Sep 17, 2024 City Council

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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO OUR SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2024.

[1. Call to order]

WE HAVE A FAIRLY LENGTHY AGENDA TONIGHT.

SO WE'LL GET STARTED RIGHT AWAY, AND AS ALWAYS, WE'LL START WITH PASTOR CLAYTON REED, OUR OFFICIAL CITY CHAPLAIN FROM SOUTHLAKE BAPTIST CHURCH, WHO WILL LEAD US IN PRAYER, AND THEN IF YOU WOULD REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE PLEDGE TO TEXAS.

PASTOR REED, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU. LET'S PRAY.

DEAR LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS MEETING THIS EVENING.

FIRST OF ALL, FOR THE FREEDOM TO MEET AND MAKE DECISIONS AND FOR PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTEER TIME AND ENERGY AND LIFE TO LEAD OUR CITY AND SERVE OUR CITY. SO WE GIVE THANKS TONIGHT FOR THESE THAT SERVE.

WE PRAY BLESSING OVER EVERY COUNCILPERSON.

WE PRAY JESUS FOR THEIR FAMILIES.

WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM PEACE TONIGHT AS THEY SERVE.

WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE WISDOM TO THEM AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS.

YOU TELL US IN SCRIPTURE THAT IF ANY OF US LACK WISDOM, THAT WE CAN ASK YOU FOR IT AND THAT YOU GIVE IT FREELY.

SO I JUST PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE EACH OF THEM WISDOM AND HELP.

BE WITH CITY STAFF WHO ARE WORKING TO SUPPORT DECISIONS THAT GET MADE.

BE WITH CITIZENS WHO STAND BEHIND THIS MICROPHONE.

WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE A SENSE OF PEACE AND WISDOM AND PURPOSE IN THIS ROOM.

WE PRAY BLESSING OVER EVERY DECISION THAT'S MADE, AND WE PRAY FOR HELP FOR EVERYTHING THAT IS DONE IN THIS ROOM.

LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR OUR CITY AND WE PRAY BLESSINGS OVER IT.

WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD PROTECT THIS ROOM AND OUR TOWN.

IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN. AMEN.

THANK YOU, PASTOR REED.

THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

THE TEXAS PLEDGE.

THANK YOU, PASTOR REED.

NEXT IS WORK SESSION, ITEM NUMBER THREE, AND WE WILL HEAR FROM OUR NEW CHIEF APPRAISER FROM THE TARRANT APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

[3. Introduction from the new Chief Appraiser from Tarrant Appraisal District]

IF YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE TARRANT APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

LOTS OF NEWS. YES, SIR, I APPRECIATE IT.

MY NAME IS JOE DON BOBBITT. I'M THE NEW CHIEF APPRAISER WITH TARRANT APPRAISAL DISTRICT, AND OUR ADDRESS IS 2500 HANLEY EDWARDSVILLE ROAD IN I THINK NORTH RICHLAND HILLS, BUT MAINLY I WAS HIRED STARTING FEBRUARY 1ST, AND I THINK THE BOARD, WHAT THEY WANTED ME TO DO WAS COME IN AND KIND OF REBUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE ENTITIES AND WITH THE TAXPAYERS AND SO PART OF THAT, WE'RE KIND OF MAKING THE GRAND TOUR COMING AROUND TO ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL ADDING ME TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

THAT WAY IT GIVES ME A CHANCE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE IN A PUBLIC SETTING, AND IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK.

WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME BACK. THE STAFF IS OR MYSELF AND GIVE A BIGGER PRESENTATION IF NEEDED, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN IN THE NEWS FOR RECENTLY.

THE FIRST ONE AFTER I ARRIVED WAS THE RANSOMWARE EVENT, AND SO THERE WERE ABOUT 300 PEOPLE THAT WERE AFFECTED BY THAT.

OUR INSURANCE DID COVER THAT AND DID PROVIDE CREDIT MONITORING FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE AFFECTED.

WE HAVE KIND OF RETOOLED SOME OF OUR PROCESSES AND KIND OF FIXED SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE INVOLVED.

WE'RE ALSO BUYING NEW SOFTWARE TO KIND OF PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.

OVERALL, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS HAS AUTHORIZED US TO SPEND ROUGHLY $1.5 MILLION ON SOFTWARE AND TECHNOLOGY TO KIND OF PREVENT THIS OR MINIMIZE THE RISK GOING FORWARD, AND ALL THAT $1.5 MILLION CAME OUT OF OUR RESERVE FUND.

SO WE DIDN'T COME BACK TO THE ENTITIES AT THAT POINT ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY.

WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THIS USING AN EXISTING CASH.

THIS YEAR, ONE OF OUR MAIN FOCUSES FOR THE STAFF WAS TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE TAXPAYERS AND SO IN THE PAST, WE'D ALWAYS HEARD THERE WAS A FOUR HOUR WAIT TIME TO COME IN AND PROTEST AND GET HEARD, AND SO RIGHT NOW, THIS YEAR, OUR AVERAGE WAIT TIME IS ABOUT 15 MINUTES, AND SO WE WERE QUITE PROUD OF THAT.

WE TOOK A LOT OF EFFORT TO RESOLVE AS MANY PROTESTS AS WE COULD.

OUT OF 210,000 PROTEST, ONLY ABOUT 3000 ACTUALLY, I THINK ACTUALLY 6000 ACTUALLY WENT BEFORE THE BOARD AND HAD TO BE HEARD, AND SO WELL OVER 90% WERE RESOLVED BY MY STAFF.

SO WE WENT OUT OF OUR WAY TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON STAFF, AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO CONTINUE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN THE FUTURE.

THE OTHER ISSUES THE REAPPRAISAL PLAN HAS POPPED UP IN THE NEWS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT.

OVERALL, IT MAINLY AFFECTS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND IT MAINLY AFFECTS SCHOOL DISTRICTS OR POTENTIALLY COULD AFFECT SCHOOL DISTRICTS FOR THE CITIES, IT HAS LESS IMPACT THAN THAN OTHER ENTITIES.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT OR ANYTHING ELSE.

MAYBE YOU COULD JUST EXPAND UPON THAT ABOUT GOING TO THE EVERY OTHER YEAR APPRAISAL THING, JUST FOR PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO MIGHT HAVE MIGHT APPRECIATE SOME FURTHER

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YES, SIR. THE MAIN POINTS THAT WERE ADOPTED, THE 2024 VALUES THAT WERE RECENTLY JUST APPROVED AND CERTIFIED TO THE ROLL, THOSE VALUES WILL CONTINUE FOR 2025 AND 2026 FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND SO WE CODIFY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES BASED ON MY DEPARTMENT, MY RESIDENTIAL DEPARTMENT.

SO APARTMENT BUILDINGS ARE CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL, BUT FOURPLEXES AND BELOW ARE CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL, AND SO THOSE VALUES WILL CONTINUE IF ANYBODY DOES ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION, IF THEY ADD ON TO IT, IF THEY COME AND GET A PERMIT FROM THE CITY, THOSE THAT VALUE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL GET ADDED TO THEIR EXISTING VALUE.

THE ARB VALUES WILL ROLL BASICALLY ALL RESIDENTIAL VALUES.

COMMERCIAL WILL BE REAPPRAISED AS ALWAYS, AND PERSONAL PROPERTY WITH THE TWO YEAR REAPPRAISAL THE STATE COMES AND AUDITS US IN ODD YEARS.

SO IN 2025 AND 2027, THE STATE WILL BE AUDITING OUR VALUES, AND SO WE'RE EXPECTED TO BE WITHIN 5% OF WHAT THE STATE DETERMINES, AND WE WON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS UNTIL JANUARY OF 2026. SO WE HAVE TO TRY TO HIT WHAT MARK IT IS EARLY, AND THEN THE STATE COMES AND AUDITS US AFTER THE FACT, AND IF WE'RE WRONG, THE SCHOOLS GET BASICALLY ARE AFFECTED.

THEIR FINANCES CAN BE AFFECTED.

SO RIGHT NOW THE MARKET IS SUPPOSED TO BE FLAT, AND SO THE BOARD WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT IT.

IF THE MARKET LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO CHANGE, THEN WE MAY REAPPRAISE ONLY THOSE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT COULD BE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED, BUT THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE A BOARD DECISION IN MARCH.

RIGHT NOW IS THE PLAN.

ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL.

ALL RIGHT. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN SOON, AND IF THERE'S EVER ANY UPDATES AND YOU WANT TO GET ON OUR AGENDA, JUST LET US KNOW.

WE'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.

YES, SIR. NO PROBLEM. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, EVEN WHEN TOTALS COME OUT, WE CAN COME AND GIVE A PRESENTATION IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS OR WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU WITH YOUR STAFF. SOUNDS GOOD.

WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS WORK SESSION, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

[4. Honors & Recognition: Proclamation for National Service Dog Month]

ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD, AND IF YOU'LL JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND TELL US ABOUT CANINE COMPANIONS.

THANK YOU. I'M SHANNON BARBER, I'M THE VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR AT CANINE COMPANIONS.

I'M ACCOMPANIED BY LORI ANN CASH.

SHE IS ONE OF OUR VOLUNTEER PUPPY RAISERS.

WE ARE A NONPROFIT ESTABLISHED IN 1975, AND WE TRAIN AND RAISE SERVICE DOGS AND GIVE THEM TO PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AGES 5 TO 75 FREE OF CHARGE.

WE DO THAT BASED ON PRIVATE DONATIONS AND VOLUNTEERS SUCH AS LORI ANN THAT TAKE THE PUPPIES AT EIGHT WEEKS OLD, RAISE THEM UNTIL THEY'RE 15 MONTHS, AND THEN THEY TURN THEM INTO OUR TRAINING CENTER IN LAS COLINAS, AND THAT IS WHERE OUR PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS TAKE THEM FROM 4 TO 6 MONTHS, COMPLETE THEIR PROFESSIONAL TRAINING, AND THEN THEY ARE MATCHED WITH A PERSON WHO HAS A QUALIFIED DISABILITY.

OUR DOGS HELP PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL DISABILITIES.

CEREBRAL PALSY IS THE NUMBER ONE DISABILITY THAT WE RECEIVE A REQUEST FOR.

SO IT'S A LOT OF MOTOR NEUROMUSCULAR DISEASES THAT WE HELP PEOPLE WITH, SUCH AS OPENING DOORS, GETTING THINGS OUT OF A REFRIGERATOR, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THOSE ARE THINGS OUR DOGS CAN DO, AND WE APPRECIATE BEING HERE.

YES. GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU.

SPRINKLES, HERE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING SERVICE ANIMALS.

THEY MAKE SUCH AN IMPACT ON PEOPLE'S LIVES, NOT ONLY THOSE OF US THAT GET THE ABILITY TO RAISE THEM, THEY'RE ON LOAN TO US SO WE CAN BUILD A FOUNDATION, BUT WHEN WE HAND THEM OVER, THEY JUST CHANGE SOMEONE'S LIFE, AND IT'S SO REWARDING TO SEE, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST THANKFUL TO BE HERE.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AND LETTING US BE RECOGNIZED.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, AND I THINK YOU TOOK SOME OF MY COMMENTS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH AS FAR AS CHANGING LIVES AND SUCH GREAT WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE. SO BEFORE WE READ A PROCLAMATION FROM THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AND THEN WE'D LOVE TO GET A PICTURE WITH YOU ALL, IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM CITY COUNCIL? I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT IS SPRINKLES PARTICULARLY TRAINED TO DO? RIGHT NOW SHE'S JUST IN HER FOUNDATIONAL TRAINING, SO THEIR BASIC COMMANDS SIT, STAY DOWN.

THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S 30 TOTAL THAT THEY LEARN AND BEFORE THEY GO BACK FOR FORMAL TRAINING, AND THEN THEY BUILD ON THOSE FOUNDATIONS TO GET MORE PROGRESSIVE AND A LITTLE BIT HARDER TASKS.

SO SHE'S 15 MONTHS OLD AND SO SHE ALREADY KNOWS.

SHE KNOWS EVERYTHING SHE'S SUPPOSED TO DO RIGHT NOW.

SO SHE'LL BE TURNED IN SOON AND WE'LL SEE WHAT SHE DOES.

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I COULD NEVER DO IT.

SO I'M SO THANKFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN AND THEY'RE DOING A GREAT SERVICE, BUT I WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE I WOULD FAIL BECAUSE I WOULD I WOULD HAVE 100 DOGS AT HOME. I'M A FIRST TIME PUPPY RAISER.

I TOOK THIS JOB A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND THEN DECIDED THAT I WOULD, SINCE I'M SOLICITING PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER AND TAKE ON THIS TASK, I WOULD DO IT MYSELF SO I COULD TELL PEOPLE WHAT IT WAS LIKE, AND I GOT TWILIGHT ON VALENTINE'S DAY AND SHE'S AT HOME.

SHE COULDN'T COME TODAY, BUT THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT DOGS, AND AT TWO MONTHS OLD, SHE WAS SITTING ON THE BATHROOM FLOOR WATCHING ME GET READY FOR WORK.

THEY ARE BRED FOR THIS PURPOSE, AND IT WOULD BE AN INJUSTICE TO TAKE A DOG THAT DOES THAT AND KEEP IT AS A PET, AND SO ONCE YOU SEE THAT IN THEM, YOU REALIZE THIS IS WHAT THIS DOG WAS MEANT TO DO HERE AND SO IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SEE THEIR PURPOSE IN THIS JOURNEY, AND IT'S NOT AS A PET, AND ALSO IF ALONG THE WAY THEY DETERMINE THAT THIS WAS NOT THEIR PURPOSE.

WHEN WE HAVE THOSE, ABOUT 49% DO NOT MAKE IT AS A SERVICE DOG.

WE CALL THOSE A CHANGE OF CAREER.

[CHUCKLING] THEY CAN EITHER GO TO A THERAPY DOG OR ANOTHER LOCATION.

THE PUPPY RAISERS GET FIRST CHOICE OF ADOPTING THOSE DOGS BACK.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, NEXT WE'LL READ A PROCLAMATION FROM THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, AND DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE RIGHT AFTER THIS.

SO WHEREAS WE BELIEVE IN THE JOYFUL, TRANSFORMATIVE POWER OF THE HUMAN CANINE BOND AND THE IMPORTANCE OF EMBRACING ALL, AND WHEREAS IN THE UNITED STATES, 64 MILLION ADULTS AND CHILDREN HAVE A DISABILITY, AND ONLY 16,000 SERVICE DOGS FROM ACCREDITED TRAINING PROGRAMS EXIST NATIONWIDE, AND THE NEED IS GROWING, AND WHEREAS CANINE COMPANIONS IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT ENHANCES THE LIVES OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES BY PROVIDING EXPERTLY TRAINED SERVICE DOGS AND ONGOING SUPPORT TO ENSURE QUALITY PARTNERSHIPS, AND WHEREAS, CANINE COMPANIONS AND THEIR SERVICE DOGS EMPOWER PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO LEAD LIFE WITH GREATER INDEPENDENCE BY PROVIDING BEST IN CLASS TRAINING, ONGOING FOLLOW UP SERVICES, AND A DEEPLY COMMITTED COMMUNITY OF SUPPORT, AND WHEREAS NATIONAL SERVICE DOG MONTH AIMS TO EFFECTUATE OUR COMMUNITY OR EDUCATE EXCUSE ME, OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF SERVICE DOGS AND THE LAWS PROTECTING THEM AND NOW THEREFORE, I, MAYOR SHAWN MCCASKILL ON BEHALF OF THE SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL, IN RECOGNITION OF SERVICE DOGS AND THE ADULTS AND CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 2024 AS NATIONAL SERVICE DOG MONTH AND I ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO CELEBRATE SERVICE DOGS AND BE RESPECTFUL OF THE RIGHTS AFFORDED TO THE ADULTS AND CHILDREN WHO LEAD MORE INDEPENDENT LIVES BECAUSE OF THEIR ASSISTANCE.

CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO COME DOWN AND TAKE A PICTURE.

OKAY.

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LET'S MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.

[5. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session. ]

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION.

ITEM FOUR A APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2024 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

ITEM FOUR B APPROVE THE COMMUNITY SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH APEX ARTS LEAGUE FOR THE TERM OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027.

ITEM FOUR C APPROVE THE COMMUNITY SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH ARTS COUNCIL NORTHEAST OR ARTS NET FOR THE TERM OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027. ITEM FOUR D APPROVE THE COMMUNITY SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH SOUTHLAKE SISTER CITIES OR SSC FOR THE TERM OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027.

ITEM FOUR E APPROVAL OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH SOUTHLAKE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, OR SHS FOR THE TERM OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027. ITEM FOUR F APPROVE RESOLUTION 24-030 AMENDING THE CITY FEE SCHEDULE.

ITEM FOUR G APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-031 ANNUAL REVIEW OF INVESTMENT POLICY AND INVESTMENT STRATEGIES.

ITEM FOUR H APPROVE AN ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH BARTLETT AND WEST TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING, DESIGN, INSPECTION AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES FOR REPAINTING OF THE FLORENCE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $350,000.

ITEM FOUR I ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-820, ZA24-0043 FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 2561 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT TWO, BLOCK ONE, WOODALL ADDITION, SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS.

CURRENT ZONING AG AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.

PROPOSED ZONING SF ONE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER ONE.

ITEM FOUR J.

EXCUSE THE ABSENCE OF COUNCIL MEMBER RONELL SMITH FROM THE SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2024 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND ITEM FOUR K EXCUSE THE ABSENCE OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VICE CHAIR MICHAEL FOREMAN FROM THE SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2024, REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE NEED ANY PRESENTATIONS OR ANY DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? ALL RIGHT. WE ALSO GOT A LETTER TODAY ON CASE OR ITEM NUMBER SIX F THE DAKOTA STEAKHOUSE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ASKING TO WITHDRAW THAT APPLICATION.

I GUESS THAT GOES ON CONSENT.

WE JUST NOTE THAT IT'S BEEN WITHDRAWN.

WE'RE NOT REALLY. THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY, SO WE'LL JUST NOTE THAT ONE'S BEEN WITHDRAWN.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR CONSENT? YES. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL TO CONSIDER ITEM SEVEN B ZA24-0054.

ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR 1310 TO 1360 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD.

ALL RIGHT, THAT'S A FIRST READING SO I'M FINE WITH THAT ON CONSENT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE THAT UP AND VOTE ON THAT IN OUR REGULAR SESSION.

SO NEXT UP I WILL CALL OUR REGULAR SESSION TO ORDER AND THE FIRST ITEM UNDER OUR REGULAR SESSION IS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[1. Call to order]

[2.A. Executive Session (Part 1 of 2)]

WE'LL SEE YOU THEN.

CITY PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER HAS ACTIVELY ENGAGED THE COMMUNITY THROUGH A DYNAMIC SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN AND

[2.B. Reconvene (Part 1 of 2)]

WEEK ONE KICKED OFF NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH BY INTRODUCING THE THREE P'S PREPARE, PLAN, AND PRACTICE.

WEEK TWO FOCUSED ON PREPARATION, HIGHLIGHTING THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFEGUARDING WHAT MATTERS TO YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES.

WE ARE CURRENTLY IN WEEK THREE WHICH DISCUSSES PLANNING, DEMONSTRATING ON HOW A SOLID PLAN CAN ALLEVIATE STRESS AND BUILD A MORE RESILIENT COMMUNITY, AND LASTLY, WEEK FOUR WILL EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF PRACTICING YOUR EMERGENCY PLANS TO ENSURE EVERYONE IS READY WHEN IT MATTERS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR HAVING ME.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO.

THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY BEHIND THE SCENES AND YOU CAN NEVER BE OVER PREPARED, BUT WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.

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THANK YOU. NEXT WE'LL GO BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

UNLESS THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM KATHY TALLEY.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS FOUR A THROUGH K, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

NOTING WE ARE INCLUDING ITEM SIX F, WHICH IS MOVED TO CONSENT BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ASKED THAT IT BE WITHDRAWN, AND THEN ALSO ADDING ITEM SEVEN B.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-424B ZA24-0054 FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR 1310 TO 1360 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOTS 13 R1 TO 13 R5.

TM HOOD NUMBER 706 EDITION SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS.

CURRENT ZONING S-P-1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT PROPOSED ZONING S-P-1, DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER FIVE.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA CARRIES SIX ZERO.

NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, OUR PUBLIC FORUM.

THE PUBLIC FORUM ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA TONIGHT.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM.

WE'RE GOING TO GO A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER TONIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO START WITH ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, A ORDINANCE.

[7.A. Ordinance No. 480-564F, ZA24-0042, 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Development Plan for Carillon Parc Plaza District, on property described as Tracts 3A4, 3A4A, 3A5, 3A, 3A3, 3A1B, and a portion of Tracts 1E, 1D, and 3A1, Larkin H. Chivers Survey, Abstract No. 300, and generally located at the northeast corner of E. S.H. 114 and N. White Chapel Blvd., west of Rivera Dr., and approximately 600 ft. south of E. Kirkwood Blvd., City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas. Current Zoning: "ECZ" Employment Center Zoning District. Requested Zoning: "ECZ" Employment Center Zoning District. SPIN Neighborhood #3.]

FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CARILLON PARC PLAZA DISTRICT.

DIRECTOR KILLOUGH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE ZONING FOR THE CARILLON PARC COMMERCIAL PORTION, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 25 ACRES LOCATED IN THE SOUTH PORTION OF THIS RED OUTLINED AERIAL PHOTO.

THE LAND USE DESIGNATION, THE PRIMARY LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS IS MIXED USE.

IT ALSO HAS AN OPTIONAL EMPLOYMENT CENTER.

LAND USE OVERLAY.

THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS EMPLOYMENT CENTER ZONING, AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN UP FOR RECONSIDERATION.

IT WOULD REVISE SOME OF THE BUILDING LAYOUT AND SQUARE FOOTAGES OF THE SITE, AND WOULD ALSO AMEND PORTIONS OF THE PROPOSED PARK DEDICATION.

THESE ARE THE SEVEN SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONSIDERATION OF.

THE FIRST, AS MENTIONED, IS TO CHANGE THE PARK DEDICATION FROM A PUBLIC PARK TO A PORTION OF THAT BEING OPEN SPACE.

THIS WOULD KEEP THE AMENITIES AS THEY ARE PRESENTLY APPROVED UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING.

THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED, AND THIS IS NOT PART OF THE ZONING, THAT IT WOULD REMOVE ANY COMMITMENT TO REIMBURSE COSTS RELATED TO THE WATER FEATURE.

THE SECOND ITEM ON THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPER FLEXIBILITY AND THE USE OF THE BUILDING IDENTIFIED HERE ON AS NUMBER TWO.

IF THIS IS TO BE DEVELOPED AS A PUBLIC LIBRARY OR PERFORMING ARTS, OR IF IT IS NOT TO BE DEVELOPED AS A PUBLIC LIBRARY OR PERFORMING ARTS, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING THAT THE USE OF THAT BUILDING BE PERMITTED FOR RETAIL, OFFICE OR PRIVATE CLUB USE.

IF IT IS DEVELOPED AS A PUBLIC LIBRARY PERFORMING ARTS.

IT COULD ALSO BE UTILIZED FOR OTHER PUBLIC FACILITIES TYPE USES, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE A VETERANS MEMORIAL.

ALSO, NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST TO COMBINE TWO BUILDING PAD SITES INTO ONE.

THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM BETTER ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT UNDER BUILDING PARKING TO SERVICE THIS AREA.

NUMBER FOUR ON THIS REQUEST IS TO UTILIZE, IF NECESSARY, UNDERGROUND DETENTION BELOW THE OFFICE BUILDING.

SHOWN ON ITEM THE RED CIRCLE, ITEM FOUR, AND THEN ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS TO CHANGE WHAT IS APPROVED AND DEDICATED AS A PUBLIC STREET, AND WAS PART OF THE PHASE ONE CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE ZONING REQUEST TO MAKE THAT A PRIVATE COMMON ACCESS FIRE LANE.

AS PART OF THIS ZONING REQUEST REVISION NUMBER SIX WOULD BE TO ADD A ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINT ONTO THE WESTBOUND 114 FRONTAGE ROAD, SUBJECT TO TXODT APPROVAL, AND THE SEVENTH ITEM OF CHANGE IS TO

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IT WOULD REMAIN AS LIMITED TO 50 UNITS.

SPECIFICALLY, IN THIS BUILDING, A AND THE MAXIMUM AREA ALLOTTED FOR THAT WOULD BE 115,000FT².

THIS IS A PROPOSED JUST LAND USE MIX THAT IS ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF THEIR ZONING BOOKLET, AND THIS IS THE NEW PROPOSED PHASING PLAN.

IT REFLECTS THE SAME PHASING AS UNDER THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.

HOWEVER, IT DOES IDENTIFY THAT LOOP ROAD AS A PRIVATE DRIVE, AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED REVISION TO THE PARK AND OPEN SPACE ALLOCATION WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

THE TWO AREAS IN GREEN ARE AND WILL REMAIN PUBLIC PARK DEDICATION.

THE AREA OUTLINED IN RED WAS ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING AS PARK DEDICATION AREA.

HOWEVER, THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE PRIVATE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.

THE AREA IN BLUE IS LOCATION FOR THE POTENTIAL PERFORMING ARTS LIBRARY, AND IF IT IS DEVELOPED UNDER THAT SCENARIO, THIS WOULD ALSO BE PART OF PARKLAND DEDICATION.

THIS IS A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF THE CURRENTLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND AS OF CREATION OF THIS PRESENTATION, WE HAD NOT RECEIVED ANY WRITTEN RESPONSES.

I BELIEVE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME EMAIL RESPONSES THAT WERE SENT LATE THIS AFTERNOON THAT YOU LIKELY HAVE RECEIVED.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS FIVE TWO SUBJECT TO A STAFF REPORT AND PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY, SPECIFICALLY NOTING THAT THEY WERE APPROVING THE REQUEST FOR REVISION UNDER ITEMS NUMBER TWO THROUGH SIX AND RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF ITEMS ONE AND SEVEN.

ALSO ASKING THE DEVELOPER TO CONTINUE COMMUNICATIONS WITH RESIDENTS ALONG RIVIERA LANE AND TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVES WITH RELATION TO NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS THE CONVERSION OF THE PUBLIC TO PRIVATE STREET AND LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVES TO THAT.

I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THE APPLICANT'S GOT A PRESENTATION THAT THEY CAN.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH.

COULD YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING VOTE, AND AS WE INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME DOWN AND GET STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT P AND Z APPROVED OR RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR ITEMS TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX.

IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANYONE ON COUNCIL WHO IS OKAY WITH WHAT P AND Z HAS DONE ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS THAT MAYBE THE APPLICANT DOESN'T NEED TO TOUCH ON THOSE, OR DO YOU WANT THE FULL PRESENTATION ON ALL THOSE ITEMS? I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AND WE CAN WE CAN HAVE THE FULL PRESENTATION ON ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON, WE COULD PROBABLY SKIP THROUGH, BUT I'LL THROW IT OUT THERE.

I GUESS WE'RE DOING THE FULL PRESENTATION.

ALL RIGHT, COME ON DOWN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS JOHN TERRELL. I'M AT 1710 HUNTER'S CREEK HERE IN CITY SOUTHLAKE.

THANK YOU THIS EVENING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TALK TO YOU AGAIN.

WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO MOVE INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF CARILLON PARC, WHICH INCLUDES ALL THE COMMERCIAL, AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I KNOW I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCUSSION YESTERDAY WITH THE MAYOR, AND I'D REALLY LIKE, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, TO JUST HAVE TWO OF THE MAIN INVESTORS AND PARTNERS IN THIS PROJECT COME DOWN, FAROOQ AZEEM AND HEMANTH GOLA, JUST TO MAKE A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS TO YOU AND THEIR APPRECIATION OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

SO IF I COULD HAVE FAROOQ AND HEMANTH COME DOWN, I APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU NEED TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS FAROOQ AZEEM 2005 ROCK DOVECOTE, WESTLAKE, TEXAS 76262

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IT'S INCREDIBLE THE LEVEL OF SUPPORT WE HAVE HAD, AND IT PUTS A BURDEN ON US TO DO IT BETTER AND BETTER AND DELIVER ON ALL THOSE THINGS, AND WE ARE HERE. IT HAS BEEN QUITE A BIG PROJECT AND WE ARE GLAD THAT WE HAVE FINISHED 99% OF THE PHASE ONE, AND WE ARE HERE TO DO THE ACTUAL WORK, WHICH WE ALWAYS DECIDED WE WILL DO IT AND WE ARE HERE AND WE HAVE OUR FULL COMMITMENT TO FINISH THE COMMERCIAL AS THE CITY WANTS IT, AS THE RESIDENTS ALWAYS WANTED IT, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ALL YOUR SUPPORT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL WANT THE BEST FOR THE CITY, BUT IT SHOULD BE COMMERCIALLY AND ECONOMICALLY VIABLE FOR US ALSO.

SO WHATEVER IS BEST FOR THE CITY AND EVERYTHING, THERE IS A SMALL PORTION.

IT SHOULD BE VIABLE FOR US TO DO THE PROJECT.

SO MOST OF THE CHANGES THAT WE WILL BE SEEKING ARE VERY MINOR.

THEY DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING DRASTICALLY, BUT MAYOR WILL EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THE CHANGES AND WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THOSE, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ALL YOUR SUPPORT AND WE REALLY THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE ENJOYED ALREADY, AND WE HAVE FULL COMMITMENT TO DO IT AND WE'LL SEE IT THROUGH. IT WILL BE A LEGACY PROJECT AND YOU WILL ALL LOVE IT AND IT WILL BE THERE LONG AFTER WE ARE ALL GONE.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE IT GOOD AND WE HAVE FULL COMMITMENT TO COMPLETELY FINISHING THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS HAMENTH GOLA.

I LIVE IN CARILLON ON SAINT-TROPEZ.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, I'M ACTUALLY THE FIRST HOME ON SAINT TROPEZ AND KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD, PROBABLY ONE OF THE CLOSEST HOMES TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE BUILDING.

THAT'S ANOTHER REASON I GOT INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT.

WHEN FIRST I MET JOHN AND TIM AND FAROOQ, WHEN THEY SAW THE VISION FOR THE PROJECT, AND AS FAROOQ SAID, WE ARE GETTING READY TO START THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE PROJECT.

WE CAN'T WAIT, AND SOME OF YOU WERE THERE IN THE GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONY JUST ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WHERE I MENTIONED THAT I KIND OF JOKED ABOUT MY DAUGHTER IS IN JUNIOR YEAR IN CARROLL, MY SON IS IN EIGHTH GRADE NOW IN CMS, AND THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION THEY ASKED ME IS, WHEN AM I GOING TO GET A COFFEE SHOP OR STARBUCKS OR ICE CREAM SHOP WHERE I CAN THEY CAN WALK FROM MY HOME TO THE RETAIL PORTION OF THE PROJECT.

SO I HAVE MANDATE MY OWN HOME TO FINISH THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE PROJECT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN BEFORE THEY GO OUT OF THE HOME TO THE COLLEGE AND THE FUTURE STEPS.

SO WE HAVE QUITE A FEW ALLOYS AND INTERESTS, FROM THE FINE DINING RESTAURANTS TO THE RETAIL SHOPS THAT THEY WANT TO COME IN HERE, AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP ANY NAMES.

WE HAVE THE BEST IN THE HOTEL CHAIN WHO WANT TO COME IN HERE.

WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT HILTON AND MARRIOTT, EVEN ONE LEVEL ABOVE THAT WHO WANT TO COME IN THERE.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP THE NAMES.

SO WE HAVE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET STARTED WITH THE COMMERCIAL PROJECT.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE SUPPORT FROM THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS TO SO THAT WE CAN GET STARTED LIKE TOMORROW.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WE WANTED TO MAKE CERTAIN THERE WAS A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WERE CONCERNED THAT ONCE THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WAS COMPLETE, THAT THE DEVELOPERS MIGHT NOT CONTINUE.

I THINK WHAT YOU JUST HEARD FROM THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING, AND WE WOULDN'T BE HERE IF THERE WASN'T A COMMITMENT TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE COMMERCIAL.

THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF BEHIND THE SCENES WORK ON THE RESIDENT OR THE RESTAURANT RETAIL COMPONENTS, AND IN FACT, WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH AN INCREDIBLE HOTEL BRAND THAT I THINK IF THEY ELECT TO COME IN HERE WILL BE JUST AMAZING FOR THE CITY.

SO I'D JUST LIKE TO.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT HAVE MOVED INTO THE COMMUNITY.

THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR ALMOST SEVEN YEARS.

NOT WITH CARILLON CROWN, BUT THROUGH FORMER PARTNERS AND AFTER THE HINES SOLD IT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE HISTORY OF THIS, THIS PROPERTY AND THE GATEWAY CHURCH AND MUCH OF TIMBERON WAS OWNED BY EXXONMOBIL.

THEY SOLD THIS PIECE AND THE AREA AROUND GATEWAY CHURCH TO AVENTERRA YEARS AGO, AND AVENTERRA CAME WITH MULTIPLE PLANS LOOKING AT CORPORATE CAMPUS OPPORTUNITIES, AND THOSE JUST NEVER CAME TO FRUITION.

HINES ENDED UP COMING THROUGH AND GETTING APPROVALS BACK IN 2008, AND THEY REALLY DID A GREAT JOB ON THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF CARILLON PARC OR CARILLON, AND YOU CAN SEE THE RESULTS OF THAT TODAY.

THEY DID HAVE A NUMBER OF ACRES ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WHICH THEY DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE JUST FROM ECONOMY.

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SO THEY DECIDED TO PUT THE COMMERCIAL UP FOR SALE, AND THAT WAS BOUGHT BY THE HUNTER CHASE PARTNERS, OF WHICH I WAS A PARTNER THERE, AND THEN LATER THROUGH THE CARILLON CROWN GROUP, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT NOTICE IS THAT IN THEIR PROPOSAL AND WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY, THERE WAS A SEA OF PARKING.

THERE WAS STILL A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER THAT WAS PROPOSED, BUT VERY LITTLE OPEN SPACE.

IN FACT, THEY PLANNED TO ON THE 42 ACRES.

IT WAS PRETTY MUCH CLEAR CUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT, AND THEY HAD A VERY SMALL, ABOUT THREE ACRE PIECE THAT WAS A POCKET PARK, SURROUNDED BY ROADS AND REALLY NOT ACCESSIBLE FOR PUBLIC, BUT JUST MORE OF A GREEN SPACE.

AS A REMINDER, TOO, AS WE KIND OF CAME THROUGH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS DONE IS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ALIGNED WITH THE CITY VISION THAT'S BEEN FOR SEVERAL DECADES, AND WE TOOK THE 2035 PLAN, THE 114 SECTOR PLAN, THE PARKS AND RECREATION PLAN, LIBRARY STUDY AND TASK FORCE, AND THE INFORMATION THAT THEY CAME UP WITH A RETAIL SATURATION STUDY, WHICH WAS VERY INFORMATIVE ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING TO WORK AND WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED TO COME INTO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, INCLUDING THE ECONOMIC CLUSTER ANALYSIS, AND THEN A LOT OF CITIZEN SURVEYS THAT HAVE BEEN OVER THE YEARS.

WE PUT TOGETHER A CHART TO SHOW HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES TO CHECK ALL THE BOXES FOR WHAT THE CITY VISION IS, AND IN THOSE INCLUDED, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE 114 SECTOR PLAN, CHEF DRIVEN RESTAURANTS, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR HIGHEST DRIVING FORCES.

INCUBATOR RESTAURANTS SMALLER SPACES THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO GROW INTO LARGER SPACES.

SPECIALTY RETAIL.

MORE EUROPEAN KIND OF THEMED HEALTH AND WELLNESS.

A CULINARY SCHOOL WHICH WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IN A WHILE BUT IS STILL VERY VIABLE.

A BOUTIQUE, UNIQUE HOTEL WHICH WE JUST DISCUSSED AND MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO.

WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS ON CURRENTLY AN OFFICE COMPONENT.

THE KEY PIECE OF THIS ECONOMIC CLUSTER ANALYSIS AND THE RETAIL SATURATION STUDY WAS BASICALLY SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T BE NATIONAL CHAIN RETAILERS AND YOU CAN'T BE NATIONAL CHAIN RESTAURANTS BECAUSE WE'RE SATURATED WITH THOSE.

SO WE NEED TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THE CULTURE AND CULINARY HUB.

WE NEED TO BE A DESTINATION FOR A RESTAURANT CULTURE.

THE CULINARY SCHOOL WOULD ADD TO A DESTINATION AS WELL AND PROVIDE SOME A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE THERE, AND WE NEEDED TO SOUTHLAKE IS KIND OF A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.

ANYBODY KNOWS YOU'RE GOING TO KIND OF PRETTY MUCH CLOSE DOWN RESTAURANTS BY ABOUT 9:00.

SO THIS NEEDED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE DAY AND THROUGH THE NIGHT OPPORTUNITIES, CULINARY EVENTS, DESTINATION TOURISM.

IT ALSO SPOKE TO THE PERFORMING ARTS VENUE AND HOW THAT WOULD DRAW FOLKS TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, CULINARY INCUBATORS, LOCAL ARTISTS AND CULTURAL EVENTS, AND THEN IN RECENT CONVERSATIONS, THERE'S BEEN SOME THINGS, AND I TALKED WITH THE MAYOR THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR SOME KIND OF TRIBUTE TO THE ARMED SERVICES MILITARY MUSEUM MEMORIAL THAT'S RELATIVELY NEW.

IT WASN'T MENTIONED IN THE ECONOMIC CLUSTER ANALYSIS, BUT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE CITY IS FOCUSED ON GOING FORWARD.

A BIG PIECE OF THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT VISION IS THE WATER FEATURE.

THIS IS NOT A FOUNTAIN.

IT IS A STUNNING SHOW CASE.

IT BRINGS PEOPLE INTO THE PARK.

IT IS AN ENTERTAINMENT OPPORTUNITY, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OTL, WHICH IS ONE OF THE TOP TWO WATER FEATURE COMPANIES IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

YOU CAN JUST SEE A COUPLE OF THREE OF MANY DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE BARRY CAYLOR AND TOM REAL, THE VICE PRESIDENTS FOR OTL HERE TONIGHT.

IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE AND ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THE WATER FEATURES.

THIS IS SOME RENDERINGS OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE PLANNED.

THOSE WATER FEATURES SHOW THAT THEY WOULD GO UP 90FT IN THE AIR.

YOU HAVE UNDULATING ARCHED WATER THAT CAN MOVE WITH MUSIC AND LIGHTS, AND IT JUST BECOMES AN ATTRACTION, AND YOU CAN SEE OVER ON THE RIGHT SIDE THE LOCATION OF THE MAIN WATER FEATURE, AS WELL AS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A SEPARATE BELL TOWER AS AN ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY.

THIS LOOKS AT JUST ONE OF THE RENDERINGS, AS YOU'RE KIND OF FACING THE CONDOS OVER RETAIL AND THE RESTAURANTS AND THE SECOND LEVEL OF THE RESTAURANTS OVER ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, AND THEN THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WAS WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY INDICATED AS A POTENTIAL LIBRARY FACILITY AT THAT LOCATION, AND JUST TO MAKE CLEAR, TOO, WE WANT THIS TO BE A SPECTACULAR WATER FEATURE AND ENTERTAINMENT AND SOMETHING THAT DRAWS PEOPLE FROM GREAT DISTANCES.

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CERTAINLY THAT IS EVEN EXPANDED BEYOND WHAT IS SHOWN IN THIS PICTURE AND POTENTIALLY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN JUST A CIRCLE OR AN OVAL AND ALLOW FOR VISIBILITY THAT FEATURE AS IT MOTION AND SHOOTS UP WATER KIND OF GOES DOWN AND GIVES YOU A BROADER, EXPANSIVE VIEW OF THAT OPPORTUNITY.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT AREA.

THE CARILLON CULINARY INSTITUTE WAS ALSO SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IS STILL ON THE DRAWING BOARD FOR ADDING THAT INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S KIND OF ADJACENT TO A LIBRARY OR ADJACENT TO OTHER PRIVATE MIXED USE, WOULD BE A PERFECT USE IN THAT BUILDING OUT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING.

WE'VE ALREADY WORKED WITH TARRANT COUNTY COLLEGE.

WE HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH THEM THAT WE CAN DO AN ARTICULATION AGREEMENT, WHICH ALLOWS THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TO GET COLLEGE CREDIT AS THEY GO THROUGH THIS CERTIFICATION PROGRAM. CCI WOULD HAVE THE AMERICAN CULINARY FEDERATION ACCREDITATION, SO THAT ALLOWS THE SCHOLARSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AND SO MANY DIFFERENT DEGREE PROGRAMS BECAUSE TCC ALREADY HAS A HOSPITALITY AND CULINARY ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE THAT THEY OFFER, AND NOT EVERY KID IS GOING TO GO TO COLLEGE FOR SOME KIND OF BUSINESS CAREER.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER TOO EVEN WITH THE CARROLL ISD, IN WHICH WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AS WELL, AND SCHOLARSHIP OPPORTUNITIES SO THAT WHILE THEY'RE TAKING HIGH SCHOOL CLASSES, THEY CAN ALSO GET COLLEGE CREDIT.

ALMOST AS IMPORTANTLY, THERE'S VERY MANY FACETS OF THE CULINARY PROGRAM AND THE CULINARY INSTITUTE IN TERMS OF AN EXTERNSHIP PROGRAM IN WHICH KIDS AND ADULTS THAT GO THROUGH THIS PROGRAM ALSO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO INTERN AT THE RESTAURANTS AND THEN HAVE CAREERS AND JOBS AVAILABLE FOR THEM THROUGH A PROGRAM THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH ALL THE CHEF DRIVEN RESTAURANTS FOR THE HOSPITALITY AND RESTAURANT, BUT ALSO A SHOWCASE KITCHEN. SO WE'RE ALSO BRINGING THE EXPERIENTIAL SIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH, SEE THE GLASS WINDOWS. YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THEM COOKING THE CLASSES THAT ARE OFFERED NOT ONLY FOR ADULTS BUT FOR YOUTH, AND THEN, MUCH LIKE THE PEARL IN SAN ANTONIO, THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR A KITCHEN OUTSIDE, AND IT PUTS THE SMELLS AND THE EXPERIENCE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A COMPANY WHICH WE PRESENTED BEFORE, HOSPITALITY ALLIANCE, AND KEVIN LILLIS, WHO IS ALSO A SOUTHLAKE RESIDENT, IS THE CEO OF THAT COMPANY, AND THEY ARE EXPERTS IN CURATING AND PROGRAMMING EVENTS AT LARGE VENUES.

I THINK THEY HAVE THE VENUE OUT IN LAS COLINAS LIVE FOR THE CURATING AND PROGRAMMING OF ALL THE EVENTS OUT THERE, AND THEY HAVE DONE THIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT EVENTS SPACES, INCLUDING THE AT&T CENTER, DOWNTOWN DALLAS, AND THIS IS A BIG PART OF US.

THIS IS NOT JUST LIKE THE TYPICAL PARK.

WE WANT TO USE THIS AS A DRAW OPPORTUNITY INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AND INTO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

WE DID RECEIVE ZONING APPROVAL BACK IN 2021.

YOU CAN SEE THE SITE PLAN THERE, BUT AT THAT TIME, THE CITY WANTED TO REVIEW WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO DO THE LIBRARY.

WE OFFERED UP AS A DEVELOPER TEAM TO SET ASIDE THE AREA THAT YOU SEE IN PINK DOWN IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE PROPERTY FOR A PERIOD OF ABOUT SIX MONTHS.

WHILE THE CITY STUDIED THAT THEY DID, THE CITY PUT TOGETHER A KIND OF A LIBRARY TASK FORCE AND COMMITTEE, AND WE STATED THAT WE WOULD COME BACK LATER AFTER THE CITY MADE A DECISION AND GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THE PLANNING OF THE AREA IN PINK, SINCE THAT WAS KIND OF LEFT A LITTLE BIT IN LIMBO, AND WE DID AT THE TIME, THOUGH, ALSO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO GET EVERYTHING KICKED OFF, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, WHAT WE'VE DONE ALREADY IS WE ARE 99% COMPLETE ON THE AREA THAT'S SHOWN IN PURPLE, KIND OF A LAVENDER COLOR, WHICH INCLUDED ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY AS WELL AS THE FIRST PHASE OF THE COMMERCIAL, AND OTHER THAN FINISHING THE WALL, WHICH WE ALSO UNDERSTAND, WE HAD A MATERIAL DELAY ON SOME OF THE STONEWORK OR STONE PRODUCT.

WE'RE EXPECTING THAT IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, AND SHOULD BE COMPLETED WITHIN ABOUT TWO WEEKS OF DELIVERY TO FINISH UP THAT WALL, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF LITTLE SMALLER ITEMS. SOMETHING ALSO TO NOTE.

WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE HOAS SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY, AND DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, WE DID HAVE SOME SILT FENCING

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SOME OF THE SILT CAME ACROSS THE PROPERTY INTO THE ROADS AND INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, AND DEPOSITED INTO THREE DIFFERENT PONDS, IN TWO IN ESTES PARK AND ONE IN CARILLON.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY.

WE'VE ENGAGED A STORM WATER CERTIFIED CONSULTANT THAT AND PROVIDING A REMEDIATION PLAN, AND WE'LL PROCEED WITH THAT REMEDIATION PLAN, WHICH WE EXPECT TO HAVE ANY DAY. ONCE THE CITY APPROVES THAT AND IT WILL BE STAMPED BY AN ENGINEER MAKING SURE THAT'S ALL TAKEN CARE OF.

THIS DEVELOPER HAS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY SO THAT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE DO, WHETHER IT'S OUR FAULT OR NOT, REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE GOING TO WORK TO REMEDY THOSE SITUATIONS BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE VERY GOOD DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS AT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

THIS IS JUST SOME VISUALS SHOWING FROM KIRKWOOD AND WHITE'S CHAPEL, THE CONSTRUCTION OF WHITE'S CHAPEL, THE EXPANSION, AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS GOING TO BE, AND IF YOU NOTICE KIND OF THE RED TRANSPARENT AREA, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE CONDO OVER RETAIL BUILDING WILL BE LOCATED.

SO YOU CAN SEE IN SCALE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AGAIN, THIS IS FROM THE NORTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION OF 114 AND WHITE'S CHAPEL, AND THEN THIS IS A CLOSE UP MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL SITE AND THIS GIVES YOU A REALLY GOOD PICTURE OF WHERE WE'RE PROTECTING THE TREES AND WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING OUT ON THE SITE.

WE'VE COMPLETED THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ROADWAY FOR THE PHASE ONE OF THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, AS WE AGREED WE WOULD DO, BUT WE'VE GONE FURTHER IN TERMS OF SOME MASS GRADING ON THOSE LOTS AS WELL, AND ALREADY DUG DOWN INTO THE AREA WHERE THE CONDO OVER RETAIL BUILDING WOULD TAKE PLACE.

SO WE'VE DONE A LOT MORE WORK THAN JUST WHAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE CITY.

THIS IS A GREAT VIEW FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

ONE, IT SHOWS WHERE WE'RE LOCATED.

IT SHOWS THE GREAT PICTURE OF THE LAKE GRAPEVINE BACK IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT IT ALSO GIVES YOU AN OVERALL DEPICTION OF THE FORESTED AREA IN THE PARK, WHICH IS A VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT, AND IF YOU LOOK DOWN, I WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS WHO DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THIS SITE LOOKED LIKE BEFORE WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, BUT HISTORICALLY, THERE WERE NO TREES ON THE NORTH, 16 ACRES WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS.

SO WHEN YOU SEE OUR LOTS, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE TREED AS THOSE HOMES ARE BUILT AND TREES ARE PLACED ON THOSE PROPERTIES THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY NATURALLY THERE.

AS A FOLLOW UP, AND AS WE WERE KIND OF PURSUING THE AREA IN PINK AND COMING IN WITH AN ADDITIONAL PLAN BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2023, WE CAME THROUGH SPIN THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE P AND Z GAVE US A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION.

COUNCIL DENIED THE PROPOSAL, BUT GAVE US A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK, AND SO NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE HAVE MODIFIED THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM NUMEROUS FOLKS, INCLUDING FROM THE COMMUNITY, IN OUR PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.

SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE RECENT THAT DENNIS WASN'T ABLE TO SHOW, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD IN LAST YEAR'S COMMENTS WAS THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT WHERE THAT BUILDING WAS LOCATED, AND I THINK IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY WHO MENTIONED THAT THE BUILDING LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ENCROACHING TOO MUCH INTO THE PARK, TAKING UP THE TREES AND BLOCKING SOME OF THE VIEW.

SO OUR NEW PROPOSAL, WHICH IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN, MOVES THAT BUILDING TO THE SOUTH AND FREES UP A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF SPACE.

IT ALSO PROVIDES MUCH BETTER ACCESS TO THE PARKING GARAGE, AND THIS IS WHETHER IT IS A LIBRARY OR WHETHER IT IS PRIVATE SECTOR MIXED USE USES IN THAT BUILDING, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT BECAUSE NOT ONLY DID IT FREE UP PARK SPACE, SAVE A LOT MORE TREES, BUT IT ALSO PUT US IN A POSITION THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BUILD WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AS THIS LOOP ROAD THROUGH THE PARK ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WE NOW CAN GET RID OF THAT ROADWAY, WHICH DOES A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

IT ALLOWS US TO ADD THIS AREA AS PARK SPACE AND CREATE A TRAIL SYSTEM FROM WHAT WE DID IN THE RESIDENTIAL INTO THE MAIN BODY OF THE PARK THROUGH THIS PARK AREA.

IT ALSO ALLOWS US, BY NOT HAVING TO PUT THIS ROADWAY IN, TO SIMPLY BRING IN THE ROAD HERE, AND SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL REMEMBER THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE CITY KIND OF BACKED OFF AND WAS A LITTLE MORE HESITANT ABOUT THE LIBRARY WAS THE FACT THAT AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE LIBRARY, WE SAID, HEY, WELL, WE WOULDN'T BE BUILDING THIS

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NOW THAT GOES AWAY, AND SO IF THE CITY IS ACTUALLY REVIEWING THIS STILL AS A LIBRARY, THAT $2 MILLION ADDITIONAL PRICE GOES AWAY AND THE DEVELOPER IS ACTUALLY BUILDING THE ROADWAY INTO THIS AREA WITH A CIRCLE DRIVE THAT WOULD ALLOW STILL ACCESS UNDER THAT BUILDING, INTO THE PARKING GARAGE, UNDER THAT FACILITY, AND PROVIDE ACCESS POTENTIALLY INTO THE LARGER PARKING GARAGE FOR ANY KIND OF EVENTS. SO IT'S LOWERING THE COST, AND IT PROVIDES THAT EXTRA PARK SPACE AND CONNECTION TO THE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH.

TODAY, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE PNC RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ITEMS TWO THROUGH SIX.

I DID SPEAK WITH ONE OF THE P&Z MEMBERS WHO HAD VOTED NO, AND THE REASON COMMISSIONER PHALEN VOTED NO WAS BECAUSE SHE WAS STILL FOR ITEMS TWO THROUGH SIX, BUT ALSO WANTED TO INCLUDE ITEM SEVEN, AND SO SHE VOTED NO BECAUSE IT DIDN'T INCLUDE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

SHE GAVE ME THE OKAY TO COMMUNICATE HER THOUGHTS ON THAT AS WELL.

ALSO, SINCE I DID SPEAK WITH THE MAYOR REGARDING THIS, I THOUGHT WHAT WE WOULD DO IS TAKE THE ITEMS TWO THROUGH SIX FIRST AND THEN MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN AND ONE SO THAT WE DISCUSS EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY WHAT THE P AND Z DID.

SO FIRST IS THE PROPOSED PROPOSED REVISION NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS ALLOWING A REQUEST TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO DEVELOP A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

IF THE CITY DETERMINES NOT TO DO THE LIBRARY OR OTHER PUBLIC BUILDING, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT WE SUBSTITUTE THAT.

WE WOULD STILL MAKE THIS VERY ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDING.

IT WOULD THEN ALSO BECOME A TAX GENERATING RETAIL, RESTAURANT, OFFICE, PRIVATE CLUB FACILITY, BUT IF THE LIBRARY AND IF THE CITY DECIDES TO CONTINUE TO DO A LIBRARY OR PERFORMING ARTS WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME FRAME, WE WOULD DEDICATE THAT LAND TO THE CITY AS PART OF PARK.

IT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY DO SOME, IF IT DOES GO INTO THE LIBRARY TO DO THE ARMED SERVICES TRIBUTE OR VETERANS MONUMENT RIGHT OUT IN FRONT.

THE DEVELOPER ALSO PROPOSES TO INCLUDE THE LIBRARY AS A PERMITTED USE SO THAT IF WE DO ARE ABLE TO WORK SOMETHING OUT ON THE LIBRARY, THAT IT IS ALREADY CONSIDERED AS A PUBLIC USE, THAT WE WOULD PRESERVE THAT OPTION TO BE LOCATED IN CARILLON PARC, SHOULD ALL THE FINANCIAL CONDITIONS MEET THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS.

AS THE STUDY SHOWED, THE BEST LOCATION FOR THIS LIBRARY IS IN CARILLON PARC, AND WE BELIEVE THAT IF WE CAN BUILD IT LESS EXPENSIVELY AND PROVIDE MORE ECONOMIC IMPACT BY PUTTING THE LIBRARY THERE AND CREATING A DESTINATION THAT WILL SUPPORT A VERY LARGE COMMERCIAL PROJECT, IF WE CAN AGREE ON THE TERMS TO CONSTRUCT THE LIBRARY, AS I MENTIONED, WE WOULD DEDICATE THAT AREA UNDER THAT BUILDING AS A PUBLIC PARK.

WE DO NEED AND I THINK THIS WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF WHY WE'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS.

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT BUILDING, NOT WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE A LIBRARY VERSUS PRIVATE SECTOR MIXED USE, BUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT BUILDING BECAUSE THE ENGINEERING, IT MIGHT NOT BE REAL CLEAR TO EVERYONE, BUT THE ENGINEERING FOR EVEN THE TWO RESTAURANTS AND THE CONDO BUILDING, RELY ON THE TOPOGRAPHY AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN DRAINAGE AND UTILITIES, AND SO WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WHAT WE'VE GOT THAT BUILDING THERE SO THAT WE CAN PLAN THAT AND GET THE ENGINEERING AND SCHEMATIC DRAWINGS BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS THAT WE WILL DO AFTER WE DISCUSS TONIGHT IS MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MORE DETAILED SCHEMATICS SO THAT WE CAN START CONSTRUCTION EARLY NEXT YEAR.

THE CHANGES I THINK I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED, BUT IT DOES MOVE THE LIBRARY SOUTH.

IT OPENS UP THE PARK.

IT CONNECTS THE GARAGE WITH A COVERED PARKWAY.

IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE THAT WE CONNECT THE BUILDING SO WE'RE NOT LOCKED IN STONE AS TO HOW THAT WOULD WORK, BUT WE COULD CONNECT THAT BUILDING TO THE PARKING GARAGE AND MAKE IT GREAT FOR A LIBRARY OR PRIVATE SECTOR BUILDING IN TERMS OF ACCESSIBILITY FROM THE LARGER PARKING AREA.

THE ROADWAY CONNECTION IS GONE AND IT RELIEVES ABOUT A $2 MILLION COST THAT WE HAD ESTIMATED.

SHOULD THE CITY DECIDE TO GO THROUGH WITH THE LIBRARY AT THIS LOCATION, AND THEN WE ADDED THIS CIRCLE DRIVE HERE THAT WOULD ACCESS IN UNDER THIS BUILDING AND PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES INTO THIS PARKING GARAGE.

SO THAT'S REVISION NUMBER TWO.

MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT EACH ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY OR IF YOU WANT TO RUN THROUGH TWO THROUGH SIX.

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WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK WITH A SITE PLAN, AND WE'LL BE DOING THE ENGINEERING BECAUSE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, TO THE CITY AND TO THE DEVELOPER, IS TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF SURFACE PARKING, AND SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY IF WE COMBINE THOSE BUILDINGS, IT ALLOWS US TO PUT A SINGLE LEVEL UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE BELOW THAT BUILDING AND ACCESS IT THROUGH A ROAD THAT WOULD HAVE TO DIP DOWN UNDER THE BUILDING AT THIS LOCATION BUT WE DO HAVE ENOUGH LENGTH TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

WE WILL BRING BACK A SITE PLAN AT A LATER DATE, BUT THAT I THINK IS A BASICS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THERE.

I THINK WE CAN SKIP NUMBER FOUR, ACTUALLY, UNLESS ANYONE HAS REALLY ANY HEARTBURN ABOUT THAT.

LET'S JUST I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

LET'S SKIP AHEAD.

SKIP NUMBER FOUR OKAY, AND THEN MOVE ON.

NUMBER FIVE THE PUBLIC TO PRIVATE ROAD.

I THINK WE'RE OKAY ALSO WITH NUMBER SIX, BUT LET'S GO WITH NUMBER FIVE FIRST.

OH FIVE FIRST. OKAY.

SO IN VARIOUS DISCUSSIONS WE HAD CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THE MAINTAINING OF THE VALET UBER LYFT DROP OFF AREA AS A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.

SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE IS JUST THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE COMING IN HERE AS WE'RE TRYING TO RAISE THE BAR IN TERMS OF EXPERIENCE INTO THESE FOLKS IN CHEF DRIVEN RESTAURANTS.

YOU MIGHT IMAGINE PULLING UP TO THE RITZ-CARLTON AND HAVING THAT AS A PUBLIC ROAD.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY EVEN DO SINGLE ONE WAY TRAFFIC AND DROP THAT OFF.

THIS IS STILL GOOD FOR THE UBER AND LYFT, NOT JUST FOR THE VALET PARKING.

IT HAS THE ABILITY TO SEGREGATE THE SELF-PARKING FOLKS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO VALET PARK.

IT GIVES IT A MORE EXCLUSIVE FEEL AND WE'VE GOT FOLKS FROM LONE STAR VALLEY SENIOR VP MARCELO UNTERBUG AND KYLE HENRY, THE EXECUTIVE VP.

ALSO, THAT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THAT OPERATES ANECDOTALLY AND WHAT THEY HAVE SHARED WITH ME, IS THEY HAVE NUMEROUS VERY HIGH END PROJECTS, INCLUDING LIKE THE STAR AND LEGACY WEST, AND THEY HAVE SHARED WITH ME THAT THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO THIS IS TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER MANAGING THAT.

HOWEVER, WITH THAT SAID, AND IT REDUCING CONGESTION AND FRUSTRATION FOR THE SELF-PARKING GUESTS, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE PROPER WAYFINDING SO THAT SOMEONE WHO IS TRYING TO SELF-PARK DOESN'T ACCIDENTALLY PULL INTO THE VALET.

IT WILL BE SIGNED PROPERLY AND WE'RE EVEN LOOKING AT DOING DIFFERENT PAVEMENT, PAVED STONE TYPE WORK ON THERE SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A PUBLIC STREET, BUT A LOCATION FOR THE VALET OR UBER AND LYFT TYPE DROP OFF.

WE WILL. BUILD THIS CLEARLY TOWARDS THE CITY STANDARDS OF WHAT WOULD BE A PUBLIC STREET.

SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CUT BACK ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF IT, AND IF NECESSARY, WE CAN ALSO PUT A PUBLIC EASEMENT ACROSS THAT AREA SO THAT IF THE CITY NEEDS THAT, WHAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO IS CREATE THIS SO THAT IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER MOBILITY AND FUNCTIONALITY THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO BE THIS HIGH END, WE LOOK AT POTENTIALLY MAKING THIS THREE LANES.

WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS, AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER WIDTHS OF THE ROADWAYS AND THROUGH LANES, NOT JUST THE AREAS WHERE YOU'RE PARKING THE VALET OR STOPPING FOR VALET, BUT A THROUGH LANE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO GET THROUGH, AS WELL AS THE FIRE SERVICES INTO THAT AREA FOR FIRE PROTECTION.

I'M GOING TO SUGGEST WE SKIP THIS ONE AS WELL.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON NUMBER SIX WITH THE TXDOT AND 114 A SECOND ENTRANCE.

SO IF YOU WANT TO GO TO NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER 7 OR 7 AND ONE, WHATEVER ORDER YOU PREFER, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON SIX.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

SO NUMBER SEVEN IS A REQUEST FOR MODIFICATION OF SQUARE FOOTAGE MINIMUMS PER EACH UNIT IN THE CONDOMINIUMS. WE'RE REQUESTING THAT WE CHANGE THE UNIT SIZE FROM A 2300 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM TO A 2300 SQUARE FOOT AVERAGE, WITH THE MINIMUM OF 1600 SQUARE FEET.

THE NUMBER OF UNITS WOULD STILL REMAIN AT 50.

WE RECALL THE CONVERSATION.

ALTHOUGH BRIEF LAST YEAR, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN AROUND THAT.

WE DO BELIEVE THAT.

STILL, IT ALLOWS US TO DO MORE CUSTOMIZATION AND FLEXIBILITY IN DESIGN AND ACCOMMODATE THE OTHER USES BECAUSE REMEMBER, THIS ISN'T ONLY A BUILDING WITH THE CONDO UNITS, THIS BUILDING CONTAINS OFFICE.

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IT DOES NOT IMPACT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS OF 50, AND IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 115,000FT² FROM AN EXTERIOR VIEW. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TELL WHETHER THAT'S ONE CONDO UNIT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE BUILDING, OR HOW MANY CONDO UNITS THAT YOU HAVE IN THERE.

THE EXTERIOR IS GOING TO LOOK THE SAME.

IT WILL FOLLOW SIMILAR AS BUILT LOFTS AND UNITS THAT WERE IN THE PARKVIEW CONDOMINIUM PRODUCT HERE IN TOWN SQUARE.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER END IN TERMS OF THE PRODUCT AND LOCATION, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED REALLY EVEN SINCE PRIOR TO AND SINCE LAST YEAR, WE'VE SEEN NUMEROUS REQUESTS THAT WOULD ALLOW THESE EMPTY NESTERS THAT DON'T NEED A 2300 SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY AND HOME TO MOVE INTO SOMETHING SMALLER, LOCK AND LEAVE.

OPTION AT THAT LOCATION.

JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, THE PARKVIEW RESIDENCE FROM A COMPARISON STANDPOINT, HAVE UNITS THAT ARE BETWEEN 1557FT² AND 3737FT², RANGING FROM 1.1 TO 2.9 MILLION.

IN VALUE RANGE, WE'RE GOING TO STILL HAVE THE SAME KIND OF GOURMET KITCHENS, HIGH END APPLIANCES, DESIGNER FINISHES.

THEY HAVE ROOFTOP TERRACE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ROOFTOP AND UPPER LEVEL PRIVATE CLUB THAT WOULD ALSO ACT AS A HEALTH AREA AS WELL, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT THREE UNITS NOW ARE FOR SALE.

ONE IS AT 1714FT², AT ABOUT $750 A SQUARE FOOT FOR 1.3 MILLION.

THAT'S IT FOR NUMBER SEVEN.

DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER SEVEN AT ALL? JUST MOVE ON TO ONE. I THINK GO AHEAD TO NUMBER ONE AND WE'LL COME BACK.

SO THEN THE PROPOSED REVISION NUMBER ONE IS CHANGING A PORTION OF THE DEDICATED PARK SPACE TO OPEN SPACE, AND I WANT TO REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS NOT TRYING TO PULL BACK PARKLAND.

IT IS TRYING TO HELP US WITH THE PROGRAMMING BY THE DEVELOPER OF THE AREA AROUND THE WATER FEATURE AND ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES AROUND THE KIOSK THAT IS SO CRITICAL TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS PROJECT.

WE'RE DESIGNED NOT LIKE A TYPICAL CITY PARK.

WE'RE DESIGNED FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND DESTINATION DRAW.

THE DEVELOPER HAS HISTORICALLY PRESENTED TO THE CITY THAT WE WOULD BE PROGRAMMING ACTIVITIES SUCH AS THE WATER FEATURE PERFORMANCES, AND THAT THOSE WOULD HAPPEN EVERY 30 MINUTES, THAT WE'D HAVE ENTERTAINMENT AND BANDS AND PERFORMANCES OUT THERE, CULINARY ART EVENTS, AND WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED AND BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE CITY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE BRINGING FORTH A PROFESSIONAL COMPANY SUCH LIKE HOSPITALITY ALLIANCE TO MANAGE THOSE EVENTS AND PROGRAM THOSE EVENTS, BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT.

IT IS DIFFERENT THAN, YOU KNOW, PROGRAMMING 4 OR 5 FESTIVALS IN A LARGE PARK.

RECENTLY, THE CITY STAFF ADVISED THAT IF WE DO IT AS A CITY PARK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REACH SOME KIND OF AN AGREEMENT ABOUT THE OPERATIONS THAT CONCERNED US IN TERMS OF WHAT THE TERM OF THAT IS, HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TO NEGOTIATE.

SO REALLY, THE OPEN SPACE WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A OPPORTUNITY OR AN OPTION, IF YOU WILL, TO TAKE CARE OF A CONCERNED DEVELOPER HAS ABOUT MANAGING THE OPERATIONS AND THE ACTIVITIES WITHIN THAT CENTRAL AREA.

IF YOU NOTICE TWO FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT DENNIS MADE EARLIER, THIS EXTENDS WHAT IS THE PARK AREA FURTHER TO THE EAST, RIGHT UP ADJACENT TO THAT AREA AND EXPANDS THE WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO ASK FOR OPEN SPACE VERSUS PARK SPACE.

SO THERE'S A LOT MORE PARK SPACE AND A LOT MORE TREES WITHIN THIS.

THE THIS DOES ALLOW US TO MANAGE THAT PROGRAMMING.

IT KEEPS IT AS A DEDICATED PARK, BUT THE CITY GRANTS THE DEVELOPER.

LET ME BACK UP.

I WANT TO SAY THAT WE ARE NOT DEAD SET ON OPEN SPACE VERSUS PARK.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE OPTIONS TO GET US TO THE SAME POINT OF GIVING US ASSURANCE THAT WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO MANAGE ALL THE PROGRAMMING IN THAT CENTRAL AREA OF WHAT'S SHOWN IN YELLOW.

RIGHT NOW, WE JUST NEED TO HAVE THAT, BUT IT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED IN OTHER WAYS.

IF, FOR INSTANCE, WE KEEP IT AS A DEDICATED PARK, BUT THE CITY GRANTS US AN EASEMENT, A PERMANENT EASEMENT WITH THE RIGHTS TO OPERATE AND PROGRAM THAT AREA.

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WE COULD ALSO LEAVE IT AS OPEN SPACE, BUT AS SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS I HAD WITH ALISON, WE COULD POTENTIALLY GRANT SOME KIND OF AN EASEMENT BACK TO THE CITY SO THAT THERE ARE ASSURANCES THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO COME ACROSS THAT PROPERTY, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE BLOCKING IT, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.

THIS IS NOT A LINE IN THE SAND TO SAY WE'VE GOT TO HAVE OPEN SPACE.

THIS IS SHOWING YOU THAT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS USE OPEN SPACE AS AN OPTION TO SOLVE AN ISSUE THAT WE HAD CONCERNING THE MANAGEMENT OF THE ACTIVITIES.

IF YOU LOOK TO THE AREA INSIDE THE JUG HANDLE, WHICH IS KIND OF OVER HERE ON THIS LEFT HAND SIDE, THAT AREA IS JUST RIGHT AT A HALF ACRE. THE EAST SIDE AREA.

NOW, WITH THIS ADDITIONAL PARK COMING UP HERE, IS ROUGHLY 3.7 ACRES FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR AND A HALF, JUST A LITTLE OVER FOUR AND A HALF ACRES BY COMPARISON. SO THAT YOU JUST HAVE THIS KIND OF MENTAL PICTURE OF WHAT SIZE THAT IS.

TOWN SQUARE IS RUSTON PARK, WHICH IS EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL ALL THE WAY OUT TO 1709.

IF YOU TAKE OUT THE ROADS AND PARKING SPACES, THE ACTUAL PARK AREA IS ONLY ABOUT TWO ACRES.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE OVER DOUBLE THAT IN THE PARK THAT WE WOULD BE DEDICATING, AND THEN IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE SHOWING IN YELLOW, WHICH IS PUBLIC PORTION OF THE PUBLIC PARK DEDICATION CHANGING TO OPEN SPACE, I CAN'T REITERATE ENOUGH.

WE STILL INTEND THIS TO BE ACTING JUST LIKE A PARK.

IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

WE PLAN TO DO ALL THE AMENITIES THE EXACT SAME AS WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED, AND THAT IS ABOUT 3.63 ACRES IF YOU TAKE THE BLUE AREA, AND THAT IS ABOUT A 1.09 ACRES IN THE BLUE AREA THAT ACCOMMODATES THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING, THEN YOU HAVE A TOTAL PARK AND OPEN SPACE.

IF THIS PUBLIC BUILDING IS A LIBRARY OF 9.26 ACRES, IF THIS BECOMES PRIVATE SECTOR AND YOU AGREE ON THAT, THEN EVEN WITH THAT BEING COMMERCIAL, THE BUILDING AND THE LAND AROUND IT, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT OVER EIGHT ACRES IN OPEN SPACE AND PUBLIC PARK OR HOWEVER WE WORK THAT OUT AGAIN, IT WILL NOT MATERIALLY ALTER THE SIZE OF WHAT IS OPEN SPACE OR REDUCE ANY OF THE AMENITIES, AND WE WILL STILL BUILD THAT WATER FEATURE TO BE SOMETHING AMAZING.

IT WOULD REQUIRE A MODIFICATION TO AN INCENTIVE AGREEMENT, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE MENTIONED TO THE CITY IS THAT IF WE DO THAT AS OPEN SPACE, NOT ONLY DOES IT KEEP THE PROPERTY IN THE SAME BASIC USES THAT WAS ALREADY PLANNED, BUT IT REMOVES THE CITY'S OBLIGATION FOR 50% OF THE COST TO MAINTAIN THAT AREA INTO THE FUTURE AS WELL.

AS WE'VE AGREED TO REDUCE THE COST TO THE CITY OF 50% OF THE COST OF THE WATER FEATURE.

SO THE CITY IS BASICALLY GETTING THE SAME THING AT A SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED COST TO THE CITY OR PARTICIPATION BY THE CITY.

IT ALSO BY DOING THIS INCREASES SALES TAXES, WE BELIEVE, BECAUSE BY CHANGING THIS INTO A REVENUE PRODUCING AND FUNCTIONALLY PRIVATE SECTOR LAND, IT NO LONGER IS PUBLIC PARKS.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE TAXED.

IT IS NO LONGER TAX EXEMPT.

I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT IF THIS BECOMES THE LIBRARY, AND EVEN THOUGH WE'VE DRAWN THIS LINE HERE TO KIND OF INDICATE WHAT WE HAD AS OPEN SPACE, IF THIS DOES BECOME LIBRARY, WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO TALK ABOUT EXPANDING THAT AREA OUT HERE FOR WHATEVER THE CITY WANTS TO DO IN TERMS OF STATUES, MONUMENTS, ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MILITARY TRIBUTE OR ANYTHING ELSE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC ART IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS IF YOU DRAW THIS ACROSS, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THIS AND THEN WE CAN HAVE AGREEMENTS ON HOW WE OPERATE, AND IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT AS I WAS TALKING TO FAROUQ JUST YESTERDAY, THIS ISN'T A LINE IN THE SAND.

AGAIN REGARDING THE FUNCTIONING OF THIS.

IF THE CITY NEEDS SOME PERIOD OF TIME, TEN DAYS A YEAR OR SOMETHING OF CITY FUNCTIONS IN THERE, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK THAT OUT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE GREAT PARTNERS WITH THE CITY, BECAUSE IT'S IN BOTH OF OUR BEST INTERESTS IN TERMS OF BRINGING TOURISM AND ENTERTAINMENT INTO THIS COMMUNITY AND MAKING THIS A DRAW.

SO WE WOULD LOVE TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO MAKE THIS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP ON HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK.

WE WANT THIS TO BE A LEGACY PROJECT.

THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT IF WE DO THIS FOR A SEPARATE PARK MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT, SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE A SEPARATE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT.

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WE HAVE TO GET PERMITS FOR THOSE KIND OF EVENTS.

SO THE CITY WOULD STILL HAVE A LOT OF SAY AS TO WHAT HAPPENS IN THERE.

IT'S JUST THAT WE WOULD BE PROGRAMMING IT ON A REGULAR BASIS.

COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS, DID YOU HAVE A? OKAY, AND IT DOES ALLOW US TO, YOU KNOW, MODIFICATIONS.

IF WE TWIST A BUILDING THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND CHANGE A PUBLIC PARK.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I NOTED, AND IT'S A SMALL THING, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT AS WE LOOK AT COMING IN, IF THIS IS OPEN SPACE AND WE HAVE RESTAURANTS ALONG THIS FRONT, AND WE HAVE ACTIVITIES ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE HOTEL AND THINGS HERE, IT ALLOWS US TO COME BACK TO THE CITY AND LOOK AT POSITIONING, DINING AREAS AND SHADED AREAS THAT WOULD DRAW MORE PEOPLE INTO THIS AREA AND BE VERY FLEXIBLE FOR THE RESTAURANTS AND THE RETAILERS THAT ARE OUT HERE.

JUST REAL QUICK, THIS IS NOT ONE OF THE ITEMS, BUT FROM AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ESTIMATE, THIS PROJECT, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO PROCEED WITH THIS, WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 719,000FT², AS DENNIS PROJECTED.

IT'S JUST UNDER 300,000FT² IN PHASE ONE, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD BE MOVING INTO NEXT AND 423,000.

IN PHASE TWO, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT ALL THE SAME USES THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE AND NOT PART OF THE COMMERCIAL, BUT JUST AS AN INFORMATIONAL BASIS.

WE'RE BRINGING ABOUT $142 MILLION IN PROPERTY VALUE, JUST IN THE 79 RESIDENCES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT AND ALREADY APPROVED AND STARTED.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT A $313 MILLION CAPITAL INVESTMENT.

ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, IT'LL GENERATE ROUGHLY APPROXIMATELY THREE $3 MILLION IN CITY IMPACT FEES, CREATING ALMOST 14,000 OR 1400 NEW EMPLOYEE OPPORTUNITIES, AS WELL AS A 64.36 MILLION ANNUAL TAX, TAXABLE SALES, AND THEN SOME OF THE ESTIMATES EARLY ON ON THE PROJECTIONS OF TOURISM AND WHO'S GOING TO COME HERE.

THERE WAS A STUDY THAT SHOWED WE WOULD PROBABLY GET ONE PLUS MILLION OUT OF TOWN VISITORS IN THE FIRST YEAR THAT THIS IS COMPLETED.

I THINK FROM OUR PRESENTATION, WE HOPE TO SHOW THAT WE ARE STILL COMMITTED TO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.

WE LOOK TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY.

THE PARTNERS IN CARILLION CROWN ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING THIS STILL THE JEWEL THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS ENVISIONED, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING DISCUSSIONS AND ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THIS PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THAT.

COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT WITH THE APPLICANT BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING? GO AHEAD. YEAH.

I'LL GO. SO WE'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF THINGS.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT AN INVESTOR THAT SAYS WE NEED THIS TO HAPPEN FOR THIS TO GO, BUT THEN WE'VE GOT YOU SAYING THIS IS A VERY SMALL PIECE.

IT DOESN'T MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HERE WITH THIS PLAN.

MULTIPLE. RIGHT, AND WE'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE, YOUR LACK OF PLANNING DOES NOT BECOME OUR SENSE OF URGENCY.

WE'VE TOLD YOU ALL ALONG YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW FOR THE COMMERCIAL PIECE OF THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LACK OF EXPERIENCE, LACK OF INTEGRITY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT YOU GUYS KEEP COMING BACK TO US AS A COUNCIL AND ASKING FOR MORE AND MORE CHANGES EACH AND EVERY TIME.

NOW YOU WANT TO TAKE BACK PARKLAND.

YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE BACK PARKLAND, BUT YOU WANT TO TAKE CONTROL OF PARKLAND SO THAT YOU DICTATE WHAT HAPPENS THERE, AND WE DON'T DICTATE WHAT HAPPENS THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. WHY YOU WEREN'T CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THREE YEARS AGO, I DON'T KNOW.

YOU MIGHT RECALL WHEN YOU FIRST PRESENTED THIS TO US, YOU KIND OF GOT UPSET WITH ME BECAUSE I ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND YOU TOLD ME, IF YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE NO, JUST VOTE NO. I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU.

I'M NOT ANSWERING ANY MORE OF YOUR QUESTIONS.

HONESTLY. I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU ANY MORE QUESTIONS TONIGHT.

I'M OUT ON ONE.

I'M OUT ON SEVEN. I'M OUT ON MOST OF THE OTHER STUFF.

YOU CAN HAVE THREE, YOU CAN HAVE SIX, BUT IF ANY OF THAT OTHER STUFF'S IN THERE, I'M TIRED OF THE HORSE TRADING THAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS EVENT.

FIX THE COMMERCIAL, GET IT BUILT.

WE'VE GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING YOU ASKED FOR.

YOU HAD THE VALET STUFF THERE FROM THE BEGINNING.

YOU GUYS TOOK IT OUT WHEN YOU DID THIS.

WE'VE UPHELD OUR END OF THE DEAL ON THIS COUNCIL THE ENTIRE TIME, AND I'M TIRED OF HEARING EXCUSES ABOUT WHY THE COMMERCIAL IS NOT THERE. SO I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS, AND I'LL WE HAVE IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE RECORDINGS, THE AREA IN PINK IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT WAS ALWAYS PLANNED TO COME BACK.

WHEN WE DID COME BACK, WE WERE DENIED WITHOUT EVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THROUGH ALL THE ISSUES.

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I MEAN, WE'RE NOT BUILDING THAT LIBRARY ANYTIME IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, 12 MONTHS, 18.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND $50 MILLION ON A LIBRARY HERE.

SO THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.

YOU GUYS ARE EITHER GOING TO PUT RETAIL THERE WITHOUT THE PARKLAND, OR YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, SOME PIECE OF PARK SO WE CAN STOP TALKING ABOUT THE LIBRARY.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU SIR.

ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL BEFORE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

JOHN, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION.

THE PIECE WHERE YOU MOVED THAT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT BUILDING NUMBER IT IS, BUT WHERE IT'S MAYBE A LIBRARY, MAYBE NOT WHERE YOU MOVED IT DOWN.

I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT STAFF DIDN'T SEE THAT BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING IN ANYTHING THAT WE RECEIVED.

SO IS THIS NEW TODAY? THIS IS NEW FOR THIS PRESIDENT.

WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THIS FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

RIGHT, I KNOW THAT.

WE IDENTIFIED WHAT YOUR COMMENT WAS AND MADE THAT MODIFICATION THROUGH THIS TO OPEN UP THE PARK SPACE, MOVE THE BUILDING DOWN AND REMOVE THE ROADWAY, BUT SO STAFF HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS EITHER.

THIS IS BRAND NEW CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

A COUPLE QUESTIONS, MR. TERRELL.

ON ITEM FIVE ON THE VALET NOTWITHSTANDING WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS SAID BECAUSE IT'S A FAIR POINT, BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF A PRIVATE ROADWAY CAUSES CONCERN AT LEAST IT DOES FOR ME.

I CAN POINT TO A PART OF TOWN, LIKE OVER THERE, BACK BEHIND KIRBY'S AND IHOP AND SO FORTH, WHERE A COUNCIL A LONG, LONG TIME AGO APPROVED A PRIVATE ROADWAY THERE AND FOR THE LAST 15, 20 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN SITTING ON A ROAD THAT I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE A BOMB WENT OFF THERE.

THERE'S SO MANY POTHOLES, AND WE CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.

WE CAN'T REPAIR IT. WE CAN'T FIX IT, AND THEY DON'T FIX IT, AND SO WE'RE STUCK.

CERTAINLY. NO, THAT WOULDN'T BE YOUR INTENTION, BUT MY GUESS IS THAT WASN'T THEIR INTENTION EITHER.

YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE ON THAT ITEM.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON A PUBLIC ROADWAY WITH DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL TO WORK WITH STAFF ON A LICENSING AGREEMENT TO USE THE PUBLIC ROADWAY IN A FASHION THAT WOULD MEET THE NEEDS OF A VALET, POTENTIALLY NO COMMITMENT, BUT POTENTIALLY, I THINK THAT COULD WORK AS WELL, AND AS I MENTIONED, TOO, EVEN IF IT'S PRIVATE, WE'RE WILLING TO GRANT AN EASEMENT.

WE'RE ALSO WILLING TO GIVE THE CITY THE POWER TO MAKE US MAINTAIN IT, BUT THAT'S THE FRONT ENTRANCE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THAT IF THAT FALLS APART, THAT IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE BUILDING, BUT WE'RE ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO WHATEVER OPTION STILL ALLOWS US TO DO THE VALET PORTION AND POTENTIALLY DO ONE WAY STREET AND ACCESSIBILITY.

THAT'S NOT OUR ISSUE AS TO WHETHER IT'S REALLY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.

WE JUST THOUGHT IT WAS EASIER TO DO IF IT IS PRIVATE, BUT AS LONG AS WE'VE GOT THE SAME RIGHTS TO HAVE THE FUNCTIONALITY THE SAME, I THINK WE'RE FINE.

OKAY. THAT'S A CONVERSATION TO HAVE.

THE OTHER ITEM BACK TO NUMBER ONE IS YOU KNOW, WHERE WE SIT HERE IN TOWN SQUARE, WE HAVE YOU REFERENCED RUSTON PARK, WE HAVE FRANK CORNISH PARK ARE TWO MAIN PARKS HERE. THAT KITE DOESN'T CONTROL PROGRAMMING.

THE CITY DOES, BUT IT WORKS VERY WELL, YOU KNOW.

THEY COME FORWARD. THEY HAVE THEIR THEIR PROPOSALS OR THE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE A PROPOSAL TO THE CITY, WHICH SO OFTEN, YOU KNOW, GAIN APPROVAL BECAUSE, I MEAN, THE HISTORY SPEAKS FOR ITSELF THAT THE SUCCESS OF THOSE FESTIVALS AND PROGRAMMING.

RIGHT. SO I'M CURIOUS, WHY WOULD WE DO DIFFERENT HERE? I MEAN, BECAUSE I WOULD SAY THIS TO THE MOMENT THIS OPENS, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF A BRIEF AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE THAT IS SOUTHLAKE.

IT'S NOT CARILLON PARC DEVELOPERS, IT'S NOT KITE INVESTMENTS.

NOBODY EVER SAYS, DID YOU GO SEE THE KITE INVESTMENT AREA OF SOUTHLAKE? IT'S SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE, RIGHT? AND SO IT'S BRANDED AS US, AS EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO WHY WOULD WE WANT TO GIVE UP THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT, JUST LIKE WE DO HERE IN TOWN SQUARE? WELL, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD MENTION IS THAT THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF THE PRESENTATIONS, IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED THAT THE DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO MANAGE THE FUNCTIONS OF THAT PARK OR OPEN SPACE THE FOUNTAIN FEATURES.

THIS WASN'T SOMETHING WE WERE GOING TO BUILD A $5 MILLION FOUNTAIN AND HAND OVER TO THE CITY.

CAN I ASK ON THAT THEN IF THAT IS YOUR BELIEF, THEN WHY WOULD YOU BRING THIS FORWARD? WHY WOULD I BRING WHAT FORWARD? THIS NUMBER ONE, IF IT WAS YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO MANAGE IT ANYWAY BY THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT, WHY BRING IT FORWARD? AS I MENTIONED, RIGHT HERE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, I SAID RECENTLY, IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, IT CAME UP THAT THE CITY STAFF SAID WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO ENTER INTO A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WE WOULD NEGOTIATE WITH THE CITY ON, BUT WE WEREN'T

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WE WEREN'T GUARANTEED ON THE TIMING OF THAT MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT OR THE TERM OF THAT MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT, AND THIS IS A REVENUE GENERATOR THAT HAS BEEN DIALED INTO THE SUCCESS OF THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, AND I WOULD SAY TOO THROUGH OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH HOSPITALITY ALLIANCE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE ENTERTAINMENT TYPE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BRINGING THESE KIND OF FUNCTIONS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PROGRAMMING, YOU KNOW, 4 TO 12 EVENTS, WE'RE TALKING 200 EVENTS A YEAR.

CITY STAFF IS NOT READY TO DO THAT AND DOESN'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW ALCOHOL LICENSES WORK, AND SO THIS IS A PRIVATE SECTOR TYPE FUNCTIONALITY VERSUS A PUBLIC SECTOR FESTIVAL EVENTS BUT CAN'T YOU--YOU MAY NOT AGREE, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE ABILITY OF THE CITY TO OVERSEE THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COORDINATED AREAS LIKE A TOWN SQUARE, AND NOW CARILLON PARC IS AGAIN IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS, AND TO YOUR POINT, WELL, 200 200 EVENTS, THOUGH, THAT'S A LOT.

I MEAN, WHEN I TALK ABOUT BRANDING, THE CITY BRANDING, YOU KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF BRANDS, RIGHT GOING ON, AND WE JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY, AND IT WAS ALWAYS CONSIDERED TO BE A REVENUE STREAM FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, FOR THE FUNCTIONING OF THOSE EVENTS. THANK YOU.

CERTAINLY. I'LL JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS HAS A FLIGHT TO CATCH.

WE TRIED TO GET THROUGH THIS ITEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT HE HAS TO LEAVE TOWN, SO WE'LL PROCEED.

WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. TERRELL BEFORE WE OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO LEAVE THIS ONE UP ON THE SCREEN? YEAH. THAT'S FINE. NOW, THIS IS FIRST READING, SO THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM SEVEN A WE HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS.

SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE, AND KNOW THE RULES. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, JUST COME ON DOWN AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

THERE WILL BE A LIGHTING SYSTEM TO YOUR RIGHT OF THE SCREEN.

GREEN MEANS GO.

YELLOW MEANS YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT, AND THEN RED MEANS STOP, AND YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP.

IF YOU'VE SUBMITTED A CARD AND WE HAVE A FEW THAT WOULD HAVE INDICATED THEY DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK, BUT IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, JUST COME ON DOWN AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO BE HEARD TONIGHT WILL BE HEARD.

SO FIRST UP MARY LEE ALFORD, 1812 SAINT PHILIP AVENUE.

STATES THAT I WILL PROBABLY SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM.

I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN PROBABLY NOW.

SO COME ON DOWN, AND EVEN THOUGH I JUST INTRODUCED YOU, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN YOU HAVE THOSE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MARY LEE ALFORD, 1812 SAINT PHILIP AVENUE.

I'M A RESIDENT OF CARILLON.

I'VE BUILT THREE HOUSES AND I'VE DESIGNED THEM ALL MYSELF, AND EVERY TIME I DESIGN THEM, I THINK THEY'RE PERFECT, AND THEN WE GET INTO THE BUILDING PROCESS AND SOMETHING ALWAYS HAPPENS, AND SO WE HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH BUILDING THE HOUSE, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES AS WE GO.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE ISN'T GOING TO HAVE SOME CHANGES OR SOMETHING POP UP EVERY NOW AND THEN, LIKE A RETENTION DETENTION POND THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED AND BROUGHT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE, AS CARILLON RESIDENTS, APPRECIATE THAT THE DEVELOPER BRINGS THINGS BACK TO CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US IS GOING ON IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTING TO YOU.

SO WE WOULD ASK THAT THEY NOT BE DISCOURAGED IF THEY FEEL THE NEED TO COME BACK.

THIS IS A HUGE, HUGE PROJECT FOR ALL OF SOUTHLAKE AND IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO GET IT RIGHT.

THE I'D LIKE TO JUST ADDRESS RANDY WILLIAMSON PERSONALLY AND JUST SAY, I APPRECIATE SO VERY MUCH THE WAY YOU HANDLE YOURSELF, YOUR DECORUM, THE WAY YOU SPEAK AND ASK QUESTIONS WITH GREAT RESPECT, BECAUSE I JUST BELIEVE THAT ANYONE THAT COMES UP HERE SHOULD BE SPOKEN TO WITH RESPECT, AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN SOUTHLAKE THAT STILL LOVE THE IDEA OF THE LIBRARY.

THE LIBRARY WAS WAS VOTED ON TWICE.

WE WERE LIKE, GIVEN THE LIBRARY.

IT'S LIKE WE HAD IT, AND IT WAS APPROVED.

THE SAME WITH THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.

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IF BY MOVING THAT AND OPENING UP THE PARK AND REMOVING THE ROADS AND SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE SAVES A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY, THEN AND IF MONEY WAS THE ISSUE THEN, THEN PLEASE TAKE CONSIDERATION THAT THE THESE ARE QUALITY OF LIFE AMENITIES, AND THERE AND IT WOULD FEED REVENUE INTO THE AREA AND DON'T SHUT IT.

DON'T SHUT IT OFF NOW PLEASE.

PLEASE CONSIDER TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE LIBRARY AND POSSIBLY EVEN THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER ABOVE IT, JUST LIKE HAD BEEN APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.

THANK YOU ALL I KNOW, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL FATIGUED, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

NEXT, WE HAVE ELEANOR SCOTT AT 801 GIVERNY LANE.

DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD SUPPORT FOR ITEM SEVEN A, AND AGAIN, IF ANYONE WANTS TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK AFTER HAVING PREVIOUSLY SAID YOU DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, JUST COME ON DOWN. I'LL TRY TO KEEP MY EYES UP AND CATCH YOU.

DEBORAH BRECKON 1813 SAINT PHILIP AVENUE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS SUPPORT FOR ITEM SEVEN A.

DENISE SHIRLEY AT 1801 SAINT PHILIP AVENUE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS SUPPORT FOR ITEM SEVEN A.

JOHN COLVIN AT 418 PALLADIAN BOULEVARD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORD SUPPORT FOR ITEM.

I'M ASSUMING IT'S SEVEN A.

KAREN FIELDS AT 1820 SAINT PHILIP AVENUE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS SUPPORT FOR ITEM SEVEN A.

JENNY [INAUDIBLE] AT 1805 SAINT PHILIP AVENUE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORD SUPPORT FOR ITEM SEVEN A.

CARL ALFORD AT 1812 SAINT PHILIP AVENUE STATED HE CANNOT ATTEND TONIGHT, BUT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE SEVEN REVISIONS THAT THE CARILLON PARC DEVELOPERS ARE REQUESTING ON ITEM SEVEN A THIS EVENING.

SUSAN WILSON AT ONE 809 SAINT PHILIP AVENUE.

RECORD SUPPORT.

DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK OR NOT? NO. OKAY.

DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD SUPPORT FOR SEVEN A.

CAROLYN ALLEN AT 301 WATERMERE DRIVE, NUMBER 415.

DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS SUPPORT AND WOULD LIKE TO RECORD MY SUPPORT FOR CAROLYN PARK AND COMMENT ON THE SIZE OF THE CONDOS WHEN WE DOWNSIZE. MY HUSBAND I MOVED INTO 1500FT² FROM A HOUSE OF 3000FT².

IT WAS THE PERFECT SIZE FOR US.

WE HAVE FRIENDS THAT NEEDED MORE, AND THEY LIVE IN APPROXIMATELY 2400FT².

MY POINT IS THAT FLEXIBILITY ON THE SIZE OF THE CONDO SPACE IS A GOOD THING, SO I SUPPORT ALLOWING THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 1600 AND AN AVERAGE SIZE OF 2300FT².

THANK YOU. JOANNE TERRELL, AT 1710 HUNTERS CREEK DRIVE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS SUPPORT FOR ITEM SEVEN A. MELANIE GREGOR AT 1833.

RIVIERA LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS SUPPORT FOR SEVEN A CRAIG ROGERS AT TWO 601 PARKER COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK.

HE DOES NOT STATE SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.

[INAUDIBLE] PATTY ROGERS AT 2601 PARKER COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK.

DOES NOT CHECK SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, BUT STATES, I WOULD LIKE TO RECORD MY SUPPORT OF CARILLON PARC AND THIS DEVELOPER.

I HAVE FOLLOWED THIS PROPERTY CLOSELY FROM THE BEGINNING, AND I AM EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT BRINGS TO SOUTHLAKE.

I WATCHED THE MOST RECENT P AND Z MEETING AND JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I DISAGREE WITH THEIR LACK OF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING CONDO SIZE.

I SUPPORT ALLOWING THE CONDOS TO BE AN AVERAGE OF 2300FT², WITH A MINIMUM OF 1600 SQUARE FEET.

I FEEL THAT THIS PLAN OFFERS MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY TO BOTH THE DEVELOPER AND THE PURCHASERS OF THE CONDOS, WITHOUT ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE CITY,

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ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT CARDS OR ANY OTHER SPEAKERS TONIGHT? YES, SIR. COME ON DOWN, AND AGAIN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE THREE MINUTES.

YEAH. MY NAME IS RON MILLER.

I LIVE AT 1713 RIVIERA LANE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

CARILLON PARC IS OUR FRONT YARD.

YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF NAMES RATTLED THROUGH THERE.

MOST ALL, BUT ONE DOESN'T LIVE ON RIVIERA LANE, AND IF YOU LIVED ON RIVIERA LANE AND THIS WAS YOUR FRONT YARD, YOU WOULD FEEL DIFFERENTLY THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED. I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN IN THE REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT BUSINESS FOR 30 YEARS, WAS HIGHLY INVOLVED IN LEGACY WEST DOMAIN NORTH SIDE IN AUSTIN, TEXAS, AND THE LARGEST PROJECT THAT WE DID WAS THE SHOPS AT CRYSTALS IN LAS VEGAS. IN MY CAREER, I'VE DONE $14 BILLION WORTH OF REAL ESTATE.

A LOT OF IT MIXED USE DEVELOPING 79 LOTS FLAT LOTS ON FLATLANDS.

ABOUT THE EASIEST THING YOU CAN DO IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS.

DEVELOPING MIXED USE IS ABSOLUTELY THE HARDEST THING YOU CAN DO.

SO JUST LONG AND SHORT.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIQUIDITY OF THIS DEVELOPER.

SEEN IT A LOT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO VERY FAR TO LOOK.

YOU CAN GOOGLE WADE PARK IN FRISCO, TEXAS.

OKAY. THERE HAVE BEEN REFERENCES TO THE PEARL IN SAN ANTONIO.

I KNOW THE OWNER; HE'S A BILLIONAIRE.

CULINARY INSTITUTE OF AMERICA, HE FUNDED ALL HIMSELF.

SO THERE'S A WE CAN TALK ABOUT A LOT OF IDEAS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S TAKEN 18 MONTHS TO DEVELOP 79 LOTS.

IT TOOK TESLA 22 MONTHS TO BUILD FOUR POINT 2,000,000 SQUARE FOOT HEADQUARTERS IN AUSTIN, TEXAS.

OKAY? YOU CAN GO TO SUNBELT.

SOMETHING CLOSER TO HOME.

GO TO SUNBELT REGIONAL HEADQUARTERS ON TEXAN DRIVE IN SOUTHLAKE.

I MEAN, IN GRAPEVINE, TEXAS.

THEY'RE BUILDING FOUR BUILDINGS.

UNBELIEVABLE TOPOGRAPHY.

NO TELLING HOW MUCH THEY'VE HAD TO SPEND ON CEMENT, AND IT'S DONE IN 12.

IT TOOK 18 MONTHS.

THAT STONE WALL THAT SUPPOSEDLY WE DON'T HAVE THE STONE FOR, I'M NOT BUYING IT AT ALL.

NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE CAN GET IT IN TWO WEEKS AND WE CAN FINISH IT.

THAT STONE WALL HASN'T BEEN WORKED ON IN FOUR MONTHS.

IT DOESN'T TAKE FOUR MONTHS TO GET ANY STONE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO MY REQUEST TO THIS COUNCIL IS TO MAKE THE DEVELOPER ACCOUNT FOR ARE THEY ON TIME ON THEIR DEBT? HOW MANY LOTS HAVE THEY SOLD AND HOW ARE THEY GOING TO FUND THIS FROM AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE? WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS.

I CAN TALK LIKE YOU DON'T WANT A HOLE IN THE GROUND, AND I'M GOING TO END WITH THIS: THIS IS WADE PARK IN FRISCO, TEXAS.

WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THIS.

LOCATED AT LEBANON ROAD IN DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY, 175 ACRE WADE PARK DEVELOPMENT WAS ENVISIONED AS THE CROWN JEWEL OF FRISCO'S VALUED $5 BILLION MALL ON THE LEFT, YOU COULD CATCH A MOVIE AT THE HIGH END IPIC THEATER AND ENJOY SOME AMERICANA AT THE RUSTIC AND TAKE CARE OF SHOPPING AT WHOLE FOODS.

YET INSTEAD OF THAT PICTURESQUE SCENERY, WADE PARK NOW RESEMBLES A CROSS BETWEEN AN ABANDONED DUMP AND A BOMBED OUT SHELL OF WILD WEST TOWN.

THERE ARE NO SHOPS, THERE ARE NO RESTAURANTS, NO HIGH END CONDOS, JUST A GRAVEL PIT, SMALL SMATTERING, HALF FINISHED BUILDINGS IN SUIT.

MY COMMENT IS THIS AND I KNOW I'M CLOSE IS IF YOU'RE NOT CAPITALIZED.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT ALL THESE PLANS.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT.

I DO CARE ABOUT THREE THINGS.

THE CITY SHOULD STAY IN CONTROL OF THE PARK.

YOU SHOULDN'T LET THEM GO.

A DETENTION POND DOWN.

YOU JUST HEARD LIKE THAT WAS A FOUR STORY POND THAT STAYED THERE FOR SIX YEARS, JUST CAME OUT OF BANKRUPTCY.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOUR MORE YEARS.

SO WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME, BUT YOU MAKE THE WRONG DECISION HERE.

YOU GOT ANOTHER TEN, RIGHT, SIR, IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

YEAH. I'M GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR SUBMIT A COMMENT CARD BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM SEVEN A.

COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR ANY OF THE APPLICANTS TEAM OR ANY DISCUSSION UP HERE? I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF MR. TERRELL. ALL RIGHT, MR. TERRELL, COME ON DOWN.

YES, MA'AM. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. MR. TERRELL, LAST SEPTEMBER, YOU WERE HERE WITH THE EXACT SAME REVISIONS.

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MY QUESTION IS SPECIFICALLY TO NUMBER FOUR.

A YEAR AGO IT WAS WORDED OPTIONAL DETENTION RETENTION POND WITH A FOUNTAIN IF NEEDED FOR STORM DRAINAGE.

IF BUILT, DEVELOPER WILL ASSUME COST AND MAINTENANCE OF THE FOUNTAIN.

THAT PARTICULAR POINT HAS BEEN REWARDED TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHICH IS UNDERGROUND.

DETENTION UNDER THE OFFICE BUILDING IS NEEDED FOR STORM DRAINAGE.

IF THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT ACROSS THE ADJOINING TEN ACRE PROPERTY CANNOT BE FINALIZED.

SO HOW DID THAT PROGRESS FROM DETENTION RETENTION TO? WE DEFINITELY WANT UNDERGROUND AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH FINALIZING THE TEN ACRE AGREEMENT.

WE WERE LOOKING AT LAST TIME.

LAST YEAR WAS A POND RIGHT HERE.

IF WE COULDN'T GET THE CROSS.

WHAT WE DID WAS THEN WE HAD ENGINEERING ACTUALLY DONE THAT, LOOKED AT WHAT THE SIZE WOULD BE IF WE WERE GOING TO DETAIN, BECAUSE THE DRAINAGE COMES AT A DIFFERENT ANGLE.

YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GET THE WATER OVER TO THIS AREA, AND IT WAS GOING TO TAKE UP THE VAST MAJORITY OF ALL THIS TREED SPACE.

SO WE'D HAVE TO TAKE OUT MOST OF THOSE TREES.

WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE TREES WERE A BIG VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY, AND WHILE IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EXPENSIVE TO PUT THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION HERE, WE CAN DO THAT TO SAVE ALL THESE TREES.

ONLY IN THE EVENT THAT WE CAN'T GET ACROSS THIS, WE BELIEVE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CROSS THAT AND WE WON'T HAVE TO DO UNDERGROUND DETENTION UNDER THAT GARAGE ANYWAY, BUT IN THE REMOTE UNLIKELIHOOD THAT THE WE CAN'T GET THE DRAINAGE ACROSS HERE, THEN WE WOULD PUT IT UNDER THIS BUILDING AND THEN STILL CONNECT DOWN.

SO IT WILL TAKE CARE OF THE STORMWATER DETENTION WITHOUT DESTROYING ALL THE TREES IN THE PARK.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT UNDERWATER DETENTION.

I'M SORRY. NOT UNDERWATER, I MEANT UNDER THE GARAGE.

YEAH, RIGHT. SO THERE'S A THEY CAN DO THAT, AND I CAN I'VE GOT THE ENGINEERS HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL, AND THEY COULD SPEAK PROBABLY MORE FLUENTLY ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS, BUT THEY HAVE SHOWN US THAT CAN WORK UNDERNEATH THAT BUILDING.

I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE ENGINEERS.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE THE ENGINEERS HERE? PEYTON? THAT'S PEYTON MCGEE WITH KIMLEY-HORN, AND IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN GO AHEAD INTO THE QUESTION.

YES, SIR. PEYTON MCGEE WITH KIMLEY-HORN 13455 NOEL DRIVE IN DALLAS, TEXAS.

SO I'LL SET IT UP BY SAYING I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, OF COURSE, BUT THE IDEA OF A DETENTION POND OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT, DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING, JUST MY BELLS AND WHISTLES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GO OFF.

CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT? AT THE SIMPLEST LEVEL, IT'S A STORMWATER DETENTION VAULT.

SO IT'S A CONCRETE STRUCTURE THAT WOULD LIVE UNDERNEATH THE PARKING GARAGE.

IT WOULD HOLD WATER, FILL UP TO THE REQUIRED VOLUME AND RELEASE IT BACK AT A LOWER RATE, THE RATE AT WHICH WE'RE CONSTRAINED TO WITH THE DOWNSTREAM PROPERTY.

HOW DEEP WOULD IT BE? THE VOLUME OF THE POND IS ROUGHLY FOUR AND A HALF ACRE FEET.

I UNDERSTAND THAT TRANSLATES.

SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A MAXIMUM OF 5 TO 6FT DEEP UNDERNEATH THE LOWEST LEVEL OF THE PARKING GARAGE, AND TAKE UP A GOOD AMOUNT OF THE BOTTOM OF THE PARKING GARAGE AS FAR AS.

YOU GO PARKING GARAGES UNDER? UNDERNEATH THE PARKING GARAGE 5 TO 6FT DEEP, ROUGHLY THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PARKING GARAGE ITSELF, AND IT'S I MEAN, WHEN YOU SAY CONCRETE VAULT THAT'S VAULTED ON ALL FOURS.

THAT'S VAULTED ACROSS THE TOP.

I MEAN, IS IT, IN ESSENCE, A BOX, A CONCRETE BOX THAT.

YES, AND THEN THERE'S A PARKING GARAGE FOUNDATION ON TOP OF THAT? YEAH, SO PORTIONS OF THE CONCRETE VAULT WOULD HAVE COLUMNS TO SUPPORT THE BUILDING AND PARKING GARAGE ABOVE IT, AND THE WATER WOULD BE IN AND AROUND THE COLUMNS.

WHAT ENSURES THAT.

I MEAN, THERE'S ENOUGH ISSUES WITH SOIL AND EARTH MOVING AND SHIFTING AROUND HERE TO BEGIN WITH.

SO IT FEELS LIKE WHEN YOU PUT WATER IN, YOU INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT.

SO WHAT ARE THE WHAT IS THE MITIGATION TO KEEP SOIL FROM SHIFTING AROUND THIS BOX? IT WOULD HAVE A FLOOR AS WELL, SO THE WATER WOULD NOT SEEP.

IT WOULD STAY IN THE VAULT AND DRAIN OUT TO THE CREEK DOWNSTREAM.

UNLESS THE UNLESS.

YEAH. I MEAN UNLESS IT'S FULL, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT, BUT IF IT WERE FULL THEN YOU HAVE FLOODING BEYOND.

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CORRECT? THERE WOULD BE WHAT WE CALL POSITIVE OVERFLOW OUTLETS AND THE SIDES OF THE GARAGE TO DIRECT THE WATER DOWNSTREAM TO A SAFE LOCATION. IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET INTO HABITABLE STRUCTURES.

OKAY I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU, AND SO MR. CHAIR, I MEAN THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION IS CERTAINLY THIS IS NOT AN I MEAN THIS IS NOT AN EXCITING ITEM ABOUT CARILLON PARC.

THIS IS ABOUT AS DULL AS THERE CAN BE.

MY QUESTIONS ARE JUST THE CONCERN.

THE THOUGHT OF BUILDING A MAJOR STRUCTURE ON TOP OF A MAJOR STRUCTURE ON TOP OF A VAULT FULL OF WATER.

A LOT OF CITIES ACTUALLY REQUIRE IT BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THE DEVELOPER, BUT IT KEEPS THE DETENTION POND FROM BEING OUT IN A PARK SPACE THAT IS JUST AN OPEN AREA TO DETAIN WATER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL IT IS ALLOWED TO FLOW OUT.

SO THIS ACTUALLY SAVES ALL OF THE BEAUTY OF THE PARK AT THE DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE, AND CERTAINLY WE WOULD HAVE IT ENGINEERED PROPERLY TO DO WHAT IT DOES IN THIS SAME KIND OF SITUATION ALL ACROSS THE US.

I MEAN, THERE ARE BUILDINGS WITH UNDERGROUND DETENTION IN DOWNTOWNS AND ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT ARE HANDLED DETENTION THIS WAY.

ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE WHAT THE ISSUE IS WITH THE WITH WHAT YOUR INITIAL THOUGHTS WERE ABOUT THE LAND ACROSS THE WAY THERE THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU MEAN HERE? YES. SO I'M HAPPY TO TALK WITH THAT.

SO THE PARTNERSHIP CARILLON CROWN IS CURRENTLY THE DECLARANT OF THE POA WHICH IS THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION WHICH NOT ONLY INCLUDES THIS SITE, IT INCLUDES THE TEN ACRES ADJACENT, AND IT INCLUDES THE AREA WHERE THE OLD CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL WAS AND ONE OF THE PONDS IN THAT BECAUSE WE ARE THE DECLARANT, WE HAVE THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO DEDICATE NEW EASEMENTS OR OR PUT NEW EASEMENTS IN PLACE, WHICH THE ATTORNEYS ARE DRAFTING ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS NOW AND IDENTIFY AN AREA THAT IS ALREADY THIS DRAINAGE JUST AND I DON'T HAVE A LARGER AERIAL BUT THIS DRAINAGE STARTS AGAIN RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S A SMALL GAP BETWEEN HERE THAT GETS US TO WHAT WAS ALWAYS PROPOSED TO BE THE DRAINAGE FROM THIS SITE, ACROSS THIS SITE, AND ACROSS THIS ALL THE WAY INTO A REGIONAL DETENTION POND THAT, WHILE I WAS MAYOR, IS WHY WE PUT THAT REGIONAL DETENTION POND AND REQUIRED THE DEVELOPER TO DO IT, IS SO THAT ALL THE WATER FROM ALL THIS CARILLON AND CARILLON PARC DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE IT TO THE PONDS.

THERE IS A VERY SMALL GAP OF WHICH WE ARE GOING TO, AS THE DECLARANT CHANGE THE FUNDAMENTAL CAUSE UNDER THE DECLARATION TO PUT AN EASEMENT THERE.

WE BELIEVE WE HAVE THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

IF THEY CHALLENGE, YOU CAN NEVER SAY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN COURT AND WHO IS THEY? I'M SORRY, THE ADJOINING OWNER, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM AND EVEN AGREED TO UPSIZE IT TO HANDLE ALL THEIR STORMWATER WHEN THEY ULTIMATELY BUILD THE TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE BUILT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THEY ARE HESITANT TO DO ANYTHING.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE MATTERS INTO OUR OWN HANDS FILE AND CHANGE THE FUNDAMENTAL DOCUMENTS WHICH WE HAVE THE POWER TO DO AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ATTORNEY TO GET THAT ACROSS ONLY IN THE VERY UNLIKELY EVENT THAT SOMEHOW WE'RE CHALLENGED LEGALLY AND THEY WIN, WHICH WE DON'T BELIEVE IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE AREA FOR THE DETENTION THAT ALTHOUGH IT COSTS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE, WE CAN MAKE THE WHOLE THING WORK, AND IF THIS ITEM, IF NUMBER FOUR WERE DENIED HYPOTHETICALLY, WHAT AND YOU COULDN'T MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITH.

WELL, THEN WE COULDN'T PROCEED BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T HAVE A DETENTION PLAN FOR THE WATER, AND THE CITY STAFF WOULD NOT APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN OPTION FOR HOW TO HANDLE THE DETENTION, AND IS IT STILL NOT AN OPTION TO GO BACK TO THE REQUESTED PERMANENT DETENTION RETENTION POND THAT YOU'RE CLAIMING TOO MANY TREES WOULD BE TAKEN OUT? IS THAT IS THAT YOU SAYING TOO MANY TREES? IS THAT DENNIS? IS THAT OUR TREE PLAN? WHERE ARE WE COMING UP WITH IF IT TAKES OUT SO MANY TREES? SO WE DID AN ENGINEERING DEAL THAT SHOWED THAT IF WE DID THIS ON SURFACE, IN ORDER TO GET THE FOUR ACRES OF PARK, WE HAVE TO TAKE UP ALMOST THIS ENTIRE PARK SPACE FOR JUST A DETENTION RETENTION AREA, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT ANY OF THE CITIZENS WANT.

SO WE WERE LEAVING THIS PARK.

EVEN THAT WOULD BE A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE.

I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, LIKE MAYBE A MILLION, $2 MILLION LESS EXPENSIVE TO DO THIS IN THIS PARK, BUT WE WOULD ALSO TAKE ALL OF THOSE TREES,

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MY ONE POINT IS THAT TYPICALLY IF CITIES COULD, THEY WOULD WANT US PUTTING THE DETENTION UNDER THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT TAKES IT OFF AS AN EYESORE OF JUST AN AREA TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE WATER AND THEN DISTRIBUTE IT THE WAY IT'S INTENDED.

SO THIS HIDES THE DETENTION AREA SIGNIFICANTLY, AND ONCE AGAIN, IT IS ONLY AN ALTERNATIVE USE AN OPTION SHOULD WE NOT BE ABLE TO GET THAT BUT IT'S STILL TO THE CITY'S INTEREST FOR US TO DO THAT.

IF WE CAN'T GET THE AREA ACROSS THE TEN ACRES IN THAT AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE TREES AND SO FORTH, THAT IS CURRENTLY DEDICATED PARK.

YES. HOW MANY ACRES OF THE 9.5 OR SO? SEE THIS AREA RIGHT HERE? MM HMM. IT WOULD TAKE UP ALMOST ALL OF THAT TREE SPACE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE CURRENT T EMPORARY DETENTION POND IS RIGHT KIND OF BEYOND THE TREES RIGHT HERE, AND THIS WAS WHERE THE BIG BUILDING WAS GOING TO BE.

WE WERE GOING TO PUT WE MOVED THE OTHER BUILDINGS SOUTH TO APPROXIMATELY HERE, AND THAT DETENTION POND WOULD TAKE UP APPROXIMATELY THAT TREED AREA ENTIRELY, BUT IF YOU WERE UNABLE TO GET THAT AGREEMENT WITH THE ADJOINING LANDOWNER AT THAT POINT, IF YOU WERE BACKED INTO A CORNER, I MEAN AT THAT POINT YOU COULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, I NEED NUMBER FOUR OR COUNCIL, WE DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS A VIABLE PROJECT UNLESS YOU ALLOW US IN THIS PARK SPACE TO DO THIS.

WE CAN'T PROCEED IF WE DON'T GET FOUR, AND THAT'S JUST FROM A CITY STANDPOINT.

IF WE DON'T SHOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE DETENTION AND WE DON'T HAVE THIS YET, WE CAN'T PROCEED WITH ANY KIND OF ENGINEERING.

FROM THIS POINT ON, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PURSUE THIS UNLESS WE TAKE DOWN AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL THE TREES.

HOW FAR AWAY ARE YOU FROM A DECISION WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER? I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO FILE THOSE DOCUMENTS.

THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY GOING TO OPPOSE THOSE AND FILE SOME KIND OF A LAWSUIT? SO WE CAN'T GUARANTEE A TIMING ON THAT.

THAT COULD END UP BEING IN LITIGATION I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE, BUT I CAN'T BASE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AND MOVE FORWARD ON SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE ADJOINING OWNER IS GOING TO DO.

OKAY, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MR. TERRELL OR A QUESTION FOR DENNIS, BUT I GUESS I'M AT THIS POINT THOROUGHLY CONFUSED BECAUSE HE WAS HERE A YEAR AGO ASKING FOR THESE THESE ZONING CHANGES, INCLUDING DETENTION, RETENTION BUT AT THAT TIME, YOU ALSO SAID THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR FIVE LOTS TO BE RELEASED BECAUSE YOU WERE ONLY THREE MONTHS FROM BREAKING GROUND, AND THAT WAS THAT WAS WHAT YOU SAID, BREAKING GROUND.

REMEMBER, WE HAD THE DETENTION FOR WE HAD EVERYTHING SOLVED FOR WHAT WAS GOING TO BE PLATTED, INCLUDING ALL OF THE STORMWATER.

THIS IS FOR THE STORMWATER THAT'S GOING TO BE CREATED FROM THE COMMERCIAL.

THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.

SO I REMEMBER THERE WAS A PLACEHOLDER FOR THIS IN 2021, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.

THIS POTENTIAL DETENTION RETENTION POND.

CORRECT. I GUESS FOR YOU, DENNIS, I DON'T RECALL THAT PLACEHOLDER BEING FOUR ACRES, AND WE DIDN'T THINK SO.

IT WASN'T UNTIL AFTER WE HAD WE WERE DENIED AND WE WENT BACK AND DID MORE DETAILED ENGINEERING, AND THE ENGINEERING SAID IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP ALMOST ALL THAT PARK SPACE, AND THAT'S BETWEEN LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR.

THAT'S CORRECT. BECAUSE IN 21 IT WAS NOT INDICATED TO BE FOUR ACRES, 2021.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

SO PERHAPS DENNIS OR DIRECTOR COHEN, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU GUYS ON THE SPOT AT ALL, BUT ARE EITHER OF YOU ABLE TO JUST SPEAK TO THIS CONCEPT AGAIN BECAUSE OF OUR IGNORANCE OF UNDERSTANDING UNDERGROUND DETENTION AND SO FORTH? IS THIS A FAIRLY COMMON TYPE OF DETENTION? IS IT SOMETHING THAT IN YOUR EXPERT OPINION, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE AN ENGINEER SIGNING OFF ON THIS, STAMPING IT, THAT THIS IS NOT AN UNREASONABLE TYPE OF OPTION? YES, SIR, IT IS.

IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE AND IT DOES REQUIRE EXTENSIVE LEVEL OF ENGINEERING.

WE HAVE STORM BOXES UNDERNEATH WHITE CHAPEL, 1938 THAT CAPTURE THE WATER AND TAKE THEM AWAY AS WELL, BUT THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO PREPARE THE SITE FOR THAT, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT STABILIZATION, THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT, BUT THEY HAVE TO COME UP WITH DIFFERENT ENGINEERING METHODS OR MEANS TO POSSIBLY FIND A HARD SURFACE BEDROCK, GRANITE OR SOMETHING TO WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE STRUCTURE ABOVE THE WATER AREA.

SO YOU'RE NOT RESTING RIGHT ON IT.

SO THERE'S WAYS TO DO IT, BUT IT IS VERY EXTENSIVE AND IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE.

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ANYTHING ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON OR ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG COUNCIL? I'LL SAY THIS, YOU KNOW MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON AND I GOING BACK TO OUR DAYS ON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, I THINK WE'VE SEEN THIS MANY TIMES AND GONE THROUGH DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF IT, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE APPROVED MULTIPLE VARIATIONS AND APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE COME OUR WAY, AND I'M HAPPY TO DO SO.

WE OUR GOAL, I THINK, WITHOUT SPEAKING FOR RANDY, BUT I THINK THE GOAL OF THE COUNCIL WAS TO GET THIS THING BUILT TO COMPLETION.

IN MY MIND, TO GET THE NEIGHBORS, THE RESIDENTS, WHAT THEY BARGAINED FOR WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOMES, WHETHER IT WAS ONE YEAR AGO OR TEN YEARS AGO, AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, AND THAT'S NOT THE FAULT OF OF THIS GROUP THAT GOES BACK TO THE HINES GROUP AND WHAT HAPPENED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

SO I'M STILL COMMITTED TO SEEING THIS THING GET BUILT.

THE COMMERCIAL PART, GETTING THE RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL THAT THE RESIDENTS WANTED AND WHAT THEY WERE PROMISED.

I WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS, WHEN I WATCHED THE P AND Z MEETING FROM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

I WAS AND I RAISED THE ISSUE EARLY.

AT THE START OF THIS HEARING TODAY WAS P&Z APPROVED TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX.

THAT WAS KIND OF MY STARTING POINT.

I COULD SEE, I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF MAYBE TWEAKING NUMBER FIVE TO KEEP THAT STREET PUBLIC, BUT DOING SOME SORT OF LICENSING AGREEMENT OR WHATEVER THE LEGAL TERMINOLOGY MAY BE, TO ALLOW THE VALET PARKING AND THE VALET DRIVE, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

SO WHATEVER VARIATION WE NEED TO DO ON THAT, BUT I STILL HAVE FROM A YEAR AGO THE PROBLEMS WITH NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER SEVEN.

YOU KNOW, THE CITY OVER THE LAST AT LEAST TEN YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED HAS BEEN IN THE LAND ACQUISITION MODE AND ADDING TO THE LAND BANK AND SO DOING SOMETHING THAT KIND OF REVERSES THAT.

IT GIVES ME A LOT OF HEARTBURN.

I'M NOT SURETHAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR THE CITY.

I'D HAVE A HARD TIME EXPLAINING IT BY JUST SAYING, HEY, WE DON'T HAVE TO CUT THE GRASS ANYMORE.

I MEAN THAT TO GIVE UP THAT LAND.

IT DOESN'T MAKE AS A FIDUCIARY.

IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.

I'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME OTHER REASON OR A BETTER REASON TO DO THAT.

THE UNIT SIZES ON THE CONDOS.

I KNOW SOMEONE AT P&Z BROUGHT UP.

WELL, FROM THE OUTSIDE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

YOU CAN'T TELL WHAT THE SIZES ARE.

OKAY, SO WHAT ARE WE OKAY, THEN WITH 500 SQUARE FOOT UNITS IN THERE, BECAUSE NO ONE ON THE OUTSIDE IS GOING TO NOTICE OR IT'S NOT GOING TO MATTER.

I MEAN, I DON'T BUY THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME GETTING THIS TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE WANTED AND THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, AND WE APPROVED THEM.

I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR THREE YEARS AND WE'RE NOT HOLDING IT BACK FROM BEING BUILT AS IS.

I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED AND SOME OF THEM I'M FINE WITH, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, APPROVING ONE THROUGH SEVEN.

YEAH, ONE AND SEVEN.

I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT THE MAYOR JUST SAID, ESPECIALLY WHERE PARKS ARE CONCERNED.

I ALSO, IN ADDITION TO NOT WANTING TO GIVE UP THE LAND, I ALSO DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SAY IN HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE CONTROLLED, JUST LIKE WE DO FOR EVERY OTHER PARK IN OUR CITY.

SO I HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME WITH THE IDEA THAT WE COULD HAVE A PARK THAT WE DON'T CONTROL, AND AFTER SITTING AS A PARKS BOARD CHAIR FOR SIX YEARS AND BEING ON THE PARKS BOARD SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE THAT, I'M PRETTY HARD AND FAST ON THAT PERSONALLY.

I AGREE WITH WHAT THE MAYOR JUST SAID ABOUT THE REVISIONS TO NUMBER SEVEN.

I LIKE THEM AS THEY ARE, AND JUST A GENERAL OVERALL COMMENT, ALTHOUGH I HAVEN'T BEEN ON COUNCIL WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED, I FOLLOWED IT.

I WATCHED THE P AND Z MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT, AND WHEN THIS WHOLE PROJECT WAS AGREED UPON, I REMEMBER THE ELATION FROM THE CARILLON PEOPLE, FROM THE DEVELOPER, FROM MR. TERRELL, ABOUT IT BEING APPROVED, AND THAT WAS A PROCESS WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE IN ORDER TO GET TO WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE TO APPROVE IT, AND NOW I HAVE A HARD TIME UNRAVELING BITS AND PIECES OF THAT WHEN WE'RE NOT UNRAVELING ALL OF IT.

SO I AM JUST HAVING A HARD TIME WITH CHANGES.

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I TOO HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THE LAND THE USE OF THE PARK SPACE.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEVELOPER.

I UNDERSTAND THOSE CONCERNS, AND IT FEELS LIKE THAT MAYBE GOING FORWARD SOMEHOW.

HOWEVER THIS GOES TONIGHT, THERE'S A WAY TO COME TO SOME AGREEMENTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS OR NOT.

THAT'S FOR YOU EXPERTS TO DISCERN, BUT YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO USE THE SPACE, YOU WANT TO USE IT AS A DEVELOPER, BUT FOR THE CITY, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR PARKS, AND I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL.

ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE WHO RUNS A PRETTY LARGE EVENT, I THINK THE CITY IS WELL EQUIPPED TO AT LEAST IF NOT RUN 200 EVENTS, OBVIOUSLY, BUT AT LEAST TO BE IN CHARGE OF MANAGING WHAT THOSE EVENTS CAN AND CAN'T LOOK LIKE, CAN AND CAN'T HAVE, ETC.. ALCOHOL? NO ALCOHOL? ALL THOSE THINGS.

I'VE WATCHED THE CITY MANAGE OUR CURRENT EVENTS FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, AND I THINK THEY DO A FABULOUS JOB, SO I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT ONE AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ISSUES SURROUNDING IT.

I DO APPRECIATE THE CHANGE AND THE OPENING UP OF MORE PARK SPACE, BUT I AM NOT FOR TURNING THIS INTO OPEN SPACE.

NUMBER TWO, I'M GENERALLY FINE WITH.

OBVIOUSLY, WHATEVER YOU PUT THERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING BACK FOR APPROVAL.

I BELIEVE AS A SITE PLAN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, SO THAT'S FINE.

THREE, OF COURSE, DOESN'T NEED APPROVAL.

I'M FINE WITH FOUR, AND IF WE CAN PUT SOMETHING IN THE MOTION ON NUMBER FIVE ABOUT THE LICENSING AGREEMENT, I'M FINE WITH THAT, AND OBVIOUSLY SIX, YOU'VE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK.

SEVEN I THINK IT'S AGAIN SPEAKING TO WHAT WE WENT THROUGH, COMING UP WITH ALL OF THIS IN TERMS OF AN AGREEMENT THREE YEARS AGO.

I JUST DON'T SEE THAT YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BUT YOU KNOW IT.

I DON'T SEE THE REASON OR A NEED TO CHANGE THIS FROM WHAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED.

SO I GUESS I'M BASICALLY THE SAME ON 1 AND 7 AS, AS WHAT THE MAYOR INDICATED, AND I'M FINE WITH TWO THROUGH SIX WITH THE NOTATIONS ON FIVE.

YEAH. I STAND IN THE EXACT SAME PLACE AS COUNCIL MEMBER TALLEY.

I CANNOT GET BEHIND HAVING DONE THIS NOW FOR A FEW YEARS AND APPROVING IT BACK IN 2021 AND SEEING IT AGAIN A YEAR AGO JUST NOW FIGURING OUT THAT WE WANT TO TAKE BACK PARK SPACE AND CALL IT OPEN SPACE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE CONTROL THAT . NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO FLY WITH ME.

I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN OUR CITY STAFF TO BE ABLE TO HELP MANAGE AND COME TO SOME AGREEMENTS WITH THE DEVELOPER ON MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL ARTISTIC WATER DISPLAYS AND THAT WE ALLOW THAT, BUT TO GIVE FREE REIN AND TO CHANGE THE AGREEMENT. IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE'RE GOING BACK, AND I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.

I AM FINE WITH NUMBER TWO.

I'M THREE NEEDS NO APPROVAL.

FOUR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING US THE CLARITY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT A LITTLE BIT.

I ALSO WAS GOING, WHAT THE HECK IS AN UNDERGROUND DETENTION FACILITY? SO WE ALL LEARNED SOMETHING TONIGHT, AND THEN NUMBER FIVE AND I THINK THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALREADY, BUT I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT JUST CHANGED OVER TO A PRIVATE DRIVE. I HAVE VISIONS OF WHAT HAPPENED BEHIND KIRBY'S AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON.

IN FACT, I WORKED WITH THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER ON GETTING THAT FIXED, AND SHE INDICATED AT THE TIME THAT THEY HAD TRIED FOR YEARS TO MAKE REPAIRS TO THAT STREET AND THE OWNERS WOULD NOT, AND WE OFFERED TO PAY FOR IT AS A CITY, AND THE OWNER WOULD NOT ALLOW US ACCESS TO MAKE THE REPAIRS, AND SO I KEPT WORKING WITH ANYBODY THAT GOES TO KIRBY'S KNOWS TEDDY, RIGHT? TEDDY AND MAX AND ASSURING THEM THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IT, AND I WAS I WAS PUSHING AND PUSHING TO MAKE THOSE REPAIRS.

SO THOSE REPAIRS ARE DONE, BUT IT WAS A FIGHT AND ONE THAT I SPEARHEADED.

SO I WHILE I DEFINITELY WANT VALET PARKING AND I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO STRUCTURE IT DIFFERENTLY FOR SURE, AND THEN OF COURSE, NUMBER SIX IS A NO BRAINER. I KIND OF FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE ON NUMBER SIX, BUT OF COURSE, IF TXDOT WILL DO ANOTHER ACCESS EASEMENT THERE, THAT'S GREAT.

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NUMBER SEVEN I'M STANDING FIRM.

HOW I SAID A YEAR AGO, I HAVE A PROBLEM GOING DOWN TO 1600 SQUARE FEET THAT I UNDERSTAND IT'S AN AVERAGE, I GET IT, BUT I'M GOING TO STAND AGAINST CHANGING NUMBER SEVEN AS WELL.

ANYTHING FURTHER, COUNCIL? YES, MAYOR. SO FIRST OF ALL, HATS OFF TO THE P AND Z.

I THINK THEY DID A NICE JOB WORKING THROUGH THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE IT IS A COMPLICATED.

YEAH, TWO THROUGH SIX.

I'M GOOD WITH ON NUMBER TWO.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE A BRIEF CONVERSATION WHEN YOU'RE READY, MAYOR, ABOUT THE WORDING ON THOSE POTENTIAL OPTIONS.

YOU KNOW, THE FLEXIBILITY THERE.

SO WE'RE REAL CLEAR ON WHAT THOSE ARE.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE CONCERN ABOUT, AND ON NUMBER FIVE, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, I'LL PUT LANGUAGE IN WHAT I PLAN TO BE A MOTION.

I'LL PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT THAT MAINTAINING AS A PUBLIC ROAD.

OR ACTUALLY, I WON'T BE MOVING FOR APPROVAL OF FIVE.

I'LL JUST BE PROVIDING DIRECTION TO WORK WITH STAFF ON A ON A LICENSING AGREEMENT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE AS A FUNCTIONING VALET AREA. CAN WE ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT NUMBER TWO WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WORDING? I MADE A NOTE WHEN I REWATCHED THE COUNCIL MEETING FROM A YEAR AGO.

I MADE A NOTE THAT I WROTE.

I SAID IT WAS TOO BIG OF A FOOTPRINT AND ACTUALLY WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THAT THIS EVENING AT ALL.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE? ON NUMBER TWO? I SEEM TO REMEMBER 25,000, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S CORRECT.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW? MR. TERRELL, IF YOU HAVE THE NUMBER OR GUESSTIMATE AND THAT'S ON BUILDING TWO, OR WHAT'S MARKED AS BUILDING TWO BETWEEN 25 AND 26,000FT², AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, TOO, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE BEFORE YOU KIND OF GO TO VOTE.

I THINK FAROUQ WOULD LOVE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL.

SURE, AND ALSO IF YOU'LL HANG ON.

FAROOQ. IF YOU'LL HANG ON.

I WANT TO FINISH MY COMMENTS.

SURE, ABSOLUTELY. COUNCIL MEMBER LEPP JUMPED IN ON ME THERE.

SHE'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AS IT RELATES THOUGH TO NUMBER ONE, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT I SAID EARLIER AND THAT IS ALONG WITH I'VE HEARD EVERYBODY SAY IS, YEAH, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE GIVING BACKS SPACE AND ACREAGE, AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THE THIS COUNCIL AND COUNCILS BACK AS FAR AS WE CAN THINK ABOUT HOW THEY'VE WORKED WITH TOWN SQUARE AND THE TYPES OF EVENTS THAT WE'VE PUT ON.

IN FACT, MR. TERRELL SAT UP HERE AS A MAYOR AND APPROVED THOSE EVENTS AS WELL.

I KNOW HE'S VERY PROUD OF THE TYPES OF EVENTS THAT WE'VE PUT ON HERE.

I'M NOT SO SURE THERE'LL BE 200 UNIQUE EVENTS.

PERHAPS THERE'LL BE 200 EVENTS, BUT I COULD EASILY SEE THAT BEING REPETITION TYPE EVENTS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

IT'S THE EXACT SAME EVENT OVER AND OVER, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO BE CREATIVE ABOUT THAT AND THE DEVELOPER TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH STAFF AND PERHAPS EVEN COME TO COUNCIL WITH A FULL APPLICATION PACKAGE.

YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT SOMETHING WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE YEAR.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, IN COMMON? LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT TO BE PARTNERS IN THAT, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO WE DON'T WANT TO LIMIT CREATIVE IDEAS AND SO FORTH, AND THEN ON NUMBER SEVEN, YEAH, I'M ALIGNED WITH THE REST THAT I'VE HEARD UP HERE.

IT'S BEEN APPROVED.

THERE WAS A REASON WE APPROVED THAT.

IT MADE SENSE, AND I'M COMFORTABLE STICKING WITH WITH WHERE WE'RE AT.

SO THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON.

I THINK, COUNCIL MEMBER SHARLI, YOU WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING? GO AHEAD. YEAH.

ON NUMBER TWO, I AM NOT COMFORTABLE HAVING A PRIVATE CLUB IN IN THAT MOTION.

IF ONE IS MADE THAT IS I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT NOT HAVING ANY DIRECTION ON THAT, AND ALSO, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE AS A COUNCIL NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS THIS SOUTHLAKE, THE TOWN SQUARE HAS HAD 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT MANAGERS OF THE AREA.

WE ARE MAKING A DECISION NOT JUST FOR THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR, THE NEXT 5 OR 10 YEARS, IT COULD BE 20 OR 25 YEARS AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAKING A DECISION THAT WILL WITHSTAND TIME, REGARDLESS OF WHO THE OWNERS ARE.

SO I SOME OF MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS INVOLVED IN THAT AS I'M MAKING MY DECISION.

THANK YOU, AND NOW MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, BEFORE WE HAVE APPLICANT COME BACK UP FOR SOME SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, YOU HAD A QUESTION OR WANTED TO DISCUSS REVISION NUMBER TWO IN THE WORDING IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THAT.

I THINK THAT WAS. YEAH.

BASICALLY WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHARLI WAS SAYING WAS.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER SHARLI IS ASKING THAT PRIVATE CLUB BE EXCLUDED, BUT THE WORDING AS IT RELATES TO RETAIL, RESTAURANT, OFFICE, YOU KNOW, OR PUBLIC

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I'M ACTUALLY NOT OPPOSED TO A PRIVATE CLUB, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MR. TERRELL EXPAND UPON THAT.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION.

WHAT TYPE OF PRIVATE CLUB ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? BOURBON? CIGARS? WINE? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THIS IS AND JUST JUST SO COUNCIL IS AWARE, PRIVATE CLUB IS ALREADY APPROVED THROUGHOUT THE SITE ON THE ORIGINAL ZONING, BUT THE PRIVATE CLUB IS MORE LIKE THE PARK HOUSE THAT'S IN HIGHLAND PARK VILLAGE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

IT'S KIND OF HIGH END EXCLUSIVE CLUB WITH SOCIAL ACTIVITIES.

THERE'S CERTAINLY NO SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES IN HERE.

IT IS A VERY HIGH END MEMBERSHIP TYPE CLUB THAT BRINGS IN NOTORIETY AND IS GOING TO BE A VERY NICE ADDITION TO THAT, AND I THINK WE PRESENTED THAT PREVIOUSLY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE INTENDING BY PRIVATE CLUB.

ALL RIGHT, AND JUST, JUST, YOU KNOW, SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE ON THE OPEN SPACE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE DID NOT DRAW THE LINE IN THE SAND IN THE OPEN SPACE.

WE'RE WILLING TO DO THE PARK, AND I DO.

I DID HEAR EVERYONE'S COMMENTS REGARDING THE CONTROL OR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE ACTIVITIES IN THERE.

I WILL SAY THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING SINCE THE BEGINNING THE DEVELOPER WAS RELYING ON AS AN INCOME STREAM TO HELP SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARK, AND WE HAVE ALWAYS ENVISIONED THAT WE WOULD NEVER HAVE DONE A $5 MILLION WATER FOUNTAIN THAT WE'RE DONATING TO THE CITY TO COORDINATE THOSE EVENTS AND TIMING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

$5 MILLION INVESTMENT IS FOR A REVENUE GENERATION.

ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE, AND THAT WOULD BE A VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FAROUQ WILL SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT MOMENTARILY. WE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT REMAINING PARK.

IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE BACK LAND, IT'S THAT WE'RE TRYING TO COORDINATE AND BE THE COORDINATORS OF THOSE EFFORTS THROUGH SOME TYPE OF AN AGREEMENT EASEMENT.

WE CAN LEAVE IT AS PARKLAND, SO LONG AS WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MANAGE THE OPERATIONS OF THAT SPACE, AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE POSITION AND THE PRESENTATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

I THINK THE OTHER STUFF, THE NUMBER SEVEN, THE 2300, I THINK I RECALL FROM YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AND IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, WELL, YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN 1600, BUT THERE MIGHT BE A 2000 TO GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY.

WE PUT THE 1600 BECAUSE WE HADN'T HAD THAT DISCUSSION.

IT WAS IT WAS KIND OF CUT SHORT LAST YEAR, AND SO WE'RE STILL INTERESTED.

WE UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT A DEAL KILLER IF YOU WANT TO DO IT.

WE THINK THAT IT MAKES IT MORE MARKETABLE.

WE THINK IT MAKES IT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO HAVE SOME VARIANCE AND ALLOWING THE 2300 SQUARE FOOT.

SO WE WOULD JUST ASK AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND WE HEARD YOUR POSITIONS ON THAT.

WE'RE NOT SET ON 1600, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE IF YOU HAD SOME LEEWAY.

THOSE TWO THINGS, EVERYTHING ELSE IS, YOU KNOW, BEEN TALKED ABOUT AND I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT, AND ONCE AGAIN, THE OPEN SPACE, WE'RE NOT SAYING HAS TO BE OPEN SPACE.

WE CAN SAY IT'S PUBLIC PARK, WE CAN DEDICATE IT AS PARK SO LONG AS WE'VE GOT AN AGREEMENT TO MANAGE THE OPERATIONS IN THAT PARK.

SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. TERRELL BEFORE WE HAVE FAROUQ COME UP? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY, NOT FOR YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. FOR THE ATTORNEY OR WHOEVER.

I DON'T KNOW WHO.

MR. TERRELL JUST SAID THAT THIS IS ALREADY APPROVED FOR A PRIVATE CLUB.

IS THAT ACCURATE? OR IF WE VOTE ON IT, DO WE HAVE TO INCLUDE PRIVATE CLUB? I'LL HAVE TO DEFER TO STAFF ON WHETHER IT'S CURRENTLY.

OH DENNIS DO YOU KNOW? IT IS CURRENTLY LISTED AS A PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE OVERARCHING CARILLON AREA.

OKAY. SO IF WE THEN I GUESS MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION, THEN, IF IT IS IN THE OVERARCHING, COULD WE EXCLUDE IT FROM THIS MOTION ? THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. FAROUQ IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME DOWN.

I FEEL THE MOST HEARTBURN IS WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE.

SO CAN YOU PUT THAT SLIDE BACK WHERE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC PARK AND OPEN SPACE THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN YELLOW.

THAT ONE? YEAH.

NO. ONE MORE.

THAT'S A BETTER ONE.

YEAH. THIS ONE. THIS ONE.

SO IN THIS ONE, THE FOUR ACRE, 4.5 ACRE PORTION.

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THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT THREE ACRE, AND MY CONCERN IS IT IS NOT LIKE ANY OTHER GREEN SPACE WHERE WE DON'T CARE WHAT CITY DOES OR NOT DOES.

THE PROBLEM IS NOT $5 MILLION COST OF THIS FEATURE.

THE PROBLEM IS MAINTAINING THAT FEATURE AND IT WILL COST AT SOME POINT EASILY A MILLION OR SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO MAINTAIN WITH INFLATION AND WITH ALL US NOT HAVING A CONTROL OR SAY OR MONETIZING IT AND MAKING MONEY OUT OF IT CREATES A TROUBLE ON OUR PART THAT WHAT WE GIVE TO CITY, WE HAVE TO PERPETUALLY MAINTAIN IT AT OUR COST AND THAT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO FEEL AND WALK IN MY SHOES THAT LIKE THIS LAND FOUR ACRES, 4.5 ACRES WE GIVE TO CITY.

I DON'T HAVE TO SPEND A DOLLAR ON IT.

IT'S A PUBLIC PARK, I ENJOY IT, EVERYBODY ENJOYS IT, AND USE WILL NOT CHANGE.

ENJOYMENT WILL NOT CHANGE, BUT I CANNOT PAY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR AND GO EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY THAT WE WILL PAY FOR IT.

I WILL HAVE ZERO CONTROL OVER IT.

SO THAT IS WHERE IT COULD BE.

PARK. AS LONG AS WE HAVE CERTAIN AGREEMENTS IN PLACE WHERE WE CAN CONTROL OR COORDINATE OR WORK WITH CITY IN A MANNER WHERE WE CAN MONETIZE IT.

THAT'S THE WHOLE ONLY CONCERN, BUT FAROUQ, I CAN SAY THE SAME THING BACK TO YOU, WHICH IS I CAN'T GO TO THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTHLAKE AND TELL THEM THAT WE HAVE A CITY PARK THAT I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, WE ARE PAYING FOR ALL 8 OR 9 ACRES OF IT.

THIS LAND WE BOUGHT, THIS LAND.

WE ARE PAYING INTEREST ON IT TODAY AND WE ARE DEDICATING IT AND USE.

EVERYBODY HAS THE ENJOYMENT, USING EVERYTHING.

SO THE QUESTION IS ABOUT US BEING ABLE TO MANAGE IT EFFECTIVELY BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING EVERY YEAR FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF IT.

THAT'S WHERE WE NEED SOME FORM OF ACCOMMODATION OR CONSIDERATION SO THAT WE CAN GO, BECAUSE THIS IS THE CENTRAL FEATURE OF THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT AND WE CAN GO AND DEVELOP IT.

IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I MEAN YOU CITY HAS A CONTROL OVER MY HOUSE IN SOUTHLAKE.

I CANNOT DO CERTAIN THING EVEN THERE.

CREATE A NOISE. CITY HAS ALL THE ORDINANCES IN PLACE TO CONTROL EVEN A PRIVATE RESIDENCE.

SO CITY WILL HAVE CONTROL.

WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT YOU KNOW WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE WANT.

SO ALL THE USES WILL BE DEFINED AND EVERYTHING, AND WE CAN HAVE CERTAIN FORM OF AGREEMENT JOINTLY WHERE WE HAVE CONTROL AND CITY HAS LIKE OVERSIGHT OVER IT.

SO THAT'S MY REQUEST BECAUSE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN NOT SUCH A BIG DEAL, BUT ITEM NUMBER ONE, WE WANT CERTAIN UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE ARE REGULARLY PAYING FOR IT IN PERPETUITY.

IT'S NOT LIKE I PAY FOR ONE YEAR AND AFTER THAT CITY PAYS FOR IT.

WE ARE PAYING FOR IT.

SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO A CERTAIN WAY TO RECOUP OUR EXPENSES AND MAINTAIN IT BETTER AND NOT LOSE MONEY ON IT.

YEAH. I MEAN, YOUR COMMENTS ARE NOT LOST ON ME, UNDERSTAND? I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I THINK I'VE MENTIONED THAT I WOULD BE OPEN TO CONSIDERATION OF CREATIVE WAYS TO WORK BETWEEN STAFF COUNCIL AND THE DEVELOPMENT ON HOW DO WE DO THIS, HOW DO WE DO THIS, BUT FOR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT, THOUGH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS THERE'S JUST NOT A COMFORT TO JUST GO, OKAY, WE'LL JUST WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE THAT AGREEMENT AND WE'LL HOPE TO FIX IT LATER BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO PROBLEM AS A COUNCIL IS WHERE WE MISS THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND THEN WE LOOK BACK AND GO, YOU KNOW, ON SEPTEMBER 17TH OF 2024, WE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAINTAIN THE CONTROL OF WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR PARKS WHILE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO ENSURE THAT IT'S A FAIR AND REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION TO THEM BECAUSE OF THE WONDERFUL AMENITY YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN THERE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I CAN'T JUST APPROVE THAT THOUGH CARTE BLANCHE.

LET ME ASK A QUESTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON, IF YOU KNOW, I THINK ACCORDING TO MY CONVERSATIONS WITH FAROUQ, IF WE CAN'T MONETIZE, AS HAS ALWAYS BEEN, THE PLAN, THE FUNCTIONS AND ACTIVITY IN THE PARK, THAT IS A HUGE PORTION OF THE REVENUE STREAM THAT WOULD NOT MAKE THIS FINANCIALLY VIABLE.

THE ARE YOU WILLING TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS.

WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU OPEN SPACE.

WE WANT TO KEEP IT AS PARK, AND BY THE NEXT READING WE NEED TO COME UP WITH WORKING WITH CITY STAFF, SOME KIND OF BASIC BULLET POINTS OF HOW WE CAN STILL MONETIZE AND MANAGE THAT PORTION OF WHAT WOULD BECOME PARK, BECAUSE AS I SAID EARLIER IN THE OPTIONS, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT BEING PARK AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PULL IT BACK.

WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MONETIZE THIS AS WE ALWAYS INTENDED.

SO IF WE PUT IT BACK AS PARK AND IN YOUR MOTION, WE SIMPLY SAY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GRANT IT AS PUBLIC SPACE, OPEN SPACE, BUT BY THE NEXT

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SO CERTAINLY I'LL DEFER TO THE MAYOR, OUR CITY MANAGER, TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

CERTAINLY I'M OPEN TO CREATIVE WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS.

I WILL MAKE THE COMMENT THOUGH, AND I DON'T HAVE THE GREATEST MEMORY ALL THE TIME, BUT I DON'T RECALL THE MONETIZING PORTION BEING THIS DEPTH OF CONVERSATION LAST GO ROUND. I THINK I WOULD REMEMBER THAT.

I WOULD REMEMBER THAT, HEY, WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR, EVERYBODY, THAT WE CLEARLY NEED TO HAVE THIS AS A REVENUE GENERATOR TO ENSURE THAT THIS $5 MILLION AMENITY OR WHATEVER IS MAKING SENSE, AND WE CAN MAINTAIN IT.

I DON'T RECALL THAT, AND TYPICALLY THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THEIR FINANCIALS, BUT THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL, BUT IT'S NOT THE PURVIEW.

THE CITY DOESN'T MAKE DECISIONS AS IS ONE OF THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, THE FINANCIAL VIABILITY OF THE PARTNERS HERE AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN PROCEED IS NOT FOR THE CITY, AND IT'S NOT FOR A CITIZEN TO MAKE.

THEY HAD NO IDEA, BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S EITHER THAT YOUR POSITION, YOUR BUSINESS MODEL, SOMETHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THAT TIME, OR YOU KNEW AT THE TIME THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND READDRESS THIS WITH US.

NO, WE ALWAYS KNEW. IT HAD TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER, THOUGH.

I THINK IF YOU LOOK BACK AT ALL THE PRESENTATIONS IN THE PAST, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF IT, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT ASSUMING THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE PROGRAMMING THE FOUNTAIN FOR DIFFERENT TIMING.

WE WERE GOING TO BE PROGRAMMING.

WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THAT, BUT IT WAS NEVER ABOUT MONETIZING.

THOSE ARE NOT FREE EVENTS.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT WAS.

THEY COST MONEY TO PUT ON, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT GENERATING REVENUE.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE CONVERSATION.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS IS KIND OF NEW TO ME.

IT IS ABOUT GENERATING REVENUE.

I'M CLEAR ON THAT NOW. ALWAYS BEEN THE DEVELOPER'S THOUGHT AND INTENT THAT WOULD BE FUNCTIONING AS A REVENUE GENERATOR, AND THAT'S WHY THE INVESTMENT IN THE 5 MILLION.

I GET IT. I DO GET IT, AND I KNOW YOU I'M 100% CERTAIN THAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, TOO, THE SENSITIVITY AROUND PARKS.

CERTAINLY, AND THE PRIDE WE HAVE AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN OUR PARKS AND ENSURING THAT IS MAINTAINED.

RIGHT. YEAH, AND, MR. TAYLOR, I THINK IT FEELS TO ME PERSONALLY THAT THIS WAS PART OF THE OVERALL PLAN.

RIGHT. IT WENT FROM WE'RE GOING TO DEDICATE 12 ACRES OF PARK TO THE CITY, TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BETWEEN 8 AND 9 ACRES TO THE CITY, AND YOU'RE GOING.

THE WORD WAS DEDICATED TO THE CITY.

SO I THINK FROM MY POSITION I'M FEELING LIKE, WELL, IT WAS PARKLAND, AND NOW WE'RE WANTING TO TAKE IT BACK AND MAKE SURE IT'S MONETIZED AND WE WANT TO MAINTAIN CONTROL.

COUNCIL MEMBER, I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENT.

I THINK TOO YOU WEREN'T ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME, BUT THE 12 ACRES WAS BECAUSE THE CITY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO PUT A LIBRARY IN HERE, AND SO WE'VE ALL HAD CHANGES IN TERMS OF WHAT--WASN'T THAT IN 2021? WHAT'S THAT? WASN'T THAT IN 2021? YES, I WAS ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME, SIR.

NO NO, NO, THE PRIOR CONVERSATIONS TO 21 WAS WE WERE ABSOLUTELY DOING THE LIBRARY.

IT WAS IN 21 THAT IT CHANGED TO NO LIBRARY.

RIGHT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IT FEELS TO ME PERSONALLY THAT THIS WAS PART OF THE DEAL.

UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS GIVEN AND THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING.

RIGHT. SO I KNOW AND MAYBE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SIMILAR.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS BUT FOR INSTANCE, IN TOWN SQUARE, WE AS A COUNCIL ALLOWED THEM CERTAIN LIBERTIES NOW WITH THEIR SIGNAGE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK.

WE'VE MADE THEY USED TO HAVE TO COME TO US WITH EVERY LITTLE THING AND WE DID.

WE BLANKETED AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE WANT TO BE PROGRESSIVE.

WE WANT YOU TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SEE EVERY SIGN.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BROADEN JUST FOR KITE REALTY, JUST FOR TOWN SQUARE.

WE'RE GOING TO BROADEN WHAT WHAT'S JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.

SO MAYBE WE WORK WITH THEM TO DO SOME SORT OF MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT AND SOME ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY AT 5:00, I DON'T KNOW YOU PLAY GOD BLESS AMERICA AND RED, WHITE AND BLUE WHATEVER IT IS RIGHT.

SO SOME SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS.

I WOULD BE DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF THAT, BUT I CAN'T STOMACH JUST SAYING, HEY, LET'S TURN IT INTO OPEN SPACE, AND I HOPE THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I WANT TO REITERATE WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE IT AS OPEN SPACE.

I DO NOT WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE DRAWING A LINE IN THE SAND SAYING IT HAS TO BE OPEN SPACE.

WE'VE ALREADY SAID MULTIPLE TIMES THIS EVENING THAT WE'RE FINE WITH IT BEING A PARK.

WHAT WE NEED IS THE ABILITY TO MANAGE THE OPERATIONS OF THAT AREA, BECAUSE IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN INTENDED AS THAT AND ALL PAST

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AND WHAT I'M SAYING TOO IS THAT IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, OR IF WE CAN'T REACH SOME KIND OF AN AGREEMENT, THEN THAT PARK WILL NOT BE BUILT.

I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER, AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO SPEND $5 MILLION ON A FOUNTAIN AND NOT BE ABLE TO MONETIZE IT.

COUNCIL MEMBER SHARLI DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I CALL FOR A MOTION? ON. THAT IS AN INTERESTING COMMENT, MR. TERRELL, DISMAYED THAT I THOUGHT, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE.

PART OF THE WHOLE PLAN AND THE DEALS THAT WE MADE IN COMPROMISES THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TORRES WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT WAS THAT WE GOT PARKLAND.

SO SOME OF THIS IS STARTING TO GET A LITTLE MUDDY, BUT I'LL SET THAT ASIDE, AND I DO WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT WHAT FAROUQ SAID ABOUT YOU HAVE THE PARK AND NOW YOU HAVE TO SPEND MONEY AND MAINTAIN IT.

I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE PARKS ALL THROUGH THE CITY, IN NEIGHBORHOODS, AND I HAVE HEARD SOME OF THESE PEOPLE BE VERY UNHAPPY ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY HAD TO DEDICATE THE PARK AND THEN KEEP THE PARK UP FOR NOT ONLY THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE.

IT IS A COMMON PRACTICE THAT WE DO IN THE CITY, NO MATTER WHERE THE PARK IS, THAT HAS BEEN DEDICATED.

SO I THINK THAT NEEDS THIS IS NOT A UNIQUE IT'S UNIQUE IN THAT THERE'S MORE MONEY INVOLVED, BUT FOR THOSE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE VERY SOME OF THEM NOT HAPPY ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T READ THEIR [INAUDIBLE] THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF FEELING, BUT THAT'S THE REALITY OF DEDICATING A CITY PARK, AND I JUST I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE RECORD ON THAT.

I DON'T NEED A COMMENT ON IT.

FOUNTAIN THAT REQUIRES THAT KIND OF MAINTENANCE.

POND MAINTENANCE AND MOWING IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE MAINTENANCE OF A $5 MILLION WATER FEATURE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT.

I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS.

IT WAS 2021 AND COUNCIL MEMBER LEPP WAS ON COUNCIL, AND THAT PARTICULAR MEETING THAT FALL OR LATE, LATE FALL, ALMOST WINTER WAS THE DISCUSSIONS OR THOSE MEETINGS WERE THE DISCUSSIONS AROUND DO WE KEEP THE LIBRARY? DO WE PULL IT OUT? LOTS OF THINGS HAPPEN OUT HERE.

YOU SPOKE WITH THE MAYOR BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, AND IT WAS DETERMINED TO PULL THE LIBRARY OUT.

WE CREATED THE TASK FORCE, WHICH WENT ON FOR A GOOD PORTION OF 2022.

WE DETERMINED AT THAT TIME TO PULL THE LIBRARY OUT, BUT I DON'T RECALL IN ANY OF THESE DISCUSSIONS THAT FROM FROM Y'ALL'S PERSPECTIVE, THIS MANAGEMENT PIECE BEING THIS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE HAD IT BEEN, IT WOULD HAVE RAISED A LOT OF RED.

I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE RAISED A LOT OF FLAGS AND STAFF WOULD HAVE SAID, WHOA, LET'S TALK TO THEM ABOUT MANAGEMENT OF THE PARK.

SO I, I JUST DON'T RECALL THAT.

I THINK IT'S CLEARLY A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE CLEARLY TODAY, AND AS FAROOQ COMMENTED ON.

SO I YOU KNOW, I JUST I WISH IT HAD BEEN A MORE SIGNIFICANT ISSUE THREE YEARS AGO LAST YEAR.

IT IS IMPORTANT AND I THINK MAYBE THERE IS A WAY TO WORK THROUGH THIS SOMEHOW.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THAT'S, THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION AND I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL SINCE THAT TIME.

SO AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING TONIGHT IS THAT I THINK EVERYBODY IS IN AGREEMENT THAT IT'S GOING TO REMAIN PARK.

WE'RE NOT EVEN CONTINUING TO ASK FOR OPEN SPACE.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GOING TO REMAIN PARK.

THE ONLY THING WE'RE ASKING IS CAN WE GET TO AN AGREEMENT ON HOW THE AREA THAT IS CURRENTLY SHOWN IN YELLOW WOULD BE MANAGED? MAYBE. I MEAN.

RIGHT. WE'RE JUST NOW STARTING TO TALK ABOUT AN AGREEMENT, SO MAYBE.

SURE. RIGHT.

MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.

ARE WE? YOU MAY BE.

OKAY, LET'S GIVE THIS A SHOT.

OKAY. OKAY.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE TO THAT.

WE APPROVE ITEM SEVEN, A ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-564F ZA 240042 FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CARILLON PARC PLAZA DISTRICT ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACKS 3A4, 3A4A, 3A5, 3A, 3A3, 3A1B AND A PORTION OF TRACKS 1E, 1D AND 3A1 LARKIN H SHIVERS SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 300 AND GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD, WEST

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CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2024 AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED AUGUST 30TH, 2024, NOTING THE FOLLOWING THAT WE ARE APPROVING ITEM TWO, ALLOWING THE DEVELOPER FLEXIBILITY TO DEVELOP A RETAIL RESTAURANT OFFICE IF A PUBLIC LIBRARY, A PERFORMING ARTS FACILITY IS NOT BUILT WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

LEAVING OPTION FOR LIBRARY, PERFORMING ARTS OR OTHER PUBLIC FACILITY USE, INCLUDING POTENTIAL VETERANS MEMORIAL.

THAT WE APPROVE ITEM THREE DEVELOPER TO COMBINE TWO BUILDINGS ADJACENT TO NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD INTO ONE BUILDING, ALLOWING FOR POTENTIAL UNDERGROUND PARKING, AND THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL BRING A FUTURE SITE PLAN.

NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING ITEM FOUR.

UNDERGROUND DETENTION UNDER THE OFFICE BUILDING IS NEEDED FOR A STORM DRAIN.

IF THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT ACROSS THE ADJOINING TEN ACRE PROPERTY CANNOT BE FINALIZED.

NOTING THAT WE ARE DENYING NUMBER FIVE.

HOWEVER, DIRECTING STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TO WORK TOGETHER TOWARD AN AGREEMENT A LICENSING AGREEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED ROADWAY TO WORK, IN ESSENCE, AS A VALET DROP OFF.

AS INDICATED TONIGHT.

NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING ITEM SIX UPON TXDOT APPROVAL, ADDING A SECOND ENTRANCE SUBJECT TO STATE HIGHWAY 114 FRONTAGE ROAD, AS SHOWN ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

NOTING THAT WE ARE DENYING ITEM SEVEN, AND NOTING THAT WE ARE DENYING ITEM ONE.

HOWEVER, AS DISCUSSED TONIGHT, WE'RE DIRECTING STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TO WORK TOGETHER BETWEEN NOW AND SECOND READING ALONG WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DISCUSS ITEMS AS IT RELATES TO THE CITY PARK AND MONETIZATION ET-CETERA AND LIMITED TO THE 3.63 ACRES THAT WAS INDICATED ON THE PLAN TONIGHT, AND THAT WILL BE TBD AGAIN WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, CITY MANAGER AND APPLICANT.

OKAY. THIS IS ALL SUBJECT TO ALL THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THIS PROPERTY SO NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CHANGES. NOTING THAT THE APPROVAL OF THE ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN AVOIDS THE CURRENTLY EXECUTED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT, THEREFORE HAS PREVIOUSLY REQUIRED NO BUILDING PERMITS FOR ANY LOTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL LOFT WILL BE ISSUED UNTIL A NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT IS SUCCESSFULLY EXECUTED.

NEXT PERMITTING A HOTEL LIMITED TO BUILDING F AS SHOWN ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THEN FINALLY WE'D LIKE BY SECOND READING FOR A PARKING ANALYSIS TO BE PROVIDED.

WE'D LIKE TO LABEL THE SECONDARY TOWER ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

PROVIDE IMAGES IN THE ZONING BOOKLET FOR THE SECONDARY TOWER AND PARK AREA, AS WELL AS FOR THE HOTEL AND OTHER BUILDINGS AS WERE PROVIDED IN THE PRECEDING BOOKLET.

AND THEN THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ITEM, CLARIFICATION ON APPENDIX E ON THE FLOOR AREA AND THE AREAS ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, HOTEL AREA, NUMBER OF FLOORS, ROOMS, ETC.

NOTING INFORMATION IN APPENDIX E AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN MUST MATCH FOR OUR CONSIDERATION AT SECOND READING, BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME ITEMS THAT SHOWED WHAT WAS CURRENTLY APPROVED, BUT YET DIFFERENT SQUARE FOOTAGES NOW, SO WE'D LIKE THOSE TO MATCH.

SO WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE VOTING ON FOR SECOND READING.

I BELIEVE THAT'S THE MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM SEVEN A.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

CAST YOUR VOTES ON THAT MOTION, AND THAT MOTION CARRIES FIVE ZERO, AND WE'LL SEE YOU BACK IN TWO WEEKS ON.

WAS THAT OCTOBER 1ST? OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 FOR SECOND READING.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

WE'VE BEEN AT IT FOR OVER TWO HOURS, SO WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE REST OF OUR AGENDA.

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NEXT UP, WE WILL TAKE ITEM 6A, 6B, AND 6C.

THIS INVOLVES OUR TAX RATE AND OUR ANNUAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025, AND ALSO 6C IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-032, AUTHORIZING PURCHASES FOR THE 2025 FISCAL YEAR AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO THOSE CONTRACTS THAT ARE SPELLED OUT IN THE BUDGET. DIRECTOR JACKSON HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF LEADING US THROUGH THIS BUDGET PROCESS.

HAS DELIVERED THE GOOD NEWS WITH ANOTHER NO NEW REVENUE RATE, PROPERTY TAX RATE CUT.

SO UNLESS ANYONE REALLY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT, I SAY WE JUST VOTE ON IT.

OR IF ANYONE WANTS TO GET UP AND TRY TO TALK US OUT OF IT.

I DON'T THINK SO.

COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION ON THOSE THREE ITEMS INVOLVING THE TAX RATE, THE BUDGET AND THE PURCHASES? ALL RIGHT. WELL, ITEM 6A AND 6B ARE ON SECOND READING AND THEY DO REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON 6A, 6B AND 6C, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THOSE THREE ITEMS. NO TAKERS. SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 6A AND 6B AND 6C, AND MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON I BELIEVE WE NEED TO TAKE THOSE SEPARATELY.

SO IF YOU'LL START WITH 6A IN A MOTION PLEASE.

YES. MAYOR AND COUNCIL I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6A ORDINANCE NUMBER 1286 SECOND READING TAX LEVY ORDINANCE, AND NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING A TAX LEVY ORDINANCE.

[6.A. Ordinance No. 1286, 2nd Reading, Tax Levy Ordinance. PUBLIC HEARING]

GOT A LOT MORE EFFICIENT.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 6A DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6A CARRIES FIVE ZERO.

EXCUSE ME. NEXT WE'LL HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 6B.

YES, MAYOR COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6B, ORDINANCE NUMBER 1287 SECOND READING.

[6.B. Ordinance No. 1287, 2nd Reading, approving and adopting the Annual Budget for Fiscal Year 2025, and approving the revised budget figures for Fiscal Year 2024. PUBLIC HEARING]

NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING THE ADOPTION OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 AND THE REVISED BUDGET FIGURES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 6.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6B CARRIES FIVE ZERO.

NEXT UP IS ITEM 6C.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6C RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-032, AUTHORIZING PURCHASES FOR THE 2025 FISCAL YEAR AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO

[6.C. Resolution No. 24-032, authorizing purchases for the 2025 Fiscal Year and authorizing the City Manager to enter into contracts necessary to effectuate said purchases. ]

SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 27TH, 2024.

CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER ONE DATED JULY 12TH, 2024.

NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING THE AUTHORIZATION OF PURCHASES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE SAID PURCHASES. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 6C.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THAT MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6C CARRIES FIVE ZERO.

THANK YOU EVERYONE. NEXT UP IS ITEM 6D ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-640A CASE NUMBER ZA 24-0019.

[6.D. Ordinance No. 480-640A, ZA24-0019, 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Trinity River Authority on property described as Lot 3, R. D. Price No. 1207 Addition and Lot 9, Kirkwood East, and located at 1350 W. Kirkwood Blvd and 3200 N. White Chapel Blvd., Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District and "NRPUD" Nonresidential Planned Unit Development. Proposed Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #1. PUBLIC HEARING ]

TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY ON PROPERTY AT KIRKWOOD AND WHITE CHAPEL.

DIRECTOR KILLOUGH.

THANK YOU MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.

THIS REQUEST IS LOCATED ON PROPERTY AT 3200 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD AND 1350 WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD.

THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SITE.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE BOUNDARY OF THIS PROPERTY TO SP-1 TO MATCH THE CURRENT ZONING THAT'S IN PLACE FOR THE EXISTING LIFT STATION OUTLINED IN RED ON THE BOUNDARY.

THIS WOULD EXPAND THEIR LIFT STATION INTO THIS PARTICULAR BOUNDARY AREA.

THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL AND SMALL PORTION 100 YEAR PLAIN.

THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS SP-1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT FOR THE EXISTING LIFT STATION AND NONRESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ON THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY BEING ADDED TO THIS SITE.

THEY PROPOSE EXPANDING THE EXISTING LIFT STATION AND THEN ADDING A PAVED LAYDOWN STAGING YARD FOR OVERFLOW TANKS AND AN EMERGENCY OR REPAIR TYPE SCENARIO.

THIS IS A LIGHTING EXHIBIT SHOWING THEIR PHOTOMETRICS OF SECURITY LIGHTING THEY WOULD HAVE IN PLACE, AND THEIR TREE CONSERVATION PLAN. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE LOOKING IN A SOUTHERLY DIRECTION.

THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD FRONTAGE, ALSO LOOKING IN A SOUTHERLY DIRECTION, AND THIS IS A

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THIS NOTIFICATION AREA, WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES WITHIN THAT NOTIFICATION AREA.

P&Z RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SIX ZERO SUBJECT TO THE STAFF, STAFF REPORT AND SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY.

THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE FIRST READING ON THIS ITEM SEVEN ZERO, NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO CONTACT ONCOR AND LOOK AT THE MEANS OF PROVIDING SOME SCREENING FENCING ALONG THE NORTHWESTERN BOUNDARY OF THAT PROPERTY TO SCREEN VISIBILITY FROM KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD.

THE APPLICANT HAS DONE THAT, WHICH YOUR PACKET INCLUDED A LETTER REGARDING THEIR CONTACT AND RESPONSE WITH ONCOR.

THEY ARE PROPOSING, SUBJECT TO ONCOR APPROVAL, WHERE THIS WOULD CROSS THEIR EASEMENT.

A WOOD PANELED TYPE FENCE THAT'S GOT ORNAMENTAL METAL AND WOOD PANEL, AND THEY ARE PROPOSED PROPOSING THAT ALONG THIS ENTIRE NORTHWESTERN BOUNDARY.

THEY WOULD INSTALL SLIDING GATES USING A SIMILAR MATERIAL FOR THE ENTRY POINTS, AND THIS IS BEING PROPOSED AS AN EIGHT FOOT WOOD PANEL, AND THEIR DISCUSSION WITH ONCOR WAS THAT THEY WOULD LIKELY NOT GET APPROVAL FROM ONCOR REGARDING A MASONRY WALL, AND ESPECIALLY AT THE TEN FOOT HEIGHT, AND BUT SAID THEY WOULD LIKELY HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING THEIR APPROVAL USING A FENCE OF THIS TYPE THAT COULD SOMEWHAT EASILY BE REMOVED IF NEED BE.

THIS IS AN EXHIBIT JUST SHOWING AN EXAMPLE OF ROLLING TYPE GATE THAT THEY WOULD PROPOSE UTILIZING, AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN, OR IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? NOTHING ELSE.

OH, I THINK HE SHOULD COME ON DOWN.

THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE AT LEAST A QUESTION.

IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE QUESTIONS.

ABSOLUTELY. PAUL [INAUDIBLE] WITH GARVER, ON BEHALF OF THE TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY.

I LIVE AT 5917 TRAIL MARKER COURT IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.

GO AHEAD. DENNIS CAN WE GO BACK ONE SLIDE TO WHERE OR MAYBE IT'S TWO SLIDES WHERE YOU SHOWED NO GO BACK.

GO UP. ONE MORE TOO FAR.

NO. ARE BOTH THOSE BEING PROPOSED OR ONE OR THE OTHER? I SURE LIKE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT BETTER BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE JUST LOOKS LIKE A.

WELL, I THINK IT'S JUST ELEVATION, ISN'T IT? THAT'S JUST DRIVING THAT CHANGE.

IT'S THE SAME FENCE.

IS IT THE SAME FENCE? THAT'S TOO BAD.

IT JUST LOOKS SO.

IT LOOKS THERE'S SOME INTEREST IN THE IN THE ONE WHERE IT'S BECAUSE GOING UP AND DOWN IT, THIS OTHER ONE JUST LOOKS LIKE A SLAB.

I KNOW YOUR HANDS ARE TIED, AND I ASKED DENNIS ABOUT COULD WE JUST DO LIKE LANDSCAPE BUT ONCOR DOESN'T LIKE THAT EITHER BECAUSE IT GROWS INTO THEIR TREE.

I MEAN, TO THEIR LINES.

SO ANYWAY, I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT MAYBE IS NOT SO ONE SLAB LOOKING SO ANYWAY.

BUT THAT'S A GOOD LEGAL TERM.

ONE SLAB LOOKING. YEAH.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

IF YOU COULD ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON YOUR CONVERSATION WITH ONCOR.

NOT BEING AN EXPERT IN EASEMENTS AND SO FORTH IT WOULD SEEM THAT YOU COULD DO A MASONRY WALL WITH SLIDE GATES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE OPENED IN THE SAME LOCATIONS AND SO FORTH TO ENSURE OPEN, EASY ACCESS TO ONCOR.

SO WHAT IS THE I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT FENCE IS A LOT EASIER TO TAKE DOWN THAN A MASONRY WALL I GET THAT, BUT WHAT'S THE CONCERN IF THEY CAN GET INTO THEIR EASEMENT? I THINK IT'S PRIMARILY THE CONCERN ABOUT EASY REMOVAL.

I MEAN, THESE CAN BE PULLED OUT IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY SITUATION FOR ONCOR.

SO THIS IS THE PRIMARY DRIVER, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE.

YEAH. OKAY.

I AM CURIOUS TO COUNCIL MEMBER SHARLI'S POINT, THOUGH.

IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD DO TO DRESS UP THE ESTHETICS A LITTLE BIT ALONG THE WAY? YOU KNOW, ALMOST LIKE SOME COLUMNS UNDERSTANDING THAT IF YOU PUT STONE COLUMN INSIDE THE EASEMENT, YOU'RE BACK TO THE SAME ISSUE.

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I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT.

THIS IS A PREFABRICATED PANEL.

SO IT COMES THIS WAY.

I MEAN, WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT PRODUCT IF WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT ANY SORT OF COLUMN OR, OR INTEREST.

SO THIS, THIS IS WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

WE THINK IT WOULD WORK WELL IN THIS SITUATION.

WE WOULD HAVE TO GO FIND ANOTHER PRODUCT.

THANK YOU. I THINK OUR OPTIONS ARE KIND OF LIMITED HERE WITH.

YEAH, I CAN I MEAN I CAN MOVE TO APPROVE AND YOU KNOW THIS IS SECOND READING.

SO IT'S APPROVED AT THAT POINT AND CERTAINLY WORK, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE LINES OF GOOD FAITH THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AND SEE AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO WORK WITH STAFF TO GET STAFF APPROVAL ON ANY SORT OF ENHANCEMENTS TO THE ESTHETICS, BUT IF COUNCIL FEELS LIKE THAT, REALLY I MEAN, IT'S AT SECOND READING, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S AT THAT POINT IT'S THE HONOR SYSTEM OR ARE WE JUST BETTER JUST APPROVING IT AS IS KATHY [INAUDIBLE]? I'M FINE WITH IT AS IS.

I MEAN, WHERE THIS IS LOCATED, THERE'S.

I THINK YOU DRIVE BY.

YEAH, YEAH.

I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD ALWAYS STRIVE TO MAKE THINGS LOOK BETTER WHEN WE CAN, BUT WHAT ABOUT SOME LANDSCAPE? YEAH, NOT TREES, BUT SOME SHRUBS OR SOMETHING.

JUST TO BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TREES THAT WILL GROW AND INTERFERE WITH ANY LINES ABOVE, BUT IF THERE'S SOME SHRUBS OR SOMETHING JUST TO BREAK UP, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A SOLID LEFT.

I THINK THAT'S A VERY FAIR REQUEST TO DO SOME.

YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT, AND YOU COULD WORK WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, ON THAT.

ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.

YEAH. WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT'S NOT A LOT OF DIRECTION, BUT WE TRUST YOU ALL TO WORK WITH DIRECTOR KILLOUGH AND HIS TEAM TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. THAT I DON'T THINK I'VE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING YET ON ITEM D I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 6D IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM.

SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON, THIS WILL BE ANOTHER BIG MOTION.

OH, YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6D ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-640A ZA 24-0019.

SECOND READING, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 3, R.D.

PRICE NUMBER 1207 ADDITION AND LOT 9 KIRKWOOD EAST AND LOCATED AT 1350 WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD AND 3200 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD, SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS. SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2024 AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED AUGUST 16TH, 2024, AND NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING THE ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN.

CHANGING ZONING FROM SP-1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT AND NRPUD NONRESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO SP1.

DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING LIFT STATION AS PRESENTED AND ALSO NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING THE SCREENING PROPOSAL THAT BEING THE FENCING THAT WAS REPRESENTED IN TONIGHT'S APPLICATION, AND FINALLY NOTING THE APPLICANT'S AGREEMENT TO WORK WITH STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF SITE APPROPRIATE SIZE AND VISUAL LANDSCAPE SCREENING ALONG THE FENCE.

GOOD MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

CAST YOUR VOTES.

AND THAT MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6D CARRIES FIVE ZERO.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

NEXT IS ITEM 6E RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-029 CASE NUMBER ZA 24-0041.

[6.E. Resolution No. 24-029, ZA24-0041, Specific Use Permit for a Private School for Carrus Care Southlake, on property described as Lot 11, LBG Hall No. 686 Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 600 W. Southlake Blvd., Suite 120, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #6. PUBLIC HEARING (Part 1 of 2)]

THANK YOU MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL THIS IS A PROPOSAL, AS YOU SAID, FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A PRIVATE SCHOOL ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 600 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD IN SUITE 120.

CARRUS IS A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH FACILITY THAT PROVIDES PRIVATE DAY SCHOOL FOR ITS PATIENTS.

THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SITE AND CURRENT ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY IS SP-1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT WITH UNDERLYING ONE OFFICE USES THIS BEING A PRIVATE SCHOOL IS PERMITTED UNDER THIS DISTRICT BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IF APPROVED.

THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS PROPERTY IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL AND THIS AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE WITH THE OVERLAY OF THE APPLICANT'S LOCATION IN THAT FACILITY, AND THIS IS A

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THEY PROVIDE INTENSIVE CARE TO THE STUDENTS AND THEN ALSO ADDRESS THEIR EDUCATIONAL NEEDS AS PART OF THEIR PROGRAM.

THEY THEY HAVE TWO AGE GROUPS.

ONE GROUP IS A PEDIATRIC GROUP AGES 8 TO 12, AND THEN THEY HAVE TWO ADOLESCENT GROUPS, AGES 13 TO 17.

EACH OF THOSE GROUPS ARE ABOUT 12 STUDENTS EACH.

THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE 9 TO 5, AND I BELIEVE THEIR STUDENT TIME, AS THEY INDICATED WITH THE INFORMATION PROVIDED THIS AFTERNOONS 9 TO 4 P.M..

THEY'RE ALL USUALLY PICKED UP AND GONE BY 4:00 PM THE STUDENTS.

STUDENTS ARE DROPPED OFF IN THE FACILITY BY THEIR PARENTS OR GUARDIANS AND WALKED INTO THE FACILITY.

THEY, THEY HAVE SCANNING OR WANDING PROCEDURES THAT THEY DO FOR SECURITY, AND IT'S A SECURE FACILITY THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, SEVEN ZERO, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT, AND NOTING THAT THE TERM OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WOULD BE TIED TO THEIR PRIMARY LEASE AND THEN THE EXTENSIONS THAT WOULD BE EXERCISED BY THAT TENANT.

AND WE THIS IS OUR NOTIFICATION AREA MAP, AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES WITHIN THAT NOTIFICATION AREA. I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? I HAVE ONE.

DENNIS, DID YOU SAY THAT THE PARENTS PARK AND PICKUP? THEY DON'T DRIVE UP AND HAVE THE STUDENTS COME OUT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT THEY INDICATED WHERE, AND THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES IN THEIR DESCRIPTION WHERE A PRIVATE DRIVER BRINGS THEM. AND IN SOME CASES THE STAFF MEETS THAT PERSON AND WALKS THE CHILD OR YOUNG PERSON, INTO THE FACILITY. CAN YOU CAN YOU PUT UP THE TRAFFIC PATTERN? I DROVE THAT TODAY, AND IF YOU IF YOU COME UP 1709 THE STACKING IF, IF YOU KNOW, IT'S 36, KIDS COULD BE THERE AT ONCE, AND IF EVERYBODY CHOOSES TO GO OFF OF 1709 RATHER THAN SHADY OAKS, YOU COULD HAVE A STACKING PROBLEM BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE ENOUGH CARS.

IF AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATIO IS.

OR AND MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM, AND I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE BETTER OFF JUST LETTING THE AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CONTROL IT, BUT THAT THE PICKUP AND DROP OFF SHOULD BE OFF OF SHADY OAKS, NOT OFF 1709.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE WANDING AND HOW YOU GET IN AND OUT OF THAT FACILITY AND HOW THE KIDS ARE PROTECTED IF THEY CHOSE TO LEAVE DURING CLASS ON THEIR OWN.

IF YEAH, I WOULD PREFER TO DEFER THAT QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU. YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH.

BEFORE WE INVITE THE APPLICANT UP, I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A QUICK EXECUTIVE SESSION ON ITEM 6E.

SO, AS MAYOR, I HEREBY ADVISE YOU THAT WE'RE GOING INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

[2.A. Executive Session (Part 2 of 2)]

ALL RIGHT. I'LL CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER, AND WE'RE STILL ON ITEM 6E.

I'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND TELL US A BIT ABOUT THE APPLICATION AND THE BUSINESS.

[2.B. Reconvene (Part 2 of 2)]

[6.E. Resolution No. 24-029, ZA24-0041, Specific Use Permit for a Private School for Carrus Care Southlake, on property described as Lot 11, LBG Hall No. 686 Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 600 W. Southlake Blvd., Suite 120, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #6. PUBLIC HEARING (Part 2 of 2)]

MY NAME IS PETER YULE, 2412 HUNTER HILL DRIVE IN ARLINGTON.

I WORK FOR CARRUS HEALTH, WHICH IS HEADQUARTERED IN SHERMAN, TEXAS.

SORRY IF I MAY, JUST BEFORE THE PICTURE DISAPPEARS, IF I MAY JUST POINT OUT THAT OUR NEIGHBOR IN THAT BUILDING IS A BANK AND THEY OPENED IT AND THEY WE GET THERE BEFORE NINE AND THEY OPEN AT NINE AND WE LEAVE AT FIVE, WHICH IS AFTER THEY HAVE CLOSED, AND WE BASICALLY HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THEIR PARKING SPACES.

SO WE TWO YEARS AGO WE HAD WE OPERATE SEVERAL SPECIALTY HOSPITALS, BUT TWO YEARS AGO WE OPENED A CHILDREN'S BEHAVIORAL HEALTH HOSPITAL IN

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SO WE STARTED OUT BY HAVING A DAY SCHOOL, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A SCHOOL, MEDICALLY IT'S CALLED DAY HOSPITALIZATION WHERE WE STARTED IN SHERMAN.

IT FILLED UP.

WE THEN WENT TO FRISCO.

IT FILLED UP. WE WENT TO MCKINNEY, IT FILLED UP, AND THEN WE DECIDED THAT THERE WAS A GENUINE NEED.

SO WE STARTED A PROGRAM.

THE ONE IN SOUTHLAKE, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL, WOULD BE NUMBER SIX OUT OF TEN THAT ARE IN THE WORKS, AND WE GET THE CHILDREN FOR 4 TO 6 WEEKS. IT IS ON A PRESCRIPTION.

IT'S A MEDICAL ADMISSION, AND WE HAVE A COUNSELOR.

WE HAVE THREE CLASSES.

WE HAVE A COUNSELOR AND AN AIDE FOR EACH CLASS.

WE HAVE A FULL TIME REGISTERED NURSE ON SITE.

WE HAVE A PSYCHIATRIST WHO OVERSEES THEM.

WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE MEDICAL RECORDS OF THE CHILDREN AND WE HAVE A PRESCREENING.

WE DO NOT ALLOW ANY CHILDREN THAT HAVE A VIOLENT HISTORY.

WE BASICALLY DEAL WITH CHILDREN THAT HAVE ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION ISSUES.

OUR PURPOSE IS TO GET THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY CAN COPE WITH BEING BACK IN THE NORMAL SCHOOL SYSTEM.

IT GIVES THEM A BREAK.

IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO BUILD THEM UP.

THE SCHOOLS ENCOURAGE US TO PARTICIPATE WITH THEM BECAUSE IT'S A MEDICALLY EXCUSED ABSENCE OF THE SCHOOLS DO NOT LOSE ANY OF THEIR STATE FUNDED REVENUE, AND SO WE HAVE NO OPPOSITION FROM THE SCHOOLS.

THEY OBVIOUSLY CAN'T RECOMMEND US, BUT BUT THEY GENERALLY INVITE US TO COME AND VISIT THEIR SITES.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? HOW DO YOU HANDLE YOU'RE ON A VERY BUSY ROAD ON 1709 THAT SITE IS, AND QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS IF A WOULD ANY CHILD BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THAT BUILDING JUST IF THEY JUST RENDERED THE DOOR AND WANTED TO GET OUT? OKAY.

WE HAVE SOME SPECIFIC RULES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, DICTATED BY BY SORRY, BY THE MEDICAL RULES WE, WE ARE SUBJECT TO, WE HAVE TO, FIRST OF ALL, MAKE IT SO THAT A CHILD ON AN EXIT DOOR THAT IS NOT GUARDED.

WE HAVE A 15 SECOND DELAY WHICH GIVES THE STAFF A CHANCE TO ROPE IN THE CHILD, IF I MAY SAY SO, AND THE ONLY OTHER EXIT IS THROUGH THE FRONT ENTRANCE, AND WE ALWAYS HAVE A FULL TIME STAFF MEMBER, A RECEPTIONIST AT THE DESK THERE, AND SO SHORT OF A PHYSICAL ALTERCATION, WE CAN STOP THE CHILDREN.

WE HAVE ONLY HAD ONE CHILD SO FAR THAT HAS GOTTEN OUT AND WE ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE PROPERTY TO TRACK DOWN THE CHILD AND RESTRAIN THEM.

WE ARE CALLED IT'S CALLED A CODE WHITE, AND ALL OF OUR STAFF IS TRAINED IN HOW TO HANDLE THE CHILD IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW TO HOLD THE CHILD AND HOW TO NOT CAUSE PHYSICAL HARM TO THE CHILD WHEN THEY RESTRAIN THEM.

ONCE THEY ARE PAST OUR PROPERTY.

WE HAVE TO CALL THE POLICE.

WE HAVE NO CHOICE.

WE LIKE TO THINK IT DOES NOT HAPPEN, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN STAND HERE AND GUARANTEE CATEGORICALLY.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS THE ONE I ASKED DENNIS, IS HOW DO YOU HANDLE DROP OFF AND PICKUP? HOW DOES THAT WORK? WELL, WE HAVE TWO, TWO TYPES OF ARRIVALS THAT WE HAVE CHILDREN THAT ARRIVE BY UBER.

WE HAVE A SPECIAL RATE WITH UBER WHERE THEY WILL PICK UP AND DELIVER THE CHILDREN, IN WHICH CASE OUR STAFF IS OUTSIDE AND MEETS THE CHILD AS THEY DROP OFF AND WALKS THEM IN.

WHEN THE PARENTS COME, THEY PACK THE CHILD AND WALK THE CHILD IN INTO THE FACILITY.

ALL THE CHILDREN ARE CHECKED WITH A METAL DETECTOR AS THEY COME IN.

THEY TURN IN THEIR CELL PHONE, THEY BRING THEIR LUNCH AND THEY STAY INSIDE THE FACILITY DURING THE DAY UNTIL IT'S TIME TO LEAVE.

WHAT PORTION OF THE KIDS COME VIA UBER AND WHAT PORTION COME? I COULDN'T TELL YOU CATEGORICALLY, MA'AM.

I'M SORRY. THAT'S FINE.

IT'S MOSTLY BY PARENTS, BUT, BUT IT'S A FAIR.

THE BILL FROM UBER IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL THESE MONTHS, I CAN ASSURE YOU.

NO, I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT IT.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS FOR EACH LOCATION.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED HERE YET, SO IT VARIES.

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OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT.

THIS ITEM REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6E IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, COME ON DOWN.

SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 6E.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL, BEFORE WE TAKE A MOTION? ALL RIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, YOU'RE UP.

MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE, I MEAN, IS THERE A CONCERN AT ALL FOR SAFETY OF OF THE STUDENTS BECAUSE OF 1709? AS THE GENTLEMAN SHARED, I MEAN, IT DOES ON OCCASION HAPPEN WHERE A STUDENT LEAVES ON THEIR OWN OR DECIDES THEY DON'T WANT TO BE THERE, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH SO THAT THERE'S A PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY, CATCH UP TO THAT STUDENT AND KEEP THEM SAFE, BUT I JUST I JUST RAISE THAT UP FOR CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS.

IS 1709 SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT A DIFFERENT LOCATION WITHIN THE CITY IS MUCH MORE COMFORTING, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENT A CHILD CHOSE TO LEAVE.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'LL RAISE.

I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THAT.

I'M I'M I'M CONCERNED.

I LIVE NEAR THAT CORNER, AND I WORRY THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT CORNER BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT DOWN SHADY OAKS, YOU HAVE DURHAM, AND SO THAT'S A THAT'S A VERY BUSY CORNER.

YEAH I MEAN I SEE YOUR POINT FOR SURE.

AND THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF SPACE BETWEEN IN THE EVENT THAT A CHILD DOES GET OUT, THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF SPACE BETWEEN THAT, AND LIKE DURHAM FOR INSTANCE, IS SET BACK.

RIGHT. SO SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO RUN QUITE A WAYS, BUT YEAH YOU BRING UP A GREAT POINT.

SO WE'RE HEARING MAYBE A BETTER LOCATION SOMEWHERE NOT AT A BUSY INTERSECTION LIKE THIS.

WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE.

I MEAN, THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT AND HAVE ZERO CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

I JUST I JUST WANT TO RAISE IT UP FOR CONSIDERATION.

I AGREE. I MEAN, THE WORK IS FANTASTIC.

I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT SAFETY AT THIS LOCATION.

ALL RIGHT. YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? NO. YOU'VE HAD GOOD SUCCESS TONIGHT.

YEAH, I CAN MAKE A MOTION.

WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES.

MAYOR COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE DENY ITEM 6E RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-029 ZA 24-0041 SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL FOR CARRUS CARE SOUTHLAKE. WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY ITEM 6E DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.

THIS IS A MOTION TO DENY.

SO A YES VOTE IS TO DENY.

CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THAT MOTION TO DENY CARRIES FOUR TO ZERO OR FOUR TO ONE.

EXCUSE ME. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS JUST MAYBE A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

MAYBE NOT ON THE BUSY INTERSECTION AT 1709, BUT WE HOPE YOU CAN FIND ANOTHER PLACE.

GOOD LUCK. NEXT UP IS ITEM ACTUALLY 6F WE TOOK CARE OF IN CONSENT NEXT TO 6G.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 733-E SECOND READING APPROVING A SPEED LIMIT CHANGE.

[6.G. Ordinance No. 733-E, 2nd Reading, approve a speed limit ordinance, amending Chapter 18, Section 18-80 of the Southlake City Code to revise the school crossing zone area for Carroll Senior High School and Florence Elementary School. PUBLIC HEARING ]

YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

SO I'LL BE PRESENTING ITEM 6G TONIGHT.

6G ACTUALLY IS AMENDING CHAPTER 18, SECTION 18-80, THE CITY CODE.

REVISING THE SCHOOL CROSSING ZONE AREAS FOR THE SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL, AS WELL AS AREA BY FLORENCE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

THE FIRST REQUESTED CHANGE OR PROPOSED CHANGE INVOLVES CARROLL SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL, AS YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE.

SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL IS TO THE RIGHT HERE.

THE EXISTING SCHOOL ZONE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

THE PROPOSED IS TO EXTEND THE SCHOOL ZONE ABOUT 750FT TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, WHERE IT ACTUALLY WILL INCORPORATE THE CROSS, THE CROSSWALK AT KINGSLEY COURT.

THIS WAS RECOMMENDED BY OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT IN JUNE OF THIS PAST YEAR, AND SO IF PROPOSED, IF IT'S APPROVED AS

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THE OTHER REQUESTED CHANGE ACTUALLY OCCURRED IN 2021 AS YOU CAN SEE OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT'S FLORENCE ELEMENTARY.

THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA IN RED IS THE EXISTING SCHOOL ZONE.

WHEN THE WORK WAS UNDERTAKEN ON THE SCHOOL ITSELF, THE ACTUAL SCHOOL ZONE SIGNAGE WAS EXTENDED ABOUT 500FT TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHERE YOU SEE IT RIGHT HERE. THIS ACTION WOULD ONLY BASICALLY CODIFY THE ACTUAL SCHOOL ZONE TO WHERE NOW THIS IS GOING TO BE ENFORCEABLE IN CASE THERE ARE ANY VIOLATIONS.

SO THERE IS NO COST FOR THE SECOND ONE.

THE ONLY COST PROPOSED WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE WITH AROUND $6,000 WOULD BE COME OUT OF THE TRAFFIC CALMING FUND OF THE CIP, AND THIS ACTION ALIGNS WITH THE SOUTHLAKE STRATEGY MAP AS YOU SEE HERE, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU DIRECTOR COHAN, ANY DISCUSSION ON 6G? THANK YOU SIR.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. 6G IS A SECOND READING AND REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6G.

DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF PEOPLE HERE.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 6G.

ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE A MOTION? MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, YOU'RE UP.

YES, MAYOR. COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6G ORDINANCE NUMBER 733-E SECOND READING, APPROVING A SPEED LIMIT ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 18, SECTIONS 18-8 0 OF THE SOUTHLAKE CITY CODE TO REVISE THE SCHOOL CROSSING ZONE AREA FOR CARROLL SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL AND FLORENCE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE SCHOOL ZONE BOUNDARIES AT CARROLL SENIOR HIGH AND FLORENCE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THAT MOTION CARRIES FIVE ZERO.

WE ALREADY TOOK CARE OF 7A.

CARILLON PARC AND 7B THE TUTOR OF DRAGONS TUTORING.

SO LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS ITEM 9A SITE PLAN FOR THE OVERLOOK AND WILLOW TREE GARDENS.

[9.A. Site Plan for The Overlook and WillowTree Gardens, as required under Ordinance No. 480-810, Case No. ZA23-0072, on property described as Tracts 3C, and portions of Tracts 3D03, and 3D03A, W.W. Hall Survey Abstract 695, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 240 N. Carroll Avenue, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: "TZD" Transitional Zoning District. SPIN Neighborhood #7. ]

DIRECTOR KILLOUGH.

THANK YOU MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO CONSIDER THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL RELATED TO THE OVERLOOK AND THE WILLOW TREE GARDENS.

BASED ON THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL MADE UNDER THE ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-810, AND THAT BEING ZA 23-0072 PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 240 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE AND A PORTION OF THIS IS ADDRESS OFF OF 918 AND 1050 EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY AND THE BOUNDARY OF THAT SITE.

THIS IS THE PLAN D THAT WAS IN PLACE AND PART OF THE AND CONSIDERED UNDER THE APPROVAL ON MAY 21ST OF THIS YEAR. THIS WAS A 23 LOT RESIDENTIAL CONFIGURATION WITH THE OFFICE ON THE EAST BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY, AND THESE WERE THE CONDITIONS OF THAT APPROVAL.

IT WAS APPROVED, APPROVED NOTING THAT THE APPROVAL PERTAINED TO DEVELOPMENT PLAN D THAT WAS PRESENTED THAT EVENING AND NOTING THAT THERE WOULD BE NO MORE THAN 20 RESIDENTS, 20 RESIDENCES IN THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, AND THAT THE TOTAL PROPERTY BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE GATES WOULD WOULD THAT WOULD INCLUDE TOTAL PROPERTY INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE GATES, INCLUDING THOSE THAT WERE SHOWN ALONG CROSS LANE.

NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT AGREED THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE GATE ENTRY ONLY ON BOTH THE EAST AND WEST ENTRY POINTS, AND THAT THEY WOULD WORK WITH STAFF TO IDENTIFY APPROPRIATE TECHNOLOGY.

SPECIFICALLY NOT KEYPAD, TO ALLOW FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THE RESIDENTS ONLY, AND AVOID CIRCUMVENTING OF THOSE GATES FOR THROUGH ACCESS.

THE FIVE LOTS THAT WERE REPRESENTED ON THE WEST PORTION ALONG THE EXTENSION OF CROSS LANE HAD TO BE AT LEAST THE SIZE THAT WAS REPRESENTED ON PLAN D, AND IT INCLUDED THAT A FULL MASONRY WALL WOULD BE PROVIDED IN A NORTH SOUTH DIRECTION, COVERING THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE DIVIDER BETWEEN THE CROSS FIVE CROSS LANE LOTS AND THE LOTS THAT WERE

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THIS IS ALTERNATE D PLAN, WHICH IS MOST CLOSELY RELATED TO THE LOT CONFIGURATION OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN D. IT REDUCES THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS TO 20 LOTS WITH 14 LOTS OR EXCUSE ME, 15 LOTS BEING THE VILLA TYPE LOTS AND FIVE OF THOSE LOTS BEING EQUAL OR GREATER TO THOSE LOTS THAT WERE REPRESENTED ON THAT ORIGINAL PLAN D.

THIS IS A FENCING PLAN PROVIDED FOR THAT ALTERNATIVE PLAN.

THE BOUNDARY SHOWN IN GREEN WOULD BE AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL.

THE BOUNDARY SHOWN IN THE PURPLE WOULD BE A OPTIONAL EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL, OR A 2.5FT MASONRY WALL WITH A FOUR FOOT IRON TYPE FENCING ON THE TOP, AND THE AREA SHOWN IN THE GOLD WOULD BE A MINIMUM SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL WITH OR A IRON FENCE OR A COMBINATION THEREOF.

THIS IS AN ALTERNATE ALTERNATIVE TWO PLAN VERSION OF D.

THIS ALSO REDUCES NUMBER LOTS TO 20 LOTS.

IT PROVIDES 14 OF THE VILLA TYPE LOTS AND 6 OF THE LARGER LOTS AT OR EXCEEDING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE THAT WAS REPRESENTED ON THE PLAN D THAT WAS ACTED ON.

IT REORIENTS THE RETENTION PONDS ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY.

PLACES THE CUL DE SAC ADJACENT TO THOSE RETENTION DETENTION PONDS, AND PLACES A GATE AT THAT PARTICULAR ENTRY POINT.

ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT AND CLARIFY WITH THE APPLICANT THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IS PROVIDED, IS SIDEWALKS PROVIDED ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, AND THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PREFERRED PLAN, AND THEY SAID THAT THEY DID INTEND TO HAVE SIDEWALKS.

THEY JUST WERE NOT SHOWN ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAN VERSION, AND THAT SIDEWALK WOULD CONNECT WITH THE SIDEWALKS IN FOXBORO.

THIS IS A FENCING PLAN FOR THAT.

ONCE AGAIN, THE FENCING SHOWN IN GREEN IS MINIMUM EIGHT FOOT.

WALL FENCING SHOWN IN GOLD IS A MINIMUM SIX FOOT MASONRY OR IRON FENCE OR COMBINATION THEREOF, AND THE PURPLE FENCE IS AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL, AND THIS IS A PLAN OR SLIDE JUST SHOWING COMPARISON OF THE THREE PLANS.

PLAN D AS IT WAS ACTED UPON WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, AND THEN THE ALTERNATE ALTERNATIVE PLAN ONE AND ALTERNATIVE PLAN TWO.

ONCE AGAIN, THE APPLICANTS INDICATED THAT THEY PREFER ALTERNATE PLAN TWO, AND APPLICANTS GOT A PRESENTATION AND VIDEO IF YOU WOULD LIKE FURTHER DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE DESIGN.

I BELIEVE THEY HAVE THAT IN PLACE, SIR.

THANK YOU DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, ANY QUESTIONS? MY ONLY QUESTION IS, IS THE SIDEWALK INTENDED TO BE OPEN? SO IF YOU LIVE IN FOXBORO, CAN YOU WALK THROUGH THE GATE INTO THE VILLAS OR WILL THAT BE COMPLETELY SHUT OFF AND ONLY CARS WILL BE ABLE TO ENTER AND EXIT? BASED ON CONVERSATIONS I HAD LAST WITH THE APPLICANT, IT WOULD BE INTENDED TO BE OPEN, BUT THE SIDEWALK, BUT I'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT TO CONFIRM THAT.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT COME ON UP.

I THINK IF WE COULD START, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A FULL PRESENTATION.

I'LL JUST STATE I LIKE ALTERNATIVE TWO THE BEST.

I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYONE ELSE FEELS, BUT IF WE NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL THE OPTIONS OR THE WHOLE PRESENTATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO IT, BUT GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS

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YES. IF YOU DON'T WANT THE PRESENTATION, THAT'S FINE.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

YES. WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WOULD HAVE A FREE FLOW BETWEEN THE THINGS WE'RE NOT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP ANYONE OUT.

IT'S JUST VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

FOLLOWING THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE IN MAY REGARDING THE GATES, WE ARE GATED ON BOTH ENDS.

I THINK WHAT ALTERNATIVE TWO DOES IS IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE LOTS IN CROSS LANE AND OUR LOTS.

IT ADDS ANOTHER LARGER LOT TO THE PLAN, AND ALL THE LOTS WITHIN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE BEHIND THE GATES IN THIS LOCATION.

SO I THINK CONSIDERING EVERYTHING WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A WAS A BETTER APPROACH.

SO MR. FRANKS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH, TRAVIS.

TRAVIS BEHRENDS 775 LAKEWOOD SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

THANK YOU ALL FOR STAYING LATE AND HEARING THIS CASE.

SO YEAH, THE ALTERNATIVE TWO PLAN, OBVIOUSLY, AND WEIRD ENOUGH, AFTER THE APPROVAL GOT DONE I'VE GOT SEVERAL PHONE CALLS FROM THE NEIGHBORS ASKING, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND NOT EXTEND CROSS LANE? SO IT ACTUALLY KIND OF SPARKED A LITTLE BIT OF INTEREST OF LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE, AND IT ALSO GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW GROW ANOTHER LARGE LOT, WHICH WOULD HELP COUNCILMAN WILLIAMSON, YOU KNOW, POINT OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME LARGER LOTS SUSTAINED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO TRANSITION FROM LARGER LOTS TO THE VILLA, LOTS A LITTLE BETTER.

WE ALSO ARE ABLE TO GAIN THAT EXTRA POND, WHICH WILL GAIN ANOTHER FOUNTAIN, WHICH IS ANOTHER FEATURE AS YOU PULL INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO OVERALL THIS IS WE FEEL THIS IS A MORE A BETTER LOOK, A BETTER FEEL FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND IT MAKES WAY MORE SENSE THAN HAVING THE GATE AT THE END OF A CUL DE SAC ITSELF.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE CAME FROM ON THAT.

I AGREE WITH ALL THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THESE ALTERNATIVES? MY ONLY QUESTION, TRAVIS, IS ON ALTERNATIVE TWO AND I THINK IT'S LOT 13.

WHY DID YOU SPLICE THAT ONE OFF VERSUS JUST HAVING THE ONE ROAD THAT COMES AROUND THE LIKE YOU'VE GOT THE ONE LOT THAT BACKS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BORDER THERE THAT.

YEAH. SO IT TECHNICALLY IT DOESN'T SHOW BUT THAT ACTUALLY WILL BE A REAR ENTRY.

SO THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE SOMEONE'S GARAGE GOING BACK.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK LIKE THAT.

SO THAT ALLEYWAY IN THE BACK WILL CONNECT, WILL ACTUALLY BLOCK OR BE A PART OF THE BACK WALL AND THE SIDE WALL.

I THINK IT'S JUST A DESIGN ELEMENT TO GIVE THE SEPARATION, TO MAKE IT GIVE IT MORE APPEAL.

IT WAS REALLY NO, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU HAD COME UP WITH, THE REASON WHY THERE WAS ANY SEPARATION ON THAT.

WELL, THAT'S NOT THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW YOU DO AN ALLEY AT THE END.

YOU DO A LOT OR 2 OR 3, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THAT THERE.

SO YOU SHORTEN THE ALLEY.

THAT LOT ENDS UP A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, AND NOW INSTEAD OF AN ALLEY BEING NEXT TO THE NEIGHBORING LOT THERE, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, THERE'S A LOT THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE MEDIAN BREAK IN THE MEDIAN IS MORE CENTERED IF WE DO THAT.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND HOW MANY FEWER LOTS IS, SO IT STILL EQUALS TO 20.

THAT WAS APPROVED 20.

YES. WE JUST REDUCED THE VILLA LOTS FROM 15 TO 14 AND ADDED A LARGER LOT FROM 5 TO 6.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO COUNT AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS GETTING THE SAME.

OKAY, AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT IN ON PLAN D AND PLAN D ALTERNATE ONE, YOU REPRESENT THE RETENTION POND WITH A DEEP BLUE COLOR, AND ON TWO IT'S JUST DIFFERENT.

IS THAT STILL GOING TO BE FULLY I MEAN THOSE ARE GOING TO BE FULL FULL PONDS WITH WATER FEATURES.

YES. YEAH. THOSE ARE BOTH.

BOTH OF THEM. YEAH.

WE HAVE A VIDEO AND SOME SOME PICTURES AS WELL, SOME RENDERINGS DONE TO SHOW YOU KIND OF THE NEW LOOK OF ALTERNATIVE TWO.

WE'RE DEBATING MONETIZING THE POND OF THE FOUNTAIN YET, BUT WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

IT'S TOO SOON.

SORRY. TOO SOON.

SORRY. THERE'S NO ONE HERE.

YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT.

WE'RE NOT MONETIZING THAT MEDIAN.

[LAUGHTER] WE ALL LAUGHED.

IT'S THAT NERVOUS. HA HA HA HA HA! I'LL TAKE IT, SIR. YEAH, BUT WE DO HAVE.

WE HAVE A REALLY NICE VIDEO.

IT'S NOT. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WERE IT'S WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY, BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW WHAT TWO WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO SEE A VISUAL AND THE PICTURES AND RENDERINGS TO GO ALONG WITH IT. IT'S NOT A VERY LONG VIDEO.

IT'S LIKE 20-30S.

ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD AND PLAY IT.

YOU SAID SECONDS, RIGHT NOT MINUTES.

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SO THERE'S GOING TO BE DRAMATIC AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING.

WE'LL PUT A LOT OF LOT OF DOLLARS INTO THAT.

SO THESE HOMES YOU SEE THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING IN IT, BUT THE THEME AND THE THEORY OF IT, THE CONCEPT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE THIS VIBRANT, YOU KNOW, REALLY BEAUTIFUL WATER FOUNTAIN THERE AND JUST A REALLY A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO GO LOCK AND LEAVE TYPE SCENARIO AND A REALLY EXCLUSIVE PLACE.

THIS IS THE BACK SIDE OF CROSS LANE.

SO YOU SEE THE PONDS AND THE FOUNTAINS, BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL PULL INTO ON THE BACK SIDE OF CROSS LANE.

SO YOU STILL GET A TURNAROUND WITH THAT LITTLE CIRCULAR PIECE, BUT IT'S VERY PRIVATE GATE.

THERE YOU GO. LOOKS GOOD.

YEAH. I GUESS WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE WHICH ALTERNATIVE WE WANT, AND I'M GOOD WITH NUMBER TWO.

THAT'S YOUR PREFERRED OPTION, RIGHT? YES, SIR. IT IS. YEAH.

I'M GOOD WITH TWO.

YEP YEP YEP. SAME.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS, GUYS. THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR STICKING AROUND LATE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON.

WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM 9A.

WELL, THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY, TOO, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK EVERYBODY UP HERE KNOWS IS THAT OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON AN APPROVAL.

IT'S APPROVED. WE'RE VOTING ON A SITE PLAN.

NOW, JUST WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE? SO ALL RIGHT, SO I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 9A SITE PLAN FOR THE OVERLOOK AND WILLOW TREE GARDENS AS REQUIRED UNDER ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-810 CASE NUMBER ZA 23-0072 ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACTS 3C AND PORTIONS OF TRACTS 3D03 AND 3D03A, WW HALL SURVEY ABSTRACT 695, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS AND LOCATED AT 240 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2024, AND NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING A SITE PLAN, AND CONSIDERING DESIGN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL MADE ON MAY 21ST, 2024, AND NOTING THAT WITH AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE WILL BE APPROVING DEVELOPMENT PLAN D ALTERNATIVE TWO AS PRESENTED TONIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THAT MOTION TO APPROVE 9A CARRIES FIVE ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS, GUYS, AND MEETING ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.