[1. Call to Order.]
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GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. IT'S 6:21 P.M.
HERE. CITY OF SOUTHLAKE TOWN HALL ON APRIL 6TH.
WELCOME TO OUR SIGN BOARD MEETING THIS EVENING.
SO HOPEFULLY MOVE THINGS ALONG.
DENNIS, DO WE HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS TO KICK TONIGHT OFF? NO COMMENTS THIS EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
[5. Consider: Approving the minutes from the March 23, 2023, Sign Board Meeting.]
BOARD MEETING. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THOSE NOTES BEFORE WE TAKE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA.I HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE, PLEASE.
ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO.
THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REMAINING ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.
[6. Consider: SV23-0006, Sign Variance for Flexeserve located at 415 S. Kimbali Avenue, Suite 160 (Suite B), Southlake, Texas.]
ITEM NUMBER SIX, SIGN VARIANCE FOR FLEXESERVE.I BELIEVE IT IS OFF SOUTH KIMBALL AVENUE.
AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH A STAFF REPORT.
GOOD EVENING. PRIORITY SIGNS AND GRAPHICS IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THE SIGN ORDINANCE FOR ATTACHED BUILDING SIGN FOR ONE ATTACHED BUILDING SIGN AND FOR WINDOWS SIGNS FOR FLEXESERVE AT 415 SOUTH KIMBALL AVENUE, SUITE 160.
THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE LOCATION.
THEY HAVE THE REAR PORTION OF THIS BUILDING HERE.
THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN SHOWING THEIR SIGNS.
THEY HAVE ONE ATTACHED BUILDING SIGN.
AND THEN THESE OTHER SIGNS ARE OUR WINDOW SIGNS.
THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION SHOWING THE ATTACHED BUILDING SIGN AND THE WINDOW SIGNS.
AND FOR THIS ATTACHED BUILDING SIGN, THE MAXIMUM LETTER HEIGHT THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED IS 14IN, BECAUSE THIS SIGN IS FACING AN INTERNAL DRIVE AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A MAXIMUM LETTER HEIGHT OF 21IN.
AND THAT 21IN IS FOR THE F AND THE L, THE REMAINING LETTERS ARE JUST UNDER 15IN.
AND THIS IS AN ILLUMINATED SIGN.
OTHERWISE, THE SIGN EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE SIGN MEETS THE ORDINANCE.
AND THIS IS WHAT THE SIGN WILL LOOK LIKE AT NIGHT.
THIS IS JUST SHOWING THESE THE WINDOW SIGNS ON THIS ELEVATION.
THE WINDOW SIGNS ON THIS ELEVATION ACTUALLY MEET THE ORDINANCE.
BUT JUST SHOWING THESE HERE TO SHOW THE FULL PACKAGE.
ON THE EAST ELEVATION, THERE IS A VARIANCE REQUIRED FOR THE WINDOW SIGNS.
THE MAXIMUM AREA THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED ON THIS SIDE IS JUST OVER 51FT².
AND THEIR REQUESTING A MAXIMUM AREA OF 96FT².
ALSO ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, THE WINDOW SIGNS EXCEED THEIR ALLOWABLE AREA.
THEY'RE ALLOWED JUST OVER 34FT².
AND THE MAXIMUM AREA THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS 98FT².
AND THEN THIS IS JUST A ADJACENT SIGNS.
THERE IS A MONUMENT SIGN, BUT IT'S NOT A MULTI-TENANT MONUMENT SIGN.
YOU CAN SEE BACK HERE, IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR, BUT THERE IS A SIGN HERE FOR THE FLAGSHIP.
THIS IS A CLOSER VIEW OF THE FLAGSHIP SIGN.
AND THEN THIS IS ANOTHER SIGN IN THAT SAME OFFICE COMPLEX.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY SIGNS IN THAT OFFICE COMPLEX CURRENTLY.
JUST THE MONUMENT SIGN FOR KIMBALL HEIGHTS JUST DOWN THE ROAD.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IT'S JUST THOSE FIRST TWO LETTERS THAT ARE OUTSIZED.
SO THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED 14 INCH LETTERS.
SO THE SMALLER LETTERS ARE A LITTLE BIG, TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE NEARLY 15IN.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS? OKAY. THANK YOU.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
COLE CARNEY WITH PRIORITY SIGNS.
YES, SIR. IT IS 2865 MARKET LOOP SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT TONIGHT? OTHER THAN JUST BEING TO FILL THE WINDOW SPACE THERE, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS WINDOW SIGN? THE PURPOSE OF THE WINDOW SIGN IS TO BASICALLY DRAW ATTENTION TO MY CUSTOMER.
SHE'S CONSTANTLY HAVING TO CHASE DOWN ANY DELIVERIES FOR THEMSELVES OR CUSTOMERS.
SHE USUALLY HAS TO KIND OF GO DOWN THE BLOCK AND WAVE THEM DOWN.
SO IT'S TO HELP DRAW ATTENTION.
THE BUILDING SIGN, AS IT IS NOW, IS A LITTLE SMALL.
THAT WAS REALLY KIND OF THE MINIMUM THAT WE COULD FABRICATE IT AT.
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AND AS FAR AS THE WINDOW SIGNAGE GOES, I KNOW IT CALLS OUT FOR I THINK IT WAS 98FT² ON SOME OF THOSE.BUT THIS IS NOT FULL COVERAGE VINYL.
BUT IT IS BLACK OVER THE BACKGROUND, RIGHT? THAT'S THE TINT FROM THE WINDOW.
SO THE ACTUAL WINDOW SIGNAGE IS THE ARROWS CORRECT? AND WHAT DOES THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE? IS THERE A BUSINESS INTEREST ENTRANCE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, OR IS THAT JUST FOR FREIGHT AND EMPLOYEES? AS OF RIGHT NOW, ON THE REAR ENTRANCE, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE NORTH ENTRANCE.
YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY. YEAH, PERFECT.
PERFECT. YEAH. SO THIS IS WHERE THEY WOULD WHERE DELIVERIES WOULD COME AROUND TO THE BACKSIDE.
AND IT JUST KIND OF HELPS STAND OUT FROM THE OTHER TENANTS.
AND A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS IN THIS AREA, THEY'RE ALL IDENTICAL.
SO IT KIND OF HELPS STAND OUT FROM THE OTHER TENANTS.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO IDENTIFY THE ADDRESS ON THIS NORTH SIDE OTHER THAN THIS SO THAT IT WOULD HELP WITH DELIVERIES OR WHATEVER? I MEAN, IS IT JUST THE SUITE NUMBER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE ADDRESS IS ON THE DRIVE SIDE FACING ON THE SOUTH WHERE THE MAIN ENTRY IS, AND THAT'S THE ADDRESS FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
OKAY. THE SUITE NUMBER IS, LET'S SEE HERE.
THE SUITE NUMBER WOULD BE HERE ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION WHERE THE MAIN ENTRY WOULD BE.
THANKS. WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS IS THIS? IT IS A HOT HOLDINGS COMPANY.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO THEY SPECIALIZE IN THE EQUIPMENT THAT HELPS KEEP FOOD WARM.
FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE CINEMARK'S OR MOVIE THEATERS, POPCORN MACHINES, STUFF LIKE THAT.
NOT MUCH RETAIL. IT'S MOSTLY THEIR SHIPMENTS THAT THEY GET IN, CUSTOMERS THAT COME IN WANTING TO DISCUSS OR CLOSE DEALS, STUFF LIKE THAT FOR UPCOMING PROJECTS.
OKAY. AND WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THERE WOULDN'T BE A REASON TO CHANGE OUT THE WINDOW SIGNS.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE APPROVE THIS, THIS IS ALL IT'S GOING TO BE AS LONG AS THE BUSINESS IS THERE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW HOW IN SOME RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS THEY'LL CHANGE OUT THE WINDOW SIGNS WITH DIFFERENT PROMOTIONS AND ALL THAT? YES. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THOSE ARE ON. AND THEY'RE STAYING ON.
I SEEM TO RECALL READING THAT, THOUGH, THAT THIS IS ACCESS TO THEM IS BY APPOINTMENT ONLY, CORRECT? I'D HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT WITH MY CUSTOMER, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
OKAY. WELL, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IN RETAIL BEING A DRAW FOR CUSTOMERS TO KNOW WHERE THEY NEED TO GO AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE THEY NEED TO GO. AND IN THIS CASE, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO APPLY.
SO THAT'S I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IF WE NEED YOU BACK UP HERE WE'LL CALL YOU BACK.
I GUESS WE CAN SEE HOW EVERYBODY FEELS.
I'M ACTUALLY OKAY WITH THIS LIMITED VISIBILITY.
HAPPY TO HAVE A BUSINESS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE AND SEEMS LIKE A MINOR VARIANCE TO ME, AND I PROBABLY WOULD FAVOR THE IT DOESN'T CHANGE FROM WHAT WE APPROVE APPROACH IN TERMS OF THAT WAY THEY CAN'T PUT UP A CLOWN SIGN OR SOMETHING LIKE I WOULD AGREE. BUT ANY OTHER THOUGHTS AS WELL? FEEL FREE TO PUSH BACK OR WAIT.
I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING HOW OUR DELIVERY DRIVER IS GOING TO KNOW THAT THIS MEANS FLEXESERVE.
I MEAN, THE UPS DRIVER ISN'T GOING TO KNOW THAT.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT IN TERMS OF THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS LEASING UP, THEN HOW DOES HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH IT? WELL, THAT'S PART OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT WAS WOULD I WANT A REQUEST OR AN APPLICATION THAT HAD LIKE EVEN MORE SIGNS ALL OVER IT ON EACH FACING OF THIS BUILDING, OR WOULD I
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RATHER HAVE SOMETHING LIKE MORE DECORATIVE ON A WINDOW? AND I DON'T KNOW.AND THIS TO ME IS NOT A CASE OF, GOSH, HOW DO I FIND THIS BUSINESS? THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO THIS BUSINESS KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
THEY KNOW FOR WHAT PURPOSE THEY'RE GOING.
AND TO ME, I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENT ABOUT WANTING TO DIFFERENTIATE A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT THE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE PARK LOOK LIKE, BUT THIS SEEMS TO ME A BIT OVER THE TOP.
CAN THEY ADD THE COMPANY'S NAME ON THE DOOR OR SOMETHING WHERE THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, ON THE BACK DOOR WHERE THEY'RE SAYING THE DELIVERIES GO? YOU SAID I THINK THEY SAID THEY HAD THE SUITE NUMBER ON THE FRONT, BUT COULD THEY HAVE THE COMPANY'S NAME PAINTED ON THE DOOR OR SOMETHING? DENNIS I GUESS, YEAH OR STAFF, I GUESS, IS THAT IF IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED IN THIS APPLICATION, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS CAN THEY, COULD THEY DO IT? AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THIS THE BUILDING OR SINCE THEY'VE MOVED IN THERE, BUT TYPICALLY ON THE EMERGENCY AND REAR DOORS, THERE'LL BE AN ADDRESS NUMBER, A SUITE NUMBER, IF FOR NOTHING ELSE, TO HELP EMERGENCY SERVICES FIND THEIR WAY AROUND ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING AND WHAT ENTRIES THEY'RE GOING TO.
AND THE SIGN ORDINANCE THE 10% PROVISION WOULD ALLOW WINDOW SIGNAGE OF THE FLEXESERVE AND REALLY UP TO THE 10% OF THE CUMULATIVE AREA OF THE WINDOWS WITH WHATEVER GRAPHICS.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR DO WE WANT TO? I'M FINE WITH THEIR LOGO SIGN THEY HAVE AND THAT BEING OVERSIZE IS NOT TOO BAD.
BUT YOU KNOW I'M KIND OF THE SAME IDEA THAT OR THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS THAT'S LIKE IS THIS REALLY GOING TO HELP? SO I'M KIND OF TORN BETWEEN WHETHER THIS IS A NECESSARY OR NOT.
WELL, MAYBE WE CAN ENTERTAIN THE MOTION OF OUR ESTEEMED VICE CHAIR HERE AND SEE, I GUESS WITH SIX OF US NOW, I GUESS WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE FIRST.
AND IF IT ENDS IN A TIE, YOU CAN REFRESH ME AGAIN, I THINK, ON WHAT WE DO IN THAT CASE.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND WE CAN JUST ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A SIGN.
I CAN SEE THE GALLERIES PACKED.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA, SB 23-0006, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 31ST, 2023, AND NOTING RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF ALL THE VARIANCES AND SUGGESTING TO THE APPLICANT THAT THEY PERHAPS TAKE A DIFFERENT OPTION WITH RESPECT TO THE WINDOW SIGN BEFORE COUNCIL.
AND DO WE WANT TO ALSO CAVEAT THAT THAT CANNOT BE? YES. AND ALSO NOTING THAT THE WINDOW SIGN THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED, WE RECOMMEND THAT IT CANNOT BE CHANGED ABSENT COMING BACK TO THE SIGN BOARD . THAT WE'RE GOOD.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND GIVE IT A VOTE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
ALL RIGHT. THREE, THREE. THIS IS WHAT I WAS AFRAID OF.
SO I CAN ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION THAT WOULD ACHIEVE A MAJORITY.
IF ONE CANNOT BE ENTERTAINED, THEN THIS WOULD MOVE FORWARD.
THIS VOTE ISN'T RIGHT BECAUSE I VOTED YES AND IT'S SHOWING ME AS A NO.
OKAY. CAN I CALL FOR A REVOTE? I GUESS. YOU MAY CALL FOR A REVOTE.
AND I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE TO RESTATE THE MOTION AGAIN.
ARE WE GOOD ON THAT? YEAH, YOU'RE GOOD ON IT.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE YES OR VOTE AGAINST IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
CAN WE CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE? DID YOU GET STUCK WITH SPRINGER'S VOTING MACHINE HERE? WHICH. YEAH, SPRINGER'S AUTOMATICALLY VOTES NO FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM.
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DO WE WANT TO JUST DO A VOICE VOTE REAL QUICK? OKAY, LET'S CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE FOR THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW.WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO DOWN THE.
I BELIEVE DID I COUNT THAT RIGHT.
DO WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN? I GUESS MAYBE THOSE WHO VOTED NO.
DO YOU WANT TO MAYBE THROW OUT YOUR FIRST SET OF TWEAKS TO SEE IF THAT CAN GARNER MORE? WELL, AND THAT'S THE REASON I'M VOTING NO.
AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THEIR LOGO SIGN THE LIGHTED SIGN.
SO I COULDN'T VOTE YES TO SAY THAT I WANTED FOR EVERYTHING TO BE PASSED.
OKAY. AND ON THOSE WHAT ARE YOU WANTING TO SEE? NOTHING. NOTHING.
OKAY. SO ON THE OTHER OPPOSITION, I GUESS, IS THAT SIMILAR FOR YOU OR? YES, THAT'S RIGHT. I WOULD WANT THEM TO STAY WITHIN THE ORDINANCE FOR THE WINDOW SIGNS.
OKAY. AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER PHALEN.
OKAY. SO ARE YOU SAYING, THOUGH, THAT THEY CAN HAVE THE WINDOWS SIGNS, THEY JUST NEED TO BE AT THE MAXIMUM AREA THAT'S APPROVED IN THE ORDINANCE? SO BASICALLY, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT'S INHERENT.
AND SO I GUESS IN THAT SITUATION IF I GUESS SOMEONE VOTES FOR THAT MOTION, THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
AND IF SO, IF YOU IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO HAVE A MAJORITY VOTE, MOVE FORWARD.
IF YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE VOTING, YOU CAN CLARIFY YOUR POSITION AND VOTE YES OR NO IF YOU WISH TO.
BUT AT A MINIMUM, I THINK WE KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS HERE.
SO I GUESS I'D SAY IF YOU'RE FINE WITH THE LAST MOTION, YOU'RE FINE WITH THIS ONE, VOTE FOR IT.
DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? YEAH, AND I'M FINE GOING WITH THE OTHER.
SO I THINK WE JUST GOT TO GET IT TO COUNCIL.
ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A SECOND MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA, SUBJECT TO STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 31ST, 2023.
AND CLARIFYING THIS IS CASE NUMBER SB 23-0006 AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION ATTACHED TO BUILDING SIGN RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE EAST ELEVATION AND NORTH ELEVATION WINDOW SIGNS, BUT NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT CAN BRING THE OPTION FOR THOSE WINDOW SIGNS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL FOR THEIR UP OR DOWN VOTE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.
SUPPORT. YOU SUPPORT THAT MOTION? SUPPORT. SUPPORT.
AND OF COURSE, MY OBJECTION IS I'M FINE WITH HOW IT WAS PRESENTED.
IT'LL BE NOTED WHICH ONE HAD A 3 3 VOTE, WHICH ONE HAD A 5 1 VOTE.
STAFF WILL EXPLAIN THAT TO THEM.
AND THEN LIKE VICE CHAIRMAN SAID, COUNCIL WILL DO WHAT COUNCIL DOES.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL CALL OUR 20 MINUTE SIGN BOARD MEETING SOMEHOW 20 MINUTES ON THAT CASE
TO A CLOSE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.