Oct 05, 2023 Sign Board

PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AND GAVEL IN THE MOST EXCITING MEETING HERE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

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WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON OUR.

WELL, TWO ITEMS TO HERE ON OUR AGENDA.

[5. Consider: Approving the minutes from the September 21, 2023, Sign Board Meeting.]

CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2023 SIGN BOARD MEETING.

ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS ON THOSE BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA.

HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, PLEASE.

AND PASSES 7 TO 0.

[6. Consider: SV23-0016, Sign Variances for Valora Medical Group located at 1050 E. S. H. 114, Suite 100, Southlake, Texas.]

WE HEARD THIS ITEM IN OUR WORK SESSION AS WELL.

SO I THINK WE WILL GO AHEAD AND IF STAFF WOULD MIND JUST KIND OF HITTING THE QUICK HIGHLIGHTS AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DELIBERATE.

YEAH. SMITH ELECTRIC AND SIGNS IS REQUESTING A SIGN VARIANCE ON BEHALF OF VELORA MEDICAL GROUP AT 1050 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114, SUITE 100 AERIAL VIEW STREET SETBACK.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SIGN.

THESE ARE THE VARIANCE REQUESTED.

THERE ARE VARIANCES FOR THE UPPER STORY SIGN LETTER, HEIGHT, LOGO, HEIGHT, SIGN AREA, LOGO AREA COLOR AND THE SIGN BEING LOCATED ON ANOTHER. ON A DIFFERENT LEASE TENANT SPACE BECAUSE IT'S A SECOND STORY SIGN AND THE TENANT IS A FIRST STORY TENANT.

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. IT'S AN OUTSTANDINGLY SHORT AND BRIEF TO THE POINT STAFF PRESENTATION.

APPRECIATE IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO ON THE TWO SIGNS TONIGHT IS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DELIBERATE AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL UP THE APPLICANT AFTER THAT AND JUST LET THEM KIND OF TALK THROUGH THE FEEDBACK.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK STAFF DID A GOOD JOB OF OUTLINING THE VARIANCES HERE.

I GUESS, WOULD ANYONE WANT TO LEAD OFF THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS? I THOUGHT SOMEONE MIGHT JUMP IN.

WELL, I THINK SINCE IT'S AN EXISTING SIGN, IT'S BASICALLY OCCUPYING THE SAME SPACE.

AGAIN, IT'S NOT EXTREMELY LARGER.

BUT THE ONE THING THAT JUST I DON'T GET IS THE COLOR THAT YOU'RE USING.

THE SIGN IS INVISIBLE.

AND IT'S JUST IF THE GRAPHIC DEPICTION OF IT IS GOING TO BE THE WAY IT IS IN REAL LIFE, I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT JUST DISAPPEARS INTO THE BUILDING FOR SOME REASON. I DON'T KNOW.

THE COLORS JUST DON'T LOOK RIGHT TO ME.

BUT THERE AGAIN, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN QUESTION HERE.

OKAY. SO OKAY WITH SOME OF THE OTHER VARIANCES HERE.

BUT THE COLOR ONE IS THE ONE THAT WELL, I JUST DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE IN IT.

YOU CAN'T, IT'S NOT, IT JUST BLENDS RIGHT IN WITH THE BUILDING.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER? FEEDBACK ON THIS SIGN.

I HAVE THE SAME OPINION IN TERMS OF THE COLOR.

I THINK IT'S A LITTLE LARGE IN IN HEIGHT.

MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER AND NOT THE COLOR.

I THINK THAT WOULD GO ALONG WELL WITH THE EXISTING SIGNS ON THE BUILDING TO.

ANY OTHER I MEAN; I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS THE PRIVILEGE OF DRIVING PAST THIS BUILDING EVERY DAY FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS.

WELL, I GUESS IT HASN'T BEEN THERE THAT LONG, BUT I HAVE IT LOOKS LIKE A GIANT BILLBOARD RETAIL CENTER THAT THAT THAT LOOKS UGLY.

AND LIKE LEASING BROKERS HAVE SLAPPED ALL KINDS OF SIGNS ON IT.

AND IT LOOKS TERRIBLE, IN MY OPINION.

AND IT'S A SIGN ORDINANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I'M FINE PERSONALLY WITH THE FACT THE SIGN IS NOT LOCATED ON THE TENANT SPACE LOGISTICALLY, THAT THAT SOMETIMES DOESN'T WORK OUT AND THE UPPER STORY SIGN THINGS FINE TO ME BUT I'M NOT FINE WITH ANY OF THE HEIGHT AND LOGO AND SIZE VARIANCES AND I'M NOT FINE WITH THE COLOR.

BUT THAT'S, AGAIN, JUST ME.

WE CAN JUST SEE WHAT WE WANT TO CRAFT AND GO FORWARD.

I MEAN, TO ME, PUT THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE.

WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN UP BUILDINGS HERE IN TOWN.

I THINK THEY'LL BE FINE WITH WHAT WAS WITH THE ORDINANCE, BUT THAT'S MY HUMBLE OPINION.

I AGREE. I THINK WE'RE SEEING THE SAME THING.

OKAY. I AGREE WITH YOU AS WELL.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF MOTION PEOPLE WANT TO PUT FORWARD HERE, BUT.

WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT A MOTION FORWARD YET.

WE'LL TALK TO THE APPLICANT.

BUT ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE INVITE THE APPLICANT UP? I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING THAT THAT NIGHT VIEW AGAIN BECAUSE THAT LOOKED SORT OF.

I DON'T KNOW. IT JUST DIDN'T LOOK DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT EITHER.

SO THANKS.

OKAY, WHY DON'T WE INVITE THE APPLICANT UP, IF YOU DON'T MIND? COMING UP ON THIS ONE, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND I THINK. YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE CAN THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS WE CAN DO HERE.

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WE CAN TRY TO CRAFT A MOTION WITH SOMETHING THAT DOES AWAY WITH THE COLOR VARIANCE AND MAYBE IS A SMALLER SIGN OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WILLING TO BRING FORWARD A SMALLER SIGN TO COUNCIL.

SO, I GUESS MAYBE I'LL LET YOU KIND OF KICK IT OFF AND MAYBE WE CAN KIND OF BRAINSTORM THE BEST WAY FORWARD.

YEAH. MY NAME IS RICKY GUZMAN, 911 TAMPAS LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

AND THE COLORS THAT I'M USING, IT'S A CORPORATE COLOR THAT I'M GOING WITH.

THEY WANT TO KEEP EVERYTHING THE SAME.

AND THE SIZE, I THINK, IS THE SIZE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT BUILDING.

IT'S GOING TO IT'S REALLY HIGH UP THERE.

I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO SEE IF WE MAKE IT ANY SMALLER.

OKAY. I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT APPLICANTS CAN DO TO HELP WITH THAT IS IF WE GO BACK MAYBE TO THE AND STAFF CAN HELP WITH THIS, GO BACK TO THE ONE THAT SHOWS IT ON THE BILL. THERE YOU GO. WHEN WE SEE THESE RENDERINGS, IF YOU CAN SHOW ONE WITH YOUR PROPOSED WHICH YOU HAVE HERE AND MAYBE ONE THAT IS AT ORDNANCE, WHICH IS YOU'RE SAYING IS TOO SMALL, BUT YOU CAN SHOW THAT SO PEOPLE CAN VISUALIZE IT AND THEN MAYBE SHOW ONE IN THE MIDDLE.

AND THAT'S WHERE TYPICALLY CITY COUNCIL WILL LOOK AT IT AND KIND OF MAKE THEIR JUDGMENT CALL AND WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO OR NOT.

OKAY. SO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE SIGN SMALLER? WELL, I THINK I THINK YOU COULD MAYBE BRING THE CITY COUNCIL SEVERAL DIFFERENT VERSIONS.

ONE THAT HONORS THE ORDINANCE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF IT LOOKS TOO SMALL, THEN COUNCIL WILL POTENTIALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE INCREASE THE SIZE OF IT, BUT MAYBE BRING THIS ONE IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN ONE THAT GOES TO ORDINANCE AND THEN THEY CAN KIND OF JUDGE ON THEIR OWN WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THEY MAY BE FINE WITH THIS ONE.

SO. BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.

OKAY. SO MAYBE WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF MOTION WE CAN CRAFT UP HERE, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'LL WANT TO TAKE OUT OF IT IS BRING SOME ALTERNATIVES THAT SHOW IT AT DIFFERENT SIZES, LIKE THREE DIFFERENT SIZES, MAYBE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND SOMETHING IN BETWEEN, AND THEN MAYBE BRING ONE THAT SHOWS IT IN A NEUTRAL COLOR, SINCE THAT SEEMS TO BE SOME OF THE ANXIETY AS WELL.

AND THEN THEY CAN LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE A DECISION AND GET IT TO YOU.

OKAY? SURE. OKAY.

WHAT KIND OF MOTION DO WE WANT TO TRY HERE? DO WE WANT TO TRY ONE? JUST DO WE WANT TO? WELL, WE COULD DO THAT. OR WE COULD DO ONE.

APPROVING ONLY THE UPPER STORY AND NOT LOCATED ON THE LEASE TENANT SPACE AND DENYING ALL THE OTHER VARIANCES WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.

BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID THAT HE NEEDS TO HAVE TWO OTHER OPTIONS.

OR WE COULD DO THE FLIP AND DO DENIAL.

NO, NO, I THINK I THINK FOR CITY PROCESS WISE, I THINK IT'S, I THINK THE BETTER WAY TO GO IS TO APPROVE IT, APPROVE IT, BUT ONLY GRANTING THOSE TWO VARIANCES AND THEN ASKING THE APPLICANT AND THIS IS ALL BEING RECORDED, JUST SO YOU KNOW, MEETING ONLINE SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK LATER AS WELL.

STAFF CAN HELP, BUT BRINGING MAYBE TWO OTHER DIFFERENT SIZE PROPOSALS FORWARD AND ONE THAT SHOWS IT IN NEUTRAL COLOR SINCE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE OTHER ANXIETY.

AND WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN TAKE THIS BUILDING OVER TIME TO THE NEXT LEVEL IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS TODAY AND WHERE IT CAN GO.

OKAY, GOOD. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA.

SB 23-0016, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2023, AND NOTING APPROVAL ONLY OF THE UPPER STORY SIGN VARIANCE REQUEST AND ALSO NOTING APPROVAL ONLY OF THE BUILDING SIGN BEING LOCATED ON A NEIGHBORING UPPER STORY LEASE TENANT SPACE, BUT DENYING ALL OTHER VARIANCES REQUESTED WITH RESPECT TO LETTER, HEIGHT, LOGO, HEIGHT, SIGN AREA AND COLORS, AND ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT BRING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.

TWO OTHER OPTIONS ONE WHICH IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE AND ONE WHICH HAS MORE NEUTRAL COLORS IN BETWEEN THE PROPOSED RENDERINGS AND THE ORDINANCE.

OKAY, WE'RE GETTING A HEAD NOD FROM STAFF, SO WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY, LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE.

OKAY. PASSES.

SEVEN ZERO. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S CLEAR.

YOU CAN KIND OF BRING THOSE OPTIONS IN.

CITY COUNCIL IS REALLY GOOD AT JUST FIGURING OUT WHAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH AND NOT.

BUT YOU'LL HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED IN ORDER TO GET A DECISION THAT NIGHT, OKAY? SURE. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

EXCUSE ME. ONE QUICK QUESTION.

WHEN, SAY NEUTRAL COLORS, YOU WANT TO WHITE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? WHATEVER HONORS THE ORDINANCE, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S NOT A VARIANCE TRIGGERED, I THINK IS AND STAFF CAN KIND OF DESCRIBE THAT IN TERMS OF KIND OF THE WHITE GRAY

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THAT WON'T VIOLATE THE SPIRIT OF THE ORDINANCE.

OKAY. SURE. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TONIGHT.

[7. Consider: SV23-0017, Sign Variances for Pizza Hut located at 100 W. Southlake Blvd., Suite 100, Southlake, Texas.]

I BELIEVE, AGAIN, WE HEARD THIS ONE IN OUR WORK SESSION AS WELL.

SO STAFF CAN JUST KIND OF HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS AND WE GO FROM THERE.

YEAH, THIS IS FOR PIZZA HUT AT 100 WEST.

SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD, SUITE 100.

IT'S AN AERIAL VIEW.

THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE STREETS SET BACK.

THIS IS THEIR EXISTING SIGN WAS APPROVED IN 2002.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SIGN.

WE HAVE A LARGE SIGN VIEW.

SOME NIGHT VIEW.

AND THEN THE VARIANCES REQUESTED ARE FOR SIGN AREA LOGO AREA.

THEY ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE LETTER HEIGHT, LOGO, HEIGHT AND SIGN WIDTH.

AND THEN THE OTHER VARIANCE IS FOR THIS RED FLUSH MOUNT ALUMINUM PANEL.

THE SIGNED ORDINANCE PROHIBITS ANY SIGN THAT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED BY THE ORDINANCE.

AND THEN OTHER THAN CONSIDERING THIS AS SIGNAGE, THIS COLOR WOULD BE PROHIBITED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

OKAY, I GOT ONE QUESTION.

SURE. JENNIFER, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE EXISTING AWNING THING? YEAH, THAT ONE. SO IF WE WERE TO DENY THE ALUMINUM PANEL, WHAT WOULD BE DONE WITH THAT BROWN PIECE OF THE BUILDING BEHIND THE AWNING THERE? OR WOULD WE HAVE TO SPECIFY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO REPAIR IT TO LOOK LIKE THE REST OF THE.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REPAIRED TO BE FLUSH, YOU KNOW, LIKE SO.

SO WOULD IT BE BRICK OR WOULD IT BE ABLE TO STAY, WHATEVER THAT IS NOW? IT WOULD STAY IT COULD STAY THIS BROWN OR TAN OR KHAKI OR WHATEVER.

THIS IS BACK HERE.

GOTCHA. OKAY. MIGHT JUST MAKE A CLARIFICATION FOR THE BOARD AND.

APP COME HERE TO.

THE SIGNAGE RELATED TO THAT AWNING COULD NOT BE.

REPLACED AS.

WE COULDN'T ISSUE A NEW PERMIT FOR THE SIGNAGE ON THAT AWNING.

BUT THE COLOR ORDINANCE, IF THEY HAVE A PREEXISTING-COLORED AWNING OR ELEMENT ON THE BUILDING, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO REPAIR THAT.

OKAY BY ORDINANCE.

COME, MEANING THAT THEY COULD REPAIR THIS AWNING AND LEAVE IT UP.

CORRECT. BUT WITH NO SIGNAGE.

WITH NO SIGNAGE.

CORRECT. OKAY. GOTCHA.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. WE NEED HELP.

WE'LL COME BACK UP. LET'S DELIBERATE REAL QUICK AND WE'LL CALL THE APPLICANT UP, I GUESS.

THOUGHTS ON THIS PROPOSAL.

COMMISSIONERS. WELL, I MEAN, IT'S BETTER THAN THE AWNING, I THINK.

I'M NOT SO THRILLED ABOUT THE UFO FLYING NEAR THE PIZZA HUT SIGN, BUT IT'S.

BUT I KNOW THAT'S THEIR LOGO, SO I'M ONLY BEING FACETIOUS HERE, BUT STILL, IT'S.

YEAH, I DON'T GET THE RED STUFF DOWN BELOW THE METAL.

I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO JUST FILL IN THAT SPOT WHERE IT'S PROBABLY SOME KIND OF STUCCO OR WHATEVER IT IS NOW.

BUT YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD LOOK.

SO, AS FAR AS IT GOES, I MEAN, EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE IN THE PIZZA HUT LOGO AND THE AND THE LETTERING SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT SIZE.

SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

SO ARE WE SAYING THAT IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE RED THING BELOW, THAT THEY CAN KEEP THE AWNING? OR ARE WE SAYING THAT IF WE APPROVE THE SIGN ABOVE THAT SAYS PIZZA HUT, THAT IT HAS TO GO? IT. REPEAT YOUR QUESTION AGAIN.

I KNOW I KIND OF I BUTCHERED THAT A LITTLE BIT.

LET'S SEE HOW TO PHRASE THIS.

IF WE APPROVE THIS NEW SIGN THAT'S ABOVE.

DOES THAT REQUIRE THEM TO TAKE AWAY THE AWNING? NOT IN AND OF ITSELF, BUT THEY ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPLY REASONABLE CONDITIONS SO WE CAN SAY WE APPROVE THE PIZZA HUT SIGN, BUT THE AWNING HAS TO COME DOWN EVEN IF WE DISAGREE WITH THE RED THING AS A CONDITION OF YOUR CONSIDERATION.

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I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD IS.

I'M NOT A FAN OF THE RED BELOW, WHATEVER MATERIAL.

I THINK IT'S STUCCO BEHIND IT.

IF YOU GOING TO THIS SLIDE.

RIGHT. RIGHT.

JUST SO WE CAN SEE THAT ON THE BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WITH THE REST OF THE CENTER AND WHAT HERE.

YEAH, KEEP GOING.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

JUST LIKE THAT. EUROPEAN.

I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE THIS ONE, BUT THAT'S THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT IS WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, WITH THE REST OF THE CENTER AND, YOU KNOW, FASTING IT FORWARD IN MY HEAD THAT WHEN DUNCAN'S CALL COMES IN HERE AND WANTS THEIR AWNING AND WHEN MARTIAL ARTS WANT THEIR AWNING. AND I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS THE PLACEMENT OF THE PIZZA HUT SIGN, SHOULD IT BE DOWN IN PLACE OF WHERE THE AWNING IS? BECAUSE THESE ARE LOWER.

IT IS. OH, YEAH? YEAH. THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK THROUGH AS WELL.

BUT I GUESS MY POINT IS I'M NOT A FAN OF THE RED METAL BELOW, WHETHER IT'S UP ABOVE LIKE THIS CIGAR CBD OR BELOW IN PLACE OF THE AWNING AND THEN NO AWNING.

SO AM I, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU RIGHT, LET ME KNOW IF I AM WHAT YOU'RE MAYBE SAYING IS THAT SOMETHING YOU MIGHT BE AGREEABLE TO IS APPROVING THE SIGN, INCLUDING THE VARIANCES ON SIGN AREA AND LOGO AREA, DENYING THE RED BANDING OR THE RED, WHAT WE CALL THIS AWNING OR ALUMINUM PANEL AND ASKING THAT THE CURRENT CANOPY THING BE TAKEN DOWN IN EXCHANGE FOR GRANTING THE SIGN AREA AND LOGO AREA VARIANCES.

THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S MY THOUGHT, TOO.

AND THEN JUST DISCUSSION FOR THIS GROUP.

DO WE CARE WHETHER IT STAYS UP HIGH LIKE THIS CIGAR AND VAPE, OR DO WE WANT IT DOWN LOWER LIKE SOME OF THESE OTHERS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT.

YEAH. STEPH, DO YOU MIND JUST SHOWING SOME OF THE OTHER STOREFRONTS IN THE CENTER? NO, THAT WAS IN THE.

I'D PROBABLY MOVE IT DOWN.

I COULD DO.

PERSONALLY, YEAH, I KIND OF LEAVE THE BRICK ACCENT ON ON.

CLUTTERED UP. I MEAN, AGAIN, PART OF THIS IS TRYING TO THINK BIG PICTURE FOR THE FUTURE.

HOW DO WE CLEAN UP SOME OF THESE LEGACY SHOPPING CENTERS AND BUILDINGS WE HAVE? AND MAKE THEM MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE SAID.

WE WANT OUR ORDINANCE TO REFLECT.

I THINK JUST THE SIGHT LINE WOULD BE BETTER, LOWER AND THEN.

YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK THE SIGN WILL LOOK BETTER AGAINST THE BEIGE RATHER THAN THE RED BRICK CLEANER.

YEAH, WELL, MAYBE LET'S ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULDN'T MIND COMING UP.

JUST STATING NAME ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND.

SOUNDS LIKE. I GUESS WE'LL LET YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD HERE IN A SECOND.

BUT. MIKE PREZIOSO 8017 SITKA STREET, FORT WORTH, TEXAS.

OKAY. LARRY MARSHALL 1300 SHADY OAKS SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

OKAY. I GUESS KIND OF HEARING IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THE VARIANCES COMMISSION'S OKAY WITH, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE NOT.

I GUESS CAN I KIND OF COMMENT ON THIS? YEAH, I THINK IT SHOULD. IT SHOULD.

WE'LL HAVE THE AUDIO VIDEO.

YEAH, PERFECT. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT UP THERE.

MAYBE FLIP IT AND SEE IS THERE A WAY TO LIKE ROTATE THE.

THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH. HERE WE GO.

HERE COMES THE BRAINS OF THE ORGANIZATION RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THIS IS GRAPEVINE'S PIZZA HUT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT SAME RED.

THERE YOU GO. SIDING.

AND THAT'S THEIR BRANDING.

IT'S KIND OF AN HOMAGE TO THE ORIGINAL PIZZA HUT.

RIGHT. IF YOU REMEMBER THAT BACK IN WELL, BACK IN THE DAY, I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN A PIZZA HUT FRANCHISEE SINCE 1984.

I BOUGHT THIS NOT THE GRAPEVINE, I BUILT THE ONE IN GRAPEVINE, BUT THE ONE IN SOUTHLAKE.

WE MOVED HERE IN 2004.

NO, 1994.

A LOT LONGER AGO. ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW.

AND BUYING THE ONE HERE ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD FROM THE COMPANY THAT AWNING THAT YOU SAW UP THERE, THEY PUT THAT ON THERE.

I DIDN'T PUT THAT OUT. I WANT TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING MORE NEW AND MORE MODERN, CLEANER, EASIER TO CLEAN AND SOMETHING THAT WON'T TEAR UP.

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ALSO GETS A LOT OF SOIL ON IT, ETCETERA.

SO JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER, TRYING TO GO ALONG WITH THE NATIONAL BRAND, NATIONAL BRANDING, THAT STORE RIGHT THERE, THEY USE THAT GREAT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, GRAPEVINE STORE WAS THE ONE THEY USED FOR THEIR NATIONAL CAMPAIGN.

NATIONAL TELEVISION. WHEN THEY SHOW A STORE OR PIZZA HUT OR GRAPEVINE, LOCATION IS THE ONE THAT THEY BUILD.

SO IF YOU EVER SEE IT, THAT SHOT, THAT'S THE GRAPEVINE STORE.

AND LIKE MIKE WAS SAYING, THE RED IS A HOMAGE TO THE THE REASON FOR THE RED IS THE HOMAGE TO THE OLD RED ROOF THAT THEY HAD THOUSANDS OF THEM BUILT ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR YEARS.

AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE BACKGROUND.

I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THE DESIRE TO REMOVE THE AWNING.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.

I JUST THINK THE BRANDING IS GOING TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE CENTER RIGHT.

LIKE THIS IS A STANDALONE BUILDING.

IT DOES LOOK, I THINK IT DOES LOOK NICE IN THIS CONTEXT.

I JUST THINK IN THE IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS CENTER, IT'S GOING TO LOOK OFF BECAUSE WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT EVERY OTHER EVERY OTHER TENANT IN THAT CENTER IS GOING TO COME FORWARD AND HAVE THE SAME ARGUMENT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR THEIR OWN CORPORATE LOGO.

YOU COULD SAY YOU MADE A BIG IMPROVEMENT BY GETTING THE GUY TO TAKE DOWN THAT RED AWNING.

YEAH, THE OTHER ONE, YEAH.

BECAUSE IT IS. IT IS AN IMPROVEMENT.

YEAH, WELL, WE'RE ON THAT SAME PAGE, RIGHT? WE'RE JUST SAYING PUT THE PUT THE SIGN PIZZA HUT WITH THE HAT, YOU KNOW, IN PLACE OF THAT.

BUT YOU'RE ASKING ME TO TAKE AWAY THE RED NOW I HAVE IT.

TAKE AWAY THE AWNING NOW? YEAH. IT'S RED.

YEAH. YEAH. NO, YOU DO. BUT IT HELPS.

BUT IT HELPS. BUT IT WOULD BE ONE APPROVAL WHERE I THINK YOU'D GET THE VARIANCES ON SIGN SIZE.

SO I THINK IT JUST BE YOUR CALL.

I MEAN IF WE CAN JUST PUT FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION, WE CAN SEND IT TO COUNCIL AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO DO, GREAT.

IF NOT, I GUESS YOU CAN JUST KIND OF LEAVE IT AS IS.

SO. AND AGAIN, COUNCIL COUNCIL MAY HAVE THEIR OWN VIEWPOINT ON IT.

SO WE WE JUST TRY TO TAKE OUR BEST GUESS AT WHAT THEY WOULD VIEW.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS PLEAD YOUR CASE WITH THEM AS WELL IN TERMS OF WHATEVER WE ON A SIDE NOTE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW THIS OR NOT, BUT THE PROBABLY MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE THE OWNER OF THE SHOPPING CENTER EDISON SOMETHING.

YEAH. THE CENTER.

YEAH. THEY'VE APPROVED IT AS SHOWN ON THIS DRAWING.

WELL THEY HAVE MUCH DIFFERENT MOTIVATIONS THAN WE DO.

YEAH. SO JUST.

YEAH. THEY WANT ME TO PAY THE RENT.

YES. YES.

YEP. YEAH. AND WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET.

VERY FAMILIAR. THAT IS, THAT IS, THAT IS A VERY THAT'S A HIDDEN LOCATION.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT'S TOUGH.

AND WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. ALL THE HELP I CAN GET.

OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SO, I SEE.

I CAN SEE THAT. BUT WHAT EVEN ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT SAYS DELIVERY AND PICKUP.

SO IF I ORDER A PICKUP, YOU'RE GOING TO SEND ME THE ADDRESS AND YOUR DELIVERY DRIVERS KNOW WHERE YOU ARE.

SO IS IT A STOREFRONT WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN TO EAT OR IS IT JUST.

NO, IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT FOR THAT.

IT'S FOR CARRYOUT AND JUST RECOGNITION IN THE COMMUNITY.

OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. WE'RE GOOD NOW. THANKS, GUYS.

APPRECIATE IT. WE CAN ASK ANYTHING ELSE, JUST LET US KNOW.

ABSOLUTELY. I GUESS THAT WAS HELPFUL FOR ME, BUT I THINK I WOULD STILL MY BEST GUESS WOULD BE WHAT COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS OUTLINED IN TERMS OF IN EXCHANGE FOR GRANTING THE SIGN AREA AND LOGO AREA VARIANCES AND NOT GRANTING THE. A LITTLE ON PANEL ONE AND ASK HIM FOR THE AWNING TO BE REMOVED AND THEN PLACING THE SIGN ON THE STUCCO EXTERIOR AND NOT THE BRICK.

AND THEN, WE'LL SEE.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT.

AND THEN I'LL EXPLAIN TO THE APPLICANT, I GUESS, IN TERMS OF WHAT'S THE NEXT STEPS.

SEE WHAT MOTION COMES UP HERE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA.

SB 23-0017, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2023, AND NOTING APPROVAL OF THE SIGN AREA AND LOGO AREA VARIANCES CONDITIONED ON THE APPLICANT, REMOVING THE EXISTING AWNING AND PLACING THE NEW SIGN ON THE LOWER PORTION OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE STUCCO IS AND THEN ALSO DENYING THE RED FLUSH MOUNT ALUMINUM PANEL.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. YEAH.

VOTE. AND PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

AND JUST TO EXPLAIN TO THE APPLICANT WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT'S THE VERSION THAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THAT WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE 17TH.

YOU CAN EITHER ASK FOR THAT VERSION TO BE APPROVED, YOU CAN ASK FOR YOUR ORIGINAL VERSION TO BE APPROVED OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN, AND THAT'S LIKELY WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL MAYBE PUSH AND PROD AS WELL.

SO I THINK JUST COME WITH IDEAS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'D LIKE OR COULD GIVE UP AND.

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BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND GOOD LUCK AT COUNCIL.

AND WITH THAT, AT 7:02 P.M., WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.