Sep 26, 2023 SPIN Town Hall Forum

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GOOD EVENING.

[1. Call to Order: Video Introduction of SPIN Program by Southlake Mayor John Huffman ]

ONE OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS A COMMITTEE IS HOSTING SPIN TOWN HALL FORUMS. THE PURPOSE OF SPIN IS TO GAIN FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS ON DEVELOPMENT RELATED PROJECTS AND OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY.

SPIN IS AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND NO VOTES ARE TAKEN.

SPIN IS STREAMED LIVE THROUGH SOUTHLAKE TV ON THE CITY'S MAIN WEBSITE.

CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.COM.

NEXT, WE WILL SHOW A BRIEF VIDEO INTRODUCTION OF THE SPIN PROGRAM BY SOUTHLAKE MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN.

GOOD EVENING. I'M SOUTHLAKE MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT'S SPIN TOWN HALL FORUM.

THE ITEMS PRESENTED AT SPIN REPRESENT IDEAS OFTEN IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.

NOW, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THIS CONVERSATION STARTS HERE.

FIRST WITH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WITH YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPER.

THERE ARE NO VOTES TAKEN AT SPIN AND NO DECISIONS ARE MADE.

SPIN IS SIMPLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE.

AND ONCE THE MEETING IS OVER, BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ARE PROVIDED WITH A SPIN MEETING REPORT THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE DISCUSSION FROM TONIGHT. WE TAKE YOUR IMPRESSIONS AND QUESTIONS INTO ACCOUNT WHEN CONSIDERING ANY ITEM THAT COMES BEFORE US.

FURTHER ALONG IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION TO HELPING MAKE SOUTHLAKE A BETTER PLACE.

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. FOR THOSE IN ATTENDANCE WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPIN SPEAKER CARD LOCATED TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND DELIVER IT TO MYSELF OR A CITY STAFF MEMBER.

I WILL ASK THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK TO USE THE MICROPHONE IN THE AISLE FOR THE Q&A PORTION OF THE MEETING.

WE DEVELOPED AN ONLINE SPIN FORM FOR RESIDENTS TO SUBMIT THEIR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING IF THEY ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND.

I WILL READ THROUGH THESE SUBMISSIONS AFTER THE RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCE WHO HAVE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK.

[2. SPIN2023-18 - An applicant is proposing to develop eighteen (18) luxury homesites on approximately 11.7 acres located at the northwest corner of N. White Chapel Blvd. and W. Bob Jones Rd. within SPIN Neighborhood #1.]

CURTIS YOUNG IS HERE TO PRESENT OUR ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS SPIN 2023-18.

AN APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP 18 LUXURY HOME SITES ON APPROXIMATELY 11.7 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH WHITECHAPEL BOULEVARD AND WEST BOB JONES ROAD WITHIN SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER ONE.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS CURTIS YOUNG WITH THE SAGE GROUP, AND THIS IS TRAVIS FRANKS WITH LITTLE TREE CUSTOM HOMES.

AND WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT THIS PROJECT AND GET YOUR INPUT.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SPEAKING WITH YOU ABOUT IT.

FIRST, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR, LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON THE SITE AND EXACTLY WHERE IT IS.

THIS IS THE NORTH WHITECHAPEL CORRIDOR.

SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 11.7 ACRES AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WHITECHAPEL AND BOB JONES.

WHITE CHAPEL GOES NORTH, SOUTH, AND THEN BOB JONES GOES OFF TO THE WEST FROM THAT INTERSECTION.

THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR THIS AREA SHOWS THAT IT IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

AND THE ZONING IS A MIX OF RE AND SF1A ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

AND SO IN THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO ON HERE, WE THOUGHT OF SEVERAL THINGS, ONE OF WHICH WAS TO REQUEST SF1A AND WE COULD FIT 11 SF1A LOTS ON THIS PROPERTY.

WE TOOK THAT AND AN ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL, WHICH WAS THIS ONE TO THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE AND THEY ENCOURAGED US TO LOOK AT THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S ONLY AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN LOTS AND IT WOULD TAKE ALL DRIVEWAYS OFF OF

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SO THIS SHOWS YOU CAN SEE HERE AN ENTRY OFF OF BOB JONES DOWN HERE, A ROAD BASICALLY GOING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY, TURNING HERE AND INTERSECTING FOR A SECONDARY ENTRY OVER HERE ON WHITECHAPEL.

WE PROPOSE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG BOB JONES, AS WELL AS A POND AND ENTRY FEATURE ON THE WHITECHAPEL ENTRY HERE.

AGAIN, THERE WOULD BE 18 HALF ACRE PLUS LOTS ON HERE.

DRAINAGE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT CAREFULLY.

THE SADDLEBACK ESTATES HERE DRAINS TOWARD A DETENTION POND IN THIS LOCATION HERE IN THE BACK OF THESE TWO LOTS.

SO THAT DRAINAGE WOULD HAVE TO BE ACCOMMODATED THROUGH HERE INTO THIS POND AND THEN ULTIMATELY INTO THIS LAKE IN THIS LOCATION HERE, WHICH THEN EMPTIES INTO GRAPEVINE LAKE.

AS FAR AS THE ENTRY DESIGN GOES, IT'S A MIX OF WATER FEATURES AND ABUNDANT LANDSCAPING.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS WOULD BE THE ENTRY ALONG BOB JONES ROAD HERE.

AND. HERE'S HOW THAT ENTRY MIGHT LOOK.

WE'RE EXPLORING THE IDEA OF A GATE.

WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, BUT WE'RE EXPLORING THAT IDEA.

A NICE ENTRY FEATURE WITH WATER AND REAL HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS.

NICE LANDSCAPING.

BOTH HERE AND AT THE OTHER ENTRY.

IT WAS KIND OF A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF HOW IT WOULD LOOK FROM BOB JONES.

BUT BE LIT AT NIGHT, OF COURSE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THESE WOULD BASICALLY BE THE 18 HOUSE PADS HERE.

THEY WOULD ALL ACCESS THEIR HOUSES FROM THE INTERNAL ROAD.

THERE WOULD BE NO ACCESS OFF OF WHITECHAPEL, DIRECTLY OFF OF WHITECHAPEL OR BOB JONES.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE LANDSCAPING AROUND LIKE THIS.

SO THAT'S OUR PLAN AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

TRAVIS IF YOU HAVE SOME THINGS TO SAY TOO.

SO JUST TO INTRODUCE MYSELF, TRAVIS FRANKS, WILLOW TREE CUSTOM HOMES.

WE ARE A LOCAL COMPANY, A LOCAL BUILDING COMPANY, DEVELOPING COMPANY WHO'S DONE SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THE SOUTH LAKE.

WE ARE THIRD GENERATION SOUTHLAKE.

OUR FAMILY'S BEEN IN SOUTH LAKE SINCE 1955.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE GROWTH AND HOW HOW IT'S HAPPENED WHEN IT'S HAPPENED AND ALL THE INS AND OUTS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENTS AROUND YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS SADDLEBACK, AS WELL AS ALL THE STUFF GOING ON ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF OF 114.

THIS PROPERTY OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN SITTING FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND THE REASON WHY IT HADN'T BEEN SOLD QUICKER, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE INSIGHT BEHIND THE CURTAIN IS THAT THE SELLER DOESN'T LIVE HERE.

HE LIVES SOMEWHERE IN UTAH, OREGON, SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND HE IS HE WAS ASKING AN ASTRONOMICAL PRICE FOR THE PROPERTY.

SO THEREFORE IT GOT OVERLOOKED IN A SENSE THAT IT WAS IT WAS JUST TOO EXPENSIVE TO REALLY DO ANYTHING WITH REGARDLESS, REGARDLESS OF THE DENSITY.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE WERE NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT FOR THE PROPERTY, WE ALWAYS ASSUMED IT'S GOING TO BE ONE ACRE WE WERE GOING TO MATCH.

OBVIOUSLY, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND AROUND THIS PROPERTY AND AROUND THE ENTIRE BOB JONES AREA AND WHITE CHAPEL AREA.

SO IT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE ONE ACRE.

SO THE ONE ACRE PROPERTY WE PRESENTED WAS 11.1 ACRES.

NOW WE HAD TO PURCHASE AGAIN, NOT AS WE ALL KNOW, LAND PRICES ARE NOT AS CHEAP AS THEY USED TO BE.

WE HAD TO PURCHASE THE THE OTHER PARCELS NORTH OF THE THE, THE LARGER PARCEL OF THE TEN ACRES OR SO.

SO THAT GIVES US THAT THAT TOTAL OF 11, WHATEVER, 11.5 ACRES.

SO WHEN WE MADE THAT PURCHASE AND WE MADE THIS NEGOTIATION, WE PRESENTED THE ONE ACRE AS A PLAN THE CORRIDOR MEETING AND GET TO A LITTLE BIT OF A NARRATIVE, A LITTLE BIT OF A CONVERSATION THAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN SOUTHLAKE IS THAT THEY ASKED US THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE ADDITIONAL LARGER ONE ACRE LOTS.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE ALL THE DRIVEWAYS OFF WHITECHAPEL.

THE PART TWO OF THAT IS THAT THE AFFORDABILITY OF ONE ACRE LOTS START FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION, ABOUT A $4 MILLION HOUSE.

THIS IS FROM LAND PURCHASES LAND ONE ACRE LOTS WOULD PROBABLY START AT 1 TO 2 ONE THREE JUST ON A RAW LAND ON ONE ACRE.

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SO AGAIN, GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD HOUSES FOR THAT TWO AND ONE HALF MILLION DOLLAR PRICE POINT STARTING MORE THAN LIKELY.

AND THIS SOMETHING IN THIS COMMUNITY GATED AGAIN VERY HIGH END, DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO DEVALUE ANYBODY'S PROPERTY.

IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LAND.

WE'RE FINDING THAT AS A BUILDER LOCAL HERE, AS A DEVELOPER, LOCAL HERE, THAT THERE'S NOT NOT EVERYBODY IS IN NEED FOR ONE ACRE LOTS.

NOT EVERYBODY WANTS ONE ACRE LOTS.

WE'RE ACTUALLY, FROM A KID PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT VERY MANY $4 MILLION PRICE POINTS THAT WE CAN THAT THAT YOUNG FAMILIES CAN AFFORD TO GET INTO THIS COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S NOT THE REASON NECESSARILY.

I'M NOT PROMOTING THAT AND PUSHING THAT TOWARDS YOU.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US IN THAT SCENARIO.

WE ARE I WOULD ADD THIS PLAN TO ME LOOKS REALLY NICE.

I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE PLAN.

ONE ACRE DOES WELL FOR ME AS WELL.

SO AGAIN, I'M JUST WE'RE PRESENTING THIS AS AN ALTERNATIVE BECAUSE WE GOT ASKED TO AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ALWAYS WILL MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN A VERY HIGH QUALITY, HIGH END PRICE POINT WITH HIGH END CUSTOM HOMES.

NONE OF THESE WILL BE PRODUCTION.

THEY WILL BE VERY, VERY HIGH END.

SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S A GREAT ADDITION TO THE TO THE AREA.

I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING'S ONE ACRE, SO I KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE DENSITY TODAY.

AND WE'RE HAPPY TO UNDERSTAND THAT FROM YOUR SIDE OF THE SIDE OF THE TABLE AS WELL.

BUT JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE CAME FROM AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, TO LISTEN TO YOU ALL AND UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND SEE IF WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID.

LET'S GO. ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE NOW MOVING INTO THE COMMENT SECTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE RICHARD ANDERSON TO COME AND SPEAK.

HI. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.

I'M RICHARD ANDERSON.

I LIVE ON WHITECHAPEL.

YES, SIR. JUST ON THAT POND AND JUST A LITTLE BIT PAST THIS PROPERTY.

OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION.

I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL JUST START OUT WITH DRAINAGE.

YES, WE'VE GOT SOME PROBLEMS WITH DRAINAGE OUT THERE.

IT'S REAL IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THAT POND.

IT'S ACROSS THE STREET THAT THE DRAINAGE IS NOT DISRUPTED IN ANY WAY.

WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT WITH SADDLEBACK AND THAT ISSUE DIDN'T COME TO PASS.

ACTUALLY, IT WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL.

SO WE'RE VERY CONCERNED.

WHAT WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR NUMBER ONE FOR THE DRAINAGE ACROSS THERE? THERE'S A STREAM THAT RUNS ACROSS.

SO I'M GOING TO ANSWER ONE THING AND LET HIM GET INTO THAT, TOO, BECAUSE WE SO WE ACTUALLY MET WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERING ON THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE IS A A STREAM, A CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE.

THE CORPS OF ENGINEERING DID VERIFY THAT THEY'VE ABANDONED THAT.

SO ALL WE HAVE TO DO FROM A THE DETENTION POND SCENARIO AND AGAIN, WE'RE STILL DOING PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING.

SO I'M NOT THINGS WILL OBVIOUSLY ELEVATE AND WE'LL ALSO GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL WITH WHAT WE HAVE COMING DOWN THE PIPE.

BUT EVERYTHING WILL BE ENGINEERED AND EVERYTHING WILL BE PRESENTED AT THE NEXT P AND Z TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE'RE DOING TO MAKE SURE IT SATISFIES, THAT IT SATISFIES SADDLEBACK, SATISFIES THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE POND, BUT IT WILL BE TAKEN UNDER THE ROAD INTO THE POND SLASH CREEK.

ACROSS THE THE WAY IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH OUR ENGINEER.

DID YOU I NOTICE THAT YOU DID YOU TAKE OVER THE CORNER LOT WHERE THE THE FOLKS HAVE THE TWO WHITE HOUSES NOW IN THAT PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO THE HORSE FARM? YES, THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT.

PART OF THIS AS WELL. YES, SIR.

SO THAT'S HOW YOU GOT TO 11 ACRES? YES, SIR. 11.7 ACRES TOTAL? YES, SIR. OKAY. BECAUSE WE'VE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHAT WAS ON THE ROLLS FOR DENTON COUNTY WAS 9.8077.

OKAY, SO WE HAD THE PART THAT'S PART PARCELS TO PARCELS THAT HAVE TO COME TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS WORK.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

HOW HOW HARD ARE YOU GOING TO TRY TO SELL THE ENTRANCE OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL? THAT STRETCH IS NARROW.

IT'S ALSO FAIRLY BLIND AT SPOTS.

AND IT GOES AROUND A CORNER RIGHT PAST THERE.

YES, SIR. SO I'D BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING AN ENTRANCE OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL.

YEAH. SO, I MEAN, THE MAIN ENTRY WOULD BE OFF.

BOB JONES PROPOSED OFF BOB JONES.

OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE COULD UTILIZE THAT THAT EXIT OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL.

WE'RE GOING TO GET A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE AS WELL.

SO JUST TO KIND OF VERIFY WHAT WE'RE ADDING ON TO THE TO THE STREET, JUST TO SATISFY ANY KIND OF CONCERNS ABOUT ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC OR AND OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE EXITS AND THE SAFETY OF GETTING IN AND OUT OF THAT AREA.

SO STILL EARLY ENOUGH THAT BUT WE ARE WE ARE BRINGING AN ENGINEER, TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

THE OTHER THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS THE ESTHETICS OF THE FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY.

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YEAH, SO WHAT KIND OF FENCING ARE YOU GOING TO PUT AROUND IT? I MEAN, AT THIS STAGE, THIS THIS PLAN SHOWS WROUGHT IRON.

MORE THAN LIKELY WE'LL DO WROUGHT IRON MASONRY COLUMNS WITH MASONRY COLUMNS.

YEAH. SO, SO JUST KIND OF KEEPING THE HIGH END FEEL BUT WROUGHT IRON ON THE CORNERS OF BOB JONES AND POTENTIALLY ALL THE WAY UP WHITE CHAPEL.

OKAY. AND SO OTHER PARTS THAT I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, THAT THERE ARE ELEMENTS WITHIN SOUTHLAKE THAT WOULD PREFER HALF ACRE LOTS INSTEAD OF ONE ACRE.

YEAH, THAT'S ALL WE DID. THEY WERE IT WAS PRESENTED THAT WAY IN THE CORRIDOR MEETING.

THE LAST CORRIDOR MEETING WE HAD QUARTER MEETING.

YES SIR. THAT'S A REPRESENTATION OF LIKE MULTIPLE COUNCIL P AND Z AND SOME OTHER STAFF MEMBERS.

THEY COME TOGETHER UP HERE AND TELL US KIND OF WHAT THEIR FEEDBACK IS.

IT'S NOT WE DON'T REALLY GET A CHANCE TO CONVERSE AS MUCH AS THEM JUST TELLING US OUR FEEDBACK.

WELL, I'D ASK THE LADIES HERE WHAT WHAT? I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A CORRIDOR MEETING THAT WOULD IMPACT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHY WOULD THAT? WHY WEREN'T WE NOTIFIED THE THESE? CORRIDOR. I'M SORRY.

CORRIDOR. CORRIDOR.

CORRIDOR. YEAH.

THESE ARE PUBLIC MEETINGS.

THESE MEETINGS ARE NOT TYPICALLY NOTIFIED FOR THIS IS REALLY JUST FOR THE APPLICANT TO CONVERSE WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS P AND Z, COMMISSION MEMBERS AND PARKS BOARD MEMBERS.

BUT THESE MEETINGS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

OKAY. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING TO GET.

WELL, I WOULD JUST WANT TO YOU KNOW, I CAN'T CLOSE WITHOUT SAYING HALF ACRE LOTS AIN'T GOING TO MAKE IT UP THERE.

YEAH, THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. LET'S PLEASE KEEP DECORUM.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE.

I'M SO SORRY. LET'S PLEASE NOT APPLAUD.

PLEASE KEEP MEETING DECORUM.

WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THIS VERY CIVIL.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NEXT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE BRAD DISPENZA.

SO I'M BRAD. I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO IT.

SO JUST NEXT TO IT, I'M LIKE THIS.

OF THIS. YES, SIR. OKAY.

SO A NUMBER OF OUR NEIGHBORS COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT, BUT I WAS HERE TO TRY TO BE THE VOICE FOR THEM.

FOR THE RECORD, WE ARE ALL STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THE DENSITY THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO PUT INTO THIS AREA IS UNIMAGINABLE.

IT DOESN'T GO WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR MOST OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA ARE APPROXIMATELY AN ACRE OR MORE.

AS YOU GO TO THE RANCHES THAT GO TO THE NORTH OF THE DIAGRAM THERE, IT'S EVEN MORE.

THERE ARE SMALLER RANCHES.

OVERALL, THIS DECREASES THE CHARM AND VALUE OF THAT COMMUNITY.

AND ALSO, I'M REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO CRAM MORE HOUSES INTO WHITECHAPEL ROAD, WHICH PRESENTLY IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR THE 10TH TIME WITH NO ACCESS.

IT'S A TWO LANE ROAD IN THAT'S CONSTANTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

IF WE GO UP TO BOB JONES GOING THE OTHER WAY, IT'S A TWO LANE ROAD THAT HAS A 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE ADDING AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF DENSITY FOR AN AREA THAT CAN BARELY HANDLE WHAT IT ALREADY HAS.

IT JUST DOES IT BAFFLES THE MIND.

I DON'T FAULT YOU FOR A DEVELOPER TO TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING HERE, BUT THE DENSITY THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS INSANE.

SO AND THAT'S AND THAT'S, THAT'S TO BE FAIR.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

SO I WANT TO SHOW THAT TO SHOW WHAT KIND OF CARS ARE INCREASED BY WHAT WE'RE DOING.

EITHER IT'S IF IT'S 11 OR IF IT'S 18.

SO THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE SEVEN DIFFERENT FAMILIES.

SO EITHER WAY, THE ONE ACRE TO ME VERSUS THE SEVEN FROM A STATISTICAL STANDPOINT, I WANT TO SHOW THAT TO YOU.

I DON'T WANT TO DO IT. I DON'T WANT TO PRETEND TO KNOW IT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ENGINEER DO IT.

SO, YES, I TOTALLY AGREE.

I'VE ACTUALLY I OFFICE NEXT DOOR TO THE GUYS DOING THE BRIDGE RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S INSANE. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A YEAR, WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF IT.

BUT A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

BUT THAT'S. THAT'S NOT MY WORLD EITHER.

BUT I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

AGAIN, I WAS HERE WHEN 14 WAS WHEN TWO LANE ROAD, TOO.

SO I'VE BEEN HERE.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S IT'S I UNDERSTAND THE THE ISSUE SOUTH LAKES HAS PROBABLY NOT RECOGNIZED THAT THE GROWTH THAT THEY HAD SO QUICKLY IN THE 90S AND 2000 THAT THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY MAYBE ACCOMMODATE FOR SOME OF THAT.

I'M NOT TELLING YOU WRONG.

I'M JUST SAYING I'M TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION AND LET LET THE COUNCIL AND AND THE CITIZENS TELL US WHAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE.

SO DON'T DISAGREE.

SO. ALL RIGHT.

NEXT, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE JIM SWOFFORD.

YEAH. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JIM SWOFFORD.

I'M AT 301 KING RANCH ROAD THERE IN CLARENDON RANCH.

AND LIKE YOU, I'M A LONG TIME RESIDENT.

MY FAMILY DOESN'T GO BACK TO 55, BUT I HAVE BEEN HERE THE PAST 25 OUT OF THE 27 YEARS, LIVING WITHIN HALF A MILE OF THIS PROPERTY.

RIGHT. AND I BELIEVE THIS MAY BE THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY HAD THE HORSES THAT WERE RUNNING THAT THEY HAD TO TAKE.

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SO IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO DEVELOP IT.

HOWEVER, BEING BOTH SOUTHLAKE ENTITIES, YOU KNOW, NORTH 114 DENSITY IS DIFFERENT.

THAT CORRIDOR MEETING, THEY SHOULD LOOK TO THE SOUTH OF 114.

YES, UNDERSTOOD..

YOU'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT HERE.

YOU'RE TAKING TEN ISH ACRES AND CONVERTING THEM TO 18 HOMES.

I CHALLENGE THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO LISTEN TO THIS FROM THE CITY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF 8, YOU KNOW 10 ACRE PLOTS OF LAND ON WHITECHAPEL TO THE SOUTH AROUND CONTINENTAL, NICE HOMES, BUT YOU CAN DEMOLISH THEM AND PUT 18 HOMES ON IT, RIGHT? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE CITY THINKS ABOUT DOING THAT, PUTTING HIGHER DENSITY WHERE LARGER HOMES ARE.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED.

I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A TRUE ANSWER.

I UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THE FENCING RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE CONSIDERING WROUGHT IRON, ETCETERA, ALONG BOB JONES.

WHAT ABOUT THE BACK OF THE HOUSES THAT ENTIRE STRETCH OF WHITE CHAPEL? WHAT WHAT ARE THE PLANS THERE? WHAT'S THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS? DO YOU HAVE AN HOA THAT'S GOING TO ENSURE THAT IT IS ADEQUATE FOR THE COMMUNITY, NOT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY? YEAH, I MEAN, THE ANSWER IS YES.

THE ANSWER. THERE WILL BE AN HOA WITHIN THE WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT PIECE THAT WOULD MAINTAIN ALL THE FENCING, ALL THE LANDSCAPING AND EVERYTHING GOES ALONG WITH THE ENTITY AS A WHOLE. THE FENCING, IT WOULD BE, TO ME, A BETTER WAY TO ANSWER THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE HONESTLY AN ESTHETIC PIECE THAT THE COUNCIL P&Z AND CITIZENS WOULD WANT TO SEE IF THIS WAS GOING TO GO FORWARD AND THAT THAT THAT THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD WOULD FENCING WROUGHT IRON FENCING.

I MEAN IT'S WHAT KIND OF WHAT I THINK AGAIN I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER YET I DON'T OBVIOUSLY HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED ESTHETICALLY IF WROUGHT IRON LOOKS BETTER THEN THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE. IF THE THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO DO COLUMNS WITH WOOD FENCING, WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL.

SO CLARENDON RANCH, WHERE YOU LIVE, IS MORE OF A RANCH FENCE ALONG THERE, BUT IT'S OPEN AND I THINK THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE OPEN, WHETHER IT WHETHER IT MATCHES WHAT WE DID IN CLARENDON RANCH OR WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, WROUGHT IRON WITH MASONRY COLUMNS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE UPSCALE IS SOMETHING TO BE DETERMINED.

IT'S NOT JUST CLARENDON RANCH.

IT'S ALSO SADDLEBACK RIDGE RIGHT NEXT DOOR, RIGHT? YEP. ONE THING THAT I ONE THING WOULD, YOU KNOW, JUST DRIVE DOWN, UP AND DOWN KING AND LOOK AT TROPHY CLUB AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT STOCKADE FENCING DOES.

YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY. SO MY MY OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU IS YOU GUYS ARE BOTH, YOU KNOW, HERE IN SOUTH LAKE.

HAVE YOU DONE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS? I KNOW SAGE GROUP HAS HAVE YOU DONE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS HERE? I HAVE. THIS IS OUR FIFTH.

OKAY. SO HAVE YOU MADE DEALS WITH THE CITY? WHERE? YOU DID SOMETHING FOR ONE OF YOUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS TO WHERE THEY WILL THEN GRANT YOU A WAIVER FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS.

THAT IS SOMETHING THE CITY DOES.

SO THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS.

IN MY EXPERIENCE. AND I'VE DONE DOZENS I'VE GOT WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION ON HOW THAT HAPPENED AT CLAIRTON RANCH.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IN SOUTHLAKE IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO WAIVER, IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE ZONING ALLOWS, YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE TO GET.

AND WHERE THE DEVELOPER FOR CLARENDON RANCH DID IS THEY GAVE 14 ACRES.

TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE TO CREATE CITY PARKS.

OKAY. AND FOR THAT THEY RECEIVED A WAIVER OF NOT ONE ACRES.

THERE IS A PORTION, A SMALL PORTION OF CLARION RANCH, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF, WHICH IS NOT ONE ACRE.

BUT HOW THEY GOT THAT WAIVER WAS BY DONATING LAND.

ALL RIGHT. SO I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN CONVERSING WITH THE CITY FOR ANY TYPE OF A DEAL.

RIGHT. THAT MAY NEGATIVELY IMPACT THIS COMMUNITY FOR SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE.

OR IF YOU DID IT IN THE PAST THAT THIS IS THE HANDSHAKE THAT YOU'RE GIVEN.

THE ANSWER IS NO. YEAH, I'VE NOT BEEN THAT HAS NOT BEEN PRESENTED FOR ME.

LINDA IS OBVIOUSLY RESTRICTED IN THIS TOWN.

AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOT MUCH LAND LEFT IN THIS TOWN.

THE ANSWER IS NO, AND NOR DID I WOULD WANT TO ENTERTAIN THAT.

THAT SEEMS LIKE A SLOPPY AND DISHONEST WAY OF DOING BUSINESS.

AND AGAIN, I CARE MORE ABOUT THE CITY, THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE MY KIDS ARE IN THAN I DO ABOUT MAKING MONEY.

SO I TRULY CARE ABOUT THIS TOWN.

SO NO, THE ANSWER IS I WOULD NOT TAKE A A BLACK MALE OR SLOPPY DEAL LIKE THAT.

IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS.

LIKE I SAID, I CAN SWITCH THIS TO ONE ACRE LOTS TOMORROW AND BE GOOD WITH IT AND AND BUILD 11 BEAUTIFUL ONE ACRE LOTS HOUSES ON IT AND CALL IT A DAY.

BUT THE WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM AND GO BACK TO THE YOU KNOW BACK THE THE NORTH SIDE OF 114 AGAIN I WAS HERE SO I KNOW ALL ABOUT IT.

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WE ALL KNEW THAT EVERYTHING FOREVER AND EVER.

MY MY GRANDPA HAD 50 ACRES, MY UNCLE HAD 18 ACRES.

WE WE UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING NORTH OF 114 WAS GOING TO BE.

BUT IT'S A THE THE THE WE'VE EVOLVED AS A CITY AND I WOULD SAY THERE'S TWO THINGS.

AGAIN, NOT THAT THIS IS NOT ME SAYING THIS, BUT WE HAVE PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT.

WE'RE TEN MINUTES FROM THE AIRPORT. I GOT OFF THE PLANE AND WAS AT HOME IN TEN MINUTES AFTER I GOT OFF THE AIRPLANE.

THAT'S PRETTY INSANE TO BE, WHAT IS IT, THE THIRD LARGEST INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT IN THE US.

WE HAVE TOWN SQUARE.

WE HAVE PROXIMITY TO DFW AND FORT WORTH, AND WE HAVE A WONDERFUL SCHOOL SYSTEM.

TODAY THERE'S A DIFFERENT COUNCIL, THERE'S A DIFFERENT MENTALITY.

AND I THINK THAT THE SOME OF THAT MENTALITY MIGHT HAVE CHANGED AND THOUGHT PROCESS.

THE RUBBER STAMP ONE ONE ACRE LOTS IN THE NORTH OF 114 IS PROBABLY NOT AS NORMALIZED AS WHAT IT WAS TEN, 15 YEARS AGO.

SO SOME OF THESE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE PIPE, REGARDLESS OF IT'S NORTH OR SOUTH, IS IS BECAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENT MENTALITY AND DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESS.

RIGHT OR WRONG, THIS IS WHAT IT IS.

SO THEREFORE, YES, I AGREE.

HALF ACRE LOTS, THEY'RE HERE.

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY. IT WAS ASKED TO BE DONE THIS WAY.

IF THEY NEVER HAVE ASKED, IF THEY DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, YOU WOULD BE SEEING A ONE ACRE DEAL.

LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THE FINISH OUTS ON THOSE WOULD BE.

SO AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT'S WHERE WE'VE COME HERE TODAY TO SHOW YOU GUYS.

I GOT ONE QUESTION, ONE STATEMENT.

I'LL BE DONE. SO THE STATEMENT IS, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THERE IS A DIFFERENT MENTALITY.

YES, SIR. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT SIT BACK THERE AT THE MEETINGS, THEY'RE DEVELOPERS.

OKAY. SO YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S A DIFFERENT MENTALITY THERE TO DEVELOP.

WE'RE RESIDENTS AND WE RESIDE HERE.

MY MY QUESTION MY FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU IS YOU MENTIONED LUXURY HOMES.

YOU KNOW, THAT TERM CAN BE THROWN AROUND LOOSELY.

WHAT IS THE ESTIMATED ASKING PRICE FOR THESE HOMES? I YOU KNOW, I HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ONE ACRE HOMES, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DEMAND FOR FOR THE 4,000,001 ACRE HOMES THAT ARE OUT HERE BECAUSE THE YOU KNOW, THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT COMES WITH AN ACRE, ETCETERA.

WHAT IS THE PRICE RANGE THAT YOU EXPECT TO GET FOR THESE 11 HOMES? WE'LL START AT 14 HOMES.

$2.5 MILLION IS WHAT THEY'LL START AT.

OKAY. AND I WOULD SUSPECT THEY'LL BE BETWEEN TWO AND A HALF AND $3.5 MILLION.

AND I DID NOT SAY THAT.

I MEAN, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH DEMAND.

THERE'S TONS OF DEMAND.

WE KNOW THAT IT'S SOUTHLAKE IS THE DEMAND IS THERE.

AND WE JUST OPENED ONE UP ON BURNEY THAT SOLD OUT IN TWO MONTHS AND THERE WERE ACRE TO TWO ACRE LOTS.

SO THE MAN'S THERE.

ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THIS IS A MORE AFFORDABLE PRICE POINT AND YOU CAN'T WE CAN'T.

IF THERE WAS A 30 TO 35 YEAR OLD FAMILY THAT THAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND WANTED TO HAVE KIDS.

IF THERE'S A BIG GAP BETWEEN TWO AND A HALF AND FOUR.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO INVITE DAVID ALEXANDER.

HEY, THANKS. DAVID ALEXANDER, 904 QUAIL CREEK COURT.

DO YOU OWN THE PROPERTY YET? HAVE YOU PURCHASED IT? SO THE NORMAL.

THE NORMAL? NO, I DO NOT HAVE NOT HAVE NOT CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY.

OUR PROPERTY IS CONTINGENT OF ZONING AND THAT'S HOW THEY NORMALLY THAT'S HOW WE NORMALLY DO IT ON ON DEVELOPMENTS UNDER CONTRACT.

IT'S UNDER CONTRACT BUT NOT IT'S WE CLOSED AFTER ZONING APPROVAL.

RIGHT. AND SO DO YOU HAVE A DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS YOUR ONE ACRE PLAN THAT YOU COULD SHOW US? PROBABLY NOT WITH US.

WE DID NOT BRING IT.

OKAY. WE HAVE IT.

SO IF Y'ALL I MEAN, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO REACH OUT, IT'S HERE.

AND CORRIDORS RECORDED, TOO.

SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT, IT'S ON THE CORRIDOR.

YEAH. SO THOSE WOULD BE FULL ONE ACRE LOTS THEN ALL EMPTYING OUT INTO.

THREE OF THEM WILL COME OFF BOB JONES AND THE REST WILL BE OFF WHITE CHAPEL.

GOT IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

NEXT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE DIANE GIBBONS.

PROBABLY SAID THAT WRONG. WHAT WAS THE LAST NAME? I'M SORRY. GIBBONS.

THANK YOU. GIBBONS. GIBBONS. THANK YOU.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, AND THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR SHOWING UP FROM THE AREA.

MY HUSBAND AND I, WE LEFT TEXAS TO THE AIR FORCE ACADEMY AND SERVED IN THE AIR FORCE FOR.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. OKAY.

THANK YOU. FOR AROUND 20 YEARS IN TEN DIFFERENT HOMES.

WE MOVED BACK HERE TWO YEARS AGO IN WHAT WE THOUGHT IS OUR FOREVER HOME.

WE LIVE JUST ADJACENT TO THAT PROPERTY.

OKAY. AND SO I WANT TO SAY WE SUPPORT THE TWO FIVE ACRE LOTS AS IS.

WE SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT ON THAT.

WE FULLY SUPPORT ONE ACRE LOTS IN LINE WITH THE SF1A SINGLE FAMILY, ONE ACRE LOT FOR THE WHOLE NORTH SECTOR.

WE SUPPORT THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, SOUTHLAKE 2035 VISION, WHICH IS FROM 2018, NOT 10-15 YEARS AGO.

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SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

AND I GUESS I HAD THREE QUESTIONS.

ONE OF THE 18 LOT DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT IS THE SETBACK TO THE STREET? IS IT A 20 FOOT SETBACK? IS IT TEN? IS IT 30? FROM THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, FROM THE STREET TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

LOOSE MEASUREMENTS, ROUGH ORDER, MAGNITUDE ON.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE REAR SETBACK THAT WOULD BE ON WHITECHAPEL.

ANY NUMBERS THAT MIGHT BE RELEVANT TO.

OH, OKAY. OKAY. YEAH.

FOR 40FT WOULD BE THE SETBACK FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.

ON TO WHITECHAPEL.

AND 35FT IN THE FRONT ALONG THE ROAD.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

ARE YOU HANDING OUT ANYTHING TODAY OF THIS PLAN OR THE ONE ACRE PLAN, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO HAND OUT, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU OUR CONTACT INFORMATION AND SEND YOU ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. TRAVIS. YES, MA'AM? IS THERE A TIME DIFFERENCE IN DURATION FROM THE 11 HOUSE PLAN AND THE 18? I'M ASKING BECAUSE OUR DAUGHTER RIDES ACROSS THE STREET FROM US IN THE HORSE FARM, WHICH THE NORTH SECTOR IS KNOWN FOR WITH SOUTHLAKE EQUESTRIAN HERE AND THE CONSTRUCTION.

I'M CONCERNED FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE FOR HER RIDING MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK THERE.

SO THE BEST CASE SCENARIO ON THIS ONE, IF EVERYBODY LOVED IT AND EVERYBODY WAS CHEERING ME ON RIGHT NOW, THIS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO ON THIS ONE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH P AND Z, AND THEN WE GO THROUGH TWO COUNCILS.

AND THEN ONCE THEY APPROVE THAT, THEN WE'D HAVE ABOUT THREE MONTHS OF ENGINEERING, WHICH THAT'S KIND OF GOING THROUGH A PERMIT PROCESS.

AND THEN FROM THAT THEN WE CAN START MOVING DIRT.

SO THAT WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY BEST CASE SCENARIO PROBABLY BE APRIL, MAY, IF THIS, THIS GOT APPROVED, IF THE ONE ACRE LOT GOT APPROVED, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A FEW MONTHS SHORTER THAN THAT BECAUSE UTILITY WISE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THE STREETS.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THE BASIC UTILITY WORK.

EVERYTHING'S ALREADY RAN ON WHITECHAPEL AND BOB JONES, SO WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO CONNECT ON THAT STANDPOINT SO IT'D BE MUCH QUICKER.

OKAY. THANK YOU AND APOLOGIZE FOR MY CASUALNESS COMING FROM THE HORSE FARM.

AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS, IS IT DIFFICULT TO CONDUCT A TRAFFIC STUDY WHEN WHITECHAPEL IS CLOSED? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

NO, IT'S NOT DIFFICULT.

OBVIOUSLY, THEY HAVE THEY HAVE PEAK MOMENTS.

WE JUST DID ONE ANOTHER ONE RECENTLY.

SO, NO, IT'S NOT. THEY HAVE ALL THEIR INFORMATION AND WE ACTUALLY USE THE SAME ENGINEER THAT THE CITY USES BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE STUDIES ALL AROUND TOWN.

AND SOUTHLAKE IS DEDICATED TO MAKE TRAFFIC BETTER AS BEST THEY CAN.

SO WE WE WILL BE USING THOSE PEOPLE WHEN WE GET THE INFORMATION.

BUT NO, IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATTER THAT THE STREET IS CUT DOWN FOR APPARENTLY TWO, TWO YEARS OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

SO, YEAH, BUT YES, WE ARE DOING IT, SO WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN IT GETS DONE.

THANK YOU, TRAVIS. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. AGAIN, IT'S GREAT TO BE A PART OF A COMMUNITY AFTER MOVING SO MANY TIMES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE JULIE LANDSBERG.

GOOD EVENING. JULIE LANDSBERG, 305 EAST, BOB JONES ROAD.

AND, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AROUND AND WE HAVE NEIGHBORS HERE THAT HAVE LIVED OVER 30 YEARS AND NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE PROBABLY BEEN HERE A YEAR OR 2 OR 3.

BUT MANY OF US HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD TO TRY TO MAINTAIN A LOW DENSITY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER WE ARE ON ACREAGE OR WE'RE ON ONE ACRES.

IT'S BEEN VERY IMPORTANT TO US, AND I THINK IT'S WHAT MAKES IT APPEALING TO YOU AS A DEVELOPER.

AND BY DIVVYING UP THIS AREA INTO ONE HALF ACRE LOTS, TOTALLY CHANGES THE FOOTPRINT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT'S OUR MAIN CONCERN.

OKAY. WE LOVE THE FACT THAT WE'RE.

NEAR CORE PROPERTY.

WE HAVE WILDLIFE ALL AROUND US.

THERE'S AN OPENNESS, THERE'S HORSES, THERE'S LIVESTOCK, THERE'S JUST THIS NICE RURAL FEEL TO AN ENVIRONMENT IN SOUTHLAKE THAT WE'RE LOSING QUICKLY.

SO I'M JUST OUT HERE TO SAY WE REALLY WOULD PREFER THIS TO STAY LOW DENSITY.

YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

NEXT. I'D LIKE TO INVITE TOM.

I THINK THE LAST NAME I CAN'T QUITE READ.

TOM LACHOWICZ.

YES. SORRY. HEY, TOM.

HI THERE. YES, MY NAME IS TOM LAHODA.

I'M ACTUALLY THE DEVELOPER OF SADDLEBACK RIDGE ESTATES.

AND I PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY IN 2006.

IT WAS A LABOR OF LOVE.

I'VE BEEN RIGHT WHERE YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT NOW.

I HAD A SPIN MEETING JUST LIKE THIS, AND.

IT WAS A LONG TIME TO BRING IT TO FRUITION.

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THEN I'LL MAKE SOME COMMENTS AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW, IF I COULD, PLEASE.

OKAY. SO THE THE VALUATION OF YOUR LOTS IS GOING TO BE WHAT, ROUGHLY THE RANGE PERFORMANCE, PROBABLY SITTING BETWEEN 725 TO PROBABLY 800 TO START ON A HALF ACRE FOR A HALF ACRE.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

OKAY. AND THE THE REAR SETBACK I THINK WE SAID WAS 40 AND THE FRONT SETBACK WAS 35.

YES, SIR. 35 IS A LITTLE CLOSE.

SO WE'LL JUST JUST TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

I MEAN, THE ONES IN SADDLEBACK, ALL THOSE FRONT LOTS THAT YOU SEE, THEY'RE ALL AT 100FT OR ROUGHLY 95.

SO IT'S REALLY THERE'S A DISPARITY.

THERE WAS THE SETBACKS WHEN THE APPROVAL ON ONE ACRE 40, IT'S 40FT.

NO, NO. AS A DEVELOPER.

OH, YOU ALL PUSHED IT. WE DID THAT AFTER TALKING TO THE PEOPLE HERE.

IT WAS, YOU KNOW.

OKAY. SO THAT WAS PART OF THAT.

GIVE ME A LITTLE COLOR, IF YOU WILL, TO THE TYPE OF BUILDERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

AND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS THAT THE HALF ACRE LOTS, YOU KNOW, IN A DOWN MARKET WILL ATTRACT QUASI CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS.

SO IS THERE ANY REASSURANCE YOU CAN SAY THAT THAT THAT IT WOULD NOT GO TO A A I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANY NAMES, BUT A A QUASI PRODUCTION BUILDER AS OPPOSED TO A CUSTOM BUILDER LIKE YOURSELF? NEVER.

IN FACT, CONVERSATION, AS WE ALL KNOW IN YOUR SUBDIVISION, THAT THERE'LL BE A FEW OF THOSE GUYS THAT WERE ALREADY HAS ALREADY APPROACHED US.

THEY NEED LAND, THEY NEED LOTS.

THERE WOULD BE NEVER A PRODUCTION SELL OFF BECAUSE I DO ALL OF IF I HAD TO.

SO ABSOLUTELY NOT.

IT WOULD BE TOP QUALITY BUILDERS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TOWN ALREADY THAT EVERYBODY IS PROBABLY RECOGNIZED.

THAT'S THAT I'VE ALREADY WORKED WITH BECAUSE THAT WOULD DESTROY THE MODEL OF YOUR VALUATION.

YEAH. WOULD COMPLETELY DESTROY THE VALUATION MODEL IF YOU DID THAT.

CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO YOUR I GUESS IT'S VERY PRELIMINARY, BUT TO YOUR DESIGN GUIDANCE, YOUR DESIGN PLANS, IF YOU WILL, THEY WOULD PROBABLY EQUAL EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY AN 80% MASONRY REQUIREMENT.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE A HARD SURFACE ROOF REQUIREMENT.

IT WOULD HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TREE REQUIREMENTS FOR LANDSCAPING.

SO WE WOULD REALLY BASICALLY EMULATE AND FOLLOW WHAT WE'VE DONE.

AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH OXFORD PLACE AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN YOUR COMMUNITY NEXT DOOR, GOOD.

GOOD. WOULD IT HAVE A HARD ROOF? YES. YES, SIR. HARD WORK, HARD ROOF SURFACES.

OKAY, SO NO, NO, NO SHINGLE PROPOSED.

NO SHINGLE. NO.

YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YEAR IT IS OR YOU KNOW, HOW STRONG IT IS, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME FORM OF SLATE METAL OR TILE.

OKAY. AND A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SEE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOT THAT FAR.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS STILL PRELIMINARY.

I WOULD IF I WAS A GUESS, WE'D PROBABLY BE SITTING AT 4000FT².

OKAY. 3500 TO 4000FT² MINIMUM.

OKAY. 3500 IS A LITTLE TIGHT, BUT IT IS TIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD PROBABLY SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO PAY SEVEN, $800,000 FOR A HALF ACRE LOT, THAT'S PROBABLY STARTING A 4000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE ARE UP.

RIGHT. OKAY. SO ON YOUR DETENTION POND, ARE YOU GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR POND, NOT THE SADDLEBACK RIDGE ESTATES POND, IF YOU WILL, AND FEED IT THROUGH THAT POND THERE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

WHAT ABOUT THE THE.

BECAUSE IT'S HALF ACRE.

AND WE KNOW DRAINAGE IS AN ISSUE, CERTAINLY, AND WE'VE GOT TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

YOU'RE TAKING YOU'RE ADDING ALL THESE ROOFTOPS.

WHAT ABOUT THE VELOCITY OF THE DRAINAGE THAT'S GOING TO COME IN NOW? BECAUSE THERE'S LESS THE OVERLAND FLOW IS GOING TO BE AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE.

WHAT WHAT'S THE THOUGHTS ON THAT, IF ANY, AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT HE CAN SPEAK TO.

WELL, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER ISN'T HERE AND HE'S HE'S LOOKED AT IT.

HE HASN'T DONE A COMPLETE STUDY.

FAIR ENOUGH. BUT, OF COURSE, WE WOULD DRAIN ULTIMATELY TO THAT POND ACROSS THE STREET.

OKAY. AND IT WOULD STAY THERE FOR SOME TIME AND THEN GO ON FROM THERE DOWN INTO LAKE GRAPEVINE.

OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE OF STUDY, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THAT POND THERE IS YOU I'VE SEEN IT IN THE WORST OF TIMES.

I ACTUALLY BEFORE I STARTED DEVELOPMENT, I THINK I OWNED THE PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW, 12, 15 YEARS OR 12 YEARS, I'LL SAY.

AND I REALLY WATCHED THE WATER AND WHAT IT WHAT IT WAS DOING TO THAT POND.

AND JUST THE VELOCITY WOULD BE A CONCERN GOING, GOING DOWNSTREAM, I THINK.

BUT YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW THAT PRELIMINARY THAT PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING OBVIOUSLY AT PNC.

WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THAT READY BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT STEP.

SO THE NEXT STEP WILL ACTUALLY HAVE VERY DETAILED INFORMATION WITH THE CIVIL HERE TO TO SPEAK TO IT.

THIS IS, AGAIN, A PRELIMINARY QUESTION.

SO I KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS ARE ON THIS.

BUT YOU SAID A POSSIBLE GATE.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THE STACKING WITH WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING? GREAT QUESTION. SO WE OBVIOUSLY THE GATE, WE FEEL LIKE SUPPORTS JUST LIKE WHAT YOU DID A HIGH END COMMUNITY AND BEING THAT IT'S IF WE WERE GOING TO DO A HIGHER DENSITY THAT MAYBE WOULD HELP KIND OF KEEP IT PROTECTED FROM EVALUATION AND JUST LOTS OF THINGS TO KIND OF HELP SUPPORT THE OFFSET OF THE ONE ACRE.

WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO WORK ON THE OFFSET OF THE STACKABLE CODE THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO REQUIRE.

SO AGAIN, SO PRELIMINARY THE GATE CAN AND CANNOT GO OR CAN GO IF IT NEEDS TO.

IT'S NOT DEFINITELY A REQUIREMENT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PASS THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION.

OKAY. OKAY.

THE STREET WIDTH. 50.

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NORMAL. 30 FOOT STREET.

OKAY. OKAY.

HOW ABOUT SEWER LIFT STATIONS? BECAUSE WHEN WE DID THAT, WE DID NOT OVERSIZE IT FOR THIS.

AND YOUR ENGINEER WILL DETERMINE THAT.

SO WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT FOR A LIFT STATION OR A SEWER OR HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE THAT WITH THIS TYPE OF DENSITY? HE HE'S LOOKED AT IT.

HE'S TALKED ABOUT IT.

BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

BUT HE HE SAID IT'S EMINENTLY DOABLE.

WHATEVER THE ANSWER IS. THE THE ANSWER IS THAT THESE THESE COMMUNITIES, REGARDLESS OF THE ONE ACRE OR 18, 11 OR 18, THAT THEY WILL BE FULLY, FULLY SUPPORTED OF CITY SEWER, GAS AND WATER AND AND NOT SEPTIC, I GUESS.

AND IT MAY REQUIRE THAT YOU DO A SEPARATE LIFT STATION.

WE DID OVERSIZE IT FOR SADDLEBACK.

WE OVERSIZE IT WITH THIS IN MIND.

BUT FOR ONE ACRE LOTS THAT WOULD TAKE THAT.

AND IT WAS I'LL JUST SAY FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, OUR GIFT TO THE CITY, IF YOU WILL, TO PAY FOR THAT COST.

BUT NOT CERTAINLY NOT THIS MANY LOTS.

YES, SIR. UNDERSTOOD.

OKAY. AND I'M GETTING READY TO CLOSE, SO I'M SORRY.

I'M I'M GOING ON HERE.

WHEN I DID THIS, THE SPIN MEETING, JUST A LITTLE HISTORY.

THE ENVIRONMENT, THE NATURE, THE ANIMALS, THE TREES, THE TOPOGRAPHY.

AND I CAME IN HERE JUST LIKE THIS, AND, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT WAS DRIVING ME AS A DEVELOPER WAS OPTIMIZATION OF PROFIT.

I'LL JUST JUST JUST PUT IT OUT THERE.

SURE. SO SO WE LOOKED AT THAT AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD AN AUDIENCE JUST LIKE THIS AND WE GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS BACK.

AND I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF AFTER THE MEETING BECAUSE THERE WAS PUSHBACK JUST LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THAT'S FINE FOR YOU.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE LIVE HERE, THE ANIMALS, THE BIRDS THERE, I MEAN, THE TREES.

I MEAN, IT'S I MEAN, BELIEVE ME, IT'S AND IT'S VERY, VERY SENSITIVE.

WE MADE THE DECISION AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY STANDING HERE, I WENT TO EVERY HOUSE ON THE NORTH SIDE, NOT CLARIDEN RANCH, BUT ON THE NORTH SIDE, THE OLDER HOMES, IF YOU WILL, AND KNOCKED ON EVERY DOOR. I WANTED TO KNOW.

I WANTED FEEDBACK.

AND THERE'S MANY OF YOU WHO ARE SITTING HERE TONIGHT.

AND WE HAD SPOKEN.

THERE WAS THERE WAS THERE WAS CERTAINLY PUSHBACK.

AND I TOOK THAT AND I FILED IT AND I SAID, OKAY, WELL, WHAT CAN WE DO? HOW CAN WE MANAGE THIS? TOOK IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL BEFORE THE MET WITH EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, ONE ON ONE, MET WITH EVERY PNC MEMBER, ONE ON ONE, RIGHT.

AND THE TAKEAWAY WAS.

AND PARDON THE FRENCH GUYS.

THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL YOU'RE GOING TO GET HALF ACRES UP THERE, TOM.

SURE. THERE'S NO WAY FOR ALL THESE REASONS.

SO I CERTAINLY TOOK THAT BACK.

CURTIS, WE WORKED WITH YOU ACTUALLY ON IT.

YOU DID A GREAT JOB.

AND YOU KNOW THE ONE ACRES.

YES. YOU KNOW, WE WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T OPTIMIZE PROFIT.

BUT IT'S A COMMUNITY LABOR OF LOVE THAT TOOK A LONG TIME TO BUILD THAT I AM PROUD OF.

NOW WE'VE MADE MISTAKES ALONG THE WAY.

IT'S NOT PERFECT, I GET THAT.

BUT I'VE REALLY TRIED TO BE PLUGGED THAT IN TO THE NORTH SIDE TO THE BEST WE COULD.

YEAH. AND I'LL JUST I JUST DON'T THINK PERSONALLY THAT YOU CAN DO THAT WITH THE HALF ACRE.

OKAY. AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AGAIN, RESPECTFULLY, BOTH OF YOU GUYS, I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE WELL THOUGHT OF IN THE INDUSTRY, IN THE LOCAL INDUSTRY HERE.

BUT I WOULD SAY IF THIS GOES FORWARD IN THIS PATH, I WILL PROBABLY BE VERY VOCAL ON, ON, ON, ON TRYING TO GET YOU GUYS TO PERSUADE YOU GUYS TO DO ONE ACRE.

YEAH. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

THIS IS WHY. THANK YOU FOR. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE I READ THE COMMENTS THAT WISH TO BE READ INTO THE REPORT? ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST COMMENT THAT WE HAVE IS FROM DANA DABBS.

THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED ON NORTH WHITECHAPEL HAS ALREADY EXCEEDED THE REQUIRED INFRASTRUCTURE, COUPLED WITH POOR PLANNING OF MULTIPLE ROAD CLOSURES IN THE AREA, HAS CAUSED HUGE TRAFFIC ISSUES WITH CHANGE, ZONING FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT.

NEXT, WE HAVE ANITA STATON OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENTS WITH HOMES ON LESS THAN ONE ACRE.

WE HAVE TOM COLTER.

LOTS AT HALF ACRE ARE WAY TOO SMALL.

YOU BACK UP TO ONE ACRE LOTS AND.

THERE IS NO HOUSE WITHIN AT LEAST A MILE THAT HAS LESS THAN ONE ACRE.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A FEW COMMENTS THAT CAME IN VIA EMAIL THAT I WILL GO AHEAD AND READ.

THE FIRST IS FROM JOHN BURKHART.

THE CITY HAS WORKED TO CREATE A GENERAL PLAN WITH CERTAIN DENSITY REQUIREMENTS FOR VARIOUS AREAS.

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INCREASING DENSITY ON THIS LOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

NEXT WE HAVE JULIE FISHER.

A LOT OF PLANNING WORK WAS DONE TO IDENTIFY THE LIMITS OF THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THE NORTH SECTOR PER THE LAND USE SECTORS PLAN 2035.

CURRENT DEVELOPMENT LIMITS OF ONE ACRE NEED TO BE MAINTAINED UNTIL FURTHER EVALUATION AND IMPACT ASSESSMENT ARE NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND THE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS TO SUPPORT HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.

NEIGHBORHOODS. OUR PROPERTY IS ON A SEPTIC AND AT THE END OF THE LINE FOR WATER AND POWER.

IS THERE SEWER AND WATER CAPACITY AVAILABLE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT? SMALLER THAN ONE ACRE.

ACRE LOTS DEFINITELY CANNOT SUPPORT THEIR OWN SEPTIC FIELDS.

EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA NEED MORE TIME TO EVALUATE ANY WORK DONE BY THE CITY TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL OR HIRE THE EXPERTISE TO COMPLETE A MORE IN DEPTH STUDY.

THANK YOU. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT REGARDING THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SEPTIC ISSUES. YEAH, WE MENTIONED THERE IS SEWER AND WATER AVAILABLE SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE SEPTIC.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT.

THE COMMENT IS FROM DAVID THOMAS ADDING HIGHER DENSITY AT A TIME WHEN OUR NORTH WHITECHAPEL NEIGHBORHOOD IS SEVERELY CONSTRAINED DUE TO A POORLY PLANNED BRIDGE.

REBUILD AND CONCURRENT KIRKWOOD 114 EXIT ENABLED IS CONCERNING.

OUR PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSE TIMES HAVE QUADRUPLED AT NO FAULT FROM OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AND PUTS US AT RISK IN CASE OF FIRE OR MEDICAL EMERGENCY.

ALL RIGHT, AND THE LAST COMMENT OF THE NIGHT IS FROM JEFFREY GIBBONS.

WE SUPPORT THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE SOUTHLAKE 2035 VISION AND EXPRESSED, QUOTE, CHARACTER OF THE NORTH SECTOR, KNOWN FOR LOW DENSITY HOMES, HORSE FARMS AND PRESERVED LAND.

WE SUPPORT MAINTAINING THE CURRENT ZONING FIVE ACRE LOTS.

WE ALSO SUPPORT CONSTRUCTION, BUILDING AND GROWTH OF SURROUNDING DESIGNATED LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN LINE WITH NEIGHBORING SF-1A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, ONE ACRE LOTS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THIS MATTER.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN SPIN.

OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO.

OBVIOUSLY THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT.

I MEAN, THIS IS AS IMPORTANT TO ME TO HEAR THIS FEEDBACK AS A NEIGHBOR, AS A AS A LOCAL CITIZEN WITH YOU GUYS.

SO WE DO APPRECIATE IT. I'M SO GLAD I'M NOT BUILDING A BRIDGE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE, APPARENTLY.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THIS DOES MEAN A LOT TO US.

WE WILL TAKE IT BACK, TOM, AND REEVALUATE AND LOOK AT KIND OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO.

YOU KNOW, THE LAND COSTS OF THE RAW LAND COSTS DOES AFFECT KIND OF WHAT THINGS HAPPEN AND HAVE TO HAPPEN.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST AS WHAT TOM HAD TO PROBABLY DO BACK IN, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, I THINK LAND WAS CHEAPER BACK IN 2006.

BUT BUT ANYWAYS, LONG STORY SHORT, THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE.

APPRECIATE IT. IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU GUYS NEED, OUR OFFICE IS ON 114.

AND CAROL, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, LOOK US UP, CALL US, EMAIL ME WHATEVER YOU GUYS NEED.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OFFLINE AS WELL AS FAR AS WHAT OUR PLANS ARE FOR THIS PROPERTY.

SO THANK YOU. JUST WANT TO SAY THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING.

SPIN REPRESENTS THE FIRST STEPS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AS SPEND MEETING REPORT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE.

WE WILL INCLUDE THE SUBMITTED SPIN QUESTIONS AND OR COMMENT FORMS IN THE MEETING REPORTS, AND THESE REPORTS ARE GENERALLY OBSERVATIONS OF THE FORM AND THEY ARE NOT VERBATIM. MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE APPROXIMATELY 24 HOURS AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE.

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.