HERE AND NOW WE WILL GAVEL IN, THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE SIGN BOARD MEETING FOR MARCH 7TH.
[1. Call to Order.]
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AND PIVOTING OVER TO THAT AGENDA HERE.GOING THROUGH, WE'LL TAKE IT IN THE REGULAR ORDER AS PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA.
DENNIS, ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS ON THIS? CHAIRMAN? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE COVERED THAT IN OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
SO REWIND AND LOOK AT THAT TAPE IF YOU NEED TO.
[5. Consider: Approving the minutes from the January 18, 2024 Sign Board Meeting.]
SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE SINCE WE HAVE A SIGNED BOARD MEETING, WHICH I KNOW IS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR SOME OF US, NOT FOR OTHERS.WELL, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO KEEP THE SIGNS IN ORDER.
I RECOGNIZE YOUR PASSION ON THAT.
YES. ANY COMMENTS? QUESTIONS ON THOSE MINUTES BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO VOTE, PLEASE.
[6. Consider: SV24-0001, Sign Variances for Public Storage, located at 950 S. Kimball Ave., Southlake, Texas.]
ITEM NUMBER SIX, SIGN VARIANTS FOR PUBLIC STORAGE.THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE THE BUILDING.
AND THE VARIANCES REQUESTED ARE FOR AN UPPER STORY SIGN.
THE LETTER HEIGHT REQUESTED IS 26 INCHES.
THEY ARE COMPLIANT AND SIGN AREA, AND THEY ARE ONLY REQUESTING ONE ATTACHED BUILDING SIGN.
THIS IS THE PREVIOUS SIGN AT THIS LOCATION.
IT ALSO HAD A VARIANCE FOR BEING AN UPPER STORY SIGN.
THE LETTER HEIGHT WAS 16 INCHES.
THIS IS JUST AN ADJACENT SIGN AS VARIOUS SYSTEMS, AND THEY ALSO HAD A VARIANCE FOR THE UPPER STORY SIGN, AND ALSO FOR THE SIGN BEING NOT WITHIN THE MIDDLE, 75% FOR BEING OFFSET.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE APPLICANT UP ON THIS ONE.
IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP TO THE PODIUM.
SAME REQUEST, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
AND THEN WE'LL JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUICK QUESTIONS POTENTIALLY.
I'M WITH BARNETT SIGNS, AND THE ADDRESS IS 4250 ACTION DRIVE, MESQUITE, TEXAS.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S NON-ILLUMINATED.
SO SINCE THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES TWO INCHES OR GREATER, WHY IS IT YOU'RE ONLY MAKING IT A HALF INCH? ISN'T IT REALLY HARD FOR YOU TO DEAL WITH IT BEING THAT THIN? FOR NON-ILLUMINATED SIGNS, IT'S ACTUALLY EASIER TO INSTALL THE THINNER IT IS.
THAT WAY WE CAN JUST KIND OF MOUNT IT TO THE WALL WITH WITH STUDS AND THE PATTERN.
IT'S NOT AS HARD AS AS IT MAKES IT OUT TO BE, SO.
THANKS. AND JUST MAYBE JUST ALWAYS TRYING TO LEARN HERE, I GUESS, WHY INDIVIDUALLY MOUNTED VERSUS ANOTHER KIND OR ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT.
I'M SORRY. DO YOU MIND REPEATING THAT? WHY INDIVIDUALLY MOUNTED VERSUS KIND OF ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT, I GUESS? SO WE ORIGINALLY HAD IT ON A BACKER PANEL.
BUT WE WERE INFORMED THAT WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE AT GETTING THIS PASSED IF WE REMOVED IT.
SO THE PERSON NODDING DOWN THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. THAT'S IT FOR ME.
NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
YEAH. AND IT'S IT'S NOT ILLUMINATED.
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SO IT'S NOT GOING TO JUST STAND OUT.AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HARD TO SEE.
BUT IT'S A BETTER COLOR THAN SOME OF THE PAST ONES HAVE BEEN.
YEAH. NO, THE NEUTRAL COLOR WAS.
YEAH. THE YEAH. THE OLD BRIGHT ORANGE WAS NOT GOING TO BE DESIRABLE.
YEAH. BURNT ORANGE MAYBE, BUT NOT BRIGHT ORANGE.
GOT SOME GROANS UP HERE ON THAT ONE.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? ALL RIGHT I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION I GUESS, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.
WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA.
SB 24-0001, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 1ST, 2024.
HAVE A MOTION, DO I HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. WOW.
OFTEN I HEAR THAT AND PASSES FIVE ZERO.
CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK AT COUNCIL.
[7. Consider: SV24-0002, Sign Variances for Top Kids Gym & Sports, located at 407 S. Pearson Lane, Southlake, Texas.]
NOW WE'LL HAVE OUR LAST CASE THIS EVENING.WE'LL HEAR IT AT THIS NUMBER ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
SIGN VARIANTS FOR TOP KIDS GYM AND SPORTS.
THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE LOCATION.
AND THIS IS THE ZONING EXHIBIT.
THE ZONING HERE IS SP ONE FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
TO THE NORTH YOU HAVE AG ZONING AND TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE AG ZONING.
AND THE REASON THAT I'M POINTING THAT OUT IS THE PARTICULAR TYPE OF SIGN THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
WE ONLY ALLOW AN INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
THIS IS AN ELEVATION SHOWING THE PROPOSED SIGN.
A SITE PLAN SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED SIGN AND ALSO THE EXISTING MONUMENT SIGN.
IT'S IN A LARGE ENLARGED SIGN VIEW.
AND A SUMMARY OF THE VARIANCES REQUESTED.
THEY ARE REQUESTING A FLAT PANEL SIGN.
AS I NOTED PREVIOUSLY, THIS TYPE OF SIGN IS ONLY PERMITTED IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
THE SECOND VARIANCE IS FOR THE COLOR.
WE ONLY ALLOW NEUTRAL COLORS OTHER THAN WHITE AND THEY ARE.
FOR THIS TYPE OF SIGN, WE ONLY ALLOW A SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 25FT², AND THEY'RE REQUESTING 28.1FT².
THIS IS THE EXISTING MONUMENT SIGN.
THIS IS A LEGAL, NONCONFORMING SIGN.
AND THESE ARE THE ADJACENT SIGNS.
AT THE TIME THESE WERE PERMITTED SIGNS DIDN'T REQUIRE VARIANCES.
THIS IS A STREET VIEW OF THOSE SIGNS.
AND THEN THIS IS AN EXHIBIT PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT SHOWING THE CURRENT CONDITIONS.
YOU CAN SEE THERE EXISTING MONUMENT SIGN, THE SIGNS THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU AT 607 SOUTH PEARSON.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? AND THE SIGNS FOR THE PEARSON PLUMBING AND THE ADJACENT ONE WERE APPROVED FOR ME, WERE PUT IN BEFORE WE HAD THE REQUIREMENT? YES. FOR THE AT THAT TIME, THOSE SIGNS WERE ALLOWED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YEAH, YEAH.
ALL GOOD. IT SAYS THE LETTER HEIGHT IS THREE FOOT SIX INCHES.
IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE DIFFERENT SIZE FONTS.
WHAT IS THAT REFERENCING? I THINK THAT I'M SORRY, I THINK THAT'S A TYPO THERE.
I THINK IT'S REFERRING TO THE OVERALL SIGN HEIGHT THERE.
FOR THESE PARTICULAR PANEL SIGNS, WE DON'T LIMIT THE LETTER HEIGHT, IT'S JUST OVERALL PANEL SIZE.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THIS ITEM? DO YOU MIND COMING UP? SAME DRILL. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
HI. GOOD EVENING, DALIA KHORSHID.
AND THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY IS 407 SOUTH PEARSON LANE AND ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE? SO WHY DOES WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE THE PANEL SIGN? WHY CAN'T YOU GO WITH THE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SIGN THAT FALLS UNDER OUR UNDER OUR SIGN ORDINANCE? HONESTLY, THE MAIN REASON FOR US I'M A SMALL BUSINESS, SO IT'S REALLY FINANCIALLY RESTRICTIVE FOR ME TO TRY TO DO THE CHANNEL LETTERING.
THAT KIND OF SIGN IS VERY FINANCIALLY RESTRICTIVE.
THE PEOPLE, THERE'S RESIDENCES ACROSS THE STREET.
SO IF WE DID THE ILLUMINATED, THAT WOULD BOTHER THOSE ACROSS THE STREET.
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GOOD. AND DO YOU HAVE CAN CAN YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE IT IS? IS IT THREE TIMES MORE OR FOUR TIMES MORE? IT'S LIKE 2 TO 3 TIMES MORE.OKAY. AND DOES STAFF, DO YOU MIND GOING BACK TO A PICTURE THAT SHOWS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE BUILDING? I GUESS SHOW THE BUILDING THAT WILL BE PLACED ON.
THERE. THERE WAS ONE, I THINK, WHERE THEY HAD THE DRAWING OF IT.
YEAH, THERE WAS ONE THAT HAD THE ACTUAL SIGN ON IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A POLITE WAY TO SAY IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU CLASS AT BUILDING UP.
BUT I MEAN, I CAN SAY ON THE RECORD, MY MAIN YOU KNOW, RESISTANCE TO IT IS THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER GUYS GOT IN BEFORE THE SIGN ORDINANCE WAS REQUIRING SOMETHING OTHER THAN A PANEL SIGN.
I MEAN, THAT'S MY MAIN COMPLAINT ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, DOES IT ACTUALLY LOOK TERRIBLE? NO, IT DOESN'T, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST WE DO HAVE RULES.
SO. I'M SURPRISED YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY OUTSIDE LIGHTING ON THIS BUILDING, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, I SEE A COUPLE.
LOOKS LIKE THEY COULD BE A COUPLE OF LIGHTS OUT THERE, BUT NOTHING.
NOT REALLY CONSIDERED TO BE SECURITY LIGHTING.
SO REALLY SURPRISED THAT THEY GET BY WITH THAT BEING A PUBLIC VENUE.
BUT GIVEN IT KIND OF IS WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT, IT SEEMS LIKE BAND-AIDING IT UNTIL THERE'S REDEVELOPMENT THERE IS PROBABLY IF THERE'S REDEVELOPMENT THERE, YOU KNOW, ONE DAY AND THAT'S TO ME THE EASIER JUMPING OFF POINT TO START TO DO IT DIFFERENT.
BUT THAT'S JUST ME. I GUESS WE CAN.
SEE WHAT OTHER. YEAH. GO AHEAD.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE PANEL.
GIVEN THE CONTEXT THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
BUT I HAVE AN ISSUE THAT IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A BUSINESS CARD AND NOT A SIGN.
IT'S EVEN GOT THE QR CODE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND SO I EMPATHIZE WITH COST OF OF THE SIGN.
I JUST THINK IT'S GOT TOO MUCH STUFF GOING ON.
IT'S REALLY A GIANT BUSINESS CARD.
AND I THINK STAFF WOULD TELL US THAT MOST OF THAT'S KIND OF BEYOND OUR PURVEY, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFIC REQUESTS, MAYBE IF YOU FLIP BACK TO THE THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE EXACT VARIANCES.
IN CONSIDERATION OF A SIGN VARIANCE YOU HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF LATITUDE AS TO WHAT YOU CONSIDER APPROPRIATE AND HOW YOU APPROVE THIS.
I. I DON'T KNOW IF OTHERS HAVE ANY THOUGHTS.
I MEAN, THEY DO HAVE A NICE MONUMENT SIGN OUT THERE.
BUT EVERYBODY'S WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT METAL BUILDING.
MAYBE THIS IS ONE WHERE WE COULD SUGGEST SHE BRING AN ALTERNATIVE WITHOUT ALL THE LETTERING ON THE RIGHT, THE TOP KIDS OFFERS, AND THEN THE WHOLE LIST, AND MAYBE TAKE OFF THE QR CODE. GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE'S A MONUMENT SIGN JUST SO THAT WE CAN SEND IT ON WITH A COUPLE OF OPTIONS.
MAYBE THAT COULD BE WHAT IT IS.
IS MAYBE. MAYBE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PROVIDE THIS OPTION, BUT THEN MAYBE.
AND WE DON'T MAYBE HAVE TO BE OVERLY SPECIFIC.
MAYBE IT'S JUST ONE THAT'S SCALED DOWN A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF WORDS.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE ZERO OR IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW YOUR TOP 3 OR 4? SOME. I WOULD THINK THE PHONE NUMBER.
YEAH, YEAH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND COME BACK UP HERE.
AND THE QUESTION WAS, IS IT OKAY TO LEAVE THE PHONE NUMBER ON THERE? AND I GUESS I WOULD THINK IT'S FINE.
I THINK IT'S JUST MORE OF THE NUMBER OF WORDS.
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IS THAT FAIR? IS THAT THE SPIRIT OF WHAT'S BEING.WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
AND OF COURSE I AM ONLY ONE VOTE.
BUT THAT'S JUST MY WELL AND I THINK TO THE VICE CHAIRS WISE NOTION HERE, IF WE IF YOU HAVE THE ALTERNATIVE READY WHEN YOU GO TO COUNCIL, THAT WAY THEY CAN INSTEAD OF TABLING YOU IF THEY HAVE THE SAME ISSUE THEY THEY CAN LIKELY PICK WHICHEVER OPTION THEY'RE FINE WITH AND GET YOU MOVED ON THAT NIGHT.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE GENESIS BEHIND IT.
YEAH. THANK YOU. WHY DON'T WE.
WHY DON'T WE SHOOT FOR THAT IN THE MOTION AND THEN SEE IF WE CAN CALL IT AN EVENING BEFORE 7 P.M.? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA.
SB 24-0002, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 1ST, 2024, AND NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO TAKE THE REQUEST TO CITY COUNCIL AND PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL OPTION WITH FEWER WORDS OR LETTERING ON THE SIGN. WE HAVE A MOTION.
I'LL SECOND. UNLESS MR. SPRINGER WANTS TO HAVE THE MONOPOLY TONIGHT, I DON'T WANT HIM TO GET WILD AND CRAZY.
IT'S JUST ENOUGH HE'S VOTING FOR THEM.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.
GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH IS ON..
MARCH 19TH, A TUESDAY, WITH THAT AT 6:59 P.M..
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.