COMMISSION MEETING AND GAVEL IN
[1. Call to Order.]
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GO AHEAD AND MOVE THROUGH OUR AGENDA EXPEDITIOUSLY.SAME SITUATION IN THIS MEETING.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION.
I'M ASSUMING NO ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS.
WE'LL SKIP RIGHT TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
[5. Consider: Approving the minutes from the August 17, 2023 Sign Board Meeting.]
CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 17TH SIGN BOARD MEETING.WE'VE ALL GOT A COPY OF THOSE.
FOR THE RECORD, NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
WE'LL TAKE A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA.
OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE, PLEASE, AND THAT PASSES 7 TO 0.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
[6. Consider: SV23-0015, Sign Variances for The Gent's Place located at 1201 E. S.H. 114, Suite 140, Southlake, Texas.]
ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS A SIGN VARIANCE FOR THE GENTS PLACE HERE ON 114, AND CARROLL, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE REVIEWED WITH STAFF AND OUR WORK SESSION EARLIER. SO I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY JUST SETTLE ON HITTING THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE ON THIS ONE PRETTY QUICKLY AND THEN MOVE TO THE APPLICANT.YEAH, THESE ARE VARIANCES FOR THE GENTS PLACE LOCATED AT 1201 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114, SUITE 140.
THIS IS THE BUILDING THE GENTS PLACE IS LOCATED IN.
THIS JUST EXHIBIT JUST SHOWS THE STREET SETBACKS FROM 114 AND CARROLL AVENUE.
WE HAVE THE WEST ELEVATION SIGN AND THE EAST ELEVATION SIGN.
THIS IS AN ENLARGED SIGN VIEW, AND ON THE WEST ELEVATION, THE VARIANCES ARE FOR THE SIGN TYPE.
UNDER THE STANDARD SIGN ORDINANCE PUSH THROUGH CABINET SIGNS ARE NOT PERMITTED.
SO THERE'S A VARIANCE FOR LOGO HEIGHT.
THEY'D BE ALLOWED 20IN ON THIS ELEVATION AND THE LOGO HEIGHT IS 48IN.
I JUST HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF OTHER VARIANCES IN THE AREA, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL UP THE APPLICANT.
OTHERWISE WE'LL JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
MIMOSA LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 75230.
SO WE WERE POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT RELOCATING THE SIGNAGE FROM SPACE 130 TO SPACE 140 NEXT DOOR, AND THEY THREW OUR SIGNAGE AWAY.
FORTUNATELY, WE HAD SOME SIGNAGE IN STORAGE THAT WE WERE GOING TO USE IN OUR MIDLAND ODESSA LOCATION THAT'S IN NEAR-PERFECT SHAPE, AND SO THAT'S THE SIGNAGE YOU'RE SEEING TODAY, AND LAS COLINAS DID APPROVE THE SIGNAGE PREVIOUSLY, AND IT WAS BEAUTIFUL AND PERFECT IN EVERY WAY, AND WE'RE HOPING SOUTHLAKE LOVES IT AS MUCH AS AS LOS COLINAS DID.
OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
WHAT IS THE GENTS PLACE? THE GENTS PLACE, IMAGINE A COUNTRY CLUB MEETS SPEAKEASY MEETS BARBERSHOP.
OKAY. SO AS YOU CAN TELL BY THE SIGN, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME DETERMINING WHAT IT IS.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU IN.
VERY GOOD. SO WHY WAS THE SIGN IN STORAGE? THE SIGN WAS IN STORAGE BECAUSE WE CLOSED OUR LAS COLINAS LOCATION SHORTLY AFTER OPENING IT.
WE WERE ONE OF THE UNFORTUNATE CASUALTIES THAT OPENED RIGHT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO GRAB OUR SIGNAGE AND CLOSE THAT LOCATION. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANKS. YEP.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, ACTUALLY.
CAN YOU TELL ME HOW YOU ALL DETERMINED THAT THIS IS A LOGO VERSUS HOW WOULD YOU HAVE DETERMINED TO CONSIDER THIS A LOGO? LITTLE SIGN.
IT'S JUST KIND OF ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT GENERALLY WHEN THERE'S A SHAPE LIKE THIS.
IT'S KIND OF AN UNUSUAL SHAPE.
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I DON'T REALLY HAVE A GREAT ANSWER FOR THAT, BUT IT'S JUST IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY USE ON THEIR OTHER ITEMS. SO YEAH, THEIR MARKETING ITEMS. SO THAT'S HOW WE CAME TO THAT DETERMINATION.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.
GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU, AND I MIGHT ASK STAFF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, REALLY QUICKLY TO COME BACK UP TO THE PODIUM AND JUST VERY QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE OTHER SIGNS THAT ARE AT THE CENTER AND JUST ANY VARIANCES.
WE YEAH, THE CAPITAL GRILLE GOT VARIANCES FOR SIGN WIDTH AND SIGN AREA.
ALSO, THEY HAD TWO SIGNS ON THE EAST ELEVATION AND THERE WAS ALSO A LETTER HEIGHT VARIANCE.
OKAY, AND CHUY'S THE VARIANCES WERE PRIMARILY FOR THE SIGN TYPE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE SIGN TYPE.
MEANING IS THIS A BACKER OR, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
OKAY. YEAH, AND IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT I REMEMBER THE CAPITAL GRILLE WAS THEY WANTED TO INCREASE IN SIZE JUST BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND 114 I BELIEVE IS THE REASON.
THE CAPITAL GRILLE ONE IS ALL CHANNEL CUT LETTERS.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S HALO ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTERS.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU.
ANY COMMENTS, THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? ANYONE? WELL, I THINK IT'S VERY SAD THAT THEY GOT THEIR SIGN THROWN OUT, SO I THINK I'D PERSONALLY I'D TAKE THAT PERSONALLY IF I WERE THEM, BUT I CAN JUSTIFY THEM USING THEIR RESOURCES THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE ON HAND.
SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAD A PRETTY HARD TIME AT LAS COLINAS OVER THERE, SO.
YEAH, THAT'S ALL KIND OF PULLING AT ME SOME, BUT THEN THERE'S THIS PRECEDENT SIDE OF ME THAT REALLY STRUGGLES WITH A PUSH THROUGH CABINET SIGN THAT I MEAN, IF THEY COME IN HERE AND GIVE US THE STORY, THEN EVERYBODY CAN COME IN AND GIVE US THE STORY THEORETICALLY.
SO I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO IT, AND I FEEL LIKE THE CENTER OWNER AND CAPITAL GRILLE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, GET YOU THE SIGN THAT YOU NEED AND DESERVE THAT THEY THREW OUT HONESTLY AND THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CLIMBING IN A WAREHOUSE TO FIND IT.
SO I MEAN, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE SIZE, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT HERE, WE'RE KIND OF GOING THERE IN TERMS OF SIZE LOOKS FINE, ALBEIT I GET IT. YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE SUBJECTIVE ON HOW YOU INTERPRET THE LOGO, BUT JUST AND THAT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY, I GUESS I JUST STRUGGLE WITH THE SIGN TYPE.
I AGREE, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS JUST ENTERTAIN ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON IT AND OR TAKE A VOTE AND JUST SEE.
I HAVE A QUESTION, DAN, WAS THERE A PREVIOUS SIGN THAT WAS HERE THAT WASN'T A PUSH THROUGH CABINET SIGN? I'LL LET STAFF ANSWER THAT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT PART OF IT WAS IN COMPLIANCE.
YEAH, I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A PICTURE OF ONE OF THEIR SIGNS LOOKED LIKE.
SO THIS SIGN ACTUALLY WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED UNDER CURRENT ORDINANCE.
THEY THIS WAS INSTALLED, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2015.
WHEN IT WAS INSTALLED, IT WAS COMPLIANT.
YES. YES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
OKAY, YEAH, A LITTLE MORE COMPLIANT THAN, I THINK THE PROPOSED ONE TONIGHT.
GOOD QUESTION. OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE AN EMOTIONAL TIE TO THE PUSH OR NOT.
YOU KNOW, THE SIGN AREA IS LESS THAN WE WANT, SO THAT'S GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE A BIG ANCHOR TO IT.
OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I THINK MAYBE WE JUST ENTERTAIN A MOTION, WE SEE HOW IT GOES, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF TALK THE APPLICANT THROUGH OPTIONS.
ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA SV23-0015, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2023.
OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS IS.
ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE, AND YOU PASS 4 TO 3.
SO GOOD LUCK, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS YOU HEARD TONIGHT, SIGNS ARE SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE.
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WE DO OUR BEST TO KIND OF TRY AND FOLLOW GUIDANCE FROM THE WAY CITY COUNCIL LOOKS AT IT.I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A VARIETY OF OPINIONS THERE, TOO.
SO I GUESS I MEAN, I THINK STAFF CAN COMMUNICATE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE STRUGGLE WITH BECAUSE COUNCIL WILL TYPICALLY ASK, WELL, WHY DID THREE STRUGGLE WITH IT? AND I THINK WHAT I KIND OF HEARD TONIGHT, IT WASN'T SO MUCH THE SIZE AS IT WAS THE SIGN TYPE.
SO ANYWAY, GOOD LUCK AT THE AT THE NEXT LEVEL MEETING ON OCTOBER 3RD.
SO GOOD LUCK, AND TONIGHT WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:02 P.M..
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.