May 09, 2024 Planning and Zoning Commission

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EXCELLENT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

[1. Call to Order]

HERE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CITY HALL.

IT'S MAY 9TH, 2024.

THIS, THE CITY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

MY NAME IS DAN KUBIAK.

I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMISSION, AND WE WELCOME YOU HERE TO THE CHAMBER.

WE'LL HAVE A FAIRLY ABBREVIATED AGENDA THIS EVENING.

PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, FOLLOWED BY, HOPEFULLY, A QUICK SIGN BOARD MEETING.

SO, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LAUNCH INTO THE AGENDA AS PROVIDED THIS EVENING.

TAKING EVERYTHING IN ORDER.

[3. Administrative Comments. ]

SO, I'D LIKE FOR STAFF TO PLEASE TAKE THE HELM HERE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS TWO, TWO FRIDAYS AGO ARE OUR ESTEEMED COMMISSIONER SPRINGER WAS HONORED BY THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION'S TEXAS MIDWEST CHAPTER AS THE CHAPTER'S 2024 PLANNING ADVOCATE AWARD WINNER.

AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, COMMISSIONER SPRINGER HAS SERVED ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SINCE, I BELIEVE, AUGUST OF 2023 AND IS APPROACHING HIS.

OR AUGUST OF 20, 2003.

I'M SORRY, I CAN'T EVEN GET THE NUMBER RIGHT.

IT'S SO FAR BACK.

AND AS APPROACHING HIS 21ST YEAR AS AS ONE OF OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS IN THE COURSE OF HIS WORK ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DURING THAT PERIOD, HE ALSO SERVED ON OUR 2025 COMMITTEE.

HE'S ALSO SERVED A NUMBER OF YEARS WITH THE CORRIDOR PLANNING COMMITTEE AND FOR HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THE GREAT PLANNING OF SOUTHLAKE THE TEXAS CHAPTER OF AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION MIDWEST CHAPTER, SPECIFICALLY GAVE HIM HONORS FOR ADVOCACY OF GREAT PLANNING IN OUR REGION.

HERE'S SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF COMMISSIONER SPRINGER AND HIS LOVELY WIFE.

AND YOU MAY RECOGNIZE THE GENTLEMAN IN THE MIDDLE.

HE, I THINK, WORKED 9 OR 10 YEARS HERE WITH SOUTHLAKE IS NOW THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING FOR NORTH RICHLAND HILLS AND ALSO THE DIRECTOR OF OUR MIDWEST CHAPTER.

THIS IS CLAYTON COMSTOCK WITH COMMISSIONER SPRINGER HERE.

HE ACTUALLY STARTED HIS CAREER HERE WITH SOUTHLAKE.

SO. AND TO THE RIGHT IS COMMISSIONER SPRINGER AND OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, JENNY CROSBY, WHO WAS PRESENT WITH HIM AT THE AWARD RECEPTION.

SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, COMMISSIONER SPRINGER.

WE APPRECIATE YOU.

WELL, I. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE WITH THIS GROUP.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF HERE IS AMAZING.

SO, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET ANYTHING DONE WITHOUT THEM.

AND I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

AND I APPRECIATE THIS OFFER.

IT WAS QUITE A SURPRISE AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. NO THANK YOU.

WE ALREADY ROASTED YOU, I GUESS, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

THANKING YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

BUT WE CAN ALWAYS ROAST YOU AGAIN REAL QUICK.

IT'S A CONTINUING SOIREE.

THAT IS TRUE. NO, BUT IN ALL IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, NO.

WE APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME AND COUNTLESS HOURS.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VOLUNTEER POSITION, AND OFTEN YOU END UP UP HERE SOMETIMES ON, YOU KNOW, FAMILY BIRTHDAYS OR ANNIVERSARIES OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER DAYS AND SOMETIMES LONG NIGHTS.

AND SO, I MEAN, I JUST AS SOMEBODY WHO'S, I GUESS ONLY BEEN ON HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, 10 OR 12 YEARS OR WHATEVER IT IS I APPRECIATE THE CONTINUITY, THE STABILITY, THE ABILITY TO HELP US REMEMBER PRECEDENT AND HOW WE'VE BEEN CONSISTENTLY TREATING CERTAIN THINGS.

IT HELPS PRODUCE A BETTER OUTCOME, I THINK, FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED.

SO MANY THANKS FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE.

AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO ROAST YOU HOPEFULLY FOR, FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.

THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT.

OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS OR YOU WANT TO SAVE THEM FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING.

MAYBE WHENEVER WE HAVE A SIGN BOARD.

NOW, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[4. Chairman Comments. ]

JUST WANT TO LET THE GALLERY KNOW THE WAY THIS WORKS IS WE'LL HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION, WE'LL CALL THE APPLICANT UP TO PRESENT, AND MAYBE JUST REALLY JUST HONESTLY ANSWER PROBABLY A FEW QUESTIONS IN THIS CASE.

THEN WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO DISCUSS A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNCIL.

SO PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.

SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN KIND OF KEEP THINGS MOVING FORWARD.

SO, WITH THAT, WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

[5. Consider: Approval of the minutes for the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on April 18, 2024. ]

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ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THOSE NOTES BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE, PLEASE.

AND PASSES SIX ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FINAL ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER SIX, A ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR LAMBERT HOME HEADQUARTERS.

[6. Consider: ZA24-0009, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Lambert Home Headquarters, on property described as Tract 6C, Thomas M. Hood Survey Abstract 705, and Lot 31, Block 1, Parkway Office Center Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 1700 N. White Chapel Blvd. and 190 W. SH 114, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. Requested Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #3. PUBLIC HEARING (This item was administratively tabled at the April 18, 2024 Planning & Zoning Commission Meeting.) ]

MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION.

THIS REQUEST IS A ZONING CHANGE AND A SITE PLAN FOR LAMBERT HOMES HEADQUARTERS, WHICH IS TO BE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY DESCRIBED HERE.

GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH WHITECHAPEL BOULEVARD AND WEST STATE HIGHWAY 114.

THE REQUEST IS FOR SP TWO GENERAL SITE PLAN DISTRICT ZONING WITH C2 LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT ZONING USES WITH THE LIMITATION OF NO DRIVE-THRU RESTAURANT.

THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED REQUEST.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS SP ONE.

DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT WITH ONE OFFICE DISTRICT USES.

FUTURE LAND USE CALLS FOR MIXED USE ON BOTH THIS SITE AND SURROUNDING SITES.

THESE ARE SITE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN OUTLINED IN RED, OR SOME OF THE MORE SUBSTANTIAL REQUESTS THAT GENERALLY ALIGN WITH DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION AS THE OVERALL SITE OR GENERAL AREA DEVELOPS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE PART OF A LARGER SITE, INCLUDING THE SHIVERS TRACK TO THE NORTH AND CONTINUING ALL THE WAY NORTH TO DOVE ROAD.

OF COURSE, THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS ON THIS FAR SOUTH PORTION.

HAPPY TO PUT THIS UP AT ANY POINT IN TIME YOU'D LIKE TO READ THROUGH THESE OR CONSIDER THESE.

I WON'T LIST THEM ONE BY ONE.

THIS IS THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND A RENDERING OF THE BUILDING THAT IS CURRENTLY.

ZONED FOR THIS PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

AGAIN, IT IS A SP1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT.

MORE THAN 40,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH A PARKING GARAGE WAS PROPOSED FOR THE SITE IN 2018 AND APPROVED.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR THIS REQUEST.

WE HAVE A NEW OFFICE, RETAIL AND CAFE BUILDING CONSISTING OF A PHASE ONE APPROXIMATELY 12,000FT², WHICH IS THIS LARGER BUILDING ON THE WEST.

THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OFFICE AND VERY LIGHT RETAIL USES ARE ON THE WEST WOULD REMAIN AS EXISTING TODAY, WITH NEW DRIVEWAYS SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY INCLUDING SOME NEW CROSS ACCESS POINTS FOR FUTURE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. THERE'S A LITTLE ZOOMED IN VIEW OF THE SITE PLAN.

THE PHASE TWO BUILDING THIS NORTHERN BUILDING IS CONSIDERED CONCEPTUAL AT THIS TIME.

THERE'S NO FORMAL REQUEST FOR A BUILDING AT THAT LOCATION AT THIS TIME.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN THE FUTURE WITH A NEW SITE PLAN.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR THE SITE.

THEY'RE REQUESTING C-2 LOCAL RETAIL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT USES.

THE PROPERTY DID AT ONE TIME HAVE THESE USES.

OF COURSE IT'S CURRENTLY HAVING ONE USES ON IT.

PARKING IS PROPOSED TO BE ONE PER 200FT² OF SPACE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE PROPOSED USES.

NO BUFFER YARDS IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, JUST DUE TO ITS EXISTING CONDITION AND NO SCREENING DEVICE.

AS THE NORTH PROPERTY, IT DOES HAVE A RESIDENCE OR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THERE NOW, BUT CONSIDERING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS LIKELY IMPENDING REQUESTING NOT TO PROVIDE THAT A REDUCED SETBACK FOR TRASH ENCLOSURE, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN TREE COVER.

CONSIDERING THERE ARE VERY FEW TREES ON THE LOT AS IT EXISTS, THERE WOULD BE A VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS ON THE EXISTING PROPERTY ON THE WESTERN PORTION, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A.

SLIGHT REDUCTION IN THE STACKING DEPTH.

THIS IS THE COLOR RENDERING OF THE SITE, WITH THE SHADE TREES AND ORNAMENTAL TREES, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE LAYOUT.

HERE ARE THE BLACK AND WHITE STANDARD ELEVATIONS.

HOWEVER, THE APPLICANTS PROVIDED SOME RENDERING FORM OF ELEVATIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

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STATE HIGHWAY 114.

THIS IS AN ELEVATION FACING NORTH WHITECHAPEL BOULEVARD.

HERE WE HAVE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER KIND OF A REAR FACING ELEVATION.

AGAIN, THESE ARE OF THE PRIMARY BUILDING, THE PHASE ONE OF THE COURTYARD AT THE REAR.

AND THEN THESE ARE JUST SOME CHARACTER ELEVATIONS KIND OF SHOWING THE CONCEPTUAL SECOND PHASE THAT THE APPLICANTS WORKING THROUGH.

AND AGAIN, AT A FUTURE TIME, IF THIS ZONING CASE WERE APPROVED, THEY WOULD COME BACK FOR A SEPARATE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

AT THIS TIME.

THESE ARE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSE NOTIFICATION BUFFER.

AT THIS TIME, RATHER, THERE HAVE BEEN NO RESPONSES RECEIVED FROM ANY SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.

I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH A LOT OF SUPPORT I CAN SEE.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE OF ME.

REAGAN, CAN YOU PUT THE SITE-SPECIFIC USES UP THERE REAL QUICK? SURE. BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THEM, IF I HAD IT IN A REPORT.

RIGHT. OH, YEAH.

YEAH, ON THE RIGHT SIDE. I'M SORRY.

IT'S NOT. YEAH. BASICALLY, SCREENING THE SURFACE PARKING, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE OR TRIED TO DO, AT LEAST WITH THE.

YES, SIR. THE SITES.

YEAH. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE GENERALLY THEY WERE TRYING TO FOLLOW THOSE USES AND THEN JUST CONFIRMING A FEW THINGS REAL QUICK.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE SITE HAS MULTIPLE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS IN PLACE PROBABLY PER CITY RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO, I THINK WE'RE COVERED THERE.

YES, SIR. AND THE PARKING CALCULATIONS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IF ASSUMING THE SECOND PHASE IS DEVELOPED.

SO WE'VE KIND OF GOT THAT COVERED.

THE ONLY OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, NOT TO KIND OF RAIN ON THE PARADE HERE, BUT EVERY APPLICANT THAT COMES IN FRONT OF US BELIEVES THAT THEY WILL OCCUPY EVERY BUILDING FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY, BUT OFTEN THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

SO, CAN YOU JUST RELAY FOR US JUST OTHER JUST PERMITTED USES? ONCE THIS PHYSICAL BUILDING IS THERE, JUST THE TYPES OF USES THAT CAN OCCUR IN THERE? I GUESS IT SOUNDS LIKE RESTAURANTS CAN BE ONE OF THEM.

YES, SIR. JUST TO GIVE A.

YEAH. C-2 ZONING USES BRIEF OVERVIEW.

YEAH. THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING INTERESTING TO INCLUDE IN A FEW, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING IT MAKES ITS WAY TO COUNCIL JUST TO MAKE SURE WE MEMORIALIZE THE OTHER TYPES OF USES THAT COULD BE DONE HERE. SURE.

YES. SO, C-2 CUMULATIVELY INCLUDES A ONE OFFICE DISTRICT AND C-1.

SO, THE VARIOUS OFFICE DISTRICT USES THAT ARE PERMITTED, WHICH COULD BE SOME LIGHTER MEDICAL USES LAW OFFICES, JUST GENERAL OFFICE USES. AND THEN IN C-2.

YES. RESTAURANTS, OF COURSE.

THEY ARE PROPOSING A RESTAURANT, A CAFE FOR THE SITE.

SOME LIGHTER RETAIL USES, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE BAKERIES, BOOKSTORES CLEANING AND DRY CLEANER.

AND JUST TO REMIND ME, I GUESS DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THESE USES? IT. THIS IS A STRAIGHT ZONING, SO NOT A THIS IS IT SAYS ZONING.

SO OKAY. SO, WE SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT IS LATITUDE AND WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON WHAT I WOULD LIMITING USES THAT THEY DON'T THINK WOULD BE FEASIBLE. SCROLL BACK UP.

REAGAN. AND MAYBE NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT UP TO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I MAKE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WE NEED TO MAYBE LEGISLATE THIS NOW, BUT MAYBE ASSUMING IT'S SUCCESSFUL TO MOVE ON, MAYBE THE THINGS WE'D RECOMMEND IS THAT THE APPLICANT GO THROUGH IT, MAYBE WITH STAFF AND BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, MAYBE PROPOSE TO ELIMINATE.

YOU KNOW, A FEW USES.

I MEAN, I'M JUST TALKING OUT LOUD, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS COMES FROM IS THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY PROMINENT CORNER HERE IN TOWN, VERY VISIBLE.

SO, I MEAN, SOME OF THE USES, LIKE, YOU KNOW, CIGAR OR LAUNDROMAT OR DRY CLEANING, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT AT THIS CORNER. SO, NOT SCREWING IT DOWN OVERLY TIGHT, BUT JUST TRYING TO ROUGH SOME, SOME OF THE ROUGH EDGES OFF OF IT.

IF THAT'S OKAY, MAYBE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS JUST TO LET THEM TAKE A STAB AT IT FOR COUNCIL, BECAUSE I'M SURE COUNCIL WILL.

DIG INTO THAT AS WELL.

I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO HIT ON.

A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNFAIR QUESTION.

REAGAN. THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE SAW HOWEVER LONG AGO BEHIND THIS, THE LARGE ONE IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE BUILDING HEIGHT ON ALL OF THOSE, THERE WAS NOTHING MORE THAN TWO STORIES, RIGHT? THE FOR THE CORRIDOR PLANNING COMMITTEE.

YEAH. FOR THE FOR THE NAME OF IT AGAIN.

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THEY HAD VARIOUS USES SHOWN THERE.

THERE WERE THERE WAS PROPOSED TO BE A HOTEL THAT MAY HAVE BEEN MULTI-STORY.

THREE. THERE WAS A PROPOSED OFFICE BUILDING THAT WAS LIKELY MULTI-STORY.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN THREE, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING ANY TALLER THAN THAT.

FROM WHAT I RECALL, THERE WERE MOSTLY GENERALLY TWO STORY OR SINGLE-STORY RETAIL.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

JUST GO AHEAD AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP IF YOU'D LIKE.

NAME AND ADDRESS. FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED A FULL PRESENTATION.

I THINK MAYBE JUST Q&A IS FINE, IF THAT'S GOOD WITH YOU.

OKAY. OKAY.

I'M THE APPLICANT ON BEHALF OF LAMBERT HOME AND BRIAN.

I'M THE ARCHITECT, JACOB SCOGGINS, WITH ARCHITECTURE UNDERGROUND.

AND SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE HAVE.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

OH, JACOB SCOGGINS, MY ADDRESS IS 6406 REDSTONE DRIVE IN ARLINGTON.

THEY MAKE SURE I DO THAT EVERY TIME.

OKAY. GOTCHA. ALL GOOD.

WE HAVE A PRESENTATION. HAPPY TO GO THROUGH IT.

BUT IF IT'S JUST Q AND A, THAT'S FINE TOO.

MAYBE WE JUST I THINK WE HAD PRETTY GOOD STAFF PRESENTATION.

I MEAN, I GUESS UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT TO GO THROUGH IT OR ONE THING I'D LIKE TO ASK IS WHERE THE CONCEPTUAL BUILDING IS GOING TO BE THE ONE BEHIND IT.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO FINISH WHERE THAT SPACE, WHERE IT WILL THAT BUILDING WOULD OCCUPY? ARE YOU GOING TO WOULD THAT BE SORTED? WOULD IT BE PAVED? YES, SIR. SO, PHASE ONE WOULD BE THE ENTIRE SITE.

AND THEN THE PHASE ONE BUILDING, WHICH IS THAT SORT OF SOUTHEAST CORNER BUILDING, PHASE ONE WOULD BE THE PAD AND SIDE.

I THINK IN THE LANDSCAPE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, IT SAYS DECOMPOSED GRANITE, WHICH IS PART OF THE COURTYARD DESIGN.

BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT SOD JUST BECAUSE WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE, BUT IT'LL BE FINISHED OUT IN SOME KIND OF LANDSCAPING MATERIAL.

OKAY. AND BUT ALL THE PARKING WILL GO IN IN THE PHASE ONE.

YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU.

DID Y'ALL CONSIDER ANY OTHER LOCATIONS IN SOUTHLAKE? SO ORIGINALLY, THEY LOOKED AT THIS SITE MAYBE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND THEN THEY LOOKED AT SOME OTHER ONES.

BUT THIS ONE REALLY IS THE BEST FIT FOR THEM.

AND BEING NEXT TO THE CAROLINE PARK DEVELOPMENT, SOME OF THE USES THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE VERY IDENTICAL IN NATURE TO SOME OF THE SMALLER BUILDINGS FOR CAROLINE PARK, SO IT SEEMED LIKE A GREAT FIT. AND THIS IS REALLY WHAT'S ON THEIR HEART AND IN THEIR VISION FOR WHO THEY ARE.

SO, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE ELSE YOU WOULD HAVE LOOKED BECAUSE I THINK IT LOOKS AWESOME.

YOU GUYS DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.

I LIKE THE CONCEPT. I LIKE THE IDEA; I LIKE THE STORY BEHIND IT.

JUST THE UNEASINESS IS THE LOCATION JUST BEING THAT CORNER.

SO, I'M TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF IN YOUR, IN YOUR PLANNING OF THIS AND YOUR CONCEPT KIND OF WHAT OTHER OPTIONS DID YOU LOOK AT IN TERMS OF LOCATION? I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT FIT IN THE CITY.

YEAH. I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY THE LOCATIONS.

I KNOW THAT THEY DID KIND OF LOOK AT VARIOUS OPTIONS.

BUT I MEAN, SPEAKING TO THE SORT OF THE ADJACENCY TO CAROLINE PARK, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MASSING OF SOME OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ON LESS THE HOTEL AND THE BIG RIGHT PARKING GARAGE AND MULTIFAMILY THING, I THINK IS WHAT IT IS.

THIS IS VERY SIMILAR IN MASSING AND IN JUST USE OVERALL TO CAROLINE PARK.

AND AS YOU KIND OF GO UP HIGHWAY 114, SOME OF THE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED AT THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY MEETING, I THINK ARE SIMILAR IN SIZE AND SCALE, NOT ALL OF THE LOCATIONS ON THE SHIVERS TRACK, BUT THEN AS YOU CONTINUE TO GO UP TO DOVE LANE, THERE'S ALSO SOME PROPOSED SIMILAR USES THERE.

SO, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT RIBBON ALONG HIGHWAY 114, I THINK IT'S A VERY IT SEEMED TO US TO BE A VERY GOOD FIT FOR WHAT THAT IS.

THE OTHER THING IS, AND I THINK THE CHAIRMAN BROUGHT THIS UP DURING THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY MEETING, IS WHAT THE USE ON THAT CORNER LOT IS GOING TO BE.

OUR OWNERS DID MAKE A FULL OFFER VALUE ON THAT CORNER LOT TO SEE IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING MORE COMPREHENSIVE.

AND THERE WAS, THERE WEREN'T RECEPTIVE TO THAT.

I THINK THAT PARTICULAR OWNER, I THINK, IS LOOKING FOR A LONG-TERM LAND LEASE DEAL, AND THAT IS JUST STRAIGHT C2 ZONING FOR WHAT IT IS.

SO JUST IN GENERAL, THAT CORNER IS REALLY SPEAKING TO C2 IN THE CURRENT ZONING.

SO, IT FELT LIKE A GOOD USE FOR WHAT WE WERE DOING.

AND THIS THIS IS THE VIEW HERE ON THE SCREEN THAT WILL BE FACING 114.

YEAH. SO, THE ENTRY IS ACTUALLY ON THE NORTH BECAUSE IF YOU COULD ON THE SITE PLAN YOU COULD NOTICE THAT THERE'S WITH THAT CORNER TRACK BEING THERE, WE BROUGHT THE TRAFFIC REALLY COMES FROM THE NORTHEAST WHICH IS THE SHARED DRIVE ACROSS FROM CAROLINE PARK.

BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE SITE REALLY WAS TO SCREEN THE NOISE AND THE VIEW OF HIGHWAY 114 AND TO CREATE AN EXPERIENCE AS YOU COME IN.

THAT'S WHY THAT COURTYARD, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL SPENT ON THAT.

BUT WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING FOR SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T LOOK NICE FROM HIGHWAY 114.

YEAH, THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY COMMENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO INCLUDE IT IN A MOTION OR NOT, BUT JUST MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, NOTHING INCLUDED ON THE NORTH OR SORRY, SOUTH FACING SIDE OF THIS

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SO, WE'RE EXTREMELY FAR IN THE DESIGN PHASE.

I MEAN, IT'S I'M WAITING FOR A COUPLE OF ELECTRICAL SHEETS, AND THEN WE'RE DONE.

AND WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE.

BUT BETWEEN THIS MASSING HERE AND THAT MASSING, THERE'S A FLAT ROOF COMPONENT WHERE WE HAVE HVAC UNITS THAT ARE HIDDEN.

AND THEN BEHIND THIS TALL ROOF HERE, THERE'S ANOTHER ROOF PIT ON THE FLIP SIDE, AND THAT'S WHERE ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT WILL BE.

SO, WE'RE COMPLETELY ON BOARD WITH THAT.

YES, SIR. PERFECT. OKAY.

I DON'T WANT TO CREATE MORE WORK.

IT'D PROBABLY BE FOR STAFF.

BUT IF THIS GOES FORWARD, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO TAKE WHAT THEY'VE KIND OF LAID OUT HERE AND THEN PUT WHAT YOU CALL IT, DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN BEHIND IT, KIND OF OVERLAY THOSE TOGETHER SO THAT CITY COUNCIL COULD KIND OF SEE HOW ALL THIS FITS TOGETHER.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SURE. YES.

YEAH, I ACTUALLY ALMOST DID THAT LAST NIGHT, BUT I DIDN'T DO IT.

WE DID IT WITH CAROLINE PARK, BUT I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING THAT THAT SITE PLAN FROM THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY MEETING.

BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.

THANK YOU. SURE. THEY'RE KIND OF CONSENSUAL TOGETHER.

YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S AGAIN, I THINK IT'S AWESOME.

IT LOOKS GREAT. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE CARE YOU'VE TAKEN WITH RESPECT TO THE FACING OF.

YEAH. OFF 114.

YEAH. SO, WE DID THIS OVERLAY WITH CAROLINE PARK.

WE CAN DO THE EXACT SAME THING WITH THE SHIVERS' TRACT.

JUST TO SHOW THE MASSING.

BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE, YOU KNOW, ON THE CAROLINE PARK, THERE'S THE HOTEL AND THEN THE LARGE BUILDING.

BUT ALL THESE OTHER BUILDINGS HERE ARE IDENTICAL IN USE TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING BY THEIR MASTER PLAN.

AND THE SIZE IS JUST ABOUT THE SAME, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER, BUT WE'RE RIGHT THERE IN THAT SAME MASSING STUDY AS IS WHAT CAROLINE HAS.

AND THEN AGAIN, WE CAN DO THAT OVERLAY BACK HERE.

IT'S NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

IT MAY NOT STICK OUT AS MUCH AS IT DOES NOW.

AND WHEN I SAY IT STICKS OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB, I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A BAD WAY, BUT WHEN YOU PUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT, IT MAY KIND OF HELP SELL WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US YOUR DESIGN WAS.

AND SO, SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.

YEAH, DEFINITELY. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL.

YEAH. NO, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NOT A NEGATIVE.

IT'S JUST ANYTIME YOU HAVE A VERY PROMINENT CORNER IN TOWN THAT IS KIND OF DEVELOPED IN PATCHWORK.

YEAH. NOT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT TO WHERE IT ALL HAS A COHESIVE.

YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AND FEEL TO IT, WHICH WE GET IT.

SOMETIMES THERE'S SEPARATE OWNERS AND THEY DON'T WANT TO SELL.

AND SO, IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS.

BUT WE WOULD LOVE THE CORNER.

IT'S JUST NOT AN OPTION FOR US.

THIS ON THIS TRACT UP HERE, THOUGH, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A MASTER PLAN FOR THAT TO BE ABLE TO.

THERE'S APPROVED ZONING FOR IT, BUT IT'S KIND OF BIFURCATED INTO THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS ALREADY BUILT.

AND THERE'S THIS PARK KIND OF DETENTION AREA, BUT THIS IS JUST LEFT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

SO, THERE'S NOTHING TO OVERLAY THERE.

BUT. YEAH. YEAH, IF I DO THAT.

AND DID IT MAKE SENSE WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT THE USES? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OBJECTION WITH THAT.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN TAKE YOUR BEST GUESS AND, AND I THINK COUNCIL WILL PROBABLY GO THROUGH IT MAYBE MIGHT HAVE A SUGGESTION OR TWO.

I MEAN, USE COMMON SENSE IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF USES YOU THINK COUNCIL MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO SEE ON THAT CORNER KIND OF DOWN THE ROAD JUST BY.

RIGHT? YEAH.

WE KIND OF ALREADY WENT THROUGH THAT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE PROPOSED THE NO DRIVE THRU.

YEAH. RESTAURANTS AND THEY MIGHT GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED.

YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. THAT'S NO PROBLEM OKAY.

NO PROBLEM AT ALL OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

YOU KNOW A COUPLE JUST A COMMENT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.

AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU MENTIONED SORT OF SEEING THAT BACK TRACK FOR THE SHIVERS.

WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING AND NICE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS WHEN YOU'RE GOING OVER 114, THE CORNER AT WHITECHAPEL, AND 114 IS ACTUALLY THE LOW SPOT.

SO, IT KIND OF RAISES UP.

AND I THINK WHAT'S NICE ABOUT OUR BUILDING IS IT'S SUBSTANTIAL IN ITSELF, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BLOCK VIEWS TO THE NORTH TO BE ABLE TO SEE ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS WHERE MAYBE A MORE SUBSTANTIAL FOUR STORY HOTEL, LIKE WHAT'S AT CAROLINE PARK, SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THAT CORNER I THINK WOULD BE LESS NICE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH, BECAUSE THEN YOU BECOME THE, YOU KNOW, I'M THE BUILDING BEHIND THE BUILDING VERSUS YOU CAN SEE ME FROM THE HIGHWAY.

SO, THERE'S SOME NICE THINGS ABOUT THE PROPERTY THAT IN JUST, ARE BECAUSE OF THE NATURAL GRADE OF THE LOT.

IN FACT, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF KICKED DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON OUR NORTH PROPERTY LINE.

THERE'S A LARGE TRANSMISSION LINE OR THERE'S SOME OVERHEAD POWER LINES WHICH YOU BROUGHT UP LAST TIME.

AND SO, IT JUST WORKS, I THINK.

YEAH. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE STRUGGLES IS FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE GETTING OLD AND HAVE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION FOR SO LONG WHICH INCLUDES THREE OF US, ANYWAY, ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE WITH DOCTOR SPRINGER ADD UP OUR TENURES AND THEY GET TO HIT.

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SO, WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS IS CORPORATE CAMPUSES, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

TD AMERITRADE.

AND SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A SHIFT.

BUT YOU KNOW AS YOU'RE SITTING HERE TALKING THROUGH THIS AND WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT HOW TO MAYBE PUT THE OVERLAY ON THERE, I'M ALMOST WONDERING AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING YOU ADDRESS THE OFFICE BUILDING THAT WE SAW EARLIER, PROBABLY, TO USE A BAD PHRASE, STICKS OUT EVEN WORSE AS A SORE THUMB GIVEN THE DEVELOPMENT BEHIND IT THAN WHAT THIS WOULD, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS MORE CONSISTENT THAN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED, BECAUSE ALL THE OFFICE BUILDINGS WE HAVE NOW IN THE WEST END AND THE TWO GRANITE BUILDINGS, THE DELTA, THOSE ARE ALL CONSISTENT, BUT THEY'RE ALL KIND OF IN THAT GENERAL AREA.

AND SO, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THERE THAN WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED.

BUT I'M COMING AROUND TO THE IDEA IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

SO, I THINK MAYBE SELL IT.

YEAH. THAT WAY BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU HAVE A WHAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS THERE BEFORE APPROVED IN 2018.

OFFICE. YEAH. FOUR STORIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH. THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO LOOK REALLY BAD.

YEAH. WITH THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH. SO, WE STUDIED THIS IN GREAT DETAIL BECAUSE ON THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY, I BELIEVE IT WAS ONE OF THE MEMBERS ASKED ABOUT THE USE AND BECAUSE IT FOLLOWED THAT A SLIDE THAT I HAD FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING, AND I REALLY THINK THAT OFFICE BUILDING WOULD BE PERFECT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HIGHWAY 114.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON THE NORTH SIDE, I THINK IT IS INCONSISTENT.

I MEAN, IT'S APPROVED. SO, IF IT GOT BUILT, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ON THAT SIDE.

AND I THINK THAT, AS I MENTIONED, SORT OF THE GRADE A C2 LEVEL BUILDING HELPS.

AND SO, THE OTHER THING IS WE'RE JUST REALLY, WE'RE TRYING TO REVERT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ZONING THAT WAS ALREADY SORT OF IN PLACE ON THAT LOT.

WE'RE DOING THE SP TWO BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE SITE, HAVING THAT SHARED ACCESS DRIVE, WHICH IS ALREADY COVERED IN OUR IN OUR PLAT THAT'S GOING TO BE SUBMITTED.

SO, WE JUST WE FEEL LIKE IT'S MORE CONSISTENT.

YEAH, YEAH, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A SHOEHORNED SITE.

IT'S ALREADY GOT, YOU KNOW.

BUILDING ADJACENT AND SOME DRIVEWAY AND PARKING, AND IT'S SMALLER AND SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT TO SELL HERE OR THERE.

AND IT'S. YEAH, IT'S.

NOT IDEAL. BUT YEAH, I THINK YOUR IDEA ABOUT JUST SHOWING WHAT THE ENTIRE POTENTIAL AREA COULD LOOK LIKE, I THINK IS, IS HELPFUL.

JUST A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE WORKED THROUGH WITH STAFF AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, STAFF HAS BEEN FANTASTIC.

I ASK MAYBE TOO MANY QUESTIONS AND THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN GREAT TO ANSWER THOSE.

AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE IS THE NORTHEAST DRIVE APPROACH.

THE APPROACH ON CAROLINE PARK HAS SHIFTED NORTH JUST A LITTLE BIT FROM OUR ALIGNMENT.

BUT IN THE PLAT, WE'RE GOING TO COVER THAT WITH A JOINT ACCESS EASEMENT ON THE ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER.

WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE OWNER OF THE SHIVERS' TRACT.

JUST REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT.

AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF THE PROJECT THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY MEETING, AND IT'S WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

WE TRIED TO WORK DOING A JOINT ACCESS EASEMENT ON THAT LINE, BUT I THINK THAT SHE'S JUST KIND OF HOLDING TIGHT UNTIL SHE WORKS THROUGH THAT, AND THAT'S FINE.

BUT WHAT WE DID IS WE WE'RE COVERING THAT WITH THE JOINT ACCESS EASEMENT ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY CORNER SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF WE NEED TO ALIGN, WE CAN DO THAT.

COOL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK YOU'RE GOOD.

IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL.

I'M DONE. YEAH, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK.

OKAY. THANKS, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO SO AT THIS TIME.

OTHERWISE, SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD, I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE OUT THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THE STIPULATIONS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

I THINK I'M FINE GOING FORWARD.

I KNOW THIS WENT FROM A CORRIDOR MEETING WHICH HAD OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER REPRESENTATION ON IT.

SO BIG, BIG PICTURE.

DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND STIPULATE ANY OF THE USES TO HIGHLIGHT NOW, OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST WAIT FOR COUNCIL TO DO THAT? I'M COMFORTABLE DOING IT EITHER WAY BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING COUNCIL WILL CATCH IT ALL.

BUT I MEAN, IF THERE'S A COUPLE 2 OR 3 YOU WANT TO NAME.

YEAH, THERE'S TWO OF THEM THAT I THOUGHT WERE STOOD OUT.

NUMBER TEN IS THE LAUNDROMAT AND NUMBER 14 WAS THE DAYCARE.

I HAVE NO OBJECTION.

MAYBE I'D SAY NO, NOTING THOSE AND POTENTIALLY OTHERS THAT THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, MAY DEEM JUST AT A MINIMUM THOSE TWO.

SO. OKAY.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA.

ZA 24-0009, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 3RD, 2024.

ALSO SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED MAY 3RD, 2024, NOTING APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCES AND

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NUMBER 14, A DAYCARE, AND ENCOURAGING THEM TO BE AGGRESSIVE WITH THEIR ELIMINATION OF USES.

ALSO RECOMMENDING, AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, THAT THE SOUTH FACING SIDE OF THE BUILDING SHOULD NOT INCLUDE HVAC, MECHANICAL, AND THAT THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON THE LANDSCAPING AS THEY APPEAR TO HAVE DONE, AND THEN ALSO RECOMMENDING, AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL, THAT THEY INCLUDE THE OVERLAY ON THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH AND AS MUCH AS THEY CAN WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE A IN DEPTH MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.

PASSED 6-0.

CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK.

NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE WAY THE SAUSAGE IS MADE.

SO DON'T TAKE ANY OF THIS ANY KIND OF NEGATIVE MANNER.

WE'RE SETTING THINGS UP AND TAKING A VOTE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL BE PERMANENTLY THERE FOREVER.

SO, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT AND WISH YOU GOOD LUCK.

AND AS DENNIS WILL TELL YOU, I THINK THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING IS ON MAY 21ST.

THERE WE GO. SO, ASSUMING YOU MOVE IT ALONG THAT QUICK, THAT'S WHEN THE MEETING WILL BE.

SO GOOD LUCK.

WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING THIS EVENING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.