT I AM OUT OF OPTIONS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LANDLORD OF A REALLY NICE DEVELOPMENT, ONE YOU GUYS ARE MOVING INTO, AND A RESTAURANT THAT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL, THAT'S INVESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY, THAT THEY'RE FIGHTING OVER PARKING, AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU-ALL'S NAME IS BEING THROWN OUT THERE AS THE SOURCE OF THE CONFLICT.
I THINK EVERYBODY WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR RESTAURANT.
BUT BEFORE WE MAKE A MASSIVE INVESTMENT INTO Y'ALL COMING HERE, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE DOTTED OUR EYES AND CROSS OUR TAS AS FAR AS WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE TO THAT DEVELOPMENT AND TO EVERYBODY WHO COMES TO IT, WHETHER THEY'RE CITIZENS OF SOUTHLAKE OR NOT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THIS CONFLICT IS SPILLING OVER AND IT'S AFFECTING OUR CITIZENS AND IT'S AFFECTING PEOPLE WHO VISIT TO SOUTHLAKE.
NOT YOUR FAULT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT NOW TOO.
WHAT I'M ASKING YOU AS PART OF DARDEN RESTAURANTS AND THE CAPITAL GRILL TEAM IS TO PLEASE BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION.
THE CITY STAFF DANIEL CORTEZ IS GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU GUYS AND FOLLOW UP ONCE AGAIN WITH THE LANDLORD AND WITH CALABRESE TO TRY TO COME TO SOME AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT HONESTLY BOGGLES MY MIND THAT ADULTS CAN'T GET IN A ROOM AND FIGURE OUT A REASONABLE SOLUTION TO 20 PARKING SPACES.
WHAT'S GOOD FOR ONE IS GOOD FOR ALL.
I KNOW WE CAN WORK THIS OUT, BUT AT THIS POINT I NEED YOUR HELP.
>> UNDERSTOOD. WE APPRECIATE THAT AND FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF COUNCIL'S DECISION ON THAT MATTER TO TABLE IT, AND WE WANT TO BE GOOD BUSINESS PARTNERS WITH THE CITY AND WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT POSITION.
>> I KNOW YOU DO, AND IT'S SUPER DISAPPOINTING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND THAT YOU-ALL'S PROJECT IS BEING AFFECTED.
AGAIN, YOU SHOULD NOT READ INTO THIS THAT WE'RE NOT IN SUPPORT OF YOUR RESTAURANT.
WE ARE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE WE MAKE SUCH A LARGE INVESTMENT.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO GET WITH DANIEL AND GET WITH THE FOLKS INVOLVED AND PLEASE TRY TO BE A PART OF THIS SOLUTION, OKAY?
>> THANK YOU, MARTY I APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANKS FOR STICKING WITH US. SORRY. I HAD TO TELL YOU THAT AT 09:00 P.M. AT THE END OF THE NIGHT.
COUNCIL, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO TABLE.
>> YES. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE ITEM 9C, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS AND CAPITAL GRILL HOLDINGS IN NORTH CAROLINA CORPORATION.
ARE WE TABLE THIS INDEFINITELY?
> WE HAVE MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> MOTION TABLE 9C PASSES 7-0.
WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 9V,
[9.D. ZA23-0007, Plat Revision for Lot 7R, Block 6, Cross Timber Hills, Phase III Addition, being a revision of Lot 7, Block 6, Cross Timber Hills, Phase III Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 1352 Lakeview Dr., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "SF1-A" Single Family District. SPIN Neighborhood #5.]
WHICH IS ZA23-0007, PLOT REVISION FOR LOT 7R BLOCK 6, CROSS TIMBER HILLS, ETC.>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS A PLOT REVISION TO ADJUST A BUILDING LINE ADJACENT TO A SIDE STREET FOR PROPERTY CURRENTLY PLOTTED AS LOT 7, BLOCK 6, CROSS TIMBER HILLS ADDITION PHASE III, PROPERTIES AT 1352, LAKEVIEW DRIVE AND SOUTHLAKE SF-1A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED HERE.
THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRE A MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK BE PROVIDED ON EACH STREET FRONTAGE OF A LOT,
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SUBJECT TO WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.FOR THIS ZONING DISTRICT, IT REQUIRES A MINIMUM 40 FOOT BUILDING LINE ALONG EACH STREET FRONTAGE.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR AN ADJUSTMENT OF A BUILDING LINE ADJACENT TO WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SIDE STREET AS FAR AS ITS FRONTAGE ON A CORNER LOT UP TO WHAT THE MINIMUM OF THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT WOULD BE, WHICH IS, IN THIS CASE 20 FEET.
THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY THERE'S A VIEW OF IT LOOKING AT A CORNER VIEW AT THE INTERSECTION.
THIS IS LAKEVIEW ON THE LEFT, MORGAN ON THE RIGHT.
THIS IS CONSIDERED THE SIDE STREET OF THE LOT.
LOT LINER, TECHNICAL FRONTAGE OF THE LOT.
THIS IS THE PLOT AS IT IS CURRENTLY PLOTTED.
THE SUBDIVISION WAS PLOTTED WITH 50-FOOT BUILDING LINES THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, AND AS I SAID, UNDER THE SF-1A ZONING, IT REQUIRES ONLY A MINIMUM 40 FOOT SETBACK UNDER THE ZONING DESIGNATION.
THE PLOT REVISION HERE IS PROPOSING TO REDUCE THIS FROM THE 50-FOOT AS IT IS CURRENTLY PLOTTED TO 35 FOOT.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED RESIDENTS TO BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY SHOWING WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSE AND THE NEED FOR THE REDUCTION.
THIS IS THE REFERENCE IN THE DEFINITION SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT PERMITS APPROVAL OF A REDUCTION IN A CORNER LOT SETBACK.
WE'VE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES FROM NOTIFICATIONS THAT WERE SENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 6-1 COMMISSIONER SPRINGER DISSENTED PRIMARILY STATING CONCERNS OF SETTING SOME TYPE OF A PRECEDENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS I SAID, IT'S BEEN PLOTTED WITH 50-FOOT BUILDING LINE THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAJORITY OF THE HOMES ARE SET BACK AT THAT DISTANCE OR MORE.
THAT WAS COMMISSIONER SPRINGER'S CONCERN.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> SURE. DIRECTOR KILOJOULE, I HAVE THIS RIGHT.
WE'RE BY FLIPPING THIS ORIENTATION, IT PUSHES THE HOUSE CLOSER TO LAKE VIEW.
>> WOULD PUSH IT CLOSER TO MORGAN ROAD.
>> WHY IS THE APPLICANT ASKING FOR? WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT?
>> I THINK JUST THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK AROUND THE TYPE OF HOME THAT THERE PROPOSING PLACE ON A LOT.
I THINK IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, I THINK THIS APPEARS IT'S ENCROACHING OVER THE 35 FOOT THEY'RE PROPOSING, BUT I THINK THEY'VE INDICATED THAT.
>> MINIMUM THAT THEY WOULD NEED REDUCTION AND STAY WITH THEM.
THIS IS GOING FROM THE 50 THEY HAVE TO THE 35.
>> WHY ARE WE SEEING THIS AND NOT ZBA?
>> THE ZONING ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS US TO BE DONE WITH APPROVAL OF A PLOT AND NOT THROUGH A VARIANCE.
THE ZBA IS AN OPTION TO THEM AS WELL.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, SINCE IT BEING A PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE TO PROCESS A VARIANCE AND THEN SHOW THE HARDSHIP AND PROVE IT TO BE UNNECESSARY.
>> I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A QUESTION.
I'M HAVING TO READ THIS A FEW TIMES.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UNDERLYING ZONING HAS FRONT YARD OF 40, SIDE YARD OF 20.
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KNOWING THAT MORGAN ROAD, I MEAN THIS IS A CORNER LOT.SHOULDN'T IT BE 50 ON BOTH SIDES?
>> IT IS. WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES AS A BASELINE IS ANY LOT THAT HAS MORE THAN ONE STREET FRONTAGE, A CORNER LOT IN PARTICULAR, THAT THE MINIMUM IS I PROVIDE WHAT THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD FOR THAT DISTRICT IS.
THIS SUBDIVISION WAS PLOTTED WELL BEFORE OUR CURRENT 480 ORDINANCE ADOPTION, WHICH IS OUR CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE, AND WAS DEVELOPED AT LARGE WITH 50 FOOT SETBACKS.
IT LOOKS LIKE COMMISSIONER SPRINGER AND PNZ HAD THE SAME CONCERN.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS LARGE LOTS SETBACK HOMES.
THERE ARE SOME NEW HOMES, THERE ARE SOME TEAR DOWNS THAT HAVE GONE IN.
IT'S CLEARLY WHAT THIS SITUATION IS HERE AND THOSE FOLKS HAVE ALL SET BACK AND STAYED CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO I DO HAVE A LITTLE HEARTBURN OVER THIS ONE.
>> THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO MOVE THE HOUSE BACK TO STAY INSIDE THE ORDINANCE.
LOOKING AT IT. [OVERLAPPING] THAT ONE PICTURE THAT IS JUST TRYING TO GET A BIGGER BACKYARD, I'M JUST TRYING TO.
I GUESS WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
>> LET'S TALK TO THE APPLICANT.
>> IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, SIR. COME ON OUT.
>> SIR, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> LIKE EITHER MOUSE OR THESE ARROWS, YOU CAN DISMISS A MESS THAT UP.
>> BRIAN KINSMEN, 1352 LAKEVIEW DRIVE.
I THINK THE QUESTION MIGHT BE ABOUT MAYBE THE PURPOSE OF THIS BLESSING AND A CURSE.
CORNER ROAD HAS A 50-FOOT LINES ON BOTH SIDES AND SO WE'RE IN FULL COMPLIANCE OF THAT, I WANT TO KEEP THAT ON THE FRONT, ESPECIALLY THE SIDE WAS A LITTLE TRICKIER JUST BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF THE LOT AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE I GUESS YOU COULD SHOW BACK UP HERE, THE GARAGE OR ANOTHER BUILDING.
ANYWAY, SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO RECONFIGURE THE HOUSE BOTH WAYS AND THE TREE THING IS A BIG DEAL FOR US.
WE WANT TO TRY TO SAVE EVERY TREE AND SO TO MAKE THAT THE LEAST AMOUNT OF FOOTPRINT, THIS IS THE SHAPE OF THE HOUSE THAT WORK BEST FOR US AND SO WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT TO ASK FOR 20-FOOT OR EVEN 30.
WE THOUGHT 35 MIGHT BE A NICE COMPROMISE, SO WE WANT TO RESPECT ALL THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ASSIST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BEING ON A CORNER LOT IN THAT SHAPE OF A LOT?
>> YEAH. IT'S REALLY ABOUT JUST TRYING TO ORIENT THE HOUSE WHERE YOU WANT, AND AS FAR AS YOUR YARD AND ALL THAT?
>> I MEAN THIS IS TOUGH BECAUSE SOMETIMES THESE OLDER LOTS OF THESE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS MAKE IT HARDER TO REDEVELOP.
BUT THEN THERE IS THE STANDARD CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE GOT TO WAY OUT AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HEARING.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE HOUSE.
HOUSE LOOKS GREAT, BUT WE ARE IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS DOES AS FAR AS PRECEDENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WHILE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LEGAL PRECEDENT TO WHAT WE DO, WE CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT NEXT TIME.
THE REALITY IS IT DOES SET EXPECTATIONS AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER EXPECTATIONS WERE SETTING IN THAT AREA REMAIN CONSISTENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TEASE OUT.
>> IF I COULD JUST SAY THAT THE LAKEVIEW IS THE MORE MAIN STREET OF THE TWO OF MORGAN AND LAKEVIEW AND SO THAT'S WHY WE LEFT IT AT THE 50 FROM THAT MORE MAIN STREET.
I GUESS YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE FRONT TO YOUR HOUSE.
>> THAT'S WHY ON THE SIDE, WE CHOSE THAT ONE TO HAVE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF RELIEF IF WE COULD PLEASE.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO QUESTIONS YET. WE MIGHT CALL YOU BACK.
>> ABSOLUTELY, I APPRECIATE YOU, SIR.
IT DOES A COUPLE OF MORE FOLLOW-UPS.
RIGHT NOW, THE HOUSE WOULD BE ORIENTED TO LAKEVIEW, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> YES. THAT IS TECHNICALLY THE CONSIDERED THE FRONT LINE OF THE PROPERTY GIVEN ITS GEOMETRY.
>> DO YOU HAVE A TOPO ON THIS THING BY ANY CHANCE?
I COULD PROBABLY ACQUIRE ONE IN THE INTERNET?
YEAH. YOU PUT THE ONE BACK UP.
>> I USED TO LIVE IN CROSS TIMBER HILLS AND LIVE THERE LONG TIME.
THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S ALL ONE-ACRE LOTS ARE BIGGER.
IT HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE FEEL AND CHARM,
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AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SPRINGER ON P&Z, I'D BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SETTING A PRECEDENT BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TURNING.THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE TEARING DOWN THE BUILDING.
NEWER HOMES, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT.
I THINK THAT'S GREAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS HAPPENING.
IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS THE ONLY HOUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT RIGHT NOW IN CROSS TIMBER HILLS.
I LOVE THE WAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS AND FEELS, AND I THINK WE LOVED LIVING THERE AND IT'S JUST A HUGE PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THE BIG LOTS TO SETBACKS.
UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T GET WRAPPED AROUND THIS.
>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING.
THE INTERIOR, LOTS ARE 50/20 ON EACH SIDE AND BECAUSE THIS IS A CORNER, IT'S 50/50. IS THAT CORRECT?
THE INTERIOR NON-CORNER LOTS ARE REGULATED BY JUST AN INTERIOR SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS 20 FOOT FOR THE SIDE YARDS.
THE FRONT YARD IS PLOTTED AS A 50 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK.
THE ZONING DISTRICT ITSELF WOULD ALLOW UP TO A 40 FOOT SETBACK JUST TO COMPLY WITH UNDERLYING ZONING ON THE PROPERTY.
>> JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA YEAH, MORGAN.
IF YOU WERE TO ASK ANYBODY THAT LIVES ANYWHERE NEAR THERE BECAUSE I'M SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.
WHILE LAKEVIEW IS TECHNICALLY CROSS TIMBER HILLS, MORGAN IS A VERY MAIN DRAG AND THEY'RE TEARING ALL THOSE HOUSES DOWN AND THERE ARE DEFINITELY 50 FOOT SETBACKS THAT WHOLE STREET.
THIS WOULD BE NOT CHARACTERISTIC WITH WHAT THE REST OF DEFINITELY MORGAN IS DOING.
>> I JUST FOUND I'M THINKING ABOUT BECAUSE OUR LAST HOUSE WAS A CORNER LOT ON THE THING AND WE HAD A HUGE AND I'M SURE WE WERE SUBJECT TO THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED AT THE TIME, AND I HATED THAT SIDE YARD.
IT DIDN'T GOT NO USE OR ANYTHING, AND IF THIS HOUSE FACED MORGAN, I HAVE A FEELING WE'LL BE LOOKING AT BACKING IT UP 50 OFF MORGAN AND 35 OR 40 OFF OF LAKEVIEW.
I'M HAVING SOME HEARTBURN ABOUT EVERY OTHER LOT ON LAKEVIEW IS GOING TO BE 50/20 ON EACH SIDE, AND HE'S HE WERE HOLDING HIM TO A 50/50.
>> WE'RE NOT. THE ZONING IS, BUT THAT'S ZONING ON A CORNER LIVE.
BUT THAT'S THE CASE IN EVERY CORNER LOT.
>> WELL, IT IS [OVERLAPPING] THIS SUBDIVISION IS PLOTTED AS A 50 FOOT SETBACK.
THAT'S A SETBACK PUT IN PLACE BY THE PLANT OF INSTRUMENT THAT THE DEVELOPER FILED.
OUR PLAN OF RECORD THAT THE DEVELOPER FILED AND I MEAN, CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS UP TO 40 FOOT FOR THIS ZONING DISTRICT TODAY.
>> I THINK IS WHERE THE CONFUSION IS.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR 40 EXCEPT CROSS TIMBER HILLS WAS PLOTTED AT 50.
THE PLOT TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THE ZONING, CORRECT? IN THIS SITUATION.
>> WE CAN ONLY ENFORCE THE ZONING ORDINANCE WELL [OVERLAPPING]
>> HOLD ON. THE MOST STRINGENT REGULATION CONTROLS, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT THE PLANT IS SUPERIOR TO THE ZONING IN THIS INSTANCE?
>> YEAH. I MEAN, I'M NOT WITHOUT EMPATHY TO THE SITUATION EITHER.
IT'S A CORNER LOT LIKE THIS EXISTS EVERYWHERE IN SOUTHLAKE, RIGHT?
>> CORRECT. THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN THEY'RE DONE OR EVEN CASES WHERE WE'VE HAD A FEW PLOT REVISIONS COME IN.
SITUATIONS LIKE THIS AT SOMEONE'S REQUESTED THE REDUCTION.
IT'S NOT COMMON, IT'S RARE, BUT AT THE TIME WHEN A SUBDIVISION COMES IN FOR CONSIDERATION, THE P&Z AND COUNSEL CAN CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THESE TOP CORNER LOTS ARE ALLOWED THE REDUCTION, AND THEN IT'S USUALLY PLOTTED LIKE THAT AT THE TIME THAT PLOT IS ORIGINALLY RECORDED AND THE SUBDIVISION BEGINS DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION.
>> CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE ONE THAT WE HAD UP THERE MOST OF THE TIME THAT SHOWS THE 50, 40, 30, YOU KNOW?
IT SHOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET THE PUT THIS HOUSE ORIENTED LIKE THIS AND GET TO 50, CORRECT.
JUST LOOKING AT I MEAN, IT WOULD BE ON THE VERY YOU'D HAVE NOTHING BUT FRONT YARD.
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>> I DID NOT HEAR YOUR QUESTIONS COUNCILMEMBER.
>> THE ONLY WAY YOU GET THIS HOUSE ON THIS PLOT IS TO BACK IT UP ALL THE WAY AND HAVE ESSENTIALLY NO BACKYARD IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO THE FULL 50?
>> YEAH. THAT APPEARS TO BE CORRECT, AND AS I'M JUST LOOKING, IMAGINING GEOMETRICALLY SHIFTING THAT UP, IT COULD GET ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE REAR BUILDING LINE OF 40 FEET BEFORE THE CORNER OF THIS HOUSE ACTUALLY CLEARS THE 50 FOOT SETBACK.
>> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MOVE THE CURRENT DESIGN AND GET THERE, BUT IF IT'S AN ISSUE OF GETTING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY YOU'D HAVE TO REDESIGN A BIT, BUT YOU CAN CUT OFF THAT RIGHT SIDE AND YOU GO BACK.
THERE'S A LOT MORE ROOM TOWARDS THE BACK [OVERLAPPING]
>> I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE HEARING THIS AND NOT ZBA.
>> THE ISSUE, MAYOR, IS THAT IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, THERE IS A SPECIFIC PROVISION.
I THINK IT'S ONLY NOT SOLUTION, THEN ALLOWS THE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ALLOW THE RE-DESIGNATION OF THE SIDE YARD REQUIREMENT BY OFFICIAL ACTION OF THESE TWO BODIES.
IT COULD BE SENT AS A ZONING ADMINISTRATORS INTERPRETATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
BUT THE DIFFICULTY THERE IS IN ORDER FOR THE BOARD TO GRANT A VARIANCE, THERE HAS TO BE A FINDING OF HARDSHIP AND THE HARDSHIP HAS SO BE CREATED BY THE ORDINANCE.
>> THERE HAVE TO MAKE A FINDING THAT THE PROPERTY HAS ATTRIBUTES.
>> THE ZBA WOULD GRANT THEM A VARIANCE TO THE SETBACK.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS CHANGING THE SETBACK.
>> BUT THE DIFFICULTY WE'RE FACING IS THE ZBA CAN GRANT A VARIANCE TO THE ZONING, BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH A PLATING ISSUE HERE.
THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE BOARD CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT IS SUSPECT.
>> LISTENING TO MR. TAYLOR TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE PLOT AND THE MORE RESTRICTIVE BEING CONTROLLING OR SUPERIOR.
IN THIS CASE, THE PLOTS AT THE SETBACK GREATER THAN WHAT THE ZONING IS, AND THIS IS A SUBDIVISION PLAT AND NOT A CONDITION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACT ON.
>> THE FACT THAT IT'S PLOTTED AT 50 FEET.
>> WELL, I MEAN, THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT THIS HOUSE ON THE SLIDE? IF WE DO, THEN WE'LL CHANGE THE SETBACK.
>> BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SETTING A PRESIDENT, CORRECT?
>> I MEAN, WE'RE RESETTING EXPECTATIONS MAYBE FOR THE NEXT PERSON WHO COMES.
>> I MEAN, THIS DOES FEEL VERY MUCH LIKE THE USE ON ZBA.
I'VE BEEN IN THIS EXACT SITUATION BEFORE AND I'VE SEEN DOZENS OF THESE.
I FEEL LIKE TO COUNCILMAN ROBBIN'S POINT, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET CERTAINLY THIS HOUSE.
I'M ASSUMING ABOUT ASKING SOMEONE TO REDESIGN A HOUSE WHEN IN REALITY, I DON'T THINK WE GET TO A SUCCESSFUL RESULT.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE GET 50 ON BOTH SIDES.
I MEAN THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE 50 ON BOTH SIDES.
>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT YOU CAN APPLY THAT LINE OF REASONING TO ANY LAW IN SOUTHLAKE.
I WANT A BIGGER HOUSE THAN THE LAW ALLOWS, SO GIVE ME A RELIEF FROM THE BUILD LINES.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT STOPS.
>> NO, I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT I MEAN, TO THAT POINT, IF WE OBSERVE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS BEING SET BACK 50 FEET TO COUNCILMAN ROBBINS' POINT BUT TO SAY THE SIDE YARD ALSO HAS TO BE 50 FEET JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A QUOTE AND QUOTE I GET THAT.
>> NO, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING RONELL.
I GUESS MY ISSUE IS I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO GO INTO THIS EYES WIDE OPEN WHEN YOU ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY AND KNOW THAT'S MY SETBACKS.
OR IF IT'S LONG-TERM OWNERSHIP AND YOU SAY I'M GOING TO KNOCK A HOUSE DOWN AND REBUILD, YOU HAVE TO GO TO YOUR ARCHITECT WITH, THESE ARE THE SETBACKS.
BECAUSE I'M EMPATHETIC TO THE APPLICANT, BUT I'M ALSO EMPATHETIC TO ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTS OF THOSE STREETS AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE HELD TO A DIFFERENT.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHATEVER THAT STREET, MORGAN, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE ONE HOUSE SETTING 15 FEET CLOSER TO THE STREET? IT JUST DON'T SEEM FAIR TO EVERYONE ELSE TOO.
>> WHY 35? WHY NOT 20? IF WE'RE GOING TO TREAT THAT AS A SIDE YARD THEN GIVE THEM 20.
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>> I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU USE TO ME REASON AND SAY TO ME, I'M ASKING, CAN WE GET TO 40 MAYBE? WHICH IS THE ZONING PIECE, NOT NECESSARILY THE PLATTER PEACE, BUT WHAT DOES IT DO TO GET TO 40? I THINK YOU STILL SAVE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE BACKYARD.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE FARTHER OFF OF LAKE VIEW.
IS THERE ROOM FOR COMPROMISE? BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO LOOK HERE AT HOW MANY CORNER WATCH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT HAVE THIS BECAUSE THE OTHER PIECES HE'S FIGHTING IS IT DOES HAVE A CUT-IN, SO THE FRONT PIECES IS MORE NARROW THAN THE BACK PIECE.
I GUESS YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST TURN THE HOUSE AND FACE MORGAN AND BACK IT OFF 50.
I WAS IN MY HEAD GOING IF THE ZONING IS 40, BUT THE PLAT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE, FINE, THAT'S HOW THEY DID THAT IN THAT SUBDIVISION, BUT THE 40 AT LEAST IS A REASONABLE CONVERSATION.
IT'S MORE DOABLE, BUT IT STILL SETS A BIT MORE OF A PRECEDENCE.
BUT THE 40, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT CHART IN FRONT OF US, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY GET THERE WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS.
EVEN IF IT'S JUST SHRINKING YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE BY A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU CAN EASILY GET THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE BACK A LITTLE BIT DEEPER IN THE PROPERTY.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING EVERYBODY IS GOING TO VOTE FOR THAT.
I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING IT'S A CONSIDERATION.
>> THAT'S MY LOGIC POINT. I MEAN, 20 FEET, I DON'T THINK IS REASONABLE.
>> WELL, WE'RE TREATING IT AS A SIDEYARD.
>> THE PROBLEM IS IT'S NOT A SIDEYARD.
I MEAN, IT'S A MAIN CORNER LOT.
IT'S ON A MAIN DRAG OUT TO RANDALL MILL, WHERE ALL THOSE HOMES ARE BEING TORN DOWN AND EVERYBODY'S SITTING BACK.
THEY'RE SETBACK A LOT OFF MORGAN.
THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS ONE HOME THAT'S REALLY UP THERE.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY REALLY NICE HOME, I THINK IT'S RECENTLY ACQUIRED.
WHILE I'M SENSITIVE TO THE HOMEOWNER WANTING A NICE NEW, BIG HOME, I REALLY THINK THAT YOU'D GO INTO IT, LIKE YOU SAID, EYES WIDE OPEN AND WORK WITH YOUR ARCHITECT TO HONOR THE SETBACKS, ESPECIALLY IN A NICE PREMIERE CORNER LOT.
I JUST KNOW THAT IT'S A TURNOVER NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE OF THESE.
MAN, I REALLY DON'T WANT EVERY CORNER ALL UP AND DOWN LAKEVIEW WITH HOMES, RIGHT UP AND US CALLING THEM SIDE YARDS WHEN IT'S REALLY A CORNER LOT.
WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE OF THESE. THEY'RE COMING ACROSS DENVER HILLS.
>> I MEAN, JUST DOWN LAKEVIEW, YOU GOT KINGSWOOD 1, 2? YOU'VE GOT.
>> IT IS A CORNER LOT, BUT IT IS A SIDE YARD.
I MEAN, A HOUSE HAS TO HAVE A SIDE YARD.
I'M SPEAKING FROM HAVING LIVED IN ONE AND SEEMED TO LIKE IN MY OPINION, THE WASTE OF THAT YARD AND JUST HOW IT FELT EVEN DRIVING BY BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHAT YOU DO IS YOU JUST PLANT IN GRASS AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE. I'M FINE WITH 40.
>> IT IS A SIDEYARD. I MEAN, OUR STAFF REPORT CALLS IT THE SIDE YARD, SO IT'S JUST THAT HAPPENS TO BE A CORNER LOT, BUT MAYBE, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION OR I CAN MAKE THE MOTION WITH THE 40 FOOT PROPOSAL.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
LET'S SEE WHERE THAT GOES AND IF IT DOESN'T PASS THEN, WE CAN DO IT DIFFERENT WAYS.
HOW WE WANT TO DO IT STRAIGHT UP OR STRAIGHT DOWN OR WITH THE 40.
>> SHOULD WE ASK THE APPLICANT IF IT'S ALL DONE ON FOR HIM?
>> SURE. SIR, DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP?
>> YOU CAN HEAR THE DELIBERATION, THE TENSION.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S AT LEAST SOME SUPPORT, NOT SURE IF IT'S A MAJORITY, BUT SOME SUPPORT FOR THE IDEA OF 40.
>> [NOISE] WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR ANYTHING WE CAN HAVE.
A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I REALLY APPRECIATED IS, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A WORRY ABOUT PRECEDENTS IN THIS AND IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT PROHIBITIVE FOR 50 AND A 50 OR A CORNER FOR ANYBODY, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A SKINNY ONE AT THE BOTTOM AND IT'S FATTER AT THE TOP AS SOMEBODY SAID, YOU'D HAVE TO REALLY SHOVE THE HOUSE OR HAVE A LONG SKINNY HOUSE WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE BIT LESS ATTRACTIVE, I GUESS.
ON THAT SIDE, WE FELT LIKE WE WERE BEING FAIR WITH JUST ASKING FOR 35.
LIKE YOU SAID, THE 40 IS A PRECEDENCE IN THE ZONING AND THERE'S A LOT OF TREES THERE.
I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO FEEL LIKE IT'S THAT CLOSE. IT'S JUST MY OPINION.
BUT TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE 40 I MEAN, YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT.
WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND REARRANGE SOME THINGS.
BUT YOU CAN SEE, I THINK IT'S DOABLE.
WE'RE WELL DEEPER THAN THE 50 ON THE FRONT, SO WE'RE MORE THAN MEETING THAT PRETTY CLEARLY.
>> WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE LOT?
>> IT'S ONE ACRE. JUST ABOUT EXACTLY. YES, MA'AM.
WE LOVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WE LOVE THE TREES, WE LOVE THE WAY THAT THEY ARE SETBACK AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I JUST THINK ON THE PRECEDENTS, IT'S AN UNUSUAL SITUATION.
I THINK THAT YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF FACTS THAT WOULD BE JUST THE SAME IN ORDER FOR SOMEBODY TO TRY TO CARRY THAT ARGUMENT.
>> UNDERSTOOD. IT'S JUST TOUGH.
THESE THINGS ARE HARD BECAUSE PEOPLE DO LOOK TO WHAT WE DO AND KEY OFF OF IT.
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BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS. THANK YOU, SIR.>> IF YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON 40, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.
SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S POTENTIALLY SOME SUPPORT FOR 40.
IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO TRY VOTE ON?
>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 9D, CASE NUMBER ZA23-0007, PLANT REVISION FOR LOT 7 HOUR BLOCK 6, CROSS TIMBER HILLS PHASE 3 EDITION BEING A REVISION OF LOT 7, BLOCK 6 CROSS TIMBER HILLS PHASE 3 EDITION AND ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, CARROLL COUNTY, TEXAS, LOCATED AT 1352 LAKEVIEW DRIVE IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.
SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 28TH, 2023 AND REVISE PLAT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 1 DATED MARCH 17TH, 2023, NOTING THAT WE'RE GRANTING BUILDING LINE REDUCTION FROM 50 FEET TO 40 FEET AND NOT THE 35 FEET REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT ON THE SIDE ADJACENT TO MORGAN ROAD.
>> WE HAVE MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND?
THAT MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO THREE.
MIGHT BE OUR FIRST FOUR TO THREE VOTE COUNCIL, MY GOODNESS.
ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH US.
I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.
WITH THAT, WE ARE TO THE END OF OUR MEETING AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
[NOISE]
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.