Feb 22, 2024 Planning and Zoning Commission

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EVERYBODY GOOD? ALL RIGHT.

[1. Call to Order.]

WELCOME TO CITY HALL HERE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

IT'S 6:31 P.M.

WE'RE KICKING OFF OUR CITY OF SOUTHLAKE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON HERE ON FEBRUARY 22ND.

APPRECIATE EVERYBODY JOINING US THIS EVENING.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE EVERYTHING IN THE ORDER ON THE AGENDA IF YOU GOT IT FROM THE BACK.

[4. Chairman Comments.]

I ALWAYS LIKE TO DO THIS AT SOME OF OUR MORE WELL-ATTENDED MEETINGS, JUST TO KIND OF DESCRIBE HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS AND MAYBE TAKING A STEP BACK.

I THINK SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR AS AN APPLICATION STARTS MOVING THROUGH.

THERE'RE SEVERAL STEPS IN THE PROCESS AHEAD OF THIS, SUCH AS A SPIN MEETING WHERE THEY'LL GATHER THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A CORRIDOR COMMITTEE MEETING WHERE THAT ALSO GETS KIND OF VETTED AROUND A CROSS SECTION OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, COMMISSION MEMBERS AND OTHERS.

AND I KNOW THOSE TWO PARTS OF THE PROCESS HAVE OCCURRED AND FEEDBACK HAS OCCURRED.

I KNOW I THINK THE APPLICANTS TRIED TO MEET WITH, WITH AT LEAST SOME OF THE, THE NEIGHBORS SO FAR.

SO, WE'VE KIND OF GONE A LITTLE BIT TOWARD THE PROCESS HERE.

AND NOW WE'RE AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN HERE THIS EVENING? JUST TO DESCRIBE IT FOR EVERYBODY IS THANKFULLY FOR EVERYBODY TONIGHT, I THINK BASICALLY WE ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, SO THAT'LL BE GOOD.

THAT'LL HOPEFULLY KEEP IT EFFICIENT.

SO, WE'RE NOT KIND OF WAITING AROUND.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON THAT ITEM IS THE STAFF WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT WILL COME DOWN AND GIVE A PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'LL ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THEN WE'LL OPEN UP AT SOME WE MIGHT DELIBERATE A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THAT JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHERE PEOPLE ARE.

AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING AND WHERE PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME FORWARD.

TYPICALLY, WE HAVE A THREE-MINUTE LIMIT ON PUBLIC COMMENT JUST TO KIND OF KEEP IT ORDERLY AND LET EVERYBODY KIND OF GET THEIR TIME TO COME UP AND SPEAK.

YOU'LL, YOU'LL I THINK YOU'LL FIND YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH AIR ALL YOUR GRIEVANCES WITHIN ABOUT THREE MINUTES.

AND SOMETIMES IT'LL START TO, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HEAR KIND OF THE SAME CONSISTENT ONES.

WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE LIGHT ON UP THERE THAT STAFF WILL HELP ME MONITOR.

THAT'LL BE GREEN FOR TWO MINUTES, YELLOW FOR THE THIRD MINUTE, AND THEN FLASHING RED WHENEVER THREE MINUTES IS UP, JUST TO KEEP IT BALANCED FOR EVERYBODY.

WE'D ASK THAT YOU ADDRESS ALL YOUR COMMENTS UP TO HERE, TO THE COMMISSION.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY Q&A.

IT'S JUST KIND OF LETTING US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

SO, WE'LL HAVE THAT PORTION OF IT, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK.

I HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMENT CARDS HERE WHERE I'LL READ IT INTO THE RECORD.

IN TERMS OF WHAT YOUR, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.

I ALSO HAVE A FEW OTHER COMMENT CARDS THAT, THAT PEOPLE DO WANT TO SPEAK.

AND I MAY MAKE ONE QUICK EXCEPTION.

WHEN I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, I MAY LET ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS A SPECIAL NEEDS SITUATION COME FORWARD, COMMENT REAL QUICK, AND THEN GO AHEAD AND LEAVE AND THEN KIND OF KEEP IT GOING. BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL HAVE THAT THEN WE'LL CLOSE IT.

WE'LL DELIBERATE A LITTLE BIT MORE AND POTENTIALLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL EVEN IN SUPPORT OR DENIAL OR SOMETIMES THESE CAN GET TABLED. AND IF IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL KNOWING THAT THIS IS A LAND USE PLAN AND A ZONING REQUEST, IT'LL HAVE AT LEAST TWO READINGS AT COUNCIL.

SO, THERE'S WE'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS.

WE'VE HAD SOME THAT PLAY OUT. WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE OF IT PLAY OUT AND WE'LL JUST SEE HOW IT GOES TONIGHT.

BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF DESCRIPTION OF HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.

I'LL TRY TO REMIND EVERYBODY AGAIN WHEN WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION, JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS HOW THIS WORKS.

I WOULDN'T BE AFRAID. WHEN YOU GET UP THERE TO THE PODIUM, IT MAY LOOK A LITTLE INTIMIDATING, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT.

SO HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY ALL THAT HELPS EVERYBODY.

AND THEN I GUESS WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD WITH THAT AND LAUNCH RIGHT INTO OUR AGENDA.

WHICH ITEM NUMBER THREE IS IF THERE'S ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENT, DENNIS, FROM STAFF TONIGHT OR JENNIFER, ANY ANY COMMENT FROM STAFF TONIGHT OR ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS? I THINK POTENTIALLY, YES.

NO. NO COMMENTS.

OKAY, GOOD. NO. IF I LOAD YOU TO SLEEP, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, SO I APOLOGIZE.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

I THINK I'VE WRAPPED UP ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS.

SO, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA WHICH WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THAT.

[5. Consider: Approval of the minutes for the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on February 8, 2024.]

SO, FIRST ITEM IS NUMBER FIVE.

CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING HELD ON FEBRUARY 8TH.

EVERYBODY'S BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THOSE.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THOSE BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. VOTE PLEASE AND APPROVE.

SEVEN ZERO. WE'RE OFF TO THE RACES HERE.

NOW. ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA IS A REQUEST TO TABLE A ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR TOMMY'S CAR WASH.

[6. Request to Table: ZA23-0073, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Tommy's Car Wash, for property described as Lot 13, Block 3R, Cimmarron Acres, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 101 N. Pearson Lane, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "C-2" Local Retail Commercial District. Requested Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #11 (The applicant is requesting to table this item until the March 21, 2024 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting.)]

TO TABLE THIS TO OUR MARCH 21ST MEETING.

SO, I GUESS IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AS WELL.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA, NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO TABLE THE ITEM UNTIL THE MARCH 21ST, 2024, PNC MEETING.

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LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.

SEVEN ZERO OKAY.

NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.

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WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL HEAR BOTH THOSE ITEMS TOGETHER.

WE MAY VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY ULTIMATELY, BUT WE'LL HEAR BOTH ITEMS TOGETHER.

SO WHENEVER ULTIMATELY, A PUBLIC HEARING IS OPENED UP, THAT'S FOR BOTH ITEMS SEVEN AND EIGHT.

BUT SO, STAFF WILL GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON BOTH.

SO WILL THE APPLICANT.

AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

THERE'S NO SIGNBOARD. SO, THIS IS THE THIS IS THE HIGHLIGHT.

SO, STAFF WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND TAKE IT AWAY PLEASE.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING.

SAGE GROUP, ON BEHALF OF MENDEZ LIMITED, IS REQUESTING TWO THINGS FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

IT'S A LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE OVERLOOK.

THE EXISTING LAND USE DESIGNATION IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

AND THE PROPOSED LAND USE DESIGNATION IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN FOR ITEM EIGHT, THERE'S A ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE OVERLOOK AND WILLOW TREE GARDENS.

THE EXISTING ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND SP-1 A SINGLE-FAMILY EXCUSE ME, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

AND THE PROPOSED ZONING IS TEASED TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT.

STARTING WITH THE LAND USE.

THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE.

THIS. THE AMENDMENT IS ONLY FOR THIS AREA OF THE REQUEST.

IT IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED LAND USE AMENDMENT.

EXHIBIT. IT'S FOR THIS AREA HERE.

THAT IS THE OFFICE COMPONENT OF THEIR REQUEST.

AND THERE AGAIN THEY'RE JUST WANTING TO CHANGE THAT TO OFFICE COMMERCIAL FOR THAT SECTION.

THERE ARE SITE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS LARGER PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT'S FMLU TEN AND I'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY.

FIRST SITE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION IS FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE FRONTING ON CARROLL AVENUE.

A GARDEN OFFICE USES MAY BE CONSIDERED IF DEVELOPMENT IS PLANNED IN A COMPREHENSIVE MANNER.

AND THEN THIS BLUE OUTLINE RIGHT HERE IS THE LARGER OUTLINE FOR FMLU-10.

IT DOESN'T CORRESPOND DIRECTLY WITH THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

THE BLACK BOX IS THE AREA THAT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR THE LAND USE CHANGE.

THE SECOND SITE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION IS TO BUFFER EXISTING AND FUTURE RESIDENTIAL USES FROM OFFICE USES.

AND THERE ARE EXISTING OFFICE USES DOWN HERE.

AND THEN AGAIN, THEY'RE PROPOSING OFFICE USES HERE.

SO, IT WOULD ALSO APPLY TO THESE TWO BOUNDARIES HERE.

THE NEXT RECOMMENDATION IS THAT ANY FUTURE CONNECTION OF CROSS LANE TO CARROLL AVENUE IS NOT INTENDED.

THIS IS CROSS LANE RIGHT HERE WHERE IT ENDS.

IT STEPS INTO THE PROPERTY HERE.

A NEW DRIVE CUT AT CARROLL AVENUE AND MAIN STREET IS NOT RECOMMENDED DUE TO EXISTING TRAFFIC CONDITIONS AND VOLUMES OF THIS INTERSECTION AND THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE LIGHT.

THIS IS SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

BUT JUST POINTING THAT OUT HERE THAT THIS IS WHERE MAIN STREET INTERSECTS.

AND ANY OFFICE DEVELOPMENT ALONG CARROLL AVENUE SHOULD HAVE CROSS ACCESS BACK TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT 1709 TOWER PLAZA, AS WELL AS TO THE OFFICE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH TO ACCESS THE EXISTING DRIVE ON CARROLL AVENUE.

AND JUST THIS HERE IS WHERE THE TOWER PLAZA INTERSECTS, AND THERE'S A LIGHT THERE.

MOVING ON TO ITEM EIGHT.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND SF-1 A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE BOUNDARY HERE.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF STREET VIEWS FROM NORTH CARROLL AVENUE.

AND THIS IS A VIEW FROM CROSS LANE.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND FOR THE PROPOSED OFFICE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE GROSS ACREAGE IS ABOUT 1.98 ACRES.

THERE'S A PROPOSED OPEN SPACE IS 0.57 ACRES.

WAS 29%.

THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT OR THE TOTAL BUILDING AREA, IS 26,000FT².

AND THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

THEY'RE PROPOSING TO FOLLOW THE O-1 OFFICE DISTRICT FOR USES MINIMUM OF 25% OPEN SPACE.

MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE IS 35%.

MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS 80%.

UNDER BUILDING STANDARDS, THE BUILDING WILL BE ORIENTED TOWARD CARROLL AVENUE, WITH A FRONT SETBACK OF 15FT AND SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS OF 25FT.

A TWO-STORY MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

MAXIMUM BUILDING AREA, AS I NOTED BEFORE, IS 26,000FT².

AND THEN FOR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS IT WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF 1000FT² WITH A SUP REQUIRED.

THEIR PARKING IS 3.33 SPACES PER 1000FT² OF FLOOR AREA.

AND THEIR TRASH AND RECYCLE SCREENING IS A THREE-SIDED, EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY WALL WITH AN OPAQUE ENTRY DOOR.

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AND THEY'RE ALSO SAYING THAT THEY'LL DO ANY SCREENING FOR ANY SURFACE PARKING VIEWABLE FROM CARROLL AVENUE WITH LANDSCAPING.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE OPEN SPACE STANDARDS ARE A MINIMUM OF 14.58%.

THE BLOCK LOT STANDARDS, WHICH ARE TYPICAL IN WHAT YOU SEE.

IT'S A REQUIREMENT IN THE DEED TO SPECIFY BLOCK AND LOT STANDARDS.

LOT AREA MINIMUM IS 5700FT².

THE LOT WIDTH AND DEPTH AS MINIMUM 46FT WIDE BY 125FT WITH ALLEY ACCESS, AND THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE IS 70%.

BUILDING STANDARDS.

THEY'RE PROPOSING A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF TWO STORIES.

MAXIMUM BUILDING AREA OF 5200FT² WITH A MINIMUM OF 3000FT².

FRONT SETBACK OF TEN FEET.

SIDE REAR SIDE SETBACK OF SIX FEET ON ONE SIDE ZERO ON THE OTHER.

REAR SETBACK OF 20FT.

ACCESSORY BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE A MAXIMUM.

WOULD BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF 500FT², AND THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE ORIENTED TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE INTERNAL STREET.

HERE'S A RENDERING OVERVIEW.

SHOWING THE OFFICE BUILDING IN THE FRONT.

THIS IS SOUTHWEST VIEW OF THE BUILDING FROM CARROLL AVENUE.

THE SOUTHEAST AERIAL VIEW OF THE BUILDING AND THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED ENTRY FEATURE.

AND ANOTHER WILLOW TREE GARDENS.

EAST. AERIAL VIEW.

IT'S AN INTERIOR STREET VIEW.

AND THESE ARE THE PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AS OF TODAY.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. I'M HAPPY.

JUST A FEW QUICK I THINK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

SO, ON THE MEDIUM DENSITY LAND USE OVERLAY, ARE THERE ANY MINIMUM LOT SIZES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT LAND USE CATEGORY? NO, THERE'S NOT THE ONLY LAND USE CATEGORY THAT THAT APPLIES TO IS THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS A ONE ACRE MINIMUM.

OKAY. AND THEN ON THE GARDEN OFFICE, PERMITTED USE UNDER THE SITE-SPECIFIC LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THAT'S JUST ENTITLED GARDEN OFFICE.

IT DOESN'T DEFINE EITHER 1 OR 2 STORIES.

IT'S KIND OF OPEN ENDED.

I GUESS IT DOES NOT.

WE DO NOT HAVE A DEFINITION FOR GARDEN OFFICE, BUT IT DOES.

IT DOES STIPULATE THAT IF THAT'S LOOKED AT THAT ACCESS BACK TO 1709 IS IS PREFERRED.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN LAST, LAST ONE FOR ME AT LEAST JUST CONFIRMING THERE ARE NO PROPOSED RESTAURANT OR RETAIL USES WITHIN THIS APPLICATION.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

OKAY. OKAY.

OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS TO STAFF AT LEAST.

OKAY. NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW, I'LL CALL THE APPLICANT UP.

TO PRESENT AND FOR EVERYONE WHO WILL SPEAK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND THEN MAYBE JUST TRY TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE PRESENTATION EFFICIENT, AND THEN WE'LL LAUNCH IN WITH QUESTIONS AT ANY POINT TO, TO ASK.

SUPER.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS CURTIS YOUNG WITH THE SAGE GROUP, 1130 NORTH CARROLL HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

TRAVIS FRANK'S WILLOW TREE CUSTOM HOMES 775 LAKEWOOD IN SOUTHLAKE.

JENNY COVERED A LOT OF THIS, BUT I THOUGHT I'D GO THROUGH IT REAL QUICK.

AND THEN I'D LIKE TO SHOW VIDEO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE FLAVOR OF THE PROJECT.

AGAIN, THIS IS AT 9.2 ACRES IN THIS LOCATION ACROSS FROM SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE, NORTH OF THE MEDICAL OFFICE COMPLEX HERE.

CARROLL AVENUE IS ON THE EASTERN SIDE, SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

IT HAS ACCESS TO CARROLL AVENUE.

CROSS LANE IS STUBBED INTO THE PROPERTY.

AS JENNY SAID, IT'S NOT SLATED TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO CARROLL, BUT IT DOES HAVE ACCESS TO HERE.

AT THE REQUEST OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE IN THESE LOTS OVER HERE, WE HAVE PROPOSED AN EMERGENCY ONLY ACCESS TO THAT STREET, WHICH WOULD JUST BE THERE FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES, PROBABLY NEVER BE OPEN, BUT IT DOES GIVE EMERGENCY VEHICLES

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IF THERE'S A PROBLEM ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING.

AND HERE'S OUR PROPOSAL.

AS JENNY SAID, THERE'S AN OFFICE AS THE TRANSITION ZONING SPECIFIES KIND OF A MULTI-USE PROPOSAL.

WE HAVE AN OFFICE ALONG CARROLL AVENUE, A TWO STORY 26,000FT² WITH PARKING IN REAR.

SO, IT WILL BE FRONTED ALONG CARROLL'S SIMILAR TO THE BUILDINGS ON IN SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE PARKING ON THE SIDES AND REAR.

AND THEN THERE WILL BE A GATED ENTRY IN THE NORTHERN PORTION RIGHT HERE THAT WILL GIVE ACCESS TO THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE.

THESE ARE WHAT YOU WOULD CALL ZERO LOT LINE TYPE LOTS.

THEY'RE ALL ALLEY SERVED.

SO, THE GARAGES ARE IN BACK.

SO THAT PROVIDES A REALLY NICE STREETSCAPE.

IN ADDITION, WE'RE PROPOSING A, A MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE HERE, HEAVILY LANDSCAPED WITH FOUNTAINS AND GATHERING AREAS WITH INSET PARKING IN THE MEDIAN TO ALLOW FOR FRONT PARKING IN FRONT OF THE AREAS HERE.

WE WERE ALSO PROPOSING THAT THE SIDEWALK WOULD EXTEND TO THE OFFICE PARKING LOT HERE TO ALLOW FOR AFTER HOURS AND WEEKEND PARKING FOR PARTIES AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT.

SO, ALL OF THESE LOTS WOULD FRONT ON THE CENTER KIND OF LOOP STREET HERE WITH THE MEDIAN AND BE SERVICED THEIR GARAGES IN THE BACK HERE FROM THE ALLEY.

LIKE THIS. THIS IS WHERE THE EMERGENCY ONLY GATE WOULD BE HERE.

ONE THING THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS THE INABILITY FOR THEMSELVES, VISITORS, EVEN DELIVERY TRUCKS TO TURN AROUND AT THE END OF CROSS DRIVE BECAUSE THERE'S NO TURNAROUND THERE.

SO, KIND OF AT THEIR REQUEST, WE'VE OFFERED TO DO A, A TURNAROUND OUTSIDE THE GATE SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE THOSE VEHICLES WOULD BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND HERE.

AS A PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AS FAR AS ACCESS OFF OF CARROLL, OUR ENGINEER HAS DESIGNED A LEFT TURN LANE IN THE EXISTING MEDIAN IN HERE TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE NORTHERN ENTRY IN THIS LOCATION HERE.

AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS HERE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE RELATED TO TRAFFIC.

WE DID DO A TRAFFIC STUDY ON WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE TO CARROLL AVENUE, AND IT'S, I BELIEVE, THEY TERMED IT NEGLIGIBLE.

SO, MOST OF THE TRAFFIC ON CARROLL, AS YOU KNOW, IS EITHER THROUGH TRAFFIC TO OTHER AREAS OR RELATED TO SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE.

AND YES, THAT WOULD BE OUR POINT OF ACCESS, BUT WE WOULDN'T CHANGE IT.

ALL THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS OR CONGESTION ON CARROLL AVENUE.

DRAINAGE. WE'VE GOT THAT ALL THOUGHT THROUGH AS WELL.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DRAINAGE THAT DRAINS TO THE SITE FROM THE NORTH.

THERE IS A DROP INLET AT THE LAST LOT OF CROSS LANES HERE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO TAKE IT UP.

BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S A LOT OF DRAINAGE THAT THAT MAKES IT ONTO THAT STREET.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT INTO THAT INLET.

WHAT WE WOULD DO, OF COURSE, IS CAPTURE ALL THAT AND PUT IT INTO A DETENTION RETENTION POND HERE, IN THIS CORNER HERE, AND THEN THAT IT WOULD LEAVE AND NOT NO LONGER AFFECT THOSE RESIDENTS OVER THERE.

UTILITIES AND EVERYTHING ARE EASILY PUT IN BETWEEN CARROLL AND CROSS LANE.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS IN DETAIL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.

AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF HERE'S THE PLAN FOR WHERE THE OFFICE BUILDING IS.

YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE RENDERINGS HERE OF THE OFFICE BUILDING.

IT'S A TWO-STORY OFFICE BUILDING FRONTING ON CARROLL WITH THE PARKING IN BACK.

AND HERE'S A NIGHTTIME VIEW.

THE LITTLE KIND OF GATHERING AREA HERE IN FRONT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A RESTAURANT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S JUST INTENDED TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE BUILDING CAN GO AND CONGREGATE AND TAKE A BREAK.

HERE'S SOME MORE RENDERINGS OF IT.

HERE. AND THEN OF COURSE, THIS IS THE ENTRY TO THE RESIDENTIAL HERE OR THE GATED ENTRY HERE.

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RESIDENTS OF COURSE, WOULD HAVE ELECTRONIC ACCESS.

AND HERE'S WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

A LOT OF PHOTOGRAPHS AND RENDERINGS THAT WE'VE DONE HERE.

THIS IS HOW THE GATE WOULD LOOK FROM THE FAR WESTERN SIDE HERE.

AND HERE'S THE TURNAROUND AND HOW THE GATE WOULD BE.

AT THE END OF THAT TURNAROUND.

AND THEN THIS WOULD BE OUR DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SIDE OVER HERE.

THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

HERE'S SOME SAMPLE LAYOUTS OF THAT.

YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT HERE, THERE'LL BE SIDEWALKS, THERE'LL BE LANDSCAPING IN FRONT.

THERE'LL BE MINIMUM OF SIX FEET BETWEEN THE USES.

AND THEN THE, THE BUILDINGS AND THEN THE DRIVEWAYS THE REARS WOULD BE SET BACK AT LEAST 20FT SO THAT THERE'D BE PLENTY OF ROOM NOT ONLY FOR PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAYS, BUT PARKING IN THE GARAGES THEMSELVES THAT THEY LEAD TO.

HERE'S SOME LARGER RENDERINGS OF THE ENTRY.

THE RETENTION POND AND THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

AND THIS IS A VIEW OF THE CENTER MEDIAN BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL.

HERE ARE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES THAT WILL BE GATHERING AREAS THAT BENCHES.

THERE WILL BE HEAVILY LANDSCAPED AND REALLY LOOK NICE.

THERE'S KIND OF A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF.

WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE.

SO THAT'S OUR DEVELOPMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY. IT'S NOT THAT LONG.

IT'S JUST A MINUTE AND A HALF.

A LITTLE VIDEO TO GIVE YOU A REALLY GOOD IDEA OF THE FLAVOR.

OBVIOUSLY, THE MATERIALS, THE DESIGN, EVERYTHING ABOUT THESE RESIDENTIAL UNITS WILL BE TOPFLIGHT.

AND YOU KNOW.

A REAL NICE ADDITION TO THE CITY.

TRAVIS, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE INSPIRATION.

I'LL GO RELATIVELY FAST HERE.

JUST A FEW THINGS OF THE WHY AND THE HISTORY OF WHAT WE CAME TO THIS POINT.

JUST FROM A FAMILY HISTORY SIDE OF THINGS, JUST TO GET YOU GUYS CAUGHT UP ON WHERE, WHO I AM AND WHAT I DO.

I AM THE OWNER OF WILLOW TREE CUSTOM HOMES, AND ALSO WILL BE THE ACTING DEVELOPER AND THE HOME BUILDER IN THIS PROCESS.

OUR FAMILY'S BEEN HERE SINCE 1955.

MY GRANDFATHER WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE NAME SOUTHLAKE.

OUR FIRST MAYOR LES CROW.

IT WAS HIS BEST FRIEND AND BUSINESS PARTNER.

AND MY FATHER-IN-LAW SERVED AS A BAND DIRECTOR FOR THIS TOWN FOR 34 YEARS.

STARTED IN 1978.

SO, WE HAVE A LONG-STANDING HISTORY.

THIRD GENERATION KIDS THROUGH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

AND REALLY ALMOST 17 GRADUATES AS PART OF OUR FAMILY FROM SOUTHLAKE.

SO, IT MEANS A LOT TO US.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT COMING IN OR FLY BY NIGHT TRYING TO DO SOMETHING AND LEAVE.

THIS THIS ANYTHING WE DO IN THIS TOWN, WE WANT TO PUT SOMETHING THAT'S QUALITY, THAT'S MEMORABLE, THAT'S VERY SPECIAL TO THIS TOWN.

SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID THE WHY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS YOU KNOW, REALLY HEARING FROM OUR, OUR FRIENDS, FAMILY AND CITIZENS AND SOME OTHERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. YOU KNOW, THE CATALYZED SYSTEM WHICH MY KIDS ARE IN CURRENTLY ARE IN AN INTERESTING SITUATION FINANCIALLY.

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IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE KIDS IN SEATS.

AND THAT'S KIND OF A PART OF THIS THING.

WE HAVE A GAP IN OUR OFFERING IN SOUTHLAKE.

WE DON'T HAVE THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT SHORT OF CARROLLINE PARK THAT JUST GOT APPROVED BUT NOT STARTED.

WE DO NOT HAVE THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT, AND WE ARE IN A DESPERATE NEED TO KEEP OUR, OUR EMPTY NESTERS OR A SOUTHLAKE AFFORDABLE YOUNG FAMILY THAT HAVE AN OPTION THAT'S $2 MILLION OR LESS IF YOU WANT NEW CONSTRUCTION.

AND IT SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT SILLY TO SAY THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE IN THIS TOWN.

ANYTHING ABOVE THIS LOT SIZE, IF WE GET INTO A BIGGER LOT DENSITY OR LIKE, A HALF-ACRE LOT, WE'RE GOING TO BE AT $3 MILLION AND UP.

AND THAT DOES NOT HELP OUR SYSTEM FROM THE SCHOOL.

IT DOES NOT HELP OUR ABILITY TO GET MORE KIDS AND YOUNGER KIDS IN THIS FAMILY.

SO, THE EMPTY NESTING PART WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING TO SOME PEOPLE THAT I'M SURE WILL SPEAK TONIGHT THAT SAY, WELL, IF I MOVE OUT OF MY HOUSE, THAT WAS $1 MILLION HOUSE OR $1,000,002 HOUSE, AND I CAN MOVE IN HERE WITH ZERO MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, LUXURY LIVING.

AND NOW THAT FREES MY HOME UP FOR A YOUNG FAMILY TO BUY AT A LOWER PRICE POINT.

SO, THERE IS SOME MERIT TO THAT.

IT'S A LOCK AND LEAVE TYPE COMMUNITY.

SO, HOA WILL MAINTAIN THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.

EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN THIS PICTURE, IN THIS VIDEO WILL BE THAT WAY.

IT WILL BE MAINTAINED EVERY DAY BY AN HOA COVERED EXPENSE.

THE PROXIMITY TOWN SQUARE.

I MEAN, WE GOT THE GREATEST TOWN SQUARE IN THE NATION.

WE ARE AT MAIN AND MAIN, SO IN ANYWHERE, IF YOU PICK ANY STATE IN THE UNITED STATES, THE CORNER OF MAIN AND MAIN DOES NOT HAVE RESIDENTIAL.

IT DOES HAVE IT HAS HIGHER DENSITY IF THERE IS RESIDENTIAL AROUND IT, AND IT HAS A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK TO THE GREATEST TOWN SQUARE THAT WE THAT THAT WE KNOW. AND SO, THERE'S THAT PROXIMITY IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE WANT AN EMPTY NEST AND LEAVE THEIR CAR IN THE GARAGE AND WALK TO TOWN SQUARE, ENJOY THE RESTAURANTS THAT WE'VE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AND PROVIDED FOR THE CITY.

SO AGAIN, GO BACK TO THE DIVERSITY HOME OPTIONS.

I MEAN, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THIS PRODUCT IN GREAT DEMAND.

WE'RE LOSING PEOPLE TO GRAPEVINE, TO TROPHY CLUB AND TO WESTLAKE BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY.

THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO. AND IF THEY'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, WHICH I HAVE SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFICALLY THAT IF THEY HAVE TO LEAVE, THEY CAN'T WELL, THEY CAN'T LEAVE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MOVE OUT OF THEIR PLACE.

AND HAVE THEY HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO.

THEY HAVE THEY LIVE MAYBE ON A ONE-ACRE HIGH MAINTENANCE.

THEY'RE MAYBE GETTING OLDER.

THEY DON'T WANT TO KEEP UP WITH THAT AND THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO.

SO THAT'S THE DIVERSITY OF THE HOME OPTIONS.

WE DO EVERYTHING HIGH CLASS, YOU KNOW, TOP NOTCH.

WE WON'T CUT CORNERS. THIS WILL BE, IN MY OPINION, THE MOST PRIVATE, HIGH-END COMMUNITY, GATED, GATED COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE IN SOUTHLAKE.

AND AGAIN, THE BONUS IS TO WALK TO TOWN SQUARE.

SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE GOT SOME ANSWERS FROM SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD AT CORRIDOR.

IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DIVE INTO IT.

I HAVE RUN COMPS ON AREAS IN WESTLAKE AND SOUTHLAKE.

AND JUST TO KIND OF COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE AND DON'T HAVE, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW.

AND, AND THE REGARDING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE'RE GOING TO GET ABOUT TRAFFIC WITH OUR TRAFFIC STUDY GUY HERE THAT CAN SPEAK TO IT IN DETAIL.

YOU KNOW, 75% OF THE TAX REVENUE, DOLLARS THAT COME THROUGH OUR TOWN ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE HERE.

SO, THE TRAFFIC IS NOT PEOPLE FROM CARROLL.

IT'S NOT PEOPLE FROM SOUTHLAKE.

IT'S NOT MY DEVELOPMENT FUTURE.

YOU KNOW, HOPEFUL DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE ADDING TRAFFIC TO CARROLL.

CARROLL IS ITS OWN, ITS OWN MONSTER THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT IN TOTALLY DIFFERENT WAYS.

BUT IT'S NOT. WE'RE ADDING 1% GOING SOUTHBOUND ON ONTO CARROLL DURING PEAK HOURS.

SO, WE'RE NOT REALLY, WE'RE WAITING EVERY TWO MINUTES AND 18 SECONDS IS WHAT A CAR WILL LEAVE OUR DEVELOPMENT DURING OFF OF CARROLL.

SO, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY US ON THE CARROLL AND TRAFFIC SIDE.

SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID HOPEFULLY I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANSWERING QUESTIONS, BUT HAPPY TO GO FROM THERE.

YEAH. NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOOD PRESENTATION.

I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS, BUT I GUESS I'LL LET MAYBE SOME OTHERS LAUNCH IN FIRST AND THEN SEE ONE, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS. SO, WHEN WE WERE AT CORRIDOR COMMITTEE THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT GETTING YOUR RESIDENTS ACROSS CARROLL TO TOWN SQUARE.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT GOING UP TO THE LIGHT THING.

I FORGET WHERE IT'S AT, BUT OMB YEAH, WE'VE IN OUR PROPOSAL ARE SHOWING THAT WE'LL BUILD A SIDEWALK UP TO OMB WHERE THERE'S A CROSSWALK GOING ACROSS.

OKAY IN FRONT OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S THERE.

AND I CAN ADD TO THAT, TOO, JUST ON THAT, THAT THERE IS THERE'S SOME THOUGHT THAT THAT CROSSWALK IS NOT ADEQUATE TO ESPECIALLY THIS BUSY STREET OF CARROLL. SO, I WOULD PROPOSE, OBVIOUSLY, TO LOOK INTO THAT WITH THE CITY.

TO LIGHT THAT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SAFER FOR YOU TO WALK ACROSS.

IF YOU GO DOWN TO CARROLL IN ITSELF AND THERE'S A CROSSWALK THAT GOES TO CARROLL ACROSS CARROLL, THAT THING LIGHTS UP LIKE.

LIKE IT'S YOU CAN SEE IT FROM A MILE AWAY.

AND IT REALLY INDICATES THAT PEOPLE SLOW DOWN AND STOP AND LET PEOPLE CROSS.

I FEEL LIKE THAT CROSSWALK AT OMB CAN BE IMPROVED, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN BE A PART OF THAT, BUT SIDEWALK WOULD BE IT'S GOT ENOUGH SPACE TO GIVE THE ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF SIDEWALK

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SO, WE'RE NOT DOING ANY SMALLER VARIANCES FOR SAFETY TO GET THERE.

OKAY. AND THAT WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION.

HAD YOU GUYS LOOKED AT IT FURTHER SINCE WE WERE AT CORRIDOR COMMITTEE.

SO THAT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NOT TO BE, I GUESS DIFFICULT ABOUT IT, BUT WE WANT TO AVOID A KIND OF A FROGGER SITUATION TRYING TO GET ACROSS CARROLL.

AND SO, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU LOOKED FURTHER OR IF IT'S JUST, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT SOME MORE KIND OF WHAT THE SITUATION IS THERE BECAUSE TO ME THAT, I MEAN, LOOK, THE BIGGEST ISSUE IN MY MIND IS CARROLL AVENUE, BOTH FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT AND A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT.

AND SO, I THINK THOSE ISSUES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND ADDRESSING IT LATER, I'M NOT SURE IS GOING TO BE THE RIGHT WAY TO GO ON THAT.

BUT I GUESS WE'LL SEE.

I WOULD DEFINITELY PROPOSE THAT THAT WE PUT IN A DESCRIPTION OF THE SIDEWALK AND A RENDERING SHOWING WHAT THAT SIDEWALK WILL LOOK LIKE, AND EVEN TO THE POINT OF PUTTING SOME KIND OF GATE OR NOT, GATE FENCING ALONG THE CARROLL SIDE.

SO, THERE'S NOT THAT RISK OF WALKING INTO CARROLL.

SO, TO GET IT REAL SECURE.

SO, I'M OPEN TO DO ALL THAT TO GET US TO OMB.

OKAY? OKAY.

OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANT TO JUMP IN WITH QUESTIONS.

YEAH. LISTEN, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THE PROCESS.

THE THOUGHT PROCESS OR THE THESIS OF SOUTHLAKE IS GETTING VERY EXPENSIVE, AND IT'S HARD FOR YOUNG FAMILIES TO BE HERE.

RIGHT? BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT MAKING LONG TERM DECISIONS ON LAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO LIVE WITH FOR 30, 40, 50, HOPEFULLY 100 YEARS IS THE RIGHT APPROACH TO FIXING IT FOR WHAT SHOULD BE HOPEFULLY A MEDIUM TERM OR INTERMEDIATE TERM BUDGET ISSUE.

SO, WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH MOST ABOUT THIS, OBVIOUSLY, IS THE DENSITY TO IT.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

THE QUALITY LOOKS FANTASTIC.

I THINK YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT BUILDER IN THIS TOWN, AND YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF HISTORY WITH THIS TOWN.

AND I BELIEVE YOU WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS TOWN.

IT'S JUST THE DENSITY THAT I STRUGGLE WITH.

I WOULD ALSO BE CURIOUS THAT THESIS PLAYING OUT.

MEANING WE HAVE BROWNSTONES IN TOWN SQUARE RIGHT NOW, AND THE ARGUMENT BEING THAT PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF THEIR 5000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE OR 6000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, AND DOWNSIZE INTO THAT OF THE BROWNSTONES THAT ARE HERE, HOW MANY ARE THOSE FROM A PERCENTAGE WISE PEOPLE THAT TRULY DID DOWNSIZE? OR ARE THEY JUST NEW ENTRANCE TO SOUTHLAKE? MY SENSE IS THAT MANY OF THEM ARE NEW ENTRANTS TO SOUTHLAKE, AND SO IT DOESN'T REALLY SOLVE THAT ISSUE, SO TO SPEAK.

AND THEY'RE TRAVELING EXECUTIVES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AGAINST THIS PRODUCT TYPE IN CERTAIN TOWNS AND CERTAIN AREAS.

I THINK THERE ARE AREAS OF SAVANNAH, GEORGIA, CHARLESTON, NEW YORK, ALL THAT THING THAT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY NICE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, MY PERSPECTIVE IS JUST NOT WHERE WE ARE AND WHO WE ARE.

YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW I'D GET THAT STATISTIC FOR YOU, BUT I JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT PRODUCT OF PEOPLE WHO I GUESS WE CAN LOOK AT THE BROWNSTONE OCCUPANTS AND SEE WHERE THEY LIVE AND WHERE THEY CAME FROM.

BUT THERE IS A NEED FOR IT.

AND I THINK THERE'LL BE SOME THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE HERE.

I JUST KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CLOSE TO ME AND HAS SUPPORTED THIS PROCESS.

I WOULD SAY THIS THING WOULD BE SOLD OUT WITHIN A AND THEY'RE ALL SOUTHLAKE LOCALS.

THIS THING WOULD BE SOLD OUT BEFORE WE FINISHED MOVING DIRT.

SO, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'S OBJECTIVE.

YEP. I WANT TO STATE FACTS AS MUCH AS I CAN, BUT THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT WE GET A CALL ON AS A RESIDENTIAL BUILDER.

AND I OWN 15 LOTS IN CARROLL PARK AS WELL.

SO, I'M KIND OF VESTED.

I'M VESTED INTO THIS OPPORTUNITY AND THIS THIS THIS PRICE POINT.

AND I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT THE EFFECT OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT TRAVIS WAS TALKING ABOUT IS REALLY AN EXTRA ADDED BENEFIT.

YEAH. I MEAN, THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO BE KIND OF A GEM IN THIS LOCATION AS AND AS A TRANSITION FROM THE ACTIVITY AND OFFICES ALONG SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD TO THE HALF-ACRE COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH.

AND SO, I THINK IT WORKS VERY WELL FROM THAT REGARD.

ALSO CURIOUS FROM JUST A CIRCULATION STANDPOINT.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I DO MY RESEARCH, THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY ALSO OWNS THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF IT.

FROM AN INGRESS AND EGRESS STANDPOINT TO 1709.

HAS THAT BEEN A THOUGHT? YES, SIR. SO, THERE IS A, THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT.

THE CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE DRIVING TRAFFIC THROUGH A PARKING LOT, AND THESE ARE MEDICAL BUILDINGS WITH ELDERLY PEOPLE GOING TO THEM DAILY ACROSS THAT ARE WALKING ACROSS THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE THERE'S SPACES ON BOTH SIDES.

SO, HIS CONCERN BECAUSE HE DOES OWN THE BUILDINGS AND HE COLLECTS RENT, THAT'S HIS LIVELIHOOD THAT THAT BRINGING ANOTHER ENTRY INTO THAT SPOT IS JUST BRINGING PEOPLE INTO TO A PARKING LOT. AND THAT'S HARD TO CONTROL REGARDLESS OF THE LIGHT THERE OR NOT.

SO YES, IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP, BUT I DO.

I DO HAVE TO CONSIDER HIS CONCERN BEING THAT HE OWNS BOTH THOSE BUILDINGS AND THERE'S IT'S ALL MEDICAL.

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OTHER QUESTIONS? SURE. GO AHEAD. MAYBE SOME OF MY QUESTIONS ARE BETTER SUITED FOR THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT I WAS TRYING TO DO SOME MATH ABOUT THE 87 PARKING SPOTS FOR THE OFFICE SPACE, AND THEN 28 HOMES THAT COULD HAVE UP TO FOUR CARS PER HOME, AND THEN THE ON-STREET PARKING.

I COULDN'T QUITE CALCULATE THE NUMBER OF SPOTS, BUT ALL THAT IS, IT'S A LOT OF PARKING SPACES AND TRAFFIC CREATING A LOT OF POTENTIAL.

AND I KNOW WHAT THE ODDS OF EVERYBODY LEAVING AT ONCE.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT COULD HAPPEN.

BUT MY BIG ISSUE AND CONCERN IS, IS ALSO THE TRAFFIC AND HAVING ONE INGRESS EGRESS POINT WITH NOT TOO MUCH SPACE BEFORE A MAJOR INTERSECTION.

I THE DEVELOPMENT, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T REALLY HAVE AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE WITH BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE IN TOWN SQUARE.

I THINK THE I THINK WHERE.

WHERE I I'M KIND OF LIKE, WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU PICK ONE OR THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST DO ALL RESIDENTIAL AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FRONT SPACE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE STACKING? AND TRY TO DO TWO USES TO CREATE THAT MUCH AT ONCE.

SO, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY HAVE A QUESTION OTHER THAN IF YOU WANTED TO FILL IN THE SPACE WITH THE NUMBERS, BUT I ASSUME THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS PROBABLY GOING TO COME UP AT SOME POINT.

GENTLEMEN. YOU THINK? YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT HERE GABBING.

SO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

ALL PERTINENT. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO JUMP IN? YEAH. YOU WERE DISCUSSING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU NEED THE KIDS.

I MEAN, WHERE THIS IS NOT GOING TO ATTRACT FAMILIES WITH KIDS AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT WROTE IN COMPLAINING ABOUT THE THROUGH STREET ON CROSS, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR KIDS PLAYING IN STREET.

WHERE ARE THE KIDS GOING TO PLAY HERE? THERE'S NO GREEN SPACE.

THAT'S GREEN SPACE CAN BE MODIFIED.

THEY ADD MORE GREEN SPACE WHERE THERE'S NOT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE MANY CABANAS OR WHATEVER.

THAT'S A THAT'S ACTUALLY A FAIRLY WIDE PIECE OF GRASS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING CREATIVELY TO ADD MORE GREEN SPACE FOR, FOR THAT, WE CAN DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS HEAVILY GOING TO BE ALL YOUNG FAMILIES, BUT IT IS A PRICE POINT THAT YOUNG FAMILIES ARE MOVING CURRENTLY TO SOUTHLAKE ARE, CAN AFFORD.

AND IF YOU TAKE THIS VILLA AWAY, THE NEXT, NEXT STEP FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IS ABOUT THAT $3 MILLION MARK.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WHERE I'M TRYING TO SHOW THAT.

YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE PEOPLE EMPTY NESTING THAT'S BEEN THROUGH HERE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SCHOOL SYSTEM WITH THEIR KIDS.

THEIR KIDS MOVE AWAY.

THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO GO.

AND I THINK FROM IF YOU TAKE A TALLY OF THE ENTIRE 34,000 CITIZENS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT MORE THAN A FEW, YOU KNOW, 20 OR 30 OPPOSING PEOPLE THAT SAY, THIS IS A GREAT PRODUCT AND BE GREAT TO STAY IN SOUTHLAKE WE'RE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE EITHER STAY IN THEIR HOME OR THEY HAVE TO LEAVE BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE FOR THEM TO GO.

I KNOW, BUT IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A TRAILER PARK HERE, PEOPLE WOULD MOVE IN, THERE'S NO DOUBT.

SO, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT HIGHER END TRAILER PARK.

YEAH. I MEAN, SO ANYWAY.

ALL RIGHT. OTHERS, ANYONE WANT TO JUMP IN? I MEAN, I, GINA, DO YOU WANT TO JUMP IN AND OR I'LL JUMP IN.

WELL, I MEAN, I THINK OVERALL MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS PROBABLY IN LINE WITH COMMISSIONER GUNTER IN THAT I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO KIND OF GET THE HIGHEST DENSITY IN BOTH USES.

I MEAN, YOU SAID YOU'VE DEVELOPED A NEW HERE.

I DON'T KNOW, YOU DO MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL, I THINK, BUT IS 26,000FT² TYPICAL OF WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER A GARDEN OFFICE? BECAUSE AS AN APPRAISER, I DON'T USUALLY CONSIDER SOMETHING THAT LARGE.

GARDEN OFFICE.

YEAH. I MEAN, THE DISTINCTION IS NOT DEFINED.

SO, IN OUR WORLD THAT FROM THE AMOUNT OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE ON THAT CORNER OF MAIN AND MAIN AND IN FRONT OF TOWN SQUARE, IT JUST, IT WOULD WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE TENANTS THAT WILL BE VERY INTERESTED TO BE IN THERE.

IT'S A PRETTY BUILDING. IT'S A STAPLE.

IT'S GOING TO LOOK GOOD IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE MY OFFICE OVER THERE, WHICH I TAKE FIVE OF THAT 25,000, 26,000FT².

BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T SEE IT BEING ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.

IT'S ACROSS THE STREET, DESIGNATED AS GARDEN OFFICE, I WONDER.

IT'S NOT OKAY.

THAT RIGHT THERE IS.

YEAH. THERE. IT'S.

THERE IS A TWO STORY ON THE CORNER.

OF COURSE, DEL FRISCO'S SO IT'S KIND OF FROM THAT REGARD MATCHES THAT.

I GUESS I'LL JUMP IN IF EVERYBODY ELSE GOOD REAL QUICK.

THESE ARE JUST IN ANY ORDER, I GUESS.

MAYBE FIRST ONE, THE ACCESS OFF CARROLL THAT NORTHERN ENTRY POINT.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE KIND OF ASKING SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC.

TO MAKE SOMETHING GREATER THAN A 90-DEGREE TURN.

COMING DOWNHILL, OR ELSE THEY HIT A CAR EXITING IT.

I GUESS I WOULD THINK.

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WOULD THAT BE FAIR TO.

TO SUGGEST. YEAH.

ONE OF THE ISSUES IS RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S A EVIDENTLY A ELECTRIC POLE THAT SERVICES ALL OF TOWN SQUARE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THERE IS.

AND SO, WE TRIED TO MAKE THAT YOU KNOW, MISS THAT AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.

WE CAN LOOK AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.

AND ALSO IN THAT VEIN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PARKING SPOTS KIND OF ALONG THE INITIAL STACKING THROAT OF BOTH ACCESS POINTS.

I MEAN, I WOULD THINK ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST HAVE, I MEAN, SOME OF THE, I GUESS THAT'S LIKE 5 OR 6 PARKING SPOTS THERE ON THE NORTH KIND OF ALONG THAT DRIVE LANE AND ON THE SOUTHERN PART.

I'M NOT SURE HOW CLOSE SOME OF THOSE PARKING SPOTS ARE TO THE STACKING DEPTH THERE, BUT I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY TRYING TO MAXIMIZE PARKING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME.

PEOPLE ARE PULLING IN AND OUT OF THERE.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE CARS BACKING UP, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.

YEAH. THE TYPICAL STACKING DEPTH OF 50FT IS, IS MET IN THE NORTH.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT IN THE SOUTH.

WE COULD PROBABLY TAKE OFF ONE PARKING SPOT AND MEET.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LOOK AT.

I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE ALL YOU KNOW, JUST IN THE INTERSECTION JUST TO THE NORTH OF HERE TURNED INTO TOWN SQUARE.

WHEN SOMEBODY'S BACKING OUT OF ONE OF THOSE SPOTS, IT'S ABOUT 30, 40FT IN AND IT TURNS INTO A BIG MESS AND BACKS OUT ON THE CARROLL.

SO, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHILE THE TEXTBOOK MAY SAY 50FT, I WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

ANOTHER ONE. AND YOU KNOW, CURTIS, I ASKED THIS AT THE CORRIDOR MEETING IF YOU WERE TO DO THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY 4 TO 1 SLOPE FROM THE FROM THE BUILDING TO THE CLOSEST RESIDENT, WHERE WOULD LIKE HOW MUCH WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID A SLIDE ON THAT OR AND MAYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN THIS.

EXPLAIN THIS. THIS IS SECTION THROUGH THE BUILDING.

LOOKING WEST HERE WOULD BE OUR NORTH PROPERTY LINE.

HERE WOULD BE OUR SOUTH PROPERTY LINE HERE.

THIS IS THE TWO-STORY OFFICE BUILDING.

AND THIS IS THE 4 TO 1 SLOPE.

THIS IS THE ONE STORY.

AFTER 40FT, YOU GET ONE STORY THAT YOU COULD PUT A BUILDING IN HERE.

SO, THIS IS THE 4 TO 1 SLOPE HERE.

AND YES, IT DOES CLIP THE CORNERS.

BUT IF YOU HAD A ONE STORY BUILDING HERE AND THE ANGLE OF THAT WOULD PROBABLY MISS THE BUILDING.

SO, I THINK THIS ADDRESSES YOUR QUESTION.

CAN YOU BETTER EXPLAIN THAT? I GUESS TO ME, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW THE, EXPLAIN THE ONE-STORY PART AGAIN, I GUESS.

WITH IT. YOU CAN PUT A ONE STORY.

OKAY BUILDING WITHIN WITH THAT KIND OF SETBACK.

OKAY. WITH A 40-FOOT SETBACK.

OKAY. AND THEN SO THAT'S KIND OF AN EXCEPTION, IF YOU WILL, TO THE 4 TO 1 SLOPE.

SO, THIS ALTHOUGH THIS AREA WOULD BE ABOVE A ONE-STORY BUILDING.

RIGHT. OKAY.

AND DO THAT. BUT SO ANYWAY THIS IS THE 4 TO 1 SLOPE FROM THE NORTH.

AND THIS IS THE 4 TO 1 SLOPE FROM THE SOUTH.

OKAY. AND BUT FOR THE TWO STORY THAT WOULD CLIP IT AND THEORETICALLY KIND OF NEED A VARIANCE WITHIN A NORMAL SITE PLAN.

YES. OKAY.

AND THEN JUST MAYBE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICE COMPONENT IN GENERAL AND MAYBE RIFFING OFF A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS SAID.

I MEAN, MY. I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET MY ARMS AROUND IS YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE LANDOWNER HERE IS ALSO THE LANDOWNER TO THE SOUTH ALONG 1709. THE LAND USE SITE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS RECOMMENDS IF A GARDEN OFFICE BUILDING IS UTILIZED, THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE SOUTH.

IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE LANDOWNER HERE DIDN'T HAVE CONTROL OVER, I GUESS I'D BE MORE SYMPATHETIC.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DO HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT.

AND I GUESS WHEN WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC TONIGHT FOR THE EXCUSE NOT TO DO THAT, TO BE TRAFFIC.

IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO RECONCILE.

YEAH. THIS IS NOT A POPULAR VOTE, BUT THERE IS A SECOND POINT OF ACCESS TO THE DEVELOPMENT, AND IT'S A DEAD-END ROAD THAT CROSS LANE THAT DIES INTO THE APARTMENT TO THE SUBDIVISION.

IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD. I MEAN, WHAT SHYING AWAY FROM THAT, THAT FACT IS, IS ALSO PART OF THE REASON WHY THE LANDOWNER IS, IS KIND OF.

HAS HIS POINT THAT WHY ARE WE NOT STUBBING OUT FROM CROSS LANE? AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT VERY POPULAR AND WE NEVER INTENDED TO EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT.

BUT THAT IS A STUBBED ROAD.

AND THERE'S A REASON WHY IT'S STUBBED.

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SO, IT'S I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY PART IS THAT WE KEEP AVOIDING THE FACT THAT IT IS A DEAD-END ROAD WITH A BARRICADE ON IT.

YEAH. I THINK, I MEAN, I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ALL ACKNOWLEDGING THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN RIGHT NOW, CARROLL'S, YOU KNOW, NOT GREAT.

YEAH. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TEXAS, THERE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS.

THIS HAS THIS OWNER HAS REASONABLE RIGHTS TO DEVELOP, BUT IT'LL IMPACT IT SOMEHOW.

IT'S TO WHAT DEGREE.

AND UNDER THIS CONFIGURATION, I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, EITHER THE HOODED LEFT TURN OR THERE'S GOING TO BE U-TURNS OR, YOU KNOW, BUT IF YOU WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE ANOTHER ACCESS POINT TO THE SOUTH, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT WOULD HELP MAKE THE IMPACT TO CARROLL A LITTLE LESS.

YEAH, I DON'T DISAGREE.

IS THAT NOT ADEQUATE TO HAVE A ROAD THAT GOES OUT TO THE SOUTH OF 79 BECAUSE THAT DOES GO ACROSS LANE DOES GO TO 1709? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK WE'LL GET PUBLIC HEARING WILL WEIGH IN ON THAT.

WELL, I'M SURE IT WILL. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

I LIKE WHAT WE HAVE. I KNOW IT'S SECURE I AGREE.

AND AGAIN. AGAIN, IF THERE WERE SEPARATE OWNERS AND THERE WASN'T CONTROL.

YEAH. FOR THAT I WOULD KIND OF BE ABLE TO GET MY ARMS AROUND THAT A LITTLE EASIER.

BUT AGAIN, WHEN THE I MEAN, I'M JUST READING WHAT THE LAND USE SITE SPECIFIC SAYS, I'M JUST I DIDN'T WRITE IT, JUST READING IT.

SO, I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO PROCESS ALL THAT.

AND THEN LASTLY, I GUESS, I MEAN, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THIS BEING ADJACENT TO TOWN SQUARE.

TOWN SQUARE OBVIOUSLY HAS A LOT OF DENSITY.

AND I THINK OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'LL BE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.

I MEAN, I GUESS I'D BE OPEN, LIKE COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS SAID.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE 28 LOTS OR SOMETHING LESS, BUT I GET WHY IT'S PROPOSED AGAINST TOWN SQUARE.

BUT I GUESS, ARE THERE ANY JUST STATS, ROUGH SQUARE FOOTAGES FOR THE HOMES AND YES, ESTIMATED RANGE OF SALE PRICE OR.

YEAH. SO, WE'RE RUNNING TRYING TO GET THIS PRICE POINT AT 1.8 STARTING.

SQUARE FOOTAGE IS STARTING AT 3000 UP TO 5000 SQUARE FEET.

THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE FIRE SUPPRESSED.

SO, FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT OR SAFETY STANDPOINT, WE FELT LIKE THAT WOULD BE A GUARANTEE WE WOULD MAKE THAT A RULE.

ANY TWO STORY, ALL WOULD BE TWO STORY, BUT ALL WOULD HAVE AN ELEVATOR ACCESS BUILT INTO THE HOUSE, AND I GUESS THAT'S THEIR ALL-TUSCAN STYLE KIND OF INSPIRED THAT MODERN IN NATURE OF JUST THE FACT BIG WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL GLASS, A LOT OF GLASS, BUT STILL CARRYING OVER A LITTLE BIT OF, OF TRADITIONAL OUTLOOK LIKE TOWN SQUARES GOT.

OKAY, I MIGHT ADD THAT THE 3000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM IS WRITTEN INTO OUR DESIGN REGULATIONS.

OKAY. AND THEN LASTLY, I THINK STAFF CAN KIND OF WEIGH IN ON THIS, BUT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, US BEING UP HERE, WE'VE SEEN THESE EMERGENCY ACCESS GATES, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF TIMES UP HERE I KNOW WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF THEM IN TOWN.

AND I MEAN STAFF CAN, I THINK CAN CONFIRM THAT RARELY ARE THEY OPENED.

I MEAN, UNLESS THERE'S UNFORTUNATELY AN EMERGENCY AND THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN OPENED.

I MEAN, IS THAT ALL FAIR STAFF TO BE ACCURATE.

WE DO HAVE THESE. THEY ARE RARELY, IF EVER, OPENED.

OKAY. OKAY. GO AHEAD.

CURTIS, WILL YOU PUT BACK UP THE AERIAL? I THINK YOU HAD AN AERIAL IN YOUR PRESENTATION, DIDN'T YOU? AND THEN KIND OF QUICKLY.

YEAH. HIT ON THE COMMON OWNERSHIP ISSUE.

I DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE.

AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT KIND OF CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF COMMON OWNERSHIP.

DOCTOR MENDEZ, THESE ARE HIS TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS HERE.

HE ALSO OWNS THIS KIND OF L SHAPED PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.

HE DOES NOT OWN EITHER OF THESE, AND HE DOES NOT OWN THIS LARGE TRACT HERE.

EXACTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE SITE SPECIFIC REQ IS TO TIE INTO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT RIGHT THERE.

TOWER. YEAH.

THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, THOUGH, OF COURSE, GOES THROUGH THIS PARKING LOT.

YES. AND IF WE WERE TO BRING SOMETHING DOWN HERE, WE WOULDN'T BE ACCESSING THE TRAFFIC LIGHT NECESSARILY.

OTHER QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONERS. OKAY.

CAN I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO THE RECORD, JUST TO HAVE IT? THERE'S. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MASONRY WALL THAT SURROUNDS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

IT'S GOING TO BE AN EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY WALL.

IT WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.

AND THAT'LL BE WRITTEN UP IN OUR DOCUMENTS AS WELL.

SO, IF THERE'S ANY CONCERN THAT NEIGHBORS MIGHT HAVE OF THAT WALL NOT BEING MAINTAINED, IT WILL BE IN THE IN THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS FOR THE HOA TO MAINTAIN ANY, ANY REPAIRS TO THAT WALL THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE WALL.

THIS IS THE WALL FENCE DIAGRAM.

AND THE GREEN AREA IS AN EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY WALL.

SO EVERYWHERE WHERE WE'RE NEXT TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE PROPOSING THE EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY WALL.

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THE OFFICE BUILDINGS. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. OTHER LAST QUESTION.

YEAH. REAL QUICK.

CHAIRMAN KUBIAK BROUGHT UP THE PROXIMITY SLOPE.

BUT JUST TO KIND OF GET DOWN TO WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

CAN YOU SEE INTO THE BACKYARDS OF THESE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH? I'LL SPEAK TO THE RESIDENTIAL PART.

THE ARCHITECT'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT THE RESIDENTIAL PART.

WE'RE ALSO NOT PUTTING WINDOWS IN THE BACK OF ANY OF THE VILLAS.

SO, THERE WILL BE NO OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK INTO ANYBODY'S BACKYARD FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

SO, THE COMMERCIAL PIECE I MEAN, YOU'RE 100.

AND WHAT DO YOU SAY? YOU'RE 78FT.

AND, OF COURSE, THERE'LL BE A EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY WALL RIGHT IN HERE.

I WOULD FIND IT VERY CHALLENGING TO GET A GOOD VISIBLE FROM A DISTANCE AND SIGHT LINE PERSPECTIVE.

YEAH, BECAUSE I LIKE THE OFFICE BUILDING AND I LIKE IT'S KIND OF A JEWEL BOX.

AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO PRESENT, WELL, KIND OF ON THAT HILL.

AN IMPROVEMENT FROM SOME OF THE GARDEN OFFICE THAT WE SEE.

IT'S INSPIRED BY THE WINDOWS ARE INSPIRED AND THE DESIGNED BY FORT WORTH DOWNTOWN HISTORIC FORT WORTH AT THE WINDOWS AND THE GRIDDED WINDOWS.

SO, I THINK IT'S AN ELEMENT SOUTHLAKE COULD BE PROUD OF.

AND YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE, AND EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES IT'S IN SOUTHLAKE.

SO YEAH, THE DESIGN IS HOPEFULLY MODERN TO TODAY'S TERMS, BUT STILL GOT A TRADITIONAL FEEL TO IT.

AND I GUESS MAYBE, MAYBE JUST BUILDING ONTO THAT REAL QUICKLY IF THAT'S OKAY.

I GUESS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DO LIKE THE QUALITY OF THE BUILDING.

I LIKE THAT IT'S DIFFERENTIATED FROM SOME OF THE, JUST HONESTLY, JUST THE MORE COMMODITY GARDEN OFFICE PRODUCT WE'VE SEEN.

SO, I ACTUALLY LIKE THAT.

BUT WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO KIND OF ON THAT NORTHERN PERIMETER? MAYBE IT, IT ISN'T TWO STORY IMMEDIATELY AT THAT SPOT AND MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 50FT OVER.

SO, I KNOW IT'S YOU'RE LOSING SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT LIKE, MOVE 50FT OVER AND KIND OF HAVE IT GO UP ONE STORY KIND OF CUT OVER AND THEN UP THE SECOND STORY.

AND MAYBE THAT'S AN OUTDOOR AMENITY DECK OR SOMETHING, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT IF CURTIS, IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR 4 TO 1 RATIO, SOMETHING THAT YEAH, SOMETHING THAT JUST MAYBE REMOVES A LITTLE BIT OF THAT SO THAT I MEAN, I AM SYMPATHETIC BECAUSE I KNOW IF I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT A HOME ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT FENCE AND I SAW THE GARDEN OFFICE DESIGNATION, I WOULDN'T HAVE PICTURED THIS KIND OF HANGING OVER MY FENCE, BUT I THINK MAYBE YOU CAN AT LEAST THE SECOND STORY PORTION PUSH THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT.

THEN MAYBE YOU CAN GET TO SOMETHING THAT THAT'S YOUR POINT ABOUT THE ONE STORY.

YOU KNOW IT. IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S HANGING OVER THE FENCE QUITE AS MUCH.

THAT OR SOME DENSITY OF TREES OR.

YEAH, WELL, I'D SAY IN ADDITION TO I WOULDN'T SAY IN LIEU OF I WAS GOING TO MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE HAVE A BUFFER YARD ALONG HERE THAT REQUIRES QUITE A BIT OF LANDSCAPING ALONG THERE.

SO, IN ADDITION TO THAT EIGHT-FOOT WALL THERE, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF LANDSCAPING THERE.

WE COULD ESSENTIALLY MAKE IT INVISIBLE WITH LANDSCAPING OVER TIME.

YEAH. AND WE DO HAVE I MEAN, THE NEIGHBORS, I DID, I'VE DONE SOME WORK TALKING TO A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS.

AND THE DIRECT AFFECTED NEIGHBORS ARE NOT IN ANY KIND OF DISAGREEMENT.

BUT AGAIN, I TOTALLY AGREE. I'LL LOOK AT ANYTHING TO MAKE IT WORK AND FILL THAT BUCKET FOR SURE, BECAUSE I THINK I'M NOT OPPOSING TO MAKE A CHANGE THERE.

YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT QUITE CALLS OR PERMITS SECOND STORY, BUT I DON'T THINK IT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T EITHER.

I MEAN, IT OBVIOUSLY LOOKS NICE, BUT IT FEELS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE A MIDDLE GROUND ANSWER THERE TO WHERE YOU CAN MOVE AT LEAST THE SECOND STORY PART A LITTLE BIT OFF MORE, WHERE IT'S A LITTLE LESS OBTRUSIVE, AND MAYBE YOU REACH A HAPPY MEDIUM AND IT COULD BE AMENITY AREA OR WHATEVER.

YES. YES SIR. SOUNDS GOOD BUT GO AHEAD.

SORRY. NO AND EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE THIS IS MY FIRST EXPOSURE TO THIS.

I KNOW THERE'S BEEN PREVIOUS GATHERINGS AND MAYBE EVEN BEFORE HERE, AND I WAS ABSENT LAST TIME.

SO SORRY IF I'M ASKING QUESTIONS THAT EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS.

SOMETHING WAS JUST SAID ABOUT THE OFFICE BUILDING BEING ON THE HILL, BUT ON THIS RENDITION THAT'S UP NOW, EVERYTHING LOOKS FLAT.

SO, I THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A LOT OF DIRT WORK TO FLATTEN IT.

SO NO, MA'AM, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP TO TOPOGRAPHY.

YEAH. THERE WILL BE AS YOU PULL IN WILL BE AN UPWARD PULL IN.

SO, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME GRAY GRADING.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WE'RE NOT TAKING ALL THAT DIRT TO BRING IT DOWN TO STREET LEVEL OKAY.

AND THEN THAT KIND OF REMINDED ME OF ANOTHER QUESTION.

AND MAYBE I'M ASKING SOMETHING TOO FAR IN THE FUTURE YOU'RE JUST WORRYING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

IS THERE A PLAN PHASE FOR CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE LARGE TRUCKS AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON.

SO, HAVE YOU, DO YOU KIND OF HAVE A PLAN ALREADY SET OUT? YOU KNOW THE PLAN, IF WE HAD TO DO IT TODAY, WOULD BE TO PUT THE MASONRY WALL IN FIRST.

AND THAT WOULD HELP WITH SUPPORT WITH THE NOW THE NOISE, THE VISIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN WE WOULD DO ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURES RELYING ESSENTIALLY OFF THE SAME STUFF.

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NOW, WE DO PLAN ON BUILDING THE WAY THAT WE FEEL LIKE THE MARKET'S GOING AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUT, AS THEY CALL THEM, SPEC HOMES OR HOMES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR IMMEDIATE PURCHASING. WE'D PROBABLY JUST BUILD ALL THESE OUT ALL AT ONE TIME.

SO, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THIS PROLONGED EMPTY LOT SITTING THERE FOR WHATEVER.

SO, WE'RE OUR GOAL IS TO BUILD THEM ALL OUT AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

SO, IT'S DONE. AND FROM A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE SO WE CAN GET CREATIVE.

AND CREATE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THAT NEXT TIME OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU GUYS SOME KIND OF ANSWER ON THAT.

BUT THAT'S HOW I'D SEE IT.

ALL OF IT DONE AT ONCE. GET IT DONE, GET IT OVER WITH.

AND HOPEFULLY JUST A FEW YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION.

I DIDN'T WANT TO. I FORGOT TO NOTE.

THANK YOU. I THINK YOU AFTER CORRIDOR MEETING INCLUDED THE CROSS-ACCESS EASEMENT THERE TO THE SOUTH.

IF I'M NOT SURE THAT YES, WE'VE ADDED IT.

I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL. RIGHT.

TRYING TO THINK THROUGH THE NEXT STEP OF WHEN THAT NEXT TRACK IS DEVELOPED.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE I THINK STAFF IS RESEARCHING AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THIS CAN BE SOMETHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS MEETING CAN BE CONFIRMED THAT THERE IS POTENTIALLY TO THAT TRACK CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT FROM THE SOUTH AS WELL, WHICH WOULD HOPEFULLY TRYING TO THINK FORWARD, PREVENT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER CURB CUT INTO CARROLL THERE FOR THAT TRACK WHEN IT ULTIMATELY ONE DAY GETS REDEVELOPED BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO THINK SOLVE TOMORROW'S PROBLEMS TODAY IF POSSIBLE.

SO, THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THAT.

DID YOU HAVE. YES. ONE OTHER THING.

BACK ON THE PROPERTY THAT DR.

MENDEZ OWNS THAT'S TO THE EAST THERE.

SO, THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE THAT IS AT THE BACK OF THE PARKING LOT.

RIGHT. AND WELL IN THERE.

WELL, THERE'S ONE UP HERE, TOO, THAT OCCURS.

SO THAT ONE IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE DEMOED.

YEAH. BUT THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW HOUSE.

THE ONE THAT IS THAT'S IN THE DRIVEWAY CUTS OFF THE CORNER RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S A RELATIVELY NEW HOUSE ISN'T IT.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AGE OF THE HOUSE.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN RECENTLY REMODELED.

I JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS BUILT.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS, DOESN'T THAT PRETTY MUCH KNOCK OUT THAT FOR BEING A WAY TO GAIN ACCESS IN OR OUT BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT HOUSE BEING THERE, HE WOULD SAY SO, YES.

AND HIS PLAN IS TO UTILIZE THAT HOUSE FOR SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE.

SO, WE'RE BACK TO ITS EITHER GO OUT CROSS LANE OR GO THROUGH THE BACK OF THE PARKING LOT.

IF YOU PUT IN A SECOND ENTRANCE.

YES. OKAY.

THANKS. I HAVE A QUESTION ON PARCEL 17.

IT'S KIND OF SPECIFIC, BUT AM I READING THAT RIGHT? IT'S ABOUT 21FT.

SETBACK TO THE PROPERTY LINE FOR PARCEL 17 FROM THE BUILDING LINE.

THE SIDE SETBACK THERE WOULD BE.

WE HAVE A TEN-FOOT BUFFER ALONG THERE.

LANDSCAPE BUFFER. PLUS, THAT'S THE SIX-FOOT SIDE.

OKAY. SO, IT'S EIGHT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A FOOT MORE THAN THE STANDARD SF 20 A SIDE SETBACK OKAY.

AND OKAY.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FOR NOW WE CAN ALWAYS CALL THEM BACK UP LATER.

WE NEED THEM. I THINK WE'RE GOOD, SIR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GUYS.

YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT MAYBE WE'D DO A LITTLE PRE PUBLIC HEARING DELIBERATION, BUT, I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN GET AT LEAST AN INITIAL SENSE OF SOME OF THE STRESS POINTS HERE.

SO, WE CAN PROBABLY JUST GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THAT'S GOOD WITH EVERYBODY.

OKAY. AND JUST AGAIN, A QUICK REMINDER FOR EVERYBODY THE WAY THIS WILL WORK.

PLEASE ADDRESS ALL YOUR COMMENTS UP TO US.

AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A Q&A FORMAT.

JUST KIND OF LET US KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW, NOTE THEM DOWN ACCORDINGLY.

AGAIN, PLEASE STAY TO THREE MINUTES TO BE CONSIDERATE OF EVERYBODY ELSE.

YOU'LL SEE THE LITTLE LIGHTS UP THERE GREEN, YELLOW.

AND THEN WHEN IT FLASHES RED, THAT'S WHEN WE'VE HIT THREE MINUTES.

AND WHAT I'LL DO IS I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY START WITH ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAPPENS TO BE THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER THAT I KNOW HAS AN URGENT KIND OF MEDICAL NEED TO GET BACK HOME. I WAS GOING TO LET THEM SPEAK FIRST, THEN I'M GOING TO READ PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS INTO THE RECORD FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT THEIR VIEWPOINT NOTED BUT DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SPEAK. THEN I'LL START CALLING SPEAKERS, SO EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN AS THEY DESIRE AS WE GO THROUGH HERE.

BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AND EIGHT, AND IF THAT'S OKAY, ASK JUERGEN STRUNCK TO GO AHEAD AND COME FORWARD.

AND WHENEVER EVERYBODY COMES FORWARD, PLEASE, EVEN IF I READ YOUR NAME UNFORTUNATELY, ONE OF THE TOUGHEST PARTS OF THIS JOB IS READING PEOPLE'S HANDWRITING AND NAMES, AND I WILL MISPRONOUNCE IT. SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD SO WE CAN GET IT.

AND THEN WE CAN KICK YOU OFF.

SO GO AHEAD. SIR. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

MY NAME IS JÜRGEN STRUNK AND I LIVE ON 200 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE.

I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 50 YEARS.

AND I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU AND ALL THE MEMBERS WHO ARE SITTING THERE THAT I'M WEARING A CAP WHEN I BROUGHT MY PAPER.

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TO THE SECOND FLOOR.

A GENTLEMAN CAME TO ME AND SHOOK MY HAND AND SAID, HOW, MR. STRONG? MR. STRONG, I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU FOR A LONG TIME.

I WORKED ON A.

THE IDEA OF HAVING AREAS THAT ARE ONLY USED FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE ON IT IN AN INDIVIDUAL WAY, AND ALL THE BUSINESS AND LARGE BUILDINGS, AND ESPECIALLY THE SECOND STOREY BUILDINGS WERE DESIGNED ALONGSIDE ONE, 14 AND ALONGSIDE 17 AND A NINE.

I DON'T WANT TO NEED TO HAVE TO GO AND TELL YOU WHAT'S ON MY PAPER BECAUSE YOU HAVE THEM ALL.

BUT I AM.

AFTER HAVING WORKED ON THE IDEA OF HAVING THE FUTURE LAND PLAN FOR SOUTHLAKE DETERMINE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. THAT'S BASICALLY THE IDEA OF THAT, AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY EXPLANATION THAT I ACCEPT THAT SAYS YOU CAN GO AND PUT A TWO-STORY BUILDING ON CARROLL AVENUE WHILE ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON CARROLL AVENUE FROM 114 TO 7 TO NINE ARE SINGLE STORY.

THEY ARE PERSONAL.

THEY HAVE A LANDSCAPING ARRANGED.

AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU EITHER DRIVE OR WALK FROM CARROLL AVENUE ALL THE WAY TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND YOU'LL FIND THAT ALL THE BUILDINGS HAVE SPACE, HAVE TREES, HAVE LANDSCAPING, THAT THEY'RE DETERMINED THAT THEY COULD USE THAT BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO BE AFRAID THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A TWO STORY BUILDING FOR PEOPLE IN THAT BUILDING AND GO OVER AND LOOK INTO YOUR OWN PROPERTY.

SO, I AM ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED.

AND THAT'S MY, YOU KNOW, LACK OF THREE MINUTES.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO AHEAD AND ASK ME.

OKAY. NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND WE DID GET YOUR LETTER.

SO, WE'VE GOT YOUR FEEDBACK.

SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING.

THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO BE EARLY IS THERE'S A WIFE AT HOME WAITING FOR ME.

SHE'S BLIND.

SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY TASTE ANYMORE.

SHE CAN'T HEAR.

SHE HAS HEART PROBLEMS. SO, I AM THE ONE WHO TAKES CARE OF HER.

AND SO, IF YOU WOULD LIMIT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM, DO WE WANT TO, OR I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

NO, I THINK I THINK WE'RE ALL GOOD, BUT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SUBMITTING YOUR COMMENTS AND WRITING AND COMING OUT TONIGHT.

WE WANTED TO CALL YOU FIRST SO THAT YOU COULD GET BACK HOME IF, IF THAT WAS HELPFUL TO YOU.

SO, THANK YOU. DIRECTOR INSISTED I HAVE TO WEAR THIS BECAUSE I DID ALL THE TIME THAT I TALKED TO HIM FIRST.

NO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT.

OKAY, NOW I WILL READ THE COMMENT CARDS INTO THE RECORD FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE HERE THIS EVENING.

BUT DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT WANT THEIR POSITIONS NOTED IN THE RECORD.

AND AGAIN, I WILL PRE APOLOGIZE FOR MY PRONUNCIATIONS OF THE NAMES.

A LOT OF MY FRIENDS HERE IN TOWN, THEIR FAVORITE PART OF THE MEETING TO TUNE INTO AND I HEAR ABOUT IT LATER.

SO, APOLOGIES.

WE HAVE CATHERINE VOLLMER HERE AT 711 MOULTON LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT.

WE HAVE I THINK IT'S JULIE WALTER AT 612 PARK PLACE.

DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK.

DID NOT NOTE SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE JULIE HERE.

DON' APPROVE.

OKAY. APPROVE. SO SUPPORTS THE PROJECT.

OKAY, OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE READ IT IN THE RIGHT STATE.

OKAY? OKAY.

WE HAVE ANN DAVIS HERE AT 308 FOXBORO.

THAT I GUESS SHE DOES WISH TO SPEAK.

IS THAT CORRECT? DID I GET THIS WRONG? WHICH IS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, OR DO YOU WANT JUST NOTED IN OPPOSITION? OKAY, WE'LL JUST NOTE THAT OPPOSITION AND YOU CAN ALWAYS COME FORWARD LATER.

AGAIN, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO GREG.

RAJINI BAYANI.

I'M SORRY.

THE HANDWRITING IS A LITTLE TOUGH HERE.

304 FOXBORO LANE.

I BELIEVE 309 OR 304 DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROJECT.

BARTON DAVIS AT 308 FOXBORO LANE.

WISHES TO NOTE HIS OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT.

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ANGELA MENDEZ, I BELIEVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

WELL, GOSH, I CAN'T READ THAT FIRST LETTER.

RAM, I THINK 308 CROSS LANE PAIN.

SORRY. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT.

REGENT OR SORRY, ROBERT.

CAN'T READ THAT. I'M SORRY. 1340 WOODBROOK COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION.

AARON SHOPE 309 FOXBORO LANE.

DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION.

GEORGE GIBSON, 300 FOXBORO LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN STRONG OPPOSITION.

MELISSA RODRIGUEZ, 918 EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

LEO RODRIGUEZ 918 EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

FELIPA RAMIREZ, 1050 EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

WENDY SIMON, 500 BENTWOOD LANE.

DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT.

AMBER BUTCHER 129 WILFORD LANE.

DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT.

JESSICA HARWOOD AT 800 CROSS LANE.

WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OR SPEAK IS ALL IT SAYS.

SORRY, BUT YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND COME FORWARD.

SORRY. I'M TRYING TO GET ALL THESE DONE RIGHT.

SUSAN COHEN, 725 BRENTWOOD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT.

AND LEANNE JEFFRIES, 300 GREEN OAKS LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

AND THEN LASTLY CHAD PATTON, 1111 LA PALOMA COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

OKAY, SO NOW I'VE TRIED TO READ INTO THE RECORD THE CARDS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO NOTE THEIR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION IN THE RECORD, BUT NOT SPEAK.

SO NOW WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL CARDS THAT WE GOT FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK.

SO I'LL START CALLING THOSE AFTER I CALL THOSE, IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE IN ADDITION WHO HASN'T SPOKEN, THEY CAN COME FORWARD AND SPEAK.

YOU CAN'T SPEAK FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.

IT'S JUST THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.

WE'VE HAD THAT CLARIFIED IN PAST MEETINGS.

AND AGAIN, PLEASE READ YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU COME FORWARD INTO THE MICROPHONE.

AND PLEASE STICK TO THE THREE MINUTES.

APPRECIATE THAT HAPPENING WITH OUR FIRST SPEAKER.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS DAVID LEE.

575 SOUTH BEND TRAIL.

THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ITEM.

GOOD EVENING, I'M DAVID LEE.

I LIVE AT 575 SOUTH BEND TRAIL, WHICH IS IN SOUTH VIEW.

MY BIGGEST CONCERNS ON THIS PROJECT HAVE TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC AT CARROLL.

WHEN YOU PUT THAT LEFT TURN LANE IN, GOING NORTH ON CARROLL TO TURN INTO THE NEW PROPERTY.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE WHEN THE TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP FROM NORTH.

GOING SOUTH ON CARROLL, IT'S ALREADY PRETTY BAD.

I MEAN, IT BACKS UP ALL THE WAY UP TO OMB.

ON COMING SOUTHBOUND ON CARROLL.

IT BACKS UP.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE BAD.

TRYING TO GET OUT OF THERE.

TURNING RIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO DO A U-TURN AT CARROLL AND SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

IT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE.

NOT ONLY THAT, BUT YOU GOT THE FIRE STATION RIGHT UP THE ROAD FROM THEM.

AND WHEN THAT FIRE STATION EMPTIES OUT, WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AND IT DOES EMPTY OUT REGULARLY, YOU GOT THE LADDER TRUCK, THE AMBULANCE AND ALL THE OTHER SUPPORT VEHICLES, PLUS THE POLICE.

AND IF THAT'S ALL JACKED UP BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC, I MEAN, NOW WE GOT COMMUNITY ISSUES WITH EMERGENCY.

THE PROBLEM WITH GETTING SOUTH OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION THROUGH THE PROPERTY.

DOCTOR MENDEZ OWNS.

IT'S EASY. CHECKBOOK.

OPEN IT. DO IT.

MOVE ON. THE PUTTING THE SIDEWALK IN, GOING NORTHBOUND TOWARDS THE CROSSWALK IN CARROLL.

IT WAS IT'S THE PROPERTIES THAT ABUT CARROLL ARE PROPERTIES ON OMB COURT.

IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE PROPERTY OWNERS LINE RUNS ALMOST TO THE EDGE OF CARROLL.

THERE IS NO EASEMENT.

THEY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT CLOSELY, BECAUSE WHEN CARROLL WAS EXPANDED, IT SUCKED UP SOME OF THAT PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY FOR SIDEWALK.

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AND THIS IS GOING FROM MY RECOLLECTION OF BEING IN THAT SUBDIVISION FOR, YOU KNOW, 20 PLUS YEARS.

SO BUT THE ACCESS IS IS MY BIG, BIG CONCERN.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.

NEXT. SPEAKER, MATTHEW TROXEL, 707 MOULTON LANE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS MATTHEW TROXELL, 707 MOULTON LANE IN SOUTHLAKE.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU TONIGHT.

I'M REPRESENTING THE INTERESTS OF MY FAMILY AND ON A LARGER SCALE, THE HOA BOARD OF FOXBOROUGH.

I'M THE TREASURER OF THE HOA.

OUR HOA PRESIDENT, JESSICA ADCOCK, WHO HAD BEEN HEAVILY ENGAGED IN THIS ISSUE AND HAS HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPERS, IS UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT'S MEETING DUE TO AN OUT OF TOWN COMMITMENT.

THEREFORE, I WILL BE REPRESENTING OUR HOA'S INTERESTS.

WHILE MR. FRANKS HAS PRESENTED HIS PROPOSAL TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAD MULTIPLE FOLLOW UP DISCUSSIONS WITH US REGARDING IT, THE FOXBORO HOA HAS NEVER GIVEN OUR SUPPORT TO THIS PLAN.

IN FACT, FROM THE BEGINNING, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS EXPRESSED OUR CONCERNS REGARDING THE HIGH DENSITY TRAFFIC IMPACT AND LACK OF ACCESS TO 1709, THE ONLY CONCESSION THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE TO THE NEIGHBORS OF FOXBORO THUS FAR IS TO PROVIDE A MINI TURNAROUND AT THE END OF CROSS LANE TO HELP DEAL WITH OUR DEAD END ISSUE.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE DEVELOPER THAT IF WE DON'T SUPPORT THE CURRENT PLAN, HE WILL INSTEAD EXTEND CROSS LANE BY ADDING AT LEAST 14 MORE HOMES AND SUBJECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO A 2 TO 3 YEARS OF UNRELENTING CONSTRUCTION, TRAFFIC AND NOISE.

WHILE THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT EITHER, WE BELIEVE THERE MUST BE A BETTER MIDDLE GROUND THAT ALLOWS THIS LAND TO BE DEVELOPED WITH MUCH LESS DENSITY THAN HE IS PROPOSING, WHILE STILL RESPECTING EXISTING NEIGHBORS.

THAT COULD MEAN EXTENDING CROSS LANES SLIGHTLY, WITH ONLY 4 TO 6 ADDITIONAL HOMES, AND WELCOMING THOSE HOMES TO OUR HOA, OR CREATING TWO SEPARATE NEIGHBORHOODS BUT WITH SIMILAR DENSITY AND WITH THEIR OWN ENTRY AND EXIT POINTS.

WHILE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THIS LAND WILL LIKELY BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT AND WELCOMED THE POTENTIAL OF NEW NEIGHBORS, WE ASK THAT YOU UPHOLD THE SOUTHLAKE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND LIMIT THE BURDENS ON EXISTING NEIGHBORS IN THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

THEREFORE, PLEASE RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL DENY THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST IN THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AS IT STANDS.

AND NOW, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN REQUIRES ACCESS TO 1709.

THEIR PLAN DOESN'T HAVE IT.

THEY CLAIM THEY CAN'T GET IT BECAUSE OF A PARKING LOT, BUT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR COMMON EASEMENT ACCESS ON THE EAST SIDE OF NINE, TEN, 910 EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

I CAN SHOW YOU THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT.

IF HE HAS TO GIVE UP THOSE PARKING SPOTS, IT'S REQUIRED.

HE HAS TO DO IT.

IT'S BECAUSE HE WON'T GET THAT ACCESS TO 1709 THAT THEY WANT THE EMERGENCY GATE INTO FOXBORO.

TO BE CLEAR, FOXBORO DID NOT REQUEST THIS AND IS STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE USE OF CROSS LANE AS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT.

THEY NEED TO USE THE COMMON EASEMENT ACCESS THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOW, THANK YOU FOR STICKING TO THE TIME.

I'M RANDY BLAIR IS NEXT 850 ON B LANE, I BELIEVE.

WHICH IS TO SPEAK.

NOT SURE POSITION, BUT GUESSING.

WE'LL FIND OUT HERE IN A SECOND.

GOOD EVENING. I'M RANDY BLAIR.

I LIVE AT 850 ON B LANE.

AND IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

I THINK IT WILL BE AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY.

BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT CARROLL IS THE MOST UNPLEASANT PART OF SOUTHLAKE.

AND IF YOU LIVE ON ON BEE LANE, YOU HAVE TWO OR EXIT POINTS FOR CARROLL.

YOU GOT TO OWN, BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN.

AND TO DO A U TURN DOWN BY CAN'T REMEMBER THE STORE DOWN THERE.

IT USED TO BE CHARLIE AND CHARLIE'S OR SOMETHING.

YOU HAVE TO DO A U-TURN THERE WITH TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, AND THEY'RE WANTING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN, SO THERE'S NOTHING BUT CONFUSION THERE.

YOU HAVE THE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC AND THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THERE.

YOU HAVE A RED LIGHT AT FEDERAL WAY, WHICH IS A THREE WAY INTERSECTION.

YOU'VE GOT THE LIGHT DOWN AT THE FIRE STATION, WHICH I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO HAVE.

IF YOU TRY TO EXIT AT SOUTH CREST COURT TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN.

IT'S A DANGEROUS ISSUE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE STAINLESS STEEL BOXES THAT CONTROL THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS.

YOU CAN'T SEE OVER THAT.

YOU HAVE TREES, YOU HAVE TELEPHONE POLES, AND YOU HAVE STREET SIGNS.

IF THE AIR TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING SOUTHBOUND ON CARROLL IS DOING THE SPEED LIMIT OF 30 MILES AN HOUR, THAT'S 44FT PER SECOND, AND THERE'S BLIND SPOTS IN THERE.

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AND I FIND THAT AN UNACCEPTABLE ANSWER ON A SAFETY ISSUE.

YOU COULD LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.

ALSO, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING OUT AT MAIN STREET TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN ONTO CARROLL.

THAT'S ANOTHER NIGHTMARE THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH.

TRAFFIC IS MY ISSUE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MIKE WILSON, I BELIEVE COULD BE 809 CROSS LANE.

WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

HI. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I'M MIKE WATSON, 809 CROSS LANE.

SO WE LIVE AT THE HOUSE THAT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED EMERGENCY GATE ACCESS.

AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SUPPORT WHATSOEVER ON CROSS LANE AND NONE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IN FOXBORO FOR ANY SORT OF CONNECTION BETWEEN CROSS LANE AND THIS DEVELOPMENT OR SUBSEQUENTLY CARROLL AVENUE, WHICH IS IN VIOLATION OF THE LAND USE PLAN.

WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLY SPECIAL COMMUNITY ON CROSS LANE, THE STREET ITSELF.

IT ACTUALLY REMINDS ME A LOT OF MY OWN CHILDHOOD WHEN WE USED TO PLAY OUTSIDE A LOT.

A LOT OF KIDS THESE DAYS ARE VERY MUCH STUCK IN THEIR DEVICES.

THE KIDS ON OUR PLATE AND ON OUR STREET PLAY OUTSIDE.

WE HAVE AT LEAST 20 KIDS THAT LIVE ON CROSS LANE, AND THEY'RE PLAYING IN THE STREET IN THE FRONT YARDS, AND WE HAVE A VERY SAFE YOU KNOW, PIECE OF STREET THERE BECAUSE OF THE DEAD END. AND THERE ARE THERE ARE TEACHERS IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT TO KNOW ABOUT CROSS LANE.

THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL STREET THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN MOST PLACES.

ANY CONNECTION WOULD DESTROY THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY.

WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOME, THIS WAS ZONED AGRICULTURAL, AND WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT NO CHANGE IN ZONING OR DEVELOPMENT WOULD DAMAGE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. THERE CANNOT BE ACCESS FROM CARROLL AVENUE TO 1709 THROUGH OUR STREET.

THAT HAS REMAINED A PEACEFUL PLACE FOR OVER 25 YEARS.

THIS EMERGENCY GATE WAS PROPOSED BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO ACCESS TO 1709, AND THERE ACTUALLY ARE A COUPLE OPTIONS TO ADDRESS THIS.

SO THERE'S THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS, WHICH THEY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE UP A HANDFUL OF PARKING SPOTS, WHICH THEY SAID WAS EMERGENCY ACCESS GATES.

SO IT SHOULD NEVER BE OPEN.

THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.

THERE'S ALSO A COMMON EASEMENT THAT ALLOWS FUTURE ACCESS TO TOWER ROAD JUST TO THE EAST OF THAT PROPERTY.

BUT INSTEAD OF THESE OPTIONS, WE AS REGULAR HOMEOWNERS IN THE COMMUNITY ARE ASKED TO BEAR THIS BURDEN OF THIS CONNECTION IN THIS EMERGENCY ACCESS GATE.

THE GATE ITSELF IS ACTUALLY ONLY EMERGENCY ONLY BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS SAY IT IS.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF ANY LEGAL DEFINITIONS IN THE FIRE CODE.

SO IF AT ANY POINT THE RESIDENTS DECIDE THAT TRAFFIC IS GETTING TOO BAD, THE HOA COULD THEIR HOA COULD MOVE TO ACTUALLY MAKE THAT PERMANENTLY OPEN, AND THAT COULD HAPPEN.

SO IN ANY SORT OF HYPOTHETICAL APPROVAL, WE WE HAVE TO BE PROTECTED BY THE CITY THAT THIS GATE CAN NEVER BE PERMANENTLY OPENED.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE THE STONE WALL.

SO THE DEVELOPERS DID SAY THAT THEIR HOA IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF ALL THIS.

THIS IS A VERY EXPENSIVE STONE WALL.

THERE WAS NOTHING IN THEIR SUBMISSION MATERIALS THAT ACTUALLY STATES ANYTHING ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF THE STONE WALL.

AND EVEN IF THE NEW HOA TAKES RESPONSIBILITY, THAT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE.

WE ALSO HAVE TO BE PROTECTED BY THE CITY IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE COVENANTS CAN CHANGE AND THEY CAN DECIDE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUSH SOME OF THAT MAINTENANCE COST ONTO SOUTHVIEW AND FOXBORO.

SO WE NEED SOMETHING IF IF THIS GETS APPROVED, WE NEED SOMETHING TO PROTECT US IN THE CITY DOCUMENTS SO THAT WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS VERY EXPENSIVE STONE WALL. SO I JUST I REALLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.

AND THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN FOR US IS ANY SORT OF PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICULAR ACCESS BETWEEN CROSS LANE AND CARROLL AVENUE OR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. NEXT ONE IS JUNE WONG.

I THINK IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT, 808 GATES HOOD COURT, I'M SURE I'M MESSING THAT ALL UP, BUT HOPEFULLY I'LL GET CORRECTED HERE.

WHICH IS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION ON THIS ITEM.

YEAH. I'M JUNE WONG, I LIVE IN 808.

CASE HEAD QUARTER.

MY HOUSE IS VERY CLOSE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S IN THE CORNER. SO MY BIG CONCERN IS FIRST IS SAFETY.

WHEN YOU OPEN THE COURSE IN THAT EMERGENCY, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN.

ALSO, AS A COMMISSIONER ALREADY MENTIONED, THE BUFFER BUFFER AREAS IS TOO SMALL.

FOR THIS. ALSO MY BIG ANSWER.

MY HUSBAND AND I WERE MAYBE VERY BE RETIRED IN COUPLE YEARS, SO WE REALLY ENJOY OUR CURRENT QUIET AREA.

BUT IF YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA IS TOO, TOO SMALL, SO IT'S REALLY DISTURB US.

OUR LIFE HAS BEEN CHANGED.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT.

OKAY. NEXT SPEAKER IS VENKAT.

DO SUMIHIRI AT 305 FOXBOROUGH LANE WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

I DON'T SEE THEM, BUT BUT WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND NOTE THAT OPPOSITION AT THAT ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD.

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NAVINA. VEMULA PROBABLY SAYING THAT WRONG.

305 FOXBOROUGH LANE SAYS SHE WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

DON'T SEE HER, BUT WE'LL JUST NOTE THAT IN OPPOSITION AS WELL.

SO THOSE WERE ALL THE COMMENT CARDS THAT WE RECEIVED AHEAD OF TIME.

PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO COME UP AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM WITH THE SAME.

GO AHEAD, SIR WITH THE SAME STIPULATIONS, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND STICK TO THE THREE MINUTES AND APPRECIATE EVERYBODY HONORING THAT SO FAR TONIGHT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BOB. BOB DOUGHTY.

300 BINKLEY COURT.

I WOULD BE AT THE END OF BASICALLY THE PARKING LOT OF THE.

PROPOSED BUILDING STRUCTURE.

I HAVE PROBABLY THE MOST FRONTAGE TO THE.

PROJECT AS ANYONE BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF MY LOT.

BACK IN.

THE LATE 80S, EARLY 90S.

I WAS SITTING UP THERE WHERE YOU ARE.

AND WHEN FOXBORO WENT IN, THAT STREET WAS LEFT CUT.

THE CURBS WERE LEFT CUT DELIBERATELY IN CASE ANOTHER PROJECT CAME IN, SO THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF ACCESS OUT OF THERE AND INTO THE OTHER. SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED.

IF IT'S PUT UP WITH A GATE AND IT'S ONLY FOR EMERGENCY USE, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE THERE.

AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC ON SOUTH ON CARROLL, IT'S A PROBLEM.

SO ANOTHER EXIT OUT TO THE SOUTH WOULD HELP.

OKAY. NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

I'M SURE YOU MIGHT HAVE SERVED MAYBE WITH DOCTOR SPRINGER UP HERE WHO'S BEEN UP HERE 20 YEARS.

SO APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE ON THAT.

ANY OTHER PEOPLE? SURE. GO AHEAD. MA'AM.

DON'T. DON'T WORRY. WE'LL HOLD IT.

YOU CAN BE IN THE BULLPEN, SIR.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT YOU AS WELL.

SO GO AHEAD AND COME ON UP.

WE'LL TRY TO RUN IT AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE TO GET SPEAKERS GOING.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

YES. MY NAME IS JESSICA HARWOOD.

I, MY FAMILY AND I ARE RESIDENTS OF CROSS LANE, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED.

WE ARE AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT VIOLATES THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE FUTURE LAND AND USE PLAN.

AS RECENTLY ADOPTED, YOU KNOW, IN FEBRUARY OF 2023.

SO SPECIFICALLY, AS SOME OTHER FOLKS HAVE MENTIONED, IT DOES NOT PROVIDE THE CROSS BACK ACCESS TO 1709.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT DEVELOPERS WERE UNABLE TO PURCHASE LAND TO DO SO.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHILE THAT'S UNFORTUNATE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE BURDEN NOW FALLS TO US, YOU KNOW, AS THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO FIX THAT.

NUMBER TWO, IT DOES NOT RETAIN THE REQUIRED DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION PER THE SOUTHLAKE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

THIS LAND IS NOT TOWN SQUARE.

I MEAN, I REPEAT, IT'S NOT TOWN SQUARE.

AND THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

YOU KNOW, OUR HOMES SIT ON APPROXIMATELY HALF ACRE PER HOME.

SO AS SUCH, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT COHESIVE, AND IT'S NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE PLANNED NEIGHBORHOOD.

NUMBER THREE THE RESIDENTS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.

SOME. I THINK MIKE MADE THIS CLEAR EARLIER.

DO NOT WANT ANY TYPE OF GATE ACCESS ON CROSS LANE TO THE NEW PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

AND I JUST WANT TO REPEAT THAT WE DO NOT WANT ANY GATE ACCESS.

I THINK THEY HAD SAID SOMETHING OPPOSITE, BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

THE SOUTHLAKE FUTURE LAND AND USE PLAN MAKES IT CLEAR THAT FUTURE CONNECTION FROM CROSS LANE TO CARROLL IS NOT INTENDED.

I KNOW PEOPLE SAID WAY BACK IN THE 80S OR WHATEVER IT WAS, BUT THAT'S CHANGED.

OBVIOUSLY THAT'S CHANGED.

YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS HAVE COME IN THE MOST CURRENT PLAN SAYS THAT'S NOT INTENDED, AND IT'S NOT INTENDED BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING IN ALL OF US WHO HAVE COME IN AND THE WAY IT'S BEEN USED. IT ALSO AGAIN STATES THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS TO BE THE CROSS BACK TO 1709, WHICH IS NOT PROPOSED. WE'VE ALSO CONFIRMED WITH THE CITY FIRE MARSHAL THAT NO ACCESS IS REQUIRED ON CROSS LANE AND THAT IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY CLEARLY SUPPORTED BY THE SOUTHLAKE FUTURE LAND USE POLICY FOR THE REASONS I JUST MENTIONED.

IN ADDITION, CROSS LANE CURRENTLY HAS MANY CHILDREN, 12 OF THOSE SPECIFICALLY ELEMENTARY AGE AND YOUNGER, WHO PLAY ON OUR STREET ALL THE TIME AND ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL ACCESS TRAFFIC GATE.

FUTURE ACCESS, WHATEVER WOULD PUT MANY YOUNG CHILDREN IN DANGER, INCLUDING MY SON.

OBVIOUSLY, OTHER REASONS THAT WE OPPOSE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS TRAFFIC.

I THINK EVERYBODY IN SOUTHLAKE KNOWS THAT TRAFFIC IS BECOMING A PROBLEM.

IT'S AWFUL.

IT'S UNBEARABLE, IN FACT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE AREA AROUND CARROLL AND SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD OBVIOUSLY IS ONE OF THE HEAVIER, CONGESTED AREAS.

SO I THINK ADDING THIS WOULD JUST MAKE IT EVEN WORSE.

SO IN SUMMARY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THE DEVELOPER HAS DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND THEY'RE AWARE OF THE SOUTHLAKE FUTURE LAND AND USE POLICY.

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I'M GUESSING THAT YOU'VE ALSO REVIEWED THE NUMEROUS COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH.

START. YEAH. DO YOU MIND? YOU CAN JUST WRAP UP. JUST. PLEASE.

I'M ALMOST DONE. I HAVE. OKAY, SO I'M GUESSING YOU RECEIVED THOSE.

YOU'VE SEEN IT. THAT'S CLEAR. THE COMMUNITY IS OPPOSED TO THIS, SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU OPPOSE THIS AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I PROBABLY FORGOT TO STATE EARLIER, I THINK WE'VE GOT AT LEAST 100 PLUS RESPONSE FORMS. SO WE HAVE ALL GOTTEN THOSE.

READ THEM. IT WAS A 200 PLUS PAGE PDF.

SO WE DID WE DID GET ALL THOSE AND THEY WERE NOTED FOR THE RECORD.

SO IF YOU EMAILED ANYTHING UP WE DID WE DID GET THAT.

IT IS ON THE RECORD.

OKAY SIR, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS HENRY ZHANG.

I LIVE IN 808 GATESHEAD COURT.

I HAVE A THREE CONCERNS ABOUT THE NEW BUILD, NEW CONSTRUCTION.

THE FIRST IS THE BEHIND.

BEHIND THE BEHIND MY HOUSE THERE IS A FOREST.

I SAW THAT I SEE A LOT OF BIRDS.

ANIMALS, SCORES AROUND.

IF THERE IS A NEW BUILDING, THE FOREST WILL BE GONE AND ALL ANIMALS NOWHERE TO GO.

SO THAT'S MY FIRST CONCERN.

SO I ENJOY THE THE FOREST.

AND IN THE BACKYARD I CAN SEE ANIMALS AND BIRDS HEAR THE BIRDS SING.

SO THAT'S VERY GOOD THING FOR THE CURRENT SITUATION.

BUT WHEN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, EVERYTHING WILL BE GONE.

SO I DON'T LIKE THAT WAY BECAUSE WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE I THE CURRENT SITUATION IS OVER THERE.

THAT'S THE REASON, THE ONE REASON I BUY THIS PROPERTY.

ANOTHER THING IS THE CROSSING THE STREET.

THERE IS A GATE, TRAFFIC WILL BE OVER, WILL BE MUCH MORE TRAFFIC OVER THERE.

SO I SEE THAT'S NOT SMALL CASE.

SO THEY DON'T IT'S NOT SAFE ZONE FOR THEM TO PLAY PLAY AROUND IN THE STREET.

ANOTHER ANOTHER THING IS THE THE CREDIT THE BUILDING AND FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL STUFF OVER THERE.

SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S I THINK MAYBE THERE'S TOO MUCH NOISE OVER THERE.

AND MY WIFE, PHUONG, SHE ALREADY STATED THAT THERE'S SOMETHING MAYBE IT'S TOO MUCH NOISE OVER THERE.

WE'RE GETTING RETIRED VERY SOON, SO WE ENJOY THE QUIET PLACE TO LIVE.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, SIR. GO AHEAD. PLEASE.

COME ON UP. TRY TO KEEP THIS RUNNING.

GOOD EVENING. I'M LAUREN NOR I LIVE AT 870 ON BEE LANE, AND BASED OFF THAT LAST DIAGRAM, LOTS NUMBER 16 AND 17 ARE RIGHT ACROSS MY BACK FENCE. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT DEVELOPMENT.

I'VE BEEN SICK OF HAVING ALL OF THOSE TREES KNOCKING MY FENCE DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE GROWING OVER IT.

IT'S BEEN AN UNKEPT AREA.

I THINK THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE A GREAT ASSET TO SOUTHLAKE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? BEFORE I CLOSE? GO AHEAD, SIR, COME ON UP.

MY NAME IS GEORGE GIBSON.

I DID ALREADY FILE A COMMENT, BUT I CHANGED MY MIND.

I DO WANT TO SPEAK.

I'M IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT FOR A FEW REASONS.

YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE IS WHEN WE CHOSE SOUTHLAKE, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT HIGH DENSITY.

WE WOULD HAVE NEVER BOUGHT OUR CURRENT HOUSE.

AND, YOU KNOW, EXCUSE ME, I DIDN'T STATE OUR ADDRESS.

IT'S 300 FOXBORO.

THAT WOULD POSITION IT WHERE WIND TRAFFIC STARTS TO FLOW THROUGH.

SHOULD THEY BE ABLE TO GET THIS DEVELOPMENT.

OUR OUR HOUSE WOULD BASICALLY BE WHERE EVERYBODY WOULD BE TURNING.

WE WOULD HAVE NEVER BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY.

IT WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATED.

YOU KNOW AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT, BUT WHEN IT'S AN ISSUE OF MONEY AND BY THE DEVELOPER'S OWN COUNT, IF THERE'S 28 LOTS OR HOUSES FOR 2 MILLION, THAT'S ROUGHLY 56.

WELL, IF YOU PUT IT IN 14 HOUSES AT 3 MILLION, THAT'S 42.

SO THEY DIDN'T THEY'RE JUST SIMPLY DOING A PLAY TO DRIVE MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR FOXBORO NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE OTHER THING, OBVIOUSLY THE TRAFFIC.

YOU KNOW, THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE.

AND I WOULD JUST SECOND THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE UP THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WOULD JUST GO BACK THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN CONSIDERED PURCHASING IT.

AND I WOULD AGAIN, SECOND, THAT I'M OPPOSED TO THE GATE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT PEDESTRIANS THAT DON'T LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WALKING THROUGH.

I HAVE A NINE YEAR OLD AND A SEVEN YEAR OLD, AND AFTER THIS I'LL RESPECTFULLY LEAVE TO GO PICK HIM UP FROM, YOU KNOW, SOUTHLAKE ATHLETICS.

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AND IT WILL BE A MAJOR DETRACTOR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY GATE, IT WILL BE OPEN.

AND I WORK AS AN EMERGENCY MEDICINE PHYSICIAN.

ALL THE COMMENTS PEOPLE SAY ABOUT KIDS, IT'S IMPRESSIVE.

COME SIT THERE AND WATCH A DEVELOPMENT.

EVERYBODY WATCH THE DEVELOPER'S REACTION WHEN HE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SHRUGGED AND SHOWED HOW IT WAS NEGATIVE.

BUT, WELL, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS GOING TO BE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH DOCTOR MENDEZ.

WELL, THAT'S NOT THAT SHOULDN'T BE MY FAMILY'S BURDEN.

AND LIKE YOU HEARD, MY OTHER NEIGHBORS AND RESIDENTS SAY.

THIS IS AN ATYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE KIDS ARE OUT ON THE STREET PLAYING.

THIS WILL JEOPARDIZE THAT WITH BOTH PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC CUTTING THROUGH AND OTHERS.

AND RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY TRAFFIC THAT CUTS THROUGH FOXBORO ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN FOXBORO OR ARE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THIS IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME TILL THEY'RE CUTTING THROUGH THAT OFFICE SPACE, THROUGH THAT RESIDENTIAL STUFF, BECAUSE THE GATE WILL BE BROKEN THERE.

YOU KNOW, THE NICE FANCY GATE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NOW WILL ONE DAY BE OLD AND DECREPIT, AND THEN TRAFFIC WILL CUT THROUGH TO AVOID THAT STUFF ON THE LINE.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND WE LOVE SOUTHLAKE, BUT I'M 100% AGAINST THIS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I GUESS ANY LAST PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

OKAY SEEING NONE.

APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT TO COMMENT ON THIS TONIGHT.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS EVENING.

AND THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS PROBABLY DELIBERATE UP HERE A LITTLE BIT AND THEN POTENTIALLY ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP MAYBE A, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY TO TAKE THIS IS MAYBE TO BREAK IT INTO PIECES AND JUST TALK ABOUT IT LIKE THAT.

I GUESS, OBVIOUSLY WITH MAYBE THE, YOU KNOW, THE GARDEN OFFICE PIECE BEING THE FIRST PIECE THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT.

AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FOR THE RESIDENTS, A LOT OF WHAT THIS COMMISSION TRIES TO DO BECAUSE I THINK NOBODY WOULD LIKE IT IF WE JUST KIND OF CAME UP HERE AND JUST MADE IT UP AS WE WENT ALONG. WHAT WE USE IS OUR LAND USE PLAN AS OUR GUIDE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE CAN ALL COUNT ON, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS, CITY GOVERNMENT, PEOPLE.

SO I THINK THAT'S A LOT. THAT'S WHY YOU'VE HEARD THAT REFERENCED A LOT TONIGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL TRY TO INTERPRET.

BUT RELATIVE TO THE THE OFFICE COMPONENT, I GUESS.

HOW DO COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING THE ACCESS TO 1709 BUT BUT THE GARDEN OFFICE BEING PROPOSED AS A PART OF IT.

SO I MEAN, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY ONE THING THAT'S IN CONFLICT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN.

DOES ANYONE WANT TO JUMP IN TERMS OF HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THAT? IT SEEMS ODD TO ME THAT WE WOULD PUT A BUILDING LIKE THAT OFFICE BUILDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT, AND YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO CHICANE AROUND IT TO GET LINED UP TO EVEN GET IN THE DRIVEWAY.

SO, I MEAN, I KNOW I DON'T THINK I'D WANT TO COME HOME HAVING TO DRIVE PAST THE LOCAL OFFICE BUILDING.

ON THE WAY IN AND OUT AS THE CASE IS HERE.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I MEAN, AGAIN, THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE OFFICE BUILDING AND THE USE OF IT, I LIKE IT.

FROM THE SECOND POINT OF ACCESS WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS, THIS LANDOWNER AND SELLING ADDITIONAL LAND.

BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IF IT'S IF IF HE'S THE SAME ALSO, OWNER LIKE IT'S BEEN CONFIRMED OF THE MEDICAL OFFICE, IT'S REALLY AN EASEMENT NEGOTIATION.

IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A LAND ADDITIONAL LAND PURCHASE.

AND SO AS IT RELATES TO FUNCTIONALITY WITH THAT TOWARDS THE OFFICE BUILDING, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A SOLVABLE ISSUE IN THE SENSE THAT YOU COULD GET SUPPORTIVE OF IT AND, YOU KNOW, JUMP IN HERE AS WELL.

IF THERE WAS THE THAT ACCESS POINT TO 1709 THAT'S DESCRIBED IN THE LAND USE.

YEAH, YEAH. AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE OFFICE BUILDING AT THIS POINT.

YES, YES. JUST THE OFFICE BUILDING.

AND, AND I THINK ALSO IMPORTANTLY, AND I'M SURPRISED IT WASN'T BROUGHT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I, I WOULD THINK CITY COUNCIL IS PROBABLY GOING TO ASK THIS, BUT SOME SORT OF RENDERINGS OR VIEW AS IF I WERE STANDING ON THAT SECOND FLOOR.

WHAT AM I LOOKING AT WHEN I'M LOOKING DOWN, WHETHER IT'S NORTH OR SOUTH? AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE KIND OF MY NEXT QUESTION, BUT I GUESS OTHERS CAN MAYBE WEIGH IN ON WHAT'S WEIGH ON ON THAT FIRST, I GUESS.

IS IT PEOPLE MAYBE KIND OF NODDING THEIR HEADS ABOUT IF THERE IS AN OFFICE BUILDING, THAT THERE'S A PREFERENCE THAT THERE BE ACCESS TO? 1709 PER THE LAND USE PLAN.

IS THAT CAN I CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF THERE WAS ACCESS TO 1709, BUT THE THE CUT IN ON THE BUILDING WOULD CUT THROUGH PROPERTY THAT IS NOT THE SAME OWNER? OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TRACKS TO THE SOUTH OF, TO THE TWO THIRDS WESTERN PORTION OF THIS SITE ARE OWNED ALL BY THE SAME OWNER.

OH, OKAY.

SO THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE DIRECTION OF THE CONVERSATION IS GOING.

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OKAY. RIGHT.

BUT BUT ISN'T THIS GOING TO BE A GATED NEIGHBORHOOD? SO IF THE ACCESS POINTS WERE OVER HERE, WELL, THAT'S THAT'S ALL TBD.

SO, SO, I MEAN, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET SOME CONSENSUS ON UP HERE IS, IS IF IF THERE'S AN OFFICE USE PROPOSED IS THE THOUGHT THAT WE WANT ACCESS TO 1709 OR NOT? YEAH. TWO SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS.

YES. AND JUST TO ADD, I THINK.

PHALEN ALLUDED TO THIS, I DON'T WE KEEP CALLING THEM GARDEN OFFICE.

WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. OKAY.

I'M JUST I'M GOING TO THIS THIS CASE HAS LIKE TEN DIFFERENT POINTS TO IT.

SO I WANT TO TRY TO TAKE IT ONE AT A TIME.

YES, SIR. I'LL JUST STICK WITH THAT OKAY.

SO THAT'S I GUESS IS THAT THE THOUGHT THAT IF THERE'S AN OFFICE USE, THE PREFERENCE IS TO FOLLOW THE LAND USE PLAN AND HAVE ACCESS TO 1709, IS THAT IS THAT I THINK FOLLOWING THE LAND USE PLAN IS ALWAYS THE BEST POLICY.

OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S SO THAT'S ONE PIECE.

SO LET'S NOW ASSUME THAT THAT THAT ACCESS IS THERE ON 1709.

ARE THERE ANY CONSENSUS THOUGHTS ON ONE STORY OFFICE OR TWO STORY OFFICE.

LET'S ASSUME IT HAS ACCESS.

IT'S NOT A BAD LOOKING BUILDING.

I AGREE IT'S GOT SOME NICE ELEMENTS TO IT, BUT IT'S THE WRONG LOCATION.

SO EVEN IF IT HAS ACCESS TO 1709, IN MY VIEW IT'S JUST THE WRONG LOCATION.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT STORY, ONE STORY OR TWO STORY.

TWO STORY. YEAH. I MEAN, MAYBE THAT GOES ON THE CORNER WHERE THAT BANK IS OR SOMETHING AND SOME OTHER KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.

BUT TO ME, I'M WITH DOCTOR SPRINGER.

THIS IS THE WRONG LOCATION FOR A TWO STORY BUILDING.

IS THAT YOUR THOUGHT? JUST CONFIRM.

OKAY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? SO IF THERE'S ACCESS TO 1709, ONE STORY COULD BE SOMETHING UNDER CONSIDERATION.

BUT TWO STORIES IS TOUGH.

IS THAT WHAT I'M INTERPRETING UP HERE? I'M PROBABLY JUST LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS.

PROBABLY. PROBABLY NOT PERFECT, NOT 100%.

BUT AT LEAST THAT'S IF THAT'S ALL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS BEING ON THIS.

YES. YES OKAY.

YES. AND AGAIN, I'M KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHAT THE LAND USE PLAN IS.

SO I'M TRYING TO KIND OF TIE IT ALL TOGETHER.

SO NOW LET'S LET'S MOVE TO THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION IN TERMS OF JUST THE DENSITY THEREOF.

AND THERE'S NO THERE'S NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE UNDER THE, YOU KNOW, LAND USE PLAN.

BUT THEN THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE NOT IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING BIGGER THAN WHAT'S PROPOSED.

SO I GUESS WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK ABOUT NUMBER OF LOTS? OR ANYTHING ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION.

YEAH, I KIND OF SAID IT EARLIER TO THE APPLICANT.

THIS DENSITY IS TOO MUCH FOR ME.

AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH I THINK ARE ALL HALF ACRES, HALF ACRE LOTS.

AND THAT'S MY VIEW.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC DISCUSSION ENDS UP BEING SECONDARY TO THAT, BECAUSE THAT OBVIOUSLY CHANGES THE NUMBERS SIGNIFICANTLY.

SAME COMMENTS THAT I HAD WITH REGARD TO THE OFFICE I HAVE WITH REGARD TO THE RESIDENTIAL.

I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT, BUT THE LOCATION HERE FOR THAT KIND OF PRODUCT TO ME DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

YOU KNOW, CARROLLINE'S TURNED OUT WELL.

THEY DID A GOOD JOB.

THERE'S VILLAS OVER THERE.

TOWN SQUARES TURNED OUT WELL TO ME.

IT'S NOT THE PRODUCT, IT'S THE LOCATION.

SAME THING ON THE OFFICE BUILDING.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

THANK YOU. OTHERS WANT TO WEIGH IN.

I WOULD LEAN IN THAT SAME, SAME VEIN.

IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE ZERO LOT LINE STUFF, JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S MONOPOLY HOUSES AND YOU SEE IT OVER IN GRAPEVINE AND SOME OTHER AREAS AND, YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK GOOD IN THE END.

AND I'M BACK TO THE SAME THING AGAIN, IF WE'RE SAYING FAMILIES NEED TO LIVE, LIVE IN THIS AREA OVER HERE.

SO WHERE ARE THE KIDS? WHERE'S THE AREA FOR THEM TO HAVE ANY RECREATION? SO IT'S JUST TO ME, IT JUST IT'S JUST JAMMING TOO MUCH INTO ONE SMALL AREA.

OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? TOPIC. IN GENERAL, I UNDERSTAND.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A CONCEPT OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

I JUST IT'S HARD TO SAY.

AS IS IT WOULD LOOK GOOD.

IT'S LIKE IF YOU TOOK THE OFFICE OUT OF IT AND YOU STRETCHED IT OUT, MAYBE SPACED IT A LITTLE MORE MAYBE.

I MEAN, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE BIG THING IN MY MIND.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SAY NOTHING WITH MULTIPLE SMALLER LOTS.

I MEAN, IS, IS THIS TOO SMALL OF A LOT? COULD YOU MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER? COULD YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT? IF WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WORKABLE THAT WE COULD RECOMMEND, BUT THAT IT'S NOT STANDING ALONE BEFORE US.

OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT TOPIC?

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LET ME GO. I GUESS THE EXAMPLE BEING IF ONE HOA WANTED TO OPEN IT UP, JUST CONFIRMING HOW THE REGS GOVERN THAT IN TERMS OF NOT BEING ABLE TO.

CERTAINLY THE CURRENTLY THE THE.

I'LL START WITH THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE CUL DE SAC AT THAT END.

CURRENTLY THAT'S CONSTRUCTED AS A DEAD END STREET.

AND WHEN FOXBORO WAS APPROVED, PROPOSED AS SUCH WITH THE INTENT THAT THAT WOULD BE CONTINUED AND.

A EITHER A CONFORMING THROUGH STREET OR A CUL DE SAC.

BE CONSTRUCTED THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR SAFE TURNAROUND.

SO THEY ARE AS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL ADDRESSING THAT CONDITION.

THE EMERGENCY ACCESS IS AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF OUR FIRE MARSHAL AND WOULD REMAIN CLOSED.

IT WOULD CONTAIN WHAT THEY CALL A NOX BOX THAT THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES ABLE TO ACCESS.

AND WOULD REMAIN CLOSED.

AND UNLESS THERE IS AN EMERGENCY AND THAT THAT COULD BE MADE A VERY FIRM CONDITION WITH ANY ACTION TAKEN ON THIS ITEM. OKAY, SO WRITTEN INTO THE ZONING.

AND SO IT'S NOT THAT AN HOA COULD WAKE UP TOMORROW AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT IT OPEN BECAUSE IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE OKAY, THE ZONING.

OKAY. OKAY.

SO IF I WAS TO CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP HERE, I GUESS I WOULD ASK THEM THEIR THOUGHTS ON IT.

SOUNDS LIKE IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONTEMPLATED OFFICE USE HERE, THE PREFERENCE IS THAT THERE BE ACCESS DOWN TO 1709 AS DESCRIBED IN THE LAND USE PLAN.

REC. AND THAT IT BE ONE STORY VERSUS TWO STORY AND THAT THE RESIDENTIAL USE, I THINK THERE WOULD BE SOME TBD LEVEL OF LESS DENSITY, SOMETHING LESS THAN 28.

IS THAT ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE I CALL THE APPLICANT UP? DID WE KIND OF COVER IT HERE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I GUESS I'LL CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP.

I THINK YOU'VE HEARD THE CONTEXT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YOU'VE HEARD THE CONTEXT OF THE DELIBERATIONS UP HERE IN TERMS OF KIND OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED VERSUS WHAT THE COMMISSION, BASED ON FEEDBACK WAS COMFORTABLE WITH, I GUESS.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? CAN I JUST A COMMERCIAL PIECE REAL QUICK? WOULD YOU GUYS BE OPPOSED IF WE ELIMINATED THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE, NORTH SIDE AND SOUTH SIDE OF THAT BUILDING? WOULD THAT BE THAT SATISFIES THE OVERLOOK OF POTENTIAL NEIGHBORS? COMMISSIONERS WANT TO WEIGH IN.

I MEAN, I'M NOT AGAINST THE TWO STORY, SO I MEAN, I JUST FELT LIKE HAVING SOME PERSPECTIVE TO GIVE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO ASK THAT.

SO YEAH.

YEAH. WE MIGHT ALSO BE OPEN TO AS AS THE CHAIRMAN SUGGESTED STEPPING BACK THE, THE.

UPPER FLOOR. YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE MAJORITY VIEWPOINT ON HERE, BUT I MEAN, I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO STEP BACK.

AND I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE ON BOTH SIDES, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE HEARD FROM MR. STRUNK AS WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WASN'T SOMETHING HE WAS EXCITED ABOUT EITHER.

SO I THINK ON NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES.

BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST ONE PERSON.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE JUST OPPOSITION PERIOD TO TWO STORIES.

YEAH. JUST TO BE CLEAR, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.

YOU THE DEVELOPER, ANY OF THAT.

BUT JUST TO BE DIRECT, THIS ISN'T GOING TO FLY WITH ME.

OKAY. SO POSSIBLY ON THE SECOND STORY, MAYBE NOT, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT AT A MINIMUM FOR THERE TO BE ANYTHING THERE THAT THE CONSENSUS WAS SOME ACCESS DOWN TO 1709.

YEAH. AND LET ME POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A THERE'S A STUBBED ROAD HERE.

THIS PROPERTY WILL EVENTUALLY BE AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND SO WILL THIS HERE.

ALL OF THIS WILL PROBABLY BE DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL OFFICE, AND THERE WOULD BE THROUGH ACCESS TO 1709 THROUGH THOSE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

IT'S JUST NOT THERE YET AND NOT IN OUR CONTROL TO, TO PUT IT THERE.

WE ARE, OF COURSE, PROPOSING THIS TO BE A GATED RESIDENTIAL AREA.

SO ACCESS FROM THE EVEN IF WE WE DID PUT A OUTLET HERE TO THE PARKING LOT.

ACCESS FROM THE, THE, FROM THE OFFICE BUILDING WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH HERE UNDER THIS PROPOSAL.

[01:45:03]

RIGHT. I WOULD I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR AS WELL I MEAN THE EMERGENCY GATE IS NOT REQUESTED OR DEMANDED BY ME.

I DON'T KNOW HONESTLY.

TOTALLY. YEAH. TOTALLY.

UNDERSTAND. THAT'S I'M FINE WITH IT BEING JUST A SOLID WALL AND DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

YEAH. NO. AND I AND I THINK I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS AND IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU, YOU DID AGREE THAT THIS HOA WOULD BEAR THE COSTS OF ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO AND IT'S WRITTEN IN OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT THE HOA WOULD AND I GUESS ONE OTHER QUICK FOLLOW UP ON THAT, I GUESS IF, IF THE RESIDENTS OUTSIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT PREFERRED NOT TO BE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, YOU'D BE OKAY NOT PROVIDING IT.

YEAH. OKAY. SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE LOWER HANGING FRUIT, BUT I THINK IT KIND OF IGNORES THESE BIGGER ITEMS. SO I MEAN, YOU'VE HEARD THE FEEDBACK.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW THE DRILL. WE CAN TAKE A VOTE OR YOU CAN REQUEST TO BE TABLED.

IT'S UP, UP TO YOU ON HOW YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO PROCEED.

I PERSONALLY WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, PREFER TO VOTE.

I THINK I WOULD RECOMMEND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF THESE CHANGES THAT WE CAN WORK ON FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

SO, MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING CHANGE, MAKE IT EVEN NEEDS TO BE AN OPTION AS A ONE STORY OR MULTIPLE ONE STORY GARDENS.

WHICH I THINK WOULD HAVE TO BE AT LEAST MULTIPLE ONES.

BUT THEN AS WELL AS SHOWING THE WHERE WE DON'T GET THAT FOR ONE LINE FOR TO ONE SLOPE LINE.

VARIANCE. WE DON'T NEED THAT VARIANCE AT THAT POINT.

I'M ALSO OPEN TO POTENTIALLY ADDING, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN SPACE.

I'M OPEN. I CAN PUT THE I'LL PROPOSE A SOLID WALL AT THE, AT THE PROPOSED EMERGENCY GATE THAT WE HAVE NOW.

SO THERE'S NO ACCESS TO CROSS LANE.

I JUST THINK THAT I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THIS PLAN WORK.

I THINK THERE WITHIN THE THE VAST OF THIS ROOM, WE MIGHT SAY THAT THIS DOESN'T WORK OR THIS DOESN'T FIT, BUT THERE'S A HIGH DEMAND FOR THIS PRODUCT, EXTREMELY HIGH DEMAND.

AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK IT DISCOURAGES.

A LOOK FROM SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE.

I THINK IT IMPROVES IT.

AND I THINK ANYTHING AROUND THE CORNER OF ALL FOUR CORNERS, WHEN WE GET TO THE AERIAL MAP IS INDICATING COMMERCIAL AND AND AND IT'S ALL THIS IS, IS AN EXTENSION OF OF ABILITY TO LIVE NEXT TO OUR TOWN HALL AND OUR TOWN SQUARE BECAUSE IT IS A IT IS A IT'S THE MOST VISITED TOWN SQUARE OUT OF ANY CITY ATTACHING TO US BY A MILE.

NO ONE'S DONE ANYTHING AS WELL AS WE HAVE DONE HERE.

AND I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE HAVE ANOTHER PRODUCT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE IN SOUTHLAKE AND OTHER TOWNS ARE DOING IT, AND OTHER TOWNS ARE DOING IT VERY SUCCESSFULLY AND HAVING A LOT OF DEMAND FOR THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT IN VERY HIGH END AREAS.

SO THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY ON THAT.

I'D RECOMMEND I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS SO WE CAN WORK.

YEAH. IF. WELL AND I MEAN JUST AND UNDERSTAND AND AND OTHERS JUMP IN HERE IF I'M NOT INTERPRETING IT RIGHT.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TO ASK FOR A VOTE TONIGHT ON WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WAS SOME INDIGESTION.

AND THAT'S WHY I SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO TRY TO GET FEEDBACK AS TO WHAT WOULD CURE YOUR INDIGESTION.

I THINK YOU HEARD THAT IN TERMS OF THE ACCESS DOWN TO 1709, THERE'S VARYING OPINIONS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING OR NOT.

THERE MAY BE A WAY TO ADDRESS IT BY SQUEEZING IT IN.

THERE MAY NOT IN TERMS OF TWO VERSUS ONE STORY.

AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE 2928 LOTS.

SORRY IS TOO MANY IN PEOPLE'S OPINION.

HOW MANY LESS? I CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT ANSWER.

I, I JUST KNOW THAT ALL WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TO VOTE ON TONIGHT'S 28.

SO IF YOU WANT US TO VOTE, WE CAN VOTE.

BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, I'VE TRIED TO GIVE YOU PRETTY SPECIFIC FEEDBACK ON WHAT COULD GET PEOPLE THERE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT THERE.

WELL, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE THING TO YOU AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL FOR THEM TO CONSIDER AS A RECOMMENDING BOARD.

ARE YOU ABLE TO DO THAT AS OPPOSED TO WE WE ARE HERE.

WE HAVE AN APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US.

AND IF YOU WANT US TO VOTE, WE WILL VOTE.

THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY THIS PROCESS WORKS.

SO WE'RE HAPPY TO VOTE.

I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC FEEDBACK COMMISSIONERS WANT TO GIVE ON NUMBER OF LOTS.

I MEAN, I, I WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY HOW MANY LOTS HE NEEDS EXACTLY.

BUT I THINK THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT WITH DOCTOR MENDEZ TO GET ANOTHER ENTRANCE THROUGH THERE.

AND AS WE STATED BEFORE, HE OWNS ALL THIS PROPERTY AND HE'S THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY OFF OF THE SALE OF THIS LAND, THEN HE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE MORE ACCOMMODATING IF YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THE CROSS LANE IS OUT, WHICH I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU PEOPLE.

OKAY. THAT'S A STREET THAT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH.

I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW NONE OF Y'ALL WANT TO HEAR THAT, BUT IT'S IT WAS PUT THERE FOR A PURPOSE AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR.

SO NOW IF WE'RE JUST ADAMANT WE CAN'T DO THAT, IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS TO GET DOCTOR MENDEZ TO COME UP WITH SOME WAY, CUT THROUGH HIS PARKING LOT, TEAR DOWN THE HOUSE, BRING IT DOWN TO TOWER, AND TURN IT IN WHATEVER WAY IT WORKS.

BUT IT'S JUST THIS TO ME, IS JUST IT'S A BOX CANYON AND IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

[01:50:04]

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT.

YEAH. WELL, YEAH. JUST I MEAN AS A RECOMMENDING BODY, THE CITY COUNCIL, IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.

YEAH. NOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SAY YOU WANT ONE ACRE LOTS HERE, THEN I DON'T.

I'M PRETTY SURE WE CAN'T DO THAT.

YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW, IF IF, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SAY YOU KNOW, WE WE LIKE THE PROJECT IN GENERAL, BUT WE'D LIKE SOME CHANGES TO IT.

WE WOULD LIKE SOME SETBACKS.

SETBACKS ON THE OFFICE BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE TO ADDRESS THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.

WE WOULD LIKE A.

EMERGENCY ACCESS.

TO THE PARKING LOT OF THE MENDEZ OFFICE BUILDING.

I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO GRANT THAT, BUT.

BUT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU FEEL NEEDS TO HAPPEN HERE, THEN WHAT'S GOING TO SUGGEST THAT? OR OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE SUGGESTED WE OUGHT TO OPEN CROSS LANE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT.

YEAH. BUT I THINK WHAT THE CHAIRMAN IS SAYING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A TON HERE.

AND FOR US TO CRAFT A MOTION THAT GAINS FAVORABILITY, THAT THEN IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE I MEAN, WE MAY TAKE TEN VOTES BEFORE WE FIGURE IT OUT. THERE'S TOO THERE'S TOO MUCH GROUND TO TAKE.

I MEAN, ALL WE CAN VOTE ON IS REALLY GENERALLY WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US WITH SOME SMALL TWEAKS, OBVIOUSLY.

AND I THINK THE TWEAKS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ARE SIGNIFICANT.

I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A GARDEN OFFICE USE, THERE NEEDS TO BE ACCESS TO 1709.

IF THERE IS ACCESS, THERE'S MAYBE YOU PROVIDE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON ONE STORY VERSUS TWO STORY.

THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, PUSHED BACK.

AND THEN ALSO ON THE RESIDENTIAL USE, IT'S BROUGHT IN WITH X NUMBER OF LESS HOUSES THAN THIS TIME OR Y NUMBER OF HOUSES LESS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

AND AT THAT POINT WE CAN START TO CRAFT SOMETHING THAT COULD GET RECOMMENDED.

BUT AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, THERE'S TOO MUCH, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE OUT HERE AND THEY WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING VOTED ON. YOU KNOW, ALL I CAN VOTE ON TONIGHT IS WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US BASED ON WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

SO I KNOW WE CAN VOTE.

WE'RE NOT ABSOLUTELY AGAINST TABLING IF WE CAN GET SOME CONCRETE INPUT.

I, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN PRETTY CONCRETE HERE.

I MEAN, YOU CAN I MEAN, YOU KNOW, JUST EVERYBODY CAN WATCH THESE MEETINGS ONLINE.

YOU KIND OF LISTEN TO IT.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU LIKE THE CONCRETE.

I'M JUST SAYING I FEEL LIKE WE'VE WE'VE I'VE TRIED.

I MEAN, I TRUST ME, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

I'M TRYING TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE AND GET SPECIFIC FEEDBACK ON WHAT PEOPLE CAN GET SUPPORTIVE OF.

SO I'M TRYING TO OFFER THAT I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN OFFER.

THE PART I'M I'M UNCLEAR ON IS OFFICE ACCESS TO 1709.

YES. ULTIMATELY THERE WILL BE THROUGH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE WE HAVE AN OFFICE DRIVE THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT DOWN TO HERE.

ARE YOU I THAT THAT'S THAT THAT'S YOUR.

YOU'RE THE LAND PLANNER. I'M NOT THE LAND.

ALL I, ALL I CAN DO IS FOLLOW THE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS.

WELL, I THINK THE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS DEALT WITH MORE THAN JUST THIS PROPERTY, AND THAT'S.

AND THAT'S A BIG PART OF IT, HONESTLY.

I MEAN, AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AGAIN, THIS IS THE LAND OWNERS CHOICE TO TRY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD RIGHT NOW WITH JUST THIS PIECE.

IT'S NOT OUR CHOICE. WELL, LAND USE NOT ONLY THIS ENTIRE CORNER PROPERTY, BUT OTHER LANDOWNERS PROPERTY WERE PART OF THE OF THE SPECIFIC AREA.

YES. STUDY THAT WAS DONE HERE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT RIGHT IN THERE.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT AS WELL.

BUT AGAIN I CAN IT MAYBE IT'S THERE TOMORROW.

MAYBE IT'S NOT. ALL I CAN VOTE ON IS WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, I WOULD SAY BASED ON THAT AND LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S TEN.

I WOULD PROBABLY JUST SAY LET'S TABLE TONIGHT.

LET ME WORK ON SOME ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS.

BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A, THE NUMBER OF LOTS, THE ACCESS POINTS.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NEGOTIATIONS ON THAT.

THE BUILDING IS NOT DESIGNED.

IT'S CONCEPTUAL. SO OBVIOUSLY WE COULD DO ANYTHING ON THAT.

WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, THESE THESE WEREN'T MADE UP IN MY ROOM BY MYSELF.

THESE WERE MADE UP BY, YOU KNOW, REQUESTS BY EVERYBODY I DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS IN SOUTHLAKE.

SO JUST KNOW THAT IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM.

IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE SITTING UP THERE THAT THESE DESIGNS AND THESE WHICH I TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY WE DO BUILD A LOT OF HOUSES DOWN IN THIS TOWN THAT THESE ARE REQUESTS AND DESIRES BY OUR CITIZENS.

THEY MIGHT NOT BE HERE TODAY, BUT THEY ARE REQUESTS.

SO IF Y'ALL CAN KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND, I APPRECIATE THAT.

I WILL GO BACK AND WE TABLE AND TRY TO DO ANOTHER PRESENTATION THAT MIGHT FIT, YOU KNOW, EACH ONE OF YOUR NEEDS AND AND HOPEFULLY GET SOME RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.

[01:55:02]

AND IF YOU'RE LISTENING RIGHT, IN THE CITY, CITY COUNCIL AND PNC THAT WE HAVE TO THERE IS A DEMAND AND WE'LL MAKE IT RIGHT.

WE'LL MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL. THIS IS NOT A DISCOURAGEMENT FROM THE SOUTHLAKE QUALITY.

AND IT DOES FIT, IN MY OPINION, IN THE CORNER OF MAIN AND MAIN.

AND I JUST I DON'T IF WE CAN DO IF WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO EXTEND CROSS LANE, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.

I'LL BUILD HALF ACRE LOTS ALL DAY LONG.

BUT MY BIG PERSONAL GAIN ON THIS IS NOT ABOUT BUILDING HOUSES THAT ARE BIGGER AND UNAFFORDABLE.

I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMUNITY DOESN'T HAVE.

I WILL BUILD HALF ACRE LOTS ALL DAY LONG.

I THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE 3 TO $3.5 MILLION.

I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSE IN OUR TOWN.

AND SO AGAIN, I, I'M OPEN TO GOING THROUGH ANY DIRECTION YOU GUYS WANT.

I JUST WANT I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT, AND YOU'VE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT.

CARROLLINE PARK I FEEL LIKE THIS IS JUST A REPLICA OF THAT, BUT A LOT MORE CONDENSED, HIGH END AND PRIVATE.

SO YEAH. NO.

AND I LOOK I MEAN, I'M ONLY SPEAKING AS ONE PERSON BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OTHERS UP HERE HAVE A STRONGER ISSUE WITH IT.

BUT I MEAN, CONCEPTUALLY, I GET THE REQUESTS ON THESE LOT SIZES RELATIVE TO NEXT TO TOWN SQUARE.

WE'VE GOT THEM IN CARROLLINA. I MEAN, I GET IT PERSONALLY BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK THE THOUGHT IS HERE INSTEAD OF THEM BEING 5 OR 6000, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THEY WERE A LITTLE LARGER, YOU MIGHT FIND FOUR VOTES UP HERE.

BUT AS OF NOW, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE FOUR VOTES AT THE CURRENT SIZE.

AND THAT'S THAT'S WHY I WOULD SAY WHEN YOU COME BACK PRESENT COUPLED, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON DENSITY LEVELS AND MAYBE YOU CAN FIND AN ANSWER THERE.

AND AGAIN, SAME THING ON THE OFFICE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE AN OFFICE. SOUNDS LIKE IT NEEDS ACCESS TO 1709.

IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO 1709, PRESENT A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON SINGLE STORY VERSUS A TWO STORY THAT MAYBE IS PUSHED IN A LITTLE BIT ON THE SECOND STORY.

AND MAYBE THAT GETS PEOPLE. SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING ACTUALLY PRETTY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD WORK HERE.

SO I THINK JUST TRY TO CRAFT THAT.

AND OBVIOUSLY AGAIN, AS USUAL, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN CONTINUE TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THE RESIDENTS.

I KNOW YOU CAN'T WIN EVERYBODY'S SUPPORT, BUT TRY TO KEEP TALKING TO THEM AND SEE IF THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS.

THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, WHO OWNS THE, YOU KNOW, THE FENCE AND WHO GOVERNS THE COST.

JUST DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HOPEFULLY MAYBE YOU CAN GET A FEW MORE OF THEM THERE.

AND TO YOUR POINT, MAYBE THAT HELPS YOUR APPLICATION.

SO ANYTHING ELSE? ARE WE GOOD AT 830 HERE? I'M GOOD. OKAY.

SO WE'RE VOTING TO TABLE JUST TO MAKE SURE.

YEAH. AND DENNIS, I GUESS WHAT'S THE BEST THING IN A MOTION TO DO? IS IT TO TABLE TO OUR NEXT MEETING OR JUST TABLE INDEFINITELY OR.

WHAT'S THE. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT HOW MUCH TIME THEY NEED TO WORK ON WHAT THEY HAVE IN MIND.

THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE MARCH 7TH, AND WE WOULD NEED ANY NEW MATERIAL BACK BY CLOSE OF BUSINESS WEDNESDAY AT THE LATEST. THAT WILL JUST GIVE US OF THIS UPCOMING A DAY AND A HALF TO GO THROUGH THIS NEW MATERIAL.

YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S NEED MORE TIME THAN THAT.

IT WOULD. BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN ALWAYS TABLE TO MARCH 7TH.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT READY WE CAN TABLE THEM TO THE NEXT OR HOW DO YOU.

YEAH I MEAN I DON'T THERE'S NO WAY TO MAKE THE MARCH 7TH DEADLINE OR THE NEXT WEDNESDAY.

OKAY. YEAH. WE CAN DO THE 21ST THEN.

I MEAN, IF YOU ASK ME, I WILL GET IT DONE.

BUT THEN I KNOW THE LOGISTICALLY THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE WHO DO THIS.

SO THE THEN I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO PUSH, YOU KNOW, MARCH 21ST AT A MINIMUM.

OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.

THAT WOULD BE THE WEEK AFTER SPRING BREAK HERE.

JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, IT'S NOT NOT DURING CARROLL SPRING BREAK, BUT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

AND THEN TAKE IT UP FROM THERE.

DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE ITEMS NUMBER SEVEN AND EIGHT AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO OUR MARCH 21ST, 2024 PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

OKAY COUNCILOR DENNIS, I'M ASSUMING IT'S OKAY TO TAKE THAT BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME ON THAT ONE.

OKAY. THIS IS A TABLE.

YES IT IS. OKAY, PERFECT.

WE HAVE A GOOD MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. LET'S VOTE PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT. PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR GRINDING IT OUT WITH US AND APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING OUT TONIGHT.

AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.