[00:00:01] >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO OUR JUNE 4, [1. Call to order.] 2024, SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. MY NAME IS SHAWN MCCASKILL. I'M THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. WE ARE MISSING COUNCIL MEMBER AMY TORRES-LEPP, BUT WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON OUR AGENDA. AS ALWAYS, WE START WITH WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER 2. WE'LL INTRODUCE AND WELCOME PASTOR CLAYTON REID, WHO IS THE OFFICIAL CITY CHAPLAIN FROM SOUTHLAKE BAPTIST CHURCH TO LEAD US IN PRAYER. THEN, IF YOU WOULD, REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE PLEDGE TO TEXAS. [INAUDIBLE] TO SEE YOU. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. LET'S PRAY. LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS EVENING, AND WE GIVE THANKS FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL. WE PRAY YOU WOULD BLESS THEM AS THEY WORK TONIGHT. LORD'S ITEMS COME IN FRONT OF THEM, WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD FILL THEIR MINDS WITH WISDOM, THEIR HEARTS WITH JOY AND THEIR DECISIONS WITH INTEGRITY. WE PRAY BLESSING ON THEM AND PEACE FOR THEM. WE ALSO GIVE THANKS FOR OUR NEW ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS, AND WE PRAY BLESSING OVER JAMES AND STACEY AS THEY WORK. WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM HELP AS THEY ASSUME THESE JOBS, AND STRENGTH AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS AND BLESSINGS FOR THEM AND THEIR ENTIRE TEAM. THANK YOU, LORD FOR YOUR LOVE FOR US, BLESS THIS TIME TOGETHER TONIGHT. FILL THIS ROOM WITH PEACE AND STRENGTH FOR THOSE WHO ARE WORKING. IN JESUS NAME, WE PRAY. AMEN. >> AMEN. THANK YOU, PASTOR REID. THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> OF ALLEGIANCE]. >> >> THANK YOU, PASTOR REID. NEXT UP IS WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER 3. [3. Honor the City of Southlake as Fit City 2024 Champions] TONIGHT, WE ARE HONORING THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AS THE FIT CITY 2024 CHAMPIONS. TO GET THAT STARTED, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE COMMUNITY RELATIONS MANAGER OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, VICKY SCHIBER, WHO WILL DISCUSS THE FIT CITY CHALLENGE AND HONOR THE HIGH PERFORMERS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. >> I'M GOING TO PUT THIS RIGHT HERE JUST SO Y'ALL COULD SEE THAT. >> THERE'S THE TROPHY I WAS LOOKING FOR. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE. BEFORE I GET STARTED, I WANT TO INTRODUCE MY AWESOME TEAM THAT'S WITH ME. OVER HERE, I HAVE AMY BENNETT. SHE'S OUR CHAMPIONS CLUB OPERATIONS MANAGER. Y'ALL ALSO MET HER LAST TIME. THEN NEXT TO HER, I HAVE CHRISTINA GUZMAN. SHE'S OUR SENIOR RECREATION SPECIALIST IN FITNESS. AND OVER HERE, I HAVE DANA BLANKENSHIP. SHE'S OUR MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS COORDINATOR. THEN NEXT TO HER, YOU MET HIM LAST TIME, TOO. THIS IS RYAN TOMPKINS. HE'S OUR FITNESS SUPERVISOR. THIS IS OUR AWESOME TEAM THAT HELPED US WORK ON THIS FIT CITY CHALLENGE. LET ME GET IN HERE AND WE'LL GET ROCKING AND ROLLING. A COUPLE OF THINGS TO POINT OUT. THIS WAS OUR THIRD YEAR THAT WE DID THE FIT CITY CHALLENGE. LIKE I SAID, TOTAL TEAM EFFORT, TEAM INITIATIVE, MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD, BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS TO POINT OUT. THREE CITIES, AGAIN, THIS YEAR, DIFFERENCE FROM LAST YEAR IS INSTEAD OF COLVILLE, WE HAD THE CITY OF COPPELL WHICH WAS A LOT OF FUN. WE ALSO SLIMMED THE CHALLENGE DOWN FROM 45 DAYS TO 30 DAYS, WHICH WAS AWESOME. THEN CITY MULTI-DEPARTMENT EFFORT, I CAN'T SPEAK ENOUGH TO HOW TREMENDOUS THE TEAMWORK WAS ON THIS EFFORT. WE HAD A LOT OF HELP FROM THE OCCE THAT WAS AWESOME. OUR WHOLE DEPARTMENT FED INTO IT. IT WASN'T JUST A ONE PERSON JOB. IT WAS THE WHOLE TEAM. I'LL TALK ON THAT A LOT AS I GO THROUGH THIS BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT MADE THE DIFFERENCE FROM US. THEN, AGAIN, THE FIT CITY CHALLENGE, OUR GOAL IS TO BUILD HEALTHY HABITS WITHIN EACH COMMUNITY. LET'S SEE WHERE ARE WE AT. AGAIN, YEAR 3, WHICH IS AWESOME. YEAR 2 FOR SOUTHLAKE TO WIN, WHICH IS TEAM EFFORT. YOU'LL HEAR IT A LOT AND A LOT BECAUSE IT REALLY WAS A TEAM EFFORT. WITHOUT THESE PEOPLE HERE THAT YOU SEE STANDING NEXT TO ME, WE WOULD NOT BE WHERE WE ARE. A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT HOW IT WORKED. AGAIN, THE 30 DAYS. OUR DEPARTMENT MISSION IS TO BUILD A WORLD CLASS EXPERIENCE, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE LEANED INTO WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THIS CHALLENGE. IT'S ALL ABOUT, YES, WE WANT YOU TO BE FIT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE HEART OF THIS CHALLENGE IS TO BUILD COMMUNITY AND TO DO THAT AND TO BUILD A WORLD CLASS EXPERIENCE WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT. OUR OBJECTIVE WHILE WORKING THROUGH THE CHALLENGE WAS, HOW CAN WE HELP BUILD COMMUNITY? HOW CAN WE HELP GIVE, KEY FACTORS AND TIPS TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ISN'T ABOUT STARTING SOMETHING NEW. THIS IS ABOUT KEEPING UP WHAT YOU'RE DOING. IT'S ABOUT BEING CONSISTENT. IT'S ABOUT CELEBRATING THE LITTLE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING TO STAY FIT. THIS ISN'T THE CHALLENGE WHERE WE WANT TO GO IN AND TELL YOU YOU HAVE TO START NEW, [00:05:03] AND YOU HAVE TO START THIS CRAZY WORKOUT REGIME. THIS IS JUST ABOUT, LIKE I SAID, CELEBRATING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. IF YOU'RE WALKING THE DOG EVERY NIGHT, THAT'S AWESOME. TRACK IT. IF YOU HAVE A MILE LONG DRIVEWAY AND YOU HAVE TO GO GET YOUR MAIL EVERY DAY, TRACK THAT. THAT'S WHAT MATTERS. THE KEY TO THIS CHALLENGE IS CONSISTENCY AND TRACKING WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. THAT'S HOW WE WIN. THAT'S HOW WE'VE WON THESE LAST TWO YEARS, IS REALLY DRIVING HOME THAT MESSAGE WITH OUR TEAM AND TEAM SOUTHLAKE OVERALL AND LETTING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT AND CELEBRATING ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING. LIKE I SAID, SECOND YEAR FOR US TO WIN, WE'RE SUPER EXCITED TO KEEP IT. WE KNOW IT WAS CLOSE FOR A WHILE THERE, BUT HAD FULL FAITH IN OUR TEAM TO COME BACK AND WIN IT. WANTED TO DIVE INTO SOME OF THESE NUMBERS FOR YOU AND JUST GIVE A LITTLE INFORMATION OF HOW IT WENT. YOU'LL SEE UP HERE THE THREE TEAMS, SOUTHLAKE FIRST, KELLER CAME IN SECOND, COPPELL CAME IN THIRD. THEN JUST THESE ARE NUMBERS FOR THE CHALLENGE OVERALL. WE HAD 868 PARTICIPANTS, WHICH WAS AWESOME. BETWEEN THOSE 800 PARTICIPANTS, WE HAD 22,000 ACTIVITIES LOGGED. THAT'S 22,000 DIFFERENT WORKOUTS, DIFFERENT TASKS THAT WERE LOGGED IN. THAT WAS A TOTAL OF 114,000 TOTAL POINTS THAT EQUATES TO, THIS IS ALWAYS MY FAVORITE ONE, AROUND 25,000 SLICES OF PIZZA THAT WE BURNED OFF, AND IT'S 7 MILLION PLUS CALORIES THAT WE BURNED. THEN AS A COLLECTIVE, 815 DAYS OF EXERCISE THAT WE PUT IN. THEN WE'LL GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER WITH SOME MORE FUN NUMBERS. I KNOW ON THE APP, IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE IT WAS KILOMETERS, BUT WE WENT AHEAD AND DID THE CONVERSION FOR Y'ALL. AS A COLLECTIVE, ALL THE FIT CITY PARTICIPANTS TRAVELED ABOUT 31,000 MILES. THAT'S ROUGHLY 1.3 TRIPS AROUND THE WORLD THAT WE WALKED AROUND, WHICH IS REALLY FUN. THEN I THOUGHT THIS ONE WAS FUN, 5,000 TRIPS UP MOUNT EVEREST AND BACK. THEN 464,000 TRIPS ACROSS A FOOTBALL FIELD OR SOCCER FIELD. WE CAN ARGUE WITH GOJOE, WHICH ONE WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT. BUT FUN TRIP THERE. THEN LET'S GET INTO TEAM SOUTHLAKE'S NUMBERS. SO TEAM SOUTHLAKE WAS AWESOME THIS YEAR. WE'RE AWESOME EVERY YEAR, BUT WE HAD 255 ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS. AGAIN, ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS, THAT'S WHAT SETS US APART FROM THE OTHER CITIES. WE WENT UP AND DOWN MOUNT EVEREST 2000 TIMES. WE DID HALF A TRIP AROUND THE WORLD, 7,000 SLICES OF PIZZA. TEAM SOUTHLAKE HAD 7,000 PLUS ACTIVITIES, 269 DAYS OF EXERCISE, AND TWO MILLION CALORIES BURNED. I WISH THAT WERE ME, BUT IT WAS A TEAM COLLECTIVE. IT WAS REALLY GREAT. 30 DAYS OF INTENSE ACTIVITY, 30 DAYS OF TRACKING EVERYTHING, AND THIS IS JUST A FUN WAY TO BREAK DOWN AND SHOW OFF ALL THE EFFORTS THAT EVERYONE CONTRIBUTED TO. I SAID IT BEFORE, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, TOTAL TEAM EFFORT TO WIN. NOT JUST FROM STAFF WHO HELPED PUT THE CHALLENGE TOGETHER, BUT STAFF WHO PARTICIPATED. WE HAD MORE THAN 50 STAFF MEMBERS ACROSS THE CITY WHO WERE A PART OF TEAM SOUTHLAKE, AND THEY WERE INCREDIBLE. THEY HAD RACKED UP LOTS OF POINTS. PROBABLY THERE'S LIKE 13 OR SO THAT WERE ON THE TOP 100, SO THAT WAS GREAT. AGAIN, JUST TRACKING THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING ANYWAY. WE DID HAVE TWO STAFF MEMBERS THAT EARNED SOME FUN GOJOE AWARDS. WE HAD MELODY ANDERSON, WHO WON THE EAGER BEAVER FOR BEING THE FIRST TO LOG ACTIVITY IN THE WHOLE CHALLENGE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS FUN. THEN JENNY CROSBY WON THE WOODPECKER AWARD FOR THE MOST ACTIVITIES. SHE LOGGED THE MOST ACTIVITIES FOR TEAM SOUTHLAKE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY COOL THAT OUR STAFF WAS IN THERE HELPING TO DO THAT. THEN, AGAIN, THE MULTI DEPARTMENT COMMUNICATION EFFORT, I CAN'T STRESS HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS. THE OTHER CITIES. >> WELL, THIS IS JUST THE REC CENTER, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE THEIR PROJECT, BUT HERE WE TOOK A TEAM EFFORT, AND IT'S A WHOLE CITY PROJECT. I NOTICED SEVERAL OF YOU PARTICIPATING, WHICH WAS AWESOME AND SHARING INFORMATION AND GETTING ALL THAT INFORMATION ACROSS, AND HERE AT THE CITY, SAME TOO. WE WORKED WITH THE OCCE TO HELP SHARE INFORMATION. WE WORKED TOGETHER. WORKING WITH THEM, WE POSTED ON 10 SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS. WE HAD 44 FACEBOOK POSTS, 40 INSTAGRAM POSTS, WE HAD NEARLY 200 PAGE VIEWS TO OUR DEDICATED FIT CITY PAGE WITHIN THAT 30 DAYS. THEN WE DID SOME HOW-TO VIDEOS THAT WALKED YOU THROUGH HOW TO LOG IT AND HOW TO SIGN IN AND ALL THAT FUN STUFF. THEN IN THE COMMUNITY SERVICES TEAM, WE TOOK THAT DEEPER DIVE, AND IT WAS MORE THAN JUST THE CHAMPIONS CLUB STAFF. WE HAD A COUPLE OF ALL-STAFF MEETINGS WHERE EVERYONE; PARKS, PICKLEBALL, THE SENIOR CENTER, OUR BANQUET SPECIALIST, EVERYBODY SAT DOWN, AND WE ALL WENT THROUGH TO LEARN HOW TO WORK THE APP. THE IDEA WAS THAT IF ANYBODY STOPPED US ANYWHERE, [00:10:01] WE COULD AT LEAST POINT THEM TO THE WEBSITE AND CAN AT LEAST SHOW THEM HOW TO LOG THE ACTIVITY. I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DEAL WITH A NEW APP, IT CAN GET CONFUSING, AND THERE'S ALWAYS, WELL, HOW DO I LOG THIS OR HOW DO I LOG THAT? AS A TEAM, EVERYONE COMMITTED TO THAT, AND THAT WAS GREAT. WE EVEN HAD PARKS GUYS THAT WERE READY IF SOMEONE WAS GOING TO STOP THEM TO HELP EXPLAIN THE APP. SPEAKING OF PARKS, WE POSTED SIGNS IN EVERY PARK WITH THE QR CODE. WE TRIED TO BE STRATEGIC AND PUT IT BY TRAILS SO THAT THEY MIGHT TAKE THE SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE AND LOG THAT. WE PARTICIPATED IN A COUPLE OF CITY EVENTS. WE WERE AT THE RUN FOR A LEASE, WHICH WAS A LOT OF FUN FOR US TO BE THERE AND DO THAT AS WELL. IF YOU WERE A PART OF TEAM SOUTHLAKE AND YOU WERE IN THE APP, WE DEFINITELY WANTED TO PUSH SOME MESSAGING OUT AND TRY TO MOTIVATE EVERYONE AND GIVE THEM SOME IDEAS. THERE WERE A LOT OF REALLY GREAT FEATURES IN THE APP WHERE YOU COULD LOOK IN AND SEE DIFFERENT WORKOUTS THAT THEY HAD OR DIFFERENT MEAL PLANS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. WE USED OUR IN-APP FEATURES TO DO THAT. WE ALSO HAD INFORMATION INCLUDED IN EIGHT E-BLASTS ACROSS THE CITY, AND WE HAD AN OPEN RATE OF ALMOST 60%, WHICH IS UNHEARD OF. THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE WERE LOOKING AT OUR EMAILS AND THEY CLICKED ON IT. THEY CLICKED ON THE LINK, AND THEY WENT TO THE WEBSITE, WHICH WAS GREAT. THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAD OUR AWESOME MINUTE WITH THE MAYOR, WHERE WE TRIED TO SHOW OFF PICKLEBALL. WEATHER DIDN'T COOPERATE WITH US, BUT WE TRIED. WE MADE THE EFFORT. WE HAD MAYORS FROM COPPELL AND KELLER THAT WERE THERE, AND IT'S ALWAYS A FUN VIDEO TO DO TO GET THEM AND TO HAVE THAT CAMARADERIE. ALL OF THAT, AGAIN, LED TO OUR SECOND TITLE. TOTAL TEAM EFFORT, I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT THAT WAS THAT EVERYBODY GETS BEHIND IT. MY TEAMMATES, STANDING ON EITHER SIDE OF ME, EACH HAD A SUPER VITAL ROLE IN THAT, WHETHER IT WAS RYAN AND CRISTINA ON THE FITNESS FLOOR, HELPING SOMEONE THAT WAS JUST STANDING THERE, OR AT THE PICKLEBALL CENTER. THE TEAM WAS REALLY GREAT ABOUT, AS PEOPLE WERE WALKING OFF THE COURT, DID YOU LOG THAT, OR DID YOU SIGN UP HERE? WE DEFINITELY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAD. FUN STUFF NEXT. WE'LL GET INTO THE TOP 100. NOT GOING TO READ ALL THE NAMES BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT, BUT WE WANT TO CELEBRATE THE TOP 100 THAT WE'RE THERE. YOU MIGHT SEE SOME FAMILIAR FACES UP THERE. WE'LL JUMP INTO THAT SO YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL OF THE FAMILIAR FACES, BUT HERE'S OUR LIST OF STAFF MEMBERS WHO DID WELL. >> WAY TO GO, FRANCES. >> WE HAD COUNCIL MEMBER SCHARLI WAS ON THERE, 12TH PLACE FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, WHICH IS AWESOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THEN WE HAD SOME BOARD MEMBERS WITH CCPD THAT PLACED AS WELL. OUR STAFF WAS TREMENDOUS. AGAIN, IT'S BEING CONSISTENT AND LOGGING THE ACTIVITIES. IT WAS A LOT OF FUN TO SEE THIS MANY STAFF MEMBERS THAT MADE IT INTO THE TOP 100 FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. THEN, WE ALSO HAD OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND BOARD MEMBERS AND FAMILY THAT GOT INVOLVED, TOO. WE HAVE CAROLINE, WHO DID AWESOME, WE'RE SUPER PROUD OF THAT BECAUSE SHE DID WAY BETTER THAN I DID. THAT'S WAY FUN. >> SHE DID A LOT BETTER THAN ME TOO. >> SHE'S COMMITTED. WE LIKE IT. AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE ANYONE THAT WAS IN THE TOP 100 TO STAND SO THAT WE CAN RECOGNIZE THEM AND GIVE THEM A LITTLE ROUND OF APPLAUSE. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> LOVE SEEING THE BRIGHT ORANGE T-SHIRTS OUT THERE. DEFINITELY WAS A LITTLE BIT BRIGHTER THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS, BUT SAFETY FIRST. YOU CAN RUN AT NIGHT, AND YOU'LL BE SAFE. NOW I'M GOING TO MOVE INTO OUR TOP THREE AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO OUR TOP THREE WERE. WE'LL START WITH THIRD PLACE. WE HAVE CRISTINA SCHULZ, WHO FINISHED IN THIRD PLACE. CONGRATS, CRISTINA. COME ON UP. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CRISTINA. SHE HAD MORE THAN 800 POINTS. FUN FACT, CRISTINA IS ALSO A ZUMBA INSTRUCTOR WITH US AT CHAMPIONS CLUB. HER PREFERRED ACTIVITY WAS PICKLEBALL. SHE WAS THE PICKLEBALL QUEEN. CONGRATS. THAT'S WHAT GOT HER WHERE SHE'S AT. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE CRISTINA AN AWESOME BACKPACK WITH SOME SWAG, AND WE'D LOVE TO SEE THE BACKPACK AROUND. I LOVE THAT YOU'RE WEARING THE PICKLEBALL HAT. THAT'S AWESOME. THEN OUR SECOND PLACE IS BLAKE BULLARD. HE WAS SECOND LAST YEAR TOO, WHICH IS AWESOME. BLAKE IS OUR TRIATHLETE. HE'S A MACHINE. THIS IS SECOND YEAR IN A ROW, FINISHING SECOND. HE HAD MORE THAN 1,000 POINTS, AND HE COVERED ABOUT 400 MILES. UNFORTUNATELY, BLAKE IS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT WITH US BECAUSE BLAKE IS AT THE USA TRIATHLON JUNIOR NATIONAL TEAM TRAINING CENTER IN PARK CITY, UTAH. >> WELL, THAT'S A GOOD EXCUSE, SO LET'S GIVE HIM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. >> YES. >> MOM SAID HE HAD A LOT OF FUN DOING THE CHALLENGE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, [00:15:03] AND SINCE HE TRAINED SO MUCH, HE LIKES THAT HE'S ABLE TO WORK HIS TRAINING IN AND HELP THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. BLAKE, WE APPRECIATE IT, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU. WE'LL GIVE BLAKE A PASS ON THIS ONE. THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT FIRST PLACE, MR. FIT CITY, JAMIE WOOLDRIDGE. COME ON UP, JAMIE. THIS IS JAMIE'S SECOND YEAR WINNING FIRST PLACE. NOT ONLY DID HE GET FIRST PLACE FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, HE ALSO GOT FIRST PLACE IN THE CHALLENGE OVERALL. >> DARN, RIGHT. >> YES. OVER 10,000 POINTS. JAMIE HAD OVER 10,000 POINTS AND COVERED A DISTANCE OF MORE THAN 300 MILES, AND HE DID IT ALL. HE DID CARDIO, PICKLEBALL, YOGA, SPIN, WALKING, RUNNING, EVERYTHING HE COULD TRACT, JAMIE DID IT, AND WE'RE SO HAPPY THAT HE DID. FOR WINNING FIRST PLACE, JAMIE, YOU WILL GET TODAY, WE PUT TOGETHER A NICE RECOVERY PACKAGE. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU AN ICE BATHTUB BECAUSE EVERYONE NEEDS A COLD DIP AFTER THEY WORK OUT, MASSAGE GUN, AND A FOAM ROLLER, AND THEN, OF COURSE, OUR AWESOME FIT CITY BACKPACK, BUT JAMIE, BECAUSE YOU WON TWO YEARS IN A ROW, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO FORMALLY DEDICATE OUR MR. FIT CITY DESIGNATION TO YOU. YOU ARE MR. FIT CITY 2024. JAMIE IS THE POSTER CHILD FOR FIT CITY, AND WE LOVE IT. HE DOES ALL THE GREAT THINGS, AND HE ENGAGES WITH US, AND HE RALLIES THE COMMUNITY TO DO THAT. JAMIE, WITH THAT, IS A THREE-MONTH GUEST PASS TO CHAMPIONS CLUB. THAT'LL BE IN YOUR BAG AND WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOU IN THERE FOR THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, BUT THIS IS US, AND THIS IS FIT CITY. WE'RE SUPER EXCITED AGAIN THIS YEAR. I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT THE TEAM WAS. COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT EVERYBODY. WE'VE FOUND THE SECRET SAUCE, AND WE HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE, BUT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANYBODY UP HERE OR FOR MYSELF. >> NO QUESTIONS FROM ME, BUT JUST GREAT TEAM EFFORT, LIKE YOU SAID, THE WORD TEAM, BUT YOU-ALL TOOK THE LEAD IN PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, GETTING US ORGANIZED, KEEPING US ORGANIZED, AND WE HAD TO COME FROM BEHIND. WE WERE LOSING UNTIL THE LAST DAY. GREAT TEAM EFFORT. JAMIE, OF COURSE, AND CRISTINA, THANK YOU FOR DOING YOUR PART LEADING. YOU GOT A FEW MORE POINTS THAN I DID, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU-ALL JUMPING IN WITH BOTH FEET AND ALSO SHARING IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO KEEP THE REST OF THE TEAM GOING. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR OUR TEAM HERE? I THINK WE HAVE SOME PRIZES FOR EVERYONE WHO'S HERE, THE TOP 100. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A PICTURE. >> WE DO. THE TOP 100, WE HAVE A COIN FOR YOU, SO WE'LL MEET YOU GUYS IN THE LOBBY AFTER WE DO THIS, BUT LET'S DO A PICTURE WITH TOP 100 FIRST. >> PICTURE FIRST AND THEN COINS. >> YES. IF YOU WERE ON THE TOP 100, COME ON UP FOR A PICTURE. [BACKGROUND] >> ALL RIGHT YOU ALL. PLEASE MOVE THIS WAY TO THE LEFT. >> LET ME TAKE ANOTHER ANGLE. [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU.[APPLAUSE] >> ONE MORE FOR TOP THREE. [00:20:16] >> WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE MORE WITH THE TOP TWO. [BACKGROUND] [4. Southlake Target Industry Recruitment Task Force Update] >> NEXT UP IT IS ITEM NUMBER 4 FOR OUR WORK SESSION, THE SOUTHLAKE TARGET INDUSTRY RECRUITMENT TASK FORCE UPDATE, AND I'LL INTRODUCE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM DANIEL CORTEZ, WHO WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE. >> THANK YOU, MARY AND COUNCIL AND GALI. I FEEL SPENT AFTER SEEING ALL THAT MILEAGE THAT I SAW THERE. I FEEL LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNDER ACHIEVER, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS NEXT YEAR. I'M PROUD TO PRESENT TODAY'S UPDATE ON SOME OF THE WORK THAT THE TARGET INDUSTRY RECRUITMENT TASK FORCE HAS BEEN DOING. AS A COUNCIL RECALLS, THIS TASK FORCE WAS INITIALLY PUT TOGETHER IN 2021 AND REAUTHORIZED IN 2023 FOR THE PURPOSE OF REALLY HELPING US IN OUR BUSINESS RECRUITMENT EFFORTS. THEIR PRIMARY ROLE, REALLY, AS WE LOOKED AT THE 2023 AND 2024, AND INTO 2025, IS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SERVE US AS GOOD AMBASSADORS FOR THE COMMUNITY. BY DOING THAT, WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD A LOT OF THE INFORMATION NECESSARY TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY AND HELPING US CONDUCT SOME OF THESE BUSINESS RECRUITMENT EFFORTS FOR US. WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY LEARNED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, WHAT OUR NEEDS WERE AND WHAT RESOURCES WE HAD AVAILABLE. THE ROLE IS TO ALSO HELP US ESTABLISH THE RELATIONSHIPS AND ARRANGE INTRODUCTIONS FOR THE CITY BETWEEN BUSINESS OWNERS, CITY STAFF, AND VICE VERSA. IDENTIFY TARGET INDUSTRY BUSINESSES THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR RECRUITMENT, BUSINESSES THAT WE COULD FIND BENEFICIAL TO LOCATING HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. COMMUNICATE INFORMATION THAT THE CITY HAS, INCLUDING THOSE RESOURCES THAT WE ACTIVELY DISCUSSED EARLIER, AND DISCUSS THE LEADS JUST AS A GROUP, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS A GOOD FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING IS A GOOD FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY OVERALL. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE TO FULFILL THAT ROLE THAT THEY'VE BEEN SET OUT FOR IS WE'VE HAD SOME MEETINGS WITH THE TASK FORCE SINCE THE START OF THE FISCAL YEAR, AND WE REALLY FOCUSED IN ON EDUCATION, PROBABLY THE FIRST 4-6 MONTHS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION WITH OUR CFO AND THE TASK FORCE IN TERMS OF WHAT IT TAKES AND WHAT THE PROCESS LOOKS LIKE TO RECEIVE PUBLIC INVESTMENT FROM THE CITY. WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, TIMELINES, AND WHAT CONSIDERATIONS THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE AS THEY CONSIDER A POTENTIAL INCENTIVE AGREEMENT. BUT BEYOND THAT, WE ALSO WANTED TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT BUSINESSES ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY DO COME TO SOUTHLAKE TO LOOK FOR A POTENTIAL SITE OR TO OCCUPY AN EXISTING SPACE, AND THIS COULD BE ANYTHING FROM ZONING EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S IN PLACE, AND ALSO LIMITATIONS THAT THE CITY MAY HAVE IN PLACE ALREADY. THESE ARE ALL IMPORTANT BUSINESS DECISION FACTORS THAT A BUSINESSES WOULD NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE COMING INTO SOUTHLAKE. TO DATE, WE WERE ABLE TO CONDUCT A TOUR WITH THE LEADERSHIP AT VERY SPACE, JUST THIS LAST APRIL. WE CONDUCTED A TOUR THERE AT THAT FACILITY, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GET SOME FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE FROM THE FOLKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY CONDUCTING THE LEASES TO OCCUPY THE SPACES THAT WE NEED FILLED HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. DESPITE OUR OCCUPANCY RATES BEING PROBABLY AT ALL TIME HIGHS, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY OVERALL, THERE'S STILL SOME ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. I WOULD SAY THIS NOW AND AT ANY POINT, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO FILL THE SPACES THAT WE HAVE, BY RETAINING THE BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY STAY AND THEY GROW LOCALLY IS PROBABLY THE HARDEST TASK THAT WE HAVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. BUT IT'S GOOD FOR THE TASK FORCE AS AMBASSADORS HERE WITHIN THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW WHAT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE FACED WITH THE EXISTING SPACES THAT WE HAVE ON HAND. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE TASK FORCE SERVE AS OUR AMBASSADORS HERE FOR THE COMMUNITY, THAT THEY HAVE ALL THE TOOLS AT THEIR DISPOSAL AND ALL THE KNOWLEDGE SO THAT THEY CAN SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY, AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THESE TOURS. FURTHERMORE, WE'RE GOING TO BE CONDUCTING A COUPLE OF OTHER TOURS AND ALSO HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF OUR LARGER PROPERTY OWNERS HERE IN TOWN. AS YOU CAN TELL HERE FROM THE SLIDE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TOUR OF KIRKWOOD OAKS ACTUALLY TOMORROW AFTERNOON SPECIFICALLY. WE'LL BE MEETING WITH SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL BROKERS THERE ON SITE. THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT THE SPACE, [00:25:01] AND KIRKWOOD OAKS, FOR THE COUNCIL, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, IT'S THE FORMER SABER 2 BUILDING THAT'S UP THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE THE CITY. WE'LL ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THE KIMBALL PARK OFFICES, INCLUDING DISTRICT 114, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE EXPERIENCING HIGH OCCUPANCY RATES, THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN THAT A BUSINESS THAT THEY OUTGROW THIS SPACE THAT THEY MAY NOT LOOK AT ANOTHER COMMUNITY TO MAYBE GROW A LITTLE BIT BETTER OR FIND A BETTER LEASE RATE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURE AND WE HAVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THOSE BUSINESSES AND THOSE TENANTS THAT ARE WITHIN THESE SPACES TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY ARE IN A POSITION OF GROWTH THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY TRY TO STAY HERE IN SOUTH, IF THEY ARE LOOKING ELSEWHERE OUTSIDE OF THEIR BUILDING. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO, LIKE I SAID, MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOOD DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF THOSE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE IN TOWN, NAMELY KITE REALTY. AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, KITE REALTY IS THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND ALSO PROPERTY MANAGEMENT IF YOU'RE HERE FOR SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE. BUT THEIR REACH GOES WAY BEYOND SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE. THEY ALSO OWN GATEWAY PLAZA, THE KIMBALL SHOPPING CENTER WHERE HOMEGOODS IS AT, AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PROPERTIES HERE IN SOUTHLAKE WITH COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES IN THEM. THEY ARE BIG STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN TOWN. THE OTHER PART THAT YOU DON'T SEE IN HERE IS THAT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE HAVING THE TASK FORCE SERVE AS ADVISORS TO US IN THE FORM OF WHAT WE HAVE FOR OUR MARKETING EFFORTS THAT WE CURRENTLY PUSH OUT FOR BUSINESS RECRUITMENT IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONVEYING THE RIGHT MESSAGES. THE TASK FORCE IS MADE UP OF EXECUTIVES THAT LIVE HERE IN TOWN AND ALSO BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MATERIALS THAT WE'RE PRODUCING AND THEM AS DECISION MAKERS THAT IT IS THE RIGHT INFORMATION THAT THEY POTENTIALLY SEE AS THE RIGHT INFORMATION FOR US TO BE GETTING OUT THERE AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR IMAGE IS BEST OUT THERE. BECAUSE WE ARE COMPETING, WE DO HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE IN TODAY'S ECONOMY, EVEN THOUGH DFW IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE TOP TWO ECONOMIES, MAYBE BESIDES NEW YORK CITY. WE'VE ENJOYED GROWTH OVER THE LAST, 10, 15, 20 YEARS. BUT THOSE THINGS DON'T ALWAYS CONTINUE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY ON TOP OF OUR GAME, AND THAT WE CONTINUED TO BE AN ATTRACTIVE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES AND NOT ONLY ATTRACT ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES, BUT CONTINUE TO KEEP THE BUSINESSES THAT WE DO HAVE AND ENSURE THAT THEY GROW HERE LOCALLY. WITH THAT, THERE'S JUST A QUICK UPDATE OF WHAT WE HAD FOR THE TASK FORCE. I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE OR ANYTHING MORE SPECIFIC. >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR CORTEZ. IT'S NOT A QUESTION, BUT I LOVE THE GREAT NEWS, AND I WROTE DOWN. YOU SAID, TOP OF OUR GAME, WE REALLY ARE. I THINK AT THE TOP OF OUR GAME, IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE OUT THERE AMONGST OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE SAME THINGS WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND CREATIVE AND LOOKING FOR THINGS THAT MAYBE WE'VE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF SO KUDOS TO THE TASK FORCE FOR THAT. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT AND GIVE KUDOS TO COUNCIL MEMBER RANDY ROBBINS, WHO'S REALLY TAKEN THE LEAD IN A LOT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT I THINK ARE REALLY GOING TO BEAR FRUIT HERE THE REST OF THIS YEAR AND GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THAT, AND MUCH APPRECIATED. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? THANK YOU, CORTEZ. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. APPRECIATE IT. >> NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER 5 IN OUR WORK SESSION, [5. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session.] DISCUSSING ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. FOR THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, KATHY TALLY. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. FOR TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE ITEM 4A, APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 21ST, 2024 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ITEM 4B, EXCUSING THE ABSENCE OF COUNCIL MEMBER AMY TORRES-LEPP FROM THE JUNE 4TH AND JUNE 18TH, 2024, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. ITEM 4C, CANCEL THE JULY 2ND AND JULY 16TH, 2024 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. ITEM 4D, RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-020, AMENDING THE SOUTHLAKE YOUTH ACTION COMMISSION BY LAWS. ITEM 4E, CASE NUMBER ZA 24-0014, PLAT REVISION FOR LOT 13 R1R AND LOT 13 R2R. F. THROOP NUMBER 1511 EDITION, BEING A REVISION LOFT 13R1. F. THROOP 1511 ADDITION IN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 1301 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. ITEM 4F, APPROVE ZA 24-0020, SIDEWALK VARIANCE FOR 2479 RAINTREE DRIVE, ON A PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 18, SOUTH FREEMAN, NUMBER 525 EDITION, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 2479 RAINTREE DRIVE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. ITEM 4G, ZA 24-0026 AND ZA 24-0027, [00:30:01] SIDEWALK VARIANCES FOR 1063 SOUTHWEST PARK CIRCLE AND 1052 NORTHWEST PARK CIRCLE ON PROPERTIES DESCRIBED AS TRACT 27, IG BELCHER, NUMBER 30 EDITION, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS, LOCATED AT 1063 SOUTHWEST PARK CIRCLE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. TRACT 7, IG BELCHER, NUMBER 30 EDITION, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS, LOCATED AT 1052 NORTHWEST PARK CIRCLE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. ITEM 4H, ORDINANCE NUMBER 1284, FIRST READING APPOINTING CAROL MONTGOMERY AS THE JUDGE OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT OF RECORD AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE. THEN I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER UP TO RECOMMEND ADDING TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM 9A, WHICH IS ZA 24-0008 SIDEWALK VARIANCE FOR 2500 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE ON A PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 53 F THROUGH NUMBER 1511 EDITION, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 2500 KIMBALL AVENUE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. >> THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TALLY. DOES ANYONE NEED ANY PRESENTATIONS OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING ON CONSENT, INCLUDING MOVING 9A FROM REGULAR TO CONSENT? WE'LL TAKE THAT UP DURING OUR REGULAR SESSION. NEXT, I WILL CALL OUR REGULAR SESSION TO ORDER AND [1. Call to order.] [2.A. Executive Session (Part 1 of 2)] THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IN THE REGULAR SESSION IS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. AS MAYOR, I HEREBY ADVISE YOU THAT WE ARE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, PURSUANT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 551 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, AND SECTIONS 551.071 TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY AND SECTION 551.072 TO DELIBERATE REGARDING REAL PROPERTY MATTERS. CITY MANAGER ORTOWSKI, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK WE'LL BE? >> ABOUT FORTY FIVE MINUTES. >> FORTY FIVE MINUTES. WE'LL BE BACK JUST BEFORE 7:00 PM. WE'LL SEE YOU THEN. >> I'LL CALL OUR REGULAR MEETING BACK TO ORDER. [2.B. Reconvene (Part 1 of 2)] IS THERE ANY ACTION NECESSARY FOLLOWING EXECUTIVE SESSION? >> NO, MAYOR. >> THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS THE MAYOR'S REPORT, AND NOTHING SCHEDULED FOR THAT. ITEM 3B, CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. [3.B. City Manager's Report] >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO ASK RECORDS MANAGER MICHELLE DEVOS TO STEP FORWARD. SHE IS GOING TO PROVIDE THE COUNCIL WITH AN OVERVIEW OF A PROJECT THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING ON OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT HAS BEEN LED OUT OF THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE. THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH SOME OF OUR LARGER DEPARTMENTS TO SCAN AND GET ARCHIVED SOME VERY LARGE MAPS AND OTHER HISTORICAL RECORDS. SO I'M GOING TO LET HER. I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE AWAY ALL YOUR DETAILS, MICHELLE. >> THAT IS, AND THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M MICHELLE DEVOS, RECORDS MANAGER IN THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE. AND LIKE ALISON SAID, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO GIVE YOU A UPDATE ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IN REGARDS TO SCANNING PERMANENT PLANS AND MAPS. HERE WE GO. THE CITY HAD MANY LARGE PLANS AND MAPS THAT NEEDED DIGITIZING. WE BEGAN A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO BY ASSESSING PERMANENT PUBLIC WORKS MAPS, GIS, HISTORICAL MAPS, AND FIRE BUILDING PLANS, AND DETERMINE HOW TO BEST PRESERVE THOSE AND MEET THE GOALS AND NEEDS OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS. OUR GOALS BEGAN WITH ASSURING THE CITY WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARY ARCHIVES COMMISSION GUIDELINES BY MAINTAINING PERMANENT RECREATES. WE WORKED ON PROTECTING HUNDREDS OF GIS HISTORICAL MAPS DIGITALLY, AND EVEN SCANNED A MAP FROM THE FIRST WATER SUPPLY LINES IN 1965, WHICH IS THAT FIRST MAP THERE I WAS REALLY COOL TO FIND. IN ADDITION, THE CITY HAD PLANS LOCATED IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS LIKE TOWN HALL AND IN THE PUBLIC WORKS OPERATION FACILITIES THAT AT TIMES WERE NOT EASY TO FIND. OUR GOAL WAS TO CENTRALIZE THESE DOCUMENTS INTO ONE DIGITAL LOCATION WHERE NOW STAFF CAN LOCATE MAPS ON THEIR LAPTOPS OR EVEN ON THEIR IPADS WHEN OUT IN THE FIELD, WHICH THEY CAN PULL UP MORE EFFICIENTLY, AND WHEN IT COMES TO WATER ISSUES, THAT'S VERY BENEFICIAL. ANOTHER GOAL OF OURS WAS TO FIND OFFICE SPACE FOR EMPLOYEES IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. WE WERE ABLE TO SCAN AND DESTROY LARGE AMOUNTS OF PAPER, AND WE WERE ABLE TO ADD THREE NEW OFFICES FOR STAFF. OUR PROJECT ALLOW THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE TO COLLABORATE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT ON ENSURING QUALITY CONTROL OF WHAT RECORDS NEEDED TO BE INCLUDED FOR OUR FUTURE. BY HAVING MULTIPLE WORK DAYS, THE TEAMS WERE ABLE TO ANALYZE SORT REVIEW THE CONTENTS OF BOXES, OF PLANS, PAPERS, AND REPORTS. IN ADDITION, BOTH DEPARTMENTS EFFORTS, WE BEGUN TO PUT IN PLACE NEW CHANGE MANAGEMENT WHEN IT COMES TO RECORDS IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. [00:35:01] A PROCESS IMPROVEMENT FOR MAINTAINING THOSE RECORDS INCLUDES NAMING CONVENTIONS, FOLDER STRUCTURE, AND IMPLEMENTING METADATA ON THOSE RECORDS. THESE NUMBERS CAN SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE CITY? WHAT PREVIOUSLY TOOK UP VALUABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE SPACE IS NOW SEARCHABLE ON A SCREEN AND IS AT THE ACCESSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS AT THE SAME TIME. WE HAVE SCANNED OVER 3,300 DOCUMENTS, AND EQUIVALENT OF 90,000 PAGES INTO THE CITY'S PERMANENT REPOSITORY AND IS RETRIEVABLE NOW IN MINUTES. FOR EXAMPLE, PREVIOUSLY, IF STAFF WAS LOOKING FOR A RECORD, WE HAD TO NOT ONLY SEARCH THROUGH PAPER FILES, BUT SOMETIMES THOSE RECORDS MIGHT BE STORED OFF SITE AT OUR FACILITY. WE WOULD HAVE TO CALL THEM, AND IT TOOK 1-2 DAYS TO MAYBE GET THE RECORDS BROUGHT TO US. AND THAT IS IF OUR INVENTORY SHEET WAS CORRECT AND HAD THE RIGHT PLAN IN THAT BOX. SOMETIMES WE WOULD HAVE TO START OUR PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN. BUT NOW, BECAUSE THE GOOD NEWS IS, WITH PROJECTS LIKE THIS, THAT IS BECOMING A THING OF THE PAST. DIGITIZING OUR ON AND OFF SITE RECORDS. TRANSITIONING TO A PAPER LIGHT WORKPLACE REDUCES THE RISK OF MISPLACED DATA OR EVEN LOSS AND OPTIMIZES EFFICIENCY BY QUICKLY RETRIEVING RECORDS FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. BY CONTINUING TO DO PROJECTS LIKE THIS, THE CITY IS NOT ONLY KEEPING WITH THE PRINCIPLES OF RECORD INFORMATION MANAGEMENT, BUT WE ARE IMPLEMENTING ALL THE CITY'S VALUES AS WELL. INTEGRITY, INNOVATION, ACCOUNTABILITY, COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE, AND TEAMWORK, WE'RE ALL ENCOMPASSING ON OUR MISSION OF THIS PROJECT. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO FINISHING THIS PROJECT AND HELPING OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITH SIMILAR TYPES OF NEEDS, AND THANKS TO THE CITY FOR THE RESOURCES AND OPPORTUNITY TO DO JUST THAT. LASTLY, ABOVE, YOU CAN SEE ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS ENJOYING HIS NEW OFFICE SPACE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE FOR HIM. AND THAT'S IT. IF ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. NO QUESTIONS FOR ME, BUT GREAT WORK. I KNOW IT'S A THANKLESS JOB, BUT THANK YOU FOR DOING IT BECAUSE IT WAS WAY PAST DUE, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE JUST NEEDED TO DO. SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE LEAD ON THAT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? >> WELL, IT'S GOT TO BE ONE OF THE, LEAST SEXIEST JOBS OUT THERE TO DO [LAUGHTER] WHAT YOU ALL DID. SO VERY IMPRESSIVE, ESPECIALLY RECLAIMING THREE OFFICES. THAT'S AMAZING. >> THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU SPEAK TO IS THERE ANYTHING SUPER INTERESTING THAT YOU FOUND IN TERMS OF A MAP OR A DOCUMENT? CAN YOU JUST GIVE US MAYBE ONE EXAMPLE? >> WELL, THE 1965 MAP WAS REALLY VERY OLD. AND SO WE'RE GLAD THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY SCANNED IN TO PRESERVE, BUT WE FOUND A LOT OF COOL THINGS. EVEN OLD AND PEOPLE'S OFFICES HAD SOME OLD NEWSLETTERS AND EMPLOYEE NEWSLETTERS, AND SO THE FIRST TOWN HALL, THE CREATION OF TOWN SQUARE WAS IN THE NEWSLETTER FROM YEAR 2000, AND THAT WAS REALLY FUN TOO. WE FOUND A LOT OF FUN STUFF THAT COULD MAYBE BE PUT IN A MUSEUM ONE DAY. >> HI, MICHELLE, IF YOU'D BE CAREFUL THOUGH REFERENCING THOSE 1960S DOCUMENTS IS HOW OLD THEY ARE BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE TO METAL IN HERE, SO. [LAUGHTER] >> YOU'RE RIGHT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT UP IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA] COUNSEL REVIEWED THE LIST OF CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS IN OUR WORK SESSION, AND ALSO WE'RE ADDING ITEM 9A FROM OUR REGULAR AGENDA TO CONSENT AGENDA. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THAT? SEE, NONE. WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, INCLUDING ITEM 9A. >> YES, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 4A THROUGH 4H. ALSO NOTING THAT WE'RE ADDING AND APPROVING ITEM 9A FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA, WHICH IS ZA24-0008, SIDEWALK VARIANCE FOR 2,500 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE. OUR PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 53 F THRO NUMBER 1511 ADDITION, CITY OF SOUTH LAKE TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 2,500 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, SOUTH LAKE, TEXAS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> CAST YOUR VOTES. >> THE CONSENT AGENDA PASSES SIX, ZERO. NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER 5. PUBLIC FORM. THE PUBLIC FORM ALLOWS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO BRING ITEMS AND DISCUSSION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA TONIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING A MATTER THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT? SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM. NEXT UP, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER HERE. WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH ITEM 6C, [6.C. Ordinance No. 480-814, ZA24-0009, 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Lambert Home Headquarters, on property described as Tract 6C, Thomas M. Hood Survey Abstract 705, and Lot 3A, Block 1, Parkway Office Center Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 1700 N. White Chapel Blvd. and 190 W. SH 114, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. Requested Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #3. PUBLIC HEARING] ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-814, CASE NUMBER ZA24-009? [00:40:04] THIS IS THE SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR LAMBERT HOME HEADQUARTERS. WE THINK THIS ONE WILL BE FAIRLY SHORT, AND THEY WERE HERE VERY LATE AT THE LAST MEETING, SO WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE IT OUT BY GIVING THEM THE FIRST SLOT HERE THIS EVENING. WE HAVE A COMMENT CARD. WHERE IS THAT ONE? IS GREG CALHOUN HERE? DOESN'T SAY WHICH ITEM NUMBER HE WANTED TO SPEAK ON OR DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD SUPPORT. WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT HE'S SUPPORTING, BUT IF ANYONE KNOWS GREG CALHOUN WANTS TO REACH OUT TO HIM. WE HAVE HIS COMMENT CARD. WE JUST DON'T HAVE AN ITEM NUMBER. DIRECTOR KILOW, ON ITEM 6C. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THAT'S A REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1700 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL AND 190 WEST STATE HIGHWAY 114. IT'S A REQUEST CHANGE ZONING FROM ITS CURRENT S-P-1 ZONING TO AN S-P-2 ZONING. IT INCLUDES A UNDEVELOPED TRACT OF LAND AND THEN A PRE EXISTING TWO BUILDING OFFICE COMPLEX. THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE SITE. THE CURRENT ZONING, AGAIN, IS S-P-1, REQUESTED ZONING S-P-2. THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORY. THESE ARE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT AFFECT THAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA. THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT PRIMARILY IMPACT THIS PARTICULAR SIDE OR ENCOURAGING CROSS CONNECTIVITY WITH ADJOINING PROPERTIES TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINTS TO THE 114 FRONTAGE ROAD, AND THEN ADDRESS SURFACE PARKING SUCH THAT IT HAS MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE 114 VIEW CORRIDOR. THIS IS A CURRENTLY APPROVED SITE PLAN AND RENDERING ON THE PROPERTY UNDER ITS CURRENT S-P-1 ZONING. THIS INCLUDED A FOUR FLOOR OFFICE BUILDING WITH SOME UNDER BUILDING PARKING. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. ON THE LEFT PART OF THE SCREEN ARE THE TWO EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT WILL REMAIN IN PLACE, AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS SITE PLAN ARE PHASE 1 BUILDING, WHICH IS PROPOSED AT APPROXIMATELY 12,000 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN A 3,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL BUILDING TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FIRST PHASE BUILDING. AS A NOTE, THAT PHASE 2 BUILDING WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOMMENDATION AND THEN CITY COUNCIL FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL PRIOR TO PERMIT BEING ISSUED. THIS IS A BLOW UP OF THE PHASE 1, PHASE 2, NEW BUILDINGS ON SITE, AND A LIST OF PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. IT'LL FOLLOW PRIMARILY C-2 USES WITH A FEW C-3 USES. PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED ACROSS THE SITE AT ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA. NO BUFFER YARDS FOR THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT JUST DUE TO EXISTING CONDITIONS, IT WILL REMAIN MAINTAINED AS IT CURRENTLY IS. NO SCREENING TO BE PROVIDED ALONG THE NORTH BOUNDARY, GIVEN THE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND AT SOME POINT, DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY. THERE IS A REQUEST TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM DISTANCE OF TRASH ENCLOSURE FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT DOES CURRENTLY EXIST ON THE TRACK TO THE NORTH. THE MINIMUM IS 50 FOOT, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING IT TO BE JUST OUTSIDE THE BUFFER AREA. APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO KEEP 35% OF THE TREE COVER. IN A TYPICAL STANDARD DISTRICT, 70% OF THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, BUT GIVEN THE LOCATION OF WHERE THOSE TREES ARE, IT'S WHERE THE MAIN BUILDING PAD SITE AND PARKING AREAS WOULD BE REQUIRED. THEY ARE REQUESTING VARIANCE TO THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE, IN PARTICULAR, FOR THE TWO EXISTING DRIVEWAYS THAT EXIST ON THE 114 FRONTAGE. THEY ARE PROPOSED TO EXIST AS A CURRENTLY ARE. [00:45:01] THESE ARE THE LIMITED PROPOSED USES THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING. IT WILL PRIMARILY FOLLOW THE C-2 DISTRICT AND WILL PERMIT ALL O-1 OFFICE USES, AND THEN THIS PARTICULAR LIST OF USES PICKED FROM THE C-2 AND C-3 DISTRICTS. ONE OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT THEY SPECIFICALLY ELIMINATE COUPLE USES IN PARTICULAR LAUNDRY MATS, DRY CLEANERS, AND THAT THEY REFINE A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF USES OUT OF THAT C-2 DISTRICT. THIS IS A PROPOSED COLOR RENDERING OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND PROPOSED ELEVATION OF THE PHASE 1 BUILDING AND A RENDERING OF THAT BUILDING FROM THE 114 VIEW, AND PERSPECTIVE FROM WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD. THIS WOULD BE FACING NORTH. THIS IS CONCEPT FOR THE SECOND PHASE. ONCE AGAIN, SITE PLAN WOULD BE EVALUATED AGAINST WHAT'S PROVIDED IN THIS PLAN AND CONCEPTS. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM PEOPLE IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA. THIS IS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED FIRST READING 70, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT AND PLAN PRESENTED AT YOUR LAST MEETING. WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILOW. ANY QUESTIONS FOR, DENNIS? THANK YOU, SIR. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A FULL PRESENTATION, OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO TAKE QUESTIONS OR MAYBE EVEN TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUSINESS ITSELF. BUT GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> JACOB COGGINS ADDRESS 6406 REDSTONE DRIVE, ARLINGTON, TEXAS. WE DO HAVE A FULL PRESENTATION. I KNOW YOU HAVE A FULL AGENDA THOUGH. I CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE ABOUT THE BUSINESS. ANSWER QUESTIONS MIGHT BE. MY CLIENT IS LAMBERT HOME. THEY'RE A LONGSTANDING BUSINESS HERE IN SOUTH LAKE. THEY DO INTERIOR DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, AND THEY HAVE A RETAIL SHOP OVER OFF OF SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD, THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW. THEY'VE GROWN STEADILY OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS HAVE DONE REALLY WELL. EVEN THROUGH COVID, THEIR BUSINESS HAS CONTINUED TO INCREASE AND THERE IS AT THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE BUSTING AT THE SEAMS, AND HERE WE ARE PRESENTING THIS IN FRONT OF A. PART OF THEIR FUTURE ENDEAVORS ARE ADDITIONAL BRANDING. ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE IS A CAFE, [INAUDIBLE] CALL IT THE GREENHOUSE, WHICH IS, LET ME SEE. SORRY. >> THERE WE GO. THE GREENHOUSE. THIS WOULD BE FACED IN JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM CAROLON PARK, AND WE WENT THROUGH ON THE LAST FEW THROUGH P&Z AND THROUGH THE COUNCIL. WE FELT LIKE THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD COMPLIMENT TO THAT DEVELOPMENT AND SCALE SIZE AND USE. THIS IS THE NEW ENDEAVOR FOR THEM, IT'S CALLED THE GREENHOUSE, WHICH WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THE WAY THAT IT CAME OUT. IN THE FUTURE, THEY'LL HAVE THE ADDITIONAL BRANDING THAT THEY'LL HAVE PART OF SOME ADDITIONAL LIKE CHILDREN'S BOUTIQUE AND OTHER PARTS OF THEIR RETAIL BUSINESS. THAT'S THE PHASE 2 THAT WE WOULD BRING BACK TO YOU ALL FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION ON THAT 3,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL BUILDING THAT WOULD ENCLOSE THE REST OF THE COURTYARD AND CREATE JUST AN OVERALL SPACE. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THE DESIGN, WE'VE ROTATED THE BUILDING SO THAT THE ENTRANCE FACES NORTH, NOT SOUTH, WHICH IS HIGHWAY 114. BUT AS WE SAID AT P&Z, WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE A BACK DOOR THAT FACES HIGHWAY 114 AND DOESN'T LOOK NICE. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE WAY THIS LOOKS FOR NOT ONLY THE CLIENT, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY CONSCIOUS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. ON THE NORTH SIDE, THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE ELEVATION, WHICH IS ALSO THE ENTRY. WE WANTED TO SCREEN THE ENTRY FROM HIGHWAY 114 FOR THE NOISE AND THE AESTHETIC, BUT ALSO JUST TO CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY. ALSO WITH THE GREENHOUSE, YOU COULD COME IN AND DRINK A CUP OF COFFEE BEFORE YOU GO AND ENJOY THE INTERIOR ENVIRONMENT OF THE RETAIL SHOP. JUST OVERALL, IT'S AN EXTENSION OF THEIR LONG STANDING GROWING BUSINESS, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. >> GREAT. DOES COUNCIL NEED TO SEE THE APPLICANTS PRESENTATION OR ARE WE GOOD? I'M SURE IT'S A GREAT PRESENTATION, BUT I THINK YOU'RE DOING JUST FINE. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. >> MAYOR. CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU FOR THE DESCRIPTION BECAUSE I THINK [00:50:01] SOME OF US WERE WONDERING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. DID YOU SAY IT'S INTERIOR DESIGN AND LIKE A RENOVATION. THEY DO INTERIOR RENOVATION AS WELL? >> YEAH. SO THEY HAVE SEVERAL DIVISIONS OF THEIR BUSINESS. THEY HAVE A RETAIL SHOP AT HIGHWAY 114 WHERE THEY HAVE HOME GOODS THAT THEN CAN BE IMPLEMENTED INTO THEY HAVE AN INTERIOR DESIGN STUDIO, WHICH IS LED BY ONE OF THE SISTERS, SARAH. SHE'S A LICENSED INTERIOR DESIGNER, SO THEY DO HOME INTERIOR DESIGN AND LIGHT COMMERCIAL. BUT THEN THEY ALSO HAVE A CONSTRUCTION DIVISION THAT CAN BRING ALL THAT TOGETHER AND JUST SEE THAT VISION ALL THE WAY THROUGH. THEY WERE RECENTLY ON THE COVER OF SOUTH LAKE SOCIAL, SO THE LAMBERT HOME COVER THAT'S THEM. >> CORRECT. >> YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS. BUT IF YOU WERE A CUSTOMER WALKING IN THERE, WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT TO SEE? WILL THERE BE HOME SCAPES AND EXAMPLES OF DESIGNS THEY DO, OR I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT IT WILL LOOK. WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO IN THERE? >> IN THE RETAIL STORE NOW, THEY HAVE ALL THEIR HOME GOODS THAT YOU COULD SELECT AND PURCHASE AS THEY ARE, BUT THEY DO HAVE, CURRENTLY, THEY HAVE SOME SMALL SETUPS BECAUSE THEIR SHOP IS BUSTING UP THE SCAMS. WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE HERE IS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. AS YOU GO TO IKEA, THEY DO HAVE SOME HOME SETUPS. IT'D BE NOT IKEA, BUT I THINK I HEARD HER SQUIRMING BACK THERE. THAT'S THE BEST EXAMPLE I COULD GIVE YOU IS THAT- >> NOTHING LIKE IKEA. WE GOT. [LAUGHTER]. YEAH. BUT THEY WOULD HAVE HOME SETTINGS THAT WOULD HAVE THEIR PRODUCTS TO BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING. >> OKAY. >> WE ALSO DO HAVE A DISPLAY KITCHEN THAT'S PART OF THAT. WHEN THEY BUILD THEIR FURNITURE AND THEY BUILD THEIR CABINETS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THEIR DISPLAY KITCHEN THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE ATMOSPHERE OF THAT AND GET COFFEE AND OTHER THINGS THERE. >> YEAH, THE CAFE IS FASCINATING. I'M CURIOUS AND BE INTERESTED TO WATCH THIS ALL EVOLVE. >> YEAH, SO WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND BUILDING PERMIT CONTINGENT UPON APPROVALS AND ALL THAT. WE KNOW, BUT PUT A LOT OF HEART AND SOUL INTO IT. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO SEE IT COME TO FRUITION PENDING APPROVAL. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. >> ARE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I THINK THE WORD THEY WERE LOOKING FOR IS VIGNETTE? PERHAPS. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. NO IKEA. [BACKGROUND] >> THAT WAS THE BEST EXAMPLE I THOUGHT WE COULD ALL USE. YEAH. >> THERE YOU GO. >> I'LL GET IN TROUBLE LATER FOR THAT. >> YEAH I THINK YOU'RE ALREADY. >> YEAH. >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, PROBABLY FOR DENNIS. I DIDN'T GET OUT QUICK ENOUGH. ON THE TREE, ARE WE GO TO REQUIRE ANY MORE TREES ANY PLACE ELSE? I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE'RE WAY BELOW WHAT WE NORMALLY REQUIRE. ARE WE GOING TO REFORCE THIS AT ALL FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM? >> I CAN SPEAK TO OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WOULD HELP. >> CERTAINLY, I'LL DEFER TO HIM. THE LANDSCAPE RENDERING SHOWS THE ADDITIONAL PLANT MATERIAL THAT WOULD GO IN THE INTERIOR LANDSCAPE PARKING ISLANDS AS WELL AS ON THE PERIMETER ALONG 114. >> DOES THAT STILL GET YOU UP TO THE 35% THOUGH? OR IS THAT BEYOND THE 35%? >> [NOISE] AT MATURE GROWTH, IT MAY REACH THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF COVER. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CURRENTLY, THE TREES THAT ARE THERE ARE VERY LARGE. THERE'S NOT VERY MANY OF THEM, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LARGE TREES, BUT THEY'RE JUST REALLY IN POOR AREAS. ON THE CURRENT PROJECT THAT IS APPROVED THROUGH ZONING, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY MATCHED THE OVERALL SITE LAYOUT. WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 2018 TO REMOVE, WE'LL BE REMOVING THOSE EXACT SAME TREES. BUT WE HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF REALLY PUTTING TREES AND PLANT MATERIAL WHEREVER WE COULD. I THINK IT'S PRETTY WELL LANDSCAPED, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBERS THOUGH, I'M SORRY. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [OVERLAPPING]. ALL RIGHT, THIS ITEM REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS. FIRST IS DON LAMBERT, 1011, SPANISH TRAIL, KELLER, TEXAS. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD SUPPORT. JESSICA BEG TELL, 11325 PARK VISTA BOULEVARD, NUMBER 2251 IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD SUPPORT. ELLEN KAIZAL 2104 FOREST PARK BOULEVARD, BARTMAN 12 IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD SUPPORT. DARBY JENKINS, 6004 MAYBROOK DRIVE IN NORTH RICHLAND HILLS. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD SUPPORT. KATIE LAMBERT 2787 EAST SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD, NUMBER 105 IN SOUTH LAKE, TEXAS. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD MY SUPPORT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK EITHER IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION ON THIS ITEM? ITEM 6C? SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL HAVE ANY DISCUSSION OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILOW OR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE? I THINK WE ARE READY FOR A MOTION FROM MAYOR PRO TEM. [00:55:03] >> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6C, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-814ZA 24-0009, SECOND READING, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR LAMBERT HOME HEADQUARTERS. I PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 6C, THOMAS M HOOD SURVEY, ABSTRACT 705 AND LOT 31, BLOCK 1, PARKWAY OFFICE CENTER ADDITION. IN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE, TARRANT COUNT, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 1,700 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD AND 190 WEST STATE HIGHWAY 114, SOUTH LAKE, TEXAS. THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 28, 2024, AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2, DATED MAY 3RD, 2024. NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN AND CHANGING THE ZONING FROM SP1, DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT TO SP2, GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT, AND WE'RE APPROVING THE REQUESTED DRIVEWAY VARIANCES, USES, AND REGULATIONS AS PROPOSED TONIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. THAT ITEM PASSES 6, 0. CONGRATULATIONS. >> GO BUILD THOSE VIGNETTES. >> NEXT UP, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ITEM 6A AND 6B TOGETHER. [Items 6.A. & 6.B. (Part 1 of 2)] ITEM 6A IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 169-C, CASE NUMBER CP 24-0002, SECOND READING, AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR BRUMLOW EAST, AND ITEM 6B IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-813, CASE NUMBER ZA 24-0007. SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BRUMLOW EAST, WE'LL PRESENT THESE TOGETHER, BUT WE'LL HAVE SEPARATE VOTES ON THEM WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE NEW TO OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS. WE TYPICALLY RUN THEM ALMOST LIKE A COURT ROOM. SO NO APPLAUSE, EVEN THOUGH WE JUST HAD APPLAUSE, NO BOOING OR HECKLING, OF COURSE. EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK WILL GET THEIR CHANCE TO SPEAK. WE'LL START OFF WITH THE STAFF PRESENTATION, THEN THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION, AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, LIKE WE JUST HAD THAT ACTUALLY, NOBODY SPOKE AT, BUT EVERYONE WHO'S HERE WILL GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK. SO, DIRECTOR KILOW ON 6A AND 6B. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. AS YOU SAID, THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE CITY'S LAND USE PLAN, CHANGING A PORTION OF SITE FROM INDUSTRIAL LAND USE TO MIXED USE, ALSO A CHANGE OF ZONING, CHANGING PROPERTY FROM AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT TO TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1719 EAST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD. HAS FRONTAGE ALONG 1451, 1535 AND 1537 BRUMLOW AVENUE. THIS IS THE CURRENT LAND USE PLAN FOR THE AREA, BOUNDARY OF THE PROJECT SHOWN IN THE BLACK AND YELLOW AREA SHOWN IN YELLOW IS A PROPOSED TO BE AMENDED FROM THE CURRENT INDUSTRIAL LAND USE CATEGORY TO MIXED USE, WHICH WOULD MATCH THE FRONTAGE AREAS ALONG BOTH BRUMLOW AND CONTINENTAL. THIS WOULD BE THE AMENDED LAND USE MAP. SHOULD APPROVAL BE TAKEN ON THIS. THIS IS A GENERAL RECOMMENDED MIX, WHICH IS QUITE FLEXIBLE BETWEEN RETAIL OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL OPEN SPACE, AND CIVIC USES WITHIN THAT MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORY. IT ALSO DOES PERMIT INDUSTRIAL USES WITH STIPULATIONS THAT IT BE WHOLLY ENCLOSED AND NOT OF INTENSE CHARACTER. CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS AGRICULTURAL. AS MENTIONED, THE REQUESTED ZONING IS TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT OR THE TZD DISTRICT. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE. AND THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING IN A SOUTHEASTERLY DIRECTION AT THE CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD FRONTAGE. ON THE RIGHT HAND PORTION OF THIS PHOTO WOULD BE THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROJECT, AND IN THE BACKGROUND WOULD BE THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROJECT. AND THIS IS A VIEW FROM BRUMLOW AVENUE. THIS IS AT THE WEESTERLY CORNER OF THIS FRONTAGE OF BRUMLOW, AND THAT'S LOOKING ALSO IN A SOUTHEASTERN EASTERN DIRECTION ON THE FRONTAGE. THIS IS THE PROPOSED MIX WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT INCLUDES 56 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND ROUGHLY [01:00:06] 70,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICE FLEX WAREHOUSE SPACE. >> THIS IS A DETAIL OF THE PROPOSED OFFICE WAREHOUSE COMPONENT. THIS WOULD ABOUT PROPERTY ALSO DESIGNATED FOR MIXED USE AND INDUSTRIAL AND ALSO THE PLANNED FUTURE MUNICIPAL SERVICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER. THIS IS AN ENLARGED VIEW OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS. THIS IS THE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN AND THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN. THIS IS UPDATED DRAINAGE MAP SHOWING THE EXISTING DRAINAGE AND UPDATED PROPOSED DRAINAGE PLAN. >> DIRECTOR KILLOUGH ON THE DRAINAGE, IT GOES FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, I GUESS, NORTH TO SOUTH. IS THAT HOW IT RUNS? >> CORRECT. YES. THESE ARE PROPOSED CHARACTERISTIC RENDERINGS OF THE RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED. THIS IS SOME REPRESENTATIVE CHARACTER IMAGES OF THE OFFICE FLEX SPACE THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED. THIS PARTICULAR COMPONENT UNDER THE TZD DISTRICT WOULD REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL BEFORE PERMITTING FOR ANY OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WITHIN THE DISTRICT. THESE IMAGES, AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD BE USED AS A GUIDE FOR CONSIDERATION OF ANY APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLANS. THIS IS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSE MAP. THOSE AREAS SHOWN IN RED ARE RESPONSES THAT HAVE COME IN IN OPPOSITION AND GREEN, THOSE THAT HAVE RESPONDED IN IN SUPPORT. CURRENTLY, THE SURROUNDING OPPOSITION WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER, WHICH IS THE BEIGE OUTLINE OF THE PROJECT THAT CAN POTENTIALLY AFFECT THE VOTE REQUIREMENT IN ORDER TO APPROVE IS CURRENTLY AT 6.2%. PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION WERE NOTING APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO PROVIDE SOME TRAFFIC CALMING ON THE STRETCH, RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH TOWARDS CONTINENTAL. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A LANDSCAPE FEATURE IN THE ROUGHLY MIDPOINT OF THAT SECTION. UNDER THE FIRST READING CONSIDERATION BY CITY COUNCIL, THAT WAS APPROVED 5-2, DIRECTING THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF AND CITY ATTORNEY TO CRAFT A NOTE TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE PLATS OR CCAS OR ALSO CC & RS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE INTENSITY OF THE ADJACENT NON-RESIDENTIAL USES AROUND IT, INCLUDING THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER AND PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING TOWER. ALSO NOTING APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO COME TO SECOND READING WITH A MORE DETAILED LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH WAS PART OF THE PRESENTATION. ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO LOOK AT OPTIONS RELATED TO THE CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD AND HOW POTENTIALLY A DECELERATION LANE OR LEFT TURN LANE MIGHT BENEFIT FUNCTIONALITY OF THAT SECTION OF THE ROAD. THIS EVENING, WE'VE PASSED OUT A REPORT PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY OUR THIRD PARTY ENGINEER, AND GENERALLY, IT STATES THAT A LEFT TURN LANE WOULD BE WARRANTED IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE AND COULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS ITEM. THE CITY'S ENGINEER HAS ALSO ADDRESSED THAT IT DOES FALL TO BE ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL WITH THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE LAND USE PLAN, LIKEWISE, APPROVED AT 5-2, CHANGING THAT FROM THE INDUSTRIAL TO MIXED USE. [01:05:05] WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. DO YOU HAVE A SLIDE ON THE ADJACENT TEALWOOD PROPERTY OR OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE LOT SIZES? >> I BELIEVE I DO. YES. >> TEALWOOD IS THE ONE THAT'S JUST TO THE, I GUESS NORTHWEST CORNER OF WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT'S PROPOSED? >> THAT IS CORRECT, YES. >> AVERAGE IS THE 10,000? >> MINIMUM IS ACTUALLY 10,000. I THINK THE AVERAGE CALCULATES OUT AT ABOUT 10,340, SO VERY CLOSE TO 10,000. >> IT'S A TZD. >> YES. >> NOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING THE WATER AND THE DRAINAGE AND THAT FLOODPLAIN AREA. WHAT HAPPENS AS FAR AS AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH IT, IF IT'S APPROVED, AND IF THIS IS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY OR FOR THE APPLICANT, AS FAR AS, LIKE, FEMA APPROVALS? WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR ALL THAT AS FAR AS FURTHER REVIEW ON THE WATER ISSUE? >> SURE. THEN I MIGHT DEFER THAT TO DIRECTOR COHEN, PLEASE. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT MORE SPECIFICALLY. >> DIRECTOR COHEN. >> YES, SIR GOOD EVENING. BASICALLY, IT FALLS WITHIN THE FEMA'S GUIDELINES AND JURISDICTION. ORIGINALLY, WHAT WAS REVIEWED WAS WHAT WE CALL LETTER OF MAP REVISION, WHICH IS A FORMAL NOTIFICATION TO FEMA THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING FORWARD. THE DEVELOPER HAS TO EVALUATE THE WATER FLOW BEFORE AND AFTER, AND IF THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, THEN THEY HAVE TO INFORM FEMA OF POTENTIAL RECLAMATION, CONDITIONAL MAP REVISIONS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT REALLY FALLS DOWN WITHIN THE DEVELOPER AND FEMA. ALTHOUGH THE CITY ENGINEER IS THE FLOODPLAIN MANAGER SO HE WOULD BE BASICALLY MONITORING THAT SITUATION, AND WE'VE MET WITH THE DEVELOPER AND OUR DEVELOPMENT ENGINEER AS WELL, SO THEY'RE ALL AWARE OF WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE. >> THIS PROCESS IS TYPICAL WHERE THE CITY WOULD APPROVE, POSSIBLY A PLAN, AND THEN THE DEVELOPER OR APPLICANT TAKES THIS TO FEMA AND GETS THEIR FINAL APPROVAL ON IT ONCE IT'S DETERMINED WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, TO SEE IF ANY CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE OR WHATEVER, AND THAT'S THE TYPICAL PROCESS? >> YES, SIR. RIGHT NOW IS THEY WOULD MONITOR IT. WE MET WITH THE DEVELOPER BASICALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE ADJOINING DEVELOPMENT SITES WITH THE SERVICE CENTER. THE WATER SPECIALISTS AND THE ENGINEERS DETERMINED THAT AT THIS POINT, THERE IS NO IMPACT, BUT THEY'LL ALSO OBSERVE AND MONITOR AT THE POST CONSTRUCTION. AT THE POST CONSTRUCTION, IF THERE ARE ISSUES, THEN FEMA GETS NOTIFIED, AS WELL AS AN IMPACT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND OTHER ELEMENTS AS WELL. THERE'S A MONITORING PIECE THAT OCCURS BEFORE AND AFTER. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? >> YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YES, SIR. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH OR DIRECTOR COHEN AT THIS POINT? I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE, BUT ANYTHING RIGHT NOW? THANK YOU, GUYS. NEXT, WE'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP FOR A PRESENTATION. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN THE PODIUM IS YOURS. >> YES, SIR. MARTIN SHELLING 2665 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS 76092. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATION. I'M GOING TO FLIP THROUGH THIS AND GO TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED AT THE LAST MEETING, AND THEN WE HAVE THESE SLIDES IN HERE AND WE CAN GO BACK TO THEM. BUT I'M GOING TO GET DOWN TO FOUR OR FIVE QUESTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE FIRST MEETING. >> THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, THERE'S THREE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS ON HERE. ONE IS THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE. THE OTHER IS THIS OPEN SPACE AREA THAT IS AT THE NORTH END OF OUR PROJECT AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THESE THREE LOTS AT SIDE TO LOT 23. ON THE NORTH END, IF YOU REMEMBER, TEALWOOD, ELECTED TO PUT THEIR OPEN SPACE AT THE FRONT OF THEIR LOTS. BETWEEN THEIR LOTS AND CONTINENTAL, ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE, IT'S 10 FEET WIDE, THE MIDDLE IS 30, AND THEN THE EAST SIDE IS 58. WHAT WE DID IS BESIDES RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION UP THERE WE PUT A STRIP OF LAND THAT'S 28 FOOT DEEP AND THEN WHAT WE DID IS WE CUT PART OF THIS LOT ONE OFF, [01:10:05] WE CLIP THIS CORNER TO MATCH THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE NORTHEAST LOT FOR TEALWOOD AND AS WELL, THEY HAVE A FENCE THAT GOES BACK HERE. BUT THE FENCE THAT WE'LL PUT IN HERE WILL BE A MASONRY FENCE SO WE'LL CLIP THIS CORNER AND WE'LL MATCH THIS WE WON'T HAVE OUR LOT STICKING OUT IN FRONT OF THAT OTHER LOT. IT'LL BE A CLEANER TRANSITION, IT'LL LOOK MUCH MORE LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE IN FRONT HERE, SO THAT'S OUR PROPOSAL TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. THEN WE HAVE THESE THREE LOTS, WE DID LOOK AT TRYING TO TURN THEM, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO DO THAT. WHAT WE HAVE IS A 15 FOOT REAR SETBACK ON THESE LOTS, AND THEN WE HAVE A SIDE SETBACK ON LOT 20, WHICH IS 15 FEET. TYPICALLY, THE SIDE SETBACK WOULD BE FIVE FEET, SO THERE WILL BE A DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS OF 30 FEET SO THAT'S HOW WE PROPOSE TO ADDRESS THAT. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. LOOK, THESE SMALLER LABELS ARE TREES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO PLANT. OUR INTENTION IS TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THE MIDDLE, WHERE THE DRAINAGE GOES, AS WELL, AND WE DON'T WANT TO COLLECT TRASH, WE DON'T WANT TO IMPEDE THE DRAINAGE. THE SYMBOLS THAT ARE LARGER ARE EXISTING TREES, THAT OUR INTENTION IS TO KEEP THEM. THERE'S ABOUT 60 TREES THAT WE PROPOSE TO PLANT. VARIETY WISE, RED OAK LIVE OAK BURKLE, AND OF COURSE, THAT WILL DEPEND SOMEWHAT ON AVAILABILITY, BUT QUALITY HARDWOOD TREE. THEN THIS IS A SOUTHERN PORTION THERE'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE LESS DISTURBANCE IN THIS AREA FOR OUR RECLAMATION, AND SO WE ARE ABLE TO SAVE A FEW MORE OF THE EXISTING TREES. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMSON ASKED ME WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. WE'VE GOT THE CROSS SECTIONS FROM THE ENGINEER SO I UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK. FROM THE STREET SIDE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PROBABLY FOUR TO FIVE FEET BELOW THE STREET. THIS PICTURE IS FROM NORTH PARK. THIS IS THE PORTION OF LAND THAT IS NOT OF THE CROSS FIELDS THIS IS GO THROW THE FOOTBALL WITH YOUR CHILD OR HIT THE BALL AROUND. THIS IS NORTH OF DUB AND JUST NORTH OF THE POND. THE WEST SIDE IS THE PARKING LOT WITH THE SIDEWALK THAT RUNS ALONG IT. FROM THAT SIDEWALK DOWN TO WHERE THAT LIVE OAK TREE IS, THAT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 4-5 FEET OF GRADE CHANGE. IF YOU ENVISION NORTH PARK, THE WIDTH OF IT, WHEN YOU GET DOWN THE TOE OF THE SLOPE TO THE OTHER SIDE IS ABOUT 250 FEET. IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT NORTH PARK, THERE'S A BERM ON THE EAST SIDE SO IT'S ACTUALLY A BOWL THAT RUNS DOWN THROUGH IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THAT'S ABOUT WHAT THIS OPEN SPACE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WILL LOOK LIKE. YOU'LL BE FOUR OR FIVE FOOT BELOW, BUT THEN THE BOTTOM WILL BE FLAT AND IT'LL BE ABOUT THE SAME WITH AVERAGE WISE UP THROUGH OUR PROJECT. AGAIN, THAT'S JUST AN OVERALL LOOK, THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT GOT POSED ABOUT AN EASEMENT THAT RUNS ALONG THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY. THAT EASEMENT IS FOR NEWSTAR, AND IT'S A PIPELINE EASEMENT. THAT PIPELINE ORIGINATES AT NEWSTAR, THE TERMINAL DOWN ON 26, IT GOES THROUGH THE PROPOSED MUNICIPAL CENTER, IT GOES UP THROUGH THIS PROPERTY. THEN IT GOES THROUGH SOUTH HOLLOW, GOES THROUGH CAMBRIDGE PLACE, GOES THROUGH WHISPERING HEIGHTS, GOES THROUGH OAKTREE, GOES UNDER 1709, GOES BEHIND THE BROWNSTONES IN BETWEEN THE BROWNSTONES AND HOME DEPOT, GOES UNDER 114, AND THEN IT HEADS WEST. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT ENDS UP AND GETS ITS PETROLEUM PRODUCTS. BUT WHAT THEY CARRY IN THERE, IT'S EIGHT INCH PIPELINE, AND IT CARRIES GASOLINE, DIESEL FUEL, AND JET FUEL. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT IT. THE PIPELINE RUNS, LIKE I SAID, ALL THROUGH THOSE ADISTING SUBDIVISIONS SO STAFF HAS TOLD US THAT THERE IS AN OBLIGATION ON THE PLANT TO PUT A NOTIFICATION THAT THERE IS A PIPELINE IN THERE, SO WE'VE AGREED TO DO THAT. I'M GOING TO SKIP THROUGH THESE, I'LL COME BACK TO ANY OF THEM YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. [01:15:07] THIS IS THE DRAINAGE AREA MAP. THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AREA MAP. YOU FOLLOW THOSE FLOW ARROWS THEY ALL COME TO US. THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT WHEN WE DID OUR FLOOD STUDY, WE DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE PROPERTY THAT'S NORTH OF US. THAT LABEL THAT'S UP THERE IN THE CIRCLE, THAT DA IS DRAINAGE AREA NUMBER 2. THE DRAINAGE AREA, THE BASIN THAT'S NORTH OF US IS 222.98 ACRES SO BASICALLY 223 ACRES. WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE FLOOD STUDY SO WE INCLUDED ALL THAT PROPERTY THAT'S NORTH OF US. THE QUESTION ABOUT WE ONLY TOOK INTO ACCOUNT OUR PROPERTY IS NOT CORRECT, WE COULDN'T GET THAT THROUGH FMA, WE COULDN'T GET IT THROUGH THE CITY, WE HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE DRAINAGE BASE AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES TO US. THEN THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS JUST WITH OUR LOT LAYOUT ON THE PROPERTY. THEN THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT SOMETIME, I GUESS IT WAS TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THE WATER TOP THE ROAD AT CONTINENTAL. WELL, WE'RE DOWNSTREAM SO I'M GLAD IT TOPPED THE ROAD BEFORE WE DID ANY DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T MAKE THE WATER TOP THE ROAD. BUT I THINK INSTEAD OF ME TRYING TO ANSWER THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLANS ARE, LONG TERM FOR CONTINENTAL ON THAT. I THINK THAT'S A STAFF QUESTION. BUT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THAT WE DID, AND THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE THAT'S GOING TO IMPEDE THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S MY POINT TO ADDRESS WHY THE WATER TOP CONTINENTAL AND WHAT WE COULD DO WITH IT. IN OUR DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE DOWNSTREAM. THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO TO PUSH THE WATER BACK UP NORTH IT'S COMING TO US. >> CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? I THINK IT HAD THE EXIST, THAT HAD THE EXISTING POND. THAT TAKES THE WATER FROM, I GUESS TEALWOOD, IS THAT RIGHT? >> SO SO THIS BOX RIGHT HERE IS A I'LL CALL IT A SUMP CONDITION. THIS EDGE AROUND THE OUTSIDE IS HIGHER, AND THIS IS PROBABLY MAYBE TWO TO THREE FEET DOWN. THERE'S A FLUME THAT COMES OUT OF TEALWOOD TO HERE AND THEN IT GOES INTO A PIPE. THAT PIPE COMES ROUGHLY TO OUR PROPERTY LINE AND DISCHARGES. THERE'S A DETENTION AREA HERE IN HART COURT SO THERE'S A SECOND PIPE THAT COMES OUT, AND AGAIN, IT DISCHARGES HERE. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP THIS STORM DRAIN AND OUR OWN PIPE, AND IT'LL GO THROUGH OUR LOTS, AND THEN IT'LL GO TO THAT OPEN SPACE. >>THE POND WILL BE REMOVED, BUT THERE'LL BE AN UNDERGROUND PIPE TO PICK UP THAT WATER FROM THE WEST? >> YES. HERE'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THIS PROBABLY GRAPHICALLY BETTER. BUT THIS IS THE DETENTION FOR TEALWOOD. THIS IS THE DETENTION FOR HART COURT. THOSE PIPES BOTH DISCHARGE ABOUT HERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM UNDERGROUND, AND THEN THEY WILL DISCHARGE INTO THIS OPEN SPACE. THIS PARTICULAR LOT IS GOING TO BE SOME IMPROVED LOT. I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A TOT LOT. I REALLY DON'T WANT TO COMMIT, IT'S GOING TO BE A GAZEBO OR IT'S GOING TO BE A SPORTS COURT OR WHATEVER. MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT THAT WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE IT. BUT I WOULD LOOK TO THE BUILDERS WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE SELECTED OUR BUILDERS AND THEY TELL US, HEY, THE MARKET IS THIS, THIS IS WHAT OUR CUSTOMERS WOULD LIKE, THEN WE WOULD FOLLOW THEIR DIRECTION, AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT. BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPROVED PART. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE AT THIS POINT. >> FROM A DRAINAGE OR ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THAT COULDN'T JUST STAY A POND OR ADJUST THE POND AS A FEATURE ALMOST AND HELP WITH THE DRAINAGE. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE UNDERGROUND PIPE, BUT JUST COMES TO MIND THAT THERE'S ALREADY A POND THERE, AND MAYBE THAT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A POND STILL THERE IN THE DEVELOPMENT. DOES THAT NOT WORK? >> WELL, IT WOULDN'T PROVIDE ANY DETENTION OF THE MOUNTAIN ANYTHING. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT POND, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOT A WEIRD AND IT FILLS UP AND GOES DOWN. IT'S BASICALLY THERE FOR THE CATTLE IS WHAT IT IS. HERE'S WHAT I'LL TELL YOU IS THAT WE HAVE TWO THINGS TO COMPLY WITH HERE. ONE, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKES DRAINAGE ORDINANCE, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT 100%. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE RECLAMATION AND THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN DESCRIBED A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE HAVE TO HIRE A PROFESSIONAL FLOOD STUDY ENGINEER TO STUDY THIS. THEN WE HAVE TO SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY. THE CITY'S GOING TO REVIEW IT, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. LIKELY IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN TO YOUR CONSULTING ENGINEER, TNP. [01:20:03] THEY'RE GOING TO REVIEW IT, GIVE COMMENTS, IT COMES BACK. WE ADJUST AND THEN AT SOME POINT, THAT FLOOD STUDY HAS BEEN APPROVED AT THIS LEVEL TO GO TO FMA. WE FILL OUT THE APPLICATION, WE GIVE IT TO THE CITY, WE PAY THE CHECK FOR THE FEE TO FMA, AND THE CITY ACTUALLY SENDS IT TO FMA. I'M NOT SURE, LAST TIME I DID THIS, THE MAYOR SIGNED IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHO SIGNS IT NOW, BUT A CITY OFFICIAL SIGNS IT, AND THEN IT GOES OFF TO FMA. ANYWAY ENGINEERING WISE, WE'VE GOT TWO THINGS TO COMPLY WITH. ONE IS THE CITY DRAINAGE ORDINANCE, AND TWO IS THAT WE HAVE TO SATISFY FMA. >> I CAN GO BACK. I'LL ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I HAVE SOME. I'M JUST LOOKING THROUGH THE STAFF REPORTS AND SOME OTHER INFORMATION. YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS? >> PUT IN SIDEWALKS? YES. >> IS THAT THE GREEN LINE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSES OR THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE? >> THAT'S ACTUALLY THE RIGHT AWAY LINE. BUT NO, OUR INTENTION IS TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT NORTH SOUTH STREET, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SINGLE-LOADED. >> LET ME SEE. THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTARY ON THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT AND REGULATIONS FOR IT. THIS IS INFORMATION AND COMMENTS FROM STAFF. FIRST FLOOR ELEVATION SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS SHALL BE RAISED A MINIMUM OF TWO FEET ABOVE THE FINISHED LEVEL OF THE SIDEWALK, AND IT SAYS IT'S UNCLEAR IF YOU'RE DOING THAT, SO ARE YOU DOING THAT? >> WELL, I SPOKE TO REGAN ABOUT THAT. DENNIS, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? IT WAS ABOUT THE BUILDINGS BEING TWO FOOT ABOVE THE SIDEWALK. >> YES. THAT IS A TRANSITION DISTRICT REQUIREMENT ON HOUSING UNLESS YOU PROPOSE A DIFFERENT REGULATION UNDER THE TZD. >> YES. I ASKED REGAN ABOUT THAT, AND THAT APPLICATION REALLY IS MORE FOR A BROWNSTONE AND NOT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, SO NO, IT'S NOT OUR INTENTION TO HAVE THAT TWO FOOT SEPARATION FROM THE STREET. >> THEN THERE'S ANOTHER COMMENT. THE SAME THING WITH THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK, IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT THEY'RE SIX FEET, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE PROPOSING FIVE. >> ALONG BRUMLOW? >> THIS IS JUST IN THE TZD COMMENTS. [OVERLAPPING] >> IN THE PACKET. >> I THINK THAT'S ALONG BRUMLOW, IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. >> THEN I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN US SOME SUGGESTED COMMERCIAL BUILDING LOOKS. THERE'S A HUGE SECTION IN HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE MATERIALS AND WHAT THE STRUCTURE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I GUESS MY CONCERN IS IF THIS PASSES, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ALL GOING TO MATCH UP, IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO TOGETHER. YOU'VE GOT LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. BUT WE CERTAINLY TYPICALLY LOOK AT THAT AND WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT'S ALL GOING TO GO TOGETHER, WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE ELEVATIONS ARE, SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES ARE GOING TO BE THERE, WHICH ONES AREN'T. >> OR WOULD THAT COME IN THE LATER SITE PLAN OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? MAYBE DIRECTOR KILOW CAN ANSWER THAT. >> YEAH. THEY PROVIDED BASICALLY THREE DIFFERENT PILOT TYPES FOR THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING. IN COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, YOU CAN PICK ONE OR A COMBINATION THEREOF. YES, WHEN ANY OF THOSE BUILDINGS COME IN PRIOR TO A PERMIT, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO P&Z FOR RECOMMENDATION AND CITY COUNCIL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU CAN CONSIDER COMPLIANCE WITH WHATEVER CRITERIA IT'S PUT IN PLACE AT THIS TIME. >> WE NEED TO DO THAT CRITERIA IN THIS MOTION TODAY. >> IF THERE IS A PARTICULAR IMAGE THAT YOU HAVE PREFERENCE OVER, THEN WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU IDENTIFY WHICH OF THOSE. >> I THINK ALSO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF IT, [01:25:01] IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE, AND WE WANT TO DELETE THAT SO THAT THEY CAN'T BRING SOMETHING AT THE SITE PLAN STAGE. >> WELL, I THINK MY CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS THESE THREE, THEY'RE VERY INDEPENDENT OF ONE ANOTHER IN TERMS OF HOW THEY LOOK, ESPECIALLY THE ONE THAT'S I'LL JUST SAY BLACK AND WHITE. COMMERCIAL BUILDING VERSUS THE GARAGE TYPE STRUCTURE VERSUS THE OTHER EXAMPLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD WORD THAT OR WHAT YOU GUYS' THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT, BUT I WOULD WANT THEM TO GO TOGETHER. YOU WANT IT TO BE A GOOD LOOK. IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY VISIBLE. >> I THINK THAT COULD PROBABLY COME IN A MOTION IF THAT'S WHAT WE LAND ON; THAT THEY HAVE TO LOOK SIMILAR LIKE COLONIAL DESIGN OR WHATEVER, WE COULD TAKE THAT IN THE MOTION. IS THAT RIGHT, DIRECTOR KILOW, IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO ALLOW THESE THREE DIFFERENT STYLES, WE COULD NARROW THAT DOWN? >> THAT IS CORRECT. I MAYBE DEFER TO SOME ASSISTANCE FROM OUR ATTORNEY, BUT YOU COULD DEFER MATERIAL AND DESIGN SELECTION AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN, BUT IT IS, I THINK, PREFERABLE IF THERE ARE SOME CRITERIA TO APPLY TO THAT. >> FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD PUT IN YOUR MOTION THAT IT BE ONE TYPE WITHOUT INDICATING THE TYPE IF THAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO INDICATE AT THIS TIME. JUST NOT ALL OF THE THREE BE AVAILABLE, BUT THAT ONCE THE DEVELOPER PICKS A TYPE, THAT THAT IS THE TYPE, AND SO LONG AS THAT TYPE IS CONSISTENT WITH ONE OF THE THREE THAT'S PRESENTED TO YOU, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD INCLUDE IN YOUR MOTION. >> WILL THAT ALSO APPLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL PART? I THINK THE APPLICANT REFERRED TO BUILDERS PLURAL. WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF IMAGES I GUESS, BUT IS THAT GOING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE WE WOULD SEE AT THE SITE PLAN STAGE IF THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT WHEN WE HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IF WE WANTED TO MAKE PROVISIONS FOR DIFFERENT-LOOKING BUILDINGS, BOTH AS FAR AS ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND MATERIALS, WHEN WOULD THAT HAPPEN? >> FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, TYPICALLY NOT. TYPICALLY, THOSE ARE ADMINISTRATIVE AND THE IMAGES OR CRITERIA SPECIFIED WITH THE ZONING ARE USED AS EVALUATION OF EACH OF THE HOME SITES. >> IF WE WANTED ANY MORE DETAIL OR ANY MORE SPECIFICITY, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT TONIGHT IN THE MOTION ON THE RESIDENTIAL PART? >> YES. >> I'M NOT SURE WE DO THAT VERY OFTEN ON RESIDENTIAL. WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE FIVE BUILDERS THAT COME IN AND THERE'LL BE UNIQUENESSES. INTO DIRECTOR KILOW'S POINT, ADMINISTRATIVELY, WE ENSURE THAT THEY'RE MEETING THE OVERALL CITY STANDARDS OF MATERIALS AND SO FORTH. BUT YEAH, I THINK COUNCILMAN TALLEY MAKES A GOOD POINT, THOUGH, PERHAPS STIPULATING ONE CHOICE. I'M ASSUMING THE APPLICANT IS HAVING THREE CHOICES THERE BECAUSE YOU WANT SOME FLEXIBILITY AS TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO WITH. BUT DOES THAT SEEM REASONABLE TO YOU THAT YOU'D HAVE TO DECIDE, OKAY, THIS IS THE THEME I'M GOING TO GO WITH, AT SOME POINT, NO MORE THAN ONE THEME? >> WELL, SO I'LL GO BACK TO KIRKWOOD EAST, WHICH WE APPROVED I DON'T KNOW, A YEAR AGO. WE HAD A SITE PLAN VERY SIMILAR TO THIS AND WE HAD TWO BUILDINGS THAT WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO BUILD, AND WE BROUGHT ELEVATIONS FORWARD FOR THEM. THOSE WENT WITH THE SITE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN. NOW WE'VE GOT SIX MORE THAT WE HAVE TO BRING BACK. WE WILL DO THAT ON A BUILDING BY BUILDING OR IF WE DO TWO AT A TIME, BUT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE PRODUCT IS, AND IT'S GOING TO BE 24 MONTHS TO 36 MONTHS BEFORE I BUILD IT. I CAN TELL YOU THE BUILDING UP FRONT IS GOING TO BE AN OFFICE BUILDING. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO LOOK SOMETHING LIKE SOUTHLAKE COMMONS. THE REASON I DIDN'T PUT A SOUTHLAKE COMMONS RENDERING IN THERE IS BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALL TILE ROOFS. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BUILD A TILE ROOF HERE. I DIDN'T WANT TO MISLEAD ANYBODY, AND THEN SAY, WELL, THAT'S SOUTHLAKE COMMONS, AND IT'S GOT A TILE ROOF. WELL, I LIKE THE ELEVATION BETTER THAN THE ONE I'M SHOWING, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO MISLEAD SOMEBODY AND SAY, WELL, YOU SHOWED THIS TILE ROOF, YOU GOT TO BUILD TILE ROOF. THAT BUILDING UP FRONT IS GOING TO BE A HIGHER-END BUILDING. THE STUFF IN BACK, TODAY, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE FLEX SPACE AND OFFICE. BUT MY THINKING IS THAT THERE'S A LIST OF MATERIALS IN THE APPLICATION FOR WHAT CAN GO ON THE BUILDING, [01:30:05] AND THEN WE'VE GOT AT LEAST A COUPLE OF RENDERINGS OF A TINT WALL THAT'S GOT ACCENTS ON THE BUILDING, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE GARAGE CONCEPT. ALL OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE FRONT ENTRY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE IN THE BACK OF THEM OTHER THAN PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, AND WE DON'T WANT THEM NEXT TO THE NEIGHBORS. THEY'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A FRONT-ENTRY PRODUCT TO IT. BUT MY THOUGHT WAS THAT WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THAT, AND WE'D COME, THERE'S A PALETTE OF MATERIALS IN THE APPLICATION. THE PICTURES WERE JUST REPRESENTATIVE. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, I GUESS, AT SOME LEVEL, GO, WELL, THAT'S UGLY, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THAT. >> MY THOUGHTS IN THIS COUNCILMAN TALLEY ARE I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. I HATE TO LEAVE LOOSE ENDS ON ANYTHING BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU MAKE MISTAKES AND GO, WHY DIDN'T WE ADDRESS THAT? FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T EVEN IF THIS IS GOING TO PASS. BUT IF IT WERE TO PASS, YOU DON'T WANT LOOSE ENDS. AT THE SAME TIME, I TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FACT THAT I'VE NEVER MET A DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT EXTREMELY ATTRACTIVE TO POTENTIAL TENANTS AND SOMETHING, SO THE THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD RANDOMLY BUILD THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS ALL ON A VERY SMALL SPACE IS PROBABLY EXTREMELY UNLIKELY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. IF WE WORKED WITH AN APPLICANT IN THE PAST AND YOU LOOK AT THEIR WORK AND SAY, OKAY, IT'S CONSISTENT WORK, IT BLENDS, THAT TYPE OF THING, I DO TAKE SOME CONSIDERATION. >> HERE'S WHAT I CAN SAY. ONE OF THE STYLES RIGHT NOW THAT IS VERY POPULAR ON RESIDENTIAL IS MODERN OR CONTEMPORARY. WE SEE IT EVERYWHERE. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WHAT WE WOULD DESIGN WOULD HAVE A THEME TO IT, AND IT'D BE COMPATIBLE. I WOULDN'T WANT TO COMMIT THAT EVERY BUILDING IS IDENTICAL-LOOKING. BUT WE WOULD BUILD SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE IN HERE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS BUILT OVER 20 YEARS BY FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. IT WOULD BE COMPREHENSIVE AND WE WOULD COME UP WITH AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THAT THROUGHOUT AT LEAST THE REAR PORTION, THE FRONT MAY BE MORE OF A BRICK STUCCO STONE BUILDING. BUT THE BACK, IT WOULD AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING THAT WILL BIND IT ALL TOGETHER. >> I MUCH PREFER THE SOUND OF THAT, BECAUSE I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT EITHER OF THESE THREE OPTIONS IS SOMETHING THAT IS THE BEST OPTION. YOU COULD LIKELY COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER. I CERTAINLY AM NOT FOR BINDING A DEVELOPER TO HAVING TO CHOOSE A STYLE TONIGHT OR CHOOSING JUST ONE STYLE. THAT'S JUST MY PHILOSOPHY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS? >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE. THE PIECE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS THE FLOODPLAIN GOES, THE NORTH PARK PIECE THAT YOU SHOWED US TO COMPARE IT TO, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL BEEN SODDED, AND I BELIEVE IT'S IRRIGATED. WILL THIS BE IRRIGATED TO AND SODDED OR WILL IT BE LEFT NATURAL? DEPENDING ON THE RAINS? WHAT DO WE? >> IT'S 12 ACRES. I DON'T THINK IT'S PRACTICAL TO IRRIGATE IT ALL. WE'LL IRRIGATE THE TREES THAT WE PLANTED AROUND THE EDGES. I DON'T SEE 13 ACRES BEING A FINISH MOWER OUT THERE MOWING THE 13 ACRES. IT'LL BE SOME WIDER APPARATUS THAT'LL MOW IT. WHEN YOU MOW THE SLOPES, THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THERE FOR THAT. BUT NO, WE'LL IRRIGATE THE TREES, BUT IT'S NOT OUR INTENTION TO IRRIGATE THE ENTIRE OPEN SPACE. >> I KNOW THAT TRAFFIC'S ARE CONCERN HERE. I DO LIKE THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWS THAT, I GUESS, IF WE LEFT THIS INDUSTRIAL, THE IMPACT IS MARKEDLY HIGHER, PROBABLY TWICE AS HIGH FROM AN INDUSTRIAL STANDPOINT VERSUS WHAT WE GET WITH THIS. >> A LITTLE MORE THAN DOUBLE. >> BUT I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS GOING TO BE WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE TURNING LEFT OUT OF HERE ONTO BRUMLOW OR ONTO CONTINENTAL, IS IT GOING TO STACK UP INSIDE THERE? I DIDN'T SEE AN HOURLY STUDY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WILL THERE BE DEDICATED LEFT TURNS COMING OUT OF HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO WIDEN BRUMLOW OR WIDEN CONTINENTAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR THIS TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL? WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THAT [INAUDIBLE] OUT OF THERE FROM THAT STANDPOINT? >> ON BRUMLOW? >> WELL, I THINK I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT CONTINENTAL JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE PIECE THAT WORRIES ME AT THAT FIVE O'CLOCK TIME. [01:35:05] >> AFTER THE LAST MEETING, THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP MOSTLY BY THE MAYOR BUT EVERYBODY WAS CONCERNED AND THE CITIZENS CONCERNED ABOUT CONTINENTAL AND ASKED US TO LOOK AT IT. WE HIRED LEE ENGINEERING TO DO AN ASSESSMENT LETTER. LEE ENGINEERING DID THE TIA FOR THE SERVICE CENTER, AND THEY DID THE AREA STUDY FOR MUSTANG BUSINESS PARK. THEY HAD ALL THE DATA, AND SO THEY CAME UP WITH AN ASSESSMENT LETTER. MR. SCHULTZ'S HERE TONIGHT WITH LEE, IF WE'D LIKE TO HAVE HIM GIVE A COMMENT OR COMMENTS. BUT TO SUMMARIZE WAS THAT THE LEFT-HAND TURN LANE WESTBOUND ON CONTINENTAL WAS WARRANTED. I DON'T WANT TO GET WAY OUT THERE, BUT BASICALLY, IT WAS WHEN YOU DO A STUDY LIKE THAT, LIKE FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, IF IT'S WARRANTED, THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S A DEMAND THERE FOR IT. THE LEFT-HAND TURN LANE WAS WARRANTED AND HIS OPINION THE RIGHT WAS NOT, THE WARRANT WOULDN'T MEET THE DEMAND. BUT HIS CONCERN IS PUTTING ONE LEFT-HAND LANE IN THERE WHEN YOU'VE GOT 10 DRIVEWAYS IS IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO FIX THE PROBLEM OF THE CONGESTION ON CONTINENTAL. IT MAKES IT SAFER TO COME IN. BUT THE CONGESTION IS STILL GOING TO BE THERE. NOW, STAFF SENT IT TO T&P, AND THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM T&P CAME BACK AND SAID THAT THE LEFT-HAND TURN LANE SHOULD BE BUILT ON CONTINENTAL. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE WILL COMMIT TO COORDINATE OR BUILD IT WHEN WE BUILD OUR SUBDIVISION. WE'VE GOT SOME UTILITY POLES. THE BOX CULVERT THAT COMES INTO US ISN'T VERY DEEP. THERE ARE SOME MOVING PARTS TO IT. BUT I REALLY THINK WHAT WOULD BE PRUDENT IS THAT STAFF AND LEE ENGINEERING AND T&P SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT IT A LITTLE MORE AND GO, WE'VE GOT TEN DRIVEWAYS HERE. IF WE PUT THIS IN, DOES THE GEOMETRY WORK AND ARE WE DOING A BAND AID THAT WE'RE GOING TO TEAR OUT IN FIVE YEARS? WE'LL COMMIT THAT WE WILL COORDINATE AND WE'LL COMMIT THAT IF EVERYBODY AGREES THAT A LEFT-HAND TURN LANE NEEDS TO BE BUILT THERE, OR IF IT'S LEFT AND RIGHT, I DON'T THINK IT RIGHT IS NECESSARY, BUT IF IT'S A LEFT, WE'LL COMMIT TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DELEGATE IT TO THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS AND STAFF TO GO, LET'S LOOK AT THIS INSTEAD OF THIS ONE INTERSECTION. ARE WE WASTING OUR MONEY, OR ARE WE ACTUALLY DOING SOME GOOD? BECAUSE WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS RELIEVE THE TRAFFIC FOR THE CITIZENS. IF WE PUT THIS IN THERE AND IT DOESN'T DO THAT, THEN WE WASTED OUR MONEY. >> BY OTHER DRIVEWAYS, YOU'RE MEANING LIKE TIMBER LINE AND WOODS, AND THOSE OTHER STREETS THAT COME OFF OF CONTINENTAL? >> IN TEALWOOD AND SOUTH HOLLOW. SERVICE CENTER. >> THEN YOU TOUCHED BASE ON IT JUST A LITTLE BIT, AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO GO BACK TO IT. LOT 21, 22, AND 23, THAT BACK UP TO LOT 20, THE SIDE YARD. YOU WERE ON THAT PICTURE THERE. IT WAS ON THAT PICTURE YOU WERE JUST LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE. THOSE. >> THIS ONE? >> I GUESS, WALK ME THROUGH WHY WE'RE DOING THAT AGAIN AS OPPOSED TO JUST DOING. I KNOW YOU LOSE A LOT IF YOU SPLIT THAT. BUT THAT JUST SEEMS REALLY ODD TO ME TO HAVE THREE RESIDENCES BACKING UP TO THE SIDE FENCE OF ONE HOUSE. I KNOW YOU SAID YOU SET THEM BACK, I THINK, 2015 AND 25 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHAT WAS YOUR SETBACK ON THOSE TWO? I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN A BIGGER SETBACK ON 20 ON THE SIDE THAN YOU DID SOME OTHERS. BUT WHY DO YOU NOT JUST HAVE THEM OPEN UP SO THAT THEY BASICALLY FACE EAST? I GET YOU LOSE ONE LOT, BUT IS THAT THE ONLY REASON? >> WELL, OUR STANDARD SETBACK ALL ALONG THESE LOTS IS 15. WE'VE GOT NEIGHBORS IN THIS AREA HERE. THE 30 FEET IS GOING TO BE THE SAME SEPARATION AS WE HAVE OVER HERE. THESE NEIGHBORS ARE PROBABLY LESS THAN INTRUSIVE THAN THESE. BUT THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, WE'RE GIVING THEM THE SEPARATION, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR PRIVACY? THIS HOUSE IS GOING TO LIVE IN THE BACK ANYWAY. THAT WAS OUR THOUGHT PROCESS AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO TURN THE LOTS. THEN YOU END UP BACK IN THREE LOTS UP TO 24. I REALIZE THERE'S AN EASEMENT IN THERE BUT IT'S SORT OF THE SAME SITUATION THAT THEY'RE BACK IN THE REAR YARDS UP TO 24. I'D PREFER NOT TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE WE LOSE A LOT. [01:40:02] >> I GET THAT. >> I DON'T THINK WE GAIN THAT MUCH BY TURNING THEM BECAUSE WE BACK THEM UP TO 24 ALSO. >> BUT I THINK YOU PROBABLY DOUBLE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE HOME AND THE SIDE HOME. TO ME, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SHARING A FENCE WITH LOT 20. IF YOU TURN THEM THE OTHER WAY, THEY'RE NOT SHARING A FENCE WITH 24, I DON'T THINK ARE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FENCE THAT EASEMENT. OR WOULD THEY? WHO OWNS THAT? BECAUSE THAT EASEMENT IS GOING TO BE OPEN. >> BETWEEN 23 AND 24? >> YEAH. >> NO, THEY WOULD THEY WOULD PUT THE FENCE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE EASEMENT AND INCORPORATE IT. >> LOT 24 WOULD ESSENTIALLY PICK UP ANOTHER LOOK LIKE 50. >> THIS WOULD BE THE EAST LOT LINE OF 24. THEN OF COURSE, THIS IS 23 NOW, BUT IF YOU'VE TURNED IT AROUND, THIS WOULD BE THE REAR LOT LINE OF TWO LOTS. >> YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SIDEWALK. KATHY BROUGHT UP THE SIDEWALK. CAN YOU GO OVER THAT WITH ME WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS ELEVATED FROM THE HOUSE FROM, I ASSUME, THE DOOR? >> I CAN GO BACK TO THE PICTURE. MY REPRESENTATION WAS IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK HERE, AND THE PICTURE WENT OUT THIS WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SLOPE IN THIS AREA THAT'S GOING TO GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, SIMILAR TO THE SLOPE THAT'S AT NORTH PARK. >> BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW IT'S DRAINING INTO THE HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. >> WELL, THIS RIGHT AWAY AND THIS RIGHT AWAY WILL ROUGHLY BE THE SAME ELEVATION. >> WILL IT BE HIGHER THAN THE DOOR TO THOSE HOMES? WILL IT DRAIN DOWN? >> THE STREET? >> THE WATER FROM THE STREET TO THE DOORS. >> YOU TALKING ABOUT STORM DRAIN? >> I'M TALKING ABOUT RAIN, RAIN, ANY KIND OF RAIN. >> LET ME GO TO ANOTHER SLIDE. THE WATER ON THESE LOTS, IF YOU REMEMBER THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT OR DRAINAGE AREA MAP, ALL THE ARROWS POINT TOWARDS THIS CREEK. ALL THESE LOTS, THE WATER IS GOING TO COME OFF THE FRONT OF THE LOT, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO GO SOMETIMES IN MAYBE THIS WAY AND THEN SOMETIMES THIS WAY, BUT IT'LL COLLECT IN CURB INLETS IN THE STREET. IT'LL BE LIKE PRETTY MUCH LIKE A TYPICAL SUBDIVISION. THE WATER WILL COME TO THE STREET, WE'LL PICK IT UP IN CURB INLETS, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT INTO A STORM SEWER PIPE THAT WILL EVENTUALLY DISCHARGE INTO THE DETENTION AREA. >> THANK YOU. ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE LEFT END OFF CONTINENTAL. ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A LEFT TURN OUT ONTO CONTINENTAL TOO ON THAT ENTRANCE? IF A CAR WANTS TO GO WESTBOUND, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT? >> YEAH. I MAY DEFER TO ROB ON THAT, BUT IN THE STUDY THEY DID FOR THE SERVICE CENTER, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE ULTIMATE DEVELOPMENT FOR BRUMLO. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT CONTINENTAL NOT BRUMLO. >> ON CONTINENTAL? >> YES. >> WELL, THERE'D BE A LEFT TURN IN IF THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY DECIDES, BUT AS FAR AS GOING OUT, IT'S LIKE ALL THE DRIVES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONFLICT IF YOU GO LEFT OUT OF THERE. >> IS IT RIGHT ONLY OUT? THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GOING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AND A POSSIBLE DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE, BUT WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LEAVE THE DEVELOPMENT AND GO IF THEY CHOOSE TO GO WESTBOUND. >> MR. SCHULTZ ASSESSMENT LETTER TALKED ABOUT THAT. THAT ALSO BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE IN A CIRCUITOUS SOMETIMES WHERE YOU'RE GOING AROUND LIKE THIS WHEN YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THE OTHER WAY, SO IT COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS AS WELL. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE HIM COME UP HERE AND HAVE HIM ADDRESS THAT, BUT HE DID LOOK AT THAT AND GO RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT. BUT I THINK HIS OPINION IS IT'LL CAUSE MORE ISSUES AND MORE CONGESTION THAN HELPING. [01:45:06] BUT I'M HAPPY TO HAVE HIM GIVE YOU AN EXPLANATION. HE'S HERE. >> YOU'RE JUST GOING TO CROSS THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW, YOU JUST CROSS THE TRAFFIC, TRY TO GET OUT AND GO LEFT, RIGHT? WITHOUT HAVING HIM COME UP, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT STANDS. >> YEAH, IT'S PROPOSED TO BE LIKE THE OTHER NINE DRIVEWAYS ON CONTINENTAL. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FIX IT, GOING LEFT HAND THERE. >> WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT PART. WE'VE ONLY TALKED ABOUT A POSSIBILITY OF A DEDICATED LEFT TURN IN, BUT NOTHING ABOUT A LEFT TURN OUT. I WAS JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. RIGHT NOW, YOU COULD JUST GO TO A LEFT TURN OUT THE WAY IT'S BEING PROPOSED. >> THAT'S CURRENTLY THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED. >> THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON THAT. THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE OR ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? GO AHEAD, RANDY. >> YES, THANK YOU. MR. SHELLING, ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT BECAUSE IT'S VERY DETAILED. I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT IT, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY. LANDSCAPE A VERSUS LANDSCAPE B, WAS A THE ORIGINAL? WAS THAT WHAT WE LOOKED AT AT THE PRIOR MEETING AND NOW B? >> YES. >> WHEN IT SAYS ACCENT TREE, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT MEANS? I KNOW YOU MENTIONED ON THE CANOPY TREES, THOSE BIG EXAMPLES OF RED OAKS AND LIVE OAKS AND ALL THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CANOPY TREE WOULD BE? >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT CURTIS PLANNED FOR THAT. >> WELL, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS, IT'S AN IMPRESSIVE NUMBER OF TREES. YOU TOOK IT TO HEART. I'M LOOKING AT IT, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE ORIGINALLY SAW, YOU WERE PROVIDING 10 CANOPY TREES AND 20 ACCENT TREES. YOU'VE NOW ON THIS PLAN GONE TO 62 CANOPY TREES AND 123 ACCENT TREES. YOUR SHRUBS WENT FROM 122 TO 771. THAT'S A HUGE INCREASE. I'M HOPING TO UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO CREATE A PROBLEM THAT'S NOT THERE, BUT WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND TOWN NOWADAYS, YOU CAN SEE SO MANY PLACES WHERE THE INTENT WAS GOOD AT DEVELOPMENT TO PUT IN BEAUTIFUL, LIKE YOUR CANOPY TREES ARE FOUR INCH CALIPERS, IS WHAT IT SAYS. THESE ARE NICE SIZED TREES, AND IT CREATES A WONDERFUL, FLOODPLAIN SPACE THERE AND SO FORTH. BUT 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, YOU HAVE 200 TREES THAT YOU PUT IN THAT ARE GROWING, AND MATURE, AND NOW YOU HAVE GRASS THAT'S DEAD BECAUSE NOTHING CAN GROW UNDERNEATH IT. WE SEE IT EVERYWHERE. I WOULD LOVE TO BE ON TOP OF THAT NOW SO THAT 15 YEARS FROM NOW, PEOPLE DON'T LOOK AROUND AND GO, MAN, I BET THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL WHEN THE GUY PUT IT IN, BUT NOW EVERYTHING'S DEAD OVER ON THAT SIDE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS. OF ALL THINGS I ASKED, LET'S LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO INADVERTENTLY OVER LANDSCAPE NOW TO WHERE WE COME BACK DOWN THE ROAD AND GO, I WISH WE HADN'T PUT THAT MUCH IN. >> I UNDERSTAND. I GO TO BOB JONES AND I GO TO NORTH PARK, AND WE GOT TREES SO CLOSE TOGETHER THAT WE CAN'T GROW TURF. THEN YOU CAN'T GROW ANYTHING IN THERE, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, I CAN LOOK AT THAT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THERE IN MY HEAD. HOW DO YOU DO THAT? DO YOU SET A MINIMUM, PERHAPS? DO WE SET A MINIMUM, IF APPROVED, A MINIMUM OF X AMOUNT OF TREE? YEAH. AT THE DEVELOPER'S CHOICE WORKING ADMINISTRATIVELY TO MAKE THAT DECISION. BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT BECAUSE I DO THINK AS OUR COMMUNITY HAS MATURED, THERE'S BEEN MISTAKES MADE BY DEVELOPERS BECAUSE IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD TODAY, BUT THEN WELL DOWN THE ROAD, IT CREATES A REAL HAZARD, A REAL PROBLEM. >> UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEM, WE PUT THEM UNDER THE POWER LINES WHEN THEY'RE SMALL AND THEN THEY GROW UP AND THEN WE CHOP THE MIDDLE OUT OF THEM. >> I WAS TALKING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHEN COUNCIL ROBBINS WAS ASKING YOU QUESTIONS ABOUT IRRIGATION AND SO FORTH, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF I MISSED IT. THE TURF IN THE GREEN SPACE, IS THAT PROPOSED JUST TO BE A NATURAL TURF OR ARE YOU LOOKING TO SEED THAT OR? [01:50:05] >> NO, WE'LL HAVE TO SEED IT, BUT IT WILL BE SOME PERMANENT, SO EITHER IT'D BE BERMUDA OR SOME MIXTURE THAT WILL GO IN THERE. >> BUT DEFINITELY NOT JUST THE [OVERLAPPING] >> NO, NOT JUST NATIVE, WHATEVER WEEDS COMES UP. WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK IN THERE AND HAVE TO VEGETATE IT. >> I'LL THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS TREES. THANK YOU. >> MARTIN, THE TWO LARGER HOMES, ARE THEY GOING TO BE PART OF THE HOA? >> YES. >> THE PERIMETER WILL BE MAINTAINED OR AT LEAST KEPT UP. I GUESS THE INTERIOR BUSHES OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE THERE. THAT ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO BE MAINTAINED, SO WILL LOOK NICE BY THE HOA. >> WELL, THE DARK GREEN WILL ALL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, THE LIGHTER YELLOWISH GREEN WILL ALL BE PRIVATE PROPERTY. BUT ALL THE DARKER GREEN OPENS. >> [OVERLAPPING] THE BUSHES THAT ARE GOING TO GO BY THE BRIDGE, THOSE WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA. KEPT UP. >> OVER ACROSS THE BRIDGE? WELL, THAT WILL NOT BE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. I DON'T KNOW THAT KATHY THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE AND SAID HOA WILL MAINTAIN IT THROUGH HERE. I REALLY SUSPECT WHOEVER GOES THERE IS PROBABLY GOING TO WANT A GATE. I'M JUST GUESSING. I'M THINKING THAT THAT PERSON IS GOING TO PUT THE GATE IN SOMEWHERE AROUND THE BOX, AND THEN THE REST ARE GOING TO BE MAINTAINED. I DON'T KNOW THAT HE WOULD WANT US MAINTAINING HIS WHATEVER LANDSCAPE BEING PUTS IN THERE, WHATEVER HE DOES. IF IT MAKES SENSE, WE'LL PUT IT IN THERE IN HOA, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M THINKING BECAUSE IT GOES FROM PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY TO PRIVATE, THAT WHEN IT GOES PRIVATE, THAT'LL BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. >> ANYTHING ELSE FROM MR. SHELLING AT THIS POINT? I KNOW YOU'LL STICK AROUND. I'D ALSO I STILL WANT TO GO BACK TO THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS ON THE RESIDENTIAL PART. IF YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT WHILE WE'RE DOING THE PUBLIC HEARING, I JUST WANT TO GET COMFORTABLE, IF IT'S ONE BUILDER THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND DESIGNS, MULTIPLE BUILDERS THAT TAKES CARE OF IT. AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, MAYBE YOU CAN COME BACK ON THAT AND ADDRESS WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS ON THAT? BECAUSE I HAVE SOME HEARTBURN ON THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL GET ONTO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 6A AND 6B. WHAT WE'LL DO FIRST IS EVERYONE'S GOING TO GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, BUT I'VE GOT THE COMMENT CARDS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. OF COURSE, YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ANYMORE. IF YOU'VE ALREADY INDICATED THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK, BUT YOU DO WISH TO SPEAK, YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND IN THAT REGARD AS WELL. BUT FIRST UP IS CHRIS DUQUE 1128 TEALWOOD COURT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. COME ON DOWN, SIR. EVEN THOUGH I JUST STATED YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, IF YOU COULD RESTATE THOSE FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU'LL SEE THE LIGHTING THING THERE. I'LL START OFF IN GREEN. WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO ONE MINUTE, IT'LL TURN YELLOW, AND THEN AT RED. THAT'S WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP. THREE MINUTES, AND AGAIN, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. IT'S CHRIS DUCI, 112. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. I THOUGHT IT WAS AN E, AND SHE SAID IT WAS AN A. SO MY BAD. >> OH, THAT'S OKAY. 1128 TEALWOOD COURT. WE'RE THE HOUSE NEXT TO THE DRAINAGE POND. FIRST, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR ADDRESSING THE GREEN SPACE ALONG THE NORTHERN TIER AT CONTINENTAL. THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY REMAINED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE FOR THE FUTURE. ONE, THERE'S IN THE TEALWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A DOG KENNEL, DRAINS THROUGH TEALWOOD, AND THAT DRAINAGE, MY NEIGHBORS HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS WITH THAT. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THE DRAINAGE ON HART COURT IN THE BACK. SOME OF THOSE PIPES HAVE BEEN BLOCKED IN THE PAST AND HAD PROBLEMS AS WELL. I KNOW SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE HOA HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY ON THAT. AND SO AS THIS IS POTENTIALLY BUILT, JUST REALLY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT FOCUSING ON THE DRAINAGE BECAUSE CERTAINLY IF THAT POND IS REMOVED AND THE NEW OUTLET FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS A COVERED PIPE. THERE'S THE POTENTIAL IF THAT BLOCKS UP, BOTH CAUSING ISSUES IN THE TEALWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WELL AS FOR THE NEW HOMES THERE THAT ARE IN THE POTENTIAL NEW DEVELOPMENT. THAT COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM WITH THE PIPE BLOCKING UP, THERE'S A POND THAT FILLS UP, THAT COULD THEN DRAIN IN BOTH BACK UP INTO TEALWOOD, [01:55:03] AND THEN ALSO ONTO SOME OF THOSE NEW HOUSES. I THINK IT'S A LOT FOUR AND FIVE AND SIX WOULD BE THE ONES WHERE YOU'D REALLY HAVE SOME OF THAT POTENTIAL OF WATER. I THINK THERE ARE STILL SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE AND JUST WANT THOSE TO BE FOCUSED ON AS WE GO INTO THE FUTURE, AND THEN CERTAINLY THE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, PATTY AGAR, 1402 VENA ROSA COURT, WHICH IS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THESE BOTH ITEMS. LET ME AGAIN IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN YOU KNOW THE DRILL WITH THE THREE MINUTES. >> HI. I'M PATTY AGAR, OF 1402 VENA ROSSO. I JUST WANTED TO, A LOT OF THESE POINTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. ONE THING THAT I WANT TO OUT. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND THE FLOODING, AND DOWNSTREAM AFFECTS UPSTREAM. AS THIS PERSON JUST MENTIONED, IF SOMETHING GETS CLOGGED, IT'S GOING TO BACK UP. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. ALSO HOW THE WATER WOULD, IN THE LAST RAINSTORM IS BRUM AND ALSO CONTINENTAL, ESPECIALLY FLOODS. THAT'S AND I'M ALSO WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AS COUNCIL MEMBER CHARLOTTE MENTIONED, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TAKE A LEFT HAND TURN. I KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY BACKING WAY UP ON BRUMLEY, ALMOST A 26. YOU GOT A TRAIN CROSSING, AND THEN YOU GOT PEOPLE BACKED UP. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY MORE CARS ARE GOING TO BE COMING ON THAT STREET. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WIDENED UNTIL 2030. I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT YOU GUYS DO IT RIGHT AND MAKE SURE, AND IF YOU NEED A GOOD ARBORIST. I HAVE AN EXCELLENT ARBORIST. I HAVE SOME GREAT IDEAS FOR THAT FOR TREES. JUST MAKE SURE YOU, PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT AND DON'T RUSH THIS BECAUSE I JUST DON'T WANT THERE TO BE PROBLEMS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I HAVE JOAN GONZALEZ, 400 BORDERS COURT AND SOUTH LAKE, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO BOTH ITEMS. >> HELLO. I'M JOAN GONZALEZ, 400 BORDERS COURT. SOUTH LAKE, TEXAS. I'M FAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF YOU ON CITY COUNCIL THROUGH YOUR CAMPAIGNS AND ALL, AND I'VE BEEN A HUGE SUPPORTER OF SOUTH LAKE. WE HAVE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 25 YEARS, AND WE LOVE SOUTH LAKE. WE LOVE THE AESTHETIC OF SOUTH LAKE. WE MOVED TO SOUTH LAKE FOR THE AESTHETIC PART OF SOUTH LAKE. I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING ALONG CONTINENTAL. THERE WAS BESIDES THE TEALWOOD, IT TURNED OUT NICE, BUT IT'S THE PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE BETWEEN. I LIVE IN TIMBERON. DOWN CONTINENTAL, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT IT JUST DOESN'T FIT IN SOUTH LAKE. IT'S NOT THE AESTHETIC. I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE US TO SAY THIS IS TURNING INTO ANOTHER TOWN. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THESE LOTS ARE SO SMALL, WHY IT'S ALL SHOVED IN THERE. WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE RETIRING IN 5-10 YEARS. THIS IS NOT A PLACE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO LIVE ALONG THERE. I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND AND THE HOMES SEEM VERY EXPENSIVE. WHO IS GOING TO WANT TO EVEN LIVE THERE? I'M SURE THAT SOMEBODY WILL, BUT I HAVE HUGE TRAFFIC CONCERNS ALONG THERE. BOTH PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY GO UP AND DOWN CONTINENTAL. I'M NOT SURE, ANY OF YOU LIVE ALONG CONTINENTAL, THAT YOU HAVE DONE THAT DURING EARLY IN THE MORNING AND AROUND 5:00. WE DON'T WANT TO LIGHT THERE. WE FINALLY GOT THE TRAFFIC FLOWING THERE WITH THE ROUNDABOUTS. I HAVE JUST HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT WHY THIS IS EVEN BEING CONSIDERED, I GUESS. NO ONE'S REALLY, OBVIOUSLY, THE FLOODING. I'VE TALKED TO A FEW ENGINEERS ABOUT IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE A NIGHTMARE. IF YOU GOING TO PUSH IT ALL TOWARDS GRAPEVINE, IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH, I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE A CREEK THAT BACKS UP TO OUR YARD IN TIMBERON. IT'S BEEN FLOODING WITH THE RAIN WE'RE GETTING I DON'T KNOW. ONE LAST THING, NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT AND MAYBE I'M NOT UP TO SPEED. ARE THOSE JET FUEL TANKS BACK THERE? IT WAS A BIG ISSUE 100 YEARS AGO, WITH THE FRACKING, AND I THINK THE EPA MIGHT HAVE SHUT THAT DOWN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONCERNS OF FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP TO EVERYONE. HAVE A CHANCE TO ADDRESS IT. THANK YOU. [02:00:02] >> THANK YOU. NEXT IS HEATHER CURTIS 1212 ST. AMALON COURT HERE IN SOUTH LAKE. WE'LL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM. >> HEATHER CURTIS, 1212 ST. MILIAN COURT, SOUTH LAKE, TEXAS. I'M IN OPPOSITION TO THIS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE CITY HAS A GAP THAT THEY NEED TO FILL. MY STREET AND THE STREET NEXUS ARE ALREADY DEALING WITH DRAINAGE ISSUES FROM CONSTRUCTION. THE CITY HAS TOLD US THAT THE DRAINAGE IMPACT REPORTS WERE ONLY FOR THE LOT THAT WAS BEING DEVELOPED. IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT ANYBODY REALLY TOOK THE TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT IMPACTED THE REST OF US. WE HAVE LANDSCAPE DESTROYED, TREES ARE DYING, MASSIVE FLOODING IN OUR YARDS. WE HAVE MASSIVE TREE BRANCHES, TRASH, DRAINAGE. I HAVE MOUNDS AND MOUNDS OF RED DIRT THAT I HAVE TO BASICALLY TAKE SHOVELS AND DIG OUT SO THAT THE WATER CAN FLOW THROUGH. THE DEVELOPER REALLY DIDN'T HANDLE THE CONSTRUCTION IN A VERY RESPONSIBLE WAY. WE THINK A LOT OF THAT SOIL CAME FROM THE CONSTRUCTION THAT NOW IS DUMPED INTO A POND, WHICH NOW MAKES THE POND NOT HOLD AS MUCH WATER AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO, WHICH IS NOW FLOODING ALL OF OUR BACKYARDS. I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE HAVE GOOD DEVELOPMENT, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPERATIVE THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT DULL DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T THEN FURTHER HARM THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE. UNTIL I FEEL LIKE, WE FILL IN THAT GAP BETWEEN NOT JUST THE LOTS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED, BUT THE IMPACT ON EVERYTHING AROUND IT, I WOULD BE OPPOSED. I ALSO KNOW A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES AROUND THE CITY. IT'S CLEARLY AN ISSUE, AND IF THIS IS A FLOODPLAIN, I'D BE CONCERNED WHEN WE'RE PUTTING A LOT MORE CONCRETE AND TAKING AWAY A LOT OF LAND, WHERE'S ALL THAT FLOODWATER GOING TO GO? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT IS LINDA KRISHNA, 1333 MONTGOMERY LANE, SOUTH LAKE, TEXAS. WE'LL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6A AND 6B. >> HELLO. I'M LINDA KRISHNA, 1333 MONTGOMERY LANE, SOUTH LAKE, TEXAS. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. THANK YOU FOR HEARING US. I'M TALKING IN OPPOSITION TO THE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. THE BRAMLO IS A HUGE COMMUTER FEEDER ROAD, SO AS CONTINENTAL, WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE DURING TRAFFIC HOUR. CONTINENTAL IS BUMPER TO BUMPER. I LIVE IN WARWICK, GREEN, SO WE DEAL WITH THIS TO LEAVE OR ENTER MY OWN DEVELOPMENT DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME OF DAY IT IS. THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT CONCERN FOR EVERYBODY. WE ALL KNOW THIS IS A HIGH DENSITY AREA, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. THOSE HOUSES ARE PACKED IN. I JUST GET TO FEEL THAT THERE'S A LOSS OF VISION OF WHAT SOUTH LAKE FOUNDERS WANTED TO HAVE FOR OUR CITY AND WHAT OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS WANT. WHEN I LOOK AT THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT'S LIKE INDUSTRIAL. YOU HAVE A L SHAPED HIGH DENSITY RESIDENCY. YOU HAVE ANOTHER LITTLE SLIVER OF INDUSTRIAL, AND THEN YOU HAVE A BIG HUGE JET FUEL FARM, AND IT'S JUST ALL TOGETHER BIZARRE. IT JUST IS. IT'S NOT THE VISION OF SOUTH LAKE, IT'S NOT WHAT THE OTHER AREAS OF SOUTH LAKE ARE LIKE. I DON'T THINK I WOULD EVER PAY EVEN A MILLION TO LIVE THERE A STONE'S THROW FROM THE JET FUEL TANKS. IT'S JUST A BIZARRE DEVELOPMENT. IT DOES SET A PRECEDENCE FOR THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE GOT HUNDREDS OF ACRES OF THE COW PROPERTY LEFT. SOMEDAY IT'LL BE DEVELOPED, AND WITH THIS PRECEDENT THAT'S SET I JUST DON'T THINK BRAMLO IS SUSTAINABLE FOR THAT TRAFFIC. I KNOW IT'S NOT AND I KNOW CONTINENTAL ISN'T EITHER. I WONDER WHAT THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENTS WILL BE LIKE IF THIS IS THE PROTOTYPE. IT'S REALLY CONCERNING. I ALSO WONDER, IF I'M SOMEONE IN A HURRY GOING TO WORK, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO TURN INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'M GOING TO USE IT TO GO ON OVER TO CONTINENTAL. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD WANT TO DO, AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY IN THEIR FRUSTRATION [02:05:02] OF THE TRAFFIC SITUATION WOULD WANT TO DO TOO. THAT SHOULD BE INTERESTING. THESE ARE JUST ALL THINGS. I HOPE YOU REALLY SLOW DOWN, TAKE YOUR TIME BECAUSE IT'S BIZARRE. IT JUST IS. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I HAVE RYAN JACOBSON, 1218, WOODSEY COURT. WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THESE ITEMS. >> HELLO, COUNCIL. RYAN JACOBSON, 1218 WOODSEY COURT. I FULLY SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE THE LOT RIGHT NEXT TO LOT 55 WITH THE BOXES, WHERE THE BIG FOUR MILLION DOLLAR HOME WILL PROBABLY GO RIGHT IN MY BACKYARD. BUT YET, I STILL SUPPORT THIS FOR MANY REASONS. THE REALITY IS THIS LAND IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. IT'S WITHIN THEIR LEGAL RIGHT TO DEVELOP IT. IT'S CURRENTLY INDUSTRIAL FOR THE FUTURE LAND. USE PLAN, WHICH I THINK IS A TERRIBLE MISTAKE FROM THE PAST. THEY HAVE OUR RESIDENTIAL STREET, WOODSEY, AND TIMBER LINE ZONE AS FUTURE INDUSTRIAL TOO, WHICH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE SINCE WE'RE RESIDENTIAL. THERE'S RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST, THE NORTH, THE EAST. THIS MAKES MORE SENSE TO BE RESIDENTIAL. IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC, WE CURRENTLY LIVE ON WOODSEY COURT. LAST YEAR, WE LIVED IN SOUTH HOLLOW JUST TO THE NORTH. WE LIVED THERE RENTING A HOME WHILE WE BUILT OUR HOME. THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS 54 HOMES, AND THERE'S HARDLY ANY TRAFFIC. YOU LIVED THERE FOR A YEAR, YOU STEP OUTSIDE, YOU NEVER SEE A CAR. YOU PULL OUT, YOU MIGHT SEE ONE CAR WHEN YOU'RE LEAVING AND COMING. I CHALLENGE ANYONE HERE TO GO HANG OUT AT SOUTH HOLLOW FOR FIVE, 10 MINUTES, SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE. THERE'S NO TRAFFIC. FIFTY-FOUR HOMES IS NOT THAT MUCH TRAFFIC. I PROMISE YOU. IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY, I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT TIMBERON AS OPPOSED TO THE DENSITY CONSIDERING 30 YEARS AGO, THEY SET THE PRECEDENT WITH THE VILLAS IN TIMBERON. THOSE HOMES ARE REALLY SMALL, REALLY SMALL LOTS. MONTGOMERY STREET, RIGHT HERE. THOSE HOMES ARE SIX FEET SIDE SETBACKS, 5-6 FEET. LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS. THOSE ARE IN THERE TYPE. THERE'S PRECEDENT FOR THIS FOR 30 YEARS OF NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE IT IS SMALLER DENSITY. NOW, I'M NOT FOR HIGH DENSITY IN THE SENSE OF, LET'S PACK THE ENTIRE SITE. WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THEY'RE GIVING 13 ACRES BACK TO US AS A COMMUNITY. NATURE, WILD LIFE, THEY GET TO ENJOY IT. THE DRAINAGE GETS TO STAY IN PLACE. THAT CREEK HAS BEEN THERE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. IT NEEDS TO REMAIN. YES, THE DRAINAGE HAS BEEN AN ISSUE, BUT NEW DEVELOPMENTS GOING TO SOLVE THAT. WHENEVER YOU DO NEW DEVELOPMENT, NEW GRADING HAPPENS. IT'S BACKED UP RIGHT NOW IN CONTINENTAL BECAUSE IT'S A PASTURE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW UNTIL THERE'S NEW DEVELOPMENT. THAT'LL GRADE BETTER. THINGS WILL START FLOWING DOWNHILL AT A FASTER RATE. WE MOVED HERE IN 1992. WE'VE SEEN THIS TOWN CHANGE QUITE A BIT. MY MOM WAS THE WELCOME WAGON LADY. SHE WELCOMED 5,000 PEOPLE TO THIS TOWN WITH OPEN ARMS. IT MAKES ME SAD THAT WE'RE NOT WELCOMING 56 MORE POTENTIALLY. I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC DEVELOPMENT. I'D MUCH RATHER SEE SOME OF THESE IN FILLS LIKE THIS, NOT EVERY LOT IN SOUTH LAKE NEEDS TO BE A HALF ACRE FOUR MILLION DOLLAR HOME. IT'S HARD FOR OUR GENERATION TO AFFORD TO FOUR MILLION DOLLAR HOME. THESE WILL SELL FOR 1.5. A LOT MORE QUALIFIED BUYERS THERE. IF THEY'RE GIVING UP THE GREEN SPACE, WE ALL WIN BECAUSE WE GET TO SEE SOME OF THE NATURAL WILDLIFE, THE FARMS THAT WE GREW UP SEEING IN OUR TOWN. IF EVERYTHING IS JUST A FULL NEIGHBORHOOD PACKED TO THE GILLS, THEN IT LOOKS LIKE PLANO. >> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT IS LORI SCHNEIDER, 1418 MONARCH WAY, HERE IN SOUTH LAKE. WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6A AND 6B. >> HELLO, Y'ALL. MY NAME IS LORI SCHNEIDER, AND I AM A 20-YEAR RESIDENT OF SOUTHLAKE. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS MY CONCERNS ON THIS. IT IS NOT THAT WE'RE NOT WELCOMING OF NEW PEOPLE. WE'VE BEEN HERE 20 YEARS, OBVIOUSLY, WE WERE NEW AT ONE POINT. WHAT WE'RE NOT WELCOMING OF IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT FIRST OF ALL, DOESN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE PROBLEMS THAT COULD HAPPEN. MY HUSBAND WILL COME UP HERE AND TALK EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE FLOODING PROBLEMS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER WHAT WAS AROUND THEM. FOR ME, THE TRAFFIC IS MY MAIN CONCERN. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO DO ON BRUMLOW. IT IS A NIGHTMARE TO GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LIVE IN WARWICK GREEN THERE RIGHT NOW. WE KNOW IT'S A NIGHTMARE ON CONTINENTAL. LITERALLY, WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO REALLY HAVE A BAD ACCIDENT. I HATE TO EVEN SAY THAT. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A RIGHT-HAND TURN LANE, A LEFT-HAND TURN LANE. WE CAN'T PUT A LIGHT THERE BECAUSE OF THE ROUNDABOUT. I THINK MY MAIN THING IS WE JUST NEED TO DO SOME DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE A PROJECT IS DONE. [02:10:03] IN MY OPINION, THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT IS NOT KEEPING WITH SOUTHLAKE. WE KNOW THAT THE NUMBERS ARE ONLY CLOSE TO SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE ADDING IN THE FLOODPLAIN WITH THE ACREAGE. BUT I REALLY THINK THAT Y'ALL AS A CITY COUNCIL, YOU HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THERE'S PLANNING TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS IN SO THERE'S NOT AN IMPACT ON CURRENT RESIDENTS. I WOULD ASSUME 20 YEARS AGO, WHEN WE MOVED IN, THEY DID THAT DUE DILIGENCE AS WELL. WE'RE NOT ASKING AND NOT BEING NOT WELCOMING. WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT WHEN Y'ALL DO IT, YOU DO IT WITH A LOT OF FORETHOUGHT, AND A LOT OF PLANNING, AND DON'T PUT US IN A BURDEN BECAUSE I HEARD I THINK IT'S 2030, SO SIX YEARS. Y'ALL ARE PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHING TO BRUMLOW, BUT YET THIS COULD GO AHEAD AND BE BUILT ALONG WITH THE MUNICIPAL CENTER, LET ME SAY, BECAUSE THERE'S A MUNICIPAL FIRE AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING IN THERE. LET ME MAKE SURE I GOT EVERYTHING, SORRY ABOUT THIS. I THINK THAT IS IT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I KNOW YOU GUYS SPENT A LOT OF TIME DEALING WITH THE DETAILS OF MINUTIA, AND WE DO REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF BEHIND THE SCENE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. NEXT IS EMILY ARMSTRONG AT 345 HIGHLAND OAK CIRCLE. WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6A AND 6B. OR MAYBE NOT. EMILY ARMSTRONG, WE'LL RECORD HER OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6A AND 6B. NEXT IS IRIS, AND THERE'S NO LAST NAME ON THE FORM, 1432 SANDSTONE COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, WHICH IS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. ANYONE NAMED IRIS? NO. WE'LL RECORD HER OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. NEXT IS ORIS. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LAST NAME, DOC NOWINSKI AT 1230 WOODSEY COURT, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE ON THE LAST NAME. NO. WE'LL RECORD THAT OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. MARY SHAFER, 1218 MERLOT DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. MARY SHAFER. WE'LL RECORD THAT OPPOSITION. LEANNE FORSBERG, 1506, SPRUCE COURT, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. LEANNE FORSBERG. NO. WE'LL RECORD THAT OPPOSITION. SOPHIA RIVERO, 902 SOUTH HOLLOW COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. SOPHIA. NO. WE'LL RECORD THAT OPPOSITION. TODD SCHNEIDER, 1418 MONARCH WAY, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEMS 6A AND 6B. COME ON DOWN, SIR. >> GOOD EVENING. TODD SCHNEIDER 1418 MONARCH WAY. WE'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR 20 YEARS. WE'RE RIGHT IN THE WARWICK GREEN ADDITION TO THE LEFT THERE, AND WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO ALL THIS GOING ON THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. WE DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC, WE DEAL WITH ALL SORTS OF STUFF THAT GOES ON BRUMLOW AS THEY'VE DEVELOPED STUFF. I AM FOR HAVING A HOUSING AREA THERE. DON'T GET ME WRONG. I'D RATHER HAVE IT THERE THAN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. BUT THE TRAFFIC ON BRUMLOW IS ALREADY SIGNIFICANTLY HINDERED IF WE CAN'T EVEN LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GO NORTH ON BRUMLOW. IF WE EXIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THERE AND TRY TO TAKE A LEFT AND GO NORTH, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET OUT OF THERE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE BOTH DIRECTIONS. WE TAUGHT OUR KIDS AND OURSELVES, WE GO ALL THE WAY OUT OVER CONTINENTAL AND HAVE TO BACK TRACK BACK TO THAT AREA TO GET THERE. THE TRAFFIC ALREADY IS BAD. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD STICK A LIGHT OR DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT IS BLIND, BOTH DIRECTIONS ARE ALREADY ON BRUMLOW. I DO NOT LIKE THAT WE'LL BE INCREASING TRAFFIC. I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD CONSIDER A LITTLE MORE OF HOW WE EASE THAT TRAFFIC BEFORE THIS GOES IN, BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY HAVING PROBLEMS NOW. HOW DO WE GO IN AND EASE THAT BY POSSIBLY WIDENING BRUMLOW NOW, MAKING LIFE A LITTLE EASIER FOR EVERYONE? THE TRAIN DOESN'T HELP. THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT DON'T HELP THERE, AND THEN YOU ADD A LIGHT, AND YOU ADD MORE TRAFFIC. WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC FROM, I'M ASSUMING THE CITY BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE THERE. BECAUSE I SEE THAT TRAFFIC LEAVE THE CITY BUILDING ON CONTINENTAL ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE MY OFFICE IS JUST DOWN PAST CONTINENTAL NEAR THE DRAGON STADIUM. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO DISCUSS IS FLOODING ISSUES. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF FLOODING ISSUES IN SOUTHLAKE AND [02:15:02] DIFFERENT AREAS FROM WHERE THERE WERE NEW DEVELOPMENTS BEING PUT IN. I WOULD HOPE YOU GUYS WOULD ADDRESS THIS BEFORE APPROVING IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT CREATE A FLOODING ISSUE AND CHANGING, I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS, BUT IF YOU CHANGE THAT NATURAL FLOW REGIME THAT'S THERE THAT THE INFLOW GOES INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT, IT'S GOING TO CAUSE MORE BACKUP TO THE NORTH OF THAT. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE IT WHERE IT'S ABLE TO FLOW INTO THAT AREA AND THAT'S THE REASON THEY HAVE THE FLOODPLAIN THAT'S THERE. IT'S PRETTY AND IT'S NICE, BUT THAT'S THE REASON IT'S THERE. THERE ARE ALREADY FLOODING ISSUES ON CONTINENTAL. WHAT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN SOUTHLAKE, THERE ARE THREE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE PUT IN THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING FLOODING ISSUES. YOU'VE GOT WINDING CREEK DEVELOPMENT OFF SOUTH CARROLL AVENUE. IT CLAUSES THE EAST SIDE OF CARROLL AVENUE TO FLOOD. IT'S FLOODED ALL THE TIME WHENEVER IT'S RAINING, BECAUSE THEY RAISED THE ROAD. THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE NORTH OF THE WESTIN HOTEL AND GATEWAY CHURCH ARE EXPERIENCING FLOODING ISSUES AND SOIL EROSION IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY'RE HAVING TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON HOW TO FIX THIS. THE HAWKWOOD SUBDIVISION ON KINGSLEY COURT THAT'S ON SOUTH PEYTONVILLE. SAME THING. THEY'RE HAVING ISSUES TO THE HOUSES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THAT AREA. THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED, AND PEOPLE ARE MOVING BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE THERE BECAUSE ALL THEIR LOTS ARE GETTING FLOODED NOW. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING Y'ALL DO. >> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, I HAVE AMY SMITH, 1003 SOUTH HOLLOW DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. AMY SMITH. WE'LL RECORD THAT OPPOSITION. NEXT UP IS ANAN DON LALITH KUMAR, 1012 SOUTH HOLLOW DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO 6B. WE'LL RECORD THAT OPPOSITION. MATTHEW SMITH, 1003 SOUTH HOLLOW DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. WE'LL RECORD THAT OPPOSITION. LINDSAY HART AT 1337 MONTGOMERY LANE, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. LINDSAY HART. WE'LL RECORD THAT OPPOSITION. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO INDICATED THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. I HAVE THE COMMENT CARDS NOW FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT INDICATE A WISH TO SPEAK. BUT AS I CALL YOUR NAME, IF YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR MIND AND WANT TO COME ON UP, JUST GET MY ATTENTION AND COME ON DOWN. FIRST IS TRACY FREDKIN, 1001 EVENING GLEN COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD MY OPPOSITION. YES. >> COME ON DOWN AND JUST GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> THANK YOU. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> NO PROBLEM. I PROBABLY SUBMITTED TO THE WRONG FORM. THINGS HAPPEN. MY NAME IS PAUL HASSFLZ, 1220 WOODSEY COURT. I HAVE THE HOUSE THAT'S JUST THERE IN THE CENTER EAST OF THE PROPERTY, AND I WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMENTS RELATING TO THE WATER, AND WE DO HAVE A WATER DRAINAGE CHALLENGE TODAY. JUNE OF '19, WE HAD A SEVERE BACKUP CAUSED BY THE CITY STREETS THAT CAUSED US TO GET WATER INTO OUR GARAGE, AND WE HAD TO PUT IN COMMERCIAL DRAINING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WATER WAS MITIGATED. IT'S A CONTINUOUS PROBLEM. JUST LAST WEEKEND, WE HAD WATER ISSUES ON CONTINENTAL THAT COMPLETELY CLOSED THE FRONT END OF WOODSEY COURT. WATER IS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE. REGARDLESS OF WHAT GOES IN HERE, WE NEED TO MITIGATE THE WATER, BUT A LOT OF THE CONCERNS AROUND TRAFFIC PLANS, AS WAS POINTED OUT EARLIER, INDUSTRIAL IS WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR TODAY. INDUSTRIAL WILL LEAD TO TWICE AS MANY TRAFFIC-RELATED ISSUES THAN A RESIDENTIAL PLAN. I LIKE THE COHESIVE NATURE OF JOINING THE LEFT-HAND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITH THE TWO STREETS TO THE RIGHT IN CREATING A LARGER RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. I'VE BEEN CONCERNED, IN THE 13 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED HERE, ON THE 2030 PLAN THAT WAS DEVELOPED WHERE EVERYTHING WAS LABELED INDUSTRIAL. WE'VE JUST RECENTLY HAD ALL OF THAT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING THAT WENT INTO THE SOUTH OF OUR PROPERTY ON THE END OF OUR STREET. I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS SPACE WOULD GO THE SAME ROUTE. BY PROVIDING A MORE COHESIVE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVING THE OPEN SPACE, I'D LIKE TO SEE A COMMUNITY FORM. WE HAD REQUESTED SIDEWALKS TO BE CONSTRUCTED FOR SEVEN YEARS WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE, AND IT WAS FINALLY BUILT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT ROAD. WE STILL DON'T HAVE ACCESS FROM THE SOUTH SIDE TO THE NORTH SIDE THAT CONNECTS OLD UNION, DAWSON, U BANKS, SOUTHLAKE SPORTS COMPLEX, DRAGON STADIUM. [02:20:03] KIDS CAN'T CROSS THAT ROAD. WE'RE HOPING THAT WHEN WE CREATE A MORE COHESIVE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY FAVORING THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF THIS COMMUNITY, THAT WE'LL ALSO MAYBE HAVE SOME METHODOLOGY FOR CHILDREN TO CROSS THAT STREET AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. WE'LL CHECK ON THAT COMMENT CARD. IF IT CAME IN LATER THIS AFTERNOON, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN COLLECTED IN TIME FOR THE PACKET, BUT WE'LL CHECK ON THAT, BUT YOUR COMMENTS ARE PART OF THE RECORD. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I ALREADY MENTIONED TRACY FREDKIN, 1001, EVENING GLENN COURT, NOT HERE, BUT WE WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, BUT WE'LL RECORD THAT OPPOSITION. SORRY. STEVEN UNGER, 918 MIDLAND CREEK DRIVE, IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD OPPOSITION. INA UNGER, 918 MIDLAND CREEK DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. JACKIE BAUMAN, 1103 VERSAILLES COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO 6B. LET'S SEE. HERE'S THE ONLINE SUBMITTALS. MARIA YANKOWSKI, 1426 MONTGOMERY LANE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. ERIN PITCHER, 1425, MONTGOMERY LANE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. STEVEN CARPE, 1422 MONARCH WAY, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. JESSICA HINTS, 1433 SANDSTONE COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. OH. GOING TO SPEAK? COME ON, DOWN. AGAIN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> HI. I'M JESSICA HINTS, 1433 SANDSTONE COURT. HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 20 YEARS. I'M NOT NECESSARILY IN OPPOSITION OF A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THERE EITHER, BUT I DO THINK THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC. I ALSO LIVE IN WARWICK GREEN, AND THE EXIT THAT I TAKE IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DOCUMENT. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO EXIT WARWICK AND GO LEFT, HEADING UP TOWARDS TOWN SQUARE AT 7, 8, 9, THEN ALSO, 3, 4, 5, 6 BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD ALL THE WAY ON BRUMLOW. ALSO, AT THE VERY TOP OF THE MAP, WHERE THE ROUNDABOUT IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF BRUMLOW, YOU CANNOT TURN LEFT ON THAT ONE STREET RIGHT THERE, THE LITTLE SIDE STREET, BUT PEOPLE STILL DO THAT, SO THE TRAFFIC GETS BACKED UP ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE AS WELL PAST THE ENTRANCE OF WARWICK GREEN BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO TURN LEFT WHEN THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS, NO LEFT HAND TURN. IF THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE FIXED UNTIL 2030, THAT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'RE SILL GOING TO END UP WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC FROM ALL THESE HOMES HERE, AND THEN ALSO, FROM CONTINENTAL. THE OTHER THING I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO LOOK AT IS THE BUS ROUTES. IF WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE NEW HOMES GOING IN, THE BUSES ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM GOING UP AND DOWN ON CONTINENTAL TO KIMBALL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE BUS YARD IS. I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ASK THEM WHAT THAT TRAFFIC LOOKS LIKE AS WELL. AGAIN, ON CONTINENTAL, TRYING TO GO AT 345, PROBABLY ONE, DAWSON AND U BANKS GETS OUT OF SCHOOL ALL THE WAY UNTIL 6:00 OR 7:00, YOU CAN'T GO ON CONTINENTAL. IT'LL TAKE YOU AN HOUR TO GET BETWEEN KIMBALL AND BRUMLOW ON CONTINENTAL, WHICH IS NOT REASONABLE. MOST OF US THAT LIVE IN TIMBERON, WHICH IS A GREAT, GIANT BIG NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WOULD GO DOWN AND GO ON BYRON NELSON OR WE WOULD COME UP TO EVEN WHITE'S CHAPEL AND GO AROUND THE BACK WAY, WHICH IS A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. THIS LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S RIGHT IN HERE, THERE'S ONLY TWO WAYS IN AND OUT, CONTINENTAL, AND BRUMLOW. WITH THOSE TWO ROADS BEING COMPLETE DISASTERS AT THAT TIME, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET HOME? I JUST ASK YOU PLEASE TO SLOW DOWN, LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE TRAFFIC, AND THEN PAY ATTENTION TO THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE WATER STUDIES AND MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER REALLY LOOKS AT THOSE THINGS BECAUSE IF IT'S A FLOODPLAIN, CHANCES ARE IT WAS A FLOODPLAIN FOR A REASON. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I HAVE ERIC CARL, 604 NORTHWOOD COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6A. ALIS SCHUMACHER, 1325 BENT TRAIL CIRCLE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO 6A. CARLOS TREVINO,1012 PINE MEADOW COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. [02:25:04] I THINK WE ALREADY COVERED THIS ONE, LEANNE FORSBERG DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. TINA HOWELL, 1021 SOUTH HOLLOW DRIVE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6A AND 6B. GLORIA AND BRIAN ANDING 1401, VENA ROSA COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD, I GUESS FOR BOTH OF THEM, THEIR OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6A. MARISSA MCFADDEN, 1,000 PINE MEADOW COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. ROBERTO TORRES, 1510 SPRUCE COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. MAJID DADAR, 904 SOUTH HOLLOW COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO 6B. MAN DEEP MATA, 1001 SOUTH HOLLOW DRIVE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. MADISON ORSER,1017 SOUTH HOLLOW DRIVE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. MARY STAERCKE. APOLOGIZE ON THE LAST NAME, S-T-A-E-R-C-K-E AT 1011 PINE MEADOW COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 6B. FREDERICK PAGET, 1005 PINE MEADOW COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 6B. KATHY BRYAN AT 1003 PINE MEADOW COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 6B. TIM TY, 1341 MONTGOMERY LANE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. ASMINA LALSMI, NO ADDRESS GIVEN, BUT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK AND WANTS TO RECORD OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. CRYSTAL OCHOKOWSKI, 1512, SPRUCE COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. PATRICIA CARPE 1422 MONARCH WAY, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. SHAMSUDIN LULANI, AT 1326 MONTGOMERY LANE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. MICHAEL RILEY, 1000, SOUTH HOLLOW DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6B. LINDA WILSON AT 1420 SANDSTONE COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 6A. ASLAMA VANGALA, 1417 MONARCH WAY, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. DELANA JOLLY, AT 1728 BYRON NELSON PARKWAY, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. KIM DAVIS, AT 1438 MONTGOMERY LANE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 6A AND 6B. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, MARK DUMAS AT 906 SOUTH HALLOW COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 6B. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR HAND IN A COMMENT CARD? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNSEL, DO YOU WANT FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILOW, DIRECTOR COHEN, OR THE APPLICANT? HOW DO YOU WANT TO GO? I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WITH THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RANDY, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN WE'VE APPROVED SOMETHING AT SECOND READING, AND THEN WE GET TO A SITE PLAN AND IT'S KEL CAPRIZ. I DON'T KNOW, CARA, IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT THERE'S SOME WORDING IN THE TZD DISTRICT GUIDELINES. MAYBE IF WE CAN JUST PUT THIS IN THERE, IT'S PRESUMED TO READ THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENTS OF THE DISTRICT ARE TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH EACH OTHER. I FEEL LIKE IF WE LEAVE THIS AS IS, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF THIS PASSES AT A SITE PLAN, ANY COMMERCIAL BUILDING COULD SHOW UP. [02:30:03] WELL, NO, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH ONE OF THE THREE RENDERINGS THAT WERE PROVIDED IN THE PACKET, AS IT STANDS NOW, BUT IF YOU WISH TO REQUIRE CONSISTENCY, THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU PROPOSED WOULD ACCOMPLISH THAT. THEN IF YOU WISH TO FURTHER PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON WHICH OF THE THREE OR TO STAFF SUGGESTION IF THERE WAS ONE OF THE THREE THAT YOU DIDN'T LIKE, SAY, NOT THAT ONE, BUT ONE OF THESE TWO WOULD WORK, AND THEY HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT, YOU COULD DO THAT AS WELL. I THINK I'M FINE WITH THE CONSISTENCY BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEVELOPER MAY OR MAY NOT. HE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING THERE EXACTLY OR LEASED IT OR SO FORTH. IF THE REST OF COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH THAT, I WOULD BE FINE WITH JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW IT NEEDS TO ALL BE COMPATIBLE. DOES THAT GIVE US ENOUGH LEEWAY AT A SITE PLAN IF IT PASSES? WHAT ARE ALL YOUR THOUGHTS? I AGREE, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE AS FAR AS TYING IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND HAVING SOME MORE SPECIFICITY. IT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PART AND GETTING SOME MORE SPECIFICS ON WHAT COULD OR COULDN'T GO THERE. I AGREE. GOT THAT, RANDY? I DO. ARE YOU DONE, COUNCIL MEMBER TALLY? YES, SIR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR EITHER DIRECTOR COHEN OR DIRECTOR KILOW, REGARDING BRUMLOW AND CONTINENTAL. WHOEVER'S MOST PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT. COULD YOU TELL US ONE MORE TIME, JUST REMIND US EXACTLY WHAT ARE THE FUTURE PLANS FOR THOSE TWO THOROUGHFARES, AND WHEN? YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. THERE ARE PLANS AS PART OF THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO WIDEN BRUMLOW TO A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED ARTERIAL. RIGHT NOW, FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY OPTIMISTICALLY BREAKING GROUND IN 27. PESSIMISTICALLY, IT COULD BE 28 OR 29, AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE, AS YOU RECALL, THIS PROJECT RECEIVED ABOUT $2.5 MILLION OF FEDERAL FUNDING. ONCE WE UNDERSTAND THE STIPULATIONS WITH FEDERAL FUNDING, AS USUALLY THEY REQUIRE SOME EXTENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT. WE'RE NOT SURE THE EXTENT OF WHAT'S REQUIRED ASSOCIATED WITH THIS MONEY IN THIS PROJECT. IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, WHICH COULD TAKE MAYBE SIX MONTHS, IT COULD BE MORE DEPTH AND BREADTH, WHICH MAY TAKE UPWARDS OF 12-18 MONTHS. RIGHT NOW, AS OF TWO MONTHS AGO FROM CONGRESSWOMAN VAN DUYNE STAFF, THEY HAD HAD NOT RECEIVED DIRECTION ON THE LIMITATIONS OR STIPULATIONS WITH THOSE FUNDS. AS SOON AS WE KNOW, WE'LL CERTAINLY LET YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S LIKE THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT PIECE RIGHT NOW. YOU SAID OPTIMISTICALLY 27. YES, SIR. IS THERE ZERO POSSIBILITY THAT THOSE FUNDS WERE AVAILABLE BEFORE THAT? THAT'S POSSIBLE. WE KNOW THAT THE FUNDS WERE AVAILABLE AS PART OF THE FEDERAL APPROPRIATION THAT WAS PASSED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. AS FAR AS I KNOW THAT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THOSE FUNDS, OR RECEIVE WORD AS TO WHEN WE CAN EXPECT THOSE FUNDS. WE'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP, SIR, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT QUESTION. THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTIONS ARE THIS, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT INDEPENDENT OF THIS APPLICATION TRAFFIC'S A PROBLEM. YES SIR. THAT'S A ROUGH TRAFFIC AREA, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS DEVELOPMENT ISN'T THE PROBLEM. QUITE HONESTLY, IF YOU DEVELOP THIS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IT'S MY POSITION THAT IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S GOING TO BE A WORSE PROBLEM AS FAR AS CONTRIBUTING TO THE TRAFFIC. I'LL GIVE YOU AT RUSH HOUR IN THE MORNING, IN THE EVENING, YOU COULD ARGUE THE RESIDENTIAL COULD BE A LITTLE MORE OF A CHALLENGE, BUT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS GOING TO BE ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, AND YOU'RE TALKING TRACTOR TRAILERS, BOX TRUCKS, DELIVERY TRUCKS, TRUCKS WITH TRAILERS ON THE BACK OF THEM. AT LEAST MY POSITION ON THIS IS THAT THE INDUSTRIAL USE IS WORSE FOR CONTRIBUTING TO THE TRAFFIC, AND PERHAPS IT'S A ISSUE FOR US TO TAKE UP SEPARATELY, BUT I'D REALLY LIKE US TO LOOK AGGRESSIVELY AT WHAT WE CAN DO HERE BECAUSE IT WASN'T LOST TO ME THAT THE APPLICANT SHARED THAT HE DOESN'T LIKELY PLAN TO BREAK GROUND ON THIS FOR 2-3 YEARS. IS THAT MR. SHELLING? HE'S NODDING HIS HEAD, 2-3. WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN MID 24. YES SIR. THREE YEARS FROM NOW IS 27. THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE OPTIMISTIC VIEW OF WIDENING BRUMLOW, BUT IF THERE WERE A WAY TO MAKE THAT EVEN MORE OPTIMISTIC AND REALLY PUT THAT IN OUR CROSSHAIRS, THERE'S POTENTIAL HERE TO TRY TO WORK ON BRUMLOW [02:35:02] EVEN IN ADVANCE OF MR. SHELLING BREAKING GROUND ON THIS PROPERTY. I THINK WE NEED TO GET VERY CREATIVE AND VERY AGGRESSIVE AS A COUNSEL AND AS A STAFF. IF WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T. I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T JUST MAKE THINGS HAPPEN, BUT INDEPENDENT OF THIS APPLICATION, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. YES SIR. IF NOTHING ELSE, THIS APPLICATION BRINGS TO LIGHT THOSE CHALLENGES. CERTAINLY. YES SIR. AS LONG AS YOU'RE THERE, LET ME SEE IF I HAD ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. DID YOU WANT TO TALK CONTINENTAL, SIR? YOU TALKED ABOUT BRUMLOW. YES SIR. CERTAINLY. SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE UTILIZED ENGINEERING TO ASSESS THE INDUSTRIAL SUB AREAS WE'RE CALLING IT AT FULL BUILD OUT. PART OF THAT ALSO INCLUDED THE POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL AS IT'S PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE BUILD OUT OF THE SSC. PART OF THAT FINDING WAS THAT INITIAL INDICATIONS ARE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD SOME TYPE OF ADDITIONAL TURN LANES WITHIN CONTINENTAL TO AFFORD AND TO RELIEVE SOME OF THE CONGESTION FOR IN AND OUT INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR THE SSC AT FULL BUILD OUT. THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IN ASSESSING, AS WE TALKED EARLIER IN THE SPDC MEETING, PART OF THE ASSESSMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE PHASING OF THAT, AND THEN THAT'S GOING TO DICTATE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ASSESS THE TRAFFIC ON CONTINENTAL AT THE ROUNDABOUT, AS WELL AS BRUMLOW SIR. THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN THIS SECTOR OF OUR COMMUNITY. INDEPENDENT OF THIS APPLICATION, IN MY OPINION, ONE OF SEVEN, WE REALLY NEED TO GET AGGRESSIVE ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO THERE TO HELP OUT THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA. I THINK IT'S CRITICAL. YES SIR. BUT I DO STAND BY AT LEAST MY THOUGHTS THAT INDUSTRIAL CREATES AT LEAST, IF NOT WORSE OF A TRAFFIC SITUATION FOR THIS AREA. I'M EVEN PICTURING, I'VE SEEN PLENTY OF TIMES IN OTHER AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE A LARGE VEHICLE PULLING A TRAILER OR A TRACTOR TRAILER, AND THEY DON'T CARE, THEY HAVE TO GET OUT. WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY POKE OUT, AND NOW THEY'RE SITTING, AND THEY'RE 100% BLOCKING THE RIGHT-HAND LANE, TRYING TO GET LEFT, AND THAT'S FAR MORE COMPLICATED THAN A SINGLE PASSENGER VEHICLE, BUT THANK YOU. IT'S HELPFUL. YES, SIR. ANYTHING ELSE, RANDY? NOT RIGHT NOW, THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON ON THE WHOLE INDUSTRIAL, YOU CAN TAKE A SEAT. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT. ON THE INDUSTRIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL, I THINK WHEN YOU AND I WERE ON COUNCIL YEARS AGO, WE HAD AN ANALOGOUS SITUATION OVER BY ESTES PARK, AND ACROSS WHITE CHAPEL WAS A COMMERCIAL OR IT WAS ZONED FOR FUTURE LAND USE FOR COMMERCIAL. I THINK THE RESIDENTS IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND DOVE AND WHITE CHAPEL HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. WHEN THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DOWN ZONE IT TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN A COMMERCIAL PROJECT, I THINK WE MADE THE RIGHT CALL, AND I THINK EVERYTHING'S WORKED OUT REALLY WELL ON THAT. THIS IS BRINGING BACK MEMORIES OF THAT WHERE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE IT DOWN FROM INDUSTRIAL AND WHETHER IT'S FUEL TANKS OR WAREHOUSES. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, NOW, OF COURSE, NOW THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS. WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. POINTS WELL TAKEN FROM EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, AND THOSE WHO HAVE SUBMITTED COMMENTS, BY EMAIL AND THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA AND HAVE CALLED VARIOUS MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I'VE REALLY BEEN FOCUSED ON THE TEALWOOD PIECE OF THIS PUZZLE AND DROVE THROUGH IT AGAIN THE OTHER NIGHT WITH MY WIFE ON THE WAY TO DINNER. I STRUGGLE WITH DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S AT TEALWOOD. PEOPLE MIGHT NOT LIKE TEALWOOD, BUT I THINK THAT WHATEVER GOES HERE NEEDS TO MATCH UP TO TEALWOOD. I THINK AND DIRECTOR KILOW AND I WORKED THROUGH THE NUMBERS. IF YOU WENT WITH THE APPROXIMATELY QUARTER ACRE LOTS, APPROXIMATELY 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS THAT WOULD BRING DOWN THE RESIDENTIAL PART OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN FROM 56-45, SO ABOUT, 19% REDUCTION, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE DID ON ANOTHER RECENT CASE OVER ACROSS THE STREET ON CALWOOD, WHERE WE BROUGHT THAT ONE DOWN 26% FROM WHAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT TO WHAT WE VOTED ON AND APPROVED. I KNOW THAT FOR DEVELOPERS AND MORE LOTS IS BETTER, BUT I REALLY THINK I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS IF IT MATCHED UP TO TEALWOOD AND HAD THOSE 10,000 QUARTER ACRE LOT SIZES THROUGHOUT THE RESIDENTIAL PART. [02:40:03] AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT A 19% REDUCTION ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON IT, AND I'M JUST ONE VOTE UP HERE, BUT ANYONE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE OR THAT? >> I THINK I WOULDN'T DISAGREE WITH IT WITH A LOT OF THOSE STANCES. I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION WE HAVE TO ASK THE DEVELOPER. DOES HE EVEN WANT US TO VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE IT 20%? ARE WE GOING TO GIVE HIM SOMETHING THAT'S IRRELEVANT? I THINK THE BIGGEST STRUGGLE FOR ME ON THIS IS WE ARE DOWN ZONING THIS. WE ARE MAKING IT BETTER, AND I THINK THAT THE TIMING IS FRUSTRATING FOR A LOT OF FOLKS BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC, AND I GET THAT. I'VE DRIVEN CONTINENTAL, I'VE DRIVEN BRUMLOW, I'VE DRIVEN IT ALL AT THOSE NASTY TIMES, BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, RANDY. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE ISSUE. [LAUGHTER] THE TRAFFIC IS A NIGHTMARE THERE. I DO THINK THIS DEVELOPMENT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT LETS THEM START THE PROCESS NOW THAT DOESN'T COME TO FRUITION FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO JUST WHAT YOU SAID. I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME THING IF WE COULDN'T PUSH FORWARD THAT PROCESS FROM A WIDENING STANDPOINT OF BRUMLOW TO TRY TO AT LEAST ANSWER THE NORTH SOUTH THREE WAYS THERE. I THINK ONE OF THE CITIZENS DESCRIBED THIS AS BIZARRE. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY, REALLY ACCURATE DESCRIPTION FOR ALL OF THIS. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. YOU DO HAVE RESIDENTIAL. YOU'VE GOT OFFICE, YOU'VE GOT MORE RESIDENTIAL. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR MUNICIPAL SERVICES, AND YOU'VE GOT JET FUEL. WHAT'S THE BEST THING TO DO THERE? IF WE DENY THIS AND LEAVE IT INDUSTRIAL, THEN WE'VE JUST STUCK A HUGE INDUSTRIAL L IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUNCH OF RESIDENTIAL ON BOTH SIDES AND EVERYWHERE ELSE. THIS, TO ME, AT LEAST GIVES US SOME RESIDENTIAL BUFFER AS WE START TO WORK TOWARDS THIS OTHER PIECE. I GUESS I WOULD ASK THE DEVELOPER THAT QUESTION. WHAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO HERE FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT? BECAUSE IF WE'VE GOT PEOPLE SAY, HEY, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS TO BUY A HOUSE THERE. IF YOU FORCED THEM INTO HALF ACRE LOTS, YOU JUST FORCED THEM INTO FOUR-MILLION-DOLLAR HOMES. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND A MILLION BUCKS TO LIVE THERE, NO ONE'S GOING TO SPEND FOUR MILLION BUCKS TO LIVE THERE. I THINK WE HAVE TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT ALLOWS EVERYONE TO BE AS LEAST PISSED OFF AS POSSIBLE, [LAUGHTER] FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. >> WELL, I DO THINK TOO, AND I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE HE'S AT, AND THIS COULD EVEN BE SOMETHING. DIRECTOR JACKSON DOESN'T NEED TO COME OUT HERE RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE KNOWS ENOUGH ABOUT HOW LOCAL FUNDING WORKS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH FEDERAL FUNDING, AND CAN YOU ADVANCE LOCAL FUNDS IN ANTICIPATION OF FUTURE FEDERAL FUNDS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE COSTS LOOK LIKE IF THAT'S PROHIBITIVE, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO TURN OVER EVERY ROCK TO SAY, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING NOW IN ANTICIPATION OF REIMBURSEMENT FEDERALLY, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO, I DON'T KNOW. >> YEAH. >> WE JUST NEED TO INVESTIGATE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE BECAUSE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT AREA. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS APPLICATION MAY BE THE BEST THING THAT HAPPENED TO THAT AREA BECAUSE IT'S REALLY FOCUSING US IN RIGHT NOW ON WHAT'S GOING ON ON TRAFFIC AND WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. >> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT ABOUT FUTURE BUDGETS. WE'RE PRETTY DEEP INTO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET THAT WE'LL VOTE ON IN SEPTEMBER, BUT AFTER WE GET PAST THAT, WANT TO MOVE THIS UP A COUPLE OF YEARS, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING AT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND FROM ALL THE COMMENTS ABOUT BRUMLOW. >> YEAH. >> A GOOD POINT. >> I WOULD ECHO THAT. I WOULD EVEN SAY, LISTEN, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S BEEN BIDEN'S MONEY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MY MONEY STILL, BUT I THINK THIS IS CITY MONEY THAT'S WELL SPENT. THAT VEIN SERVES SO MUCH OF SOUTHLAKE AND IS SO MISERABLE, I THINK WE ALMOST AS A COUNCIL HAVE TO DO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE TO MAKE IT RIGHT. >> YEAH, AND THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO ADD, BECAUSE YOU TOUCHED ON THE COMMENT ABOUT BIZARRE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I CAN LOOK AT THIS AND GO. IT'S CERTAINLY GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT VARIATIONS TO IT. BUT A COUPLE OF NOTES I HAD MADE DURING THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY THAT I WANT TO COMMENT ON WAS, FIRST OF ALL, ON THE ISSUE OF LIKE FLOOD CONCERNS. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S A FRUSTRATION FOR EVERYBODY, AND WE SEE THAT IN DIFFERENT PLACES AROUND TOWN, BUT WE CAN'T DENY DEVELOPMENTS OVER THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE MIGHT BE. YOU JUST CAN'T DO THINGS LIKE THAT AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP THIS BEACH PARTY BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE A PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S AN INHERENT RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT TO GET THIS RIGHT. IF THEY DON'T GET IT RIGHT, THE CITY IS GOING TO BE ON THEM ABOUT GETTING THAT RIGHT. [02:45:03] THAT'S THE WHOLE INSPECTION PROCESS AND ENSURING THAT THAT'S HAPPENING, BUT WE CAN'T DENY JUST BECAUSE IT MIGHT HAVE A FLOODING PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD. THE OTHER PIECE OF IT TOO, ALONG THE LINES OF BIZARRE, AND I WOULDN'T BUY IT THERE, AND SO FORTH, THAT'S FAIR. I MAY NOT EITHER, BUT IT'S NOT OUR ROLE AS COUNCIL TO MAKE FINANCIAL AND INVESTMENT DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF DEVELOPERS. THAT'S JUST NOT OUR ROLE AS TO SAY, WELL, WE JUST DON'T THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT THERE BECAUSE I MIGHT NOT BUY A HOUSE THERE OR I MIGHT WOULD. I HOPE THE AUDIENCE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT PART OF IT IS NOT REALLY IN OUR PURVIEW TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT HOW WISE AN INVESTMENT IS ON PART OF A POTENTIAL HOME OWNER OR AN APPLICANT DEVELOPING. >> TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON ON YOUR COMMENT ABOUT FLOODING, I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THERE ARE ENOUGH INSTANCES IN THIS CITY WHERE FLOODING IS AN ISSUE. DO WE AS A CITY NEED TO BE DOING A BETTER JOB? I DON'T THINK WE CAN IGNORE THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT I KNOW THERE'S AN EXISTING PROBLEM IN LOTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS. AFTER SOMETHING GETS BUILT, THE CITY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IF THEY APPROVE IT, BECAUSE THEN THEY SAY IT'S PRIVATE LAND OWNER TO PRIVATE LANDOWNER. I THINK AS A CITY, WE PROBABLY COULD DO BETTER. I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT WHERE THAT IS FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND WHAT I'VE SEEN AROUND TOWN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND IT'S A REALITY, IF THE DEVELOPER DECIDES, IF WE SAY, WE DON'T LIKE THIS, THEY CAN COME BACK WITH INDUSTRIAL AND SUPPOSEDLY A TRAFFIC STUDY SAY IT'S GOING TO DOUBLE THE TRAFFIC BUT WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, IN MY OPINION, IS A DENSITY. THIS DENSITY GIVES ME REAL HEARTBURN, AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. SECONDLY, SOMEBODY MADE A REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC. I LIVE ON A ROAD THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, NOT SIMILAR, SORT OF SIMILAR, WHERE WE'RE CUT THROUGH TO A COUPLE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE HAVE YOUNG KIDS DRIVING, WE HAVE SOCCER MOMS IN A HURRY TO GET THEIR KIDS SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THEY'RE FIVE MINUTES LATE, AND THEY USE OUR AREA LIKE A SPEEDWAY. WE HAVE PARENTS VERY UPSET ABOUT IT AND VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT. IF YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE THAT TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE THERE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH. THAT IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, WHETHER YOU WANT TO ADDRESS IT OR NOT. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEN ALL THE OTHER TRAFFIC ISSUES. I WORRY THAT THE FEDS ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE US THE MONEY, LIKE THEY SAY THEY ARE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY COUNTY MONEY AVAILABLE. I KNOW SOMETIMES BECAUSE WE'RE SHOVEL READY, WE GET COUNTY MONEY FIRST. I'VE HEARD THAT FROM COMMISSIONER FICKES. HE SAID WE'RE ALWAYS READY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF COUNTY FUNDS WOULD BE HELPFUL AND GET IN RESOLVING THESE PROBLEMS REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER AVENUE WE NEED TO EXPLORE. I AM CONCERNED THE FEDERAL FUNDS WON'T COME TO TEXAS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE VIEWED IN VERY GOOD LIGHT RIGHT NOW WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY. >> YEAH. IT IS VERY STRANGE, AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON IN THIS SPACE. WHAT DO YOU DO? AS A DEVELOPER, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THAT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. I DO AGREE WITH THE MAYOR ABOUT ECHOING THE LOT SIZE, IF POSSIBLE, WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH TEALWOOD. I LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE AND THIS UPPER PORTION SO IF YOU DRAW THE LINE ACROSS, THAT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE. IT LINES UP WITH WHAT'S ALREADY UP THERE, BUT I STRUGGLE WITH ALL OF THIS RESIDENTIAL ON THE SOUTHERN PIECE, ESPECIALLY LEANING INTO ALREADY COMMERCIAL AND/OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR INDUSTRIAL. I'M JUST NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT READY TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT. THERE'S TOO MANY UNCERTAINTIES FOR ME WITH ALL OF THIS. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO EXPLAIN IT. IT'S JUST TOUGH. IT'S REALLY TOUGH. >> COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, IT LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE GETTING READY TO HIT THE BUTTON. >> I DON'T KNOW WHY I WAS CHOKED WHEN I'M ABOUT TO TALK. I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT, AT LEAST NOT TO THE DEGREE THAT YOU HAD ABOUT THE MATCHING THE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT OF TEALWOOD TO THIS. FRANKLY, THE DENSITY HADN'T GIVEN ME A HEARTBURN. I'LL BE CANDID. IF WE'RE HERE IN 10 YEARS, [02:50:02] IT'LL PROBABLY BE IN A SPOT LIKE THIS. ALL I CAN LEAVE, AND I DO PLAN TO BE HERE IN 10 YEARS, BY THE WAY, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THIS HAS BROUGHT TO MIND IS THERE IS NOT A ROAD IN THIS TOWN THAT I'VE HAD MORE HEARTBURN TRAVELING DOWN DURING RUSH HOUR THAN THIS ONE. JUST TWO MONTHS AGO, I GOT OFF, I'M GOING TO TAKE A SHORT CUT FROM 26, AND I WAS LIKE, THERE'S NO WAY I COULD DO THIS EVERY DAY. I THINK TO COUNCILMAN WILLIAMSON'S POINT, THIS IS BROUGHT TO LIGHT AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN SOME FASHION. I THINK IF THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH, AGAIN, HAS CHALLENGES MY THOUGHT THE ENTIRE TIME AS A OUTDOORS GUY IS REMOVING AS MUCH VEGETATION SUCH THAT IT DOESN'T CAUSE FURTHER FLOODING ISSUES ONCE IT IS DEVELOPED, BUT THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE THERE. IF YOU'RE ADDING ANY MORE CARS TO THAT ROAD, IT'S PROBLEMATIC. I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. IT'S CERTAINLY BETTER THAN INDUSTRIAL, BUT IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING, IF THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND TO BE HAD, I'D LOVE TO HEAR IT. >> WELL, WITH THAT, WHY DON'T WE INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP? WE'VE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND, SO I HOPE YOU'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES. WE MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, AND WE'LL TURN THE PODIUM OVER TO YOU. >> GOSH, I'M NOT SURE WHERE I SHOULD START. >> YOUR CALL. >> I'LL START ON THE REQUEST TO HAVE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS IN THERE. A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THIS PLAN, AND THAT'S WHY WE PUT UP NEXT TO TEALWOOD. WE PUT 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS ADJACENT TO THEM. THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY TO MATCH WHAT THEY HAVE AND PUT A PRODUCT UP THERE THAT'S SIMILAR, AND THEN AS WE COME DOWN, WE'VE GONE NEXT TO HART COURT AND BRUMLOW. WE HAVE NOT RESIDENTIAL USES. BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE GAIN BY MAKING THE LOTS LARGER. WE KNOW THERE'S TRAFFIC STUDY BEEN DONE. IF YOU SAY, WE LOSE 20% OF THE LOTS, WE LOSE 10 OR 11 LOTS. WE LOSE 10 LOTS, AND THE TRIP COUNT ON THAT IS 10 VEHICLES PER DAY. THAT'S 100 VEHICLES THAT WILL TAKE OFF THE ROAD. I REALLY EMPATHIZE WITH THE NEIGHBORS. I GET IT. I'M GOING TO DIGRESS JUST A LITTLE BIT. I PROMISE NOT TAKE TOO MUCH TIME, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THIS PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT IN 1984, AND ABOUT TWO OR THREE OTHER PIECES WERE ASSEMBLED 1985. IT'S BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR 40 YEARS. JOE WRIGHT WAS A GREAT BUYER. IT'S PRETTY CRAPPY SELLER. HE JUST WASN'T A VERY GOOD SELLER. BUT IT'S COME TIME TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S JUST PROPER. MR. WRIGHT'S PASSED IN, GOSH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO NOW, BUT 6, 7 YEARS AGO. IT'S TIME TO DO SOMETHING. I KNOW I DIGRESS THERE, BUT I HATE IT THAT THE TRAFFIC IS THERE ON BRUMLOW AND CONTINENTAL. WHEN I STARTED THIS PROJECT, I'VE GONE DOWN THERE AND WATCHED IT, AND THERE ARE SOME PERIODS THAT ARE JUST NOT FUN. THE INTERSECTION SERVICE AT A C OR D LEVEL. I GET IT. I THINK ABOUT TIMBERON BEING BUILT IN THE LATE '90S, AND NOW WE'RE HERE AT 2024, SO 25 YEARS LATER, THEY HAD THE LUXURY OF USING IN BRUMLOW, WHEN THAT MUCH TRAFFIC IN CONTINENTAL, AND THEN IT KEEPS GETTING WORSE. WELL BOTH OF US AS LAND OWNERS THERE, YOU HAVE A BIG STAKE IN THERE TOO, WITH THE SERVICE CENTER. YOUR TRIP COUNT IS 683 A DAY. I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL BRUMLOW IS BUILT TO THE ULTIMATE TO OPEN A SERVICE CENTER. YOU'RE BUSTING AT THE SEAMS, WHERE YOU ARE. I EMPATHIZE, BUT AS A STAKEHOLDER THAT'S BEEN HERE 40 YEARS, WITH CARS ON THERE, WE DIDN'T CREATE THE PROBLEM. ANYWAY, I KNOW I WAS DIGRESSING THERE. BUT LET'S SAY WE REDUCE IT AND WE REDUCE 10 HOUSES AS 100 CARS A DAY. THE TRIP COUNT ON CONTINENTAL IS 12,373 A DAY. BRUMLOW IS 130,0299. IF YOU DIVIDE THAT, LET'S JUST SAY A THIRD GOES TO CONTINENTAL AND TWO THIRDS GO TO BRUMLOW. THAT'S 33 CARS UP ON CONTINENTAL. [02:55:04] WELL, THAT'S LESS THAN FOUR TENTHS OF A PERCENT. IF YOU GO ON CONTINENTAL, IT'S EIGHT TENTHS OF A PERCENT. IT'S LESS THAN 1% BECAUSE WE REDUCED THE DENSITY ON THE COUNT. I COULD GET IT IF WE WERE NEXT TO OTHER RESIDENCES. I GET THAT ALL THE TIME. WE WANT ALL THE LOT LINES TO BACK UP. WE WANT ALL THE LOTS TO MATCH THE PEOPLE BEHIND US. BUT I KEEP GOING BACK TO, WHAT DOES THIS LOT SIZE, WHO DOES IT HURT IN TOWN? DOES IT HURT ANYBODY OVER IN TIMBERON, PROPERTY VALUE WISE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IS THAT WE'VE GOT THESE SMALLER LOTS, AND IT'S GOING TO EVALUATE MY PROPERTY. THAT'S AN URBAN MYTH. IT DOESN'T WORK. ARE YOU GOING TO OVERRUN MY SCHOOL DISTRICT? WELL, OLD UNION NEEDS 91 STUDENTS, AND DRAINAGE, I GET IT. BUT IF YOU REMEMBER THE DRAINAGE AREA MAP, EVERYBODY COMES TO ME. IT'S COMING TO ME AND THEN OUT THE BACK END DOWN TO GRAPEVINE, AND I GET THE TRAFFIC. BUT IF I WAS HERE WITH A COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PLAN, I'M ASKING A QUESTION, BUT I KNOW THE ANSWER IS, WOULD THESE PEOPLE COME UP HERE AND SUPPORT A COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL PLAN VERSUS THIS RESIDENTIAL PLAN? WOULD THEY BE IN FAVOR IT? NO, THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPPOSED. WHAT THEY REALLY WANT IS NOTHING AND MAYBE WHEN BRUMLOW GETS BUILT AND WHEN CONTINENTAL GETS BUILT, THEY GO, OKAY, NOW IT'S TIME, IT'S OKAY TO DEVELOP. I GET IT AND I HATE IT. BUT TO MY POINT, JUST ENLARGE THE LOT SIZE, REDUCE THE NUMBER COUNT. I DON'T KNOW. I'M STRUGGLING AT WHO IT HURTS. WHAT IS THE NEGATIVE EFFECT? ONE OF THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS IS THAT LESS HOUSES, LESS AVIENT TAXES FOR SOUTHLAKE. BUT I STRUGGLE WITH WHO GETS HURT IF WE HAVE 67,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS UP TO 10,000. AVERAGE IS 9,800 SQUARE FEET ON THE LOTS. I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T COME UP WITH THAT ANSWER. I WOULD LOVE INPUT THAT SAYS, YEAH, YOU PUT THAT 67, 70, 60, 80 SQUARE FOOT LOT ON THE GROUND, AND THIS IS WHAT'S BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO SOUTHLAKE. WELL, YEAH, IT'S 100 MORE CARS WITH THIS PLAN VERSUS TAKING IT TO ALL TENS. WHERE I'M GOING IS, I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION BEFORE. I'VE BEEN COMING TO THIS PODIUM FOR 25 YEARS, AND I DON'T COME UP HERE WITH 75 LOTS, KNOWING I CAN GET BY WITH 50. I'VE NEVER DONE THAT. I'VE WATCHED IT FOR YEARS. I'VE SAID IN THIS AUDIENCE, AND I'VE LOOKED AND I SAID, OH, THEY'RE DOING IT AGAIN, AND THEN THEY GET WHITTLED DOWN, AND THEN THEY GET SOME NUMBER. WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT. I'VE BEEN WITH THIS FAMILY FOR 30 YEARS WHEN WE TOOK STUFF THROUGH GRAPEVINE, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SAID IS YOU DON'T ASK FOR UNREASONABLE STUFF, AND WE DON'T AND WE REALLY WORKED HARD TO GET THIS SITE PLAN THE WAY IT IS. IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE WERE 11 OR 12 LOTS ON THE EAST SIDE, AND WE TOOK IT DOWN TO TWO, AND PART OF THAT ALSO WAS FOR THE CONTINENTAL CONFLICTS WITH HAVING TWO DRIVEWAYS, TWO PUBLIC STREETS THERE. WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD AT THIS, AND IF THERE WAS MERIT IN CHANGING IT TO ALL TENS, AND THE LIGHT BULB GOES OFF AND I GO, YEAH, I GET IT. OKAY, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'VE CONVINCED ME, THEN I WOULD STAND HERE AT THE PODIUM AND SAY, OKAY, THAT'S A BETTER PLAN, BUT I CAN'T DO THAT CONSCIOUSLY. AND I BROUGHT IT HERE. I'M AT MY ECONOMIC POINT. WE'VE RUN THE NUMBERS. WE'RE HAPPY WITH. WE BELIEVE WE CAN MAKE A REASONABLE PROFIT, AND IT'S NOT A KILLING. BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY WHERE WE NEED TO BE, AND THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT IT FORWARD THIS WAY. WE BROUGHT FORWARD WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS PRACTICAL, REASONABLE, AND WHAT WE COULD LIVE WITH AND WHAT THE CITY COULD LIVE WITH. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT WHILE HE'S, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF IF YOU HAVE MORE COMMENTS. GO AHEAD. NO. IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE TO SAY? >> WHAT DID I MISS TO ADDRESS? WELL, THE HOUSE ELEVATION. >> YEAH. >> IF I CAN DELIVER A LOT FOR 30, [03:00:04] 36 MONTHS, YOU KNOW HOW THESE ELEVATIONS CHANGE AND THE TREND. THERE ARE RULES AND REGULATIONS IN OUR APPLICATION, 2,500 SQUARE FOOT, 3,000, THE GARAGE IS RECESSED, MASONRY. THOSE ARE ALL IN THERE. I COULD GO TO TWO OR THREE OF OUR BUILDERS AROUND TOWN AND SAY, GIVE ME 10 ELEVATIONS THAT FIT ON THESE LOTS, BUT 24 MONTHS OR 36 MONTHS FROM NOW, I'D GO, OKAY, I GOT HERE'S 10 MORE. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO HANDLE THAT. >> WELL, I'M NOT TRYING TO PIN YOU DOWN ON THIS HAS TO BE THE STYLE, OR THESE THREE THINGS HAVE TO BE THE STYLES THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST DON'T WANT THERE TO BE WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS IF IT'S APPROVED, WHETHER IT'S 56 OR SOME OTHER NUMBER, AND THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME. THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO PROTECT AGAINST. I'M NOT TRYING TO PIN YOU DOWN THAT THESE HAVE TO BE THE STYLES BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, RIGHT NOW, THE TREND IS, YOU KNOW, HOMES THAT ARE FINISHED IN WHITE ON THE OUTSIDE. I GET THAT. >> I JUST WANT THERE TO BE SOMETHING IF IT'S APPROVED TONIGHT, THAT THEY'RE NOT ALL GOING TO LOOK THE SAME. >> THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS THERE'S PROPOSED 56 LOTS. TWO OF THEM DON'T COUNT, REALLY? WE'RE DOWN TO 54. I'M HAPPY WITH SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT YOU CAN'T DUPLICATE THE SAME ELEVATION FIVE TIMES IN THE SUBDIVISION, THREE TIMES. WHATEVER IS A LOGICAL NUMBER. YOU CAN'T REPEAT. COME UP WITH SOME NUMBER THAT MAKES SENSE, THERE'S 50 SOME LOTS. I DON'T THINK I'D LIKE MORE THAN FIVE ELEVATIONS OF THE SIGN IN HERE. >> THAT' FINE THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING AND THEY'D BE SPACED OUT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD FIVE EXACTLY THE SAME SIDE BY SIDE BY SIDE. THEY'D BE BROKEN UP. >> CORRECT. >>I'M FINE WITH THAT. THAT'S ALL I WAS LOOKING FOR. >> WILL THESE BE A SINGLE BUILDER OR MULTIPLE BUILDERS AND MORE LOCAL OR NATIONAL? >> WELL, LOCAL WOULD BE WHERE WE'D START. WE HAVE TALKED REALLY SUPERFICIALLY ONLY, JUST IN CONCEPT. WE COMPARED NOTES AS FAR AS SIDE YARD SETBACKS REAR, WHAT SIZE HOUSE, AND ALL THAT. WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDEA, BUT WE THINK IT'S A TWO BUILDER, PROBABLY MAX THREE BUILDER SUBDIVISION WITH THE LOCAL GUYS. >> GO AHEAD, RANDY. >> MR. SHELLING, YOU'VE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE BEING READY TO DELIVER A LOT FOR MONTHS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE DELIVERING A LOT MEANS SELLING IT OR HAVING A DEVELOPER BEGIN GOING VERTICAL, CORRECT? >> BUILDER. >> A BUILDER? >> YES. >> GO VERT. BASED ON THAT, WOULD YOU BE JUST NOTING OUR ATTENTION ON THE ROADWAYS AND TRYING TO INVESTIGATE WAYS TO ACCELERATE THE WIDENINGS ON THOSE ROADS, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO AGREE TO PART OF THE MOTION BEING THAT YOU'D BE HELD TO THAT AND NOT BE ABLE TO DELIVER A LOT AND BEGIN VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION ANY EARLIER THAN 24 MONTHS FROM APPROVAL TONIGHT? >> TWENTY FOUR? >> TWENTY FOUR. >> WELL, AND THAT'S TRUE. OUR SEQUENCING ON THAT, IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT DON'T DELIVER A LOT 24 MONTHS FROM JUNE 4, 2024, WHICH WOULD BE JUNE 4, 2026? YES. BUT THE SEQUENCING OF THE ACTUAL RECLAMATION COMES AND THEN WE TURN INTO FMA FOR OUR LOMAR, LETTER OF MAP REVISION, WHICH COULD TAKE 9-12 MONTHS. AND IT'LL TAKE NINE MONTHS TO BUILD A SUBDIVISION. IF YOU SAY YOU CAN'T DELIVER A LOT, BEFORE JUNE 4, 2026, THEN WE CAN LIVE WITH THAT. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT DELIVERING A LOT THOUGH IS A BLANK LOT. IT'S NOT A CONSTRUCTED LOT. >> WELL, IT HAD WATER SEWER. >> RIGHT, BUT NO VERTICAL WOULD HAVE STARTED. >> NO, WE WOULD WE WOULD GET FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE SUBDIVISION AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THEY'D BE THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO DELIVER BUILDING PERMITS. >> WHEN YOU ADD BUILDING TIMES ONTO THAT, EVEN IF YOU HAD A BUILDER READY TO GO ON JUNE 4, 2026, WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING SIX MONTHS MINIMUM, POSSIBLY A YEAR, WE COULD REALISTICALLY BE LOOKING AT CLOSE TO THREE YEARS BEFORE A CAR WOULD TRAVEL THAT STREET TO GO PARK IN A GARAGE? >> CORRECT. [03:05:02] >> I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE AGREEABLE TO THAT. AGAIN, IT'S OBVIOUS, I'M TRYING WE'RE TRYING TO BUY TIME. WE'RE TRYING TO GET TIME FOR RESIDENTS, FOR US AND EVERYBODY TO TRY TO WORK THIS OUT. BECAUSE I AGREE, YOU'RE NOT THE PROBLEM HERE. >> I'M THE LAST GUY IN. >> YOU'RE THE LAST WAYS. [LAUGHTER] >> RIGHT AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT PLENTY OF TIMES BEFORE ON OTHER CASES WHERE IT'S OFTEN UNFAIR ON THE APPLICANT WHO COMES LAST BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE ASKED FOR FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS. YOU JUST HAPPENED TO BE ON THE LAST PIECE. >> ALONG THOSE LINES, I MEAN, THE BRAMBLE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE BIG, AND IT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE. I THINK WE'RE TALKING 20 OR $30 MILLION. I THINK THE CITY MANAGER IS GOING BACK THROUGH OUR ESTIMATES ON THAT. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE US A WHILE TO SAVE THOSE PENNIES OR GET THEM HELP FROM THE FEDS OR THE STATE OR THE COUNTY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY YET, WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO SAVE OUR PENNIES AND PAY CASH FOR A LOT OF ROAD PROJECTS. THIS ONE WE MIGHT NEED SOME HELP ON, SO THAT MIGHT IMPACT THE TIMING ON. WE MIGHT BE READY TO GO, BUT MAYBE ALL THESE OTHER ENTITIES MIGHT NOT HAVE PUT THEIR CHECK IN THE HAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHELLING? >> I DO JUST WANT TO CLARIFY IN THAT, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION, BUT NO REAL YES OR NO. THE MAYOR WANTS 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, I THINK YOU SAID NO TO THAT. IS IT THIS OR NOTHING? I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT FROM MY STANDPOINT. >> YES. WE AS THE THIRD RENDITION OF THIS WE WORKED HARD TO MAKE THIS WORK, AND I THINK IT'S VERY LOGICAL AND PRACTICAL, SO I GET IT. I JUST DON'T SEE THE MERIT IN MAKING THESE LOTS LARGER WHEN I BACK UP TO HART COURT AND WELL, IT'LL BE OUR BUSINESS PARK, BUT I JUST I DON'T SEE IT. WE BROUGHT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD BUT A POINT OF REFERENCE HERE, THE LAND USE AMENDMENT IS BEFORE THE ZONING. WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE OUR LAND USE IF WE DON'T GET OUR ZONING BECAUSE WE'LL BE COMING BACK WITH A DIFFERENT SITE PLAN. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, I KNOW THE LAND USE ELEMENTS ALWAYS BEFORE BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO THE OTHER. BUT I WANT THE LAND USE CHANGED IF WE DON'T GET THE ZONE. >> LET'S ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THEM IN THAT ORDER, THE 6A6B, WE CAN FLIP THEM FOR THAT REASON. >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL PLAN THAT YOU WOULD BRING BACK? >> I'M SORRY. >> YOU HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL PLAN THAT YOU WOULD BRING BACK THAT FITS THE CURRENT ZONING? > WELL, [LAUGHTER] THE MARCHING ORDERS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE LAND, WE'LL COME BACK. WE CAN'T WHITTLE IF WE WHITTLE ANY MORE OFF THE RESIDENTIAL, THEN THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING TOO MUCH UNLIKE NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL. IF WE TAKE THAT OUT, THEN WE NEED TO GO BACK AND GO BACK TO WHAT THE LAND. >> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU DON'T HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL PLAN IN YOUR BACK POCKET, BUT YOUR POINT IS YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE RIGHTS TO DO THAT IF CASE FOR THIS IS NOT ENOUGH. >>ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> WELL, LET'S GET THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WAIT ON THIS BECAUSE WE HAD THIS AT THE LAST MEETING ON ANOTHER MATTER WHERE THERE WAS AN ISSUE OF, WELL, IF WE CHANGED THE LAND USE, BUT THEN THE ZONING CASE DOESN'T PASS. CAN WE GO BACK AND UNDO IN THAT SAME MEETING, THE LAND USE PLAN CHANGE THAT WE MADE, SO I'M GOING TO ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. >> CAN WE JUST GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND DISCUSS WHAT THE LEGALITIES OF [2.A. Executive Session (Part 2 of 2)] ALL THIS ARE FROM WHAT WE CAN ASK OF THE APPLICANT AND FROM THIS? >> SURE. LET ME HAVE THIS. AS MAYOR, I HEREBY ADVISE YOU THAT WE'RE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 551 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071 TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY. I WOULD SAY MAYBE FIVE OR 10 MINUTES, AND WE'LL BE BACK. WE'LL CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. [2.B. Reconvene (Part 2 of 2)] I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ACTION NECESSARY OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. BEFORE WE WENT INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, [Items 6.A. & 6.B. (Part 2 of 2)] WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT, WE'VE GOT THE TWO ITEMS, THE LAND USE PLAN 6(A) AND THEN THE ZONING CASE 6(B). WE HAD THIS COME UP AT OUR LAST MEETING WITH A DIFFERENT MATTER WHERE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE LAND USE PLAN CHANGE ITEM IS APPROVED, BUT THE ZONING CHANGE IS NOT AND THE LEGAL ADVICE THAT WE GOT LAST TIME, [03:10:03] AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO REITERATE HERE IS THAT IF THAT HAPPENS, LAND USE PLAN IS APPROVED, ZONING CHANGE IS NOT, THAT WITHIN THE SAME MEETING, WITHIN THOSE SAME CASE NUMBERS, WE CAN GO BACK HERE IN A FEW MINUTES AND RECONSIDER AND UNDO THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT TO THE APPLICANT'S POINT ABOUT THEY DON'T WANT THE LAND DOWN ZONED IF THE ZONING IS NOT GOING TO BE APPROVED. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. YES. YOU ALWAYS WANT YOUR ZONING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH YOUR LAND USE PLAN, WHICH IS WHY WE CONSIDER THAT FIRST. BUT IF YOU CHANGE YOUR LAND USE PLAN, AND THEN YOU DON'T CHANGE THE ZONING, YOU CAN GO BACK AND RECONSIDER THE LAND USE CHANGE. >> HERE TONIGHT, WITHIN THESE SAME CASE NUMBERS. THAT'S THE ORDER WE WOULD DO THEM IN A IS 6(A), THE LAND USE PLAN 6(B), THE ZONING, AND THEN GO FROM THERE. EVERYONE GOT THAT? EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? LAST BROWN FOR ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS. >> YES, MAYOR, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AND THIS IS ON 6(B), THAT I'VE GOT THIS LANGUAGE, CORRECT FOR WHAT COUNSELS REQUESTING, THAT IS THAT, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS BROUGHT BY COUNCILMAN TALLEY AROUND THE THREE DESIGN OPTIONS FOR THE COMMERCIAL PIECE, THAT THE MOTION WOULD ADDRESS THAT DESIGN APPROVALS FOR THE COMMERCIAL WOULD REQUIRE THAT APPLICANT PROVIDE DESIGN CONSISTENCY AT THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. WE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. THEN THE OTHER PIECE, I BELIEVE, WAS IT THAT THE APPLICANT IS AGREEING TO A MINIMUM OF FIVE ELEVATIONS IN THE RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS. WE HAVE THE AGREEMENT ALONG WHEN LOTS CAN BE DELIVERED FOR CONSTRUCTION TO BEGIN AND THEN MR. SHELLING, WHAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS THAT WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND APPROVE AS PRESENTED TONIGHT, BUT WOULD GIVE AUTHORITY TO THE CITY'S LANDSCAPE ADMINISTRATOR TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT WOULD REQUIRE LESS INSTALLATION OF WHAT IS APPROVED IF THEY DETERMINE THAT'S IN THE LONG TERM BEST INTEREST OF THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING. WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT MOTION FOR B THAT ANYBODY ELSE? >> ANY OTHER ITEMS? I'M TRYING TO CHECK MY NOTES AS FAR AS THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT MAYBE THE MAYOR PRO TEM NEEDS FOR A POSSIBLE MOTION. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> WE'VE GIVEN STAFF REAL CLEAR DIRECTION AROUND THE ROADWAYS. IT'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE TOPIC, NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE, BUT POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT WAYS TO ACCELERATE THAT. I GUESS I CAN ADD IN APPLICANT'S AGREEMENT TO SOD OR SEED THE GREEN SPACE, AND THAT IT WOULD NOT JUST CONTINUE AS A NATURAL WEED FARM FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS. >> THAT WAS AGREED TO? >> YES. >> OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP ON TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL THIS? >> NOT ME. I'M READY WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS ON 6A. >> ALL RIGHT. I WILL TAKE THEM PER THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ADVICE. WE'LL START WITH 6A, WHICH IS THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6A, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 1269-C, CP24-0002, SECOND READING, AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AN ELEMENT OF THE SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR BRUMLOW EAST FOR PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS A PORTION OF TRACK 1A, HARRISON DECKER SURVEY, ABSTRACT 438, AND PORTIONS OF TRACKS 2E 04, 2E 06 AND 2E 07A, JOHN AND GIBSON SURVEY, ABSTRACT 591, CITY OF SOUTH LAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 1719 EAST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD, AND 1451 THROUGH 1537 BRUMLOW AVENUE. SOUTH LAKE, TEXAS, SUBJECT TO STAFF REPORT DATED, MAY 28, 2024, AND NOTING THAT WE WOULD BE APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CHANGING THIS FROM INDUSTRIAL TO MIXED USE, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 28, 2024. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> GO AHEAD AND CAST YOUR VOTES ON 6A. ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES AND CARRIES 5-1. WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO ITEM 6B. >> OKAY. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6B, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-813, ZA 24-0007, SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BRUMLOW EAST, [03:15:03] ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS A PORTION OF TRACT 1A, HARRISON DECKER SURVEY, ABSTRACT 438, AND TRACTS 2E04, 2E06, AND A PORTION OF TRACT 2E07A. JOHN AND GIBSON SURVEY, ABSTRACT 591, CITY OF SOUTH LAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 1719 EAST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD, AND 1451 THROUGH 1537, BRUMLOW AVENUE, SOUTH LAKE, TEXAS, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 28, 2024, IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED APRIL 30, 2024. NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BRUMLOW EAST, WHERE WE'RE CHANGING ZONING FROM AG, AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO TZD, TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT AS PRESENTED. ALSO NOTING THAT AS WAS APPROVED AT FIRST READING, WE WILL REQUIRE THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO CRAFT A NOTE TO BE PLACED ON FUTURE PLATS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, ACKNOWLEDGING ADJACENCY OF THE INTENSIVE NON-RESIDENTIAL INDUSTRIAL TYPE USE AND OPERATIONS, INCLUDING THE FUTURE MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER AND PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING TOWER FACILITY. NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED THAT DESIGN APPROVALS FOR THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THIS PROJECT MUST REMAIN A GENERALLY CONSISTENT DESIGN NATURE TO GAIN APPROVAL AT SITE PLAN REVIEW. NOTING THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED THAT BUILDERS CUMULATIVELY WILL PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF FIVE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS IN THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. DID I SAY MAXIMUM? IT WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF FIVE. THEN NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TONIGHT THAT NO LOTS WOULD BE DELIVERED TO BUILDERS TO BEGIN VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION PRIOR TO JUNE 4, 2026. NOTING THAT TONIGHT'S PRESENTED LANDSCAPE PLAN IS APPROVED AS PRESENTED, NOTING THAT COUNCIL IS GRANTING AUTHORITY TO THE CITY'S LANDSCAPE ADMINISTRATOR TO REQUIRE LESS INSTALLATION THAN IS REPRESENTED TONIGHT IN THE GREEN SPACE, IF IT IS DETERMINED BY THE LANDSCAPE ADMINISTRATOR THAT THAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE LONG TERM MATURATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY, AND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO EITHER SIDE AND OR SEED THE GREEN SPACE. >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT FROM OVER HERE? >> YEAH, I THINK THE ELEVATION PIECE IS WRONG. I THINK IT WAS THE BUILDER WILL PROVIDE NO MORE THAN FIVE OF A SIMILAR ELEVATION. THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT. WE DON'T WANT MORE THAN FIVE OF THE SAME HOUSE IN HERE. >> MAYBE I SKIPPED THAT RIGHT THERE. I SAID A MINIMUM OF FIVE ELEVATIONS. >> YEAH YOU SAID A MINIMUM OF FIVE ELEVATIONS, THAT MEANS THEY COULD DO TEN OF THE SAME HOUSE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. >> SO IT'S A MAXIMUM OF FIVE OF THE SAME ELEVATION. WE DON'T CARE IF THERE'S 50 DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS, BUT A MAXIMUM OF FIVE. >> HOW ABOUT WE AMEND THAT TO SAY A MINIMUM OF FIVE ELEVATIONS, BUT NO MORE THAN FIVE OF THE SAME ELEVATION. I GUESS THAT'S THE SAME THING. [OVERLAPPING] >> MINIMUM OF FIVE WOULD BE TEN. YOU'D HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF TEN. >> SO I'LL AMEND THAT MOTION JUST TO SIMPLY SAY. >> MAXIMUM OF FIVE OF A SINGLE ELEVATION. >> APPLICANTS AGREED THAT, YEAH, FOR A MAXIMUM OF FIVE OF THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. >> YEAH. >> BEFORE WE ASK FOR A SECOND, IS THAT OKAY WITH THE APPLICANT? THAT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD CATCH. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT MOTION BEFORE WE GO TO A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. CAST YOUR VOTES. ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION TO APPROVE IS 3-3, SO THAT FAILS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. NOW, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS US TO RECONSIDER ON THE 6A, THE FUTURE LAND USE, OR IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE US TO VOTE ON AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING HERE ON WHAT I'VE PROPOSED, AND THAT'S JUST ONE VOTE. WE CAN DO THAT HERE. IF YOU NEED A FEW MINUTES TO CONFER AMONGST YOURSELVES, I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY HAD SOME TIME, BUT WHATEVER THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO HERE. IF YOU WANT US TO VOTE ON ANOTHER PACKAGE OR JUST PUT BACK THE LAND USE PLAN AND TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS YOU NEED. [03:20:15] >> IF THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO STEP OUTSIDE FOR SOME PRIVACY, THAT'S TOTALLY OKAY WITH US IF YOU WANT. WE'LL CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. ONE OTHER THING, THE APPLICANT, AND YOU KNOW THIS FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT WE COULD DO IS TABLE THIS. WHAT WE'D HAVE TO DO, AND I'M GOING TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE VOTED, WE COULD RECONSIDER THAT VOTE THAT WE JUST HAD ON 6B AND 6A. WE'D HAVE TO GET SOME ADVICE ON THAT AND UNDO THAT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO TABLE, WE'RE STILL HERE IN THE MEETING FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE MEETINGS IN JULY, SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT AUGUST BEFORE THE NEXT, UNLESS YOU CAME BACK IN TWO WEEKS, BUT NO MEETINGS IN JULY. THAT'S ALWAYS THE APPLICANT'S DECISION ON WHETHER TO TABLE OR NOT. IF YOU'VE HAD SOME TIME TO TALK ABOUT, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE TO DO? >> WE WOULD PREFER TO REQUEST THE TABLE. >> I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ON MECHANICALLY, HOW DO WE DO THAT WITH A MOTION TO RECONSIDER BOTH? I THINK YOU'D WANT BOTH CASES UNDONE, INCLUDING THE LAND USE PLAN. >> YEAH. >> WE'LL RECONSIDER ON BOTH 6A AND 6B. >> CORRECT. >> THEN AFTER THAT, WE ASSUMING THOSE PASS, WE'D TAKE UP A MOTION TO TABLE BOTH ITEMS TO A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, PROBABLY IN AUGUST. BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SPECIFY THAT YET, DO WE? >> WELL, YOU WOULD NEED TO SPECIFY IT IN ORDER. WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD [OVERLAPPING]. >> TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> NO, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> KEEP THE SAME CASE NUMBERS. WHAT'S THE DATE IN AUGUST THEN, THAT FIRST TUESDAY IN AUGUST? >> THAT WOULD BE AUGUST [OVERLAPPING] 6TH. >> WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE A DATE THOUGH, DO WE? >> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DO. >> YEAH. >> OR CAN WE JUST SAY AUGUST 20TH JUST TO ALLOW MORE TIME? AS LONG AS WE GIVE ANY DATE, IT'S OKAY TO CONTINUE IT OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> I WOULD SUGGEST CONTINUING TO A DATE CERTAIN, WHICHEVER DATE CERTAIN DO YOU FEEL APPROPRIATE, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST HANDLING IT TO A DATE CERTAIN. >> I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT. DOES IT SOUND LIKE IT'LL BE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW? IT WON'T BE JULY BECAUSE THERE'S NO MEETINGS. AUGUST 6TH OR AUGUST 20TH? >> SIXTH, PLEASE. >> IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS. >> MAYOR PRO TEM, THIS IS A NEW ONE FOR US, BUT GOT ALL THAT. WE'LL DO MOTIONS TO RECONSIDER SEPARATELY ON 6A AND 6B. IF THOSE MOTIONS TO RECONSIDER BOTH PASS, THEN WE'LL TAKE UP A MOTION PER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TABLE BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS TO OUR AUGUST 6TH, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT? GOT IT. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FIRST, I MOVE THAT WE RECONSIDER ITEM NUMBER 6B, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-813, ZA24-0007, SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE IN DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BRUMLOW EAST. >> IS THAT OKAY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY? WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> CAST YOUR VOTES ON THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER 6B. THAT MOTION CARRIES 6-0. >> I'LL MOVE ON TO 6A. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE RECONSIDER ITEM 6A, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 1269-C, CP24-0002, SECOND READING AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AN ELEMENT OF THE SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR BRUMLOW EAST. >> CITY ATTORNEY, OKAY WITH THAT? WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES ON THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER 6A. THAT MOTION CARRIES 6-0. >> NOW, A MOTION TO TABLE ON 6A AND THEN [OVERLAPPING]. >> CAN WE DO THOSE TOGETHER? ON A MOTION TO TABLE, WE CAN DO 6A AND 6B TOGETHER IN ONE MOTION? >> CORRECT. YOU CAN DO THEM TOGETHER AND JUST AGAIN SPECIFY THE COUNCIL MEETING THAT YOU'RE STATING. >> WHAT WAS THAT DATE AGAIN? >> AUGUST 6TH, 2024. >> MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE ITEM 6A, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 1269-C, CP24-0002, SECOND READING AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND AN ELEMENT OF THE SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR BRUMLOW EAST, [03:25:03] AS WELL AS TABLE ITEM 6B, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-813, ZA24-0007. SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BRUMLOW EAST. >> YOU OKAY WITH THAT? >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> CAST YOUR VOTES ON THE MOTION TO TABLE. THAT MOTION CARRIES 6-0, SO WE WILL TAKE THOSE TWO ITEMS UP AGAIN ON AUGUST 6TH, 2024. WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER ITEMS. EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO STAY, BUT CHANCES ARE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO. THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. NEXT UP, [6.D. Ordinance No. 480-815, ZA24-0010, 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Site Plan for the Southlake Municipal Service Center and Public Safety Training Tower, on property described as Tracts 2E, 2E07, and a portion of Tract 2E07A, John N. Gibson Survey Abstract 591, and Tract 1A1, Harrison Decker Survey Abstract 438, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 1630 and 1638 Brumlow Ave. and 1719 E. Continental Blvd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "AG" Agricultural District. Requested Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING ] WE'RE GOING TO TAKE UP ITEM 6D. WE'LL INVITE DIRECTOR KILOW. THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-85, CASE NUMBER ZA24-0010, THE SECOND READING, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR THE SOUTHLAKE MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER AND PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING TOWER. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1630 AND 1638 BRUMLOW AVENUE. THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SITE BOUNDARY. THE CURRENT LAND USE ON THIS PROPERTY IS MIXED USE ALONG THE BRUMLOW FRONTAGE AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL AND THE PROPOSED ZONING ON THIS IS SP2 ZONING, PRIMARILY FOLLOWING THE I1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS AND FOLLOWING ALL THE CRITERIA IN THE NOTED DEVELOPMENT REGULATION AND USES. THIS WOULD BE A FULLY OPERATIONAL 24/7 MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER AND WOULD INCLUDE SOME HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE OPERATION OF THAT FACILITY. IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE A UP TO 50 FOOT TALL PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING TOWER IN THE NORTHEASTERN CORNER. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE WOULD BE ON THE FRONT EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. A SERVICE CENTER WOULD BE IN THE CENTRAL AND EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. ONCE AGAIN, THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING TOWER WOULD BE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE. THE PROPERTY PLANS FOR FUTURE ACCESS THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED THROUGH AN EXTENSION OF A COLLECTOR STREET THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT WOULD EXTEND SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD TO BRUMLOW AVENUE. THIS IS A BLOW UP OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING, APPROXIMATELY JUST UNDER 22,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS IS TREE CONSERVATION PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN. THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING AND THE SERVICE CENTER BAY BUILDING. THIS IS ELEVATION OF THE TRAINING TOWER. EA ELEVATION RENDERING FROM THE BRUMLOW FRONTAGE. WE HAVE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS 6-0 AS PRESENTED. THE CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS PRESENTED 7-0 AT YOUR LAST MEETING. WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? LOOKS GOOD TO ME. A LOT OF PLANNING'S GONE INTO THIS, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO GET READY TO START BUILDING AND DELIVERING THAT PROPERTY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES WHO, I THINK SOMEONE SAID BUSTING AT THE SEAMS ON CONTINENTAL, SO IT'S WAY PAST DUE AND WE'RE GLAD TO START MAKING IT HAPPEN. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. >> THANK YOU. >> I GUESS WE'RE THE APPLICANT, SO WE HAD A TWO FOR ONE. [03:30:02] IN THIS SECOND READING, SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 6D. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON 6D? COME ON THROUGH. THANK YOU FOR STAYING LATE. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> YOU KNOW THE DRILL? NAME AND ADDRESS, AND GO AHEAD, YOU'LL GET YOUR THREE MINUTES. >> RYAN JACOBSON, 1218 WOODSEY COURT, AND I FULLY SUPPORT THIS. WE HAVE THE BEST EMPLOYEES, PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR SOUTHLAKE HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THIS, I'M EXCITED FOR THEM, SO YES TO THIS. THE REASON WHY I'M HERE TO SPEAK IS BECAUSE OF DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST ABOUT THE EMERGENCY GATE ON WOODSEY AND THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS LAND THAT WAS OWNED BY THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. AS MENTIONED IN THE PAST, PLANNING AND ZONING, RECOMMENDATIONS, ALSO CITY COUNCIL PASS TO GET THE INDUSTRIAL APPROVED, THEY ADDED THE EMERGENCY GATE TO WOODSEY COURT. IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAPPEN, THAT THE EMERGENCY GATE WOULD BE MOVED TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK TO GET TO THIS COLLECTOR ROAD, AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DRAWINGS ON THAT. IT'S IN THE CITY DOCUMENTS THAT IT IS UP TO Y'ALL TO DECIDE THAT. OUR CONCERNS ON WOODSEY COURT, AND IF YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT CITY COUNCIL, TONS OF OPPOSITION, IT'S IN THE DOCUMENTS, BOTH TIMBERLINE, WOODSEY, EVERYONE OPPOSED IT. THE MAIN REASON WHY IS, I'M AN ARCHITECT, I DESIGN RESIDENTIAL NOW, BUT I USED TO DO COMMERCIAL, I USED TO DO A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL, I DESIGNED THE STAR, THE COWBOYS' HEADQUARTERS, I LITERALLY DESIGNED JERRY JONES' OFFICE WHEN I WAS AT GENSLER. THAT IS NOT UP TO CODE FOR AN EMERGENCY EXIT. THE WIDTH OF WOODSEY IS ONLY 20 FEET, NEEDS TO BE 24 FEET. THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR A SECONDARY EMERGENCY EXIT, FOR A LARGE INDUSTRIAL PARK TO COME UP A RESIDENTIAL STREET LIKE THAT. THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE LITIGATED ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AND SOME ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. I CARE ABOUT THIS BIG TIME. I HAVE A SPECIAL NEEDS SON THAT'S FOUR YEARS OLD. HE'S GOING TO BE LIVING WITH US THE REST OF OUR LIVES. THIS IS ONE OF THE HOMES I PLAN ON KEEPING FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES. I PLAN ON BUILDING TWO HOMES IN THIS TOWN, ONE FOR MY DAUGHTER, ONE FOR MY SON. HE'S GOING TO LIVE IN THIS HOME PROBABLY THE REST OF HIS LIFE. I'M BEGGING YOU TO GET THAT EMERGENCY GATE ON THE INDUSTRIAL PARK ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO THIS COLLECTOR ROAD, WHERE IT SHOULD BE. I'VE DESIGNED INDUSTRIAL PARKS, IT SHOULD NOT BE CONNECTED TO A RESIDENTIAL STREET 20 FOOT WIDE WITH BAR DITCHES. TO ME, IT'S EITHER PUT IT DOWN THERE, OR YOU GOT TO EXPAND OUR ROAD. IT'S GOT TO BE ONE TO TWO. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF Y'ALL SERVING. I KNOW IT'S NOT FUN WITH THESE VOTES. I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF PEOPLE UP FOR ELECTION, I GET THAT, BUT REALLY DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL. THANKS. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 6D? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CAN WE GO TO THAT ISSUE OF THE GATE? I KNOW THAT'S COME UP, AND I KNOW YOU'VE SENT IN EMAILS AS THIS ITEM HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE CAN GET SOME MORE INSIGHT WHILE WE'RE ALL HERE TOGETHER, I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE, BUT WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THAT WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT ISSUE THAT WAS JUST RAISED BY MR. JACOBSON. >> CHAIR, I DON'T HAVE THE VERBATIM MOTION HANDY IN FRONT OF ME, BUT RECOLLECTION IS THAT WITH THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF THE MUSTANG BUSINESS PARK WAREHOUSE COMPLEX, THAT THE CITY COULD CONSIDER ELIMINATING THE REQUIREMENT OF THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS ONCE A SECONDARY ACCESS WAS PROVIDED. IT DID NOT PROVIDE IN THAT DETAIL THE MECHANICS AS TO WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING THAT CHANGE OR ACTION WITH REGARD TO THE GATE ITSELF, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO FORCE ON THE DEVELOPER TO COME BACK AND REDO THE GATE OR FENCE. IT JUST SAID IT COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR ELIMINATION ONCE A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT WAS PLANNED FOR. >> THE ISSUE BEING WE DON'T WANT IT TO GO THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL STREET. WHOSE PROPERTY WOULD THE GATE BE ON? WAS THAT PINNED DOWN AT ALL? WAS IT GOING TO BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ON THE INDUSTRIAL SITE? >> THE GATE IS IN PLACE NOW, IT'S A OPERATIONAL EMERGENCY ACCESS-ONLY GATE. >> ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE? >> ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. >> THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, OKAY. >> IT FOLLOWS ALONG THE NORTH BOUNDARY AND HAS A PAVED EMERGENCY ACCESS SERVICE THAT CONNECTS TO THE PUBLIC STREET OF WOODSEY COURT. [03:35:01] >> SO THE ISSUE OR THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THAT GOES AWAY AND THEN TRAFFIC GOES UP THE RESIDENTIAL STREET? IS THAT THE ISSUE? YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN HEAR IT ALL. >> SURE. THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT AN INDUSTRIAL PARK OF THAT SIZE NEEDS TWO EMERGENCY EXITS, WHICH ARE 24 FEET IN WIDTH. WOODSEY COURT IS ONLY 20 FOOT IN WIDTH. THAT MEANS IF SOMEONE PARKS THE TRAILER ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET, WHICH THEY DO ALL THE TIME IN WOODSEY, WE GOT A LOT OF BLUE-COLLAR PEOPLE ON THAT STREET, HOW'S A FIRE TRUCK OR ANY FIREFIGHTERS GETTING AROUND THAT WHEN IT'S BLOCKED? THAT'S WHY IT NEEDS TO COME OFF OF A COLLECTOR STREET SUCH AS THAT WITH THE PROPER WIDTHS. FIRE TRUCKS ABOUT 14 FOOT IN WIDTH, VEHICLE, SEE THE ISSUES? FIRE TRUCK CAN'T GET AROUND THAT. THAT'S WHY WE WANT THAT REMOVED. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> YOU WANT THAT ACCESS REMOVED? >> THE EMERGENCY EXIT SHOULD BE REMOVED OFF OF A RESIDENTIAL STREET THAT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH. >> GOT IT. >> IT SHOULD BE MOVED TO A COLLECTOR STREET, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF TAX DOLLARS TO PAY FOR THIS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEVELOPER IS NOT GOING TO PROBABLY PAY FOR THIS, BUT THERE'S MONEY THERE TO BRING THIS UP TO CODE. WE PUT A BAND-AID ON THIS SO WE GET THIS DEVELOPMENT PASSED. THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS TO BRING IT UP TO CODE AND GET THE CORRECT WIDTH. IT'S EITHER THAT OR YOU WIDEN WOODSEY. >> I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THAT THOUGH, RIGHT? >> I DON'T THINK WE WANT THAT. >> GO AHEAD, RANDY. >> THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE. >> I KNOW THIS IS UNUSUAL, BUT I JUST WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE I'M 100% TRACKING, SO BEAR WITH ME IF I'M NOT. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ACCESS AND THE SCENARIO YOU PROVIDED? THAT'S A REAL SCENARIO, A TRAILER OR SOMETHING PARKED THERE. >> I HAVE A FIRE HYDRANT IN FRONT OF MY HOME. THERE'S A CERTAIN LENGTH THAT FOR RESIDENTIAL YOU CAN GO WITH FIRE TRUCKS CONNECTING TO A FIRE HYDRANT AND THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO AN INDUSTRIAL PART, THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY NEED THOSE TWO EMERGENCY EXITS, IS BECAUSE IF ONE'S BLOCKED, THEN THEY CAN HOPEFULLY GET TO THE OTHER. >> NO, I TRACK WITH THAT. BUT I'M ALSO THINKING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. I KNOW THERE ARE OBSTACLES SOMETIMES AROUND TOWN WHERE PEOPLE PARK WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO OR NARROW STREET AND A FIRE TRUCK HAS TO GET AROUND THAT. >> IF THERE'S A FIRE ON WOODSEY, THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT WITH HOSES AND FIRE CONNECTING THE FIRE HYDRANTS. BUT IF THERE'S AN ISSUE AT THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AND THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE IS BLOCKED, AND ONE OF MY NEIGHBOR IS GOT A TRAILER BLOCKED IN WOODSEY, HOW ARE THEY GETTING INTO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK? THEN THAT'S LITIGATION. THEN THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM, BECAUSE THIS WASN'T UP TO CODE. >> I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> ONE LAST THING, THE DEVELOPER, THEY DID THE BARE MINIMUM, THE CHEAPEST FENCE ALONG THERE. THEY DIDN'T EVEN FINISH STAINING IT. GO DRIVE DOWN AT THE END OF THE STREET. I GET IT, IT'S A TRANSITIONAL STREET. IT'S HARD TO FIND LOTS IN THIS TOWN. I WANT TO BUILD A NEW HOME, AN ARCHITECT. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN A 30-YEAR-OLD HOME, I WANT TO LIVE IN SOMETHING THAT I DESIGNED AND BUILT. IT'S HARD TO FIND LOTS. THAT'S WHERE WE ENDED UP. IT'S TRANSITIONAL, I GET THAT. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE STANDARD SHOULD BE DROPPED. WE HAVE A HIGH STANDARD IN SOUTHLAKE, AND WHAT THAT DEVELOPER DID WITH THAT FENCE AND NOT STAINING IT, THERE'S TWO ELDERLY PEOPLE AT THE END OF THAT STREET. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO MAINTENANCE IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO FENCES. THEY DIDN'T LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR ANYONE TO GET THROUGH THERE, AND WE DID AND TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUE. WE NEED Y'ALL TO STAND THE GROUND AGAINST THAT KIND OF STUFF. >> THAT'S NOT ON THIS MAP THOUGH THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT HERE ON THIS SITE PLAN. THAT'D BE TO THE RIGHT, I GUESS, OR TOP RIGHT. >> THE INDUSTRIAL PART'S TO THE RIGHT, AND THEN WOODSEY'S JUST THE NORTH OF ALL THAT. BUT THIS IS AN ISSUE I WILL NEVER LET DOWN. IF I HAVE TO BE CITY COUNCIL DOWN THE ROAD, I'LL DO IT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO END THIS FIGHT, I PROMISE YOU, NOT WITH MY SON LIVING THERE FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. WE'LL TAKE THAT UP SEPARATELY. ANYTHING ELSE ON 6D? I THINK WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE A MOTION? LET'S TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM 6D. >> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 6D, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-815 ZA24-0010. SECOND READING, ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN FOR THE SOUTHLAKE MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER AND PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING TOWER ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACKS 2E2E07, AND A PORTION OF TRACK 2E07A, JOHN N. GIBSON SURVEY ABSTRACT, 591, AND TRACK 1A1, HARRISON DECKER SURVEY ABSTRACT 438 CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 1630 AND 1638 BRUMLOW AVENUE, AND 1719 EAST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD, SOUTHLAKE TEXAS, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 28TH, 2024, AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED APRIL 12TH, 2024. NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN FOR THE SOUTHLAKE MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER AND PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING TOWER, [03:40:01] CHANGING THE ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, SP2, GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT, AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, AND THE NARRATIVE AND ZONING REGULATIONS AS PRESENTED. >> WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON ITEM 6D. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES. >> THAT MOTION CARRIES 6-0. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ITEM 7A, [7.A. Ordinance No. 480-297A, ZA24-0018, 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Tom Thumb Gasoline Service Station & Convenience Store, to include a Variance to Masonry Ordinance No. 577, as amended, at property described as Lot 4R, L.B.G. Hall No. 686 Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 110 W. Southlake Blvd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District with limited "C-3" Uses. Requested Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District with limited "C-3" Uses. SPIN Neighborhood #7.] ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-297 A, CASE NUMBER ZA 24-0018, FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR THE TOM THUMB GASOLINE SERVICE STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE AND THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD AND WHITE CHAPEL, DIRECTOR KILOW. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR OF CITY COUNCIL AGAIN. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 110 WEST SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD. IT IS A PREVIOUSLY EXISTING OPERATING GASOLINE SERVICE STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE. IT WAS APPROVED UNDER A EARLY SP2 ZONING, WHICH AT THE TIME, PERMITTED GASOLINE SERVICE STATIONS UNDER THE C2 ZONING DISTRICT AS A PERMITTED USE BY WR. THAT BASE ZONING WAS LATER MODIFIED AND PLACED GASOLINE SERVICE STATIONS WITH OR WITHOUT CONVENIENCE STORES INTO A PERMITTED USE WITH APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, ONLY IN THE C3 DISTRICT. THE GASOLINE SERVICE STATION DISCONTINUED OR ABANDONED THEIR OPERATION AND HAS SINCE LOST THEIR NON CONFORMING RIGHT. THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO REZONE THAT FROM THE SP2 REMNANT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY UNDER TO AN SP 1, DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT THAT WOULD PERMIT THE GASOLINE SERVICE STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE ALSO WITHIN A ASSOCIATED AUTOMATIC TELLER MACHINE IN PLACE OF THE PREVIOUS CAR WASH AND THAT WOULD BE PER THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN TO FOLLOW. LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS PROPERTY'S RETAIL COMMERCIAL, AS I MENTIONED, CURRENT ZONINGS SP2, GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT, AND THIS IS A PROPOSED SITE PLAN. IT WOULD IF APPROVED BE REZONED UNDER AN SP1, THAT WOULD ALLOW THE REMODELING RECONSTRUCTION OR IMPROVEMENT OF THE EXISTING STATION AND CANOPY. IT WOULD REPLACE THE AUTOMATIC CAR WASH OR DRIVE THROUGH CAR WASH IN THIS LOCATION WITH A DRIVE THROUGH ATM. THIS IS A BLOW UP OF THAT AREA. THESE ARE THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS INCLUDED WITH THIS IS A VARIANCE TO THE MASONRY ORDINANCE, NUMBER 557 TO ALLOW FOR SOME SYNTHETIC STUCCO APPLIED TO A PANEL. BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHT OF THE TRUE STUCCO PRODUCT, THE STRUCTURE WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT TYPE OF MATERIAL, SO THEY'RE PROPOSING A SYNTHETIC STUCCO IN LIEU OF THE TRUE THREE STEP CEMENT BASED STUCCO. THIS IS WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE STATION ARE. THOSE STUCCO PANELS WOULD REPLACE THIS METAL PANEL THAT'S CURRENTLY EXISTING. CAR WASH WOULD BE REPLACED AND RECONFIGURED FOR A ATM DRIVE THROUGH LANE. ABOVE IS THE REMODELED EXTERIOR AND COPY FOR THE NEW STATION AND ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING AND CANOPY. THIS IS THE PROPOSED ATM DRIVE THROUGH AND THIS IS ELEVATION OF THE TRASH ENCLOSURE. PREVIOUSLY, A LOUVER TYPE PANEL WAS PROPOSED. P&Z'S RECOMMENDATION WAS THE REDESIGN THAT TO MORE OF A SOLID 100% OPAQUE GATE, AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED THAT MODIFICATION. THIS WOULD BE THE ACCESS TO THE TRASH RECEPTACLE. THIS IS A SIDE ELEVATION ON THE EAST SIDE THAT IS FOR JUST EMPLOYEE ACCESS. THIS IS A PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THIS IS NOTIFICATION AREA MAP, [03:45:05] AND WE'VE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA. AS I MENTIONED, PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED THIS 5,0, ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER A SOLID TYPE ENCLOSURE DOOR ON THE TRASH ENCLOSURE. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILOW. I THINK FOUR OF US MAY HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE AT QUARTER COMMITTEE, SO I THINK IT STILL LOOKS GOOD. DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A PRESENTATION? DO WE REALLY NEED IT? COME ON DOWN, IF YOU'D LIKE. I THINK THINGS ARE PROBABLY GOING WELL, BUT MAYBE WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. APPRECIATE YOU STAYING LATE. YOU GOT THE SHORT END OF THE STICK HAVING TO BE THE LAST ITEM TONIGHT, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU STICKING AROUND NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> YES. DAVID HARDEN WITH TOM THUMB STORES, 20 401 EAST RANDOM MILL ROAD, ARLINGTON, TEXAS. I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND I THINK YOU SUBMITTED A COMMENT CARD, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES, SIR. >> OKAY. I'LL TAKE THAT UP. I'LL DO THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'M GUESSING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO SPEAK TWICE. I'M GOOD. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. GO AHEAD, RANDY. >> STILL NO TACOS, THOUGH, RIGHT? >> WHAT'S THAT? >> STILL NO TACOS, THOUGH? >> NO. WE'LL HAVE SOME FOOD ELEMENTS, BUT NOT THE TACO SHOP. YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST PERSON [INAUDIBLE]. >> I WAS HOPING A QUARTER MAYBE YOU'D FIND A WAY TO GIVE ME THOSE TACOS BACK. >> MAYBE CLAY CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. YOU'RE A CREATIVE GUY. >> IT WOULD BE TOUGH. BUT NO, IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT LITTLE C STORE. THIS THING IS AN EYESORE IT'S BUGGED US FOR A LONG TIME. WE'VE FINALLY GOT A LEASE SIGNED ON IT TO GET CONTROL OF IT, AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO CLEANING IT UP, AND TURN IT INTO SOMETHING EVERYBODY WILL BE PROUD OF, INCLUDING US. >> I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER. >> I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON IT? >> I WOULD SAY BEST CASE WOULD BE WE'D HAVE IT FINISHED AND OPEN BY THE END OF THE YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> SURE. >> PRO TEM WILLIAMSON? >> YES, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. CAN YOU SHOW ME, THIS IS PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD PICTURE, WHERE WOULD THE TRASH BE THE DUMPSTER ON THIS ONE? >> IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE, THE TRASH DUMPSTER WOULD BE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE C STORE. >> RIGHT BEHIND THE BUILDING THERE? >> CORRECT. IT'S NOT SHOWING UP ON THIS DRAWING BUT THAT'S WHERE IT'D BE LOCATED. >> YEAH, IT'S A GREAT LOCATION. NEXT QUESTION, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONVENIENCE STORE ASPECT, AND MAYBE TOM THUMB, THIS IS A NORMAL THING. I KNOW OFTENTIMES, WHEN YOU GO TO THE GROCERY GAS CENTER, YOU DON'T SEE A CONVENIENCE STORE. YOU SEE JUST A LITTLE BOX AND BASICALLY NOTHING THERE BUT LIKE A TELLER. IS IT GOING TO BE A FULL CONVENIENCE STORE LKE YOU WOULD WALK INTO LIKE [INAUDIBLE]? >> YEAH, IT WILL BE A FULL BLOWN CONVENIENCE STORE. WE'RE GOING TO GOT THIS THING ALL THE WAY TO THE WALLS. NEW AIR CONDITIONING, NEW FLOORS, EVERYTHING IN THERE WILL BE NEW. >> NO WAY IT WAS REALLY NICE BEFORE. >> IT'S GOING TO BE NICE IT'S A LITTLE ROUGH TODAY. >> SURE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP ANY OF THE STUFF IN IT?. >> NO. IT'LL ALL BE NEW. >> THE LAST QUESTION IS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN SOME MORE. I WASN'T TRACKING FULLY WITH THE STUCCO SUBSTITUTE AND THE WHY BEHIND THAT ISN'T YOUR MAIN STORE THERE STUCCO, OR LIKE TOM THUMB IS ACTUAL STUCCO, CORRECT? >> YEAH, I'VE ACTUALLY GOT A SAMPLE OF THE MATERIAL IF YOU'D LIKE TO. >> THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. MAYBE YOU CAN JUST TELL US AGAIN WHY SOMETHING TO DO WITH WEIGHT OR SOMETHING I THOUGHT I HEARD. >> THE AREA ON THE CANOPY OF THE BUILDING ITSELF IT'S A METAL AND THE STRUCTURE IS ONLY BUILT TO HOLD UP THE METAL PANEL. IF WE GO TO A EFS TYPE MATERIAL, WE WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY RECONSTRUCT THE ENTIRE BUILDING ON THE UPPER AREA. WE CAME UP WITH THIS ALTERNATIVE, WHICH LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE EFS, BUT IT'S A METAL PANEL, AND IT'LL ALL BE REPLACED, IT'LL ALL BE NEW AND WHEN YOU STAND ON THE GROUND AND LOOK UP AT IT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. >>DOES IT WEATHER AT A SIMILAR RATE AS? >> IT WILL ACTUALLY WEATHER BETTER. >> BETTER. OKAY. >> THAT'S A GREAT PRODUCT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> NO, I'LL JUST SAY, ASSUMING THIS PASSES, THANK YOU. I HAVE FOR AS LONG AS WE'VE LIVED HERE, YOU TOOK MY WORD I NEVER TAKE TACOS THERE. I SELDOM STOP FOR GAS, I JUST WANTED TO LOOK BETTER THAN IT DOES AND BE MORE SERVICEABLE. THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. IT'S GOING TO HAVE STONE, AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO A SOUTH LAKE WORTHY FACILITY. [03:50:02] >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> APPRECIATE. >> THIS IS A FIRST READING, SO IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT MR. HARDEN DID SUBMIT A PUBLIC COMMENT FORM SO I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. DAVID HARDEN, 20 401 EAST RANDALL MILL, ARLINGTON, TEXAS, SAID HE WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM, AND I THINK HE ALREADY HAS. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEE, NONE. I'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON 7A? MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, I THINK WE'RE READY TO GO HOME. LET'S MOTION ON 7A. >> LET'S DO IT. MAYOR AND COUNCIL I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 7A, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-297 A, ZA 24-0018 FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR TOM THUMB, GASOLINE, SERVICE STATION, AND CONVENIENCE STORE TO INCLUDE A VARIANCE TO MASONRY ORDINANCE NUMBER 577 AS AMENDED AT PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 4R, LBG HALL NUMBER 686 ADDITION, IN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 110 WEST SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD, SOUTH LAKE, TEXAS. SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 28, 2024, AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED MAY 28, 2024, NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE IN SITE MOVING FROM SP2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT TO SP1 ZONING DISTRICT, TO ACCOMMODATE THE GASOLINE SERVICE STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE, AND DRIVE UP ATM SERVICE, APPROVING THE REQUESTED VARIANCE TO THE MASONRY ORDINANCE NUMBER 557, AS AMENDED, USES AND REGULATIONS AS APPOSED WITH THE FOLLOWING. THAT'S IT, AS PROPOSED. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> CAST YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION CARRY 6-0, WE WILL SEE YOU IN, I GUESS, TWO WEEKS FOR THE SECOND READING. THANKS, GUYS AND THAT IS OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM, SO WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.