Sep 05, 2024 Planning and Zoning Commission

[1. Call to Order.]

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ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

WELCOME TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CITY HALL.

APPRECIATE YOU BEING WITH US TONIGHT.

SORRY. WE'RE STARTING A FEW MINUTES LATE.

OUR WORK SESSION RAN A COUPLE MINUTES LONG.

MY NAME IS DAN KUBIAK, CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

[4. Chairman Comments. ]

MAYBE JUST A REALLY QUICK SUMMARY IN TERMS OF HOW THESE WORK FOR ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE.

I SEE SOME REGULAR FACES AND I SEE SOME NEW FACES.

SO AS WE GO THROUGH EACH ITEM TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO MIX THE ORDER UP JUST A LITTLE BIT, AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY IN A SECOND.

WE'LL HEAR A STAFF PRESENTATION ON EACH ITEM.

AND THEN TYPICALLY THE APPLICANT WILL PROBABLY COME UP ON EACH ITEM AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE EITHER HOPEFULLY A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION OR SOME, SOME Q&A FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR EACH ITEM.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND ADDRESS US.

YOU'LL GET UP TO THREE MINUTES, WHICH WILL HAVE SOME KIND OF GREEN YELLOW RED LIGHTS UP THERE, JUST IN CONSIDERATION OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS AND ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, YOU CAN USUALLY FIND, YOU CAN SAY KIND OF WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY WITHIN THREE MINUTES, I'D SAY.

IT'S YOUR MICROPHONE, BUT TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN MAKE THE COMMENTS AS PERTINENT TO THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE REVIEWING THIS EVENING, THAT'S THE MOST HELPFUL FEEDBACK, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS THAT ARE KIND OF BEYOND OUR PURVEY.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE WILL TRY TO DELIBERATE UP HERE AND CRAFT A RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER FOR CITY COUNCIL.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF HOW THE MEETINGS WORK.

I'LL GO THROUGH THE ORDER IN A SECOND, BUT JUST WANTED TO SEE ARE THERE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING?

[3. Administrative Comments. ]

WE HAVE CANCELED THAT MEETING DUE TO CONFLICT WITH THE CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL HOMECOMING PARADE, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN OCTOBER DATE TO RESCHEDULE THAT.

WELL, OKAY, PROBABLY.

AS SOON AS WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.

PROBABLY A SMART MOVE.

NO. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY, SO A CORRIDOR COMMITTEE MEETING DATE TO BE DETERMINED POTENTIALLY IN OCTOBER.

SO WE'LL ALL EXCITEDLY KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THAT.

I'VE MADE THE CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS ON THE AGENDA.

SO MAYBE WE'LL JUST HANDLE THE MINUTES REAL QUICK, AND THEN I'LL TALK ABOUT AGENDA ORDER.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR AUGUST 22ND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

[5. Consider: Approval of the minutes for the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on August 22, 2024.]

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THOSE ITEMS, OR CAN WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? LOOKS LIKE WE CAN PROBABLY TAKE A MOTION ON IT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVED ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA MEETING, WHICH IS THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 22ND, 2024 MEETING.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S VOTE PLEASE.

PASSES 6 TO 0, WITH ONE ABSTENTION.

OUR STEP UP STAND IN VICE CHAIR DOWN THERE IS STILL ON A ROLL HERE FROM THE LAST COUPLE MEETINGS, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE VICE CHAIR STEPPING UP THE REST OF THE MEETING.

SO WITH THAT, THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT FIRST WHICH IS THE ZONING CHANGE CONCEPT PLAN FOR NORTH WHITES CHAPEL WHICH I BELIEVE THAT APPLICANT HAS PROBABLY THE YOUNGEST PERSON IN THE ROOM.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND DO THEM A FAVOR AND MOVE THEM ALONG AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND THEN WE'LL STEP BACK AND WE'LL GO BACK IN ORDER TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, THEN ITEM NUMBER NINE, AND THEN PROBABLY END ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

JUST SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR, FOR ANY PRESENTATIONS OR DISCUSSIONS.

SO A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER.

APOLOGIES FOR THAT. AGAIN. THAT'LL BE EIGHT, SIX, NINE THEN SEVEN.

SO, WITH THAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND KICK OFF THE STAFF PRESENTATION ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

[8. Consider: ZA24-0043, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for 2561 N. White Chapel Blvd., on property described as Lot 2, Block 1, Woodall Addition, Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas. Current Zoning: "AG" Agricultural District. Proposed Zoning: "SF-1A" Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #1. PUBLIC HEARING]

AND THE LOCATION IS 2561 NORTH WHITECHAPEL BOULEVARD.

HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE LOT.

YOU WILL NOTE THAT THIS DOESN'T DIRECTLY HAVE STREET FRONTAGE, BUT THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN PLOTTED THIS WAY.

SO THIS IS AN EXISTING LOT.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS AG AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN.

THIS IS THE PLAT.

AND WE JUST AS A SURVEY, IT SHOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY THE TWO LOTS.

AGAIN, THE ZONING CHANGE IS JUST FOR THIS LOT HERE.

LOT TWO, THEY'RE REQUESTING THE SF1A ZONING.

AND HERE IS NORTH WHITECHAPEL.

AND IT ONLY APPLIES TO THIS LOT HERE.

THERE'S A, THESE ARE SOME RENDERINGS OF THEIR HOUSE, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED NO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES.

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I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A HOUSE ON THIS LOT.

I THINK THAT'S PLANNED TO BUILD A NEW RESIDENTIAL HOME ON THE LOT.

YES. YES. THEY'RE PLANNING TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE.

I'M SORRY. OKAY. SORRY.

JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WAS ONE THERE.

NO, I DIDN'T PHRASE THAT WELL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? JUST FOR CLARITY.

SO THE DRIVEWAY EASEMENT IS IN PLACE, AND SO THERE'S NO CONFLICT ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

CORRECT. YES. THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT WILL GO ON FOR IF THEY SELL THE LOTS OR WHATEVER, THAT'LL STILL BE IN PLACE.

YEAH. IT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAT.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM? DO YOU MIND COMING FORWARD REAL QUICK? MAYBE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

YOU CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE, SO AT LEAST WE'LL PUT IT ON THE RECORD.

I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE REST OF YOUR FAMILY BACK THERE.

YEAH. BOUNCING AROUND.

SO, DO YOU MIND STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR.

KENNETH MCEWEN? OKAY.

AND ADDRESS. AND WHAT HOME ADDRESS? THIS ADDRESS OR MY ACTUAL PHYSICAL HOME ADDRESS NOW? PHYSICAL. YOUR PHYSICAL HOME. 2333 KIRBY STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.

75204. PERFECT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? ANYONE. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

I'M NOT SEEING IT ON HERE. HOW LARGE IS THIS LOT? SQUARE FEET, 1.71.75 ACRES.

OKAY. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD. I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD YOU SHOWED UP.

THAT'S USUALLY I CAN'T PLAY IF YOU DON'T SHOW UP USUALLY HERE.

SO WE APPRECIATE IT.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

AND SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? ALL RIGHT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA.

ZA 24-0043, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 30TH, 2024 AND ALSO SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED AUGUST 30TH, 2024.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S VOTE PLEASE.

CONGRATULATIONS. PASSED SEVEN ZERO.

RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND OF COURSE, THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING DENNIS WILL BE ON.

WOW. GOT HIM SPEECHLESS.

SEPTEMBER WHEN? 19TH. 19TH.

OKAY. GOOD LUCK.

THANK YOU. OKAY. NO.

NO. NO. 17.

17. SORRY. WE'LL AMEND THE RECORD.

SEPTEMBER 17TH WILL BE THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, ASSUMING THIS ITEM MAKES THE AGENDA.

SO NOW WE WILL JUMP BACK TO ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA.

[6. Consider: ZA24-0041, Specific Use Permit for a Private School for Carrus Care Southlake, on property described as Lot 11, LBG Hall No. 686 Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 600 W. Southlake Blvd., Suite 120, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #6 PUBLIC HEARING ]

I THINK AT 1709.

SORRY. YES.

YES. THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL.

AND THIS IS FOR KERRY'S CARE SOUTHLAKE, WHICH IS A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PRIVATE DAY SCHOOL, AND THEY ARE WANTING TO OPERATE OUT OF SUITE 120 AT 600 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

THE CORNER OF 1709 AND SHADY OAKS.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS SP ONE DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS A SITE PLAN AND TRAFFIC PLAN EXHIBIT THAT THEY PROVIDED.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS IS THE ENTRANCE.

HOW THEY WANT THE TRAFFIC FLOW TO GO AROUND AND EXIT UP HERE.

THERE'S ALSO AN ENTRANCE HERE AND THEY GO AROUND AND EXIT UP HERE AGAIN.

AND YOU CAN SEE IN THIS LITTLE CORNER UP HERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE SUITE 120 IS IN THIS BUILDING.

IT'S JUST THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE.

JUST SOME NARRATIVE HIGHLIGHTS.

CARRUS IS A BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL.

SO THIS SCHOOL IS A PRIVATE SCHOOL TO FACILITATE, FACILITATE SOME SCHOOLING FOR CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE INPATIENT BEHAVIORAL HEALTH HOSPITAL.

AND NOW THEY ARE.

THIS IS AN OPTION FOR CONTINUING CARE.

THE PATIENTS ARE THERE FROM ROUGHLY 9 A.M.

TO 5 P.M., AND THERE'S THREE CLASSROOMS WITH A MAXIMUM OF 12 STUDENTS PER CLASSROOM.

EACH CLASSROOM HAS A THERAPIST AND AN AIDE.

THERE'S ALSO A FULL TIME NURSE, A PART TIME PSYCHIATRIST, A RECEPTIONIST, AND AN INTAKE MANAGER.

WE HAVE RECEIVED NO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

SO, IT'S BASICALLY GOING TO BE LIKE AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE AND THEN CLASSROOMS. YEAH. YES.

IT'S WELL IT'S PRIMARILY I'D SAY CLASSROOMS.

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OKAY. BUT THERE IS AN OFFICE COMPONENT TO IT.

OKAY. WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT, BUT I GUESS WAS THERE ANY TIME PERIOD REQUESTED ON THIS SUP.

NO, BUT TYPICALLY IN THE PAST, THESE HAVE BEEN TIED TO THE LEASE.

YEP. WE WILL.

WE'LL ASK THEM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? DO YOU MIND? SAME.

SAME DRILL. IF YOU DON'T MIND.

COME UP TO THE PODIUM.

JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

IT CAN BE PERSONAL OR BUSINESS ADDRESS.

AND THEN WE'LL JUST PROBABLY HAVE A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS IF THAT'S OKAY.

NATASHA KING AND I'M REPRESENTING CARRAS AND THEN HOME ADDRESSES 2340 WHITE OAK IN LITTLE ELM, TEXAS 75068. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO YOU KNOW THE LENGTH OF YOUR LEASE TERM IN THIS BUILDING? BECAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE'LL TIE THE TIMING BACK TO FOR THIS SPECIAL USE.

I BELIEVE IT'S I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE.

IT'S EITHER THREE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS.

OKAY. MAYBE WE'LL WORK WITH ON THE MOTION WITH STAFF.

I GUESS MAYBE WE'LL JUST WE'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT WE'LL TIE IT TO THE PRIMARY TERM OF THE LEASE, WHICH MAY BE EITHER 3 OR 5 YEARS TO BE DETERMINED BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. YEAH, CERTAINLY.

AND IN SOME CASES WHERE THEY'VE HAD OPTIONS TO EXTEND IT, IT'S INCLUDED ANY.

INCLUDING ANY CONTRACTUAL LEASE EXTENSIONS.

OKAY. YES, THAT'S SOUND GOOD, COUNSELOR.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WHAT ARE THE AGES OF THE STUDENTS? IN OUR OUTPATIENT LOCATIONS? WE TAKE FROM 8 TO 17, SO THEY'RE DIVIDED BY AGES.

SO, ONE CLASSROOM MAY BE 8 TO 11.

AND THEN WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES.

SO WE HAVE A FAITH BASED CLASSROOM, A MENTAL HEALTH CLASSROOM AND THEN A PD CLASSROOM.

SO IT IS DIVIDED BY AGE.

AND DEPENDING ON THEIR DEVELOPMENTAL STAGE THAT 12 YEAR OLD CAN SWING.

AND THEN FOR THE STUDENTS HOW LONG WOULD THEY BE IN THE CLASS.

LIKE WHAT DOES THE DAY LOOK LIKE? SO THEY HAVE THERAPY.

THEY HAVE SCHOOLWORK.

THEY HAVE LUNCH.

WE DON'T PROVIDE IT. THEY BRING THEIR OWN LUNCH.

AND THEN THEY MAY HAVE INDIVIDUAL THERAPY.

THEY MAY HAVE A FAMILY SESSION.

IT JUST DEPENDS.

OKAY. BUT EVERY DAY THEY HAVE THE THERAPY.

THEY HAVE THE SCHOOLWORK, OF COURSE LUNCH BREAKS.

OKAY, SO ARE THEY THERE THE ENTIRE DAY? LIKE, WHAT WOULD THE TYPICAL STUDENT'S LENGTH OF TIME BE AT THE LOCATION? ABOUT NINE TO MAYBE THREE ISH.

WE'RE OPEN UNTIL FIVE, BUT THE KIDS AREN'T THERE UNTIL FIVE.

OKAY. AND THEN SO DURING THE DAY WHEN THEY'RE THERE FROM, SAY, 9 TO 3, OR IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO HAVE A BREAK? I MEAN, AND WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WE'RE OBVIOUSLY RIGHT TO CLOSE TO 1709.

IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO BE OUT AND MULLING AROUND IN THE PARKING LOT, OR GETTING CLOSE TO 1709, OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO OUTSIDE UNTIL THEIR PARENTS COME PICK THEM UP.

SO THEY'RE NOT OUT? YEAH, THEY'RE NOT OUT.

OKAY. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE I GUESS YOU HAVE YOU OWN OR MANAGE OR THE COMPANY RUNS OTHER FACILITIES, SO THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE.

YES. WE ARE IN MULTIPLE OTHER LOCATIONS.

CURRENTLY WE'RE IN FRISCO.

WE'RE IN MANSFIELD.

WE'RE IN MCKINNEY.

WE'RE IN FLOWER MOUND.

AND THEN OUR INPATIENTS IN SHERMAN.

OKAY. ANY OTHER? WELL, MY QUESTION TO THE STAFF WAS, I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES HERE? CORRECT. SO THE STAFF THAT WAS LISTED IN THERE, THE INTAKE MANAGER, THE NURSE, THE THERAPIST HAVE AN OFFICE? YES. WHEN THE PSYCHIATRIST IS THERE, THEY HAVE AN OFFICE.

YEAH. AND WHERE IS YOUR HEADQUARTERS? FOR THE WHOLE GROUP. FOR ALL YOUR LOCATIONS.

OUR CORPORATE LOCATION.

WE'RE OUT OF SHERMAN, WHERE THE INPATIENT HOSPITAL IS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.

THANKS. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT WITH THE LANDLORD.

I'M NOT SURE IF THE LANDLORD IS HERE, BUT I'M CURIOUS IF THEY HAD ANY CONCERNS.

CLEARLY THEY DON'T. BUT BANK OK JUST FROM A CIRCULATION STANDPOINT.

AND THE DRIVE THROUGH AND ALL THAT STUFF, I ASSUME THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED AND THOUGHT THROUGH.

YES. AND IT'S WORKING AT OUR OTHER LOCATIONS AS WELL.

OKAY. OKAY.

I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ON A DAILY BASIS WOULD PROBABLY BE USED.

LIKE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER.

IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF EMPLOYEES, BUT YOU MENTIONED SOME FAMILY THERAPY, SO THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER CAR.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S BY APPOINTMENT.

SO JUST FOR THE STAFF, THE KIDS DON'T DRIVE.

THEY'RE DROPPED OFF.

SO. MAYBE TEN AT THE MOST.

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ANY OTHER? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

SO YOU MENTIONED IT WAS 9 A.M..

DO THEY USUALLY GET DROPPED OFF EARLIER? I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WITH, LIKE, THE DURHAM TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING, HOW THAT'S KIND OF CROWDED SO THEY CAN.

WE DO OFFER THAT WE OPEN AT EIGHT FOR STAFF TO GET IN AND THEN SO THEY CAN IF PARENTS HAVE TO GO TO WORK, WE DO OFFER.

THEY CAN DROP OFF BETWEEN LIKE 830 AND NINE.

SO IT'S NOT ALL ONE TIME.

THEY'RE ALL ARRIVING AT 9 A.M..

NO. OKAY.

THANKS. LAST CALL.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'VE GOT ALL OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED FOR NOW.

IF WE THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK.

OKAY? THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT UP TO ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

AND SEEING NO ONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OTHER THAN THE TIMING, I GUESS, AMENDMENT ON THE SUB.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? GOOD.

OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA.

ZA 24 0041, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 30TH, 2024.

ALSO SUBJECT TO THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED AUGUST 30TH, 2024, AND NOTING THAT THE RECOMMENDATION BE THAT THE SUP IS FOR A LENGTH OF TERM TIED TO THE PRIMARY LEASE AND ANY EXTENSIONS EXERCISED BY THIS TENANT, AND WOULD ALSO ASK THAT THE TENANT GET THE TERM OF THE LEASE PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

SOUND GOOD? STAFF ARE GETTING A NOD.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE, PLEASE.

PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK.

IF YOU MAKE THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL AGENDA, WHICH IS ON SEPTEMBER 17TH.

NOW WE WILL JUMP TO ITEM NUMBER NINE WHICH IS A ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN FOR ANOTHER ITEM ON WHITES CHAPEL

[9. Consider: ZA24-0054, Zoning Change and Site Plan for 1310-1360 N. White Chapel Blvd., on property described as Lots 13R1 - 13R5, T.M. Hood No. 706 Addition, Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. Proposed Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #5. PUBLIC HEARING ]

ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN.

THIS IS FOR A COMMERCIAL SCHOOL OR TUTORING ACADEMY FOR TUTOR OF DRAGONS, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 1320 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD.

AND BASICALLY, THEY'RE JUST SEEKING TO AMEND THE ZONING TO ALLOW THE COMMERCIAL SCHOOL TUTORING ACADEMY.

THERE'S NO ACTUAL PHYSICAL CHANGES TO THE SITE.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

THE BOUNDARY OF THE SP1 DISTRICT IS SHOWN IN BLUE, AND THEN THE BUILDING IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE WHERE TUTOR OF DRAGONS IS LOCATED.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS SP1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT.

AND THIS IS THEIR EXHIBIT OF THEIR BUILDING JUST SHOWING HOW THEY HAVE THE BUILDING LAID OUT.

AND THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED A TYPICAL SCHEDULE.

THEY DID INDICATE IN THEIR NARRATIVE THAT THEY ARE PRIMARILY OPEN DURING EVENING HOURS AND ON THE WEEKENDS.

AND THAT AT THE HIGH END, THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD EXPECT NO MORE THAN 40 PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING AT A TIME.

WE HAVE RECEIVED NO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING FOR THIS ITEM.

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU MIND COMING UP.

SAME. SAME DRILL.

IF YOU DON'T MIND. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS CAN BE BUSINESS ADDRESS, PERSONAL ADDRESS, WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT TO PROVIDE FOR THE RECORD.

AND THEN WE'LL. MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS ROBERT PRESLEY.

WE RESIDE AT 1345 LAKESIDE DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

WE'VE BEEN RESIDENTS HERE SINCE ABOUT 1992, YEAR 92 OR 93.

WOW, I HAD TO COME.

WE WILL NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD, I HAD TO WAIT.

HAD TO WAIT FOR IT. HE'S GOT YOU.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

ANY QUESTIONS? I GUESS I WAS GOING TO ASK KIND OF ABOUT HOURS AND NUMBER OF KIDS, WHICH IT SOUNDED LIKE STAFF KIND OF ADDRESSED.

BUT IT'S A VERY FLUID SITUATION.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY WHAT OUR HOURS WOULD BE.

THERE ARE TIMES WHEN A PARENT MIGHT CALL, OR IN FACT, THE STUDENT MIGHT CALL US AND SAY, GOSH, I HAVE THIS TEST TODAY AND I DON'T GET IT. WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OF OUR TUTORS IN THERE AT 6:00 IN THE MORNING TO WORK WITH THEM PRIOR TO THE TEST.

THAT WOULD BE A FREAK KIND OF ARRANGEMENT.

IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN THAT OFTEN, BUT WE COULD HAVE.

THE MORNING HOURS ARE RESERVED FOR ONE ON ONE TUTORING SESSIONS WITH INDIVIDUAL TUTORS WILL BE IN THERE.

THEY'LL TAKE ONE, MAYBE TWO CHILDREN IN THEIR OFFICES.

THE BIG PART OF OUR BUSINESS HAPPENS, OF COURSE, WHEN SCHOOL GETS OUT.

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AND WE COULD HAVE AND WE HAVE COMMITTED TO THIS POINT IN TALKING WITH STAFF THAT WE WILL NOT OPERATE ANY MORE THAN TWO OF OUR CLASSROOMS AT ONE TIME.

THAT BEING THAT KEEPING IT DOWN BELOW THAT 40 NUMBER.

IF WE WERE EVER TO DISCOVER, BECAUSE WE TEACH IN THREE DIFFERENT MANNERS, WE DELIVER IN PERSON.

WE DELIVER VIA THE INTERNET OR ZOOM, AND THERE ARE ALSO RECORDINGS AVAILABLE OF EVERYTHING THAT TRANSPIRES IN OUR CLASSROOMS SO THAT THE STUDENTS CAN GRAB THAT FOR REINFORCEMENT, SHALL WE SAY, COME TEST DAY.

AND THOSE STUDENTS THAT ARE UNABLE TO MAKE THE PROGRAM CERTAINLY CAN REQUEST AND PAY FOR THOSE TAPES AT THE SAME TIME.

SO IN THE EVENT THAT WE DISCOVER WE HAVE A CLASSROOM THAT GOES PRIMARILY TO THE ONLINE SIDE, AT THAT POINT, WE MIGHT DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF BRINGING ON A OF OPENING UP A THIRD CLASSROOM DURING THAT TIME SLOT.

EVERYTHING'S SLOTTED OFF IN HOURS.

WE TRY TO MAINTAIN A SPLIT BETWEEN THE START AND STOP TIMES, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FLOOD OF CATTLE HEADED OUT THE DOOR.

DOES THAT SATISFY THE QUESTION? YEAH. AND AS FAR AS DENNIS WRITING, I MEAN, I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT ANYTHING WE WRITE INTO A ZONING IN TERMS OF JUST CAPACITY OR CLASSROOMS, JUST TO YOUR POINT, TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE.

SO IT'S I MEAN, I GUESS IS THERE ANYTHING RELATIVE TO THAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD DO FOR THAT, LIKE MAXIMUM OF 40 STUDENTS OR.

I MEAN, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED 2 OR 2 CLASSROOMS, MAYBE THREE.

I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL WE DON'T BOX IT IN TOO TIGHT.

SURE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE BOUND BY WHAT THEIR OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING ITSELF IS AND THE NUMBER OF EGRESS POINTS THAT THEY HAVE.

AND SO WE CAN USE OUR ORDINANCES TO JUST ADDRESS THAT WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING SPECIAL IN THE ZONING.

MY BELIEF IS, YES.

PERFECT. OKAY. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THOUGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

THIS ITEM SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALREADY CLOSED ON THE BUILDING, WHICH IT SOUNDED LIKE WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE IN TERMS OF THIS USE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.

SO YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IF ONE GOES TO THE SOUTHLAKE WEBSITE, THERE IS NOTHING THERE TO POINT OUT TO THE NECESSITIES OF SOME OF THESE ACTIONS. NO, NO, CERTAINLY IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON OUR PART.

WE UNDERSTAND.

SO OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TONIGHT.

WE DO OWN THE BUILDING SO.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. ITEM NUMBER NINE ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF ANYONE WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

AND SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASSUME YOU'RE ALL HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

SO WITH THAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? I JUST WISH THEY'D HAD THIS WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL.

WHEN WAS THAT? WELL, I CAME OVER ON THE ARK.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR AWARD-WINNING COMMISSIONER HERE.

20. 20 YEARS.

21 YEARS. 21 YEARS.

RIGHT? YEAH. HE MENTIONED IN THE WORK SESSION THAT HE'S BEEN WORKING ON AIR CONDITIONING SINCE THE BEGINNING.

YEAH. SINCE THE BEGINNING THEY WERE INVENTED.

YEAH. I KNEW DOCTOR CARRIER.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS WE WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

ITEM NUMBER NINE ON THE AGENDA.

ZA 24-0054, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 30TH, 2024.

MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE, PLEASE.

CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK.

SEVEN ZERO APPROVAL.

AND AGAIN, IF YOU MAKE THE AGENDA, THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, SEPTEMBER 17TH.

SO. ALL RIGHT.

THAT LEAVES US THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS A ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CARILLON PARK.

[7. Consider: ZA24-0042, Zoning Change and Development Plan for Carillon Pare Plaza District, on property described as Tracts 3A4, 3A4A, 3A5, 3A, 3A3, 3A1B, and a portion of Tracts 1E, 1D, and 3A1, Larkin H. Chivers Survey, Abstract No. 300, and generally located at the northeast corner of E. S.H. 114 and N. White Chapel Blvd., west of Rivera Dr., and approximately 600 ft. south of E. Kirkwood Blvd., City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas. Current Zoning: "ECZ" Employment Center Zoning District. Requested Zoning: "ECZ" Employment Center Zoning District. SPIN Neighborhood #3. PUBLIC HEARING]

THIS IS AN OVERALL AREA OF THE CARILLON PARK DEVELOPMENT.

THE NORTHERN HALF OF THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S UNDERWAY AND NEAR COMPLETION OF SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN THE SOUTHERN PORTION IS THE NON RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WHICH IS WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR AMENDMENT THIS EVENING.

LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS IS MIXED USE.

THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO IN THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER OVERLAY LAND USE CATEGORY FOR WHICH THE ZONING HAS BEEN

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ZONING DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE CURRENTLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON THE LEFT AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON THE RIGHT.

AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE APPROXIMATE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS.

THE ORIGINAL PLAN IS PROPOSED FOR APPROXIMATELY 653,000FT² OF MIXED RETAIL, OFFICE, HOTEL AND SIMILAR USES, INCLUDING 50 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS APPROXIMATELY 720,000FT² OF VARIOUS MIX OF NONRESIDENTIAL USES, INCLUDING THE LOFT COMPONENT.

THIS IS A ITEMIZED LIST OF PROPOSED CHANGES BEING REQUESTED.

THE FIRST OF WHICH IS TO CHANGE THIS OUTDOOR BELL TOWER PLAZA AREA FROM A PUBLIC PARK AREA TO A PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AREA.

THE SECOND OF WHICH WOULD BE TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE PAD SITE, ORIGINALLY IDENTIFIED FOR PUBLIC LIBRARY AND PERFORMING ARTS TO ALLOW IT FOR RETAIL, RESTAURANT, OFFICE AND PRIVATE CLUB DEVELOPMENT.

SHOULD THE LIBRARY PERFORMING ARTS NOT BE CONSTRUCTED IN THAT LOCATION, AND THEN ALSO TO DEVELOP THE WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED AS A TWO BUILDING UNIT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, ADJACENT TO WHITECHAPEL, INTO A SINGLE BUILDING SITE WITH SOME UNDER-BUILDING PARKING.

ON CHANGE NUMBER FOUR.

THIS AREA WOULD BE IMPROVED AND DEDICATED AS PUBLIC PARK AREA, APPROXIMATELY JUST UNDER THREE ACRES. AND THEN ON CHANGE NUMBER FIVE, THIS LOOP ROAD HERE IS CURRENTLY INCLUDED AS, AS PHASE ONE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE COMPLETED AND IS PLANNED TO BE PLATTED AND DEDICATED AS A PUBLIC ROAD.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THAT TO A PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE.

CHANGE NUMBER SIX WOULD BE ADDITION OF A DRIVEWAY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY ACCESSING THE 114 FRONTAGE ROAD, SUBJECT TO TXDOT PERMIT APPROVAL.

AS YOU MAY KNOW, TXDOT IS UNDERWAY WITH A REVERSAL PROJECT, AND THAT WOULD OPEN THIS AREA UP FOR ADDITIONAL ACCESSIBILITY INTO THE PROPERTY.

THE OTHER IS TO CHANGE THE MINIMUM FLOOR AREA REGULATIONS FOR THE 50 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

AND THIS NORTHERN BUILDING CURRENTLY, IT'S SET AT 2300 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM.

AND THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT THAT BE A 2300 SQUARE FOOT AVERAGE WITH A MINIMUM OF 2000FT².

THIS IS JUST A PROPOSED LAND USE MIX FROM THEIR ZONING BOOKLET.

AND PHASING PLAN.

AND THE PARK OPEN SPACE PLAN WITH IMAGES. JUST IF YOU DON'T MIND. NO.

NO COMMENTS HELP FROM THE GALLERY.

OKAY. THE ONLY SPEAKING THAT HAPPENS AT THE MEETING IS RIGHT AT THE PODIUM.

PLEASE. OR ELSE THINGS WILL.

THINGS WILL THINK.

PLEASE. PLEASE, SIR.

PLEASE. OKAY.

OKAY. TO DATE, WE'VE RECEIVED ONE LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THE ITEM.

THEY WERE FROM OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA, WHICH YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED THIS THIS EVENING.

AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT HAS THEIR PRESENTATION AS WELL, WHICH THEY CAN GET IN FURTHER DETAIL WITH YOU.

DENNIS. I GUESS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REAL QUICK.

YOU KIND OF WENT THROUGH A WORK SESSION, I GUESS SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THEY HAVE RELATIVE TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE RESIDENTIAL IN TERMS OF STATUS AND TIMING OF LIKE

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AND MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU CAN COMMENT ON WITH THAT.

I MEAN, I KNOW TIMING IS ALWAYS FLUID WITH CONSTRUCTION.

WE'VE HAD WET WEATHER. SUDDENLY I DON'T I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A FULL LIST OF THOSE CONDITIONS IN THE SLIDE PRESENTATION.

IT IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

IN GENERAL, ALL THOSE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE WITH THE LAST ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED WILL REMAIN IN PLACE.

THE APPLICANTS NOT SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING TO CHANGE THOSE OTHER THAN THE PARK DEDICATION PRIMARILY, BUT THE TIMING, THE TIMING ISSUES THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE WITH THE ORIGINAL ZONING WAS THAT THE BEFORE ANY RELEASE OF THE 79 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, THEY HAD TO COMPLETE WHAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN PHASE ONE, WHICH WAS THE STREETS AND INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS A PORTION OF THE COMMERCIAL. AND THEN A STIPULATION WAS PUT IN PLACE FOR ANY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY BEING ISSUED FOR ANY OF THE NONRESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS WOULD NOT BE RELEASED UNTIL COMPLETION OF THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND COMPLETION OF WHITECHAPEL. THAT'S IT.

KIND OF IN A NUTSHELL.

THERE'S FURTHER DETAIL IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION ITSELF THAT HELPS HIGH LEVEL.

AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THE RAMP REVERSAL PROJECT.

WAS THERE ANY TIMING ON THAT? DO YOU KNOW OF ROUGHLY.

NOT A YEAH.

I MEAN, IT'S A PROBABLY A FEW YEARS OUT.

YES. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU DENNIS.

AND BY THE WAY, JUST FOR EVERYONE IN THE GALLERY, THE STAFF REPORTS AND ALL THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY.

THEY CAN, IF YOU ASK THEM FOR COPIES OF THESE REPORTS OR PRESENTATIONS, THEY CAN GIVE ALL THAT TO YOU SO YOU CAN GET IT.

YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WAYS AS WELL, BESIDES THE SCREEN.

AND THESE MEETINGS ARE ALSO HELD ONLINE SO YOU CAN WATCH THE FOOTAGE.

SO THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS TO TO GET THE INFORMATION JUST AS AN FYI.

SO ALL GOOD DENNIS.

YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. OKAY.

I GUESS WE'LL CALL THE APPLICANT UP THIS EVENING.

AND AGAIN, I GUESS I'D SAY THE SAME THING AT THE BEGINNING.

AND NOW IS I MEAN, THIS OBVIOUSLY, THIS APPLICATION HAS A LOT OF MOVING PIECES, AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT'S KIND OF DONE AND GONE BEYOND THE PURVIEW OF THIS GROUP.

WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT REALLY TO FOCUS ON, I THINK, IS JUST THESE SEVEN BULLET POINTS THAT THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE EITHER RECOMMENDING OR NOT.

SO I KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF PROBABLY LOTS OF TOPICS ON THIS, BUT AS FAR AS WHAT THIS GROUP WILL BE FOCUSED ON TONIGHT, IT'LL BE THESE SEVEN ITEMS. SO I'D SAY THE SAME THING TO YOU.

WHAT'S NOT NECESSARILY KIND OF REPRESENT THE ENTIRE THING.

LET'S JUST FOCUS ON THE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR MODIFICATIONS ON.

DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

MY NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YEAH. JOHN TERRELL, 1710 HUNTER'S CREEK HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

JUST REAL QUICK.

THIS IS A LOOK AT THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.

JUST HIGHLIGHT REAL QUICK WHAT'S HAPPENED SO FAR THAT THAT AREA IS WHERE WE DID THE 79 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE RENDERINGS THAT THE BUILDERS ARE GOING TO TAKE AND START CONSTRUCTION.

THESE ARE THE VARIOUS CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS THAT HAVE ALREADY CONTRACTED ON ALL OF THOSE LOTS IN THERE.

THE PHASE ONE, AS DENNIS MENTIONED, IS WHAT'S SHOWN IN PURPLE.

ALL THOSE STREETS, THE MASQUERADING IN BOTH THE COMMERCIAL AND ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.

AND THAT'S COMPLETE WHERE WE LACK ONE VERY SMALL THING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE MOMENTARILY AND THAT WILL BE READY TO GO.

SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE COMPLETION OF PHASE ONE AND SEEING ALL THE WORK THAT'S OUT THERE.

THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, THIS IS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AERIALS FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

THIS IS LOOKING KIND OF IN A SOUTHEASTERLY DIRECTION FROM THE CORNER OF KIRKWOOD AND WHITE'S CHAPEL.

SO, YOU CAN SEE THE CONSTRUCTION OF WHAT'S TAKEN PLACE ON WHITE'S CHAPEL, AS WELL AS ALL THE INTERIOR ROADS AND UTILITIES AND MASS GRADING, LOOKING IN A SOUTHWEST DIRECTION AT THE SITE.

AND THEN THIS IS UP AT THE COMMERCIAL AREA, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING.

THIS IS A GOOD SHOT RIGHT THERE AT THE HARD CORNER OF 114 AND WHITE'S CHAPEL AT THE NORTH EAST CORNER, SHOWING ADDITIONALLY THE PHASE ONE COMMERCIAL IMPROVEMENTS OF THE ROAD THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE AT THE ENTRANCE OVER ON WHITE'S CHAPEL AND THE ENTRANCE EXIT ON THE 114 CORRIDOR.

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AND AS WE KIND OF TALK ABOUT LATER, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS ABOUT DETENTION.

AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY, WE BELIEVE TO GET THE DETENTION ACROSS WHAT WAS ALWAYS PROJECTED AND IDENTIFIED TO GET THE STORMWATER FROM THE 42 ACRE SITE ACROSS TO THE PONDS THAT WERE BUILT AS A RETENTION, REGIONAL RETENTION, DETENTION ACROSS THIS TEN ACRE SITE. AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THAT LANDOWNER NOW, WE BELIEVE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL GOING THERE.

THIS IS ANOTHER JUST SHOT OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT YOU CAN SEE WITH THE TREES ARE LOCATED.

AND JUST AS A REMINDER, WE DID NOT CLEAR CUT TREES ON THAT NORTH SIDE TREES DID NOT EXIST WHEN WE CAME OUT THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY.

AND THAT WAS 16 OF THE 42 ACRES.

I'M NOT GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE SAME LIST THAT DENNIS JUST DID.

I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP INTO EACH ONE.

AND SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE PROPOSED REVISION CHANGING THE DEDICATION OF PUBLIC PARK SPACE TO OPEN SPACE.

YOU CAN SEE THE APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN ON THE LEFT.

AND WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING OVER ON THE RIGHT FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN.

THIS WOULD ACTUALLY KEEP WHAT IS IN THE JUG HANDLE OF THE AREA ON THE FAR WESTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.

LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE FOOTBALL SHAPE.

PLUS THE AREA ON THE EAST SIDE.

SO YOU'D HAVE ABOUT 2.9 ACRES AT ACTUAL PUBLIC PARK DEDICATION.

AND THEN BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE ISSUES REGARDING MAINTENANCE AND MANAGEMENT OF THE AREA AROUND THE FOUNTAIN. WE'RE ASKING TO CHANGE IT, LEAVING IT EXACTLY THE SAME IN TERMS OF THE LOOK, THE FEEL, THE OPERATIONS AS WOULD HAVE BEEN AS A PUBLIC PARK. BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO ENTER INTO SOME KIND OF MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY ON THE OPERATIONAL HOURS OF WHO'S GOING TO MANAGE THE OPERATIONS OF THE FOUNTAIN, WHEN IT'S GOING TO PLAY LIKE BELLAGIO DOES AT CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, HALF HOUR INCREMENTS AND WHO'S GOING TO COME OUT.

AND WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MUSICIANS WALKING AROUND THE OPERATION OF THE KIOSKS IN THERE.

AND WE'VE WE FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT EASIER FOR THE CITY AND FOR US TO MOVE THAT BACK TO OPEN SPACE.

IT'S STILL GIVING THE PUBLIC THE EXACT SAME THING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL ALONG, JUST AS COMPARISON, THAT PUBLIC PORTION OR MOVING TO OPEN SPACE IS ABOUT 3.9 ACRES. FOR A COMPARISON, RUSTIN PARK IS ROUGHLY 2.8 ACRES, WHICH IS ALL THE FRONT PARK AREA IN FRONT ALL THE WAY UP TO 1709 IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S A GOOD SIZE AREA.

THEN THE AREA THAT'S IN BLUE OR OUTLINED IN BLUE, THE PUBLIC BUILDING OR PARK OR OPEN SPACE.

WE KNOW THE CITY HASN'T MADE A FINAL DECISION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE LIBRARY.

THAT'S STILL BEING CONTEMPLATED.

IF THE CITY WE WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THIS KIND OF OPEN, THAT IF THE CITY DECIDED THAT IT WOULD LIKE TO DO THE LIBRARY THERE, THAT WE'VE GOT SOME TIME FRAME THAT ALLOWS THAT TO STILL BE USED AS A LIBRARY.

WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT PUTTING IN THE ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT FACILITY ANYWAY, SO THAT COST COMES OFF OF THE CITY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY MAYBE A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO CONTEMPLATED.

SO THE COSTS OF I THINK WOULD BE INCREDIBLY COMPETITIVE WITH ANY OTHER LOCATION AND CERTAINLY PRODUCE MUCH MORE ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR THE CITY BEING BUILT IN CAROLINE PARK, AND I JUST CAN'T REITERATE ENOUGH THAT CHANGING THIS TO OPEN SPACE DOES NOT CHANGE THE USE, THE PURPOSE, THE DESIGN, ALL THE FEATURES INSIDE THAT AREA THAT WAS PARK, AND WE WILL STILL MAINTAIN THAT AND BUILD THAT WATER FEATURE.

SOME OF WHAT THAT DOES IS IT REMOVES THE CITY'S OBLIGATION TO REIMBURSE FOR 50% OF A $4.5 MILLION WATER FOUNTAIN. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ON THAT WHOLE THING.

BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE INCENTIVE DISCUSSION THAT WE WON'T GET INTO HERE.

BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE THE OBLIGATIONS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THOSE REQUESTS CONCERNING INCENTIVES.

IT DOES REDUCE THE CITY'S REIMBURSEMENTS, THE COST TO MAINTAIN AND STAFF HOURS TO MANAGE A PARK.

IT DOES CREATE ADDITIONAL SALES TAXES BECAUSE MOVING FROM THE PARK, WHICH WOULD BE TAX EXEMPT.

MOVING IT TO OPEN SPACE DOES BECOME TAXABLE PROPERTY AS WELL AS A REDUCTION IN CITY COSTS.

THE DEVELOPER WILL STILL BUILD THE ROAD AND UTILITIES AND ACCESS TO THE NEW FACILITY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT BECOMES A LIBRARY OR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN THAT BLUE AREA. NO REQUIREMENT FOR A SEPARATE PARK MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT ALLOWS US TO BETTER PROGRAM ALL THE ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THAT ENTIRE OPEN SPACE AREA, AS WELL

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AND IT DOES ALLOW FLEXIBILITY OF FUTURE MODIFICATIONS, WHICH WAS ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT CONCERN FOR US, AS THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS THAT ONCE DEDICATED AS A PUBLIC PARK, IF YOU NEED TO TWEAK A BUILDING AND MOVE IT IN AND REARRANGE, THERE'S MAJOR HOOPS TO JUMP AND HURDLES TO JUMP OVER TO MODIFY A ALREADY DEDICATED PUBLIC PARK.

SO THAT THAT CREATES US OR ALLOWS US THE ABILITY THAT IF THE BUILDING SLIGHTLY CHANGES, WE'VE STILL GOT THE SAME ACREAGE, BUT IT'S NOT CONFIGURED THE SAME. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO SOME KIND OF PUBLIC REFERENDUM TO CHANGE THE PARK.

REAL QUICK ON THAT ONE.

AND JUST BECAUSE BIG PICTURE YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF THIS, I GUESS.

SURE. YOU KNOW, WE HEARD THIS, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, PLUS OR MINUS A YEAR AGO, AND WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL DENIED IT SEVEN ZERO.

AND THIS IS LARGELY THE SAME REQUEST, AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT THERE SEEMED TO BE A LOT OF ANGST ABOUT FROM A COUNCIL LEVEL.

I GUESS WHAT HAS CHANGED HERE, EITHER IN THE REQUEST AND OR CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL.

SO THERE HAVE BEEN MANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL.

YOU KNOW, NOT NOT TO GO INTO A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUES, BUT IN THE LAST MEETING THAT LAST OCTOBER THE SIGNIFICANT REASON THAT THERE WERE ISSUES WAS A PERCEIVED AGREEMENT THAT THE DEVELOPER HAD WITH THE HOSPITAL SAINT JUDE HOSPITAL AND MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

IT WAS THOUGHT THAT WE MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR A GROUNDBREAKING PRIOR TO ANY KIND OF APPROVALS.

SO IF YOU RECALL LISTENING TO THAT, THEY SAID, WELL, THERE MAY BE SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE FINE WITH, BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO DENY IT AS A WHOLE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WERE CERTAIN ONES THAT THERE WERE STRUGGLES WITH AND THERE WERE OTHERS THAT WEREN'T.

YES. AND SO WE'RE BASICALLY BRINGING BACK VERY SIMILAR.

WE DIDN'T HAVE WE DIDN'T AT THAT TIME TALK ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE OR THE PARK CHANGE TO OPEN SPACE.

THAT WAS NOT IN LAST YEAR'S APPROVAL REQUEST.

WE WEREN'T ASKING FOR A CHANGE TO OPEN SPACE BECAUSE WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT OF THE PARK AT THAT TIME.

IS THAT RIGHT? THE ONLY THING THAT DID COME IN WAS THIS THE BUILDING ABOUT THE LIBRARY.

I MEAN, ON THE LAST TWO SLIDES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE LIBRARY.

AND IF THE LIBRARY DIDN'T OCCUR TO ALLOW US TO DO ABOUT A 25,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

AND THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE COUNCIL IS WILLING TO LISTEN TO.

AND WE'VE GOT SOME NUMBERS THAT SHOW WHAT KIND OF TAX GENERATION CAN OCCUR.

AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY HAS MADE A DECISION ABOUT THE LIBRARY.

SO, WE WANT TO LEAVE THAT OPEN.

I THINK ON THIS ONE WHEN I WAS RECALLING WAS OUR CORRIDOR COMMITTEE MEETING, YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS AGO WHERE THIS WAS PART OF IT.

AND YES, WE ONLY HAD TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FOCAL POINT OF THE DISCUSSION, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.

OKAY. I DON'T THE OPEN SPACE VERSUS PARK SPACE IS A BRAND NEW THING.

IT WAS NOT AT THE CORRIDOR.

THIS ITEM DID COME UP AT THE CORRIDOR MEETING THOUGH.

THE BUILDING DID.

ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE PROPOSED REVISION.

YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. THAT WAS PART OF THE CORRIDOR MEETING DISCUSSION.

YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S WHERE I REMEMBER IT FROM.

OKAY. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE HERE.

SO AND I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME WILLINGNESS AND, AND, AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT WAS EVER CONTEMPLATED THROUGH THE PAST SEVEN YEARS OF PRESENTATIONS THAT EVEN IF IT WAS A PARK THAT THE CITY, IT WAS NEVER CONTEMPLATED THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO MANAGE THE OPERATIONS OF THE FOUNTAIN AND THE ACTIVITIES IN THE PARK THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPER DRIVEN TO CORRESPOND WITH ALL OF THE TENANTS ACTIVITIES, ETC..

SO THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE IF IT HAD TO REMAIN PARKED, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER CANNOT BUILD A $5 MILLION FOUNTAIN AND THEN HAVE THE CITY CONTROLLING ITS OPERATIONS.

OKAY. ANY OTHER? WELL, MAYBE WE'LL JUST GO ITEM BY ITEM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.

OKAY. WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK.

OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.

SO THEN ITEM TWO, I THINK I KIND OF ALREADY RAN THROUGH A LITTLE BIT AS WELL, WHICH IS JUST ABOUT LEAVING THAT AVAILABLE FOR THE LIBRARY.

BUT IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO DO THE LIBRARY WITHIN SOME CERTAIN AGREED TO TIME THAT WE WOULD BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A 25,000 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL TYPE BUILDING WOULD STILL BE ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S SHOWN IN OUR RENDERINGS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PLAN EARLIER ON.

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AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY IN THE PROPOSED PARK WHEN WE LAST MADE THIS PRESENTATION, THE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION BETWEEN VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THERE'S KIND OF DIFFERING OPINIONS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS WILL BE A LIBRARY, WHETHER IT COULD BE A PERFORMING ARTS, WHETHER IT WOULD BE A TAX GENERATING COMMERCIAL, AND WHETHER IT MIGHT INCLUDE SOME KIND OF MILITARY MONUMENT OR STRUCTURE OUT THERE.

MEMORIAL AND TRIBUTE TO THE MILITARY.

DEVELOPER PURPOSES.

WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY INCLUDE THE LIBRARY PERFORMING ARTS AS A PERMITTED USE FOR SURE.

PRESERVE OPTIONS FOR THE USE TO BE LOCATED IN CARILLON PARK SHOULD THE FINANCIAL CONDITIONS CHANGE FOR THE CITY, WHICH THAT WAS THE MAIN PURPOSE, OR THE REASON FOR THE DISCUSSION THAT THE CITY GAVE WHEN THEY KIND OF PULLED BACK ON THE LIBRARY AND DEVELOPER BELIEVES THAT CAN BUILD LESS EXPENSIVELY AND PROVIDE MORE ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR CARILLON PARK. IF IT DOES.

DO EITHER OF THE LIBRARY OR A PRIVATE COMMERCIAL BUILDING? AND SHOULD THE CITY AND DEVELOPER AGREE TO THE TERMS TO CONSTRUCT A LIBRARY, THEN THAT AREA IN BLUE WOULD BE DEDICATED BACK AS PUBLIC PARK BECAUSE IT WOULD BE PART OF THE PUBLIC FACILITY.

AND THEN THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED AS PUBLIC PARK.

IF NOT, IT WOULD JUST REMAIN PRIVATE SECTOR AND THEN TAXABLE VALUE ON THAT LAND.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, AND THE REASON WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, IS THAT WE'VE NOW REACHED THE END OF PHASE ONE.

WE'RE READY TO MOVE INTO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF PHASE TWO, WHICH IS GOING TO REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANTLY MORE ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY GOING TO COST A MILLION AND A HALF TO $2 MILLION TO DO PHASE ONE ON THE COMMERCIAL.

YOU CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURE UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH BUILDING TWO, THE PARK.

AND THEN THAT WILL THEN ALLOW US TO GIVE DIRECTION IMMEDIATELY UPON, IF WE DO GET APPROVAL TO THE ENGINEERS TO GET GOING ON THIS, SO THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY START GOING VERTICAL.

END OF FIRST QUARTER IN 25.

THIS ONE WE REALLY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BRING FOR APPROVAL.

THIS ONE IS MORE OF A NOTICE.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO COMBINE THOSE TWO BUILDINGS INTO ONE.

THAT WILL COME BACK WITH A SITE PLAN REVIEW AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

THERE WAS AN INDICATION AT THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE AND SOME OF OUR PRIOR MEETINGS THAT IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE EASEMENT ACROSS THE TEN ACRE TRACT TO DRAIN THE STORMWATER IN THAT DIRECTION, THAT WE WOULD BUILD A LARGE POND IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT EASTERN PARK.

THAT WHEN WE DID THE ENGINEERING FINALLY THAT WAS GOING TO TAKE UP THAT ENTIRE PARK SPACE AND WIPE OUT ALL THE TREES.

SO WE'VE MADE A DETERMINATION.

THOSE ARE TOO VALUABLE TO THE OVERALL PROJECT AND THAT IF WE CANNOT FOR SOME REASON, GET THE DRAINAGE RIGHTS ACROSS THE TEN ACRES, THAT WE WILL DO UNDERGROUND DETENTION UNDER THE BUILDINGS, THE OFFICE BUILDINGS WHERE THE NUMBER FOUR IS LOCATED, SO WE WILL STILL TAKE CARE OF THE REQUIRED DETENTION.

IT JUST WOULDN'T. WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD A GIANT POND AND WIPE OUT ALL THE TREES THERE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ALL THE COMMUNITY WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING, AND IT WAS JUST TOO LARGE A POND.

IT TOOK UP THE ENTIRE AREA.

NUMBER FIVE IS INTERESTING.

YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAD WAS THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVALS AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE PUBLIC ROADWAY.

AFTER A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS LIKE KIRBY'S, NOT KIRBY'S ALBANESE AND OTHERS, THEY NEED A LOT OF DEDICATED VALET PARKING AND A VALET SERVICE AREA THAT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO PUBLIC ROADWAY.

THE ROADWAY THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE THAT IS ALREADY CONSTRUCTED IS TWO WAY IT CAN HANDLE ALL THE TRAFFIC.

AND SO OUR REQUEST IS TO TAKE THAT.

WE BUILD IT PRIVATELY.

THERE'S NO MAINTENANCE ON THE CITY.

WE CAN THEN ALSO TURN IT INTO ONE WAY TRAFFIC SO THAT FOLKS, WHETHER THEY'RE UBER OR VALETING, THEY CAN COME INTO THAT AREA.

AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS IS A VALET SPEED RAMP THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO DROP OFF RIGHT HERE AND VERY QUICKLY GET YOUR CARS INTO THE FIRST LEVEL, PARKING INTO THIS GARAGE THAT WILL BE DEDICATED FOR VALET TO HELP SERVE ALL THESE, THESE FOUR RESTAURANTS AT THIS LOCATION AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S OUT HERE FROM PUBLIC.

IT JUST HAS IT IMPROVES ALL THE OPERATIONS FROM THE RESTAURANTS AND THE RETAIL USES, AND IT ALLOWS US TO ALSO SEGREGATE SOME OF THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE ANY OF THE HIGHER END RESTAURANTS AND LOCATIONS IN DALLAS OR FORT WORTH, WHERE THEY'RE OUT PARKING THEIR MASERATIS OR WHATEVER OUT FRONT TO SHOW THAT

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THAT'S THE KIND OF LOOK AND FEEL THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE IT GIVES A KIND OF AN EXCLUSIVE FEEL.

BUT THEN ON A MOBILITY SIDE, IT REALLY DOES MAKE THINGS BETTER.

IF FOLKS AREN'T JAMMED UP IN HERE COMPETING WITH VALET PARKING, AND THAT WOULD BE BUILT AS PART OF THE PHASE ONE A, WHICH IS ALL THE NEXT MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, THE PARK AND THAT ROADWAY.

I THINK WE'VE PRESENTED NUMEROUS TIMES ON WHAT'S HAPPENING.

ARE WE ASKING QUESTIONS? SURE.

OH, YEAH. SO JUST ON BACK ON NUMBER FIVE.

IT'S A CONCERN, MAYBE A SUGGESTION, BUT MY CONCERN IS THE DRIVER THAT DOESN'T COME HERE VERY OFTEN, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET AROUND, AND THEN THEY TURN AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WAIT, I'M IN A PRIVATE DRIVE.

OH, IT'S VALET ONLY. RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT STEPS ARE BEING TAKEN TO MAKE IT CLEAR WITH SIGNAGE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET INTO THAT SITUATION.

THAT WOULD BE SIGNED VERY WELL.

IT'D BE NICE LOOKING SIGNS THAT OF COURSE WOULD HAVE TO COME IN THROUGH APPROVAL THROUGH THE CITY AS WELL.

BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY KIND OF MISTAKE THAT THAT WAS VALET, EVEN BY NOT JUST THE SIGNAGE, BUT HOW WE WOULD CREATE THAT ENTRANCE.

IT WOULD LOOK MORE LIKE A PRIVATE DRIVE THAN A ROADWAY.

SO WHEN YOU'RE ENTERING THERE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU'RE PART OF THOSE RESTAURANTS AND FEEL LIKE YOU'RE NOW ON A NEW PAVEMENT AREA THAT IS THE PRIVATE VALET AREA. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ALL THE VALET SERVICES THERE.

SO WE'LL PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION, BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WOULD WANT TO DO, AS BOTH THE DEVELOPER AND THE RESTAURANT TOURS, IS YOU DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN ISSUE WITH EVERYBODY GETTING CONFUSED ABOUT HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PARKING, BUT GOOD POINT.

THANK YOU.

JOHN, I HAD A QUESTION THAT'S KIND OF COMBINED BETWEEN 5 AND 1, AND IT'S RELATED TO THE SITE PLAN.

AND THEN OUR ARTICULATION OF WHAT THAT GARAGE AND, YOU KNOW, RETAIL AND ALL THAT STUFF LOOKS LIKE THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN HAD IT.

SO IT'S KIND OF SHAPED, KIND OF CURVING TOWARDS THE RESTAURANTS AND THEN THAT GARAGE ACCESS IS IMMEDIATE WHEN YOU.

IT'S BASICALLY GOING STRAIGHT WHEN YOU'RE COMING OFF OF WHITES CHAPEL.

BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE THE OPEN OR THE OR THE PARK PRIVATE TO ALLOW FOR THIS RAMP, IT ALSO KIND OF TURNS THAT INTO A RECTANGLE.

I'M WORRIED ABOUT SORT OF THE ARTICULATION OF THE BUILDING AND NOT HAVING THAT KIND OF CLOSED IN EUROPEAN FEEL THAT THIS WAS LOOKING LIKE IT WON'T CHANGE ANY OF THE ARTICULATION OF THE BUILDING. I MEAN THIS BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT.

IT'S KIND OF A LIKE THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN IS KIND OF CONCAVED AROUND.

OH, YOU MEAN THE PRIOR PLAN HERE WITH THAT? WELL, THERE WASN'T WITH THAT CONCAVE.

ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS IS WITH THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH PARKING TO PARK THE WHOLE PROJECT, BECAUSE THAT TOOK AWAY FROM THIS PART OF THE PARKING GARAGE, BECAUSE THAT'S FIVE LETTERS. AND SO YOU WERE GETTING A CONCAVE DEAL THAT CUT INTO THE PARKING GARAGE.

THERE WAS NO WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

HOWEVER, IT'S STILL GOING TO HAVE THE SAME FUNCTIONALITY AS YOU DRIVE IN HERE AND YOU COME STRAIGHT IN.

THAT'S GOING TO BE THE LEVEL THAT'S AT GRADE WITH THIS PARK.

BUT YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT ENTERING RIGHT THERE, ARE YOU? YOU'RE TURNING THERE'S STILL AN ENTRANCE HERE.

AND THEN IN I SEE.

SO THIS THIS ENTRANCE DIDN'T CHANGE.

THAT'S THE PUBLIC ENTRANCE INTO HERE.

AND THEN THIS IS VALET ONLY, RIGHT.

SO I'LL FOLLOW YOU THERE. THIS WILL STILL BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE GARAGE.

THEY'LL COME IN. THEY CAN PARK ANYWHERE IN HERE.

AND WE WILL HAVE MULTIPLE ENTRANCES FROM THIS THAT LOOK AND FEEL NOT LIKE YOU'RE IN THE GARAGE, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN A RETAIL AREA THAT GOES ALL THE WAY INTO YOUR PARKING SPACES THROUGH ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT CORRIDORS RIGHT HERE.

GOT IT. AND THEN THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO THE MULTIPLE ELEVATORS AND THE ELEVATORS WILL BE SEPARATED BETWEEN THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND THE LOFT OWNERS.

SO THERE'S PRIVATE ELEVATORS FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN THE OWNERS OF THE LOFTS.

AND THERE WILL ALSO BE DESIGNATED PRIVATE PARKING SEPARATED FROM THE PUBLIC PARKING FOR THE LOFT OWNERS.

GOT IT. OKAY. THANKS FOR WALKING ME THROUGH THAT.

RIGHT. OKAY.

YEAH, I THINK I DON'T KNOW THAT I NEED TO REALLY GO OVER THIS ONE.

THIS ONE'S A PRETTY EASY NO BRAINER IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET US ANOTHER ACCESS POINT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROHIBITED BECAUSE OF THE WEAVING ISSUES WITH THE WITH THE RAMP, BUT WITH THE RAMP REVERSAL WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THAT.

AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO KNOW THAT REQUIRES TXDOT APPROVAL.

WE JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT THE CITY IS GOOD WITH IT AS WELL.

IF WE CAN GET TXDOT APPROVAL.

THEN HERE, WHAT DENNIS DID WAS EXACTLY WHAT I HAD PROVIDED TO HIM.

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THIS IS TOTALLY UP. THE DEVELOPER IS ABSOLUTELY WILLING TO GO WITH A 2300 SQUARE FOOT AVERAGE WITH A 2000 FOOT MINIMUM.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROJECT IS SUCCESSFUL, AND THAT WE PROVIDE AS MANY PRODUCTS AND MARKETABILITY AS WE CAN.

SO IN THIS, WE'RE ASKING YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO WHATEVER ON THIS, BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR 1600 SQUARE FEET, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT DOESN'T DO FROM AN OUTSIDE VIEW, THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE LOOK, THE OPERATIONS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MORE THAN 115,000FT².

SO WE ARE LIMITED TO THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WE'RE ALSO LIMITED TO 50 UNITS.

SO INSIDE, IF WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO GET SOMEBODY WHO NEEDS A LITTLE SMALLER SPACE, REMEMBER THAT IF WE'RE STILL GOING TO AVERAGE 2300, THAT MEANS THAT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT OFFSETS 600FT THE OTHER WAY.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A 2900 SQUARE FOOTER TO OFFSET THE 1600.

IT'S NOT LIKE ALL OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE 1600, BUT IT DOES ALLOW US THAT FLEXIBILITY FROM A MARKETING STANDPOINT.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR A SMALLER UNIT.

REMEMBER, THESE UNITS ARE GOING TO BE 700, 900, $1,000 A FOOT.

SO THIS IS NOT SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SMALL APARTMENT TYPE COMPLEX.

THIS IS A VERY, VERY HIGH END CONDOMINIUMS. AND THEN THIS WHAT I'M ASKING RIGHT NOW FOLLOWS THE PARK VIEW, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NEXT TO HERE IN TOWN SQUARE.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THEY DID 36 LOFTS, FIVE STORIES.

THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE RANGE IS FROM 1557 TO 37, 37, AND THEY RANGE FROM 1.1 TO 2.9 MILLION.

THEY'VE GOT ALL THE HIGH END CUSTOM FEATURES.

ROOFTOP TERRACE. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ROOFTOP CLUB, SOMETHING LIKE PARK HOUSE, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, AND IN HIGHLAND PARK VILLAGE, THEY HAVE VERY HIGH MONTHLY HOA FEES TO HELP PAY FOR THE UPKEEP.

AND THEN CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE GOT A 1700 SQUARE FOOT UNIT FOR SALE AT $758 A SQUARE FOOT FOR $1.3 MILLION. SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO DECREASE VALUE.

IN FACT, SOME OF THE SMALLER UNITS WILL SELL FOR A HIGHER AMOUNT PER SQUARE FOOT THAN THE LARGER UNITS.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS TO GO DOWN TO 1600, SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED.

PREVIOUSLY WE BROUGHT 1600 LAST YEAR.

THERE WAS REALLY NO DISCUSSION OTHER THAN THERE WAS SOME WILLINGNESS TO TALK ABOUT THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.

AND BUT WE DIDN'T SETTLE ON ANYTHING AND WE'RE JUST BRINGING IT BACK.

I THOUGHT, I SEEM TO REMEMBER IT AND I'D HAVE TO WATCH THE VIDEO AGAIN, BUT COUNCIL IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF WILLINGNESS TO READDRESS THIS PARTICULAR, I THINK.

YES, BECAUSE WE ASKED FOR 1600.

THERE WAS AN IMMEDIATE I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GO, WE CAN GO DOWN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GO DOWN AS FAR AS 1600.

OUR THOUGHT IS WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY EXPLAIN WHY IN MUCH DETAIL, BECAUSE IT JUST WAS A VERY QUICK MEETING.

WE'D LIKE TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND MAKE THE CASE, KNOWING THAT IF THE CITY DECIDES TO GO TO 2000, AND IF THEY GIVE US A 2300 SQUARE FOOT AND 2000 MINIMUM, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.

BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE CASE THAT THIS WAS ACCEPTABLE, AND IT AND IT ALLOWS US A BETTER MARKETING OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY WITH COMPETITION IN THIS PARTICULAR RANGE.

AND RIGHT NOW THE MINIMUM IS 2300.

MINIMUM RIGHT NOW IS 2300.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM OR ANY OF THE OTHER SIX ITEMS? OKAY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

THIS IS THE RENDERINGS YOU CAN SEE KIND OF OVER ON THE FAR RIGHT OF THE SCREEN.

THAT'S WHERE WE HAD PLANNED FOR THE LIBRARY BUILDING.

THIS IS THE LOOK, THE FEEL OF THE PARK THAT WON'T CHANGE IF IT'S OPEN SPACE.

IT WOULD SIMPLY BE MANAGED.

ALL THE PRODUCTION AND SO FORTH WOULD BE MANAGED BY THE THE DEVELOPER AND THE HOA GOING FORWARD.

AND COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS, I THINK THIS KIND OF SHOWS, IF YOU GO BACK, THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU A LITTLE OF THE BUILDING ARTICULATION, WHICH I THINK WAS WHAT DID YOU NEED ME TO GO BACK? IF YOU GO BACK TO ONE MORE THERE.

WELL, RIGHT.

AND I'M SAYING THAT ARTICULATION IS FROM THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN.

YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THAT'S IN OUR ZONING BOOKLET.

SO ALL OF THAT IS ALREADY APPROVED.

WE HAVE TO BUILD THAT. YOU CAN KEEP GOING.

OKAY. WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING. THEN THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I JUST WANT TO SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FOLKS ASK, WELL, WHAT KIND OF ECONOMIC IMPACT IS THIS GOING TO BRING? AND I THINK DENNIS WAS CLOSER.

THE 877 IS IF WE WERE DOING A COUPLE OTHER THINGS, IT'S REALLY CLOSER TO 720,000FT².

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YOU'VE GOT $142 MILLION IN VALUE, JUST IN THE 79 RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT.

YOU GOT $375 MILLION IN COMMERCIAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN THIS.

THE CITY IS GOING TO GET ABOUT $3 MILLION IN CITY IMPACT FEES.

THEY'LL BE CLOSE TO 1400 NEW EMPLOYEES AND ABOUT 65 MILLION IN ANNUAL TAXABLE SALES.

AND THEN THE PROJECTION IS RIGHT NOW FROM SOME OF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND VARIOUS FOLKS, IS THAT IT WOULD BE ABOUT A 1 MILLION PEOPLE COMING TO VISIT THIS IN THE FIRST YEAR OF 100% OPEN.

SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE EXCITED AND LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING ON THIS COMMERCIAL SIDE.

EVERYBODY'S BEEN WAITING ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR NOW? I DID HAVE ONE. A COUPLE OF QUICK ONES HERE ON THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

COULD THAT WATER BE USED FOR IRRIGATION PURPOSES AFTERWARDS? YOU'D MADE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR THAT? IT IS. IT IS POSSIBLE.

AND WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO THE ENGINEERS ABOUT IT.

YEAH. SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE A GOOD USE OF IT.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN THE OTHER THING WHERE THE PROPOSED LIBRARY SITE IS YOU'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT UTILITIES IN.

SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE TO BE MAJOR EXCAVATION IF LATER ON, IF IT'S A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, IT'LL BE ALREADY SITE PREP.

RIGHT. IF THE CITY APPROVES IT.

EITHER WAY, IF THEY SAY NO TO EITHER, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.

BUT WE WOULDN'T PUT IN THAT ROAD OR ANY UTILITIES IN THE CASE THAT THAT THAT NEITHER BUILDING HAPPENS.

RIGHT. OKAY. THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? FOR NOW. WE CAN ALWAYS CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP.

OKAY. NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

THANK YOU. SIR. I THINK ON THIS ONE MAYBE LET'S TRY TO GO AROUND THE DAIS, MAYBE AHEAD OF THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING JUST TO MAYBE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDEA ON KIND OF WHERE WE'RE STACKING OUT, MAYBE JUST ITEM BY ITEM.

AND AGAIN, WE JUST GOT SEVEN THINGS WE CAN JUST MAYBE TALK ABOUT SENTIMENT AND WE'RE NOT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FINAL.

WE CAN HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION AND, YOU KNOW, CHANGE OUR MINDS OR SEE IT DIFFERENTLY.

BUT JUST AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THE SEVEN THAT WE HAVE ON HERE, MAYBE JUST GOING THROUGH YOU KNOW, THE FIRST ONE AND MAYBE STAFF, DO YOU MIND GETTING, PUTTING ON THE, THE OVERHEAD KIND OF THE, THE SEVEN KIND OF BULLET POINTS I GUESS THAT SLIDE THAT PERFECT.

YEAH. THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER TO GO THROUGH IT.

PERFECT. YOU KNOW, THE FIRST ONE AGAIN, I GUESS I KIND OF HEAR WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING, BUT YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE APPOINTEES OF THE ELECTED CITY COUNCIL, AND WE'RE KIND OF AN EXTENSION OF THEIR ARMS HERE.

AND I HAVEN'T SEEN OR HEARD ANYTHING FROM THEM ON THIS ONE THAT INDICATES IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT.

THEY MAY BE, BUT THIS IS ONE THAT I GUESS IN TERMS OF KIND OF TAKING IT AWAY FROM DEDICATION TO THE CITY, BACK TO THE APPLICANT.

FEELS LIKE IT'S CHANGING THE DEAL.

SO I GUESS PERSONALLY I STRUGGLE WITH IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHER FOLKS MIGHT FEEL ON THIS ONE.

I DON'T I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT.

I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT MYSELF BECAUSE HE I BELIEVE THAT I HEARD HIM SAY THAT IT'S OPEN TO WHERE THAT IT COULD BE TURNED BACK OVER TO THE CITY AGAIN.

IT'S JUST NOW IT'S TAKING IT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE IT ON ITSELF TO MANAGE IT AND MAINTAIN IT.

AND I THINK THAT WAS THE THING THAT THE CITY WAS LOOKING AT, IS THEY DIDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE, TAKE OVER SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT.

AND SO IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, AND IT IS GOING TO BE AND IT IS AVAILABLE TO BE TAKEN OVER BY THE CITY AGAIN.

IF THEY IF THEY CHOOSE TO.

THEN I DON'T I DON'T REALLY SEE WHERE THAT'S A STUMBLING BLOCK.

YEAH. AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE OR NOT, BUT I KNOW OBVIOUSLY THERE IS AN ECONOMIC AGREEMENT.

AND SO YOU START CHANGING DIFFERENT PIECES.

AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE USUALLY WEIGH IN ON.

BUT I GUESS ANY OTHER COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THAT IS THE CASE, MY CONCERN WOULD JUST BE JUST THE POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT.

IF YOU'RE TAKING BACK SPACE AND WHAT'S THE MOOD AT THE TIME OF THE SITUATION? WHO'S THE OWNER OF THE PROJECT AT THAT TIME? YEAH, I STRUGGLE WITH THIS ONE.

AND I STRUGGLE WITH IT ALSO BECAUSE WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT KILLS DOWNTOWNS OR TOWN SQUARES OR THINGS LIKE THAT IS WHEN YOU START HAVING AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SUBSEQUENT OWNERS, RIGHT, OF THIS PROJECT.

AND IF IT'S PRIVATE SPACE, YOU'RE GOING TO START HAVING POTENTIAL OTHER GATHERINGS WHICH COMPETE WITH TOWN SQUARE.

AND MAYBE THEY'RE NOT APPROVED FOR TOWN SQUARE, BUT THEY ARE APPROVED FOR HERE OR, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT HAPPEN THAT I THINK THE MORE YOU PULL AWAY FROM OUR TOWN SQUARE AND YOU PULL TO OFF-SITE LOCATIONS, THAT KIND OF PENALIZES WHAT OUR WHAT OUR TOWN SQUARE IS.

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YEAH. AND I THINK HE EXPRESSED THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE A TERM SET.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE THEY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TOMORROW.

I'M ASSUMING HE'S TALKING ABOUT IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

SO YEAH.

OKAY. AND AS WE GO THROUGH ALL THESE, I GUESS, FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, I THINK THIS BODY CAN HAS THE ABILITY TO RECOMMEND ALL OF THEM.

PART OF THEM, NONE OF THEM.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO THROUGH AND JUST DIGEST THE APPETITE HERE.

ITEM NUMBER THREE.

PROBABLY SAME ONE.

NOT REALLY ANY ISSUES WITH THAT ONE.

UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY THING THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THERE.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR SAME CONCEPT TO THE EXTENT IT'S UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.

ANY COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? FIVE. SAME THING.

ANY ISSUES WITH THE VALET PUBLIC TO PRIVATE THERE FOR LOGISTICS OR, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING ABOUT THAT ONE.

ISN'T THERE A CITY AGREEMENT WHERE IT CAN STAY PUBLIC? AND THEN THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO, TO USE IT IN THAT FASHION AT CERTAIN HOURS OR CERTAIN THINGS.

DENNIS, ITEM FIVE, I GUESS.

IS THERE A ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION, RATHER THAN JUST DEDICATING IT TO PRIVATE.

THAT STILL WOULD FACILITATE THE KIND OF THE VALET TAKEOVER, SO TO SPEAK.

I'M NOT THINKING ONE YEAR DOWN THE ROAD, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, I'M THINKING 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

YEAH. I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND YOUR YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT IT REMAINS PUBLIC, BUT YET THERE'S.

YEAH. OR, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE IT'S APPROVED ON A, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVERY TWO YEARS OR FIVE YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW, SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWS THE CITY A LITTLE MORE CONTROL, JUST, YOU KNOW THE ZONING COULD PUT IN PLACE, YOU KNOW OPERATIONAL STANDARDS FOR VALET PARKING ITSELF.

TOWN SQUARE HAS A SEPARATE I BELIEVE, ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION THAT DEALS WITH VALET PARKING WHEN THOSE BOOTHS HAVE TO BE PUT IN PLACE IN PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

SO, IT WOULD EITHER NEED TO BE TIED INTO THE ZONING TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY HOW THAT WOULD OPERATE OR UNDER SOME OTHER SEPARATE. YEAH, MAYBE IT'S A PUBLIC STREET, BUT IT'S WHERE THOSE VALET KIOSKS AND, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

YEAH. DURING CERTAIN HOURS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW, THAT COULD BE ONE THAT I MEAN, WE CAN COME BACK TO IT, BUT MAYBE THERE COULD BE SUPPORT FOR BUT CAVEATED WITH MAYBE EXPLORING TO SEE IF THAT'S AN ALTERNATIVE OPTION WHEN IT GETS TO THE COUNCIL LEVEL, IF THEY MAYBE FIND AN IDEA AND VIEW IT DIFFERENTLY.

WELL, I THINK THERE COULD BE, BECAUSE MY QUESTION WAS HOW DO YOU DELINEATE IT IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY? AND SO ONE SUGGESTION WAS MAYBE A DIFFERENT KIND OF MATERIAL.

AND I'VE, IN MY MIND I WAS THINKING MAYBE LIKE BRICK OR SOME KIND OF PAVERS, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THAT MAKING IT A CITY ROAD WOULD DO THAT BECAUSE THEY WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF DESIGN CRITERIA.

THAT'S UP TO A CITY ROAD THAT WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT CREATIVITY AND FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT.

OKAY. WELL, MAYBE WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT ONE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ITEM SIX.

SAME COMMENT. I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY STRUGGLES WITH THAT ONE.

AND THEN ITEM SEVEN AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE THE CONSISTENT COMMENTARY I'VE HEARD FROM COUNCIL IS THEIR PREFERENCE NOT TO REOPEN THAT ONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY OTHER THOUGHTS.

OKAY, WELL, JUST DWELL ON IT.

WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IN A SECOND.

THEN WE CAN ALWAYS RE DELIBERATE.

SO NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND AGAIN JUST A QUICK REMINDER ON HOW IT WORKS.

PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

PLEASE ADDRESS ALL YOUR COMMENTARY TO US.

WE'LL KIND OF TAKE SOME NOTES AND WE'LL TRY TO ADDRESS IT AT THE VERY END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IN TERMS OF STAFF FOR THE APPLICANT, AS APPLICABLE.

PLEASE KEEP IT TO THREE MINUTES IF YOU CAN, IN CONSIDERATION OF YOUR OTHER SPEAKERS.

WE'LL HAVE A LIGHT GOING HERE WHERE I THINK IT'S TWO MINUTES, IT'S GREEN AND THE LAST MINUTE IT'S YELLOW.

AND THEN YOU'LL READ, IT'LL START BLINKING.

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BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE LOGISTICS ON IT.

SO I'LL GO AHEAD NOW AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

OKAY. JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

RON MILLER 1713 RIVIERA.

SO ACROSS THE STREET, RESIDENT OF CAROLINE.

BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CITY FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

IT WAS HERE AT THE GRAND OPENING OF SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE TO GIVE YOU PERSPECTIVE.

ACTUALLY GROUNDBREAKING.

I'VE SPENT 30 YEARS.

I WAS AT COUNCIL LAST OCTOBER.

I'VE BEEN 30 YEARS IN THE REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT BUSINESS.

DEVELOPED SOME OF THE LARGEST MIXED USE PROJECTS INVESTED IN THEM IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE UNITED STATES IN LAS VEGAS, THE SHOPS AT CRYSTALS.

JUST I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS SHORT AND SWEET.

I'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF THIS.

DEVELOPING 79 RESIDENTIAL LOTS IS THE EASIEST THING YOU'LL EVER DO ON A FLAT PIECE OF LAND.

THE HARDEST THING YOU'LL EVER DO IS DEVELOPER IS DEVELOP MIXED USE.

HARDEST THING YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO? I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO AUSTIN, BUT LIKE DOMAIN ENDEAVOR, THE MOST EXPERIENCED DEVELOPER IN THE STATE OF TEXAS ON MIXED USE.

TOOK THEM 30 YEARS TO DEVELOP IT.

TO GIVE PERSPECTIVE, 79 LOTS.

IT'S TAKEN 18 MONTHS TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, SO I'D RATHER BET.

TO GIVE YOU PERSPECTIVE.

TESLA'S FACTORY, THE LARGEST EVER BUILT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

FOUR POINT 2,000,000 SQUARE FOOT, TOOK 22 MONTHS TO NOT BUILD A FINISHED LOT, BUT BUILD FOUR POINT 2,000,000 SQUARE FOOT HEADQUARTERS.

OKAY, SO LIKE THIS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE, AND I'D RATHER BET MY MONEY ON THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, WHICH ALL OF OUR TAXPAYERS DO. OKAY.

AND THE ABILITY OF THIS CITY TO MANAGE THAT PARK WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER VERSUS BET ON A DEVELOPER WITH WHERE WE STAND TODAY.

OKAY. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT.

THE PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE SPACE ON THE PARK.

I'VE TALKED ABOUT I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE NEED A SECOND ENTRANCE.

OKAY. THERE'S NO TIME FRAME ON TXDOT THAT TAKES YEARS.

US RESIDENTS AT WHITECHAPEL, DOVE AND SOLANA HAS BEEN A NIGHTMARE.

IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS AT THOSE THREE INTERSECTIONS WITH TXDOT DOING WHAT THEY DID AND CITIES DOING WHAT THEY DO, THAT WE'VE HAD THOSE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

SO, WE NEED A BREAK.

WHEN TXDOT APPROVES THIS, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE SECOND ENTRANCE, BUT THERE'S A SECOND ENTRANCE ALREADY.

THAT IS THE REASON THE FIRST ENTRANCE.

THE SECOND ENTRANCE.

I AGREE THEY SHOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE.

BUT UNTIL WE GET TO TXDOT AND THEY APPROVE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING, WHICH IS A LONG PROCESS, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD AGREE TO A SECOND ENTRANCE BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION OUT OF TXDOT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, AND RESIDENTS NEED A BREAK.

I'M JUST FROM A RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

PERFECT. DONE.

WELL TIMED. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. TIMED IT PERFECTLY.

THE PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN TO ANYONE ELSE.

YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, I'M MIKE BURCH.

I LIVE AT 1633 RIVIERA LANE, AND THAT'S ACROSS THE STREETS OF CROSS SECTION OF PALLADIAN AND RIVIERA.

FORTUNATE TO BE A RESIDENT OF CARILLON SINCE 2013.

AND FRANKLY, MY PROPERTY IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE CLOSEST, ALONG WITH RON'S AND OTHERS IN HERE.

TO THE ACTUAL DEMOLITION, EXCAVATION, CONSTRUCTION, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PLANS.

SO GOING BACK TO 2013, NOT TO WAX NOSTALGIC.

I WOULD HAND FEED THE COWS AND THE CATTLE THERE.

LOOKING OUT MY OFFICE WINDOW AND ONE SIDE OF MY HOUSE, I COULD LOOK OUT AND SEE THE CATTLE.

SO THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE.

SO I'M ALL FOR PROGRESS.

THE GENTLEMAN THAT GAVE THE PRESENTATION, I'LL HAVE YOU ON MY SALES TEAM ANY TIME.

IF YOU WANT TO SELL MEDICAL DEVICES, I'LL GIVE YOU HALF THE NATION.

YOU'RE GOOD AND BUT PLEASE ADDRESS IT TO US.

YES, YOU GET THE IDEA.

I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS.

THE SENTIMENTS OF THE RESIDENTS IS OVER AND BEYOND THE FANCINESS OF BUILDINGS AND SO FORTH.

WE WANT TO JUST REVERT BACK AND LOOK AT BASICALLY WHAT GOT US HERE.

AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY, THE SECURITY AND THE SAFETY.

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BUT I THANK YOU AND I APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN TO ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

ALL RIGHT. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

MARY ALFORD, 1812 SAINT PHILIP AVENUE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2004, WE HAD A TINY LITTLE PARK SPACE THAT WAS ABOUT FOUR ACRES, AND IT WAS NOT EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.

IT WAS AT THE VERY END OF A ROAD, ALL SURROUNDED BY ROADS, AND NOT A VERY SAFE PLACE AT ALL TO BE CONSIDERED A PARK.

SO, THIS OPEN SPACE AND PARK SPACE IS MUCH, MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2008.

AND BEAR IN MIND 2008.

THAT'S BEEN 16 YEARS AGO THAT WE HAVE BEEN THAT PEOPLE IN CARILLON HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMETHING TO FINALLY GET FINALIZED, MAKE A DECISION, AND FINALLY GET SOME THINGS FINALLY FINALIZED.

SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE OPEN PARK SPACE, THE HOMES, THE RECENT REVISION OR THE REQUEST FOR A MINIMUM OF 1600.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT LARGER HOMES.

AND YOU AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID.

I THINK IT WAS THE AUGUST 17TH, 2023 PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING WHERE IT DOESN'T MATTER FROM THE OUTSIDE, PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE INSIDE.

THE NUMBER OF UNITS ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME.

SO WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHETHER IT'S 1600 OR 2000 300 OR 2900, THE 1600 SQUARE FEET HOMES? THERE'S A MARKET FOR THAT.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAD A 1470 FIVE SQUARE FOOT HOME, THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH, AND IF I COULD HAVE 1600 SQUARE FEET, I COULD MAKE A BEAUTIFUL HOME FOR US. IT IS STILL MORE THAN WHAT CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED FOR THE CONDOS AND SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE. IF IT CAN BE APPROVED FOR THEM, WHY CAN'T IT BE APPROVED FOR US? WE THERE'S A POPULATION OF US AGE 55 AND OLDER.

THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT 32.7% OF SOUTHLAKE.

AND WE'RE EMPTY NESTERS.

WE DON'T NEED A TON OF SPACE.

IT JUST MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE MARKABLE, A LITTLE MORE CUSTOMIZABLE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WANT MORE SPACE.

YOU CAN'T GIVE MORE SPACE UNLESS YOU TAKE IT AWAY FROM SOME SOMEBODY ELSE.

I'M NOT SEEING A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THESE.

I JUST AS A CARILLON RESIDENT, I'M JUST SUPER TIRED OF CONTINUOUSLY COMING TO MEETINGS AND FOR, YOU KNOW, ARE THE, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T JUST APPROVE SOMETHING IF THERE'S NO ORDINANCE AGAINST IT.

AND IF IT'S MEETING A NEED FOR THE COMMUNITY AND IF IT'S GOING TO GET IT DONE.

I'M JUST VERY I'M READY TO GET IT DONE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? HI. SUSAN STEINBERGER AT 816 ROAN LANE, I'M IN THE CARILLON AREA AS WELL.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE BEGINNING TO SENSE IS A LOT OF FATIGUE.

WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE YEARS, ONE DEVELOPER AFTER THE OTHER.

AND THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER HAS BEEN UNBELIEVABLY GRACIOUS AT CONTACTING EVERY ONE OF US.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN? WE'D LIKE YOU TO BE A PART OF THIS.

WE WANT YOU TO BE EXCITED ABOUT IT AND WANT TO OBVIOUSLY VISIT IT YOURSELF.

SO, THE NUMBER OF CONSOLATIONS AND REDRAWINGS AND EVERYTHING TO MAKE THE NEIGHBORS HAPPY HAS HAPPENED WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL BE A SPECTACULAR DEVELOPMENT, BOTH COMMERCIALLY AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL AND I THINK AS MARI LEE WAS ALSO SAYING, WE'RE REALLY TIRED OF HAVING TO REDO THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY ONE OF THOSE EITHER.

I THINK THE FATIGUE IS SETTING IN BECAUSE IT'S LIKE IT'S DONE.

IT'S NOT DONE. IT'S CONSTRUCTION STARTS, IT STOPS, IT STARTS, IT STOPS.

ALL THIS STUFF OVER MULTIPLE YEARS NOW.

AND SO IT'S LIKE IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

LIKE, WHY IS THIS CONTINUING TO BE AN ISSUE? SO, I MEAN, SOUTHLAKE ONLY HAS SO MANY AREAS LEFT, AND IT LOOKED LIKE THIS WAS GOING TO BE A REALLY BEAUTIFUL PIECE THAT WAS GOING TO BE A MAJOR CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY, AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE, AND THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT IT.

AND I LIVE IN CARILLON, SO I THINK I CAN SAY THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

CHRIS MUNDY 1509 LE MANS LANE, JUST AROUND THE CORNER IN CARILLON.

I'VE LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.

I MOVED OVER FROM VERSAILLES A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND I REMEMBER WHEN PARK VILLAGE GOT DEVELOPED AND, YOU KNOW, SAME KIND OF SITUATION.

GREEN SPACE, TREES, BUSHES AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S TURNED INTO WHAT I CONSIDER A THRIVING CORNER WITHIN SOUTHLAKE.

I THINK THIS PROJECT, I REMEMBER THE MONUMENT GOING UP, AND I REMEMBER THINKING THIS WILL BE A SURPRISE DEVELOPMENT AS IT WAS ALL GREEN AT THE TIME.

I LOOK AT THESE KINDS OF PROPOSALS.

I THINK IT'S AN ABSOLUTE CRIME THAT A DEVELOPER CAN GET THIS FAR, AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S A DEVELOPER ISSUE OR A CITY ISSUE OR BOTH, BUT THAT THERE'S UNCERTAINTY AT THIS STAGE BECAUSE IT WORRIES ME THAT THE DEVELOPER JUST THROWS THEIR HANDS UP AND YOU'RE LEFT WITH WHAT'S THERE TODAY, WHICH WOULD JUST BE A SHAME.

I LOOK AT THINGS LIKE NUMBER SEVEN, AND I FULLY ADMIT I'M LATE TO THE GAME ON THIS IN TERMS OF FOLLOWING THE NUANCES THROUGH THE THE PROCESS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE 1600 SQUARE FOOT, AS IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT, HAS BEEN APPROVED ELSEWHERE.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY DEMAND FOR IT.

I PERSONALLY THINK VARIABILITY WITHIN A DEVELOPMENT IS A GOOD THING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

BUT AS I SAY, OVERALL, I THINK THE PROJECT'S GOT INERTIA AT THIS POINT.

IT WOULD BE GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD.

YOU KNOW, AND AS I SAID, I FEAR MORE THAT SOME OF THESE NUANCES, WHETHER THEY'RE ON THE DEVELOPER SIDE OR ON THE CITY SIDE, IT WOULD JUST IT WOULD BE A SHAME IF IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THINGS DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD.

AND AS WE HEARD, THE FATIGUE IS, IS KIND OF THE ISSUE.

SO OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND COMMENT BEFORE WE CLOSE IT OUT.

OKAY. I'LL BE REAL BRIEF.

MY NAME IS CARL ELVING.

I LIVE AT 1709 RIVIERA, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ALL THIS.

I'M WITHIN THE 300FT CONE.

A SIMPLE QUESTION.

THE FIRST THING MR. TERRELL MENTIONED WAS THAT THE PHASE ONE IS COMPLETE.

I SEE THE WALLS AROUND THE WHERE THOSE LOT HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE, AND THEY DON'T LOOK FINISHED.

TO ME, IT'S LIKE THE CINDER BLOCK WALLS ARE THERE, BUT THE DECORATIVE BRICKS ARE JUST NOT THERE.

I DON'T I DON'T GET IT.

IT'S YOU CAN ASK STAFF QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.

THIS ISN'T Q AND A. I'M SORRY I SAID YOU CAN ASK STAFF SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.

THIS ISN'T Q&A.

THIS IS JUST PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.

YEAH. NO, BUT THEY'RE HAPPY TO HELP WITH THAT OKAY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE OKAY.

OKAY. NOW THEY CAN HELP WITH THAT OR ANY OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP TONIGHT.

SO. I'M SORRY. THEY CAN HELP WITH THAT OR ANY OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP TONIGHT AFTER THE MEETING.

SO ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME UP AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I GUESS MAYBE A FEW THINGS QUICKLY AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF FOCUS ON THE BROADER DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I THINK WE GET.

BUT THIS EVENING WE'RE HERE SPECIFICALLY TO KIND OF REVIEW THESE SEVEN REQUESTS.

I KNOW THERE'S IT SOUNDS LIKE AT A MINIMUM, THE APPLICANT COULD PROBABLY REACH OUT AGAIN TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ALONG RIVIERA LANE JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO, I GUESS, HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT THERE.

SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN JUST NOTE, JUST CONTINUED OUTREACH TO THE EXTENT IT'S HELPFUL.

AND THEN I THINK, LET'S JUST MAYBE GO THROUGH THESE ONE AT A TIME AND AT THIS POINT, KIND OF THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN, AND CONFIRM KIND OF WHERE WE SIT.

ALTHOUGH STAFF I GUESS I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.

ON THE ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE ENTRANCE OFF HIGHWAY 114.

IF YOU TURN INTO THAT ENTRANCE, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE MAP HERE, AND YOU GO STRAIGHT FORWARD.

IS THERE ACCESS UP THAT WAY TOWARDS RIVIERA DRIVE OR IS THAT, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL ON THE MAP.

IS THAT KIND OF A THAT DOES HEAD NODS OF NO FROM THE GALLERY.

THANK YOU FOR NOT SPEAKING OUT LOUD, BUT I'LL LET STAFF ADDRESS IT.

SURE, THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS WERE THAT THAT IS LIMITED TO EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY GOING BACK TO RIVIERA UNDER THE CURRENTLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING AND I'D HAVE THE DEVELOPER CORRECT US THAT IS NOT THEIR INTENT TO CHANGE THAT.

OKAY. SO AS OF NOW THE ANSWER IS NO.

THERE'S NO ACCESS UP TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL FROM THERE.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT IS ONLY EMERGENCY ACCESS.

EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY.

AND WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY I THINK SEEING RIGHT THERE.

AND IT'S A DASHED LINE NEXT TO THE SIX.

YES. THAT IS A COMMON ACCESS BACK TO THE FUTURE CORPORATE DISTRICT.

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THE ADJACENT. YEAH.

OKAY. THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD.

I GUESS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR ANYONE BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THIS? OKAY. ON THE FIRST ITEM, I GUESS, I MEAN, I HEAR SOME OF THE SENTIMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER SPRINGER SAID, BUT I GUESS I'M WARY TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT ONE UNTIL I SEE COUNCIL MEMBERS SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

BUT I'LL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK ON THAT ONE AS WELL.

CAN I JUST MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT? I MEAN, SOME OF THE FEEDBACK.

I MEAN, PART OF THIS ROOM IS FOR THIS PROJECT AND PART OF IT IS AGAINST IT, BUT OR FATIGUE, MAYBE FATIGUE.

BUT I THINK IT ALSO THERE'S FATIGUE ON THE CITY SIDE TOO RIGHT.

AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ITEMS LIKE THE OPEN SPACE OR THE PRIVATE DRIVE OR YOU LOOK AT EVEN THE POTENTIAL OF THE PUBLIC LIBRARY PERFORMING ARTS BEING CONVERTED TO RETAIL, I MEAN, THAT ADDS 20% MORE RETAIL TO ALREADY HAVING 124,000FT² OF RETAIL CAPACITY.

NONE OF THESE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE PROJECT GO FORWARD OR NOT GO FORWARD.

RIGHT. LIKE, I MEAN, THEY THE ENTITLEMENTS ARE THERE TO BUILD A PROJECT.

TWEAKING ANY OF THIS IS ISN'T OR NOT TWEAKING ANY OF THIS IS NOT GOING TO PREVENT THE PROJECT FROM HAPPENING.

RIGHT. LIKE THEY CAN DO IT.

AND SO IF THERE'S FRUSTRATION WITH THE CITY THAT IF WE DON'T APPROVE ALL OF THIS, THAT WE'RE INHIBITING DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S JUST NOT, THAT'S NOT TRUE. RIGHT.

IT IS ENTITLED. RIGHT.

YEAH. ALREADY? YES.

YES. NO. THESE ARE JUST REQUESTED REVISIONS.

SO OKAY.

NOTED. SO MAYBE JUST GOING THROUGH EACH OF THESE ONE AT A TIME.

I GUESS I ALREADY SAID MY THOUGHTS ON ITEM NUMBER ONE.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO JUST JUMP IN SO WE CAN KIND OF HELP OUR VICE CHAIR CRAFT A MOTION HERE? WELL, I THINK SOMETHING COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS SAID REALLY STUCK WITH ME ON REVISION ONE.

AND SO JUST KIND OF TAKING AWAY THE CONTROL FROM THE CITY IN TERMS OF EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, LIKE THEY HAVE OR LIKE WE HAVE WITH THINGS THAT GO ON IN THE TOWN SQUARE.

SO BASED ON THAT, I THINK I WOULD I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME APPROVING THIS ONE.

OKAY. SO THAT'S ONE, TWO, THREE STRUGGLES.

ANY OTHER STRUGGLES OR NOT? WELL, I WAS LOOKING AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT STANDPOINT, WHICH IS THE RESPONSIBILITY AND LIABILITY OF THE CITY.

ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A WATER FEATURE WHICH GIVES ME A LITTLE PTSD WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN TOWN.

SO I MEAN, I SEE THAT THERE'S A BENEFIT WITH IT TOO.

I DON'T REALLY FEEL STRONGLY EITHER WAY, QUITE FRANKLY.

ANY ANY OTHER VIEWPOINTS? THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A COIN FLIP NOW, SO.

WELL, I MEAN, I WAS FINE, I THINK WITH ALL OF THESE THE LAST TIME THIS CAME AROUND.

I MEAN, THE REALITY IS WE CAN SIT HERE AND TALK ALL NIGHT.

BUT CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY SAID THEY DON'T WANT WHAT, NUMBER ONE AND POSSIBLY NUMBER SEVEN.

SO I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION.

THAT'S JUST IS WHAT IT IS.

SO I'M FINE WITH ALL OF THEM.

I UNDERSTAND THE POINTS CONTRARY ON NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER SEVEN, BUT WE JUST NEED TO GET IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY NEED TO GET DONE.

YEAH. OKAY.

WELL, WE'LL. SO IS THAT INCLUDING SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT OF SEVEN OR.

SORRY. ITEM ONE.

OH, SORRY. I HIT ALL OF THEM.

I'M IN. I'M IN FAVOR OF ALL OF THEM.

I MEAN, I THINK THE COMMENT ON NUMBER SIX WAS A GOOD ONE.

TXDOT WON'T BE ABLE TO FIGURE THIS OUT FOR THE NEXT DECADE, SO I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT.

SO I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OF HOLDING BACK ON SIX, BUT I'M GOOD WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.

OKAY WELL, MAYBE I'LL TICK THROUGH THEM REALLY QUICKLY THEN.

ANY ISSUES ON TWO, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE? OKAY. ON SIX.

I'M ACTUALLY GOOD WITH THAT NOW THAT IT DOESN'T CONNECT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND I MEAN EFFECTIVELY, I THINK TXDOT IS GOING TO HOLD IT UP FOREVER ANYWAY.

BUT I GUESS ONCE IT GETS DONE, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE CITY FOLLOWING SUIT PERSONALLY.

WELL, YEAH. AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION TOO, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF SCALE.

I MEAN, THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE POURING CONCRETE AND PAVING, DOING EXCAVATION WORK.

IT'D BE SO MUCH BETTER TO HAVE IT PREPPED AND READY FOR THE ENTRANCE, WHETHER IT CAME THERE OR NOT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A THOROUGHFARE AND IT'LL EVENTUALLY GET USED.

BUT WHETHER TXDOT MAKES THE CURB CUT IS, YOU KNOW, NOT GOING TO AFFECT THAT PART.

OKAY. AND THEN ITEM SEVEN AGAIN I GET THE LOGIC BEHIND IT.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM COUNCIL ONCE PRETTY CLEARLY THAT THEY WEREN'T SUPPORTIVE OF OPENING IT BACK UP, SO I'M WARY OF SUPPORTING THAT ONE AS WELL, GIVEN THE GUIDANCE WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR, WHICH IS ALL I CAN GO ON.

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IT'S INSIDE AN ENCLOSED BUILDING, AND IT'S NOT LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU'RE A BUDDING SOME OTHER BODY.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PUTTING THREE LOTS ACROSS THE BACK OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S LOT.

IT'S ALL INTERIOR SPACE AND TO ME, I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE THE CONFLICT COMES IN.

THIS IS THIS IS NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, AN SF 20 LOT VERSUS WHATEVER.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT IT IS.

IT'S LIMITED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THE NUMBER OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.

IT'S JUST HOW YOU ALLOCATE IT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE? I SUPPOSE MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO IS ENTERTAIN A MOTION, SEE HOW IT GOES AND GO FROM THERE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA.

ZA 24-0042, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 30TH, 2024 AND SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO, DATED AUGUST 30TH, 2024, SPECIFICALLY NOTING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL ON ITEMS TWO THROUGH SEVEN. EXCUSE ME, ITEMS TWO THROUGH SIX RECOMMENDING DENIAL ON ITEMS ONE AND SEVEN, AND ALSO ASKING THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE CONTINUED COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESIDENTS ON RIVIERA LANE AND PERHAPS EXPLORING ALTERNATIVES ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND CHANGING THE ROAD FROM PUBLIC TO PRIVATE.

AS DISCUSSED EARLIER.

YES. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. PASSES 5 TO 2.

LOOKS LIKE. OKAY.

WELL, A LOT TO DELIBERATE THERE.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'LL MAKE THE NEXT.

YOU KNOW, AS YOU, IF ANYBODY KNOWS, WE ARE RECOMMENDING BODY.

I THINK YOU'RE THE ONE WHO MADE US THAT WAY.

SO A FEW YEARS BACK SO THIS IS THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, SEPTEMBER 17TH, I BELIEVE.

ARE YOU PLANNING ON MAKING THAT ONE? OKAY, I'M SEEING A HEAD NOD.

SO JUST SO THE GALLERY KNOWS THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION BEING PASSED ON TO COUNCIL.

THE NEXT MEETING, SEPTEMBER 17TH.

WHICH, AS OF NOW, SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT WILL PLAN ON MAKING THAT ONE.

SO I THINK THAT'S THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.

SO, WE'LL GO AHEAD.

ARE WE GOOD TO GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN STAFF? OKAY. WE'RE GOOD TO ADJOURN. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.