Apr 02, 2024 City Council

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CASE MANAGEMENT.

[4. Honors & Recognition: Proclamation for Alliance for Children]

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THE SUPPORT WE RECEIVE FROM OUR PARTNER CITIES, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TARRANT COUNTY ARE CRITICAL TO OUR AGENCY AND MAKE THESE SERVICES POSSIBLE.

WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT AND PARTNERSHIP WITH US IN THIS MISSION.

THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY WELL, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE AND TALKING TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AND BRINGING AN AWARENESS TO CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS SINCE COVID NUMBERS HAVE SPIKED, I'M NOT SURE THEY'VE COME DOWN MUCH.

WELL, IT'S I CERTAINLY RESPECT THE QUESTION AND I GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT COVID.

WE'RE STILL IN CRISIS.

YEAH, WE'RE STILL SERVING A LOT OF FAMILIES.

WE HAVE THOSE THAT ARE REPORTED, BUT THE ONES THAT GO UNREPORTED ARE WHAT HURTS MY HEART ANYWAY.

NO DOUBT. SO BY BRINGING AWARENESS AND BRINGING LIGHT TO THE DARKNESS OF CHILD ABUSE, SEX ABUSE, TRAFFICKING.

YES. IS IT'S A GOOD THING NO DOUBT.

YEAH. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. WELL I'VE GOT A PROCLAMATION HERE.

AND SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS READ IT AND THEN WE'LL COME AND TAKE A PICTURE DOWN.

THANK YOU. SO WHEREAS EVERY CHILD DESERVES A NURTURING FAMILY AND SAFE ENVIRONMENT TO GROW INTO A HEALTHY, PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND WHEREAS CHILD ABUSE IS ONE OF OUR NATION'S MOST SERIOUS PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEMS AND THREATENS THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WHEREAS IN TARRANT COUNTY, 5,332 CHILDREN WERE CONFIRMED AS VICTIMS OF CHILD ABUSE OR NEGLECT IN 2023, AND ALLIANCE FOR CHILDREN PROVIDED TRAUMA INFORMED SERVICES TO 2,325 OF THOSE CHILDREN.

AND WHEREAS FINDING SOLUTIONS TO PREVENT CHILD ABUSE IS A COMMUNITY RESPONSIBILITY AND DEPENDS ON THE INVOLVEMENT OF ALL CITIZENS, AND WHEREAS EFFECTIVE CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION, INVESTIGATION AND TREATMENT PROGRAMS SUCCEED BECAUSE OF PARTNERSHIPS AMONG PUBLIC AND PRIVATE AGENCIES, SCHOOLS, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, MEDICAL SERVICES, AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, MAYOR JOHN HUFFMAN, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF APRIL 2024 AS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH.

SO THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR BEING HERE AND WE'LL TAKE A QUICK PICTURE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

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[5. Southlake Business Spotlight: Complete Care Southlake, 321 W. Southlake Blvd., Suite 140.]

DIRECTOR CORTEZ, COME ON DOWN, SIR.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

I HAD THE PRIVILEGE LAST WEEK TO MEET WITH ROB MORRIS, THE CEO OF COMPLETE CARE.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND WATCH THIS VIDEO.

AND WE'VE ALSO INVITED ROB TO SAY A FEW WORDS TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT HIM CHOOSING AND SELECTING SOUTHLAKE AS A PLACE TO DO BUSINESS AND GROW THE COMPANY.

HI, MY NAME IS ROB MORRIS.

I AM CEO OF COMPLETE CARE, A COMPANY THAT HAS ROOTS RIGHT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

WE HAVE A HOME OFFICE HERE.

WE HAVE A FREESTANDING EMERGENCY CENTER THAT'S LOCATED ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

SO ON ANY GIVEN DAY, WE HAVE ROUGHLY 50 EMPLOYEES WORKING IN THE SOUTHLAKE COMMUNITY.

I ALSO HAVE THE PLEASURE OF LIVING IN SOUTHLAKE.

I HAVE TEAMMATES AND BUSINESS PARTNERS THAT ALSO LIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

OUR FAMILIES ARE HERE.

WE'VE RAISED OUR KIDS HERE.

BOTH MY DAUGHTERS GRADUATED FROM SOUTHLAKE CARROLL, AND IT'S JUST BEEN A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY WITH A LOT OF TALENTED, BRIGHT PEOPLE.

AND I DON'T THINK WE COULD HAVE PICKED A BETTER PLACE TO LAUNCH OUR BUSINESS A LITTLE OVER A DECADE AGO.

NOW, THAT SAID, WHEN WE OPENED OUR FIRST EMERGENCY ROOM IN JANUARY OF 2013, IF YOU HAD TOLD ME BACK THEN THAT COMPLETE CARE WOULD BE THE MOST DECORATED EMERGENCY CARE PROVIDER IN THE COUNTRY AND WON MORE PATIENT SATISFACTION AWARDS THAN ANY OTHER ER, I WOULDN'T HAVE BELIEVED YOU.

BUT HERE WE ARE YEAR AFTER YEAR.

OUR LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT TEXAS AND IN COLORADO HAVE CONSISTENTLY RANKED IN THE TOP 5% OF ERS NATIONALLY.

AND THIS IS BASED ON THE RESULTS OF AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY THAT ADMINISTERS ALL OF OUR PATIENT SATISFACTION SURVEYS.

WE WORK WITH A COMPANY NAMED PRESS GANEY, AND THEY ARE THE MOST WIDELY USED COMPANY TO MEASURE PATIENT SATISFACTION IN THE UNITED STATES.

THEY CONTRACT WITH OVER 40,000 DIFFERENT HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS.

SO THAT MEANS THAT COMPLETE CARE IS BENCHMARKED AGAINST THOUSANDS OF OTHER ERS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT SINCE 2018, LITTLE OL COMPLETE CARE, FOUNDED RIGHT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS, HAS CONSISTENTLY RANKED IN THE TOP 5% NATIONALLY AND WON MORE AWARDS FOR PATIENT SATISFACTION THAN ANY OTHER EMERGENCY CARE PROVIDER IN THE UNITED STATES.

I THINK THIS IS A TESTAMENT TO OUR TEAM, FROM OUR FRONT DESK STAFF TO OUR DOCS AND OUR NURSES AND OUR X-RAY TECHS, AND ALSO THE PEOPLE WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES AT THE HOME OFFICE.

YOU CAN'T DELIVER A GREAT PATIENT EXPERIENCE WITHOUT A STRONG TEAM.

AND WE HAVE A DEDICATED, VERY STRONG TEAM.

WELL. AND THAT ABILITY TO FOCUS ON ONE THING AND HAVE THAT LEVEL OF ATTENTION TO DETAIL ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE EXCEPTIONAL PATIENT CARE AND DELIVER GREAT CLINICAL OUTCOMES AT A LOW COST.

AND FINALLY, I THINK OUR SUCCESS AS A COMPANY IS ALSO A TESTAMENT TO THE BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT THAT SOUTHLAKE HAS TO OFFER.

LIKE I SAID, WE COULD NOT HAVE ASKED FOR A BETTER PLACE TO PLANT OUR FLAG AND LAUNCH OUR BUSINESS THAN IN SOUTHLAKE.

SO IF YOU EVER NEED EMERGENCY CARE, JUST KEEP US IN MIND.

WE'RE LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET FROM BICENTENNIAL PARK AND WE'RE OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

MORRIS HERE? YES, SIR.

COME ON DOWN, SIR.

THANK YOU. WELL GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE YOU INFORMING US ABOUT COMPLETE CARE.

AND MAYBE TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE BUSINESS.

YEAH. I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING ME.

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AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE PRETTY HUMBLE BEGINNINGS HERE.

I WAS TALKING WITH SHAWN NOT TOO LONG AGO ABOUT I REMEMBER IN 2012, SITTING IN MY KITCHEN TABLE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE LOOKING, REVIEWING THE FREESTANDING EMERGENCY CENTER LICENSURE, TRYING TO GET OUR PLAN TOGETHER AS FAR AS RECRUITING STAFF, SELECTING LOCATIONS.

I CAME ACTUALLY HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER AND MADE MY PITCH SO THAT WE COULD OPEN A FACILITY HERE, HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

IT'S BEEN A GREAT PLACE.

LIKE I SAID IN THE VIDEO FOR MY FAMILY AND ALSO A GREAT PLACE JUST TO ATTRACT TALENT AND TO BUILD OUR COMPANY.

WHEN WE STARTED IN 2012, THE FREESTANDING E.R.

LICENSURE DESIGNATION WAS VERY NEW, AND IN MANY WAYS IT WAS THE WILD WEST BACK THEN.

I MEAN, AND YOU PROBABLY HEARD STORIES OVER THE LAST DECADE ABOUT FREESTANDING EMERGENCY CENTERS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR COMPANY REALIZED VERY EARLY ON WAS THE IMPORTANCE OF POLICING OURSELVES AS AN INDUSTRY.

SO SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T TOUCH ON IN THE VIDEO WAS THAT COMPLETE CARE HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL AND AGAIN, WE STARTED HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, IN LEADING OUR ASSOCIATION.

SO WE HELPED FOUND THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF FREESTANDING ERS.

I'M CURRENTLY THE PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FREESTANDING EMERGENCY CENTERS, AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO BEYOND JUST WHAT OUR LICENSURE DESIGNATED.

SO OUR LICENSURE REQUIRES US TO BUILD OUR FACILITIES TO HOSPITAL GRADE STANDARDS.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE AN ER.

JEFF PEEBLES WHO'S ALSO SITTING BACK THERE.

HE'S ALSO A LOCAL RESIDENT, RAISED HIS FAMILY HERE.

HE'S OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR.

YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO HAVE AN ER PHYSICIAN ON 24/7.

YOU GOT TO HAVE A CT SCAN, ULTRASOUND, X-RAY, LAB, PHARMACY.

A LOT OF THAT STUFF WAS OUTLINED IN OUR LICENSURE REQUIREMENT.

WELL, WE DIDN'T EXPECT WAS SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WAS GOING TO GO ON FROM A BILLING STANDPOINT, AND THAT HOW SOME OPERATORS WOULD HOLD THEMSELVES OUT TO KIND OF LOOK LIKE AN URGENT CARE WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO BILL, LIKE AN E.R.

AND SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENED AGAIN ABOUT A DECADE AGO.

SO WHAT WE'VE PLAYED A BIG PART IN SHAPING ADDITIONAL POLICY SUBSEQUENT TO OUR LICENSURE.

SO SINCE FREESTANDING WENT INTO EFFECT IN TEXAS, THERE'S BEEN ADDITIONAL LAWS RELATED TO DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS.

SO WHEN A PATIENT COMES IN, YOU KNOW, YOU MINIMIZE ANY CHANCE OF CONFUSION THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE IN AN E.R..

WE'VE HELPED PASS LEGISLATION WITH CAPS ON FACILITY CHARGES.

SO THAT CONSUMERS, PATIENTS, YOU KNOW, PAY LESS.

THOSE SAVINGS GET PASSED ON TO LOCAL BUSINESSES, PARTICULARLY BUSINESSES THAT ARE SELF-INSURED.

SO POLICIES THAT HAVE GONE INTO EFFECT, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVELY PUT THE CAP ON WHAT WE CAN CHARGE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THOSE SAVINGS GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE'VE BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN LAWS AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR A PATIENT TO GET A SURPRISE BILL.

THAT WAS SOME OF THE COMMON STORIES BACK IN THE EARLY STAGES OF OUR INDUSTRY OF PATIENTS GETTING UNEXPECTED BILLS.

SO WE'VE SUPPORTED LEGISLATION AT THE STATE LEVEL AND ALSO AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

WE HAVE BECAUSE OF OUR ADVOCACY EFFORTS, AND NOT JUST ME FOR MY COMPANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THIS EFFORT HAVE HELPED SHAPE POLICY FEDERALLY SO THAT NOW FREESTANDING ERS ARE INCLUDED IN FEDERAL POLICY THAT PROTECT PATIENTS FROM SURPRISE BILLS.

ALSO AT THAT SAME TIME, WHEN THE NO SURPRISES ACT WENT INTO EFFECT, WE LOBBIED TO BE INCLUDED IN FEDERAL EMTALA STANDARDS.

IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH EMTALA, THAT REQUIRES EVERYBODY THAT COMES INTO AN ER NOW, WHETHER IT'S A HOSPITAL AFFILIATED ER OR A FREESTANDING THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO TREAT AND STABILIZE THOSE PATIENTS REGARDLESS OF ABILITY TO PAY.

SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION THAT IS PASSED AND THE LAWS THAT HAVE GONE INTO EFFECT SINCE WE STARTED OUR COMPANY HERE AND NOW TEXAS.

AND AGAIN, I THINK A LOT OF THIS STEMMED FROM NOT JUST US.

THERE'S OTHER GOOD OPERATORS IN OUR SPACE, BUT THE WORK THAT CAME OUT OF SOUTHLAKE HAS REALLY HELPED SET THE TONE NATIONALLY.

SO NOW YOU'VE GOT OTHER STATES THAT ARE MODELING THEIR FREESTANDING LICENSURE DESIGNATION AFTER TEXAS.

SO COLORADO HAS SINCE ADOPTED A LICENSURE DESIGNATION.

RHODE ISLAND, DELAWARE, MISSISSIPPI HAS A PILOT PROJECT.

SO A LOT OF A LOT OF GREAT, YOU KNOW, WORK HAS COME OUT OF THESE EFFORTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN GREAT TO BE A PART OF IT.

AND MOST RECENTLY, THERE WAS A FIELD HEARING TWO WEEKS AGO YESTERDAY CONGRESS HAD A FIELD HEARING IN DENTON AND I WAS ABLE TO SIT ON A PANEL WITH FIVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT TESTIFIED, ANSWERED ABOUT 2.5 HOURS WORTH OF QUESTIONS.

BUT THE FOCUS OF THE WHOLE HEARING WAS ON IMPROVING ACCESS TO EMERGENCY CARE IN THE UNITED STATES.

SO BETH VAN DUYNE WAS MY CONGRESSWOMAN WAS THERE, ALONG WITH 18 OTHER CONGRESSMEN AND WOMEN.

SO I GOT TO TELL OUR STORY AND TALK ABOUT THE WORK IN OUR SPACE.

AND I THINK IT GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT LOOKS TO, YOU KNOW, IMPROVING ACCESS TO CARE IN RURAL AMERICA AND HOW WE HAVE A LOT OF UNTAPPED POTENTIAL TO GO IN PLACES THAT REALLY DESPERATELY NEED EMERGENCY CARE.

SO I MENTIONED ALL THOSE THINGS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE STUFF STARTED HERE WITH ME BEING SURROUNDED BY A LOT OF GREAT, GREAT PEOPLE.

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BUT A LOT OF GREAT WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.

AND ONE OTHER COMMENT THAT I WANTED TO MENTION, I MENTIONED PRESS GANEY AND BY THE WAY, I USED TO BE THE VICE PRESIDENT OF OPERATIONS AT BAYLOR GRAPEVINE.

WE USE PRESS GANEY AT BAYLOR GRAPEVINE.

BEFORE I STARTED THIS COMPANY, I WAS WITH MEMORIAL HERMANN.

WE USE PRESS GANEY.

YOU SAY PRESS GANEY IN HEALTH CARE.

EVERYBODY KNOWS PRESS GANEY.

I MEAN, FROM MD ANDERSON TO CLEVELAND CLINIC.

EVERYBODY USES THAT AS A THIRD PARTY TO MEASURE PATIENT SATISFACTION.

YOU CAN'T COOK THE BOOKS.

IT'S AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY THAT MEASURES IT.

SO WHEN I MENTIONED IN THAT VIDEO THAT WE'RE THE MOST DECORATED ER WE'RE THE MOST DECORATED, ER THERE'S NOT A CLOSE SECOND.

I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE IN MY LIFETIME.

WE WON 73 AWARDS SINCE 2018 BEING IN THE TOP 5% BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE JEFF PEEBLES AND A GREAT STAFF THAT WE HAVE.

AND JUST CONSISTENTLY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE FRONT END, WHEN A PATIENT CHECKS IN, LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT FROM AN OUT OF POCKET STANDPOINT TO ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE HAVE A NINE MINUTE DOOR TO DOCK TIME.

AND THIS PAST YEAR, SOUTHLAKE OUR FACILITY, WE HAVE A CORPORATE OFFICE ON KIMBALL, BUT OUR FACILITY ON 1709 WON WHAT'S CALLED THE PINNACLE OF EXCELLENCE AWARD FOR 2023, THE PINNACLE OF EXCELLENCE.

AND I'M GOING TO JUST MY LAST COMMENT, PINNACLE OF EXCELLENCE IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.

IT'S THE HIGHEST AWARD THAT PRESS GANEY GIVES OUT NATIONALLY.

THEY ONLY GIVE OUT THREE IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

THREE THE WAY THAT YOU CAN EVEN QUALIFY IS YOU GOT TO BE IN THE TOP 5% NATIONALLY.

YOU CAN NEVER FALL BELOW THE 95TH PERCENTILE IN THREE YEARS.

FOR 36 MONTHS, YOU GOT TO STAY IN THE TOP 5% COMPLETE CARE, SOUTHLAKE ON 1709 JUST WON THAT AWARD FOR 2023.

SO ANYWAY, AGAIN, IT'S BEEN A GREAT PLACE TO START OUR BUSINESS.

I'M SURROUNDED BY A LOT OF TALENTED PEOPLE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE, AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL HIGHLIGHTING THE WORK WE'VE DONE.

WELL, THANK YOU ROB, THANK YOU FOR NOT ONLY YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THE INDUSTRY, WHICH IS AWESOME, BUT ALSO FOR PLANTING YOUR ROOTS HERE.

AND I'M A SATISFIED CUSTOMER OF COMPLETE CARE.

YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB. YOU SAW ONE OF MY KIDS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

AND IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE.

[INAUDIBLE] SO.

SORRY YOU HAD TO USE. YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S OKAY.

I'M GLAD YOU'RE OVER THERE.

[LAUGHTER] NO, VERY, VERY, VERY EXCITED TO HAVE YOU GUYS AND REALLY THRILLED TO SEE YOUR SUCCESS.

SO COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

CONGRATULATIONS ON EVERYTHING.

AWESOME. ALL RIGHT.

ON THAT GOOD NOTE, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO WORK SESSION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF ALL ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA.

[6. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session.]

ITEM 4B APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 895 E FIRST READING.

ADOPT THE 2024 WATER CONSERVATION PLAN.

ITEM 4C APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 662-G FIRST READING ADOPT THE 2024 DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN.

ITEM 4D APPROVE AN ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH KSA ENGINEERS TO PROVIDE PRELIMINARY ENGINEER DESIGN SERVICES FOR PHASE ONE AND TWO OF EAST DOVE ROAD SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.

ALL RIGHT, SIDEWALKS.

ITEM 4E APPROVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH TARRANT COUNTY FOR SHARED COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REPAVING OF SUNSHINE LANE IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $200,000. AND ITEM 4F EXCUSE THE ABSENCES OF COUNCIL MEMBER RONELL SMITH FROM THE APRIL 2ND AND APRIL 16TH REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.

AND COUNCIL WE ONLY HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM THAT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT.

THAT WOULD BE ITEM 7C TOMMY'S CAR WASH.

WHAT'S THE THOUGHT? THIS IS A FIRST READING.

LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SUPPORT. I'M NOT SURE THIS WAS A.

NOT SURE HOW CONTROVERSIAL OF AN ITEM THIS ONE IS AND ANYBODY WANT TO HEAR A PRESENTATION ON THIS OR TALK ABOUT IT? OR ARE WE GOOD MOVING FIRST READING TO CONSENT FOR TONIGHT.

CAR WASH OVER ON PEARSON LANE.

COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY. I'M GOOD WITH IT, MAYOR.

WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY I'M GOOD WITH IT, BUT THEN I JUST NOTICED THAT WE HAD A P&Z COMMISSIONER VOTE, A DENIAL.

SO I THINK I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING A LITTLE REPORT ON THAT.

WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT? OKAY.

WE'LL LEAVE THAT OFF CONSENT. WE ARE GOING TO JUST FY FOR ANYBODY COMING BACK AFTER OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING THINGS AROUND JUST A LITTLE BIT AND PROBABLY TACKLING OUR OUR FIRST ROUND OF ITEMS A LITTLE EARLY TONIGHT.

SO JUST SHOW UP IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE THE ITEMS 6A THROUGH 6C SHOW UP A LITTLE EARLY.

AND SO WITH THAT I'LL CALL REGULAR SESSION TO ORDER.

[1 . Call to order.]

[2.A. Executive Session (Part 1 of 2)]

AND WE SHOULD BE BACK BY 6:30.

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[2.B. Reconvene (Part 1 of 2)]

IS THERE ANY ACTION NEEDED OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO, MAYOR. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY.

WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 3A, WHICH IS MAYOR'S REPORT AND NONE SCHEDULED.

SO ITEM 3B IS THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.

[3.B. City Manager's Report]

YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

I'D LIKE TO ASK POLICE CHIEF JAMES BRANDON TO STEP FORWARD.

HE'S GOING TO INTRODUCE TONIGHT'S CITY MANAGER'S REPORT THAT IS GOING TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF A LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN OCCURRING FOR MANY YEARS WITHIN THE SOUTHLAKE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY AFFORDED BY YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER TO TALK ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.

IN A MOMENT, ASSISTANT CHIEF CASEY WILL COME UP AND GIVE YOU SOME DETAILS, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME GENERAL COMMENTS AHEAD OF TIME.

WE REALLY WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU ALL THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT WE PUT IN WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO WORKING WITH OUR LEADERS AT DIFFERENT LEVELS. WE'RE HIRING DECISION MAKERS FROM DAY ONE.

THEY INTERVENE IN SITUATIONS THAT ARE OFTEN OUT OF CONTROL AND ACT TO EXERT CONTROL WITHIN THOSE SITUATIONS AND BRING THEM TO SOME KIND OF PEACEFUL RESOLUTION AND THOSE ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS AND CASCADES UPWARD, REALLY ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE RANKS.

SO YOU'LL GET A SENSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAINING HOURS AND OF COACHING AND MENTORING THAT WE PUT INTO THAT, SO THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE LEADERS THAT ARE NOT ONLY EFFECTIVE WHERE THEY'RE AT, BUT ALSO READY FOR THE NEXT LEVEL.

SO ASSISTANT CHIEF CASEY, WOULD YOU COME UP? THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, CHIEF BRANDON.

GOOD EVENING, MAYORS AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ME A FEW MINUTES TO TALK WITH YOU TONIGHT ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S LEADERSHIP PROGRAM.

AS CHIEF BRANDON ALLUDED TO, THE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS COMMITTED TO PROFESSIONAL GROWTH AND LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT AT ALL LEVELS.

OUR PHILOSOPHY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT IS REALLY THAT EVERYONE IS A LEADER IN THE DEPARTMENT, AND EVERYONE HAS A RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAKING GOOD DECISIONS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY.

SO TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT WITHIN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, THE PATROL SHIFT CORPORAL OR SERGEANT IS THE HIGHEST RANKING OFFICER IN THE CITY, AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING THE DECISIONS FOR ANY INCIDENTS THAT ARISE, MANAGING ANY INCIDENTS THAT ARISE.

SO IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US AS POLICE LEADERS TO PROVIDE THEM WITH THE TRAINING AND TOOLS THEY NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL LEADERS.

WE BELIEVE THAT OUR COMMUNITY SAFETY AND REALLY OUR OFFICER SAFETY DEPEND UPON EFFECTIVE LEADERS MAKING SOUND DECISIONS TO MANAGE A VARIETY OF RISKS.

SO, AS YOU WOULD IMAGINE, THAT ALL BEGINS OR THE FOUNDATION FOR THAT EXCELLENCE REALLY BEGINS WITH OUR HIRING SELECTION PROCESS.

AND AS YOU WELL KNOW, WE HAVE A VERY STRINGENT PROCESS.

WE USE THIS TO ENSURE THAT WE NOT ONLY HIRE THE BEST APPLICANTS, BUT THOSE WHO EXHIBIT HIGH LEADERSHIP QUALITIES, APTITUDE, AND SKILLS.

THIS PROCESS INCLUDES AN INTERVIEW WITH OUR DEPARTMENT LEADERSHIP THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT HIRING BOARD, AND A THOROUGH BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION SO THAT WE GET TO KNOW WHO WE'RE HIRING BEFORE THEY'RE ACTUALLY HIRED.

AND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IF THEY DON'T MEET OUR STANDARDS, WE DON'T HIRE THEM.

WE'D RATHER THOSE VACANCIES REMAIN VACANT UNTIL WE FIND THOSE QUALITY LEADERS AND CANDIDATES TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS.

ONCE HIRED, ALL OFFICERS HAVE TO ATTEND THE BASIC POLICE OFFICER ACADEMY, AND THIS IS REALLY A RIGOROUS FOUR MONTH TRAINING ACADEMY WHICH TEACHES LEADERSHIP PRINCIPLES AS WELL AS SOME FOUNDATIONAL KNOWLEDGE RELATED TO LAWS, STATUTES, HOW TO APPLY CRIMINAL LAW AND FUNDAMENTAL TECHNICAL SKILLS. ONCE THEY GRADUATE THE ACADEMY, THEY ARE NOT DONE.

WE THEN BRING THEM BACK TO OUR DEPARTMENT, AND THEY THEN HAVE TO UNDERGO A FIVE MONTH DEPARTMENT TRAINING PROGRAM, WHICH IS OUR FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM.

THE FIRST PART OF THAT IS A TWO WEEK MINI ACADEMY WHICH TEACHES, IF YOU WILL, THE SOUTHLAKE WAY.

SO HOW TO BE A SOUTHLAKE LEADER OR A SOUTHLAKE POLICE OFFICER, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

AND FROM THAT POINT, THEY THEN GO THROUGH FOUR ONE MONTH PHASES OF TRAINING.

EACH OF THOSE PHASES, THEY GRADUALLY INCREASE THEIR LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY UNTIL THE FINAL TWO WEEK GHOST PHASE, WHERE THEY ARE EXPECTED TO PERFORM 100% OF THEIR DUTIES WITH LITTLE TO NO ASSISTANCE FROM THEIR FIELD TRAINING OFFICER.

DURING THAT TIME, THE FIELD TRAINING OFFICER IS PROVIDING THEM WITH DAILY EVALUATIONS, EVALUATING THEIR DECISIONS AND HOW THEY CONDUCT THEMSELVES, AND PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL LEADERSHIP AND GUIDANCE.

NEW OFFICERS MUST SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE BOTH THE BASIC ACADEMY AS WELL AS THE FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM TO BECOME A SOLO OFFICER.

SO, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE TIME COMMITMENT INVOLVED, JUST AT THAT BASIC LEVEL, THAT'S NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR APPROXIMATELY, IT TAKES THEM TO COMPLETE BOTH, WHICH IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME FROM START TO FINISH AND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT.

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WE OFTEN REFER TO IT AS ILEA.

ONCE THEY COMPLETE THIS PROGRAM, OR ONCE ALL OF OUR CORPORALS AND SERGEANTS COMPLETE THIS PROGRAM, WE ACTUALLY TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER, AND WE IDENTIFY SOME OF OUR LINE OFFICERS WHO SHOW AN INTEREST AND ASPIRATION TO PROMOTE AND WHO WE BELIEVE HAVE THE APTITUDE TO BE FUTURE LEADERS IN OUR DEPARTMENT.

AND WE SEND THOSE TO THIS ONE MONTH SCHOOL OF POLICE SUPERVISION SO WE CAN PROACTIVELY PREPARE THEM FOR FUTURE LEADERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES.

OUR NEW LINE SUPERVISORS HAVE TO GO THROUGH A ONE YEAR PROBATIONARY PERIOD.

AND SO DURING THAT PERIOD, THEY'RE SUBJECTED TO QUARTERLY EVALUATIONS WHERE THEY ARE GIVEN PROVIDED COACHING, MENTORING, ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE, ETC.. AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR FIRST LINE SUPERVISORS ARE ENTRUSTED WITH A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESPONSIBILITY, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF AUTONOMY, OR THEY'RE GIVEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF AUTONOMY.

THEY ALSO WIELD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE WITH OUR LINE OFFICERS.

SO WE BELIEVE IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO FOCUS A LOT OF OUR ENERGY AND TIME AND EFFORTS ON THIS LINE OF SUPERVISION TO ENSURE OUR DEPARTMENT STAYS ON COURSE FOR SUCCESS. OUR NEXT LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES OUR EXECUTIVE PREPARATION, AND THIS IS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS OUR CAPTAINS OR OUR DIVISIONAL COMMANDERS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.

SO THAT'S THE LEVEL ABOVE OUR SERGEANTS AND THE LEVEL BELOW THE ASSISTANT POLICE CHIEF.

THE SCHOOL. EXCUSE ME.

THE SCHOOL OF EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP IS A TWO MONTH INTENSIVE PROGRAM, AND IT'S GEARED TOWARDS HIGHER RANKING POLICE LEADERSHIP.

ONCE THEY COMPLETE THAT, WE ALSO IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE CHIEF AND I PROVIDE ONE ON ONE COACHING AND MENTORING.

AND THAT'S REALLY ONGOING, TRYING TO PUT THEM IN AS MANY SITUATIONS AS POSSIBLE TO PREPARE THEM FOR THAT FUTURE STEP.

FROM A SUCCESSION PLANNING STANDPOINT, THESE ARE REALLY THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE ARE PREPARING FOR TO BE OUR FUTURE LEADERS OR TO LEAD THE DEPARTMENT INTO THE FUTURE.

IN ADDITION TO THE EXECUTIVE SCHOOL OF EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP WE HAVE A NUMBER OF NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED PROGRAMS THAT WE SEND OUR COMMAND STAFF TO, TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE PREPARED.

AND THESE PROGRAMS INCLUDE SEVERAL.

I'VE HIGHLIGHTED A COUPLE HERE.

OUR SENIOR MANAGEMENT INSTITUTE FOR POLICING.

THIS IS A THREE WEEK EXECUTIVE PROGRAM HOSTED AT BOSTON UNIVERSITY, AND IT PROVIDES INSTRUCTION FROM EXPERIENCED PROFESSORS AT HARVARD UNIVERSITY'S KENNEDY SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT. THIS REALLY PUTS OUR CAPTAINS IN CONTACT WITH 75 TO 100 LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY SO THEY CAN EXCHANGE IDEAS, TRENDS AND BEST PRACTICES.

AND IT'S A PHENOMENAL PROGRAM.

CHIEF BRANDON AND I ARE BOTH GRADUATES OF SMIP, ALONG WITH CAPTAIN HENNINGER, WHO IS OUR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS CAPTAIN.

AND OUR SRO CAPTAIN BLAS HERNANDEZ IS SCHEDULED TO ATTEND SMIP THIS SUMMER, I BELIEVE IN JULY.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE GOT THE FBI NATIONAL ACADEMY HELD AT QUANTICO, VIRGINIA, AND THIS IS A TEN WEEK ELITE TRAINING PROGRAM WITH A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE SELECTION PROCESS.

EACH NATIONAL ACADEMY SESSION HOSTS APPROXIMATELY 265 LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERS FROM ACROSS THE US AND AROUND THE WORLD, WITH LESS THAN 15 APPLICANTS BEING SELECTED FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS.

THE TRAINING IS HELD AT THE FBI ACADEMY, WHERE THE NEW FBI SPECIAL AGENTS RECEIVE THEIR TRAINING, AND IT FOCUSES ON SPECIALIZED TECHNICAL TRAINING AND EXECUTIVE LEVEL LEADERSHIP TRAINING.

IT ALSO PROVIDES EXCEPTIONAL NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES ON A LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL.

I AM A PROUD GRADUATE OF THE FBI NATIONAL ACADEMY SESSION 242 BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2010, WHICH SEEMS LIKE A LIFETIME AGO AT THIS POINT.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS THAT I DEVELOPED DURING THE PROGRAM HAVE GREATLY ENHANCED MY PROFESSIONAL NETWORK AS WELL AS MY PROFESSIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND CAPABILITIES. OUR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS CAPTAIN, JOSE LUNA, HAS RECENTLY BEEN SELECTED TO ATTEND THE NEXT FBI NA SESSION COMING THIS JULY, AND WE'RE EXCITED FOR HIM IN THIS OPPORTUNITY. AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE STATE MANDATED BIENNIAL TRAINING FOR POLICE CHIEFS.

THIS IS OFFERED THROUGH THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON LAW ENFORCEMENT, OR TCOLE, WHICH IS OUR STATE LICENSING AGENCY FOR TEXAS PEACE OFFICERS.

AND IT REQUIRES THIS FOR POLICE CHIEFS TO ENSURE THAT THEY RECEIVE RELEVANT LEGAL UPDATES AND STAY AWARE OF OUR CURRENT AND FUTURE TRENDS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE INVEST AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF TIME AND ENERGY INTO THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF OUR LEADERS.

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THE DEPARTMENT'S INTENDED OUTCOMES FOR LEADERSHIP PROGRAM ARE THE DEVELOPMENT OF PRINCIPLED LEADERS, MAINTAINING THE COMMUNITY'S AND THE PUBLIC'S TRUST IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND ENSURING A SUCCESSION PLAN TO BUILD OUR BENCH STRENGTH AND PROVIDE EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT INTO THE FUTURE.

WE'RE PROUD OF OUR PROGRAM AND THE SUCCESSES WE'VE EXPERIENCED SO FAR WITH THE PROMOTION OF SEVERAL TALENTED INDIVIDUALS WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT.

WE'RE EXCITED FOR OUR FUTURE, AND WE'RE CONFIDENT THESE LEADERS WILL HELP US GUIDE OUR DEPARTMENT TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF SUCCESS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WELL. THANKS, CHIEF CASEY, LET ME JUST SAY BEFORE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU PUT INTO PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT.

I KNOW AS MAYOR, I TAKE AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF PRIDE IN THE WAY YOU AND YOUR OFFICERS DO YOUR JOBS, AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE SO CAREFUL TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CONTINUE TO ADVANCE AND CONTINUE TO ATTAIN ALL OF THESE CERTIFICATIONS AND ACCREDITATIONS IS JUST IT'S AMAZING AND THE COMMUNITY IS BETTER FOR IT.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF? COMMENTS? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

HOW I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE DEPTH AND BREADTH OF WHAT YOU DO IN THIS AREA IS, IT SEEMS PRETTY STUNNING TO ME. HOW DOES THAT STACK UP WITH OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTRY? ARE YOU SOUGHT OUT FOR WHAT YOU DO WITH OUR OFFICERS IN THIS AREA? DO PEOPLE I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO LIKE COPY OR LEARN FROM HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN OR DOES IT HAPPEN? CERTAINLY, I THINK NOT ALL DEPARTMENTS ARE CREATED EQUAL.

AND I THINK IF YOU PUT OUR DEPARTMENT UP AGAINST ANY DEPARTMENT WITHIN THIS AREA, THE DFW METROPLEX AS WELL AS IN THE COUNTRY, I THINK THE FURTHER OUT DFW METROPLEX ACTUALLY HAS SOME REALLY, REALLY GOOD DEPARTMENTS IN OUR AREA.

SO THEY'VE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. BUT AS YOU EXPAND OUTWARD TO OTHER STATES, CERTAINLY INTO RURAL AREAS, YOU DON'T GET THE SAME CALIBER OF TRAINING THAT YOU DO HERE.

SO WE'RE PROUD TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT COME OUT.

TCOLE, OUR LICENSING AGENCY IS KNOWN FOR PROVIDING MINIMUM STANDARDS.

WE USUALLY LOOK AT THOSE AND TAKE THAT MULTI STEP FURTHER TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROVIDING WELL ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT'S EXPECTED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

MS. ORTOWSKI ANYTHING ELSE FOR YOU? NO, MAYOR. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

ITEMS 4A THROUGH 4F.

MOVED MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. OUR CONSENT AGENDA PASSES 6 0.

IT'S NOT 7 P.M., SO WE'RE GOING TO SKIP PUBLIC FORUM FOR NOW AND MOVE ON TO ITEM 6A, WHICH IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-011

[6.A. Resolution No. 24-011, ZA24-0002, Specific Use Permit for Outdoor Sales or Services for Tropical Sno of Southlake on property described as Lot 63, F. Throop No. 1511 Addition and Lot 1, Block 1, Yates Corner Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 2190 E. Dove Road and 1604 N. Kimball Avenue, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District and "C-1" Neighborhood Commercial District. SPIN Neighborhood #4. PUBLIC HEARING]

DIRECTOR KILLOUGH I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

BUT, COUNCIL, DO WE NEED ANY ANY SORT OF PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM? NO. ANYTHING CHANGING ON THIS? NO.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE RENEWAL OF THE APPLICATION AS IT HAS BEEN.

OKAY. P&Z'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO APPROVE IT.

THEY DID ACKNOWLEDGE THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO HELP ADDRESS TRASH ISSUES ALONG NORTH KIMBALL, WHICH IS REFLECTED IN THE MOTION AND YOUR REPORT.

OKAY, SAME DELICIOUS SNOW CONES.

YES, SIR. THAT'S WONDERFUL TO HEAR.

OKAY. THANK YOU. DENNIS.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.

SO THIS IS 6A THE SNOW CONES.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK? I HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD.

MAYBE THE APPLICANT.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON 6A THE SNOW CONE ITEM.

IS MS. RACHEL BROWER HERE.

DO YOU WANT? YOU STILL WANT TO SPEAK OR ARE YOU THE APPLICANT? WILL YOU COME DOWN FOR A SECOND? WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SNOW CONES.

OKAY.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US HOW LONG I THINK YOU GUYS ARE RECENT OPERATORS.

OKAY, TELL US ABOUT THE BUSINESS AND WHEN YOU GUYS OPEN UP.

SURE. SO, MY NAME IS RACHEL BROWER.

I'M A RESIDENT OF SOUTHLAKE.

I'VE LIVED HERE FOR, I DON'T KNOW, WAY TOO MANY YEARS; 30 YEARS.

MY HUSBAND AND I THOUGH, RECENTLY PURCHASED TROPICAL SNOW.

WE PURCHASED IT LAST YEAR.

WE OPENED ON FRIDAY.

IN CASE ANYBODY. YEAH. FRIDAY 4:00.

PUTTING IT IN THE CALENDAR.

YEAH. LET'S GO WRITE IT DOWN. FRIDAY, 4:00.

YOU KNOW, BOTH OF US HAVE CORPORATE EXECUTIVE BACKGROUNDS.

AND HONESTLY, WE SAW IT FOR SALE ON FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE.

WE HAVE TEENAGERS AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS, AND THEY TWISTED OUR ARMS.

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SO HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

COMMENTS. LOVE IT.

ANYTHING. WE'RE EXCITED THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE RE-UPPING AND YOU TAKE CREDIT CARDS NOW.

CORRECT? WE DO. THAT'S A HUGE DEAL.

THE WHOLE THING CREDIT CARDS, APPLE PAY, THE KIDS LIKE THE CASH APP OPTION.

I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT WORK ON THE CASH REGISTER, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR US DO, AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS SO.

[LAUGHTER] I LOVE IT ALL THE WAY AROUND.

WELL, THANKS VERY MUCH, MS. BROWER. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. LOOKING FORWARD TO ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL SUMMER.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 6A? SEEING NONE.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CALL FOR A MOTION.

YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6A RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-011.

CASE NUMBER ZA24-0002.

SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR OUTDOOR SALES OR SERVICES FOR TROPICAL SNOW OF SOUTHLAKE ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 63 F THROOP NUMBER 1511 ADDITION AND LOT ONE, BLOCK ONE, YATES CORNER ADDITION, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS AND LOCATED AT 2190 EAST DOVE ROAD AND 1604 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 26TH, 2024, NOTING, WE'RE APPROVING AN OUTDOOR SALES OR SERVICES SUP FOR TROPICAL SNOW, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 26TH, 2024, FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD AND ALSO SUBJECT TO THE P&Z COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION, NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO HELP KEEP TRASH CLEANED UP ALONG NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

OKAY, WE HAVE MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

AND ITEM 6A PASSES SIX ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS. LOOKING FORWARD TO FRIDAY.

ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT MOVE ON TO ITEM 6B WHICH IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-012 ZA24-0005 SUP FOR MASS

[6.B. Resolution No. 24-012, ZA24-0005, Specific Use Permit for a Mass Gathering for Southlake Carroll Dragons Homecoming Parade on property described as Grand Avenue District and Phase I of Southlake Town Square, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas; and generally located between N. Carroll Avenue, E. Southlake Boulevard and S.H. 114, Southlake, Texas. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING ]

ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR MATERIAL ISSUES FROM LAST YEAR? THIS IS SUBSTANTIALLY THE EVENT AND PARADE THAT THEY'VE CARRIED ON FOR THE PAST, I BELIEVE FIVE YEARS.

THEY'RE REQUESTING ANOTHER FIVE YEAR EXTENSION OF THAT.

OKAY, GLAD TO REFER TO ANY SLIDES YOU'D LIKE.

COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY ISSUES WITH THIS? OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SO THIS ITEM IS PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.

IF THERE'S ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 6B I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SEEING NONE.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COUNCIL CALL FOR A MOTION.

YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6B RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-012, CASE NUMBER ZA24-0005.

SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MASS GATHERING FOR SOUTHLAKE CARROLL DRAGONS HOMECOMING PARADE ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS GRAND AVENUE DISTRICT AND PHASE ONE OF SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE.

CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND GENERALLY LOCATED BETWEEN NORTH CARROLL AVENUE, EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AND STATE HIGHWAY 114 IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 26TH, 2024, NOTING, WE'RE APPROVING A MASS GATHERING SUP FOR SOUTHLAKE CARROLL DRAGONS HOMECOMING PARADE IN SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 26TH, 2024, FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

OKAY. ITEM 6B PASSES SIX ZERO.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

OKAY MOVING ON TO ITEM 6C RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-013A 24-006 SUP FOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWERS, ANTENNAS OR

[6.C. Resolution No. 24-013, ZA24-0006, Specific Use Permit for Telecommunications Towers, Antennas, or Ancillary Structures for NuStar on property described as Tract 1, Brumlow Industrial District, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 1700 Mustang Court, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "1-2" Heavy Industrial District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING ]

DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, WHY DON'T YOU JUST RUN US THROUGH THIS VERY BRIEFLY.

OKAY, SURE. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF BRUMLOW AND HIGHWAY 26.

IT'S ZONED HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND UNDER USE AS A PETROLEUM TANK FARM AND OPERATION.

THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS TO RAISE A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ANTENNA THAT COMMUNICATES WITH THEIR SITE AT THIS LOCATION TO A SITE TO THE NORTH EASTERLY DIRECTION OF THIS AN ADDITIONAL 20FT.

IT WAS APPROVED AT 30FT.

THEY'RE ASKING TO RAISE THIS TO 50FT.

SOME OF THE NEW WAREHOUSE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S UNDERWAY IS GOING TO CAUSE INTERFERENCE WITH THEIR ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE BETWEEN THESE TWO FACILITIES.

SO THIS IS JUST TO RAISE THE HEIGHT OF THAT.

OKAY, COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS OR ISSUES? SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ITEM 6C IS A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.

I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD FROM MR. THOMAS EITZEN.

ARE YOU THE APPLICANT OR CONTRACTOR? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL IT'S GOING WELL FOR YOU. SO YOU CAN SIT DOWN.

ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 6C.

OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COUNCIL.

IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6C RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-013, CASE NUMBER ZA24-0006.

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SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 26TH, 2024, AND NOTING WE'RE APPROVING THE SUP FOR NUSTAR TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING ANTENNA TOWER FROM 30FT TO 50FT. AND THAT'S AGAIN SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 26TH, 2024.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

OKAY COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON STEPPED OUT SO THAT ITEM PASSES 5 TO 0.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX D RESOLUTION.

[6.D. Resolution No. 24-014, adopting a tax abatement policy; establishing guidelines and criteria for tax abatement agreements; and, electing to continue eligibility to participate in tax abatement. PUBLIC HEARING ]

DIRECTOR CORTEZ, I BELIEVE THIS IS AN EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING POLICY THAT WE HAVE TO EXTEND VIA STATE LAW.

THAT'S CORRECT. FOR TWO YEARS? EVERY TWO YEARS. EVERY TWO YEARS.

THERE ARE NO CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS POLICY.

OKAY. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? THANK YOU SIR.

ITEM 6D AS WELL AS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THAT PUBLIC HEARING IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK.

SEEING NONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE A MOTION.

YES. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6D RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-014 ADOPTING A TAX ABATEMENT POLICY, ESTABLISHING GUIDELINES AND CRITERIA FOR TAX ABATEMENT AGREEMENTS, AND ELECTING TO CONTINUE ELIGIBILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN TAX ABATEMENT.

AND THAT IS TO RENEW THE TAX ABATEMENT POLICY FOR A TWO YEAR TERM.

WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

OKAY. ITEM 6D PASSES 6 TO 0.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY, BEFORE WE TAKE UP OUR LAST TWO ITEMS, IT'S 7:00 NOW.

SO I'M GOING TO PIVOT BACK TO OUR PUBLIC FORUM.

SO OUR PUBLIC FORUM FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE, IS OUR OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ABOUT ANY ITEMS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

SO I NOTICE I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS ABOUT 7A, 7B AND 7C.

IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THOSE ITEMS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO TALK TO US NOW IF YOU WANT OR YOU'RE WELCOME TO WAIT, BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON ALL OF THOSE ITEMS AS WELL AS WE USUALLY DO. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP PUBLIC FORUM FOR ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING, NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

ANYTHING AT ALL? OKAY, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THESE OUT OF ORDER.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 7C FIRST, WHICH IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-812 ZA23-0073.

[7.C. Ordinance No. 480-812, ZA23-0073, 1st Reading , Zoning Change and Site Plan for Tommy's Car Wash, for property described as Lot 13, Block 3R, Cimmarron Acres, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 101 N. Pearson Lane, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "C-2" Local Retail Commercial District. Requested Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #11 . ]

DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. TAKE IT AWAY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 101 NORTH PEARSON LANE.

THIS IS AT THE NORTHEAST INTERSECTION OF NORTH PEARSON AND WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE SITE.

CURRENT ZONING ON THIS IS C2.

AND THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS IS RETAIL COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2005 FOR THIS SIDE.

IT WAS AN APPROXIMATELY 18,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL BUILDING.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CHANGE ZONING OF THIS, WHICH IS CURRENTLY C-2, TO AN SP2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT WITH C-2 USES AND REGULATIONS TO ALLOW A SELF SERVICE AUTOMATED CAR WASH ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, AND A SITE PLAN IS INCLUDED FOR THAT ELEMENT OF THE SITE AND ALLOW FOR A FUTURE PAD SITE OF APPROXIMATELY 11,000 OR, EXCUSE ME, APPROXIMATELY 6900FT² IN FLOOR AREA.

THAT WOULD REQUIRE A FUTURE SITE PLAN APPROVAL IF THIS ITEM IS ULTIMATELY PASSED.

THIS IS A CLOSE UP OF THE CAR WASH FACILITY.

THEY INTEND TO RETAIN ALL EXISTING C2 USES ON THE SIDE UNDER THE SP2 AND ADD THE SELF SERVICE AUTOMATED CAR WASH AS A PERMITTED USE.

THIS IS A TREE CONSERVATION PLAN FOR WHICH THEY HAVE NOTED A VARIANCE TO ALLOW REMOVAL OF WHAT EXISTING TREES ARE ON THE SITE. THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE LOCATED IN THE NEEDED BUILDING AREA.

THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

A COUPLE OF ITEMS NOTED IN THEIR PROPOSED REGULATIONS UNDER THE SP2 ZONING.

THE SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD FRONTAGE REQUIRES A 20 FOOT WIDE BUFFER YARD WITH PLANTINGS AS SPECIFIED FOR THAT TYPE BUFFER YARD.

AND THEY'RE ASKING THAT IT BE REDUCED TO AS LITTLE AS 17FT AND SOME OF THE WIDTH OF THAT.

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AND THIS IS ACTUALLY TO ACCOMMODATE AVOIDING INTERFERENCE WITH CITY'S WATER PIPELINES THAT ARE LOCATED IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

THIS IS THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.

THIS IS SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD FRONTAGE OF THAT FACILITY.

THE MATERIALS TO BE USED ARE A SPLIT FACE MASONRY BLOCK AND CHARCOAL COLORED BRICK AND GRAY BRICK. AND ACCENT METAL ELEMENTS ON VARIOUS COMPONENTS OF THE BUILDING.

THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION.

THIS WOULD BE FACING TOWARDS THE PEARSON LANE.

AND THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE BUILDING WITH A PERSPECTIVE FROM THE SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD FRONTAGE LOOKING NORTHEAST. THIS IS A VIEW OF RENDERING FOR THE NORTH BOUNDARY.

THIS WOULD JUST INCLUDE SHRUBS AND THE PLANT MATERIAL.

ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS TO AVOID INTERFERENCE WITH THE CITY PIPELINE THAT RUNS FROM THOSE GROUND STORAGE TANKS.

THE APPLICANT INCLUDED A SOUND STUDY AND COLORED TOPOGRAPHIC IMAGE OF THE SOUND.

AND THE IN PARTICULAR, THE AREAS THAT ARE RESIDENTIALLY DESIGNATED ALL ARE ESTIMATED TO BE WELL BELOW THE MAXIMUM NIGHT TIME OR WEEKEND SUNDAY IN PARTICULAR, NOISE LEVELS.

AND LIKEWISE EXTENDING INTO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ACROSS SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

VARIATIONS, AS MENTIONED EARLIER.

MOST OF THESE WITH THE SP2 ZONING REGULATIONS FOR BUILDINGS IN THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY THAT ARE 6000FT² OR LESS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A PITCHED ROOF TYPE CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEY ARE PROPOSING A CURVED STRUCTURE WITH FLAT ROOF ON PORTIONS OF THAT.

ALSO WITH PLACEMENT OF THE TRASH ENCLOSURE.

THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS CITY OWNED BUT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, AND IT REQUIRES A MINIMUM 50 FOOT SETBACK FOR TRASH ENCLOSURES FROM A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR ROUGHLY A 23 FOOT.

AND AS I MENTIONED, ON THE NORTH BUFFER YARD THEY'RE ASKING FOR REDUCTION OF PLANT MATERIAL, JUST ALLOWING SHRUBS TO BE PUT IN THAT BUFFER YARD DUE TO CITY'S WATER MAIN IN THAT AREA.

ON THE SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD FRONTAGE THEY'RE ASKING ONCE AGAIN FOR US, A BUFFER YARD THAT IS ROUGHLY 17FT AND MAJORITY OF ITS WIDTH.

AND PLANTING MATERIALS IS NOTED.

THE WEST LANDSCAPE BUFFER YARD THEY'RE ASKING TO DEFER THAT UNTIL SITE PLANNING AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE RETAIL PAD SITE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE PEARSON LANE FRONTAGE.

ONCE AGAIN, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, A VARIANCE TO TREE PRESERVATION ALLOW REMOVAL OF THE TREES THAT ARE IN THAT BUILDING PAD AREA, AND THEN THERE IS A VARIANCE IN THE SPACING FROM THE INTERSECTION OF THE DRIVEWAY ON PEARSON LANE.

THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT TO BE JUST UNDER 250FT.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 200FT FROM THAT INTERSECTION.

WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES FROM THOSE IN THE NOTICE AREA.

THERE WERE A FEW OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE HAROLD PLACE SUBDIVISION THAT DID APPEAR AT P&Z AND HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH REGARD TO THE REQUEST.

THIS ITEM DID PASS P&Z 4 TO 1.

SUBJECT TO STAFF REVIEW SUMMARY AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW.

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APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION OF THEIR OWN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT AS WELL.

DENNIS, DO YOU HAVE THE EXISTING TREE COVERAGE? TAKE A LOOK AT. SURE.

SO THIS IS REALLY NOT MUCH.

IT'S JUST A COUPLE OF SMALL GROVES OF TREES.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF RIGHT NOW? OKAY. THANK YOU SIR.

THE APPLICANT HERE. ACTUALLY, CAN WE? MAYOR, CAN I ASK DENNIS IF HE KNOWS WHY COMMISSIONER FOREMAN VOTED A DENIAL.

I DO NOT KNOW THE SPECIFIC REASONS FOR HIS DENIAL.

THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU SIR.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? OH, YEAH.

WOULD YOU LIKE THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION? PLEASE YES. ALL RIGHT.

COME ON DOWN.

GUYS IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN GO AHEAD AND RUN THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION AND COUNCIL PROBABLY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR HAVING US TONIGHT AND HEARING US OUT.

I WROTE SOME STUFF DOWN BECAUSE I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT THESE THINGS, BUT SO MY NAME IS MIKE ROSEBERRY.

I'M REPRESENTING 101 NORTH PEARSON.

I'M HERE ACTUALLY WITH MY DAD.

HE'S IN THE BACK. WE'RE GOING TO BE THE LOCAL OWNERS OF THIS CAR WASH.

TODAY TOGETHER, WE HAVE AROUND CLOSE TO 50 YEARS OF BUSINESS EXPERIENCE.

THIS WILL BE OUR SECOND LOCATION FOR OUR CAR WASH.

WE OPERATE ONE IN DALLAS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.

TODAY, I ALSO HAVE WE HAVE OUR DEVELOPER PARTNER, TANNER HERE, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND A CIVIL ENGINEER AS WELL.

SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM? THIS WILL BE FAMILY OWNED AND OPERATED.

WE LIVE FIVE MINUTES DOWN THE ROAD FROM THIS SITE.

WE CHOSE THIS SITE BECAUSE WE SEE A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR NOT ONLY OURSELVES, SELFISHLY FOR THE BUSINESS, BUT ALSO FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT WE'D BE SERVING CLOSE TO 80,000 PEOPLE WITHIN THREE MILES.

THERE'S ROUGHLY CLOSE TO 50,000 CARS A DAY IN FRONT OF THAT SITE.

THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, A LOT OF CARS, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM THIS TYPE OF CAR WASH.

A LOT OF THE CONCERNS AT P&Z THAT WE'VE HEARD BEFORE IS THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT THERE'S OTHER CAR WASHES IN TOWN.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I'M NOT KNOCKING ANY OTHER CAR WASH IN TOWN.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER GOOD CAR WASHES, SOME OF THE FULL SERVICE CAR WASHES, THE QUICK CAR OR THE CARNATION.

THEY DO A GREAT JOB.

BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO WAIT 20 MINUTES OR AN HOUR TO GET YOUR CAR DONE.

COSTS $100 PLUS TO GET YOUR CAR DONE.

SOME PEOPLE JUST WANT A REALLY QUICK WASH.

THEY WANT A TWO MINUTE WASH.

THEY CAN GET IN BEFORE WORK OR AFTER WORK, OR BEFORE THEY DROP THE KIDS OFF AT SCHOOL OR AFTERWARDS.

AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S A TWO MINUTE WASH.

IT DOES A FANTASTIC JOB.

IT'S BY FAR THE BEST CAR WASH EXPRESS CAR WASH IN THE MARKET.

I'VE SEEN A LOT A CAR WASHES IN TOWN, A LOT OF THEM IN THE AREA.

THEY DON'T. THEY'RE NOT WELL MAINTAINED.

THEY DON'T HOLD THE SAME STANDARDS THAT WE HOLD.

AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN ALSO IN THIS AREA YOU GET REALLY INTERMITTENT WEATHER, RIGHT? YOU SPEND $100 ON YOUR CAR, GET A WASH, THEN TWO DAYS LATER IT RAINS.

SO IT'S JUST PROVIDES A NICE OPTION FOR PEOPLE.

GET A NICE EXTERIOR WASH.

AND THEN WE DO HAVE FREE VACUUMS. WE HAVE FREE MAT WASHERS.

AND THEN I PROVIDE FREE TOWELS AS WELL.

SO IT IS AN OPTION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO LIKE.

SO I HAVE GONE TO THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS NEARBY.

I'VE GIVEN THEM MY PERSONAL BUSINESS CARD, WHICH HAS MY CELL PHONE ON IT.

I SAID, LOOK, IF THIS THING PASSES AND WE BUILD A CAR WASH HERE, PLEASE.

YOU HAVE MY CELL PHONE, LIKE, TEXT ME, CALL ME IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES.

I'LL GET IT TAKEN CARE OF.

I LIVE CLOSE BY. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT WITH OTHER BIG PRIVATE EQUITY, YOU KNOW, CAR WASH GROUPS IN THE AREA.

SO I REALLY TAKE VALUE IN IT.

AND MY TEAM IS THE SAME WAY.

SO WE WILL HIRE LOCAL, TEACH RESPONSIBILITY AND LEADERSHIP.

ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, ESPECIALLY OUR LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE EMPLOYEES, RUN BACKGROUND CHECKS AND PERSONALITY CHECKS, TESTS ON EVERYBODY.

I DO A PREDICTIVE INDEX TEST ON ALL MY EMPLOYEES AS WELL.

ONE THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US IS, IS GETTING INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.

I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE LIKE OUR OTHER WASH WE'RE INVOLVED IN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AS WELL OUT THERE.

AND WE'LL JOIN THE CHAMBER HERE.

WE DO PARTNER WITH LOCAL SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES TO WHERE 10% OF ALL THE PROCEEDS THAT COME THROUGH OUR BUSINESS GO BACK IMMEDIATELY BACK TO THE CHURCHES AND THE SCHOOLS.

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SO IT'S JUST A NICE THING FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN ALSO IN ANOTHER LIFE, I WAS A PARAMEDIC YEARS AGO, SO PUBLIC SERVICE IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.

SO ANY FIRST RESPONDERS OR MILITARY OR VETERANS GET 20% OFF MEMBERSHIPS OR SINGLE WASHES AND THAT DOESN'T GO AWAY.

SO REAL QUICKLY, I'LL OUR I JUST WANT TO GET INTO THE CAR WASH REAL QUICK AND THEN TANNER CAN TALK TO IT ABOUT IT AS WELL.

BUT IT IS VERY DIFFERENT.

IT'S DIFFERENT THAN OTHER EXPRESS CAR WASHES ON THE MARKET.

WE HAVE A REALLY CLEAN LOOK.

WE HAVE THE TOP OF THE LINE EQUIPMENT.

TOMMY'S CORPORATE. THEY SPEND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR IN JUST TRYING TO R&D, TRYING TO GET THE EQUIPMENT BETTER AND MAKE IT BETTER AND ALWAYS CHANGING AND ADAPTING TO NEW CHANGES WITH VEHICLES BECAUSE THINGS ARE CHANGING ON VEHICLES ALL THE TIME.

SO WE'RE ALWAYS IMPROVING OUR TECHNOLOGY.

WE HAVE A TRACK SYSTEM, SO YOU PULL THE VEHICLE IN ONTO A TRACK AND WE CAN ACTUALLY FIT DOOLEY VEHICLES, OR WE CAN FIT, OBVIOUSLY HIGH END SPORTS CARS AND NOT HAVING TO BE LOADED LIKE A LOT OF OTHER EXPRESS WASHES IN THE AREA, THAT CAN DAMAGE THE VEHICLES.

AND THIS ALSO GIVES ALTERNATE CAR WASH FOR BIGGER TRUCKS LIKE MY TRUCK WILL NOT FIT IN THE LOCAL CAR WASHES, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT FITS IN MY WASH, SO IT'S A NICE OPTION. WE HAVE HOURLY INSPECTIONS, SO ALL MY CREW, THEY GO THROUGH HOURLY INSPECTIONS, THEY CHECK EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT INSIDE AND OUT, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS WORKING PROPERLY, INCLUDING IN THE HOURLY INSPECTIONS.

MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS CLEAN SO NO GARBAGE.

WE CLEAN THE INSIDE OF THE VACUUMS, MAINTAIN ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND THEN WHAT WE ALSO DO DURING THE HOURLY INSPECTION THAT NO OTHER CAR WASH DOES IS WE SPRAY DOWN ALL OUR BRUSHES SO WE TAKE A BIG FIRE HOSE.

WE SPRAY DOWN ALL OUR BRUSHES BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A TUNNEL.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PREVIOUS VEHICLES HAD ON THEM.

A LOT OF CARS HAVE RUST.

SOME CARS HAVE MUD.

THEY COULD HAVE PIECES OF METAL FLAKING OFF AND THEN YOUR VEHICLE HITS IT.

SO WE SPRAY DOWN THE BRUSHES EVERY HOUR.

AND A LOT OF OTHER CAR WASHES IN THE AREA TOO.

THEY DON'T CLEAN THE BRUSHES UNTIL THE VERY END OF THE NIGHT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T.

SO WE HAVE A SUPER WIDE TUNNEL TO WHERE MY EMPLOYEES CAN GO IN THE TUNNEL WHILE IT'S BEING OPERATED, AND WE CAN GO IN THERE AND CLEAN AND WASH DOWN THE BRUSHES TO HELP IMPROVE THE WASH QUALITY.

THE OTHER THING TOO, AT THE ENTRANCE, WE DON'T USE A DIRTY MOP BUCKET.

A LOT OF THESE OTHER CAR WASHES, THEY'LL PRE WASH DOWN THE VEHICLES AS THEY WALK IN OR AS THEY DRIVE IN, AND THAT WATER IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THAT WATER.

SO WE DON'T DO THAT.

YEAH. AND I MEAN, I THINK I TOUCHED ON EVERYTHING.

THE LAST THING I DO WANT TO MAKE NOTE FOR THE RECORD, TOO, I DID MEET WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RONELL SMITH, AND I HAVE HIS FULL SUPPORT.

SO JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I ANSWERED ALL HIS QUESTIONS AND HE'S GOOD WITH IT.

SO, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

THANKS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT.

ALL RIGHT. HANG TIGHT. WE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS SIR.

YOU WANT ANYTHING TO ADD.

YEAH. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS TANNER BRANCH WITH CHRISTIANSEN COMPANIES.

WE'RE THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROJECT.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ROSEBERY'S AND JUST WOULD LIKE TO RUN YOU THROUGH A QUICK PRESENTATION HERE.

MIKE, HIT ON SOME OF THESE SOME OF THIS INFORMATION ON, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL BRAND WITH, YOU KNOW, LOCAL OWNERS STATE OF THE ART TECHNOLOGY THAT USES LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY. SO, ONCE YOU'RE A TOMMY CLUB MEMBER, YOU GET UNLIMITED WASHES.

ONCE YOU PAY THAT MONTHLY FEE.

YOU IT JUST WILL PUT YOUR LICENSE PLATE IN THE APP.

YOU DRIVE RIGHT UP TO THE EXPRESS LANE, AND IT LETS YOU RIGHT THROUGH AS A FAST PASS.

SO, THESE WASHES, LIKE HE SAID, TAKE TWO, 2.5 MINUTES.

SO, YOU CAN REALLY CYCLE CARS IN THROUGH THERE VERY QUICKLY.

AND JUST ELIMINATE ANY ISSUES WITH STACKING.

AND HE MENTIONED MOST OF THE OTHER THINGS HERE.

ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY.

ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WATER THAT'S USED IN THE WASH GETS REUSED AND PUT BACK THROUGH A SAND OIL RECEPTOR AND THEN BACK AND USED ON LATER CARS ON THE LOWER PORTIONS OF THOSE CARS FOR THOSE WASHES.

ALL THE DETERGENTS AND EVERYTHING ARE BIODEGRADABLE.

THERE'S NO, NO ISSUES WITH ENVIRONMENTALLY UNSAFE PRODUCTS.

AND EVERYTHING GOES INTO ALL THE WATER, GOES INTO THE SANITARY SEWER ONCE IT'S ONCE IT'S FINISHED.

I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY TOUCH ON THE DEVIATIONS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING HERE.

THE TRASH ENCLOSURE BEING LESS THAN 50FT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT IT'S.

THIS IS WHERE OUR TRASH ENCLOSURE IS.

THERE IS THIS EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY WALL THAT WILL BE COVERING THAT.

IT'S REALLY THE BEST AREA WE CAN PUT IT TO MAKE IT THE LEAST VISIBLE FOR ANYBODY.

AND THAT LAND THAT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL IS THE CITY OWNED LAND THAT'S USED FOR THE WATER PLANT THERE.

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THEY'RE REALLY KIND OF RIGHT IN BUILDABLE AREAS.

SO, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE PLANTING WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE PLANTED FOR THE LANDSCAPE CODE PITCHED ROOF THAT WE DO HAVE A TECHNICALLY PITCHED ROOF, BUT IT IS NOT THE KIND OF RESIDENTIAL LOOKING PITCHED ROOF.

SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER DEVIATION WE'RE LOOKING FOR, MR. KILLOUGH MENTIONED, THE LANDSCAPE MATERIALS ON THE NORTH SIDE.

WE'RE JUST KIND OF FOLLOWING STAFF'S LEAD ON THAT ONE.

SO, WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEM ON THIS.

AND THEN THE BUFFER ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS JUST BECAUSE THE PROPERTY LINE GOES TO HERE.

SO, WE'RE JUST MOVING THAT BUFFER TO, TO THIS THAT FIVE-FOOT BUFFER TO HERE SO THAT IT MEETS THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE.

THE LAST THING IS THE DEFERRED SIDEWALK.

THIS IS THE SIDEWALK OR THE ROAD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

IT'S NOT THERE'S NO CURB.

WOULD NOT BE SAFE TO PUT A SIDEWALK HERE.

WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN JUST PUT MONEY INTO ESCROW FOR WHENEVER THERE'S ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ON PEARSON, AND THE MONEY CAN BE USED AT THAT TIME.

SO THOSE ARE THE DEVIATIONS WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

YOU WILL ENTER IN HERE.

AND THESE ARE THE TWO LANES.

THIS IS THE LANE THAT HAS A CASHIER.

AND THEN THE SECOND LANE HAS A IS THE EXPRESS LANE FOR THE TOMMY CLUB MEMBERS.

THESE ARE ALL VACUUM STALLS THROUGH HERE.

YOU'VE GOT PARKING, HANDICAP PARKING HERE.

AND THEN AS IT WAS MENTIONED, THIS IS JUST PURELY CONCEPTUAL.

WE DON'T OWN THIS PIECE OF LAND.

WE'RE RENTING THIS SIDE OF THE LAND, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN HERE.

WE JUST WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING THAT WAS CONCEPTUAL AS WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO THERE IN THE FUTURE.

THESE ARE THE RENDERINGS.

SO, YOU CAN SEE HERE THERE'S THE CASHIER APP OR CASHIER LANE AND THEN THE APP OR TOMMY CLUB MEMBER LANE THERE.

SO, THERE'S THAT EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY WALL.

IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW.

REALLY HELPED WITH VISIBILITY AND NOISE.

SPEAKING OF NOISE, THIS IS THE NOISE STUDY HERE.

AS MR. KILLOUGH MENTIONED.

WE REALLY JUST WANTED TO BE BELOW.

HAD TO BE BELOW THE SUNDAY NOISE, SINCE THAT'S THE MOST STRINGENT THRESHOLD.

AND WE ARE ON ALL RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL UNDER THE 65 FOR COMMERCIAL UNDER THE 55 FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL.

SO, THIS IS WITH OUR WE PUT VACUUM MUFFLERS ON THE VACUUMS AND ADJUST OUR BLOWERS AND WITH THAT MASONRY WALL.

SO, THIS GETS THE NOISE TO NOT BE AN ISSUE FOR YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE BELOW THE NOISE CODE.

SO, WE'RE YOU KNOW, MEETING THAT CRITERION.

THIS IS THE LIGHTING STUDY THAT WE HAD DONE.

THE LIGHTING WILL REALLY ONLY EXTEND TO TO THIS POINT WHERE ANYBODY CAN SEE IT VISIBLE.

THEY'RE ALL DOWN LIGHTS.

WE DID HEAR THAT THERE WERE SOME THOUGHTS ON LIGHTING.

MORE SO ABOUT FLASHING LIGHTS OR PULSATING LIGHTS.

CERTAIN TOMMY'S DO OFFER THAT OPTION.

IT'S MORE IF YOU'RE IN A WALMART PAD LOT OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE NOT NEAR RESIDENTIAL.

THE ROSEBERRY'S DON'T PLAN ON HAVING THE FLASHING LIGHTS IN THE WASH.

SO, THERE WILL JUST BE THE LIGHTING FOR THE WASH JUST IN THE PARKING LOT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING FLASHING OR COLORED LIGHTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND THESE ARE JUST THOSE LIGHTS THAT ARE ALL DOWN LIGHTS AND SHIELDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T SPREAD, AND THEY AREN'T VISIBLE TO ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS.

AND THEN I WILL BRING UP STEVE TO COME TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE HAD DONE, JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT IN THE LAST MEETING.

GOOD EVENING, I'M STEVE STONER WITH WESTWOOD PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FROM DALLAS, 7557 RAMBLER ROAD.

I PREPARED THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE BY THE STAFF AND SOME OF THE STEPS THAT WE TAKE WHEN WE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY.

ONE OF THE KEY PIECES OF INFORMATION IS WHAT WE CALL TRIP GENERATION.

THERE ARE NATIONAL AVERAGE NUMBERS PROVIDED IN OUR INDUSTRY STANDARDS, BUT I DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THAT DATA BECAUSE I KNOW FROM JUST PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE HOW CAR WASHES HAVE BEEN CHANGING OVER THE YEARS.

AND SO WE DID A CUSTOM TRIP GENERATION STUDY AT ANOTHER TIME SITE IN THE DALLAS AREA.

SO, WHAT THESE GRAPHS ARE SHOWING YOU, THE ONE ON THE LEFT JUST SHOWS BY HOUR OF DAY HOW THE TRIP GENERATION VARIED THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

THE TALLER GREEN AND YELLOW GRAPH IS A SATURDAY.

SO, THE PEAK CONDITIONS PEAK TRIP GENERATION DOES OCCUR ON A SATURDAY.

THE BLUE GRAPH ON THE RIGHT IS A RELATIVE COMPARISON OF THE VOLUME OF CAR WASHES BY MONTH OF YEAR.

SO, WHEN WE WERE AUTHORIZED TO DO OUR STUDY, IT HAPPENED TO BE DECEMBER, AND I SUSPECTED THAT DECEMBER WAS NOT A TYPICAL MONTH.

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AND SO, WE TOOK THE DATA WE COLLECTED IN DECEMBER AND FACTORED IT UP TO AN AUGUST CONDITION, WHICH IS THE PEAK MONTH.

AND IN FACT, AUGUST IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN ALL THE OTHER MONTHS.

SO, WHICH OBVIOUSLY KIND OF MAKES SENSE.

SO, OUR STUDY IS BASED ON THAT DATA RATHER THAN NATIONAL AVERAGE DATA.

OKAY. THIS NEXT GRAPHIC IS JUST AN ESTIMATE OF THE ORIENTATION OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WE EXPECT TO. ENTER AND EXIT THE SITE.

OBVIOUSLY, WE EXPECT MOST OF IT TO BE OFF SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AND SOME OFF THE SIDE STREETS, AND THIS IS INTENDED TO JUST SHOW THAT THE SITE HAS TWO DIFFERENT DRIVEWAYS AND, IN THE TRAFFIC, WILL BE SPREAD OUT AMONG THE DIFFERENT DRIVEWAYS.

ANOTHER QUESTION THAT THE STAFF ASKED US WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY AT THE OUTSET WAS ABOUT QUEUING.

SO, WHEN WE DID OUR TRIP GENERATION STUDY AT THE OTHER TOMMY'S SITE.

WE ALSO OBSERVED THE QUEUING.

SO, WHEN WE IDENTIFIED WHAT THOSE HIGHEST VOLUME HOURS WERE AND WENT BACK AND WATCHED VIDEO OF THE QUEUING AT THOSE TIMES.

AND THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF VEHICLES IN QUEUE DURING OUR DECEMBER DATA WAS SIX.

SO, WHEN WE FACTOR THAT TO THE AUGUST DATA, LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER THAT NUMBER PRETTY MUCH DOUBLES TO 12.

SO, 12 IS OUR ESTIMATE OF THE GREATEST NUMBER OF VEHICLES IN QUEUE DURING THE BUSIEST MONTH.

AND I BELIEVE THAT MR. ROSEBERRY CAN TALK ABOUT, IF YOU WERE CURIOUS THAT THEY HAVE MEASURES THAT THEY COULD TAKE IF IT EVER DID GET TOO EXTENSIVE.

SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE TECHNICAL ELEMENTS THAT WERE PART OF OUR TRAFFIC STUDY.

PERFECT. THANK YOU.

SO THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE FOR NOW.

SO, WE'RE OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS ON THE LANDSCAPE PIECE NEXT TO PEARSON.

IT SAYS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING NOW.

WE'RE NOT GETTING RID OF THAT.

TOTALLY. YOU'RE JUST WAITING UNTIL YOU POTENTIALLY DEVELOP THAT SITE TO PUT IN THAT LANDSCAPE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ON ONE OF YOUR ONE OF YOUR POINTS IS YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY LANDSCAPE ALONG PEARSON CURRENTLY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT APPROVING.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT BUFFER AND PUT THAT IN WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING ON THAT.

SO THAT WAS JUST FOR THE FOR THAT SIDEWALK THAT IS, THAT IS NEEDED TO GO IN THAT WAS REQUIRED.

BUT THAT WEST SIDE IS NOT THE LAND THAT WE OWN, BUT WE WILL ONCE THAT GETS SITE PLANNED, THEN THEY'LL PUT IN THE LANDSCAPING ALONG PEARSON AS WELL AS THE SIDEWALK, BUT THE SIDEWALK IS JUST TO BE DEFERRED UNTIL PEARSON GETS RECONSTRUCTED.

I THINK. I THINK MAYBE DIRECTOR KILLOUGH COULD ANSWER THAT.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING ALONG PEARSON, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE DONE AT A LATER DATE.

THE REGULATIONS INDICATED THEY WOULD DEFER THAT UNTIL THE RETAIL PAD SITE BECAUSE THAT BECAUSE THE WEST SIDE IS NOT BEING DEVELOPED YET. CORRECT.

THEY'RE NOT FOREGOING OR ASKING ELIMINATION OF THAT.

THEIR REGULATIONS INDICATED THAT YOU WOULD DEFER THAT UNTIL A RETAIL SITE.

YEAH. CORRECT.

OR WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE THIS IS A SITE PLAN FOR THE WHOLE PIECE.

IT IS A CONCEPT PLAN ON THE WEST SIDE OF IT.

THE WEST SIDE WILL BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK FOR A SITE PLAN.

OKAY, GOTCHA. THIS IS APPROVED BEFORE THEY COULD SUBMIT FOR BUILDING PERMITS.

SO, A COMPLETE LANDSCAPE PLAN, CONVERSATIONS AND EVERYTHING WOULD BE PROVIDED WITH THAT SITE.

SO, THIS IS GOING TO BE BINDING ON WHOEVER PULLS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE WEST SIDE OF IT.

OKAY. GOTCHA. SO REAL QUICK, WHAT MR. HOPKINS OWNS THIS THIS DIRT HERE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE LEASING IT FROM HIM.

AND SO, WHEN WE CAME TO THE CITY AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR MONTHS NOW, THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN OF WHAT MISTER HOPKINS HAS INTENDED TO PUT THERE.

AND AFTER MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH MISTER HOPKINS, HE HAS FULL INTENT TO PUT A RETAIL LOCATION THERE.

SO, I GOT THIS DRAWING FROM THEM.

SO THAT'S WHY WE GOT THE PROBLEM.

YEAH. AND DENNIS, THIS IS SUFFICIENT FOR OUR PURPOSES AS FAR AS THE CONCEPT PLAN.

YES. YES, SIR. OKAY. YES.

ALL RIGHT. SO, COUNCILMEMBER ROBBINS, I MEAN, IS YOUR THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER MAYBE SOMETHING TIME BOUND ON THAT WEST LANDSCAPE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, THEY DECIDE NOT TO DO ANYTHING ELSE, THEN YOU'RE STUCK WITH A NON, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE FINISH THERE.

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I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T APPROVING THAT.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WHEN THEY COME BACK, BECAUSE IT KIND OF READ LIKE THEY AREN'T DOING ANYTHING.

I JUST HE ANSWERED EXACTLY WHAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT.

SO, THEIR ONLY REQUIREMENT IS SIDEWALK OR ESCROW FOR A SIDEWALK? CORRECT. AND THEY'RE JUST ESCROWING FUNDS FOR THAT SIDEWALK, RIGHT.

GIVEN THE CURRENT.

THAT'S FINE. CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES.

YEAH. SUPPORTIVE. THAT MAKES SENSE.

YEAH, YEAH. OKAY.

GOOD QUESTION. AND THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT.

OKAY. THEN I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD, AND THIS IS THE FIRST READING, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.

WE DO HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS.

SO, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON 7.C PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

YES. LET ME READ A FEW OF THESE AND Y'ALL COME ON DOWN.

WITH JUDY FOX, 2208 ROCKWOOD DRIVE, CARROLLTON.

COME ON DOWN. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND THIS APPLIES TO ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND WE'LL HAVE THIS ONE IN THE NEXT CASE.

THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT.

AND WHEN YOU GUYS COME UP AND YOU'LL SEE THE GREEN LIGHT WILL GO ON, WHEN THE TIME STARTS, THE YELLOW LIGHT WILL START BLINKING WHEN YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT.

AND THE RED LIGHT, THAT MEANS YOUR TIME IS UP.

AND WE ENFORCE THAT PRETTY STRICTLY BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT.

ALL COMMENTS COME TO THE AUDIENCE OR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF OR ANYONE JUST TALK TO US AND THEN IT'S PROBABLY MORE APPLICABLE FOR THE NEXT CASE.

BUT WE ASK NO APPLAUSE.

WE WANT TO MOVE THROUGH THESE COMMENTS APACE.

SO, MISS FOX, GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ONE MORE TIME FOR THE RECORD.

SURE. AND GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO YOUR COMMUNITY AND TO ALL OF US IN THIS AREA.

MY NAME IS JUDY FOX.

I LIVE AT 2208 ROCKWOOD DRIVE IN CARROLLTON, TEXAS, 75007 I'M ACTUALLY THE FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION CALLED IGNITE INTERNATIONAL.

I WAS FORMERLY, IN MY EARLIER LIFE, A COLLEGIATE VOLLEYBALL COACH.

I WAS AT UNT. I'VE COACHED KIDS THROUGH CLUB SPORTS FROM SOUTHLAKE AND AND ALL OVER.

I'VE WORKED A LOT WITH OLYMPIC COMMITTEES AND NATIONAL TEAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, TRAINING THEM HOW THEY CAN MAKE AN IMPACT IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

AND MORE RECENTLY, WE HAVE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, STARTED AN INITIATIVE TACKLING THE INTERGENERATIONAL CYCLES OF TRAUMA AND EMPOWERING OUR TEENS AND ADULTS TO BREAK THOSE TEENS AND YOUNG ADULTS TO BREAK THOSE.

WHY AM I SHARING THAT WITH YOU? BECAUSE BACK IN DECEMBER, I HAD A NEIGHBOR WHO CAME TO ME.

WE WERE KIND OF WATCHING THIS CAR WASH GET BUILT A COUPLE MILES FROM MY HOUSE.

THE DALLAS LINE AND THE CARROLLTON LINE ARE VERY FUNKY IN THE DENTON COUNTY LINE, AND THE DALLAS COUNTY LINE ARE ALSO VERY FUNKY.

AND THIS CAR WASH WAS GOING IN, AND MY NEIGHBOR CAME TO ME BACK IN DECEMBER AND SAID, THEY'RE GIVING FREE CAR WASHES ON THIS OPENING WEEKEND.

YOU SHOULD GO. AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, I HAVE A CONVERTIBLE.

I DON'T DRIVE MY CAR THROUGH CAR WASHES.

NOW MY NEIGHBOR IS THE GUY THAT HE WOULD CALL HE'D CALL ON CORN.

TELL THEM IN THE MORNING OUR FREQUENCIES ARE OFF.

YOU NEED TO SEND SOMEBODY OUT.

SO, WHEN THAT NEIGHBOR TELLS ME IT'S SAFE FOR MY CAR TO GO THROUGH A CAR WASH, I WENT.

AND I'M SO GLAD I DID, BECAUSE I GOT TO KNOW THE OWNERS OF THIS CAR WASH, AND WE WERE THE FIRST OF THE NONPROFITS THAT THEY ACTUALLY BENEFITED.

WITH WHAT MIKE SPOKE OF, THAT THEY GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND I CAN TELL YOU, BECAUSE OF THE GENEROSITY OF TOMMY'S CAR WASH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TACKLE THOSE ISSUES IN DENTON COUNTY, IN TARRANT COUNTY ON THIS SIDE, BECAUSE THE ISSUES OF TRAUMA AFFECT ALL OF US, NOT JUST IT'S NOT JUST OAK CLIFF, BUT SOUTHLAKE HAS THEM, TOO.

YOUR KIDS HAVE THEM, TOO.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF YOU CAN SUPPORT A BUSINESS LIKE THIS WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE A HEART LIKE THIS LEADING IN YOUR COMMUNITY LIKE THIS, YOU WILL BE ALSO ALLOWING THEM TO CONTRIBUTE TO.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE A CONDUIT TO TAKE THE FUNDING THAT SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE ABLE TO GENERATE AND FACILITATE THAT IN A WAY THAT CAN MAKE YOUR COMMUNITIES BETTER. AND SO, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THEM IN ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN.

YOU WON'T GO WRONG. AND IF YOU DO HAVE A CONVERTIBLE, YOU ACTUALLY CAN GO THROUGH THIS.

I HAVE A MEMBERSHIP TO TOMMY'S CAR WASH.

I GO THROUGH IT ALL THE TIME.

I DON'T GO THROUGH THE CASH.

I DON'T GO THROUGH THE APP LINE.

I ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE CASH LINE SO THAT I CAN SAY HI TO ALL THE GUYS THAT WORK THERE, AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S A PLEASURE TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF, AND YOU WOULD BE BETTERING YOUR COMMUNITY BY APPROVING WHAT THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THANKS FOR THE TIME TONIGHT.

THANK YOU, MISS FOX.

VERY KIND WORDS.

OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE MISS FRANCILLE CASH.

MISS CASH HERE. OKAY, WELL, SHE WISHES TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THIS ITEM.

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SCHAFER. HERE.

OKAY. SHE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT.

RECORD SUPPORT FOR THIS ITEM WE HAVE JO ELLEN SMALLING.

ITEM SEVEN. SHE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT SUPPORT.

SHE WISHES TO SUPPORT THIS ITEM AND WE HAVE CYNTHIA LEE RYDEN DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT WISHES TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THIS ITEM.

SO, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM SIX? YES, MA'AM. COME ON DOWN.

YOU CAN JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

HI, MY NAME IS TERRY WIBORG AND I LIVE AT 1020 DELACROIX DRIVE.

I MOVED HERE FROM A SUBURB OF CHICAGO IN 2020 AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I LOVE IT HERE.

EVERYTHING FROM OUR UPDATES ABOUT WEATHER, ABOUT CRIME, OUR POLICE STAFF, ALL OF THE ACCESS TO RESTAURANTS, TO SHOPPING.

BUT THE ONE THING IS THE WEATHER IS BIPOLAR.

I THOUGHT THE WEATHER WAS BAD IN CHICAGO AND I NEEDED CAR WASHES, BUT HERE WE GO FROM DUST STORMS TO RAIN.

IT'S JUST A IT'S A MESS.

AND BECAUSE OF IT, MY CAR IS A MESS.

I DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TIME TO GO TO A FULL SERVICE CAR WASH.

IN FACT, I DON'T LIKE TO BECAUSE OFTEN I EITHER HAVE SMALL KIDS IN MY CAR OR I HAVE MY DOGS AND I FREQUENT THAT AREA ALL THE TIME, ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS.

SO I WOULD ENJOY TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO AN EXPRESS CAR WASH.

THAT WOULD TAKE ME A FEW MINUTES WITH MY DOGS, WITH MY SMALL KIDS, AND BE ABLE TO UTILIZE A CAR WASH THAT'S QUICK.

ALSO, I WANTED TO POINT OUT IN CHICAGO I LIVED IN WALKING DISTANCE TO AN EXPRESS CAR WASH AND I WAS NERVOUS.

WHEN WE FIRST WENT IN, I THOUGHT, OH MY GOSH, THIS IS GOING TO BE SO NOISY.

WHAT IS IT GOING TO BRING? IS IT GOING TO CHANGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD? AND I'D LIKE YOU TO KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I WAS IN WALKING DISTANCE, THE NOISE NEVER BOTHERED US.

IT DIDN'T SEEM TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR AREA.

IN FACT, EVERYBODY AROUND THE CAR WASH WERE ORIGINALLY NERVOUS.

ALL IN THE END, GREW TO LOVE THE CAR WASH.

SO, I JUST WANT TO IMPLORE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT THESE SMALL VARIATIONS AND ALLOW THIS CAR WASH, BECAUSE I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO HAVE A CLEAN CAR.

WELL SAID. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 7.C? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ANY ISSUES.

SEEMS LIKE A GOOD BUSINESS. GOOD PEOPLE.

OKAY. SEEING NONE. LET'S TAKE A MOTION.

YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 7.C, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-812.

CASE NUMBER ZA 23-0073.

FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR TOMMY'S CAR WASH FOR PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 13, BLOCK THREE R CIMARRON ACRES.

CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS AND LOCATED AT 101 NORTH PEARSON LANE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 26TH, 2024 AND SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED MARCH 15TH, 2024, NOTING, WE'RE APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR A SELF-SERVICE AUTOMATED CAR WASH WITH A CONCEPTUAL RETAIL STORE, CHANGING THE ZONING FROM C-2 LOCAL RETAIL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO SB TWO GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT WITH C-2 USES TO INCLUDE A SELF-SERVICE AUTOMATED CAR WASH THAT AGAIN IS SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 26TH, 2024 AND SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED MARCH 15TH, 2024.

AND WE'RE GRANTING THE USES, REGULATIONS AND VARIANCES AS PROPOSED.

YEAH, WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

ITEM 7.C PASSES 6-0 ON FIRST READING.

WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS BACK IN TWO WEEKS FOR SECOND READING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEMS SEVEN A AND SEVEN B WHICH WE WILL BE TAKING UP TOGETHER.

[Items 7.A. & 7.B. (Part 1 of 2)]

SO, 7.A IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 1269-B-CP-24-01.

FIRST READING AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE USE LAND PLAN FOR THE OVERLOOK AND 7.B IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-810 ZA-23-0072. FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE OVERLOOK AND WILLOW TREE GARDENS.

DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, TAKE IT AWAY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

CITY COUNCIL, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 240 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE AND INCLUDES PORTIONS OF PROPERTY AT 918 AND 1050 EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATION LIST PROPERTY IS MEDIUM DENSITY.

THE AREA SHOWN IN THE BLACK OUTLINE IS AS PART OF THE 7.A BEING REQUESTED TO CHANGE TO OFFICE COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION.

THAT IS THAT REQUEST ON THIS SLIDE.

AND THIS AREA WAS PART OF A SITE-SPECIFIC CONSIDERATION UNDER OUR CURRENT LAND USE PLAN, IDENTIFIED AS MENDEZ-STRUNK PROPERTIES, AND IT INCLUDED SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT AREA.

ONE OF WHICH WAS FOR PROPERTIES THAT WERE FRONTING ON CARROLL AVENUE.

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GARDEN OFFICE IS TYPICALLY UNDERSTOOD TO BE MORE RESIDENTIAL IN ITS DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS.

THAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ALSO INCLUDED BUFFERING BE PROVIDED BETWEEN THIS THIS PROPERTY AND DEVELOPING OFFICE USES TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT SURROUNDS IT.

IT ALSO STATED THAT THERE IS NO INTENT HERE TO EXTEND CROSS LANE TO INTERSECT WITH. NORTH CARROLL AVENUE.

ALSO, PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT ANY NEW DRIVE CUTS PROPOSED ALONG HERE WOULD NOT BE DESIGNED SUCH THAT THEY WOULD INTERSECT OR ALIGN WITH MAIN STREET.

ADDITIONALLY, ANY OFFICE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS REGION WOULD BE DESIGNED SUCH THAT IT COULD PROVIDE FOR CROSS CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE, THE SITES AS WELL AS ATTAINING ACCESS TO THE TOWER PLAZA INTERSECTION AND CONTROLLED LIGHTED INTERSECTION AT TOWER PLAZA AND EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY ON THE EXISTING MEDICAL OFFICES, AS WELL AS ACCESS BACK TO CARROLL AVENUE.

CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY.

BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS AGRICULTURAL AND SF-1 A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

THESE ARE SOME VIEWS ALONG THE CARROLL AVENUE FRONTAGE.

THE UPPER VIEW IS LOOKING IN A NORTHWESTERN DIRECTION FROM THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.

AND. EXCUSE ME, THE.

LOWER PHOTO IS A VIEW AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER, LOOKING BACK IN A SOUTHWESTERN DIRECTION ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY AT CARROLL AVENUE.

THIS PHOTO IS THE DEAD END AT CROSS LANE INTO THE WEST BOUNDARY OF THIS SITE.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS AN EVOLUTION OF THE PLAN.

AFTER BEING CONSIDERED AT THE FEBRUARY 22ND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

THE UPPER DEVELOPMENT PLAN REPRESENTS WHAT WAS SHOWN AT THAT MEETING.

IT PROPOSED A ROUGHLY 26,000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO-STORY OFFICE BUILDING AND 28 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS. FOLLOWING THAT HEARING, THE APPLICANT TABLED THE ITEM AND CAME BACK TO P&Z AT THEIR LAST MEETING AND PROPOSED A 26-LOT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND REDUCED THE AREA OF THE TWO-STORY OFFICE TO APPROXIMATELY 23,000FT².

A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO IS THAT MOVED IT? PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT MORE SEPARATION FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, AND THEY MODIFIED THEIR PARKING AREAS TO AND ALSO GEOMETRY OF THE NORTHERN DRIVEWAY TO PROVIDE EASIER ACCESS INTO THE SITE AND MEET THE STACKING DEPTHS FOR THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE.

ONE OTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGE BETWEEN THE FIRST PLAN SUBMITTED EMERGENCY ACCESS WAS TO BE PROVIDED WITH A CONTROLLED GATE THAT WOULD ONLY ALLOW FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO OPEN OR CLOSE THAT THAT WAS AT LOCATED AT CROSS LANE AND WHERE THE DEAD END IS THERE.

THE SECOND PLAN RELOCATED THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS TO BE PROVIDED INTO THE COMMERCIAL MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING SITE TO THE SOUTH.

AND THIS IS BLOW UP OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND THIS IS SAME AS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THEIR LAST MEETING.

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THIS IS OVERALL WITH THE FENCING PLAN.

BOUNDARIES SHOWN IN GREEN ARE PROPOSED TO BE EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY WALL AND TO THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY THEY'RE PROPOSING EIGHT-FOOT WOOD FENCE.

NOT SHOWN ON THE PLAN, BUT IN THE RENDERINGS, THE FENCING BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDING WOULD BE A MIX OF WROUGHT IRON AND STONE.

THIS BLOWS UP OF THE OFFICE FACILITY AND SITE DATA SUMMARY FOR THAT.

SO, ROUGHLY 23,000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO-STORY OFFICE BUILDING.

IT IS JUST BEING ESSENTIALLY CONCEPTUALLY SHOWN.

SO, SITE PLAN APPROVAL WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS PRIOR TO BEING ABLE TO APPLY FOR BUILDING PERMITS.

SO, THE OFFICE COMPONENT OF THIS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE.

THEY'RE BEING PARKED AT ROUGHLY ONE SPACE PER 300FT².

THE CALCULATION THEY'RE USING IS 3.3 PER THOUSAND.

SO. THIS IS SITE REGULATOR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS PROPOSED UNDER THE OFFICE.

PROPOSAL. AND THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL PROPOSAL.

WITH A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.

MINIMUM LOT SIZE PROPOSED 5700FT² AND THE AVERAGE IS APPROXIMATELY 6000.

AND DETAIL OF SITE DATA FOR THAT.

THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 20%, ALMOST 21% OPEN SPACE.

BEING REQUIRED OR BEING PROPOSED.

AS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

THEY ARE PROPOSING IN THEIR TRAFFIC REVIEW RECOMMENDS INSTALLATION OF A HOODED LEFT TURN ON NORTH CARROLL FOR NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THEIR MAIN ENTRY DRIVE.

THESE ARE RENDERINGS OF THE OFFICE BUILDING AND RESIDENTIAL.

SO, ARE YOU LOOKING WEST? ANOTHER VIEW FROM CARROLL FRONTAGE FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING.

SO, BE LOOKING ROUGHLY SOUTHEAST.

AND THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE GATED ENTRY FEATURE.

GOING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL FROM THE CARROLL AVENUE ACCESS.

AND RENDERINGS OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND PROPOSED AMENITIES AND LANDSCAPE.

RESPONSES THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM WITHIN THE 300-FOOT NOTIFICATION.

WE'VE RECEIVED FOUR RESPONSES FROM INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIPS IN FAVOR AND ROUGHLY 14 OPPOSED, WITH ONE IDENTIFIED AS UNDECIDED.

AS IT STANDS NOW, THE OPPOSITION THAT'S BEEN FILED, THAT'S WITHIN THE 200-FOOT BUFFER AREA OF THAT NOTE OF NOTICE AREA, PUTS THE OPPOSITION AT APPROXIMATELY 39%, WHICH OPPOSITION RECEIVED IN EXCESS OF 20%, REQUIRES A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE BY THE COUNCIL.

AT YOUR SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING IN ORDER TO APPROVE THE ITEM.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AT THEIR MARCH 21ST MEETING DENIED BOTH THE LAND USE PLAN, AMENDMENT FIVE ZERO AND

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REQUEST 520.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

APPLICANT'S GOT PRESENTATION AND VIDEO.

IF THERE'S ANY OTHER INFORMATION OR QUESTION, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE.

COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? YES, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH DID PLANNING AND ZONING SEE WHAT IS CALLED PLAN B, THE ONE THAT HAS 26 HOUSES RATHER THAN 28? DID P&Z SEE THAT OR VOTE ON THAT, OR WAS IT ON THE 28 HOUSES? YES, THAT WAS THE SECOND PLAN THAT THEY REVIEWED.

IT WENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THEIR, I BELIEVE, FEBRUARY 22ND MEETING AND THE 28 RESIDENTIAL LOT PLAN AND 26,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE PLAN WAS PRESENTED TO THEM AT THAT MEETING.

ALSO, THE EMERGENCY ACCESS, AS I POINTED OUT, WAS BEING PROVIDED THROUGH CROSS LANE.

THE SECOND PLAN THAT WENT BEFORE THEM AT THEIR LAST MEETING MARCH 21ST.

THAT WAS A 26 RESIDENTIAL LOT PLAN, REDUCED THE OFFICE BUILDING TO 23,000FT² AND RELOCATED THE EMERGENCY ACCESS TO UTILIZE THE COMMERCIAL OFFICE DRIVEWAY.

SO, AT THE LAST P&Z MEETING, THEY DIDN'T VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN THEY VOTED ON.

THEY DID NOT. WHAT'S CALLED PLAN B NOW? YES, SIR. YES, THE APPLICANT TABLED THE ITEM AND BROUGHT THAT REVISED PLAN BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU. SO, YOU WENT THROUGH A SERIES OF SITE-SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS.

WHAT ARE THOSE FROM? THAT IS FROM THE LAND USE PLAN.

ADOPTED LAND USE PLAN.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A QUICK EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[2.A. Executive Session (Part 2 of 2)]

AND WE WILL BE BACK IN JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

OKAY. CALLING THE REGULAR SESSION.

[2.B. Reconvene (Part 2 of 2)]

DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF AT THIS TIME?

[Items 7.A. & 7.B. (Part 2 of 2)]

YOU. YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THE APPLICANT HERE WITH THE PRESENTATION.

COME ON DOWN. GENTLEMEN, IF YOU COULD JUST, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAMES AND ADDRESSES FOR THE RECORD AND THEN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS CURTIS YOUNG WITH THE SAGE GROUP.

1130 NORTH CARROLL HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

I'D LIKE TO TAKE YOU THROUGH A PRESENTATION KIND OF SHOWING YOU HOW WE DID THIS.

WILLOW TREE.

TRAVIS FRANKS IS HERE.

YOU ALL KNOW HIM.

HE WILL BE THE DEVELOPER OF THIS AND THE BUILDER OF THE HOMES.

HERE'S THE PROPERTY IS 9.2 ACRES IN THIS LOCATION.

DENNIS WENT THROUGH THE LAND USE PLAN OR WHATEVER.

AND AS HE SAID, IT'S DESIGNATED MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THE LAND USE PLAN DOES TALK ABOUT GARDEN OFFICE ALONG CARROLL HERE, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAJORITY OF THE FRONTAGE ALONG SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD IS ALREADY DEVELOPED AND PROBABLY WILL ENTIRELY BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT WITH GARDEN OFFICE.

SO, WE KIND OF SEE THAT THERE'S KIND OF AN L-SHAPED, IF YOU WILL, OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE DEVELOPED ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE TWO STREETS, WHICH KIND OF LEAVES THIS REAR AREA HERE AS.

YOU KNOW, AN AREA. WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT? AND LOOKING AT IT AND LARGER LOT HALF ACRE RESIDENTIAL IS IN HERE.

WE SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF TRANSITION WITH A SLIGHTLY HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THE ACTIVITY THAT IS ALONG THE MAJOR STREETS AND THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL UP HERE IS KIND OF A BUFFER OF RESIDENTIAL BETWEEN THE TWO USES IN THAT. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S HOW WE'VE APPROACHED THIS YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, IT'S ON THE MAIN ROADS, IT'S MEDIUM DENSITY, AS DENNIS WENT OVER IN DETAIL. AND THE EXISTING ZONING IS LIKE THIS THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED AND, AND PREPARED WENT THROUGH THE P&Z THE FIRST TIME.

AS DENNIS SAID, THEY HAD MULTIPLE COMMENTS THAT WE TRIED TO ADDRESS WITH OUR SECOND PLAN.

HERE'S THE SECOND PLAN.

THE STARTING HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BUILDING.

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WE'VE ELIMINATED PARKING SPOTS IN THIS AREA.

SO, AS YOU'RE ENTERING EITHER FROM THE NORTH OR SOUTH ON CARROLL ROAD, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF AREA.

WE'VE WIDENED THIS DRIVEWAY TO 30FT.

THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING THIS CORNER HERE.

SO, IT'S A WIDE DRIVEWAY ENTRY WITH A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF STACKING DISTANCE HERE.

SO, WE REALLY THINK THERE'LL BE NO CONFLICTS AT THE MAIN ENTRY HERE.

AND WE ARE STUBBING THE DRY INTERNAL DRIVE HERE.

SO, AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE THIS IS IF THIS DEVELOPS TO OFFICE COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING SIMILAR, THEY'LL BE ACCESS THROUGH HERE AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO HERE DOWN TO THE TOWER BOULEVARD LIGHT.

SO, WE'VE ALSO REMOVED SOME PARKING SPOTS HERE.

SO, THIS ADDRESSED THOSE CHANGES THERE.

A LITTLE BIT LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE BUILDING.

IT IS TWO STORIES, 23,000FT².

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A GOOD DISTANCE FROM EITHER RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY.

THE OTHER THING WE DID WAS WE IN TALKING TO SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS HERE, WE REMOVED THE LOT HERE.

THERE'S MORE GREEN SPACE ON EITHER SIDE HERE.

AND BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT AN EMERGENCY EXIT HERE, WE RAISED THE POSSIBILITY OF THE EMERGENCY EXIT COMING DOWN HERE.

AND THIS IS A DRIVE THAT GOES STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE TOWER BOULEVARD INTERSECTION IN HERE.

SO, THE ENTRY WOULD COME IN HERE, YOU'D BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE OFFICE SPACE.

THEN YOU'D GO THROUGH THE GATES HERE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA HERE.

THIS IS KIND OF A LARGE BOULEVARD AND MAIN STREET THAT ALL THE RESIDENTIAL FRONTS ON THE LOTS ON HERE ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED UP IN CAROLINE. CURRENTLY IN RESIDENTIAL, THERE ARE 46-FOOT-WIDE LOTS.

THERE'D BE SIX FEET BETWEEN EACH UNIT.

THEY DON'T TOUCH EACH OTHER.

THEY'RE NOT TOWNHOMES. THEY'RE SEPARATE DETACHED RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

BUT ALL THE GARAGE ACCESS WILL BE ON THE REAR THROUGH THE SERIES OF ALLEYS THAT GO AROUND IN HERE.

SO, THIS WILL BE A VERY BEAUTIFUL FRONTAGE ALONG HERE FOR VISITORS.

WE HAVE INSET PARKING SPACES IN THE CENTER OF THIS AREA HERE.

THERE'S MORE THAN ONE SPACE FOR EACH UNIT, WHICH IS A TREMENDOUS, LARGE RATIO THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY DO THESE.

AND IN ADDITION, THERE WOULD BE A PARKING EASEMENT PLACED ON THIS OFFICE BUILDING HERE FOR AFTER HOURS AND WEEKENDS TIME WHERE IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE A SUPER BOWL PARTY OR WHATEVER PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO PARK HERE AND WE'VE EXTENDED THE SIDEWALK ACROSS HERE.

SO, WE THINK THAT THE, THE VISITOR PARKING ASPECT OF THIS IS WELL TAKEN CARE OF.

THIS IS THE PROPOSAL THAT WE FEEL MAKES THE MOST SENSE HERE, AND THE ONE WE'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT YOU SERIOUSLY CONSIDER.

WE HAVE, THOUGH, BEEN REQUESTED A LONG WAY TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER ALTERNATIVES THERE ARE HERE.

CERTAINLY, THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE OF JUST ADDING ON TO THE CUL-DE-SAC HERE AND DOING MORE HALF ACRE LOTS.

WE FEEL THAT THIS IS THIS DOESN'T WORK FOR A VARIETY OF STANDPOINTS.

IT JUST KIND OF BRINGS THE LARGER LOTS THAT MUCH CLOSER TO ALL THE ACTIVITY.

AND IT JUST DOESN'T WORK AS A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.

BUT THIS IS HOW THAT WOULD LOOK.

BUT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THIS AND, AND AND DON'T WANT TO DO THIS.

HOWEVER, THERE, THERE IS SOMETHING WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT THAT'S KIND OF A HYBRID PLAN OF THE TWO.

YOU MIGHT SAY THAT THAT CUTS DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON THE MORE VILLA UNITS.

19 OF THEM. THEY'RE ALL STILL ALLEY SERVED AND OF SUPER HIGH QUALITY.

BUT WOULD ALLOW THE CROSS DRIVE TO COME IN HERE AND HAVE A NORMAL TYPE OF CUL-DE-SAC WITH THREE MORE HALF ACRE LOTS AROUND IT.

THIS WOULD BE A NICE OPEN SPACE AREA HERE.

THAT WOULD BE PLENTY LARGE FOR ALL OF THE DETENTION NEEDS FOR THE PROPERTY.

NOW, WE MAY NOT EVEN NEED A LITTLE THAT MUCH.

EXACTLY. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME OPEN SPACE HERE.

AND IN THIS CASE, THERE WE COULD HAVE A DIRECT ACCESS IN HERE LIKE THIS.

SO, THIS IS KIND OF A HYBRID SCHEME OF THE TWO.

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THE TRAFFIC STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE HERE.

AND OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER FEELS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS CERTAINLY DOABLE AND WOULD WORK VERY WELL.

IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO DRAINAGE AND UTILITIES AND ALL THAT STUFF, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

I'LL JUST SKIP THIS BY FOR NOW.

AND HERE'S SOME OF THE THE VISUALS OF THE OFFICE BUILDING AND HOW IT WILL LOOK FROM THE AIR.

FROM THE FRONT HERE.

AT NIGHT. AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

THE ENTRY AND SOME OF THE HOMES IN HERE.

THESE ARE LANDSCAPE PLANS IN HERE WILL BE FULLY LANDSCAPED WITH FOUNTAINS AND GATHERING AREAS IN THE MIDDLE.

HERE WE REALLY SEE THIS AS A GATHERING AREA THAT WILL BE THE CENTERPIECE OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE.

MORE OF THAT.

AND HERE WOULD BE THE AT THAT POINT, THE EMERGENCY GATE.

THIS WAS HOW THE EMERGENCY GATE AT THE WESTERN END WOULD LOOK.

IF WE END UP HAVING ONE THERE.

AND THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL HOW IT WOULD WORK ON EACH EACH UNIT.

THERE WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, SIX FEET ON ONE SIDE AND THEN ALL THE GARAGES WOULD BE IN BACK LIKE THIS.

THE ENTRY GATED ENTRY TO THE FRONT FROM THE EAST SIDE.

THE DETENTION POND IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

AND HERE'S SOME VISUALS OF THE CENTERPIECE IN THE AREA THERE, THE GATHERING AREA IN BETWEEN EVERYTHING AND HOW ALL THE UNITS WOULD KIND OF DEFINE THIS SPACE AND REALLY MAKE IT A NICE SPACE TO, TO BE.

ANYWAY, THAT'S OUR PROPOSAL.

WE HAVE A VIDEO TOO.

WE'D LIKE TO SHOW REAL QUICK.

AND THEN. SURE.

THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A.

YOU HAVE THE WHOLE THING.

YEAH. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MAYOR.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BEING HERE TONIGHT.

I'M GOING TO BRING A LITTLE BIT MORE COLOR TO THE WHY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL OF THAT.

HOPEFULLY THAT RESONATES WITH SOME OF YOU GUYS.

FIRST OFF, MY NAME IS TRAVIS FRANKS, 775 LAKEWOOD.

JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US.

WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS NOW.

OUR FAMILY IS DEEPLY, DEEPLY ROOTED.

PROBABLY. I THINK I MENTIONED THIS BONAZZI PROBABLY THE MOST ROOTED FAMILY IN THIS TOWN.

STILL ACTIVE TODAY.

WE HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1955.

ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE NAME SOUTHLAKE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF A FUN STORY FROM OUR FAMILY SIDE.

FATHER-IN-LAW WAS A BAND DIRECTOR FOR CARROLL FOR 34 YEARS AND SERVED FOR CARROLL ISD DISTRICT.

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IT'S ACTUALLY MEANS A LOT.

WE HAVE 17 ALUMS FROM SOUTHLAKE CARROLL GRADUATES IN OUR FAMILY, AND I HAVE TWO CHILDREN, ONE GRADUATING IN THIS YEAR'S AS A SENIOR.

TO ADD TO THAT. SO WE ARE, LIKE I SAID, VERY, VERY ROOTED IN INTEL AND IN TRUE FORM.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THE GROWTH OF SOUTHLAKE HAS, HAS, HAS DONE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT GOING.

WE'VE REALLY ENJOYED THE NICE AMENITIES THE FEEL, THE SAFETY AND THE NICE RESTAURANTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

WE EVEN KNOW WE NEED A FEW MORE OF THAT IF WE CAN GET THAT IN.

WE REALLY HAVE THOUGHT, THOUGHT LONG AND HARD ON HOW THIS CAN TRANSITION AND HOW THIS COULD WORK.

YOU'RE GOING TO THERE'S A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN P&Z, THAT WAS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER SPOKE ABOUT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR SOME THINGS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON CARROLL.

WE'RE GOING TO HEAR SOME THINGS ABOUT ACCESS ON 1709 AND ALL THE TURNAROUNDS AND U-TURNS AND LIGHTS AND HOW TO GET IN AND OUT.

I LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT.

I LIVE ON THE IN THE LAKEWOOD ESTATE SIDE.

SO, I DEAL WITH THIS AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY ELSE ON A DAILY BASIS.

I SPEAK NOT ONLY AS A DEVELOPER BUILDER, BUT I DO SPEAK IN REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES ON THIS THING.

CARROLL HAS A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SHOWED THAT IT HOLDS 1800 CARS A DAY, RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH.

THE CAPACITY OF CARROLL IS 2400 CARS A DAY, SO IT'S NOT EVEN AT CAPACITY, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT FEEL THAT WAY NOW.

I WAS TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE.

THE PERCEPTION OBVIOUSLY CANNOT WEIGH NUMBERS.

OKAY, I UNDERSTAND PERCEPTION IS A BIG, BIG DEAL IN THIS TOWN ABOUT GOING ON CARROLL ON CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY WHERE WE STACK AND WE'RE AT LIGHTS, AND THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE DEVELOPMENT ADDS 1% OF TRAFFIC TO CARROLL.

AND WE'VE GOT STATISTICS TO PROVE THAT REGARDLESS, IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IN STATISTICS OR NOT, THE ENGINEERS HAVE AN ETHICAL RESPONSIBILITY TO SHOW DATA THAT IS THAT HE SEES FIT FOR THE PROJECT, NOT NECESSARILY ON OUR BEHALF, BUT AS A ETHICAL AS AN ETHICAL RESPONSIBILITY TO BE A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO BE TRUTHFUL.

SO, I WANT TO KIND OF POINT THAT OUT FROM THE FACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING WE CAN.

ON CARROLL AND CARROLL, 75% OF THE TAX REVENUE, DOLLARS THAT GO TO TOWN SQUARE IS NOT FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SOUTHLAKE.

SO, IT'S NOT THAT CARROLL IS GOING TO GET FIXED BY OR NOT FIXED BY MY DEVELOPMENT.

SO, MY DEVELOPMENT IS ADDING THE 1% AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO WE'RE NOT REALLY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC JAM.

IT'S ONE CAR PER MINUTE-ISH.

SO, ONE CAR PER MINUTE.

IT'S NOT THAT MUCH. IF WE REALLY SIT THERE AND STAND AT A LIGHT AND WATCH CARS GO BY ONE CAR MINUTE, IT'S NOT THAT BAD.

SO, I WANTED TO ALSO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DENSITY.

IN OUR BUSINESS, AS A CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS, WE, WE OBVIOUSLY GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS AND WE'RE MISSING THE BOAT ON A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR NOT ONLY FIRST-TIME BUYERS, YOUNG FAMILIES TRYING TO START A FAMILY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THE PRODUCT'S TOO EXPENSIVE, BUT THEN WE FLIP SIDE IT ON THE BACK END OF THE FAMILY.

ONCE YOUR FAMILY IS GONE AND, YOU KNOW, GONE THROUGH THE SCHOOL AND THE RESIDENTS ARE DONE LIVING ON THEIR LARGER ONE ACRE DEVELOPED APPROVED LOTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.

SO NOW WE'RE KIND OF WE DON'T HAVE A PRODUCT FOR FIRST TIME BUYERS NOR EMPTY NESTERS, AND WHAT THIS PRODUCT IS DOING IS ALLOWING US TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, LIKE THE BROWNSTONES OR LIKE THE CAROLINE PARK THAT RECENTLY GOT APPROVED.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR.

THE BEST THING THAT WE HAVE GOING FOR SOUTHLAKE IS THE TOWN SQUARE.

IT IS, IT IS, IT IS.

EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO REPEAT IT.

NO ONE CAN DUPLICATE IT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE OUR, OUR, OUR VIEW OF DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PRODUCT AND THE RESIDENCES THAT I'VE TALKED TO AS I'M BUILDING OR AS IT CALLED ME FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD, I WOULD BET THAT PROBABLY HALF OF MY PHONE CALLS ARE ABOUT LOTS OF THIS SIZE, OR SOMETHING SMALLER OR LOWER THAN THE TWO AND A HALF TO $3 MILLION DOLLAR PRICE POINT.

WE ARE IMMUNE TO SAYING $3 MILLION AND $4 MILLION IS NORMAL.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. IF YOU WANT TO BUILD NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT'S HIGHER THAN THAT ACTUALLY ON ONE ACRE.

BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PRODUCT.

I THINK THAT'S HIGH END.

THAT'S A LOCK AND LEAVE.

PEOPLE CAN TRAVEL STILL BE A PART OF SOUTHLAKE COMMUNITY.

AND ON TOP OF THAT, IF WE WANT THE NICE RESTAURANTS, WE WANT THE NICE SHOPPING THAT WE ENJOY TODAY.

WE NEED PEOPLE. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE OTHER PART OF THIS THING.

THE DENSITY IS NOT A SCARY WORD.

THIS DENSITY LEVEL THAT WE'RE IN IN OTHER CITIES AND.

FIRSTLY, DOWNTOWN AREAS THIS MEDIUM DENSITY IS ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT SORRY.

THE HIGH-DENSITY PIECE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IS APARTMENTS.

THEY'RE STACKABLE UNITS.

THAT'S WHAT HIGH DENSITY MEANS.

IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS IS A HIGH-DENSITY AREA.

THIS IS JUST A FEW MORE LOTS PER ACRE THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY GET USED TO HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

AGAIN, THAT'S JUST OPINIONS.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT'S BEEN A HOT POINT AS WELL.

A COUPLE THINGS REAL QUICK AND I'LL LET YOU GUYS ASK THE QUESTIONS HERE.

BUT YOU KNOW, I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION OF, LIKE, DOES THIS AFFECT QUALITY OF LIFE, LIKE WHAT I'M PUTTING HERE? DOES IT AFFECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK? OKAY. FOR EVERY NEIGHBOR HERE TO SPEAK IS PROBABLY FROM THE FOXBORO OR SOUTHVIEW NEIGHBORHOOD.

OKAY. WE HAVE 34,000 CITIZENS IN THIS IN THIS TOWN.

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SO, IT'S NOT AFFECTING THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE? ABSOLUTELY NOT. THEY WILL THEY HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE PROPERTY OTHER THAN GETTING A NICE MASONRY EIGHT-FOOT WALL.

THE SECOND PART IS, AM I AFFECTING PROPERTY VALUES? I HEARD THAT THE OTHER DAY THAT I'M GOING TO DEVALUE PROPERTY VALUES.

OH, I'M SORRY.

SORRY. AM I GOING TO AM I GOING TO AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES? ABSOLUTELY NOT. THIS IS GOING TO DO EVERYTHING BUT RAISE PROPERTY VALUES.

IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY AROUND THIS AROUND THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.

SO, AT THAT BEING SAID, I JUST WANT TO SAY I WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE.

WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS.

YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH EVERYTHING ELSE IN THIS TOWN SO FAR.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO PUT OUR HEELS IN THE GROUND SAYING WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT A VERSION OF THIS IS VERY, VERY SOUGHT AFTER.

I WOULD HAVE HALF OF IT SOLD AT THE TIME WE WENT THROUGH PERMITTING PROCESS, AND IT'S A NEEDED PRODUCT.

I GET CALLS ON A DAILY BASIS ABOUT IT.

SO, IF YOU GUYS CAN CONSIDER THIS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THANK YOU FOR Y'ALL'S TIME.

RIGHT. OKAY.

MR. FRANCE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO, YOU TOOK THE BUILDING FROM 26,000 TO 23,000FT².

WHAT'S THE INTENDED USE ON IT? LIKE, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT OFFICE USES, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN IT? YEAH. I MEAN, INITIALLY AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT OFFICE USE.

WE'RE JUST LOOKING. MY PERSONAL OFFICE WILL GO THERE IF WE GET THIS APPROVED.

WE HAVE SEVERAL OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN OUR BUILDING INDUSTRY THAT WANTS TO TAKE THE REST OF UPSTAIRS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A LIKE A HIGH-END PLUMBING SHOWROOM, LIKE A FERGUSON TYPE BRAND THAT'S NOT FERGUSON, BUT A TYPE OF BRAND THAT WANTS TO RENT 6000FT² FROM DOWNSTAIRS.

SO, WE KIND OF. IT'S MORE OF THAT RETAIL 8 TO 5 TYPE.

YEAH. AND SO, YOU GOT THE POND ON THE WEST SIDE.

IS THAT A RETENTION POND? THAT IS A RETENTION POND REQUIRED FOR ENGINEERING AT THIS POINT, YES.

OKAY. IT WILL HAVE A FOUNTAIN.

AND WE DO WE DO ACTUALLY FROM THE NEIGHBORS ON THIS SIDE WHICH IS THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.

THERE IS THERE'S BEEN CONCERN, SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES RUNNING ALONG THAT BOUNDARY LINE.

WE WILL PICK UP ALL THEIR WATER, BRING IT DOWN TO THAT POND, OBVIOUSLY, AND GO THROUGH A PIPE TO THE FOXBORO POND.

SO, WE'RE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHING A LOT OF THINGS, INCLUDING THE RECENT THE ISSUES THEY HAD BEFORE THEY PUT AN INLET ON CROSS LANE INLET.

CROSS LANE WAS GETTING FLOODED PRETTY OFTEN BEFORE THEY PUT A NEW INLET THERE.

SO, WE WOULD CAPTURE ALL THAT WATER AND BRING IT SOUTH.

OKAY. AND ALL THESE UNITS ARE DETACHED.

CORRECT? THEY ARE? YES.

ALLEY SERVICE. BACK ENTRY.

ALLEY SERVICE. YES.

ALL OF THEM. THE GARAGES IN BACK.

GARAGES IN BACK. GOTCHA.

AND THESE ARE ALL FOR SALE PRODUCT, I ASSUME? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.

WHAT DID YOU SAY YOUR AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS IN THIS 6000 OR DO YOU DO YOU HAVE AN AVERAGE NUMBER? YEAH. IT WAS 6000.

I THINK IT WAS. 6000-ISH.

YEAH. ISH. YEAH.

5998. YEAH.

5998. OKAY.

AND SO, UNDER THIS, THIS IS YOUR PREFERRED PLAN.

YOU SHOWED US A BUNCH, BUT THIS IS YOUR PREFERRED PLAN.

YES. OKAY.

AND SO WHAT IS THE STANDPOINT OF THE HYBRID TALK TO ME ABOUT.

WELL, OKAY, BEFORE WE GO TO THAT, LET ME ASK ONE MORE SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THIS.

SO, IN THIS PLAN, YOUR PREFERRED PLAN, YOU'RE LOSING THE EMERGENCY ACCESS TO CROSS.

BUT YOU'RE PROPOSING AN EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THAT SOUTH OFFICE COMPLEX.

WE DID THAT TO KIND OF SHOW, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORS' RESPONSES.

THE NEIGHBORS' RESPONSES ON THEIR FIRST PLAN WERE THAT THEY WOULDN'T KNOW TRAFFIC THROUGH CROSS LANE.

THEY WANTED CROSS LANE TO BE BASICALLY AS IS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE OTHER ARGUMENT OF TALKING BOTH SIDES, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO GO TO THE CROSS LANE, BUT WE WANT ACCESS TO 1709.

WELL, IN MY OPINION, AGAIN, THE ACCESS IS THROUGH CROSS LANE.

IT'S ALREADY STUBBED OUT FOR IT. BUT I GUESS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW HERE IS THAT WE'RE OPEN TO ADJUST AND THROW HYBRIDS OUT TO SHOW THAT WE'RE WHAT'S HAPPENING CURTIS DOING THAT. CURTIS YEAH.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW HYBRIDS, YOU KNOW, JUST OPTIONS THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH TO SEE HOW IT WOULD BENEFIT.

WE CAN SAY KIND OF ADDRESS EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS OR COMMENTS.

AS YOU KNOW IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY GATE GOING TO CROSS LANE, IT'LL ALMOST NEVER BE OPEN, ONLY IN AN EMERGENCY.

BUT THEY WERE UNCLEAR OF THAT AND FELT THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD BE OPENED UP JUST WITH A VOTE WITH THE HOA.

WE KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT.

RIGHT. TRYING TO MEET THEM HALFWAY.

WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ANOTHER PLACE WE COULD PUT AN EMERGENCY ENTRANCE TO THE SOUTH.

OKAY. OKAY, COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? YEAH. ON THAT NEW EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT ON THE SOUTH, IS IS IT EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY BECAUSE DOCTOR MENDEZ WANTS THAT OR IS HE.

WOULD HE BE OPEN TO JUST OPENING IT UP? I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE POINTS OR ONE OF THE POINTS OF CONTENTION IS NO REAL ACCESS TO 1709.

IS THAT PART OF AND IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER IT, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IF WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THAT ACCESS FROM THERE, WHY NOT JUST MAKE IT WIDE OPEN SO THAT VEHICLES CAN GO RIGHT DOWN TO 1709? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

SO PER DOCTOR MENDEZ AND HE HE OWNS THOSE TWO MEDICAL BUILDINGS TO THE SOUTH OF THAT.

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AND THESE THESE FACILITIES ARE MOST OF THE WORK IS DONE WITH ELDERLY PEOPLE.

SO THEY'RE HAVING ELDERLY PEOPLE WALK ACROSS TO AND FROM THE PARKING LOT VERSUS AND THEN HE DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THAT OR HAVE THAT RISK OF, OF PEOPLE COMING BACK TO THE RESIDENCES, GOING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT I GUESS IS THE ANSWER THERE.

SO IT WOULD BE EMERGENCY ONLY AS BY HIS REQUEST, TO KEEP IT, IF WE GO WITH THIS PLAN OR A VERSION OF THIS PLAN.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE STILL WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT ONE CAR PER MINUTE.

SO YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. YOU'RE RIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY. IT'S KIND OF A IT'S THE SAME THING THAT IS ONE CAR PER THE, THE CONCERN IS THE OBVIOUSLY LEASES OF THE BUILDING.

THE DOCTORS IN THAT BUILDING WOULD BE TURNED OFF AND OR LOOKING FOR OTHER PLACES IF THEY FELT LIKE THERE WAS TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.

GOTCHA. AND OF COURSE, THAT ONE CAR PER MINUTE IS ONLY PEAK HOURS.

YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. GOTTA BE MUCH LESS THAN THAT.

THE REST. OKAY, OKAY.

GOOD QUESTION. YEAH.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. TRAVIS CURTIS, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

APPRECIATE YOU WALKING THROUGH THAT.

SO, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

THE FIRST IS WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE PRICE POINT BEING ON THESE HOMES? MY GOAL IS TO KEEP THE PRICE POINT AT $2 MILLION.

OKAY, SO I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY HEAR THE CONVERSATION ABOUT FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS.

YOU CAN'T GET IN SOUTHLAKE.

THAT'S TRUE. AND THEN EMPTY NESTERS, THEY WANT TO DOWNSIZE, GET OFF THEIR BIG LOT AND WE NEED THOSE OPTIONS.

BUT AT $2 MILLION, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT OPENS UP ANYTHING FOR FIRST TIME BUYERS, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO FIRST-TIME BUYERS THAT CAN AFFORD 2 MILLION.

AND THEN ON THE FLIP SIDE, IF YOU IF YOU GET EMPTY NESTERS WHO SAY, OKAY, I'LL MOVE HERE, THAT'LL LEAVE THEIR HOUSE AVAILABLE FOR SALE, THOSE HOMES ARE WELL OVER A MILLION, MILLION AND A HALF AT MINIMUM IN SOUTHLAKE.

SO WHERE DOES THIS SCRATCH THE ITCH OF THE FIRST-TIME BUYER? YEAH, SO THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE DEAL A LOT WITH THE REALTORS.

THE FIRST-TIME BUYER THAT CAN AFFORD SOUTHLAKE.

THAT'S THE FIRST TEST. IF THEY CAN FEEL LIKE THEY CAN AFFORD SOUTHLAKE.

THE AVERAGE HOME RESALE HOME IS ABOUT $1 MILLION RIGHT NOW IN SOUTHLAKE, AND IT'S COVERED FULL OF EMPTY OR FIRST TIME BUYERS WITH YOUNG FAMILIES, NOT EMPTY NESTERS.

THE SO THE STATISTIC OF THAT IS WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT DO COME TO SOUTHLAKE CAN AFFORD YOUNG FAMILIES, CAN'T AFFORD THE MILLION DOLLARS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE FORWARDING TO TWO, TWO AND A HALF.

I GOT A I GOT A SPEC HOME NOT BROUGHT UP IN THIS DEAL.

I GOT A SPEC HOME FOR 2.6.

IT'S MAJORITY LOOKED AT AT FAMILIES WITH YOUNG KIDS.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WOULD COULD AFFORD AT A YOUNG AGE OR A YOUNG FAMILY.

BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S BETTER.

ON THE FLIP SIDE OF WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU HAVE ASKED QUESTION ON IS THAT IF WE FREE UP A TIMBERON OR A VERSION OF HOUSE THAT'S $1 MILLION, THEN THAT FREES UP THAT FIRST TIME MAYBE HOME BUYER TO TO TO GET THAT HOUSE.

WHILE THE EMPTY NESTER CAN BE MOVED INTO THE $2 MILLION PRICE POINT.

THIS IS AND UNFORTUNATELY $2 MILLION ANYWHERE IN NEW CONSTRUCTION IN SOUTHLAKE.

THAT'S AS LOW. UNLESS IT'S A VILLA THAT'S AS LOW AS IT GETS.

ANYTHING ELSE ABOVE THAT IS, IS GOING TO BE FAR UNDER $3 MILLION.

I AGREE WITH YOU THERE.

I STILL WOULD ARGUE, THOUGH, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING INTO THE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS OR BUYING MILLION DOLLAR HOMES.

WELL, I WANT TO MEET THOSE PEOPLE AND I WOULD ARGUE TO IN SOUTHLAKE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HOMES FOR $1 MILLION IN TIMMERON.

SO. OH, AND I WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE, I RAN I OWNED A COUPLE LOTS OUTSIDE OF TIMMERON RIGHT NOW, AND SO OUR COMPS ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT NUMBER.

FAIR ENOUGH. BUT BUT I WOULD SAY THAT ON TOP OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT FOR US IT'S NOT ABOUT THE I'M NOT TRYING TO PROMOTE IT.

THIS HAS TO BE AN EMPTY NEST. IT HAS TO BE YOUNG FAMILIES.

I'M PROMOTING THAT THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE INTO REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SITUATION IS.

AND SO I HAVE TEN PEOPLE WANTING TO GIVE ME MONEY AND LOT HOLDS.

AND I KNOW THAT'S JUST A JUST ME TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT THIS IS A PHONE CALL.

WE GET ALL THE TIME THAT PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE TO SOUTHLAKE.

OTHERWISE, WE'RE COMPETING WITH WESTLAKE, WE'RE COMPETING WITH GRAPEVINE, WE'RE COMPETING WITH COLLEYVILLE ON TOP PRODUCTS LIKE THAT THAT PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF SOUTHLAKE FOR TO GO.

SO REGARDLESS OF THE FINANCIAL SITUATION, I UNDERSTAND, I DON'T DISAGREE.

IT IS A PRODUCT PEOPLE WANT, JUST NOT SURE THAT THE CONCLUSION IS THE SAME.

YOU AND I ARE THINKING ABOUT THE WHY.

YOU KNOW WHAT IT DOES FOR US, BUT I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION.

ON THE TRAFFIC, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

SO YOU I THINK YOU SAID 1800, RIGHT? YEAH. I WISH HE WAS HERE.

HE WAS NOT HERE TONIGHT. HE HAD SOMETHING COME UP.

CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT NUMBER? LIKE, WHAT HOURS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT THERE? HE CLAIMS THAT'S AN 1800 CAR PER DAY.

MEASUREMENT. AND THE CAPACITY OF CARROLL IS 2400 CARS PER DAY.

SO WHAT HE'S SAYING IN THAT STATISTIC, AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO VOUCH I'M AN ENGINEER, NOR HAVE HIS STATISTICS MEMORIZED YET.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THAT STATISTIC IS BAD.

WE HAVEN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO MAXIMIZING WHAT CARROLL CAN DO AS IT SITS TODAY.

OKAY, AGAIN, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT NUMBER BECAUSE I'M DOING SOME MATH IN MY HEAD.

1800 EVEN IF YOU JUST USE A 20 HOUR DAY.

YEAH, THAT'S 90 CARS AN HOUR.

YEAH. NO WAY. YEAH.

AGAIN, THAT MEANS ONE CAR, ONE AND A HALF CARS A MINUTE IS GOING DOWN.

CARROLL. THAT MIGHT BE THE PEAK HOUR.

YEAH, MR. I WOULD.

IT'S HELPFUL FOR ME TO KNOW THOUGH WHAT IS NOT NOT THAT IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE STAFF AND WE HAVE ALL THAT REPORTS.

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YEAH. TWO WEEKS OKAY. YEAH IT'S A VERY DETAILED PACKET THAT I SURE DIDN'T READ ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

WELL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO TO THE SECOND PIECE, I THINK YOU SAID IT'S A 1% INCREASE BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG PIECE TO ME IS, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS HERE, BECAUSE ONCE YOU DO IT, THERE'S NO THERE'S NO PUTTING THE TOOTHPASTE BACK.

NO. YOU'RE RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. YES, SIR.

1% ON ON.

YOU SAID ON 1800 EVEN.

I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S 180 CARS IN A DAY.

YEAH. INCREASING. THERE'S NO WAY.

NO THERE'S NO AGAIN.

AGAIN, WHEN HE COMES TO SPEAK, I'D LIKE TO ANSWER.

YEAH, THAT'D BE HELPFUL. YEAH.

OKAY. WELL, THE FINAL QUESTION IS JUST CURIOUS.

YOU HAVE A WOOD FENCE PROPOSED FOR THE SOUTH BOUNDARY INSTEAD OF MASONRY.

WHY NOT? WHY NOT GO MASONRY ALL THE WAY? WE'RE OPEN TO THAT. I'M OPEN TO MASONRY.

WAS THERE A REASON THERE'S NO BAIT FROM A GO AHEAD.

IT WASN'T.

NEXT. IT WAS BETWEEN OUR RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE.

IT WASN'T. AND THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT.

ON THE SURFACE, IT WASN'T WITH ANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

OKAY. GOT YOU.

THANK YOU. NORMALLY BETWEEN TWO RESIDENTIAL, A WOOD FENCE IS SUFFICIENT.

BUT BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS WANTED MORE OF A BUFFER, WE AGREED TO DO MASONRY WALL.

GOTCHA. YEAH.

THANK YOU. CAUSE THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANTS RIGHT NOW? OKAY, YOU GUYS HAVE A SEAT.

I'M SURE WE WILL HAVE MORE FOR YOU.

OKAY, SO AS I SAID, FROM THE OUTLOOK, ITEMS 7.A AND 7.B ARE FIRST READING.

SO, THEY'RE NOT PUBLIC HEARING. BUT I'M STILL GOING TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE SHOWED UP.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SHOWING UP AND VOICING YOUR OPINION, WHETHER IT'S FOR OR AGAINST.

AND I'LL SAY BEFORE I OPEN IT, THIS IS A HUGE PART OF THE PROCESS.

WE HAVE TO AS A LEGISLATIVE CAPACITY ON THIS DAIS, WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, YOUR PARTICIPATION IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

SO, THANK YOU GUYS FOR TAKING THE TIME AND BEING HERE.

SO, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 7.A AND 7.B.

WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH.

I'VE GOT CARDS THAT I CAN READ OUT.

AND ONCE I'M DONE READING THEM OUT, IF I DIDN'T READ YOUR NAME AND YOU STILL WANT TO TALK, STILL COME DOWN AND TALK.

JUST REMEMBER THE RULES.

YOU GOT THREE MINUTES.

YELLOW LIGHT TURNS ON AT ONE MINUTE AND RED LIGHT STARTS BLINKING.

THAT'S TIME'S UP.

WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT PERSON.

NO APPLAUSE AND DIRECT ALL YOUR COMMENTS TO US VERSUS THE AUDIENCE OF DEVELOPER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO, WE WILL START WITH MISTER MARK PEARSON.

MR. PEARSON HERE. YOU CARE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING DOWN TO THE MICROPHONE.

OTHERWISE, THE VIDEO WON'T CATCH YOU.

YOUR COMMENTS. OH, I'M SORRY YOU WROTE.

I DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORD OPPOSITION, I APOLOGIZE.

OKAY, WELL, NOW YOU'RE UP HERE.

SO, TELL US WHAT YOU THINK. ONE QUESTION.

YES, SIR. STATE YOUR NAME.

OKAY. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

YES. MARK PEARSON, 470 SOUTHVIEW TRAIL HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

RIGHT THERE AT SOUTH VIEW.

YEAH. THE QUESTION I HAD, AND I HEARD I DIDN'T HEAR THIS DIRECTLY FROM TRAVIS, BUT THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT IN THE PAPERWORK FOR THESE CONDOS THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ADD ANOTHER STORY, LIKE THREE STORIES AS A AS AN ADDITION OR AS AN UPGRADE, AND.

YOU KNOW, I DISAGREE WITH THIS, THIS WHOLE THING BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, THE ARROWS POINTING THROUGH THE LAND.

AND SOMEDAY WE'LL HAVE ACCESS.

THAT'S NOT REALLY A PLAN. THAT'S JUST HOPEFUL THINKING OR WISHFUL THINKING.

BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT DISCUSSED ANYMORE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TWO STORY.

THEN I HEARD THE RUMORS ABOUT POSSIBLY BEING ABLE TO ADD ON TO IT.

THREE STORY. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE IN THAT AREA THAT HAS THREE STORY ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD OF CARROLL.

AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS ANY ANSWERS ABOUT THAT.

I'LL ASK HIM ONCE PUBLIC COMMENTS OVER.

THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANKS. GOOD QUESTION.

THANK YOU SIR. OKAY, NOW THIS IS A STACK THAT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT I'LL READ THEM OFF.

MISTER DWAYNE G DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD MY OPPOSITION.

TOMMY MADISON DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD OPPOSITION.

REBECCA MADISON DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD OPPOSITION.

NICOLA KULACHANDRA DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD OPPOSITION.

RAJANI BAYANI DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD OPPOSITION.

AND NAVINA VEMPALLI DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD OPPOSITION.

OKAY. AND THEN MOVING ON TO FOLKS WHO DO WANT TO SPEAK, WE HAVE MISS KATHY VOLLMER.

IS MISS VOLLMER HERE? COME ON DOWN AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

HELLO AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

MY NAME IS KATHY VOLLMER AND I LIVE AT 711 MARLTON LANE IN FOXBOROUGH.

I'VE LIVED IN SOUTHLAKE FOR ABOUT ALMOST 24 YEARS, SO I'VE SEEN IT GROW A LOT, AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A GREAT PLAN THAT YOU TRY TO FOLLOW FOR GOOD DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTHLAKE.

UNFORTUNATELY, I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS PLAN FOLLOWS OUR LAND USE PLAN.

BUT IT'S LOVELY.

IT LOOKS LOOKS LOVELY, BUT I DO NOT APPROVE OF IT.

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22, 23, 24 AND 25, I BELIEVE, MAYBE EVEN 26.

HE OWNS ALL THAT PROPERTY AND IN INCLUDING THE MEDICAL BUILDINGS.

AND SO AS AN HOA PAST HOA BOARD MEMBER AND PRESIDENT, WE WERE INVOLVED IN THE FACT THAT AND MAYBE YOU SAY THIS DOESN'T AFFECT MY QUALITY OF LIFE, BUT I BELIEVE IT AFFECTS IF I WERE, I'M THE PERFECT DEMOGRAPHIC TO MOVE THERE.

SO IT COULD AFFECT MY QUALITY OF LIFE.

IF I WERE TO CHOOSE TO MOVE IN AN AREA LIKE THIS.

AND I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT THIS ANY DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S TRAVIS, FRANK OR ANYBODY, THEY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE SIGNAL LIGHT AT TOWER PLAZA FOR A SAFE IN AND OUT.

I THINK IT'S SAFER BECAUSE YOU WILL BE THE ONLY ACCESS BETWEEN NORTH CARROLL AND BYRON NELSON.

THAT WOULD HAVE A SIGNAL LIGHT THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO GO EAST AND WEST ON 1709.

AND THEN AGAIN, YOU COULD USE THE SIGNAL LIGHT AT CARROLL TO GO NORTH AND SOUTH.

YOU WILL NOT HAVE THAT AT THIS PARTICULAR IN AND OUT.

SO WHEN I WAS WORKING WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS ON 1709, WE WANTED A BREAK IN THE MEDIAN TO FOR 1709, AND THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW IT BECAUSE OF THE STACKING.

AND SO WE HAD TO JUST LIVE WITH IT AS WE HAVE.

SO WE WERE KIND OF EXCITED THAT THAT SIGNAL LIGHT THERE AT TOWER WAS IN THERE.

SO THE PEOPLE OF FOXBOROUGH COULD AT LEAST MAKE A SAFE U-TURN THERE TO GET INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO I PERSONALLY THINK THAT IT'S IT LOOKS LOVELY.

EVEN IF HE WENT DOWN IN HIS COMMERCIAL BUILDING SIZE AND LOWERED THE DENSITY, I THINK IT'S CRUCIAL THAT DOCTOR MENDEZ, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T COUNT ON MR. STRUNK GETTING ACCESS TO THAT PROPERTY FOR AN IN AND OUT.

SO I THINK IT'S CRUCIAL THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE ACCESS TO 1709 FOR BETTER SAFETY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE JESSICA ADCOCK.

TSAGHKUNK. HI.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN.

COUNCIL PEOPLE.

EXCUSE ME. MY NAME IS JESSICA ADCOCK.

I LIVE AT 801 CROSS LANE IN FOXBOROUGH.

I'M THE FOXBOROUGH HOA PRESIDENT.

SO I'M COMING THIS EVENING TO SPEAK REGARDING THIS PROPOSAL, OBVIOUSLY.

AND FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR APPROVING THE SOUTHLAKE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN JUST LAST YEAR, IN FACT.

AND THAT IS SO IMPORTANT IN DETERMINING HOW THE LAND OF SOUTHLAKE SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED.

WE AS A COMMUNITY RELY ON THIS WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN, ALONG WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES, TO ENSURE THAT SOUTHLAKE IS DEVELOPED IN A SMART AND HEALTHY WAY WITHOUT OVERBURDENING THE LAND.

IT IS BECAUSE OF OUR SOUTHLAKE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND OUR DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES THAT SOUTHLAKE IS SUCH A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE.

AS YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECENTLY REVIEWED THIS EXACT PROPOSAL AND MADE A UNANIMOUS VOTE TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU, AS CITY COUNCIL, DENY THIS PROPOSAL AS IT STANDS.

IN ADDITION, THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL HAS SIGNIFICANT NEIGHBOR AND COMMUNITY OPPOSITION, AS EVIDENCED BY THE OVERWHELMING FORMAL OPPOSITION ALREADY SUBMITTED, WHICH IS IN YOUR MEETING PACKET.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO COUNTER WHAT MR. FRANK SAID.

THERE IS VERY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THIS PLAN BEYOND FOXBORO SOUTH, SOUTHVIEW AND LAKEWOOD.

THERE WERE OVER 100 FORMAL OPPOSITIONS SUBMITTED ALL THROUGHOUT SOUTHLAKE.

THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT COMPLYING WITH THE SOUTHLAKE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IN MULTIPLE WAYS, AND THE DEVELOPERS ARE ASKING FOR TOO MANY VARIANCES TO SOUTHLAKES ORDINANCES. THEIR RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IS TOO HIGH.

IT'S STILL TOO HIGH, THEIR COMMERCIAL BUILDING IS STILL TOO LARGE, AND THE DEVELOPERS STILL HAVE NOT NEGOTIATED THAT CONNECTION TO TOWER PLAZA WITH THE OWNER OF ALL OF THIS LAND, DOCTOR MENDEZ.

THEY'RE THEY'RE RELYING ON HYPOTHETICAL ACCESS THROUGH MR. STRUNK'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS STILL PRIVATELY OWNED.

MR. STRUNK HAS PUT HIS FORMAL OPPOSITION IN ALREADY TO THIS PROPOSAL.

HAS NO INTENTION OF SELLING HIS LAND ANY TIME SOON.

I ALSO JUST WANT TO NOTE THE ELEVATION OF THIS LAND.

IT IS VERY HIGH.

THE ORIGIN BANK, WHICH SITS AT THE CORNER OF SOUTHLAKE AND CARROLL IS SITS A ONE STORY, BUT IT SITS AT THE HEIGHT OF THE SECOND FLOOR OF DEL FRISCO'S.

SO PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDING AND THE RESIDENTIAL VILLAS.

WHILE I ACKNOWLEDGE THIS LAND WILL LIKELY BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT, THE LANDOWNER HAS CERTAIN RIGHTS TO DEVELOPMENT.

IT HAS TO BE DEVELOPED IN A WAY THAT FOLLOWS THE RULES.

THE RULES ARE THE SOUTHLAKE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND OUR DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES.

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THIS PLAN IS NOT ABIDING BY THOSE RULES.

THEREFORE, I'M HERE TONIGHT ASKING THAT YOU CONTINUE TO UPHOLD OUR SOUTHLAKE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND OUR ORDINANCES BY DENYING THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST AND THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AS IT STANDS.

PLEASE CONTINUE TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND MY FINAL CARD FOR TONIGHT IS MISS ANNE DAVIS.

MISS DAVIS, COME ON DOWN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

I'M ANN DAVIS, 308 FOXBORO.

THANK YOU, EACH OF YOU, FOR YOUR MANY CONTRIBUTIONS TO MAKING SOUTHLAKE THE GOLD STANDARD.

WE ARE THAT IN PLANNED COMMUNITIES AND AS A 20 YEAR HOMEOWNER AND A FOXBORO HOA BOARD MEMBER, I'D ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE BEAUTIFUL MASTER PLANS THAT HAVE MADE OUR REPUTATION POSSIBLE.

ON JANUARY 13TH, I SENT THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE P AND Z 11 REASONS WE SHOULD OBJECT TO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO I NEED TO START OVER OR ARE YOU OKAY? THANK YOU. ON JANUARY 13TH, I SENT THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE P AND Z 11 REASONS THAT WE SHOULD OBJECT TO THE MENDEZ FRANK'S REQUEST FOR VARIANCES TO THOSE MASTER ZONING AND FUTURE LAND PLAN OR USE PLANS.

AND THOSE OBJECTIONS STILL STAND.

ON JANUARY 31ST, FOLLOWING SOUTHLAKES CORRIDOR MEETING, RESIDENTS OF PROPERTIES BORDERING THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CONTINUED DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOPER AND HIS TEAM IN THE FOYER.

OUTSIDE THESE CHAMBERS, WE WERE TOLD THAT WILLOW TREE WAS INVITED BY THE CITY TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. DID HE MEAN YOU INVITED HIM? HE SAID THE CITY IS IN A RUSH TO DEVELOP SOUTHLAKE, AND THAT WE'D BE SMART TO COOPERATE WITH HIS PROPOSAL IF WE WANTED TO AVOID YOUR APPROVAL OF PERHAPS HARSHER PROPOSITIONS.

THEN A FEW WEEKS LATER, P AND Z HEARD OUR CONCERNS AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S CONCERNS, AND DENIED WILLOW TREES PROPOSAL UNANIMOUSLY. THIS EVENING'S IDENTICAL PROPOSAL STILL FAILS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS OBJECTIONS, OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S OBJECTIONS AND RESIDENTS OBJECTIONS.

SO FORGIVE ME, BUT WHY ARE WE HERE? THE PROPOSED LAND USE IS AN OVERBEARING COMMERCIAL BUILDING, PLUS A HIGH COST, NON CONFORMING RESIDENTIAL MODEL THAT ABUTS TRADITIONAL SUBURBAN HOMES WITH YARDS RANGING FROM HALF AN ACRE TO THREE ACRES.

THE PROPOSED VILLAS DENSITY EXCEEDS EVEN THE THRESHOLD FOR THE PROPOSED ZONING AND LAND USE CHANGE THAT'S BEING REQUESTED.

WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT PURCHASERS OF THOSE VILLAS WILL HAVE AN OPTION FOR A BONUS THIRD STORY ROOM.

SUCH HEIGHT WOULD BE ENTIRELY INCONGRUENT WITH THE TRADITIONAL ONE AND TWO STORY HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN NESTLED NEARBY FOR 30 YEARS.

AND SIMILARLY, THE PROPOSED TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDING IS INCONGRUENT WITH OFFICES A LITTLE FARTHER NORTH ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH CARROLL.

THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ALL ONE STORY, AND THEY CREATE AN ATTRACTIVE TRANSITION BETWEEN NEIGHBORING SOUTHVIEW AND TOWN CENTER.

AND IN ADDITION, MR. FRANK'S BUILDING WOULD SIT ON A HILL THAT ELEVATES ITS PROFILE WELL ABOVE THE LEVEL TWO STORY MARK.

SO FINALLY, OF MOST CONCERN TO MISS DAVIS.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY, SO THAT'S THE END OF MY COMMENT CARDS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO BEFORE WE GET INTO COUNCIL DISCUSSION, I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.

ONE. WELL.

HOLD ON. SO A COUPLE FOR MR. FRANKS AND MR. YOUNG. SO IF YOU GUYS COULD ADDRESS WE HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS THIRD STORY, IF YOU GUYS COULD ADDRESS THAT.

AND THE SECOND IS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TIRE PLAZA SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AND TALK TO US ABOUT I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S AN ACCESS ISSUE WITH WITH DOCTOR MENDEZ, BUT TALK TALK TO ME ABOUT THEORETICALLY, IF YOU WOULD AGREE HOW YOU WOULD ACHIEVE THAT.

SO THIRD STORY AND TOWER PLAZA.

WELL, LET ME TALK ABOUT THE THE THIRD STORY THING.

WE'VE NEVER PROPOSED A THIRD STORY ON THIS.

YOUR STANDARD RESIDENTIAL ZONING ORDINANCES SAY UP TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES, EXACTLY WHAT THE DEFINITION OF A HALF STORY IS.

YOU MIGHT HAVE TO TALK TO TO STAFF ON.

BUT BUT THESE ARE PLANNED AS TWO STORIES.

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WHAT'S THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION.

WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT RESTRICTION? 35FT OKAY.

WHICH IS THE STANDARD STANDARD EVERYWHERE IN EVERY ZONING CATEGORY ON ALL YOUR YOUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

OKAY. MRS. THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, ABOUT THE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER WAY OUT OF THIS PRESUPPOSES THAT WE'RE WE CAN'T BE SERVICED FROM CAROL.

WE CAN.

THAT'S REALLY NOT A PROBLEM.

THE THE WHOLE CROSS ACCESS.

WE'RE NOT RELYING ON GOING THROUGH ANYONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.

WHAT THE WHITE ARROWS SHOW IS THAT WHEN THEY ARE DEVELOPED.

IT'S GOOD PLANNING JUST TO BE ABLE TO GO FROM ONE PARKING LOT TO ANOTHER PARKING LOT TO ANOTHER PARKING LOT SO YOU CAN HAVE CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN ALL THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

WE'RE MERELY SHOWING THAT THAT IS STILL REMAINING POSSIBLE, AND WE'RE DOING OUR PART BY BY STEPPING INTO THAT, WE'RE NOT RELYING ON ACCESS THROUGH ANYONE ELSE'S PROPERTY TO SERVICE THIS TO A, A A PROPER LEVEL.

YEAH. OKAY. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE, MR. WILLIAMSON. THE THE THOSE ARE PEAK HOUR NUMBERS.

19,900 CARS GO THROUGH A DAILY BASIS.

AND IT WAS EIGHT. IT'S 1800 CARS DURING PEAK HOURS 19, 19,000 GO THROUGH.

THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE.

YEAH I'M SORRY 19,000 GO THROUGH THE DAY 1800 DURING PEAK.

SO THAT'S. YES. THERE YOU GO.

SO SORRY ABOUT THAT.

OKAY. SO THE ACCESS TO TO TOWER.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S A COUPLE, IN OUR OPINION, AT LEAST THE, THE WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR OUR REASONING OF GETTING TO 1709 AGAINST GETTING TO 1709 AND GETTING TO CAROL IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING HERE.

AND THE IMMEDIATE LEFT TURN, GETTING TO THE LIGHT AT CAROL OR 1709 TO GO UP TO CAROL IS I'M NOT SURE WHAT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF IT, BECAUSE CURRENTLY THE NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE THAT NOW.

SO. AND HOW WOULD THEY HAVE ACCESS TO TOWER TO MAKE THAT SAFE TURN? REALITY IS, I'VE DONE A STUDY.

WE DID A STUDY OURSELVES.

THIS WAS NOT ENGINEERED. THIS WAS A LACK OF ENGINEERING, BUT MY OWN TRUCK TO GET OUT.

AND I PULLED OUT OF FOXBORO AT CROSS LANE AND I WENT TO TOOK A RIGHT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO YOU CANNOT TAKE A LEFT OUT OF FOXBORO.

WE TOOK A RIGHT TO WHITECHAPEL AND WENT TO 114.

OKAY. TOOK ABOUT FOUR MINUTES AND 30 SOME ODD SECONDS.

I WENT AT TOWER, STOOD AT THE LIGHT, TOOK A LEFT ONTO CAROL, WENT NORTH ON CAROL TO TO 114 AND THAT TOOK A MINUTE LESS SO ABOUT THREE MINUTES AND SOME CHANGE.

WHATEVER. OKAY, IT TOOK NO ADDITIONAL TIME TO MAKE.

SO ACCESS TO BOTH 114, WHICH WAS THE ARGUMENT ORIGINALLY WAS THAT IS TO ME, THERE'S I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IMMEDIATE NEED TO GO TO TO GET A LIGHT AND YOU TURN TO 17 OR ON TO CAROL REGARDLESS THAT TO ME THIS THE SIMPLE AND EASY ANSWER TO GET ACCESS TO 709 FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT.

RESIDENTIALLY IT WOULD BE COMING OFF CROSS LANE OR AND OR EMERGENCY EXIT OF SOME SORT FOR THAT ONE REASON EMERGENCIES ONLY.

OTHERWISE WE WOULD JUST BE USING CAROL AS A EXIT AND ENTRY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCIAL.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT.

YEAH. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT GUYS FOR LET THEM GO.

OKAY. THANK YOU. OH THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, GENTS? GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

DIRECTOR KILLOUGH GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

OKAY. WILL YOU BRING UP THE SLIDE ONCE AGAIN OF THE MASTER PLAN OR THE LAND USE DESIGNATION, PLEASE FOR THE SITE? THIS IS. THIS CENTER IS.

WELL, GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

THIS IS THE CURRENT LAND USE PLAN WHICH IDENTIFIES THIS GEOGRAPHIC REGION AS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

AND STARTING AT THE WEST CROSS LANE ON THEIR CROSS.

THE PICTURE IS ABOUT RIGHT.

OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE.

OKAY, SO THIS WHOLE SITE IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.

SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MASTER OR A CHANGE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT IS ON THE TABLE, THAT'S IN SEVEN EIGHT, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THAT IS TO CHANGE THIS AREA AND THE BLACK OUTLINE TO OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

SO, SO THE 7AI JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR COUNCIL AND FOR EVERYONE WATCHING SEVEN A THE CHANGE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RESIDENTIAL.

CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

YES. OKAY. SO YOU'RE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

YOU MAKE THESE DECISIONS. CORRECT? OKAY. SO WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL?

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AND THEN IT ALSO PERMITS PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC AND OPEN SPACE TYPE OKAY FUNCTIONS IN IT AS WELL.

SO YOU LOOKED AT THIS AND YOU LOOKED AT THE PLAN AND IN YOUR OPINION, A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AS SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN HERE FOR 25 YEARS, THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE OF THIS COMPLIES WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

CURRENTLY. THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY. SO NO CHANGE.

WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO CHANGE ANY OF THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN RELATED TO THE RESIDENTIAL, ONLY RELATED TO THE OFFICE TO ALLOW FOR THE OFFICE.

THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

BUT SO THERE IS A SITE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION THAT SAYS THAT SORT OF ALLOWS FOR OFFICE BUT GARDEN STYLE OFFICE, CORRECT.

THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.

SO EVEN THE AND THAT'S IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

CORRECT. THAT IS IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

OKAY. SO EVEN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CONTEMPLATES AN OFFICE FRONTING CAROL.

THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT TYPE OF OFFICE IN YOUR OPINION.

IN OUR OPINION, YES.

OKAY. OKAY.

SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR ME, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CHANGE WE'RE BEING ASKED TO MAKE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RESIDENTIAL.

IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE OFFICE.

THAT IS CORRECT. BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF OFFICE, THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILL? CAN YOU GO TO THE ONE WITH THE WITH THE SITE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS ON THERE? SURE. NOW THE ONE THAT I LIKE, THE ONE WITH THE PICTURES ON IT THAT SHOWS THE CROSS LANE AND ALL THAT STUFF.

AND CERTAINLY, YEAH, IT'S COLLECTIVELY IN THIS LIST, BUT I CAN SO GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY.

SO BASICALLY THERE'S BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN.

ALLOWING AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT THIS TYPE OF OFFICE BUILDING, BUT SOME KIND OF COMMERCIAL SPACE ALONG THE FRONT FROM A CHANGE IN LAND USE PLAN THAN.

NOT MAKING A CONNECTION THROUGH CROSS LANE.

THEY'RE BOTH JUST RECOMMENDATIONS.

CORRECT. THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

THESE WERE ITEMS IDENTIFIED IN THE PARTICULAR STUDY OF THIS AREA.

SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT.

SO IN ONE INSTANCE WE WANT TO WE WANT TO HONOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

IN ANOTHER INSTANCE WE MAY WE MAY NOT WANT TO HONOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS IF WE LOOK AT.

YEAH. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, IN YOUR INITIAL PRESENTATION, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL PIECE NEEDING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AT SOME LATER POINT.

WHAT WERE YOU REFERRING TO? THE PART THAT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK TO US? CORRECT. THE THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU AS PART OF THE ZONING IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS A HYBRID BETWEEN A MORE GENERAL CONCEPT PLAN AND A MORE SPECIFIC SITE PLAN, AND FOR THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS AND THE TRANSITION DISTRICT, THOSE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SITE PLAN APPROVAL BEFORE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT.

AND SO THE OFFICE COMPONENT, IF THIS IS APPROVED, WOULD NEED TO COME BACK FOR SITE PLAN BEFORE GRANTING FINAL APPROVAL IN ORDER TO OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT.

AND AND INCLUDED IN THAT SITE PLAN THAT WE WOULD NEED TO REVIEW IN THE FUTURE.

WOULD THAT INCLUDE SQUARE FOOTAGES AND KIND OF EVERYTHING ALL OVER AGAIN? BECAUSE I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS DECREASED THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.

BUT WHEN? WHEN? HYPOTHETICALLY, IF HE WERE TO SEE AN APPROVAL TONIGHT ON THE 23,000 SOME ODD SQUARE FEET.

ARE WE HELD TO THAT? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THAT? HOW DOES THAT WORK? IT THAT WOULD BE HELD TO BE A MAXIMUM, IN OUR OPINION.

IN MY OPINION.

AND SO YES, THEY THEY WOULD HAVE TO STAY AT OR BELOW THAT 23,000FT² THEY'RE IDENTIFYING.

AND WHAT THEY SUBMIT BACK TO.

YOU WOULD NEED TO SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORM WITH THE RENDERINGS AND AND ALL THE OTHER IMAGES AND DESCRIPTIONS THEY'VE PROVIDED AS PART OF THIS ZONING. OKAY.

AND MY LAST QUESTION, SINCE THERE IS NO DEFINITION OF MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, THERE'S NO SIZE, IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY.

CONVERSELY, IS THERE ALSO NO DEFINITION OF WHAT GARDEN OFFICE ACTUALLY MEANS? THERE, THERE THERE IS NOT IN THE, IN THE LAND USE PLAN.

AND I DID A QUICK SEARCH JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S DESCRIBED IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS, I THINK AS THE.

COM AS OUR LAND USE PLAN WAS DEVELOPED, THE CONCEPT AND IDEA OF SOUTHLAKES VIEW OF WHAT A GARDEN OFFICE IS WAS TO BE GENERALLY MORE RESIDENTIAL AND ITS CHARACTERISTICS.

IS THAT GENERALLY JUST.

THAT IS SOLELY MY OPINION.

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NO, THERE THERE IS NOT.

OKAY. ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT KIND OF THE THE THE DESIRE FOR CONNECTIVITY TO 1709 AND THE THE FUTURE CONNECTION OF CROSS LANE TO CARROLL AVENUE.

IS IT STILL CONSIDERED CONNECTION TO CARROLL AVENUE IF IT'S CONNECTED TO A GATED PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WHERE, LIKE, I TOTALLY GET THE CONCERN ABOUT PEOPLE COMING DOWN CARROLL WHIPPING THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IF TO AVOID THE LIGHT LIKE THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN AS A FOXBOROUGH RESIDENT.

LIKE, HEY, I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, A NASCAR BETWEEN CARROLL AND 1709 TRYING TO AVOID THAT LIGHT.

BUT IF IT'S 20 ISH HOMES THAT ARE GATED.

IS THAT STILL CONSIDERED CONNECTIVITY TO CAROL, OR IS THAT JUST ALLOWING THE THE THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY TO ACTUALLY ACCESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, UNDER THE UNDER THE FIRST PROPOSAL, THERE'S NOT EVEN A CONNECTION.

IT'S JUST A CUL DE SAC.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL BECAUSE OF THIS, THIS DESIRE RIGHT HERE.

AND BECAUSE THE OTHER OPTION IS I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MENDEZ DOESN'T WANT THAT TO BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN AN EMERGENCY EXIT, BUT.

DOES DOCTOR MENDEZ GET TO MAKE THAT DECISION? IF WE FEEL LIKE THAT, THAT THE BEST THING FOR THE FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORS IS TO BE ABLE TO GO DOWN TOWER.

SURE. IT'S THERE FOR A REASON.

I MEAN, SURE, I JUST I DON'T SEE WHY WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE FORCING THIS TO ALWAYS BE AN EMERGENCY EXIT, WHETHER IT'S TOWER OR CROSS, EITHER ONE.

IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO ME.

CROSS IS THE MOST NATURAL SPOT.

I WOULD THINK THAT WHEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT CROSS DEAD IN THERE, THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A CUL DE SAC TO ME, THAT LOOKS LIKE, HEY, SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.

IT'S NOT A CUL DE SAC. YEAH, EXACTLY.

AND SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.

I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT NOT CONNECTING TO CAROL, BUT THIS DOESN'T CONNECT IT TO CAROL.

THIS JUST OPENS IT UP TO THE HOMES, THE OTHER FELLOW NEIGHBORS THAT ARE THERE THAT IF THEY WANT TO GO TO WHITE'S CHAPEL, THEY CAN GO OUT THERE AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO GO OUT THE FRONT. I MEAN, MAKING THESE EMERGENCY ONLYS, WHETHER IT'S TOWER OR CROSS, JUST FORCES MORE TRAFFIC TO CAROL.

YEAH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? OKAY. THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT BEFORE WE KIND OF DIG INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT GUYS.

OKAY, SO HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO DO.

I'M GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO GO.

WE'VE SEEN SOME ALTERNATIVES.

WE'VE GOT TWO SORT OF ON THE TABLE WITH A THIRD THAT WAS BRIEFLY SHOWN AND DISMISSED.

AND I WANT I WANT US TO GO AROUND THE HORN AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF WHAT OUR PREFERENCE IS.

AND I'M GOING TO START.

SO I'M GOING TO TELL I WANT TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS APPLICATION.

AND I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE VERSION THAT'S SHOWN BY THE DEVELOPERS.

AND THESE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS AND REASONABLE MINDS CAN DISAGREE ON THIS STUFF.

THESE ARE TOUGH CASES.

AND WHICH IS AGAIN, AS I SAID, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY SHOWING UP AND MAKING THEIR VOICES HEARD AND SHOWING UP AND PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.

THESE ARE THESE ARE HARD.

AND WE AS THE LEGISLATIVE BODY AND THIS SORT OF THING, WE HAVE TO BALANCE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

AND WE HAVE TO TO WEIGH THESE THINGS.

AND WE WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST FOR ALL OF SOUTHLAKE.

AND I HOPE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO I'M GOING TO I'M SUPPORTIVE FOR FOR THREE REASONS.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ALTERNATIVES, AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE.

SO THE FIRST IS PEOPLE I THINK THERE'S DISCUSSION OF SORT OF THE FACT THAT THE WAY SOUTHLAKE HAS DEVELOPED AND THE WAY THAT OUR PRICE POINTS ARE WORKING OUT, WE ARE LOSING PEOPLE AT BOTH ENDS OF THEIR FAMILY LIFE.

WE'RE LOSING FOLKS WHO ARE AT THE FRONT END OF THEIR FAMILY LIFE WITH SMALL KIDS.

AND THERE ARE STILL SOME AS AS THE DEVELOPERS NOTED, THAT CAN AFFORD TO MOVE INTO EXISTING STOCK THAT STARTS AT $1 MILLION OR NEW STOCK THAT STARTS AT THREE AND FOUR, BUT NOT A LOT. YOU KNOW, IN 2008, JOHN AND ELIZABETH HUFFMAN WERE 25 YEARS OLD, AND WE WERE LOOKING TO MOVE TO SOUTHLAKE, AND WE STRETCHED TO AFFORD A $400,000 HOME IN CIMARRON.

AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF ME, HONESTLY, IS KIND OF SAD THAT I COULDN'T AFFORD SOUTHLAKE BACK THEN LIKE THAT.

LIKE IF SOUTHLAKE IS WHAT IT IS NOW, I COULDN'T HAVE AFFORDED TO BE HERE.

I WOULD HAVE BEEN IN IN TROPHY CLUB OR ROANOKE AND ALL FINE COMMUNITIES, BUT I WOULD HAVE MISSED OUT ON RAISING MY FAMILY IN THIS INCREDIBLE PLACE.

NOW, I THINK AS COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON NOTED, THIS DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS THAT.

WHAT IT DOES ADDRESS IS PEOPLE ON THE OPPOSITE END.

AND I HEAR A LOT, AND I'M SURE A LOT OF YOU DO, TOO, OF FOLKS LOOKING TO DOWNSIZE OUT OF AN ACRE OR LARGER.

AND I LISTEN, I LIVE ON AN ACRE AND A HALF, 1.4 ACRES.

I'VE GOT TWO DOGS AND THREE GOATS AND A LLAMA.

OKAY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ACTUALLY LEGAL.

DENNIS. FORGET THAT. IF IT'S NOT SO I KIND OF LIVE THIS LOW DENSITY LIFESTYLE, AND I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO KEEP UP AN ACRE OF LAND, AN ACRE PLUS, AND THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS IN THAT SAME BOAT, AND AND THEY CAN AFFORD A MILLION AND A HALF OR $2 MILLION HOME NEW.

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AND THERE'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING THERE FOR THEM.

YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THE PRICING OF THESE NEW LOTS WHEN WE HOLD TO THIS ONE ACRE STANDARD? AND I LOVE THAT WE HAVE ONE ACRE PRODUCTS, AGAIN, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE DEVELOPED THE WAY WE HAVE.

I LOVE THIS PLACE.

NEW LOTS, THE ACRE LOTS START AT $1 MILLION AND BUILD PRICES USUALLY FIVE X OF A RETAIL LOT COST.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A $5 MILLION HOME THAT'S GOING ON THAT ONE ACRE LOT? WELL, IT'S JUST A LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WANT AND CAN AFFORD THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT.

SO THIS TO ME DOES ADDRESS THAT END END USER WHO'S EMPTY NESTERS, WHO WANTS TO STAY PLUGGED INTO THE COMMUNITY AND WHO WHO WANT TO KEEP GIVING BACK.

MAYBE IT'S MAYBE THEIR MAYBE THEIR THING IS CAROL ISD OR CAROL EDUCATION FOUNDATION.

MAYBE IT'S THE ARTS.

MAYBE IT'S DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW, CHARITIES INSIDE OF SOUTHLAKE OR METRO MEALS ON WHEELS, WHICH I GOT TO DRIVE AROUND WITH TODAY.

BUT WE WANT THEM HERE AND WE'RE LOSING THEM BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT WANT THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT THAT DON'T HAVE AN OPTION.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT SO DISSIMILAR TO THE BROWNSTONES, IN MY VIEW, OR THE CAROLYN VILLAS, BOTH OF WHICH, AGAIN, REASONABLE MINDS CAN DISAGREE.

BUT I THINK THEY'RE BOTH BEAUTIFUL PRODUCTS, AND I KNOW A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THOSE PRODUCTS.

SO TO ME, THIS DOES ADDRESS A NEED FOR, FOR FOR THAT SORT OF PERSON.

SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT PEOPLE I LIKE THIS, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ALTERNATIVES TOO, BECAUSE YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, THE MASTER PLAN, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, DOES NOT PROHIBIT MEDIUM DENSITY. AND THERE'S NO REAL CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT MEDIUM DENSITY IS.

SO WHENEVER WE LOOK AT A KIND OF A COMPREHENSIVE ZONING CASE LIKE THIS, THAT'S NOT JUST STRAIGHT ZONING.

THERE'S GOODS AND BADS, RIGHT? A LOT OF TIMES IT COMES WITH TRADE OFFS.

THE DEVELOPERS WANT A LITTLE SOMETHING, WANT AN OFFICE BUILDING INSTEAD OF HOMES THERE, OR WANT TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OUT OF A STRAIGHT ZONING CASE.

SO THERE'S SOME TRADE OFFS.

BUT BUT I WILL TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE, STRAIGHT ZONING IS VERY STRICT.

AND THERE'S I MEAN, WE CAN'T, AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY IN TEXAS PROHIBIT SOMEONE FROM DEVELOPING THEIR PROPERTY, RIGHT? THEY HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS JUST LIKE YOU.

YOU GET TO BUILD ON YOUR LOT.

SO DO. SO DOES DOCTOR MENDEZ, AND HE GETS TO SELL IT TO DEVELOPER.

AND SO WHEN WE REJECT THESE KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN ZONING COMMUNITIES, WHAT YOU RUN THE RISK OF IS GOING INTO STRAIGHT ZONING.

AND WE'VE DONE THIS ACTUALLY IT'S IRONIC THAT THIS IS HAPPENING IN MY SECOND TO LAST, YOU KNOW, FULL COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE MY FIRST COUNCIL MEETING, I VOTED ON A CASE THAT WAS NOT DISSIMILAR TO THIS.

IT WAS A POD WITH HALF ACRE LOTS AND A TON OF WALKABILITY AND GREEN SPACE AND VERSUS STRAIGHT ZONING.

ONE ACRE. AND I WILL TELL YOU, LOOKING BACK ON IT, I THINK I MADE THE WRONG VOTE.

I VOTED FOR THE STRAIGHT ONE ACRE INSTEAD OF THE PUTT, AND I THINK THE PUTT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER PRODUCT.

NOT THAT THAT ISN'T A GREAT, YOU KNOW, A GREAT LOCATION OR GREAT PEOPLE AND GREAT HOMES.

I JUST THINK I MADE A MISTAKE.

SO IT'S JUST THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES HERE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THAT CERTAINLY THE NEIGHBORS OR ANYBODY ELSE WATCHING THIS MIGHT LIKE BETTER THAN THIS BECAUSE THE LAND CAN BE DEVELOPED.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

BUT THE THIRD THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, I TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE AND ALTERNATIVES.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE.

BECAUSE AGAIN, AS I APPROACH.

AT THE END OF MY TIME ON THIS DAIS, I, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING A LOT ABOUT HOW THE CITY IS GOING TO DEVELOP.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE WORKED ON AND CHEWED ON FOR THE LAST NINE YEARS IS I'VE BEEN UP HERE IS PRESERVING WHAT IS MADE SOUTHLAKE SO WONDERFUL AND THE POWER TO KEEP SOUTHLAKE SO WONDERFUL.

AND WE HAVE A LEGISLATURE, AND I LOVE OUR LEGISLATURE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE INSIDE OF IT, BUT WE HAVE A LEGISLATURE THAT SOMETIMES MAKES CITIES THE BAD GUYS.

AND FOR NINE YEARS, ANYBODY UP HERE, ANYBODY ON STAFF WILL TELL YOU, WE'VE WATCHED AN EROSION OF WHAT WE CALL LOCAL CONTROL.

AND SOME OF IT HONESTLY, IS AIMED AT BIG CITIES.

AND IT KIND OF MAKES SOME SENSE.

SOME OF IT REALLY IMPACTS WHAT WE CAN DO AS A CITY.

SO I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT THE LEGISLATURE IS TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING.

AND I POINT YOU BACK TO A BILL THAT WAS FILED LAST SESSION.

THIS IS NOT ME MAKING STUFF UP.

THIS IS NOT SOME CRACKPOT JUST TALKING ABOUT IT ON TWITTER.

THIS WAS A BILL FILED IN THE TEXAS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

THIS BILL, HB 3921, WOULD HAVE PROHIBITED CITIES FROM RESTRICTING ZONING TO ANYTHING LESS THAN 31.1 UNITS PER ACRE, 31.1 UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT BILL WAS FILED.

I'M THANKFUL IT DIDN'T PASS AND IT FIZZLED PRETTY QUICKLY, BUT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS BILLS FILE ONE SESSION AND THEN THE NEXT SESSION THEY REALLY PUSH HARD ON IT.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, LAST WEEK EVERYONE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.

IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING FROM GOVERNOR ABBOTT ON DOWN, EVERYONE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.

AND IT'S A PROBLEM IN TEXAS.

IT'S A PROBLEM IN DFW.

YOU CAN'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER.

AND WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, IN MY VIEW, IS DOING THAT.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND, YOU KNOW, ONEROUS ZONING LAWS, ZONING LAWS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ATTACK THIS BECAUSE IT'S DESTROYING HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.

SO I'M NOT TRYING TO PRESENT ANY SCARE TACTICS HERE, BUT I AM SAYING THAT ZONING, SPECIFICALLY OUR ABILITY TO MANAGE VIA MASTER PLAN AND VIA ZONING, WHICH WE

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SO WE ALL HAVE TO COUNT THE COST HERE, BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS FOR INFILL PROPERTIES LIKE THIS TO ALL OF A SUDDEN, PER STATE STATUTE, BE SUBJECT TO 31 UNITS AN ACRE. THIS IS NINE ACRES.

YOU GUYS CAN DO THAT MATH.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A SCARE TACTIC.

I DO THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS IN CONTEXT HERE.

AND THAT'S CERTAINLY PART OF THE CONTEXT.

SO ALL THAT'S LONG WINDED AND SORRY YOU GUYS HAD TO LISTEN TO IT.

I AM GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROPOSAL AS PLANNED IF, YOU KNOW.

BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S SIX VOTES UP HERE.

SO WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING THROUGH IT AS A COUNCIL.

SO I GUESS I'D GO DOWN TO COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON.

WHY DON'T YOU. GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

ALL GOOD THOUGHTS. I MEAN, VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT.

I, I HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING BEHIND THIS ONE AS IT STANDS.

YOU KNOW, I, I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

I SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT HERE.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE DEVELOPMENT HERE.

I THINK I AGREE 100%.

LANDOWNERS HAVE A RIGHT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY.

THE OFFICE PIECE DOESN'T BOTHER ME AT ALL.

YOU KNOW, JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THOUGH, FOR US TO NOW SAY, WELL, WE REALLY CAN'T DEFINE DENSITY.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS MEDIUM DENSITY? WHAT IS HIGH DENSITY? THAT CONTRADICTS THE WAY THIS BODY HAS LOOKED AT DEVELOPMENT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.

TO TRY TO DETERMINE DENSITY AND APPROPRIATENESS AND WHERE THINGS GO AND SO FORTH.

THAT'S MY ISSUE HERE, IS I JUST FEEL LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE IS TOO DENSE FOR THIS.

IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING AROUND IT.

YOU KNOW, QUITE HONESTLY, I KNOW YOU KNOW, CURTIS, YOU KIND OF HIT IT QUICKLY.

BUT THE SLIDE THAT YOU SHOWED THAT, YOU SAID, WE'RE NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS PRODUCT, BUT IT WAS THE ONE THAT SHOWED LOT SIZES THAT WERE VERY CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING AROUND YOU.

THAT ONE TO ME WAS A NO BRAINER.

I LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, WELL, THAT'S THAT'S BRILLIANT.

IT FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE CURRENT RESIDENTIAL.

YOU PUT THE OFFICE ON THE FRONT END AND THAT'S KIND OF YOUR TRANSITION TO TOWN SQUARE.

AND TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S A THAT'S A BULL'S EYE.

BUT YOU KNOW, AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, I, YOU KNOW, I JUST I HAVE A REAL CONCERN AND A LOT OF IT TOO IS THIS TRAFFIC PIECE.

I KNOW I WAS KIND OF HONING IN ON TRAFFIC.

I'M STILL NOT 100% CLEAR ON ALL THAT.

YOU KNOW, TRAVIS, I JUST I'M DOING THE ROUGH MATH IN MY HEAD AT 19,000.

I DON'T KNOW THE DEFINITION OF YOUR ENGINEER AS TO HOW MANY HOURS WERE PEAK HOURS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF I SAY THAT'S THREE AND I DO THE MATH ON IT, 1% IS NOT THE NUMBER.

I JUST I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, I CAN LOOK AT THAT SOME MORE.

BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE A TRAFFIC BURDEN ON CAROL.

THE WAY IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.

IT HELPS A TON IF YOU GET A IF YOU GET IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU KNOW, A WAY TO GET OUT.

THAT'S NOT ALL GOING TO CAROL, BUT YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT.

I REALIZE YOUR ENGINEERING STUDY WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE OFFICE COMPLEX, BUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 5:00 IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN, LIKE YOU SAID, THESE ARE 9 TO 5 OFFICES. WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL LEAVING, YOU HAVE RESIDENTS COMING IN FROM THEIR BUSINESS.

I JUST I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A HEAVY BURDEN ON CAROL.

SO I JUST I JUST DON'T THINK AS IT SITS, IT'S THE RIGHT PIECE.

BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY JUST NOT AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. TORRES-LEPP.

SO THIS HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.

OBVIOUSLY. CLEARLY WE'VE WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, P&Z RECOMMENDING DENIAL.

I THINK YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR OPINIONS ARE ALL OVER THE BOARD.

I LIKE EVERY MEMBER UP HERE WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR SOUTHLAKE.

AND THINKING THROUGH FROM THE BEGINNING WHEN WE STARTED SEEING THIS AT CORRIDOR, IT'S A REALLY GOOD OPTION FOR THAT SPACE.

I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME TWEAKING THAT COULD BE DONE.

I LIKE WHAT'S BEEN DONE SO FAR.

ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY LIKE ABOUT IT, HONESTLY, IS THAT IT'S WILLOW TREE.

THESE ARE GUYS THAT ARE PLANTED IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT CARE ABOUT THE LOOK AND FEEL OF OUR COMMUNITY.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S ONE OWNER ON THE STREET BEHIND THAT.

IS IT OWNED BY THAT'S BEHIND IT.

THAT CAME TO ME PERSONALLY AND SAID, WE KNOW THAT THAT PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, AND WE'RE THRILLED THAT IT'S TRAVIS AND JODI AND THAT THEY'RE PUTTING NO WINDOWS ON THE BACKSIDE AND THAT THEY'RE PUTTING UP THE EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL.

THAT'S A BUILDER THAT CARES ABOUT HOW THIS LOOKS IN THE END.

AND THAT'S THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO BE AROUND.

IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO OWN UP TO IT.

THEY'RE GOING TO FIX IT.

THAT MATTERS. THAT MATTERS TO ME.

AND IT SHOULD, BECAUSE THE GUYS THAT ARE HERE THAT ARE BUILDING AND DEVELOPING IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT ARE STILL HERE, THEY CARE ABOUT THE LOOK AND FEEL, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. I AGREE WITH MAYOR HUFFMAN.

WE ABSOLUTELY NEED A SOME MORE EMPTY NESTER PRODUCTS.

I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT WE PUT 31 UNITS PER ACRE.

BUT GETTING TO THE END OF MY CHILDREN RAISING YEARS IN SOUTHLAKE AND I LIVE ON AN ACRE.

I HAVE THE LEGAL NUMBER OF CHICKENS ALLEGEDLY.

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AND WITH ONE CHILD ABOUT TO GRADUATE, IT'S THIS IS A DESIRABLE PRODUCT TO ME.

SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO STAY IN THE COMMUNITY, WHO WANTS THAT LOCK AND LEAVE LIFESTYLE WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO COME HOME TO AN ACRE OF OF YARD WORK EVERY DAY.

OR MY HUSBAND RATHER DOESN'T HAVE TO COME HOME TO THE ACRE OF YARD WORK.

I'M ALL ABOUT THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT AND CONNECTIVITY.

SO I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON A COMMENT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS MADE, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY BEEN MY OPINION SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING.

IT REALLY MAKES SENSE TO ME, FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY TO EXIT OUT CROSS LANE.

YOU WON'T HAVE THE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT'S A GATED COMMUNITY ON CARROLL, SO PEOPLE WON'T BE CUTTING THROUGH AND TRYING TO AVOID THE LIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE TRYING TO FORCE EVERYBODY TO EXIT OUT THE MENDEZ PROPERTY AND TALK ABOUT THE MENDEZ PROPERTY, AND I'VE HEARD SEVERAL PEOPLE TALK TONIGHT ABOUT THEY NEED 1709 ACCESS. SO IT KIND OF JUST MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO OPEN THAT UP AND HAVE ONE THOUGHTFUL, CONNECTED DEVELOPMENT OF A WELL THOUGHT OUT, GOOD LOOKING DEVELOPMENT, DETACHED HOMES AND A PRODUCT THAT THE THAT SO MANY RESIDENTS LIKE ME COMING INTO, YOU KNOW, THE DAYS OF BEING A GRANDMOTHER ARE HERE AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO STAY IN SOUTHLAKE, BUT I REALLY AM NOT SURE I WANT AN ACRE HOME.

SO THAT SAID, MY FAVORITE PLAN WAS ACTUALLY THE HYBRID PLAN THAT WAS BRIEFLY POPPED UP TONIGHT.

AND THE REASON WHY I LIKE THAT IT HAD THREE LARGER LOTS ON THE LEFT SIDE, AND THEN IT HAD SOME VILLAS ON THE RIGHT.

THIS BEING BRAND NEW BUILD, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

IF YOU OPENED UP CROSS, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE NEW HOMES.

SOME WERE ON THE SAME SIZE LOTS AS FOXBORO, AND I THINK IT WOULD KIND OF LOOK AND FEEL LIKE ONE COMMUNITY AT THE END OF THE DAY.

I. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

I HAD A I.

I DEBATED ON THIS PIECE BECAUSE I REALLY WAS NOT SURE ABOUT A LARGE, LARGE COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN THE FRONT AND HOW THAT WOULD LOOK, AND ESPECIALLY TO THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE GOING TO DRIVE HOME. ARE THEY GOING TO DRIVE PAST A COMMERCIAL BUILDING EVERY DAY TO GET HOME? BUT NOW THAT THEY'VE WIDENED THAT NORTH ENTRANCE AND YOU HAVE THE GATE AND THE LANDSCAPING, I THINK IT FEELS SOFTER.

SO THAT'S WHERE I AM ON THAT.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCASKILL.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'VE REALLY STRUGGLED WITH THIS.

I THINK WE'VE SEEN THIS SEVERAL TIMES.

THOSE OF US WHO ARE ON CORRIDOR COMMITTEE, WE'VE SEEN IT SEVERAL TIMES OVER IN DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF IT.

AND I GET THE RESIDENTS IN FOXBORO HAVING HEARTBURN AND CONCERNS ABOUT OPENING UP CROSS LANES.

SO I GET THAT. SO THAT'S WHY I KEEP BRINGING UP.

OKAY. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO WITH AN OPTION THAT HAS ACCESS TO CROSS LANE, THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO LOOK AT GOING TO THE SOUTH THROUGH DOCTOR MENDEZ'S PROPERTY. I LIKE THE PRODUCT IN THE SENSE OF WE HAVE APPROVED OTHER SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS ALONG CONTINENTAL, WHICH IS MY NECK OF THE WOODS.

I'M AT CONTINENTAL AND WHITECHAPEL, AND WE HAD TWO SMALLER, YOU KNOW, A DOZEN OR 20 HOUSES ALONG CONTINENTAL.

ONE OF THEM WAS ZONED FOR MOBILE HOMES.

AND WE CHANGED THAT TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT'S BEING PRESENTED.

SO AS WE GET CLOSER TO BEING BUILT OUT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE NECESSARILY ONE ACRE LOTS OR EVEN HALF ACRE LOTS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE KIND OF WEIRD AND DIFFERENT AND CREATIVE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

THIS IS NOT PERFECT.

I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LACK OF YOU KNOW, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, ALL THIS LAND FROM DOCTOR MENDEZ AND THE OTHER NEIGHBOR WOULD ALL BE MASTER PLAN AND PUT TOGETHER INSTEAD OF JUST THESE PROPOSED ARROWS OF WHERE IT MIGHT HOOK UP.

BUT THAT'S NOT BEFORE US TONIGHT, SO I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH IT.

TO BE HONEST, I WISH I COULD BE MORE DEFINITIVE, BUT I LIKE THE I LIKE THE DESIGN OF THE HOMES AND WHAT IT OFFERS, BUT IT'S STILL GOT SOME SOME WARTS ON IT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

BUT I'M ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER ROBINSON, I LEAN MORE TOWARDS PROBABLY COUNCILMAN LOPES MENTALITY ABOUT THIS.

I ACTUALLY LOVE WHAT TRAVIS HAS DONE IN TOWN.

I MEAN, I'D BE HONORED TO HAVE HIM BUILD A HOME FOR ME.

AND I THINK THIS IS THE QUALITY OF HOME THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE.

I LIKE THIS PLAN.

I DON'T LOVE THIS DENSITY.

I'VE TOLD HIM THAT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, EVERY TIME WE'VE SEEN IT, I DON'T LOVE THE DENSITY.

ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, IS THE OTHER OPTION? I KNOW THE HALF ACRE LOTS IS NOT EVEN ON THE TABLE.

IS THE OTHER OPTION EVEN ON THE TABLE WHERE THERE IS A TRANSITION BETWEEN THREE LARGER LOTS.

TRANSITIONING TO THIS TALK ABOUT THE HYBRID.

YEAH. SO YEAH, THE HYBRID IS ON THE TABLE BECAUSE I THINK THE HYBRID DOES MAKE SENSE.

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I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WHAT THE RESIDENT'S CONCERNS ARE ABOUT THAT CONNECTIVITY.

BUT THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD.

I ENVISION IT KIND OF LIKE THAT VERY BACK PIECE OF BYRON NELSON.

I CAN REMEMBER WHAT THE NAME OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS.

IT'S ACTUALLY COLLEYVILLE THAT THEY WANT TO BE A SOUTHLAKE PEOPLE.

YEAH. CHADWICK.

YEAH. CHADWICK. KIND OF LIKE CHADWICK.

BUT AT LEAST THEY WON'T ALWAYS COME OUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY HAVE ACCESS TO BOTH SIDES.

AND I WOULD ALMOST WANT TO DEMAND US ALLOW ACCESS.

I WOULD BE FINE IF WE ALLOWED EXIT TO BOTH TOWER AND CROSS, SO THAT THERE WAS MULTIPLE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THIS, BECAUSE IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE THE PRIVATE RESIDENTS GETTING IN AND OUT OF THAT GATE.

IT'S GATED.

YOU'RE NOT, I MEAN, AND I'D BE FINE, LIKE ON THE CROSS WHEN NOT PUTTING, YOU KNOW, THE ENTRY KEYPAD WHERE VISITORS COULD COME IN THROUGH CROSS, BUT ONLY RESIDENTS COULD ACCESS IT TO THAT SIDE SO THAT YOU'VE ONLY GOT IN THE HYBRID, YOU'VE GOT, WHAT, 22 OR 21? I REMEMBER WHAT THE HYBRID ONE IS, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

IT'S NOT UP HERE. 19 YOU'VE GOT 19 HOMES ACCESSING YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

GEORGE KILLOUGH WE PUT UP THE HYBRID.

IT IS ENTRY FROM CROSS EVEN AN OPTION UNDER THE HYBRID.

I'VE BEEN TOLD. YES. WELL, NO, NOTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED PRESENTS THAT OPTION RIGHT NOW, RIGHT, RIGHT.

RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY.

YEAH YEAH, YEAH. SO LIKE TO ME, I'LL JUST BE HONEST.

THAT CUL DE SAC OFF OFF OFF FOXBORO BY THE RETENTION POND LOOKS ODD.

IF YOU MAKE THAT CONNECT.

IT LOOKS VERY FLUID.

AND YOU, YOU GATE THE THE YOU KNOW, THE THE WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING THESE, THE SMALLER YOU GATE, THE SMALLER ONES THE THE LOCK IN LEAVE AND LEAVE THE BIGGER ONES OPEN TO FOXBORO.

AND, AND THEY'VE GOT ACCESS TO, TO LEAVE AND THEY'RE A PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS.

THE OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN AND A LOT OF HEARTBURN ABOUT THE TWO STORY BUILDING, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING VERSUS A ONE STORY.

BUT WE TALKED ABOUT SO MANY OF YOU MENTIONED HOW HIGH THE BANK BUILDING IS AS FAR AS THAT GOES.

THIS GOES DOWN.

I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW THE TOP LAYER, THE TOP OF THIS PROPOSED BUILDING VERSUS THE TOP OF THE BANK BUILDING.

WHAT ARE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THERE? ARE THEY PRETTY COMPARABLE OR IS IT HIGHER OR AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVEN HAVE THAT ANSWER.

BUT MR. FRANKS, DO YOU HAVE THAT ANSWER? OKAY. YEAH. HE'S SAYING WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AS YOU GO DOWN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT SORT OF DROPS TO CAROL.

RIGHT. EXACTLY. YEAH.

NO, I THINK IT DROPS FROM CAROL.

I MEAN, BECAUSE THE BANK IS BUILT UP PRETTY HIGH, ISN'T IT? THEY SAID THAT'S THE HIGHEST SPOT, IS IT? I DON'T KNOW EITHER WAY.

WE'LL LOOK AT IT. YEAH, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS TO CONSIDER.

I THIS PLAN TO ME DROPS THE DENSITY SOME AND GETS IT TO A MUCH MORE PALATABLE SPOT FOR ME.

THAT'S KIND OF BEEN ALWAYS MY CONCERN.

THE TRAFFIC IS, IS THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE'S GOING TO BE EVEN IF YOU WENT MEDIUM STRAIGHT, MEDIUM DENSE, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ON HERE, YOUR TRAFFIC'S GOING TO BE YOUR TRAFFIC. SO I THINK THAT THIS OPTION TO ME DROPS THE DENSITY SIGNIFICANTLY GIVES EVEN A BETTER BUFFER FOR THE FOXBOROUGH RESIDENTS.

I DO.

RANDY ASKED ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WOOD FENCE.

I DON'T LIKE THE WOOD FENCE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

I'D RATHER SEE IT BE UNIFORM MASONRY ALL AROUND EVERYTHING.

I JUST THINK THAT IT WAS IN A MUCH BETTER LOOK.

SO. OKAY.

I AGREE. I THINK THAT'S IT.

OKAY. MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, SIR, BEFORE YOU GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY.

JUST BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT AND THE SLIDE IS THERE.

I'LL JUST THROW THIS OUT THERE.

IT GETS MORE INTERESTING.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIATIONS HERE.

YOU KNOW, TRAVIS, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF LOT, LOT THREE.

I MEAN, IF YOU PUT LOT THREE ON THE NORTH SIDE, YOU KNOW, NEXT NEXT TO WELL, WE GOT TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ALLEYS.

BUT MY POINT IS IF YOU CAN GET.

YOU KNOW, 6 OR 7 OF THE BIGGER LOTS ON THE NORTH SIDE.

THAT'S REAL TRANSITION FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH.

AND THEN YOU BUILD OUT YOUR YOUR GARDEN HOMES, CONDOS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

IT'S A COMPROMISE IN HERE.

AND IT GETS YOU IT GETS YOU THE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.

IT GETS YOU THE, I DON'T KNOW, ONE ONE, ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT AND I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.

SO I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THIS.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING FROM A VILLA PRODUCT TO A HALF ACRE LOT, THAT HALF ACRE LOT IS GOING TO BE NORTH OF $800,000 FOR THE LOT.

AND SO WHAT THAT HAPPENS IS WHEN A BUILDER HAS A LOT THAT'S RETAIL SO HIGH, THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THAT THING OUT TO THE MAXIMUM.

AND SO YOU'RE TALKING 6000 PLUS SQUARE FOOT HOUSES.

SO IF WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW THINKING THROUGH OKAY WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO ME, A 6000 7000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE ON LOTS ONE AND TWO IS FAR MORE IMPACTFUL TO THE FOLKS WHO BACK UP TO IT ON OWMBY LANE THAN THAN A ROW OF VILLAS TO ME.

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THOSE ARE GOING TO BE 3 TO $4 MILLION HOUSES.

THE WHOEVER TRAVIS OR WHOEVER ELSE BUILDS IT, IT'S GOING TO MAX OUT THOSE LOTS.

UNDERSTOOD. THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH. I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM THEM.

YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR OPINION WOULD BE ON THAT? NOT TONIGHT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS PART.

BUT I JUST SAY THAT THERE ARE VARIATIONS, THERE'S OPTIONS.

AND I WISH WE'D HAVE SPENT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON DIFFERENT OPTIONS TONIGHT BECAUSE, LIKE, I'M CLEAR, I WANT TO DEVELOP IT.

I THINK IT MAKES SENSE. I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

SO ANYWAY. BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WAY OF COUNCIL MEMBER.

TALLEY. YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT OPTIONS, THOUGH? AND I JUST WANT JUST FOR MY EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES, THEY CAN BRING DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO THE SECOND READING OF THIS, WHATEVER OPTIONS WE WANT THEM TO.

YEAH, SURE.

COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY. ALL RIGHT.

YEAH. THE THE THE SECOND ITERATION THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE P&Z THAT P&Z VOTED ON.

I HAVE A LOT OF STRUGGLE WITH THAT.

THE DENSITY AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS AT CORRIDOR.

FOR ME, IT'S THE TRAFFIC.

IT'S THE SAFETY. IT'S IT'S ONLY ONE ACCESS.

AND THAT'S OFF OF CARROLL.

AND THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FACE WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE ONE WAY TO GO IN AND OUT TO GO HOME.

AND SO I'M GLAD A LOT OF YOU HAD ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE ACCESS TO CROSS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S THE LEAST POPULAR WITH THE THE NEIGHBORS, BUT I THINK.

WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THERE'S GOING TO BE A GATE THERE.

IT'S A GATED COMMUNITY.

SO IT'S NOT PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE RACING DOWN CROSS TO JUST DRIVE UP INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY HAVE TO SLOW DOWN, STOP, WAIT FOR THE GATE TO OPEN AND THE SAME ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO I MEAN, I HAVE FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN FOXBORO THAT HAVE LIVED THERE A LONG TIME, AND I GET IT.

IT'S A QUIET, PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I DON'T THINK THIS ACCESS IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT.

IT'S GOING TO ADD A FEW CARS.

BUT AGAIN, THEY HAVE ANOTHER WAY TO GO.

IF THEY GO OUT, CAROL AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN EXPLORING.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ACCESS DOWN.

IT IS A BUSY MEDICAL COMPLEX DOWN THERE.

I'VE VISITED THE ALLERGIST AND THE ORTHOPEDIC AND SO ON.

SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, BUT I, I DO LIKE THE DENSITY OF THIS BETTER.

IT'S A IT'S MORE COMFORTABLE FOR ME.

AND I THINK, I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GATE.

AND SO I THINK MAYBE IT'S WORTH MAYBE OPTIONS FOR NEXT TIME, WHATEVER WE DECIDE.

BUT I THINK THE CUL DE SAC IS ODD AS WELL.

AND I THINK MY PREFERENCE JUST RIGHT NOW LOOKING AT THIS IS I WOULD INCLUDE THOSE THREE HOMES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S A WHOLE LOOK INSIDE.

IT'S A WHOLE YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THAT GOING ON IN THIS INTERIOR SPACE INSTEAD OF SEPARATING THEM.

PLUS YOU'VE GOT THE BEAUTIFUL POND AND ALL THE LANDSCAPING.

SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE OTHER OPTION THAT THAT P&Z SAID NO TO, BUT I, I AM INTERESTED IN THIS OR A VERSION OF THIS. IT'S A HYBRID A HYBRID OKAY.

OKAY. SO.

BY MY TALLEY WE'VE GOT TALLEY.

WE'VE GOT 4 OR 5 INTERESTED IN THE HYBRID PROJECT, OR FOR MYSELF, COUNCIL MEMBER TORRES-LEPP COUNCIL MEMBER ROBINS.

COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY.

IF SO, IF THAT'S THE WAY IT SHAKES OUT, THEN I THINK WHAT WE WHAT WE WOULD DO IS ADVANCE IT TO SECOND READING ON A MOTION WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO BRING BACK OPTIONS ON THE THINGS THAT YOU IDENTIFIED.

SO I WANT TO DIVE INTO THAT.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT WANTING TO SEE OPTIONS ON.

CONNECTION TO CROSS.

FIGURING OUT LOTS ONE THROUGH THREE, HOW TO MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE CONGRUENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT OPTIONS TO TRY TO GET SOME TRAFFIC OUT TO TOWER? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE? YES. YES.

YEAH. I MEAN, WHY NOT? LET'S LET'S LOOK AT OPTIONS.

I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, IF WE HAVE A LANDOWNER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL FOR LANDOWNER AND PROPERTY RIGHTS, AND WE HAVE A LANDOWNER WHO IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT SUPER THRILLED ABOUT THAT.

I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SURE. OBVIOUSLY.

AND WE WOULD THERE MAY NEED TO BE A GIVE AND TAKE, BECAUSE THE REALITY IS, IF HE WANTS HIS LAND TO DEVELOP, THIS MAY BE WHAT IT TAKES.

SO I DO THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, CAN YOU GO TO THAT OTHER THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS IT WAS IT WAS ALL LARGER LOTS.

I JUST WANT TO LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICK.

RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPER HAS NO INTEREST IN THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO SEE OPTIONS AS I VOICED EARLIER, THAT WOULD SEE HOW CREATIVE YOU CAN GET AROUND GETTING THOSE LARGER LOTS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE AND USING THE SOUTH SIDE FOR YOUR FOR YOUR LOWER, YOU KNOW, LOWER ACREAGE LOTS.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK I'D BE CREATIVE ON THIS, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT.

I ALMOST FEEL OPPOSITE.

I ALMOST FEEL LIKE YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT.

YOU WOULD WANT THE LARGER LOTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND YOU WOULD WANT THE LOTS THAT ARE BACKING UP TO FOXBORO TO BE THE VILLAS, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT TO MAYOR'S POINT,

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YEAH, I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS ON THAT.

BUT YEAH, HOPEFULLY THAT'S VERY CLEAR DIRECTION TO YOU, TRAVIS.

COMPLETELY OPPOSITE FROM THE TWO OF US.

OKAY. OKAY.

SO AND YOU GUYS HAVE WORKED WITH DENNIS BEFORE, AND DENNIS HAS A UNIQUE ABILITY TO DISTILL ALL THESE COMMENTS FROM US INTO SOMETHING USABLE FOR YOU ALL.

SO DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, WE'RE RELYING ON YOU.

BUT MAYBECOUNCILMAN MCCASKILL, IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE MAKING THE MOTION, YOU CAN INCLUDE SOME OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS AS WE PROCEED TO SECOND READING. IF THAT'S THE VOTE OF COUNCIL.

SO, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, A VOTE ON FIRST READING IS ONLY A VOTE TO ADVANCE THIS STUFF TO SECOND READING.

SO AT SECOND READING, WHICH IS IN TWO WEEKS WHICH IS ALSO MY GOODBYE MEETING, SO YOU GUYS CAN COME EARLY AND HAVE CAKE WITH US IF YOU'D LIKE.

BUT WE WILL BE DIGGING INTO THIS.

IF THIS PASSES, WE WILL BE DIGGING INTO THIS AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS.

AND THAT WILL BE. IF IT IS APPROVED, IT'LL BE THE FINAL VOTE.

IF IT'S DENIED, WILL BE THE FINAL VOTE.

EITHER WAY, THE SECOND READING IS SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED IN OUR ORDINANCE.

THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING, SAME SONG AND DANCE AS WE DID TONIGHT.

SO THERE WILL BE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF DIG THROUGH WHATEVER HE COMES BACK WITH.

SO JUST FYI.

SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL BEFORE WE DIG INTO A MOTION? WELL, THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE MAYOR WOULD BE.

I KNOW IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WHAT WE PASS, IF IT PASSES, BECAUSE THEY CAN TAKE DIRECTION AND COME BACK WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LOOK TO IT, AND THEN IT CAN PASS SECOND READING OR NOT PASSED SECOND READING.

BUT DOES IT MAKE SENSE JUST FROM A FROM A HYGIENE STANDPOINT, THAT IF WE FEEL LIKE AT LEAST THE STARTING POINT IS MUCH MORE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? YEAH, THAT WE SHOULD GO WITH THIS IS THE APPROVAL ON FIRST WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. YEAH.

MAYBE I'LL GO THROUGH WHAT THE LIST IS BEFORE I MAKE THE FORMAL MOTION IF THAT'S HELPFUL, SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO CAPTURE EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS.

YEAH. THIS IS THE BASIS TO COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON'S POINT.

MAYBE WE THIS IS THE HYBRID SEEMS CLOSER.

THE HYBRID SEEMS TO BE WHERE THERE'S START WITH APPROVAL OF THE HYBRID WITH COMMENTS ACCORDINGLY.

SO YEAH LET'S TRY THAT.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION YET.

BUT WE'LL START WITH THIS HYBRID.

ONE COMMENT WAS THE MASONRY FENCE ON THE SOUTH SIDE PROPERTY LINE CONNECTION THROUGH CROSS LANE, WHICH I GUESS TAKES IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, TAKES OUT THAT CUL DE SAC LOOKING THING BY THE POND.

THAT WAS ANOTHER COMMENT.

MAYBE RECONFIGURE THE YELLOW LOTS ONE, TWO AND THREE.

I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER SET OF LOTS ONE, TWO AND THREE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, BUT I HEARD SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT RECONFIGURING THOSE LOTS.

THE BIG LOTS OR HALF ACRE LOTS ONE, TWO AND THREE.

MAYBE MOVE LOT THREE UP TO THE NORTH BOUNDARY LINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK I HEARD SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

I'M NOT SURE WHO SAID IT, BUT SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES AND I THINK THAT'S IT.

UNLESS YOU HAD OTHER COMMENTS YOU WANTED TO FOR HOMEWORK FOR THE APPLICANT.

ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK THAT DOES IT.

IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.

COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY SEVEN A TACKLING SEVEN A.

YEAH, THAT'S JUST THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE OFFICE TO GO ON THIS PROPERTY.

YEAH I'M TALKING ABOUT SEVEN B.

YEAH. YEAH.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT? BUILT INTO 70 MOTION.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT.

AND THEN, DENNIS, IF WE MISS ANYTHING, JUST PASS IT ON AS HOMEWORK.

OKAY. SO THEN WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, LET'S CLOSE THE SESSION.

I THINK WE'RE READY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OFFICIALLY, BUT WE'LL WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON SEVEN A FIRST, WHICH IS THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOR THE OFFICE.

AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO SEVEN B.

SO TAKE IT AWAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCASKILL.

YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM SEVEN, A ORDINANCE.

NUMBER 1269-BA CASE NUMBER CP 20 4-0001.

FIRST READING AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AN ELEMENT OF THE SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE OVERLOOK FOR PROPERTY, DESCRIBED AS A PORTION OF TRACT 3C WW HALL SURVEY ABSTRACT 695, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS AND LOCATED AT 240 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 26TH, 2024, NOTING, WE'RE APPROVING AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ALLOW FOR THE OFFICE COMMERCIAL LAND USE FOR A PORTION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WHERE THE EXISTING LAND USE IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 26TH, 2024.

THAT'S FOR SEVEN A OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

OKAY, SEVEN EIGHT PASSES SIX ZERO ON FIRST READING.

LET'S TAKE A MOTION ON SEVEN B.

YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM SEVEN.

B ORDINANCE NUMBER 480 DASH 810.

CASE NUMBER ZI-A 20 3-0072.

FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE IN DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE OVERLOOK AND WILLOW TREE GARDENS FOR PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACTS THREE C AND PORTIONS OF TRACTS THREE, D03

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CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS AND LOCATED AT 240 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 26TH, 2024 AND REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED MARCH 15TH, 2024.

NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING WHAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AND PRESENTED AS THE HYBRID OPTION, WHICH HAS THREE WHAT'S BEEN DEPICTED AS YELLOW, APPROXIMATELY HALF ACRE LOTS AND 19 OTHER OF THE SMALLER LOTS.

NOTING WE'RE DIRECTING THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT A REVISED PLAN BASED ON THIS HYBRID MODEL THAT INCLUDES A MASONRY FENCE ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, ALSO DIRECTING THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT A PLAN THAT INCLUDES CONNECTION TO THE EXISTING CROSS LANE.

ALSO DIRECTING THE APPLICANT TO LOOK AT OPTIONS FOR RECONFIGURING THE YELLOW HALF ACRE LOTS ONE, TWO AND THREE.

POSSIBLY MOVING THAT LOT THREE TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S IT.

DO YOU NEED TO? WE DON'T HAVE TO READ ALL THAT.

OKAY, OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

OKAY. ITEM SEVEN PASSES 5 TO 1, SO THAT MOVES FROM FIRST READING TO SECOND READING, AND THAT WILL BE HELD IN TWO WEEKS ON I BELIEVE IT'S APRIL THE 16TH.

OKAY, GREAT. SO THAT DOES IT FOR TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.