Oct 22, 2024 SPIN Town Hall Forum

[1. Call to Order: Video Introduction of SPIN Program by Southlake Mayor Shawn McCaskill ]

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GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS BORIS OLARI AND I AM THE HOST FOR THE SPIN MEETING.

THE PURPOSE OF SPIN IS TO GAIN FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS ON DEVELOPMENT RELATED PROJECTS AND OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY.

SPIN IS AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND NO VOTES ARE TAKEN.

SPIN IS STREAMED LIVE THROUGH SOUTHLAKE TV ON THE CITY'S MAIN WEBSITE.

CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. COM.

NEXT, WE WILL SHOW A BRIEF VIDEO INTRODUCTION OF THE SPIN PROGRAM BY SOUTHLAKE MAYOR SHAWN MCCASKILL.

GOOD EVENING. THIS IS SHAWN MCCASKILL, THE MAYOR OF SOUTHLAKE.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO TONIGHT'S SPIN MEETING.

FIRST OF ALL, SPIN STANDS FOR SOUTHLAKE PROGRAM FOR THE INVOLVEMENT OF NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU COME IN.

THIS IS THE FIRST STAGE IN OUR VERY THOROUGH AND EXHAUSTIVE REVIEW PROCESS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING PART OF THAT PROCESS.

TONIGHT YOU'LL HEAR A PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT WHO'S LOOKING TO DO POSSIBLY A NEW DEVELOPMENT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

YOU WILL GET A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT THERE WILL NOT BE ANY VOTES TONIGHT THAT WILL COME LATER WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR COMMENTS AND GETTING A REPORT ON WHAT IS DISCUSSED TONIGHT.

AS WE GO THROUGH THIS REVIEW PROCESS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL LEVELS.

YOUR INPUT, BOTH FOR AND AGAINST A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ESSENTIAL AS WE LOOK AT WHAT OUR RESIDENTS THINK WHEN WE'RE MAKING OUR DECISIONS.

WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT AND BEING PART OF OUR PROCESS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

WE DEVELOPED AN ONLINE SPIN FORM FOR RESIDENTS TO SUBMIT THEIR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING IF THEY ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND.

I WILL READ THROUGH THE SUBMISSIONS AFTER THE RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCE WHO HAVE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK.

[2. SPIN2024-15 - An applicant is proposing a mixed-use development to include a 30-lot residential neighborhood and office/restaurant uses located at 1963 W. Southlake Blvd. within SPIN Neighborhood #10.]

CURTIS YOUNG IS HERE TO PRESENT OUR ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS SPIN 2024 DASH 15.

AN APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES A 30 LOT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND OFFICE/RESTAURANT USES.

LOCATED AT 1963 EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD WITHIN SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD TEN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE INTRODUCTION.

HI EVERYONE. MY NAME IS CURTIS YOUNG WITH THE SAGE GROUP.

I AM A LOCAL ARCHITECT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT THIS PROJECT, HOPEFULLY IMPART SOME INFORMATION AND GET ANY BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

WITH ME IS RICH DEOTTE WHO'S A LOCAL CIVIL ENGINEER WHO? IF YOU HAVE ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT ENGINEERING RELATED ISSUES HE CAN ADDRESS THOSE.

I HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF THE FOLKS IN SOUTHLAKE WOODS, WHICH IS OF COURSE, ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

I SUPPOSE MANY OF YOU ARE FROM SOUTHLAKE WOODS AS WELL.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THE REST OF YOU AND ANSWER ANY, ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

FIRST OF ALL, TO DEFINE THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER 15 ACRES AND THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE SHOWS TWO DIFFERENT LAND USES ON IT. THE RED THAT YOU SEE IN THIS LOCATION THAT FRONTS ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD IS WHAT THEY CALL RETAIL COMMERCIAL.

SO STORES, RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, OFFICES, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

THE PORTION HERE IN THE SOUTH THAT'S KIND OF IN THE YELLOW ORANGE COLOR IS WHAT'S CALLED MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THOSE ARE GENERALLY LOTS LESS THAN ONE ACRE IN SIZE IN THE SOUTHLAKE DEFINITION.

SO WE HAVE TRIED TO FOLLOW THE LAND USE PLAN AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE BY DOING COMMERCIAL ALONG SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

WE'VE ACTUALLY LESS THAN SLIGHTLY THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL, AND THEN THE REMAINDER WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL.

HERE IS THE PLAN.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE AFOREMENTIONED COMMERCIAL HERE, THERE WOULD BE FIVE LOTS OF COMMERCIAL USES ALONG SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THEY WOULD BE ONE ENTRY WOULD GO OFF OF PLAYERS CIRCLE.

HERE. ONE ENTRY IS PROPOSED TO COME DIRECTLY OFF OF SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

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THAT ENTRY WOULD ALSO COME IN TO THIS PROPERTY FROM THIS LOCATION HERE.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THIS LAYOUT IS FOUR OFFICE BUILDINGS IN THIS LOCATION LIKE THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF OPEN AREAS BETWEEN THEM LIKE THIS WITH LANDSCAPING AND THEN A RESTAURANT IN HERE.

THIS INDICATES A DRIVE THRU TYPE RESTAURANT IN THAT LOCATION THERE.

AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG HERE AS REQUIRED BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

AND THEN THE REAR PORTION OF THE SITE IS PROPOSED FOR 30 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

THOSE 30 LOTS WOULD BE ACCESSED OFF OF PEYTONVILLE BY THIS ENTRY DRIVE HERE.

WE ARE PROPOSING THAT IT WOULD BE A GATED COMMUNITY.

THERE WOULD BE NO VEHICULAR ACCESS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

BUT THIS ROAD WILL LEAVE IN LEAD IN HERE.

GO THROUGH THE GATES AND THEN A LOOP ROAD WOULD BE IN THIS LOCATION.

THE LOTS WOULD BE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREETS, EXCEPT ON THE EAST SIDE.

HERE THERE WOULD BE A GREENBELT GOING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE INTERIOR LOTS.

AND THEN PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY TO THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN SOUTHLAKE WOODS, HERE IS THERE WOULD BE A PARK GREENBELT BUFFER SPACE ALONG HERE THAT WOULD INCLUDE A RETENTION POND IN THIS LOCATION HERE.

AND THEN A LANDSCAPED AREA ALONG HERE LIKE THIS.

THERE'S AN EXISTING I HOPE TO TALK TO THESE HOMEOWNERS AT SOME POINT IN THIS PROCESS, BUT THERE'S AN EXISTING EIGHT FOOT WOOD FENCE AROUND HERE THAT LOOKS TO BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO KEEP.

WE WOULD BUILD A FENCE HERE AND HERE OVER IN HERE.

NOW, YOU MIGHT WONDER WHAT SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS WE'RE PROPOSING WOULD LOOK LIKE.

HERE IS OUR CONCEPT FOR THE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE UP ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

YOU KNOW, REAL NICE HIGH LEVEL OFFICE SPACE.

THOSE ARE. THEY LOOK ALIKE.

THEY'RE ALL THE SAME THEME, BUT THEY'RE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LAYOUTS.

AND THEN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES, WE HAVE SEVERAL ELEVATIONS THAT ARE KIND OF THE CONCEPT OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING FOR THOSE.

OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THE LAKE IN THE BACKGROUND THAT'S SHOWN ON THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF HOMES SOME A LITTLE BIT MORE MODERN THAN OTHERS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THEM, THE SUPER MODERN TYPE.

THESE HOMES, BY THE WAY, WOULD, WOULD PROBABLY BE AT LEAST 3500FT² OR SO.

SO SIMILAR HOME SIZE TO A LOT OF HOMES IN SOUTHLAKE.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY, VERY NICE HOMES, PROBABLY STARTING AT AT LEAST $2 MILLION AND AVERAGING WELL OVER $2.5 MILLION BY THE TIME IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE.

SO THESE WILL BE VERY, VERY NICE HOMES.

SO THAT'S THE PLAN.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM.

IF YOU COULD USE THE MICROPHONES IN THE AISLE JUST SO PEOPLE AT HOME CAN HEAR AS WELL.

THANK YOU. HI.

YES, I'VE BEEN IN THE WOODS.

I WAS THE FOURTH HOUSE BUILT IN THERE FOR 27 YEARS.

SO I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE THE LOTS BEHIND US, WE WERE TOLD IN CHAMBERS THEY WERE GOING TO BE 5000.

AND SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE 8 OR 9000.

AND THE MAYOR AT THAT TIME DID NOT ALLOW GREEN SPACE BECAUSE THE LOTS WERE SO BIG.

THERE'S NO GREEN SPACE, I CAN TELL YOU.

IT'S LIKE HOUSE, HOUSE, HOUSE.

I THINK THE ONLY GREEN SPACE IS THE NICE FAMILY THAT MOVED IN BEHIND ME.

SO IT'S SO THE GREEN SPACE THAT THAT'S ALL THE GREEN SPACE THAT GOES TO THE SOUTHLAKE CITY ORDINANCE IS THERE.

THAT BY THE RETENTION POND.

SO YOU WILL HAVE SOME GREEN SPACE.

YES, ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL HAVE SOME GREEN SPACE, QUITE A BIT OF GREEN SPACE.

AND YOU KNOW, WE KNEW THAT THE LOTS OF SOUTHLAKE WOODS WOULD HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.

SO WE INTENTIONALLY PUT THE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THEM.

AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

YEAH. NO, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS OFF PEYTONVILLE IN THE MORNING WITH THE SCHOOL.

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LIKE, I WORK AT THE.

I'M A FLIGHT ATTENDANT, SO IF I WANT TO HAVE A SIGN IN AROUND 830, I LITERALLY HAVE TO LEAVE MY HOUSE AN HOUR AND 20 MINUTES BEFORE SIGN IN BECAUSE OF THE.

THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD.

SO THAT I WOULD WOULDN'T MIND, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WIDE ENOUGH THAT YOU KNOW, AND IT'S LONG ENOUGH THAT IT WOULDN'T BACK UP ONTO PEYTONVILLE GOING.

NO IT WOULDN'T.

WE WOULD HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF STACKING DISTANCE.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YEAH.

LIKE IN THE IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN PEOPLE COME HOME, YOU NEED A LOT OF STACKING DISTANCE.

SO NO ONE BACKS UP. YES.

WERE YOU THE DEVELOPER THAT DEVELOPED WALGREENS ON THE CORNER? NO. OH, YOU REMIND ME OF HIM.

HE WAS A REALLY NICE MAN.

YEAH, YEAH, THAT WAS ME.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. SURE.

SO SORRY. OKAY, SO SEE THE HIGHLIGHTER YELLOW AT THE BOTTOM THAT GOES RIGHT UP AGAINST THE FENCES FROM THE RESIDENCE.

THIS HERE? YEAH.

YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY GREEN, BUT.

OKAY. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GREEN ANYWAY.

OKAY. GREEN. SO THE FENCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE RIGHT NOW ARE OWNED BY THE RESIDENCES? YES. SO WILL YOURS OR THE PROPOSED SPACE GO RIGHT UP AGAINST THOSE FENCES AND BE MAINTAINED? OR IS THERE GOING TO BE SPACE BETWEEN THE FENCES AND THE HIGHLIGHTER GREEN, AND IF SO, WHO WILL MAINTAIN THAT? WELL, GENERALLY YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT TWO FENCES AGAINST EACH OTHER BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE PROBLEMS IN BETWEEN.

CORRECT. WE WOULD PROPOSE TO LEAVE THE EXISTING FENCE.

OKAY. AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE ANY REPAIRS OR EVEN UPKEEP ON OUR SIDE OF IT.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO BE GETTING INTO THEIR BACKYARDS, BUT.

YEP. YEAH.

OKAY. BUT I'M OPEN.

WE'RE OPEN. YOU KNOW, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TALK WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE AND LOOK IN DETAIL AT THE CONDITION OF THE FENCE AND OKAY AND.

NO THAT'LL BE GOOD THOUGH. SO THERE'S NOT THE FENCE FROM THE HOMEOWNER THAT'S NOT YOURS.

AND THEN THERE'S SPACE IN BETWEEN THAT.

RIGHT. THAT'S NOT A GOOD PLAN.

OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THERE IS A NATURAL DRAINAGE THROUGH THAT SECTION OF SOUTHLAKE WOODS.

IT'S RIGHT HERE. RIGHT THERE.

OKAY. AND IT GOES THROUGH.

AND SO OUR RETENTION POND WOULD ALSO DETAIN THE RUNOFF UNTIL IT CAN BE LET LOOSE.

AND THEN IT WOULD GO THROUGH THERE.

AND OF COURSE, OUR DUTY IS TO NOT INCREASE THE FLOW FROM WHAT IT IS NOW, AS YOU REMEMBER.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON HAVING THE GREEN SPACE AREA ADJACENT TO OUR HOMEOWNERS ALONG THAT SECTION OF INDIAN PAINTBRUSH.

I THINK THAT'S VERY GOOD FOR THE LOTS THEMSELVES.

YOU'VE GOT 30 HOMES ON PROBABLY MAYBE TEN ACRES.

YOU SAID THE WHOLE ENTIRE AREA IS A LITTLE OVER 15.

AND SO WHAT ARE THESE LOTS GOING TO BE? ARE THEY GOING TO BE, LIKE, ABOUT A THIRD OF AN ACRE? THEY'RE THEY RANGE FROM SIX 700FT² TO, YOU KNOW, TEN, 11, 12,000FT². THEY'RE ARE 50 BY 135 IN IN SIZE.

OKAY. I WILL POINT OUT THAT WHEN HAWKWOOD WAS GOING THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS, THEY ALSO HAD REQUESTED A GATED ENTRANCE.

THAT COUNCIL TURNED DOWN.

RIGHT. IS THAT A MAKE OR BREAK ISSUE FOR YOU? NO. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IMPROVES THE VALUES AND THE QUALITY OF THE HOMES THAT CAN BE BUILT THERE AND WHATEVER.

AND SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR.

BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT IT, THEN WE WOULD PROCEED WITHOUT IT.

SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE CITY.

DID I GUESS THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE DOING SOME IMPROVEMENT OF THAT SECTION OF PEYTONVILLE.

AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE AREA SOUTH OF WORK.

WALGREENS AND THE PROFESSIONAL BUILDING IS RIGHT.

SO STARTING ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE COMING OUT.

THERE'S A STRETCH THERE.

OH, MAYBE 70 OR 80FT LONG THAT THE CITY ACTUALLY THOUGHT THEY WERE

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AND NOW IT IS A VERY BUMPY MESS.

WHEN YOU GO ACROSS THAT, I ASSUME THAT'S GOING TO JUST GET WORSE AS CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES ARE TRAVELING UP AND DOWN HERE WHERE IT TRANSITIONS.

SEE, IT'S FOUR LANES BASICALLY TO THE SECOND ENTRY TO THE HIGH SCHOOL PARKING LOT.

AND THEN IT TRANSITIONS DOWN TO A TWO LANE ROAD IN THIS LOCATION HERE.

THAT MAY BE I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S CLOSER TO THAT AREA.

YEAH. THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE IT IS TYPICALLY.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SO BECAUSE WE BACK MY HOUSE BACKS UP TO HOPKINS BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH IT.

AND WHAT WAS SAID IN COUNCIL WASN'T HONORED AFTER THE FACT.

AND WHEN I WOULD CALL THE CITY, THEY WOULD JUST SAY, TOO BAD.

AND I WAS ONE OF THE FORTUNATE ONES THAT MY FENCE MAINTAINED.

AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME WANTED ONLY AN IRON FENCE.

BUT NOW IT'S A MIX MATCH.

AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE HOUSES, LIKE REALLY RIGHT UP TO MY NEIGHBORS, I WAS LUCKY.

I WAS THE FORTUNATE ONE, AND I PROBABLY BECAUSE I FOUGHT THE HARDEST FOR IT.

BUT THE FENCE THING MADE ME A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN AGREEMENT AND THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT WITH US, AND THEN IT WAS BROKEN BY THE FORMER DEVELOPER.

SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE FENCE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING, JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO US, MAYBE IF SOMETHING CAN BE CONSISTENT WITH THEM.

BUT I AM, THE ONLY THING THAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT IS I DIDN'T REALIZE THE LOTS WERE SO SMALL.

SO IS IT A MAKE OR BREAK THAT YOU HAVE THE 30, OR COULD YOU GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT LIKE MAKE THE LOTS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER? YOU KNOW, IN THIS IN THIS DAY AND AGE ESPECIALLY THIS, AS SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL, THIS PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY WENT THROUGH ZONING A FEW YEARS AGO FOR A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

RIGHT, RIGHT. AND SO THIS WOULD BE A CONVERSION OF COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.

RIGHT. RIGHT.

ERGO, THE PROPERTY IS IS FAIRLY EXPENSIVE.

SO YOU KNOW, IT'S THESE ARE SIMILAR IN SIZE TO A COUPLE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED HERE.

YEAH. LIKE WHAT? TIMBERON HAS SOME SMALLER LOTS.

RIGHT. AND OVER HERE, ACROSS THE STREET AND DOWN ON BRUMLOW RECENTLY.

IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

I YOU KNOW, I KNOW NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT ECONOMIC ISSUES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE VALUE OF THESE HOMES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE GREAT ADDITIONS TO THE CITY.

AND IT'S ALSO TRUE THAT THERE'S A GREAT DEMAND BY PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO HAVE KIDS, HAVE GROWN UP AND GONE AND NO LONGER WANT THE BIG YARD TO STILL STAY IN SOUTHLAKE AND YEAH, HAVE A REAL NICE HOME, BUT NOT A HUGE YARD TO TAKE CARE OF.

SO YEAH, LIKE US, WE HAVE A BIG YARD.

BUT I DO LOVE MY YARD BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF PRIVACY TOO, BECAUSE IT'S SO BIG.

OKAY, SO WHERE IS THAT DRIVEWAY, EXACTLY? IS IT BEHIND? IS IT GOING TO BE COMING AFTER THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE OR BEFORE THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE? I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YES, THIS THERE'S THE WALGREENS.

OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S THE ENTRY THAT YOU CAN GO TO BOTH THIS OFFICE BUILDING HERE AND UP TO WALGREENS IN HERE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE NEXT PARCEL.

THERE USED TO BE OLD HOMES ON THERE.

THOSE HAVE BEEN REMOVED SOME TIME AGO, AND THAT WAS WHERE I THINK THE SCHOOL WAS GOING TO PUT THE PARKING LOT FOR THE ADDED ADDITION FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT.

IT WAS PREVIOUSLY OWNED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

YES. THEY DEEMED IT EXCESS LAND AND SOLD IT.

THEY DID EARLIER THIS YEAR.

YES. SCHOOL.

WE PUT THAT POOL IN.

WE CAN'T EVEN GET AN HOUR OF LAP SWIMMING ANYMORE AS ADULTS.

IT'S OKAY.

THAT'S A SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT DID THAT.

OKAY. YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.

OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

SO. YES, MA'AM.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS I TOO LIVE IN SOUTHLAKE WOODS.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 24 YEARS AND LOVE IT.

LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO? I THINK THE ZERO.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S MORE LIKE ZERO LOT LINE PROPERTIES.

THEY'RE NOT ZERO ISLANDS. THEY'LL HAVE SETBACKS ON BOTH SIDES.

BUT. BUT YEAH.

SMALLER THAN YOUR LOT, CERTAINLY.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO THE QUESTION I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS PEYTONVILLE.

PEYTONVILLE IS HORRIBLE IN THE MORNING, AS WE'VE ALREADY HEARD AND WITH THE KIDS ZOOMING IN AND OUT OF THERE, FORTUNATELY, IN THE MORNINGS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE POLICE THAT ARE THERE.

AND WHERE YOU'RE COMING IN AT ARE IS THE PLAN ALSO TO MAKE SOME KIND OF CHANGES TO THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, FOUR LANES, BUT FOUR LANES IS ONE LANE IS A, YOU KNOW, LEFT HAND TURN LANE OR THE OTHER ONE IS A RIGHT HAND TURN LANE.

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RIGHT. SO THEREFORE THE TRAFFIC IS STILL GOING TO GET BOGGED DOWN, MOSTLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A POLICE OFFICER THAT'S MONITORING THE TRAFFIC.

BUT IS THERE ALSO AN INTENTION, BECAUSE OF THOSE KIDS BEING SO CRAZY THAT WHEN WE ADD THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES HERE, BECAUSE THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC ONLY COME RIGHT WHEN IT COMES OUT VERSUS BEING ABLE TO GO LEFT TO GO ACROSS THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO.

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, HERE'S THE FIRST ENTRY INTO THE HIGH SCHOOL AND AT THE SAME TIME INTO THESE WALGREENS OR WHATEVER THEIR.

RIGHT. AND THEN THERE IS A MEDIAN RIGHT FROM HERE TO HERE UNTIL YOU HAVE THE SECOND ENTRY.

THAT MEDIAN, OF COURSE, HAS A LEFT TURN LANE HERE AND A LEFT TURN LANE OVER HERE.

CORRECT. AND SO THERE IS NO WAY THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW US TO BREAK THAT MEDIAN TO HAVE LEFT TURNS IN AND OUT OF THERE.

SO ALL THE TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF OUR ENTRY WOULD HAVE TO EITHER THE ENTRY BE GOING SOUTH ON PEYTONVILLE AND RIGHT TURN IN, AND WHEN THEY LEAVE, THEY'D HAVE TO COME OUT AND MAKE A RIGHT TURN AS WELL.

AND THEY WOULD ELIMINATE PEOPLE FROM DOING U-TURNS THERE THEN TOO.

AT THIS ENTRY LOCATION, ONCE THEY GET DOWN HERE, YOU KNOW, COULD THEY TECHNICALLY DO A U-TURN? PERHAPS, BUT PROBABLY NOT IN THE TRAFFIC TIMES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, I WOULD JUST I JUST WORRY ABOUT THE KIDS.

YOU KNOW, THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST HORRIBLE.

OKAY. BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL NEW GUYS JUST GETTING LICENSES.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL I WAS WORRIED ABOUT.

THANK YOU. GOOD QUESTION.

DOES THAT MEAN IF THEY NEED IF YOUR HOME OWNERS HAVE TO MAKE THE RIGHT HAND TURN ONTO PEYTONVILLE.

YES. THERE'S NOT ONCE THAT THE MEDIAN GOES AWAY AND IT'S TWO LANES AND NO SHOULDER.

THEY A U-TURN IS NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE.

OR AT LEAST EASILY DONE WITHOUT CAUSING WRECKS.

WHICH MEANS TO ME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME DOWN TO THE FIRST ENTRANCE FOR SOUTHLAKE WOODS AND TURN IN, GO DOWN TO WHERE THAT FIRST ENTRANCE KIND OF DEAD ENDS.

DO A U, MAKE A LEFT AND A LEFT ONTO THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR ENTRANCE EXIT TO MAKE A LEFT HAND.

TURN BACK ONTO PEYTONVILLE TO GO TO 1709.

PEOPLE DO IT ALREADY.

PEOPLE DO IT ALREADY. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, MIKE.

I'M SURE SOME OF THAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT.

BUT WHERE THE MEDIAN ENDS HERE, IT'S STILL THE FOUR LANE WITH THE CENTER TURN LANE.

SO REALLY FIVE LANES WIDE AT THAT LOCATION.

SO IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR A U-TURN IN THAT LOCATION AS WELL.

RIGHT.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF OFFICE BUILDINGS ALREADY APPROVED IN THIS LOCATION JUST SOUTH OF OUR ENTRY.

SO, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY THIS PROPERTY ALONG HERE IS GOING TO DEVELOP THEIR TWO OLDER HOMES HERE, AS YOU KNOW.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REMAINING.

SO ANYWAY, TRAFFIC, THERE'S ALWAYS A SLIGHT ADDITION TO TRAFFIC WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT, BUT YOU'RE NOT TAKING THAT EXTRA BLANK LOT THERE.

IT'S UNDEVELOPED. AN INQUIRY WAS MADE, BUT THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN SELLING.

AND THEY ARE OWNED BY BROTHERS WHO I BELIEVE ARE DENTISTS AND AT ONE POINT, THEY WERE PLANNING ON BUILDING THEIR OFFICES AND MAYBE OTHERS THERE, AND THEY WENT THROUGH AND GOT A SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

THAT WAS NOT MY PROJECT, BUT I REMEMBERED THAT HAPPENING, AND I HAVE A COPY OF IT.

AND THEN THESE TWO ARE A LONG TIME HOMEOWNERS THAT HOUSES ARE UP HERE ON PEYTONVILLE AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE YOU KNOW, HAPPY WHERE THEY ARE.

WE HAVE OPEN SPACE NEXT TO THERE.

EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE REAL DEEP LOTS YOU KNOW WE WANT TO BE CONSIDERATE OF THEM AS WELL.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING?

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AND AT THIS POINT, THE ANSWER WAS NO.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF ANYONE HAS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS YOU KNOW, I'M AVAILABLE.

I'M HERE LOCAL. I'LL BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU.

IF YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW ANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US, I WOULD LOVE AN INTRODUCTION.

YOU KNOW, ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF? GOING TO SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OKAY, SUPER.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU TO ALL FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN SPIN.

REMEMBER, SPIN REPRESENTS THE FIRST STEPS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

A SPIN MEETING REPORT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE.

WE WILL INCLUDE THE SUBMITTED SPIN QUESTIONS AND OR COMMENT FORMS IN THE MEETING REPORTS.

THESE REPORTS ARE GENERAL OBSERVATIONS OF THE FORUM.

THEY ARE NOT VERBATIM.

INTERESTED PARTIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO FOLLOW THE CASE THROUGH THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE APPROXIMATELY 24 HOURS AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.