[1. Call to order] [00:00:05] WELCOME EVERYONE TO OUR SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR AUGUST 20TH, 2024. IT IS 5:30 P.M., SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED, AND I'LL CALL THE WORK SESSION TO ORDER. I'M SHAWN MCCASKILL. I'M THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AND JOINED BY OUR CITY COUNCILMEMBERS. WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO IN OUR REGULAR ORDER. FIRST UP, AS ALWAYS, IS PASTOR CLAYTON REED, OUR OFFICIAL CITY CHAPLAIN FROM SOUTHLAKE BAPTIST CHURCH, WHO WILL LEAD US IN PRAYER, AND THEN IF YOU WOULD REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THEN THE PLEDGE TO TEXAS, AND SO NOW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO PASTOR REID. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU MAYOR. LET'S PRAY TOGETHER. LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS EVENING, AND TONIGHT WE STOP AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE GOOD, AND LORD, EVEN THINGS LIKE HAVING AIR CONDITIONING ON HOT DAYS IS A BLESSING. WE GIVE THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR GOODNESS, ALL OF THE PEACE THAT YOU BRING US, THE SAFETY THAT YOU BRING TO OUR CITY. LORD, WE GIVE THANKS TONIGHT FOR CHIEF STARR IN HIS RETIREMENT. WE PRAY BLESSING ON HIM. WE THANK YOU FOR HIS LONG SERVICE HERE. WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO GIVE HIM WISDOM AND HELP, AND THAT YOU WOULD BLESS HIS FAMILY AND BLESS HIM AS HE MOVES FORWARD IN HIS ENDEAVORS. LORD, WE ALSO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO NOW FOR 15 YEARS, HAVE BEEN SUCH A VITAL PART OF THE VOLUNTEER STRUCTURE OF SOUTHLAKE. WE PRAY BLESSING ON THEM. WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE YOUNG PEOPLE TO SERVE THEIR CITIES, TO SERVE THEIR NEIGHBORS. WE GIVE THANKS FOR THOSE WHO VOLUNTEER TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE, AND WE PRAY BLESSING OVER THEM AS THEY CELEBRATE THE ANNIVERSARY TONIGHT. LORD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS TO US. WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THIS ROOM WITH PEACE. WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD FILL OUR COUNCIL WITH WISDOM THAT YOU WOULD HELP US. LORD, AS WE MAKE DECISIONS, AS THIS GROUP MAKES DECISIONS. LORD, I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BRING INTEGRITY AND PEACE AND HONOR AND STRENGTH INTO EVERY DECISION THAT'S MADE. WE THANK YOU FOR THEIR SERVICE, AND WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS OUR MAYOR AS HE LEADS THIS MEETING TONIGHT. WE ASK YOU, LORD, TO GIVE PEACE AND HEALTH AND STRENGTH TO EVERY PERSON HERE. IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. PASTOR REED, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THE TEXAS PLEDGE. THANK YOU, PASTOR REED. NEXT ITEM IS WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HONOR AND RECOGNIZE THE SOUTHLAKE CHAPTER OF YOUNG MEN'S SERVICE LEAGUE, WHO ARE CELEBRATING THEIR 15TH YEAR [3. Honors & Recognition: Proclamation for Southlake Young Men's Service League 15-year anniversary] ANNIVERSARY. SO AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE FROM SOUTHLAKE CHAPTER OF YOUNG MEN'S SERVICE LEAGUE SUZANNE JOHNSTON TO THE PODIUM. SHE SERVES AS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF COMMUNICATIONS FOR THAT CHAPTER. TO SAY A FEW WORDS AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A PROCLAMATION AND THEN A PICTURE. IS THIS A SURPRISE? I JUST READ WHAT'S IN FRONT OF ME, SO. OKAY, WELL, I AM SUZANNE JOHNSTON. I AM THE VP COMMUNICATIONS. MY SON IS A SOPHOMORE AT SOUTHLAKE CARROLL. I ALSO WENT THROUGH YMSL IN PLANO FOR FOUR YEARS, SO I'VE LIVED IN SOUTHLAKE FOR TWO YEARS. IT'S GREAT HERE. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'RE DOING, AND I'M VERY PROUD TO BE PART OF YMSL AND TO HELP CELEBRATE THIS ANNIVERSARY. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I KNOW FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, MY BOYS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN YMSL IN JUST THE VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU ALL PROVIDE AND THE GREAT ENVIRONMENT OF FELLOWSHIP AND FRIENDSHIP. IT'S REALLY, REALLY A MODEL FOR WHAT THINGS SHOULD BE LIKE, AND SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR VOLUNTEER SERVICE AND EVERYONE WHO'S, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATING IN THAT. SO I KNOW THERE'S OTHERS HERE ON COUNCIL WHOSE KIDS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED. SO DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YMSL BEFORE WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION? WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I'VE KNOWN OVER THE YEARS MANY MOMS AND SONS THAT HAVE BEEN WITH YMSL, BUT FOR ME IN PARTICULAR YOU ALL HAVE BEEN A HUGE PART OF ART IN THE SQUARE. YOU GUYS COME AND WORK SO HARD SETTING UP AND HELPING US TEAR DOWN, AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT OR THINK ABOUT OR HEAR ABOUT, AND WE CAN'T PUT ON OUR FESTIVAL WITHOUT VOLUNTEERS LIKE YOU ALL, AND SO THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ANNIVERSARY. YEAH, I WOULD JUST ADD I'VE HAD TWO BOYS GO THROUGH YMSL, SO IT'S A GREAT ORGANIZATION, AND I KNOW THE MAYOR AND I HAVE HAD COUNTLESS MOCK CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS UP HERE WITH THE BOYS OVER THE YEARS, SO YEAH, BUT CONGRATULATIONS. [00:05:02] I'M SURE THE BOYS REMEMBER THOSE FONDLY AND HOW MUCH THEY LEARNED AND HOW EXCITING IT WAS. I HEAR THEY STILL TALK ABOUT IT. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, THANK YOU. WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FROM THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, AND THEN NOBODY RUN AWAY. WE WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE AFTER I'M DONE WITH THIS. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE PROCLAMATION FROM THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. SO WHEREAS THE SOUTHLAKE CHAPTER OF YOUNG MEN'S SERVICE LEAGUE WAS ESTABLISHED AUGUST 17TH, 2009 BY 28 MOMS AND THEIR CLASS OF 2012 SONS, ONE OF OVER 165 CHAPTERS NATIONWIDE AND THE FIRST CHAPTER IN THE GREATER FORT WORTH AREA, AND WHEREAS THE ORGANIZATION WAS FORMED TO ASSIST, SERVE AND SUPPORT THOSE WHO ARE IN NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY, DEVELOP LEADERSHIP SKILLS AMONG OUR MEMBERSHIP, AND PROMOTE MOTHER SON RELATIONSHIPS AND WHEREAS 353 MOMS AND 460 HIGH SCHOOL AGED YOUNG MEN HAVE COMPLETED OVER 71,000 SERVICE HOURS, AND WHEREAS THE MEMBERSHIP HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN MANY PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES FOR THE AREA, INCLUDING SPECIAL OLYMPICS, RISE ADAPTIVE SPORTS, GRACE SIX STONES SUMMER SANTA SOUTHLAKE SENIOR CENTER AND KELLER OAKS HEALTHCARE CENTER, AND WHEREAS, THIS ORGANIZATION HAS CONTINUED TO EDUCATE YOUNG MEN THROUGH CURRICULUM FOCUSED ON PRACTICAL SKILLS, LIFE CHOICES, PHILANTHROPY, LEADERSHIP SKILLS, SOCIAL SKILLS, AND CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY, AND NOW, THEREFORE, I, MAYOR SHAWN MACASKILL, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM AUGUST 20TH, 2024 AS SOUTHLAKE YOUNG MEN'S SERVICE LEAGUE DAY HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS, AND I URGE ALL CITIZENS TO CELEBRATE THE 15TH ANNIVERSARY OF THIS SPECIAL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. CONGRATULATIONS. SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU ALL, CAN YOU COME ON DOWN? WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A PICTURE HERE IN FRONT OF THE DAIS. YEAH. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYBODY'S FACES.I GUESS YOU ALL AREN'T STAYING FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING. [CHUCKLING] THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S OKAY. IT'S DINNER TIME; I GET IT. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP IS WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER FOUR, AND THIS IS REGARDING OUR SOUTHLAKE SISTER CITIES, AND AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE AND WELCOME THE PRESIDENT OF [4. Southlake Sister Cities Update] SOUTHLAKE SISTER CITIES, JOHN TERRELL. COME ON DOWN, SIR. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL AND MAYOR, I THINK WE'VE GOT A, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL WORK. PERFECT. WELL, FIRST LET ME JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE SUPPORT THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED TO SOUTHLAKE SISTER CITIES ORGANIZATION OVER THE YEARS. THIS IS ACTUALLY MY 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF JOINING THE ORGANIZATION THIS YEAR, AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF EXCITING THINGS. [00:10:02] I DO WANT TO THANK COUNCILMEMBER TALLEY FOR ALL OF HER WORK ON OUR BOARD, AND KIND OF LIAISON-ING AND TALKING WITH CITY COUNCIL ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. SO THANK YOU, KATHY, VERY MUCH. I ALSO WANT TO JUST THANK THE REST OF OUR BOARD AND ALL THEIR TIRELESS EFFORTS, AND REALLY A BIG SHOUT OUT TO OUR YOUTH BOARD WHO HAVE REALLY STEPPED UP THIS YEAR DOING JUST SO MANY TREMENDOUS THINGS THAT MAYBE HADN'T BEEN HAPPENING IN THE PAST, BUT THEY'RE TAKING A LOT OF LEADERSHIP ROLES AND TAKING ON A LOT OF WHAT'S GOING ON. JUST AS A REMINDER, YOU KNOW, OUR MISSION IS TO PROVIDE FOSTERING OF GLOBAL UNDERSTANDING, FRIENDSHIP, COMMUNICATION THROUGH EDUCATION AND EXCHANGE AND CONDUCT CROSS-CULTURAL EXCHANGES WITH FOREIGN CITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT BUDGETS. I KNOW THAT IS A BIG TIME. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS ALONG, BUT IF YOU RUN INTO ANY EXTRA MONEY, SOUTHLAKE SISTER CITIES IS A WILLING ACCEPTANCE OF ANY EXTRA MONEY THAT YOU HAVE THERE. JUST AS YOU KNOW, THE IN 1991, WE FORMED THE RELATIONSHIP AND SISTER CITY WITH TOYAMA AND BACK ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO NEXT YEAR, IN 2005, IT BECAME TOME CITY AND WE WILL BE HAVING AN ADULT GROUP, I BELIEVE, GOING OVER TO HELP CELEBRATE THEIR 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE TOME CITY, AND THEN WE HAVE A FRIENDSHIP CITY WITH SUZHOU AND THE WUZHONG DISTRICT. WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF MAJOR EVENTS, AND THIS KIND OF LETS YOU KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FROM OCTOBER, OUR BEGINNING OF LAST OF THIS FISCAL YEAR IN 23, WE HOSTED A TEN MEMBER STUDENT DELEGATION FROM JAPAN, AND THEN IN MAY OF THIS YEAR, WE ORGANIZED SOUTHLAKE YOUTH AMBASSADORS ANNUAL HOMESTAY VISIT TOME AND HAD A NUMBER OF STUDENTS VISITING, AND THEN SEPTEMBER, COMING UP, WE WILL HOST A 14 MEMBER STUDENT DELEGATION FROM WUZHONG, CHINA, AND THEN WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS OTHER EVENTS AND PARTICIPATION IN OTHER CITY PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. I'M GOING TO ASK LAUREN IF SHE WOULD COME UP. SHE WAS THE LUCKY RECIPIENT AND OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE CHAPERON OF OUR AMBASSADORS. SO IF LAUREN, YOU'D COME UP AND JUST KIND OF SHARE WITH US HOW THAT WENT AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IT'S ALL YOURS, LAUREN. GOOD EVENING. SO I HAVE THE PLEASURE THIS EVENING OF HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE VERY, VERY COOL EXPERIENCES THAT WE HAD IN TOME, JAPAN, AND THIS TRIP WAS MORE THAN JUST FOR ME, A DELEGATION TRIP. IT WAS A TRUE CULTURAL EXPERIENCE, AND I AM DEEPLY GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. SO FROM REALLY THE MOMENT THAT WE ARRIVED IN TOME, WE WERE JUST GREETED WITH OPEN ARMS. SO MR. SASAKI, WHO'S BEEN A TOM DELEGATE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND WAS THEIR FORMER FIRE CHIEF, HE MET US AT THE AIRPORT, WHICH I AM SO GRATEFUL FOR, BECAUSE GETTING ALL OF THOSE STUDENTS AND FROM THE AIRPORT TO THE TRAIN AND OFF ON BACK TO THE BACK TO WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE, WAS QUITE THE EXPERIENCE, AND SO HE HELPED US OUT FLAWLESSLY, AND THEN AS SOON AS WE GOT TO TOM CITY HALL, WE WERE JUST GREETED. THAT UPPER RIGHT HAND PICTURE IS WHENEVER WE ARRIVED IN TOME CITY. SO IT WAS NIGHTTIME AND ALL OF OUR HOST FAMILIES THAT WERE THERE AND CITY OFFICIALS, AND IT WAS JUST SUCH A LOVELY, WARM GREETING TO KICK OFF THE TRIP. SO DURING OUR TIME IN TOME, WE SPENT A LOT OF IT WITH THE HOST FAMILIES AND THEN VISITING DIFFERENT MUSEUMS AND REALLY JUST GETTING AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE MODERN DAY TRADITIONS THAT EACH HOUSEHOLD KEEPS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE MORE TRADITIONAL ELEMENTS, LIKE A CALLIGRAPHY CLASS AND SOME OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO WE TOOK SOME INCREDIBLE TOURS OF THEIR BEAUTIFUL PARKS, THEIR CITY HALL, THEIR FIRE STATION. THE STUDENTS REALLY LOVED THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN. ONE OF THOSE EARTHQUAKE SIMULATORS WAS VERY, VERY COOL. SO LIVING OUT SOME OF THE UNFORTUNATE NATURAL DISASTERS THAT THEY'VE HAD, BUT TO EXPERIENCE WHAT THAT'S LIKE, BECAUSE WE WON'T GET THAT IN DALLAS, TEXAS. KNOCK ON WOOD. SO THE REALLY THE HOMESTAY EXPERIENCE WAS MY HIGHLIGHT OF THE TRIP, AND TALKING TO THE STUDENTS, GETTING MORE IMMERSED, SIMILAR EXPERIENCES OF GETTING IMMERSED IN THE CULTURE, HAVING HOME COOKED MEALS, REALLY SEEING WHAT IT'S LIKE IN A DAY TO DAY JAPANESE FAMILY IS JUST UNMATCHED. AFTER TOME, WE HEADED OVER TO TOKYO AND WE DID SOME TOURS OF SOME MODERN AND HISTORICAL CULTURAL SITES. SO EVERYTHING FROM SO YOU CAN SEE IN SOME OF THESE PHOTOS, SOME OF THE SHRINES THAT WE VISITED, AS WELL AS SOME SHOPPING AND SOME MODERN MARVELS LIKE THE TOKYO SKYTREE AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER REALLY COOL LANDMARKS. REALLY, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO SISTER CITIES AND ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND, WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO BE ABLE TO GO. IT WAS A VERY, VERY, VERY COOL EXPERIENCE AND WOULD NOT THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO EXPERIENCE IT OTHER THAN GOING WITH SISTER CITIES. SO HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU. [00:15:02] THANK YOU LAUREN. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. BACK TO MAYOR TERRELL. ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AWARDS TO PRESENT THIS EVENING, AND AS AS WE KIND OF ANNOUNCE EACH ONE OF THESE, I'M GOING TO ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD COME FORWARD. I THINK I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES TO HAND OUT SOME CERTIFICATES, SO I'D ASK THEM TO COME FORWARD NOW, AND AS I ANNOUNCE THEM, I'M GOING TO ASK THEM TO COME UP. STAY UP HERE FOR A LARGE GROUP PICTURE INSTEAD OF ONE OF EACH. OKAY, SO FROM THE PRESIDENT'S VOLUNTEER SERVICE AWARD RECIPIENTS. WE'VE GOT GOLD AS PRESTON INOUYE, SILVER, ALLISON BEDWELL, DARIEN KAWAI AND SANVI KISHINCHANDANI AND BRONZE CAMERON CHIN, HUGO DUGUAY, KATAH GUNTER, VARUN MATHEWS AND ALEX SUN, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME REALLY COOL ARTWORK, AND I THINK YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE DO YOU HAVE AT YOUR PLACE THE MUGS AND T SHIRTS? YES. OKAY. SO THIS WAS KADE PONZO, AND I DON'T BELIEVE HE COULD BE HERE THIS EVENING, BUT THE MUGS AND T SHIRTS, ESPECIALLY FOR YEAR OF THE DRAGON, CAME OUT GREAT. IT'S KIND OF A SPECIAL TRIBUTE FOR US, AND SO THOSE ARE KIND OF A REALLY COOL KEEPSAKE AND THEN ON THE SSC ART CONTEST WINNERS FOR YAAS SUBMITTAL. ON THE TRADITIONAL SIDE, AND IT'S SPLIT INTO TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF GROUPS. ONE IS THE TRADITIONAL ART AND ONE IS DIGITAL. FIRST PLACE WAS JUSTIN LIM AND SECOND PLACE PAUL LWE AND THIRD PLACE JACKIE SMITH, AND ON THE DIGITAL SIDE, KATAH GUNTER FIRST PLACE AND ALLISON BEDWELL SECOND PLACE, AND SO IF I CAN ASK ALL OF THEM AND MAYOR, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, WE'D LOVE TO TAKE A GROUP PICTURE. OF COURSE. CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE WHO WON THE VOLUNTEER SERVICE AWARDS AND THESE ARTWORK AWARDS. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALSO, WE'D JUST LIKE TO CALL UP ALL OF THE YOUTH AMBASSADORS AND LAUREN TO TAKE THE PICTURE FROM EVERYBODY WHO TRAVELED TO TOME. ALL RIGHT, LET'S TAKE A PICTURE. ALL RIGHT, WE WANT TO. WHERE DO YOU WANT US? COMING DOWN HERE ON THIS SIDE. RIGHT HERE. OKAY [5. FY 2025 Proposed Budget - Overview] NEXT IS WORK SESSION, ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 PROPOSED BUDGET, AND THIS TIME I'LL INTRODUCE OUR CITY MANAGER, ALISON ORTOWSKI, WHO'S BEEN VERY BUSY WITH THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET TO GIVE US A BUDGET OVERVIEW. ALISON, IT'S ALL YOURS. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, TONIGHT WILL BE THE FIRST OF THREE DISCUSSIONS LEADING UP TO THE BUDGET ADOPTION IN LATE SEPTEMBER, AND SO WE THOUGHT WE'D BEGIN THIS EVENING. FOCUSING ON THIS SHALL BE NO SURPRISE FOCUSING ON OUR FINANCIAL GUIDING PRINCIPLES. ANYONE THAT WORKS ON THE BUDGET OR LISTENS TO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS BUDGET AND BUDGETS IN YEARS PAST SHOULD BE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THESE FINANCIAL GUIDING PRINCIPLES. THEY HAVE HELPED US ACHIEVE OUR GOALS OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS, PARTICULARLY THOSE RELATED TO OUR FINANCIAL SUCCESSES AND OUR STRONG FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, MOST NOTABLY HIGHLIGHTED WITH THE CITY'S THREE TRIPLE-A BOND RATINGS. THEY REALLY ARE THE POLICY FOUNDATION OF OUR WORK. SO AS WE BEGIN TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS FIRST. AS WITH ALL THINGS ON STRATEGY, STRATEGIC ALIGNMENT IS NOT ONLY A GOOD THING, IT'S A NECESSARY THING THAT ENSURES OUR RESOURCE ALLOCATION [00:20:06] IS PUT TOWARDS ADVANCING THE CITY'S ADOPTED GOALS. SO EVERYTHING REALLY STARTS WITH THE STRATEGY. AS YOU BEGIN YOUR REVIEW OF THE BUDGET TONIGHT, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THE FIRST QUESTION WE ASK OURSELVES IS HOW WILL THE BUDGET SUPPORT THE CITY'S STRATEGIC GOALS? WE USE THE ADOPTED STRATEGY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS PUT INTO PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WORKING IN TANDEM WITH YOU AS THE POLICY MAKERS TO MEET THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS GOING FORWARD. WE ALSO PAY ATTENTION TO THINGS LIKE HOW DOES THIS BUDGET SUPPORT IMPLEMENTATION OF OTHER ADOPTED PLANS, LIKE THOSE WITHIN THE SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SO YOU WILL SEE AS YOU GO THROUGH THE BUDGET MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, THAT THIS BUDGET MAKES SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS ACROSS THE CITY'S FOCUS AREAS TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS THAT YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED FOR THIS CITY AND FOR THIS COMMUNITY. MOST OF OUR FOCUS TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE ON THE GENERAL FUND, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE, THE CITY MAKES USE AND UTILIZES A NUMBER OF FUNDING SOURCES TO ACCOMPLISH OUR STRATEGIC GOALS THROUGH STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS. THE DOLLARS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR IN A SERIES OF FUNDS, AND YOU SEE THOSE PICTURED HERE ON THIS SCREEN, AND FUNDS CAN BE THOUGHT OF AS A SET OF CONTAINED SELF-BALANCING ACCOUNTS WITH THEIR OWN REVENUE SOURCES, AND MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE USE OF THESE FUNDS IS RESTRICTED EITHER BY LAW OR THROUGH ESTABLISHED AND ADOPTED POLICY. THE BUDGET BOOK PROVIDES A LOT OF DETAIL ABOUT HOW THESE FUNDS ARE BEING PUT TO USE, AND THEY IT PROVIDES A FULL AND COMPLETE PICTURE. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE THAT HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USE OF THESE FUNDS. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY AVAILABLE AND CAN ANSWER THOSE GOING FORWARD, BUT WE ARE GOING TO SPEND THE MAJORITY OF THE REST OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION FOCUSING ON THE GENERAL FUND. SO I'D LIKE TO ASK CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER TO STEP FORWARD, SHARON JACKSON, AND SHE IS GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. AS WITH PREVIOUS YEARS BUDGETS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED, TAX RELIEF IS ONE OF THE MANY PRIORITIES WHEN ESTABLISHING THE BUDGET, AND THAT STILL HOLDS TRUE WITH THE PROPOSED 2025 BUDGET THAT'S PRESENTED FOR YOU THIS EVENING. FIRST, BEGINNING WITH THE PROPERTY VALUES WITH THE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, AS IN PREVIOUS YEARS, WE DID SEE AN INCREASE IN OUR APPRAISED VALUE OF 6.7%, WHICH IS JUST UNDER 15 BILLION, AND THAT IS BASED OFF OF AN AVERAGE HOME VALUE OF JUST UNDER 1.1 MILLION HERE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. WHEN YOU TRANSITION TO THE TAXABLE VALUE, WE DID SEE A 6.4% INCREASE, WHICH IS JUST UNDER 12 BILLION, AND THAT'S BASED OFF OF AN AVERAGE HOME TAXABLE VALUE OF 883,000. AS IN PREVIOUS YEARS, WE DID HAVE A GROWTH IN OUR EXISTING PROPERTIES, WHICH WAS ABOUT 80%, BUT THE OTHER 19% OF THAT GROWTH FACTOR IS RELATED TO NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LARGEST PORTION OF THAT WAS RELATED TO RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS ABOUT 76% OF THAT 19% OF NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS NEW RESIDENTIAL HOMES. AS DISCUSSED DURING THE AUGUST 6TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING, STAFF PRESENTED SOME TAX RATE OPTIONS AND BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED, THE 2025 BUDGET DOES INCLUDE A PROPOSED TAX RATE OF 0.305, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY BELOW THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, WHICH IS A 1.4 CENT TAX RATE REDUCTION WHEN COMPARE IT TO THE CURRENT TAX RATE OF 3.19 AND A REVENUE REDUCTION OF JUST UNDER 1.6 MILLION BASED OFF OF THIS TAX RATE REDUCTION. ALONG WITH OTHER TAX RATE RELIEF TO TAXPAYERS, OUR RESIDENTIAL TAXPAYERS, WE HAVE THE 20% HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST STATE STATUTE THAT ALLOWS, AND WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT IN 2018, AS WELL AS THE DISABLED AND OVER 65 EXEMPTIONS AND THE SENIOR TAX FREEZE, WHICH THE CITY INSTITUTED IN THE EARLY 2000S WERE PROBABLY TWO DECADES THAT WE HAVE HAD THE SENIOR TAX FREEZE. WE'RE LOOKING AT VERY TARGETED TAXPAYER RELIEF IS THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, WHICH IS 20%, AND THAT'S JUST UNDER 220,000 OF TAXABLE VALUE IS REDUCED BASED ON THE AVERAGE VALUED HOME, AND WHEN YOU EQUATE THAT TO A EQUIVALENT TAX RATE, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL 6.4 CENT TAX RATE REDUCTION JUST FROM THE 20% HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, WHICH REDUCES THE CITY'S REVENUE BY 5.6 MILLION. IN ADDITION TO THE 1.6 MILLION FOR THE TAX RATE REDUCTION. NEXT, MOVING ON TO JUST ANOTHER LOOK, WHEN YOU SEE THAT BASED ON THE AVERAGE VALUE HOME AND THE TAX RATE TAX RATE EQUIVALENT FROM THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, THAT [00:25:05] EQUATES TO AN EQUIVALENT TAX RATE OF 2.41 PER $100 VALUATION, AND THE AVERAGE TAX BILL FOR THAT AVERAGE VALUED HOME IS JUST UNDER $2,700, AND FOR THAT $2,700 THAT PROVIDES THE PUBLIC SAFETY PLANNING, CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE WITHIN THE CITY, AND AS INDICATED ON THE SLIDE, THAT CITY OF SOUTHLAKE IS AMONG THE LOWEST ALLOCATION OF THAT ANNUAL TAX BILL, JUST UNDER WELL AT 14% FOR THE 2025 YEAR, ASSUMING THE TAX RATE HOLDS STEADY FOR THE OTHER ENTITIES. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THAT SINCE 2009, THE CITY HAS HAD TAXPAYER RELIEF. THIS WOULD BE THE 14TH TAX RATE TAX RELIEF SINCE 2009, AND INDICATED ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE MAINTAINED THE TAX PRETTY CLOSE TO THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER OF $2,600, AND AS INDICATED ON THE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE APPRAISED AND TAXABLE VALUE HAS INCREASED OVER THE YEARS. SO DUE TO THE TAXPAYER RELIEF, YOU CAN SEE THAT'S MAINTAINED AN AVERAGE TAX BILL FOR THE HOMEOWNERS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. ANOTHER GUIDING PRINCIPLE IS A STRUCTURALLY BALANCED AND OPTIMUM FUND BALANCE. SO WE'LL NOW DISCUSS THAT GUIDING PRINCIPLE. A STRUCTURAL BALANCE IS FUNDAMENTAL TO THE CITY'S BUDGETING STANDARDS. FUND BALANCE IS A KEY METRIC AND CONSIDERATION FOR OUR BOND RATING AGENCIES, WHICH PLAYS A CRITICAL PART OF THE TRIPLE A BOND RATING FROM ALL THREE AGENCIES, AND FOR ALMOST TWO DECADES, THE CITY HAS MAINTAINED THAT OPTIMUM FUND BALANCE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT AN INDICATION OF OUR FISCAL HEALTH. ANY DOLLARS. AS YOU ARE ALL AWARE. ANY DOLLARS ABOVE THAT OPTIMUM FUND BALANCE IS TRANSFERRED TO THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVE FUND THAT IS USED FOR HIGH IMPACT PROJECTS AS A WAY TO ALSO PAY FOR CASH TOWARD OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. NOW, TO TRANSITION TO A GUIDING PRINCIPLE. OUR CASH FUNDING AND DEBT MANAGEMENT, AGAIN, IS A KEY INDICATOR THAT'S USED DUE TO THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVE FUND. AS WE'VE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE GENERAL FUND NOT ONLY MANAGES THE GENERAL OPERATIONS OF THE CITY, IT ALSO IS A FUNDING SOURCE FOR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, TECHNOLOGY, FACILITIES, STREETS AND OUR STORMWATER AS WELL. ON THIS SLIDE GIVES YOU A WIDE VARIETY OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE GENERAL FUND ALSO IS THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THOSE ITEMS. WE HAVE OVER 200 MILES OF ROADWAY IN THE CITY, WHICH IS VALUED JUST UNDER $300 MILLION. HERE IN THE CITY. TOTAL INFRASTRUCTURE GOVERNMENT ASSETS IS JUST UNDER 550 MILLION, AS WELL AS OUR TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE STORM WATER AND OUR FACILITIES WHICH IS OVER 880,000FT² HERE IN THE CITY. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, STRATEGIC INITIATIVE FUND IS A KEY INDICATOR, A KEY ELEMENT THAT ASSISTS WITH OUR DEBT MANAGEMENT STRATEGY WHERE WE CAN PUT CASH TOWARD OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. THIS FUND WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2006, AND AGAIN, IT'S AN INNOVATIVE BUDGETING PRACTICE THAT WE PUT. WE STARTED SO THAT OUR FUND BALANCE POLICY SAYS WE WILL MAINTAIN A MINIMUM OF 15%, UP TO 25% IN FUND BALANCE, AND ANYTHING ABOVE THAT 25%, WHICH CONSISTS OF OUR EXCESS REVENUE, UNSPENT APPROPRIATIONS FROM THE PRIOR YEAR, AND INDIRECT CHARGES. ALL ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, 25% IS TRANSFERRED TO THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVE FUND, AND AGAIN, THE BIGGEST COMPONENT OR BENEFIT OF THIS HAS BEEN CASH FUNDING OF OUR CIP PROJECTS. THIS SLIDE IS A DEPICTION OF THE CURRENT FIVE YEAR APPROVED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHERE IN THIS BUDGET, AS WITH PREVIOUS YEARS, WE DO HAVE CASH INCLUDED THAT WILL BE USED TO ASSIST WITH FUNDING THE PLANNED CIP FOR 2025. THERE'S ABOUT 18.5 MILLION INCLUDED IN A PROPOSED BUDGET FROM VARIOUS FUNDING SOURCES THAT WILL ASSIST WITH, AS DEPICTED HERE FOR 2025, ARE JUST OVER $50 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE GENERAL FUND. THERE'S 3.5 MILLION OF CASH FUNDING INCLUDED FOR THE JUST UNDER 16 MILLION OF PROJECTS PLANNED FOR 2025. AGAIN, THIS IS BASED ON THE CURRENT APPROVED CIP PLAN, BUT A NEW PLAN WILL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE AT A FEBRUARY MEETING, AS ALSO INCLUDED WITH THE 2025. AGAIN, 3.5 MILLION OF GENERAL FUND MONEY, AS WELL AS CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION TO FUND THE GAP BETWEEN CIP PROJECTS THAT ARE PLANNED AND AS IN PREVIOUS YEARS, WE WILL HAVE A LIMITED AMORTIZATION FOR THOSE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. THE GOOD NEWS IN THE CURRENT PROPOSED BUDGET, 100% OF THE PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED DEBT WILL BE PAID UNLESS PAID OFF IN LESS THAN TEN YEARS. EVEN WITH THE PROPOSED OR ANTICIPATED CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION THAT WILL BE NECESSARY TO FUND THE 2025 PROJECTS, WE WILL STILL HOLD TRUE TO THE BONDS COULD BE PAID OFF IN LESS [00:30:07] THAN TEN YEARS. NEXT, ANOTHER GUIDING PRINCIPLE THAT HAS SERVED THE CITY QUITE WELL IS MANAGE CITY'S EXPENDITURE GROWTH, WHICH HAS BEEN A VITAL PART IN KEEPING US OUR ABILITY TO HIT OUR OTHER GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED UP TO THIS POINT. IN THIS YEAR, WHEN DEVELOPING THE BUDGET, THE DFW CPI AVERAGE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX INCREASED JUST UNDER 5%. HOWEVER, WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WE WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT EXPENDITURE GROWTH AT 3.5%, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE CPI. HOWEVER, I WOULD WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE WAS SOME LIMITED THAT LIMITED GROWTH WAS ACHIEVED THROUGH SOME ONE TIME BASE BUDGET REALLOCATIONS AS WELL AS SOME PERSONNEL POSITIONS AS WELL. NEXT, TO GIVE A LOOK TO SHOW THE TEN YEAR LOOK OF THIS MANAGED GROWTH. TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A THEY CONTINUED THAT PROCESS AND GUIDING PRINCIPLE THAT HAS SERVED US WELL OVER THE YEARS THAT ON AVERAGE, FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS, THE CPI HAS GROWN AT 3.1%. THE CITY'S AVERAGE GROWTH IN THAT SAME PERIOD IS 3.9%, WHICH WITH THE 3.9% THAT INCLUDES NEW SERVICES AND SERVICE ENHANCEMENTS AND NOT JUST ORGANIC GROWTH. WHEN YOU COMPARE OUR BENCHMARK CITIES, THEIR AVERAGE GROWTH WAS JUST OVER 5% AT 5.4% FOR THAT SAME TIME PERIOD. NEXT, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER STACEY BLACK. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. SO AS A SERVICE ORGANIZATION, WE RELY ON A TEAM OF HIGHLY PROFESSIONAL AND CAPABLE EMPLOYEES TO REALLY SERVE OUR TAXPAYERS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, AND IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE MAKE OUR EMPLOYEES BECOME A PRIORITY WITHIN OUR BUDGET, AND THAT ALIGNS WITH THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE TO BE AN EMPLOYER OF CHOICE. THE WORKFORCE INVESTMENTS THAT YOU'LL FIND PROPOSED IN THIS BUDGET SUPPORT THE STRATEGY IN THREE PRIMARY WAYS. THIS YEAR, WE FOCUSED FIRST, ON HAVING A GREAT WORKPLACE CULTURE THAT SUPPORTS OUR CORE VALUES, POSITIVE EMPLOYEE ENGAGEMENT, AND ALSO A POSITIVE EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE. SECOND, WE STRIVE TO OFFER A COMPREHENSIVE BENEFITS PACKAGE THAT IS MARKET COMPETITIVE AND MEETS OUR EMPLOYEES WITH THEIR NEEDS, AND THEN THIRD, WE ALWAYS STRIVE TO OFFER A FAIR, TRANSPARENT, AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE COMPENSATION SYSTEM THAT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE CITY'S ADOPTED PROGRAM, WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL IN 2013 AND MOST RECENTLY AMENDED IN 2022. FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025, THE BUDGET PROPOSES WORKFORCE INVESTMENTS THAT INCLUDE ONGOING ATTENTION TO THOSE EMPLOYEE ENGAGEMENT AND CULTURE INITIATIVES, CONTINUING INITIATIVES RELATED TO TALENT DENSITY AND SUCCESSION PLANNING, ALSO SUPPORTING THE LEARNING AND GROWTH OF OUR WORKFORCE BY FUNDING, TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE TASKED WITH CARRYING OUT THE CITY'S MISSION EVERY SINGLE DAY, IT ALSO PROPOSES SHARING THE COSTS OF HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASES WITH EMPLOYEES, AND PROPOSES MAINTAINING COMPETITIVE PAY TO ENSURE OUR DESIRED MARKET POSITION FOR OUR EMPLOYEES IS MAINTAINED. THIS YEAR, THE BUDGET PROPOSES A 4.5% PAY INCREASE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND 3.5% FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES. I ALWAYS LIKE TO POINT OUT AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, BECAUSE THEY ARE ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT IN ATTRACTING AND RETAINING REALLY THAT WORLD CLASS EMPLOYEE. ONE WAY WE MEASURE THE COMPETITIVENESS OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM IS TO LOOK AT THE COST OF BENEFITS AS A PERCENTAGE OF OVERALL PAYROLL. IT REALLY WE TAKE THIS APPROACH BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT BENEFITS ACROSS OTHER EMPLOYERS, YOU CAN'T REALLY COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES BECAUSE EACH UNIQUE ORGANIZATION OFFERS A BENEFITS PROGRAM THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. THIS RATIO HELPS US ENSURE THAT WE REMAIN BOTH COMPETITIVE AND FINANCIALLY PRUDENT AT THE CITY. WE LOOK AT DATA PUBLISHED BY THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS FOR STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORKERS, AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE DATA POINTS HERE ON THE SCREEN FOR 2024. YOUR STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT BENCHMARK IS 38%, WHILE YOUR CIVILIAN EMPLOYERS ARE HOVERING AROUND 31.2% FOR THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET. WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 30.2% AT THAT RATIO. THAT CONCLUDES THE EMPLOYEE EMPLOYER, THE EMPLOYEE WORLD CLASS EMPLOYER OF CHOICE PROGRAM. I'LL PASS IT OVER BACK TO CFO JACKSON. THANK YOU. AS WE'VE COMMONLY SAID VERY OFTEN THAT TODAY'S DECISIONS AFFECT TOMORROW'S FINANCIAL HEALTH, AND THAT'S NO DIFFERENT WITH THE CURRENT YEAR'S PROPOSED BUDGET. AS PICTURED ON THIS SLIDE, THERE ARE SEVERAL INDICATORS THAT'S USED TO THINK THROUGH MULTI-YEAR SUSTAINABILITY. WHEN LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND PROJECTING OUT THE FISCAL HEALTH OF THE CITY, AS INDICATED ON THIS SLIDE, AND WE DISCUSSED IN JUNE SOME OF THE INDICATORS AND GROWTH FACTORS THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED. AS WE'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE MULTI-YEAR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALL OF THESE INDICATORS THAT WE WILL DIG INTO THAT AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ON [00:35:06] THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, ON THE OUTLOOK FOR THE CITY AND THE FISCAL HEALTH OF THAT. ALSO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE APPROACHING BUILD-OUT AND THAT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE OUR REVENUE BEGINNING TO LEVEL OUT, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY SALES TAX WE'RE NO LONGER SEEING THE DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASE IN SALES TAX, AS WELL AS DEVELOPMENT REVENUE, WHERE THERE'S BEEN LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT HAS IMPACTED OUR ABILITY AS IT RELATES TO REVENUE RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT REVENUE AND OTHER FEES THAT WE CAN CHARGE, AS WELL AS THE LABOR MARKET PRESSURES THAT ARE VERY REAL TO THE CITY AS WELL AS OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. WE'LL BE TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THE MULTI-YEAR PICTURE DURING THE NEXT BUDGET SESSIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE SCHEDULED IN SEPTEMBER. THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE THE FIRST READING ON SEPTEMBER THE 3RD, WITH THE SECOND READING WILL BE SEPTEMBER THE 17TH, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET THE CITY MANAGER OR MYSELF KNOW AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR JACKSON. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT AGAIN, KUDOS TO YOU AND ALISON AND THE WHOLE TEAM. I KNOW, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT THIS WAS THE HARDEST BUDGET THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH SINCE BEING INVOLVED IN CITY COUNCIL SINCE 2015. JUST THE COST OF DOING THE CITY'S BUSINESS HAS GONE UP. YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM HEALTH INSURANCE TO CONCRETE TO GASOLINE, AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE REALLY OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL. SO FOR THE TEAM TO PUT TOGETHER THIS BUDGET, WHICH DELIVERS OVER $7 MILLION WORTH OF TAX RELIEF TO OUR PROPERTY OWNERS, MONEY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP IN THEIR POCKETS IS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT. I'M NOT SURE MANY CITIES CAN DO THAT THIS YEAR, SO GREAT JOB. THANK YOU FOR DOING IT. I KNOW IT WAS A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF TIME, BUT WE APPRECIATE IT. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OH, I WAS JUST ECHOING THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS. I MEAN, WE REALIZE WHAT A DIFFICULT JOB IT IS TO THREAD THE NEEDLE OF PROVIDING WORLD CLASS SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS WHILE ALSO PROVIDING TAX RELIEF. YOU KNOW, THAT ALWAYS DOESN'T GO TOGETHER, AND YOU GUYS ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO DO THAT, AND AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS AND GOING FORWARD, WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE WATCHING THAT CLOSELY. WE KNOW THINGS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE. ECONOMY DICTATES A LOT OF THINGS, AND MONEY DOESN'T JUST GROW ON A TREE IN THE BACKYARD. SO BUT ONCE AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB FOR THE RESIDENTS AND ALSO FOR THE COUNCIL. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO NO ACTION TONIGHT ON THAT. WE'LL GET DOWN TO BUSINESS IN SEPTEMBER ON PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALL THAT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS WORK SESSION, ITEM NUMBER SIX. [6. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session. ] THIS IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM KATHY TALLEY TO LEAD US THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO OFFER THE FOLLOWING ITEMS UP FOR CONSIDERATION ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM FOUR A APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 6TH, 2024 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ITEM FOUR B EXCUSE THE ABSENCE OF COUNCILMEMBER RONELL SMITH FROM THE AUGUST 20TH, 2024 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ITEM FOUR C EXCUSE THE ABSENCE OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER LAURA GUNTER FROM THE AUGUST 8TH, 2024 REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. ITEM FOUR D APPROVE ZA24-0034 PLAT REVISION FOR LOTS 13R1 AND 13R2 BLOCK 3R CIMARRON ACRES ADDITION BEING A REVISION OF LOT 13, BLOCK 3R CIMARRON ACRES IN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 101 NORTH PEARSON LANE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. CURRENT ZONING S-P-2 GENERAL SITE PLAN DISTRICT SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 11. ITEM FOUR E APPROVE ZA24-0035 PLAT REVISION FOR LOT AR2R BLOCK ONE BURGER ADDITION BEING A REVISION OF LOT AR2 BLOCK ONE BURGER ADDITION. IN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS AND LOCATED AT 1355 NORTH PEYTONVILLE AVENUE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. CURRENT ZONING SF1-A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. ITEM FOUR F APPROVE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE FOR THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, OR ILA, WITH TARRANT COUNTY TO RECEIVE FINANCIAL SUPPORT AND REIMBURSEMENT OF UP TO $2,225,000 FOR THE WEST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD PROJECTS AT DAVIS BOULEVARD AND SOUTH PEYTONVILLE AVENUE. ITEM FOUR G APPROVE AN ENGINEERING SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES, INC. TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING, DESIGN, RIGHT OF WAY AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES FOR THE MUSTANG COURT INDUSTRIAL ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS. THE SOUTHWESTERN STREET EXTENSION PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $700,000. ITEM FOUR H APPROVE SUPPLEMENT AGREEMENT NUMBER ONE FOR AN ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH TEAGUE, NALL AND PERKINS, INC. FOR ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING, DESIGN, EASEMENT AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES RELATED TO THE MORGAN ROAD DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $140,000. ITEM FOUR I APPOINT MEMBERS TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL FOCUS GROUP, AND THAT'S IT, AND ON ITEM [00:40:10] FOUR, I WERE GOING TO APPOINT TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL FOCUS GROUP DENNIS MINDER AND JACK BAXTER. I THINK JACK BAXTER IS THE NEW CHAIR OF THE AMERICAN LEGION CHAPTER IN THIS AREA. SO I THINK HE'S REPLACING JOHN KIRBY. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO MOVE, POSSIBLY FROM OUR REGULAR AGENDA TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA? YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND ADDING ITEM SEVEN A ZA24-0029 ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 920 SOUTH CARROLL AVENUE. ITEM SEVEN C CASE NUMBER ZA24-0031 ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR 380 SOUTH NOLAN DRIVE, AND ALSO ITEM SEVEN D CASE NUMBER ZA24 0032 ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 303 EAST HIGHLAND STREET AND ITEM SEVEN E CAYCE ZA24-0038 ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR 2813 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOOD WITH MOVING ALL OF THOSE ITEMS FROM REGULAR AGENDA TO CONSENT AGENDA AND APPROVING THOSE AT SEVEN A, SEVEN C, SEVEN D AND SEVEN E. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WANT ANY KIND OF PRESENTATION ON THOSE BEFORE WE MOVE THEM TO CONSENT? NO. MAYOR. DID WE WANT TO CONSIDER THE TWO SIGNED PACKAGES NINE A AND B POSSIBLY MOVING THOSE. OR PERHAPS WHEN WE COME BACK GETTING A QUICK PRESENTATION AND, YOU KNOW, COVERING THOSE JUST WITH THE LENGTH OF THE EVENING. PERHAPS THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. OR DO YOU WANT TO PUT THEM ON CONSENT? WELL, I GUESS WE COULD DO EITHER ONE. WE COULD DO A QUICK PRESENTATION AND MOVE THEM TO CONSENT, OR LEAVE THEM ON REGULAR AND MOVE THEM UP FRONT. YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU WERE GOING TO TALK. I'M FINE WITH MOVING THEM UP FRONT. I WAS PLANNING ON MOVING SEVEN B DAKOTA STEAKHOUSE TO GO FIRST, AND THEN THE TWO SIGN CASES AND THEN SIX A, SIX B, WHICH IS BRUMLOW EAST AND SIX C WHICH IS RESTORATION CHURCH. HAVE THOSE TWO LAST, BUT I'M OPEN TO IDEAS IF YOU WANT TO PUT THE TWO SINE CASES NINE A AND NINE B ON CONSENT. I FEEL LIKE NINE A AND B, NO, NO. WOULD YOU RATHER KEEP THOSE TO THE END? WE CAN PUT THEM. I'D RATHER KEEP THEM. JUST KEEP THEM THEN. I'D RATHER KEEP THEM ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. I DON'T IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME WHAT ORDER YOU WANT TO DO, BUT YEAH, I'LL PROBABLY I'M THINKING WE'LL DO DAKOTA'S STEAKHOUSE SEVEN B FIRST, THEN WE'LL DO THE TWO SIGN CASES. CHAMPION SIGN WHICH IS NINE, A METHODIST WHICH IS NINE B AND THEN GET INTO THE CASES THAT WILL HAVE MORE. OKAY. YEAH WE'LL DO THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TALLEY. SO WITH THAT, THE NEXT AND WE'LL TAKE UP THE CONSENT AGENDA DURING OUR REGULAR SESSION. [1. Call to order] SO I'LL CALL TO ORDER OUR REGULAR SESSION, AND AS MAYOR I HEREBY ADVISE WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. [2.A. Executive Session] PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071, TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK WE'LL BE? 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR. 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR. SO RIGHT AROUND SEVEN OR SHORTLY AFTER 7:00. WE'LL SEE YOU THEN. [2.B. Reconvene] ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER. IS THERE ANY ACTION NECESSARY FOLLOWING EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO, MAYOR. NEXT ITEM IS THREE A THE MAYOR'S REPORT. NOTHING SCHEDULED. ITEM THREE B IS THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. [3.B. City Manager’s Report] SO ALISON ORTOWSKI IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT CHIEF STARR. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. SO, THIS IS A BITTERSWEET EVENING FOR US BECAUSE FIRE CHIEF MIKE STARR HAS ANNOUNCED THAT HE INTENDS TO RETIRE AT THE END OF THE MONTH. HIS LAST DAY WITH THE CITY WILL BE AUGUST 31ST, AND SO, IN LIGHT OF THAT, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TOOK SOME TIME TO HONOR HIM TONIGHT AND THANK HIM FOR HIS SERVICE TO SOUTHLAKE OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS AND WHILE I'M THANKING HIM, I ALSO WANT TO EXTEND OUR THANKS TO HIS WIFE, MELANIE, WHO HAS SERVED RIGHT ALONG HIS SIDE DURING THE TIME WITH SOUTHLAKE. SO VERY GRATEFUL THAT SHE'S HERE WITH MIKE TONIGHT. CHIEF STARR BEGAN HIS CAREER IN SOUTHLAKE IN 1997 AS A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC, BRINGING NEARLY A DECADE OF EXPERIENCE WITH HIM WHEN HE JOINED US FROM THE CITY OF AUBREY AND THE COLONY. AFTER JOINING OUR DEPARTMENT, HE QUICKLY ADVANCED THROUGH THE RANKS, BECOMING A FIRE DRIVER ENGINEER IN 2001 AND A CAPTAIN OF OPERATIONS IN 2003. HE WAS RECOGNIZED WITH THE DIRECTOR'S AWARD IN 2006, AND AS FIREFIGHTER OF THE YEAR IN 2007, AND SINCE BEING APPOINTED OUR CHIEF IN 2008, HE HAS OVERSEEN SIGNIFICANT EXPANSION AND GROWTH TO MEET OUR COMMUNITY'S EVOLVING NEEDS. MOST NOTABLY, SOUTHLAKE OPENED THE MAJORITY OF ITS FACILITIES UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP. STATION ONE DPS HEADQUARTERS OPENED IN 2009 AND STATION THREE DPS NORTH TRAINING FACILITY IN 2014. [00:45:01] DURING MIKE'S TIME AS CHIEF, OUR DEPARTMENT HAS GROWN FROM 45 PERSONNEL IN 2008 TO 74 PERSONNEL TODAY, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP, THE SOUTHLAKE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS BECOME KNOWN AS A WORLD CLASS ORGANIZATION, HOLDING ACCREDITATION SINCE 2007 AND ACHIEVING AND MAINTAINING AN ISO ONE RATING SINCE 2014. THERE ARE ONLY A VERY SELECT FEW DEPARTMENTS IN THE STATE THAT HAVE EARNED BOTH OF THESE PRESTIGIOUS RECOGNITION AND CHIEF STARR'S GUIDANCE HAS BEEN CRUCIAL IN NAVIGATING THE CHALLENGES OF A GROWING DEPARTMENT DURING HIS TIME HERE, WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING AND PROMOTING THOSE HIGH SERVICE STANDARDS. IN FACT, IN RECOGNITION OF HIS STRONG LEADERSHIP, HE WAS RECOGNIZED BY HIS COWORKERS ON THE EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP TEAM AS STRATEGIC PERFORMER OF THE YEAR IN 2016. CHIEF STARR, OR MIKE AS I KNOW HIM, HAS BEEN A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR TEAM AND WE ARE ALL SO VERY PROUD THAT WE HAVE HAD THE CHANCE TO WORK WITH HIM. SO I THOUGHT BEFORE I ASKED HIM TO STEP FORWARD AND SAY A FEW WORDS, THAT MAYBE WE COULD OPEN IT UP TO YOU AND THE COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE HIM AND THANK HIM FOR HIS SERVICE. ALL RIGHT. WELL SAID. THANK YOU, ALISON. YEAH THIS IS TOUGH, CHIEF STARR. IT'S BEEN A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WORKING WITH YOU SINCE I JOINED P AND Z AND THEN BECAME A COUNCILMEMBER IN 2015, AND, YOU KNOW, YOUR YOUR ACCOLADES, YOUR AWARDS, YOUR CREDENTIALS, YOUR RECOGNITIONS. THOSE ALL SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT NOT ONLY ARE YOU GREAT AT YOUR JOB, YOU'RE A GREAT PERSON, AND I'VE SEEN THAT IN THE COMMUNITY WITH HOW YOU HANDLE YOURSELF AND INTERACT WITH OUR RESIDENTS AT COMMUNITY EVENTS, AND I'VE SEEN THAT WITH MY OWN FAMILY MEMBERS, FROM LITTLE KIDS TO MY MOTHER IN LAW WHO ALL LOVE YOU. SO YOU'RE THE BEST OF THE BEST. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR THE CITY AND THE WAY YOU'VE DONE IT, WITH THAT PERSONAL TOUCH AND THAT JOY IN YOUR HEART AND THAT LOVE FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND IT'S SPECIAL, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO MISS THAT, BUT WE WISH YOU ALL THE BEST. CONGRATULATIONS. YOU JUST LOOK TOO YOUNG TO BE RETIRING, BUT I KNOW YOU TOLD ME TO SAY THAT, RIGHT? [CHUCKLING] BUT CONGRATULATIONS, AND, YOU KNOW, GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. COUNCIL. YEAH. I KNOW WE ALL HAVE SIMILAR THOUGHTS FOR YOU. SO I FIRST MET YOU WITH ART IN THE SQUARE LONG BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL, AND JUST OVER THE YEARS OUR SOUTHLAKE WOMEN'S CLUB LADIES, OUR COMMUNITY, PEOPLE THAT COME TO THE FESTIVAL, YOU CAN JUST TELL THAT NOT ONLY DO YOU WORK HARD WITH YOUR TEAM TO KEEP US SAFE AND TO HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND, BUT YOU YOU DO THAT WITH US THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO WE HAVE MEETINGS NINE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. YOU AND A LOT OF YOUR TEAM ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS, AND YOU SEND GREAT PEOPLE, WHICH ARE ALSO A TESTAMENT TO YOU, AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE HARD NOT HAVING YOU IN THOSE MEETINGS. HOPEFULLY YOU'LL BE DOING SOMETHING MUCH MORE FUN, AND THEN, OF COURSE, BEING ON COUNCIL AND GETTING TO SEE MORE OF THE INNER WORKINGS AND JUST HOW YOU KEEP OUR CITY SAFE, HOW YOU TAKE CARE OF OUR RESIDENTS AND JUST HOW YOU CARE FOR PEOPLE AND I JUST WANT TO REALLY THANK YOU FOR THAT AND BEST WISHES IN YOUR FUTURE. YEAH, I'LL ECHO THE SAME THING THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. I MEAN, I THINK 27 YEARS IN THE SAME SPOT IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE IN AND OF ITSELF, I THINK, AND THE FACT THAT YOU KIND OF STARTED ENTRY LEVEL AND CLIMBED YOUR WAY ALL THE WAY TO THE PEAK OF THAT IS IMPRESSIVE. YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU LOOK AT YOUR YEARS OF LEADERSHIP AND LOOK AT YOUR TEAM, AND IT'S A TESTAMENT TO JUST EXACTLY HOW IN THE WEEDS YOU ARE WITH THEM. I THINK THEY RESPECT YOU AND WE RESPECT YOU, AND I THINK IT'S AMAZING THE SERVICE YOU'VE PROVIDED FROM, YOU KNOW, MEDICAL FROM EMS TO FIRE AND EVERYTHING. IT'S JUST IT'S BEEN IMPRESSIVE. I'VE GOTTEN TO WORK WITH YOU MORE THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WITH EMS AND STUFF. JUST KIND OF FIGURING THOSE THINGS OUT FOR US, AND I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH AND I WISH YOU THE ABSOLUTE BEST OF LUCK AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL. YEAH, I WOULD JUST ECHO EVERYONE'S COMMENTS. CHIEF, I CAN'T REALLY SEE YOU. THERE YOU ARE. I SEE YOU RIGHT THERE, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU. JUST A SINCERE THANK YOU. I MEAN, JUST DECADES OF SERVICE. WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR CLOSE TO 20 YEARS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BITTERSWEET THINGS OF SERVING ON A COUNCIL FOR A LONG TIME IS YOU SEE THESE RETIREMENTS, YOU HAVE TO SAY GOODBYE TO GOOD PEOPLE, AND I KNOW YOU AND MELANIE HAVE. IT'S GOODBYE, BUT IT'S JUST ANOTHER STEP INTO A NEW CHAPTER. LIKE THEY SAID, YOU'RE SO YOUNG. I'M SO JEALOUS. YOU'RE YOUNG AND JUST STEPPING INTO A NEW, EXCITING CHAPTER, AND YOU'VE CERTAINLY EARNED THAT RIGHT TO DO THAT, BUT WE'LL MISS YOU. I'LL MISS WHAT YOU BROUGHT TO THE COMMUNITY, THE THINGS WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED, THE ISO ONE RATING AND, YOU KNOW, BEING SEEN AS ONE OF THE TOP MOST PREPARED FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND THE INSURANCE AGENCY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST, HAS RECOGNIZED THAT, BUT SEEING THE GROWTH, WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH OUR [00:50:01] FIRE STATIONS, WITH OUR EQUIPMENT, WITH YOU KNOW, JUST THE GROWTH OF THE DEPARTMENT, THE MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE OWE THAT TO YOU, AND THEN ON A PERSONAL NOTE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A SON WHO'S GOING INTO FIRE, AND YOU'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN GUIDING THAT AND GIVING US ADVICE, AND HE'S GRADUATED THE ACADEMY NOW, AND NOW HE'S IN EMT SCHOOL. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S GETTING CLOSE AND HOPEFULLY HE CAN FOLLOW IN YOUR FOOTSTEPS, BUT STAY IN TOUCH. I KNOW YOU WILL, BUT CONGRATULATIONS. YEAH. MIKE, IT'S BEEN SUCH A GREAT JOURNEY JUST GETTING TO KNOW YOU, AND YOU ARE THE MOST HUMBLE, KIND, GENUINE GUY AND THE FIRE SERVICES ARE SOMETHING THAT MOST RESIDENTS JUST SORT OF, AND I DON'T WANT THIS TO COME ACROSS WRONG, BUT TAKE FOR GRANTED, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU NEED IT, YOU NEED IT, AND YOU HOPE THAT YOU DON'T NEED IT, AND YOUR TEAM THAT SURROUNDS YOU, YOU CAN JUST TELL HOW AMAZING OF A LEADER YOU ARE BY THE TEAM THAT YOU LEAD, AND I UNFORTUNATELY DID HAVE TO USE THE FIRE SERVICES WHEN MY DAD HAD A MEDICAL INCIDENT ON THANKSGIVING DAY THIS LAST YEAR, AND THE RESPONSIVENESS OF YOUR TEAM THE WHOLE TIME, I JUST KEPT THINKING CHIEF STARR WOULD BE SO PROUD, BUT YOU DO THIS EVERY DAY, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE SO GOOD AT WHAT YOU DID IN 27 YEARS ON THE JOB. IT JUST IS GOING TO BE TOUGH TO REPLACE YOU. IT REALLY IS FROM THE WORK PERSPECTIVE, BUT JUST THE HUMAN PERSPECTIVE, AND WHAT A GREAT GUY YOU ARE. SO SCOTT AND I BOTH HAVE, YOU KNOW, GREAT ADMIRATION FOR YOU, AND WE WISH YOU THE BEST, AND CONGRATS ON RETIREMENT. I'M ALSO VERY JEALOUS. YOU LOOK WAY TOO YOUNG TO RETIRE, BUT BUT GOD BLESS YOU AND IN YOUR NEXT STEPS IN LIFE. CHIEF STARR, I FIRST SAW YOU WHEN I WAS IN THE ACADEMY YEARS AND YEARS AGO. I THINK IT WAS THE THIRD OR FOURTH ACADEMY, WHEN WE WERE IN THE BUILDING OFF CARROLL, THAT YOU HAD TO BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO FALL THROUGH THE FLOOR WHEN YOU WERE WALKING BACK OUTSIDE. WAY BEFORE WE HAD CITY HALL, IT WAS, BUT YOU WERE ALWAYS THERE. YOU WERE NOT CHIEF THEN. THAT WAS PROBABLY IN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE 2000. I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS. IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ACADEMIES. ALWAYS HAD A SMILE ON YOUR FACE, ALWAYS KIND TO EVERYBODY IN THE ACADEMY, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT HAS BEEN REFLECTED THROUGHOUT YOUR CAREER. CONGRATULATIONS ON 27 YEARS AND I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. I KNOW YOU'RE TIRED OF HEARING IT, BUT YOU ARE YOUNG. ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT. I KNOW YOU WILL, AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE FOR THE CITY. THANK YOU. ARE YOU READY? OH, MAN. I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE YOUNG COMMENTS BECAUSE I SURE DON'T FEEL IT. I LOOK AT THE PICTURES AND I'M LIKE, MAN, I USED TO HAVE SO MUCH HAIR. NO. YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, FOR ME, I NEED TO THANK GOD FOR PUTTING ME IN THIS SITUATION AND THE OPPORTUNITY, AND YOU KNOW, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY--AMY QUIT--TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK FOR SOUTHLAKE AND BE A PART OF THIS GREAT ORGANIZATION, AND FOR ME, IT'S ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIPS, AS SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND THE FAMILIES AND HONESTLY, THE GREAT GROUP OF ELT AND EMPLOYEES HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. WE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT, BUT THEY DID THAT RIGHT. I WOULD JUST HAPPEN TO BE AT THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT, BUT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DID ALL THE WORK AND MADE US LOOK REALLY GOOD. SO IT WAS REALLY ABOUT WHAT THEY DID. I JUST HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THERE TO LEAD, BUT THANK YOU ALL. I WILL SEE YOU AROUND. I WILL STAY IN TOUCH. RANDY, I'LL DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, GOT TO STAY IN TOUCH AND CHECK ON YOUR SON AND CAROLINE. I'M NOT GOING TO LET HER GO. SHE'S LIKE FAMILY TO ME. SO BUT THANK YOU, GUYS, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT FROM THIS COUNCIL AND ALL THE COUNCILS. I'LL SAY THAT ABOUT SOUTHLAKE. THERE'S NEVER BEEN A TIME IN MY 16 YEARS AS FIRE CHIEF THAT I DIDN'T FEEL SUPPORTED FROM THIS COUNCIL AND THE PREVIOUS COUNCILS, AND THEY'VE JUST BEEN GREAT, AND MOST OF IT'S BEEN, ARE YOU SURE YOU GOT WHAT YOU NEED, AND EVERYBODY'S BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE. SO THAT FROM MY JOB, HONESTLY WAS EASY BECAUSE YOU GUYS SUPPORTED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY SO MUCH, AND THAT'S GREATLY APPRECIATED BY ALL OF US. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, CHIEF STARR. LET'S GIVE HIM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. NOW, BEFORE YOU GET SEATED, COME ON BACK. WE HAVE SOME GIFTS FOR YOU. BOTH OF YOU COME ON UP AND WE'LL HAVE A PICTURE. [00:57:03] ALL RIGHT. CHIEF STARR SAT THROUGH ENOUGH OF THESE MEETINGS. WE'LL EXCUSE HIM IF HE WANTS TO BAIL OUT ON US A LITTLE EARLY TONIGHT, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT, AND WELL DONE RECOGNIZING CHIEF STARR. NEXT UP IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA] WE DISCUSSED THOSE ITEMS DURING OUR WORK SESSION. ANY CHANGES OR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. LET'S TAKE A MOTION ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM KATHY TALLEY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS FOUR A THROUGH I OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS THE CONSENT AGENDA, NOTING THAT WE ARE ADDING ITEM SEVEN A, WHICH IS. LET ME GET TO IT. ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-817 ZA24-0029 FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 920 SOUTH CARROLL AVENUE ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 6A01 OBEDIAH W. KNIGHT SURVEY ABSTRACT 899, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS AND TRACT 1A05C J.W. HALE, SURVEY ABSTRACT 803, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 920 SOUTH CARROLL AVENUE AND 924 SOUTH CARROLL AVENUE, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 13TH, 2024, NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING THE ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FROM AG INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND OUR RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO SF-30 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND SEVEN. SEE. ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-7701B ZA24-0031 FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS GMI SOUTHLAKE ADDITION, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS AND LOCATED AT 350 TO 380 SOUTH NOLAN DRIVE. SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 13TH, 2024, SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED AUGUST 2ND, 2024. NOTING WE ARE APPROVING THE ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN FROM S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT TO S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT TO ADD A BEAUTY SALON SLASH WELLNESS SPA AS A PERMITTED USE TO THE CURRENT APPROVED ZONING DISTRICT, AND ITEM SEVEN D ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-819 ZA24-0032 FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 303 EAST HIGHLAND STREET ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 1F WILLIAM W HALL, SURVEY ABSTRACT 687 AND LOCATED AT 303 EAST HIGHLAND STREET. SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 13TH, 2024 CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED AUGUST 2ND, 2024. NOTING WE'RE APPROVING ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FROM AG AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO SF-20A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND SEVEN E ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-605D ZA24-0038 FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR 2813 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 1R BLOCK TWO WATERMERE ADDITION AND LOCATED AT 2813 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD. [01:00:03] SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 13TH, 2024. NOTING WE'RE APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FROM S-P-1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT TO S-P-1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT TO ADD A COMMERCIAL SCHOOL. TUTORING ACADEMY AS A PERMITTED USE TO THE CURRENTLY APPROVED ZONING DISTRICT ONLY IN SUITE 110, AS SHOWN ON THE PLAN. GOOD MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. CAST YOUR VOTES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND THAT MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, OUR PUBLIC FORUM. THE PUBLIC FORUM ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. SO IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON OUR AGENDA LATER THIS EVENING? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. OKAY, I WILL CLOSE OUR PUBLIC FORUM AND AS I INDICATED EARLIER, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER. [7.B. Ordinance No. 480-818, ZA24-0030, 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for Dakota's Southlake on property described as Tract 5B02, Samuel Freeman Survey Abstract 525, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 479 N. Kimball Ave. Current Zoning: "AG" Agricultural District Requested Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #4. ] WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH ITEM SEVEN B WHICH IS CASE NUMBER ZA24-0030. ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR DAKOTA STEAKHOUSE DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE ZONING ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 479 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE. THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THIS PROPERTY FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT TO ALLOW A RESTAURANT AS WELL AS AN EVENT CENTER. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY, AND A VIEW LOOKING IN AN EASTERLY DIRECTION ACROSS NORTH KIMBALL. THE PROPERTY IS IN THE MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORY, AND CURRENT ZONING, AS I MENTIONED, IS AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. PROPOSED ZONING IS S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT. THIS IS A PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN. IT PROPOSES A APPROXIMATELY 9000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT, ALONG WITH APPROXIMATELY 8100 SQUARE FOOT EVENT CENTER. THIS IS A TREE CONSERVATION PLAN. THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED IN THEIR ANALYSIS THAT THEY ARE, BY COVERAGE, ARE REQUIRED TO PRESERVE APPROXIMATELY 50% OF THE EXISTING COVERAGE AND IF THEY ARE DEFICIENT OF THAT, THEY WILL MITIGATE THAT THROUGH ADDITIONAL PLANT MATERIAL. THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE SITE FROM THE KIMBALL FRONTAGE. THIS WOULD BE AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER, AND THIS IS RENDERING OF INTERNAL OF THE SITE AROUND THE RESTAURANT. THIS IS A RENDERING LOOKING IN A SOUTHEASTERLY DIRECTION ACROSS THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES FROM THE SURROUNDING NOTICES THAT WERE SENT WITHIN 300FT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING VARIANCES FOR THE DRIVEWAY SPACING ALONG THE KIMBALL FRONTAGE, AS WELL AS REQUESTING A DEFERRAL OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS UNTIL A SITE PLAN IS BROUGHT FORWARD TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FIVE ZERO SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT AND GRANTING THOSE REQUESTS. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. NO QUESTIONS FOR ME. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS. IT LOOKS LOOKS LIKE AN ICONIC DESIGN. I KNOW THERE'S SOME DESIGN CUES FROM THE LOCATION IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS, BUT, AND WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WHILE DIRECTOR KILLOUGH IS UP HERE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN, SIR, AND IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TIM [INAUDIBLE]. I LIVE AT 4317 LARCHMONT STREET IN UNIVERSITY PARK IN DALLAS, TEXAS. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY BRING THIS CONCEPT OVER HERE WE HAVE DAKOTA STEAKHOUSE IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS. IT'S A 40 YEAR, ICONIC RESTAURANT THAT HAS SURVIVED THE TEST OF TIME. WE NOT ONLY THE RESTAURANT WILL BE GREAT, BUT WE WANT TO PUT SOMETHING OVER HERE THAT SOUTHLAKE, I THINK IS HUNGRY FOR EVEN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY TO BRING ADDITIONAL PEOPLE INTO SOUTHLAKE AND EXPERIENCE WHAT THE CITY HAS TO OFFER BY HAVING THIS EVENT SPACE [01:05:01] WHERE YOU CAN HAVE SOMEWHERE TO HAVE WEDDINGS, BIRTHDAYS, BAR MITZVAHS. IT IT WILL TRULY BE A NICE ADDITION TO CAPPING OFF THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR RIGHT THERE. THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB ACROSS THE STREET ON THAT DISTRICT 114 OR I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CALLING IT. SO WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN COMPLEMENT THAT AND WE'LL BRING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO MAKE GRAPEVINE PROBABLY A LITTLE UPSET WITH SOME OF THEIR STEAKHOUSES AND WHATNOT. SO WE'LL BRING A PRODUCT OVER HERE. THAT'LL BE THAT'LL BE GREAT. I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY ALSO, WE WILL BRING TO THE TABLE ABOUT 125 TO 150 NEW JOBS TO THE COMMUNITY BY DOING THIS. CURRENTLY DOWNTOWN, WE HAVE 80 PEOPLE THAT WORK IN A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT STEAKHOUSE. IT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE TO MAKE IT RUN. THE BANQUET SPACE WILL ADD THE ADDITION TO THAT. CURRENTLY WE'RE ONLY THINKING OF DOING THIS OPERATION AT NIGHT, SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE EASY ON THE TRAFFIC FLOW BECAUSE WE'LL BE ANYONE LEAVING THIS PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY AT THE RESTAURANT, IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY FROM SEVEN UNTIL 11 AT NIGHT WHEN THIS TRAFFIC'S BEEN DIMINISHED, BUT WE IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME OVER TO DALLAS. IT'S A STEAKHOUSE. IT'S DOWNTOWN, IT'S UNDERGROUND, AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD A LOT OF THOSE FEATURES TO IT. WE'VE GOT A GREAT ARCHITECT IN CHICAGO, DMAC ARCHITECTURE, AND I THINK YOU'LL BE EXCITED TO SEE THE NEXT ROUND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS ON WHAT IT'S REALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE, THE BONES OF IT AND EVERYTHING, AND I'M KIND OF SAD. THE FIRE CHIEF IS LEAVING. I'M SURE THERE'S A VERY COMPETENT INDIVIDUAL GOING INTO THAT JOB, SO I'M GLAD TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE AND SEE THAT HAPPEN, BUT IT'S IT SHOULD BE GOOD. IT SHOULD BE REAL GOOD. COMING TO SOUTHLAKE IF WE GET THIS OPPORTUNITY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. I AM. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT. WELL, I MEAN I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. SUPER EXCITED. SORRY. I'M SUPER EXCITED. I'M GUESSING YOU'RE PROBABLY FAVORING OPTION ONE OUT OF ALL THE OPTIONS THAT YOU I MEAN, YOU'RE STILL THINKING ABOUT IT REALISTICALLY. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS MORPH INTO THIS WAS LIKE PLAY-DOH THAT WE GAVE YOU, AND WE'RE GOING TO MORPH IT INTO SOMETHING. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO TAKE WE'LL GO THROUGH SCHEMATIC TIME, SCHEMATIC DESIGN 2 OR 3 TIMES AND FINALIZING THIS AND WE'LL GIVE WE'LL GET A UNANIMOUS VOTE ON WHATEVER WE END UP DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT FITS WITH THE PALETTE THAT YOU WOULD ENJOY SEEING OVER HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO, I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. WE REALLY NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I THINK THE EVENT SPACE ALONE MAKES A HUGE, HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR US AS SOUTHLAKE BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY. I MEAN, THERE ARE CHARITIES, SO MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED IN SO MANY DIFFERENT ENTITIES HERE THAT TAKE ALL THOSE ENTITIES SOMEWHERE ELSE TO HOST THEM, AND I WOULD TELL YOU THAT CURRENTLY THIS MONTH, JULY AND AUGUST, WE HAVE WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH THE BIRTHDAY PROJECT OVER IN DALLAS, AND WE'RE GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WAY WHERE WE'RE DOING FUNDER, WE'RE GIVING BACK $10 ON EVERY PERSON THAT EATS OFF THAT MENU IN THESE TWO MONTHS. I JUST SENT THEM A CHECK FOR CLOSE TO $5,000 FOR JULY. SO TO DO STUFF LIKE THAT, HERE IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE VERY VIABLE AND MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY. YEAH, I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. I MEAN, I LOVE THE LOW LIGHT. I LOVE THE KIND OF THE SUBTLETY OF THE RESTAURANT OUTSIDE VERSUS THE AMAZINGNESS OF IT INSIDE. YEAH, I'M ALSO REALLY EXCITED. I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TO DAKOTA'S IN DALLAS MORE THAN ONCE. I ENJOY IT, IT'S GREAT. IT'S DIFFERENT. I LIKE THE WHOLE UNDERGROUND THING. I REALLY LIKE THE WALL AND I DON'T THAT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING NORMALLY THAT I WOULD THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WALL ALL THE WAY UP. KIMBALL, BUT I THINK IT GIVES IT COOL CHARACTER, AND AS WE SEE MORE PLANS AND IT WILL BE, IT'LL BE FUN TO WATCH IT EVOLVE, BUT BUT YEAH, WE'RE EXCITED. IF WE CAN GET THIS HAPPENING, IT'D BE GREAT, AND WE'LL DEFINITELY BEAT GRAPEVINE. [CHUCKLING] YEAH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. A QUICK QUESTION, CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT JUST THE UNDERGROUND CONCEPT? WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE HISTORY BEHIND ALL THAT? YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE'RE NEXT TO A CHURCH HERE BECAUSE THE BAPTIST CHURCH OVER IN DALLAS, I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THAT. YOU PROBABLY SAW IT AND YOU PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE BAPTIST CHURCH OVER IN DALLAS CAUGHT ON FIRE ABOUT A MONTH AGO, PROBABLY THREE WEEKS AGO, AND IT WAS IT WAS PRETTY HORRIFIC THAT LAND, AND I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, BUT THE BAPTIST CHURCH OWNS MOST OF THE LAND IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS, BUT THE LAND [01:10:06] THAT WE SIT ON WAS PART OF THE CHURCH AND LINCOLN PROPERTIES WHEN THEY THEY DID THE ORIGINAL DESIGN ON THE RESTAURANT IN 1984. THEY WEREN'T GOING TO LET THEM BUILD IT AT STREET LEVEL AND SERVE ALCOHOL. SO THE VARIANCE WAS PUT IT UNDERGROUND AND YOU CAN SERVE ALCOHOL, AND THAT'S AN ORDINANCE THAT'S THROUGHOUT DALLAS ON GOING UNDERGROUND. SO THAT GAVE THEM THE ABILITY TO HAVE LIQUOR, BEER, WINE IN THE RESTAURANT. I'M GLAD I ASKED. THAT'S THE DEAL. PROBABLY SOME GOOD LAWYERS INVOLVED IN THAT. YEAH, SOMEBODY MADE A LOT OF MONEY, I'M SURE. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THIS IS A FIRST READING, SO THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. DOES ANYONE WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM SEVEN B? I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT JUST IN CASE. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. I THINK IT'S GOING WELL. SO, MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM SEVEN B? YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE OR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN B ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-818 ZA24-0030. FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR DAKOTA SOUTHLAKE PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACK 5B02 SAMUEL FREEMAN SURVEY ABSTRACT 525, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS AND LOCATED AT 479 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE. THIS IS SUBJECT TO STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 13TH, 2024 AND CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO, REVISED AUGUST 13TH, 2024, AND NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING A VARIANCE TO DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE NUMBER 634, AS AMENDED, REQUIRING A MINIMUM DRIVEWAY CENTERLINE SPACING OF 250FT ALONG AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY, AND THE PROPOSED SOUTH ROADWAY DRIVEWAY IS APPROXIMATELY 50FT FROM AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY, AND THE PROPOSED NORTH DRIVEWAY IS APPROXIMATELY 130FT FROM AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY. WE'D BE APPROVING THAT AND NOTING THAT THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FROM AG AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN TO DEVELOP A NEW RESTAURANT AND EVENT SPACE, AND THEN WE ARE APPROVING THE REQUEST TO DEFER THE FULL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS UNTIL THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ALL GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THAT MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES SIX ZERO. WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS FOR THE SECOND READING. THANK YOU. NEXT WE'RE GOING TO GO AGAIN OUT OF ORDER. [9.A. MSP24-0002, Master Sign Plan for Champions DFW Realty, LLC, located at 880 S. Village Center Dr., Southlake, Texas. ] WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ITEM NINE A CASE NUMBER MSP 24-0002A MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR CHAMPIONS DFW REALTY, LLC, LOCATED AT 880 SOUTH VILLAGE CENTER DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS A REQUEST TO ALLOW THREE UPPER STORY TENANT SIGNS ON A TWO STORY BUILDING, AS YOU STATED, LOCATED AT 880 SOUTH VILLAGE CENTER DRIVE. THE PROPOSAL WOULD MAKE PLACE FOR ONE SIGN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND TWO SIGNS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT FACE INTERIOR TO THE SITE. THIS IS A SITE SITE PHOTO AS IT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS THE PROPOSAL BEING MADE. THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS TO DEFINE A PERMITTED SIGN AREA ON THE UPPER FLOORS. IN THIS CASE, THIS WOULD BE THE UPPER PORTION OF THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE CASE OF THE TWO WESTERN SIGNS, THIS WOULD BE JUST ABOVE THE CEILING LEVEL AND SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR, OR THE FLOOR AREA OF THE SECOND FLOOR. THE REQUEST IS TO COMPLY WITH THE SIGN AREA REQUIREMENT, BUT PERMIT ANY LETTER OR LOGO HEIGHT WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THAT 30 INCH TALL BOX, AND THESE ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SIGNS. THE CURRENT SIGN ORDINANCE IN THEIR PROPOSAL. THIS IS A DETAIL OF THE NORTH SIGN AS IT WOULD SIT ON THE FACADE, AND DETAIL OF THE OTHER SIGNS. THE INTENT HERE I BELIEVE CHAMPIONS IS OCCUPYING SPACE AND THEY WOULD BE ON THE NORTH FACADE. THIS TENANT WOULD CURRENTLY BE LOCATED HERE, BUT THE INTENT IS, AS THE TENANT CHANGES, TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW A SIGN TO GO BACK IN THAT BLUE DEFINED AREA AND DETAILS OF THOSE. [01:15:05] ONCE AGAIN, SITE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND THESE ARE SOME ADJACENT SIGNS. THIS IS THE GMI SITE JUST LOCATED TO THE NORTH OR EXCUSE ME, SOUTHWEST, AND THIS IS THE ADJOINING BUILDING ACROSS THE PARKING LOT TO THE WEST OF THIS SITE THAT FACES BACK TOWARDS THE WEST FACADE OF THIS SITE. THIS IS THE MAGNOLIA OFFICE BUILDING. THE SIGN BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR ONE GRANTING THE UPPER STORY SIGNS AS PROPOSED WITHIN THE DEFINED SIGN AREA, BUT REQUIRING THAT EACH OF THOSE SIGNS COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE LETTER, LOGO, HEIGHT, AND OTHER CONDITIONS OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. DENNIS. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, SO THE TWO MOTIONS IN THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION. SO THEY APPROVED THE SIGNS, BUT NOT THE VARIANCES, BASICALLY? YES. THAT'S WHAT THE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS WERE? YES, THE FINAL MOTION IN WHICH THE BOARD AGREED UPON WAS JUST ELIMINATING ANY VARIANCE OTHER THAN PERMITTING THE UPPER STORY SIGN AS THEY WERE PROPOSED WITHIN THE DEFINED AREA BOX. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH BEFORE THE APPLICANT COMES UP? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN, AND AGAIN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS. MY NAME IS NICHOLAS KARAM. I LIVE AT 2604 PEBBLETON DRIVE, FORT WORTH, TEXAS, AND BASICALLY, WE'RE PREPARED TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE SIGN BOARD. WE FEEL THAT'S COMPARABLE AND FAIR. WELL, THAT WAS EASY. OKAY. DIDN'T EVEN USE THREE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THIS ITEM DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT SINCE THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NINE A. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING NINE A AND THAT MASTER SIGN PLAN? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ON ITEM NINE A. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON. OH GO AHEAD. I JUST I'M A LITTLE SENSITIVE TO SIGNS JUST AS A BUSINESS OWNER AND MY I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 16 INCHES VERSUS 30 OR 14 VERSUS 30. THAT'S DOUBLE THE SIZE, AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE PREPARED AND THEY'RE GOING TO ACCEPT IT, BUT A 14 INCH UPPER STORY SIGN, CAN THAT EVEN BE SEEN FROM SAY I MEAN, THAT'S NOT REALLY THAT BIG. I'M JUST WANTING TO THINK THAT THROUGH. I MEAN, I WAS PREPARED TO GO WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS ASKING FOR, RIGHT, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL. HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT WHAT'S REQUESTED SIGN ON THE GMI BUILDING THAT DENNIS JUST SHOWED US WAS LIKE 40 SOMETHING INCHES? YEAH. WASN'T IT DENNIS? I BELIEVE SO. I JUST I FEEL LIKE MAYBE THAT MIGHT NOT BE FAIR, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK IT'S VERY HARD AROUND HERE SOMETIMES TO FIND A BUILDING, AND I KNOW I'VE HEARD PEOPLE ON THE SIGN BOARD SAY THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE A GPS FOR. I HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE DIRECTIONALLY CHALLENGED, EVEN WHEN I HAVE A GPS AND I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING. I'M AFRAID I'M GOING TO GET IN AN ACCIDENT WHILE I AM TRYING TO FIND THE ADDRESS, AND ESPECIALLY IN A IN A CENTER LIKE THIS WHERE THERE'S MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, SIGNS ARE JUST SO WELCOMED AND I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE, AMY. GO AHEAD. YEAH, I THINK I ALWAYS LOOK AT THE OVERALL SIGN AREA. IF THEY'RE STAYING INSIDE, THE KIND OF REQUIRED AREA, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T PUT THE SIGN UP. I'D GO WITH WITH WHAT THEY ASKED FOR. HAVE YOU ALREADY BUILT THE SIGN? NO. OKAY, SO WE MIGHT PIVOT AND GO WITH AS REQUESTED RATHER THAN AS RECOMMENDED BY THE SIGN BOARD. I'M GOOD WITH THAT UNLESS YOU WANT 14 INCHES, I MEAN. ALL RIGHT, BUT IS THAT WAS THAT REQUESTED IN TONIGHT'S APPLICATION, DENNIS? OR DO WE NEED TO REVISE? WHAT THEY INDICATED TO US PRIOR TO THEIR PRESENTATION THIS EVENING WAS THE INITIAL REQUEST WAS STILL ON THE TABLE. SO IT IS WITHIN YOUR OPTION TO. OKAY. SO WITH THE MOTION WOULD BE CRAFTED AROUND THE PRESENTATION AS SHOWN AT P AND Z. [01:20:02] WELL YOU THIS HAS NOT BEEN MODIFIED SINCE P&Z. SO YOU CAN IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE REQUEST YOU CAN APPROVE IT AS PRESENTED. MAYBE EVEN JUST ADD IN SOME LANGUAGE. NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE SIGN BOARD RECOMMENDATION. IF THAT ADDS SOME CLARITY TO WHAT WE'RE DOING OR NOT DOING. I DON'T THINK I NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. I THINK WE JUST ARE APPROVING AS PRESENTED, WHICH IS THE SIGN BAND AREA FOR THREE UPPER STORY SIGN LOCATIONS FOR EXISTING AND FUTURE TENANTS AND FLEXIBILITY UP TO A 30 INCH LETTER IN LOGO HEIGHT. RIGHT? YES. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM NINE A. YOU NEED TO BUY A LOTTERY TICKET TONIGHT, SIR. [CHUCKLING] OKAY, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE WE APPROVE. ITEM NINE A, MSP 24-0002 MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR CHAMPIONS DFW REALTY LLC, LOCATED AT 880 SOUTH VILLAGE CENTER DRIVE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 13TH, 2024 AND NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING AS PRESENTED, THE SIGN BAND AREA FOR THREE UPPER STORY SIGN LOCATIONS TO ALLOW EXISTING AND FUTURE TENANTS FLEXIBILITY UP TO A 30 INCH LETTER AND LOGO HEIGHTS. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM NINE A, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES AND THAT MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES SIX ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS, AND YEAH, WE'RE NICER THAN THE SIGN BOARD GUYS, RIGHT? RIGHT. CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK. NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NINE B ANOTHER SIGN CAYCE MSP 24-0003. [9.B. MSP24-0003, Amendment to the Master Sign Plan for Methodist Southlake Hospital, located at 335 - 451 E. SH 114 and 1205 N. White Chapel Blvd., Southlake, Texas.] AN AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR METHODIST SOUTHLAKE HOSPITAL, LOCATED AT 335-451 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND 1205 NORTH WHITECHAPEL BOULEVARD HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THE FIRST PART OF THIS REQUEST IS TO REVISE THE TWO UPPER STORY SIGNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY INSTALLED ON THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING ON THE NORTH PORTION OF THE CAMPUS. THAT WOULD BE SIGNAGE IN PLACE OF THE NUMBERS 12 AND 13 HERE. THIS IS AN EXHIBIT SHOWING THE EXISTING SIGN AS IT'S INSTALLED ON THE LEFT AND THE PROPOSED SIGN ON THE RIGHT. THE EXISTING SIGN WAS CONSTRUCTED AND INSTALLED AT THE 36 INCH LETTER AND LOGO HEIGHT. THE ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN. STANDARD ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW UP TO 42 INCH LETTER HEIGHT AND 52.5 INCH LOGO HEIGHT, AND AS PROPOSED, IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 48.5 INCH LETTER HEIGHT AND 70 INCH LOGO HEIGHT, AND THIS IS THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND IT IS THE SAME, SAME REQUEST. THESE ARE SOME EXHIBITS OF WHERE CURRENT ENTRY SIGNS ARE LOCATED. THE SECOND PART OF THIS REQUEST IS TO INSTALL WHAT IS CONSIDERED AN OFFSITE MONUMENT SIGN. THESE ARE THEIR CURRENT MONUMENTS THAT ARE INSTALLED RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS OPTION ONE FOR THE OFF SITE MONUMENT SIGN, LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST INTERSECTION OF NORTH WHITE CHAPEL AND EAST HIGHLAND. OPTION ONE IS 11.5FT IN HEIGHT AND 15FT IN WIDTH. OPTION TWO, LOCATED IN THE SAME VICINITY, IS JUST OVER SEVEN FEET IN HEIGHT AND NINE FEET IN WIDTH, AND THESE ARE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT INTERSECTION AND LOCATION. THAT SIGN IS PROPOSED TO BE INSTALLED, AND GOING BACK TO THE OVERALL EXHIBIT. THIS IDENTIFIES OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY. THIS TIER OF LOTS HERE IS CURRENTLY ZONED SF ONE. IT'S IN AN OFFICE COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION AND HAS NOT BEEN INCORPORATED OFFICIALLY INTO THE ZONING OF THIS CAMPUS. THE SIGN ORDINANCE. IF THIS WERE ALL ENCOMPASSED WITHIN ONE DEVELOPMENT, WOULD ALLOW FOR WHAT'S CALLED A DEVELOPMENT MONUMENT THAT COULD, IF COMPLIANT WITH THE ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF HEIGHT AND WIDTH AND SIGN TYPE, COULD COULD BE PLACED IN THIS [01:25:02] LOCATION. HOWEVER, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT TECHNICALLY PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, ALTHOUGH COMMON OWNERSHIP DOES NOT MEET THAT REQUIREMENT AND IS THEREFORE CONSIDERED AN OFF SITE MONUMENT SIGN. THESE ARE JUST SOME OTHER PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING UPPER STOREY SIGNS AND OF THE INSTALLED AND FUTURE MONUMENT SIGNS. SOME OF THE OTHER SIGNAGE ON THE CAMPUS. SIGN BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FIVE ZERO, ALLOWING FOR THE CHANGE IN THE TWO UPPER STOREY SIGNS, BUT DENYING THE OFF SITE MONUMENT SIGN, AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH ANY QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT WAS THE RHETORIC WITH THE P AND Z ON THE DENIAL OF THE MONUMENT SIGN? MY MY GUESS IS PRIMARILY THE FACT THAT IT IS AN OFF SITE MONUMENT SIGN. IN THEIR VIEW, IT DID NOT. THERE'S SOME LEGISLATION THAT UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE CODE THAT REQUIRES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE TO GET PEOPLE TO AN EMERGENCY ROOM, THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT MET MET THAT CRITERIA, AND I THINK THAT WAS PRIMARY REASONING, BUT I AM SPECULATING, AND THEN, DENNIS, WOULD YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THIS SLIDE WHERE YOU'RE COMPARING THE OLD SIGN, THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING WITH THE NEW SIGN? NO. THAT ONE. IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING FROM TOO SMALL TO TOO BIG IN MY OPINION. WHAT'S THE ON THE NEW ON THE NEW SIGN? THE SIGN ORDINANCE PERMITS THEM TO GO 42IN, AND THEY'RE MAXING IT OUT TO 48.5 AND THEN THE LOGO IS JUST HUGE, AND I MEAN, I GET IT THAT IT'S A HOSPITAL. WE WANT PEOPLE TO SEE IT. SURE. I JUST NOW THINK IT LOOKS A LITTLE TOO LARGE. DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE WHOLE BUILDING? I WONDER HOW IT WOULD LOOK IN RELATION TO THE WHOLE BUILDING VERSUS RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDST OF THAT? BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A BIG BUILDING, ISN'T IT? RIGHT THERE TWO MORE SIDES OF THAT. I DON'T THINK I HAVE ONE WITH THE RIGHT THERE. THE PROPOSED SIGN. SO I THINK IT DOESN'T LOOK AS BIG THERE. IS THAT THE. IS THAT AN OVERLAY? TOP RIGHT. NO, NONE OF THESE ARE OVERLAYS. THESE ARE ACTUAL AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO. YEAH. IT'S JUST TAKING IT DIFFERENT DISTANCES SO YOU CAN GET THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE SIGN V ISIBILITY. I ALSO THINK THAT WHAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STREET. YEAH, AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING I WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO FIND IS A HOSPITAL, AND I GUESS ONE A PERSPECTIVE TO HAVE IS HOW BIG IS THE EVO SIGN AND I DO WANT PEOPLE TO COME TO OUR THEATER AND SPEND THEIR MONEY, BUT I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT YOU GO TO A HOSPITAL. YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO A HOSPITAL. SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT MYSELF, BUT THAT'S JUST MY PERSPECTIVE AND WITH [INAUDIBLE], YOU SAID THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT LEGISLATION WITH THE AMOUNT OF SIGNS GETTING PEOPLE TO ERS. SO DO THEY WANT MORE SIGNS? IT WASN'T SPECIFIC TO THAT, BUT WE PROVIDED THEM THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE DEFINITION WHICH I HAVE HERE. REGARDING DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE IN RELATION TO GETTING PEOPLE TO AN EMERGENCY ROOM AND JUST BASED ON THAT LANGUAGE, IT WASN'T APPARENT THAT THIS PARTICULAR SIGN WAS NECESSARY TO ACCOMPLISH. SO THIS WOULD BE IF THEY PRESENTED A SIGN, THIS WOULD BE WE COULDN'T DENY IT, PERIOD. SO THIS WE JUST USED THIS BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MEET OR THEY USED THIS BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. I MEAN, I THINK BECAUSE I THINK THE BIG ISSUE IS THE ERRS ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING HERE, AND PEOPLE ARE PULLING UP TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THEY'RE WALKING IN THE FRONT DOOR, AND ONCE THEY'RE IN THERE, THEY DON'T TELL THEM, OH, GO GET BACK IN YOUR CAR, DRIVE AROUND THE CORNER, GO TO THE ER FOR YOUR CHEST PAIN. THEY CALL SOMEONE FROM THE ER, THEY BRING A WHEELCHAIR IN AND THEY PUT THE WHEELCHAIR PATIENT IN THE WHEELCHAIR AND WHEEL THEM BACK TO THE ER. THAT CAN BE A SIX, EIGHT, TEN MINUTE PROCESS. IF SOMEONE'S HAVING AN MRI YOU HAVE 60 MINUTES DOOR TO BALLOON. IF YOU WASTE 15% OR MORE OF YOUR TIME SITTING AT THE FRONT LOBBY WAITING ON A WHEELCHAIR, I MEAN, THAT'S HEART MUSCLE. [01:30:03] SO I HAVE NO QUALMS WITH THE MONUMENT SIGN OR ANYTHING ELSE IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THAT PROPERTY. I MEAN, IT'S JUST TRASHED. SO I MEAN, IF NOTHING ELSE, I THINK THEY'LL CLEAN IT UP AND MAKE IT LOOK GOOD, AND PUT A SIGN POINTING THEM TO THE EMERGENCY ENTRANCE. YEAH, I THINK TO ME THIS IS A NO BRAINER. I MEAN, IT'S BENEFICIAL, AND WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN WHITECHAPEL AT THAT ROUNDABOUT AT HIGHLAND, YOU WOULD HAVE NO WAY TO KNOW TO TURN RIGHT. SAVE THAT TIME CRITICAL TIME, AND NOW I DO SUPPORT OPTION. I THINK IT'S BE THE SMALLER OPTION. I THINK A SEVEN FOOT MONUMENT IS PLENTY BIG ENOUGH TO GET YOUR ATTENTION. YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MISS IT. THE OTHER ONE I DON'T WANT THAT BIG ONE. I GUESS THE SIX FOOT. YEAH, SEVEN. THE SMALLER ONE. YEAH WHICHEVER THE SMALLER ONE WAS. YEAH. SIX. YEAH, THAT'S A BIG AREA. I JUST, I THINK THAT SIGN COULD GET LOST IN THOSE TREES AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THERE. SO I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH, WITH EITHER ONE, BUT IF THEY WANT 11, I'D GIVE THEM 11. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING FURTHER FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH OR SHOULD WE HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. THE APPLICANT HERE. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND IT'S ALL YOURS. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I'M BENSON CHACO. I LIVE AT 6912 MOZART, COLLEYVILLE, TEXAS. WE ARE HERE TODAY PRESENTING THE SIGNAGE PROPOSALS TO YOU ALL. FIRST TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNAGE ON THE MOB, THE PREVIOUS SIGNAGE THAT WAS ON THAT MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. VOICE ACTIVATED. THE PREVIOUS SIGN THAT WAS ON THERE, IF YOU RECALL, WAS SOUTHLAKE MEDICAL. IT WAS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. WE TOOK THE SOUTHLAKE MEDICAL OFF, PUT ON THE METHODIST, FOUND IT WAS TOO SMALL, AND SO GOING BACK TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE PREVIOUS TO METHODIST COMING OVER. SO THAT'S THE RATIONALE OF WHY WE WERE GOING TO THAT SIZE. THE PROPOSAL FOR THE ROUNDABOUT SIGNAGE, AS HAS BEEN INDICATED, AS WE'RE GROWING AS SOUTHLAKE'S COMMUNITY HOSPITAL, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A LOT MORE WALK IN VOLUME AND PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO THE FRONT OF THE HOSPITAL VERSUS THE BACK OF THE HOSPITAL. YOU KNOW, AS WE TOOK OVER THE HOSPITAL, IF METHODIST HAD BUILT THE HOSPITAL FROM THE GROUND UP, THE ED WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE FRONT, NOT IN THE BACK OF THE HOSPITAL, BUT SINCE WHERE IT IS, IT IS WHERE IT IS. WE JUST EXPANDED IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT. WE DID HAVE A PATIENT COME IN YESTERDAY MORNING THAT DID HAVE AN ACTIVE HEART ATTACK COMING IN THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR. THAT SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THE BACK DOOR. LUCKILY, OUR TEAM DID A GREAT JOB. DOOR TO BALLOON IN 50 MINUTES. SO WE BEAT THAT STANDARD OF 60 TO 90 MINUTES, AND SO THE TEAM DID A GREAT JOB, BUT THE QUESTION BECOMES AT NIGHT. RIGHT? SO JUST LIKE ANY OTHER HOSPITAL, THE FRONT DOORS ARE CLOSED FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, IF YOU CAN'T GET TO THE E.R. AT NIGHT, THERE COULD BE A CATASTROPHIC EVENT, AND SO THAT IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT MONUMENT SIGN AT THAT CORNER TO DIRECT TRAFFIC WHEN THEY'RE COMING NORTH ON WHITECHAPEL TO GO TO HIGHLANDS, TO THE BACK OF THE HOSPITAL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, CONCERNS? ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, BENSON. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S YOUR PROPERTY AND THE ROUNDABOUT'S BUSY. ARE YOU GOING TO KIND OF CLEAN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT VERSUS JUST PUTTING THE SIGN IN THE BUSHES? YEAH, IT'S JUST HARD TO IMAGINE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW. YEAH, IT IS DEFINITELY WE WHEN WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, I THINK THERE WAS A HOUSE ON THERE BEFORE AND IT WAS TAKEN DOWN. WE'LL DEFINITELY CLEAN IT UP TO MAKE IT LOOK NICER. IT'LL BE AN ILLUMINATED SIGN, AND WE CAN WORK TO HAVE SOME LANDSCAPING AROUND THERE AS WELL, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S NOT TRASHED. I KNOW YOU WILL. I KNOW YOU WILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I GUESS IS THERE IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT IS NOT IN FAVOR OF THE LARGER ONE THEY'VE REQUESTED FOR THE MONUMENT SIGN. YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH EITHER ONE. OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH THE LARGER SIZE. OKAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M OUTNUMBERED HERE. I STILL THINK, I MEAN, NO COMPROMISE NECESSARY. IF YOU LOOK AT THESE RENDERINGS. I MEAN, LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF THE MAN NEXT TO THE 11 FOOT SIGN. I MEAN, THAT IS A MASSIVE SIGN. SO THE SIGNS THAT WE DID PROPOSE ARE EXACTLY WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED ON EXISTING ON THE CAMPUS, AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT SIGN WHERE WE HAVE THE FRONT OF THE HOSPITAL, THAT'S OPTION ONE, AND THEN OPTION TWO IS THE EXISTING SIGNAGE ON THE BACK. SO IT'S ALREADY ON CAMPUS AS WELL. SO BY 114 IS THE 11FT. YES, SIR. OKAY. RANDY, I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU FROM A MOM'S PERSPECTIVE. I REMEMBER BEFORE WE HAD A BEFORE WE HAD A HOSPITAL IN IN TOWN AT MIDNIGHT. I AM TAKING MY SON INTO FORT WORTH, TRYING TO FIND THEIR EMERGENCY ROOM, AND BELIEVE ME, AS I GOT A KID IN THE CAR WHO WAS VOMITING, AND I'M TRYING TO FIND [01:35:02] IT, YOU WANT A BIG SIGN. SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL. SO ANYWAY, THERE'S A MOM'S PERSPECTIVE. YOU DON'T THINK YOU COULD HAVE SEEN A SEVEN FOOT TALL SIGN ON THE CORNER? [CHUCKLING] PERHAPS THE OPHTHALMOLOGIST IS IN ORDER. [CHUCKLING] WELL, MY EYES ARE OLDER THAN YOURS, BUT YOU MIGHT GET THERE. DON'T FORGET THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO, HEY, I'M NOT GOING TO FALL ON MY SWORD. IF YOU GUYS WANT 11, GO FOR 11. GOOD. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. SO I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. [INAUDIBLE] PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT. YEAH. ON THE RENDERING ON THIS ON THE SMALLER ONE IF WE DO GO WITH THE SMALLER SIGN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A BIG DEAL, BUT THE ARROW IS SHOWN INCORRECTLY ON THE SMALLER SIGN. IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE BY THE Y? YEAH. SO JUST AS A NOTE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IS IT CORRECT ON THE LARGER ONE THOUGH BECAUSE THAT'S THE LARGER ONE IS CORRECT. THEN YOU'RE GOOD IS CORRECT. WE'RE OKAY THEN. RANDY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S VOTING AGAINST. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR AN ITEM THAT I OPPOSE JUST SO YOU KNOW. [CHUCKLING] ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. THIS ITEM DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING AN ITEM REGARDING ITEM NINE B THE SIGN PLAN FOR THE SOUTHLAKE HOSPITAL. ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK? GOING ONCE. GOING TWICE. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. SO, MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, IF WE'LL HAVE A MOTION. YOU BET. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. ITEM NINE B MSP 24-0003 AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR METHODIST SOUTHLAKE HOSPITAL, LOCATED AT 335 TO 451 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND 1205 NORTH WHITECHAPEL BOULEVARD, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 13TH, 2024, AND NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING THE VARIANCES REQUESTED TO INCREASE SIGN SIZE FOR SIGNS 12 AND 13, AS NOTED, AND APPROVING THE OFFSITE MONUMENT SIGN THAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT. OPTION ONE, WHICH IS THE LARGER OPTION. GOOD, DENNIS. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THAT MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES SIX ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN CITY COUNCIL BEING NICER ON THE SIGNS THAN THE SIGN BOARD. THANK YOU BENSON. ALL RIGHT. AGAIN GOING OUT OF ORDER. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO ITEM SIX A AND SIX B AND WE'LL TAKE THOSE TOGETHER. [Items 6.A. & 6.B.] LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE ZONING CHANGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BRUMLOW EAST. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. FIRST ITEM ON THIS IS TO AMEND THE LAND USE PLAN, TAKING IN A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY THAT IS INDUSTRIAL AND FLOODPLAIN LAND USE, AND THEN CHANGING THAT INDUSTRIAL COMPONENT TO MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION. SECOND PART OF THIS REQUEST IS CHANGING ZONING OF THE PROPERTY FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO TRANSITION DISTRICT. THIS IS THE CURRENT LAND USE PLAN. THE PERIMETERS OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF BRUMLOW AND CONTINENTAL ARE DESIGNATED FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY IS PRIMARILY DESIGNATED FOR INDUSTRIAL LAND USE DEVELOPMENT. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD CHANGE THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY TO THE MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORY. THIS IS THE GENERAL RECOMMENDED MIX OF THE MIXED USE LAND LAND USE CATEGORY WITH REGARD TO OFFICE, RETAIL, RESTAURANT, RESIDENTIAL. HOWEVER, IT'S INTENDED TO BE VERY FLEXIBLE. THIS IS THE CURRENT ZONING MAP OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS ALL ZONED AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. AS STATED, THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THIS TO TRANSITION DISTRICT. THIS IS A VIEW OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE CONTINENTAL FRONTAGE LOOKING IN AN EASTERLY DIRECTION. THIS IS TEALWOOD TO THE RIGHT, AND THIS IS A VIEW FROM BRUMLOW FRONTAGE AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER LOOKING IN A EASTERLY DIRECTION. THIS IS THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE JUNE 4TH MEETING. THIS PROPOSAL RECOMMEND OR PROPOSE 56 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS, ALONG WITH THE PLUS OR MINUS 71,000FT² OF OFFICE WAREHOUSE MIX ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION, AND [01:40:07] THIS IS THE PREVIOUS PRESENTED LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND THIS IS THE REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE PRIMARY CHANGES OCCURRING HERE IS THIS TIER OF LOTS HAS BEEN INCREASED IN WIDTH FROM ROUGHLY 50FT TO 60FT, AND THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF THESE ARE ALL 10,000 SQUARE FOOT OR MORE. CONFIGURATION OF THE LOTS AT THIS L CORNER AND THE PROPERTY HAS CHANGED TO WHERE PREVIOUSLY THERE WERE SEVERAL LOTS, A FEW LOTS THAT ABUTTED THE SIDE YARD OF THE ADJOINING LOT ON THE NORTH SOUTH STREET AND WITH THE EXPANDED LOT SIZE AND WIDTH, THOSE LOTS HAVE BEEN ROTATED TO FACE OUT TOWARDS THE OPEN SPACE, AND IT LIMITS THE ABUTTING REAR YARDS ON ONE OF THE ADJOINING LOTS TO THE WEST OF THAT. THE OVERALL RESIDENTIAL LOTS PROPOSED ON THIS PLAN IS 53 LOTS. PREVIOUS WAS 56. THE DENSITY UNDER THE PREVIOUS PLAN WAS APPROXIMATELY 1.7 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, AND THIS PROPOSAL IS APPROXIMATELY 1.6 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN REVISED, AND TREE COVERAGE AND CONSERVATION. DRAINAGE PLAN, AND SOME OF THE PROPOSED HOUSING PRODUCT. THESE ARE THE EXAMPLES INCLUDED FOR THE NONRESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. THIS IN THE UPPER LEFT WOULD BE THE OFFICE COMPONENT, AND ON THE LOWER RIGHT WOULD BE THE WAREHOUSE OFFICE COMPONENT. THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED IN THEIR NARRATIVE THAT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THESE WOULD WOULD BE COMPATIBLE AND COMPREHENSIVE WHEN SITE PLANS ARE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR THAT NONRESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, WHICH I MIGHT ADD, THAT PORTION OF THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL BY P&Z AND CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO GOING TO CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS THE NOTICE AREA MAP. OVERALL RESPONSES THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, THIS GOES OUTSIDE OF THE 300 FOOT AREA IS TOTAL OF FOUR IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM 55 OPPOSED AND SEVEN UNDECIDED AND WORKING BACK INWARD OF THAT TOTAL EIGHT EIGHT OF THOSE WITHIN THE 300 FOOT AREA ARE OPPOSED, AND TWO WERE IN FAVOR, AND THEN NARROWING DOWN TO THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION, WHICH THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT AREA CAN HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE VOTE REQUIREMENT. THERE ARE SEVEN OPPOSED AND TWO IN FAVOR. THE CURRENT OPPOSITION IN PLACE IS APPROXIMATELY 6.5% OF THE SURROUNDING 200 FOOT NOTICE AREA. AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, P&Z RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FIVE ZERO SUBJECT TO THE REPORT AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW, AS WELL AS NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC CALMING ON THE NORTH SOUTH STREET SECTION AND AT THE ULTIMATE. FIRST READING OF THE OF THIS ITEM. THIS ITEM WAS APPROVED. BOTH ITEMS WERE APPROVED FIVE TWO APPROVAL GRANTED TO THE LAND USE CHANGE GOING FROM INDUSTRIAL TO MIXED USE, AND THEN APPROVAL FIVE TWO GRANTED TO THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN, DIRECTING THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF ON LANGUAGE REGARDING ADJACENCY TO THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL CENTER TO THE SOUTH, AND ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO COME BACK AT SECOND READING WITH MORE DETAIL WITH REGARD TO LANDSCAPE PLAN WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN, AND ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANT. [01:45:04] HAD AGREED TO LOOK AT OPTIONS TO BE PRESENTED RELATED TO CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD AND HOW TO BEST HANDLE DECELERATION AND ACCESS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND AT YOUR SECOND READING, THERE WAS AN INITIAL MOTION MADE THAT DID NOT. THAT DID NOT PASS. IT WAS A 3-3 VOTE ON THE SIX B ITEM, AND THAT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY TABLED TO THE AUGUST 6TH AND THEN AGAIN TO THE AUGUST 20TH. THIS EVENING, AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR REVISIT ANY ITEMS YOU WOULD LIKE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH AT THIS TIME? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION, AND IF YOU'D LIKE, I'LL BE GLAD TO OPEN THAT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME ON DOWN, AND WE'LL GET STARTED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION, AND YOU KNOW THE DRILL. IF YOU'D STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. MARTIN SHILLING, 2665 NORTH WHITECHAPEL BOULEVARD, SOUTHLAKE TEXAS, 76092. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF OUR APPLICATION. SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE. I'LL DO A LITTLE RECAP TONIGHT. WE'VE GOT A FULL DECK OF ALL THE SLIDES. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM ALL, BUT IF WE WANT TO GO BACK AND REFERENCE ANY OF THEM WE'LL HAVE THEM IN THE PRESENTATION. FROM THE LAST MEETING, WE ADJUSTED THE PLAN, AND WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE PRUDENT AND PRODUCTIVE IF WE HELD A MEETING FOR THE NEIGHBORS. SO WE GOT THE RESPONSE CARDS. WE SENT AN INVITATION TO EVERYONE WHO HAD APPLIED OR HAD PROVIDED A CELL PHONE NUMBER, WHICH WAS 38 PEOPLE, I BELIEVE. SO WE HAD A MEETING ON MONDAY, THE AUGUST THE 8TH, AND WE RENTED A ROOM AT LEGACY HALL. WHEN YOU READ THE RESPONSE CARDS, THERE'S TWO ITEMS THAT ARE ON A RESPONSE CARD PREDOMINANTLY, AND ONE WAS DRAINAGE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ADDRESSED IN THAT MEETING. SO I'M GOING TO START THERE. YOU'VE SEEN THIS MAP AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. THE DRAINAGE COMES TO US FROM THREE DIRECTIONS. IT COMES FROM THE NORTH. IT COMES TO THE EAST AND THE WEST. SO IT ALL COMES TO THIS. WE ARE GOING TO DISCHARGE THROUGH THE SERVICE CENTER PROPERTY, AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH NUSTAR AND GOES TO 126 AND INTO GRAPEVINE, EVENTUALLY DOWN TO BIG BEAR CREEK, BUT A LOT OF THE RESPONSE CARDS WERE ABOUT WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT DRAINAGE. I MEAN, WE'RE ALL DOWNSTREAM AND I BRING THIS ONE UP BECAUSE AT THE VERY TOP IN THAT CIRCLE, THAT DA TWO, IT IS DRAINAGE AREA TWO. THAT'S 223 ACRES OF PROPERTY THAT'S NORTH OF US THAT DRAINAGE IS ALL COMING THROUGH US. NOW, EARLIER THIS YEAR, IN APRIL OR MAY, THE WATER TOPPED CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD, AND SO PEOPLE GET EXCITED ABOUT THAT, BUT THE REASON THAT TOPS CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD IS IN THIS AREA IS A DRAINAGE STRUCTURE THAT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO LET THE WATER GO THROUGH THAT CAN HANDLE THE 223 ACRES, BUT WE HAVE TO DESIGN FOR THAT 223 ACRES AS THOUGH IT'S COMING TO US EVENTUALLY AT SOME TIME. THAT DRAINAGE STRUCTURE IS GOING TO GET IMPROVED TO THE PROPER SIZE. THAT WATER IS GOING TO COME TO US. SO I THINK IN OUR MEETING WHEN WE TALKED THROUGH THIS, I THINK WE DEMONSTRATED THAT THE DRAINAGE IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO CAUSE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM. ONE, WE HAVE TO HIRE A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER TO DO A DRAINAGE PLAN, DO A HYDRAULIC STUDY THAT GOES TO THE CITY. THE CITY REVIEWS IT, SENDS IT OFF TO YOUR CONSULTING ENGINEER. THEY REVIEW IT, WHATEVER COMMENTS COMES BACK. SO I'M HOPING THAT WE HAVE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION AND THAT CONCERN, BUT WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY 100% WITH THE CITY'S DRAINAGE ORDINANCE. WE'RE DOWNSTREAM. WE CAN'T MAKE THE WATER GO UPSTREAM. YOU KNOW, AN ENGINEER. IT'S ALL MATH AND SCIENCE. IT'S KIND OF BLAND FOR THEM. FOR US, WE DEAL WITH AS DEVELOPERS. WE DEAL WITH IT ALL THE TIME. IT'S MORE LOGIC AND PRACTICAL. UNFORTUNATELY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT AROUND DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS, HYDRAULICS. IT CAN BE CONFUSING, AND THEN A LOT OF TIMES IT'S EMOTIONAL. SO I THINK WE WENT THROUGH THAT AND I BELIEVE EVERYBODY WELL I THINK AT THE MEETING, I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE PROCEDURES TO HANDLE THE DRAINAGE, AND SINCE WE'RE DOWNSTREAM FROM EVERYBODY, THE PEOPLE UPSTREAM AREN'T GOING TO GET AFFECTED. [01:50:02] SO OF COURSE, THE NEXT ONE, WHICH YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF IS THE TRAFFIC AND IT'S REALLY THE EXISTING TRAFFIC, AND FROM OUR STANDPOINT, THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THE EXISTING TRAFFIC. AS A DEVELOPER WE DON'T BUILD THOROUGHFARES, WE PAY ROADWAY IMPACT FEES, WHICH GO TO THE CITY THAT GOES INTO A BUCKET TO BUILD THOROUGHFARES, BUT I THINK THE ONE THING THAT AND THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS PLAN THAT YOU SAW, AND I'LL GET TO THE OTHER ONE BUT THIS PARTICULAR PLAN VERSUS WHAT WE COULD DEVELOP UNDER THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, THE TRAFFIC GENERATED FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT IS 55% LESS THAN IF WE BUILT THE ENTIRE PROJECT I NDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONE THING WE CAN DO IN THIS SITUATION IS BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S LESS INTENSE, BUT AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING, BUT I BELIEVE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THE THOROUGHFARES OTHER THAN BE A PASTURE, WHICH EVERYBODY WOULD PREFER TO BE A PASTURE, BUT THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL FOR US. IT'S A VERY VALUABLE ASSET. IT'S NOT EARNING MONEY, IT'S COSTING US MONEY, AND IT'S SITTING THERE FOR 40 YEARS. IT'S REALLY TIME TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PARTICULAR ASSET. SO AGAIN, WE I TEXT EVERYBODY IT WAS FROM MY PHONE, SO I HAD SOME DIALOG BACK AND FORTH WITH SOME PEOPLE. I SENT A SITE PLAN OFF TO A GENTLEMAN, AND THERE WAS ONE LADY THAT RESPONDED BACK TO ME. SHE HAD A CONFLICT IN THE MEETING. I'M NOT GOING TO. IF SHE'S HERE, SHE CAN SAY HER NAME, BUT HER TEXT MESSAGE TO ME WAS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REACHING OUT AS A RESIDENT, WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE DEVELOPERS REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE A CONFLICT TOMORROW, BUT WE'LL HAVE SEVERAL NEIGHBORS WHO WILL BE GOING. I'M ALL FOR DEVELOPING THE LAND INTO RESIDENTIAL HOMES. I'M NOT AGAINST SOME LEVEL OF DENSITY, BUT WANT TO ENSURE THE ROADS AND DRAINAGE ARE BAKED INTO THE PLAN AND NOT AN AFTERTHOUGHT. SOUTHLAKE NEEDS MORE FAMILIES TO BRING IN MORE KIDS TO OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT TO SUPPORT FUNDING AND ENROLLMENT. SO BIG PICTURE. IT'S A GOOD THING, AND SHE SAID, I HOPE THAT HELPS, AND I REPLIED BACK TO HER, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU, BUT THERE AGAIN, THE TWO THINGS DRAINAGE AND TRAFFIC. SO THAT WAS THE COMMON THEME GOING THROUGH THERE. OKAY. SO I'M JUST GOING TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE EVOLUTION OF THIS. YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, BUT THIS WAS THE FIRST PLAN THAT WE HAD THAT WAS ALL RESIDENTIAL. WE TOOK IT TO STAFF AND STAFF CAME BACK AND SAID, WE REALLY WANT A MEANINGFUL BUFFER BETWEEN THE SERVICE CENTER AND YOUR RESIDENTIAL, YOUR PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL LOTS. SO WE PUT IN THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT ON THE BOTTOM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE EAST SIDE, WE HAD 11 LOTS OVER THERE. SO TALKING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, WE CAME BACK AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT MAKES SENSE IS WE PUT TWO ESTATE LOTS OVER THERE, SO WE REDUCED IT DOWN, AND THIS IS THE PLAN THAT YOU SAW A FEW WEEKS AGO. DENNIS TOUCHED ON, AND THIS IS AND SO THIS IS AND THAT SHOWS THE AREA, THIS PLAN HERE IS THE PLAN WE'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT IN CONTEXT WITH THE AREA THAT'S AROUND US. SO THIS IS A BIGGER BLOW UP OF IT AND THIS IS WHAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND THEN THIS IS WHAT DENNIS HAD TALKED ABOUT. COUNCILMEMBER LEPP HAD ASKED US ABOUT AT THE NORTH, BECAUSE OF THE OFFSET BETWEEN THE TEALWOOD LOT AND OUR LOT, AND SO WE CLIPPED THAT CORNER. SO THOSE TWO LOT LINES WOULD LINE UP. COUNCILMEMBER ROBBINS WAS ASKING ABOUT THE THREE LOTS THAT BASICALLY RUN NORTH AND SOUTH IN HERE IN THE SETBACK BETWEEN THEM. SO WHEN WE CHANGED THAT ROW OF LOTS TO ALL 10,000, THEN WE'VE GOT A 40 FOOT NO BUILD AREA IN HERE. SO NOW THESE LOTS ALL FACE OUT TO THE OPEN SPACE, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT SAME IF YOU CALL IT A CONFLICT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT SAME SITUATION THERE. THIS IS JUST A BLOW UP OF THE LANDSCAPING IN THE OPEN SPACE, AND THEN THIS IS A THIS IS FROM NORTH PARK. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THE IN OUR SITUATION THAT STREET THAT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH. THIS SIDEWALK WILL BE IN A SIMILAR SITUATION. THERE WILL BE A SLOPE THAT WILL GO DOWN AND THEN THE BOTTOM WILL BE A FLAT AREA AREA THAT CAN BE USED, BUT IT WILL RESEMBLE A LOT LIKE NORTH LAKE. SO ONE OF THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT I INVITED TO THE MEETING ON THE EIGHTH, HE [01:55:09] WANTED TO SEE A SITE PLAN. SO I SENT HIM THIS SITE PLAN AND HIS COMMENT BACK TO ME WAS HE ASKED HOW THE MEETING WENT AND I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD DIALOG. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE MEETING, AND WE TALKED ABOUT NOT JUST OUR PLAN, BUT THE CONNECTION FOR THE FUTURE, [INAUDIBLE] AND TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND ALL THAT. SO IT WAS REALLY MORE OF A DISCUSSION THAN THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU DOING AS A DEVELOPER AND WE DON'T LIKE IT OR WHATEVER, BUT WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID BACK TO ME WAS AFTER I SAID THE PLAN, HE SAID, I GUESS I JUST WISH THE LOTS WERE A BIT BIGGER, AND I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE, I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE QUALITY OF THE CONSTRUCTION THERE, THE QUALITY OF THE BUILDINGS WE'RE GOING TO DO. YOU CAN PUT A REALLY, REALLY HIGH QUALITY HOME ON A LOT THAT'S NOT A HALF ACRE, AND I THINK WE GET BOGGED DOWN IN LOT SIZE, AND WE, WE REALLY CAN DO SOME NICE CONSTRUCTION ON THESE HOUSES, AND WHAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME IS CRESCENT ROYALE. IT'S REALLY SOUGHT AFTER NEIGHBORHOOD IN TOWN, AND IT WAS REALLY TASTEFULLY DONE THERE ON 50 AND 60 FOOT LOTS AND THE GUYS WHO BUILT THOSE, I DON'T KNOW, THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE OFFENDED IF I CALLED THEM THE OLD TIMERS, MAYBE THEY ARE THE LEGACY GUYS, BUT THAT WAS THE FRANK RITZ, THAT WAS KENNY ANDERSON, THAT WAS KENNETH PRESLEY, BRAD BARRINGTON, SCOTT SIMMONS, REST IN PEACE. SO THOSE GUYS BUILT THAT, AND THEY REALLY I MEAN, THOSE ARE CUSTOM REALLY NICE HOUSES. SO AND I DIDN'T MENTION ANY NAMES, BUT I HAVE STATED BEFORE THAT OUR INTENT IS TO USE LOCAL CUSTOM BUILDERS TO BUILD THE SUBDIVISION. SO I REALLY THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEFINITION. SO THE TWO OF THE BUILDERS THAT I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ARE MAYKUS HOLMES AND WILLOW TREE. NOW THEY HAVE A DESIRE TO BUILD THE LOTS. WE LIKE THEM. WE HAVE A DESIRE TO CONTRACT WITH THEM AND BUILD THEM AND SELL THEM THE LOTS. WE'RE A LITTLE EARLY TO GO TO PAPER ON THE DEAL. I MEAN, WE'RE 24 TO 30 MONTHS BEFORE I CAN DELIVER THEM A LOT, BUT IT'S OUR INTENTION TO USE LOCAL CUSTOM BUILDERS, AND LAST WEEK, PAT GRAY CALLED ME AND PAT JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD YOU GOT THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING AND ALL THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ROOM, I'D BE INTERESTED IN BEING IN THERE, AND I'VE KNOWN PAT FOR YEARS, AND I SAID, PAT, I'VE TALKED TO WILLOW TREE AND I'VE TALKED TO MAYKUS. WE HAVEN'T MADE A DEAL, BUT WE HAVE TALKED THAT WE LIKE EACH OTHER. WE THINK IT'D BE COMPATIBLE. WE'VE ALWAYS SAID, IS IT A ONE BUILDER TWO BUILDER THREE BUILDER DEAL. I THINK IT'S FOR SURE A TWO BUILDER DEAL. IF WE COULD COLLECTIVELY COME TO AN AGREEMENT AS A SELLER AND BUILDERS. WOULD ALL THREE WORK? MAYBE. THERE'S A MIX WHEN YOU PUT BUILDERS IN A SUBDIVISION, THEY GOT TO BE SOMEWHAT COMPATIBLE BECAUSE TWO IS OKAY, YOU GET THREE, THEN YOU GOT POLITICS. SO WE THERE'S A DIALOG GOING AND YOU KNOW, NONE OF THOSE GUYS ARE GOING TO BE OUT OF BUSINESS I KNOW THAT, BUT IF I STOOD HERE TODAY AND SAID IT'S GOING TO BE MAYKUS AND WILLOW TREE, AND WHEN IT COMES TIME TO DELIVER LOTS, THEY'RE COVERED UP BECAUSE THEY DID ANOTHER PROJECT OR THEY OR THE MARKET'S NOT GOOD, AND THEY SAID, I JUST CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH VELOCITY IN THE MARKET. I CAN'T MAKE THAT COMMITMENT, BUT IT'S OUR INTENT TO USE THE LOCAL GUYS, ASSUMING THAT 24 TO 30 MONTHS FROM NOW THAT THE MARKET'S GOOD INTEREST RATES ARE GOOD, THE VELOCITY OF SALES IN TOWN, BUT THAT'S OUR INTENTION. SO THE RENDERINGS WE HAD BEFORE I BASICALLY BORROWED FROM THE INDUSTRY, BUT THESE ARE RENDERINGS THAT THESE GUYS HAVE PROVIDED US, AND, YOU KNOW, 24 MONTHS, 30 MONTHS FROM NOW, MAYBE SOME OF THIS ARCHITECTURE CHANGES, BUT MY POINT IS IT'S THE QUALITY OF HOME THAT THEY'RE OF THOSE GUYS BUILD, AND SO THESE RENDERINGS ARE JUST REPRESENTATIVE OF THE QUALITY THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO BE BUILT IN THE SUBDIVISION, AND I PUT THIS IN HERE. THIS SUBDIVISION WAS BUILT ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO AND THEY'RE ON 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS AND THE LIKE. [02:00:06] OUR PROPOSAL THE GARAGE IS RECESSED FIVE FEET, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE HERE IS TEN YEARS FROM NOW, THIS IS WHAT THESE HOUSES AS FAR AS LANDSCAPE AND MATURITY COULD LOOK LIKE. SO THE TREES HAVE GROWN IN. THE LANDSCAPE IS GROWING IN, AND THERE'S A SECOND ONE HERE THAT JUST SHOWS TWO HOUSES SIDE BY SIDE. YOU KNOW, THE GARAGE RECESSED. WHEN YOU DO THE STREETSCAPE, YOU SEE MORE OF THE FRONT ELEVATION THAN THE GARAGE DOOR. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE HERE. SO AT OUR LAST MEETING THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT RECONFIGURING THE LOTS AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD, AND THAT THE DENSITY ALONG CONTINENTAL IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE DENSITY COULD BE LIKE WHERE THE 50 FOOT LOTS ARE. WE STILL THINK IT'S REALLY THERE'S A NEED FOR THE 50 FOOT LOTS. WE THINK THERE'S A DEMAND. THERE'S A PRICE POINT FOR IT, BUT ON CONTINENTAL, THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS ADJACENT TO CONTINENTAL, WE THINK MAKES SENSE. YOUR VIEW CORRIDOR WHEN YOU'RE GOING ON CONTINENTAL WILL BE LOOKING DOWN THE GREEN SPACE, THE OPEN SPACE, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. SO WE THINK THAT WAS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO MODIFY THE PLAN. WE HAD SIX 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS NEXT TO TEALWOOD AND NOW WE HAVE 20. THEY ALL LOOK OUT ON THE OPEN SPACE. I THINK I THINK IT'S A GOOD POSITION FOR THOSE TO BE IN. SO PER THE TZD ZONING CATEGORY, THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN, THE DENSITY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS 1.61 LOTS PER ACRE. I HAD BEEN ASKED TO NET OUT THE COMMERCIAL, SO JUST TAKE THE COMMERCIAL PIECE OF IT, AND THEN WHAT IS YOUR OPEN SPACE DIVIDED OUT OVER THE LOTS? NOW, WHEN I WAS AT THE MEETING, I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT MY MATH IS NOT VERY GOOD AT THE MEETING WE HAD AT LEGENDS HALL. I TOLD THOSE PEOPLE THAT THE DENSITY WAS 2.03 UNITS TO THE ACRE. WELL, THAT WAS MY MATH. CURTIS WENT BACK WITH HIS CAD AND DID ALL THAT, AND WHATEVER HE DOES TO CALCULATE ALL THAT. SO THE DENSITY WITH THE COMMERCIAL LOTS TAKEN OUT IS 1.95 UNITS TO THE ACRE. SO IF WE JUST TAKE FROM THIS PIECE HERE AND DOWN AROUND AND YOU TAKE THAT ACREAGE OUT, SUBTRACT IT, THAT'S WHAT THE DENSITY IS. TEALWOOD IS THREE UNITS TO THE ACRE. IF YOU GO OVER TO WARWICK GREEN, WHICH IS A SUBDIVISION JUST ON THE WEST SIDE OF BRUMLOW. IT'S 2.55 UNITS TO THE ACRE. SO THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AT UP AND DOWN CONTINENTAL. YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND TWO. SO WE'RE COMING IN AT 1.95. SO WE'RE MAKING WE'RE MAKING AN EFFORT TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE HOPEFULLY OUR NEIGHBORS CAN I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO SUPPORT US, BUT BUT MAYBE LIVE WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND HOPEFULLY THE COUNCIL CAN. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS, WE TALKED TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AND WE TOLD THEM WHAT OUR OPTIONS WERE WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AS INDUSTRIAL AND MIXED USE, AND WE COULD GO EITHER WAY, AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A LONG TIME. WE HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE PROPERTY COULD LEND ITSELF, BUT THE NEIGHBORS REALLY DIDN'T WANT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL ON THERE. SO WE CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN, AND WE REALLY THINK THIS IS A BETTER PLAN FOR THE CITY AND FOR OUR NEIGHBORS VERSUS GOING IN AND SAYING, OKAY, WELL, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO FOLLOW THE FOLLOW THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO INDUSTRIAL AND WE'RE GOING TO DO COMMERCIAL. IT'S TIME TO DO SOMETHING. THIS PROPERTY, THE FAMILY HAS SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ON IT, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS THE BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK IT'S BEST FOR THE CITY, AND I THINK IT'S THE BEST FOR THE NEIGHBORS. SO REAL QUICK, I JUST DENNIS MENTIONED THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO READ THIS. [02:05:06] COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMSON CRAFTED THE MOTION LAST TIME REGARDING THE COMMERCIAL, BUT BUT WHAT WE ADDED AND THIS THIS WAS OUR INTENT THE WHOLE TIME IS THAT WHAT WE ADDED TO THAT IS THAT AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS HERE, THAT THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WILL HAVE A COMMON ARCHITECTURAL THEME WITH A HARMONIOUS FEEL AND A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN OUR INTENT, THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE'RE READY TO DESIGN THOSE BUILDINGS WE WILL COME BACK AND YOU'LL LOOK AT IT AND GO, OKAY, WELL, THESE WERE DONE BY THE SAME PEOPLE, AND IT'S NOT FIVE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS, AND THIS IS IN OUR NARRATIVE THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE IT IN YOUR MOTION BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN THE NARRATIVE THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED IN YOUR PACKET. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. ALL RIGHT I'M GOING TO QUIT. I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR TIME. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO YOU INTIMATED THE LAST TIME YOU MADE A COMMENT AGAIN HERE TODAY THAT THE FAMILY THAT OWNS THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP IT, PERIOD. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AG, SO IT'S GOING TO BE A ZONING CHANGE TO ALMOST ANYTHING WE DO LAND PLAN IS MIXED USE TOP AND SIDE, AND THEN I ONE. IS THAT RIGHT? INDUSTRIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN THE MIDDLE. OBVIOUSLY YOU SPENT A TON OF TIME ON THIS. HAVE YOU GUYS THOUGHT ABOUT OR TALKED ABOUT YOU KNOW, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU GO TO AN INDUSTRIAL? BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS A COUNCIL AND EVEN THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE AND RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND IF WE'VE GOT SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO DO SOMETHING, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS TO DO AND WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF THAT? BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S, WHAT, 55% LESS TRAFFIC WITH RESIDENTIAL VERSUS. SO YOU'VE LOOKED AT SOMETHING FROM AN INDUSTRIAL STANDPOINT. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY INKLING OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU WERE TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS INSTEAD, BUT SOMETHING'S GOING HERE. YES. SO IF WE WOULD FOLLOW THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE MIXED USE UP TO CONTINENTAL AND MIXED USE ON BRUMLOW, WE YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T APPROVE FOR US TO PUT A BIG TILT WALL INDUSTRIAL BUILDING RIGHT UP AGAINST BRUMLOW. SO WE WOULD PROBABLY PUT SOME PRODUCT IN THERE THAT WOULD BE OFFICE COMMERCIAL. IT COULD BE SOME FLEX SPACE. SO AS AN EXAMPLE IF WE FOLLOWED THAT FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND BUILD IT OUT AND THIS, THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE CITY'S TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THEY COMMISSIONED FOR THE SERVICE CENTER, USING THE FLOOR AREA RATIO THAT THEY USE. SO WE WOULD WE WOULD YIELD 93,000 PLUS NINE IS 94,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICE, AND THAT WOULD BE SOME ON CONTINENTAL AND SOME ON BRUMLOW, AND THEN THE BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD YIELD 221,000FT² OF INDUSTRIAL. SO OF 315,000 SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL SLASH INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS. TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE FOR THE OFFICE, THAT WOULD TAKE 313 PARKING SPACES. THE INDUSTRIAL. I FIGURED THAT IT WAS 20% AIR CONDITIONED, 80% NOT. SO YOU RUN THAT PARKING RATIO OUT AT 150 IS WHAT IT WOULD EQUAL TO. SO THE INDUSTRIAL WOULD BE 332 PARKING PLACES, AND W HAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICE. MAYBE NOT SO BAD, BUT THE INDUSTRIAL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRUCKS AND THEY'RE NOT JUST GOING TO BE PICKUP TRUCKS AND VANS. I MEAN, MORE THAN LIKELY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BURN UP THAT MUCH LAND, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME [INAUDIBLE] AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BOBTAILS AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAILERS AND THAT, THAT, THAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT, AUTOMOBILE OR VEHICLES, THEY EXACERBATE THE TRAFFIC. THEY DON'T TURN AND MOVE AND, AND ALL THAT. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I TOLD I SAID THIS BEFORE MR. WRIGHT--JOE WRIGHT, NOT LEMOYNE WRIGHT--BUT JOE WRIGHT WAS A GREAT BUYER, BUT A HORRIBLE SELLER, AND HE'S HELD THIS LAND FOR 40 YEARS, BUT OVER THE YEARS. [02:10:01] AS AN EXAMPLE WHERE MUSTANG COMES THROUGH, THERE WAS ALWAYS TALK ABOUT SHOULD THAT COME THROUGH TO BRUMLOW, AND HE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT SHOULD, NOT BECAUSE HE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE BAD FOR THAT TRAFFIC THAT CUT THROUGH AND WHAT IT WOULD DO, BUT HE ALWAYS HAD THE VISION THAT IT COULD GO EITHER WAY BASED ON WHERE IT'S POSITIONED IN TOWN, AND THEN, OF COURSE, WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE AND A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORS, THEN IT COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, AD VALOREM TAX WISE FOR THE CITY, THIS WILL YIELD ALMOST DOUBLE. AD VALOREM TAXES THAT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL WILL, AND IT'S LESS INTENSE ON THE CITY. SO, AND I'M GUESSING THE OPTIONS OF LARGER LOTS ARE BASICALLY A NONSTARTER AT THIS POINT FROM A FROM A FEASIBILITY STANDPOINT. WELL, JUST IN TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE REQUEST, WE MODIFIED THIS PLAN AND AS I STATED IN JUNE, WE DON'T COME IN WITH 65 LOTS KNOWING WE NEED 50. WE RAN THE NUMBERS AND IT WORKS NOW. YEAH, WE GOT SOME BIGGER LOTS, SO MAYBE WE CAN RECOVER SOME, BUT WE CAN'T RECOVER WHAT WE HAD BEFORE BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT. YOU JUST CAN'T GET THAT MUCH MORE FOR BETWEEN A 50 FOOT AND A 60 FOOT WIDE LOT. SO WE'RE REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH OUR PLAN. WE THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN. ECONOMICS WILL WORK AT THIS LEVEL, BUT YOU SAID GO TO 20S. WE'RE TAKING THIS AND PUTTING IT IN A TRASH CAN, AND WE'RE GOING TO THE ARCHITECT GOING, ALL RIGHT, LAND PLANNER, LAY US OUT SOMETHING COMMERCIAL, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO, OKAY, SO JUST TAGGING ON TO THAT REAL QUICK BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THIS APPLICATION OR WATCHING IT. THIS ISN'T GOING TO REMAIN PASTURE. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AT THIS POINT NOW. SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE? IS IT GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL? IS IT GOING TO BE INDUSTRIAL? YOU'VE DESCRIBED WHAT YOU BELIEVE THE INDUSTRIAL WOULD LOOK LIKE. I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE. I MEAN, IT IS GOING TO BE HEAVIER VEHICLES, TRAILERS, THAT TYPE OF THING, AND THAT'S JUST NATURALLY WHAT GOES IN THOSE AREAS. WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE SOME RESIDENTS HERE TO SPEAK, IS IF YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS, IT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL TO ME TO UNDERSTAND BEYOND I JUST DON'T LIKE THIS OR I WOULD LIKE IT TO HAVE FEWER LOTS AT THE END OF THE DAY. WOULD IF IT'S EITHER THIS OR IT'S YOU COME BACK IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS WITH AN INDUSTRIAL PLAN. WHAT'S THE PREFERENCE? THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO HEAR FROM RESIDENTS TO SAY, I ACTUALLY WILL STAND HERE AND TELL YOU I WANT INDUSTRIAL THERE INSTEAD OF THESE 53, BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONSIDER. YEAH. WELL, AND THEN THE OTHER PART ABOUT IT, IF IT'S INDUSTRIAL AND I HAD TO PUT PUBLIC STREETS IN BECAUSE I JUST HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS. SO NOW I'M NOT BUILDING 31FT BACK TO BACK. I'M NOT BUILDING IT. YOU GOT A FIRE LANE STANDARD. I GOT TO BUILD TO THAT, BUT I'M NOT BUILDING A CITY STREET. SO MY COSTS WHEN I DO INDUSTRIAL ARE REDUCED AND ACTUALLY MY YIELDS A LITTLE BETTER BECAUSE I'M NOT PUTTING IN I'M NOT GIVING UP A 50-FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WHEN YOU GO TO THE INDUSTRIAL THAT THERE ARE SOME ECONOMIES THAT YOU PICK UP VERSUS PUTTING IN PUBLIC STREETS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. ITEM SIX A AND SIX B BOTH REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. I CAN OPEN THE ONE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING OR HEARINGS ON ITEM SIX A AND SIX B TOGETHER, AND WE HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS. WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. OF COURSE YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND AND CHOOSE NOT TO SPEAK. OR IF YOU INDICATED BEFORE YOU DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK, BUT YOU DO WANT TO SPEAK, YOU'RE CERTAINLY FREE TO CHANGE YOUR MIND. SO LET'S GET STARTED. FIRST UP IS CHRIS DUCEY. 1128 TEALWOOD WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM. AND THE DRILL IS STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, EVEN THOUGH I ALREADY SAID IT, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THE TIMING WHEN IT GETS TO YELLOW, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT OF YOUR THREE AND THEN AT RED IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP. SO GO AHEAD. THANK YOU MAYOR, CHRIS DUCEY, 1128 TEALWOOD COURT. UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T PUT MY CELL PHONE ON THE CARD, SO I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THE MEETING, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT THEY HAD A MEETING AND ALSO WOULD SAY THAT, [02:15:02] YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 14 YEARS NOW, AND MR. WRIGHT'S PROPERTY HAS BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR. THERE WAS A CELL TOWER PROPOSAL THAT SOME MAY REMEMBER THAT HE CAME AND SPOKE AGAINST, AND WE APPRECIATED THAT BECAUSE THIS WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, WORK FOR SOME OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT THAT, WITH THAT CELL TOWER BEEN BUILT. SO TO THE QUESTION, CERTAINLY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD RATHER HAVE WOULD NOT WANT INDUSTRIAL. I JUST WANTED TO AT THIS POINT UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T GET THIS TO OFFER THIS AT THE MEETING. YOU KNOW, THOSE SIX HOUSES THAT WILL BACK TO FOR AT TEALWOOD IS STILL QUITE DENSE RIGHT AT THE TOP, AND I DID WONDER IF THERE WAS ANY CONSIDERATION TO MAKE THOSE SORT OF MORE BACK, MAYBE 4 OR 5 HOUSES THERE AT THE TOP AND THEN A LITTLE MORE DENSE GOING DOWN, KEEPING THE TOTAL NUMBER THE SAME, SO THAT IT LINES UP A LITTLE BETTER AT THE TOP, BECAUSE YOU'LL SORT OF HAVE ONE BACKYARD AND THEN TWO HOUSES BACK TO IT. YOU CAN SEE AT THAT VERY, VERY TOP AREA, AND, AND SO AT THIS POINT YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT IT'S LIKELY GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN SOME WAY, AND WE CERTAINLY PREFER THE RESIDENTIAL JUST IF, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS CONSIDER KEEPING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS THE SAME, BUT MAKING THOSE ONES AT THE TOP LINE UP A LITTLE BETTER, AND CERTAINLY ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, IF THERE A WAY TO KEEP THE POND, WE'D APPRECIATE IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE TOO MUCH TO ASK. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT IS TODD SCHNEIDER, 1418 MONARCH WAY, WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM, AND AGAIN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN IT'S TODD SCHNEIDER, THREE MINUTES, 1418 MONARCH WAY. I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH HAVING IT RESIDENTIAL. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE INDUSTRIAL AT ALL OR ANY, BUT MY ONLY THING WITH IT IS, YES, THE DENSITY IS BETTER NOW. I DO NOT REALLY MIND THE ONES AT THE BOTTOM BEING MORE DENSE, BECAUSE I THINK THEY WILL BLOCK OUT THE PROPERTY, THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND RETAIL THAT ARE THERE, THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL TO ME. I'M MORE OPPOSED TO HAVING IT THERE WITH HOW TERRIBLE THE ROADS ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF IT ALREADY. I MEAN, THE ROADS ARE ALREADY SLOPED, THERE'S LOTS OF POTHOLES THAT HAVE BEEN REPAIRED MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE TIMES. I DRIVE ON CONTINENTAL ALL THE TIME TO MY OFFICE, AND IT'S A TERRIBLE ROADWAY, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A ROADS ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, BUT I JUST THINK THE ROADS ARE GOING TO KEEP GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AS WE HAVE MORE CONSTRUCTION ON THERE, AND HOW DO WE IMPROVE OUR ROADS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE BEFORE WE HAVE ALL THIS STUFF GOING, AND I KNOW WE HAVE TIME, BUT HOW DO WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE THE ROADS A LOT MORE IMPROVED AT THAT POINT? AND THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY MAIN PROBLEM WITH IT, IS I DON'T KNOW ABOUT Y'ALL DRIVING ON THEM, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SMOOTHEST RIDE IN THE WORLD. AND I HAVE AIR RIDE IN MY VEHICLE, AND IT STILL IS NOT SMOOTH, YOU KNOW, AND SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THOSE IMPROVED SOMEWHAT AND THEN ALSO HAVE A PLACE WHERE THERE'S SOME WHERE OF TURNING IN AND OUT. EVEN US COMING OUT OF CIMARRON, WHERE WE'RE AT IN WARWICK GREEN IS A NIGHTMARE. SO WE GO AROUND AND GO ON A NORTH SIDE AND COME BACK. SO I'D LIKE SOME IMPROVEMENT IN THAT IF IT'S GOING IN. THAT'S REALLY MY MAIN PROBLEM IS REALLY THE ROADWAYS AROUND IT. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE LORI SCHNEIDER 1418 MONARCH WAY WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM. HI, LORI SCHNEIDER, 1418 MONARCH WAY. I DO HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION WHERE WHEN YOU GUYS SAY THAT INDUSTRIAL WILL BE BUILT THERE? CAN WE GET A DEFINITION? BECAUSE I CONSIDER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE AND INDUSTRIAL LIKE THE BIG HUGE YOU KNOW, WHERE TRUCKS GO IN. WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT THAT AFTER MAYBE THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL ASK HIM TO COME BACK UP, BUT WE'LL KEEP GOING THROUGH THE PUBLIC PART, THAT KIND OF. I ALSO AGREE THAT RESIDENTIAL IS BEST. I ALSO DID ATTEND THE MEETING. IT WAS ON AUGUST 5TH AT THE MARK, AND I NOW FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE FLOOD ISSUES THAT WE PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT, BECAUSE HE EXPLAINED HOW FEMA WOULD HAVE TO MULTIPLE STEPS APPROVE THAT. SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT AT THIS POINT. THE ONE THING I AM NOT OKAY, ACTUALLY, UNLIKE MY HUSBAND, OKAY WITH ALL THE DENSITY OF THE HOMES ON THE BOTTOM PART. I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO LOOK LIKE A PARKING LOT, AND I ALSO AM SUPER WORRIED ABOUT THE PRECEDENT BECAUSE THE FAMILY DOES OWN THE WEST SIDE OF BRUMLOW, AND I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED THAT THIS POTENTIALLY COULD BE A PRECEDENT, KIND OF LIKE HOW TEALWOOD IS, [02:20:05] AND YOU ALL TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TEALWOOD AS A PRECEDENT FOR THIS. WELL, I'M AFRAID THAT THIS WILL BE THE PRECEDENT FOR THE WEST BRUMLOW SO THAT'S A CONCERN. THE DENSITY THERE. TRAFFIC. I THINK EVERYBODY'S KIND OF SAID I THINK IT WAS FRANCIS, POSSIBLY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT OF WE HAD MONEY, I GUESS, EARMARKED FOR THE WIDENING OF BRUMLOW, BUT WE WERE SAYING, LIKE, ARE WE EVEN GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT? SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT BRUMLOW IS NOT GOING TO BE WIDENED, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A CONGESTION NIGHTMARE WITH THE NEW CITY CENTER GOING IN. SO ANYWAY, IN A NUTSHELL, I DON'T LIKE THE DENSITY AS A PRECEDENT, AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE IMPACT OF EVERYBODY AROUND, AND THEN THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION AND THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE JERRY MCGRATH AT 1319 BYRON NELSON, WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM OR THESE ITEMS. YEAH. HI, I'M JERRY MCGRATH. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SOUTHLAKE SINCE 96, BEEN A RESIDENT OF TIMBERON SINCE 99. SO, I'M AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ON CONTINENTAL AND ON BRUMLOW ARE GOING TO BE WORSENED BY THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT THE SPECTER THAT'S BEING RAISED ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT GOING ON. I THINK THAT FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN INDUSTRIAL PLANTS ARE GOING TO LOOK LONG AND HARD ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING ON THAT'S GOING TO EMPTY OUT ON THE CONTINENTAL, AND I THINK IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T AUTHORIZE THE 30 SOME ODD MILLION, THAT'S GOING TO BE NECESSARY TO WIDEN BRUMLOW, THEN WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S STILL GOING TO BE TWO LANES. SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD THINK OF THIS IN ISOLATION, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THERE'S GOING TO BE THE DEVELOPMENT REQUEST FOR THE OTHER SIDE OF BRUMLOW, AND AT SOME POINT THERE'S GOING TO BE A REQUEST FOR WIDENING CONTINENTAL. WE HAD THAT FIGHT BACK IN THE LATE 90S, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO DO THAT AGAIN. SO I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE ROADS, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A CONSTRUCTIVE RESOLUTION TO INGRESS AND EGRESS OUT OF THIS PLACE, REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO I'D ASK YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT IS FRANK BLISS. 550 RESERVE STREET, SUITE 190. WE'LL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THESE ITEMS. GOOD EVENING, FRANK BLISS, 550 RESERVE STREET, SUITE 190. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. I'VE LOOKED AT THE UNDERLYING INDUSTRIAL LAND USE. THIS WILL GENERATE FAR LESS TRAFFIC. I AGREE WITH MARTIN ON THAT. IT WILL GENERATE MUCH NEEDED PROPERTY TAX REVENUES, BUT WHAT IT ALSO DOES IS PROVIDE HOUSING. I LIVED IN THE VILLAS IN TIMBERON. I WAS HERE FOR THE HEARINGS. THEY WERE INCREDIBLY CONTENTIOUS AND YET IT BECAME THE MOST POPULAR HOUSING PRODUCT IN THE CITY. UNITS WERE BEING HOUSES IN CRESCENT ROYAL WERE BEING SOLD BY PHONE CALL. YOU DIDN'T NEED TO LIST THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE SO POPULAR, AND YET THE CITY DIDN'T WANT TO ZONE ANY MORE PROPERTY FOR OUR AGING POPULATION. HOW DO WE KNOW THEY'RE AGING? WHEN I CAME HERE, THE AVERAGE AGE WAS AROUND 33. THAT WAS 1995. IN THE 2020 CENSUS, WE WERE 42. THERE'S A TERM THIS ISN'T UNIQUE TO SOUTHLAKE. THERE'S A TERM AROUND THE COUNTRY NOW. IT'S CALLED A NORC, N-O-R-C NATURALLY OCCURRING RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. IT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN BABY BOOMERS LIKE MYSELF MOVE INTO SUBDIVISIONS AND THEN AGE IN PLACE. KIDS ARE GROWN AND GONE. ALL THOSE BEDROOMS THAT USED TO HAVE KIDS IN THEM, THEY'RE SITTING THERE, SITTING EMPTY. WE'RE SEEING IT AT CISD. WE'RE SEEING THOSE DECLINING ENROLLMENTS. NOW, AS I GET TO 65, I'VE GOT A TAX CEILING ON MY PROPERTY TAXES. THE GREAT NEWS ABOUT BRUMLOW EAST IS IF I LIVE IN SOUTHLAKE, I CAN TAKE THAT TAX CEILING WITH ME AND I CAN GO BUY A HOME IN BRUMLOW EAST. CARRY IT WITH ME. I DON'T LOSE IT. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS, BUT WHAT IT ALSO SERVES IS THE OTHER END OF THAT BARBELL, WHICH IS THE YOUNGER GENERATION. THE GEN Z AND THE MILLENNIALS DON'T WANT THE SAME BIG HOUSE ON A BIG LOT THAT WE DID. MANY OF THEM, SOME DO, BUT MANY OF THEM DO NOT. I ALSO THINK IT'S KIND OF IRONIC THAT JOE WRIGHT, IN 1988, WHEN THE CITY WAS DEALING WITH A VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE, DO WE LOWER MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO HALF AN ACRE. LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. IN 1988 THEY DECIDED THEY WOULD JOE WRIGHT SUPPORTED IT AND THE LAND THAT WENT INTO TIMBERON WOULD NOT BE TIMBERON TODAY HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR LOWERING LOT SIZE. THIS IS ACTUALLY LESS DENSE THAN TIMBERON. SO FOR ME I SAY LET'S DO RIGHT BY THE WRIGHTS. JOE WRIGHT ALWAYS LOOKED AFTER THIS CITY. [02:25:01] MARTIN HAS BEEN VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR. CITIZEN OF THE YEAR, CRIME CONTROL. LET'S DO RIGHT BY THE WRIGHTS. LET'S DO RIGHT BY MARTIN. LET'S GET THIS APPROVED. THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT IS LINDA KRISHNA. 1333. MONTGOMERY LANE WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THESE ITEMS. HELLO, I'M LINDA KRISHNA FROM 1333 MONTGOMERY LANE, AND THANKS FOR HEARING US TODAY, AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO FOR OUR CITY. I SPOKE AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. WHERE THE IN THE DISCUSSION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND YES, I SAID BEFORE IT WAS ALTOGETHER BIZARRE. I THINK THE PLACEMENT OF AN L SHAPED NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN BUSINESS SECTIONS ON TWO SIDES AND A FLOODPLAIN ON THE OTHER JUST IS BIZARRE. I'D LIKE TO ADD IT'S ALTOGETHER INCONVENIENT. IT'S INCONVENIENT FOR AT LEAST TWO REASONS, BUT ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE ONEROUS TRAFFIC WILL BE MADE MUCH, MUCH WORSE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC. WE'RE WAITING TILL 2030. WHEN? MAYBE THERE'S FUNDS. MAYBE NOT FOR BRUMLOW TO BE WIDENED. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC ON CONTINENTAL AND PUEBLO. EVERY DAY THERE'S HUGE COMMUNITIES ALL AROUND THIS AREA WHO ARE IMPACTED BY THIS, BUT A SECOND REASON THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS INCONVENIENT IS JUST, I GUESS, JUST THIS L-SHAPED COMMUNITY IS SURROUNDED JUST IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THESE INDUSTRIAL AREAS. BEYOND THE SOUTHERN INDUSTRIAL AREA, I GUESS THERE'S A PROPOSED FIREMAN PRACTICE OR TRAINING FACILITY AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE JET FUEL FARM THERE. SO I JUST KIND OF WONDER ABOUT THINGS LIKE DECREASING HOME VALUE JUST BECAUSE IT'S REALLY AN ODD LOCATION. IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE I WOULD SEE THIS AS ONE OF THE MOST NON-DESIRABLE LOCATIONS OVER TIME, AND I JUST WONDER HOW THEIR VALUE OF THESE HOMES WOULD DO OVER TIME. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WITH CITY PLANNING, IT CAN BE DONE BETTER. ONE THING. LAST THING I WANT TO JUST TOUCH ON. IF I GO TO DRAGON STADIUM, I GO UP KIMBALL AVENUE. I TAKE THAT LITTLE STREET THAT GOES BY DRAGON STADIUM. IF I KEEP GOING TIL SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, THERE'S ACTUALLY QUITE A LOT OF ACREAGE OF SMALL BUSINESS. THERE'S VERY LARGE BUSINESSES, BUT THERE'S JUST SEEMS LIKE HUNDREDS OF SMALL BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA. I'VE NEVER SEEN HEAVY TRAFFIC AROUND THERE, EVER. I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED ANY TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE ACREAGE, YOU KNOW, OF, OF STREETS. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE PATTY YEAGER AT 1402 COURT WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THESE ITEMS. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. DO I HAVE TO SAY MY NAME AGAIN? YOU KNOW THE DRILL. GOT IT ALL IN THERE. OKAY. SO. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. SO I READ OVER THE REVISED PLAN FOR BRUMLOW EAST, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE VOTE NO TONIGHT. THE MAIN REASON BEING THAT IN JUNE WHEN THE MAYOR KINDLY ASKED THE DEVELOPER TO COME BACK WITH A PLAN WITH LESS DENSITY MORE IN LINE WITH THE TEALWOOD I MEAN, THIS HOUSE OR THIS PLAN HAS THREE FEWER HOUSES, SO I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT'S A COMPROMISE. THERE ARE TWO MAIN REASONS. ONE IS THE TRAFFIC, WHICH WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT, AND I REALLY DO THINK WE HAVE TO FIX THE ROADS FIRST. IT'S A REALLY CRITICAL ISSUES, AND I MEAN, NOBODY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO ALL THE STUDIES YOU WANT, BUT YOU CAN'T REPLACE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING BEING ON CONTINENTAL AND 107 DEGREE HEAT, AND IT IS BACKED UP TO KIMBALL. SO IT'S AND I THINK ALSO PEOPLE HAVE TOUCHED UPON TRYING TO PULL OUT OF TIMBERON ONTO BRUMLOW. IT'S JUST AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. SO SECONDLY IS THAT I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS IN CHARACTER WITH SOUTHLAKE AND THE ESTHETIC. THE MASTER'S PLAN MASTER PLANNERS DID NOT ENVISION A HIGH DENSITY BRUMLOW LIKE BRUMLOW EAST, WHERE HOMES ARE JUST FIVE FEET AWAY FROM EACH OTHER, AND [02:30:05] ACTUALLY IN THE DEVELOPER STATEMENT OF INTENT AND PURPOSE, NUMBER FIVE READS ENCOURAGE THE EFFICIENT USE OF LAND BY FACILITATING COMPACT DEVELOPMENT. SO CALL IT COMPACT, CALL IT COMPRESSED, CONDENSE, SQUASHED, SQUEEZED OR PACKED IN. IT'S THOSE HOUSES ARE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, AND I JUST DON'T THINK THE HIGH DENSITY IS WHAT WE MOVED HERE AND I KNOW OF SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T AS WELL, AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT THOSE HOUSES ON THE BOTTOM. YOU KNOW, I WAS TALKING TO SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS, AND, AND I KNOW THEY, YOU KNOW, WE GO UP AND DOWN BRUMLOW EVERY DAY AND YOU KNOW, WE SEE POOLS AND ALL THESE PLACES, AND THEY HARDLY HAVE, JUST AS LINDA HAD MENTIONED, THERE'S SO MANY OF THESE SMALL BUSINESSES I NEVER SEE YOU KNOW, CARS BARELY EVER GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE, WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE'VE GOT EARTH MOVERS. YOU CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN REPLACE SOME OF THOSE WHERE THEIR HOUSE IS ON THE BOTTOM WITH SMALL BUSINESSES AND, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH A TRUE COMPROMISE. SO, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE PAUL HASSELFELDT AT 1220 WOODSY COURT WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THESE ITEMS, AND AGAIN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN IT'S THREE MINUTES. EVENING, PAUL HASSELFELDT 12220 WOODSY COURT. WE OWN THE PROPERTY THAT JUST THERE ON THE EAST SIDE, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF. SPOKE HERE PREVIOUSLY. SHARE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BROUGHT UP TODAY. I MEAN, TRAFFIC IS A PROBLEM, BUT THAT'S NOT THIS DEVELOPER'S PROBLEM. I WILL MISS THE COWS. RIGHT? WE'VE LOOKED AT THEM FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS IN OUR BACKYARD, BUT A LOT OF THE OPPOSITION IS SPEAKING ON BEHALF FROM ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY, AND THEY TRAVEL THROUGH THIS AREA AND THEY CAUSE MORE TRAFFIC THAN THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL ACTUALLY INTRODUCE IN THE AREA. I THINK THE TRAIN PROBABLY HAS BEEN A BIGGER HINDRANCE ON THE EGRESS, BOTH ON KIMBALL AND BRUMLOW THAN THE 50 UNITS, 55 UNITS THAT WILL INTRODUCE HERE. WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOW CARS WOULD GET IN AND OUT HERE, BUT THE ONE THING I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT IS THE COHESIVE RESIDENTIAL THAT IT WILL FORM BETWEEN THE EAST SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE, EAST SIDE AND WEST SIDE THAT EXIST THERE TODAY. THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT IN FUTURE CONSIDERATION IS HOW CHILDREN MAY ACCESS THE SIDEWALKS THAT EXIST ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CONTINENTAL, SO THAT THEY CAN GET TO OLD UNION AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. SOUTHLAKE SPORTS COMPLEX. I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR A CROSSWALK OR SOMETHING FOR THE CHILDREN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT WE HAVE STACY KELLER AT 1220 WOODSY COURT. I WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THESE ITEMS. HELLO. STACY KELLER, 1220 WOODSY COURT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. I MIGHT ECHO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT IT'S NOT. IF THIS IS GOING TO GET DEVELOPED, IT'S WHAT WE BUILD ON IT. SOUTHLAKE IS A COMMUNITY OF FAMILY OF NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THAT REALLY ALIGNS MORE SO OF WHAT I ENVISION SOUTHLAKE BEING A PLACE FOR FAMILY, A PLACE FOR CHILDREN. WE REALLY WANT INDUSTRIAL NEAR OLD UNION, THE NUMBER ONE SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE COMING INTO SOUTHLAKE TO SEE. OH, NUMBER ONE SCHOOL. LOOK, OIL TANKS LIKE THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANT. I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER THE THOSE TWO AND THEN TACKLE WHAT PAUL SAID. SOUTHLAKE PROMOTES ITSELF AS A FIT CITY. CREATING A BLOCK OF RESIDENTIAL HERE MAY FINALLY LEAD TO A SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CONTINENTAL WITH A CROSSWALK. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE FOR GRANTED THEIR ACCESS TO PEDESTRIAN MODES OF TRANSPORTATION AROUND THE CITY. MY DAUGHTER HAS BEEN IN THE SYSTEM FROM K THROUGH EIGHT SO FAR, HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO WALK TO A SINGLE ONE OF HER SCHOOLS BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET ACROSS CONTINENTAL. WE HAVE A KID ON OUR STREET WHO HE RIDES HIS BIKE, AND I HEARD HIM COME HOME TO HIS MOM TO SAY, I CAN'T CROSS THE STREET. WELL, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE FROM HERE ARE CAUSING THE TRAFFIC THAT'S LEADING RIGHT NOW TO OUR CHILDREN UNABLE TO CROSS THE STREET SAFELY. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, NEIGHBORHOOD HERE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THREE SOUTHLAKE SCHOOLS OLD UNION, EUBANKS, DAWSON, NOBLE, OAKS PARK, SOUTHLAKE SPORTS COMPLEX AND OLD DRAGON STADIUM. THAT'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE TO THESE PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO IN THE COMMUNITY. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, YEAH, I'D LOVE TO SEE COWS, BUT I'D REALLY RATHER THAT WE CONTINUE THE NARRATIVE THAT WE'RE A FAMILY COMMUNITY, THAT WE WANT TO WELCOME [02:35:01] PEOPLE HERE AND INTO OUR GOOD SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO I SUPPORT THIS EFFORT. THANK YOU. NEXT IS LORRAINE PADGETT AT 1005 PINE MEADOW COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX A. LORRAINE PAGET OKAY, WE'LL RECORD HER OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX A. NEXT IS LAURIE SCHNEIDER. I THINK YOU ALREADY SPOKE. WE GOT A DUPLICATE. OKAY. NEXT IS LUIS ESCUDERO, 902 SOUTH HOLLOW COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THESE ITEMS. LUIS ESCUDERO. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX A AND SIX B. NEXT IS RYAN JACOBSON, 1218 WOODSIDE COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM SIX A AND SIX B. RYAN JACOBSON, 1218 WOODSIDE COURT. FIRST OFF, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR SERVING OUR CITY. I KNOW TONIGHT'S DECISION ISN'T EASY. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DISAPPOINTED, UPSET PEOPLE, AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S EFFORTS FOR OUR TOWN. SO, YEAH, WE LIVE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG ESTATE HOUSE RIGHT BEHIND US. SO WE'LL MISS THE COWS. WE'LL MISS THE VIEW. WE'LL BE STARING AT A HUGE HOUSE. PROBABLY. IF THIS GETS APPROVED. YES. THE TRAFFIC. IT IS DIFFICULT AT TIMES. 8 A.M., 5 P.M.. IT'S DIFFICULT. THE REST OF THE DAY, IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY EASY TO PULL OUT FROM WOODSY. I'VE ASKED PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION. I'VE ASKED COUNCIL TO PLEASE SPEND SOME TIME IN SOUTH HOLLOW. WE LIVE THERE FOR A YEAR WHILE WE WERE BUILDING OUR HOUSE LAST YEAR, AND THAT'S OVER 60 HOMES. THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CONNECTS TO IT OVER OFF OF CROOKED LANE, THAT'S A FEW EXTRA HUNDRED AND THERE'S HARDLY ANY TRAFFIC COMING IN, COMING AND GOING OUT OF SOUTH HOLLOW. AND I THINK IF ANYONE WOULD SPEND MAYBE TEN, 15 MINUTES, JUST PARK THEIR CAR, LISTEN TO SOME MUSIC AND HANG OUT THERE, YOU MIGHT SEE THAT NUMBER OF HOMES DOESN'T REALLY PRODUCE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, AND SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO ADD TOO MUCH OF A BURDEN THAT'S ALREADY THERE TODAY. DROVE BY SOUTH HALL MULTIPLE TIMES. I'D MAYBE SEE ONE CAR COMING AND GOING THROUGHOUT THAT MAIN STREET. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ADDING A TON OF TRAFFIC COMPARED TO AN INDUSTRIAL PARK. 300FT², 300,000FT² OF INDUSTRIAL PARK IS HUGE. THAT'S A LOT. A LOT OF TRUCKS, A LOT OF TRAILERS. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, THIS LIGHTWEIGHT, THAT'S GOING TO BE MAYBE ONE THIRD OF WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED IF IT WAS INDUSTRIAL. A LOT MORE TRAFFIC. SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, OPPOSITION OF CIMARRON, THE VILLAS DID SET THE PRECEDENT OF THESE SIZE LOTS IN TOWN, NOT TEALWOOD NOT THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE VILLAS 30 YEARS AGO SET THIS PRECEDENT, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD OPTION TO HAVE IN TOWN. I'M 38, CARROLL ALUMNI, AND I SPEAK TO TONS OF MY FRIENDS FROM HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE $3 MILLION HOMES ON HALF ACRE LOTS IN SOUTHLAKE WITH BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO GO TO ARGYLE WHERE IT'S 1.5 MILLION, MAYBE 2 MILLION. THEY CAN STRETCH, BUT THEY DON'T MAYBE WANT TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON A 30-YEAR-OLD HOME, AND SO PROVIDING THIS KIND OF PRODUCT WILL DO REALLY WELL IN THIS TOWN. WE NEED TO HAVE SOME VARIETY IN TOWN, AND I DESIGN HOMES FOR A LIVING, SO I KNOW THAT THIS WOULD DO REALLY WELL. THESE HOMES WILL SELL FOR 1.5 EASILY 3000 4000FT². THESE SIZED LOTS TO TEALWOOD'S POINT REAL QUICKLY. THEY'RE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT. THAT MATCHES UP WITH TEALWOOD. THEY'VE GOT THAT BUFFER IN THE BACK, SO THERE'LL BE SOME SEPARATION THERE. THE TIMBERON STREET OVER HERE, THOSE SIDE SETBACKS, THEY'RE FIVE, SIX FEET SIMILAR TO THIS. SO THE SURROUNDING AREAS ARE PRETTY SIMILAR TO THIS OPTION HERE, AND THEN WHAT I LOVE MOST ABOUT IT IS MY TOWN IS CHANGED FOR THE BETTER, BUT THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF GREEN SPACE. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER OPTION THAT COULD PROVIDE THIS KIND OF GREEN SPACE FOR EVERYONE ELSE TO ENJOY, AND OUR WILDLIFE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE COMMENT CARDS FROM PEOPLE WHO INDICATED THEY DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT AS I CALL YOUR NAME, IF YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR MIND AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, JUST COME ON DOWN. FIRST IS JENNIFER BRAKSMA 1317, SAINT ALBANS. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD MY OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. NEXT IS CHRISTIAN JANKOWSKI. 1426 MONTGOMERY LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD MY OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. DON DAVIS AT 1438. MONTGOMERY LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD. OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. KIM DAVIS 1438 MONTGOMERY LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD MY OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX A. RR MURPHY 1410 MONARCH [02:40:08] WAY DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. ERIC SLACKERS, 1425 SANDSTONE COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. JOAN GONZALEZ 400 BORDERS COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. MELANIE SEEGER 1616 BYRON NELSON PARKWAY DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. MICHAEL SCHROEDER 638 REGENCY CROSSING DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX A. KATHERINE BENNETT 724 LONGFORD DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX A, DON CASEY AT 626 FAIRWAY VIEW TERRACE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO SIX A. ROBERTO TORRES, 1510 SPRUCE COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX A AND SIX B, SARAH HENDRIX 1620 BYRON NELSON PARKWAY. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. PATTY ROGERS AT 2601 PARKER COURT. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX A AND SIX B. MOLLY KEMP, 1710 BRUMLOW AVENUE. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. MITCH HAGY AT 1680 BRUMLOW AVENUE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE RECORD OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. MEGAN BURLEY AT 1516 BYRON NELSON PARKWAY DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORD OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. MADISON ORSER AT 1017 SOUTH HOLLOW DRIVE. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORD OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B CHRISTINE KEMP, 1710 BRUMLOW AVENUE. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORD OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B KATE KEMP AT 1710 BRUMLOW AVENUE. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORD OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. GARY KEMP AT 1710 BRUMLOW AVENUE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORD OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B, AND ERIC CARLE, AT 604 NORTHWOOD COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX. A IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR HAND IN A COMMENT CARD BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR BEARING. WITH THAT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK WE HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT REGARDING THE INDUSTRIAL USES OR WHAT WHAT KINDS OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS COULD GO IN THERE, AND MAYBE THE QUESTION WAS LIKE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL VERSUS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. SO IF THE APPLICANT COULD MAYBE SPEAK TO THAT, AND IF DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, IF WE NEED SOME MORE CITY PERSPECTIVE ON THAT, BUT, MR. SHELLING, WHY DON'T YOU GO FIRST? WELL, KNOWING WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THIS COUNCIL, I DON'T THINK I WOULD GET I2 ZONING. SO DENNIS CAN PROBABLY BETTER DESCRIBED, BUT THERE IS A HEIGHT LIMIT IN THE I1, WENT THROUGH THAT ON MUSTANG BUSINESS PARK AND I FORGET WHAT IT IS DENNIS, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE 30FT BUT IT. WHAT'S THE NUMBER? I BELIEVE IT'S 20FT. ANYTHING OVER 20FT IN HEIGHT HAS AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK ASSOCIATED WITH IT. YEAH. SO THE 20FT, IF YOU WERE ADJACENT TO, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER USE. SO YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT MAYBE 20, 24 FOOT. THE AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT YOU CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, BUT THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE INDUSTRIAL ORDINANCE IS ANTIQUATED. IT DOESN'T FIT THE MARKET, BUT I HOPE I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK HERE AND ASK YOU FOR THAT. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, IS THERE ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT QUESTION FROM RESIDENTS REGARDING INDUSTRIAL, LIGHT, INDUSTRIAL, THAT SORT OF THING. NOT THAT I CAN THINK OF. [02:45:02] I THINK MR. SCHELLING FRAMED IT UP FAIRLY ACCURATELY. GIVEN THE PROXIMITY OF THIS AREA TO WHAT'S AROUND IT, I WOULDN'T FIND THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL APPROPRIATE FOR A ZONING CHANGE, BUT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COULD CERTAINLY BE A POSSIBILITY IF DONE CORRECTLY AND WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. YEAH. I DO HAVE ONE THING I'D LIKE TO MENTION AT OUR MEETING ON THE EIGHTH ONE OF THE COUPLES THAT ATTENDED ARE IN WARWICK GREEN AND THEY BACK UP TO BRUMLOW, AND THEY REVIEWED OUR PLAN PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE THEY PICKED UP THAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT. WELL, NOT WE HAD PROPOSED TO PUT WROUGHT IRON FENCE AROUND THIS CUL DE SAC, AND THEY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED WE DIDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE ROAD NOISE ON BRUMLOW. SO WHEN WE GET TO A MOTION. IF WE COULD HAVE THE OPTION TO DO EITHER A SOLID MASONRY WALL OR THE WROUGHT IRON, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GO WITH THE SOLID MASONRY WALL, BUT ANYWAY, I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT, AND THAT'S BY THAT KIND OF CUL DE SAC LOOKING AREA ON THE BOTTOM LEFT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHELLING WHILE HE'S UP HERE? ALL RIGHT. I DID CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. RIGHT. JUST MAKING SURE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON ITEM SIX A AND SIX B. NOT EVERYONE AT ONCE, BUT OKAY. YEAH. I'LL GO. GO AHEAD. RANDY. SORRY. I'M HAPPY TO KICK IT OFF. YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION FROM MR. SHELLING. I APPRECIATE THE RESIDENT'S COMMENTS. MY POSITION REMAINS WHERE IT WAS AT FIRST READING IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION. I JUST A IN MY OPINION PLAYING A GAME OF CHICKEN IS A DANGEROUS GAME TO PLAY. YOU REACH A POINT WHERE AN APPLICANT IS SQUEEZED TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SAY, OKAY, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL, AND THEY SHOW BACK UP IN SIX WEEKS WITH INDUSTRIAL, AND THEN EVERYBODY'S GOING, HOW ON EARTH DID WE GET HERE? SO THAT'S NOT A GAME I'M WILLING TO PLAY. I MEAN, IT'S THIS HAS STARTED OFF I ALMOST DOUBLE THIS SIZE AND IS DOWN, DOWN TO 53 LOTS. I HEARD WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR AT LEAST. AS FAR AS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY AROUND NOT EVERYBODY SPOKE TO IT, BUT MANY OF THE FOLKS THAT SPOKE TONIGHT DID ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF, CLEARLY, WE WOULD WANT RESIDENTIAL OVER INDUSTRIAL. THAT WAS CRYSTAL CLEAR, AND SO YEAH, THAT'S WHERE MY THAT'S WHERE MY POSITION IS TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE? GO AHEAD. YEAH. THIS IS IT'S BEEN I THINK IT'S BEEN TOUGH FOR EVERYBODY, AND IT'S REDUCED A LITTLE BIT. IT'S BEEN REDUCED BY THREE HOMES, I BELIEVE. I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PLAYING A GAME OF CHICKEN. I'M HERE TO CONSIDER THIS TONIGHT. WHAT'S WHAT WHAT COMES DOWN THE ROAD IS DOWN THE ROAD. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 53 HOMES TIMES TWO CARS, ALL GOING UP INTO SOUTHLAKE IN AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY CONGESTED. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. I THINK AN INDUSTRIAL USE, THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO LEAVE SOUTHLAKE POTENTIALLY. SO, I DO LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE. IF YOU DRAW A LINE STRAIGHT ACROSS. I DO LIKE THAT IT MAKES SENSE UP THERE TO ME. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT UP THERE. MAKES SENSE ACROSS FROM THE FLOODPLAIN THAT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED NEXT TO THE RESIDENCES UP THERE. I LIKE THAT PIECE OF IT. THIS THIS PIECE DOWN HERE. I'M JUST NOT THERE. AGAIN. LOOK. TRYING TO LOOK AT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY. I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW CHALLENGING IT'S BEEN. I MEAN, THIS WHAT YOU'VE WHAT YOU'VE DESIGNED SPEAKS TO THAT CHALLENGE, BUT I'M JUST. I'M JUST NOT THERE ON THIS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I GUESS I'LL GO NEXT. LIKE RANDY SAID, I THINK MY POSITION STAYS THE SAME FROM IT WAS LAST TIME. I THINK WE ALL AGREE WE'D RATHER SEE RESIDENTIAL THAN AN INDUSTRIAL PRODUCT, AND I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN IMPROVEMENTS MADE. I THINK IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IS BETTER WITH THE LOTS ONE THROUGH 20 ARE NOW MORE THAN 10,000FT² TO KIND OF MATCH UP WITH TEALWOOD. SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT, AND I SUGGESTED THAT ALL THE LOTS, YOU KNOW, FOR CONSISTENCY AND, YOU KNOW, MATCHING UP WITH WHAT'S ALREADY THERE IN TEALWOOD, AND I'VE TALKED TO COUNCILMEMBERS WHO WERE ON COUNCIL BACK IN THE DAY WHEN TEALWOOD WAS APPROVED, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY MADE THE DECISION TO GO WITH THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS [02:50:03] AND WANTED SOME VARIETY, WANTED SOME FLEXIBILITY ALONG CONTINENTAL, I GET IT. I'M NOT SURE I'M READY TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP IN THIS AREA AND GO DOWN TO 6000FT², SO THAT'S WHY I PROPOSE 10,000FT² BACK THEN. I TOTALLY APPRECIATE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS NUMBERS AND ECONOMICS, AND MAYBE THAT WORKS. MAYBE IT DOESN'T. IT'S NOT A CHICKEN THING FOR ME AT ALL. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK TO BE CONSISTENT AND PREDICTABLE, THE BEST I COULD DO WAS MATCH UP WITH TEALWOOD AND HAVE THOSE 10,000 MINIMUM LOT SIZES, AND WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET. SO AGAIN, THIS IS BETTER. IT'S NOT QUITE THERE YET FOR ME. I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE DEVELOPER AND THE APPLICANT HAVE DONE ON THIS. I REALLY DO. I APPRECIATE THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF MONEY. I GIVE THEM A LOT OF CREDIT FOR HAVING THAT EXTRA MEETING BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT. THAT'S THE WAY OUR PROCESS SHOULD WORK, AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT, BUT I'M JUST NOT QUITE THERE YET. I FORGET WHAT THE NUMBER WAS THAT DIRECTOR KILLOUGH CALCULATED IT WOULD BE 40 SOMETHING RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITH THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM SIZE, WHICH I'M STILL OKAY WITH, BUT I'M NOT. I'M NOT OKAY WITH WHAT'S PRESENTED TONIGHT. SO THAT'S MY $0.02. I WOULD JUST ECHO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER TALLEY AND MAYOR MCCASKILL SAID. I'M NOT THERE, AND I THINK IT'S A LOAD ON THE TRAFFIC THERE, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M PLAYING A GAME OF CHICKEN. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HERE FOR, BUT I, I JUST AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS PLAN. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED HERE, AND I DON'T. I THINK THAT WE'RE ANYONE THAT'S DISCUSSING TRAFFIC WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, I THINK IS MISSING THE BIG PICTURE. TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE ALREADY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW BEING A PROBLEM THERE, AND I DON'T THINK I MEAN, THIS IS THIS GOING TO ADD CARS? ABSOLUTELY. IS IT GOING TO, BUT IS IT GOING TO CRASH THE THING. NO, AND CERTAINLY I THINK INDUSTRIAL IS GOING TO DO EVEN WORSE. IT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON THAT. SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I THINK YOU LOOK AT YOU KNOW, THE COST OF HOUSING IN SOUTHLAKE AND YOU LOOK AT THE SCHOOLS AND SOUTHLAKE, THE SCHOOL THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WILL FEED INTO IS, I THINK, 90 SOMETHING KIDS SHORT THIS YEAR, AND I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE WE BEEN TOLD BY THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE, IF YOU NEED MORE MONEY, FIND MORE KIDS. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THEY'VE TOLD US. THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO FIND MORE KIDS IS TO, IS TO FIND A HOUSE FOR THEM TO LIVE IN. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE HEARD UNANIMOUSLY, I THANK EVERYONE THAT CAME OUT HERE TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOU STANDING UP AND STATING YOUR OPINION, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU DO RECOGNIZE THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, AND I THINK THAT'S A HUGE DEAL. THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE KNOWN MARTIN, HE'S BEEN HERE FOREVER. AS YOU HEARD FROM FOLKS, THE RIGHTS HAVE OWNED THIS FOR A LONG TIME. THIS WILL BE DEVELOPED AND IT'S EITHER GOING TO AND I DON'T THINK MARTIN IS HE'S TOLD US HE'S NOT THE ONE THAT COMES IN. HE SAID IT TONIGHT. THAT'S GOING TO BRING YOU 65 KNOW AND HE CAN GET 50, AND HE'S NOT COMING IN WITH 50 YOU KNOW AND HE CAN DO 40. I THINK THAT WE ARE PLAYING A DANGEROUS GAME. IF WE DENY THIS WE'RE GOING TO SEE INDUSTRIAL AND IN DUE TIME, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE UNFORTUNATE FOR ALL THE NEIGHBORS. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE UNFORTUNATE FOR US AS A CITY. I THINK IT'S I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES. IT SEEMS TO ME HE'S ADDRESSED EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS HEARD THAT THE DRAINAGE IS NOT THIS PROPERTY'S ISSUE. YOU KNOW, FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT. IT'S REALLY IT'S OUR ISSUE. THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES AROUND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. WE'VE COMMITTED AS A COUNCIL TO TRY TO. TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE IN AND OF ITSELF. IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THAT FROM A BRUMLOW AND CONTINENTAL STANDPOINT, THAT'S ON US. IT'S NOT THAT I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. THERE'S GOING TO BE TRAFFIC ON THE ROADS. SO I DON'T CARE IF IT'S GOING SOUTH ON BRUMLOW OR GOING EAST OR WEST ON CONTINENTAL, IT'S GOING THAT WAY. SO I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S I DON'T YOU DON'T CALL IT A GAME OF CHICKEN, JUST CALL IT REALITY IS WHAT I WOULD SAY. ALL RIGHT. I AGREE WITH A COUPLE OF THOSE POINTS THAT I THINK EVERYONE'S MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DRAINAGE ISSUE NOW, AND THAT'S BEEN BETTER EXPLAINED AND BETTER SHOWN. SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THAT. I ALSO APPRECIATE I THINK WE'VE GOT A BETTER EXPLANATION ON WHAT KIND OF HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE THERE. I HAD QUESTIONS AND I WILL SAY I DID WONDER ABOUT THAT. CAN WE EVEN DELINEATE IN A MOTION IF WE GET THERE THAT IT HAS TO, THAT IT CANNOT BE? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERM WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A NATIONAL BUILDER KIND OF THING. IT HAS TO BE DELINEATED AS A LOCAL PRIVATELY OWNED BUILDER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT OR NOT? NO. AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE JUST CONSIDERING THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY AND THE LAND USE PLAN. SO IT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE TO DELINEATE THAT AT THIS POINT. OKAY. OKAY. IS THERE A POINT IN THIS PROCESS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? NO. UNFORTUNATELY, NO. I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE. [02:55:02] YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S SOME LEEWAY WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, BUT WITH STRAIGHT ZONING THE LEGISLATURE HAS TIED YOUR HANDS WITH RESPECT TO YOUR OPTIONS THERE. YEAH. I MEAN, I HONESTLY, IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE A SPLIT VOTE, WHICH WON'T PASS, BUT I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER ROBBINS AND WILLIAMSON. THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT MARTIN SHELLING CAME IN WITH 53 LOTS. KNOWING THAT HE COULD MAKE IT WORK AT 40. OUR LAND IS EXPENSIVE NOW. IT'S RUNNING OUT. WE HAVE VERY, VERY LITTLE LEFT TO BE DEVELOPED, AND WE HAVE THESE FUNKY LITTLE SPOTS IN TOWN THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THEM AND WHAT'S GOING TO WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE AND, AND LET'S, LET'S BE MINDFUL OF THE DECLINING ENROLLMENT IN CARROLL ISD. I, I UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC. I APPRECIATE ALL THE RESIDENTS, I REALLY DO, BUT I JUST KEEP GOING. WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS WAREHOUSES AND SEMI TRUCKS AND TRAILERS AND THAT'S WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE, AND I REALLY LIKE THE VARIETY OF HOUSING AVAILABLE. WE HAD A RESIDENT STAND UP AND SPEAK AND SAY, I'M 38 AND I'M AN ALUMNI OF CARROLL, AND MY FRIENDS CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, BUT HECK, IF THEY COULD DO A $1.5 MILLION HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT MOVE THEIR YOUNG FAMILY HERE, AND I THINK IT'S NICE TO HAVE A PRODUCT LIKE THAT. SO WHILE IT DOESN'T MATTER, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS, AND I CAN GET BEHIND IT EXACTLY HOW IT IS NOW. GO AHEAD. YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD I IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'VE JUST SO OVERCOMPLICATED THIS APPLICATION. I MEAN, EVERYBODY HERE AGREES THE PARKING IS OR THE TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE. WE KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE. WE CAN'T FIX IT WITH THIS APPLICATION. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. IT'S IN THE LONG TERM PLAN. IN FACT, THE MAYOR AND MYSELF, COUNCILMEMBER ROBBINS, MAYBE THE MAYOR WILL SPEAK TO THAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS WE'VE HAD TO TRY TO SECURE FUNDING AND SO FORTH, YOU KNOW, FROM YOU KNOW, FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES, AND THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE. IT CAN'T BE ADDRESSED RIGHT NOW. WE JUST DON'T WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO THAT. SO NOW WE'RE DOWN TO MAKING A DECISION ON. ALL RIGHT. DO WE DO WE TAKE THE CHANCE THAT BECOMES INDUSTRIAL, WHICH EVERYBODY AGREES IS WORSE? I MEAN, JUST I MEAN, GO AND WAIT FOR A SMALL LANDSCAPE TRAILER TO COME OUT OF THE OLD ALPINE MATERIALS PROPERTY TRYING TO TURN, AND THEY GET OUT THERE WITH THEIR TRAILER AND JUST WAIT, YOU KNOW, UNTIL IT CLEARS UP FOR THEM TO DO THAT ONE TIME AND SEE WHAT THAT DOES FOR TRAFFIC, AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INDUSTRIAL IS THE SAME TYPE OF THING IF THAT'S DEVELOPED THAT WAY. SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE WAITING TO SAY, CAN WE GO FROM 53 DOWN TO 45 OR DOWN TO 40? I MEAN, THAT'S NOTHING THAT HAS VIRTUALLY ZERO IMPACT ON TRAFFIC. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 7 OR 8 HOUSES. SO I JUST THINK WE'VE OVERCOMPLICATED THIS THING AT THE RISK OF IT EVENTUALLY BEING APPROVED INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS CLEARLY NOT WHAT ANYBODY WANTS. WE'LL GO INTO THE FUNDING PART FOR BRUMLOW. YOU'RE RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMSON, COUNCILMEMBER ROBBINS AND I MET WITH CONGRESSWOMAN BETH VAN DUYNE, WHAT, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, I GUESS AFTER ONE OF THE READINGS ON THIS ABOUT A CITY REQUEST FOR FEDERAL MONEY THROUGH AN APPROPRIATIONS. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY $5 MILLION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT 25 MILLION. IS THE ESTIMATE MAYBE 30 TO DO THE BRUMLOW EXPANSION, WIDENING IMPROVEMENT. SO THAT'S A BIG DROP IN THE BUCKET, BUT WE'RE NOT WE CAN'T SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FUND BRUMLOW IN 2025 OR 2026 OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S A GOOD POINT TO BRING THAT UP ABOUT THAT DISCUSSION, AND, AND CONGRESSMAN VAN DINE'S HELP ON THAT. SO AGAIN, WE'RE STUCK WITH A LOOKS LIKE A33 VOTE. WE HAVE WE HAVE WE'RE SHORTHANDED WITH SIX COUNCILMEMBERS. SO TO THE APPLICANT YOU KNOW I THINK IT'S YOUR CALL. IT'S YOUR APPLICATION. OF COURSE, AS ALWAYS, GIVEN THAT WE'RE SHORTHANDED AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A33 VOTE IF YOU'D LIKE TO TABLE IT. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYONE BEING AWAY AT THE NEXT MEETING IN EARLY SEPTEMBER. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DATE IS. IS THERE ANYONE WHO. WE DON'T KNOW YET, SO I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU'LL HAVE 7 OR 5 OR AN ODD NUMBER, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO TABLE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY COMMUNICATE THAT TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. ARE WE GOING TO BE BACK HERE FOR ROUND THREE WITH A 3-3 VOTE? WE'LL COMMUNICATE THAT OUT THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA AND OTHERWISE WE HAVE COMMENT CARDS. WE CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU IF IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE 3-3 AGAIN, THEN MAYBE WE TABLE AGAIN. [03:00:01] I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'LL TRY TO BE WE'LL BE FORTHCOMING WITH EVERYONE TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT FOR THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR? IF YOU WANT TO COME DOWN TO THE. I JUST WAS CURIOUS IF YOU WANT TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND I'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT. JUST DOES IT TAKE JUST A 4-3 VOTE? THAT'S WHAT I'M CURIOUS OF. TO PASS. DOES IT TAKE LIKE A MAJORITY? IS IT JUST FOUR THREE AND IT COULD PASS? SO I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK IT'S JUST A MAJORITY, WHETHER IT'S FOUR 3 OR 3 TWO. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, DO YOU HAVE ANY? IT IS A MINIMUM OF FOUR AFFIRMATIVE VOTES BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO PASS IT. THERE YOU GO. MINIMUM OF FOUR. IS THAT CORRECT? CITY ATTORNEY. ALL RIGHT. SO, MR. SHELLING, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME DOWN. IF YOU NEED A FEW MINUTES TO SPEAK WITH YOUR CLIENT OR YOUR PARTNER AND SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT WE CAN VOTE. WE CAN VOTE ON DIFFERENT OPTIONS. WE CAN TAKE A MOTION TO OR A REQUEST TO TABLE AND VOTE ON THAT. SO, IT'S YOUR APPLICATION. HOWEVER, YOU'D LIKE TO PROCEED. WE'LL DO THAT TONIGHT. I'LL SAY THIS. WE WILL GO BACK AND WE WILL. LOOK, I THINK I'M ALREADY THERE, BUT I NEVER WANT TO CLOSE THE DOOR, SO WE'LL LOOK AT IT. I'M NOT GOING TO. I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD ANYBODY THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT, BUT WE WILL LOOK AT IT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE TABLED TONIGHT. OKAY, AND IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. IF I CAN'T, I'M GOING TO COME BACK, AND THEN I THINK WE'RE PRETTY TIRED. UNDERSTOOD? YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO BE TABLED TO THE NEXT MEETING, LIKE THE 1ST SEPTEMBER MEETING, OR DO YOU THINK YOU NEED MORE TIME? WHATEVER. NO NO NO NO NO, WE'RE PRETTY WE'RE PRETTY NIMBLE. OKAY, SO TABLE TO THE SEPTEMBER 3RD. SEPTEMBER 3RD. THIRD OR FOURTH, WHICHEVER IT IS. THIRD. I'M HEARING THREE. SEPTEMBER 3RD. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'LL TABLE YOU TO THAT FOR BOTH ITEMS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON SIX A OR SIX B. TABLE THEM BOTH TO SEPTEMBER 3RD. IF YOU NEED MORE TIME FOR WHATEVER REASON REACH OUT TO DENNIS AND WE'LL MOVE YOU AGAIN TO THE SEPTEMBER 17TH, WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE, BUT WE'LL DO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, SIR, AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE THROUGH MULTIPLE MEETINGS, INCLUDING P AND Z, AND WE'LL MAYBE SEE YOU NEXT TIME. BUT ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT BEFORE COUNCIL? MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON DOES A MOTION ON THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TABLE SIX A AND SIX B. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE ITEM SIX A ORDINANCE NUMBER 1269C CP 24-0002. SECOND READING AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. CAST YOUR VOTES ON A MOTION TO TABLE SIX A AND SIX B. OR IS THAT JUST SIX A I GUESS. WAS IT MOTION? 6A. 0H, SORRY ABOUT THAT. MOTION TO TABLE SIX A IS CARRIED SIX ZERO. WE'LL HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE SIX B PLEASE. YES. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE ITEM SIX B ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-813240007. SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BRUMLOW EAST. WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM SIX B DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THAT MOTION TO TABLE SIX B CARRIES SIX ZERO, AND SO WE'LL SEE YOU ALL BACK ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2024. NEXT UP OUR LAST ITEM IS ITEM SIX C, CASE NUMBER ZA24-0011. [6.C. ZA24-0011, Site Plan for Restoration Church on property described as Lot 4, F. Throop No. 1511 Addition, and located at 1280 E. Highland Ave. Current Zoning: "CS" Community Service District. SPIN Neighborhood #3. PUBLIC HEARING] THE SITE PLAN FOR RESTORATION CHURCH. THANK YOU AGAIN. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1280 EAST HIGHLAND STREET. THIS IS FOR RESTORATION CHURCH, ADDING APPROXIMATELY JUST UNDER 13,000 SQUARE FOOT TO TWO STORY BUILDING TO THEIR EXISTING CAMPUS FOR PURPOSE OF MEETING AND CLASSROOM SPACE, ADDING AN ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE LOT AND CONSTRUCTING A DETENTION POND ON THE PROPERTY. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE. THIS IS THE EXISTING CHURCH FACILITY THERE NOW AND THEY'RE EXISTING PARKING AND DRIVEWAY. THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS PROPERTY IS PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS CS COMMUNITY SERVICE DISTRICT. NOW THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY, AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN WILL ADD THIS ROUGHLY 12,500 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY ADDITION TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING. IT ALSO BASED ON P&ZS RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE DRIVEWAY, WILL RECONSTRUCT THIS WESTERN [03:05:04] DRIVEWAY TO CLOSER MEET THE STACKING DEPTH, WHICH IS A MINIMUM OF 75FT. THE PROPOSED STACKING DEPTH WITH THE RECONFIGURATION HERE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 50FT OFF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. IT ADDS ADDITIONAL PARKING ONTO THE SITE WITH AN AREA OF SOME FUTURE PARKING. A DETENTION POND IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE. AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THEY HAD RECOMMENDED RELOCATION OF A TRASH ENCLOSURE THAT WAS IN THIS VICINITY, AND THE APPLICANT, SINCE HIS RECOMMENDATION IS RELOCATED, THAT TO THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE. ONE OF THE CONDITIONS AND SITE PLAN REVIEW WAS A REQUIREMENT UNDER SECTION 39 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WHERE NONRESIDENTIAL USE ABUTS RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY OR PROPERTY, HAVING AN OCCUPIED RESIDENTIAL DWELLING, THAT A MINIMUM EIGHT-FOOT SOLID FENCE BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG THAT BOUNDARY. THE APPLICANT INITIALLY REQUESTED A VARIANCE TO THAT COMING FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT THIS AFTERNOON INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD REMOVE THAT VARIANCE. ONLY VARIANCE REMAINING AT THIS POINT IS THIS BEING A 50 FOOT STACKING DECK DRIVEWAY VERSUS 75 FOOT. THIS IS TREE CONSERVATION PLAN, AND LANDSCAPE PLAN AND ELEVATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED ADDITION, AND THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE FINISHED PRODUCT. THE ADDITION AND EXISTING SANCTUARY AREA WILL MATCH AND COLOR AND TEXTURE OF MATERIAL. WITH REGARD TO RESPONSES SAYS WE'VE RECEIVED TWO IN OPPOSITION, OFFICIALLY ONE AT THIS LOCATION WITHIN THE 200 FOOT NOTICE AREA AND THEN ONE OUTSIDE, AND PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION'S MOTION WAS TO APPROVE THE ITEM FIVE ZERO SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT AND REVIEW SUMMARY PRESENTED AND NOTING THE APPLICANT WOULD REVIEW WIDENING THAT WESTERN INGRESS EGRESS POINT WEST OF THE BUILDING AND CONSIDER RELOCATING THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, WHICH THEY HAVE ADDRESSED BOTH OF THOSE AND HAVE ADDRESSED THE STACKING TO THE DEGREE THEY CAN WITHOUT IMPACTING THEIR DROP OFF AREA IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH, WHICH THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE STACKING VARIANCE THERE. WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN. THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH US ALL THE WAY TO THE END. AGAIN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU'RE BOTH SPEAKING. IF YOU COULD BOTH DO THAT IS. WHAT'S THE LATEST? IS THERE AN UPDATE ON THE ON THE FENCE, THE SOLID FENCE ISSUE? THAT WAS ONE OF THE VARIANCES. IF YOU COULD MAYBE SPEAK TO WHAT'S KIND OF HAPPENED ALONG THE WAY ON THAT WITH WITH ANY NEIGHBORS. SO GO AHEAD. HAPPY TO DO THAT BRIAN SMITH LIVE AT 15500 GATE HOUSE DRIVE IN ROANOKE, TEXAS. I'M A PASTOR AT THE CHURCH. I'M DARREN ANDREWS WITH MCADAMS, 3917 VICTORY IN FLOWER MOUND CIVIL ENGINEER. SO I'D LOVE TO ANSWER ANY. I'LL ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION. YEAH. WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS. WE HAD A MEETING LAST NIGHT WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, INCLUDING SOME OF THEM THAT SPOKE IN OPPOSITION AND BASED UPON THEIR FEEDBACK, THEIR CONCERNS AND SOME OF THE NATURE IN THAT PARTICULAR CONVERSATION, WE DECIDED TO REMOVE THAT PARTICULAR VARIANCE FOR THE FENCE AND TO PROCEED FORWARD AS CODE HAS REQUIRED, AND THE EXPECTATION OF CODE HERE, WHENEVER IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL UP AGAINST COMMERCIAL, BUSINESS, COMMUNITY SERVICE DISTRICT AT THIS POINT. OKAY. THANKS FOR THAT UPDATE. ANY ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, YOUR APPLICATION OR THE PROJECT? YEAH. GO AHEAD. ONE THING THAT IS THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE IT IS NOT A TWO STORY BUILDING. IT IS A ONE STORY BUILDING. ONE STORY. IT IS ONLY A ONE STORY BUILDING. OKAY. SORRY. I'M CURIOUS, JUST WHAT WAS THE OPPOSITION OF THE NEIGHBORS ON THE FENCE? [03:10:03] WHAT WAS. WHAT DID THEY SAY ABOUT THAT? YEAH, A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE. I'LL DISTILL IT DOWN TO TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, IT WAS THE VIEW. THE NEIGHBORS WERE IN OPPOSITION TO BLOCKING THEIR VIEW FROM THEIR BACK YARD INTO WHAT IS THAT PORTION OF OUR PROPERTY. THE BECAUSE OF THE SUNSET IN THE WEST, IT GIVES A PRETTY FANTASTIC VIEW. THE SECOND ONE WAS THE WILDLIFE. THE WILDLIFE, THERE'S YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE DETENTION POND IS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. THERE'S WILDLIFE THAT HAS HISTORICALLY TREKKED THAT AREA, AND SO THEIR CONCERN WAS THE MOMENT THAT YOU PUT UP A FENCE BLOCKING THAT IT WOULD PUSH THE WILDLIFE OUT OF THAT AREA. OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO THEN THEY MORE FAVOR GOING TO A SOLID MASONRY FENCE OR WOOD FENCE THEN? NO, MY I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT THEY ARE THE ONES WHO SPOKE IN OPPOSITION ARE STILL IN FAVOR OF PURSUING A VARIANCE THAT IS THERE. THERE WERE SOME THE NATURE OF THAT PARTICULAR CONVERSATION AND IN AND AROUND WHAT WOULD NECESSITATE THEIR APPROVAL FOR A VARIANCE IT CAME WITH CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS THAT WE JUST WEREN'T WILLING TO. I'M CURIOUS. ARE YOU WILLING TO SHARE WITH THOSE EXPECTATIONS WERE. YEAH. THERE WAS ONE OF THE PRIMARY OPPOSITION PIECES OF OPPOSITION IS THE FACT THAT OUR PARKING IS WHERE IT IS, AND SOME OF THE RESIDENTS NOT WANTING TO LOOK FROM THEIR BACKYARD INTO A PARKING LOT. OKAY. THEN WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US WAS THEIR PROPOSAL TO SHIFT THE ENTIRE PLAN AND SHIFT THE ENTIRE NATURE OF THAT SITE PLAN. RIGHT, AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR INITIAL PROPOSAL THEN, WAS A WROUGHT IRON FENCE. IS THAT CORRECT? NO. THE INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS TO PURSUE A VARIANCE OF NOT HAVING ANY FENCE. NOT HAVING ANY FENCE. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY, AND SO THE NEIGHBORS, THOUGH, THEY AT LEAST WHAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING IS THAT THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE A WALL THAT BLOCKS THE VIEW OF THE WILDLIFE AND THE SUNSET AND SO FORTH. I THINK THE NEIGHBORS WOULD PREFER TO HAVE IT OPEN TO BE ABLE TO VIEW. OKAY, BUT IN ORDER TO GET IN AND IN ORDER TO GET THE NECESSARY APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, WHICH IS THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS ALL BEING IN FAVOR OF THAT, WE DID NOT FEEL LIKE WE COULD GET THAT TONIGHT IN ORDER TO ADEQUATELY SATISFY WHAT IS REQUIRED OF A VARIANCE. OKAY. SO THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE UP THEIR VIEW NOT TO SEE THE PARKING LOT BASICALLY THERE THAT IS YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK THEM TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS POINT, YEAH. THE WHOLE THING IS A LITTLE CONFUSING. I'M CONFUSED. THAT'S NOT ACCURATE, IS IT? THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. THE RESIDENTS WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE. I MEAN, IF THERE WAS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THEM, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A HAVE SUPERMAJORITY TO VOTE IT, BUT YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT THAT. I THINK IT'S ABOUT THEM COOPERATING WITH THE RESIDENTS OR WANTING TO. SO IT WASN'T A LEGAL THING. YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT US HAVING TO HAVE FULL BUY IN FROM THE RESIDENTS. IT WAS REALLY MORE OF A NEIGHBORLY. YEAH. TRYING TO GET FULL BUY IN CONSENSUS BETWEEN ALL OF THEM THAT THERE WAS SOME WERE SAYING THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE A PARKING LOT. WELL, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE A PARKING LOT, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE A FENCE. YEP. OR WE DON'T WANT THE FENCE. I MEAN, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THERE WASN'T A CONSENSUS, UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS AMONG ALL THE NEIGHBORS. RIGHT ON THE SAME POINT. YOU DON'T NECESSARILY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE NEIGHBORS CONSENSUS. JUST I MEAN, NEIGHBORS CERTAINLY CAN COME SPEAK FOR THEY CAN SPEAK AGAINST, BUT THEY MAY BE HERE TONIGHT. YEAH, EXACTLY. I MEAN, THERE MAY BE, BUT WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT? YEAH. WHAT WOULD YOU ALL PREFER? YOU WANT NO FENCE, RIGHT? HEY. THANK YOU. WE WANT NO FENCE. OKAY. HAVE YOU. OH, SORRY. GO AHEAD. OH, YEAH. I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED THE NEIGHBORS APPROVAL FOR YOU TO PROPOSE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE, AND OF COURSE, WE WANT THEIR INPUT. RIGHT. YEAH. SO THAT'S NOT, BUT WE DIDN'T YOU DIDN'T NEED TO GET THERE 100% CONSENSUS, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, FOR YOU TO PRESENT TO US WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR YOUR PROJECT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES IT DOES. WE WERE UNAWARE OF THAT PARTICULAR ELEMENT. OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS IN ORDER TO SEEK A VARIANCE, THE OWNER AND THE BUSINESSES THAT BACKED UP TO THE VARIANCE OF THIS POINT WOULD BE A FENCE THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE A BIT OF UNITY IN THAT. UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING, DENNIS. THAT'S ALWAYS PREFERRED. IT'S ALWAYS PREFERRED THAT WE HAVE IT, BUT NOT REQUIRED. YEAH. GREAT. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED MAYBE DOING A WHERE THE PARKING IS ON THAT OPEN AREA? DOING A LANDSCAPE THAT WOULD MASK THAT PARKING A LITTLE BIT. NOT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE TREES OR SHRUBS OR WHATEVER. [03:15:01] TREES OR SHRUB OR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE A COMPROMISE OTHER THAN THE FENCE. SO I GET THE WHOLE THING. IF I LIVED OVER THERE, I'D WANT TO SEE THE WILDLIFE AND THE SUNSET AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT AT ALL? PUTTING A SCREEN ON THAT BACK PARKING THERE? PROBABLY BE CHEAPER THAN A WOOD FENCE. YEAH, IT'S BEEN CONSIDERED, AND THAT'S NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE. OKAY. I JUST THROW THAT OUT AS MAYBE MAKING YOU ALL HAPPY AND MAYBE THE NEIGHBORS HAPPY TOO, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM ALL, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE THOUGHT THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS LOOKING AT IT. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO IT IS. YEAH, WE ENJOY IT. IT JUST IT FEELS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A COMPROMISE HERE THAT GETS YOU WHAT YOU WANT, WHICH IS NO FENCE AND PERHAPS GETS WITH THE NEIGHBORS WANTS, WHICH IS A CONTINUED VIEW. AND MAYBE THAT INVOLVES SOME LANDSCAPING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I DON'T LOOK, I DON'T I DON'T NEED TO TALK ANYBODY INTO ONE THING OR THE OTHER. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S A CLEAN, YOU KNOW. NO, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON THAT. THAT'S EASY, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT YOU WANTED, AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE IT'S WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO WANT WHEN THEY SEE THAT FENCE THERE. I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOING TO GO, WHAT DID WE JUST AGREE TO? SO WITH THAT, WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMEBODY HERE. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. TO BE FAIR, I WANT TO HONOR THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAD THAT WERE TAKEN PLACE AT OUR CHURCH AND SOME OF THE SOME OF THE NATURE OF THAT PARTICULAR CONVERSATION THAT'S LED US TO WHERE WE WERE, WHERE THERE WERE STEPS THAT WERE BEING ASKED OF US THAT WE WERE JUST UNWILLING TO MAKE IN ORDER FOR A SUPPORT OF THAT, AND THEREFORE WE SAID, WE'LL JUST MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE. WELL, THAT'S YOUR OPTION. YOU'RE ASKING FOR YOUR OPTION FOR SURE. IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR US AND IF, AS COUNCILMAN LEPP, PERHAPS, OKAY, HAS SAID THAT YOU CAN HAVE A VARIANCE APART FROM THAT, THEN I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE, IF YOU WOULD GIVE US TIME, WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER. IF IT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU HAVE AN OPTION, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE AN OPTION TO TABLE, YOU KNOW, FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AND COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE HAD THE CONVERSATION, MAYBE EVEN HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT SPEAK, YOU KNOW, WHICH WE'LL DO THAT HERE. I THINK THE MAYOR'S GOING TO OPEN THAT UP, BUT THAT'S REALLY UP TO YOU. I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO. WHY DON'T WE DO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN THINK ABOUT IT, AND WE'LL INVITE YOU TO COME BACK UP HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. HOW ABOUT THAT? SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT, SO ITEM 60 REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD FROM CLAYTON REED FROM 235 TIMBERLANE TIMBERLINE LANE, WHO WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM SIX C. PASTOR REED. I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WERE LEAVING US AFTER THE OPENING PRAYER, BUT YOU'RE STILL HERE. OR DID YOU COME BACK? IT WAS VERY NICE TO SEE ALL OF YOU AGAIN. YEAH. I'VE BEEN 15 YEARS HERE AND NEVER SPOKEN PUBLICLY IN FAVOR OR DENIAL FOR ANY, ANY ISSUE BEHIND THIS MIC. I WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE POINTS CLEAR. FIRST, RESTORATION CHURCH HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD CORPORATE CITIZEN IN GENERAL AS A CHURCH PLAYER IN THE AREA, SO THEY HAVE BEEN A STRONG SUPPORTER OF THE CHURCH COMMUNITY HERE AND HAVE BEEN EASY TO WORK WITH. I THINK THEY'RE A PLUS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND REALLY KNOWN FOR THEIR KIND INTERACTIONS WITH OUR CITY AND OUR COMMUNITY, AND I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THIS PLAN TENDS TO BE AN UPGRADE TO THE SITE. FROM THE MOMENT THEY'VE MOVED IN, THEY'VE MADE THAT SITE BETTER LOOKS, BETTER MODE. THEY TAKE CARE OF IT. THEY TEAR DOWN BAD STUFF. THEY MAKE IT SAFE, AND THEN LASTLY, THEY'RE JUST GOOD NEIGHBORS. I PASTORED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM FOR, YOU KNOW, 4 OR 5 YEARS. WE ACTUALLY I WALKED THAT WALKING TRAIL BEHIND THEIR CHURCH MANY, MANY TIMES, AND I THINK IF I'M A RESIDENT, I DON'T WANT TO SEE A FENCE I'VE, I'D WANT TO LOOK OUT AND SEE THE SUNSET. SO I THINK MY ADVICE TO COUNCIL, IF THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT, WOULD BE TO REALLY CONSIDER NOT HAVING A FENCE, JUST BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT BLOCKS THE VIEW FOR PEOPLE WHO WOULD HAVE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, PASTOR REED. I AGREE WITH THAT. I MEAN, AS FAR AS A MOTION, COULD WE, IF WE DID A MOTION TO APPROVE, COULD WE SAY MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED AND GIVING THE APPLICANT THE OPTION TO INSTEAD OF DOING A WOOD SOLID FENCE TO GO WITH A LANDSCAPE, TREES AND SHRUBS OPTION IN THAT SAME AREA. I MEAN, I'M THAT'S GETTING TO BE A VERY WORDY MOTION, BUT I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY MAKE THEM COME BACK AND TABLE AND THEN HAVE TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS. IS THAT A FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY? IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DO IF THAT'S WHERE WE FALL? YES. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING YOU COULD DO. YOU MIGHT CONSIDER REQUIRING THE LANDSCAPE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH YOUR TYPICAL LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, BUT [03:20:06] YES, THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE AN OPTION. JUST A THOUGHT TO SAVE YOU ALL A RETURN TRIP WHERE WE GIVE YOU, WE GRANT OR WE APPROVE YOUR APPLICATION WITH THE WOOD FENCE, BUT GIVE YOU GUYS THE OPTION AFTER TALKING TO THESE NEIGHBORS OR WHOEVER, THAT IF YOU WANTED TO AND IF YOU FELT COMFORTABLE JUST DOING A LANDSCAPE, WHETHER IT'S TREES AND SHRUBS, AND MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON WILL PUT IT TOGETHER VERY NICELY AND SUCCINCTLY SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY COME BACK. I MEAN, WE CAN TABLE YOU ALL AND YOU CAN COME BACK AND SPEND ANOTHER EVENING WITH US TILL 10:00, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO SAVE YOU A RETURN TRIP. WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU, BUT IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST, AND THAT PUTS IT ON YOU GUYS TO DECIDE WITH WHOEVER YOU WANT TO TALK TO NEIGHBORS OR PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH. HEY, ARE WE OKAY WITH DOING LANDSCAPING? AND SHRUBS INSTEAD OF A WOOD FENCE, THEN? YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THAT APPROVAL FROM. US. YOU GET AN EITHER OR. WOULDN'T WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE, THOUGH? NOT THE APPLICATION. BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE THE VARIANCE. EVEN IF WE GIVE THEM THE VARIANCE, THEY CAN. BUILD THE WOOD FENCE. CORRECT. PARDON ME? WE'D BE APPROVING. WE'D WANT TO APPROVE IT WITH THE VARIANCE. NOT AS PRESENTED. BECAUSE IF WE GIVE THEM THE VARIANCE AND THEY DECIDE TO BUILD THE WOOD FENCE, THEY STILL CAN. IF WE TELL THEM THEY CAN BUILD THE WOOD FENCE, IF WE IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE VARIANCE, THEN THEY CAN'T NOT BUILD THE WOOD FENCE. IS THAT ACCURATE? I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT, YES. YEAH. SO WE NEED TO APPROVE IT WITH THE VARIANCE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. APPROVAL WITH THE VARIANCE, AND WE WILL DO ENHANCED LANDSCAPING TO BLOCK OFF. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH I THINK MAYBE MY TERMINOLOGY WAS OFF BUT YEAH YOU GET IT. YEAH YEAH. OKAY. ALL GOOD WITH THAT. YEAH I THINK THAT'S IDEAL BECAUSE IT LEAVES FLEXIBILITY FOR EVERYBODY TO CONTINUE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A CONVERSATION BECAUSE AS I VIEW IT, IF I'M YOU LOOKING TOWARDS THE FENCE, YOU'RE NOT LOSING ANYTHING. YOU'RE NOT LOSING VIEW. I MEAN, YOU'RE FINE WITH THE FENCE THERE. IT'S THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE LOSING EVERYTHING, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS APPROVAL OPENS. IT OPENS THE CONVERSATION A BIT MORE. IT MAKES IT A REASONABLE CONVERSATION BECAUSE YOU'VE NOW GOT YOUR APPROVAL. YOU'RE READY TO GO EITHER WAY, AND SO IT OPENS UP A CONVERSATION FOR THE NEIGHBORS WITH YOU TO SAY, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DO THIS? WOULD YOU PREFER. SURE. THE FENCE. I APPRECIATE THAT, YEAH. GOOD CATCH. GOOD POINT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THAT. RIGHT. ANY ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE GOING TO LET MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON PUT THAT TOGETHER IN A MOTION FOR US SO WE CAN GET OUT OF HERE. WE'LL GIVE IT A SHOT. MAYOR, I DON'T THINK YOU ACTUALLY EVER CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OH, I OPENED IT BACK UP, SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN. OR MAYBE I DIDN'T IN THE FIRST TIME. SO. GOOD CATCH. IT'S GETTING LATE. ALL RIGHT, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON. YES, MAYOR. COUNCIL. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6C ZA 240011. SITE PLAN FOR RESTORATION. CHURCH PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT FOUR F THROUGH NUMBER 1511 EDITION. LOCATED AT 1280 EAST HIGHLAND AVENUE. SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 13TH, 2024 AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED AUGUST 13TH, 2024. NOTING THAT WITH THIS APPLICATION AND APPROVAL, WE'RE APPROVING THE FOLLOWING TWO VARIANCES RELATED TO SECTION 39.6 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 480, WHICH REQUIRES A MINIMUM EIGHT FOOT SOLID FENCE MEETING 39. MEETING 39 .2. B ALONG THE BOUNDARY LINES ABUTTING THE RESIDENTIAL LOT OR DWELLING. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS FENCING SCREENING TO REMAIN AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS. IS THAT ACCURATE? THE WAY I'M SAYING THAT, IT DOESN'T. YOU MAY RESTATE THAT HOWEVER YOU WISH. WHAT IT WAS REFERENCING IS THE FENCING THAT'S CURRENTLY ALONG THE BOUNDARY, WHICH THEY DID IDENTIFY ON THEIR PLAN. IT HAS PRIVACY FENCE WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARIES AND SOME OPEN WROUGHT IRON. IT'S JUST DEPENDENT UPON THE BOUNDARY, BUT IF YOU WISH TO COMPLETELY WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT WITH NO STATEMENT. SO WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN. LET'S DO THIS. WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE AS PRESENTED FOR AN EIGHT FOOT WOOD OR MASONRY FENCE, AND WHICH GIVES THE WHICH WILL GIVE THE APPLICANT FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT VARIANCE OR TO ELECT TO LANDSCAPE THAT, THAT SAME BORDER IN LIEU OF THE FENCE IF YOU WISH TO. YES, YOU MAY STATE IT IN THAT MANNER. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT TOO? OKAY. SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEING CONSISTENT WITH OUR LANDSCAPE. WELL, YEAH, AND THEN WE'LL ADD TO THAT THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE, AND THE APPLICANT WOULD WORK WITH THE LANDSCAPE ADMINISTRATOR. ON FINAL GO AHEAD ON THAT WITH THEIR PLAN. [03:25:01] OKAY. YES. YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, DENNIS? YES. OKAY, AND THEN THE SECOND VARIANCE WOULD BE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE NUMBER 634, REQUIRING A MINIMUM STACKING DEPTH OF 75FT, AND THE EXISTING WEST DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY HAS NO STACKING DEPTH. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES IMPROVING THAT DEPTH TO APPROXIMATELY 50FT. WE HAVE A MOTION DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION YOU NEED. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THAT MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. IT'S APPROVED. SITE PLAN APPROVED. THANKS FOR STICKING WITH US, GUYS. MEETING ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.