Aug 17, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission

[1. Call to Order]

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ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

6:31 P.M..

HERE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE TOWN HALL.

WELCOME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR AUGUST 17TH, 2023.

APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT THIS EVENING.

GOT A FEW A COUPLE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS REAL QUICK.

JUST A HEADS UP. IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE HERE FOR ITEM NINE, WHICH IS A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR BROWN LANE, THAT ITEM IS GOING TO BE TABLED LATER TONIGHT.

SO LUCKY YOU GET TO GO HOME.

THE OTHER FEW OTHER THINGS HERE, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO MOVE ITEMS SEVEN AND EIGHT UP IN FRONT OF ITEM NUMBER SIX.

SORRY, ITEM NUMBER SIX, BUT YOU HAVE A REPUTATION FOR FILIBUSTERING AT THE MICROPHONE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THOSE OTHER ITEMS UP IN FRONT OF THAT.

BUT THEY SHOULD BE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD STAFF, I GUESS.

ARE THERE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS YOU WANT TO MAKE? NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY.

[3. Administrative Comments]

SPRINGER, ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT REALLY A DR.

MICHAEL SPRINGER. HE'S BEEN ON HERE 20 YEARS, PREDATES THE FORMER MAYOR.

WE'VE EVEN GOT OUT IN THE GALLERY TONIGHT, SO.

OH, OKAY. SO HE'S A CONSTANT MOVING HISTORY LESSON HERE.

IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE THE LAST 20 YEARS.

YOU KNOW, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THIS IS A VOLUNTEER POSITION.

YOU PUT IN A LOT OF TIME AND HOURS.

IT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED, CERTAINLY BY I KNOW US IN TERMS OF BRINGING OUT CONSISTENCY IN OUR PROCESS AND BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST PROBABLY AS GOOD AS STAFF CAN KIND OF DRAWING OUT PAST PRECEDENTS, DIFFERENT CASES AND KIND OF CONNECTING ALL THE DOTS.

SO WE'RE BEING CONSISTENT.

SO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL THE THE HOURS THAT YOU'VE PUT TOWARDS THIS.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S MY DUTY TO THE COMMITTEE COMMUNITY TO DO THAT.

AND AS LONG AS I'M BEING EFFECTIVE AND CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T DECIDE TO RUN ME OFF, I'LL TRY TO BE HERE.

WELL, SPEAKING OF CITY COUNCIL, THEY PASSED ALONG TO ME A CERTIFICATE OF CONGRATULATIONS HERE SIGNED BY THEM ALL, THE MAYOR AND ALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE HERE, WHICH THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS DO INCLUDE.

THREE FORMER MEMBERS OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WHICH I WAS TOLD TO NOTE THAT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO ACT LIKE WE'RE CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT AND WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A PICTURE.

SO, YEAH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS OVER WITH NOW.

SO YOU CAN EITHER STAY THERE, WE CAN COME AROUND YOU, OR YOU CAN COME DOWN HERE, WHATEVER YOU WANT DOWN THERE.

OKAY. WELL, WE'RE ALL HEAD DOWN THERE BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO GO DOWN THERE BY MYSELF.

AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

OH, OKAY.

I THINK.

I KNOW.

AND I'D BE REMISS IF ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS UP HERE WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS TO THEM IN QUASI FORM OF A ROAST OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO OPEN MIC NOW.

YEAH, I WON'T TAKE VERY LONG.

I WILL JUST ECHO WHAT THE CHAIRMAN SAID.

I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO WORK WITH DR.

SPRINGER FOR 10 OR 12 YEARS AND HE GETS CREDIT FOR NAMING HIM DR.

SPRINGER THAT'S RIGHT. I WILL TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT NAMING.

AND I WOULD JUST POINT OUT AS WELL THAT DR.

SPRINGER IS A LEGEND ON THE SIGN BOARD, THE ONE AND ONLY.

JUST PROTECTING MY CITY.

TAKE YOUR DUTY SERIOUSLY. YEAH, I ECHO THE SAME COMMENTS AND I DON'T THINK I'M ELOQUENT ENOUGH FOR A GOOD ROAST.

BUT I'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM YOU.

AND THANKS FOR WELCOMING ME ON THIS AND KIND OF SHOWING ME THE WAY.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT'LL APPRECIATE EVERYBODY INDULGING US THERE.

DEFINITELY WANT TO SHOW THE APPRECIATION WHERE IT'S DESERVED AND DO.

AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE SERVICE.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON IN OUR REGULAR AGENDA HERE.

[5. Consider: Approval of the minutes for the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on August 3, 2023.]

CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR MEETING HELD ON AUGUST 3RD.

EVERYBODY'S BEEN PROVIDED A COPY.

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WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA.

A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY, LET'S VOTE, PLEASE.

AND MOTION PASSES.

FIVE ONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOW WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.

AND WE'RE GOING TO START WITH ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT WILL BE TABLED THIS EVENING.

IT'S AN ITEM, A ZONING CHANGE CONCEPT PLAN ON BROWN LANE, SO I WILL DEFER AGAIN TO MY ESTEEMED VICE CHAIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE ITEM NUMBER NINE ON THE AGENDA, A 20 300 35 TO OUR SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2023 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE, PLEASE.

AND PASSES.

SIX. OH, THERE WE GO.

GOT THERE. EVENTUALLY. OKAY.

NOW, AS I STATED EARLIER, WE'RE GOING TO SKIP ITEM NUMBER SIX BRIEFLY.

[7. Consider: ZA23-0046, Site Plan for Clariden Ranch School ]

SO WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS A SITE PLAN FOR CLARENDON RANCH SCHOOL.

GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS FIRST ITEM, AS WE DISCUSSED IN OUR WORK SESSION, IS A SITE PLAN FOR A COVERED WALKWAY BETWEEN TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE SITE OF THE CLARENDON SCHOOL AT THE CORNER OF CLARENDON RANCH ROAD AND NORTH WHITECHAPEL BOULEVARD.

THESE ARE THE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE SITE.

THIS COVERED WALKWAY WILL BE IN BETWEEN THESE TWO SOUTHERN BUILDINGS.

THIS IS A KIND OF A GENERAL SITE PLAN OF THE AREA SHOWING THE CONNECTION.

AND THESE ARE THE PLANS FOR THE ACTUAL WALKWAY THEMSELVES.

INCLUDING ELEVATIONS.

THERE HAVE BEEN NO RESPONSES RECEIVED AS OF MEETING TIME.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? AND REAGAN MADE AN IMPORTANT POINT.

WE DID GO THROUGH THIS ALREADY IN MORE DETAIL IN OUR PLANNING MEETING EARLIER.

SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN ABBREVIATED PRESENTATION.

BUT ANY QUESTIONS FOR REAGAN ON THIS ONE? FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD IN TERMS OF JUST THE CANOPY PLANS.

GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU.

REAGAN MISS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THIS PROJECT THIS EVENING.

OKAY. I GUESS I'D JUST SAY.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M GLAD YOU DID SHOW UP.

THAT IS ONE OF OUR REQUESTS.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. BUT NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

SO I'D SAY HOLD TIGHT AND IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU UP.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

AND SEEING NO ONE.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS FOR EITHER THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? LIBERATION. OKAY. WELL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA, WSA 20 3-0046, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 11TH, 2023, AND ALSO SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN REVIEW.

SUMMARY NUMBER ONE, DATED JULY 21ST, 2023.

HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY.

LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE.

PASSES. SIX ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH I THINK WILL BE SEPTEMBER 5TH.

IS THAT RIGHT? CITY COUNCIL.

SEPTEMBER 5TH FOR COUNCIL? YES, SEPTEMBER 5TH FOR COUNCIL, IF YOU MAKE THAT MEETING.

SO GOOD LUCK. APPRECIATE IT.

NOW WE'LL CALL THE NEXT ITEM UP.

[8. Consider: ZA23-0047, Plat Revision for Lot 20R, T.M. Hood No. 706 Addition]

AH, GO AHEAD.

STAFF AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WE REVIEWED IN MORE DETAIL IN OUR WORK SESSION EARLIER.

SO I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY JUST STOP ON THE SITE PLAN AND I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY SEE IF THERE'S MAYBE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD.

RAGAN NO, SIR, SIMPLY A PLAT REVISION OF A RECENTLY THE TRACK TO THE NORTH WAS ALREADY ZONED OR THE LOT TO THE NORTH WAS ALREADY ZONED.

THE THREE TRACKS TO THE SOUTH WERE NOT ZONED RECENTLY APPROVED.

HERE'S THE CONCEPT PLAN IN JUNE AND HERE'S THE PLAT REVISION TO BRING THE TRACT AND TRACKS AND LOT TOGETHER AS ONE LOT.

THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL PRIOR APPROVALS? YES, SIR. IT IS CONSISTENT TO THE ZONING OF THE SITE.

YES, SIR. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

IS THE ITEM ON OR THE APPLICANT ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HERE THIS EVENING? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

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ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

DO ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM AND SEEING NO.

ONE. GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? I THINK I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.

I REALLY APPRECIATE SEEING LOTS COMING TOGETHER RATHER THAN BEING SPLIT.

SO THIS IS A WELCOME IMPROVEMENT.

DULY NOTED ON THE RECORD.

AND I APPRECIATE APPLICANTS THAT SHOW UP EVEN IF THEY DON'T GET CALLED ON BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT PROBLEM SOMETIMES.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

I GUESS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN. I MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA ZA 23-0047, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 11TH, 2023, AND ALSO SUBJECT TO OUR REVISED PLAT REVIEW.

SUMMARY NUMBER TWO, DATED AUGUST 11TH, 2023.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

GO AND VOTE, PLEASE.

AND PASSES SIX ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK AT THAT NEXT MEETING, SEPTEMBER 5TH, I THINK IT WAS.

ASSUMING YOU MAKE THE DOCKET TIME.

SO NOW THE LAST ITEM ON OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA.

STICK AROUND FOR SIGN BOARD AFTERWARDS IF YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF LOCAL CITY GOVERNMENT.

BUT THIS IS ITEM NUMBER SIX CONSIDERATION ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR KIRWAN PARK.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND JUST DO THE FULL PRESENTATION ON THIS ONE, JUST GIVEN THE INTEREST.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND COMMISSION THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

ITEM SIX IS A ZONING CHANGE AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CARILLON PARC .

HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE IN QUESTION.

FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED USE AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS SEC.

HERE'S THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWING OBVIOUSLY THE PROPOSED LAYOUT FOR THE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE.

ALTHOUGH THIS IS INTERESTING TO LOOK AT, THIS MAY BE A LITTLE MORE INTERESTING FOR EVERYONE HERE.

WE HAVE A SLIGHT REARRANGING OF THE BUILDINGS, ALTHOUGH ALL OF THE USES ARE REMAINING THE SAME AS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

WE HAVE HERE A MIX OF OFFICE AND RETAIL, INCLUDING A GARAGE PERHAPS PROPOSED IN THIS BUILDING.

A MIX OF HOTEL AND RETAIL HERE.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THE SIMILARITIES, INCLUDING THE RESTAURANTS REMAINING IN THE SAME LOCATION.

ONE OF THE NOTED CHANGES IS A COMBINING OF TWO BUILDINGS INTO ONE.

OF COURSE, THIS IS, AGAIN, A MIXED USE RETAIL RESTAURANT AND GARAGE SPACE.

AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL LOFT BUILDING, WHICH WOULD AGAIN INCLUDE RESTAURANTS, PARKING, GARAGE PARKING SPACES AND OF COURSE, THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED PERMITTED 50 RESIDENTIAL LOFTS FOR THAT BUILDING.

UH, ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES YOU'LL NOTE IS, OF COURSE, FOR NOW, IT'LL STILL BE A PERMITTED USE IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED, PERHAPS IN A SITE PLAN IN THE FUTURE.

BUT A WEDDING CHAPEL HAS BEEN REMOVED.

AND IN ITS PLACE IS THIS BUILDING THAT REALLY RIGHT NOW IS ALMOST BEING PROPOSED AS A FLEX BUILDING, AS PLANS CONTINUE TO FIRM UP FOR THE SITE. IT COULD INCLUDE RETAIL, COULD INCLUDE OFFICE OR IF THE ISSUE WERE TO.

IF THE IDEA WERE TO MOVE FORWARD FOR A LIBRARY AGAIN ON THIS SITE, POTENTIALLY IN THAT BUILDING OR PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.

BUT AGAIN, THAT COULD BE DETERMINED IN THE FUTURE.

THE LIST OF CHANGES THAT STAFF HAVE NOTED ARE LISTED HERE.

OF COURSE, THE APPLICANT MAY DESIRE TO EXPRESS THESE AS THEY SEE FIT OR ANY FURTHER CHANGES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, PERHAPS MORE IN DETAIL.

SOME OF THOSE CHANGES INCLUDE JUST MINOR REVISIONS TO THE ZONING BOOKLET THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE OTHER LISTED CHANGES ON THE SITE.

UH, ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES ARE FIVE LOTS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED TO BE RELEASED EARLY ALONG RIVIERA LANE.

THESE ARE WOULD BE WITHIN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THIS BLOCK FACING RIVIERA LANE.

ONCE THESE LOTS HAVE SUFFICIENT UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE FOR FULL PUBLIC SAFETY AND SERVICE OF CITY UTILITIES, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE RELEASE OF FIVE PERMITS IN ORDER TO BUILD FIVE HOMES FOR A FUNDRAISING CAUSE.

THE APPLICANT CAN DISCUSS MORE IN DETAIL OF WHAT THAT CAUSE IS.

THE AREA OF PARK DEDICATION IS DECREASING BY ROUGHLY AN ACRE.

THIS IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE ADDITION OF THAT FLEX BUILDING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AS SHOWN ON THE LOT.

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THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE DEDICATION OF CERTAIN ROADWAYS, INCLUDING THIS SEMICIRCULAR DRIVE AMONG THESE RESTAURANT BUILDINGS HERE.

THAT IS IN THE PAST BEEN PROPOSED AS RIGHT OF WAY.

THEY'RE NOW PROPOSING IT TO REMAIN AS A PRIVATE DRIVE.

UH, AGAIN, THE WEDDING CHAPEL REMOVED.

THERE'S MORE.

SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BEING NOTED FOR THE INCLUSION OF A HOTEL, WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN A USE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PERMITTED ON THE SITE.

HOWEVER, IT'S NOW BEING DEFINED AS A PARTICULAR SQUARE FOOTAGE.

WE'RE ALSO SEEING A SLIGHT INCREASE IN OFFICE SPACE AND RETAIL FLOOR AREA SHOWING JUST AN OVERALL CHANGE IN FLOOR AREA THAT WILL FURTHER BE REFINED THROUGHOUT THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.

AND AGAIN, ANOTHER CHANGE BEING PROPOSED IS THE REGARDING THE RESIDENTIAL LOFTS, THE APPLICANT.

IS PROPOSING AN AVERAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH LOFT AT 2300FT² AS OPPOSED TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 2300FT².

AND THE GROSS FLOOR AREA FOR THOSE LOFTS INCREASED TO 70,000 TO 115.

THE NUMBER OF LOFTS WOULD REMAIN THE SAME AS PROPOSED AT 50.

THE APPLICANT HAS MENTIONED IN THE PAST SOME PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS 1800 SQUARE FEET IS A MINIMUM I THINK HE CAN ADDRESS TONIGHT OF WHETHER THAT NUMBER IS THE SAME OR CHANGE AND OPEN TO DISCUSS THOSE WITH THE COMMISSION TONIGHT.

UH, JUST IN FULL TRANSPARENCY.

THERE WAS AN ABUNDANCE OF NOTIFICATION PROVIDED FOR THIS SITE.

THE ZONING CHANGE IS CONFINED TO THIS.

THE SET OF TRACKS IN THE MAP ON THE LEFT SIDE, WE DID NOTIFY THE BOUNDARY ON THE BOUNDARY OF TRACKS AS SEEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE. BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS THE CORRECT NOTIFICATION AREA.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DID RECEIVE TWO.

RESPONSE LETTERS, ONE IN FAVOR AND ONE IN OPPOSITION WITH SOME SPECIFIC REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE, OF COURSE, TO DISCUSS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND HAS THEIR OWN PRESENTATION FOR THE COMMISSION.

BUT MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

OKAY. I KNOW WE KIND OF HAD A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE WORK SESSION DISCUSSION WITH STAFF, BUT I GUESS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF RIGHT NOW? OKAY, GO AHEAD.

REMIND ME HOW BIG THE LIBRARY PROPOSAL WAS PREVIOUSLY.

IS IT WAS IT ABOUT 150 LIKE THE HOTEL IS? I THINK IT WAS SMALLER THAN THAT, BUT MAYBE JOHN PROBABLY KNOWS THAT.

YEAH. THE.

I BELIEVE HERE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AS SHOWN, APPROXIMATELY 50,000FT², 55,000FT², SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. WELL, SIT TIGHT.

BE READY. I'M SURE WE MIGHT HAVE A FEW OTHER QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SIR.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP HERE AND PRESENT, INTIMIDATING AS THAT IS.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND PLEASE DO YOUR BEST TO KIND OF KEEP IT ON POINT AND DON'T EARN ANY RICK STACEY FILIBUSTER AWARDS UP THERE.

SO THIS ONE.

I HEARD YOU. WE'LL SEE ABOUT THAT.

I'LL BE THE JUDGE.

THERE WE GO. GREAT. THANK YOU.

NAMED JOHN TERRELL AT 161 SUMMIT AVENUE, SUITE 200 HERE IN SOUTHLAKE IS THE OFFICE ADDRESS.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TALK TO YOU.

I'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE CHANGES.

I WON'T GO THROUGH THIS TOO MUCH, BUT THIS IS TO ANSWER ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

AND THEN AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE LIBRARY, WHAT WASN'T APPROVED, BUT WHAT WE HAD BROUGHT FORWARD HAD ALL THE DISCUSSION, AND THEN THE CITY DECIDED IT DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AT THAT TIME. WITH THE LIBRARY IS THE INTERIM DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE LIBRARY AND THE PERFORMING ARTS, WHICH WAS A TOTAL OF 45,000FT².

IT WAS A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LIBRARY AND ABOUT A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT PERFORMING ARTS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AND WHAT THE CITY HAD TAKEN THROUGH ALL THE COMMITTEES AND SO FORTH.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS ON THE FAR RIGHT.

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AS THE STAFF JUST SAID, THERE'S A NUMBER OF SMALLER ITEMS, BUT THEY'RE ALL RELATED TO THE CHANGES THAT THE LARGER CHANGES THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.

ONE IS THE ALLOWING THE DEVELOPER TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION ON THE FIVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON LOTS ALONG RIVIERA.

TWO IS THE ALLOWING THE FLEXIBILITY TO REPLACE WHERE THE LIBRARY PERFORMING ARTS WAS IN THAT INTERIM PLAN WITH A TAX GENERATING REVENUE, PRODUCING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING FACILITY THAT WOULD BE THERE.

THAT WOULD BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES.

AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING ON THE WHITECHAPEL.

THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE OLD ONE THAT WE WANT TO COMBINE INTO ONE BUILDING, AND I'M GOING TO GO OVER EACH ONE OF THESE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.

AND THEN AN OPTIONAL DETENTION RETENTION POND IN NUMBER FOUR RIGHT AWAY FOR A FUTURE VALET, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED THAT WAS GOING TO BE DEDICATED, AS STAFF MENTIONED. BUT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S BETTER FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE OPERATIONS FOR THAT TO REMAIN AS A PRIVATE DRIVE.

AND THEN REVISION SIX IS A SOMETHING THAT I'LL GO OVER THAT SOME OF YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE OF IN TERMS OF THE RAMP REVERSALS THAT TEX-DOT IS PROPOSING ALONG 114 AT THIS AREA.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU HOW IT IMPACTS THIS SITE AND IT IMPACTS THE ENTIRE CITY VERY BENEFICIALLY.

MICHAEL MORRIS WITH COG PRESENTED SOME STUFF JUST THIS LAST WEEK AND THEN REVISION SEVEN, WHICH IS THE CHANGING OF THE UNIT SIZES FROM THE 2300 MINIMUM TO 2300 AVERAGE.

AND I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY A MISTAKE IN THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.

SO FIRST THE ZONING REVISION.

NUMBER ONE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE FIVE CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS THAT WE HAVE SOLD THESE LOTS TO OR ARE UNDER CONTRACT TO CLOSE, HAVE WORKED A DEAL WITH SAINT JUDE'S TO DO THEIR DREAM HOME PROJECT, WHICH WOULD GET NATIONAL EXPOSURE FOR AND REALLY PUT THE HOMEBUILDERS ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY HIGH END TO SUPPORT THAT DREAM HOME.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THAT BLOCK ONE, ALL THE UTILITIES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE IN RIVIERA, SO WE'RE NOT WAITING ON UTILITIES TO BE IN PLACE LIKE THE REST OF THE LOTS. AND SO ONCE WE GET THE ALLEYWAY AND THE MASS GRADING, WHICH IS ALMOST FINISHED, WE SHOULD BE READY AND THE CITY COULD APPROVE MOVING FORWARD WITH FIVE OF THOSE LOTS IN THAT ONE BLOCK ALONG RIVIERA SO THAT THE DEVELOPERS COULD GET UNDER CONSTRUCTION BY, SAY, OCTOBER OR EARLY NOVEMBER FOR THEM TO BE COMPLETED AND OPEN AND READY FOR THE DREAM HOUSE BY OCTOBER OF 24.

THIS DOES A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

IT'S NOT JUST A POSITIVE THING FROM THE, YOU KNOW, THE NATIONAL EXPOSURE AND THAT DREAM HOME PROJECT, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO DO FIVE OF THESE HOMES ALONG RIVIERA SIMULTANEOUSLY THAT WILL GET THE CONSTRUCTION COMPLETED FASTER, THAT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE FACING HOUSES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.

IT WILL ALSO PROVIDE, ONCE THOSE ARE UP A BUFFER TO A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL TAKE PLACE BEHIND THOSE HOMES AND ALSO BLOCK THE VIEW FROM THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE HOMES ALONG RIVIERA ON THE EAST SIDE.

JOHN, REAL QUICK. YES.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE, I GUESS IF YOU GO BACK, WHAT IS THE CONNECTION TO SAINT JUDE'S HERE? I GUESS, HOW DOES THIS SO SO, JANE, THEY'VE GOT A PROGRAM THAT'S CALLED THE DREAM HOME PROGRAM.

THAT'S WHERE THE CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS PARTNER WITH SAINT JUDE.

AND SAINT JUDE GETS SOME SIGNIFICANT DISCOUNTS ON PURCHASING OF MATERIALS AND SO FORTH FROM LIKE, LET'S SAY HOME DEPOT WANTS TO DONATE TO SAINT JUDE'S.

THEY PASS THAT ON TO THE DEVELOPERS AND THE BUILDERS OF THESE HOMES.

AND THEN SAINT JUDE GETS THAT DELTA AND SO THEY MAKE A BIG PROFIT.

BUT IT'S ALSO THEN SAINT JUDE AND THEIR NATIONAL MARKETING, THEY PUT OUT THAT SOUTHLAKE HAS GOT THESE HIGH END HOMES THAT WILL BE BUILT BY THESE CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS THAT ARE ALL PART OF THEIR PROGRAM.

SO WE'LL GET SOME REALLY NICE EXPOSURE.

THE CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB IN TERMS OF WORKING THIS FOR A CHARITY PURPOSE AS WELL, BUT IT ALLOWS THEM TO BUILD ON A FEW LOTS THAT WILL BE READY FOR BUILDING EARLIER THAN THE BALANCE OF THE SITE.

SO THE WAY YOU'RE EXPLAINING IS THE COST SAVINGS OF IT IS THEIR EQUITY INVESTMENT IN THESE THE BUILDING OF THESE? THAT'S RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT IT'S ROUGHLY HALF A MILLION, $600,000.

AND I'VE GOT AT LEAST ONE OF THE HOME BUILDERS.

JOHN, IS THAT ROUGHLY CORRECT?

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GOT IT. SO IT'S AN INVESTMENT FOR SAINT JUDE AND THEY GET THE RETURN, RIGHT? GOT IT. THAT'S ALL.

I WAS TRYING TO JUST UNDERSTAND HOW ULTIMATELY HOW SAINT JUDE'S BENEFITED FROM WHAT WAS BEING OUTLINED.

AND IT'LL BE ABOUT A $1 MILLION MINIMUM.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON WINE? I GUESS MAYBE AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, MAYBE WE CAN.

JUST ONE AT A TIME.

OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

OKAY. MOVE ON TO NUMBER TWO.

THE LOCATION OF NUMBER TWO IS EXACTLY OR VERY CLOSE TO THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE LIBRARY AND THE PERFORMING ARTS WAS TO BE LOCATED IN KIND OF THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK.

WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING THAT AND AT THE SUGGESTION OF A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CONVERT THAT SO THAT WE HAVE THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT SURROUNDS THAT FOUNTAIN, AS WAS ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT, SO THAT IT WAS SURROUNDED BY FACILITIES THAT ARE HIGH END. WE'RE LOOKING AT A VERY HIGH END TYPE OF FACILITY THERE THAT WOULD HAVE EITHER ADDITIONAL RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, POTENTIALLY THE PRIVATE CLUB, MUCH LIKE ONE OF THE CLUBS OVER IN HIGHLAND PARK VILLAGE PARK HOUSE, IF YOU'VE SEEN THAT.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE KIND OF STRUCTURES AROUND THE PARK SO THAT YOU'VE GOT GREAT VISIBILITY, GREAT PEDESTRIAN WALKING 360 AROUND IT SO THAT YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC MOVING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

WE WOULD HAVE THAT ALSO KIND OF SET ASIDE.

WE WON'T START THAT.

THAT'S NOT UNTIL A PHASE TWO CONSTRUCTION.

AND I KNOW THE CITY OF FINANCIAL THINGS GET BETTER.

THERE'S STILL A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LIBRARY LOCATED AT CARILLON PARC AND IT WAS CERTAINLY THE NUMBER ONE LOCATION.

AND SO IF THE FINANCIAL SIDE IMPROVES IN THE NEXT YEAR, THIS IS STILL THE PERFECT SITE FOR THE LIBRARY AND WE CAN LEAVE THAT AND WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT THAT WITH THE CITY ON HOW WE CAN GET THE LIBRARY IN THAT LOCATION.

BUT IT REALLY NEEDS TO HAVE A FACILITY THERE AND NOT JUST OPEN UP THAT THAT FOUNTAIN AND THAT WHOLE AREA OF PERFORMANCES AND SO FORTH NEEDS TO REALLY HAVE THAT KIND OF SURROUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND I GUESS THE PARKING FOR THAT BUILDING IS WHERE THE PARKING.

SO THIS IS THE PARKING GARAGE THAT SERVES.

NOW, LET ME SAY TWO THINGS.

ONE, THIS SITE DROPS RIGHT IN THIS AREA AND OR RIGHT KIND OF THROUGH HERE.

AND THIS IS KIND OF AN AMPHITHEATER TYPE SEATING THAT DROPS DOWN TO AN AREA HERE.

AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER DROP RIGHT IN THIS AREA.

AND SO THAT BUILDING WOULD ACTUALLY BE HAVE SOME PEDESTAL PARKING.

SO IT WOULD BE PARKING UNDERNEATH AND THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST FLOOR OF RETAIL, WOULD BE AT GRADE WITH THE FOUNTAIN SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

AND YOU WOULD HAVE PARKING ENTRANCE UNDER THE BUILDING FROM THE EAST SIDE.

BUT THAT PROBABLY IS NOT SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THAT ENTIRE BUILDING DEPENDING ON WHAT USES COME IN HERE.

SO THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE SHARED PARKING IN THIS PARKING GARAGE RIGHT HERE.

OKAY. AND THEN WE HAD A WE HAD A QUICK COMMENT THAT CAME IN ABOUT, I GUESS, THE PRIVATE CLUB USE AND JUST CONCERN ABOUT THERE BEING A PRIVATE CLUB VERSUS SOMETHING THAT ALL THE RESIDENTS COULDN'T USE.

ADJACENT RESIDENTS VERSUS KIND OF A PRIVATE CLUB, I GUESS JUST ANY COMMENT ON THAT IN TERMS OF ANY COMMENT ON THAT AS IF IT'S AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY? IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE HIGH END CLUB THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE.

OKAY. WELL, JUST KNOW THAT YOU MIGHT GET THAT FEEDBACK.

THERE'LL BE A MEMBERSHIP TYPE FEE.

IT'S NOT IT'S NOT LIKE A WORKOUT FACILITY.

THIS IS A SOCIAL CLUB WITH WINE RESTAURANTS.

SO YOU MIGHT GET THAT COMMENT IN ANOTHER POINT.

FUTURE IN THE PROCESS.

RIGHT. AND I GOT THAT COMMENT ACTUALLY ONLINE AND RESPONDED.

AND BY THE WAY, TOO, I KNOW STAFF ONLY SENT OUT NOTICES TO THAT AREA, BUT THIS ACTUALLY WENT OUT TO ALL THE CARILLON RESIDENTS UNDER THE HOA AND THROUGH THE CARILLON FACEBOOK WEBSITE.

SO I GOT PLENTY OF QUESTIONS AND RESPONDED TO ALL OF THOSE AS WELL.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE SECOND ITEM HERE? BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY RELATE TO DALLAS COUNTY AS MUCH AS TARRANT COUNTY.

WHEN YOU SAY A PRIVATE CLUB, IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE FORT WORTH CLUB OR PETROLEUM CLUB.

FORT WORTH CITY CLUB. RIGHT AND IN HIGHLAND PARK VILLAGE, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT WHAT A PRIVATE CLUB WOULD BE.

AND I CAN TELL YOU, IT WILL NOT BE SOMETHING THAT IS RISQUE OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

IT IS A VERY HIGH END SOCIAL CLUB.

AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BEST THING THAT I CAN SHOW YOU IS IF YOU SIMPLY GO TO THE WEBSITE FOR PARK HOUSE IN HIGHLAND PARK VILLAGE, THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD DESCRIPTION.

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YOU ACTUALLY HAVE WINE LOCKERS WHERE YOU CAN KEEP YOUR WINES AND SO FORTH AND HAVE THEM BROUGHT OVER TO THE RESTAURANTS.

IT'S A VERY NICE OPTION TO HAVE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD REMINDER TO ME THAT YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF NEW COMMISSIONERS UP HERE SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU'VE BEEN HERE. SO AND I'VE TOLD THEM TO ASK AWAY ON QUESTIONS.

SO DON'T BE SURPRISED IF YOU GET SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT PREVIOUS VERSIONS AS WELL.

SO, OKAY, I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON TWO.

PERFECT. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN ON THREE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LOWER RIGHT GRAPHICS SHOW THAT THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL HAD TWO BUILDINGS.

AND WE WOULD LIKE THE OPTION TO GO FROM TWO BUILDINGS TO ONE BUILDING IF IT ENDS UP MAKING SENSE SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT AN UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE UNDERNEATH THAT BUILDING THAT HELPS US WITH THE PARKING RATIOS, ETCETERA.

AND THE ENTRANCE WOULD COME IN FROM THE SOUTH.

SO WE'RE REALLY NOT LOOKING FOR A LOT MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

WE'RE SIMPLY WANTING TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT PARKING.

AND YOU CANNOT GET RAMPED DOWN FAST ENOUGH TO PUT PARKING UNDER THOSE TWO SINGLE BUILDINGS.

SO YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THAT BUILDING TO GET THE DRIVEWAYS DOWN UNDER THE BUILDING INTO A SUBSURFACE PARKING AREA.

ON FOUR IS BEING REQUESTED BECAUSE WE'RE SIMPLY HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE WITH SOME OF THE DRAINAGE FROM STORM DRAIN COMING ACROSS SOME OF THE PROPERTY TO OUR EAST.

WE'RE STILL IN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS AND HAVING THOSE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE THE OPTION TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE STORM WATER.

THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF CARILLON PARC OR CARILLON NOT CARILLON PARC.

CARILLON THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING ALL THE RESIDENTIAL.

ALL THOSE TWO LAKES WERE BUILT TO HANDLE ALL THE STORMWATER.

WE HAVE TO GET THE STORMWATER FROM THIS SITE TO THOSE LAKES AND WE MAY NEED TO RETAIN, DETAIN.

AND IF WE BUILD THAT POND FOR SOME OF THE STORMWATER, WE WOULD MAKE IT AN AMENITY, A FEATURE.

SO IT LOOKS REALLY NICE.

WE WOULD TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTENANCE OF ANY KIND OF FOUNTAIN THAT WOULD BE IN THAT SO THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE IT SINCE THEY'RE TAKING MAINTENANCE OF ALL THE PARK EXCEPT FOR THE WATER FEATURE WE WOULD TAKE ON AS THE DEVELOPER.

ANY KIND OF MAINTENANCE LONG TERM OF THAT FOUNTAIN IN THAT POND.

I GUESS IF IT'S NOT NEEDED, WOULD IT JUST REMAIN AS IS? IF IT'S NOT NEEDED, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD AN ADDITIONAL POND.

AND IT WOULD JUST REMAIN OPEN SPACE, RIGHT? WE WOULD LEAVE ALL THE TREES AND SO FORTH AND THE WALKWAYS AND SO FORTH AS PREVIOUSLY PLANNED.

AND I GUESS IS IT THE THOUGHT THAT HOPEFULLY IT COULD BE MORE OF A RETENTION POND? YEAH, IT WOULD BE AN AMENITY, NOT A DETENTION POND THAT STAYS DRY.

THERE WOULD BE WATER IN THERE AND A FOUNTAIN.

OKAY. MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN NOTE IN THE MOTION.

WHEN WE GET TO IT.

BUT. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ONE.

AND THIS IS A BENEFIT TO THE CITY AND IT'S A BENEFIT TO THE DEVELOPER.

THE WHAT WE CALL THE JUGHANDLE, WHICH IS THE VALET PARKING AREA IN FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT FACILITIES.

THAT'S WHERE WE INTEND TO HAVE A LOT OF THE VALET PARKING AND THE UBER LYFT TYPE DROP OFFS AT THAT LOCATION.

WE THINK THAT THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE BECAUSE WE CAN TO HAVE IT AS A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY RATHER THAN PUBLIC STREET BECAUSE OF THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED UNDER THE PUBLIC STREET.

IT ALSO LESSENS THE COST OF MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING FOR THE CITY, AND IT ALLOWS US TO HELP.

I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT A RESTAURANT LIKE AN ALBANAISE OR WHOEVER, THEY'RE BRINGING IN SOME REALLY NICE CARS, THEY'RE PARKING SOME OUT FRONT.

AND THEN AS YOU NOTE HERE, TOO, WE'VE GOT A COMING OFF.

THIS IS A SPEED DRIVE FOR VALET THAT WILL GO DIRECTLY FROM VALET INTO THE PARKING GARAGE BEHIND THE CONDOS.

AND THAT IS ALL BECAUSE THOSE HIGH END RESTAURANTS HAVE A DEMAND FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND VALET SERVICES THAT CAN MOVE THEIR CUSTOMERS QUICKLY.

AND SO INSTEAD OF MAKING IT A PUBLIC STREET, WE THINK IT'S BETTER FOR THE CITY AND FOR US TO MAINTAIN THOSE OPERATIONS.

AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AGREEMENTS ABOUT VALET PARKING ON A PUBLIC STREET.

AND JOHN, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY PUBLIC PARKING THERE.

THIS WOULD BE STRICTLY LIKE THE VALET TYPE STUFF.

THAT'S CORRECT. NOW, THERE MAY BE THERE MAY BE SOME OF THE THERE ARE SOME SPACES RIGHT OUT FRONT THAT COULD END UP BEING PUBLIC PARKING.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S GOING TO BE RESERVED FOR THAT VALET.

THOSE FOR RESTAURANTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED THERE ARE GOING TO HAVE A TREMENDOUS DEMAND ON PARKING SPACES AND THE VALET SERVICES.

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AND THAT WAS INTENTIONAL SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A SEA OF SURFACE PARKING.

AND SO WE'RE HIDING ALL OF THAT.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE EFFICIENT WITH HOW THEY MOVE THOSE CARS.

CORRECT. OKAY. GOOD.

QUICK QUESTION, JOHN.

SO, YES, IF WE GO FORWARD ON REVISION NUMBER FIVE, BUT FOR SOME REASON, NUMBER THREE DID NOT GO FORWARD, HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THE PARKING? I FORGET WHERE THE PARKING WAS.

NUMBER THREE. YEAH.

WITH THE TWO. IF THAT STAYED TWO BUILDINGS, IT WOULDN'T IMPACT NUMBER THREE AT ALL.

OKAY. THREE AND FIVE ARE NOT TIED TOGETHER AT ALL.

OKAY. AND SO REMIND ME ON THREE IF IT'S WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, TWO BUILDINGS, WHERE IS THAT PARKING? SO. ON THE TWO BUILDINGS.

YOU'VE GOT STREET PARKING IN HERE RIGHT ALONG THE FRONT, BUT THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT TO GET ALL OF THAT.

SO PART OF IT IS STILL IN THIS PARKING LOT, BUT THEY'RE WALKING TO IT AND THEN COMING ACROSS.

THAT'S WHY WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT TO DO AN UNDERGROUND PARKING FOR THOSE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE USABLE AND MARKETABLE TO HAVE THE PARKING AS MUCH AS WE CAN GET FOR THAT BUILDING AT THE BUILDING. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

THANKS. AND IS THAT JOHN IS A THOUGHT NOT TO BELABOR THE PARKING THING, BUT THE COMBINATION OF THOSE IS YOU CAN BUILD AN UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE THAT SERVICES THEM TWO SEPARATELY.

BUT I GUESS IT'S TWO ELEVATOR SHAFTS TO TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS.

ACTUALLY, YOU CAN'T THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING, BECAUSE THEN WHEN YOU COME OFF OF THIS ROAD.

YEAH. TO GET UNDER.

LET ME GO BACK TO THAT ONE WHEN YOU COME UNDER THIS YOU HAVE TO RAMP DOWN RIGHT.

AND BY THE TIME YOU GET AT THE SLOPE THAT YOU HAVE TO CREATE TO GET DOWN TO PARKING, YOU'RE HALFWAY DOWN THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING AND YOU HAVE NO ABILITY TO GET CIRCULATION IN THERE.

WHEREAS IF YOU DO THE FULL BUILDING, YOU CAN GET A RAMP DOWN AND A RAMP UP AND STILL CREATE ENOUGH PARKING UNDERNEATH TO BE.

YEAH, WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU CAN BUILD IT UNDERNEATH THE GRASS THOUGH, RIGHT? IT CAN STILL CONNECT BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS AND NOT BE ONE BUILDING.

THAT'S POSSIBLE.

BUT IF YOU DO THE TWO BUILDINGS AND YOU'RE PROBABLY DOING TWO SEPARATE DEALS AND THEY MAY NOT GET THE ONE BUILDING.

YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE JUST WANTING TO DO THE POSSIBILITY OF ONE.

WE COULD STILL DO TWO.

YEAH. BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE OPTION TO DO ONE IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.

GOT IT. OKAY. AND TWO, WE ACTUALLY HAD THERE WAS SOME PIPELINES COMING THROUGH HERE AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERS TO MOVE THOSE PIPELINES UP HERE SO THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT ENGINEERED PLAN OR I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL CURRENT, BUT THE ONE THAT WAS JUST RECENT WOULD HAVE PRECLUDED AN UNDERGROUND PARKING BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF SOME OF THESE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.

SO WE'RE GETTING THEM OUT OF THE WAY OF THAT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE UNDERGROUND PARKING.

SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ON.

YES, MA'AM. FIVE.

YOU'RE TAKING IT FROM A THROUGH STREET TO BASICALLY A DROP OFF PICKUP AREA.

IT'LL STILL ACT LIKE A THROUGH STREET.

THE PUBLIC IS STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE AN OPEN DRIVE, BUT IT WILL BE MANAGED BY THE DEVELOPERS AND THE RESTAURANTS RATHER THAN A PUBLIC STREET THAT HAS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO.

AND THEN TO THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A BETTER INDICATION OF THAT AND SHOWS YOU THAT THE FUTURE VALET AND DROP OFF WOULD REMAIN PRIVATE.

WE PAY FOR CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE, WHICH THAT GETS THE CITY OUT OF ANY FUTURE MAINTENANCE COSTS OF THAT.

AND IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED IN PHASE ONE A AND THAT WAS A BIG REASON TO IF WE DEDICATED IT AS A PUBLIC STREET.

NOW, THEN YOU HAVE TO SET IT IN PLACE.

AND WHEN THIS HAPPENS IN PHASE ONE A WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN THAT IF WE BUILT THIS NOW, WE HAVE TO TEAR IT OUT AND RECONSTRUCT SO THAT IT FITS AT THE RIGHT ELEVATIONS AND SO FORTH TO ACCESS THESE BUILDINGS AND THIS RAMP.

SO THEN BUILDING IT IN ONE A WHEN WE BUILD THE PARK AND ALL OF THIS, THAT'S THE PROPER TIME TO BUILD THAT JUGHANDLE.

THIS IS AN INTERESTING THING THAT HAS RECENT RELATIVELY RECENTLY COME UP WITH TEX-DOT.

THEY FOUND THAT SOME OF THE LOCATIONS AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO KIND OF FLIP HERE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A NEW

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AND THIS.

THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THIS GRAY LINE RIGHT HERE IS SHOWING WHERE THE CURRENT EXIT RAMP OFF OF 114 IS.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU CAN'T WEAVE ACROSS INTO HERE.

SO WE WERE PROHIBITED FROM HAVING A SECOND ENTRANCE BY TEX-DOT.

SO THIS WAS THE ONLY SINGLE LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE BACK FROM WHITES CHAPEL AND THE DISTANCE FROM THIS, THAT WAS THE SINGLE LOCATION WE COULD HAVE AN ENTRANCE.

WHAT TEX-DOT IS NOW DOING TO THE BENEFIT OF ALL THE OWNERS ON SERVICE ROADS IN NUMEROUS LOCATIONS IS THEY ARE REVERSING THE RAMPS.

SO RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT THE GRAY ENTRANCE ONTO 114 COMING IN RIGHT HERE AND YOU'VE GOT THE EXIT RIGHT HERE.

WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS THEY WOULD CHANGE IT TO THIS PINK AND YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR EXIT LANE ONTO THE SERVICE ROAD HERE AND YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR ENTRANCE DOWN HERE. THEY WOULD SIMPLY FLIP THEM.

IF THE EXIT IS HERE, WE CAN EASILY GET AN APPROVAL FROM TEX-DOT FOR THIS LOCATION.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN AHEAD BECAUSE OF COURSE, VEHICULAR MOVEMENT MOBILITY IS IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BIG EVENTS IN HERE.

IF WE CAN GET ANOTHER ENTRANCE EXIT OUT OF THIS, IT'S BETTER FOR THE CITY, IT'S BETTER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THE USERS OF THIS PARTICULAR SPACE.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST PRESENTING WHAT WE HOPE REAL QUICK.

I'M SORRY, WHEN IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? DO YOU KNOW? I MEAN, ROUGHLY THERE I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS FUNDED AND THEY ARE JUST GETTING AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE JUST MET WITH THE LEADERS THAT ARE TRYING TO WRAP THIS UP.

WE ARE THE LAST GROUP ALONG THE ENTIRE 114 CORRIDOR.

THIS IS JUST ONE LITTLE SEGMENT, BUT THE 114 CORRIDOR THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE THE LAST GROUP THAT APPROVED.

THEY HAVE 100% APPROVAL FROM ALL PROPERTY OWNERS, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO THIS IS ALMOST CERTAINLY GOING TO GO THROUGH.

THEY'RE THINKING IT COULD HAPPEN AND GET APPROVED WITHIN THE NEXT 18 MONTHS AND THEN TAKE ANOTHER YEAR TO BUILD, WHICH WOULD BE PERFECT TIMING FOR US.

YEAH, IT'S EXCITING.

FASCINATING TO THINK.

BEEN OUT HERE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE THEM BUILD A FREEWAY AND THEN HAVE TO TEAR IT APART AND REBUILD IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

YEAH, I WON'T SPEAK TO THAT.

YEAH. JOHN WITH THAT SECOND ENTRANCE, ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO HAVE A DECEL LANE GOING INTO THAT ONE AS WELL, LIKE YOU DO THE ONE FURTHER WEST? WE WOULD WORK THAT OUT WITH TEX-DOT AS TO WHAT WE NEED BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR APPROVAL AS TO WHAT'S REQUIRED.

YEAH. AND SO THAT COULD INDICATE THAT ROAD JUST COMES OVER, YOU KNOW, JUST SLIGHTLY TO GET THE DECEL OR THE PREFERRED BY TEX-DOT IS THAT WE MOVE THIS DRIVE.

WE DON'T WANT TO SHOW IT THERE NOW BUT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO GET APPROVALS FROM THEM.

BUT TEX-DOT WOULD LIKE IT TO SPLIT THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE TWO SITES.

I SEE. WE'RE ALL FOR THAT, BUT WE CAN'T FORCE THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER TO DO IT NOW.

YEAH. IF WE GET APPROVAL FROM THE CITY AND THEN TEX-DOT REQUIRES IT, IT'S AN EASY SLIDE TO THAT PROPERTY LINE.

GOT IT. I'M WITH YOU. THANKS.

AND THEN LAST IS ZONING REVISION NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS CHANGING THE UNIT SIZE, WHICH WE HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AT 2300 MINIMUM TO A 2300 SQUARE FOOT AVERAGE.

AND I'LL TALK ABOUT SOMETHING HERE IN JUST A SECOND.

BUT COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS DURING THE CORRIDOR, ALSO SAID HE'D LIKE TO SEE STILL HAVING A MINIMUM IN THERE.

SO WE'RE SUGGESTING 6300.

BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TOTAL EXCUSE ME.

TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE WON'T CHANGE BECAUSE WE STILL ONLY HAVE 50 UNITS.

AVERAGE 2300.

IT MIGHT GO UP IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT IT WILL NOT GO DOWN BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE A MINIMUM AVERAGE OF 2300FT².

SO I GUESS STAFF REPORT CONTAINED 1800 INSTEAD OF 1600.

THAT WAS A VERBAL THAT WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS.

WE'VE ACTUALLY PUT IN OUR PRESENTATION.

WE'RE SHOOTING FOR 1600.

OKAY. UM.

IN SOMETHING TO JUST BE AWARE OF AND IT HAS AN IMPACT ON WHAT THE WHAT THE DELTA IS BETWEEN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING NOW.

THERE WAS A SOME KIND OF A TYPO OR AN ADDITION ERROR IN THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN THAT SHOWS 70,500 BECAUSE ALL YOU

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WE'RE KEEPING IT LITERALLY WHAT WAS APPROVED BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE NUMBERS IN THE 2300 PER UNIT TIMES 50 UNITS IS 115,000.

WE HAD SOME KIND OF TYPO OR SOMETHING IN THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE ORIGINAL, I GUESS, STAFF.

IS THAT IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? OR DO YOU NEED TIME TO DIGEST THAT? NO, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS CORRECT.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT WHILE WE WERE ON IT.

YEAH. KEEP ME HONEST. WELL, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED.

IN THE CURRENT, THE BUILDING LOOK BIGGER.

SO I THOUGHT, WELL, THE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BECAUSE YOU'VE EXPANDED THE BUILDING.

AND SO THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SIZE IS JUST RECONFIGURED DIFFERENTLY.

IT'S JUST RECONFIGURED DIFFERENTLY.

WE'VE ALWAYS HAD 50 UNITS AT 2300FT², AND WE'RE STILL PROPOSING 50 UNITS AT 2300 SQUARE FOOT AVERAGE SO THAT SOME COULD BE LESS, BUT SOME COULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE.

BUT DID THE BECAUSE I KNOW IN NUMBER FIVE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING, THE VALET PARKING.

SO THEN I WAS THINKING, WELL, MAYBE THAT WAS WHAT THE ADDITIONAL IS.

SO DID THE PREVIOUS OR THE CURRENT AS IS ALREADY CONTEMPLATE SOME OF THAT.

YES. SO REMEMBER, THE 50 UNITS HADN'T CHANGED.

SO THE NUMBER OF CARS PER UNIT STAYS THE SAME.

NOTHING'S CHANGED. SO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE 50 UNITS HADN'T CHANGED.

FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVED PLAN TO THE CURRENT.

BUT DID THE DOES THE ORIGINAL HAVE THAT VALID BECAUSE WITH THE.

CIRCLE. PRIVATE DRIVE.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS.

AND MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT KNOWING MUCH ABOUT THE BACKGROUND, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS ADDING ADDITIONAL VALET PARKING FOR PEOPLE USING THE RESTAURANTS.

AND MAYBE THAT WAS THE VALET PARKING WAS ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED TO BE IN THE GARAGE.

WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS SIMPLY PUTTING IN A SPEED RAMP SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE AROUND TO THE END OF THE GARAGE FOR ALL THE VALET AND THEN RUN BACK.

SO THIS GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN QUICKLY.

BUT WE ALWAYS HAD THE SAME PARKING FOR VALET IN THE GARAGE.

THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THIS ONE.

I KNOW THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF FOLKS CONCERNED OR NOT CONCERNED, JUST WANTING TO SEE KIND OF A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

AND THE ONLY THING THAT IS DIFFERENT, THAT WHICH I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IS THE THING THAT I BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE ORIGINAL 70,500 WAS JUST AN INCORRECT NUMBER IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.

AND THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE RENDERINGS.

YOU KNOW, AS YOU LOOK AT IT, THE THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS OF RESTAURANTS, BUT EACH ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS HAS TWO RESTAURANTS.

AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING KIND OF THIS DECK ACROSS THAT.

AND THIS MAY ACTUALLY EXTEND WE WERE JUST TALKING WITH SOME HOTEL PEOPLE TODAY.

IT COULD ACTUALLY EXTEND AND CONNECT WITH THE HOTEL SO THAT YOUR CONFERENCE CENTER AND EVERYTHING ELSE COULD GET EASY ACCESS TO ALL OF THE DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS.

AS YOU LOOK ACROSS THERE, THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF KIND OF THAT RESTAURANT DECK AREA OVERLOOKING THE PARK AND FOUNTAIN AREAS.

THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE WEST SIDE OF THOSE RESTAURANTS THROUGH KIND OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE PARK FROM THAT VALET.

JUGHANDLE IS WHERE ALL THESE PEOPLE WOULD BE COMING INTO THAT AREA.

AND THEN THIS IS JUST ANOTHER RENDERING SHOWING THE CONDOS OVER RETAIL AND THAT RESTAURANT DECK.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I KNOW WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH QUESTIONS WHILE WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE MATERIALS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST GENERAL, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE HOTEL.

150,000FT². DO YOU HAVE ANY CLUE AT THIS POINT HOW MANY ROOM KEYS? SO HERE WE'VE GOTTEN WE HAD TWO HOTEL STUDIES DONE.

THE LAST ONE SHOWED THAT THE PERFECT MARKET WAS ABOUT 260.

WE'RE HEARING FROM SOME OF THE HOTEL DEVELOPERS THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY CLOSER TO 180 TO 200.

SO I CAN SAY IT'S PROBABLY BETWEEN ABOUT 180 AND 260 AND PROBABLY IT'S GOING TO LAND SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.

GOT IT. BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST BUILD THIS HOTEL BY ITSELF AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMEBODY COME OUT AND DO THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SURFACE PARKING WITHOUT USING THE GARAGE.

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SO THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE OTHER AMENITIES THAT HAVE TO BE ALLOCATED TO THIS HOTEL.

THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO DO A HOTEL AT 120 ROOMS AND PAY FOR THE STRUCTURED PARKING AND THE FOUNTAINS AND SO FORTH.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING CLOSE TO 200 PLUS.

OKAY. BUT IF IT'S TWO 60 AND IT'S MAXED AT 150,000FT², AND IF YOU'RE GOING LESS THAN THAT, THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BALANCE OF THE SPACE? YOU THINK SO? SO WE'VE GOT THAT AS KIND OF A PLACEHOLDER OF WHAT WE THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO COME BACK IN FOR SITE PLANNING WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FLAG THAT WE'RE TALKING WITH YET.

WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE CONFIGURATION IS GOING TO BE.

SO WE'LL BE BACK WITH THE DETAILS WHEN WE'RE NEGOTIATING.

OKAY. SO YOU'RE TALKING TWO FLAGS ALREADY.

WE ARE. GREAT.

AND MAYBE TWO OF THOSE DETAILS, I GUESS, AT WHAT POINT IN THE PROCESS DO WE KIND OF DRILL DOWN ON SOME OF THOSE DETAILS? I WOULD SAY THAT WHEN WE JUST TO MAKE SURE IT HAS ALL THE QUALITY ASPECTS, I.E.

THE CAMBRIA DISCUSSION THAT YOU LED, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT WON'T BE ANYTHING LIKE THE CAMBRIA.

UNDERSTOOD. YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE.

AND HERE'S THE THING.

REMEMBER HOW WE HAD TO SCREW THAT DOWN IN THE ZONE WITH THE HIGH END NATURE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? WE COULDN'T ALLOW ANYTHING LESS THAN A HIGH END HOTEL TO BE IN HERE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE FOLKS WE TALKED TO TODAY SAID IT.

IT CAN'T EVEN BE CLOSE TO A CAMBRIA.

IT NEEDS TO BE WAY ABOVE A DELTA AND IT'S GOT TO BE AT LEAST A WESTERN.

YEAH. AND I GUESS STAFF.

AT WHAT POINT IN THE PROCESS DO WE PUT THOSE THAT CRITERIA IN THERE IN TERMS OF THINGS LIKE CONFERENCE ROOMS FULL, HAVE A FULL TIME RESTAURANT OR, YOU KNOW, A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

WHILE THE MOST EFFECTIVE PLACE TO PUT IT IN ENFORCEABLE WOULD BE PART OF THE ZONING AS A ZONING REGULATION PUT IN.

BASELINE CRITERIA FOR WHICH THE SITE PLAN WOULD NEED TO BE EVALUATED BY.

OKAY. AND TO DATE, WHAT WE HAVE.

UH, OF COURSE IS THE ARCHITECTURAL REPRESENTATIONS THAT ARE MADE PART OF THE ZONING.

BUT MAYBE WE CAN DO ON THAT IS JUST MAKE IT SUCH AS FULL SERVICE, CERTAIN LEVEL OF CONFERENCE SPACE AND FULL SERVICE.

WHY DON'T WE JUST NOTE THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS THAT IN A POTENTIAL FUTURE STEP OF THE PROCESS? BECAUSE I'M SURE COUNCIL WILL SPEND TIME DRILLING DOWN ON THAT.

SO MAYBE THAT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU CAN TAKE A STAB AT AND THEY'LL WORK TO REFINE IT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL GIVE BOTH P&Z AND COUNCIL SOME ASSURANCES IS WE HAVE TO STICK BY THE ARCHITECTURAL KIND OF RENDERINGS THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THIS CHEAP.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? YEP. I HAVE A QUESTION.

GOING BACK TO THE FIRST ONE.

FIRST REVISION? YES. SO WHEN WE LOOKED, WE WERE MEETING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THOSE HOUSES THAT WERE RIGHT DOWN ON THEY'RE GOING TO BE UP IN THAT AREA.

SO ARE THE LOTS ALREADY PREDETERMINED OR SO.

WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE THESE FIVE.

PROBABLY THE REASON THAT WE HAVE SAID FIVE OF THIS GROUP IS THAT WHEN WE GET IN AND START DOING THE ACTUAL PAD WORK, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT SAYS, OH, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EASY TO DO THIS PARTICULAR PAD FIRST.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE GROUPED PROBABLY SIDE BY SIDE JUST FOR EASE OF THIS.

AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, IT'S GOING TO BE I THINK IT'S EITHER 3 OR 4 LOTS IN AND THEN THE NEXT FIVE.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THAT IT'S THOSE FIVE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE KEPT IT KIND OF A OPEN JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE ALL OF THESE FALL UNDER THE SAME CATEGORY OF INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY IN PLACE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO CONSTRUCT, WHICH WE HAVE TO DO IN THE REST OF THIS.

SO ALL OF THESE COULD QUALIFY AS BEING READY TO BE BUILT ON.

AND SO WE'RE JUST SAYING FIVE OF THOSE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE MID-BLOCK THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ON EITHER CORNER.

SO I KNOW THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET THE HOA REQUIREMENTS, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO BE THE SAME? I'M SORRY. I'M SURE THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET THE SAME HOA REQUIREMENTS.

BUT WILL THEY BE THE SAME BUILDERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING THE REST OF THAT AREA OUT OR.

YES. SO WE'VE ALREADY WE'RE ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT WITH THESE FIVE CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS.

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE KOREAN HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION LOVES THESE FIVE BUILDERS.

THEY'RE LIKE SOME OF THE BEST IN THE AREA.

AND WE HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH A LOT LOTTERY.

SO THEY HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED OF ALL OF THE LOTS IN HERE WHICH ONES? AND ALL OF THEM HAVE, I BELIEVE, BETWEEN 13 AND 14 LOTS.

EACH. JUST THE LAST THING I WAS TO PUT ON THE RECORD RELATIVE TO ANOTHER LETTER WE GOT.

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I GUESS THAT WAS KIND OF THE COMMENT ABOUT BEING DONE ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT AND EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK AND SO VIBRATING AND DIRT.

I MEAN, IT'S THE USUAL KIND OF STUFF, JUST TO THE EXTENT YOU GUYS CAN.

WE MANAGE.

LET ME SAY, I'M NOT SURE WHO I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF YOU WATCH IF IT HAS BEEN VIOLATED ON A TIME, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF IT.

AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT IS NOT FROM A WATERING STANDPOINT.

I THINK WE HAVE RECEIVED SO MANY COMMENTS, POSITIVE COMMENTS BACK FROM VERY THANKFUL NEIGHBORS.

WE'RE DOING MULTIPLE TIMES THE WATERING TO KEEP DUST DOWN.

YOU CAN DRIVE PAST THAT ANY DAY.

AND YOU LOOK AT ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT SITE.

I WOULD SAY THAT IS THE ONLY NEGATIVE COMMENT I HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE.

THE TRASH THERE IS NONEXISTENT TRASH.

IT'S PROBABLY THE CLEANEST WORK SITE I'VE EVER SEEN.

NO STAFF CAN GIVE IT TO YOU.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE. OKAY, WE WILL DEFINITELY CHECK ENSURE THAT WE ARE MAKING DOING THAT IN THE NORMAL TIMES.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.

I DIDN'T EVEN FILIBUSTER. THANK YOU.

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SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING TO ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

AND SEEING NO ONE GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

STAFF DO YOU MIND IF WE FLIP IT THE PRESENTATION MAYBE BACK AND THE APPLICANT HAD A GOOD PRESENTATION HERE, MAYBE FLIP IT BACK TO THE ONE THAT SUMMARIZED HIS 6 OR 7. YES, PERFECT.

THANK YOU. UM, I GUESS JUST AS A COMMISSION, I GUESS.

ANY. COMMENTS ON THAT FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO.

UM. TWEAK.

I GUESS WE'VE ALREADY GOT A COUPLE TWEAKS IN TERMS OF TRYING TO SCREW DOWN THE HOTEL ZONING A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT WILL TAKE A STAB AT THAT AND THEN TO MAKE IT A RETENTION POND ON NUMBER FOUR IF WIN.

BUT ANY OTHER I LIKE BOTH OF THOSE ESPECIALLY SOME SORT OF STANDARD WITH THE HOTEL.

BUT I DO THINK THAT TO JOHN'S POINT, I MEAN HE'S NOT GOING TO PUT A LESSER THAN QUALITY THING IN THIS.

IT JUST WON'T GO WITH IT.

THE I PERSONALLY THINK THE SAINT JUDE THING IS REALLY COOL BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE COMMUNITY BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AND DEVELOP INTO.

OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T GET THE FINANCIAL BENEFIT, BUT SAINT JUDE DOES FOR ME.

REVISION SEVEN.

GOSH, I'D LOVE TO HAVE A TWO IN FRONT OF IT FOR THE MINIMUM, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S.

Y'ALL TO BE SEEING HER AROUND AS WELL.

GOING TO GO THERE AT SOME POINT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE WE HOW ABOUT WE DO THIS? WHAT'S MAYBE GO ONE BY ONE? JUST THAT WAY EVERYBODY CAN KIND OF WEIGH IN AND WE CAN COALESCE AROUND KIND OF A RECOMMENDATION ITEM NUMBER ONE.

ANYBODY? ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THAT? THE EARLY RELEASE ITEM, I KNOW THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE.

THAT WAS IN ONE OF THE PUBLIC LETTERS THAT WE GOT CONCERN ABOUT IT.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TO COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS POINT, I THINK TO THE EXTENT MAYBE YOU CAN BETTER HIGHLIGHT THE REASONS WHY THERE AND THE CHARITABLE BENEFITS, ETCETERA, AND JUST BENEFITS THE PROJECT IN GENERAL, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP WITH ANY OF THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

ANY ON ITEM ONE? ANY. COMMENTS ON THAT.

OKAY. ITEM TWO, THE ADDITION OF THIS BUILDING, THE INCREASE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE, ANY.

I MEAN, IT IS INTENSIFYING THE SITE A LITTLE BIT.

I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING IN A BAD WAY, BUT IT IS INTENSIFYING THE SITE.

THE YEAH.

I THINK THE DENSITY GETS MORE, BUT IT'S ALSO A BETTER SALES TAX REVENUE.

RIGHT AND PROPERTY VALUE REVENUE.

YEAH. AND ALSO IT MIGHT BE THE LIBRARY ONE DAY, SO.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ITEM THREE I PERSONALLY HAD NO ISSUES WITH.

I KNOW WHEN YOU PUT THESE SITE PLANS TOGETHER EARLY ON, YOU KIND OF TAKE THE BEST GUESS.

AND THEN AS THEY EVOLVE, YOU NEED A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY.

AND TO THE EXTENT IT REMAINS IN THE SPIRIT, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW. I KIND OF LIKE THE CONCEPT OF BEING ONE BUILDING AS LONG AS IT'S, YOU KNOW, HAS ARTICULATION AND LOOKS NICE, WHICH I'M SURE IT WILL.

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SO BEING ABLE TO FACILITATE THAT IS IMPORTANT IN MY OPINION.

OKAY. ITEM FOUR, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE ONE ITEM TO ADDRESS THAT IN TERMS OF RETENTION POND, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. ITEM FIVE, I GUESS TO ME FALLS IN THE ITEM THREE CATEGORY IN TERMS OF JUST AS YOU BUILD OUT A SITE PLAN, IT JUST NEEDS SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH IT. BUT ANY.

CONCERN THERE.

JUST THAT AND THEY'RE PAYING FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF IT GOING FORWARD IN THE ROAD.

ITEM NUMBER SIX IS INTERESTING, JUST GIVEN I'VE LEARNED SOMETHING NEW TONIGHT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET RAMPS REVERSED ON US.

CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION PROJECT TO TAKE PLACE FOR TWO YEARS AND WATCH THAT HAPPEN.

BUT THAT SEEMED FINE TO ME.

YEAH, NO, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

ANYTHING TO IMPROVE THAT TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THERE IS GOOD.

OKAY. AND THEN THAT BRINGS US BACK TO ITEM SEVEN.

AND I GUESS WE WANT TO START THROWING OUT ANY RECOMMENDED NUMBERS THERE.

VICE CHAIR YOU LOOK LIKE.

WELL, ORIGINALLY I WAS GOING TO SAY I WOULD PREFER THE 1800 SQUARE FEET, BUT I THINK AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, WE CAN SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER IS.

NOBODY'S GOING TO KNOW ANY DIFFERENCE.

IT'S STILL 50 UNITS.

IT'S STILL THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE.

IF YOU HAVE 1605 OF THEM AND, YOU KNOW, 5 OR 6 OF THEM ARE 3000, I MEAN, NOBODY'S GOING TO KNOW.

IT'S NOT GOING TO MATTER.

AND AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT GOING BELOW 1600, THEN I'M FINE WITH IT AFTER THINKING ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WELL, THAT'S ONE VOTE FOR 1600 HERE.

WE'LL LET TEN YEAR OVER HERE GO NEXT.

WELL, 1600 TO 1800 IS A WALK IN CLOSET.

SO I AGREE WITH THE VICE COMMISSIONER THERE THAT IT'S YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER TO START WITH.

OKAY. OTHER.

IS THERE A CHANCE IT'LL GO LOWER THAN 50? COULD THEY? IF YOU HAVE THE DEMAND FOR MORE LARGER UNITS? NO. YEAH, I'M.

OH, SAY THAT AGAIN. I'M SORRY FOR YOU, BUT.

NO, I THINK SIZE, RIGHT? ISN'T THAT MUCH. YEAH.

MORE SIZE, BUT YEAH, I JUST FOR THE RECORD, I STILL LIKE HAVING A TWO IN FRONT OF IT, BUT I'M NOT.

I'M NOT GOING TO SHOOT DOWN THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE OF ONE ONE ITEM.

YEAH. I ADMIT I KIND OF LIKE THE 1800 BETTER, BUT I DON'T KNOW, WE'LL SEE WHERE COUNCIL WINDS UP, I GUESS.

LAURA. I DO AGREE SOMETHING WITH IT TOO WOULD BE BETTER.

BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S A DEAL BREAKER.

I THINK IT MAKES IT MORE RISK FOR CONTROVERSY BY BEING SO LOW.

BUT I THINK IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR THAT QUIRKY LOCATION WHERE WE'RE LIKE THE CORNER OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE JUST JUST HAVING A LITTLE BIT WIGGLE ROOM TO BE ABLE TO FIT IT ALL IN.

OKAY. WELL, MAYBE WE DON'T TWEAK IT IN OUR MOTION, BUT I'M SURE THE APPLICANT KNOWS IT'LL PROBABLY BE A FOCUS IN HIS SEPTEMBER 5TH MEETING, SO I'M SURE HE'LL BE READY.

I GUESS COUNCIL OR STAFF CAN AT LEAST CONVEY THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND IT.

ULTIMATELY, MAYBE WE LEAVE IT ALONE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THE APPLICANT CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ITEMS FOR A MOTION TO WORK INTO THIS? UM. DON'T HOPE THE APPLICANT DOESN'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY, BUT I HOPE THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST TIMES WE SEE YOU FOR A LITTLE WHILE, SO.

OKAY. YEAH. I'VE HAD A FEELING THAT IT WAS MUTUAL.

OKAY, I GUESS WE WILL GO AHEAD AND TRY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA.

ZA 23-0045, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 11TH, 2023.

ALSO SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW.

SUMMARY NUMBER TWO, DATED AUGUST 11TH, 2023, NOTING APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE REQUESTED WITH RESPECT TO THE STREET CONNECTIONS AND NOTING THAT WITH RESPECT TO ZONING REVISION NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED THAT WILL BE A RETENTION POND AS OPPOSED TO A DETENTION POND.

AND WE'LL HAVE A FOUNTAIN AND BE AN AMENITY.

AND ALSO NOTING WITH RESPECT TO THE HOTEL THAT'S GOING TO GO IN THE PROJECT THAT THE APPLICANT, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD TYPICALLY OCCUR IN THE ZONING PROCESS STAGE, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO ADDRESS THAT EITHER AT THE SITE PLAN STAGE OR BEFORE IN TERMS OF THE DETAILS AND QUALITY OF THE HOTEL AND THINGS THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE ADDRESSED AT ZONING.

YES, CITY STAFF.

MR. CHAIRMAN, ON THE RETENTION POND ASPECT.

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THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO ADDRESS DRAINAGE THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE A ABILITY TO GET OFFSITE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS FOR.

SO. BUT THE KEY IS IT WOULD BE A FUNCTIONAL RETENTION POND.

OKAY. RETENTION CAPABILITY.

OKAY. SO LET ME AMEND ON ZONING REVISION NUMBER FOUR TO SAY THAT IT WILL AND WITH THE APPLICANT'S CLARIFICATION THAT IT IS OPTIONAL TO HAVE THAT.

YES, ONLY IF THEY NEED IT.

RIGHT. BE A RETENTION DETENTION POND.

CORRECT. SO JUST TO AMEND ZONING REVISION NUMBER FOUR, WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT'S OPTIONAL IN THE EVENT THE DEVELOPER NEEDS IT.

BUT TO CLARIFY, IT WILL BE A RETENTION AND DETENTION POND THAT WILL ACT AS A RETENTION POND, MEANING THAT THERE WILL BE WATER IN IT AT ALL TIMES.

LOTS OF NICE, GOOD, GOOD MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. LET'S VOTE, PLEASE.

SIX ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

AS YOU KNOW, THEY'RE EVEN A LITTLE PICKIER THAN WE ARE.

SO GOOD LUCK.

GOOD LUCK WITH THEM. SO THANK YOU.

OKAY. WITH THAT ADJOURNS OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.