>> IT'S 6:00 RIGHT NOW. YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
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GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MOHAMMED IQBAL,[1. Call to Order: Video Introduction of SPIN Program by Southlake Mayor John Huffman ]
AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE ALLIANCE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMMITTEE.ONE OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS A COMMITTEE IS HOSTING SPIN TOWN HALL FORUMS. THE PURPOSE OF SPIN IS TO GAIN FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS ON DEVELOPMENT RELATED PROJECTS AND OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY.
SPIN IS AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND NO VOTES ARE TAKEN.
SPIN IS STREAMED LIVE THROUGH SOUTHLAKE TV ON THE CITY'S MAIN WEBSITE, CITYOFSOUTHLAKE.COM.
NEXT WE WILL SHOW A BRIEF VIDEO INTRODUCTION OF THE SPIN PROGRAM BY SOUTHLAKE MAYOR, JOHN HUFFMAN.
>> GOOD EVENING. I'M SOUTHLAKE MAYOR, JOHN HUFFMAN.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT'S SPIN TOWN HALL FORUM.
THE ITEMS PRESENTED AT SPIN REPRESENT IDEAS OFTEN IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
NOW WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THIS CONVERSATION STARTS HERE FIRST WITH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WITH YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPER.
THERE ARE NO VOTES TAKEN AT SPIN AND NO DECISIONS ARE MADE.
SPIN IS SIMPLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE.
ONCE THE MEETING IS OVER, BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ARE PROVIDED WITH A SPIN MEETING REPORT THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE DISCUSSION FROM TONIGHT.
WE TAKE YOUR IMPRESSIONS AND QUESTIONS INTO ACCOUNT WHEN CONSIDERING ANY ITEM THAT COMES BEFORE US FURTHER ALONG IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION TO HELPING MAKE SOUTHLAKE A BETTER PLACE. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.
>> WE DEVELOPED AN ONLINE SPIN FORM FOR RESIDENTS TO SUBMIT THEIR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING IF THEY ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND.
I WILL READ THROUGH THOSE SUBMISSIONS AFTER THE RESIDENTS AND ATTENDANTS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK.
[2. SPIN2024-07 - An applicant is proposing Dakota's Steakhouse and an event space on approximately 4.78 acres located at 479 N. Kimball Ave. within SPIN Neighborhood #4]
WITH THAT, LET US GET TO OUR APPLICANT PRESENTATION.WE HAVE MR. TIM MCENENY, IS HERE TO PRESENT OUR ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS SPIN 2024-07.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING DAKOTA'S STEAKHOUSE AND AN EVENT SPACE ON APPROXIMATELY 4.78 ACRES LOCATED AT 479 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, WITHIN SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 4.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TIM MCENENY.
I HAVE THE DISTINCT PLEASURE OF OWNING THE DAKOTA STEAKHOUSE IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS.
IT WAS RESURRECTED IN 1984, AND AFTER COVID, I HAD BEEN THERE SINCE '09, BUT MY WIFE AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THE RESTAURANT AT THAT POINT.
IT'S REALLY AN ICON IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS. MOST PEOPLE KNOW IT.
I'M NOT SURE IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE, BUT IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
THE UNIQUE FEATURE OF IT, IT'S UNDERGROUND AND THERE'S A GREAT WATERFALL FEATURE TO IT.
WE'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THE METROPLEX FROM FORT WORTH ALL THE WAY UP TO THE LEGACY AREA.
THE TOLLWAY IS TOUGH TO GET ON. WE FOUND TONIGHT.
WE CAME IN HERE TONIGHT AT FIVE O'CLOCK WHICH IS RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC COMING OVER FROM DALLAS.
WE WERE AT THE DAKOTA DOWNTOWN PRIOR TO LEAVING AND IT WAS VERY EASY TO GET OVER TO SOUTHLAKE.
I WENT TO SCHOOL AT TRINITY HIGH SCHOOL.
I LIVED IN KELLER BACK IN 1998.
I RAN HOTELS FOR 25 YEARS PRIOR TO THAT.
GOT INTO THE RESTAURANT AND BAR BUSINESS AFTER I LEFT THE HOTEL WORLD IN 2003 AND HAD MY OWN COMPANY SINCE THEN.
WE FIND THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK.
IT'S A HOMECOMING TO COME BACK TO THIS AREA BECAUSE THIS IS HOME.
I CAN REMEMBER WHEN SOUTHLAKE WASN'T HERE AND GRAPEVINE HAD THE ONE BANK UP THERE ON 114, AND THERE WERE TWO LANES RUNNING EACH WAY.
WE USED TO RIDE MOTORCYCLES AT DFW PRIOR TO BEING BUILT ON THE RUNWAYS. IT WAS CRAZY.
BUT WE'VE COME TO YOU WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY AND WANTED TO SHARE IT.
WE, BY NO MEANS, WE'RE NOT BIG CITY, WE'RE DOWN TO EARTH.
THIS IS A FAMILY-OWNED BUSINESS.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PARTNERS RIGHT HERE.
THEY'RE IN THE ROOM AND THERE'S NOT A LOT TO IT OTHER THAN WHAT WE'D LIKE TO BRING.
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WE'D LIKE TO BRING A RESTAURANT CONCEPT THAT WE KNOW IS TRIED AND TRUE.SOUTHLAKE ONLY HAS KIRBY'S AS THE ONE RESTAURANT.
YOU HAVE PERRY'S OVER IN GRAPEVINE AND YOU HAVE BOB'S OVER THERE.
CAPITAL GRILLE IS COMING AT CARROLL IN 114, I GUESS, IN ABOUT ANOTHER MONTH. BUT IT'S A CHAIN.
THE NICE PART ABOUT DAKOTA IS IT'S ONE OF A KIND.
WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT DAKOTAS, AND PUT A CATERING EVENT SPACE THERE.
NOW, WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO TO THE LAND AROUND IT AND THE NOISE AND WHATEVER? I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE PRETTY MUCH LIGHTS OUT BY 10:30 AT NIGHT.
IT'S A RESTAURANT. THE ACTIVITY THAT COMES IN, WE VALET PARK ON A BUSY NIGHT, 75, 80 CARS DOWNTOWN.
I'M GOING BY DOWNTOWN AND MIRRORING WHAT I'M JUST PUTTING AN IMAGE ON WHAT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE HERE.
FOR THE COMMUNITY, JOB FACTORS, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE 100-125 PEOPLE THAT'LL BE INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT, SO IT'LL BE NEW JOBS CREATED HERE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
IT'LL HAVE TAX DOLLARS COMING BACK TO THE CITY THROUGH FOOD AND BEVERAGE SALES AT THE SITE.
I DON'T KNOW. I THINK YOU GUYS, IF YOU'RE HERE, YOU PROBABLY HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS PRESENTATION.
I KNOW SOME PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO HAVE SEEN IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH IT AND JUST SHOW YOU.
I'VE WORKED WITH, THIS FIRM SINCE 2009.
THEY'VE HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE OF BEING AWARDED MULTIPLE CONTRACTS NOW WITH AMERICAN AIRLINES, WHICH IS FORT WORTH-BASED COMPANY.
THEY'RE DOING ALL THE ADMIRALS CLUBS NOW FOR THEM AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY'RE DOING DESIGN-WISE FOR THEIR TERMINALS.
IT'S A GREAT COMPANY UP IN CHICAGO.
HE'S PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE INSPIRATIONAL SHOTS HERE ON THE PROJECT.
AS IT STARTS OUT, A NOD TO DFW HERE BECAUSE OF OUR LOCATION AND WHERE WE ARE AND OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY THAT DOESN'T LIVE IN TEXAS THINK WE ALL RIDE ON HORSES.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND JUST THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THEN WE GET INTO THE PRESENTATION.
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS, THIS SITE PAD FOR THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE NO MORE THAN 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE RESTAURANT IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS IS 11,000 SQUARE FEET, SEATS 248 PEOPLE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN EVENT SPACE FOR WEDDINGS OR RECEPTIONS OR ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN EVENT THERE FOR UP TO 250 SEATS, HAVE PREFUNCTION AREA.
WE'LL HAVE A SEPARATE CATERING KITCHEN FOR THAT AND DO SOME OUTDOOR SPACE FOR THAT AREA ALSO.
GIVEN THAT IT'S ALMOST ON FOUR ACRES OF LAND, IT PROVIDES A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO IT.
THIS IS JUST THE BULLET POINTS ON THE ZONING AND WHATNOT, AND IT'S ALL THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY.
BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THE ONE PART THAT COUNCIL AND WE PRESENTED TO THEM, AND IT'S A BIG PART THAT I'LL DIVE DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM AND FAST TRACK IS THE PARKING WILL BE COVERED BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ENOUGH.
IT WON'T BE COVERED PARKING, BUT IT'LL BE PARKING THAT WE CAN HAVE ON SITE.
WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH SPOTS BY CODE FOR THE RESTAURANT, BUT WHAT IS IT GOING TO DO TO YOUR AREA THAT YOU LIVE IN COMING OUT ON KIMBALL? WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO IF EVERYBODY WERE TO LEAVE AT ONCE? THE LIKELIHOOD OF EVERYONE LEAVING AT ONCE IS MINIMAL, UNLESS THERE IS A CATERED EVENT OR A WEDDING OR WHATEVER, COMING OUT ONTO KIMBALL.
THE NICE PART ABOUT KIMBALL IS IT'S ALMOST REALLY THREE LANES EACH WAY.
IT'S TWO TRUE LANES, BUT ON THE TURNING LANES AND WHATNOT, YOU'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO COME OUT THERE.
BUT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO A COMPLETE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS OF THAT AREA.
WE'VE TALKED TO CITY COUNCIL AND THERE IS SOME POSSIBILITIES OF EXITING THAT PROPERTY DIFFERENTLY THAN ENTERING IT.
YOU'D ENTER ON KIMBALL, BUT YOU POSSIBLY WOULD ENTER OR EXIT OUT ONTO THE 114 ACCESS ROAD THROUGH SOME NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER.
WE'RE STILL ON INITIAL DESIGN PHASE.
I'VE HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE, OR MISFORTUNE, OF BEING A PARKING OPERATIONS MANAGER AT HOTELS IN MY EARLY PART OF MY CAREER, AND MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE A BIG COURTYARD AREA IN THE FRONT OF THIS.
WE DON'T PRESENT IT THAT WAY, BUT MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE CIRCULAR DRIVE OR WHATEVER OUT IN THE FRONT, SO CARS ARE STAGED AND CAN GET BACK ONTO KIMBALL EASILY
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INSTEAD OF COMING IN AND OUT THE DIRECTION YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE IN THIS PRESENTATION.MOVING FORWARD IN THE PRESENTATION, THIS IS A LOT WE'RE SPEAKING OF.
HERE'S THE EXISTING GAS STATION, THE SHELL IT'S HERE.
I SAY THIS LAND IS ALMOST LIKE OKLAHOMA BECAUSE IT'S GOT A SLIVER HERE AND THEN IT RUNS INTO THE BACK SIDE HERE THAT'S OWNED BY A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION CURRENTLY.
BUT THIS IS THE 3.75 OR 3.78 ACRES.
THIS IS AN INSPIRATIONAL SHOT OF THE PROPERTY AT NIGHT TO SHOW YOU HOW IT BLENDS WITH THE ENVIRONMENT.
THIS IS A STREET VIEW OFF OF KIMBALL COMING INTO THE SPOT.
THIS WOULD BE A DRIVE BACK INTO THE PROPERTY.
CLEARLY, THIS WILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WIDE ENOUGH FOR TWO CARS ONE IN AND ONE OUT COMING INTO IT.
BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE A COMPOUND COMING IN.
I'M ALL ABOUT MODERN AND DESIGN-WISE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS THING JUST BLENDS AND DISAPPEARS INTO THE LANDSCAPING, SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING SOME MONSTROSITY, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING THIS THING UP INTO THE AIR.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KEEPING IT LOW ONTO THE PROPERTY.
OUR FIRST THOUGHT IS TO GET THIS THING DOWN ON THE GROUND TO MIRROR WHAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN AND GET IT LOW.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE SIDES HERE ARE KICKED DOWN AND CLEARLY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE DOWN INTO THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS JUST SOME SHOTS OF THE INSIDE.
IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG OPEN CATERING SPACE TO BE HERE, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE ARCHITECT PUT TOGETHER ON THIS BAR.
I LIKE A RACE TRACK OF A BAR, BUT EVERYTHING'S EMPTY AROUND IT.
I THINK PERRY'S DID A GREAT JOB, AND BOB'S DID A GREAT JOB OF MAKING THEIR RESTAURANTS WARM AND COZY.
IF YOU'VE BEEN IN DAKOTA'S DOWNTOWN, YOU GO INTO THERE, AND IT'S REALLY YOU WALK BACK INTO TIME.
YOU DO WALK BACK LIKE YOU'RE INTO THE 80S AND WE'VE KEPT IT THAT WAY, AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
THIS SHOWS YOU HOW WE'RE WORKING TO BLEND THE PROPERTY AND MAKE IT REALLY DISAPPEAR INTO THE LANDSCAPING AND HAVE THE PROPERTY AT DIFFERENT LEVELS BELOW GRADE.
THE UNIQUE PART ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS, AND I'M GETTING READY TO START BUILDING ON MONDAY IN NORTH PARK, IS I NOT ONLY OWN THESE, BUT I'M THE GC AND BUILDER OF THE PROJECTS.
MY BIGGEST PART ABOUT THIS PART LOOKING RIGHT NOW IS HOW OR WHO I'M GOING TO GET TO PUT THESE BIG STEEL COLUMNS IN HERE BECAUSE THAT'S OUT OF MY WHEELHOUSE.
BUT I DO THAT BECAUSE I'M SO ANGULAR ABOUT THE DETAILS THAT GO INTO THESE PROJECTS AND WHAT NOT, AND IF I HAVE A GC ON THERE, SOMEHOW WE AGREE TO DISAGREE AND WE ALL PART WAYS DOWN THE ROAD.
FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS, I'VE BUILT ALL MY PROJECTS.
WE'RE ABOUT TO START BUILDING IN NORTH PARK RIGHT NOW.
IT'S SANTA DAKOTA'S. IT'S A PIECE OF CONCEPT THAT WE HAVE.
MOST OF OUR CONCEPTS ARE NAMED BY FAMILY MEMBERS.
I HAVE PIZZA LILA, DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
IT'S AN AWARD-WINNING PIZZA. SLOAN'S CORNER.
THEN I DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY NAMED DAKOTA, SO I RESCUED A DOG AT HOME DEPOT AND DAKOTA IS NOW IN OUR HOUSE.
SHE IS A RESCUE DOG SO WE'VE GOT DAKOTA WITH US.
HERE'S ANOTHER SHOT OF THE INSIDE.
ONCE AGAIN, THE RETAINING WALL, WHATNOT.
KEEP NOISE SOUND IN, BUT LISTEN, THIS THING ISN'T GOING TO BE ANYTHING NOISIER THAN YOU'RE USED TO AT A RESTAURANT.
WE COULD WALK OVER TO THE MICASINO HERE IN SOUTH IN YOUR TOWN SQUARE, WALK OVER TO PERRY'S OR ANY OF IT, AND YOU'RE NOT HEARING A LOT OF NOISE AND ACTIVITY OUTSIDE.
HERE'S THE PROPERTY AGAIN, SHOWS YOU THE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS ON WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING, PUTTING THINGS THAT BLEND IN WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND NATURE.
ON THE BOTTOM PART OF THIS SLIDE IS KIMBALL AVENUE.
I JUST THINK THAT DMAC, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S 100% GOING TO LOOK EXACTLY LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT,
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BUT I THINK THEY REALLY DID A GREAT JOB OF DEVELOPING THE SITE AND PUTTING SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT WAS GOING TO BE WORTHY, NOT ONLY TO COME EAT AT, BUT IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY DRAW PEOPLE TO COME LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN OF IT.THIS IS A POSSIBILITY IF WE DO TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF JUST A ONE BIG SPACE ON THE SITE.
IT'S REALLY THREE DIFFERENT SITE PLANS.
THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
I KNOW THAT'S ONLINE TOO, SO IF YOU WANT TO GRAB ON AND LOOK AT ANY OF THAT, IT'S AVAILABLE TO YOU TO LOOK ONLINE AND TAKE YOUR TIME AND ABSORB WHAT THEY PUT IN.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE SHOWN THIS TO, AND IT HASN'T BEEN, I WOULD TELL YOU, WELL, THE COUNCIL HAD TO SEE IT, SO THEY SAW IT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE AUDIENCE IN THIS ROOM IS PROBABLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE SEEN THIS DESIGN BECAUSE WE'VE REALLY KEPT IT QUIET AND HAVEN'T SHOWN IT TO PEOPLE.
I THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND ALLOWING US TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO THE COMMUNITY.
>> THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, WOULD YOU PLEASE STEP UP TO THE MIC?
>> HI THERE. I'M JENNIFER AUFRICHT AND I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD EAST OF WHERE YOU'RE PLANNING FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME AND KNOW ALL MY NEIGHBORS.
I HAVE TWO CONCERNS ON BEHALF OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONE IS COMMERCIAL CREEP AND THE SECOND IS TRAFFIC PATTERN FOR THE AREA.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS, DO YOU OR ANY OF YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS, INVESTORS, PRINCIPALS, OWN ANY OF THE LAND ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY?
>> NO. THERE ARE NO INVESTORS.
LIKE I SAID, EVERYBODY'S IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THIS PROJECT, FINANCIALLY, SO WE DO NOT.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. HAVE ANY OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS VISITED WITH YOU ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT?
>> NO, BUT WE WERE TOLD BY MR. HAGER THAT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER, THAT THE HOUSES ARE ON THE BACK IN THE EAST SIDE, PROBABLY BEHIND THE CHURCH THAT'S THERE, IS ALL HIS AND NO ONE'S LIVING ANYWHERE THAT WOULD TOUCH THE NEIGHBORING PLOT OF THIS LAND.
I HEAR YOUR CONCERN WHETHER YOU'RE A HALF MILE, QUARTER MILE, A MILE DOWN THE ROAD, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WENT DOWN ON HOW YOU GOT THE MARRIOTT HOTEL AND DISTRICT 114 AND PROBABLY THE ONE THING YOU'D PROBABLY LIKE, I KNOW MY KIDS WOULD LIKE, IS STARBUCKS IS ACROSS THE STREET SO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IS PRETTY EXTENSIVE.
THAT'S ONE REASON IF THIS WAS ALL RESIDENTIAL, I WOULDN'T EVEN BE LOOKING HERE.
BUT THE FACT THAT THEY DEVELOPED THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET GAVE A NOD TO DO SOMETHING, ESPECIALLY TO MAKE THAT SHELL STATION LOOK A LITTLE PRETTIER.
>> RIGHT. UNDERSTOOD. I THINK THE CONCERN IS THAT YOU DECIDE YOU NEED MORE PARKING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S GOING FURTHER EAST OR FURTHER NORTH AND ALL OF A SUDDEN COMMERCIAL IS CREEPING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S A CONCERN. THE SECOND ONE IS TRAFFIC.
IT CAN BE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE HAVING A WEDDING AND ALL OF THAT, AND YOU HAVE 250 GUESTS AND ALL THE CARS, AND WHATEVER.
YOU SAID THERE MAY BE A WAY TO GET OUT DIRECTLY TOWARDS 114, OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE KIMBALL.
I CAN TELL YOU LIVING IN THAT AREA, IT IS ALREADY VERY DENSE TRYING TO GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD VIA KIMBALL AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE NORTH OF THAT AREA AND WE COME OUT ON SHADY, AND IT'S JUST ROUGH TO GET OUT IN THE MORNINGS BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE TRAFFIC.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TALKED WITH THE CITY ABOUT HOW TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND I KNOW YOURS WOULD BE AT NIGHT, NOT AT RUSH HOUR, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE WEDDING'S GOING TO BREAK UP AT MIDNIGHT OR WHATEVER TIME IT IS, BUT I'LL JUST END WITH THAT AND SAY, WOULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS REALLY THE TRAFFIC PATTERN CONCERNS, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT?
>> THEY BROUGHT THAT UP IN THE MEETING, THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR BIG BULLET POINTS, TO HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE.
WELL, WE'VE ONLY GONE TO ONE MEETING WITH THEM WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS.
THAT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO AND NOW WE'RE HERE.
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BUT THERE'S A REASON WHY YOU'RE THE NUMBER ONE CITY ALL OF A SUDDEN IN THE STATE.YOU TOOK OVER PARK CITIES HERE RECENTLY.
YOU'RE THE NUMBER ONE PLACE IN TARRANT COUNTY AS FAR AS SOUTHLAKE.
IT'S A QUALITY OF LIFE AND THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE DISRUPTED.
I THINK THAT THEY ARE ALL EARS AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THE INSIDE.
I DON'T ENVISION THERE BEING A LUNCH.
I THINK IF THERE'S A BAR MITZVAH OR A WEDDING OR SOMETHING, IT COULD HAPPEN ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY, I DON'T KNOW, I PROBABLY SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS AND IT'S A GOOD POINT YOU BROUGHT UP.
I WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE GO TO THE CHURCH NEXT TO US? HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN THERE AT ONE TIME AND WHAT THAT DOES TO KIMBALL WHEN SERVICE IS LET OUT? THAT WOULD BE A GOOD POINT.
ISN'T IT FURTHER DOWN KIMBALL? WHERE'S THE BIG CHURCH HERE IN SOUTHLAKE? ISN'T IT FURTHER DOWN KIMBALL? WHAT'S THAT DO? OH, IT'S DOWN 114? OKAY.
THEY HAVE COPS AND THEY'RE DIRECTING TRAFFIC AND CHECKING ON STUFF [INAUDIBLE]
>> I WOULD TELL YOU, LOOK, I'M OLDER THAN I LOOK.
I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE FIRST GRADE.
I LEFT FOR 20 YEARS AND LIVED ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES AND RUNNING HOTELS.
THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS NOT BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND IT'S ALL HEARSAY.
I'M ONLY AS GOOD AS THE WORDS I'M SPEAKING.
IF THIS IS A MESS TO GET OUT OF, THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO COME EAT HERE ONCE. I'LL FAIL.
WE HAVE TO MAKE IT AS EASY FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THIS BUSINESS AS YOU WANT IT TO BE ALSO OR WE WON'T BE SUCCESSFUL.
PEOPLE WILL SAY, "I'M NOT GOING OVER THERE, IT'S CRAZY.
THE TRAFFIC'S TOO SCREWED UP, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND I CAN'T GET IN THERE, AND I DON'T HAVE AN HOUR TO WAIT AFTER I HAVE DINNER." THAT ALL HAS TO BE FIGURED OUT.
WE'RE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF ALL THAT.
BUT I WOULD WANT THAT TO HAPPEN FOR THE SUCCESS OF THE OPERATION, AS WELL AS THE POSITIVE FEEDBACK THAT I CAN GET FROM MY NEIGHBORS SAYING THAT YOU'RE PROUD TO HAVE THAT DOWN THE STREET BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DON'T BOTHER YOU AT ALL.
I THINK CITY COUNCIL WILL HELP US THROUGH THAT.
WE WANTED TO SEE A, IF YOU WANTED SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY.
PROBABLY, I WOULD TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IN DALLAS, OUT OF ALL THE STEAKHOUSES THAT ARE THERE, WE'RE RANKED NUMBER 3 NOW.
DAKOTAS WAS PROBABLY RANKED NUMBER 20 PRE-COVID AND THE REVENUE STREAM AND WHATNOT HAS TOTALLY CHANGED, BUT YOU HAVE NICK AND SAM'S, YOU HAVE BOB'S, AND THEN YOU HAVE US.
THEN YOU HAVE EVERYONE ELSE THAT'S BELOW.
THEY'RE A GOOD COMPANY, THEY'RE GOING TO DO A GOOD JOB. IT'S A CHAIN THOUGH.
I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, I DON'T GO EAT AT CHAINS TYPICALLY BUT I HAVE EATEN AT CAPITAL GRILLE A FEW TIMES.
I'VE BEEN TO THE PERRY'S A LOT.
I'VE BEEN TO BOB'S OVER HERE, IT'S PACKED EVERY NIGHT.
THE LAST TIME I WAS AT KIRBY'S WAS 1998, BUT I'M GOING THERE WHEN I LEAVE THIS MEETING JUST TO SEE HOW THE QUALITY OF THE FOOD IS.
I'VE LIVED IN SOUTHLAKE FOREVER.
I LIVE JUST EAST AND A LITTLE BIT NORTH IN THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA.
HOW IS THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY ZONED TODAY?
>> YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, A LONG-RANGE CHANCE OF PUTTING AN ACCESS DRIVEWAY OUT TO 114 ACCESS ROAD.
WOULD THAT BE ON THAT GAS STATION DRIVE OR WOULD THAT BE FURTHER EAST?
THE COUNCIL AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY BE INVOLVED AT THAT POINT AS WELL AS THE OWNERSHIP GROUP.
I THINK THIS IS A MEDICAL GROUP THAT OWNS THAT SLIVER IN BETWEEN THE SHELL AND THIS PROPERTY AND IT DRIFTS AROUND THE BACK SIDE.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE EVERYBODY IN TANDEM.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS HAS TRIED TO BE REZONED A NUMBER OF TIMES FOR
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DIFFERENT ASPECTS AND FOR THE PROTECTION OF PROBABLY YOU AS THE RESIDENCE AND WHATNOT, IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH.>> ONE MORE QUESTION. AT THE EAST EDGE OF YOUR PROPERTY, RIGHT NOW THERE'S RESIDENTIAL LOTS BETWEEN THAT LINE AND SHADY LANE.
IS THIS PLANNING TO TAKE ANY OF THAT OR THIS IS GOING TO BE [OVERLAPPING]?
>> NO. THIS IS PRIOR. I'M BITING OFF MORE THAN I WANT TO CHEW RIGHT NOW, THAT WE'RE GETTING FOUR ACRES.
THAT'S A BIG PLOT OF LAND THAT I THINK WILL SUFFICE.
>> WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT, THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME IN A MEETING LAST WEEK THAT THE PROPERTIES AROUND THIS LAND WERE HIS HOUSES, THAT DIFFERENT FAMILY MEMBERS HAVE LIVED IN FROM TIME-TO-TIME.
APPARENTLY, THIS LAND HAS BEEN OWNED BY THE FAMILY FOR 50 YEARS.
THEY'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE, TOO, I GUESS.
I WOULD HAVE BEEN IN LIKE EIGHTH GRADE THEN.
BUT YEAH, THERE'S SOME SENTIMENTAL VALUE TO THE LAND, TOO.
THE CART'S A LITTLE AHEAD OF THE HORSE RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE HAVING THE MEETING AND GOING THROUGH THIS, BUT WE WANTED TO TEST THE WATER ON THE LAND BECAUSE I DON'T HOLD A DEED IN MY HAND EITHER.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> WELL, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION AS A GROUP? WOULD YOU WANT A STEAKHOUSE? DO YOU THINK A STEAKHOUSE WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL IN SOUTHLAKE?
>> I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.
WHETHER FINDING ONE, IT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO RIVAL THE NASHER OR KIMBALL ART MUSEUM, OR WHATEVER, IF WE REALLY HIT THE DESIGN AT THE POINTS THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU, AND WE DON'T JUST COME BEHIND IT AND SAY, NOW WE'RE GOING TO JUST PUT A 10 UP BECAUSE THAT'S THE EXTREME.
IF WE CAN HIT THIS DESIGN ELEMENTS ON THIS, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE A SHOWCASE FOR THE CITY.
>> HEY, GOOD EVENING. I'M NATHAN MILLER, I'M IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND.
APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
I THINK A RESTAURANT, ESPECIALLY A STEAKHOUSE, WOULD DO EXTREMELY WELL.
WHAT SETS THIS APART IN MY MIND AND IS EXTREMELY DIFFERENT FROM PERRY'S OR BOB'S IS THAT IDEA OF AN EVENT SPACE.
THEY DON'T HAVE THAT. I KNOW PERRY'S AND BOB'S ARE QUITE QUIET AND THEY WILL PROBABLY TURN OUT AT 10:30 OR 11:00, BUT HAVING BEEN DRAGGED TO TOO MANY WEDDINGS IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
THEY'RE JUST DIFFERENT. I KNOW THEY WON'T ALWAYS BE WEDDINGS.
THIS IS THE KIND OF TOWN WHERE PARENTS WILL SPEND SOME MONEY ON A VENUE FOR A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR A GRADUATION PARTY OR ANYTHING REALLY.
AN EVENT SPACE IS GOING TO LIKELY HAVE A DJ AND OBVIOUSLY MORE PEOPLE.
IT WILL HAVE A DESIGNATED START TIME AND AN END TIME WHERE PEOPLE ARE INGRESSING AND EGRESSING.
I WOULD LIKE SOME MORE CLARITY I THINK WHEN THE PROPOSAL IS MADE TO COUNSEL OR TO PNZ AND THE COUNSEL, WHETHER THIS WILL BE A RESTAURANT OR WHETHER WE SHOULD, AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, BE THINKING ABOUT THE IDEA OF AN EVENT SPACE.
>> IS IT GOING TO BE A COUNTRY CLUB, BASICALLY?
>> I THINK EVEN THAT IS POSSIBLE.
>> FOR THE EVENTS BASIS IT'S IMPORTANT.
HERE'S MY EXPERIENCE AND WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT, A, WE'LL END UP PUTTING A FOOD AND BEVERAGE CERTIFICATE ON THIS ALCOHOL LICENSE THAT WILL PROHIBIT IT FROM GOING BEYOND MIDNIGHT, EVER.
IT WON'T HAVE A LATE NIGHT PERMIT.
IT DEFINITELY WOULD STOP BY THEN.
PROBABLY STOP BEFORE THEN. WE COULD PUT RESTRICTIONS ON IT.
I OPERATED THE HOTEL LUMEN FOR 10 YEARS ON HILLCREST ACROSS FROM SMU.
I WILL TELL YOU, I LIVE IN THE PARK CITIES, AND THE PARK CITY'S NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY SENSITIVE TO SOUND, AND WE HAD A LOT OF WEDDINGS ON THAT PROPERTY AND WHATNOT.
WE HAD A CURFEW ON WHEN WE HAD TO RESTRICT IT OR WHERE WE ACTUALLY DID THINGS, BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT PROPERTY IS, IT'S A HORSESHOE, OPEN AIR POOL AREA, AND A ROOFTOP DECK, AND WHATNOT AND THINGS COULD EASILY BE NOISIER THAN ANYONE WITH RESIDENCES THAT ALMOST TOUCH THE PROPERTY LINE, WHERE THIS ONE SPREAD OUT A LITTLE MORE.
THE OTHER PART ABOUT THIS, WHEREVER THE LANDOWNERS ARE,
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IT COULD BE FRONT LOADED.IT COULD BE LOADED IN THE FRONT, AND THE PARKING'S IN THE BACK, AND THAT'S GOING TO PUT AN INSULATION FACTOR BACK THERE.
THERE WILL BE LANDSCAPING AND A WALL PROBABLY ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS THING.
IT'S INCLUSIVE, BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T DO ANYTHING WITH NOISE AND A DJ, AND BAND OR WHATEVER.
YOU'RE RIGHT, I WOULD TELL YOU HAVING THROUGH THAT EXPERIENCE IN THE PARK CITIES AND RUNNING THAT HOTEL, IT WAS CONTROLLED AND BETTER, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS, LOOK AT WHO WE ARE, GO TO OUR WEBSITE, LOOK AT WHO WE ARE, WHAT WE'VE DONE, THE HISTORY AND THE PATTERN WHERE WE'VE BEEN.
I'VE DONE CRAZY RESTAURANTS AND NIGHTCLUBS.
I WORKED WITH IAN SCHRAGER FOR FIVE YEARS.
THAT'S THE GUY THAT STARTED STUDIO 54 IN CASE ANYONE DOESN'T RING THAT NAME.
I RAN HIS HOTELS, AND WE HAD LINES AROUND THE BUILDING, AND THE LIKES OF ANY CELEBRITY WAS COMING INTO HIM AND WHATNOT, AND IT ALL HAD TO BE CONTROLLED.
IF POLICE HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE FOR PARKING AND WHATNOT, SO BE IT.
IT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS, WE WOULD DO THAT.
>> BACK TO MY CONCERN ABOUT COMMERCIAL CREEP OR WHATEVER.
I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK THE DESIGN IS LOVELY.
I THINK A RESTAURANT STEAKHOUSE WILL DO WELL.
I THINK AN EVENT SPACE IS SOMETHING RESIDENTS WOULD FLIP OVER IN THE TOWN.
BUT THE PROPERTIES AROUND YOU THAT THIS SAME MR. HAGER OWNS, THEY ARE NOT FABULOUS HOMES.
YOU'VE BEEN THERE, YOU'VE SEEN IT.
>> WELL, DRIVING INTO THE PROPERTY WAS A LITTLE SCARY.
>> WHEN THIS GOES IN, THE CHANCES OF THAT BECOMING A HOME PRETTY MUCH GO DOWN TO NIL.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT LEAST, WHAT? THREE ACRES OR SO BETWEEN THE SIDES? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT? YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE NO ONE'S GOING TO GO, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GOING TO BUY K AND DAN'S OLD HOUSE AND I'M GOING TO BUILD MY FABULOUS HOME THERE, OR MY SWEET QUIET HOME THERE, BECAUSE I'M BACKING UP TO THIS EVENT SPACE OR WHATEVER.
I'D ALMOST LIKE YOU TO HAVE MORE ACREAGE AND MORE GARDEN.
TAKE THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES AND MAKE THE EVENT SPACE MORE ENCLOSED, BECAUSE I WORRY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AROUND YOU JUST GOING REALLY DOWNHILL OR THE NEXT PERSON COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL, JUST LIKE YOU'VE GOT THE STARBUCKS DOWN THERE AND THE GAS STATION, AND THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE'VE GOT THIS DEVELOPMENT, SO WE'D LIKE TO DEVELOP OVER THERE, AND IT STARTS CREEPING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S REALLY WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
IT'S NOT YOUR IDEA OR THE DESIGN PARTICULARLY, IT'S THE LOCATION AND WHAT HAPPENS AROUND GIVEN WHAT'S THERE.
>> I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD A, ON OURS GOING UNDER CONTRACT WITH THIS LAND.
BUT I WOULD WANT TO KNOW CONCLUSIVELY WHAT THE OTHER OWNERS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DOTTED LINE TO SEE WHAT THEY OWN.
I'VE BEEN TOLD THEY WRAP THIS PROPERTY TO SOME DEGREE.
MY INSTINCT AND WHAT I'VE HEARD, AND I DIDN'T HEAR THAT FROM CITY COUNCIL OR ANYBODY, IT'S JUST WHAT I'VE HEARD, IS THAT THEY WANT TO COMMERCIALLY DEVELOP THAT LAND BETWEEN THE SHELL IN THERE AND ALONG THE SERVICE ROAD HERE.
I SEE SOME IS ALREADY STARTING.
THE CREEP IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ALREADY THEY'RE BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
YOU CAN SEE NEW CONSTRUCTION A LITTLE WAYS DOWN.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE. WE NEED TO SEE THAT TOO, AND I WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT.
>> I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE A LITTLE SENSITIVE ABOUT THE CREEP.
YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE MAYBE A YEAR AGO, BUT THE LAND JUST TO THE SOUTH OF YOUR PROPOSED RESTAURANT, IS ACTUALLY THE ADDRESS IS KIMBALL, BUT IT ADJOINS A LOT THAT'S ADDRESSED TO OUR STREET, SHADY.
THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL LOT, CURRENTLY ZONED, I THINK SINGLE FAMILY, ONE-ACRE RESIDENTIAL.
THEN THAT SAME OWNER ALSO OWNS THE OLD CARPET MILL OUTLET,
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WHICH IS ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD BETWEEN THE RETAIL SPACE AND THE SHELL STATION.THE PROPOSAL WAS LIKE A BIG T, FROM FRONTAGE ROAD TO KIMBALL TO SHADY LANE.
OUR FEAR IS, OF COURSE, ONCE YOU GET THIS REZONED, THAT IT BECOMES MUCH EASIER FOR A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON KIMBALL JUST SOUTH OF YOU, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
NO ONE'S GOING TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE OR RAISE CATTLE THERE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S OWNED BY THE SAME, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S TO COME NEXT, BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, IT MAKES SENSE AND IT'S FORWARD THINKING FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S SAKE.
WE ARE GOING TO FIGHT ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON SHADY LANE FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT? IT IS BECAUSE IF I START THE FIRE, IT SPREADS.
WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN EITHER BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO RESENT ME.
THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING, THAT PROPERTY OWNER DOES, AND YOU CALLED IT A T, SO THAT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE IT.
I WAS SAYING IT WAS MORE LIKE OKLAHOMA WHERE THEY RAN AND THEN GOT A BIGGER PIECE HERE.
THEY DO HAVE THAT AND IT IS A MEDICAL GROUP IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T KNOW.
>> AGAIN, YOUR PROBLEM IS SOLVED, BUT SOMETHING I'D LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT AND UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE ALTHOUGH YOUR PROPOSED LOT DOESN'T NECESSARILY TOUCH OURS, SHADY CERTAINLY DOES.
>> I WOULD NEVER ALLOW. I WOULD TELL YOU THIS.
I'LL PUT IT IN WRITING AND DO WHATEVER.
NO ONE'S EVER GOING TO PARK DOWN THE STREET TO YOU.
I WOULD MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS TO HIT OVER THAT MARRIOTT OR HIT OVER INTO THOSE BUSINESSES AND LEASE OR HAVE A NIGHT RATE ON THERE IF WE EVER HAD OVERFLOW VALET PARKING BECAUSE OF ANYTHING.
BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT, BECAUSE THE WORLD WE LIVE IN NOW IS UBER AND ALTOS AND WHATNOT THAT PEOPLE DRIVE IN, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE AS THEY SHOULD DON'T COME OUT AND HAVE A GOOD TIME AND DRIVE.
WE DON'T WANT THAT EITHER. WE WANT THEM TO GET HOME SAFE BECAUSE THERE'S A DRAM SHOP LAW AND I'M LIABLE FOR THEM IF WE DO SOMETHING.
BUT I THINK THE CAR COUNTS ARE LESS THAN WHAT THEY WERE PRIOR TO COVID.
WE USE THAT AS A BASELINE, BUT THINGS CHANGED.
>> KAREN APPLE, AND I AM ALSO IN JENNIFER, UP IN SPIN 7, SHADY LANE SIDE.
I ADVISE YOU TO ASK THE CITY FOR ALL OF THE TRAFFIC INFORMATION.
I PERSONALLY RESPOND TO THE CITY SURVEY EVERY YEAR THAT THE KIMBALL INTERSECTION IS THE WORST.
IT TOOK ME THREE CHANGES OF THE LIGHT TO GET HERE OUT OF SHADY LANE, AND I CAN'T EVEN GET ONTO KIMBALL.
>> YOU CAME TO THE ACCESS ROAD AROUND? BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I CAME IN TO GET IN AND TURNED.
>> OFF OF SHADY LANE ONTO 114 ACCESS ROAD JUST TO COME HERE TO STAY ON THE ACCESS ROAD.
THREE CHANGES OF THE LIGHT AT KIMBALL TO GET HERE.
I CAN'T GO THE OTHER WAY TO COME OUT, BECAUSE AT RUSH HOUR, YOU CAN'T EVEN TURN LEFT ONTO KIMBALL BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WAY.
ON CHURCH DAYS, WE ARE HELD UP BY THE POLICE WHO WILL LET THE CHURCH TRAFFIC OUT BEFORE WE CAN GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOW, THE TIMING FOR YOU MAY NOT BE BAD, BUT COMING OFF OF 114, DEPENDING ON THE TIME, CAN BE VERY BAD.
I THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE ALREADY AT KIMBALL WITH TRAFFIC.
WHETHER IT AFFECTS YOU OR NOT, IN THE LONG TERM, IT WILL AFFECT US.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S TIMING OF THE LIGHTS OR WHAT.
>> BECAUSE I'LL START TALKING.
I SEE THAT BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A FIRST EXIT COMING OVER BEYOND 1709, WHICH MAKES IT NICE.
BUT OTHERWISE, YOU'RE SITTING IN THE TRAFFIC TO GET DOWN TO CARROLL FOR ANOTHER 20 MINUTES AT RUSH HOUR.
BUT YOU'RE SITTING IN TRAFFIC NO MATTER WHAT.
I THINK THE CRUTS OF OUR BUSINESS IS REALLY 6:00-10:30.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT TRAFFIC SUBSIDES.
RIGHT NOW, IF WE KEEP OUR BUSINESS MODEL THE SAME, WE'RE LIKE CHICK-FIL-A, WE'RE CLOSED ON SUNDAY.
WE'VE NEVER BEEN OPEN, ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS ARE CLOSED.
NOW IF SOMEBODY HAD AN EVENT OR WHATEVER,
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OR WANTED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT I THINK THEY LEAN MORE TOWARD A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY THAN A SUNDAY, THAT'S OUR DEAL.WE'RE CLOSED SUNDAYS, AND WE LIKE IT THAT WAY.
>> I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ONE MORE TIME.
SHE TOOK ALL THE WINDOW ON WIFE'S SAIL WITH THE ACCESS THAT YOU SHOW NOW IN THIS DRAWING.
EVERYTHING COMING OUT IS LIKELY GOING TO HAVE TO GO NORTH ON KIMBALL.
EVEN IF THEY WANT TO GO ACROSS, THEY WON'T HAVE SPACES BIG ENOUGH TO GET ACROSS ALL THE TIME.
THEY'LL HAVE TO GO UP AND MAKE A U-TURN SOMEWHERE ON KIMBALL OR TAKE ONE OF THE ROADS, HIGHLAND OR DOVE TO GO WEST OR DOVE TO GO EAST.
OTHERWISE, YOU MAKE A U-TURN AND COME BACK DOWN.
EVEN IF YOU GET ACCESS THROUGH THE GAS STATION BY THE CARPET BARN, IF THAT COMES UP IN THE FUTURE, GETTING ONTO 114 EASTBOUND TOWARDS DALLAS, YOU CAN'T GET ACROSS THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC.
I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE, BUT SOMEONE IN YOUR GROUP NEEDS TO GO DOWN THERE AND SIT AT THESE DIFFERENT PLACES ON KIMBALL AND JUST WATCH.
>> THEY WOULD DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAD TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY AT LUMEN.
>> THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS GOING TO TELL YOU THERE'S ONLY SO MANY CARS AND IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT IF YOU GET DOWN THERE AND TRY TO TURN AND COME OUT OF SHADY LANE ONTO 114 ACCESS ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE IF YOU ACCESS THROUGH THE GAS STATION OR THE CARPET BARN WOULD BE THE SAME THING.
>> WHAT ABOUT AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT? DOES IT EASE UP?
>> EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT IS PROBABLY OKAY.
>> BECAUSE THINK ABOUT IT, YOU'RE GOING TO COME IN NO MATTER WHAT, YOU GET IN THERE AT 5:00-7:00, THAT'S THROUGH OUR EXPERIENCE.
>> THE ONLY THING I'M SAYING IS YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT TRAFFIC, WHETHER YOU GET JUST ONE ACCESS OR WHETHER YOU GET ANOTHER ACCESS ON 114, IT'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT AND YOU JUST NEED TO BE AWARE OF IT BEFORE YOU INVEST IN THAT LOCATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> FEELS LIKE MOCKINGBIRD BETWEEN THE TOLLWAY AND CENTRAL.
>> THEY WANT TO PUT A TOLL ROAD THERE AT ONE POINT TO MAKE IT GO AWAY, BUT YOU SIT IN THERE FOREVER.
>> I SHOULD HAVE PREFACED MY OTHER COMMENT.
I ADMIRE THE DESIGN AND QUALITY DEVELOPMENT IS PREFERABLE TO OTHER THINGS THAT COULD GO IN THERE.
>> WE'VE BEEN AT EVERY MEETING, PROTESTING STRIP CENTERS AND HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS.
THE CONCERN, I THINK FOR MOST OF US WOULD BE WE'RE STUCK NOW.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE STUCK EVEN MORE SO. THANK YOU.
>> HI, I'M HELEN CLARY AND I'VE LIVED IN MY HOUSE 29 YEARS THIS YEAR ON SHADY LANE.
I'M REALLY CLOSE TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT AND NOT TOO FAR FROM THE CARPET BARN PLACE.
>> YOU'RE NORTH OF THAT CORNER UP THERE ON SHADY LANE, PROBABLY.
I'M A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH, LITTLE BIT.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE DRIVEN DOWN SHADY LANE, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS, WE WILL NEVER HAVE SIDEWALKS.
I WALK A LOT ON SHADY LANE AND HAVE THE WHOLE TIME I'VE LIVED THERE.
TONIGHT WHEN I WAS COMING HERE, TRAFFIC DECIDED TO CUT OFF INSTEAD OF GOING ON TO THE LIGHT BECAUSE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHT.
I STARTED HONKING. I DROVE 25 MILES AN HOUR INTO THE 30 BECAUSE I WAS JUST INCENSED THAT THEY WANTED TO JUST USE MY STREET AS A CUT-THROUGH.
THERE WERE SIX CARS BEHIND ME TOO TONIGHT ON THE WAY OVER HERE.
HAVING MORE TRAFFIC ON OUR LITTLE COUNTRY LANE, THAT SEEMS WEIRD, BUT IT'S TRUE, OUR LITTLE SHADY LANE, WOULD BE REALLY DIFFICULT.
I AM NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO ANYTHING THAT WOULD AFFECT ANY MORE TRAFFIC ON SHADY LANE. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN, I THINK IT'S LOVELY.
I HAVE EATEN AT DAKOTAS SEVERAL TIMES, NICE AND BEAUTIFUL RESTAURANT.
ANYWAY, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC.
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>> I ALWAYS SAID NOTHING CAN GO BACK THAT WAY. THAT WAS MY THOUGHT.
WOULD YOU STAY OFF SHADY LANE, DON'T GO THAT WAY, COME OUT TO THE ACCESS ROAD, OR STAY ON KIMBALL?
>> IT'S SO SHORT THAT THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM THERE.
EVEN IF YOU WENT, THERE'S NOT THAT MANY CAR LINKS, I DON'T KNOW FROM THERE.
I WAS THERE WHEN THEY BUILT 114 LIKE IT IS NOW BECAUSE IT USED TO BE THE LITTLE COUNTRY.
>> TWO LANES EACH WAY, AND I HAD TO GO MAKE HAND SIGNALS AND BLOW KISSES AND EVERYTHING TO GET OVER TO GO TURN AROUND AND GO THE OTHER WAY.
IT WAS CRAZY, BUT YES, I'VE SUFFERED THROUGH ALL THAT AND I STILL SOMETIMES HAVE TO GET OVER AND TO GO BACK OVER GOING EASTBOUND ON 114 SERVICE ROAD.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO GO TO THE LIGHT AND MAKE IT TO THE LIGHT.
THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY TO DO THAT, BUT MY CONCERN IS TRAFFIC ON SHADY LANE.
PEOPLE DRIVE TOO FAST, AND TONIGHT THEY'VE DEFINITELY SHOWED ME THAT ON THE WAY OVER HERE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE? SIR, YOU MENTIONED YOUR WEBSITE OR IS THERE A URL YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE THE RESIDENTS?
>> MY COMPANY IS NL GROUP, AND IT'S NLGROUP-DALLAS.COM.
YOU CAN GO ON THERE AND READ A BIO ON ME AND THE CHEF, AND OUR BEVERAGE DIRECTOR, AND WHATNOT.
I'LL GIVE YOU JUST A QUICK HISTORY.
WHY ARE YOU CALLING IT NL? BECAUSE WHEN I LEFT THE HOTEL INDUSTRY, MY SISTER WORKED FOR CISCO, THE HIGH TECH COMPUTER PEOPLE, AND I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE REALLY DOES.
I MET HER IN AMSTERDAM FOR A WEEKEND.
I FLEW OVER THERE FRIDAY AND CAME BACK SUNDAY LITERALLY. HOW CRAZY IS THAT? I'D NEVER BEEN OUT OF THE UNITED STATES AT THAT POINT, AS MY FIRST TRIP OUT OF THE UNITED STATES WAS IN 2002.
THE NETHERLANDS COUNTRY CODE IS NL, AND AMSTERDAM IS IN THE NETHERLANDS.
HENCE THE NETHERLANDS BECAUSE WE WERE OVER THERE DOING DUE DILIGENCE FOR RESTAURANTS AND BARS.
BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT IT, IT TELLS YOU THE HISTORY.
IN DALLAS, MY LAST HOTEL WAS HOTEL ZAZA. I OPENED THAT.
IT HAS A LOT OF RESIDENCES AROUND IT TOO AND IS IN A POCKET THERE IN UPTOWN.
BUT I WAS THE GENERAL MANAGER AND OPENED THAT HOTEL, AND THAT'S WHEN I EXITED AND STARTED NL.
THANK YOU TO ALL FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN SPIN.
REMEMBER, SPIN REPRESENTS THE FIRST STEPS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
A SPIN MEETING REPORT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE.
WE WILL INCLUDE THE SUBMITTED SPIN QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, FORMS, AND THE MEETING REPORTS.
THESE REPORTS ARE GENERAL OBSERVATIONS OF THE FORUM, THEY ARE NOT VERBATIM.
INTERESTED PARTIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO FOLLOW THE CASE THROUGH THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE APPROXIMATELY 24 HOURS AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.