[1. Call to Order. ]
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6:38 PM HERE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CITY HALL.
WELCOME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR APRIL 4TH, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT THIS EVENING.
MY NAME IS DAN KUBIAK, I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS BEFORE,
[4. Chairman Comments.]
I THINK WE'VE ONLY GOT ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD IN TERMS OF HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.
WE'LL HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION, WE'LL ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE THERE, WE'LL HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION, AND THEY'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR BOTH THE PRESENTATION AND QUESTIONS.
THEN WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WILL OPEN UP WHERE EVERYBODY WILL GET MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES, TO COME UP AND COMMENT, WHICH YOU CAN USUALLY PRETTY MUCH COVER MOST OF ANY CONCERNS THERE.
WE'LL NOTE THEM DOWN AND WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE TO US.
THEN ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS OVER, WE CAN ALWAYS MAYBE CIRCLE BACK IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS BACK TO THE APPLICANT.
THEN THIS BODY, ULTIMATELY, UNLESS IT GETS TABLED, WE'LL VOTE ON A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME PRESENTATIONS, EVERYBODY WILL GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK, AND THANKFULLY, WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE LIST THIS EVENING HOPEFULLY, WE CAN WORK THROUGH EVERYTHING PRETTY EXPEDITIOUSLY.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THROUGH THE AGENDA IN THE ORDER IT WAS PRESENTED THIS EVENING.
ARE THERE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS? GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I'LL CONCUR ON CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS SINCE I JUST MADE THOSE.
ITEM NUMBER 5 IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES ON
[5. Consider: Approval of the minutes for the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on March 21, 2024. ]
OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON MARCH 21ST, AND I'VE GIVEN SOME EDITS TO STAFF ON WHAT I'D NOTICED EARLIER.THE REVISED MINUTES HAS BEEN PASSED OUT TO THE GROUP THIS EVENING.
ANY MOTION WE'D ASK YOU TO REFER TO THE REVISED MINUTES.
WE'LL REFER TO THE REVISED MINUTES.
THE OTHER QUESTION I DIDN'T ASK EARLIER WAS ON ITEM 9, I WASN'T AT THE MEETING LAST TIME.
I NOTICED THAT THIS IS THE SNOW COME STAND THAT'S BEEN OUT ON THE NORTH SIDE FOR YEARS.
WAS THAT A CORRECT VOTE? DID YOU DID HAVE ONE VOTE IN OPPOSITION? THAT WAS INCORRECT, I BELIEVE, YES.
PERFECT. YEAH. I WAS GOING TO I WAS GOING TO STRUGGLE WITH THAT IF SOMEBODY OPPOSED THE SNOW CONE THAT BEEN DRIVEN PAST IT FOR 20 YEARS, I WAS GOING TO HAVE SOME STRUGGLES THERE.
I THINK WE'VE GOT THE REVISED MINUTES ALL CLEANED UP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I THINK WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M MAKING A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, ITEM NUMBER 5 ON OUR AGENDA AND NOTING IN PARTICULAR THAT THESE ARE THE REVISED MINUTES FOR THE MARCH 21ST, 2024 MEETING.
I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
IT PASSES 4-1, SO WE ARE CRUISING ALONG HERE.
NOW WE'LL BRING UP THE REGULAR PORTION OF OUR AGENDA WHICH IS ITEM 6-7.
[Items 6 & 7]
I BELIEVE STAFF IS FINE IF WE TAKE BOTH ITEMS 6 AND 7 AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH IS HOW WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING LATER, AND THESE ITEMS ARE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR BRUMLOW AND THE ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN ALSO FOR BRUMLOW EAST.THIS CLARIFICATION AND CONSIDERATION OF THE ITEM, WE'D ASK YOU TO TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL VOTE ON EACH.
YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AS YOU'VE STATED THE TWO ITEMS BEFORE YOU NOW, WE'LL PRESENT THEM TOGETHER.
OUR LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR A PORTION OF THE BRUMLOW EAST DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN A ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE WHOLE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THE SITE CURRENTLY IS A MIXED USE AND INDUSTRIAL LAND USES, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN OVERLAY, AS STATED, THE PART THAT WILL BE AMENDED IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT IDEAS TO CHANGE THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS INDUSTRIAL LAND USES TO A MIXED USE DESIGNATION WHICH IS ALREADY SEEN ON PROPERTY SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY.
THE IDEA IS TO ALLOW THIS RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT THERE AND PROVIDE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS MORE COHESIVE ALONG WITH A MIXED USE DESIGNATION AS OPPOSED TO INDUSTRIAL THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE SITE TODAY.
THESE ARE THE LAND USE TABLE SHOWING THE MIX OF USES ON THE SITE.
I'M HAPPY TO PLACE THESE UP AT ANY POINT IN TIME YOU WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THEM.
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THOUGH THEY'RE NOT PRECISELY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES, THEY DO GENERALLY CONFORM AND ALLOW FOR A OR A MIX OF USES ON THE SITE.THE CURRENT ZONING IS AG AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE SHOWING ITS LOCATION BETWEEN BRUMLOW AND CONTINENTAL AND THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS ON THE SITE.
THERE IS CURRENTLY A LITTLE OUTDATED, THERE IS MUSTANG BUSINESS PARK IN THIS REGION WOULD BE THE MAJOR ADDITION SINCE THIS AERIAL PHOTO WAS TAKEN.
HERE'S A STREET VIEW LOOKING SOUTH FROM CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD AND THIS IS A STREET VIEW FROM BRUMLOW AVENUE LOOKING SOUTH EAST.
HERE'S THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO PLACE THESE UP AT ANY POINT IN TIME, YOU MAY WANT TO REVIEW THEM OR CONSIDER THEM.
SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS ARE SETBACKS, MINIMUM FLOOR AREAS, WIDTHS OF SIDEWALKS, ET CETERA.
USING THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT DEVELOPERS PROPOSING THESE SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE OVERALL PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWING 56 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND APPROXIMATELY 71,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND OFFICE WAREHOUSE USES TO THE FAR SOUTH.
THE DEVELOPMENT IS DOMINATED AS WELL BY OPEN SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE DRAINAGE AND THE CREEK THAT FLOWS THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS PORTION WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN APPROVAL AT A FUTURE DATE.
THIS IS MORE OF A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT, AT THIS TIME, THEY'RE REQUESTING BUILDINGS TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 70,000 SQUARE FEET, PARK SUFFICIENTLY FOR OFFICE AND OFFICE WAREHOUSE USES.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWING A MIX OF DIFFERENT SIZE OF LOTS, RANGING FROM TWO ESTATE LOTS TO LOTS WITHIN THE 10000,9000,8000, DOWN TO 6,000 SQUARE FOOT RANGE, DEPENDING ON THEIR LOCATION IN THE TRANSITION DISTRICT ZONING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
MOST OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS PRIMARILY BETWEEN THE NEW RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE COMMERCIAL SITE TO PROVIDE SOME SCREENING BETWEEN THOSE PORTIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AS A MEETING TIME, WE HAVE RECEIVED NO FORMAL OPPOSITION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I KNOW THE APP IT'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
REGAN? MAYBE JUST A FEW FROM ME, REAL QUICK.
EFFECTIVELY, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A LESS INTENSE LAND USE THAN WHAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED THERE TODAY, RELATIVE TO THE INDUSTRIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL.
YES, SIR. THE INDUSTRIAL LAND USE ENCOMPASSES A LARGE AREA IN THAT REGION AS YOU CAN TELL.
OF COURSE, THIS IS SHOWING THE ZONING LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.
LOOKING TOWARDS THE FAR SOUTH WHERE INDUSTRIAL USES LIE TODAY.
THOSE ARE THE USES THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED PERMISSIBLE IN INDUSTRIAL LAND USE CATEGORY.
THE IDEA IS, YES, THE MIXED USE IS LESS INTENSE AND THAT IT WOULD NOT PERMIT THOSE FORM OF INDUSTRIAL USES, BUT RATHER A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND OTHER FORMS OF RELATED USES.
THE MIXED USE WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CHANGE IT TO, IS THE SAME MIXED USE CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE ON EITHER END OF THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? YES, SIR, IT IS.
THEN EVEN WITHIN THE MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION, EVEN IF WE CHANGE THAT AND ALLOW, FOR THE LESS INTENSE RESIDENTIAL USE, WE STILL HAVE FULL PURVEY OVER WHATEVER ZONING WE GRANT OR DON'T GRANT, RELATIVE TO WHAT'S AROUND IT AND TRANSITIONAL.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE, LOSING ANY CONTROL OF WHAT WE CAN ZONE IT, CORRECT? YES, SIR. THE MIXED USE IS USED AS A GUIDE, THE LAND USES ARE USED AS A GUIDE.
GOOD PRACTICE WOULD BE THAT THE MIXED USE LOOKS UP THE ENTIRETY OF THE AREA THAT IS DEEMED MIXED USE AND SHOULD BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH OR AT LEAST BE RELATED TO SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS.
THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL STILL RESERVE THE RIGHT FOR ANY FUTURE ZONING REQUESTS ON THE SITE.
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TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.DO YOU MIND GOING TO THE EXHIBIT THAT I KNOW YOU PUT TOGETHER IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE OTHER, RESIDENTIAL LOT SIZES IN TOWN? SURE.
YES, SIR. THESE ARE SOME OF THE VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT AND OTHER RELATED ZONING CATEGORIES, AND THERE ARE RELATIVE DENSITIES, PERHAPS THE CLOSEST OF INTEREST WOULD BE TEAL WOOD, WHICH IS LOCATED JUST WEST OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH HAS A 2.77 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THE LOT SIZES ARE A LITTLE LARGER, BUT DIDN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH DEDICATION OF OPEN SPACE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY DO VARY, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT VARIATIONS IN THE DENSITY, BUT THE DENSITY PROPOSED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS 1.71 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE.
A NUMBER OF THESE WERE PREVIOUSLY, THERE WERE SITUATIONS WHERE WE WERE EITHER GETTING SOMETHING WITH IT AND THEY'RE TRANSITIONAL ZONING AREAS AS WELL, IE, WE WERE EITHER THEY EITHER PREVIOUSLY WERE MANUFACTURED HOUSING SITES THAT WERE CONVERTED OVER OR SIMILAR TO THIS SITE, MAYBE ADJACENT TO MORE COMMERCIAL USES OR HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES.
THEN JUST CONFIRMING, I THINK THE FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALKS IS CONSISTENT WITH CITY STANDARDS, CORRECT?
>> YES, SIR. THE CITY WOULD REQUIRE A FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK WITH ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT AS ITS STANDARD.
THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT IS ONE OF THE FEW DISTRICTS THAT ASKED FOR SIX, BUT JUST FOR CONTINUITY WITH WHAT THE CITY WOULD REQUIRE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FIVE.
>> IT IS CONSISTENT OF WHAT THE CITY WOULD REQUIRE.
I GUESS OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO JUMP IN, ANYTHING? I THINK YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK FOR NOW. WE'LL-
>> RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CALL AND YOU LATER IF NEEDED.
>> WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME UP AND STATE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS, IF HE DOESN'T MIND.
>> MARTIN SCHILLING, 2665 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS, 76092.
CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, CONSIDERATION OF OUR APPLICATION.
AS YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IN BREVITY, SO I WILL KEEP PACE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
SOME OF THIS IS A LITTLE DUPLICATE, BUT THE LOCATION, HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
THEN WE HAVE A CHANNEL THAT COMES THROUGH A DRAINAGE CHANNEL.
CONTINENTAL AND BRUMLOW, BOTH ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE MIXED USE.
LOOK AT A COUPLE OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
THE VERY TOP IS TEALWOOD TRANSITION ZONING.
THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS HART COURT, AND THAT SP1 IS [INAUDIBLE], I THINK IS WHAT THEY CALL IT.
THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT WE GOT MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AROUND US, AND OF COURSE, WE GOT INDUSTRIAL AND MIXED USE.
TO THE EAST OF US IS THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING ZONING, WHICH IS IN TRANSITION RIGHT NOW.
THEN THIS IS MUSTANG COURT BUSINESS PARK, WHICH IS COMPLETED.
THEN THIS IS THE SERVICE CENTER.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT ALL THIS AND THE DIFFERENT USES AROUND US, WE FELT LIKE THE TZDS ZONING WAS THE BEST TOOL TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, AND WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT A FAIR PORTION OF IT SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL.
WE CAN'T GO TWO-THIRDS COMMERCIAL AND A THIRD RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT'S DEVELOPABLE IS ABOUT TWO-THIRDS RESIDENTIAL, AND WE HAVE ABOUT ONE-THIRD THAT IS COMMERCIAL.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A SIGNIFICANT DOWN-ZONING FROM WHAT WE'D BE ALLOWED TO DO.
I REALIZE IT'S ZONED AGRICULTURE TODAY, BUT IF WE CAME IN AND WANTED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND THEN PUT MIXED USE IN THERE, WE WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO BRING THAT FORWARD, AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD GET APPROVED BY THE CITY.
WE DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.
I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT LATER ABOUT THE DOWN-ZONING AND HOW IT, I THINK, POSITIVELY AFFECTS THE CITY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE LATER SLIDE HERE.
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I WANT TO TALK JUST BRIEFLY ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE.THIS WAS THE VERY FIRST PLAN THAT WE DEVELOPED.
IT WAS 94 LOTS, 2.86 LOTS TO THE ACRE.
WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE CITY STAFF, AND THEY REQUESTED THAT WE PROVIDE THEM A BUFFER BETWEEN THE SERVICE CENTER AND THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
WE LIKE THIS PLAN, BUT WE UNDERSTOOD THE MERIT OF HAVING A BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO.
WE CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN, WHICH STAFF SAID IT'S ABOUT 70,000 SQUARE FEET TOTAL.
THIS BUILDING ON THE FRONT WILL BE MORE OF A GARDEN OFFICE.
WELL, IT WILL BE A GARDEN OFFICE.
THESE BUILDINGS BACK HERE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE OFFICE FLEX.
WE SEE A HIGHER USE ON THE FRONT, PROBABLY A FANCIER ELEVATION, AND THEN IN THE BACK I WOULD SEE MORE TRADITIONAL FLEX SPACE PRODUCT.
WE TOOK THIS TO THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE AND THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE TWO PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAYS THAT WE HAD GOING TO CONTINENTAL.
THE GAP IN-BETWEEN THEM IS NOT REAL WIDE, BUT THERE WAS TALK ABOUT TURNS CONFLICTS, TRAFFIC ON CONTINENTAL.
WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO THERE.
WE CAME BACK AND DETERMINED THAT WE THOUGHT WHAT WAS BEST FOR US AND THE CITY WAS TWO ESTATE LOTS.
THE NORTH ESTATE LOT IS A PRIVATE DRIVE, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY GOING OUT TO CONTINENTAL.
THE SOUTH LOT IS SERVICED OFF A PRIVATE DRIVE OFF OF THE STREET THAT'S IN THE SUBDIVISION.
THERE WERE 11 LOTS IN THERE AND WE DROPPED IT DOWN TO TWO.
THAT ALSO KEEPS THE SEPARATION BETWEEN TWO PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAYS ON CONTINENTAL.
ANYWAY, WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A VERY GOOD SOLUTION.
YOU CAN SEE THE LOT SIZES UP THERE, 1.71 UNITS PER ACRE, AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL SECTION.
JUST ON THE OFFICE FLEX, THAT'S THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE INCLUDING THE GARDEN OFFICE OUT FRONT.
IT'S REALLY 60,000 AND SOME CHANGE.
WE'LL FIX THAT BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCIL, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE CONFUSED AND SAY IT'S 79,000 OR 80,000, IT'S ROUGHLY 70,000.
THEN THIS IS JUST AN ENLARGED PORTION OF THE SITE PLAN.
I MENTIONED THAT WE FELT THIS WAS THE BEST ZONING CATEGORY TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.
IF YOU READ THE PREAMBLE IN THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT, THIS PROPERTY HITS ALMOST PERFECT ON THE ITEMS THAT THAT ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNED FOR.
IT CAME OUT OF THE 2025 COMMITTEE.
IT WAS ONE OF THEIR INITIATIVES AND THEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY.
IT WAS FOUR PROPERTIES THAT WE HAD RESIDENTIAL AND WE HAD COMMERCIAL, AND AROUND IT, AND HOW DO WE DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY? WE THINK THAT IT'S A VERY GOOD FIT AND A GOOD USE, AND SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN EMBRACE.
LET ME JUST TALK, AT THE SPIN MEETING THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT TRAFFIC, AND WE KNOW THAT BRUMLOW AND CONTINENTAL AT PEAK TIMES THERE'S SOME CONGESTION THERE.
THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE COMMISSIONED A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS REPORT FOR THE SERVICE CENTER.
IT INCLUDED THE AREA THAT'S AROUND HERE.
IT WASN'T JUST THEIR OPERATION, IT WAS BASICALLY CONTINENTAL DOWN TO 26 AND EVEN CARS COMING OFF OF 26.
BUT WHAT THAT FINDING WAS IN THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS THAT IF THIS PROPERTY, THE 32 ACRES, DEVELOPED ALL COMMERCIAL, IT WOULD CREATE 3,886 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT I DID IS THEY HAD TRAFFIC COUNTS FOR RESIDENTIAL.
THEY HAD EVERYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF BRUMLOW AS RESIDENTIAL.
I JUST APPLIED IT TO THE 56 LOTS AND APPLIED THE SAME TRIP GENERATION FOR THE COMMERCIAL PORTION, AND WITH THAT, THAT WOULD BE A TRAFFIC COUNT OF 1,771 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY UNDER THIS DEVELOPMENT VERSUS IT WAS ALL DEVELOPED COMMERCIAL.
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IT'S LIKE A 55% REDUCTION IN THE TRAFFIC THAT WE WOULD PUT ON BRUMLOW AND CONTINENTAL.THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, SOME CITIES ARE HESITANT TO DOWN-ZONE PROPERTY, AND MAJORITY OF TIME THAT'S FOR AD VALOREM TAXES.
I USED 10 COMPARABLE BUILDINGS IN SOUTHLAKE.
THEY RANGED ANYWHERE FROM $85 A SQUARE FOOT ON CURRENT APPRAISAL DISTRICTS, AD VALOREM, AND THEN THEY WENT UP TO A LITTLE LESS THAN 300.
I AVERAGED THEM TOGETHER, IT CAME $194 A FOOT.
I MULTIPLIED THAT TIMES ALL THIS BUILT IS COMMERCIAL, AND IT'D BE $36 MILLION IN TAX SPACE.
I APPLIED THAT SAME FACTOR TO THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, AND THEN WHAT I PLUGGED IN FOR THE LOTS WAS 1,000,250.
WE THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROGRAMMED IN AT 1,000,005.
AS YOU KNOW, THE DISTRICT DOESN'T ALWAYS HIT THE TOP OF THE MARKET.
I PLUGGED THEM IN AT 1,000,250.
WITH THAT, WHEN YOU DO THAT COMBINATION, IT'S 84 MILLION TAX SPACE.
NOW, IF YOU TOOK THIS SAME PRODUCT AND TOOK IT TO, LET'S JUST SAY, RICHLAND HILLS, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT DISPARITY BECAUSE THE HOUSING WOULD NOT BE THAT VALUABLE.
BUT THE HOUSING IN SOUTHLAKE IS SO VALUABLE THAT ON THE TAX METER, IT RUNS IT UP.
I THINK THAT'S POSITIVE FOR THE CITY.
I THINK BOTH OF THOSE ARE POSITIVE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN THE TZD ZONING, IT TALKS ABOUT HAVING LIKE TWO COMPONENTS IN IT TO QUALIFY.
NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT TEALWOOD, TEALWOOD DIDN'T HAVE TWO COMPONENTS, THEY ONLY HAD ONE, BUT THE COUNCIL HAS VAST ABILITY TO MODIFY THAT.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, IT'S TRULY MIXED USE BECAUSE IT'S GOT THE RESIDENTIAL, IT'S GOT THE COMMERCIAL, AND IT'S GOT THE OPEN SPACE, AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE TZD ZONING, I GUESS, DESIRES TO HAVE.
WE THINK THAT WE HIT THOSE BUTTONS.
THEN WE'VE NEVER HAD MUCH LIFE CYCLE HOUSING IN SOUTHLAKE.
IT'S A SHAME, BUT WE'VE JUST NOT HIT EACH END OF THE LIFE CYCLE AS FAR AS HOUSING.
BUT WE THINK THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD FILL SOME OF THAT GAP.
THEN WE KNOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR STUDENTS.
OLD UNION HAS A CAPACITY FOR 91 MORE STUDENTS THAN WHAT THEY HAVE ENROLLED TODAY.
WE THINK THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD FILL SOME OF THAT GAP AND COULD HELP CISD.
THEN LASTLY, WE JUST THINK THAT IT'S TIME, OUR CITY, WE'RE INCORPORATED IN 1956.
WE'RE NOT REAL OLD, BUT IT'S TIME THAT WE TURNED THE PAGE AND SO I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME VARIETY IN HOUSING AND SOME CHOICES.
I THINK IT'S HEALTHY FOR THE CITY.
WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO STOP AND WE'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> NO. THANK YOU. YOU WERE HITTING ON A FEW OF MY QUESTIONS.
THE AD VALOREM TAX MATH IS HELPFUL AND INTUITIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT IT CAN BRING INTO OUR CITY, AND THE REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC COUNT IS INTUITIVE AS WELL.
I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I CONSTANTLY HEAR THEM SAY THEY NEED HIGHER ENROLLMENT.
HAVE THEY VOICED ANY OPINION ON THIS OR SUPPORT, OR IS THAT ANYTHING WE CAN REACH OUT AND SEE IF THEY HAVE A VIEWPOINT THEY WANT TO SHARE ON THIS?
>> INFORMALLY IN CONVERSATIONS, BUT I'VE NOT SEEN ANYTHING IN WRITING FROM THE BOARD OR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
BUT MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TRUSTEES IS THAT THEY'RE GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION.
>> THEY'RE LOSING 90-100 KIDS.
WHAT'S REALLY AND WE'LL NEVER HIT IT, BUT WE REALLY HAVE A CAPACITY FOR ABOUT 10,000 STUDENTS IN TOWN.
WE'VE ALWAYS RUN MAYBE 86, 85, WHATEVER.
WELL, WE'VE GOT MORE FACILITIES THAN WE WERE EVER GOING TO GET KIDS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO DECLINE EVERY YEAR.
>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I'VE HEARD, AND I KNOW THE SCHOOL BOARD PRESIDENT WAS IN HERE RECENTLY.
I THINK IT WAS THE FLORIDA COURT CASE.
I THINK HE SAID BASICALLY THAT AT THE PODIUM RIGHT THERE WHEN HE CAME UP TO SPEAK.
BUT I'D BE CURIOUS IF THERE'S ANYTHING LIKE THEY MIGHT SPECIFICALLY SAY ABOUT THIS ONE, BECAUSE I THINK OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD GO TOWARDS
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THAT END IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN OTHER VENUES.YOU TALKED ABOUT KIND OF CUT THROUGH IN TRAFFIC.
THAT WAS ONE THING I WAS GOING TO ASK, LIKE MAYBE WE JUST MADE IT LIKE A PART OF A MOTION.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT MIGHT SERVE A LITTLE BIT AS A TRAFFIC CALMING TYPE FEATURE WITHIN THERE.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A NUMBER OF WAYS YOU COULD GO ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF IT'S KIND OF A BIG STRAIGHTAWAY THAT AT TIMES MIGHT BE TEMPTING FOR PEOPLE TO CUT THROUGH RELATIVE TO WHAT HAPPENS AT THE BRUMLOW ROUNDABOUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ZIGZAGGING ROAD A LITTLE BIT, PUTTING A LITTLE MEDIAN IN JUST ANY KIND OF IDEAS, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE UNFOLDED.
>> THIS IS A RECLAMATION PROJECT, SO WE'RE HAVING TO KEEP ALL THAT WATER IN THERE.
AS YOU NOTICED ON ONE OF THE EARLIER PLANS WE HAD A CURVE IN THERE.
OF COURSE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DOUBLE-EDGED BECAUSE WHEN WE CURVE IT, WE CAN'T CURVE IT TOWARDS THE CREEK, WE GOT TO CURVE IT TO THE WEST AND WE DO THAT, WE TAKE SQUARE FOOTAGE OUT OF THE LOTS.
BUT I WOULD TAKE THAT AS AN ACTION ITEM AND WE HAVE A CIVIL ENGINEER HERE TONIGHT AND CURTIS AND I WOULD TAKE THAT FORWARD.
WHEN WE GO TO THE COUNCIL, WE'LL HAVE AN ANSWER AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE THINK WE CAN DO.
>> IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S EASY TO DO OR NOT.
I KNOW IT MAY BE A LITTLE HARD WITH SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS, BUT I KNOW CURTIS IS A WIZARD OUT THERE, SO I KNOW HE CAN MAYBE COME UP WITH A FEW DIFFERENT IDEAS.
I THINK YOU KIND OF TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IF I READ IT RIGHT, EVERYBODY KIND OF DRAINS INTO YOU.
>> THE DRAINAGE SIDE IT ALL KIND OF DRAINS INTO YOUR SIDE FEELS LIKE, IF I READ IT RIGHT.
>> Y'ALL HAVE HEARD SO MANY CASES.
I MIGHT BE THE OLDEST PERSON IN THE ROOM, BUT HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU HEARD, WELL, THIS DEVELOPMENT THE DRAINAGE IS GOING TO KILL ME? WELL, IN YOUR PACKET IS A DRAINAGE AREA MAP? EVERYBODY COMES TO US.
WE GET THE NORTH, WE GET THE EAST, WE GET THE WEST.
[INAUDIBLE] WELL, IT'S GOING TO GO PAST THE SERVICE CENTER BUT THEN IT GOES INTO GRAPEVINE THANKFULLY.
BUT EVERYBODY DRAINS TO US. IT'S THE DARNEDEST THING.
PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS SAY, WELL, IT'S GOING TO KILL ME ON THE DRAINAGE.
YOU CAN'T SAY THAT AS MY NEIGHBOR BECAUSE I'M GETTING YOUR WATER.
>> OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO JUMP IN?
>> I WAS WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THESE TWO ESTATE LOTS.
NOW, YOU'RE SAYING ON THAT THAT THE ONE THAT'S TO THE NORTH WILL OPEN UP ONTO CONTINENTAL?
>> THE DRIVE? THEN THESE OTHER PEOPLE WILL USE THE BRIDGE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA LIKE WHAT SIZE HOUSE DO YOU THINK THE BUILDING LOT AVAILABLE THERE FOR THAT AREA? FOR EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO LOTS?
>> I'M GOING TO GUESS IT'S GOING TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL PROBABLY 4-6 THOUSAND.
>> THEN ARE YOU PLANNING ON THIS DRAINAGE AREA WILL BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC? IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME OVER THERE AND WALK THEIR DOG OR RIDE THE BIKE OR DO WHATEVER.
>> YEAH. WE WON'T POPULATE IT WITH ANY TYPE OF EQUIPMENT BECAUSE IT WILL GET INUNDATED.
BUT OUR PLAN IS TO MAKE IT WHERE IT'S VERY USABLE WHEN IT'S NOT UNDERWATER.
>> OKAY. ARE YOU PLANNING ON DOING ANY KIND OF CONCRETE BASIN ON IT OR IS THAT PRETTY MUCH JUST GOING TO BE NATURAL FLOWING THROUGH THE GRASS AREA?
>> I DON'T THINK IT'LL HAVE A PILOT CHANNEL IN IT.
WE'VE NOT DONE THE FINAL DESIGN, BUT THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF STUDY ON IT.
I DON'T SEE A PILOT CHANNEL IN THERE.
>> MARTIN, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.
ALWAYS WELL THOUGHT THROUGH AND YOU'RE A PRO AT THIS, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND THE INFORMATION.
YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE SPENDING A TON OF MONEY ON THE CLOMR, LOMR RECLAMATION PROCESS FOR IT AND IT'S A REALLY CHALLENGING SITE.
I'M CURIOUS, WHAT'S THE NET ACREAGE THAT YOU END UP WITH OUT OF ALL THAT?
>> THE GROSS ACREAGE IS 38 ACRES.
WHAT'S THE NET FOR THE USABLE?
>> WELL, THERE'S ABOUT 13 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.
YOU GOT A COUPLE OF LITTLE ISLANDS.
OUT OF THE 32 ACRES, YOU GOT 18, 19 ACRES THAT'S DEVELOPABLE.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
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I THINK WE MAY BE GOOD FOR NOW, BUT I WILL RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CALL YOU BACK IF WE NEED YOU.ITEMS NUMBER 6 AND 7, CALLING BOTH ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING TO ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT.
PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
WE'LL HAVE A THREE MINUTE LIGHT GOING UP HERE.
JUST DO YOUR BEST TO ADHERE TO IT.
SOMETIMES WE JUST NEVER KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'LL HAVE.
[OVERLAPPING]. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> THIS IS GOOD. RYAN JACOBSON.
WE BUILT OUR HOME THERE LAST YEAR, AND WE FULLY SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE'VE BEEN TERRIFIED OF WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO BEHIND US, BECAUSE WE KNOW THE ZONING CAPABILITIES IT COULD GO INDUSTRIAL JUST LIKE IT DID IN INDUSTRIAL MUSTANG PARK.
MY ENTIRE STREET, WE ARE ALL RELIEVED.
I'M HERE SPEAKING FOR A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS.
EVERYONE'S HAPPY ABOUT THIS, THEY ALL GIVE A THUMBS UP ON IT.
ORIGINALLY WE HEARD IT WAS GOING TO BE 94 LOTS, THAT RAISED SOME EYEBROWS.
WE'RE RELIEVED AGAIN THAT IT'S DOWN TO 56. THAT'S GREAT.
WE LOVE THAT THE GREEN SPACE IS STAYING.
THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WHY WE BOUGHT OUR LOT, IS BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN AMAZING VIEW TO THE WEST.
WE GET GREAT SUNSETS ALONG THAT FARM, THE CREEK, ALL THAT.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ALL THE WILDLIFE IN THIS AREA.
THERE'S COYOTES, THERE'S ALL TYPES OF STUFF BACK THERE.
THEY NEED A PLACE TO TRAVEL FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TO NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEN THE DRAINAGE, YES, WE ALL DRAIN TO HIM.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT WE RESTRICT HIM FROM BUILDING WHAT HE'S ALLOWED TO BUILD WHILE WE'RE ALL DUMPING OUR WATER FROM HIM.
IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC, I WAS HERE FOR THE SPIN.
I PUSHED BACK ON SOME OF THE PEOPLE.
TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE FROM LIKE FIVE O'CLOCK BUT ON WOODSEY, I MIGHT SEE LIKE ONE CAR WHEN I'M OUT DRIVING, AND THAT'S 30 LOTS.
IF YOU DOUBLE THAT, YOU MIGHT SEE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE CARS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC COMPARED TO WHAT IT ALREADY IS.
DENSITY, I'M OKAY WITH THE DENSITY BECAUSE THEY'RE GIVING US ALL THE GREEN SPACE BACK AND TEMERON SET THE PRECEDENT.
WE MOVED HERE IN '92, SO I'VE SEEN THIS TOWN CHANGE QUITE A BIT.
AND THE VILLAS IN TEMERON, THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING.
THAT'S LIKE 170 LOTS THAT ARE STACKED RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY A CASE AGAINST THE DENSITY CONSIDERING HOW MUCH GREEN SPACE THEY GIVE BACK TO ALL OF US, WHICH THE PUBLIC'S GOING TO GET TO USE.
WE'RE GOING TO ENJOY WITH OUR VIEWS.
IT STINKS FROM ME THE BIG LOT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT BEHIND ME BUT I'M STILL TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH THIS BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S THE BEST USE FOR THIS SPACE.
TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I WANT TO SAY.
THE WRIGHTS, THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER.
THEY SOLD A LOT OF LAND TO THIS TOWN.
I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT THEY GET TO DEVELOP THEIR REMAINING PIECES OF LAND HOW THEY SEE FIT.
I REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO MAINTAIN THAT FARMLAND LOOK AND FEEL, BECAUSE SO MANY NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR TOWN HAS CHANGED FROM FARMLAND TO JUST MAXED OUT NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S JUST HALF ACRE AND BIGGER LOTS AND LOSES THAT FARMLAND LOOK THAT WE ONCE HAD A WHILE BACK.
THESE HOMES ARE GOING TO EASILY SELL FOR $1.5 MILLION.
ON OUR STREET ON WOODSEY, IT'S TRANSITIONAL.
A HOME IS SOLD FOR $2.2 MILLION.
THINGS ARE CHANGING IN THIS AREA AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT. THANKS YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON ITEMS 6 AND 7 THIS EVENING.
SEEING NO ONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT, SIR.
I GUESS I'D ENCOURAGE, IF YOU COULD, ASSUMING THIS MOVES THROUGH THE PROCESS, PLEASE YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE COME OUT.
VERSUS HEARING NOTHING, IT'S HELPFUL TO HEAR SOME FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF HOW THE NEIGHBORS ARE INTERPRETING IT. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT.
I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS WE CAN JUST KICK OFF OUR THOUGHTS.
MAYBE I'LL SAY I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE QUITE AS LONG AS THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST SPOKE ONLY 20 PLUS YEARS.
BUT THE DENSITY CASES ARE ALWAYS INTERESTING.
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE'RE SITTING INSIDE OF DENSITY AND YOU'LL REMEMBER THIS BARELY GOT APPROVED TOWN SQUARE.
IT WAS A CONTROVERSIAL THING AND NOW IT'S THE LINCHPIN OF OUR TOWN.
SINCE THEN WE'VE HAD BROWNSTONES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN HERE THAT WERE CONTROVERSIAL.
WE HAD A CONDO BUILDING THAT'S BEHIND US THAT WE EVEN HAD A PERSON RUN FOR COUNCIL THAT PROMISED LOTS OF TRAFFIC AND SCHOOL OVERCROWDING AND NEIGHBORHOOD VALUE DEMINITION THAT I'M STILL WAITING TO SEE HAPPEN.
WE'VE HAD OTHER SMALLER LOT DEVELOPMENTS.
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WE SAW THAT IN ONE OF THE SLIDES.I THINK DENSITY BY ITSELF IS NOT EVIL BUT IT'S WHERE IT'S AT HAS TO BE APPROPRIATE.
I THINK THE EXAMPLES I JUST LISTED OFF, IT SEEMS TO WORK WELL.
THIS SEEMS TO WORK WELL IN BETWEEN THESE USES AS THE RESIDENT DESCRIBED IT, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THAT WE'RE, MAYBE NOT TECHNICALLY DOWN ZONING IT, BUT DEFINITELY DE-INTENSIFYING THE PERMITTED USES HERE FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE.
IT SEEMS LIKE, HOPEFULLY, WE'RE GOING TO EQUAL OR WIN ON A PROPERTY VALUE BASIS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD BENEFIT, TRAFFIC WOULD BE LESS.
IT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY WELL THOUGHT OUT APPLICATION.
I GUESS I WOULD MAYBE JUST ASK THAT WE PUT IN ANY MOTION IF IT'S CONSIDERED FOR APPROVAL THE COMMENT ABOUT JUST SEEING IF THERE'S ANY TRAFFIC CALMING WE CAN DO ON THAT NORTH SOUTH STRETCH RIGHT THERE, THAT'S A LONG RUN JUST TO MAYBE DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM GOING THROUGH THERE AND MAYBE IT ADDS A LITTLE CHARACTER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A FIELD FOREVER.
IT'S A TRADE-OFF BETWEEN HAVING IT BE INDUSTRIAL, MORE INTENSE, OR BE RESIDENTIAL WITH ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I LEAN TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL.
MAYBE I'LL START OFF WITH THE TENURE HERE TO MY RIGHT.
>> YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE OPEN SPACE, THAT IS THE THING THAT DOES IT FOR ME AS FAR AS THE DENSITY BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, THEY CAN'T DO THIS FOR FREE.
GIVING UP THAT MUCH OPEN AREA AND MAKING IT AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC I THINK IS AN ASSET.
I THINK THE TRANSITION ZONE DOWN WITH THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S GOING TO BUTT UP TO THE NEW CITY SERVICE CENTER IS APPROPRIATE. I LIKE IT.
>> ANY COMMENTS DOWN THIS WAY? YOU'RE GOOD? DOCTOR FORMAN.
>> I'LL JUST ECHO WHAT BOTH OF YOU GUYS SAID.
HAVING BEEN ON P&Z FOR QUITE A WHILE.
I THINK IT'S ALL ABOUT LOCATION, AND THIS LEVEL OF DENSITY IN THIS LOCATION TO ME MAKES SENSE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A HALF ACRE LOTS OR BIGGER IN THIS AREA. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
IN MY MIND, I THINK THIS IS A BETTER PLAN OBVIOUSLY THAN THE 94 LOTS, BUT ALSO, I THINK WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO INDUSTRIAL, WHO WOULD WANT THAT THERE? THAT WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE DISASTER FOR ALL THOSE NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES.
>> THAT WAS ONE THING I FORGOT TO MENTION, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S THE SPECIFIC LOCATION THAT'S BEING REQUESTED.
I THINK AS WE'VE SHOWN, INCLUDING AT OUR LAST MEETING, WHEN IT'S IN LOCATIONS THAT WE THINK AREN'T APPROPRIATE, WE HAVEN'T BEEN HESITANT ABOUT VOTING THAT WAY. SORRY, GO AHEAD.
>> FURTHER TO THAT POINT, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S TO THE EAST, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S TO THE WEST.
EVEN IF YOU GO OVER BRUMLOW, ANOTHER BLOCK, IT'S CONSISTENT THERE.
THE LESS INTENSE USE, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF, AND WHERE CAN YOU FIND OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THE DEVELOPERS ONLY ARE GOING TO DEVELOP HALF THE ACREAGE AND THEN LEAVE THE REST GREEN SPACE.
IN REALITY, THE OPTICS OF IT LOOK LIKE IT'S A HIGHLY DENSE DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT RIGHT.
IT'S 1.7 LOTS PER ACRE, WHICH IS PRETTY FAIR AND GENEROUS AROUND THIS AREA.
I THINK WE SAY THIS ALL THE TIME BUT THE EASY TRACKS ARE GONE, SO WE'RE LEFT WITH THE HARDER STUFF.
THE HARDER STUFF WE'VE GOT TO BE WILLING TO BE MORE CREATIVE AND HELPFUL.
OTHERWISE, WE HAVE ALTERNATIVE USES LIKE FUTURE INDUSTRIAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? IF NOT, I SUPPOSE WE'LL MAYBE ENTERTAIN A MOTION WITH THAT ONE AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT CONDITION.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 6 ON OUR AGENDA, CP 24-0002 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 28, 2024, AND ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO EVALUATE TRAFFIC CALMING ON THE NORTH SOUTH STRETCH OF ROADWAY WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.
PASSES 5-0, THAT'S ON THE FIRST ONE, ITEM 6.
WE'LL VOTE ON ITEM NUMBER 7 AS WELL.
YES, SIR. I DON'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE WITH MR. KILLOUGH.
>> DO I NEED TO PUT THE SAME COMMENT IN THE SECOND MOTION AS WELL OR?
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>> OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 7 ON OUR AGENDA ZA 24-0007 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 28, 2024, ALSO SUBJECT TO OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED MARCH 28, 2024, AND ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS ANY TRAFFIC CALMING ON THE NORTH SOUTH STRETCH OF THE ROADWAY WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
CONGRATS. GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.
I GUESS ASSUMING THE APPLICANT MOVES IT ALONG AT THAT PACE, THAT WOULD BE ON TUESDAY, APRIL 16, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THAT WOULD BE THE NORMAL COURSE.
WE RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT THAT IT BE MOVED TO THE MAY 7 CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND I'LL JUST RECONFIRM WITH THE APPLICANT THAT REQUEST IS STILL ON.
>> I'M GETTING A HEAD NOD OVER THERE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE RESIDENTS HERE AND YOU CAN ASK STAFF ABOUT ANY OF THIS IF YOU WANT THE AFTER THE MEETING IN TERMS OF THE MAY 7 MEETING, THAT WILL BE THE NEXT NEXT PUBLIC HEARING MEETING.
>> I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT [INAUDIBLE].
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THE NUMBER 1 LOT [INAUDIBLE].
>> BECAUSE THEY'LL NEVER HEAR IT ON THE MICROPHONE, AND I'M ABOUT TO GAMBLE OUT THE MEETING BUT JUST LET STAFF KNOW THAT COMMENT.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN TALK TO THE APPLICANT, I THINK HE HEARD YOU.
YOU CAN BRING THAT UP AT THE MAY 7 MEETING AS WELL IN TERMS OF JUST TRYING TO GET YOUR ARMS AROUND THAT.
BUT YEAH, FEEL FREE TO KEEP FEEDBACK TO STAFF.
APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT TONIGHT.
WITH THAT, AT 7:20 PM. WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.