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NOW WE'LL GAVEL IN THE SIGN BOARD MEETING AT 7:06 P.M..
[1. Call to Order.]
I HAVE NO, I MEAN, WE KIND OF COVERED EVERYTHING ADMINISTRATIVE.NO CHAIRMAN COMMENTS FOR THE SIGN BOARD MEETING.
[5. Consider: Approving the minutes from the May 9, 2024, Sign Board Meeting]
WE'LL TAKE A MOTION, DOCTOR.I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
AND WE'RE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS THE ONLY ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
[6. Consider: SV24-0005, Sign Variances for Tom Thumb Gasoline Service Station & Convenience Store, located at 110 W. Southlake Blvd., Southlake, Texas.]
CONSIDER SV24-0005 SIGNED VARIANCES FOR THE SAME TOM THUMB THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. YES, SIR.THIS IS A SET OF SIGNED VARIANCE REQUESTS FOR THE PROPOSED TOM THUMB CAN FUEL STATION AT 110 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD. HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.
AGAIN EXISTING BUILDING CONDITIONS TODAY.
HERE'S ELEVATIONS, PROPOSED ELEVATIONS OF THE SITE.
HERE'S THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE SIGNS PROPOSED.
WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH SET OF SIGNS AS WE GET THROUGH HERE.
THIS IS NOW THE CORRECTED SET OF POWERPOINT.
WE HAVE AN ATTACHED SIGN FACING 1709 WITH THE TOM THUMB EXPRESS AND ATTACHED WELCOME SIGN ABOVE THE DOOR, AND AN ATTACHED TOM THUMB EXPRESS SIGN THAT FACES NORTH TOWARDS THE TOM THUMB GROCERY STORE.
A VARIANCE TO THE LETTER HEIGHT ON THE NORTH ELEVATION THAT IS THE SIGN THAT WOULD FACE THE GROCERY STORE AGAIN, THE LETTER HEIGHT AND THE SIGN PLACEMENT IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE 75% OF THAT FAÇADE IS JUSTIFIED TO THE RIGHT, AS SHOWN HERE.
AND THEN THE THIRD SIGN, THE WELCOME SIGN THAT'S ABOVE THE ENTRY.
THE ONLY VARIANCE IS THAT THIS IS THE THIRD ATTACHED SIGN ON THAT BUILDING.
THE SECOND SET OF SIGNS WOULD BE THE ATTACHED SIGNS TO THE CANOPY.
THEY ARE JUSTIFIED RESPECTIVELY CLOSEST TO THE ROAD.
SO IF WE LOOK ON THE SOUTH FAÇADE, IT'S JUSTIFIED TO THE RIGHT TOWARDS NORTH WHITECHAPEL.
AND THEN ON THE NORTH ELEVATION WOULD BE JUSTIFIED TOWARDS THE LEFT.
HERE'S THE MONUMENT SIGNS AN EXISTING SIGN ON THE SITE.
THE REQUESTING THAT IT EFFECTIVELY REMAINED THE SAME.
THE HEIGHT FOR SPECIFICALLY A GAS PRICING MONUMENT SIGN THE SETBACK AS IT EXISTS.
REALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IS THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN FACE ITSELF.
THEY ARE ASKING TO PLACE THIS TOM THUMB EXPRESS SIGN HERE BELOW THE PRICING SIGN.
AND THEN OF COURSE, AGAIN SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, THE TOTAL SIGN AREA OF 120FT².
AND ONE ADDITIONAL VARIANCE IS THAT THE BACKING COLORS OF THE SIGNS ARE DIFFERENT.
AND FINALLY, THERE IS A DIRECTIONAL SIGN THAT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR THE ATM.
IT WOULD BE PLACED NEAR THE ENTRY TO THE DRIVE THRU.
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WOULD BE REQUIRED IT'S A POLE SIGN.THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AS WE KNOW, THERE ARE APPLICANTS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, BUT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU.
YEAH. IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE[INAUDIBLE] GO ONE TO THE RIGHT.
OKAY. AND I CAN SCROLL THROUGH THEM WHENEVER I'M READY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THESE.
UNLESS MAYBE WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM AT THIS TIME.
BUT MAYBE WE START WITH THE BUILDING.
AND SO BEGINNING WITH THE BUILDING THE VARIANCE IS WE ALLOW TWO SIGNS IN OUR ORDINANCE, AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR THREE. YES, SIR.
WHAT'S. WHAT'S THE MOOD ON ON THAT PIECE? MY THOUGHT IS THE WELCOME SIGN IS A LITTLE REDUNDANT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S NEEDED.
OKAY. ACTUALLY, I THINK I AGREE WITH WITH SPRINGER.
I DON'T IF WE, IF WE LET ONE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING SAY WELCOME, THEN EVERYONE'S GOING TO WANT TO PUT WELCOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE AND I DON'T I THINK WE'RE FRIENDLY ENOUGH WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT WE'RE WELCOME.
BUT I THINK IT'S UNNECESSARY FOR A VARIANCE.
OKAY. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT HAS SOME TRACTION.
OKAY. FROM THAT'S A NUMBER OF SIGNS PERSPECTIVE.
NOW IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, THE BUILDING AND THE LETTER HEIGHT.
YOU KNOW, AS PERMITTED, 21 21.4IN AND 14IN.
AND THEY'RE PROPOSING 24IN AND 16IN.
AND THE RIGHT ALIGNED ADJUSTMENT.
RIGHT. ONLY ON THE NORTH SIDE YEAH. ANY HEARTBURN OVER THE SIZE OF THIS? NO, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE GIVEN THE VIEW FROM THE PARKING LOT IN THE BACK ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THERE.
AND THEN. SO, MOVING TO THE CANOPY.
THE ONLY THING IS THE JUSTIFICATION, RIGHT? AND AM I RIGHT IN SAYING THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE TEXACO HAD BEFORE, THOUGH YOU ARE CORRECT.
THE ACTUALLY LET ME SEE IF I CAN SCROLL BACK.
YOU CAN SEE THE TEXACO SIGN IS IS JUSTIFIED IN THE SAME AREA.
THERE WE GO. SO, YEAH, VIRTUALLY, THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT THE NEW SIGNS IN THE SAME LOCATION.
ARTISTICALLY, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT MAKES SENSE TOO.
OKAY. ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS AROUND THAT? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THE PROBABLY THE ELECTRICAL CONNECTIONS ARE ALL THERE AT THAT SPOT.
SO IT'LL BE EASIER TO DO A SIGN CHANGE.
BUT IT ALSO THEY'RE THEY'RE THERE FOR A PURPOSE.
THEY'RE THERE TO, YOU KNOW, PRESENT THE BEST YOU KNOW, VIEW FROM THE STREETS.
SO I THINK THEY'RE I THINK THEY'RE APPROPRIATE.
OKAY. THEN I GUESS WE'LL MOVE TO THE MONUMENT SIGN.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST NONCONFORMING USE.
THIS IS HOW IT'S BEEN. THIS IS THE STRUCTURE IT'S BEEN FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES NOW.
AND SO THIS IS JUST A CLEANUP ITEM.
THE ONE TWEAK TO THIS IS THE ADDING OF THE TOM THUMB EXPRESS TAGLINE THAT JUST MAKES THAT IF YOU INCLUDE THE PRICE SIGN AND THAT A LITTLE BIT TALLER.
ANY ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT? BUT THERE AGAIN, IT'S IT'S THE SAME THING THAT THAT SIGN IS UNUSUALLY AT THE MONUMENT P ART OF IT IS MUCH LARGER THAN ANY WE HAVE AROUND TOWN.
BUT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S IN THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THAT DEPRESSION.
SO IT'S TO GET IT UP TO STREET LEVEL.
SO IT'S BEEN THERE ALL THIS TIME, I THINK IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD BE OKAY TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
AND OKAY WITH THE TOM THUMB EXPRESS ADDED BELOW YEAH, I THINK SO. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S GAUDIER.
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I THINK IT JUST, YOU KNOW, GETS TO THE POINT IT'S PRETTY CLEAN SIGN.I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF TOM THUMB EXPRESS ON THE BUILDING ALREADY TOO, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE DISPROPORTIONATE IF IT GOT SMALLER, BUT I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING AN OPTION WITH MAYBE A LITTLE SMALLER.
AND THEN LASTLY IS THE POLE SIGN.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE STANDARD HAS SOMETIMES BEEN ADDING SOME MASONRY AROUND IT.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY A VERY SMALL SIGN.
AND THEN IT'S, I GUESS, A LITTLE OVER DOUBLE THE SIZE OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR.
CAN I ASK THAT STILL? THE LIKE TOM THUMB, THE SIGNS THAT WE APPROVED IN THE PARKING LOT FOR, LIKE, YOUR PICK UP AND GO OR WHATEVER THAT IS.
DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE SIGNS? THERE ARE SIGNS IN THERE, RIGHT FOR THOSE? THE TOM THUMB.
I WAS NOT HERE FOR THAT, IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THERE? YEAH. ARE THEY POLE SIGNS LIKE THIS? AND IF THEY ARE, I GUESS, HOW TALL ARE THEY? I DON'T KNOW COMPARATIVELY HOW THESE ARE, BUT MY RECOLLECTION IF UNLESS I'VE MISSED IT.
I THINK THEY CAME IN AND ASKED FOR THOSE.
AND THEN WERE NOT APPROVED AND SO WHAT THEY INSTALLED WERE CONFORMING HEIGHT AND TYPES FOR RESERVED PARKING THAT IS PERMITTED UNDER THE ORDINANCE AND THAT THAT IS M Y RECOLLECTION.
I CANNOT CONFIRM THAT THAT IS ACCURATE.
THAT'S A THAT'S A PRETTY DETAILED RESPONSE ON SOMETHING THAT'S VERY NUANCED.
WELL, I, I SHOP AT TOM THUMB ALL THE TIME.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE DEFINITELY NOT THREE FEET.
SO THEY'RE I CAN'T I'VE NEVER PUT A TAPE ON ONE, BUT I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET.
REAGAN, WOULD YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE IT SHOWS IT IN ITS PROXIMITY WITHIN THE SITE PLAN? SURE. SO YOU'RE BASICALLY COMING OFF 1709 AND YOU'RE LOOKING RIGHT AT IT.
AND THEN KIND OF CURVING AROUND IT IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE ATM.
AND THEN WOULD YOU MIND SHOWING THAT ANGLE WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE BUILDING ITSELF? BACK TO OUR IMAGES HERE OR RIGHT THERE.
YEAH. SO IT'S BASICALLY GOING TO BE.
AND MAYBE FROM A PERSPECTIVE STANDPOINT, I BET THE EVE OF THE WHITE FOR WHAT [INAUDIBLE] THE SIDING THERE.
YOU THINK THAT'S TEN FEET TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT? IT DEPENDS. WE MEASURE THE SPACES SO THERE ARE.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO HELP THERE.
FROM THE EDGE OF THE CURB, PERHAPS TO THE LIGHT.
PROBABLY COULD BE MORE LIKE 15FT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TO THE TO THE.
YEAH. TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING TO THE TO THE WHITE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE POLE SIGN.
THE SEVEN FEET, IT'D BE HALF THAT DISTANCE.
YES. SO, I MEAN, IT'D BE AS IF A VERY TALL BASKETBALL PLAYER WOULD BE STANDING THERE.
I GUESS YOU COULD LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY IT SEEMS LIKE BEING TALLER IS ACTUALLY MORE BENEFICIAL FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, BECAUSE IF YOU HAD A LOW SIGN AND A LOW POLE, A CAR MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT OR BACK INTO IT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
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IT COULD BE TALLER THAN A CAR THAT'S PARKED IN AN ADJACENT PARKING SPACE.YEAH. SO THERE'S A CAR PARKED THERE SINCE OUR SPACES COULD BLOCK IT IF IT WERE THREE FEET.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE? CAN I GO BACK TO THE MONUMENT SIGN FOR A SECOND? IS THAT ALLOWED? SAY THAT AGAIN.
CAN I GO BACK TO THE MONUMENT SIGN FOR A SECOND? YEAH. SO CAN YOU PULL THAT? SO I FEEL LIKE WE DIDN'T REALLY HIT ON THIS BECAUSE YOU WERE SAYING YOU YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE HEIGHT THAT IT IS, BUT ISN'T THE PROPOSAL TO ADD ON TO THE TOP? NO, NO IT'S NOT.
OKAY THEN WHAT'S IT'S SEPARATED TO SHOW SO YOU CAN SEE IT THANKS. WELL, SINCE WE WENT BACK, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THESE ELECTRONIC SIGNS WORK, BUT IS IT WIRELESS OR.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT WIRES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE COMING OUT OF IT.
IT'S IT'S WHAT IS ALREADY THERE THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S THERE'S, IT'S IT'S EXISTING.
AND PRESUMABLY IF THERE'S A CONTROL THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO IT, IT'S ALREADY BURIED THERE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WIRELESS OR.
YEAH, THEY'RE SHAKING THEIR HEAD.
WELL, I GUESS WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.
ITEM NUMBER SV 24-005, REFERENCING THE STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 17TH, 2024, WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF EXCLUDING THE WELCOME SIGN AT THE FRONT DOOR AND HAVING THE APPLICANT COME TO THE COUNCIL WITH A DESIGN SHOWING A SMALLER TOM THUMB EXPRESS FOR THE MONUMENT SIGN.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
ALSO NEXT MEETING WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
DID WE SAY 5TH OR 4TH? YEAH THIS WILL GO ON JUNE 18TH.
THE ZONING CHANGE REQUIRES TWO READINGS AT CITY COUNCIL, SO THE SIGN VARIANCE WILL BE HELD BACK UNTIL THE TIME IN WHICH THAT SECOND READING IS FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO JUNE 18TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
OKAY. WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:23 P.M..
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.