[2. SPIN2024-03 — An applicant is proposing a fifty-six (56) lot residential community with an office/commercial component located at 1535 Brumlow Ave. within SPIN Neighborhood #8.]

WITH THAT, LET ME GET TO OUR APPLICANT PRESENTATIONS.

MARTIN SCHELLING IS HERE TO PRESENT OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS SPIN 2024-03.

AN APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 56-LOT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WITH AN OFFICE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT LOCATED AT 1535 BRUMLOW AVENUE WITHIN SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 8.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARTIN SCHELLING.

I LIVE AT 2665 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD IN SOUTHLAKE 76092.

THANKS FOR COMING THIS EVENING.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

JUST TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE PROPERTY IS.

IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN PINK WITH THE DASH LINE AROUND IT.

IT'S ABOUT A HALF MILE NORTH OF 26, ON THE EAST SIDE OF BRUMLOW AND SOUTH OF CONTINENTAL.

YOU CAN SEE THE DRAINAGE THAT RUNS FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH THROUGH THE PROPERTY.

THEN THE CONTINENTAL COLLECTOR BRUMLOW.

THEN THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE SHOWS THE FUTURE LAND USES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA.

MEDIUM DENSITY TO THE NORTH, YOU'VE GOT A MIXED JUICE AND YOU'VE GOT MEDIUM DENSITY TO THE EAST, AND THEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING TONIGHT, THE MAGENTA COLOR, A LITTLE LIGHTER, THAT'S FRONTS ON CONTINENTAL AND BRUMLOW IS MIXED USE.

THE DARKER COLOR IS INDUSTRIAL.

THEN SOME OF THE ZONING THAT'S AROUND US, WE'RE ADJACENT TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO THE WEST.

THERE'S A TRANSITIONAL ZONING THAT'S IN TEALWOOD, AND THEN THERE'S A SP1, WHICH THAT WAS DEVELOPED AS A MIXED USE OR A FLEX SPACE PROJECT.

THEN TO OUR EAST, AGAIN, IT'S UNDER THE LAND USE PLAN AS INDUSTRIAL, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ZONE MANUFACTURED HOUSING.

THIS PARTICULAR PORTION IS THE MUSTANG BUSINESS PARK THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, CLOSE TO COMPLETION.

IT'S A LARGE PLATE INDUSTRIAL PROJECT.

THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED FUTURE CITY SERVICE CENTER.

LIKE I SAID, OUR PROJECT IS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE.

IT'S INDUSTRIAL AND MIXED USE.

IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURE.

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BUT IT'S OUR INTENTION TO BRING THIS APPLICATION THROUGH AND REZONE IT UNDER THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT.

IT'S THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT THAT TEALWOOD WAS ZONED UNDER.

ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF USES THAT ARE AROUND THIS PROPERTY.

YOU'VE GOT LOTS OF HEAVY USES.

YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL ON TWO SIDES, YOU'VE GOT MANUFACTURED HOUSING ON ONE SIDE.

IT'S A VERY TRANSITIONAL AREA WITH LOTS OF, AGAIN, VARIED USES.

WE THINK THAT THIS PROPERTY IS VERY APPROPRIATE FOR THE TZDS, TRANSITIONAL ZONING DISTRICT.

THE TRANSITIONAL ZONING DISTRICT CAME OUT OF THE 2025 PLANNING COMMITTEE AND WAS ONE OF THEIR GOALS TO HAVE A ZONING CATEGORY THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF PROPERTIES THAT WERE IN THIS TRANSITION.

THEN IT WAS IMPLEMENTED BY THE CITY BY ADOPTING THE ORDINANCE.

IT'S A LITTLE CLOSER VIEW.

THERE'S 56 RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN HERE PROPOSED.

THE AVERAGE SIZE IS 9,868.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF LARGE ESTATE LOTS ON THE EAST SIDE.

NEXT TO TEALWOOD, WE'VE GOT LOTS THAT ARE INCOMPARABLE IN SIZE.

THEY'RE 10,000 AND SOME SQUARE FEET, ABOUT THE SAME AS TEALWOOD.

THEN THE BALANCE OF THE LOTS ARE 50 BY 130S.

THEN ALSO IN THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT.

THAT'S AT THE SOUTHERN END OF IT.

THERE'S AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT FRONTS ON BRUMLOW, AND THERE IS FLEX SPACE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE TO THE EAST OF IT.

THE OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE APPROXIMATELY 9,700 SQUARE FEET AND THE BALANCE OF THE OFFICE FLEX BUILDINGS ARE 60,000 SQUARE FEET.

IN OUR DESIGN, THE REASON FOR THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS HERE IS THEY'LL BE OF A LOWER INTENSITY USE THAN THE CITY SERVICE CENTER.

THAT'S A BUFFER AND A TRANSITION FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

ALSO, THE PROJECT CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY 13 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE THAT YOU CAN SEE ON PRETTY MUCH RUNNING DOWN WHERE THAT CREEK CHANNEL IS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE TZ ZONING DISTRICT, THIS PIECE OF LAND FITS VERY WELL IN THE PREAMBLE AND WHAT THE ZONING DISTRICT WAS DEVELOPED FOR.

IT ADDRESSES A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

THEN OUR SITE PLAN IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TZ ZONING DISTRICT.

ONE OF THE ESSENTIAL PARTS IS IT'S MIXED USE, SO WE'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND WE'VE GOT OPEN SPACE.

IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, WE FEEL REALLY GOOD THAT THE LOTS ARE APPROPRIATELY SIZED FOR THE DIFFERENT USES THAT WE HAVE AROUND US.

I THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR A RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT LIKE THIS IN SOUTHLAKE.

WE'VE NOT HAD MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO BUY HIGH-QUALITY BUT SMALLER LOTS IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.

WE THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE AND WE THINK THE TIME IS RIGHT FOR A PRODUCT LIKE THIS.

THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS BEHIND THAT.

PART OF IT IS OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT.

ANYWAY, I THINK WE NEED SOME DIVERSITY AND SOME VARIETY.

WE THINK THIS AREA IS A GOOD FIT FOR A PRODUCT LIKE THIS.

I COULD GO ON, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO.

I'M GOING TO STOP. WE'LL TRY TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP THE QUESTIONS BETWEEN THE APPLICANT ATTENDEES.

IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING DOWN TO THE MICROPHONE AND ADDRESSING YOUR QUESTION, HE CAN RESPOND.

>> RYAN JACOBSON, WE LIVE AT 1218 WOODS.

FOR A FEW YEARS NOW, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN REALLY CURIOUS WHAT WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED HERE.

I'M ACTUALLY REALLY RELIEVED.

I ACTUALLY DO GIVE MY FULL SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT WORSE.

I'M ACTUALLY REALLY RELIEVED THAT IT'S GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL, FIRST OFF, BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL.

IT'S GREAT TO SEE THE CREEK AND ALL THIS GREEN SPACE IS GOING TO REMAIN.

THAT'S DEFINITELY A CONCERN FOR EVERYONE IN THIS AREA; IS THE DRAINAGE.

MY QUESTION IS, IS THE GREEN SPACE GOING TO BE PUBLIC FOR EVERYONE TO USE,

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OR IS IT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THOSE TWO LOTS ON THE EAST?

>> WE'VE NOT GOTTEN THAT FAR, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CITY WANTS TO TAKE IT ON AS PUBLIC OPEN SPACE AND PARK.

WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THE NATURE OF THAT.

>> GOT YOU. THEN THE LAND TO THE SOUTHEAST, IS THAT JUST GOING TO REMAIN OPEN GREEN SPACE FOREVER? BECAUSE THAT'S PARTIALLY FLOOD ZONE AREA.

I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT MIGHT BE DEVELOPED THERE IN THE FUTURE.

>> THE EAST OF THE BUILDINGS, COMMERCIAL BUILDING?

>> YEAH, JUST TO THE EAST.

>> NO. IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN.

>> BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WILDLIFE THAT GOES UP AND DOWN THAT STRETCH, SO MAKING SURE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO GET AROUND.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M ACTUALLY RELIEVED AND GRATEFUL OF THIS PROJECT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I'M DORIS GENHEAD 1207 [NOISE] LANSDOWNE COURT, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT THIS WILL CREATE ON BROWNLOW AND CONTINENTAL, AND THEN WHAT SIZE OF HOMES ARE THESE GOING TO BE? ARE THEY ZERO LOT LINE, THAT LOOKS VERY CROWDED, VERY COMPACT.

WHAT KIND OF PRICE RANGE ARE WE LOOKING AT, AND WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO TO THE PRICING VALUE OF THE HOMES AROUND IT?

>> THE LOTS THAT ARE ADJACENT ABOUT TWO WIDE, OR CURTIS IS IT 60' OR 70' WIDE?

>> SIXTY.

>> SIXTY FOOT WIDE, AND THEN WHEN YOU GET PAST TWO WIDE, WHAT BACKS UP TO HART AND THEN ALSO WHAT BACKS UP TO OUR COMMERCIAL.

THOSE ARE 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS BY 130.

TYPICALLY, PATIO IS NARROWER THAN THAT.

IT'S TYPICALLY A 40 FOOT PRODUCT.

OH, PRICING. GOSH, I WISH THEY COULD TELL YOU THEY WERE GOING TO BE, INEXPENSIVE.

BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT WE SEE IN SOUTH FLICK.

BUT WE'VE GOT THEM PROGRAMMED RIGHT NOW ABOUT 1.5 MILLION.

SORRY, [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE HOUSE, I THINK WE PUT A MINIMUM OF 3,000 3,000 AREA? YEAH. PROBABLY 33,500, THERE'LL BE SOME PEOPLE THAT'LL HAVE TO HAVE MORE.

BUT MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 3,000 [INAUDIBLE] I'M SORRY. YEAH, I'M AFRAID.

I WISH I COULD BRING HIM IN AT, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE AROUND 1 MILLION, BUT PARDON ME [INAUDIBLE]. OH, TRAFFIC.

WELL, THAT'S THE LAST GUY IN ALWAYS HAS TO ADDRESS SOMETHING.

IT'S EITHER DRAINAGE OR TRAFFIC.

FORTUNATELY, WE'RE NEXT TO A CHANNEL, SO OUR DRAINAGE GOES IN THERE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT REALLY SOMEBODY DOWNSTREAM.

IF WE DEVELOPED THIS ALL COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, WE COULD PROBABLY PUT ABOUT 180,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICE SLEX SPACE AND INDUSTRIAL IN THERE.

THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A TRAFFIC COUNT GENERATOR DAILY OF PROBABLY AT LEAST 3,000.

3,000 CARS A DAY MAYBE APPROACH 4,000 IF YOU JUST TAKE THE 56 LOTS.

AND YOU THINK ABOUT TRIP COUNT, HOW THESE ENGINEERS COUNT THIS, BUT IT'S A WORKING COUPLE, IT'S TWO OUT IN THE MORNING.

AND THEN TWO BACK IN THE EVENING.

YOU GO OUT TO DINNER ONE OR TWO OUT.

ANYWAY, YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU'RE GOING TO RUN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 7-9 TRIPS A DAY PER HOUSEHOLD, IN AND OUT.

SO LET'S JUST SAY IT'S TEN TIMES 56 THAT'S 560 TRIPS A DAY VERSUS IT'S GOING TO BE THREE OR 4,000 IF WE DEAL WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

SO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT.

WE COULD DO LOTS OF PRODUCTS.

WE COULD DO STUFF LIKE AT HART COURT, WHICH ARE SMALLER FLEX SPACE BUILDINGS.

WE COULD DO A BIGGER PLATE BUILDING.

WE DON'T THINK A BIGGER PLATE BUILDING FACING BROWNLOW IS A GOOD THING.

WE'VE GOT TIMON AND WE JUST DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SPOT.

BROWNLOW IN 2025 IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET IS FUNDED TO START THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS ON IT.

THE CITY'S FUNDED $2,000,000 TO DO THE ENGINEERING.

AND THEY GOT TO GET RIGHT AWAY AND ALL THAT.

IT'S PROGRAMMED RIGHT NOW TO BE FINISHED IN 2028.

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WHEN BROWNLOW BUILT TO THE ULTIMATE, WHEN THEY DID THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THEY CALCULATE ALL THE PROPERTY THAT'S AROUND IT AS FULLY DEVELOPED AND WHICH MEANS FULLY DEVELOPED AS WHATEVER THAT TRAFFIC BRINGS.

WHEN THE DRUM BUILT, IT WAS ENGINEERED AND DESIGNED TO HANDLE ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT'S AROUND HERE.

AND PROBABLY WAS ENGINEERED TO HANDLE INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ON THE LAND USE PLAN.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH CONTINENTAL BUT I DON'T SEE A LOT OF OUR TRAFFIC GOING THAT WAY. SOME WILL.

BUT YOU I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER ON CONTINENTAL.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PLAN IN THE NEAR TERM ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO EXPAND CONTINENTAL.

I CAN GET AN ANSWER ON THAT THOUGH.

>> THERE'S NO EXPANSION FROM WHAT I HEARD FROM HOFFMAN BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A RIGHT AWAY. LONG ENOUGH.

>> WELL, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TIMERAN DON'T WANT IT.

I MEAN, I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE THAT LIKE LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.

SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT TO EXPAND THE ROAD.

>> SO THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JERRY MCGRATH.

I'VE BEEN A SOUTH LAKE RESIDENT SINCE 1996.

SO I APPRECIATE THE SPIN AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY OF HEARING ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT PERSPECTIVE.

MY QUESTIONS WERE COMING TO YOU REGARDING THE TRAFFIC PATTERN.

THE ROTARY UP THERE AT BROWNLOW AND CONTINENTAL IS ALREADY A BIT OF A CHALLENGE WITH THE SCHOOL THERE AND FOLKS COMING OUT THROUGH THERE, AND THEN PEOPLE COMING UP FROM COLLYVILLE UP THROUGH BROWNLOW, UP INTO SOUTH LAKE AND GOING ACROSS CONTINENTAL.

SO, I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU ALL WERE AWARE OF ANY PLANS TO WIDEN CONTINENTAL.

I THINK I UNDERSTAND BROWNLOW, BUT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, A COUPLE OF DECADES AGO, MAYOR STACEY TRIED TO TALK THE CITY INTO WIDENING CONTINENTAL AND THAT WAS NOT WARMLY RECEIVED AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT WARMLY RECEIVED AGAIN.

AND SO I WAS CURIOUS AS TO YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT CONTINENTAL BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO GET FOLKS OUT OF THERE EITHER ON CONTINENTAL OR ON BROWNLOW.

>> YEAH, THE MAJORITY OF OUR TRAFFIC IS GOING TO COME OUT ON BROWNLOW.

THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT I'LL GET TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT CONTINENTAL, BUT IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THEY DID FOR MUSTANG BUSINESS PARK, THEY NOT ONLY STUDIED 26 AND THE MUSTANG INTERSECTION, BUT THEY ALSO STUDIED BROWNLOW IN CONTINENTAL, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE ROUNDABOUT AND 26.

THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY RECOMMENDED THAT THERE WOULD BE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT GETS REALLY CONGESTED WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.

THEY HAVE NOT DECIDED THAT YET IT COULD POSSIBLY GO AT THIS INTERSECTION.

WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE ROUNDABOUT, IT ENDS UP BEING TOO CLOSE TO THE ROUNDABOUT TO FUNCTION PROPERLY.

SO I KNOW IN THE REPORT THEY SAID THAT THERE SHOULD BE A LIGHT IN THERE.

THEY'VE NOT DETERMINED WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO YET.

AGAIN, AS FAR AS CONTINENTAL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A POPULAR ROAD THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO EXPAND.

>> YEAH, THAT'S MY HOPE AS WELL.

BUT ANYWAY, I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TO HEAR ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSES AND THE TARGET PRICING AS WELL.

I CAME HERE FOR INFORMATION ONLY, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDID. YOU'RE ON THE WELCOME.

BUT ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO HELP US UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC FLOWS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE PRETTY APPRECIATED BY EVERYBODY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. WELL, I MOVED HERE IN '91 AND I'VE ATTENDED A LOT OF THOSE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND SEEN A LOT OF THE THE CONCERN ABOUT OUR ROADS.

THE GOOD NEWS IS SOUTH LAKE IS FISCALLY VERY SOUND AND WE CONTINUE TO METHODICALLY IMPROVE ROADS, WHICH YOU JUST CAN'T IMPROVE THEM ALL AT ONCE BECAUSE IT TAKES TOO MUCH DOUGH, BUT THE CITY HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO MANAGE THE TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE.

>> YEAH. BUT IF YOU REMEMBER RIGHT, IN THE LATE '90S WE HAD TO PUSH BACK ON MAYOR STACEY ON HIS AMBITIOUS PLANS FOR, CONDOW.

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT AGAIN?

>> YEP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> SCOTT DYKE, SOUTH LAKE RESIDENT SINCE 2002.

FORMER ZONING COMMISSIONER.

AND I APOLOGIZE, I GOT HELD UP IN TRAFFIC.

SO IF I'M ASKING A QUESTION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED, HOW BIG IS THE FLOODPLAIN?

>> WELL, THAT OPEN SPACE IS 13 ACRES.

>> SO REALLY? WHEN YOU SAY 56 LOTS, YOU'RE TALKING 56 LOTS ON 12 ACRES, YOUR DENSITY IS NOT TWO PER ACRE, IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THAT.

WITHOUT DOING THE MATH QUICKLY IN MY HEAD, THIS IS NOT A PLAN THAT'S GOING TO PASS THE ZONING COMMISSION.

IT'S TOO DENSE.

WILLOW TREE WAS TOO DENSE.

THIS IS TOO DENSE I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT THIS AGAIN AND PUT A LOT LESS UNITS IN PLACE.

THAT'S ALSO GOING TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AS SOMEONE WHO DRIVES CONTINENTAL AND BROWNLOW DAILY.

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CONTINENTAL'S A DISASTER AT RUSH HOURS AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN AWFUL LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN OFF CONTINENTAL, WHETHER BROWNLOW'S INTENDED TO BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE OR NOT.

SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO WORK OUT WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND TO WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF PRIOR TO GOING TO ZONING COMMISSION, BECAUSE AS IS, I DON'T THINK IT WORKS. OKAY.

>> I DULY NOTED.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MARTIN DUMAS. 906 SOUTH HOLLOW COURT, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. BEEN HERE SINCE 97.

I AGREE WITH A LOT.

WHAT'S BEING SAID, IT'S NICE THAT WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL OPTION HERE.

I WAS HERE WHEN WE DID TILWOOD, AND TILWOOD, A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE.

YOU HAD A REALLY SMALL LOT, NOT A LOT TO DO WITH IT.

WE PREFERRED IT TO BE RESIDENTIAL OVER INDUSTRIAL.

WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WIDTH OF THE LOTS THERE AND TRYING TO COMPARE THEM TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE, YOU'RE STILL A LOT NARROWER AND THOSE WERE TINY AT THE TIME.

I THINK FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT, I'M GOING ECHO WHAT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER JUST SAID.

ACTUALLY, I WAS JUST DOWN IN HOUSTON, UNFORTUNATELY.

MAY BE LOOKING AT HOMES DOWN THERE AS WE'RE DRIVING AROUND THROUGH THE WOODLANDS EVEN, WHICH IS ONE OF YOUR NICER AREAS.

THIS IS WHAT WE SAW.

IT JUST DIDN'T, SOUTH LAKE.

AND SO, ACTUALLY, I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT WE NEED THIS FOR I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING LIKE THE DIVERSITY OF OUR SCHOOLS.

WHAT WAS THAT POINT.

I SAID SOME VARIETY.

VARIETY AND DIVERSITY. BUT FOR WHAT STANDPOINT? WELL DIVERSITY IN A HOME PRODUCT, NOT DIVERSITY IN THE SCHOOLS, DIVERSITY IN THE HOMES INSTEAD OF A HALF ACRE OR ONE ACRE LOTS.

I THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR A PRODUCT LIKE THIS.

>> I UNDERSTOOD TEALWOOD, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD TRY TO CRAM SO MANY ON A SPACE LIKE THAT.

MY FEAR IS IT SETS OF PRECEDENCE WITHIN SOUTHLAKE THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THESE LOTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TRANSITIONAL AREAS THAT IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS DID GO THROUGH, THEN WE'RE GOING TO START HAVING A LOT MORE OF THESE, WHICH, YOU'VE BEEN IN SOUTHLAKE FOREVER, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE SOUTHLAKE.

THEN FOR THE GREEN SPACE, THAT'S A SWAMP LAND RIGHT NOW.

THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO KEEP IT GREEN, WHICH IS NICE THAT WE DO SOMETHING WITH IT TO MAKE IT DRAIN PROPERLY.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PUT A POND IN THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULDN'T UTILIZE THAT PROPERLY.

IF IT'S PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, TURNING IT INTO SOMETHING THAT IS FUNCTIONAL TO GET THE WATER OUT OF THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE YOU STUDIED THAT YET?

>> YEAH. IT'S NEVER BEEN IMPROVED.

IT'S THE CREEK CHANNEL THAT'S BEEN THERE BEFORE.

A COUPLE OF HUNDRED YEARS, THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANYTHING DONE WITH IT.

ALL THEY DO IS RUN COWS ON IT, SO THEY MAY NEED TO IMPROVE IT OR MAKE IT LOOK NICE.

>> MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT AS THIS IS DONE, LOT SIZES GET BIGGER, MAYBE QUARTER ACRE LOTS, AND THEN THAT AREA GETS MANAGED TO WHERE IT IS A TRUE GREEN SPACE THAT CAN EITHER BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE NEARBY, AND IS NO LONGER A SWAMP LAND, WHICH WOULD BE FANTASTIC, I THINK, FOR ALL OF US.

>> YEAH, IT'LL BE FUNCTIONAL OPEN SPACE.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> HI. LORI SCHNEIDER.

WE LIVE IN TIMARRON RIGHT ACROSS.

SO WE DEAL WITH BRUMLOW EVERY DAY, WHICH I JUST WANT TO ECHO LAST, TOO.

I LIKE THE CONCEPT.

I'M JUST NOT IF THE DENSITY AND IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY, WE'RE ALL REASONABLY INTELLIGENT.

WE KNOW WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS THAT IT'S REALLY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE TWO BIG ONE ACRE THINGS.

THOSE ARE TINY LOTS.

SO WHEN YOU SAY AVERAGE, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY THE AVERAGE, AND THAT'S GOING TO CREATE A NIGHTMARE.

SO Y'ALL DO REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS, AND I DON'T WANT THE PRECEDENCE ALSO FOR SOUTHLAKE.

ADDITIONAL QUESTION, WILL THERE BE EXIT AND ENTRANCE ON THE CONTINENTAL SIDE OR WILL THAT BE CLOSED OFF? THAT ROAD THAT GOES UP THERE?

>> THE ROAD THAT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH? NO, IT'LL GO OUT ON CONTINENTAL.

>> OKAY. SO DO THEY HAVE PLANS ALSO? YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE MAYBE A STOP LIGHT OR SOMETHING OUT THE BRUMLOW SIDE.

WILL THERE ALSO BE SOMETHING ON CONTINENTAL?

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>> NO. WHEN THEY DID A TRAFFIC STUDY, THEY INCLUDED THE ROUNDABOUT AT CONTINENTAL AND BRUMLOW, BUT IT DIDN'T INCLUDE CONTINENTAL.

>> OKAY. I'M SURE YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN DOWN AND MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T, BUT IT'S BACKED ALL THE WAY UP TO KIMBALL EVERY SINGLE AFTERNOON, SO I DON'T EVEN SEE HOW PEOPLE CAN EVEN GET OUT OF THERE.

THAT'S JUST A CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHERS?

>> REAL QUICK QUESTION. THE TWO LOTS YOU HAVE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, WHAT ARE THOSE AND HOW DO THEY ACCESS THOSE?

>> THE LOT THAT'S ON THE NORTH, IT'LL BE A PRIVATE DRIVE THAT'LL ACCESS THAT LOT.

THE LOT THAT'S ON THE SOUTH, DO YOU SEE THE LIGHTER GREEN GOING ACROSS THE GREEN SPACE, THE OPEN SPACE? THAT WILL BE A BOX CULVERT AND A PRIVATE ROAD THAT WILL GO TO THAT LOT.

>> GOOD. I'M SHERRY BERMAN, 818 PARKDALE DRIVE.

I'M DOWN IN TIMBER LAKE, SO I'M AT THE OTHER SIDE, BUT I USE CONTINENTAL A LOT AND I'M ON RUMBLE A LOT, AND I AGREE WITH THE TRAFFIC.

PERSONALLY, I WAS HOPING THAT A DOG PARK WOULD GO IN ON THIS LAND, BUT I GUESS THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.

[LAUGHTER]

>> WE GOT BOO BOO BUDDIES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN.

>> THAT'S NOT A GREAT DOG PARK.

JOE WRIGHT'S LAND ALL ACROSS, HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT? JOE WRIGHT'S LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BRUMLOW?

>> YES.

>> HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT?

>> THEY BOUGHT THE STOW PIECE, PROBABLY 15 NOW.

I THINK IT WAS 12, AND THEN I THINK WANDA STOW HAD THREE ACRES, SO I THINK THERE'S 15 ACRES OVER THERE.

>> OKAY. THE BIGGEST CONCERN, THE LOTS ARE TOO SMALL.

I AGREE WITH THIS LADY IN THE SENSE THAT THE MEASUREMENTS ARE IN IN THE OPEN SPACE.

IF YOU ALLOW THIS, THEN YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THAT PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S INDUSTRIAL AND IT'S MIXED USE AND IT'S MORE OF A PROBLEM, AND YOU ARE THE LAST ONE IN, BUT I THINK YOU'VE KNOWN THAT FOR A LONG TIME.

MY CONCERN IS IF YOU LET THIS IN WITH THIS SIZE LOTS, THEN ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES, IT'S GOING TO ALLOW IT INTO OTHER PLACES AND THEN THAT STARTS TO AFFECT OUR POPULATION.

EVERYBODY SAID WE NEED TO KEEP IT.

I CAME FROM MARIETTA, GEORGIA, AND I DIDN'T THINK THEY COULD BUILD ANYMORE WHEN WE LIVED THERE.

LET ME TELL YOU, EVERY NOOK AND CRANNY IS BUILT AND THE TRAFFIC IS A MESS.

SOUTHLAKE HAS ALWAYS HAD HIGHER STANDARDS, AND I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO STICK TO THOSE STANDARDS, BUT I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT.

>> I'LL COMMENT ON THAT.

MRS. WRIGHT STILL LIVES ON THE PROPERTIES, THAT'S THE OLD HOMESTEAD.

IT'S ON THE LAND USE PLAN AS MEDIUM DENSITY.

IF YOU WERE GOING TO GO IN THERE AND DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T DO 20,000.

YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING SMALLER AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU CREATE SOME NICE OPEN SPACE AND DON'T JUST SAY, LET ME JUST DO 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND DON'T PUT ANY OPEN SPACE IN THERE, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO AMEND THE LAND USE PLAN AND IT'S MEDIUM DENSITY AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO GO VERY FAR.

LET'S JUST SAY THIS WAS ZONE MEDIUM DENSITY, IT'D BE A MISTAKE BETWEEN ALL THE STUFF THAT'S AROUND THERE. WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.

IT'S TOO BIG A BITE FOR THE COUNCIL TO TAKE, FOR THE CITIZENS TO TAKE TO CHANGE MEDIUM DENSITY.

I FIND THIS REALLY CURIOUS BECAUSE I WAS ON THE 2025 COMMITTEE WHEN WE DID THIS.

THIS IS THE PREAMBLE.

THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT IS ESTABLISHED TO IMPLEMENT THE FOLLOWING GOALS OF SOUTHLAKE 2025 COMMITTEE PHASE 1.

THE PROMOTION OF QUALITY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO AN OVERALL SENSE OF PLACE IN COMMUNITY, QUALITY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE CORNERSTONE TO OUR COMMUNITY, QUALITY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE WELL DESIGNED TO MAINTAIN ATTRACTIVE, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND SAFE.

THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE TCCD IMPLEMENTS THE FOLLOWING GOALS OF THE SOUTHLAKE 2025.

THE CREATION OF TRANSITIONAL LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT PROVIDE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH ALTERNATIVE FLEXIBLE TOOLS TO PROPOSE INNOVATIVE, MIXED USE PROJECTS IDENTIFIED TRANSITION SITES WHILE PROTECTING EXISTING DEVELOPED PROPERTIES.

TRANSITION SITES ARE THOSE THAT ARE ADJACENT TO PROPERTY USED OR ZONED FOR

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NON-RESIDENTIAL USES OR ARTERIAL ROADWAYS AND ARE ALSO ADJACENT TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE HIT EVERY BUTTON THERE.

AGAIN, IF IT WAS MEDIUM DENSITY, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.

BUT WHY THIS ORDINANCE WAS CREATED AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S WHY THAT ORDINANCE WAS CREATED, AND LIKE IT OR NOT, THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT FITS THAT ORDINANCE LIKE IT OUGHT TO.

>> SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO ASK FOR ANY VARIANCES OR ANYTHING ON THIS BECAUSE IT FITS EVERYTHING?

>> OH, I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE SUBMITTED AND WE'VE GOT COMMENTS, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING.

IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING TO COME UP, RIGHT?

>> YEAH.

>> BUT THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT ALSO SAYS THAT THE COUNCIL AND PNC HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN ENFORCING THE ACTUAL HARD RULES OF THIS ZONING ORDINANCE.

MOST OF THE TIME, AND I'LL SAY TEALWOOD, AND I THINK TEALWOOD TURNED OUT REALLY GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT MIXED USE.

THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE COMPONENT IN TRANSITIONAL ZONING AND IT ALSO SAYS OPEN SPACE.

WELL, THERE'S A LITTLE OPEN SPACE IN THERE.

THE COUNCIL ELECTED THAT THAT WAS ZONED INDUSTRIAL.

IF IT WENT INDUSTRIAL, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WOULDN'T GO UP AND DOWN HEART COURT IN THAT AND PUT INDUSTRIAL THERE OURSELVES.

BUT IT DIDN'T, IT WENT RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WE'RE HAPPY WITH THAT.

THEY HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO MANIPULATE THE ORDINANCE.

>> OKAY. TRAFFIC'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE.

>> I UNDERSTAND, AND I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO IT.

BUT AGAIN, THE LAST GUY TO DEVELOP IS ALWAYS THE BAD GUY.

[LAUGHTER] AT LEAST THERE'S SOME RELIEF IN SIGHT FOR BRUMLOW.

WE PROBABLY WON'T DELIVER A LOT IN THIS SUBDIVISION FOR 24 MONTHS.

IT MIGHT BE LONGER THAN THAT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE US THAT LONG TO GET THROUGH ALL THE ENGINEERING AND THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO.

IF WE GET THROUGH THE COUNCIL IN 2020, PROBABLY THE EARLIEST WE START HOUSES IN 2026, IF THE CITY'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BUILD BRUMLOW, AND IT'S DONE IN 2028, AT APPEARS TO BE SOME RELIEF IN SIGHT. I DON'T HEAR WELL.

>> MA'AM, COULD YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> SORRY.

>> THE ANSWER SEEMED TO BE A LITTLE INVASIVE, SO IT WAS TROUBLING ME.

THAT WOULD APPEAR TO BE THEN HIGH DENSITY.

THE WAY THIS IS LAID OUT WOULD BE CONSIDERED HIGH DENSITY.

YOU SAID IF IT WAS MEDIUM DENSITY, YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE AT ALL.

IT'S NOT LOW DENSITY, THAT I KNOW.

>> NO. I MEANT IF ON THE LAND USE PLAN THIS WAS DESIGNATED AS MEDIUM DENSITY, WE WOULD NOT BE BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

THIS IS ON THE LAND USE PLAN AS INDUSTRIAL AND MIXED USE.

SO YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SAY THAT THIS IS A DOWN ZONING WITH THIS PRODUCT BECAUSE THE INDUSTRIAL IS MUCH MORE INTENSE AND IT HAS A HIGHER IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, THE TRAFFIC IS MUCH MORE INTENSE.

I SAY THAT THAT IF IT DIDN'T HAVE THAT LAND USE DESIGNATION, WHICH IS A MUCH HIGHER INTENSITY USE IN RESIDENTIAL, WE WOULD NOT BE COMING HERE BECAUSE IT'D BE A LAND USE CHANGE FROM MEDIUM DENSITY TO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'D CHANGE IT TO, INDUSTRIAL OR MIXED USE.

>> INDEPENDENT OF THAT, THIS BUILD OUT WOULD BE CONSIDERED HIGH DENSITY.

>> CAN YOU BUILD ON A GREEN SPACE?

>> I'M SORRY.

>> CAN YOU BUILD ON THE GREEN SPACE? CAN ANYTHING BE BUILT ON THAT GREEN SPACE, EVER? FORGET YOUR PLAN, WHATEVER.

>> WELL, I'D HAVE TO CHANNELIZE IT.

I'M NOT CHANNELIZING, I'M LEAVING IT OPEN.

BUT YEAH, I COULD BUILD ON IT.

I COULD PUT A CONCRETE CHANNEL DOWN THROUGH THERE AND THEN I COULD PARK ON IT AND I COULD PUT INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS ANYWHERE I WANT.

I COULD NOT PUT A BUILDING OVER TOP OF A BOX CULVERT.

BUT I COULD BUILD PARKING LOT OVER IT.

>> WHEN YOU CALCULATE DENSITY THEN, SO YOU'RE SAYING HE'S INCORRECT ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU CALCULATE THE DENSITY THAT YOU'RE USING THE WHOLE SPACE?

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CORRECT? WHEN YOU SAY IT'S 2.17.

>> THAT IS THE REGULATION IN THE TRANS-ZONING DISTRICT ORDINANCE, THAT THAT'S HOW YOU CALCULATE YOUR DENSITY.

WHEN YOU DO A MIXED USE, THEN YOU GET TO AMORTIZE YOUR LOTS OVER THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. IN THE SLIDE [OVERLAPPING]

>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE WHERE YOU SHOW THAT?

>> I CAN. THERE WE GO.

>> NO, ONE MORE DOWN.

SO 56 LOTS ON 25 ACRES?

>> YEAH. THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS IT.

THIS IS AMORTIZING THE 56 LOTS OVER ALL THE BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY MINUS THE COMMERCIAL, AND IT ENDS UP BEING 2.18.

IF YOU AMORTIZE IT THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS, OVER THE ENTIRE 32 ACRES, IT'S 1.71 UNITS, TWO ACRE.

THAT'S HOW THE ORDINANCE READS.

NOW, DO WE NORMALLY CALCULATE IT THIS WAY? TYPICALLY, WE DO.

>> YOU SAID YOUR AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS AROUND 9,000 SOMETHING AND THAT'S INCLUDING THE TWO.

>> YEAH, 9,968.

>> THAT INCLUDES THE TWO LARGER ONES OVER ON THE EAST SIDE?

>> IT DOES.

>> OKAY. ALL THE ONES WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE HIGH DENSITY, THAT AVERAGES AROUND 8,000 OR SO.

I'LL JUST SAY CLEARLY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I HATE THAT.

JUST FROM THE CITY'S STANDPOINT, THAT'S NOT SOUTHLAKE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT GROWING UP IN SOUTHLAKE.

THAT ADDS MORE TRAFFIC AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC WHEN THIS OTHER LOT GETS DEVELOPED, AND I THINK AS SHE WAS SAYING FROM GEORGIA, YOU FILL EVERY NOOK AND CRANNY.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT TRAFFIC ISSUES WHICH ARE GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT RELIEVED BY BRUMLOW, BUT WE'RE OUTGROWING OUR STREETS AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GROW CONTINENTAL.

WE KNOW IT. I WOULD STRONGLY HOPE WE WOULD CUT THE NUMBER OF HOUSES BACK SIGNIFICANTLY IN THIS PROPOSAL.

>> I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT WHILE YOU'RE TECHNICALLY CORRECT ON WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS FOR HOW YOU CALCULATE THIS, THE ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOT BOUND BY THAT.

THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT BOUND BY THAT.

WHAT YOU'RE REALLY DOING HERE IS PUTTING 56 LOTS ON 12 ACRES.

I REALLY THINK THAT TECHNICALLY CORRECT, IT'S SOMEWHAT SPINNING HERE. [OVERLAPPING].

>> I UNDERSTAND.

>> I KNOW, I'M A DEVELOPER.

I'VE REPRESENTED DEVELOPERS FOR 40 YEARS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

BUT THE OTHER THING I WOULD REALLY QUESTION HERE, THIS IS NOT THE PURVEY OF WHAT THE CITY LOOKS AT, BUT IS WHATEVER MARKET STUDY THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS DONE HERE TO SHOW THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO SPEND A MILLION AND A QUARTER, WHATEVER YOUR RANGE OF HOUSING PRICES IS FOR THIS PRODUCT BACKED UP TO INDUSTRIAL AND LESS THAN 1,000 YARDS AWAY FROM A JET FUEL FACILITY.

WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS A FAILED PROJECT.

IF I WERE BETTING, IF I WERE INVESTING, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SEE HERE.

THAT SAID, NOT MY MONEY, BUT I THINK AS A WHOLE THE CITY DOESN'T WANT THAT.

I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU GUYS COULD COME BACK WITH A LESS DENSE PLAN THAT IS MORE ATTRACTIVE TO ALL THE CONSTITUENTS. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> MA'AM, COULD YOU USE THE MICROPHONE AS WELL? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WHERE IS TEALWOOD, PLEASE ON THE MAP.

>> TEALWOOD?

>> YEAH, TEALWOOD.

>> CAN YOU SEE THAT MOUSE?

>> THANK YOU.

>> YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

>> HI, MY NAME IS KRISTEN DONOVAN AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SOUTHLAKE AND I'M JUST CURIOUS.

WE'VE MENTIONED THE WRIGHT FAMILY AND WE'VE MENTIONED YOU AS A DEVELOPER CAN PUT WHATEVER YOU WANT ON THAT LAND.

BUT WHO IS CHOOSING TO DO THIS? IS IT THE WRIGHT FAMILY? BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY STILL OWN ALL OF THIS PROPERTY, OR IS THIS LIKE THEY'VE ALREADY SOLD IT TO A DEVELOPER AND THAT'S WHO YOU REPRESENT? IF THAT'S AN INAPPROPRIATE QUESTION, I APOLOGIZE.

I'M NEW TO THIS PROCESS.

>> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY SECRETS.

BEFORE JOE WRIGHT PASSED, WHICH HAS BEEN FOUR YEARS AGO NOW, I WORKED FOR JOE FOR 19 YEARS AND I HANDLED HIS REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.

WE BUILT PLUS MINUS 2,500 LOTS IN SOUTHLAKE,

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KELLER, GRAPEVINE, COLLEYVILLE.

WE DID A COUPLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS. JOE PASSED.

THIS PROPERTY IS STILL IN THE WRIGHT FAMILY, SO BECAUSE OF MY RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, I'M A PARTNER IN THE PROJECT.

I'LL BE TAKING LEAD ON IT, BUT IT'S JUST THEIR FAMILY AND ME.

THAT'S THE PARTNERSHIP. YEAH.

>> ANY OTHERS? PLEASE COME DOWN.

>> HI. DO I HAVE TO STATE MY ADDRESS OR ANYTHING? I JUST I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS, BUT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THE CITY WAS NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH BRUMLOW YET UNTIL 2028.

HAVE THERE BEEN INSTANCES IN THE PAST WHERE THE CITY HAS REQUIRED DEVELOPERS TO GO AHEAD AND FRONT-LOAD THE BILL FOR SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD DO LATER, THROUGH SOME TYPE OF REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THAT MANY HOMES IN THAT AREA BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE ROADWAYS YET BECAUSE YOU'RE WAITING ON THE CITY.

I WOULD IMAGINE THERE WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TAKING CARE OF THE ROADWAY AND LOOKING AT A REIMBURSEMENT BACK TO THE CITY.

>> YEAH. TYPICALLY, WHEN THE DEVELOPER COMES IN AND BUILDS A ROAD, THEY'RE DOING THAT THROUGH UNDER EARNED CREDIT AND TYPICALLY THAT'S DONE WITH RETAIL.

YOU'VE THE VALOREM TAXES PLUS YOUR SALES TAXES IS HOW THAT NORMALLY GETS DONE.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE IN TOWN.

CARILLON IS BEING BUILT AND THERE'S AN ARRANGEMENT THERE WHERE THE CITY IS PUTTING SOME MONEY UP-FRONT AND THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD WHITE CHAPEL THROUGH THE LENGTH OF THE CARILLON PROJECT.

THERE'S A PARTNERSHIP THERE.

WE DON'T REALLY QUALIFY TO RECEIVE ANY CREDITS FROM THEM.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GENERATE ANY SALES TAX.

WE'LL CREATE A LOT OF AD VALOREM TAX.

BUT TYPICALLY IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS, NO, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

>> HI, I'M PATTY YEAGER.

I LIVE ON VINO ROSSO, JUST NORTH OF HERE.

ONE THING I'M DISAPPOINTED ON THE WIDTH, HOW CRAMMED IN THE LOTS ARE.

I MOVED HERE FROM ILLINOIS AND WE HAD 40 FOOT WIDE BY 120 FOOT LOTS, BUT WE HAD ALLEYS GOING DOWN THE BACK.

THE WIDTH OF THE LOTS WITH SOMEBODY HAVING A DRIVEWAY, IT'S JUST SUPER DENSE.

I ALSO WOULD ECHO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HERE SAID ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IS REALLY BAD ON BRUMLOW, AND IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN THERE DURING AN INTENSE DOWNFALL OR DOWNPOUR, THAT WHOLE AREA FLOODS.

IT'S JUST A LAKE.

YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING OVER THAT, THAT YOU COULD BUILD ON THAT AREA, THAT WATER AREA?

>> WELL, I COULD IF I WANTED TO GO THROUGH AND PUT A BOX CULVERT IN THERE.

>> WHERE'S THE WATER GOING TO GO? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE DRAINAGE SITUATION? BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO FLOOD EVERYONE AROUND IT.

IT'S GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE.

>> WELL, I'M NOT BEING SMART, BUT I WOULD HIRE AN ENGINEER WHO WOULD KNOW WHAT SIZE TO BUILD THE BOX.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT IT WOULD BE A MULTI-BARREL BOX THAT WOULD GO DOWN THROUGH THERE AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A FLOOD STUDY AND FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH VOLUME OF WATER'S COMING, AND THEN THEY WOULD SIZE THE BOX AND IT WOULD STAY TOTALLY ENCLOSED IN THE BOX.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, BUT WE COULD DO IT.

>> I JUST WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO BACK AND MAKE IT LESS DENSE.

I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP IT.

MY OTHER CONCERN IS THAT THE RETAIL AREA, THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED IN THAT JUST NORTH ON BRUMLOW, THERE'S OF LOT OF EMPTY REAL ESTATE.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BUILT ON SPEC, SOME OF THE STORAGE PLACES, AND I KNOW OFF OF CROOKED LANE AS WELL.

I'M JUST DRIVING AROUND.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 10 YEARS AND I'M JUST LIKE, OH, ANOTHER EMPTY BUILDING FOR RENT.

ANOTHER ONE. YOU JUST PLOWED OVER MORE.

THERE'S JUST MORE AND MORE CONCRETE AND EMPTY BUILDINGS.

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SOMEONE ELSE HERE SAID, I WOULD HATE FOR THIS TO BE DEVELOPED.

WE DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT THIS.

DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH THESE HOUSES WOULD GO FOR? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE MILLION DOLLAR HOMES, I TAKE IT. OR MAYBE.

>> ONE-AND-A-HALF.

>> ONE-AND-A-HALF, OKAY.

STARTER FAMILY, I GUESS.

[LAUGHTER] I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO BACK AND RETHINK THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I'D LIKE TO JUST COMMENT AGAIN.

I MOVED HERE IN 1992.

WE MOVED HERE FROM KELLER BEFORE THAT.

WHEN WE WERE HERE, THERE WAS NO ONE HERE.

THERE WAS 4,000 PEOPLE, A DAIRY QUEEN.

I'VE WITNESSED THE TRAFFIC INCREASE OVER THE DECADES.

IT'S JUST PART OF THE GROWTH OF SOUTH LAKE.

I MOVED MY FAMILY BACK HERE LAST YEAR TO WOODSEY COURT, AND AT THE BOTTOM OF WOODSEY COURT, A HOME SOLD FOR 2.2 MILLION.

THERE IS DESIRE FOR EXPENSIVE HOMES IN THIS AREA, EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE MIGHT THINK DIFFERENTLY.

I DEFINITELY KNOW THAT THIS PRODUCT WILL SELL.

I DESIGN HOMES FOR A LIVING.

THIS IS NEEDED IN SOUTH LAKE 1.5 MILLION FOR A BRAND NEW HOME IN SOUTH LAKE, THEY'RE GOING TO PRESELL.

LIVING ON WOODSEY FOR THE LAST YEAR, THERE'S 30 HOMES ON THAT STREET AND I HARDLY EVER SEE ANOTHER CAR ON THAT STREET WITH ME.

TO SAY THAT ADDING 60 HOMES IS GOING TO ADD SUCH A HUGE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, TO ME IS SILLY.

YES, THE TRAFFIC IS BAD BETWEEN 5:00 PM-6:00 PM.

WE KNOW THAT, WE TYPICALLY JUST GO RIGHT AND JUST GO BUST A U TURN SOMEWHERE IF YOU HAVE TO. IT IS WHAT IT IS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MOVED TO MY TOWN FROM WHEN IT WAS 4, 5,000 PEOPLE TO NOW 30,000.

I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT AND FAIR FOR US TO BE TELLING SOMEONE THAT'S HAD THIS LAND FOR DECADES WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH IT IF IT'S WITHIN THEIR RIGHT OF THE DENSITY, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

BECAUSE THEY ARE GIVING A LOT OF GREEN SPACE BACK, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I AM THRILLED ABOUT BACKING UP TO THIS PRODUCT, AND EVERYONE'S DRAINAGE GOES ONTO HIS PROPERTY, AND IT'S BEEN DOING THAT FOR DECADES.

MY BIGGEST FEAR IS IF WE PUSH BACK, THEN HE'S WITHIN HIS LEGAL RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD TO PUT AN INDUSTRIAL PARK BACK THERE.

THEN I'M GOING TO BE REALLY PISSED AND THEY CAN ENGINEER THAT TO DO THAT.

THAT'S WHY I WANT THIS TO WORK.

>> LET'S HAVE SIDE YOUR CONVERSATIONS LATER.

>> I'M SORRY. MY QUESTION WOULD BE TO THE RESIDENT, YOU WOULDN'T LACK THAT BETTER IF IT WAS LOWER DENSITY.

>> I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT WOULDN'T HURT IF IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LOWER DENSITY.

MY CONCERN IS IF THE NUMBERS DON'T WORK.

WHERE THEN THEY CAN'T SELL A DEVELOPER WITH A HOME BUILDER WHERE THE NUMBERS DON'T MAKE SENSE ON THE LOTS.

THEN LATER ON IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO GO INDUSTRIAL.

>> WELL, SO YOU WERE HERE WHEN TEALWOOD WAS DOING THIS, AND THEY THREATENED THAT TO US TOO THEN.

THEY HAD A LOT MORE DENSITY IN THAT AREA.

IT LOOKED MORE LIKE WHAT HE WAS SHOWING HERE.

LUCKILY, CITY COUNCIL WENT IN AND THE TEALWOOD WOULD ONE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A FAIR EXAMPLE TO TRY TO USE TEALWOOD AS OUR COMPARISON.

TEALWOOD WAS A VERY SPECIAL USE FIRST CASE THING.

WE HAVE THIS LITTLE LOT HERE, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH IT? I THINK ALL THE RESIDENTS AROUND OBVIOUSLY PREFER RESIDENTIAL.

CITY COUNCIL DID A GREAT JOB OF MAKING IT AS BIG AS POSSIBLE AND REASONABLE, BUT IT WILL SELL.

I'VE BEEN TO HOUSTON AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WILL DO THIS.

IT SCARES ME. IT TRULY SCARES ME.

BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED IN OUR CITY, SMALLER FROM THE HOUSE TO THE EDGE OF THE LOT, WHAT IS THE REQUESTED WIDTH THAT YOU'RE GIVING THERE?

>> THE SIDE YARD SETBACK?

>> THE SIDE YARD SET BACK, YEAH.

>> FIVE FEET ON THE 50S AND SIX ON THE 70 OR 60S.

>> 5 AND 6 FEET, SO 10 FEET BETWEEN HOUSES, 10-12 FEET BETWEEN HOUSES.

I WOULD HOPE I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF YOU WOULDN'T WANT LOWER DENSITY, BUT I THINK YOUR POINT IS WE'D RATHER HAVE RESIDENTIAL THAN INDUSTRIAL, CORRECT? AS FEW HOUSES AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE IT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SAID TO TEALWOOD TOO, AND THAT'S WHAT WE RELY ON CITY COUNCIL TO HELP US WITH.

>> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT THAT WAS SENT IN ELECTRONICALLY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO READ.

I HAVE LIVED IN MY HOME, WHICH IS JUST OFF OF CONTINENTAL AVENUE IN THE SOUTH HOLLOW NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 20 PLUS YEARS.

PLEASE DO NOT ADD ANY MORE HOMES OR BUSINESSES THAT WOULD ADD ANY MORE TRAFFIC TO CONTINENTAL AVENUE.

THE TRAFFIC ON CONTINENTAL IS ALREADY VERY BAD AND VERY DANGEROUS.

THERE ARE OFTEN FRUSTRATED DRIVERS DARTING IN AND OUT, AND RECENTLY, SOME PEOPLE MUST HAVE MOVED HERE FROM OUTSIDE OF TEXAS AND THEY HAVE BEEN HONKING THEIR HORNS FOR NON ESSENTIAL REASONS.

PLEASE DO NOT ADD ANY MORE HOMES OR BUSINESSES THAT WOULD ADD ANY MORE CARS ON

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CONTINENTAL AVENUE FOR THE SAFETY AND SANITY OF THOSE WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE.

WITH THAT, WE CONCLUDE.

>> LAST BITE OF THE APPLE.

I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE, I'LL BE AROUND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

WE'LL TAKE THEM TO HEART AND CURTIS AND I'LL GET TOGETHER ON IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME.

DAN SEMA, I LIVE IN TIMARRON ABOUT 10 YEARS AND I AGREE WITH EVERYONE'S COMMENTS ABOUT IT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE DENSITY.

SIR, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ABOUT IT COULD COULD BE WORSE.

I MEAN, YOUR JOB IS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR RETURN FOR THE FAMILY THAT YOU'VE REPRESENTED FOR MANY YEARS. I GET IT.

I MEAN, AND THIS WOULD OBVIOUSLY MAXIMIZE PROPERTY TAXES, SCHOOL TAXES.

I MEAN, IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT SOUTH LAKE WANTS LONG TERM.

EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY, I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO DEBATE THIS AND SPEAK OUR MIND.

SIR, I DIDN'T APPRECIATE THE COMMENT ABOUT ALL THE OPPOSING COMMENTS BEING CHARACTERIZED AS SILLY.

I DON'T THINK THEY WERE SILLY. I THINK THEY WERE TOTALLY APPROPRIATE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT LONGER TERM.

BUT I THINK WE SHOULD JUST HAVE A CIVIL CONVERSATION.

I MEAN, EVERYONE'S VIEWPOINTS, I DON'T THINK THE OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS WERE SILLY, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT TOO, SIR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, WE HAVE DARREN ANDREWS AND JOHN MAXWELL ARE HERE TO

[3. SPIN2024-04 — An applicant is proposing an expansion of Restoration Church to include an additional building and parking located at 1280 E. Highland St. within SPIN Neighborhood]

PRESENT OUR FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS SPIN 2024-04.

AN APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN EXPANSION OF RESTORATION CHURCH TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING AND PARKING LOCATED AT 1280 EAST HIGHLAND STREET WITHIN SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 3.

>> ANDREW OXLEY.

>> ANDREW OXLEY IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING.

DARREN AND JOHN ARE NOT HERE.

>> I'M ANDREW OXLEY WITH OXLEY ARCHITECTS, AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF RESTORATION CHURCH, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ADDITION TO THEIR EXISTING PROPERTY.

CURRENTLY THE SITE IS ZONED AS COMMUNITY SERVICE AND IT IS CHURCH BY USE.

CURRENTLY, THIS IS THE EXISTING BUILDING RIGHT HERE.

HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THE MOUSE THERE, WITH EXISTING PARKING ALONG THE WEST SIDE.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED ADDITION, WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING PROPOSED ON THE NORTH END, ALONG WITH AN ADDITIONAL DRIVE ON THE EAST SIDE.

THE PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT IS NOT TO ADD ADDITIONAL CAPACITY IN TERMS OF SEATS IN THEIR SANCTUARY OR WORSHIP CENTER.

IT'S ACTUALLY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THEY HAVE WITH THE CHILDREN'S SPACES.