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>> [NOISE] GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. THANKS FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING,

[1. Call to Order.]

AUGUST 8TH, 2024.

THIS IS THE SOUTHLAKE CITY HALL.

THIS IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR THIS EVENING.

MY NAME IS DAN KURIAX.

COME TO CHAIRMAN IN MEETING. APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE STARTING A COUPLE OF MINUTES LATE.

THIS IS OUR FIRST MEETING BACK FROM SUMMER BREAK, SO TO SPEAK.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

WE MIGHT TAKE ONE OR TWO OUT OF ORDER, POTENTIALLY MOVE UP ITEMS 11 AND 12, BECAUSE THOSE LOOK TO BE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD ONES THAT STATE LAW HAS A MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON HOW WE CAN VOTE ON THAT.

WE MIGHT MOVE THOSE UP, OTHERWISE, WE'LL TAKE THE AGENDA IN NORMAL ORDER.

I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TO ON OUR AGENDA, OTHER THAN JUST WELCOME EVERYBODY HERE.

FOR EACH CASE, HOPEFULLY, WILL BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

WE'LL HAVE A CITY PRESENTATION.

WE'LL ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

SOME OF THEM WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IN OUR WORK SESSION EARLIER TODAY.

POTENTIALLY, WE'LL HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION IF IT'S HELPFUL.

WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE EVERYBODY GETS UP TO THREE MINUTES IF THEY'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON AN ITEM, AND THEN WE'LL DELIBERATE AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF THE LAY LAND AND HOW THESE MEETINGS WORK.

OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY, I GUESS, THERE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS.

[3. Administrative Comments.]

>> I'D REMIND THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE ON THE COURT OR COMMITTEE THAT YOU'LL BE GETTING AN INVITATION FOR A MEETING HERE SHORTLY, AND IT'S LOOKING LIKE AN EARLY SEPTEMBER MEETING POTENTIALLY.

WHEN YOU GET THAT NOTIFICATION, JUST RESPOND REGARDING YOUR ATTENDANCE AND HOPEFULLY ALL OR MOST OF YOU CAN ATTEND.

>> YEAH, DEFINITELY BONUS POINTS

[4. Chairman Comments.]

FOR ATTENDANCE THERE AT THAT MEETING AND THAT'S A PUBLIC MEETING.

I KNOW STAFF WILL ONCE A DATE IS SETTLED ON, WELL PUBLICIZE FOR RESIDENTS, AND IT'S A MEETING THAT HAPPENS AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS THAT APPLICANTS AND RESIDENTS CAN SEE WHAT POTENTIAL PROJECTS MIGHT COME FORWARD AND GET EARLY FEEDBACK SO THAT WE GET AHEAD OF THINGS IF THERE'S SIGNIFICANT ISSUES.

JUST A HEADS UP ON WHAT THAT MEETING IS.

WITH THIS, THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I MAKE IS DR. SPRINGER, OUR COMMISSIONER UP HERE AWARD WINNING COMMISSIONER FROM LAST YEAR, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, AWARD WINNING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER IS STARTING HIS 21ST YEAR, I BELIEVE, UP ON THE DIS CONSECUTIVELY.

CONGRATULATIONS. WE APPRECIATE AGAIN, YOUR ONGOING TENURE HERE AND EXPERIENCE.

>> I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE MY CITY. THANK YOU.

>> YOUR WELCOME, DULY NOTED FOR THE RECORD.

WITH THAT, WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER 5,

[5. Consider: Approval of the minutes for the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on June 6, 2024. ]

WHICH IS CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JUNE 6TH.

WE'VE ALL BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THOSE.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THOSE BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 5 ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS THE MINUTES FROM OUR PREVIOUS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 6, 2024.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.

GO. WILL A 3-2 VOTE GET IT DONE?

>> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> YOU CAN EITHER STAIN OR YOU CAN VOTE FOR IT IF YOU READ IT AND HAVE NO ISSUES WITH IT AS WHAT I'VE UNDERSTOOD IN THE PAST, WHEN YOU MISSED MEETINGS.

I DO KNOW THAT WE NEED A MAJORITY APPROVAL, SO THAT'S WHY I'M GLAD WE GOT THAT.

WE'LL HOPEFULLY PICK UP A LITTLE MOMENTUM HERE OUT OF THE BLOCKS.

DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANTS HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 11 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS THE PLAT REVISION FOR 13R1 AND R2 AND SIMON ACRES ADDITION? DO WE HAVE THAT? WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO ITEM NUMBER 11 FIRST.

[11. Consider: ZA24-0034, Plat Revision for Lots 13R1 and 13R2, Block 3R, Cimmarron Acres Addition, being a revision of Lot 13, Block 3R, Cimmarron Acres Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 101 N. Pearson Lane, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #11 PUBLIC HEARING ]

THIS ONE, I THINK IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

I KNOW WE'VE LISTENED TO THIS CASE IN OUR WORK SESSION.

IT'S A PLAT REVISION THAT I BELIEVE STAFF CAN CONFIRM, DOESN'T HAVE ANY VARIATIONS TO IT FROM PREVIOUS APPROVALS THROUGH THE CITY PROCESS.

IT'S A FAIRLY MINISTERIAL REQUEST THIS EVENING, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

IT'S AT THE NORTHEAST INTERSECTION, NORTH PEARSON AND WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

IT RECENTLY WENT THROUGH A ZONING CHANGE FROM C2 RETAIL ZONING TO SP2, RETAIL ZONING TO INCLUDE A SELF SERVE DRIVE THROUGH CAR WASH.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAT IS TO ESTABLISH A LOT BOUNDARY AROUND THE CAR WASH PAD SITE AND OPERATION AREA, AND FOR THE FUTURE PLAT SITE THAT WAS APPROVED UNDER THAT ZONING FOR

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A FUTURE RETAIL TYPE USE [OVERLAPPING] REPRESENTING THAT BOUNDARY.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? ALL GOOD.

DOES ANYONE WANT TO ASK OUR APPLICANT TO COME UP ON THIS ITEM, OR DOES EVERYONE OKAY WITH THIS OR THINK WE'RE OKAY? IS IT OKAY, APPLICANT? A YOU'RE GOOD IF WE'RE GOOD? ITEM NUMBER 11 ON OUR AGENDA DOES CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM AND SEE IF ANYONE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT.

SEEING NO ONE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ONE?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 11 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

THAT'S CASE NUMBER ZA24-0034.

SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 2ND, 2024, AND SUBJECT TO THE PLAT REVISIONS REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED AUGUST 2ND, 2024.

>> WE GET A NOD FROM STAFF.

WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.

>> SECOND.

>> GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE. PASS IS 5, 0.

CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WILL BE ON.

>> AUGUST 20TH.

>> WOW. NAILED IT THIS TIME.

WELL, NO SUMMER BREAK FOR DENNIS.

HE'S SHARP AND ON IT.

AUGUST 20TH, NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU.

NOW WE'LL AHEAD TO DO ITEM 12 REAL QUICKLY AS WELL.

IT'S VERY SIMILAR CASE PLAT REVISION FOR THE LOT AR, 2R BURGER EDITION.

DO WE HAVE THAT APPLICANT HERE FOR ITEM 12 THIS EVENING? I GUESS THIS IS THE PATONVILLE ADDRESS PROPERTY, I BELIEVE.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THAT ONE? WE MIGHT WAIT FOR THAT ONE THEN.

OR I GUESS UNLESS IS THE APPLICANT GOING TO ATTEND THIS EVENING, I'M ASSUMING.

>> OUR BELIEF IS, YES, THAT THEY WOULD BE PRESENT FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY HAVE.

>> HE WAS HERE APPARENTLY. WELL [OVERLAPPING] JUST A SECOND.

>> WE'LL JUST PUSH IT BACK TO THE BACK OF THE AGENDA.

HE LOST HIS CHANCE TO CUT THE LINE.

MAYBE WE'LL GO AHEAD AND JUST TABLE EVEN BACK TO THE RADAR SPOT IN THE AGENDA UNTIL THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND THEN WE'LL MAYBE JUST MOVE TO ITEM 6.

DOES THAT SOUND GOOD?

>> CERTAINLY.

[6. Consider: ZA24-0011, Site Plan for Restoration Church on property described as Lot 4, F. Throop No. 1511 Addition, and located at 1280 E. Highland Ave. Current Zoning: “CS” Community Service District. SPIN Neighborhood #3. PUBLIC HEARING ]

>> NOW WE'LL JUST START ITEM 6, WHICH IS THE SITE PLAN FOR RESTORATION CHURCH.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> I'M SORRY FOR THE MISS DIRECTOR.

>> THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO PLACE A TWO STORY, ROUGHLY 12,500 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION ONTO THE EXISTING RESTORATION CHURCH LOCATED AT 1280 EAST HIGHLAND STREET.

IT ALSO INCLUDES SOME PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS IS A AERIAL OF THE SITE AND THE EXISTING CHURCH AT THIS LOCATION.

THE PROPERTY ON THE LAND USE PLAN IS DESIGNATED AS PUBLIC, SEMI PUBLIC AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED CS COMMUNITY SERVICE DISTRICT USE, WHICH INCLUDES PLACES OF WORSHIP AS A PERMITTED USE.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

THIS IS THE ADDITION BEING PROPOSED AND THE NEW PARKING AREA TO BE PROPOSED WITH A FUTURE PARKING AREA TO THE NORTHWEST OF THAT.

THEN A NEW DRIVEWAY EXTENSION THAT WOULD ROUGHLY INTERSECT AT WHERE THE CURRENT PARSONAGE LOT IS, WHICH IS ON A SEPARATE LOT.

WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY LOCATED.

AS MENTIONED IN YOUR WORK SESSION, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WAS NOT CAPTURED IN THE ORIGINAL REVIEW THAT WENT OUT.

THIS IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY HERE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, AND WITH THE PARKING CONFIGURATION IN THIS AREA, AND BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL PARKING AND TRAFFIC COUNTS BEING ADDED TO THE SITE, WITH THIS, THIS PARTICULAR DRIVEWAY DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM 75 FOOT STACKING DEPTH THAT'S REQUIRED, AND APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THAT EITHER BY RECONFIGURATION OF THAT AREA OR REQUEST FOR VARIANCE.

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ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S A BLOW UP OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS AND A COMPARATIVE ARIEL OF THE SIDE AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.

THIS IS THE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN AND THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS OF THE NEW ADDITION, THE WEST AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS AND EAST AND NORTH ELEVATIONS.

THESE ARE RENDERINGS OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION AND WHAT WOULD BE MODIFIED ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO MAKE THOSE COMPATIBLE.

THIS IS A STREET VIEW FROM EAST HIGHLAND LOOKING IN A EASTERLY DIRECTION, AND A VIEW LOOKING IN A WESTERLY DIRECTION.

ALTHOUGH THIS MAP HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED, I THINK WE'VE JUST RECEIVED EARLY THIS EVENING AND HAVE PASSED OUT TO YOU SOME A FEW LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, I DO BELIEVE.

WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE THOSE ON THIS MAP.

BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE THOSE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING.

WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I CAN.

>> IT'S AS DENNIS SAID AND WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT, BUT IT APPEARS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN INCREASE IN THE SIZE OF THE SANCTUARY PER SE, BUT MORE AUXILIARY MEETING SPACE, GATHERING SPACE.

IS THAT SEEMS MAJOR [OVERLAPPING]

>> THE NARRATIVE THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED WAS THAT IT IS TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL MEETING AND CLASSROOM SPACE.

WE DO NOT KNOW THE CHANGE IN SEATING CAPACITY WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT WAS NOT INDICATED IN THERE SITE PLAN REVIEW.

I THINK THE TOTAL SEATING WITH THE ADDITION.

IF ANY NEW SEATING IS INCLUDED IN THAT, IS SHOWN TO BE ROUGHLY 420 SEATS.

THE PARKING ADDITION ADDRESSES THAT SEATING CAPACITY AND MAY VERY WELL BE TAKING CARE OF SOME PARKING DEFICIENCIES THEY MAY HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING ALREADY.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE FEW PARKING CHALLENGES, AND THIS IS I GUESS SOMETHING INTENDED TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS PER STAFF.

THANKS. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE ON THIS ITEM THIS EVENING? THERE WE GO. IF YOU DON'T MIND, YOU CAN JUST STATE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN I THINK, YOU JUST HAVE A FEW QUICK COMMENTS YOU WANT TO MAKE OR WE CAN JUST GO INTO QUESTIONS, WHATEVER'S EASIEST.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

I'M ANDREW OXLEY, 911 HOUSTON STREET IN FORT WORTH.

>> DARREN ANDREWS, 3917 VICKSBURG, IN A FIRE MOUNT.

>> I'M THE ARCHITECT WITH OXLEY ARCHITECTS, AND DARREN IS WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEERING GROUP, MACAS.

>> I GUESS MAYBE JUST REAL QUICKLY OFF THE CUFF.

SOUNDS LIKE IN A SUBSEQUENT REVIEW, THE STACKING DEPTH VARIANCE CAME UP ON THE WESTERN ACCESS POINT.

I GUESS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HEAR HOW THE REST OF THE DIALOGUE GOES.

BUT I GUESS IS THAT SOMETHING I GUESS YOU GUYS COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IN TERMS OF TRYING TO REFINE THAT EITHER TO COMPLIANCE AND/OR BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION TODAY.

BUT YOU COULD REFINE IT, MAYBE EITHER TO COMPLIANCE OR CLOSER TO COMPLIANCE, I GUESS WITH A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

>> DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT?

>> YES, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT.

I DON'T KNOW WITH IT BEING EXISTING AND WITH THE CONFIGURATION THAT IT IS.

THERE'S PROBABLY A GOOD CHANCE THAT WE'D BE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE.

BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

>> WE'LL SEE WHAT PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT, I GUESS. OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> YEAH, I THINK IT'D PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA ON THAT WESTERN SIDE TO ALSO INCREASE THE WIDTH OF THAT DRIVE THERE.

IT'S PRETTY NARROW AT THAT POINT, AT LEAST TO MATCH THE ONE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE FOR THE NEW DRIVE.

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>> WE CAN NOTE THAT DOWN.

IS SOMETHING FOR THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THE POND FOR RETENTION OR TO TURN?

>> YES, IT'S JUST A RETENTION POND.

>> IS THAT TO CURE SOME FLOODING ISSUES NOW OR BECAUSE OF THE ADDED?

>> IT'S BECAUSE OF THE ADDED [INAUDIBLE] AREA OF THE PARKING LOT.

>> OKAY.

>> HOW MANY TRAFFIC TRIPS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE ADDING WITH THE ADDITION TO THE CHURCH? THIS NEW ADDITION HERE.

YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEA ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY?

>> WE ACTUALLY DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC BECAUSE WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF SEATS IN THE SANCTUARIES [OVERLAPPING] OR AMOUNT OF VEHICLES.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT, I GUESS JUST CONFIRMING THIS ADDITION IT'S CLASSROOMS, MEETING ROOMS.

>> IT'S STRICTLY CHILDREN'S CLASSROOMS AND A LITTLE BIT ADDITIONAL WHAT WE CALL COMMONS OR LOBBY SPACE FOR ADDITIONAL PEOPLE FLOW.

>> SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT WHERE PEOPLE WERE PARKING IN THE GRASS AND SUCH, THIS BASICALLY IS GOING TO ELIMINATE THAT AND GIVE EVERYBODY HARD PARKING.

>> YES. THAT'S OUR HOPE IS TO ELIMINATE THAT ISSUE WITH THIS PARKING LOT.

>> VERY GOOD. THANKS.

>> ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE GOT IN FEEDBACK IN THE LETTERS WAS THE LOCATION OF THE DUMPSTER.

ON THE LEFT SIDE OF IT IS OBVIOUSLY THE SCHOOL AND MAYBE POTENTIALLY COMMERCIAL AT SOME POINT, ON THE EAST SIDE IS RESIDENTIAL.

SO FROM A NOISE STANDPOINT WITH LOADING AND ALL THAT JAZZ, IS THERE A WAY YOU COULD LOCATE IT ON THE WEST SIDE GET IT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS?

>> ABSOLUTELY. YES.

>> WITH PROPER SCREENING OBVIOUSLY.

>> WHAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE WESTERN INGRESS AND EGRESS AND YOU GO DUE NORTH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT MAKES SENSE.

BUT THEN TO THE CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS, THE SCREENING THEN ENDS UP BEING EVEN MORE IMPORTANT SO MAYBE IT'S FURTHER BACK OR TOUCH BEHIND TREES OR SOMETHING.

>> THAT'S A GREAT POINT. WE CAN CERTAINLY RELOCATE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN BEING ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AND I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MY CITY STAFF, IS THERE FENCING THAT GOES AROUND? CAN WE ASK MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE LANDSCAPING AS FAR AS A TRASH ENCLOSURE?

>> IT'S REQUIRED A EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY SCREEN AROUND IT, AND YES, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING COULD BE PUT IN PLACE TO SOFTEN THE APPEARANCE OF THAT AS WELL.

>> I THINK BOTH OF THOSE SHOULD BE IMPORTANT.

>> WE CURRENTLY HAVE A DUMPSTER SCREEN THAT WOULD BE EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY, SO WE CAN JUST SIMPLY RELOCATE IT AND ADD SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE.

>> I JUST DIG INTO THAT. TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION.

YOU INDICATE FUTURE PARKING, DO YOU ANTICIPATE NEEDING TO PAVE THAT ADDITIONAL AREA SOMETIME?

>> AGAIN, OUR HOPE IS THAT THIS WILL ALLEVIATE THE PARKING ISSUE CURRENTLY.

WE'RE HOLDING THAT SPACE ON THE SITE PLAN JUST IN CASE WE NEED TO ADD MORE AND COME BACK AND GET A SEPARATE PERMIT FOR ADDING THAT PARKING.

BUT CURRENTLY FOR BUDGET REASONS, WE'RE NOT ADDING THAT PARKING, AND OUR HOPE IS THAT THIS WILL ADDRESS THE ISSUE.

>> THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE FOR THIS TRACT?

>> DISTRICT IS 65%, WHICH THEY'RE WELL UNDER THAT EVEN WITH THE ADDITIONAL PARKING.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I WOULD HAVE IS IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ADDING A LOT OF LANDSCAPE, WHICH WE'RE REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT AND GRASS THERE.

ALL OF THIS IS IRRIGATED? EVERYTHING THAT WE SEE ON HERE IS GOING TO BE IRRIGATED AND MAINTAINED?

>> YES.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW, BUT WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP DEPENDING ON HOW THE DISCUSSION GOES. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ITEM NUMBER 6 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYBODY LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT? IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES EACH PERSON.

>> RICHARD AND CHRISTINA SCHULTZ.

WE ACTUALLY LIVE RIGHT BEHIND THE PRAYER PATH ON 1204 BLYTHE LANE, WHICH IS WHERE IT SAYS 1202 I'M RIGHT BEHIND IT.

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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M SEEING RIGHT HERE OF THE MAP, IT LOOKS FANTASTIC BUT WHAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING IS REALLY THE ELEVATION.

THIS IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST POINTS IN SOUTHLAKE.

THAT PRAYER PATH IS PROBABLY THE SECOND HIGHEST POINT.

WHEN YOU COME FROM CARROLL AND YOU COME IN THROUGH HIGHLAND, THAT FIRST ENTRANCE THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE CHURCH.

WHAT WE EXPERIENCE IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE, NOT BECAUSE THE ENTRANCE IS NOT BIG ENOUGH, IT'S BECAUSE THE ENTRANCE TO THE CHURCH IS RIGHT THERE AT THE BEGINNING.

WE END UP WITH A LOT OF CONGESTION THROUGHOUT THAT AREA BECAUSE OF WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS LOCATED, AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION.

WHEN YOU'RE COMING UP THAT STREET, IT'S NOT FLAT.

YOU'RE GOING UP AND YOU'RE MEETING UP TO THAT LOCATION.

SAME IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OPPOSITE, WHICH IS THE NEW DRIVEWAY THAT'S GOING TO CREATE THAT U WHEN YOU'RE COMING BACK FROM HIGHLAND TO CARROLL, THAT'S GOING DOWNHILL SO THE CARS THAT ARE COMING UP DON'T SEE YOU.

WE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE CARS ARE GOING TO BE STARTING TO BEING PARKED ON GRASS.

THAT WAS A VERY BIG CONCERN TO US BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT CARS THAT ARE HOT ON TOP OF GRASS IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER, CREATE A FIRE, AND THEREFORE SPREAD INTO OUR HOUSE.

WE ARE THANKFUL THAT THE EXPANSION OF THE PARKING LOT IS BEING CREATED BUT STILL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT ISSUE OF SAFETY BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT TRAFFIC JAM RIGHT THERE.

MIND YOU, WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS.

MY WIFE IS PART OF THE CITY.

SHE WAS A THIRD PLACE.

YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN HER BEFORE.

ACTUALLY, I GOT MOST OF MY FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY FROM KEN BAKER, WHO WAS THE EX-CITY PLANNER.

I USED TO PLAY SOCCER WITH HIM.

WE'VE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN THE CITY.

WE LOVE THAT THERE IS GROWTH.

THE ISSUE THAT WE ARE SEEING IS THAT WE ARE SEEING GROWTH FROM GATEWAY CHURCH WITH XO.

WE'RE SEEING WESTON COME IN.

IT EXPANDS BEYOND THE 300 FEET THAT I THINK IS REALLY LOOKED AT IN THE PLAN, BECAUSE THE FOLKS THAT ARE REALLY AFFECTED BY THIS ARE PROBABLY MORE HALF A MILE AWAY ON HIGHLAND.

EVERYBODY THAT'S COMING IN FROM KIMBALL TOWARDS, WOULD THAT BE ON THE WEST SIDE? THEY GET AFFECTED TOO BY ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT'S BEEN CREATED BY ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

THAT EVEN INCLUDES ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT GOT ADDED ON 114TH AND CARROLL. GO AHEAD.

>> ONE THING THAT I'M CONCERNED IS THE DRAINAGE.

IT HASN'T BEEN VERY GOOD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WILDLIFE AS WELL.

>> WE UNDERSTAND THAT CREATING A PARKING LOT, MORE CEMENT.

YOU NEED TO GET THAT WATER SOMEWHERE.

THE LOCATION OF THE POND IS GOING TO REMOVE A LOT OF TREES THAT REALLY, THOSE ARE THE BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND US AND THE CHURCH.

IT'S GOING TO LIMIT, I LOOK AT IT AS A SAFETY HAZARD FOR, IT'S NOT EVEN A MIDDLE SCHOOL, IT'S WHERE OUR KIDS WENT FOR INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL. INTERMEDIATE?

>> ELEMENTARY.>> ELEMENTARY. THANK YOU.

AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS, WE REALLY LIKE THE FACT THAT AGAIN, THE GROWTH IS HAPPENING AROUND THE AREA, BUT IT IS A POINT WHERE TOO MUCH GROWTH, WHAT IS IT GOING TO DO TO THIS AREA? ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DOING WAS WHEN WE GO TO SEE THE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS, WE GO TO INTERLOCKEN AND ARLINGTON AND THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE HAVEN'T GONE BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN IS TRAFFIC AND CRASHES IN THE AREA.

WE STAYED OUT, AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT.

WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS AREA.

WE'RE CONCERNED THAT MORE GROWTH IS FANTASTIC, BUT IT'S GOING TO CREATE THAT PROBLEM.

>> ALSO, FOR OUR FAMILIES THAT LIVE HERE, THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR SO LONG, WE LIKE THE FACT THAT WE CAN HAVE OUR CHILDREN AND OURSELVES WALK TO TOWN SQUARE IN WALKING DISTANCE OF PLACES, AND ALL THIS TRAFFIC IS GOING TO POTENTIALLY CREATE PROBLEMS OF OUR KIDS

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GOING INTO PLACES BECAUSE YOU SAY THAT THE SPEED LIMITS IS SOMETHING, BUT TRAFFIC.

>> THE SPEED LIMIT ON HIGHLAND IS 35 MILES AN HOUR.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS GONE 35 MILES ON HIGHLAND.

BUT IT'S RIGHT WHERE THE 12-82 HOUSES, THAT'S PROBABLY THE HIGHEST POINT.

THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE START TO SLOW DOWN.

THAT'S LATE IN THE GAME TO SLOW DOWN.

I WISH THERE WAS A WAY TO CONTROL THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

I HOPE THERE WAS A DIFFERENT WAY OF PLANNING THIS OUT.

WE WOULD THINK THAT 30,000, 40,000 AND I THINK YOU GOT A QUESTION.

LET ME STOP. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> NO. I WAS GOING TO SAY GOING UP TO SIX MINUTES NOW BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE TWO OF YOU HERE.

I GUESS IF MAYBE DON'T MIND WRAPPING UP.

I KNOW TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT IS BEYOND THIS BODY, ALTHOUGH THE STAFF CAN GET INTO THAT.

>> TRAFFIC CONCERNS REALLY IS THE BIGGEST ONE, THE SAFETY, DRAINAGE, AND WILDLIFE.

ACTUALLY, THE SAFETY FOR THE PARISHIONERS.

THEY'RE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND THEY'RE HAVING TO CROSS THE STREET TO GET TO THE CHURCH.

>> CAN I JUST ASK REAL QUICK? FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, IT'S JUST SUNDAY THOUGH OR ARE YOU SEEING IT A LOT DURING THE WEEK?

>> THE CHURCH DOES HAVE EVENTS OTHER DAYS OF THE WEEK, BUT IT'S MAINLY SUNDAY, YES.

>> I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I APPRECIATE IT. THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER 6 DOES REMAIN OPEN, IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

SEEING NO ONE, I GUESS I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I GUESS REALLY QUICKLY WITH STAFF.

I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU COULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THIS IN TERMS OF MAYBE REACHING OUT TO THE POLICE AND MAYBE JUST NOTIFYING THEM RELATIVE TO ANY SPEEDING OR TRAFFIC CONCERNS ALONG KIRKWOOD/HIGHLAND.

I GUESS WE'LL CALL IT HIGHLAND THERE.

JUST MAYBE TO REACH OUT ABOUT THAT.

I'M ASSUMING THAT RELATIVE TO THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE ON THE SITE, THAT WILL BE RUN THROUGH CITY STAFF, AND THOSE PLANS WILL BE REVIEWED AND I'M ASSUMING IF THERE'S ANY DEFICIENCIES FOUND IN THOSE, THE STAFF WILL NOTIFY APPLICANT ACCORDINGLY.

IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT, YES.

>> OKAY. JUST BIG, BIG PICTURE.

THE LAND USE ON THIS IS COMMUNITY SERVICE, WHICH IT'S CONSISTENT WITH, CORRECT?

>> THE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS SEMI-PUBLIC OR THE ZONING IS COMMUNITY SERVICE, WHICH DOES PERMIT THE USE THAT IS THERE.

>> IT IS JUST MORE NUTS AND BOLTS FOR PEOPLE, BUT THE SITE PLAN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A SITE PLAN THAT OTHER THAN THE STACKING DEPTH COMPLIES WITH ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS, CORRECT?

>> YES.

>> JUST OUTLINING SOME OF THIS BECAUSE OUR LATITUDE IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN TERMS OF IF THINGS ARE CONSISTENT WITH OUR ORDINANCES.

THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE UP HERE TO DO IS FOLLOW OUR LAND USE PLAN AND OUR ORDINANCES.

WE HAVE REALLY LIMITED LATITUDE ON THIS, BUT WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE PUBLIC SAFETY AND WORK WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THAT, MAKE SURE THE DRAINAGE PLANS ARE INSPECTED.

THEN WE CAN ALSO REALLY ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT AS YOU'RE HEARING, MAYBE REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS.

SOUNDS LIKE WE HAD SOME OTHER CORRESPONDENCE AS WELL.

MAYBE THEY CAN'T MAKE IT HERE TONIGHT, I THINK IS WHAT I READ.

I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT IF THIS MOVES ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL THERE'LL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING THERE, AND CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE EXPECTED YOU TO REACH OUT AND SEE, ARE THERE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS HERE? I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER STEP THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE HERE.

I'M TRYING TO SEE IF I HAD ANYTHING ELSE IN MY NOTES.

JUST REALLY QUICKLY, DENNIS, AND I COULDN'T FIND IT IN THE MEMOS IN FRONT OF ME.

QUICK QUIZ TIME. THE LAND USE ACROSS CARROLL TO THE SOUTH, WHAT YOU HAPPEN TO RECALL WHAT THAT LAND USE IS?

>> JUMP TO THE AREA.

>> APOLOGIES FOR THE QUESTION ON THE FLY HERE.

THIS IS MORE JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE.

IT'S STILL COMMUNITY SERVICE.

>> IT'S OFFICE, COMMERCIAL, AND MIXED USE ON THE LAND USE.

>> GOT YOU.

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>> BUT THE ZONING ON IT IS CURRENTLY COMMUNITY SERVICE AND THAT WAS TO ACCOMMODATE THE PREVIOUSLY OPERATING SCHOOL THAT WAS ONCE IN PLACE.

>> IF YOU CAN GO BACK ONE SLIDE REAL QUICK.

TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE SUNDAY ONLY TREAD.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THE LAND USE PLAN AS IT SITS TODAY.

THIS TRACK ACROSS THERE, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT HERE FOR THAT TONIGHT, BUT THAT IS LAND USED OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

YOU CAN MEET WITH STAFF AND STAFF IS HAPPY TO EDUCATE AND TALK THROUGH WHAT DOWN THE ROAD COULD BE CONTEMPLATED THERE OR NOT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE YOU CAN TALK TO STAFF AND GET A FEEL FOR WHAT ELSE COULD BE COMING DOWN THE ROAD HERE.

JUST A TANGENT.

>> JUST REAL QUICK ON THAT.

>> ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HIGHLANDS AT THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER OF CARROLL AND HIGHLANDS, OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

WITHIN THE CITY'S PLAN FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENT, HIGHLANDS, IS THAT TO BE IMPROVED AT SOME POINT? I ASSUME WHEN THAT PIECE I JUST TALKED ABOUT IS REPLATTED, THERE'LL BE A DEDICATION AND THEN IT'LL BE EXPANDED JUST LIKE EAST OF THERE IN KIRKWOOD?

>> YES. THE PLAN ACCORDING TO THE THOROUGHFARE IS TO WIDEN THAT TO AT LEAST AN 88-FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF WAY AND WOULD CONSIST OF A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY, SO YOU'D HAVE TWO LANES EAST AND WEST, AND THEN POTENTIALLY TURN LANE IF WARRANTED AT ANY INTERSECTIONS ALONG THAT.

>> IT'S GOING TO FEEL LIKE IT DOES EAST OF THIS CHURCH GOING FORWARD TO CARROLL.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> CAPACITY WOULD FEEL BETTER.

>> NO, IT'S A GOOD POINT. THEN AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING STAFF CAN OUTLINE IN MORE DETAIL.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? I GUESS I HEARD CLEARLY NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AFTER THIS MEETING AND TALK WITH THEM ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS, SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP ADDRESS THOSE.

AN EXAMPLE, CONSIDERING RELOCATING THE DUMPSTER TO THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE WITH APPROPRIATE SCREENING, INCLUDING LANDSCAPE SCREENING, AND THEN POTENTIALLY WIDENING THE DRIVEWAY WIDTH FOR THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY ON THE WESTERN SIDE, AND AS WELL EXAMINING.

WHAT WE TRY TO DO HERE IS TRY TO REFINE APPLICATIONS SO THAT WHEN IT GETS TO CITY COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL WILL PROBABLY LOOK FOR CERTAIN THINGS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THEM READY VERSUS BEING SURPRISED, AND I THINK I WOULD PREPARE A PLAN THAT MAYBE PARTIALLY MITIGATES THAT EXISTING VARIANCE ON THE DRIVEWAY STACKING AND IT MAY BE ONE THAT FULLY MITIGATES IT, SO THEY MAY ASK FOR THAT.

I THINK MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT, BUT WE COULD PROPOSE A RECOMMENDATION THAT INCLUDES THE VARIANCE TONIGHT, BUT JUST UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION AND COUNCIL COULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, SO I WOULD HAVE ALTERNATIVE PLANS READY TO PRESENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? GOOD?

>> I'M SUPPORTIVE OF BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOT SO SUPPORTIVE OF THE VARIANCE FOR THE STACKING THOUGH, ALONG SPRINGERS.

>> WELL, IF THERE'S ENOUGH CONCERNS, WE DON'T HAVE TO INCLUDE IT AT ALL.

I'LL GO DOWN THE DAIS.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE ADDING CAPACITY FOR PARKING BEHIND SO THEY CAN REMOVE PARKING THAT'S CLOSER TO THE STREET TO ALLOW FOR STACKING.

>> BUT THE STACKING HAS TO DO WITH THE CLOSEST PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE THERE, SO THOSE FIRST ONES THAT ARE COMING IN NEED TO BE ELIMINATED.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU'RE ADDING CAPACITY ON THE NORTH SIDE SO YOU COULD THEORETICALLY REMOVE THOSE.

>> NO REASON NOT TO GET RID OF THOSE SPOTS AND INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE DRIVEWAY, MAKE EGRESS AND INGRESS MUCH EASIER FOR EVERYBODY.

>> YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND PROPOSE ONE THAT DOES NOT GRANT THE VARIANCE, I GUESS, IF THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S CONSENSUS HERE.

LIKE I TRIED TO OUTLINE, THAT IS REALLY THE EXTENT OF OUR LATITUDE HERE WITH THIS BODY IN TERMS OF EITHER GRANTING OR NOT GRANTING THAT VARIANCE, OTHERWISE, IT'S GOT THE LAND USE, IT'S GOT THE ZONING, IT'S GOT NO OTHER SITE PLAN VARIANCES, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, MAYBE NOT PERFECTLY, I'D ASK YOU MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AGAIN.

BEYOND THAT, I GUESS I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH TO ADD.

>> THAT'LL HELP WITH CIRCULATION, TWO POINTS.

>> THAT WOULD BE ALL OF THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 6 ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING,

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WHICH IS CASE NUMBER ZA 24-0011, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 8TH, 2024, AND SUBJECT TO THE PLAN REVIEW, SUMMARY NUMBER 2 REVISED AUGUST 8TH, 2024, NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT WILL CONSIDER WIDENING THE WIDTH OF THE INGRESS AND EGRESS POINT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND CONSIDER RELOCATING THE DUMPSTER LOCATION TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY CLOSER TO THE COMMERCIAL AND AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, AND NOTING THAT WE ARE DENYING THE VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THE STACKING DEPTH.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION.

LOOKS LIKE I'M GETTING A HEAD NOD, SO I'M GOING TO ASSUME YES.

WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE. PASSES 5-0.

AGAIN, WITH THOSE STIPULATIONS AND JUST FOR YOUR AWARENESS, THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER WILL BE AUGUST 20TH, THAT'LL BE THE NEXT ONE IF THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO MAKE THAT MEETING, BUT IN THE INTERIM, YOU'RE WELCOME TO MEET WITH STAFF AND PLEASE MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS, AND THERE'LL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING THEN AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING.

WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 7 ON OUR AGENDA,

[7. Consider: ZA24-0029, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for 920 S. Carroll Ave., on property described as Tract 6A01, Obediah W. Knight Survey, Abstract 899, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and Tract 1A05C, J.W. Hale Survey Abstract 803, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 920 S. Carroll Ave. and 924 S. Carroll Ave. Current Zoning: “AG” Agricultural District and “RPUD” Residential Planned Unit Development. Requested Zoning: “SF30” Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #9. PUBLIC HEARING ]

WHICH IS A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 920 SOUTH CARROLL AVENUE.

THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WE HEARD IN OUR WORK SESSION AS WELL.

NOT A LOT OF MOVING PIECES TO THIS ONE, SO I GUESS I'D ASK STAFF TO GIVE US THE ABBREVIATED VERSION OF IT.

>> SURE. THIS IS 920, SOUTH CARROLL.

THE LAND USE IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THE EXISTING ZONING IS AG, AND THEN THIS LITTLE SLIVER RIGHT HERE IS RPUD, IT'S A REMNANT FROM THE VERSAILLES NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY ARE REQUESTING SF-30 ZONING.

THIS IS THEIR CONCEPT PLAN.

THE WHOLE REASON THAT THEY'RE COMING FORWARD IS TO DEMO THE EXISTING HOUSE AND BUILD A NEW HOUSE.

>> I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME DEDICATION OF SOME RIGHT AWAY ON THIS.

>> YES.

>> THE FUTURE SIDEWALK.

I THINK IT SOUNDED LIKE STAFF'S PREFERENCE WOULD BE MAYBE FOR THE APPLICANT TO ESCROW SIDEWALK FUNDS RATHER THAN IT BE BUILT RIGHT NOW GIVEN THAT'S STILL NOT A FINAL IMPROVED SECTION OF CARROLL THAT, ONE DAY, IF EXPANDED AND IMPROVE, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BETTER TIME TO BUILD IT, BECAUSE IT IS NOT A SIDEWALK ON EITHER SIDE.

>> CORRECT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THIS ITEM? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I GUESS I'M ASSUMING MAYBE BY HEAD NOD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER THE APPLICANT WILL BE FINE ESCROWING THE SIDEWALK FUNDS, RATHER THAN BUILDING IT TODAY.

>> I HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT MIGHT HELP FOR TODAY.

>> WELL, WHY DON'T WE DO THE MOTION JUST WITH AN ESCROW, AND YOU CAN TALK IT THROUGH A STAFF, AND IF YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION YOU'RE STRONG ABOUT AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, YOU CAN ADVOCATE FOR IT.

DOES THAT SOUND FINE? I GUESS. TONIGHT WON'T BE A FINAL.

STAFF CAN TELL YOU THE PROS AND CONS THAT THEY WALKED US IN TERMS OF IF IT WAS BUILT TODAY, IT WOULDN'T REALLY CONNECT ANYTHING, AND LIKELY WHEN THE ROAD GETS EXPANDED, IT'LL GET DAMAGED SIGNIFICANTLY.

TRYING TO MAYBE JUST BUILD IT ONCE RATHER THAN TWICE.

BUT IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN COME UP AND COMMENT AT THE DAIS IF YOU WANT, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING TO YOU FROM THE GALLERY.

IF YOU WANT, GO AHEAD AND COME UP HERE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND THAT WAY SHE CAN GET ALL THE COMMENTS ON THE RECORD, WHICH IS WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING INSTEAD OF WINGING IT.

DO YOU MIND STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?

>> MY NAME IS BONNIE HENNAM.

>> ADDRESS?

>> WELL, 920 SOUTH CARROLL.

>> PERFECT.

>> IT'S NEW. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD IS AFTER WE HAD SUBMITTED THIS, I REALIZED THERE WASN'T A CIRCLE DRIVE INDICATED ON THE PLAN, AND SO I THINK THEY PUT THAT IN THE NOTES.

BUT REALLY, THE ONLY WAY TO EASILY GET IN AND OUT OF THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE WITH A CIRCLE DRIVE, AND CURRENTLY THERE IS A GRAVEL CIRCLE DRIVE.

I JUST WANT TO GET AHEAD OF IT AND MAKE SURE THAT A CIRCLE DRIVE AS LONG AS WE MEET THE 100 FOOT REQUIREMENT WILL BE ALLOWED.

>> STAFF, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT AFTER THIS EVENING THAT, I GUESS, YOU GUYS BEFORE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING CAN [INAUDIBLE]

>> THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS WITH THE APPLICANT FOLLOWING THIS HEARING WITH THAT NOTATION AND TRY TO ADDRESS THAT GOING TO CITY COUNCIL.

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THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS ON THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE ON CIRCLE DRIVES FOR A SINGLE LOT WHEN IT IS ON A COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL DRIVE, AND SO WE WOULD NEED YOUR PLAN UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT, AND THEN WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE REVIEW SUMMARY SO THAT COUNCIL COULD ADDRESS IT.

HISTORICALLY WHERE WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS LIKE THIS ON AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROAD, IF IT PROVIDED FOR A MUCH SAFER MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC, IT'S GENERALLY BEEN PERMITTED.

BUT IF IT'S GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.

IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THE COMMISSION HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT COULD ADDRESS IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION MOVING FORWARD.

>> I JUST CAN ASK THE APPLICANT REAL QUICKLY, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THIS PROPERTY HAVING ANY KIND OF LIKE A FRONT DRIVEWAY GATE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

>> IT WOULD BE GATE.

>> HERE'S WHAT WE'LL NEED, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THE HOMES ON THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF CARROLL AND DOVE, WHEN WE DID THOSE ALONG A BUSY ROAD, IS WE INCORPORATED A DRIVEWAY CIRCLE OR SOME PLACE FOR CARS TO CONGREGATE BECAUSE CLEARLY ON CARROLL IS NOT A GOOD PLACE.

BUT THEN WE ALSO PUSHED THE GATE BACK, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO ANTICIPATE THE AMAZON VANS OF THE WORLD THAT NEED ENOUGH ROOM IN FRONT OF A GATE, SO THE GATE WILL HAVE TO BE PUSHED BACK TO BE ABLE TO PULL UP AND GET OUT OF CARROLL, SO IT DOESN'T BLOCK UP THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND IN SOME OF THESE OTHER HOMES THAT HAVE BUILT TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET, SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP TRAFFIC CLEAR IN THAT REGARD TOO.

I GUESS, STAFF, WOULD IT BE EASIER TO PASS IT ALONG THIS EVENING WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS IS EVALUATED, OR SHOULD WE MAYBE TABLE IT?

>> I THINK IT'S WITHIN YOUR ABILITY TO MOVE IT FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT BE ADDRESSED, OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW BEFORE MOVING TO COUNCIL, YOU COULD ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO TABLE IT AND BRING THAT BACK.

>> YOU HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THAT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER?

>> IF TABLING IT SLOWS IT DOWN, I DON'T WANT TO TABLE IT.

>> I'D BE FINE MOVING ALONG GIVEN IT'S A SIMPLE REQUEST, BUT WE DESCRIBED THE PARAMETERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, INCLUDING THOSE HOUSES AT CARROLL AND DOVE THAT WE DID A LOT OF WORK ON THAT HAVE THOSE CHARACTERISTICS IN TERMS OF ANY GATE WOULD BE SET BACK FROM THE ROAD WITH ENOUGH SPACING TO ALLOW SOME DELIVERY TRUCK TO PULL IN AND GET OUT OF THE WAY.

TYPICALLY, WE'VE ALSO ASKED FOR ANY FENCING UP FRONT TO BE WROUGHT IRON AND NOT JUST A BIG HUGE MASONRY UGLY WALL IN FRONT OF A HOUSE, SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING I'D ASK ABOUT.

THEN JUST LOOKING AT THE CIRCULAR DRIVES, AND IT COULD BE AN INTERIOR WHERE YOU PULL IN AND THEN IT'S CIRCULAR VERSUS HAVING TWO DIFFERENT DRIVEWAYS.

THAT'S WHAT STAFF'S GOING TO HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON IN TERMS OF DRIVEWAY SPACING AND WHAT ACCESS POINTS ALONG CARROLL ARE ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED.

THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL HAVE TO JUST DIG IN AND SEE WHAT'S EASIER OR NOT, AND THEN THEY CAN ADVISE YOU.

IS THAT FAIR?

>> YES, WE CAN.

>> THAT WOULD BE MAYBE MY PROPOSAL JUST TO KEEP THINGS A LITTLE BIT OFF THE STREET.

>> THAT'S ALSO A BIG STACKING AREA FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TRAFFIC TOO.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

>> THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON I GOT THE TWO ENTRANCES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ALL THE CARS STOP TWO TIMES OUT OF THE DAY, SO IT AFFORDS US TWO OPTIONS TO EXIT OUR HOME.

>> I DEFINITELY GET IT.

I GUESS I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO STAFF ON JUST WHERE THOSE ACCESS POINTS CAN BE, BUT CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND THAT REQUEST.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? APPLICANT, ANYBODY NEED ANYTHING? EVERYBODY GOOD? IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ITEM NUMBER 7 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ARE YOU ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT IN A MOTION IN TERMS OF ANY FENCING SETBACK, WROUGHT IRON ON THE FENCING, CONSIDERING A CIRCULAR DRIVE, IF FEASIBLE, TALKING WITH STAFF AND USING THOSE HOMES THAT ARE ON THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF CARROLL AND DOVE AS AN EXAMPLE, WHICH I THINK THEY'RE ABOUT AROUND A ONE ACRE LOT SIZE TOO,

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SO I THINK IT'S ABOUT THE SAME THING.

>> CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

>> YES.

>> JUST THIS FOR STAFF, I GUESS, DENNIS.

THE SIDEWALK IS GOING TO BE ON THEIR PROPERTY, IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THEY'RE DEDICATING.

THEY DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF AWAY AND THEN THEY STILL WOULD PUT A SIDEWALK ON THEIR REMAINING PROPERTY?

>> THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS EASEMENT FOR IT.

THEY COULD DO THAT IF THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION TO CONSTRUCT IT, YES.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ARE YOU READY?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 7 ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER ZA 24-0029, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 2ND, 2024, AND SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 1.

THE APPLICANT IS CONSIDERING REPLACING THE DRIVE WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGN, MEANING A CIRCLE DRIVE WITH A GATE, AND TO CONSIDER THAT DURING THAT REVIEW PRIOR TO GOING TO COUNCIL, THAT THEY'LL CONSIDER THE SETBACKS RELATED TO HAVING A GATE AND THAT IT WILL INCLUDE THE WROUGHT IRON MATERIAL DESIGNS THAT ARE EXPECTED IN THAT SETUP.

>> THEN BEFORE COUNCIL, THEY'LL DETERMINE WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE SIDEWALK, WHETHER IT'S INSTALLED OR THE DOLLARS ARE ESCROWED FOR FUTURE INSTALLATION.

>> I JUST AMEND THAT TO SAY THE WROUGHT IRON, IT'S ONLY ON THE STREET-FACING SIDE OF THE LOT, NOT ON THE SIDES OR BACK[OVERLAPPING].

>> TO BE CLEAR, THE WROUGHT IRON SHOULD BE ON THE STREET-FACING SIDE.

>> WITH THOSE HOMES AT DOVE AND CARROLL AS THE TEMPLATE.

I THINK WE'VE GOT A GOOD MOTION.

I'M GETTING A HEAD NOD, SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT POTENTIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AUGUST 20.

IF YOU MAKE IT, STAFF CAN LET YOU KNOW THAT.

THEY'RE BETTER AT THIS THAN ME, BUT I THINK ANY REVISED MATERIALS BY MID-NEXT WEEK, I GUESS.

THE DEADLINE WILL COME UP PRETTY QUICK, SO I'D JUMP ON IT.

>> CORRECT. YES, WE'LL COMMUNICATE WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT.

>> PERFECT. THANK YOU.

[8. Consider: ZA24-0030, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for Dakota’s Southake on property described as Tract 5B02, Samuel Freeman Survey Abstract 525, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 479 N. Kimball Ave. Current Zoning: “AG” Agricultural District Requested Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #4 PUBLIC HEARING ]

WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 8 ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS ZONING CHANGE CONCEPT PLAN FOR DAKOTA'S STEAKHOUSE.

YOU CAN TELL WE WERE OFF FOR TWO MONTHS[LAUGHTER] I KEEP TRYING TO MOW THROUGH THIS.

>> THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO ZONE THIS PROPERTY TO SP2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT, ALONG WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE DAKOTA'S RESTAURANT, AS WELL AS A EVENT CENTER FOR RECEPTION AND BANQUET HALL TYPE USE.

PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 479 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE.

THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PROPERTY.

THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS PROPERTY IS MIXED USE, AND CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL.

PROPOSED ZONING IS SP2 WITH C3 REGULATIONS, AND TO PERMIT A RESTAURANT AND EVENT RECEPTION CENTER.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT.

NEAR THE FRONT EDGE IS ROUGHLY 8,100 SQUARE FOOT SITE FOR EVENT CENTER.

IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE IS PROPOSED THE RESTAURANT PAD SITE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 8,100 SQUARE FEET.

THIS IS THE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN.

THE PRESERVATION OF THE EXISTING TREE COVER REQUIRES APPROXIMATELY 50% OF THAT COVER UNDER A STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT BE PRESERVED.

THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED ON THEIR PROPOSAL THAT ANYTHING BELOW THE 50% OF PRESERVATION THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE MITIGATION TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL RENDERING OF THE FRONTAGE AND ENTRY INTO THE SITE.

THIS IS FROM KIMBALL, AND THESE ARE RENDERINGS OF THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT SITE.

IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AS A SUBGRADE FACILITY WITH MOOD SETTING, OUTDOOR-INDOOR SPACE.

THIS IS AERIAL RENDERING VIEW OF

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THE SITE EVENT CENTER LOCATED IN THIS VICINITY IN THE RESTAURANT IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.

THIS IS THE VIEW LOOKING BACK TOWARDS 114.

THIS IS AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE LOOKING EAST ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF KIMBALL.

WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.

I MIGHT POINT OUT BACK ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, THERE IS A VARIANCE FOR DRIVEWAY SPACING DUE TO EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS A MULTI-USE COMMERCIAL DRIVE, AND THEN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY TO THE NORTH.

THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED IN THEIR NOTATION ON THE PLAN THAT THEY WOULD ACCOMMODATE FOR A FUTURE ACCESS EASEMENT THAT COULD PROVIDE SOME CROSS ACCESS WITHOUT HAVING TO GET ON AND OFF KIMBALL AS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THEM DEVELOPS.

THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL CONNECTION POINT THERE TO PROVIDE, ONCE AGAIN, SOME ADDITIONAL CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN THE SITES.

ALSO, MAKING NOTE THAT UNDER THIS SP2 ZONING, WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN BEING A CONTROLLING PLAN DOCUMENT, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR FINAL DESIGN OF EITHER OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE SITE CONSTRUCTION.

ONE OF THE REASONINGS BEHIND THE CONCEPT PLAN PROPOSAL WAS TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY AS THEY COMPLETED INTERIOR DESIGN OF THE BUILDING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN THAT FOOTPRINT WITH A MORE FINAL DETAIL.

THE THRESHOLD ANALYSIS THAT WAS PROVIDED ADDRESSING TRAFFIC DID SLIGHTLY EXCEED ONE OF THE THRESHOLD CRITERIA, WHICH INDICATED A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS NEEDED.

AS PART OF THIS, THEY'RE REQUESTING DEFERRAL OF THAT UNTIL THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL, AND THEY WOULD MAKE ANY DESIGN ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED BY THAT STUDY.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> LET ME SEE, YOU TOUCHED ON THIS, BUT I GUESS JUST MAYBE EMPHASIZE AGAIN.

I GUESS THE LAND MIXED USE, SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THAT UNDERLYING LAND USE WOULD IMPLY, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. JUST ONE ADJACENCY NOTE IS IN THIS AREA, THE ADJOINING PROPERTY HAS A RETAIL RESTAURANT OVERLAY LAND USE, WHICH ALTHOUGH THIS IS NOT TECHNICALLY INCLUDED IN THAT OVERLAY, WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THAT POTENTIAL OPTIONAL LAND USE AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

I THINK I SEE THE APPLICANT THERE IN THE BACK ROW, SO I'LL INVITE HIM UP TO THE DAIS OR THE PODIUM HERE.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED A FORMAL PRESENTATION, BUT HAPPY TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON.

I KNOW YOU PRESENTED THIS AT CORRIDOR MEETING AND I KNOW A FEW OF US HAVE HEARD IT.

>> MY NAME IS TIM MACARENE.

I'M AT 4317 LARCHMONT, UNIVERSITY PARK OVER IN DALLAS, TEXAS.

>> THANK YOU. CAN YOU ANYTHING, MAYBE SINCE CORRIDOR MEETING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO MENTION, I KNOW AT CORRIDOR MEETING, THERE WERE A FEW DIFFERENT PLANS AND I GUESS JUST MAYBE TALK THROUGH HOW YOU COALESCED ON THIS ONE?

>> THERE'LL BE SOME DIFFERENT ITERATIONS ON HOW WE LAY THIS THING OUT.

WE KNOW THAT THE FOOTPRINT OR THE 3.8 ACRES WILL ACCOMMODATE THE NEED.

WE WANT TO ADDRESS.

WE THINK IT'S A HOME RUN PUTTING THE EVENT SPACE TIED TO THE RESTAURANT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A FIVE STAR PRODUCT PUT OVER HERE.

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YOU HEAR ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT MICHELIN STAR RESTAURANTS OR WHATNOT, WE'RE NOT AFTER THAT, BUT IT'S COMING TO TEXAS.

WE DON'T PROFESS TO HAVE SOMETHING TO THAT DEGREE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO MEET OR EXCEED ANYTHING THAT'S IN SOUTHLAKE RIGHT NOW WHEN WE BRING THIS IN, PROVIDED WE CAN COME TO AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND GET THE ZONING OBVIOUSLY FIGURED OUT.

WE PUT EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ONTO THE SITE.

WE WORKED ON IT NOW SINCE FEBRUARY, AND WE'VE GOT A GREAT DESIGN TEAM UP IN CHICAGO, DMAC ARCHITECTURE, AND DWAYNE'S BEEN DOWN HERE WITH US.

WE'VE TOURED THE SITES AND LOOKED AT SOUTHLAKE TO TIE THIS ARCHITECTURE INTO WHAT COMMUNITY EMBRACES.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SPACESHIP THAT'S JUST GOING TO LAND, IT'S GOING TO BE AN EYESORE.

IT'S GOING TO BLEND WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO EVERYBODY.

WE WANT TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE BACK SIDE.

I THINK THE BIGGEST OPPOSITION ON ANYBODY THAT'S LOOKED AT THIS OR SAID ANYTHING WAS, WELL, WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO TRAFFIC WISE? BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM 5:00 PM TO 11:00 P.M. AT NIGHT.

THE EVENT SPACE WOULD OBVIOUSLY SKEW THAT SUM AND POSSIBLY BE IN THE DAYTIME AND THE WEEKENDS, BUT I JUST CAME AND EXITED 114 ON TO KIMBALL, AND THAT FIRST EXIT COMING OVER FROM DALLAS, AND IT WASN'T PAINFUL OR DIFFICULT.

IT'S WORSE GOING BACK INTO DALLAS AND LOSING THE EXPRESS LANE AND WAITING TO GET ALL THE WAY UP TO INWOOD OR WHEREVER WHEN YOU'RE OVER THERE, BUT THIS WAS VERY SWIFT TO GET UP TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND WHATNOT, IN RUSH HOUR AT 5 O'CLOCK.

WE DON'T ANTICIPATE TO IMPACT THAT AREA BASED ON THE TIME FRAME WE'RE GOING TO BE OPEN.

WE WON'T BE OPEN FOR LUNCH. IT'LL BE AT DINNER ONLY.

>> IT'S 22 YEARS HERE DRIVING THAT.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRY IT AROUND 5:00 P.M.

IT CAN HAVE SOME HAIR[OVERLAPPING].

>> WELL, IT WAS PAINFUL COMING OVER ON 1709 WHEN I CUT OVER.

>> [INAUDIBLE] REMINDING ME OF THAT. NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I GUESS FOR ME, I THINK [INAUDIBLE] THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE A LATER PART OF THE PROCESS, A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC, I THINK IT'D BE COMING FROM THE SOUTH, AND WILL HAVE AN EASY TURN IN ON KIMBALL.

I THINK IT'S JUST WHEN THE TRAFFIC LEAVES KIMBALL AND HAS TO GO NORTH AND YOU TURN.

>> WELL, I THINK IT'D BE BENEFICIAL WHERE THE LAND DEVELOPS AROUND US, AND IT'S A SLIVER RUNNING THROUGH THERE BETWEEN THAT GAS STATION AND US.

BUT TO HAVE THAT RELIEF COMING OFF THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] UP THERE[OVERLAPPING].

>> CAN THE STAFF MAN TURNING TO THAT SLIDE.

WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK WAS MAYBE NOT CONDITIONING ON THIS.

BY THE WAY, THAT MOUSE UP THERE, YOU CAN USE IT AS A POINTER.

>> [OVERLAPPING] I THINK IF WE CAN SOMEHOW GET SOME RELIEF IN HERE OR EVEN ON THE BACKSIDE SOMEWHERE IN THIS PLOT FROM HERE TO HERE.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET BACK OVER AROUND KIMBALL, WE WOULD PREFER TO GET BACK OUT HERE ON THAT ACCESS ROAD, BUT IT COULD BE A STEAM RELEASE AND GET TRAFFIC OUT OF THERE.

WE DID DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, NOT A FULL BLOWN ONE, BUT WE HAD [INAUDIBLE] OR WHATEVER OUT OF HOUSTON.

THEY WERE ANTICIPATING ABOUT 50 CARS AN HOUR IN AND OUT, AND THAT CAR COUNTS AREN'T GOING TO START AT FIVE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE COMING IN.

IT'S GENERALLY WHERE WE KNOW THAT WE'RE AN HOUR AND A HALF TO TWO-HOUR EXPERIENCE.

IT'S 6:30-7:00 BEFORE WE GET RELEASE OUT OF THAT AREA ONTO THE COMMUNITY.

>> WELL, THE OTHER THING, FROM AN EGRESS STANDPOINT, YOU'RE GOING TO GO NORTH ON KIMBALL, AND THEN YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO A U-TURN.

YOU GO LEFT INTO THAT PROJECT AND DOWN AND OUT TOO.

>> CORRECT.

>> THAT'S HELPFUL.

>> WE LOOKED AT IT, WE LIKE THIS SITE.

THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OUT HERE.

WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED OTHER STUFF, AND WE KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS SITE WORK TO POTENTIALLY DEVELOP IT.

>> I THINK IT'S GREAT. I THINK THE MEETING SPACE IS REALLY NICE FOR THIS AREA.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE UNBELIEVABLE EVENT SPACE, PUTTING THAT OUT THERE AND GIVING IT SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST A HOTEL BALLROOM.

I WAS A HOTEL GUY FOR 25 YEARS, AND WHAT PEOPLE WANT IS THEY WANT TO COME TO A SPACE LIKE A RESTAURANT OR THE SPACE THAT WE'LL DO.

THAT'S NOT JUST A BALLROOM,

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THAT'S FOUR WALLS THAT GO UP, AND THEN THEY'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM FEATURES AND AMBIANCE THAT THEY AREN'T GOING TO GET IN A HOTEL.

WE DON'T REALLY SEE TOO MUCH OF THAT GOING ON BETWEEN HERE AND [INAUDIBLE] I THINK IT'S GOING TO GET PEOPLE ON THE COMMUNITY.

WE'LL PROBABLY GET IRVING COMING OVER HERE AND GRAPEVINE WANTING TO BE IN THAT SPACE.

>> FLOWER MOUND AND [INAUDIBLE]

>> ALL OF IT.

>> WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION START BEING AND WHEN YOU'LL OPEN?

>> WELL, IT'S NEGOTIATED RIGHT NOW TO LET THE LAND OWNER, AND HE'S BEEN THERE FOR 70 SOMETHING YEARS.

HE'S THERE TILL MARCH.

WE'VE GRACIOUSLY ALLOWED HIM TO STAY AT NO ADDITIONAL EXPENSE.

IT'LL GIVE US TIME TO HASH THROUGH THE FINAL DESIGN AND WHATNOT, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

WE'LL GET THROUGH SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND HOPEFULLY BE OFF AND RUNNING.

TURN IN FULL SETS OF PLANS SOMEWHERE IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH.

PROVIDED THE TIMELINE., I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE PADS POURED ON BOTH BUILDINGS PRIOR TO THE SUMMER, SO THAT CONCRETE CURES, IT'S GOOD, IT'S HARD AND EVERYTHING'S DONE AND GET THAT INFRASTRUCTURE DONE.

THEN WE CAN COOK ALONG.

IDEALLY, WHEN WOULD IT OPEN, PROBABLY MARCH, 2026.

>> BE HERE BEFORE WE ALL KNOW IT.

>> QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION AND THIS MAY BE PREMATURE NOW, BUT I NOTICED THAT WITH THE EVENT CENTER, YOU'VE GOT IT SET BACK 44 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE EAST SIDE THERE.

BUT CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO TO TRY TO MITIGATE ANY NOISE ALL THAT TYPE OF THINGS, OR IS IT LITTLE TOO PREMATURE TO DISCUSS THAT?

>> I OPERATED, I THINK I SAID AT A MEETING AND I MAY BE REDUNDANT.

WE WERE AT THE OTHER ONES, BUT I DID HAVE A HOTEL IN UNIVERSITY PARK CALLED THE LUMEN AND IT BACKED UP AGAINST PARK CITY'S RESIDENTS, AND THEY WERE AS TEMPERAMENTAL AS ANYBODY COULD POSSIBLY BE ABOUT NOISE.

MY ENVISION, WORKING WITH THE ARCHITECTS IS TO PUT SOME TYPE WALL UP AROUND THIS THING, WE CALL IT THE GREAT WALL, SOUTHLAKE OR WHATEVER, BUT LANDSCAPING IT.

I THINK IF WE REALLY HOLD TO THE EVENT SPACE BEING UP IN THE FRONT, UP HERE, ALL THIS PROPERTY, ALL THESE LANDOWNERS ARE BACK OVER HERE, I BELIEVE.

EVERYBODY'S BACK OVER HERE, SO IT'S GOING TO INSULATE ITSELF A LOT HERE.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY NOISE FROM A RESTAURANT.

WE'RE NOT PLAYING LIVE MUSIC OR ANYTHING.

WE HAVE TYPICALLY A PIANIST THAT IS PLAYING TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DINING.

YOU DON'T HEAR NOISE.

LISTEN, WE'LL BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT HOW THE EVENTS ARE AND WHAT'S OUTSIDE AND WHAT YOU CAN HEAR.

WE'VE DONE SOUND STUDIES AND EVERYTHING ON DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE, DECIPEL LEVELS ON WHAT'S OUT THERE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET PEOPLE BOOK EVENT SPACE AND HAVE A LIVE BAND OUTSIDE. THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK. THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER 8 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, DOES CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING TO ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

SEEING NO ONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WANT TO LEAD OFF WITH ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS OR?

>> I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. VERY GOOD.

>> WELL, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE LAND USE THERE AND IT IS A BIT ISOLATED.

I LIKE HAVING THE EVENTS CENTER IN THE FRONT.

AS A GENTLEMAN SAID, SO THAT TAKES IT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND THEY'LL BE PARTIALLY SHIELDED EVEN WITH THE RESTAURANT AND THE LANDSCAPE THAT'S BACK THERE. I THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF.

>> I THINK OBVIOUSLY IS JUST A CONCEPT PLAN, AND I THINK IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS RIGHT WITH STAFF, A SITE PLAN WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH ONCE THINGS ARE FINALIZED, AND THAT WILL INCORPORATE WITHIN IT THE TRAFFIC STUDY ANY NEEDS THAT THAT CREATES OR NOT.

I THINK IT'S LIKE THE APPLICANT ALLUDED TO, MORE TIME FOR THEM TO SETTLE ON AN EXACT SITE PLAN, SEE IF THEY CAN MAYBE GAIN FURTHER ACCESS POINTS THAN THEY HAVE

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TODAY TO TRY TO JUST HELP MITIGATE THAT AND ACCOUNT FOR IT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WOULD FOCUS ON, OTHERWISE, IT OBVIOUSLY MATCHES THE LAND USE PLAN, WHAT THAT CALLS FOR THE SITE.

IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. ANYTHING ELSE? READY TO SET A MOTION?

>> DENNIS, PROCEDURALLY, DO I NEED TO MAKE A CALL OUT TO THE VARIANCE ON THE DRIVEWAYS AND THEN PARTICULARLY TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DEFERRING TO THE SITE PLAN?

>> YES.

>> GOOD CATCH. COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS IS STEPPING IN THIS EVENING.

OUR VICE CHAIR IS OUT TONIGHT, SO HE'S DONE A GOOD JOB OF MOTION SO FAR.

TRYING TO KEEP IT GOING.

>> WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 8 ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER ZA24-0030, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 2, 2024, AND SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED AUGUST 2, 2024.

GRANTING THE VARIANCE FOR THE DRIVEWAY SPACING, AS WELL AS THE DEFERRAL OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS UNTIL SITE PLAN APPROVAL IS MET.

>> A MOTION?

>> SECOND.

>> LOOKS LIKE WE GOT A SECOND.

VOTE, PLEASE. PASS IS VIABLE.

CONGRATULATIONS, AND GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING ASSUMING YOU MAKE IT ON AUGUST 20TH.

THANKS FOR COMING OUT. NOW,

[9. Consider: ZA24-0031, Zoning Change and Site Plan on property described as GMI Southlake Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 350-380 S. Nolen Dr. Current Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. Requested Zoning: “S-P-2” General Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING ]

WE'LL GO TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, ITEM 9, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS GMI, SOUTHLAKE ADDITION.

>> YES, THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN REQUEST.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO ALLOW A BEAUTY SALON OR WELLNESS SPA AS A PERMITTED USE AT THIS LOCATION.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED USE.

THE ZONING IS SP2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY OTHER ALTERATIONS TO THE SITE.

THEY'RE JUST SIMPLY ASKING TO ALLOW A WELLNESS BEAUTY SALON ON THIS SITE.

THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING WEST FROM SOUTH NOLEN DRIVE, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED NO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES.

>> A QUICK QUESTION.

I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD.

>> SINCE IT'S A ZONING CHANGE, THIS IS CONNECTED TO THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH OF IT.

DOES IT CHANGE THE ZONING FOR ALL OF THAT OR JUST THIS PIECE OF THE BUILDING?

>> THEY'RE SPECIFYING [OVERLAPPING] THAT ONLY THIS AREA IS WHERE THE USE WOULD BE PERMITTED, BUT THE ZONING DISTRICT IS THIS ENTIRE BOUNDARY.

>> IT'S AMENDING IT TO THE WHOLE DISTRICT?

>> YES.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THAT?

>> I'M ASSUMING A WELLNESS SPA MEANS LIKE MASSAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> IT COULD, YES.

>> THEN LIKE A CONVENTIONAL NAIL SALON, HAIR SALON TYPE THING?

>> YES.

>> AN ALL PURPOSE STOP?

>> YES.

>> VERY GOOD.

>> GO AHEAD. COME ON. NO. I'M NOT GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR COMMENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT REGARDING THE APPLICATION? THANK YOU.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD IF YOU'RE GOOD.

ITEM NUMBER 9 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? GO AHEAD. COME ON.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND SIMILAR TO THE LAST SPEAKER, TRY TO DO YOUR BEST TO KEEP TO AROUND THREE MINUTES IN ALL THE ITEMS, BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE.

>> [INAUDIBLE]. ADDRESS IS 2449 CROOKED LANE, SOUTHLAKE.

I'M RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

THE REASON WHY I CAME HERE IS WHEN INITIALLY THEY WERE GETTING THIS PLAN TWO YEARS AGO, THE IDEA WAS TO GET A RIGHT DRAINAGE PLAN, BUT THE DRAINAGE PLAN IS NOT THERE ACCORDING, AND I'M STILL GETTING A LOT OF WASH OUT OF THE WATER.

I CAN SHOW THE VIDEOS FOR THAT, BUT I'M GETTING A LOT OF WATER OUT OF THAT PROPERTY.

WE DID RAISE THE QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT, BUT THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THEM.

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I CAN SHOW YOU THE VIDEOS.

THE WHOLE WATER FROM THAT PROPERTY COMES TO MY PROPERTY AND MY NEIGHBORS TOO.

>> MAYBE WHAT I WOULD ADVISE IS MAYBE OFFLINE MEETING WITH CITY STAFF ABOUT THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THEY CAN HELP WITH ON THAT.

I KNOW TONIGHT, OUR ONLY ITEM THAT WE CAN CONSIDER IS WHICH USE WE'RE ALLOWING IN THE CENTER OR NOT.

IT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO DRAINAGE PER SE.

THERE'S NOT ANYTHING WE CAN DO TONIGHT ABOUT DRAINAGE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF, IF YOU MEET WITH STAFF, THEY CAN WEIGH IN ON THE DRAINAGE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND BUILT OUT IN TERMS OF IF IT WAS BUILT OUT THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED.

IF IT'S FUNCTIONING, THE WAY IT'S INTENDED OR NOT, AND THEY CAN COMMENT ON THAT FOR YOU, IF THAT'S HELPFUL.

THIS IS JUST CAN THEY PUT A SPECIFIC USE IN THERE OR NOT? WE CAN'T REALLY HELP ON DRAINAGE TONIGHT, BUT STAFF CAN HELP WITH THAT.

YOU CAN SET UP A TIME TO MEET WITH STAFF AND THEY CAN SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN ADDRESS ON THAT, MAYBE SOME HELPFUL COMMENTS.

>> COOL. THAT'S FINE.

I CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT.

THE SECOND QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH TRAFFIC DOES THAT GOING TO INCREASE? THAT WAS THE SECOND QUESTION BECAUSE WHEN THE INITIAL PLAN WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE GMI, THE TRAFFIC COUNT WAS DOWN.

NOW THE TRAFFIC HAS GONE UP BECAUSE OF THAT, AND THERE IS ALSO A NEW BUILDING HEADED TOWARDS THE SOUTH OF THE CROOKED LANE CALLED ULET.

THE TRAFFIC HAS GONE CERTAINLY UP ON THE ROAD, AND THERE IS NO TRAFFIC COUNT OR NO STOP SIGN HAS BEEN ADDED.

WHAT'S THE CITY GOING TO DO FOR THAT?

>> WE CAN CALL THE APPLICANT UP AND ASK HIM ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 9 PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN.

SEEING NO ONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER 9.

MAYBE I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO GO AHEAD AND COME UP IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU DON'T MIND, AND MAYBE TRY TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC COMMENT FROM RESIDENT.

>> SURE.

>> TRENT SLAUGHTER, ADDRESS IS 1001 MEROE DRIVE IN SOUTHLAKE.

I THINK WE ESTABLISHED ALREADY, THAT LITTLE AREA THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IS GOING TO HOUSE THE BUSINESS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE DO.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER BUILDINGS.

THERE'S THE LARGE ONE.

>> JUST TO CONFIRM, SO YOU ARE NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER, YOU ARE JUST THE POTENTIAL BUSINESS.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THIS WILL BE OUR LITTLE PIECE HERE.

THIS IS STILL EMPTY.

THIS IS OCCUPIED.

THIS IS OCCUPIED, AND THIS LARGE ONE HERE IS OCCUPIED.

MAYBE SINCE YOU'RE JUST THE BUSINESS OWNER, THAT WOULD BE IN THE SPACE, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU ANTICIPATE IN YOUR SPACE ON AND OFF DURING THE DAY, EACH HOUR, ETC? MAYBE COMMENT ON THAT.

>> WE'LL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO SUPPORT, NOT THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE IN THERE ALL AT THE SAME TIME GETTING SERVICES AT THE SAME TIME, BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT APPROXIMATELY 40 PEOPLE THAT COULD BE IN THERE GETTING SERVICES PRIMARILY HAIR.

>> IF THAT'S THE HIGH NUMBER, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE AVERAGE NUMBER IS?

>> WELL, I WANT TO BE FAIR AND SAY THAT I THINK THAT WE'LL PROBABLY RANGE TOWARDS THE HIGH NUMBER DURING OUR REGULAR HOURS.

I WOULD SAY 30-40 WOULD BE IN THAT RANGE.

>> WHAT ARE REGULAR HOURS?

>> REGULAR HOURS, TYPICALLY, IT'LL START AT ABOUT 9:00, 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, AND USUALLY WE'LL GO UNTIL AROUND 5:00 IN THE EVENING.

>> IS THAT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, SATURDAY?

>> YES.

>> WHAT ABOUT SATURDAY?

>> WE MIGHT HAVE SOME LIMITED PEOPLE WILL BE CLOSED ON SUNDAY.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME PEOPLE THAT COME IN ON SUNDAY BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TENANTS, PEOPLE THAT WORK IN OUR SPACE.

I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE SOME PEOPLE THERE ON SATURDAY, BUT AT A MUCH LOWER RATE THAN DURING THE WEEK.

>> PREDOMINANTLY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE'VE GOT WHAT WE NEED THERE. AGAIN, THIS JUST TO EXPLAIN NOT HAVING THE PROPERTY OWNER IN FRONT OF US.

HE'S NOT REALLY QUALIFIED TO ANSWER SOME OF THE DRAINAGE QUESTIONS.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE MAYBE STAFF CAN GET BETTER ADVICE AND HOPEFULLY SOME RESPONDED OUTREACH TO THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH I GUESS YOU AS THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING.

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MAYBE YOU CAN NOTE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WHEN YOU SPEAK WITH THEM THAT THERE WERE DRAINAGE CONCERNS BROUGHT UP AND THAT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THEM TO BE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING AND RESPOND TO NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH.

THAT'S WHAT WE RECOMMEND BETWEEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AND THE POTENTIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS OUTREACH FROM OWNERSHIP REGARDING DRAINAGE IN AND JUST THE OVERALL TRAFFIC COUNT.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DENNIS.

WHAT WOULD BE USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED UNDER THE ZONING TODAY THAT I1? WHAT OTHER USES WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHOUT HAVING TO COME TO US? SORRY. I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

>> THESE PARTICULAR PROPERTIES HAVE SOME VERY LIMITED I1 AND THEN GENERALLY OFFICE USES.

I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT QUANTITATIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SALON AND AN OFFICE USE, BUT IF YOU TOOK YOUR MOST IMPACTFUL OFFICE USE, WHICH THIS SITE CAN ACCOMMODATE SOME MEDICAL USES, I BELIEVE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY A MUCH HIGHER TRAFFIC IMPACT THAN A SALON IN MOST CASES.

>> THANK YOU.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE CONSIDER A MOTION HERE?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 9 ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER ZA24-0031, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 2, 2024, AND SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED MAY 3, 2024.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> VOTE, PLEASE.

>> PASSES 5-0. GOOD LUCK.

AT THE NEXT SEAT OF COUNCIL MEETING AGAIN, I WOULD REMEMBER THAT GROCERY LIST.

THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, SO IF YOU FORGET SOME OF THAT, JUST GO BACK AND WATCH IT.

BUT I THINK THOSE WILL BE QUESTIONS THAT WILL BE HELPFUL TO BE ANSWERED IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.

SO THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.

[10. Consider: ZA24-0032, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for 303 E. Highland St., on property described at Tract IF, William W. Hall Survey Abstract 687, and located at 303 E. Highland St. Current Zoning: “AG” Agricultural District. Requested Zoning: “SF-20A” Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #7. PUBLIC HEARING ]

ITEM NUMBER 10, WHICH IS A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 303 EAST HIGHLAND STREET.

THIS IS AN ITEM WE HEARD SOME DETAIL ON IT IN OUR WORK SESSION.

IT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

ALTHOUGH I GUESS I'D ASK IF STAFF WANTS TO MAYBE JUST HIT ONE OR TWO QUICK HIGHLIGHTS ON THIS ONE THAT AGAIN WE COVERED IN OUR WORK SESSION.

>> SURE. IT'S A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEMOLISHING THE EXISTING HOME AND BUILDING A LARGER NEW RESIDENCE AT 303 EAST HIGHLAND STREET.

THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THE EXISTING ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.

I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING SF20A.

I THINK THE FIRST PAGE OF THE STAFF REPORT MAY HAVE SAID SF30, BUT IT'S ON THE AGENDA AS SF20A, AND WE ADVERTISED IT AS SF20A.

THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING.

THEN THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN.

HERE'S A VIEW FROM EAST HIGHLAND STREET.

WE'VE RECEIVED NO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS THE APPLICANT HERE ON THIS ITEM? DO WE NEED ANYTHING FROM THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM? DO WE WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE A STRONG, I GUESS, FEELING ABOUT COMING FORWARD OR ARE YOU OKAY? LOOKS LIKE HE'S OKAY IF WE'RE OKAY.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD IF YOU'RE GOOD.

WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA, ZONING CHANGE CONCEPT PLAN FOR 303 EAST HIGHLAND DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? PLEASE, COME FORWARD.

PLEASE, STATE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AGAIN, EVERYONE ELSE, DO YOUR BEST TO STICK TO THREE MINUTES.

>> MIKE SPEEDS, 203 MARIE CIRCLE.

I'M THE HOUSE RIGHT BEHIND IT.

MY ONLY QUESTION IS, HOW HIGH IS THIS HOUSE GOING TO GO? I WOULD NOT RATHER HAVE SOMEBODY STARING INTO MY BACK YARD.

IT'S VERY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE A HOUSE THERE. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT THIS NIGHT.

WE'LL ADDRESS THAT IN A SECOND.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WHILE I HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN ON ITEM 10?

>> IT'S ALREADY BEEN EVOLVED.

>> IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO YELL AT ME, IT'S GOT TO GET ON THE RECORD.

JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND COMMENT.

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>> TYLER BULLOCK, I'M AT 212 MARIE CIRCLE AND HIS NEIGHBOR.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DRAINAGE PROBLEMS FROM THE NEW DAY CHURCH DEVELOPMENT.

WE WERE JUST WONDERING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN RIGHT THERE.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY SHE SHOWED THE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE.

THE LAND IS ALREADY FLAT, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THAT MADE ANY DIFFERENCE OR NOT.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DENNIS, ON THAT ONE, I GUESS I'M ASSUMING THERE'S SOME ORDINANCE LANGUAGE THAT GOVERNS THE HEIGHT WITHIN THIS CATEGORY.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS MEASURED TO THE AVERAGE HEIGHT OF A PITCHED OR HIPPED ROOF, ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THIS FINAL DESIGN WOULD BE, AND THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT PERMITTED IS 35 FEET IN HEIGHT, AND THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF FLOORS IS 2.5 STORIES, WHICH THE HALF STORY IS SIMPLY TYPICALLY BEST DESCRIBED AS A FINISHED OUT ATTIC SPACE.

IT'S A FLOOR AREA ABOVE THE PLATE LINE TYPICALLY THAT'S FINISHED OUT IN AN ATTIC SPACE.

BUT THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM TO LIMITS ON A RESIDENTIAL HOME HEIGHT HERE.

>> THAT'S WITHIN THIS ZONING CATEGORY?

>> CORRECT. THANK YOU.

AGAIN, I'M ASSUMING SIMILAR TO ONE OF THE PREVIOUS CASES THAT AS A NEW HOME IS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD, THAT ANY DRAINAGE PLAN WILL BE BROUGHT THROUGH THE CITY FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

>> CORRECT. THEY WILL NEED TO HAVE A ENGINEERED DESIGN GRADING PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT THERE IS NO ADVERSE IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTY.

>> OKAY. MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN KEEP UP WITH AS IT POTENTIALLY MOVES THROUGH THE PROCESS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND.

I GUESS, SIMILAR TO PAST CASE, I'D ASK THE APPLICANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAYBE REACH OUT WITH ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AND JUST TALK THROUGH CONCERNS AND SEE HOW THAT CAN GET ADDRESSED, PARTICULARLY, IF THIS GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING ON AUGUST 20ST, TO TRY TO GET IN FRONT OF THAT AND MAYBE MEET WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AND JUST SEE IF THERE'S WAYS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS.

MAYBE WE CAN JUST NOTE THAT IN THE RECORD AS WELL.

APPLICANT MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS THAT SPOKE TONIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

>> I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THEY'LL ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR SCREENING.

AT THAT TIME, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR IT, AND YOU CAN VOICE YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT THAT AT THE TIME.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? I THINK WE'RE READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER ZA24-0032, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 2, 2024, NOTING THE EDIT IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT IT IS SF20A, NOT SF30, BUT IT WAS ADVERTISED AND POSTED CORRECTLY.

BUT SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 12, AND NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT WILL MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO ADDRESS DRAINAGE AND HEIGHT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> LET'S GOOD AND VOTE, PLEASE.

PASSES 5-0.

CONGRATULATIONS.

GOOD LUCK IN THE NEXT LEVEL.

AGAIN, SPEAK WITH THE NEIGHBORS, AND HOPEFULLY ADDRESS THE NEIGHBORS.

YOU CAN INTERACT WITH THE CITY, AND THEY CAN TELL YOU WHAT SOME OF THE PROCESS IS BEHIND DRAINAGE AND HEIGHT.

WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12.

[12. Consider: ZA24-0035, Plat Revision for Lot AR2R, Block 1, Burger Addition, being a revision of Lot AR2, Block 1, Burger Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 1355 N. Peytonville Ave., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: “SF-1A” Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #5. PUBLIC HEARING ]

DO WE HAVE OUR APPLICANT HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 12? MAYBE STAFF, I GUESS, IS THIS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT OUR WONDERFUL CROWD IN AUSTIN HAS ALREADY OVERRULED US AND HAS US ON A SHOT CLOCK?

>> THAT IS CORRECT, YES.

IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK, THEY'RE FREE TO DO SO.

JUST REAL QUICKLY, THIS IS A PLAT REVISION BEING PROPOSED FOR WHAT IS CURRENTLY PLATTED AS LOT AR2 IN THE BURGER ADDITION.

THE PROPOSAL IS TO INCLUDE PROPERTY THAT IS A REMNANT

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FROM A RESERVED ROADWAY EASEMENT THAT WAS PLACED BETWEEN THESE TWO TRACKS.

THIS PROPERTY OWNER IS PROPOSING TO INCORPORATE WHAT THEY HAVE DEED TO WITHIN THEIR LOT BOUNDARY.

PROPERTY'S LOW DENSITY ON THE LAND USE PLAN AND SF1A ON THE ZONING MAP.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAT REVISION.

THE CURRENT BOUNDARY OF THE EXISTING PLATTED LOT RUNS ALONG THIS AREA, AND THEY ARE INCORPORATING THIS PORTION OF THE ROADWAY EASEMENT THAT WAS RESERVED AS THIS PROPERTY WAS CONVEYED BY MEETS AND BOUNDS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.

WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOTIFIED.

I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

THANK YOU, DENNIS. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DO NOT HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING.

TYPICALLY, WE WOULD PROBABLY TABLE THE CASE, BUT SINCE THE LEGISLATURE HAS TAKEN THAT ABILITY AWAY FROM US, TIKTOK, YES, I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONSIDER MOVING IT FORWARD.

BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, STAFF, REMIND ME, THIS ITEM DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM TO COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LIKELY MOVE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 12 ON OUR AGENDA, CASE NUMBER ZA24-0035, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 2, 2024, AND SUBJECT TO THE PLAT REVISION REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 1 DATED JULY 24, 2024.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE. PASSES 5-0.

CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR MISSING APPLICANT AND MAY HE HOPEFULLY OR SHE SHOW UP AT CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 20.

WITH THAT, WE MOVE ON TO

[13. Consider: ZA24-0038, Zoning Change and Site Plan for 2813 W Southlake Blvd, on property described at Lot 1R, Block 2, Watermere Addition, and located at 2813 W. Southlake Blvd. Current Zoning: “S-P-1” Detailed Site Plan District. Requested Zoning: “S-P-T Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #11. PUBLIC HEARING]

OUR FINAL ITEM ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, BUT STICK AROUND, THERE'S A SIGN BOARD MEETING IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH EXCITEMENT.

ITEM NUMBER 13, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR 2813 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

>> THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN REQUEST.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO PERMIT A COMMERCIAL SCHOOL, ESSENTIALLY A TUTORING ACADEMY AT 2813 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

I'LL JUST NOTE THAT WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DID ALLOW LIMITED OFFICE AND RETAIL USES.

THE ZONING IS SP1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN OF THE AREA, AND THIS IS THE LOCATION THAT THE TUTORING ACADEMY WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO.

WE'VE RECEIVED NO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? OH, WOW.

ONE OF OUR LEGACY APPLICANTS THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN IN QUITE A WHILE.

GLAD HE REMEMBERED HIS WAY UP TO THE STAND HERE.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> I'M SKIP BLAKE, BLAKE ARCHITECTS.

I'M LOCATED AT 1202 SOUTHLAKE CHAPEL FOR MAYBE 30 YEARS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

I'M GOING TO ADMIT I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THIS DEAL.

NUMBER 1, IT'S REALLY NOT AN ACADEMY THAT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE IT'S GOING TO HAVE OR A SCHOOL.

IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE IT'S GOING TO HAVE 40 KIDS OR SOMETHING THERE.

WE'RE TALKING 10 KIDS MAX.

IT'S A 1,500 SQUARE FOOT LEASE SPACE.

THEIR HOURS ARE GOING TO BE, OOPS, THE PHONE TURN.

THEIR HOURS ARE THURSDAY 4:00-7:00, FRIDAY 9:00-6:00, MONDAY 4:00-7:00, TUESDAY 4:00-7:00, WEDNESDAY 4:00-7:00, AND THEY'RE CLOSED SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.

AGAIN, IT'S A TUTORING CENTER THAT'S GOING TO HAVE AROUND MAX 10 KIDS IN IT.

AFTER SCHOOL, OBVIOUSLY, HELP WITH KIDS.

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PROFESSIONAL TEACHERS WILL BE DOING THE TUTORING.

I'VE WORKED WITH DENNIS MANY YEARS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, AND I'M STILL PERSONALLY CONFUSED THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT SECTION 18 IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THAT IT SAYS UNDER NUMBER 24, OTHER OFFICES OF A BUSINESS IN A PROFESSIONAL NATURE PROVIDING SERVICES, NOT INCLUDING RETAIL, SALE, FABRICATION, MANUFACTURE, ETC.

THERE'S NOTHING MORE PROFESSIONAL THAN A SCHOOL TEACHER, MY WIFE BEING ONE FOR OVER 20 YEARS IN THE SOUTHLAKE DISTRICT.

THIS ZONING ALLOWED IN HERE IS DENNIS, WHICH IS ORTHODONTIST.

SO I REALLY DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, TO BE HONEST.

IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER.

> IF IT'S SUCH A NO BRAINER, THEN YOU OUGHT TO HAVE AN EASY TIME UP HERE TONIGHT.

>> PARDON ME.

>> IF IT'S SUCH A NO BRAINER, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE AN EASY TIME UP HERE TONIGHT.

>> GREAT. THANKS A LOT.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> I'M ASSUMING JUST THESE KIDS, SOME OF THEM MAY DRIVE, SO IT'S NOT ALL DROP OFF? SOME OF THEM MAY DRIVE THEMSELVES.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE TRAFFIC.

>> YEAH. I THINK, HIGH SCHOOL KIDS OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE THEMSELVES.

>> THIS AREA IS PRETTY HEAVILY PARKED ANYWAY, ESPECIALLY DURING THE TIME THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES.

>> NO. IT'S RIGHT OFF SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, MORE IN THE DISTRICT.

>> THANKS A LOT.

>> GOOD. THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER 13, DESPITE THE APPLICANT'S CLAIMS, NEEDS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

SEEING NO ONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS HERE.

I THINK WE'LL MOVE TO A MOTION.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 13 ON OUR AGENDA, CASE NUMBER ZA24-0038, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 2, 2024.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH. THAT'S OKAY.

PASSES.

WE'RE WAITING ON A VOTE, WAITING ON A VOTE. THE DRAMA.

5-0. CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK.

I THINK YOU KNOW YOU WORRY AROUND CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AS WELL.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR CITY SOUTHLAKE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.