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>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. WELCOME, IT'S 6:31 PM,
[1. Call to Order]
HERE TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CITY HALL FOR TONIGHT'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2024.I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE DAN KUBIAK.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LAUNCH INTO OUR AGENDA NOW.
JUST A QUICK HEADS UP, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH IT HERE IN A MINUTE.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY MOVE UP ITEMS 9 AND 10 IN FRONT OF EIGHT BECAUSE I THINK WE, HOPEFULLY, ANTICIPATE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS MOVING FAIRLY EXPEDITIOUSLY, SO THAT'LL GIVE MORE TIME FOR EIGHT TO GET ITEMS 9 AND 10 OUT OF THE WAY.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE REST OF IT IN ORDER THOUGH.
I'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS THIS EVENING.
>> NO COMMENTS THIS EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU.
>> IN TERMS OF CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS, JUST IN CASE,
[4. Chairman Comments]
SOME OF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE IN TERMS OF HOW IT WORKS, WHAT WE'LL DO ON EACH ITEM IS STAFF WILL PRESENT A REPORT AND A PRESENTATION.THEN THE APPLICANTS WILL COME UP AND, USUALLY JUST Q&A, NOT ANY EXTENDED PRESENTATIONS.
REALLY, THE Q&A PART'S MORE HELPFUL IN EXECUTIVE SUMMARIES..THEN WE'LL ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE'LL EITHER DELIBERATE ON IT AND OR WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO COME SPEAK ON AN ITEM GETS UP TO THREE MINUTES TO COMMENT JUST IN RESPECT TO OTHER ITEMS AND OTHER PEOPLE WANTING TO SPEAK.
YOU'LL SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES. THERE'S A LITTLE LIGHT UP THERE.
I'LL EXPLAIN THAT WHENEVER WE GET INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THEN ONCE WE GET THE PUBLIC HEARING UNDERWAY AND OVER WITH, WE'LL DELIBERATE, COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNCIL, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO TONIGHT.
WE'LL DO IT AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE AND START MOVING THROUGH THE AGENDA NOW,
[5. Consider: Approval of the minutes for the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on September 5, 2024. ]
INCLUDING ITEM NUMBER 5, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON SEPTEMBER 5TH.WE'VE ALL BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THOSE.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 5 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH ARE THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 5, 2024, MEETING.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> THAT'S GOOD. LET'S GO TO VOTE, PLEASE.
WE'LL GO AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, AND AGAIN, WE'LL DO ITEMS 6, 7, 9, 10, AND THEN BACK TO 8.
FOLLOWING THAT, WE'LL HAVE A SIGNBOARD MEETING FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT REALLY WANT TO STICK AROUND FOR SOME EXCITEMENT, SO MORE TO COME.
ITEM NUMBER 6 IS WHAT WE'LL START WITH FOR NOW,
[6. Consider: ZA24-0047, Specific Use Permit for a Mass Gathering for Southlake Spring Festival (Springfest) to be held in a portion of Southlake Town Square, generally located between E. Southlake Blvd., Carroll Ave., Prospect St., Federal Way, and Central Ave., City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas. Current Zoning: "DT" Downtown District. SPIN Neighborhood #8 PUBLIC HEARING]
SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR MASS GATHERING FOR SOUTHLAKE SPRING FESTIVAL.>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MASS GATHERING FOR SOUTHLAKE SPRING FESTIVAL OR SPRING FEST, AND THAT'S TO BE HELD IN SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE.
THE EVENT IS GENERALLY CENTERED AROUND RUSTIN AND FAMILY PARK AND THE SURROUNDING ROADS.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS DT, DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.
THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED 2025 SITE MAP.
IT'S A ONE-DAY EVENT. THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE IT ON FEBRUARY 1ST.
THEY'LL HAVE THEIR SET UP THE NIGHT BEFORE STARTING AT 10:00 PM.
THE VENDOR TENTS, TRUCKS, ALL THAT EVENT SETUP WILL BE COMPLETED TWO HOURS BEFORE THE START OF THE EVENT.
THE TIME FRAME IS 11:00 AM TO 4:00 PM.
AND THEY'RE ESTIMATING 3,000-5,000 ATTENDEES.
THE 5,000 ATTENDEES IS IN FUTURE YEARS.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR A FIVE-YEAR APPROVAL OF THIS SUP.
LAST YEAR, WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED, IT WAS APPROVED FOR A ONE-YEAR TIME PERIOD.
IT WAS THEIR FIRST TIME COMING IN FOR THIS SUP.
THEY'LL HAVE CULTURAL PROGRAMS AND YOUTH ACTIVITIES, FOOD STATIONS, HANDICRAFTS, ART, JEWELRY.
THEY ARE ASKING IF THERE'S WEATHER CONDITIONS LIKE RAIN OR SNOW THAT THEY CAN MOVE THE START AND END TIME BY UP TO TWO HOURS.
THEY DO HAVE A COMMITTEE TO COORDINATE THE EVENT PLANNING.
WELL, IN THE 2025 EVENT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE UP TO 10 FOOD TRUCKS.
GOING FORWARD INTO 2029, THEY'RE EXPECTING ABOUT 15.
THEY'RE PLANNING TO HAVE 55 TENTS IN 2025 AND GROWING THAT AT ABOUT 10% EACH YEAR.
THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY WILL HAVE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES DURING THE EVENT, AND THAT THEY'LL APPLY FOR THE TIBC PERMIT AND FOLLOW ALL THE NECESSARY GUIDELINES.
THIS IS THEIR EXPECTED GROWTH AND THEIR BACKUP DATES.
FOR 2025, AS I SAID, THEY WANT TO HAVE IT ON FEBRUARY 1ST,
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THEIR BACKUP DATE IS FEBRUARY 8TH, AND THESE ARE THE DATES FOR THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS.THEY'RE EXPECTING ABOUT 2,500 IN 2025 AND GROWING TO 4,500 IN 2029 UP TO 5,000.
THIS IS THEIR EVENT TIMELINE, WHICH WAS SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR.
WE HAVE RECEIVED NO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> I KNOW THEY'VE HAD THIS EVENT IN SOME FORM OR FASHION OVER THE LAST 2-3 YEARS.
I GUESS, ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY SIDE ON THAT IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S GONE OR ANYTHING?
>> IT'S BEEN A WELL-RUN EVENT.
THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS.
>> THEN TYPICALLY WITH THESE WHEN THEY START REACHING THIS KIND OF SCALE, DO WE HAVE A PRECEDENT WE TYPICALLY FOLLOW IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, WHETHER IT'S THREE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS ON THESE, JUST GIVEN THAT THEORETICALLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE RAMPING UP IN TERMS OF SIZE?
>> WE DO HAVE WHAT I WOULD SAY, A TYPICAL STANDARD.
I THINK IT'S BEEN EVALUATED EVENT.
IF IT'S WITHIN YOUR ABILITY TO APPROVE THAT WITH A LESSER TIME FRAME, A TWO-YEAR, THREE-YEAR, WHATEVER YOU FEEL APPROPRIATE.
>> WE'LL MAYBE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND DELIBERATE ON IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? WON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND COME FORWARD, PLEASE.
COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM REAL QUICK.
WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS.
PLEASE FOR ANYONE WHO COMES UP HERE THIS EVENING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
>> LELE JOE [PHONETIC] HERE. I LIVE IN [INAUDIBLE] LANE.
>> I GUESS ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD ADD TO THAT IN TERMS OF JUST THE REQUEST THIS EVENING, OR YOU WANT TO COMMENT.
>> I GUESS IT SOUNDED LIKE, LOGISTICALLY, EVERYTHING WENT FINE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND THE THOUGHT IS THAT IT'S GOING TO GROW A LITTLE BIT BIGGER AND YOU DO A MORE FORMAL SUP REQUEST AND BLOCK OFF MORE SPACE.
>> YEAH. WE AT LEAST [INAUDIBLE] EXPECT GROWTH IN CASE THAT HAPPENS.
>> GROWTH. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF EITHER THREE OR FIVE YEARS.
THE ONLY REASON WE MIGHT LEAN TOWARDS THREE IS IF IT STARTS TO GROW, THAT'S WHERE AFTER THREE YEARS, WE MIGHT WANT TO JUST RE-EXAMINE IT AND JUST MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT SCOPE ON IT.
>> WE DID THIS FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS ALREADY.
IT'S, I WOULD SAY, KIND OF SIMILAR AND MAYBE TODAY I DON'T EXPECT A LOT OF CHANGE FROM THAT ACTUALLY BASED ON THAT.
I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT'S OUR CONCERN IS THE WEATHER BECAUSE WE NEVER HAVE A GOOD WEATHER.
I GOT SNOWED OUT, I THINK, ONE OF THE TIMES IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
I SAW YOU BUILT THE FLEXIBILITY IN HERE FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT IN THIS ONE? I THINK YOU'RE GOOD. IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK. THANK YOU FOR COMING UP.
>> ITEM NUMBER 6 ON OUR AGENDA DOES CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING, SO ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE FEEL FREE.
SEEING NO ONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE.
>> I THINK THREE YEARS IS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE.
THEN, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GETTING LARGER, THEN IT'D PROBABLY BE GOOD TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME.
>> SEE EXACTLY IF IT DOES GROW AND HOW WE SHOULD APPROACH IT.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S CAUSING ANY UNDUE HARDSHIP ON THEM FOR THREE YEARS.
>> I THINK I'M FINE WITH THAT IF OTHERS ARE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? THOUGHTS?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 6ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER ZA 24-00047, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 13, 2024, AND SUBJECT TO THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 1 DATED AUGUST 21, 2024, BUT NOTING THAT THE TERM OF THIS SUP IS THREE YEARS.
>> I THINK WE'VE GOT A GOOD MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH DENNIS WOULD TELL US WOULD BE IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER.
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NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 7.
[7. Consider: ZA24-0049, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for 1039 Burney Lane, on property described as Tract 2A, J. Childress Survey Abstract No. 254, and located at 1039 Burney Ln., City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas. Current Zoning: "AG" Agricultural District. Requested Zoning: "SF-1A" Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #2 PUBLIC HEARING ]
THIS ITEM, WE HEARD IN OUR WORK SESSION IN SOME DETAIL, SO I THINK MAYBE JUST HITTING THE HIGHLIGHTS WOULD BE HELPFUL.IT'S A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 1039 BURNEY LANE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF BURNEY LANE AND NORTH CARROLL AVENUE.
THE LAND USE PLAN IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY THREE AND A QUARTER ACRE WITH AN EXISTING HOME ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS A SURVEY AND CONCEPT PLAN OF THE PROPERTY.
EXISTING HOME SITE WOULD BE ON A LOT ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND A NEW HOME SITE.
ON THE EASTERN, WE'LL POINT OUT THAT IN THE REVIEW SUMMARY, THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THE BUILDING SETBACK ALONG THE SIDE STREET FRONTAGE BE A MINIMUM OF 40 FEET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE INSTALLED WITH CONSTRUCTION OF ANY NEW HOME ON EITHER OF THE LOTS.
WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
>> DENNIS, IT'S NOTED IN THE APPLICATION THAT I GUESS WE ARE GETTING THE RIGHT AWAY ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THAT LOT.
I THINK WE CAN MAYBE TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK WE WANTED TO NOTE IN THE MOTION THAT WE DO CONSIDER THE FRONT SIDE OF THE LOT ALONG BURNEY LANE.
WE'LL STILL GET THE RIGHT OF WAY EVEN IF WE GRANT THE SIDEWALK VARIANCE, AND WE CAN GET THOSE FUNDS PUT IN THE ESCROW.
>> IN LIEU OF JUST GRANTING AN OUTRIGHT VARIANCE, YES, YOU CAN REQUIRE THAT THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION OF A FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK WITH EITHER NEW HOME SITE THAT MAY OCCUR.
I WILL POINT OUT ON THE CORNER LOT, IT WOULD REQUIRE FIVE-FOOT SIDE SIDEWALK ALONG BURNEY AND THE FULL LENGTH OF CARROLL AVENUE.
YOU COULD REQUIRE THAT THAT JUST BE ESCROWED WITH CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW HOME SITE.
>> DENNIS, THE SETBACK FACING WHERE THE EXISTING HOUSES WOULD STILL REMAIN AT 20 FEET?
>> THE SETBACK ON THE FUTURE BUILDING LOT, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE CARROLL SIDE MAKING THAT 40-FOOT SETBACK.
>> CORRECT. YEAH, 40-FOOT FRONT BUILDING LINE IS REQUIRED ALONG THE CARROLL FRONTAGE AND A 40-FOOT BUILDING LINE IS ALSO REQUIRED ALONG THE SIDE STREET FRONTAGE.
>> GOT YOU, BUT THE SIDE THAT FACES THE EXISTING HOUSE NOW, THAT WILL REMAIN AT 20?
>> YES. THE MINIMUM THERE WOULD BE 20-FOOT. YES.
>> JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR. THANKS.
>> DENNIS, I HAVE A QUESTION. I NOTICED THAT PORTION ON THE NEWER LOT HAS A PROPOSED 30-FOOT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE EXISTING, THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OF JUST HAVING THEM DEDICATE THAT AREA THAT'S UNDER AN EASEMENT IN THE ROADWAY RIGHT NOW AND JUST DEDICATE THAT AS WELL IN FEE?
>> YES. THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A PLAT FOR THIS.
IT WILL LIKELY BE PROCESSED AS A TWO-LOT PLAT SHOWING THAT WOULD COME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION AND THEN TO CITY COUNCIL, AND WE WOULD REQUIRE THE RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION BE MADE AS PART OF THAT SUBDIVISION PLAT.
THAT INGRESS-EGRESS AND WHATEVER THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS WOULD BECOME PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
>> DENNIS, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS IN WORK SESSION, BUT I GUESS WOULD THIS BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME OF THE PROCESS TO NOTE THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE ON SOME OF THESE OTHER STREETS WHERE THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR SOME STACKING DEPTH WITHIN THE DRIVEWAY, MAYBE A CIRCULAR DRIVE OR SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS FOR THE AMAZON TRUCKS OF THE WORLD, ETC, TO PULL OFF OF THE ROAD, PULL INTO THE DRIVEWAY?
>> YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IN YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS CONCEPT PLAN THAT IF THERE'S ANY FENCING OR GATING OF THE DRIVEWAYS THAT THEY BE OFFSET FROM THE ROAD TO ACCOMMODATE AT LEAST A SINGLE VEHICLE STACK OR WHATEVER FEELS APPROPRIATE.
>> I GUESS, I'D SAY MAYBE IT FOLLOWS LIKE THE CASE THAT WE JUST DID ON SOUTH CARROLL RIGHT NEAR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHERE I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT ANY FENCING ALLOWS FOR SOME DELIVERY TRUCK TO PULL IN OFF THE STREET.
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THERE'S A SETBACK THERE, A PREFERENCE, I THINK FOR SOME KIND OF DRIVEWAY THAT ALLOWS FOR VISITING CARS TO BE OFF THE STREET OR AT LEAST A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THEM.IT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE ON SOME OF THE OTHER LOTS LIKE THIS, AND THEN MAYBE THE PREFERENCE FOR WROUGHT IRON, IF THERE'S FENCING, ON THE FRONT PART OF THE LOT AT LEAST.
JUST ALL THE SAME CRITERIA WE'VE USED ON SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.
>> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE CAN DO THAT.
>> MAYBE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO NOTE THAT IN THE MOTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THIS ITEM? WON'T YOU COME ON UP IF YOU DON'T MIND AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?
>> MY NAME IS MARK COX. I LIVE AT 10: 39 BURNEY LANE.
>> I GUESS YOU HEARD SOME OF THE DIALOGUE.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU HEARD THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH?
>> NOT AT ALL. I THINK THE THOUGHT WAS TO HAVE THE HOME ENTRANCE OFF OF BURNEY TO PUT IT ON THE LESS TRAFFICKED ROAD.
SOME OF THE OTHER CRITERIA WE PUT ON SOME OF THE OTHER LOTS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP TRAFFIC OFF OF THE STREET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO KEEP IT FLOWING, SO SOME STACKING DEPTH, CIRCULAR DRIVE, AND SOME WROUGHT IRON ON THE FRONT, JUST TO PREVENT THE PRISON WALL LOOK.
ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA OF TOWN, THAT, IT'S A LITTLE MORE RURAL FIELDS.
THEN ESCROWING, I GUESS ANY SIDEWALK FUNDS, BUT NOT BUILDING IT, GIVEN THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CHARACTER OF THIS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> I KNOW THEY'LL REQUIRE A SIDEWALK ON THE SPLIT PROPERTY.
WILL THEY REQUIRE A SIDEWALK ON OUR PROPERTY OR THIS WEST STAFF?
>> I'LL LET DENNIS ANSWER. GO AHEAD, DENNIS.
>> CONSTRUCTION ON THE EXISTING HOME SITE WOULD ONLY BE TRIGGERED IF NEW CONSTRUCTION IS DONE TO THE SIDE, AN ADDITION TO THE HOME OR NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION.
>> I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO, BUT GETTING THE DEDICATION OF THE RIGHT AWAY WOULD BE GREAT THAT WAY BECAUSE NONE OF US UP HERE KNOW WHAT IT'LL BE LIKE IN 30 YEARS FROM NOW AND IF THE CITY MIGHT NEED IT OR NOT, SO THAT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL.
I THINK WE CAPTURED EVERYTHING? ANYTHING?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER 7 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYBODY YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOT THAT. CAPTURED.
>> ANY OTHER SING ESCROW IN LIEU OF THE FUND. YES.
WELL, GRANTING THE VARIANCE, BUT ALSO NOTING THAT ANY REQUIRED SIDEWALKS, WHILE THE VARIANCE IS BEING GRANTED, WE WOULD LIKE THE FUNDS BEING TO BE PUT UP IN ESCROW FOR A FUTURE DATE, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> JUST GRANTING THE VARIANCE.
YOU COULD JUST SPECIFY NOT REQUIRING CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALK, BUT ESCROWING OF THE FUNDS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION HERE?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 7 ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER A 24-0049, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2024 AND SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2024, AND NOTING THAT IN LIEU OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALKS, THAT THE APPLICANT WILL ESCROW THE FUNDS FOR THE SIDEWALK, AND NOTING THAT IF THERE IS A FENCE TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE DRIVEWAYS THAT BLOCKS THE DRIVEWAYS, THAT THEY WILL CONSIDER A SETBACK AND WORK WITH STAFF, THAT IT'S A CONSIDERABLE ENOUGH SETBACK THAT ALLOWS FOR DELIVERY TRUCKS TO COME OFF THE MAIN STREET AND THAT THE CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL WOULD BE WROUGHT IRON CONSTRUCTION.
CONSIDER A CIRCULAR DRIVE OR SOME DRIVEWAY CONSIDER THAT ALLOW FOR CARS TO BE DRIVE PARKED ON OFF OF THE STREET, I THINK.
>> IS THAT GOOD? WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
PASS THE 60 CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK.
IF YOU MAKE IT TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ON OCTOBER 1ST.
WITH THAT, WE'LL SKIP OVER ITEM 8 BRIEFLY, BUT I PROMISE WE'LL HUSTLE THROUGH THE NEXT TWO.
[9. Consider: ZA24-0052, Site Plan for 104 and 112 River Oaks Dr., on property described as Lots 3 and 5, Block 1 River Oaks Addition, and located at 104 and 112 River Oaks Dr., City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #11. PUBLIC HEARING ]
ITEM NUMBER 9 IS THE NEXT ONE.[00:20:01]
WE ALSO HEARD THIS ONE IN OUR WORK SESSION.IT'S A SITE PLAN FOR 104 AND 112 RIVER OAKS DRIVE AND DENNIS, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYBE JUST GETTING THE REAL HIGH POINTS ON THIS.
>> SURE. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE PART OF A SP2 ZONING AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE RIVER OAKS SUBDIVISION.
LAND USE ON THIS OFFICE COMMERCIAL AND SP2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT ZONING.
THIS IS THE APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN FOR THAT SITE, AND THESE TWO LOT THREE AND FIVE ARE THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN BUILDING SITES.
THESE ARE THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES FOR BUILDING ELEVATION WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
APPLICANT'S PROPOSING THE STYLE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
AND THESE ARE THE TWO BUILDING SITES AND THE ELEVATIONS FOR THOSE BUILDINGS.
LANDSCAPE PLAN VIEW OF THE FRONTAGE, AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> DENNIS, ALL THE REQUEST IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH ALL PREVIOUS APPROVALS, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE?
>> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT ATTENDANCE IS REQUIRED, SO THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP.
THAT'S DULY NOTED FOR THE RECORD, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THAT ONE IN TERMS OF THE APPLICANT.
ITEM NUMBER 9 DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE FEEL FREE.
SEEING NO ONE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET A MOTION?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 9 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, CASE NUMBER Z 24-0052, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2024, AND SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2024.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? VOTE, PLEASE, 60 CONGRATULATIONS, AND GOOD LUCK TO CITY COUNCIL. I THINK YOU KNOW THE DRILL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS
[10. Consider: ZA24-0053, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for 1393 Brown Lane, on property described as Tract 1G04, J. Heirs Survey Abstract No. 253, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas. Current Zoning: "AG" Agricultural District. Requested Zoning: "SF-1A" Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #5. PUBLIC HEARING ]
A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 13 93 BURNEY LANE.WE ALSO HEARD THIS ONE IN OUR WORK SESSION.
DENNIS, I GUESS, SAME THOUGHT HERE.
MAYBE JUST HIT THE HIGH POINTS ON THAT CERTAINLY.
>> PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 13 93 BURNEY LANE, WHICH IS A PRIVATE ROADWAY EASEMENT.
THIS IS PART OF AN UNRECORDED SUBDIVISION OFF OF RANDOM MILL AVENUE.
PROPERTY OWNERS REQUESTING CHANGE ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY FROM AGRICULTURAL TO SF 1A, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THAT IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ON LAND USE PLAN.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.
VARIANCE TO STREET FRONTAGE FOR THIS TRACT IS BEING REQUESTED AS PART OF THE CONCEPT PLAN.
IF SUCH VARIANCE IS GRANTED, IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED THAT IT MEET AT LEAST THE MINIMUM FIRE ACCESS AND PROTECTION STANDARDS.
VACANT HAS INDICATED THEY WILL BE EXTENDING AN EIGHT INCH WATER LINE TO THE PROPERTY, AND THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE FRONTAGE.
AND THE ROAD WILL BE REPAIRED TO MEET AT LEAST MINIMUM ACCESS STANDARDS FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES AND BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> DENNIS, I GUESS, IF WE GRANT THE PUBLIC STREET VARIANCE INHERENT WITHIN THAT, IS THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S COLLABORATION AMONGST THE RESIDENTS OF THAT STREET THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN FOR THE WATER LINE, AND THAT THAT'S CONDITIONS ON PULLING BUILDING PERMITS, ETC.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, DENNIS.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? WON'T COME ON, MAYBE NAME AND ADDRESS, AND WE'LL JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUICK QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.
I LIVE AT 701 SARATOGA LANE IN SOUTH LAKE.
I'M THE BUILDER. I'M THE BUILDER AND DEVELOPER.
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I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A LAND OWNER FOR QUITE SOME TIME.OUR COMPANY, ALBI GROUP, WE DESIGN AND BUILD.
WE DESIGNED A HOUSE FOR HIM, CAME UP WITH A SITE PLAN AND THE HCE ENGINEERING, PUT THE SITE PLAN TOGETHER.
ORIGINALLY, WE TRIED TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST AT THE BILTMORE ON BILTMORE, WHICH IS EAST OF THE PROPERTY, TO SEE IF WE CAN ACCESS FROM THERE, AND THEY UNANIMOUSLY DECLINED.
THIS IS THE WORK AROUND TO BE ABLE TO GO HERE.
THERE'S A HOME BEING BUILT ACROSS THE STREET ON BURNEY, WHICH DUE TO A WATER STUDY, THEY PRETTY MUCH TAPPED OUT THE REMAINING CAPACITY OF THE TWO INCH EXISTING WATER LINE.
WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND UPGRADE THE WATER LINE, AND SOUTH LAKE REQUIRES A AN EIGHT INCH MINIMUM.
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
THE OWNER IS WORKING WITH THE NEW HOME ACROSS THE STREET TO SHARE THE COST OF THAT, BUT EVEN IF THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, THE OWNER IS WILLING TO GO AHEAD AND FRONT THE COST OF IT.
BUT IT'S TAKEN US SOME TIME AND IT WAS MOSTLY SPENT TRYING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON BILTMORE TO SEE IF WE CAN GO THROUGH THEIRS BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MUCH CLEANER DEAL, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND HERE'S WHERE WE ARE.
>> NO. THANK YOU. IT MAKES SENSE.
>> TELL ME ABOUT WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS FOR THE STREET, REPAIRING THE STREET AND BRINGING IT UP TO FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS.
WE NEED TO DO WE'RE GOING TO UPGRADE THE EXISTING TWO INCH WATER LINE TO AN EIGHT INCH WATER LINE.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE STREET? ACTUALLY, THE PACE IT'S A TURNAROUND.
BASICALLY, AT THE END OF THE STREET, WHICH IS NOT SHOWN ON THIS SITE PLAN, THE STREET WE CALL IT STREET.
IT'S PAVEMENT, AND IT'S PRETTY.
IT ENDS HALFWAY WHERE THE FRONTAGE IS.
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND EXTEND IT TO THE END OF THE FRONTAGE AND PUT A CUL DE SAC THERE THAT WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO PROVIDE FIRE TURNAROUND FOR US AND FOR THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S NOT IT.
>> I'M ENVISIONING SOMETHING LIKE OUR LANE THAT OUR LANE IS JUST ACROSS THE STREET.
YES. FROM THIS. THEY BASICALLY HAD THE SAME SITUATION.
THEY FINALLY CAME BACK IN AND PUT IT, DID A NICE JOB ON THE STREET.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT LEVEL YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'LL JUST DO A TURNAROUND THAT'S SUFFICIENT FOR A FIRE LANE, NOT A FULL NOT A HAMMERHEAD, BUT A CUL DE SAC.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.
>> ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA, DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
ANYBODY I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT.
ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT, PLEASE DO.
SEEING NO ONE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 10.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, CASE NUMBER A 24-0053, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2024, AND SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT SITE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2024, AND NOTING THAT FOR THE VARIANCE APPROVAL, THAT IT NEEDS TO MEET MINIMUM FIRE ACCESS STANDARDS.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK, CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 1ST. YOU CAN MAKE THE DEADLINE.
NOW, WE'LL GO TO THE LAST ITEM ON OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
ITEM NUMBER 8. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND LETTING US GRIND THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK.
[8. Consider: ZA24-0051, Zoning Change and Site Plan and Zoning Change and Development Plan for Forefront Senior Living on property described as Lots 1A, 1B, 2, and 3, Parker's Corner Addition, and Tract 2A02, J. Allen Survey Abstract No. 18, and located at 300-684 Davis Blvd., City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas. Current Zoning: "RE5" Residential Estate District and "SF-1A" Single Family Residential District. Proposed Zoning: "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District and "TZD" Transition Zoning District. SPIN Neighborhood #11 PUBLIC HEARING ]
NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO ITEM NUMBER 8, WHICH IS ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN AND THE ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR FOREFRONT SENIOR LIVING.THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO SEEK APPROVAL OF A ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AS WELL AS A SITE PLAN FOR AN AGE RESTRICTED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY.
THE LOCATION IS 306 84 DAVIS BOULEVARD.
THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.
THE FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED USE AND FLOODPLAIN.
THE ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL ESTATE AND SF1 A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT AND SITE PLAN.
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THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO DO TWO ZONING CHANGES AS PART OF THIS ONE DEVELOPMENT CASE BECAUSE THE TWO PIECES GO TOGETHER.THE ONE SIDE IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE SP1 ZONING, AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE IS THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT IS APPROXIMATELY 10 ACRES AND IT'S 20 UNITS.
THE SP 1 IS APPROXIMATELY 11 ACRES WITH UP TO 190 UNITS.
OVERALL, APPROXIMATELY 21 ACRES WITH 210 UNITS.
IT COMES OUT OVERALL FOR THE ENTIRE SITE IS 10 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT COMPONENT.
THEY ARE PROPOSING A MINIMUM LOT AREA OF 5,500 SQUARE FEET.
IT IS 20 LOTS, AND THESE LOTS ARE RUNNING ON A PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENT AND THAT WILL MEET FIRE DEPARTMENT STANDARDS.
THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 50 FEET, AND THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS TWO STORIES.
THE SETBACKS ARE 20 FEET FOR THE FRONT AND FIVE FEET OR 10 FEET ON THE SIDE AND 10 FEET FOR THE REAR.
THESE ARE THE PROPOSED RENDERINGS FOR THE COTTAGES, A TWO STORY AND A SINGLE STORY OPTION.
MOVING ON TO THE SITE PLAN FOR THE SP1 COMPONENT OF THE APPLICATION.
THIS IS A THREE TO FOUR STORY INDEPENDENT LIVING MEMORY SUPPORT, AND ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
THE BOTTOM STORES THE GROUND FLOOR IN THE REAR IS WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE WOULD BE.
THEY ARE PROPOSING 386,560 SQUARE FEET FOR INDEPENDENT LIVING, 19,746 SQUARE FEET FOR ASSISTED LIVING AND 10,665 SQUARE FEET FOR MEMORY SUPPORT.
THAT COMES OUT TO 190 TOTAL UNITS WITH 158 FOR INDEPENDENT LIVING, 16 FOR ASSISTED LIVING, AND 16 FOR MEMORY SUPPORT.
THEY ARE PROVIDING APPROXIMATELY 6.6 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, WHICH COMES OUT TO 60%.
THE AREA OF PERVISE COVERAGE IS 46%.
THIS IS AN OVERALL LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS THE FENCING PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
THEY ARE NOT WANTING TO FENCE IN BETWEEN THE TWO COMPONENTS HERE, AND THEN THEY'RE HAVING THE FENCE FOLLOW ALONG HERE INSTEAD OF ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE MAXIMUM FENCE HEIGHT IS SIX FEET FOR THE PERIMETER FENCING.
I JUST HAVE A FEW OF THE RENDERINGS IN HERE.
THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE THEIR OWN PRESENTATION, WHICH SHOWS SOME ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS AND PERSPECTIVE VIEWS.
THIS IS THE EAST ELEVATION AND OVERALL SITE RENDERING.
THIS IS OUR SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER MAP.
WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION WITHIN THE 300 FEET BOUNDARY AND ONE WITHIN THE 200 FEET BOUNDARY.
AND AS OF 4:00 TODAY, THERE WERE 12 ADDITIONAL RESPONSES RECEIVED THAT WERE OUTSIDE THE 300 FEET.
I BE THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT REAL QUICK HERE, WHIPS. LET ME GO BACK TO THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO NOT REAL QUICK.
THERE ARE MEDIANS PLANED ON DAVIS BOULEVARD.
THESE ARE PRELIMINARY PLANS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM TEXTO.
THEY ARE SHOWING THE MEDIAN OPENING AT VISTA RIDGE, AND THERE IS NO OPENING AT SUNSET BOULEVARD.
>> AS I NOTED, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE THEIR OWN PRESENTATION, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> IN TERMS OF THE LAND USE PLAN, AGAIN, I GUESS THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN, NOT THAT THAT GUARANTEES ZONING OR ANYTHING, BUT IT IS CONSISTENT.
>> YES. IT'S A MIXED USE LAND.
[OVERLAPPING] UNDERLYING LAND USE.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS RIGHT NOW? THANK YOU.
I'M ASSUMING THE APPLICANT IS HERE SOMEWHERE OUT THERE.
IF YOU WOULD MIND MAKING YOUR WAY UP HERE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD,
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AND MAYBE DO YOUR, AGAIN.THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S TURN TO PRESENT, MA'AM.
THIS ISN'T A PUBLIC HEARING YET.
>> [NOISE] EXCUSE ME, TIM MALLET, FOR FRONT LIVING 12467 MERRITT DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
I WILL SPEND ABOUT THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE MINUTES TELLING YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FOREFRONT LIVING IN OUR 60 YEAR HISTORY, AND THEN THERE WILL BE OTHER PRESENTERS AFTER ME IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD HERE.
>> STAFF CAN GO TO HELP YOU THAT.
>> PLEASE BE IN HERE. [OVERLAPPING] PLEASE HERE WE GUY TO TRY TO KEEP IT SUCCINCT.
>> I'LL KEEP IT VERY SUCCINCT.
FOREFRONT LIVING HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 1962.
SERVING SENIORS OF THE METROPLEX, COMMITTED LEADERSHIP TEAM WITH MORE THAN 100 YEARS OF LEADERSHIP EXPERIENCE, VOLUNTEER TEXAS BASED BOARD.
THESE ARE THE FOREFRONT ENTITY LIVINGS AS THEY EXIST NOW.
FOREFRONT LIVING IS A PARENT CORPORATION IN DALLAS.
WE HAVE FOREFRONT LIVING HOSPICE, PART OF WHICH IS A TIBOON PICKENS HOSPICE IN DALLAS, PRESBYTERIAN VILLAGE NORTH, CELEBRATING ITS 45TH YEAR NEXT YEAR.
THE OUTLOOK AT WINDHAVEN, WHICH JUST OPENED IN PLANO, TEXAS, AND BELLA VIDA, WHICH IS AT LA CANTERA IN SAN ANTONIO, WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING SOLD VERY SIMPLE VISION TO BE THE INNOVATIVE PARTNER THAT EMPOWERS INDIVIDUALS TO THRIVE.
MISSION IS EQUALLY AS SIMPLE TO MAKE EACH MOMENT MATTER FOR THOSE WE SERVE.
OUR VALUES ARE DIVERSITY, INTEGRITY, STEWARDSHIP, AND COMPASSION.
THE INTEGRITY PIECE, YOU'LL HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER FROM STEVEN ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DO TO COMMUNICATE, HOW WE WANT TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.
VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION.
WE'LL TALK VERY QUICKLY ABOUT WHAT CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
SOUTHLAKE IS FAMILIAR WITH SENIOR LIVING.
I CAN TELL YOU LIKE WATER MERE, WHERE AGE RESTRICTED.
RESIDENTS ARE 62 YEARS OF AGE OR YOUNGER.
HOWEVER, THIS IS AN ENTRY FEE BASED INDEPENDENT LIVING PRODUCT.
AN INDIVIDUAL IS PAYING AN ENTRY FEE.
IT IS NOT A RENTAL ARRANGEMENT.
THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF STAY IS TYPICALLY ABOUT 14 YEARS IN 2028, WHEN THIS OPENS, AVERAGE ENTRY FEE FOR A RESIDENTS WILL BE AROUND A MILLION DOLLARS.
AVERAGE MONTHLY SERVICE FEE WILL BE AROUND $6,000.
THE YOUNGER RESIDENT STAYS LONGER AND SAY THAT TYPICAL YEARS, 14 YEARS VERSUS A RENTAL WHERE IT'S ABOUT 4.5 YEARS.
THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE WHAT WE WOULD CALL IT DOT DENSITY MAP WHERE AGE AND INCOME QUALIFIED SENIORS EXIST.
THE IMPORTANT PART ABOUT THIS MAP IS AS WE WERE MARKETING PLANO, WE ENCOUNTERED OVER 20 SOUTHLAKE RESIDENTS SHOWING INTEREST BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT A PRODUCT LIKE THIS IN SOUTHLAKE, WHICH THEN SPURRED OUR INTEREST IN FINDING A SITE, AND THE NUMBERS CAME BACK TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY REPRESENT A LARGE NUMBER OF CONSTITUENTS IN THE MARKET.
IT'S A LONG TERM STABLE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I JUST TOLD YOU PV HAS BEEN HERE 45 YEARS.
WE'RE NOT BUILDING SOMETHING TO SELL AND FLIP.
WE'RE HERE FOR THE LONG RUN, I WANT TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.
JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF THE HIGH END NATURE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THIS IS PRESBYTERIAN VILLAGE NORTH.
I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE IS, THIS IS A 45-YEAR-OLD CAMPUS JUST UNDERWENT RE-IMAGINING.
IT HAPPENED DURING COVID, SO THE RESIDENTS SAID THEY GOT CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED, AND THEY WERE WELCOMED BY NEW COMMONS WHEN ALL THE LOCKDOWNS STOPPED.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE OUTLOOK AT WINDHAVEN, WHICH IS IN PLANO AND JUST OPENED.
AGAIN, VERY LIFESTYLE, FOCUS, VERY AMENITY RICH, VERY FOCUSED ON LIFESTYLE.
THESE ARE THE PRELIMINARY RENDERINGS FOR BELLA VIDA.
AGAIN, IT'S THE LA CANTERA AREA.
YOU'LL NOTICE IN ALL OF THESE, THERE'S A COMMITMENT TO THE OUTDOORS.
WE'RE EXCITED BY WHAT THIS REPRESENTS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TREES AND THE GREEN BELT OPPORTUNITY WITH THE FLOODPLAIN.
AT FULL STABILIZATION, YOU'LL SEE ABOUT 90 FTES OR FULL TIME EQUIVALENTS, A LITTLE BIT MORE WHEN YOU ADD PART TIME STAFFING WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT EMPLOYEES.
THE MAJORITY OF THE TEAMMATES WILL BE ON THE SERVICE SIDE IN DINING AND THEN ON THE ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY SUPPORT SIDE, WHICH ARE A SMALL COMPONENT AS 16 RESIDENCES EACH.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTER.
>> THERE YOU ARE. NAME AND ADDRESS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, COMMISSION. MY NAME IS STEPHEN COOK.
I'M A SENIOR PLANNER WITH DUNAWAY ASSOCIATES, 550 BAILEY AVENUE IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS.
THE SITE, THANK YOU FOR STAFF FOR SUCH A GREAT PRESENTATION ON OUR SITE.
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THE SITE IS GOING TO BE PREDOMINANTLY DEVELOPED ADJACENT TO DAVIS BOULEVARD.BUT IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROJECT WAS OF THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE, AND ALSO OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE SITE.
IN ADDITION TO COMING AND PRESENTING TO YOU.
WE HAVE SPENT THE PAST YEAR TALKING TO OUR NEIGHBORS, TALKING TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, TALKING TO THEM.
WE'VE MET WITH THE CORD OR OLAY COMMITTEE TWICE IN THE PAST YEAR.
WE'VE ALSO MET WITH TWO SPIN MEETINGS, AND INDEPENDENTLY, WE SENT OUT NOTICES TO 75 SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS AND HELD A PUBLIC MEETING FOR THEM TO COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE AT THE MARK.
WE HAD SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY FOR US TO EXPLAIN WHAT THIS PROJECT WAS.
THEN ALSO HAD SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS AND BROUGHT THEIR OTHER FRIENDS FROM THE HOAS IN ORDER TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AT A SECOND MEETING.
THE BIGGEST ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT IS THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS PART OF THE LONG RANGE PLANNING OF SOUTHLAKE.
WE LOOKED AT NOT ONLY HOW THIS SITE IS AND WHERE IT'S DEVELOPED AND HOW THIS PROJECT IS WORKING, BUT ALSO THE FLOODPLAIN THAT IS PART OF THIS PROJECT ON THE WEST SIDE OF IT.
AS PART OF THAT, WE ARE LOOKING AT OF ALMOST 14 ACRES OF IT IS WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN IN THE LONG RANGE PLAN FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
THERE IS A MASTER PARKS PLAN THAT DOES HAVE SEVERAL ELEMENTS OF IT OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE NEW TRAILS MAKING CONNECTION TO THAT.
THIS PROJECT IS COMMITTING TO PUTTING TOGETHER A TRAIL THAT IS PART OF A LARGER SYSTEM THAT IS ENVISIONED ON THAT.
IT IS RIGHT OUT OF THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PROJECT IS ALSO GOING TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT IS REQUIRED ALONG DAVIS BOULEVARD.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AT LEAST A 30 FOOT A SETBACK FROM THERE THAT WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING AND TREES, AND WE TALK ABOUT TREES IN SOUTHLAKE QUITE CONSIDERABLY, 71% OF THE TREES THAT ARE ON THE SITE TODAY ARE GOING TO BE PRESERVED.
MOST OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE FLOODPLAIN AREA.
THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ELEMENTS OF THAT TO MAKE THAT AN AMENITY, NOT ONLY FOR OURSELVES, BUT ALSO OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR BACKYARD VIEW, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE TREES ARE PRESERVED FOR THEIR BACKYARD VIEW.
WE HEARD THAT IN OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE HELD.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE PRESERVING AT LEAST 26 TREES ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE OF DAVIS BOULEVARD AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL LANDSCAPING OF THAT SITE.
THEY'LL BE INTEGRATED INTO THE FULL LANDSCAPE PLAN OF THE PROJECT, AND THEY'LL BE LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THAT OPEN SPACE THAT ARE GOING TO BE PROGRAMMED FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
THAT'S ALL THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
THE ONES THAT WILL BE LIVING IN THE COTTAGE ELEMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVING IN THE LARGER STRUCTURE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT.
IT WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FOR FROM THE DIFFERENT LIVING STYLES WITHIN THAT.
USING THE ALL DIFFERENT USES THAT ARE GOING TO BE INTERIOR TO THIS FACILITY IN COOLING WELLNESS AND DINING AND A SMALL AMOUNT OF RETAIL, ALSO, IT IS A PART OF THIS LIFESTYLE THAT REALLY FITS THAT 62 AND OLDER PERSONAGE THAT WANTS TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WHOLE SITE DESIGN AND ELEMENTS IS GOING TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY TOGETHER.
WE DID HAVE WE WILL HAVE UTILITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
THERE'S ADEQUATE FIRE SERVICE CONNECTIONS.
THE INTERIOR ROAD NETWORK IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES WITH ADEQUATE SPACING FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE ALL OF THE STRUCTURES AND BE ABLE TO BACK UP AND TURN AROUND AS APPROPRIATE, AS WELL AS GOING TO HAVE WHERE THE EXTERIOR FENCING IS GOING TO BE.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS PLENTY OF ACCESS TO THE SITE FOR THE DELIVERIES, AND FOR POTENTIAL NEW RESIDENTS TO COME IN AND OR SOMEBODY WHO'S MADE THE WRONG TURN AND BE ABLE TO COME INTO THE SITE AND TURN AROUND AND EXIT BACK ONTO DAVIS BOULEVARD.
WITH THAT, I THINK WE'RE READY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE PROJECT'S GOING TO LOOK FROM THE EXTERIOR.
>> THANK YOU. I'M SCOTT LEVER.
I LIVE AT 875 PV ROAD IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
I'M WITH PRDG ARCHITECTS, WE'RE A BOUTIQUE ARCHITECTURE FIRM THAT SPECIALIZES IN SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, AND WE'RE LOCATED HERE LOCALLY IN DALLAS.
PROJECT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A PREMIER HIGH END SENIOR LIVING PROJECT.
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WE'VE DISCUSSED, THERE'S COTTAGES TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE, INDEPENDENT LIVING RESIDENCES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE AND ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE.I WANTED TO TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS.
THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED, AND THE FUTURE PLAN IS TO HAVE MIXED USE TO THE NORTH.
THE FLOODPLAIN IS HEAVILY VEGETATED WITH LOTS OF TREES, AND TO THE SOUTH OF OUR SITE IS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE.
IT'S CURRENTLY A STORAGE FACILITY.
THEN ACROSS DAVIS BOULEVARD, THE RESIDENTS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS DAVIS IS ELEVATED QUITE A BIT, IT'S ELEVATION IS QUITE A BIT HIGH THAN DAVIS BOULEVARD.
THERE'S A 40 FOOT DROP ACROSS OUR SITE.
DAVIS BOULEVARD IS UP PRETTY HIGH, AND THEN WE DROP DOWN ABOUT 40 FEET ACROSS THE SITE.
WE'VE REALLY USED THAT TO OUR ADVANTAGE TO CREATE ORIENTED BUILDING AND CREATE COURTYARDS THAT OPEN UP TOWARDS THE FLOODPLAIN.
IN ALL, I THINK WE HAVE SIX COURTYARDS TO REALLY MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE AND THE CONNECTIONS TO NATURE.
FROM DAVIS BOULEVARD, WE DROP DOWN ABOUT 10 FEET TO OUR FRONT DOOR.
IT'S ONLY THREE STORIES ON DAVIS BOULEVARD, AND THEN WE'VE PUT ALL THE PARKING ON THE BACK OF THE SITE.
THAT PARKING IS ACCESSED IN A GARAGE ON THE BACK OF THE SITE AND IS HIDDEN FROM VIEW.
THERE'S NOT A SEA OF PARKING THAT WOULD BE UNPLEASANT TO LOOK AT FOR ANYBODY.
THE SIZE OF THE RESIDENCES IN THE PROJECT, THE COTTAGES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE RANGED FROM 2,000 SQUARE FEET TO 2,600 SQUARE FEET.
THE RESIDENCES IN THE MAIN BUILDING OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING, THEY RANGED FROM 900 SQUARE FEET TO 2,400 SQUARE FEET, AND THE ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY SUPPORT RESIDENCES, THEY RANGED FROM 350 FEET TO 730 FEET.
THE IMAGE HERE IS THE MAIN ELEVATION THAT IS FROM DAVIS BOULEVARD, LOOKING AT THE FRONT DOOR.
THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS.
WE WOULD PROPOSE ON THIS MAIN ELEVATION TO HAVE 80% MASONRY, WHICH WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF TEXAS LIMESTONE AND BRICK.
WE WOULD CONTINUE THAT IN THE COTTAGES AS WELL.
WE'D BRING THAT ARCHITECTURE, THAT LANGUAGE THAT STARTED AT THE MAIN BUILDING, BRING THAT DOWN TO THE COTTAGES, AND ENSURE THAT 80% OF THESE PRIMARY ELEVATIONS WOULD HAVE STONE AND BRICK.
THIS VIEW IS THE RENDERING OF THE FRONT DOOR.
WE'VE WORKED TO MAKE IT FEEL A HIGH END RESORT WHEN YOU PULL IN, TO REALLY HAVE THAT WERE FACTOR, THAT FIRST IMPRESSION FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.
WE TOOK INSPIRATION FROM BOTH HOSPITALITY AND RESIDENTIAL DESIGN TRENDS AND INTEGRATED A TRANSITIONAL STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT CAN INFUSE SOME MODERN ELEMENTS, BUT STILL FOR RESIDENTIAL, STILL FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STILL BE A COMFORTABLE BUT MODERN PLACE FOR THE SENIOR LIVING RESIDENTS TO LIVE.
WE REALLY HAVE THOUGHTFULLY CRAFTED THIS PROJECT TO REFLECT A COMMITMENT TO QUALITY AND LUXURY WHILE MAINTAINING A WELCOMING RESIDENTIAL FEEL THAT WILL FEEL SOPHISTICATED, BUT YET HAVE AN APPROACHABLE FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT.
THEN WE HAVE A FEW VIEWS WALKING AROUND THE PROJECT.
THIS IS A LITTLE FURTHER BACK FROM DAVIS.
YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF THE EARLY TOPOGRAPHY STUDIES THAT WE'RE DOING WHERE WE'RE DOWN 10 FEET FROM DAVIS BOULEVARD.
THEN GOING AROUND THE SITE, THIS IS OVER THE COTTAGES, LOOKING AT ONE OF THE COURTYARDS.
ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS THE WELLNESS PROGRAM.
WE WOULD PLAN FOR AN INDOOR POOL, YOGA, FITNESS CENTER, THOSE SORT OF AMENITIES THAT WOULD FRONT THIS COURTYARD TO REALLY INCREASE AND ENCOURAGE INDOOR OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, AND JUST FURTHER ENHANCE THAT CONNECTION TO NATURE.
THERE IS A VIEW FROM THE FLOODPLAIN LOOKING BACK AT THE SITE, THE FOUR STORY INDEPENDENT LIVING OVER PARKING GARAGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN, AND THEN ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY SUPPORT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
THEN A VIEW FROM THE EXISTING STORAGE FACILITY, LOOKING BACK AT THE SITE TO THE NORTH WITH THE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY SUPPORT IN THE FOREGROUND. THANK YOU.
>> I GUESS IF YOU GUYS WOULDN'T MIND MAYBE COMING UP FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
I GUESS, MAYBE A FEW THINGS, AT LEAST FOR ME AND OTHERS MAY HAVE A FEW, I GUESS, IT WAS GOOD TO SEE THE CREEK AREA, AND I KNOW THE LAND USE PLAN AND THE CORRIDOR PLAN CALL FOR THAT IN TERMS OF THE CREEK AREA BEING PRESERVED AND THE TRAIL BUILT, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT?
>> YES, SIR. AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS FROM THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN FOR THE CITY IS THAT THE PRESERVATION OF THE FLOODPLAIN IS A STREAM BUFFER.
ADDITIONALLY, THAT IT DOES CALL FOR A CONNECTIVITY NOT JUST FROM THIS PROPERTY,
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BUT FROM THE FLOODPLAIN AS IT STRETCHES NORTHWARDS ALL THE WAY TO 1709, AND HOPEFULLY EVENTUALLY BE CONNECTING INTO A LARGER SYSTEM FOR THE CITY.WE ARE COMMITTED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT TO BUILD THAT EIGHT FOOT MULTI USE TRAIL BASICALLY THROUGH THIS PORTION OF IT.
ADDITIONALLY, AND WE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE WORKING WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALIGNMENT OF THAT WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR ACCESSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS GOING TO BE A SAFE TRAIL AS WELL.
ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU GO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO WALKABILITY AND PEDESTRIANISM ON DAVIS BOULEVARD AT THIS JUNCTURE.
WE'RE GOING TO AS PART OF THAT CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, WE ARE COMMITTED TO THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG DAVIS BOULEVARD, AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING TO THAT? THERE IS NO SHOULDER ON DAVIS BOULEVARD, AS IT STANDS TODAY.
HAVING THAT KIND OF SAFETY AS PART OF A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK IS GOING TO INCREASE THE WALKABILITY OF THE QUARTER.
>> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, ACTUALLY, MORE FOR STAFF.
I GUESS, DENNIS, THE AGE RESTRICTION ASPECT OF THIS COMMUNITY.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE WRITTEN INTO ZONING?
>> WELL, YOU'RE TALKING MORE OF THE CITY STEPS [OVERLAPPING].
>> YES. I THINK HUD PROVIDES FOR TWO DIFFERENT AGE RESTRICTIONS OF 62 OR 55, AND I THINK THE APPLICANTS INDICATED THEIR INTENT IS TO HAVE 60, AGE 62 RESTRICTION, AND I'LL HAVE THEM CLARIFY THAT IF THAT'S CORRECT.
>> SORRY I THINK OF MYSELF AS STAFF, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOREFRONT LIVING, I APOLOGIZE.
THE TYPE OF FINANCING WE HAVE DICTATES THAT IT'S FOR SENIORS AND IT'S 62 AND ABOVE.
>> NO. I GUESS SOMETHING MORE FROM THE CITY'S STANDPOINT, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY WEREN'T MEETING THAT ZONING, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE ZONING AND THE CITY COULD STEP IN, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
>> I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT HOW YOU WERE GOING TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE'LL CALL THE PARK AREA AND THE BACK.
IS THAT GOING TO BE WITH GRASS AND MAINTAINED, OR IS IT GOING TO BE JUST LEFT WILD?
>> LEFT WILD, WE HAVE A SIMILAR SITUATION IN PLANO, AND WE ASK THE CITY TO ALLOW US TO MAINTAIN IT.
WE LIKE SEASONAL PLANTINGS, WE LIKE COLOR.
WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE TRAIL, MAINTAINING THE TRAIL, MAINTAINING THE LAW AREAS WITH REGULAR CUTTINGS.
IT'S A VIEW CORRIDOR FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING AT THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE EXTERNAL COMMUNITY THAT WALK THROUGH.
>> I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE ADJOINING PROPERTY BEHIND AS WELL, IF YOU CAN MAKE IT AN AMENITY FOR THEM AS WELL.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THE TENDONS WAS SMALL AT THE MEETINGS WE HAD, BUT THE CONCERN WAS THERE ABOUT TREES AND ABOUT THE VIEW CORRIDOR AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL AND THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO US, AND IT'S VERY IN ALIGNMENT OF THE WAY THAT WE WOULD WANT TO CONSTRUCT THE PROPERTY.
>> OKAY. THE WALKING TRAIL WILL END AT YOUR PROPERTY LINE FOR NOW.
YOU'RE YOU'RE ONLY TAKING[OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE AMENITY, YES, SO IT WOULD END AT OUR PROPERTY LINE FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND AT THIS POINT.
ONE, AS REGARDING THE TREES, YOU SAID 71% OF THE TREES WOULD BE PRESERVED.
WHAT KIND OF TREES ARE THERE OR IS THERE ANY DISCERNMENT ABOUT WHICH ONES YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT?
>> WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL SIGNIFICANT TREES.
A LOT OF THE TREES THAT ARE INTERIOR TO THE SITE, BUT THESE HAVE BEEN UTILIZED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES SINCE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY BUILT IN THE LATE 50S, EARLY 60S, SO A LOT OF THEM ARE THE ONES THAT ARE INTENDED FOR REMOVAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ARE CULTIVATED TREES.
THE ONES THAT ARE TOWARDS THE BACK, THERE ARE SEVERAL ELMS AND CEDAR ELMS. THERE'S ALSO SOME TREES THAT ARE NOT QUITE SO SIGNIFICANT, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS MANY OF THOSE TREES ARE GOING TO STILL BE PRESERVED TO THE BACK.
AS PART OF THE TREE PROTECTION PLAN, THERE IS TWO PAGES OF ADDITIONAL LIST OF ALL THE TREES THAT ARE AS PART OF THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT IN TREE PROTECTION, IT'S MOSTLY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS YOU'RE DEVELOPING IS THAT THERE IS THE FENCING ESPECIALLY AROUND THE DRIP LINE THAT IS GOING TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS IN PROTECTING THOSE TREES AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE A SURVIVABILITY OVER TIME.
ADDITIONALLY, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT A TREE THAT HAS A LOT MORE AREA FOR IT TO GROW AND BREATHE AND BE ABLE TO LIM UP AND TAKE OFF THE STICKERS OF
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UNDERGROWTH THAT TAKE AWAY FROM THE OXIDATION OF A TREE IS GOING TO HELP THOSE TREES BE ABLE TO THRIVE LONGER AND BETTER.ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT THE COMMISSIONER ALSO HAD MENTIONED WAS ABOUT HOW WE MAINTAIN.
RIGHT NOW, THROUGH THAT DRAINAGE DISH, THERE'S A LOT OF TRASH THAT FLOWS DOWN FROM 1709 AND IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED TO US FAR OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST WAS THAT THEY DO FIND A LOT OF TRASH IN THERE.
BUT HAVING SOMETHING THAT IS BEING ABLE TO BE MAINTAINED BY A PROFESSIONAL FACILITY AND COMMUNITY, THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS THE OWNERSHIP OF THE COMMUNITY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT TRASH DOES NOT RE OCCUR, AND IT IS A STEWARD OF THE FLOODPLAIN AS WELL.
>> OKAY. THEN THIS IS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION I WANTED TO MAKE BECAUSE SOME OF THE RENDERINGS LOOKED LIKE IT WAS THREE STORY, BUT THEN HE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE FOUR STORY, SO I GUESS FROM DAVIS BOULEVARD, IT APPEARS THREE STORY IN THE FOUR STORIES IN THE BACK END.
>> CORRECT. THAT'S JUST THE RESULT OF THE TOPOGRAPHY AND HOW IT STEPS DOWN THE SITE, SO IT IS THREE STORIES AND TWO STORIES.
THE ASSISTED LIVING PORTION IS TWO STORIES, THE INDEPENDENT LIVING IS THREE STORIES, BUT ON THE BACK SIDE, IT WOULD BE FOUR STORIES OVER A PARKING GARAGE.
>> OKAY. THE PARKING GARAGE, IS THAT PRIMARILY FOR THE EMPLOYEES OR FOR BOTH?
>> IT WOULD BE FOR THE SENIOR LIVING RESIDENTS THAT ARE LIVING HERE.
>> OKAY. ONE MORE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, SO I THINK WHAT YOU SAID WAS IN THE PART THAT BUFFERS THE RESIDENTIAL THAT HAS ESSENTIALLY A GREEN BELT AND THEN ACROSS DAVIS, THAT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IS AT A HIGHER ELEVATION?
>> YOU BET. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW, BUT IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.
NOW THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS ITEM, AND JUST A REFRESHER ON THE GROUND RULES AGAIN.
AS YOU COME UP HERE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
YOU'LL HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES.
WE'LL HAVE SOME LITTLE LIGHTS THERE THAT WILL BE OPERATED THAT WE'LL START TO HELP YOU WITH THAT, WHERE THE LIGHT WILL BE GREEN, AND THEN WHEN THE THIRD MINUTE STARTS, IT'LL START TO BE YELLOW, AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE OVER THREE MINUTES STARTS TO FLASH RED.
WE ASK YOU, PLEASE ADHERE TO THAT IN CONSIDERATION OF OTHER SPEAKERS AND OTHER ITEMS WE HAVE LATER ON THE AGENDA.
PLEASE ADDRESS ALL YOUR COMMENTS TO US, AND COMMENTS, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY, IT'S YOUR THREE MINUTES OR UP TO THREE MINUTES.
BUT COMMENTS ON THIS SPECIFIC APPLICATION ARE THE MOST HELPFUL ONES.
ONCE WE'RE ALL DONE, WE CAN AGGREGATE THEM UP HERE AND JUST COMMENT ON THE SENTIMENT THAT WE'VE HEARD.
I THINK THAT PROBABLY DOES IT IN TERMS OF GROUND RULES, AND I'LL JUST GO INTO IT A LITTLE MORE AS WE GET INTO IT, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON HOW THAT WORKS.
I DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT CARD, SO I GUESS I'LL START WITH THIS ONE, BUT YOU CAN STILL COME FORWARD EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T FILL OUT A CARD. BUT I'LL START WITH THIS ONE.
THIS WAS HENRY SCHNEIDER, I BELIEVE, 2513 PARK ROVE LOOP.
I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ITEM.
HENRY, ARE YOU HERE? MUNCH COME UP AND RESTATE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD IF YOU DON'T MIND, CASE I SLAUGHTERED IT, AND WE'LL KICK THINGS.
>> I'M NOT TRACE SNYDER BUT HE WILL BE FOLLOWING ME.
I'M WITH THE HOA OF THE NEIGHBORING TO THE WEST, WHICH WOULD BE THE STONY BROOK COMMUNITY.
IS THERE A WAY WE CAN PUT THE STICK IN OR CAN WE USE AN OVERHEAD?
I'M NOT SURE THAT.[BACKGROUND]
>> SORRY. SOUNDS LIKE IT'S[OVERLAPPING] NOT OPERABLE.
BUT IF YOU MAYBE JUST HOLD UP WHAT YOU'VE GOT THERE, I THINK WE CAN SEE IT FROM HERE.
>> CAN I GIVE IT TO YOU THEN? YOU CAN PASS THEM ON.
>> SURE. MAYBE YOU PAUSE FOR A SECOND.
>> APOLOGIZE. I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT SEVERAL.
>> OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND RESTART THE TIME, BUT FEEL FREE TO KICK OFF, AND WE'LL JUST PASS THIS AROUND.
>> I REPRESENT THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION TO THE WEST.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, NO ONE HAS EVER REACHED OUT TO US AND MAYBE THERE'S BEEN A SPIN MEETING. OBVIOUSLY, THERE WAS.
I WAS NOT NOTIFIED OR ANYTHING OF BEING INVOLVED OR NO ONE HAS EVER REACHED OUT TO US.
NUMBER ONE, IT'S A GREAT LOOKING PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE AND EVERYTHING,
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BUT WE JUST THINK IT'S IN THE WRONG PLACE FOR SOUTH LAKE.WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BACK OF IT, IT'S NOT A FOUR STORY, IT'S A FIVE STORY.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM US AT 75 FOOT TALL, AND YOU CAN SEE WITH THAT, IF THAT COULD BE PASSED AROUND, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT IT FROM OUR SIDE.
WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY, BACK IN 2019, IT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY HERE.
IT WENT TO COUNCIL AND GOT ATTACKED AND THEN WE WENT FROM AROUND 65 LOTS TO 47 LOTS, 37 ACRES AND HAD TO PUT A LARGE PARK AREA YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE AERIAL.
A LOT OF SCRUTINY ON DENSITY THAT WENT INTO OUR PACKAGE OR OUR DEVELOPMENT, SO THIS YEAR, WE'RE TALKING OVER 200 RESIDENCES ON MUCH LESS ACREAGE AND PEOPLE BOUGHT INTO OURS BELIEVED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL, NOT COMMERCIAL.
THIS BEING 75 FOOT HIGH YOU CAN SEE THE DRAWING THAT WE DID, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT'S REALLY GOING TO LOOM OVER US AND SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.
WHILE THERE MAY BE TREES THERE, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY HIGH WITH FIVE STORIES OVERLOOKING US, SO WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSION TO DENY THE REQUEST, AND WE JUST THINK IT'S IN THE WRONG PLACE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THERE'S ANY FIVE STORY BUILDINGS UP AND DOWN DAVIS OR SOUTH BOULEVARD.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT. APPRECIATE IT.
WHO ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SEEING SOMEONE JUMP UP THERE? SPEAK AND JUST NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> GOOD EVENING. HENRY SCHNEIDER, 2513 PARK GROVE LOOP.
HOUSES CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT.
TO, TAG ON TO WITH TERRY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, THERE'S A RENDERING THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE EXTERIOR AND TERRY IS CORRECT, IT'S ACTUALLY FIVE STORIES TALL, 70 FEET.
LET'S JUST CALL IT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, I LOVE THE IDEA OF ASSISTED LIVING, INDEPENDENT LIVING, AND MEMORY CARE.
I HAD BOTH MY PARENTS IN IT, THEY ACTUALLY NEEDED MEMORY CARE.
BUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS IS THIS LOOKS LIKE A GLORIFIED APARTMENT COMPLEX IN SOUTH LAKE, TEXAS.
THIS IS THE ISSUE THAT DISTURBS ME THE MOST.
THE OTHER IS ALL OF THE PARKING IS IN THE REAR, IT'S A 24 HOUR A DAY FACILITY.
THE STAFF CONSTANTLY COME, SO THEY DON'T COME JUST IN THE MORNING, JUST IN THE EVENING, SO THERE'S A LOT OF NOISE ASSOCIATED WITH CARS AND TRAFFIC AND LIGHTS.
THE BUILDINGS WILL HAVE SECURITY LIGHTS ON THEM, WE'LL HAVE STREET LIGHTS, PARKING LOT LIGHTS.
THE CONCEPT OF HAVING THE STREAMWAY BUFFER IS NICE, A LOT OF THE TREES THAT YOU SEE TODAY WILL ACTUALLY BE REMOVED, MAYBE NOT WITHIN THE STREAMWAY BUFFER.
THE ISSUE IS IN THE WINTERTIME, SO ABOUT FOUR MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR THERE'S A FEW LEAVES ON THE TREES, A LOT OF THEM THAT CANOPIES ARE GONE.
WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX LOTS THAT BACK UP TO THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO STARE AT A 70 FOOT BUILDING.
IT'S LIKE LIVING NEXT TO A FIVE STORY HOTEL, SO THAT'S WHAT THE VIEW IS IN SOUTH LAKE, TEXAS.
IT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL, WE WOULD ASK THAT IT STAYS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, THAT YOU WOULD DENY THE PERMIT FOR THEM TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
IN KEEPING WITH RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT, TO ME, IT NEEDS TO BE A WIN FOR EVERYONE.
WE'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE THEY WERE.
THEY COME IN, IT TOTALLY CHANGES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN, THEY BENEFIT.
I REALIZE, IT IS A GREAT DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S JUST, AGAIN, IN THE WRONG PLACE.
I'M RETIRED, I'M 37 YEARS, I PRACTICE CIVIL ENGINEERING, LAND DEVELOPMENT, SITE DEVELOPMENT, MUNICIPAL WORK IN THE HOUSTON METROPOLITAN AREA.
I TOTALLY GET WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, I UNDERSTAND THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES AND WHAT THEY'RE PUSHING FOR.
I KNOW THAT ENGINEERING CAN BE MADE TO WORK.
IT JUST DOESN'T PASS THE SMELL TEST.
WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
MY HOUSE FROM THE SECOND FLOOR, I WILL SEE WHAT THEY CALL REFERRED TO AS FLOORS TWO AND THREE, WHICH IS REALLY FLOORS FOUR AND FIVE, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE A ROOF SYSTEM THAT WILL BE 12-15 FEET TALL, SO WHEN I LOOK OUT THE WINDOWS OF MY NEW HOUSE TO THE EAST, I WILL BE STARING AT A VERY VERY LONG STRUCTURE THAT LOOKS I REALLY BUILT ON HIGHWAY 114.
THE BUILDING LOOKS NICE, BUT IT'S IN THE WRONG PLACE AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DENY IT.
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I'M NOT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.THE OTHER IS IS THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE UNITS THAT WILL HAVE THE ABILITY.
PEOPLE LOVE TO LOOK THROUGH BINOCULARS, WHATEVER.
THEY WILL LITERALLY BE ABLE TO LOOK INTO THE BACK YARDS IN THE BACK SET.
>> IF YOU DON'T MIND WRAPPING UP, SIR, PLEASE. THREE MINUTES.
>> IT'S THREE MINUTES UP, PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THAT.
WHO ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND CALL PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN, SIR. GO AHEAD.
YOUR HAND SHOT UP FIRST, SO YOU WIN.
>> MY NAME IS JAMES DWYER, I LIVE AT 2401 LOWER BROOK COURT.
I'M CERTAINLY THE CLOSEST NEIGHBOR IN THE STONY BROOK SUBDIVISION TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, I DID NOT RECEIVE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING OR ELSE HE WOULD HAVE HAD AN ADDITIONAL OBJECTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT RESOLVED, BUT I'LL.
>> WE'VE GOT IT NOTED ON THE RECORD TONIGHT [INAUDIBLE]
>> OKAY. I BECAME AWARE OF THIS AT ABOUT FIVE O'CLOCK THIS AFTERNOON AND I DID SOME QUICK RESEARCH, AND I DID LOOK AT THE PLANS AS WELL AS I COULD.
THERE MANY TREES 30 INCHES IN DIAMETER ON THE TREE PLAN, AND MANY OF THOSE WILL BE REMOVED.
THAT FLOODPLAIN IS A WONDERFUL HABITAT, JUST WILD AND WOOLY WITH ALL CRITTERS IN THERE.
THERE'S BARD OWLS IN THERE AND I WAS AT THE DEVELOPER'S NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
I DO APPRECIATE THEIR SENSE OF STEWARDSHIP OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND THEIR CARE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THAT'S THERE BECAUSE IT IS REALLY PRECIOUS WITH THE WATER THAT'S THERE AND THERE IS WATER THERE TODAY EVEN IN DRY SEPTEMBER, DRY AUGUST.
THERE'S WATER, AND THAT BRINGS LOTS OF LIFE THAT WILL BE VIRTUALLY DESTROYED WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT.
OF COURSE, IT WILL BE UNSIGHTLY WHEN THE TREES ARE BARE AND THAT WOULD BE ALL I HAVE.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT. APPRECIATE IT.
>> PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN FOR ANYBODY ELSE, YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
MA'AM, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP FIRST, AND GENTLEMEN BEHIND YOU, YOU CAN BE TEED UP NEXT, SO NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
>> MY NAME IS KATHY BETHUNE, AND MY HUSBAND, GARY AND I ARE BUILDING AT 2,600 PARK GROVE LAKE.
I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO ADD, TERRY AND TRAY SO ELOQUENTLY SPOKE.
BUT JUST TO SAY THAT AT THIS STAGE OF LIFE, WE WANTED TO ACQUIRE A NEW HOME THAT WOULD PLACE US CLOSER TO FAMILY AND HOPEFULLY REQUIRE LESS MAINTENANCE.
WE CHOSE TO BUILD IN SOUTH LAKE OVER OTHER COMMUNITIES NEARBY BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES THE CITY OFFER GREAT AMENITIES.
IT ALSO HAS SUCH AN OUTSTANDING REPUTATION FOR A PLANNING PROCESS THAT PROTECTS AND PRESERVES NEIGHBORHOODS, TREES, AND GREEN SPACES, WALKING TRAILS, AND AMPLE LOT SIZES FOR PRIVACY.
IT TRULY IS A SMALL TOWN COMMUNITY WE FEEL WE LOVE.
PRIOR TO PURCHASING OUR LOT IN STONY BROOK IN DECEMBER, WE CAREFULLY LOOKED AT THE BUSINESSES, CHURCHES, AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS SURROUNDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT UNTIL YESTERDAY.
WE FELL IN LOVE WITH THE WAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN DEVELOPED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TREES AND THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND.
ALTHOUGH IT IS CLOSE TO SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD AND DAVIS, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT.
WE NOTED THAT THE AREA TO THE EAST IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL AND THAT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THE SOUTHEAST HAVE LOW BUILDING PROFILES AND DON'T INTERFERE WITH THE PEACEFULNESS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MANY OF THE HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ENJOY A LOT OF PRIVACY.
AGAIN, LIKE OTHERS, WE SUPPORT AND UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITIES, BOTH MY PARENTS AND MY MOTHER IN LAW REQUIRED CARE IN SUCH COMMUNITIES IN THEIR LAST FEW YEARS.
WE ARE SENIORS AND MAINLY THIS KIND OF CARE.
BUT WE DO KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THAT THE COMMUNITIES REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES TO OPERATE AND HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC FROM RESIDENTS, FAMILY, AND FRIEND VISITORS, VENDORS, AND SUPPLIERS, HOME HEALTH CARE WORKERS, AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND THE WAY THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNED, A LOT OF THAT TRAFFIC WILL BE ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT BY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES A VERY LARGE TALL BUILDING THAT WILL OVERLOOK THE EAST SIDE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WILL RESULT IN A LOSS OF PRIVACY IN MANY TREES.
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE, TRAFFIC, AND PRIVACY AND THERE'S ALREADY A SIZABLE SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY TO THE WEST OF STONY BROOK.
THERE'S A SKILLED NURSING FACILITY AT THE CORNER OF DAVIS IN 1709 BY THE SPROUTS AND SO WE'RE
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JUST WONDERING WHY REZONE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO DEVELOP ANOTHER SENIOR LIVING FACILITY. THANK YOU.>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SIR, YOU WANT TO COME UP NEXT?.
>> HELLO. MY NAME IS RAYMOND AURORA, 2532 PARK GROVE LOOP.
MY PROPERTY IS ALSO VERY CLOSE TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT ABOUT PROBABLY 250 FEET.
OUR BACKYARD BACKS UP TO THAT CREEK, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY ABOUT 200 SOME CARS COMING IN AND OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT CLOSE TO A PLACE MY KIDS ARE GOING TO PLAY IN, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING OUR SUMMERS IN.
SO, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE AND THE TRAFFIC AND THE POLLUTION THAT SIMPLY THE CARS ARE GOING TO CAUSE JUST COME IN AND OUT OVER THERE.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SPACE RIGHT NOW.
THE WHOLE POINT OF US PURCHASING INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS TO HAVE THAT PRIVATE LIVING AND THAT QUIET LIFE AND THE GREENERY THAT SURROUNDS THAT COMMUNITY, AND THIS IS COMPLETELY GOING TO RUIN IT OR IT'S GOING TO HOVER BEHIND ABOVE THE TREES THAT WE HAVE BACK THERE.
OUR VIEW IS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY RUINED BY SUCH A LARGE BUILDING STRUCTURE RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD.
PRETTY MUCH 250 FEET AWAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT.
PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THE SIGNUM.
SEEING NO ONE, I GUESS I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BEFORE WE CALL THE APPLICANT UP HERE.
SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME WOOD TO CHOP HERE.
I GUESS I GUESS WE CAN MAYBE GO AROUND THE DIES REAL QUICK AND SEE IF I'M THE ONLY ONE, WHICH I'M GUESSING I'M NOT, BUT I GUESS MAYBE ANY INITIAL THOUGHTS HERE, I GUESS AT A MINIMUM, IT FEELS LIKE TO ME, AND I REMEMBER WHEN THIS ONE CAME THROUGH CORRIDOR, AND I SAW ON THE SPIN, INFORMATION THAT THERE WASN'T A LOT OF THERE WASN'T LARGE ATTENDANCE THERE.
SO AT A MINIMUM, AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS I SCRIBBLED WHEN I REVIEWED IT EARLIER THIS WEEK WAS ENGAGEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT ENGAGEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD YET.
WITH THIS LEVEL OF RESERVATIONS, MY GUESS WOULD BE THERE WOULD BE STRUGGLING ON THE COUNCIL LEVEL.
I GUESS I WOULD THINK AND I THINK WE HEARD THE THEMES.
THESE MEETINGS, BY THE WAY, THEY'RE RECORDED, SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND WATCH THEM AFTERWARDS IF YOU KNOW, MISS SOMETHING OR NEED SOME NOTES, BUT YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS SIZE, HEIGHT, SCALE, DENSITY, INTENSITY, PROXIMITY TO THE REAR OF THE SIDE, ET CETERA.
I THINK, SCALE WAS A BIG PIECE OF THAT.
I DON'T KNOW. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO KIND OF.
>> YEAH. I'M IN TERMS OF DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD?
>> I'M JUST SURPRISED IT'S GOTTEN TO THIS POINT THAT THEY'RE HERE I THINK THE APPLICANT MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT THEY DID COME TO CORRIDOR TWICE.
I SIT ON THAT COMMITTEE AS WELL.
I REMEMBER THE FEEDBACK BEING VERY NEGATIVE TOWARDS THIS AND THAT THE DENSITY WAS TOO MUCH.
CLEARLY, IT'S NOT LESS INTENSE THAN WHAT THEY REPRESENTED AT CORRIDOR.
SO I JUST DON'T SEE HOW ANYWAY THIS MAKES IT THROUGH HERE OR CERTAINLY CITY COUNCIL.
>> WELL, THEY TOOK GREAT JOB WITH THE ASETICS, AND IT LOOKS NICE FROM SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD.
I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
MY KIDS WENT TO SCHOOL JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH ON DAVIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND WHERE WE START TO GET A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COME IN ON AND OFF OF DAVIS.
I REGULARLY SAW ROLLOVER ACCIDENTS, TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, AND PEOPLE COMING OFF 114 TREAT DAVIS LIKE A HIGHWAY.
SO IF WE CREATE AND THEN IN SOUTH WHERE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE THAT FURTHER NORTH.
>> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO WEIGH IN HERE? DOCTOR SPRINGER?
>> WELL, I MEAN, SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS WERE ABOUT THE NOISE AND LIGHTING.
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SO IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE A FOOTBALL STADIUM HERE SHINING DOWN ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THERE IS A PRETTY GOOD BUFFER IN THE GREEN SPACE IN THE BACK.I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT THE GOINGS ON OF THE RESIDENTS AND THE EMPLOYEES THERE IS GOING TO RIVAL THE TRAFFIC ON DAVIS BOULEVARD.
IT IS TOO INTENSE. SO DON'T GET ME WRONG.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT YEAH, I'M FOR IT, BUT I ALSO SEE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HERE THAT THIS IS A REALLY HARD LOCATION TO DEVELOP, MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO BE AN ESTATE TYPE SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY HAS ONE OR TWO LARGE LOTS AND DEVELOPS THOSE, LIKE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, JUST BECAUSE OF THE GREEN BELT THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE AND THE FLOODPLAIN AREA.
UNFORTUNATELY, I KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN STONY BROOK.
I ALSO REMEMBER HOW THE PEOPLE WHEN YOU GUYS IN STONY BROOK WERE TRYING TO BUILD THAT THAT PEOPLE, NEIGHBORS WEREN'T TOO HAPPY TO SEE YOU GUYS SHOW UP EITHER.
>> VERY MUCH REMEMBER THOSE MEETINGS.
>> DON'T ACT LIKE YOU KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN LIVING HERE SINCE 1912.
IT'S SOMETHING IS GOING TO GO THERE.
IT MAY NOT BE THIS, AND IT MAY NOT BE THIS IN THIS CONFIGURATION, BUT SOMETHING'S GOING TO GO THERE.
THE ONLY WAY THAT I SEE THIS WORKING WITH THE AMOUNT OF FLOODPLAIN IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS MORE OF A COMMERCIAL TYPE APPLICATION.
>> YEAH. NO, I WOULDN'T SAY, I THINK, YOU'RE NEVER PROBABLY GOING TO FIND THE PERFECT APPLICATION.
I KNOW OUR CITY ORDINANCES GOVERN SOME OF THIS, AND YOU CAN'T MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, BUT I GUESS AT A MINIMUM FOR ME, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S REALLY BEEN YET A DISCUSSION ON EVEN BEGINNING TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE.
IT'S HARD TO HAVE THAT GLASS HALF FULL WHEN THAT PORTION OF THE PROCESS HASN'T REALLY HAPPENED BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORS.
THE PUBLIC I'LL CALL UP THE APPLICANT IN A SECOND.
I GUESS WHEN YOU WANT TO JUST WEIGH IN YOUR THOUGHTS.
>> OH, WELL, I HAD A COMMENT PROBABLY SIMILAR TO MR. SPRINGER IS OVER THERE WITH DAVIS BOULEVARD IS, I THINK, SIX LANES.
I DON'T I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, SOMETHING'S GOING TO GO THERE.
IF IT'S NOT THIS, IF THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT THING, IT IS PROBABLY THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE AS SOMETHING PROBABLY COMMERCIAL THAT WON'T REALLY ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF, OH, MY GOSH, THERE'S TRAFFIC OR WHAT HAVE YOU OR SPURRING MORE TRAFFIC ON A SIX LANE ROAD.
I DO THINK OVERALL CONCERNING, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS FIVE STORY COMES FROM, BUT I DO THINK IT PROBABLY IS A LITTLE TOO HIGH JUST FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT, MAYBE NOT EVEN A VISUALIZATION STANDPOINT, BUT THE DENSITY STANDPOINT.
BUT FOR DEVELOPMENT, IT IS VERY NICE.
I JUST PROBABLY IS A LITTLE TOO TALL.
>> MR. FAIL, ANYTHING BEFORE I CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP OR ARE YOU?
>> NO, I MEAN, I THINK I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID.
I THINK THIS POTENTIALLY IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE BETTER USES FOR THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY WITH THE FLOODWAY IN THE BACK, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S TOO DENSE.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S NOT TO ME THAT SENIOR LIVING IS JUST A NON START OR NON DESIRED USE, BUT IT'S AS PROPOSED, IT LOOKS PRETTY INTENSE FOR THIS SITE AS PROPOSED, RELATIVE TO HEIGHT AND NUMBER OF RESIDENCES.
BUT IF THE APPLICANT DOESN'T MIND COMING BACK UP TO THE MICROPHONE, AND WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO IS JUST PROCESS-WISE, LET YOU KNOW, WE'RE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION PORTION, SO WE DON'T WANT PRESENTATION PART 2, BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF PATHS WE CAN GO HERE.
I MEAN, I THINK YOU HEARD SOME OF THE SENTIMENT, SO YOU CAN PROBABLY GAUGE HOW THAT WILL GO.
YOU COULD REQUEST TO TABLE, IF YOU'D LIKE, IN TERMS OF TABLEING, AND MAYBE TRYING TO SPEAK WITH SOME OF THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS AND SEE IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN GET SOME OF THEM HAPPY IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, DENSITY, NUMBER OF UNITS, ET CETERA.
THE LAST THING I'D SAY, IS DOCTOR SPRINGER IS A REAL HISTORY BUFF UP HERE, BUT I JUST KIND OF ACT LIKE ONE BECAUSE I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE HALF AS LONG, BUT IF YOU KNOW WHERE HARBOR CHASE IS OUT ON THE FREEWAY, THE STORY BEHIND THAT IS IT CAME FORWARD AT SHADY OAK IN 1709 ORIGINALLY, AND DENNIS CAN JUMP IN.
SO HE'S NOD TO SAY, OKAY, GOOD. I GOT IT RIGHT.
SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS WERE RAISED ABOUT THAT LOCATION, AND THERE WAS THE SENTIMENT YOU HEARD THAT, SENIOR LIVING SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD USE.
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IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED.IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HIGH QUALITY, BUT THE LOCATION, THE MICRO LOCATION LOOKS, A LITTLE TOUGH FOR THE SCALE THAT WAS REQUESTED.
BEHOLD, THEY LOOKED FOR ANOTHER SITE.
THEY FOUND ONE ON 114, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE.
I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS YOU COULD GO HERE, BUT IT'S YOUR CALL IN TERMS OF HOW YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.
>> RIGHT. ONCE AGAIN, MY NAME IS RUSSELL JONES IN OUR OFFICE AT 220 EAST LOS CALINZ BOULEVARD AND IRVING.
JUST I WAS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED A LOT AT BOTH THE CORRIDOR MEETINGS AND THE SPIN MEETINGS, AND I THINK YOU WERE THERE.
AS YOU NOTED, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF PARTICIPATION.
WE WERE A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE WE REALLY WANTED THE FEEDBACK BECAUSE THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THEM.
WE WENT AHEAD AND HELD ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON OUR OWN AT THE MARK, SENT OUT 75 POSTCARDS, GOT THEM OFF, ALL THE INFORMATION OFF THE TERRAN APPRAISAL DISTRICT WEBSITE, SENT IT OUT, AND HAD JUST A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE SHOW UP.
FOR A SECOND TIME, RENT IT OUT THE MARK AGAIN.
GOT A NEW MAILING LIST AND GOT A FEW MORE PEOPLE, AND THE PEOPLE SHOWED UP WERE VERY KIND AND THEY GAVE US SOME GOOD FEEDBACK.
BUT I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS NUMBER 1, WE WERE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO INVOLVE THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT JUST ONE OTHER THING.
THIS IS UNDER THE COMP PLAN, A MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE.
A LOT OF THESE ITEMS IN TERMS OF, DRAINAGE, TRAFFIC, NOISE, LIGHT.
ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD BE IMPACTED BY A MIXED USE PROJECT, AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE INTENSE.
THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AT OUR PROPERTY AT OUR COMMUNITY, THEY'RE SOUTH LAKE RESIDENTS.
THEY'RE QUIET. THEY DON'T GET OUT A LOT.
THEY DON'T TRAVEL DURING PEAK HOURS.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET OUT ON DAVIS AT 8:00 IN THE MORNING.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME HOME AT 5:00 IN THE EVENING.
ON TOP OF THAT, WE WILL HAVE SHUTTLE BUSES THAT WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET AROUND.
I JUST WANT TO JUST HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE ITEMS THAT I JUST WANT TO TOUCH UPON.
I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING ON THE RECORD.
I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY EFFORTS TO GET WORD OUT, BUT I MEAN, ADMITTEDLY, IN THE RESIDENTS DEFENSE AS WELL, WE'RE ALL PRETTY BUSY.
I MEAN, I TRAVEL FOR, I MEAN, IT'S TOUGH.
WE'RE JUST SITTING AROUND WAITING FOR CASES TO SHOW UP TO, SPEND NIGHTS AT CITY HALL AND WEEKDAYS, LIKE WE DO FOR SOME REASON.
BUT THEY'RE HERE NOW AND THE FEEDBACK IS HERE NOW, AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN, YOU KNOW, AN OPTION COULD BE AT YOUR REQUEST IF YOU WANT TO TABLE AND TRY TO INTERACT MORE AND SEE, IF ARE THERE CHANGES THAT CAN BE MADE THAT GET MORE SUPPORT OR I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR CALL.
WE CAN DO THAT OR WE CAN TAKE A VOTE OR WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO DO.
>> NO, APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH, AND WE WANT FEEDBACK.
I THINK THE NUMBERS WERE SMALL.
THE FIRST GROUP, THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP, AND WE ADMONISHED RUSSELL ON HIS INVITATION SKILLS.
WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE THERE. CAN WE MAKE THE BIGGER?
>> YEAH. NO BE A POSTCARD, MAKE IT BIGGER, MAKE IT SIZED, AND STILL DID NOT GET THE RESPONSE, AND IT'S BEEN FLAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE TIME OF THE YEAR OR WHAT WE WENT THROUGH.
THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST FEEDBACK, OTHER THAN THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT THE CREEK AND LIVES THERE.
HE CAME, AND HE WAS THE INSPIRATION FOR REALLY LOOKING AT MAKING THAT CREEK REMAIN THE WAY IT IS, AND HE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK, OWLS IN PARTICULAR, IF I REMEMBER THAT NIGHT AND WAS VERY WELL APPRECIATED.
WE'RE FINE WITH TABLEING AND SPENDING SOME MORE TIME IF WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO GET THIS KIND OF FEEDBACK BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT'S THE BEST USE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF PROBABLY MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT HOW THE GARAGE IS BELOW GRADE.
WHEN IT SITS ON THE PODIUM, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND HAPPENED TO LIVE ON A CREEK, AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THEY BUILT SENIOR LIVING RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE.
I WAS A NEIGHBOR, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE GO THROUGH, AND I CAN SPEAK FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
I THINK WE WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE EVERYONE JOIN US FOR MORE INPUT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO BECOME PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY.
>> WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU CAN DO BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER CASE RIGHT AFTER THIS ONE IS, SO WHEN WE IN THIS CASE, MAYBE YOU CAN GO OUT IN THE FOYER, YOU CAN COLLECT E MAIL ADDRESSES OR ESPECIALLY, MAYBE TOUCH BASE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE SOME HOA LEADERSHIP HERE.
THEY CAN USUALLY HELP GET IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE, SO YOU CAN GO OUT IN THE FOYER AND GET CONTACT INFORMATION, AND TRY TO GO FROM THERE AND IN DENNIS IN TERMS OF TABLEING IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO TABLE IT TO ANY KIND OF DATE CERTAIN.
>> WE WOULD PREFER TO TABLE A DATE CERTAIN,
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OTHERWISE, WE HAVE TO RE-NOTIFY.>> MAYBE WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL WE'LL TABLE IT TO OCTOBER 3, WHICH IS THE NEXT MEETING, CORRECT? AND THEN JUST RESIDENCE, SO YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE TABLED TO OCTOBER 3, DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL BE ON OCTOBER 3, YOU CAN STAY IN TOUCH WITH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, AND IT MAY GET PUSH BACK ANOTHER MEETING TO INCORPORATE BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME TO INCORPORATE FEEDBACK AND REDO DRAWINGS, ET CETERA.
AZAR PROBABLY GETS TABLED AGAIN.
>> IF YOU NEED ADDITIONAL TIME, YOU COULD REQUEST THROUGH US AN ADDITIONAL TABLE AND WE CAN POST IT AS SUCH ON OUR AGENDA, MOVING FORWARD AS TO WHATEVER DATE YOU'VE ASKED FOR.
>> YEAH. HOA CAN HELP STAY IN TOUCH WITH STAFF AS WELL AS STAFF CAN LET THE HOA KNOW, AND WE CAN MAKE SURE WORD GETS OUT.
SO DOES THAT SOUND LIKE ACCEPTABLE?
>> SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND FLEXIBILITY. THANK YOU.
>> NO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANKS TO ALL THE RESIDENTS WHO CAME OUT HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO DO A MOTION REAL QUICK.
WE'LL DO THAT FIRST AND THEN I'LL THANK EVERYBODY, BUT MAYBE WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TABLEING THIS ITEM AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO OCTOBER 3.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE ITEM NUMBER 8 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO THE OCTOBER 3 MEETING.
>> THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ITEM IF THAT'S SO THAT YOU CAN GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.
>> WE'LL CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 3, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YES. OKAY. WE'LL CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE OCTOBER 3 MEETING.
WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE. PASSES SIX.
OKAY. NOW, THANK YOU, EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING, AND AGAIN, POTENTIALLY OCTOBER 3, BUT IT COULD BE PUSHED AGAIN, BUT YOU'LL HEAR PEOPLE STAY IN TOUCH.
WITH THAT, REALLY QUICKLY, WE WILL GABBLE OUT OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR THIS EVENING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.