[1. Call to order.] [00:00:04] GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS SHAWN MCCASKILL AND AS THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, I WILL CALL OUR DECEMBER 3RD, 2024 SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER. OUR FIRST ITEM, AS ALWAYS, IS TO INTRODUCE CITY CHAPLAIN CLAYTON REED FROM SOUTHLAKE BAPTIST CHURCH TO LEAD US IN PRAYER, AND THEN IF YOU WOULD REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE TEXAS PLEDGE. PASTOR REED. THANK YOU, MAYOR. LET'S PRAY. LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS EVENING. WE PRAY BLESSING UPON THE COUNCIL AS THEY WORK TONIGHT. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS TO US, LORD. WE PRAY OVER OUR TOWN AND THE CHRISTMAS SEASON. WE PRAY FOR PROTECTION, AND SO MANY PEOPLE ARE VISITING AND SO MUCH ACTIVITY ON THE ROADS. WE JUST PRAY FOR PROTECTION AND BLESSING AND HELP FOR THOSE WHO ARE HELPING TO KEEP US SAFE. LORD, WE GIVE THANKS THAT YOU'RE GOOD TO US. WE GIVE THANKS THAT YOU CAME DOWN TO EARTH 2000 YEARS AGO, AND WE'RE BORN, AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE HUMILITY IN THAT, AND WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD FILL US AS WE LIVE OUR LIVES WITH HUMILITY AND GRACE AND PEACE. IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU, PASTOR REED. THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THE TEXAS PLEDGE. THANK YOU, PASTOR REED. NEXT IS WORK SESSION, ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE SOME SOUTHLAKE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE COMMUNITY ADVISOR, [INAUDIBLE] [3. Honors & Recognition: Recognizing Kind Hearts - Student Blood Drive ] , TO COME ON TO THE PODIUM AND INTRODUCE THE GROUP, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ALL THE STUDENTS COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND TALK ABOUT THEIR PARTNERSHIP WITH CARTER BLOODCARE. COME ON DOWN. YEAH. RIGHT HERE. WHERE? THE RED LIGHT. HI, MR. MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS VENKAT AND I'M AN ADVISOR FOR KIND HEARTS, AND I JUST WANT TO CALL OUR GROUP UP HERE IF IT'S OKAY. PLEASE DO. COME ON. IF YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN UP TO, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE EACH OF THE STUDENTS INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME CERTIFICATES AND WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE. SURE. SO KIND HEARTS IS ACTUALLY A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION FOUNDED BY A LOT OF HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. WE HAVE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND EVEN ONE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENT, AND THEIR MISSION IS ESSENTIALLY TO, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE WORLD THROUGH KINDNESS, AND THEY WANT TO HELP AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, AND SO FAR THEY HAVE DONE MANY EVENTS, AND ONE SUCH IS BLOOD DRIVE THAT THEY HAVE HOSTED IN KELLER, FLOWER MOUND AND SOUTHLAKE AREA, AND FOR THAT THEY BROUGHT ALMOST 60 DONORS, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO 144 LIVES SAVED, AND JUST RECENTLY AS WELL, THEY HAVE DONE A FOOD DRIVE WHICH RAISED, YOU KNOW, FOOD FOR 70 FAMILIES TO, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS PEACEFULLY AS WELL. SO AND THEY HAVE A MEDICAL CAMP IN THE WORKS. SO THESE LITTLE MINDS, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE LITTLE, THEY HAVE HUGE DREAMS, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO DO A LOT OF CHANGE. I'LL LET THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. YES. PLEASE DO. WHOEVER WANTS TO GO FIRST. GO AHEAD. HI, MY NAME IS DIVYA [INAUDIBLE]. I AM ONE OF THE FOUNDERS AND ALSO THE CEO OF KIND HEARTS FOUNDATION. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND HEARTS IS WE WANT TO USE KINDNESS TO MAKE THIS WORLD A BETTER PLACE. SO WE DO MANY DIFFERENT EVENTS TO DO THAT. SO ONE WAS THE BLOOD DRIVE, WHICH WE HAD A REALLY GOOD OUTCOME OF. WE WENT TO AN EVENT CALLED TPAD BEFORE THAT HOSTED BY THE TELANGANA PEOPLE'S ASSOCIATION OF DALLAS. SO THROUGH THAT EVENT, WE WERE ABLE TO GET SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WE HAD TO OPEN UP ANOTHER LOCATION FOR THE BLOOD DRIVE. SO OVERALL, WE HAD A REALLY GREAT SUCCESS WITH THE BLOOD DRIVE. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE]. I'M THE CHIEF RELATIONSHIP OFFICER IN THE KIND HEARTS TEAM AND ONE OF THE FOUNDERS, AND WE ALSO DID THE FOOD DRIVE, WHICH WE WHICH WAS VERY RECENT, WHERE WE HELPED PREPARE FOOD BAGS FOR THE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE, LIKE, IN POVERTY OR HOMELESS, AND THAT WAS ALSO A VERY GREAT OUTCOME AND WE WERE ABLE TO HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE. THANK YOU. HI, I'M [INAUDIBLE]. I'M A CO-FOUNDER AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE KIND HEARTS ORGANIZATION. CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE FOCUSING ON DOING MEDICAL CAMPS OVER THE SUMMER. [00:05:05] SORT OF LIKE WE'RE PLANNING TO DO SURGERIES IN UNDERPRIVILEGED AREAS FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT. SOME SUCH AS, LIKE EYE SURGERIES, LIKE CATARACT SURGERIES. IT'S LIKE A SIMPLE FIX FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH THESE, BUT THEY CAN'T REALLY AFFORD IT. SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR UPCOMING EVENTS, AND WE'RE ALSO PLANNING TO HELP PEOPLE IN UNDERPRIVILEGED AREAS BY HELPING THEM AFFORD FINANCIAL RESOURCES FOR EDUCATION, LIKE SCHOLARSHIPS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. HI, I'M [INAUDIBLE]. I SERVE AS THE CFO OF KIND HEARTS. SO BASICALLY, AS VENKAT WAS SAYING, SOME OF OUR RECENT UPCOMING EVENTS ARE CAMPS, WHICH WILL BE GIVING OPPORTUNITIES FOR STUDENTS TO HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE, HAVE SOME WORK EXPERIENCE IN OTHER FIELDS, AND OTHER EXPERIENCES IN DIFFERENT FIELDS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. HELLO, I'M THARUN ISHWAR. I'M THE CMO OR THE CHIEF MARKETING OFFICER. ALL MY OTHER PARTNERS TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT EVENTS. I'D JUST LIKE TO TALK ABOUT OUR GOAL. OVERALL, WE'RE DEDICATED TO SERVING OUR COMMUNITY IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE DONE OUR BLOOD DRIVE. WE HAVE UPCOMING EVENTS, BUT ALSO WE HAVE OUR MAIN GOAL OF PROVIDING EDUCATION TO THOSE WHO WHO HAVE THE INCENTIVE BUT JUST DON'T HAVE THE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO COME OUT AND BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THARUN AND HIS BROTHER, THEY BOTH CAME FROM HOUSTON TO COME TO THIS EVENT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT, AND I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND ALL THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS, AND ALSO MR. JENNINGS FROM CBA. MR. JENNINGS, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, MR. JENNINGS? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JEREMY JENNINGS. I AM THE DIRECTOR OF CARROLL BUSINESS ACADEMY, AND I'M SERVING HERE AS A MENTOR TO LASYA AND DIVYA. IT'S AMAZING. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY CARROLL BUSINESS ACADEMY WAS CREATED. YOU SEE YOUNG PEOPLE HERE THAT FIND A THEY SEE A NEED AND THEY FILL IT, AND THEY'RE DOING AN AMAZING JOB. I WAS BLOWN AWAY AND ACTUALLY GOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THEIR BLOOD DRIVE THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER, THAT HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS PUT TOGETHER. SO THIS IS QUITE AMAZING. THEY ARE DOING AN AMAZING JOB. I'M SO PROUD OF THEM. THANK YOU FOR THAT, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY--VOLUNTEER SERVICE, I WOULD ADD, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ON CITY COUNCIL IS A VOLUNTEER, SO WE SINCERELY APPRECIATE PEOPLE WHO LIKEWISE VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY AND DOING GOOD WORK. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE HAND OUT SOME CERTIFICATES AND TAKE A PICTURE? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME TO THE FRONT, WE'RE GOING TO FACE THAT WAY, AND WE'LL TAKE PICTURES THIS WAY AND WE HAVE SOME CERTIFICATES. THANKS, Y'ALL. LET'S GIVE YOU A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. [00:10:19] NEXT IS WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER FOUR, AN UPDATE ON THE TOWN HALL, PLAZA PARK FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND DAVID MILLER, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, IS GOING TO LEAD US THROUGH THAT [4. Update on the Town Hall Plaza Park Feasibility Study ] PRESENTATION. DIRECTOR MILLER. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M GOING TO PULL THIS UP. IT TAKES JUST A LITTLE WHILE, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW EXCITED I AM TO BE HERE TO DISCUSS THE UPDATES ON THIS PROJECT. IT'S REALLY BEEN A GREAT COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AMONGST CITY DEPARTMENTS COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS AND OUR CONSULTANTS WHO ARE REPRESENTED HERE TONIGHT AS WELL. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR TOWN HALL PLAZA PARK. THE OVERVIEW OF THIS EVENING. WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF THIS PROJECT. DISCUSS SOME OF THE ELEMENTS WITHIN THE STUDY, PRESENT SOME OF THE CONCEPTS, AND THEN ULTIMATELY BE SEEKING YOUR FEEDBACK THIS EVENING, WHICH WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT AS WE ARE CLOSE TO FINALIZING THE CIP. SO THAT FEEDBACK THIS EVENING IS GOING TO BE HELPFUL IN DETERMINING A FUNDING PLAN AND THOSE FUTURE STEPS WITHIN THE CIP. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, THOUGH, I WANT TO START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. WE FIRST BEGAN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT IN 2023 WITH THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES WORKSHOP. DURING THAT MEETING, WE DISCUSSED THE OVERALL CONCEPT AND FOCUSED ON IDEAS TO UPDATE THE PARK TO INCLUDE VISITOR AMENITIES SUCH AS PUBLIC RESTROOMS VISITOR SERVICES, WI-FI, CHARGING STATIONS, AND PUBLIC ART. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT PARK UTILIZATION AND MAINTENANCE, SO SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT UTILITY UPGRADES, ELECTRICAL LIGHTING, AND FOOD TRUCK SUPPORT, FLEXIBLE LAWN SPACES, THE POTENTIAL OF ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THE ENVIRONMENT TO ADDRESS MAINTENANCE AND USE CHALLENGES, A SAFE CLOSURE OF FOUNTAIN AND MAIN, AND SUPPORT FOR TECHNOLOGY AND UPDATES TO THE FOUNTAIN. DURING THAT MEETING, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO GO FORWARD AND CONTINUE WORK TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF POTENTIALLY CLOSING FOUNTAIN AND MAIN. SO AT THAT TIME, IN THE SPRING OF 2023, WE DID CONDUCT A TRAFFIC STUDY WITH KIMLEY-HORN TO UNDERSTAND THAT IMPACT. WE LEARNED THAT A CLOSURE OF MAIN STREET WOULD HAVE SOME IMPACT IN THOSE PEAK TIMES AND HOLIDAY TIMES, REQUIRING SOME LEVEL OF TRAFFIC CONTROL. SO IN JUNE OF 2023, WE PRESENTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO COUNCIL AT THE JUNE 2023 WORKSHOP, CONCEPT WAS REFINED BASED ON BOTH COUNCIL FEEDBACK AND STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK, WHICH SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK AT A FLEXIBLE MAIN STREET THAT WOULD NOT BE PERMANENTLY CLOSED, AND A CLOSURE OF FOUNTAIN PLACE, AND THE POTENTIAL FOR A GAZEBO AND RESTROOMS TO BE REIMAGINED, VISITOR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE POND AND SOME POTENTIAL PARKING SHIFTS. SO FAST FORWARD TO THIS SPRING, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND ENGAGED WITH TSK ARCHITECTS AND KIMLEY-HORN, THEIR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN BOTH ARCHITECTURE AND LANDSCAPING AND STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING. WE ALSO ENGAGED WITH EXPERTS IN AV AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS TO TRULY UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT, THE SCOPE AND THE COST, AND LIKE I SAID, WE DO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM KIMLEY-HORN WITH US THIS EVENING WHO HAVE WORKED HARD ON THIS PROJECT. THIS TRULY WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO MAKE SURE WE DID CAPTURE ALL COSTS, AND WE DO HAVE THREE CONCEPTS TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT. EACH CONCEPT HAS ELEMENTS THAT CAN BE INTEGRATED INTO OTHER CONCEPTS DEPENDING ON PREFERENCE, AND OF COURSE WE HAVE COST ESTIMATES AS WELL. SO MOVING FORWARD TO SOME OF THE ELEMENTS, THIS FIRST SCREEN SHOWS SOME ELEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO GROW AS YOU SEE EACH CONCEPT. SO IN CONCEPT A YOU WILL SEE SOME ARTIFICIAL TURF AND THAT WILL INCREASE THROUGHOUT THE CONCEPT, AND CONCEPT A, YOU WILL SEE SOME IT AND WI-FI IMPROVEMENTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE SET IN PLACE TO INCREASE THOSE AS THE CONCEPTS GO ON, AS WELL AS SOME HARDSCAPING LIGHTING AND POND SIZE AND DEPTH, AND SO THESE ARE INTERCHANGEABLE IF YOU GUYS LOVE COUNTS OR CONCEPT A, BUT YOU WANT THE HIGHEST IMPACT OF WI-FI, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE DONE ON THIS SCREEN. WE'LL START ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, AND THESE ARE CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU WILL SEE IN ALL THE CONCEPTS. SO ELECTRICAL CAPACITY FOOD TRUCK CAPACITY, CAPACITY TO BRING ELECTRICAL TO TENTS IN OUR LARGE EVENTS, SHADE STRUCTURES, WATER CONDUIT FOR FUTURE IT AND AV IMPROVEMENTS. SECURITY CAMERAS WORK ON THE POND RETAINING WALL WHICH NEEDS SOME REPAIR A BANNER ATTACHMENT FOR TOWN HALL AND THEN ALSO AMENITY CENTER AND PUBLIC RESTROOMS, AND THE REASON WHY THESE ARE INCLUDED IN ALL CONCEPTS, AS MANY OF THESE ARE UNDERGROUND IMPROVEMENTS, AND SO RATHER THAN GOING UNDERGROUND MULTIPLE TIMES, WE WANTED TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. YOU'LL ALSO NOTE SOME OF THE ASTERISKS THERE. THOSE REPRESENT SOME OF THE URGENT NEEDS IN THE PARK. SO WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CONCEPT TONIGHT YOU WILL SEE SOME LEVEL OF PROJECT WITHIN THE CIP TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE URGENT NEEDS WITH ELECTRICITY, SOME SOME NEEDS WITH THE POND, SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CURRENT GAZEBO AS WELL THAT ARE CURRENTLY NEEDED. [00:15:06] ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME ELEMENTS THAT WILL CHANGE IN EACH CONCEPT. YOU'LL SEE DIFFERENT GAZEBOS, SOME DIFFERENT POND OVERLOOKS, AND INTERACTION WITH THE POND, DIFFERENT FOUNTAINS AND BOLLARDS AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. AS WE KNOW, EVENTS PLAY A BIG ROLE IN TOWN SQUARE, AND SO AS PART OF THE STUDY, WE ASKED THE CONSULTANT TO EVALUATE HOW THE PROPOSED LOCATION AND RENOVATIONS WOULD IMPACT THE FUNCTIONALITY OF TENTS FOR OUR BIGGER EVENTS. THIS GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATES THAT IN THE DIRECT TOWN HALL FAMILY PARK IN RUSTON PARK ENVIRONMENT. ANY UPDATES WOULD COMFORTABLY ACCOMMODATE 155 TEN BY TEN TENTS, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN IS CURRENTLY ACCOMMODATED IN THAT DIRECT ENVIRONMENT. CURRENTLY, WITH OUR EVENTS SO DEPENDENT ON THE CONCEPT, COUNCIL DECIDES THE LAYOUT MAY CHANGE FROM WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, BUT IT DOES COMFORTABLY FIT ALL OF THOSE TENTS. WE ALSO TOOK A LOOK AT DIFFERENT BOLLARDS, AND SO THIS SLIDE YOU'LL SEE WE'VE EVALUATED THE ADDITION OF BOLLARDS AT FOUNTAIN AND MAIN TO ALLOW FOR EITHER A PERMANENT OR EVENT BASED CLOSURES OF THOSE STREETS. BOLLARDS WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THOSE TEMPORARY BARRICADES WITHIN THAT DESIGNATED FOOTPRINT. SO THE THREE OPTIONS VARIED IN COST AND FUNCTIONALITY, BUT EACH HAD A CRASH RATING THAT WOULD PREVENT VEHICLES FROM GETTING INTO THE ENVIRONMENT, AND SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS STUDY, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND CONCEPT BE BECAUSE IT HAS THAT CRASH RATING. IT IS IT'S ESTHETICALLY PLEASING, BUT IT'S ALSO A COST EFFECTIVE AND REMOVABLE OPTION. SO MOVING FORWARD TO THE CONCEPTS, I WILL HIGHLIGHT HERE THAT THESE ARE JUST CONCEPTS, AND SO THESE MAY CHANGE. THESE ARE NOT FINAL DESIGN ELEMENTS. SO THE FEEDBACK THIS EVENING IS GOING TO BE ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE PLAN VIEW OF CONCEPT A. SO YOU SEE SOME OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES. WE'LL START AT THE VERY TOP, AND I'LL USE MY CURSOR HERE. SO YOU SEE MAIN STREET IS PROPOSED TO BE TABLED WITH REMOVABLE BOLLARDS, AND TABLED ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT IT WILL RAISE UP TO LEVEL PLANE WITH THE REST OF THE PARK. IT'S A TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURE, BUT IT WILL ALSO GIVE YOU THAT CONSISTENT PATH FROM TOWN HALL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GAZEBO. YOU'LL SEE SHADE STRUCTURES LOCATED HERE AND ALL THE CONCEPTS. YOU'LL SEE ARTIFICIAL TURF AND TURF IN THIS CONCEPT IS IN THE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE WE EITHER HAVE TROUBLE GETTING GRASS TO GROW BECAUSE IT'S HEAVILY SHADED, OR THOSE HEAVY IMPACT AREAS LIKE THIS MAIN LAWN FOR EVENTS. SO WE HAVE ADDRESSED TURF OR PUT TURF IN THIS AREA AS WELL, BECAUSE IT IS THAT HIGH TRAFFIC AREA. SO THAT WILL BE REPRESENTED IN THE DARK GREEN. FOUNTAIN STREET IS TABLED AS WELL. YOU HAVE SOME SITES FOR FOOD TRUCKS AND THEN ULTIMATELY YOU HAVE AN OVERLOOK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE POND TO BRING SOME INTERACTION TO THAT SIDE OF THE PARK, AND THEN ULTIMATELY UP HERE ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE OF THE PARK, YOU'LL SEE THE VISITOR AMENITIES AND RESTROOMS, AND I'D LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION THERE, BECAUSE INITIALLY WE WORKED TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVE PLACEMENTS, INCLUDING ONE ADJACENT TO THE GAZEBO, BUT THIS OPTION POSED SOME CHALLENGES. ONE WAS THE PROXIMITY TO THE POND, A LARGER FOOTPRINT THAT REDUCED USABLE PARK SPACE. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT IT IN AN AREA THAT WAS USABLE FOR OTHER USES, AND IT ALSO CREATED A VISUAL BARRIER BETWEEN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARK AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PARK, SO YOU'LL SEE THESE REPRESENTED HERE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PRESENTATION AND THIS WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE IT'S A MINIMAL FOOTPRINT. IT BALANCES THE NEED FOR RESTROOMS, WHICH WOULD BE A SINGLE STALL FOR BOTH MEN'S AND WOMEN'S ON EACH SIDE. VISITOR AMENITIES, INCLUDING SOME HIGH END VENDING LIKE YOU SEE IN THE BREEZEWAY NORTH OF TOWN HALL. DIGITAL SIGNAGE AND LOCATIONS FOR POSSIBLE ART, AS WELL AS STORAGE FOR IT AND AV EQUIPMENT, BUT IT PRESERVES THE PARK'S SIGHTLINES, WHICH WAS REALLY IMPORTANT. THIS AREA MADE SENSE BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN GRASS. IT'S OFTEN MUDDY AND RARELY USED BY VENDORS, MAKING IT LESS IMPACTFUL TO REPURPOSE. SO MOVING FORWARD, YOU'LL SEE. CONCEPT A THIS IS SOME OF THE PERSPECTIVES. THIS IS THE CURRENT GAZEBO, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS FROM THE TABLE AREA ON FOUNTAIN LOOKING SOUTH. THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT THE SHADE STRUCTURES COULD LOOK LIKE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. YOU SEE THE FOUNTAIN DOES NOT CHANGE IN THIS. SO THIS IS THE CURRENT FOUNTAIN WITH THE SHADE STRUCTURES, AND YOU SEE THE VISITOR AMENITIES AND RESTROOMS OFF TO YOUR LEFT AND RIGHT. THIS GIVES YOU A VIEW OF WHAT THAT OVERLOOK FROM THE POND WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE SOUTH SIDE. SO YOU SEE, IT BRINGS SOME INTERACTION TO THAT SIDE OF THE PARK. YOU OFTEN SEE PEOPLE SETTING UP FOR STARS AND STRIPES THEIR CHAIRS ON THAT END OF THE PARK AND SO THIS JUST GIVES ANOTHER ELEMENT TO THAT DESIGN. HIGHER END PERSPECTIVE OF THAT, AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH FROM TOWN HALL. SO THE SIGHTLINES ARE STILL PRESERVED. THE SHADE STRUCTURES AND THOSE RESTROOMS ARE KIND OF TUCKED AWAY WITHIN THE CURRENT TREES, AND THEN THESE CONCEPTS ALL TREES ARE PROPOSED TO STAY AS WELL. [00:20:04] THIS IS A VIEW OF WHAT THE VISITOR AMENITIES AND RESTROOMS WOULD LOOK LIKE. THIS IS FROM STATE STREET. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A PASS THROUGH WHERE THERE WOULD BE SOME VENDING MACHINES POTENTIALLY, AND IT GOES INTO THE REST OF THE PARK WHERE YOU HAVE THE SHADE STRUCTURES, AND ULTIMATELY ONE LAST VIEW OF THAT PERSPECTIVE. SO LOOKING AT AN OVERVIEW, WE'LL START WITH THE TIMING. DESIGN WOULD TAKE ROUGHLY 6 TO 10 MONTHS FOR THIS OPTION AND CONSTRUCTION WOULD TAKE ABOUT 6 TO 8 MONTHS. SO REGARDLESS OF THE OPTIONS PRESENTED TONIGHT, THERE WOULD BE SOME IMPACT TO EVENTS. THESE COST CONSIDERATIONS YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT. THESE ARE HIGH END COST CONSIDERATIONS. SO THEY INCLUDE CONTINGENCY CONTINGENCY FOR HOW THE PROJECT IS DELIVERED, MOBILIZATION COSTS, GENERAL SITE CONDITIONS WHICH AREN'T KNOWN AND INDIRECT COSTS FOR DESIGN AND ENGINEERING. SO YOU SEE YOUR PRESENT DAY COST, AND THEN THE 2026 COST IS HIGHLIGHTED BECAUSE THAT'S THE SOONEST, BASED ON DESIGN TIMELINES, THAT THIS PROJECT COULD START, AND IT ALSO REPRESENTS THE MOST COST EFFICIENT BASED ON. YOU CAN SEE THE COST CONTINUES TO ESCALATE OUT INTO 29. THAT COST JUST CONTINUES TO GO UP. MOVING FORWARD TO CONCEPT B, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN RED FOR CLARITY, SO YOU WILL SEE A NEW FOUNTAIN. IN THESE PERSPECTIVE IMAGES, YOU'LL SEE A SLIGHT EXPANSION OF THE ARTIFICIAL TURF. FOUNTAIN PLACE IS CLOSED IN THIS OPTION, SO YOU'LL SEE SOME PLAZA SEATING. THERE'S REMOVABLE BOLLARDS THERE AND A RAMPED CURVE SO FOOD TRUCKS COULD GET INTO THAT ENVIRONMENT FOR EVENTS, BUT OTHERWISE IT COULD BE USED AS JUST ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR INTERACTION. THERE WILL BE A NEW GAZEBO IN THIS OPTION, AS WELL AS OVERLOOKS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE POND, AS WELL AS A NEW POND WATER FEATURE THAT INSTEAD OF THE MULTIPLE SMALLER FEATURES, YOU'D HAVE A LARGER, MORE PROMINENT FEATURE IN THIS OPTION. THE NEW GAZEBO IN THIS CONCEPT IS A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED VERSION OF THE CURRENT GAZEBO, SO IT'S DESIGNED TO ESSENTIALLY MAINTAIN THE CHARM AND STYLE OF THE ORIGINAL WHILE INCORPORATING SOME OF THE KEY IMPROVEMENTS. THERE WOULD BE A LARGER SIZE, ENHANCED ACCESSIBILITY, PERFORMANCE LIGHTING, SOME BUILT IN AV CAPABILITIES AND THE USE OF MORE DURABLE MATERIALS. SO YOU'D HAVE STEEL WRAPPED IN COMPOSITE WOOD, SOME SYNTHETIC SLATE SHINGLES. TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'RE SEEING WITH THE CURRENT GAZEBO THAT'S MADE OUT OF REGULAR WOOD. THIS GAZEBO WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT ADDITIONAL POND OVERLOOK, AND THESE ENHANCEMENTS ALIGN WITH A LOT OF THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK WHILE PRESERVING THE TRADITIONAL GAZEBO FEEL. I'LL NOTE THAT WE DID WORK WITH THE DESIGNER ON SOME DRAFT CONCEPTS OF SOME ALTERNATIVE, SOME STAGES, AND MORE PAVILION TYPE CONCEPTS, BUT THEY DIDN'T CAPTURE THAT GAZEBO, THAT TRADITIONAL FEEL OF THE PARK. WELL, AND SO WE DID STICK TO GAZEBOS FOR THIS PRESENTATION. SOME ADDITIONAL UPGRADES IN THIS CONCEPT INCLUDE A DEEPER POND WITH SOME ESTHETIC UPGRADES. A LARGER FOUNTAIN AND THE AV SYSTEM WOULD BE ELEVATED AS WELL. SO YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT LOOKS LIKE THE CURRENT GAZEBO, BUT IT IS LARGER, IT'S WIDER AND YOU'LL SEE SOME DIFFERENT ENTRY POINTS IN THE LATER SLIDES. THIS HERE IS A PROPOSED LARGER FOUNTAIN. IT'S ABOUT TWICE THE SIZE OF THE CURRENT FOUNTAIN AND GIVES YOU A MORE ELEVATED WATER FEATURE, A MORE PROMINENT COMPONENT ON THAT SIDE OF THE PARK. YOU CAN SEE HERE AGAIN A NEW, MORE PROMINENT WATER FEATURE IN THE POND, AND YOU HAVE THOSE OUTLOOKS ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES. SO YOU COULD GO BEHIND THE GAZEBO AND SIT AND LOOK AT THE POND, OR LOOK AT IT FROM THE SOUTH SIDE. THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THAT PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN FROM TOWN HALL LOOKING SOUTH, YOUR VISITOR AMENITIES CENTERS DON'T CHANGE IN ANY OF THE CONCEPTS, AND THEN HERE'S YOUR PERSPECTIVE WITH SOME BETTER ACCESSIBILITY INTO THE GAZEBO. INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO STRAIGHT UP THE RAMP AND CUT IN, IT'S A MORE GRADUAL ENTRANCE INTO THE GAZEBO, AND HERE WE HAVE A VIDEO TO ILLUSTRATE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES. SO YOU'LL SEE. THAT OVERLOOK WOULD BE A SLOPED AREA. YOU HAVE THE SAME LOOK AND FEEL OF THE CURRENT GAZEBO, AND THESE RAILINGS ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE GAZEBO WOULD BE REMOVABLE. SO FOR EASIER ACCESS FOR EVENTS AND USING THAT SPACE MORE LIKE A STAGE, YOU SEE YOUR PLAZA AREA HERE, WHICH IS REPRESENTED WITH FOOD TRUCKS, BUT ON AN EVERYDAY YOU COULD HAVE CHAIRS, TABLES, ANY MANNER OF SEATING ELEMENTS THERE, AND THEN GOING UP STATE STREET, YOU SEE WHAT THE RESTROOMS AND AMENITY CENTERS WOULD LOOK LIKE. YOU HAVE A SPRINKLES CUPCAKE MACHINE IN THERE TO SHOW WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE, AND THEN YOUR SHADE STRUCTURES, AND IT GIVES YOU AN ALTERNATIVE VIEW OF THE AMENITY CENTER HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE SOME DIGITAL SIGNAGE COULD BE PLACED THAT GIVES YOU INFORMATION ABOUT TOWN SQUARE, AND [00:25:11] THEN IT WILL MOVE BACK AND GIVE YOU THAT HIGH END VIEW OF THE ENTIRE PARK. SO YOUR SIGHTLINES ARE STILL PRESERVED. YOU HAVE THAT HIGHER END FOUNTAIN, WHICH GIVES YOU MORE OF A FOCAL POINT IN THE SPACE, AND THEN ULTIMATELY GOING BACK. TO THE GAZEBO. SO THEN FOR CONCEPT B, THE TIMING DESIGN DOES INCREASE BY A FEW MONTHS. THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD ALSO INCREASE TO ABOUT 9 TO 10 MONTHS, AND THEN YOUR COST CONSIDERATIONS AGAIN ON THE VERY HIGH END. SO OF COURSE STAFF WOULD WORK TO BRING DOWN THOSE COSTS ANY WAY WE COULD, AND YOUR PRESENT DAY COSTS WOULD BE ABOUT 19 MILLION. YOUR '26 COST ABOUT 22 MILLION, AND THEN '29 COST AROUND 27 MILLION. MOVING FORWARD TO CONCEPT C AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THE ENHANCEMENTS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, SO YOU'LL SEE SOME ADDITIONAL SEATING ON THE NORTH END OF THE PARK. ARTIFICIAL TURF IS IN THE FULL ENVIRONMENT HERE. THERE WILL BE AN EVEN LARGER FOUNTAIN THAT REALLY CREATES A FOCAL POINT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARK. A NEW GAZEBO, A SLIGHTLY LARGER POND, WATER FEATURE, AND A LARGER OVERLOOK ON THE SOUTH END OF THE NEW GAZEBO. THE GAZEBO IN THIS CONCEPT WILL BE REIMAGINED MAINTAINS A NOD TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, BUT IT'S A LARGER SCALE, ABOUT 300FT² LARGER. IT'S CONSTRUCTED WITH THOSE SAME DURABLE MATERIALS, BUT IT WILL INCLUDE A THIRD TIER, A WIDER ENTRY POINT, AND AN ELEVATED SHAPE. IT ALSO INCLUDES HIGHER LEVEL AV SYSTEM, HIGHER LEVEL LIGHTING, AND AGAIN, THAT ADDITIONAL SEATING THAT I MENTIONED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE POND. SO YOU'LL SEE HERE THE VIEW OF THAT GAZEBO. YOU'VE GOT A THIRD TIER THERE. IT STILL HARKENS BACK TO THE ORIGINAL GAZEBO BUT A LITTLE BIT ELEVATED. YOU'VE GOT YOUR MORE PROMINENT WATER FEATURE HERE IN THE CENTER OF THE PARK. YOUR VIEW FROM THE SOUTH OVERLOOK, AND THEN THAT VIEW LOOKING SOUTH. YOU SEE THE SEATING THERE ON THE NORTH END OF THE PARK WITH SOME PLANTER BOXES THERE TO KIND OF CREATE A BUFFER, AND YOUR VISITOR AMENITIES CENTER AND YOUR CLOSE UP VIEW OF THE GAZEBO AND THEN WE HAVE A VIDEO OF THIS PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. AGAIN IT WILL FOLLOW THE SAME PATH. WHEN YOU GET INSIDE YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S GOT THAT ELEVATED CEILING WHICH THE CURRENT GAZEBO DOES HAVE AS WELL. SO YOU COULD HAVE DIFFERENT ENHANCEMENTS. YOU WOULD HAVE SOME AV AND SOME LIGHTING POTENTIALLY IN THERE, AND THEN IT TAKES YOU OUT TO YOUR PLAZA AREA. AGAIN REPRESENTED WITH THE FOOD TRUCKS AND MULTIPLE USES FOR THAT SPACE, AND THEN HERE WITH THE VISITOR AMENITIES CENTER, YOU'LL SEE SOME ART REPRESENTED ON ONE SIDE TO SHOW SOME POTENTIAL FOR PUBLIC ART WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENT. SO YOU SEE THE I BELIEVE IN SOUTHLAKE MURAL REPRESENTED THERE JUST AS AN OPTION TO SHOW HOW ART COULD BE INCORPORATED AS WELL AS YOUR DIGITAL SIGNAGE, AND THEN AGAIN, IT WILL TAKE YOU OUT AND SHOW YOU THAT SEATING AREA ON THE NORTH END, AND THEN ULTIMATELY BACK TO THE GAZEBO. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE DESIGN GOES UP AND TIMING THE CONSTRUCTION GOES UP AND THOSE COSTS GO UP AS WELL. WITH THE FY 26 COST BEING ABOUT 28 MILLION FOR THAT ALL IN CONCEPT. SO IN SUMMARY, CONCEPT A HAS THE CURRENT GAZEBO WITH JUST SOME ESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS TO IT. YOU HAVE A LARGER VERSION OF THE CURRENT GAZEBO IN CONCEPT B WITH THAT NEW DESIGN AND CONCEPT C AND THESE GAZEBOS. THE NEW GAZEBO IN CONCEPT B IS ROUGHLY $600,000. THE CONCEPT C GAZEBO IS AROUND $800,000, SO THEY DON'T REPRESENT HUGE COST DRIVERS TO THE PROJECT. ONE OF THE LARGEST COST DRIVERS IS ACTUALLY THESE POND OVERLOOKS, SO EACH OVERLOOK BETWEEN THE RETAINING WALL WORK AND THE OVERLOOK ITSELF REPRESENTS ABOUT $2 MILLION. SO THAT'S A 2 TO $4 MILLION IN SAVINGS JUST LOOKING AT THOSE OVERLOOKS, BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE A SOUTH OVERLOOK ON CONCEPT A, YOU HAVE THE [00:30:03] NORTH AND SOUTH OVERLOOKS ON BOTH CONCEPT B AND C, AND THEN YOUR FOUNTAIN CONCEPTS. YOU'VE GOT THE CURRENT FOUNTAIN AND CONCEPT A, SLIGHTLY LARGER AND B AND THEN THAT LARGER OPTION AND CONCEPT C AND THOSE RANGE. THE CONCEPT B FOUNTAIN IS ABOUT $300,000, WITH NEW FOUNTAIN AND NEW LIGHTING, AND THE CONCEPT C FOUNTAIN IS ABOUT $480,000 JUST FOR REFERENCE. AGAIN, JUST AN OVERVIEW OF EACH CONCEPT AND THEIR FY 26 COST REPRESENTED HERE. SO CONCEPT A IS ABOUT 13 MILLION. CONCEPT B ON 22 AND THEN CONCEPT C AT 28, AND SO ULTIMATELY AT THIS POINT WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FEEDBACK ON IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC CONCEPT THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, ANY SPECIFIC ELEMENTS YOU WOULD PRIORITIZE, AND AGAIN, HELPING US TO COME UP WITH THAT FUNDING PLAN WITHIN THE CIP, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS LISTED BELOW AND KIND OF THE SCALE, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MILLER. THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO REMODEL THAT PARK SPACE. I'M GOING TO NEED TO DIGEST THIS TO BE CANDID. I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE CAUGHT ALL THAT AND GOT IT ALL ON FIRST PASS. I'M NOT SURE I'M READY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, A, B OR C RIGHT NOW. THERE'S, I THINK, PARTS OF EACH ONE THAT I MIGHT WANT TO PUT TOGETHER AND SEE HOW THAT PUZZLE LOOKS WHEN YOU TAKE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS FROM DIFFERENT PLANS, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE MONEY PART OBVIOUSLY, BUT I'LL OPEN UP TO COUNCIL. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? YEAH I WOULD AGREE MAYOR. IT'S ALL A LITTLE BIT OVERWHELMING, AND IT'S HARD WHEN WE SEE THOSE BIG NUMBERS. RIGHT. LIKE I THINK AS A COMMUNITY WE ALL AGREE WE NEED SOME AMENITIES IN TOWN SQUARE. WE NEED RESTROOMS, YOU KNOW, WATER BOTTLE FILLING STATIONS. I REALLY LIKE THE SECURITY FEATURE. WHAT DO YOU CALL THOSE THINGS, THOSE? I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED THOSE TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM DRIVING THROUGH OUR TRAGEDY THAT WE JUST ALL WE WANT TO LOOK BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR OUR PEOPLE ARE SAFE AND OUR FESTIVALS AND OUR PEOPLE ARE HERE SAFE, BUT I KNOW C BLOWS ME AWAY WITH THE MONEY. I THINK A KIND OF DOESN'T DO ENOUGH. WE SPEND ALL THAT MONEY, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GET WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR. SO I THINK THE. I THINK THE ANSWER IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE THE MAYOR WAS SAYING, PICK APART THIS FROM THAT ONE AND THAT FROM THAT ONE AND I'M KIND OF IN THE SAME PLACE. IT WAS A LOT TO DIGEST AND MAYBE WOULD LOVE A SECOND GO AT IT. GO AHEAD. YEAH, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THAT. I THINK THAT THIS IS A PLACE WHERE WE SHOULD SPEND MONEY, THOUGH I DO THINK THAT THE TOWN SQUARE IS PROBABLY THE, THE, THE CENTRAL PIECE OF SOUTHLAKE. IT'S WHAT SET US APART TO BEGIN WITH, AND I THINK IT'S WHAT KEEPS US KIND OF DRIVING FROM THAT STANDPOINT. I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY SHOULD INVEST IN. I TEND TO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN THAT A DOESN'T QUITE DO ENOUGH, BUT I THINK C GOES A LITTLE OVERBOARD. A COUPLE OF THINGS I LIKE. I DON'T LOVE THE I LIKE THE BIGGEST FOUNTAIN IN OPTION C, BUT I THINK CHANGING THE WATER FEATURE PIECE AND B AND C, BASICALLY WHAT I ENVISION IS WHEN YOU PUT THAT OTHER OVERLOOK IN, I WOULD ENVISION SITTING THERE AND WATCHING CONCERTS GOING ON, AND THE PROBLEM IS, IF YOU PUT THAT BIG FEATURE IN, YOU'RE JUST STARING AT THE FEATURE, YOU KIND OF LOSE SIGHT OF THE GAZEBO. SO I STILL LIKE THE SMALLER ONES ON THE SIDE WITH THAT, SO YOU CAN SEE, SO YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE GAZEBO AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. I'M NOT SURE I LOVE THE IDEA OF SEATS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE GAZEBO, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO WANT TO SIT THAT CLOSE TO THE BACK OF THE CONCERT. LIKE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN SITTING AWAY FROM THE CONCERT AND WATCHING THE BACK OF IT, AND THEN SITTING RIGHT UP ON TOP OF IT. I DON'T LOVE THE IDEA OF CLOSING DOWN WHATEVER THAT STREET IS IN PLACE. WHAT IS IT? FOUNTAIN WAY. JUST BECAUSE THERE'S THIS. IT'S TOUGH IF YOU GET IF YOU GO DOWN THAT WAY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S NO PARKING LIKE YOU'RE FACED WITH IN HOPPING ON 1709 TO GET BACK TO TOWN SQUARE. SO I DON'T LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING THAT PERMANENTLY CLOSED, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF LOSING PARKING SPOTS OUT HERE FOR TABLES, YOU KNOW, FOR BECAUSE I THINK PARKING IS PRIME AROUND HERE. I THINK THERE'S. DID YOU SAY THAT THERE'S A SINGLE STALL, BATHROOMS ON EACH SIDE. SO, LIKE, JUST THERE WOULD BE A MEN'S AND WOMEN'S ON EACH SIDE, AND THAT'S TO MAINTAIN THE SPACING AND THE FOOTPRINT AND NOT MAKE THEM TOO OBTRUSIVE. SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ABOUT 13FT WIDE BY 50FT LONG. I JUST WONDER IF THAT'S EVEN. I MEAN, GOSH, WHEN WE HAVE A FESTIVAL, I MEAN, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO BRING PORTA POTTIES OUT, BUT I MEAN, EVEN JUST ON A RANDOM SATURDAY, HAVING JUST TWO BATHROOMS OUT THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LINES FOREVER LONG, EVEN JUST EVEN DOUBLING THAT JUST TO TWO STALLS OR SOMETHING I THINK WOULD WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. I DON'T KNOW, THAT DID FIT THE STANDARD FOR THE USE OF THE SPACE. KIND OF YOUR EVERYDAY USE, BUT FOR THOSE EVENTS, THOSE RESTROOMS ARE NOT MEANT TO. YEAH, NOT SUPPLEMENT THE EVENTS. YEAH I'M SURPRISED IT WAS THAT THE STUDY SHOWED THAT WAS ENOUGH FOR JUST A SATURDAY KIND OF THING, BUT AGAIN, I'M 100% IN SUPPORT OF IT BECAUSE TO ME THIS IS MONEY YOU SPEND [00:35:07] THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE REVENUE HAND OVER FIST WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE. SO YEAH, I WOULD ADD--GREAT COMMENTS--A LOT OF GREAT WORK HERE AND GOOD IDEAS. I NEED TIME TO. THIS IS A HUGE DECISION. BIG MONEY BIG I MEAN THIS IS CONCRETE, SO IT'S PERMANENT. PERHAPS WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THINK TOWARD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OFF UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY, BUT PERHAPS THE WINTER WORKSHOP MIGHT BE A GOOD GOAL TO HAVE A FINAL DECISION. THAT'S, I THINK, LIKE JANUARY 25TH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IT GIVES US A COUPLE MONTHS TO THINK ABOUT THIS, REVISIT IT IF WE NEED TO IN ANOTHER MEETING, AND I MEAN, I'M JUST THROWING OUT THERE AS A SUGGESTION. MAYBE WE AIM TOWARDS THE WINTER WORKSHOP TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION, BUT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THE FOUNTAIN PLACE CLOSURE. COUNCILMEMBER ROBBINS, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. WE WOULD WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT BUT REMEMBER, A BIG PART OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT WAS TO BRING THAT AREA ALL TOGETHER, AND SO I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE FIND A HYBRID WAY TO DO IT WHERE IT'S A POSSIBILITY TO KEEP THE ROAD OPEN, BUT ALSO IT CAN CONVERT VERY EASILY INTO THE CLOSED SPACE. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT CONVERTS TO A CLOSED SPACE, BUT IT'S A STREET, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T LOOK ANY GOOD, BUT THE OTHER PIECE, TOO, IN THAT SAME AREA THAT KEEPS CATCHING MY EYE ON ALL THESE IS I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE A LOT OF THOUGHT TO HOW WOULD WE USE THAT FOUNTAIN PLACE CLOSURE. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? I MEAN, WHEN THERE'S NOT FOOD TRUCKS? I WAS TAKING THE FOOD TRUCKS OUT OF THE PICTURE AS I'M WATCHING THE VIDEO. THAT'S A LOT OF SPACE, A LOT OF JUST EMPTY SPACE IN SOME OF THE CONCEPTS IT HAD, THE TABLES. WHAT ARE THOSE TABLES? ARE THEY ARE THEY PERMANENTLY AFFIXED? I MEAN, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE STORMS WE HAVE AND THERE'S JUST A LOT TO THINK ABOUT AS TO HOW THAT IS USED AND MAINTAINED AND THE DIFFERENT WEATHER ELEMENTS. SO THERE'S JUST A LOT FOR ME TO THINK THROUGH AND TALK THROUGH. SO GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. SO I WAS ABLE TO GET A LITTLE SNEAK PEEK WITH DIRECTOR MILLER, BECAUSE I OBVIOUSLY AM IN CHARGE OF ART IN THE SQUARE, AND SO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FROM A FESTIVAL PERSPECTIVE, TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK OBVIOUSLY A IS IS NOT ENOUGH. WE DON'T WANT TO BAND-AID THE GAZEBO. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. IT'S A 20 PLUS YEAR OLD GAZEBO, AND I THINK THE TECHNOLOGY ADDITION, HOWEVER WE DECIDE TO DO IT IS GREAT. I'M NOT A FAN OF TURF, BUT I. YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THOSE FOUR TRIANGLES, IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THE TREES ARE HUGE. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A THINK ABOUT IT DECISION, BUT I HAVE GONE OUT THERE ON PURPOSE SOME MORNINGS PRETTY EARLY AND I'M I'M ACTUALLY SHOCKED AT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WITH THEIR DOGS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE MORNING, AND SO FOR ME, TURF IS KIND OF DIFFERENT FOR THAT, BUT SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. I DO LIKE THE FRONT OF THE THIRD GAZEBO VERSUS, BUT IT COULD JUST BE THE WAY THEY'VE PICTURED IT. THE SECOND ONE HAD RAILINGS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REQUIRED OR HOW THAT WORKS, BUT THE THIRD ONE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, AND JUST THINKING ABOUT MAKING SURE YOU CAN, WHETHER IT'S THE REMOVABLE PIECES OR IT'S ALREADY OPEN FOR EVENTS. EITHER USE THAT AS A STAGE OR EVEN EXTEND IT OUT LIKE SOME OF OUR EVENTS HAVE DONE. I LIKE THE RESTROOMS IN THOSE PLACES. YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK IN EARLIER RENDERINGS LOOKED AT PUTTING THEM BY THE GAZEBO, BUT IT BLOCKS SO MUCH OF THAT VIEW. SO IF YOU'RE ON THAT OVERLOOK, YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT A WALL OF BUILDING AND A GAZEBO. INSTEAD OF LOOKING THROUGH TO THE PARK AND THE OTHER FOUNTAIN AND TO TOWN HALL. I THINK THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT, AND THESE RENDERINGS DO THAT. CAN YOU TELL EVERYBODY WHAT THE RESTROOM OR AMENITY BUILDINGS ARE BECAUSE ONE SIDE'S RESTROOMS AND ONE SIDE IS WHAT THERE WOULD BE RESTROOMS ON BOTH SIDES. SO THERE WOULD BE A MEN'S AND WOMEN'S ON BOTH SIDES. THERE WOULD BE A BREEZEWAY ON BOTH SIDES FOR SOME DIFFERENT VENDING OPTIONS, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE SOME MECHANICAL FOR THE RESTROOMS AND ALSO SOME STORAGE FOR ANY IT AV EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE SPACE, AND SO THE GOAL THERE WAS TO MAKE THOSE AS SMALL A FOOTPRINT AS POSSIBLE, THE LEAST IMPACT ON THE PARK, THE LEAST IMPACT ON USABLE SPACE TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE SPACE AS POSSIBLE. WHEN YOU SAY BOTH SIDES, ARE YOU SAYING THE EAST AND WEST SIDE? CORRECT. OH, I DIDN'T PICK UP ON THAT WHEN I WAS WATCHING IT. IT WOULD BE ON THE IT WENT THROUGH THE WEST SIDE BOTH TIMES, BUT IT WOULD BE ON THE WEST AND EAST SIDE. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH, AND JUST FOR YOU GUYS TO THINK ABOUT, FOR ME, FOR EVENTS, I WOULD PROBABLY LIKE FOR ART IN THE SQUARE, I WOULD PROBABLY ASK THAT THE CITY CLOSE THOSE RESTROOMS BECAUSE THAT'S WE HAVE TO HAVE PORTA POTTIES ANYWAY TO, TO HOST THAT LARGE EVENT AND I WOULD WORRY THAT THEY WOULD VERY QUICKLY BECOME DIRTY AND HAVE TO BE CLEANED A LOT AND MANAGED A LOT OVER THE WEEKEND. [00:40:07] SO FOR ME, IT'S MORE OF AN AMENITY FOR EVERY OTHER DAY OF THE YEAR BESIDES BIG EVENTS, WHICH I MEAN, I LOVE THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY PROVIDE THOSE, SO TO SPEAK TO A FEW OF THE POINTS OF FEEDBACK. THE OPTION FOR THE CLOSURE OF FOUNTAIN, KIND OF THAT HYBRID OPTION. THAT'S WHAT WHEN LOOKING AT OPTION A, HAVING IT TABLED, HAVING THE REMOVABLE BOLLARDS, THERE WOULD ALSO BE ENHANCEMENTS FOR FOOD TRUCKS SO THEY COULD DIRECTLY PLUG INTO THAT SPACE FOR EVENTS, BUT THEN YOU COULD OPEN IT UP FOR PARKING SPOTS OR WHATNOT IN BETWEEN AND THEN WITH WITH THE TURF ON ON THE LEANING FACTOR THE TURF CONSIDERED WOULD BE YOUR YOUR HIGH END LANDSCAPED TURF WITH IRRIGATION BUILT IN. YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET SOME ANTIMICROBIAL INFILL NOW THAT'S COOLANT AND ADDRESSES SOME OF THOSE THINGS AS WELL. I WON'T BELABOR THE POINTS THAT ARE ALREADY MADE, BUT THE THING THAT KEPT CATCHING MY EYE WAS THE COVERED AREA WHERE NOW THE GRASS IS TO ME, THAT'S IT JUST FEELS LIKE AN IMPEDIMENT WHEN YOU CONSIDER HOW IT'S BEING USED. NOW. PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS WALKING OUT IN THAT AREA. NOW IT'S GOING TO BE CONCRETE. THERE'S THE IMPACT TO THE SIGHTLINES TO THE SEPTEMBER 3RD, JULY 3RD EVENT. I JUST FEELS LIKE YOU'RE ADDING A HARD SURFACE WHERE ABSOLUTELY IT SHOULD STAY SOFT. THAT'S JUST WHAT I THINK OF, BUT IT'S LIKE IF THAT'S AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE TYPICALLY SITTING OR WALKING ABOUT NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE COVERED. YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO WALK AND LOOK THROUGH SLATS. IT'S ENTIRELY COVERED AREA FOR THOSE SHADE STRUCTURES. YEAH. SHADE STRUCTURES JUST FELT LIKE AN IMPEDIMENT TO ME. I AGREE, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT CLOSING FOUNTAIN PLACE PERMANENTLY. I THINK TO DOCTOR ROBBINS POINT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, AND IF YOU GET DOWN THERE, YOU CAN'T GET BACK UNLESS YOU GET ON 1709. I ALSO LIKE THE PARKING THERE FOR EVERYDAY USE, AND I KNOW WE HAVE FESTIVALS, BUT I ALSO DON'T. I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND WE NEED TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE FOR OUR RETAILERS TO ON THOSE TIMES, WHICH IS MORE OFTEN THAN WE HAVE FESTIVALS. I'M ALSO CONCERNED DO WE STILL HAVE TABLES AND CHAIRS OUT THERE? WE HAD THEM, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TOWN FOOLERY WITH THOSE. THEY'VE ENDED UP IN THE FOUNTAIN. SEVERAL NOT VERY NICE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED TO THOSE THINGS, TO THOSE TABLES AND CHAIRS. DO WE HAVE A THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, HAVE YOU FACTORED THAT INTO YOUR THINKING ABOUT HAVING. WE HAVE THE CURRENT TABLES AND CHAIRS. WE BROUGHT IN A HEAVIER OPTION BECAUSE OF THAT. SO THEY ARE MORE DIFFICULT TO MOVE. STAFF WILL COME IN AND MOVE THEM IN AND OUT OF THE GAZEBO OR IN DIFFERENT SPOTS BUT THOSE ELEMENTS, LIKE WHAT COULD BE FACTORED IN ON THE PLAZA SEATING AND THINGS ARE, ARE CERTAINLY THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY DECIDED YET IN THE CONCEPTUAL PART OF THIS, BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN DESIGN, WE WOULD LOOK AT THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, HOW THINGS MOVE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ADDRESSED. SO YEAH. YEAH. THEY'RE SUPER HEAVY. IT'S AMAZING THAT PEOPLE MOVE THEM. I KNOW THEY'RE INCREDIBLY HEAVY. YEAH. IT'S WILD. THE PARKS LOOKED AT THAT RIGHT AFTER 2020 BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE WERE OUT IN THE PARK, AND THEN TO FIND OUT THAT PEOPLE WERE SPENDING TIME TO GET THEM IN THE POND AND OTHER PLACES, IT'S JUST VERY DISHEARTENING, BECAUSE IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THEM LIKE YOU FEATURED THEM SO PEOPLE COULD GET THEIR LUNCH AND EAT OUT THERE AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FISHING A CHAIR OUT OF THE POND IN ORDER TO DO THAT. YOU CAN ALSO MAKE THEM SEMI-PERMANENT, SIMILAR TO OUR BENCHES. THERE'S TWO BOLTS. YOU UNDO THE BOLTS AND MOVE THEM FOR DIFFERENT THINGS, AND SO THERE'S WAYS TO KEEP THINGS IN PLACE BUT ALSO HAVE THEM MOVABLE. SO I'LL JUST I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO MOVE ON, BUT I'M A FAN OF CLOSING FOUNTAIN PLACE. I'VE ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT RELATIVE TO EVENTS. YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU MENTIONED YOU CAN PARK THE FOOD TRUCKS UP ON THAT SPACE AND THERE'S A WAY TO PLUG THEM IN OR HOOK THEM UP, EVEN IF IT IS CLOSED. I THINK IT JUST ENGAGES THE ENTIRE PARK AND MAKES IT FEEL LIKE A COMPLETE PARK ALL THE WAY DOWN, BUT I'M JUST ONE PERSON, SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST CONTINUE TO SEE AN OPTION THAT HAS THAT, PLUS WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE'S SUGGESTIONS. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, THAT'S A DIFFICULT ONE. IT DOES SEEM LIKE THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF ENERGY AROUND AT LEAST EXPLORING HOW HOW THAT SPACE CAN BE CONVERTIBLE. LIKE, WHAT ARE THE CREATIVE WAYS? I MEAN, I KNOW THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT YOU THINK ABOUT, LIKE, THE WAY A SPORTING VENUE GOES FROM HOCKEY TO BASKETBALL TO, YOU KNOW, A TRUCK RACE OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, WHAT ARE CONVERTIBLE WAYS TO USE SPACE THAT POSSIBLY KEEPS IT OPEN IF WE NEEDED IT? UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILMEMBER TALLEY IS SAYING, TOO, OF COURSE, BUT IS THAT SOME OPTIONS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, A LOT A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION. A GREAT FIRST DRAFT. [00:45:01] SOME THINGS I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF. SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE TIMELINE AND I'LL MAYBE ASK OUR CITY MANAGER OR DIRECTOR MILLER TO WEIGH IN. I KNOW MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON MENTIONED OUR WINTER WORKSHOP AS FAR AS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM AND BUDGETING FOR THAT. WHEN DO YOU NEED US TO GIVE THE FEEDBACK? WHEN WHEN SORT OF THE DEADLINE FOR THAT. HOW DO WE AND MAYBE WE CAN WORK BACKWARDS FROM THAT ON WHEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT NEXT AND GO FROM THERE. SO UNDER OUR CURRENT SCHEDULE, WE FILE THE CFP WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 1ST. OUR WINTER WORKSHOP IS SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 30TH. SO WE'RE GOOD, BUT SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, I THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH TO BEGIN WORK ON A FUNDING PLAN, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, REGARDLESS OF THE ENHANCED OPTIONS THAT ARE SELECTED, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET INTO THE PARK AND PERFORM SOME MAINTENANCE WORK ON THOSE ESSENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING. SO I WILL WORK WITH THE STAFF TO COME UP WITH A FUNDING PLAN THAT ASSUMES, AT A MINIMUM, WE WOULD BE DOING THAT BY A CERTAIN DATE, AND THEN WE CAN WORK ON THE FUTURE YEAR'S FUNDING PLAN BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE COUNCIL AT THE WINTER WORKSHOP. OKAY. SO I'M HEARING ALSO IS THAT OPTION A IS NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AT LEAST OPTION B. SO WITH THAT NUMBER IN MIND, IF THAT'S HELPFUL TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM AS FAR AS LOOKING AT THE MONEY PART OF IT. I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASON, BUT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE SOME TIME AND CAN REACH OUT, OF COURSE, TO DIRECTOR MILLER AND OTHERS TO WALK THROUGH WHAT WE'VE SEEN TONIGHT AND MAYBE PICK IT APART AS YOUR HOMEWORK FOR THE NEXT MONTH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE TIME WELL SPENT AND THEN WE GET BACK INTO THE NEW YEAR AND WE CAN REALLY DRILL DOWN ON, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THIS PUZZLE TOGETHER, BECAUSE I THINK THERE WILL BE IN MY MIND THINGS FROM A, B AND C THAT WE KIND OF PUT TOGETHER AND, AND MAKE IT HAPPEN. SO IS EVERYONE GOOD WITH THAT? DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU, ALISON, AS FAR AS TIMELINE? YES, MAYOR, THAT WORKS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MILLER. MUCH APPRECIATED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK AND HAPPY TO SIT DOWN, LIKE YOU SAID, WITH ANYONE AND TALK THROUGH THOSE. WE APPRECIATE THAT. I'LL TAKE YOU UP ON THAT OVER THE NEXT 30 DAYS. ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. [5. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session. ] THIS IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WE'LL TURN THAT OVER TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM KATHY TALLEY. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO OFFER THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM FOUR A, APPROVED MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 19TH, 2024 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ITEM FOUR B APPROVE ZA24-0068 PLAT SHOWING FOR LOTS 18 AND 19. J. CHILDRESS NUMBER 254 EDITION ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT TWO A J. CHILDRESS SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 254 AND LOCATED AT 1039 BERNIE LANE, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS. CURRENT ZONING SF ONE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. ITEM FOUR C APPROVE ZA24-0070 PLAT REVISION FOR LOTS EIGHT R1 AND EIGHT R2 BLOCK B, BRIARWOOD ESTATES BEING A REVISION OF LOT EIGHT, BLOCK B, BARWOOD ESTATES AND LOCATED AT 425 BRIARWOOD DRIVE, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS. CURRENT ZONING MF ONE TO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. ITEM FOUR D APPROVED SOUTHLAKE TENNIS CENTER MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH ROXY TENNIS LLC FOR A THREE YEAR TERM. JANUARY JANUARY 1ST, 2025 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2027. ITEM FOUR E APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-044 FOR AN ADVANCE FUNDING AGREEMENT WITH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, OR TXDOT, FOR PHASE TWO OF GREEN RIBBON FUNDED IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND WEST DOVE ROAD IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $524,980. ITEM FOUR F EXCUSE THE ABSENCES OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS DANIEL KUBIAK, MICHAEL SPRINGER, AND GINA FALLON FROM THE NOVEMBER 21ST, 2024 REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. ITEM FOUR G WITHDRAW ORDINANCE NUMBERS 480-23 AND 480-24 ZA24-0051. SECOND READING, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN AND ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR FOREFRONT SENIOR LIVING ON PROPERTY, DESCRIBED AS LOTS ONE, A, ONE, B, TWO AND THREE PARKERS CORNER ADDITION AND TRACK 2802 J. ALLEN, SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 18 AND LOCATED AT 300-684 DAVIS BOULEVARD, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS. ITEM FOUR H TABLE ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-564F, ZA24-0042,. SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CARILLON PARC PLAZA DISTRICT ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACTS 3A4, 3A4A, 3A5, 3A, 3A3, 3A1B, AND A PORTION OF TRACTS 1E, 1D, AND 3A1, LARKIN H. CHIVERS SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 300 AND GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF EAST SOUTH HIGHWAY 114 AND NORTH WHITECHAPEL BOULEVARD, WEST OF RIVIERA [00:50:01] DRIVE AND APPROXIMATELY 600FT SOUTH OF EAST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD. CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS. THAT'S THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY DISCUSSION OR PRESENTATIONS ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANYTHING REALLY TO MOVE FROM REGULAR TO CONSENT AGENDA UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY IDEAS. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S IT FOR CONSENT AGENDA. WE'LL TAKE THAT UP DURING OUR REGULAR SESSION. AT THIS TIME, I WILL CALL OUR REGULAR SESSION TO ORDER, AND THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. [1. Call to order.] [2. A. Executive Session (Part 1 of 2)] SO AS MAYOR, I HEREBY ADVISE YOU THAT WE'RE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071, TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY. SECTION 551.074 TO DELIBERATE REGARDING PERSONNEL MATTERS. SECTION 551.076 TO DELIBERATE REGARDING SECURITY DEVICES, AND SECTION 551.087 TO DELIBERATE REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS, AND I'LL ASK THE CITY MANAGER, WHEN DO YOU THINK WE'LL BE BACK IN ABOUT AN HOUR OR SO AROUND 7:30. WE'LL SEE YOU THEN. [2.B. Reconvene (Part 1 of 2)] BELIEVE THERE IS ACTION NECESSARY FOLLOWING OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION. I'LL ASK DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM KATHY TALLEY TO TAKE US THROUGH THAT? YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE TO AMEND THE CITY SECRETARY'S CONTRACT TO INCLUDE A 5% PAY INCREASE WITH AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF JANUARY 1ST, 2025. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS, AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO FOR US. NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE A THE MAYOR'S REPORT. NOTHING. SCHEDULE ITEM THREE B THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. [3.B. City Manager’s Report] ALISON ORTOWSKI. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. IT'S A BITTERSWEET MOMENT TONIGHT BECAUSE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, ROB COHAN, HAS RECENTLY ANNOUNCED THAT HE INTENDS TO RETIRE EFFECTIVE DECEMBER 31ST, THE END OF THIS YEAR. SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, WE WANTED TO SPEND SOME TIME TONIGHT TO HONOR HIM AND THANK HIM FOR NOT ONLY THE SERVICE THAT HE HAS GIVEN TO SOUTHLAKE, BUT FOR HIS NEARLY THREE DECADES OF PUBLIC SERVICE CAREER. DIRECTOR COHAN BEGAN HIS LIFE OF SERVICE AFTER BEING COMMISSIONED IN THE NAVY UPON HIS COLLEGE GRADUATION. HE WENT ON TO ACHIEVE THE RANK OF COMMANDER AND HOLD ROLES WITHIN THE NAVY ACROSS PUBLIC WORKS, ASSET AND FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, AND ALSO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. HE CAME TO US AFTER A 20 YEAR NAVAL CAREER, JOINING THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE IN 2016, AND I'M GOING TO SHARE JUST A FEW DETAILS OF HIS IMPACT DURING HIS TIME WITH US. UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP, HE OVERSAW THE COMPLETION OF MORE THAN 35 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, AND WE ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL PROJECTS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY THAT HE INITIATED. THESE PROJECTS CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY IN NUMEROUS WAYS. I'LL JUST SAY THAT UNDER HIS OVERSIGHT, THE CONSTRUCTION OF OVER SEVEN MILES OF SIDEWALKS WERE COMPLETED AND ADDED TO THE CITY'S SIDEWALK INFRASTRUCTURE, IMPROVING OR REPAVING MORE THAN 14 MILES OF STREETS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, ALONG WITH COMPLETION OF VERY LARGE MOBILITY PROJECTS SUCH AS THE WHITECHAPEL EXPANSION PROJECT AND THEN FURTHER NORTH, OVERSEEING THE CONSTRUCTION OF NOT ONLY ONE BRIDGE BUT TWO BRIDGES. FIRST, IT WAS THE TEMPORARY BRIDGE THAT WAS OVER THAT WAS NECESSARY ONCE THE BRIDGE WAS OVERTOPPED BY WATER, AND NOW THE SOON TO BE COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION OF THE PERMANENT BRIDGE. OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP HAS ALSO FLOURISHED. WE HAVE MAINTAINED A SUPERIOR WATER RATING AND ALSO ACHIEVED THE PROACTIVE WATER SYSTEMS AWARD UNDER ROB'S OVERSIGHT. SOME OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT ONE OF ROB'S PASSIONS IS SAFETY AND PREPAREDNESS, AND UNDER HIS GUIDANCE, WE HAVE FOCUSED ON ADVANCING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENCE. HE'S VERY COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT NO MATTER WHAT OCCURS, WE HAVE THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO ENSURE SERVICE RELIABILITY ACROSS THE CITY. SO WE HAVE FOCUSED ON INSTALLING EMERGENCY GENERATORS AT OUR CRITICAL FACILITIES, DEVELOPING A TEAM APPROACH THROUGH A RAPID RESPONSE TEAM TO BETTER RESPOND IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. THESE ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF HIS FOCUS ON OUR STRONG OPERATIONS THAT SERVE SOUTHLAKE CUSTOMERS RELIABLY. I COULD SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND GO ON AND ON, BUT ANYONE WHO KNOWS HIM KNOWS THAT ROB IS RATHER HUMBLE AND HE PREFERS TO STAY WELL OUT OF THE SPOTLIGHT. IN FACT, I THINK IF HE COULD, HE WOULD VANISH IN A PUFF OF SMOKE. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, ROB, I WILL CLOSE BY SIMPLY SAYING THANK YOU. WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR TIME IN SOUTHLAKE, AND OUR COMMUNITY IS ALL THE BETTER FOR IT. SO BEFORE WE ASK HIM TO COME UP AND MAKE WHAT I EXPECT WILL PROBABLY BE BRIEF COMMENTS MAYBE I THOUGHT WE COULD OPEN IT UP TO THE COUNCIL TO [00:55:02] RECOGNIZE HIM AND THANK HIM FOR HIS SERVICE ALSO. THANK YOU, ALISON. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING SHE SAID. ON A PERSONAL NOTE THOUGH, I TEXT ROB ALL THE TIME WITH, HEY, THERE'S AN ISSUE ABOUT A POTHOLE HERE OR THIS THING THERE, AND WHETHER IT'S MORNING, NOON OR NIGHT, WEEKENDS, HOLIDAYS. ROB IS CONSTANTLY ON CALL, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, HE SHOULDN'T BE, BUT THAT'S JUST THE TYPE OF PERSON HE IS. HE HAS THIS HEART FOR SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH HE SHOWS EVERY DAY, AND IT'S BEEN A TRUE PLEASURE WORKING WITH HIM. PRIOR TO BECOMING MAYOR AND SINCE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, HE'S REALLY HELPED ME ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, ANSWER THOSE CALLS, AND JUST TAKEN OVER AND TAKEN CARE OF IT, AND IT'S REALLY BEEN EXEMPLARY SERVICE IN THE WAY THAT YOU DO YOUR JOB AND ALSO IN THE WAY YOU DEAL WITH OUR RESIDENTS, AND THAT PERSONAL TOUCH THAT YOU BRING IS VERY SPECIAL AND VERY IMPORTANT AND VERY MEANINGFUL. SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE. YOU'VE MADE THIS COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE, AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOUR HELP TO ME AS A COUNCILMEMBER, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO SOUTHLAKE COUNCIL. YES, MAYOR. THANK YOU. I'LL. I'LL JUST KIND OF LAYER IN HERE THE COMMENTS ABOUT ROB. WHEN WHEN DIRECTOR PRICE RETIRED AND ROB WAS PLACED INTO THIS ROLE. HE HAD HUGE SHOES TO FILL AND HAS ABSOLUTELY DONE THAT IN A WONDERFUL WAY. LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO THINK OF ANYBODY WHO IS MORE RESPONSIVE AND WILL TAKE A PHONE CALL AND WILL SOLVE A PROBLEM LITERALLY BEFORE THE SUN GOES DOWN, AND THAT'S ROB COHAN. IT'S BEEN WONDERFUL WORKING WITH YOU THE ENTIRE TIME YOU'VE BEEN IN THIS ROLE. I CONSIDER YOU A FRIEND AND A PROFESSIONAL COLLEAGUE AND JUST WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK IN RETIREMENT. YOU'VE EARNED IT. SO ENJOY. YEAH, ROB, YOU'RE SO VITAL TO THE CITY, AND IT'S SOMETIMES KIND OF A THANKLESS JOB TAKING CARE OF, LIKE, POTHOLES AND STUFF THAT PEOPLE JUST DON'T GENERALLY THINK OF. YOU KNOW, THE SEWERS AND DURING THE FREEZE AND ALL THAT MESS THAT YOU WERE JUST ON TOP OF, AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE CRITICAL, VITAL ROLES IN THIS CITY, AND YOU FILL THE SHOES SO WELL AND YOU'RE SUPER RESPONSIVE AND YOU'RE SO KIND AND GRACIOUS IN THE WAY THAT YOU EXPLAIN THINGS AND EVEN IF SOMEBODY THINKS THAT THEY NEED THEIR ROAD REPAVED AND IT'S NOT ON THE PLAN FOR FOUR YEARS, YOU HAVE A WAY WITH YOUR WORDS TO LET US KNOW THAT IT'S DEFINITELY A PRIORITY, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO US, BUT IT'S JUST DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT. YOU'RE SO GREAT AND WE'RE SO GREAT FOR THE CITY. SO YOU'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE MISSED, AND CONGRATULATIONS AND BEST WISHES ON YOUR NEXT PHASE. SO, DIRECTOR COHAN, I WISH, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME OF US UP HERE WISH WE HAD HAD THE TIME, LIKE COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMSON AND MAYOR HAD WITH YOU, BUT IN JUST MY SHORT FOUR YEARS IT'S WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID SO FAR, AND I THINK BACK TO SNOWMAGEDDON ONE AND SNOWMAGEDDON TWO, AND THEN THE MINI ONE AND YOUR SELFLESS ACTS, YOUR DESIRE TO JUST HELP PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THOSE EVENTS, AND IT'S JUST TRULY REMARKABLE AND UNIQUE TO WHO YOU ARE, AND, AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT WE HEARD WE HEARD ABOUT A LOT OF THAT LATER BECAUSE YOU ARE A HUMBLE PERSON AND IT IS ABOUT FOR YOU HELPING OUR RESIDENTS, HELPING PEOPLE IN GENERAL, AND SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT. THANK YOU FOR BEING THAT PERSON, AND I JUST WISH YOU WELL AND I HOPE I HOPE YOU HAVE SOME GREAT THINGS PLANNED ALONG WITH JUST REST AND RELAXATION. I'D ECHO THOSE SAME SENTIMENTS. I MEAN, I'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN TO DEAL WITH YOU SEVERAL TIMES, IT SEEMS LIKE HE OVERSAW LOTS OF THINGS, AND I THINK IT GOES BEYOND THANKLESS. I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S BORDERLINE CONFRONTATIONAL FOR YOU, BECAUSE FOLKS ARE A LOT OF TIMES UPSET WHEN THEY'RE COMING TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU, AND I THINK YOU DO AN AMAZING JOB OF JUST MAINTAINING YOUR COOL IN A SITUATION WHERE I PROBABLY WOULDN'T VERY WELL. [CHUCKLING]. I'VE PROVEN THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT I THINK YOU DO A GREAT JOB, AND I THINK THAT THE CITY WILL MISS YOU IMMENSELY, AND I THINK I JUST WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK IN WHAT YOU'VE WHAT YOU'VE GOT GOING FORWARD AND JUST HOPE GOD BLESSES YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. ROB, I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE VERY LONG, BUT I SURE APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP YOU'VE GIVEN ME AND I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT YOUR PREVIOUS SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY AND YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY. I WISH YOU GOOD LUCK IN YOUR NEXT PHASE, AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT TIME AND SOMETHING FUN PLANNED THAT YOU REALLY ENJOY. MAYBE NOT. MAYBE EVEN IF IT'S NOT RETIREMENT, THAT YOUR NEXT CHAPTER IS JUST SOMETHING FUN. [01:00:04] LAST AND LEAST, ONE OF MY BUSINESS PARTNERS SAYS THAT THE NUMBER ONE QUALITY HE LOOKS FOR IN LEADERS INSIDE THIS COMPANY IS THOUGHTFULNESS, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING, BUT SINCE WE'VE DISCUSSED A NUMBER OF TIMES, I GET HIS POINT AND HAVING BEEN ON NUMEROUS EMAIL CHAINS WITH YOU FROM RESIDENCY, I SEE YOU LAUGHING. THAT'S HOW I DESCRIBE YOU. I HAVE AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF TRUST IN YOU. SO DOES THIS COMMUNITY. THERE'S NOT A TIME I HAVEN'T BROUGHT A PROBLEM TO YOU, AND YOU PASSED IT ALONG TO SOMEBODY ELSE. YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO TAKE IT OVER AND GET IN TOUCH WITH THE PERSON YOURSELF, AND THAT'S LED TO SOME FUNNY INTERACTIONS I'VE GOTTEN TO WITNESS, BUT I JUST LOVE YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS, YOUR KINDNESS, YOUR COMPASSION, YOUR EMPATHY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND YOUR SELFLESS SERVICE. IT'S SHOWN IN SO MANY WAYS, AND I'M GOING TO MISS, SELFISHLY, PERSONALLY, OUR SHARING OF FUNNY STORIES THAT WE HAVE AT EVERY COUNCIL MEETING. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE AND CONTINUE TO DO, AND I WISH YOU NOTHING BUT THE BEST. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. DIRECTOR COHAN, THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS. I KNOW YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO, BUT WE'RE KIND OF GOING TO MAKE YOU. SO COME ON DOWN, AND THEN IF WE COULD GET A PICTURE WITH YOU BEFORE YOU SIT BACK DOWN. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AND TO BE PART OF A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY AND TO BE PART OF A WONDERFUL LEADERSHIP GROUP, AND I THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN A BLESSING FOR ME. IT'S BEEN A REALLY A PRIVILEGE AND AN HONOR TO SERVE WITH YOU AND ALONGSIDE YOU. WE CATCH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, BUT YOU ALSO CATCH A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES, AND IT'S OUR JOB AND YOU DON'T GET PAID FOR IT, AND SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE IN WORKING WITH US, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES THINGS WORK, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SACRIFICE, AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING ME TO BE PART OF A WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR DIRECTOR COHAN. NOW, ROB, WE WANT TO GET THAT PICTURE BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR INTO THE NIGHT. SO LET'S COME ON DOWN. NEXT UP, WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA] WE REVIEWED THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS DURING OUR WORK SESSION, SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM KATHY TALLEY FOR A MOTION. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEMS FOUR A THROUGH FOUR H. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES. OUR CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED SEVEN ZERO. NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE. PUBLIC FORUM. THE PUBLIC FORUM ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO BRING ITEMS FORWARD THAT ARE NOT ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC FORUM ON AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA LATER TONIGHT? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM. FIRST UP IS ITEM SIX, A ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-825. [6.A. Ordinance No. 480-825, ZA24-0059, 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Development Plan for Carroll Crossing on property described as Tracts 3D and 3C02, W. R. Eaves Survey Abstract No. 500, and located at 1963 W Southlake Blvd., and 200 S. Peytonville Ave. Current Zoning: “S-P-1” Detailed Site Plan District and “O-1” Office District. Requested Zoning: “TZD” Transition HEARING ] CASE NUMBER ZA24-0059. SECOND READING. ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CARROLL CROSSING. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1963 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AND 200 SOUTH PEYTONVILLE AVENUE. IT'S A REQUEST TO CHANGE ZONING FROM S-P-1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT AND O-1 OFFICE DISTRICT TO TZD [01:05:01] TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT. THIS IS AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS SIDE IS RETAIL COMMERCIAL ALONG THE SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD FRONTAGE AND MEDIUM DENSITY ON THE REMAINING PORTION OF THAT TO THE SOUTH, AND OFFICE COMMERCIAL ON THE STRIP OF LAND THAT EXTENDS OUT TO SOUTH PEYTONVILLE AVENUE. THESE ARE SOME SITE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH I WENT THROUGH ON FIRST READING, AND CURRENT ZONING, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS S-P-1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT ON THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY, AND O-1 OFFICE DISTRICT ON THE TRACK THAT EXTENDS TO SOUTH PEYTONVILLE. THIS IS THE MASTER SIDEWALK PLAN FOR THE SITE, AND VIEW LOOKING SOUTH FROM THE SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD FRONTAGE, AND THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING WEST FROM THE SOUTH PEYTONVILLE FRONTAGE AT THE O-1 OFFICE ZONED TRACT. THIS IS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SITE PLAN. IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED UNDER THE S-P-1 ZONING FOR A RETAIL NURSERY AND ELEVATIONS FOR THAT, AND THIS WAS THE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT YOUR LAST MEETING ON NOVEMBER 19TH. THIS PROPOSED THE OFFICE, COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL RESTAURANT WOULD DRIVE THRU ON THE SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD FRONTAGE AND THEN A 30 LOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CONFIGURATION ON APPROXIMATELY TWO THIRDS OF THE PROPERTY AND THIS IS A PRIVATE STREET GATED AT THE ACCESS POINTS, AND FOLLOWING FIRST READING AND DISCUSSION OF THAT, AND DURING THE FIRST READING, THE APPLICANT PRESENTED A 60 FOOT WIDE RESIDENTIAL LOT PLAN THAT REDUCED THE NUMBER OF LOTS FROM 30 TO 25 LOTS, AND WHAT THEY'RE INITIALLY REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR THIS EVENING IS A PLAN SIMILAR TO THAT. THAT GETS LOTS TO ROUGHLY A QUARTER ACRE. IT ELIMINATED A OPEN SPACE LINEAR PARK THAT RAN BETWEEN THE LOTS AND THE CENTER BLOCK, AND THIS CONFIGURATION IS A 25 FOOT, 25 LOT CONFIGURATION. THE SMALLEST LOTS ARE ROUGHLY 90 375FT², AND THEY RANGE UP TO 16,000 SQUARE FOOT. THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS 10,500 SQUARE FOOT APPROXIMATELY. THIS IS A DETAIL OF THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT, AND A DETAIL OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, AND THE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN, AND SOME OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL PLANS ARE UNLIKELY TO CHANGE WITH THE LOT CONFIGURATION, BUT THEY STILL REFLECT THE 30 LOT CONFIGURATION. THIS IS THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS FOR THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT. THE LEFT RENDERINGS ARE FOR THE OFFICE, AND THE RIGHT IS FOR THE RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THRU SERVICE, AND THIS IS A PRODUCT RENDERING OF THE RESIDENTIAL. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 4-2 AND FIRST READING OF THIS WAS APPROVED 7-0 LOOKING TO COME BACK WITH THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE BEING 10,000 SQUARE FOOT AND LOOKING AT REMOVING THE GREENSPACE THAT RAN THROUGH THAT CENTER BLOCK. RESPONSES RECEIVED WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA. WE'VE GOT ONE THAT HAS SUBMITTED OPPOSITION WITHIN THE 200 FOOT, AND WE'VE RECEIVED TWO IN FAVOR [01:10:07] WITHIN THE 200 FOOT. THERE'S BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL, I THINK, ROUGHLY EIGHT RESPONSES OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA IN O PPOSITION, AND I BELIEVE ONE IN SUPPORT OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA, AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH AT THIS TIME? GO AHEAD. I JUST HAVE ONE ABOUT THE DRIVE THRU. IS THAT PERMITTED IN TZD? NO, IT IS NOT, AND IT IS AN EXCEPTION THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING UNDER THEIR ZONING, AND AS CLARIFICATION TO A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED DURING THE PREVIOUS THE FIRST READING. THE EXCEPTION WAS BEING REQUESTED AS PART OF THEIR TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT, AND THE QUESTION WAS ANSWERED IN REGARD TO THE ZONING DISTRICT OR THE ZONING ORDINANCE ITSELF, THAT DRIVE THRUS ARE NOT GENERALLY PROHIBITED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND NOR DO THEY REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. THE TRANSITION DISTRICT DOES SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT THEM. HOWEVER, THE COUNCIL HAS AUTHORITY UNDER THAT DISTRICT TO APPROVE MODIFICATIONS TO ANY OF THE REGULATIONS WITHIN IT. THANK YOU, AND DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT QUESTION, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IF THE ZONING IS APPROVED TONIGHT, THE DRIVE THRU IS KIND OF AUTOMATICALLY ALLOWED? OR WOULD THAT COME LATER WITH A SITE PLAN SPECIFIC PLAN THAT IF APPROVED AS BEING PROPOSED? THE SUBSEQUENT SITE PLAN WOULD NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS APPROVED UNDER THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN? THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BRING IT BACK WITH OR WITHOUT A DRIVE THRU AT THAT POINT, BUT THEY WOULD BE ENTITLED TO THE DRIVE THRU UNLESS IT IS PROHIBITED BY TONIGHT'S MOTION. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU. DENNIS. THANK YOU. APPLICANT COME ON DOWN. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING YOUR PRESENTATION LOADED UP. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MY NAME IS CURTIS YOUNG WITH THE SAGE GROUP AT 1130 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE. GOOD TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN. TODAY I WILL BE BRIEF. JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZING WHERE WE LEFT OFF TWO WEEKS AGO AND WHAT WE'VE PREPARED TO SHOW YOU TONIGHT. AS DENNIS SAID, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WE BROUGHT THE 30 LOTS LAST TIME. THE INPUT THAT WE HAD RECEIVED A FEW DAYS BEFORE THE LAST MEETING LED US TO COME BACK WITH A ALTERNATE PLAN THAT HAD WIDER LOTS, BUT STILL HAD THE GREENSPACE BETWEEN THERE. THIS WAS 25 LOTS, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE WAS ABOUT 9200FT² ON THIS. FOLLOWING THE MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED LAST TIME WAS TO TRY TO GET ABOVE 10,000FT². EVEN IF A FEW OF THE LOTS WERE LESS THAN THAT. SO, AND WE WERE GIVEN SOME INPUT THAT MAYBE WE ELIMINATE THE GREENSPACE BETWEEN THERE AS A METHOD OF INCREASING THE LOT SIZE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID, AND SO THIS PLAN WAS PREPARED TO TRY TO MEET WHAT, WHAT WAS ASKED FOR IN THAT MOTION. THESE LOTS AVERAGE ALMOST 10,600FT². THEY'RE WIDER THAN THE SECOND PLAN. THERE'S A MINIMUM OF 62.5FT WIDE, AND THEY'RE DEEPER. THEY'RE 150FT DEEP. SO THEY'RE 62 BY 150FT, STANDARD LOT SIZE AND OF COURSE, CORNER LOTS, AND THE PIE SHAPED LOTS ARE LARGER. SOME OF THE LOTS ARE LARGER THAN THIS. THAT'S HOW THE AVERAGE GETS UP TO 10,588, BUT THIS IS A PLAN THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO PRESENT TO YOU AND HAVE APPROVED, AND WE THINK THAT IT'S RESPONSIVE TO THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE, BUT WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANY OF YOU HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW, BUT WE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS LATER. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ITEM SIX A IS A SECOND READING AND REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. [01:15:02] SO I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM SIX A. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING ITEM SIX A? I HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS WHICH I'LL GET TO IN A MOMENT, BUT IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING SIX A, COME ON DOWN. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I'LL START WITH THE COMMENT CARDS. OH, COME ON DOWN. THANK YOU, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THEN THE LIGHT WILL TURN ON GREEN. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. IT'LL TURN YELLOW WHEN THERE'S ONE MINUTE AND THEN WHEN IT'S RED. IF YOU COULD JUST WRAP IT UP. GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS MELISSA PARROTT. I LIVE AT 1901 WHITE OAK CLEARING IN THE SOUTHLAKE WOODS NEIGHBORHOOD. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MCCASKILL CITY COUNCILMEMBERS. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU FOR THE COUNTLESS HOURS THAT YOU DEVOTE TO OUR CITY AND ALL THAT YOU DO TO MAKE IT THE AMAZING PLACE THAT IT IS. MY FAMILY AND I MOVED TO SOUTHLAKE FROM RENO, NEVADA IN 2018. I AM A MOTHER OF TWO DRAGONS. I HAVE ZERO BACKGROUND IN LAND DEVELOPMENT, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME AS THIS HAS BEEN A LEARNING PROCESS FOR ME. I DO HAVE A BACKGROUND OF 30 YEARS IN HEALTH CARE, THE LAST 22 YEARS AS A FAMILY NURSE PRACTITIONER, SO IT MIGHT NOT BE SHOCKING THAT THE FOCUS OF MY SPEECH WILL BE MOSTLY FOCUSED ON SAFETY, THE SAFETY OF OUR DRAGONS AT THE SENIOR HIGH, AS WELL AS THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAVE TO FREQUENTLY DRIVE THIS VERY BUSY INTERSECTION AT PEYTONVILLE AND SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR EACH OF YOU. I DO NOT EXPECT YOU TO ANSWER THEM, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO STORE THE INFORMATION UP HERE FOR LATER TONIGHT WHEN YOU REFLECT ON THIS. HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WALKED DOWN PEYTONVILLE TO SEE WHERE THIS GATED ENTRANCE TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF CARROLL CROSSING, WILL BE PLACED. I HAVE WALKED DOWN PEYTONVILLE. I HAVE USED MY MAP READING SKILLS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. THAT MAP RIGHT THERE. I HAVE LOOKED AT IT. I HAVE MADE A 180 DEGREE TURN AND WHAT DO I SEE? I SEE THE SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL. I SEE A MEDIAN IN THE ROAD. I SEE TWO LANES MERGING INTO ONE. I SEE AN ENTRANCE TO THE SENIOR HIGH RIGHT THERE. PRETTY MUCH IT'S A DISASTER EVEN IN A LOW TRAFFIC TIME OF DAY. ADD 25 HOUSES BEHIND A GATE THERE WILL MAKE THE SITUATION EVEN WORSE, AND A SAFETY CONCERN IN MY OPINION. SECOND QUESTION HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF DRIVING DOWN PEYTONVILLE TOWARDS SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AROUND 730 TO 8 A.M. WHILE SCHOOL IS IN SESSION? IF YOU HAVEN'T, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT. IF YOU'RE FEELING PARTICULARLY BRAVE, I WOULD GET IN THE RIGHT LANE, TURN RIGHT ONTO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, DODGE THE PEOPLE MAKING U-TURNS, HEAD DOWN THE STREET, MAYBE GO TO WHITECHAPEL TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, THEN TRY TO CIRCLE BACK TO PEYTONVILLE. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU YOU WILL NOT NEED TO DRINK COFFEE THAT MORNING TO GET YOUR HEART RATE ELEVATED. IT WILL JUST HAPPEN. BETTER YET, HOW MANY HAVE OBSERVED THE AMAZING SRO AT THE SENIOR HIGH AND WHAT HE DOES EVERY MORNING TO PROTECT OUR DRAGONS THAT THEY CAN GET TO SCHOOL SAFELY. THESE ARE INEXPERIENCED YOUNG DRIVERS AND PARENTS IN A HURRY, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT MAN RISKS HIS LIFE EVERY MORNING TO DIRECT THAT TRAFFIC. WATCH IT. YOU WILL BE AMAZED. IN MY OPINION, THE CARROLL CROSSING DEVELOPMENT WILL CAUSE INCREASED TRAFFIC AND PUT OUR DRAGONS AT THE SENIOR HIGH AT RISK. ADDITIONALLY, THE SOUTHLAKE WOODS NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I LIVE. HENCE MY CONCERN WILL BE THE FIRST PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN PULL IN AND MAKE U-TURNS BECAUSE YOU REALIZE THEY CAN ONLY PULL RIGHT OUT OF THIS GATE. THEY CAN'T GO LEFT BECAUSE THERE'S A DIVIDE IN THE ROAD. IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG TO LOOK AT WHERE THAT GATE IS TO REALIZE PEYTONVILLE SHOULD 100% BE LEFT OUT OF THIS EQUATION. I GET PLAYERS CIRCLE IS THERE, I DON'T KNOW, MAKE AN ENTRANCE EXIT POINT THAT SYNCS UP WITH SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, BUT INVOLVING A GATE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE SENIOR HIGH WILL BE DETRIMENTAL. IF I COULD ASK YOU TO WRAP IT UP, THE RED LIGHT IS BLINKING. YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT TRAFFIC STUDIES. I TRIED TO FIND INFORMATION ON THAT AND I WAS TOLD THE DEVELOPER DOES THAT, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN DONE. SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD ON A SITUATION LIKE THIS WITH WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER CRUCIAL INFORMATION TRAFFIC STUDIES, AND THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT SOUTHLAKE WILL CONTINUE TO BE DEVELOPED. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT, BUT THIS PROJECT IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SENIOR HIGH. IN MY OPINION IT DESERVES SPECIAL CONSIDERATION WITH REGARDS TO THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF OUR STUDENTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS. [01:20:06] THANK YOU. PLEASE CONSIDER THE LONG TERM RAMIFICATIONS OF YOUR CHOICES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I'LL NOTE THAT YOU DID SUBMIT A PUBLIC COMMENT FORM STATING OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX A. SO THAT'LL BE PART OF THE RECORD AS WELL. NEXT, I HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD FROM HILARY RABBLER AT 602 STONEBRIDGE DRIVE, WHO INDICATED WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX A. COME ON DOWN, AND AGAIN, IF YOU COULD DO THE SAME THING, NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. MY NAME IS HILARY RABBLER. I LIVE AT 602 STONEBRIDGE DRIVE. MAYOR, COUNCIL AND NEIGHBORS. I LIVE IN SOUTHLAKE WOODS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT AND DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND I'M SHARING WITH YOU MY CONCERNS REGARDING TWO AREAS SAFETY AND DRAINAGE, AS WELL AS MY OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT'S USE AGAIN OF PEYTONVILLE AVENUE AS AN ENTRANCE AND AN EXIT. FIRST, I'LL ADDRESS THE SAFETY CONCERN WITH PEYTONVILLE. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE ONLY MEANS OF EXITING THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS BY TAKING THE RIGHT TURN ONTO PEYTONVILL. OBVIOUSLY, MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WANTING TO GET TO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, SO THE ONLY WAY TO DO THIS WOULD BE TO MAKE A U-TURN. OKAY ON PEYTONVILLE. NO ONE IS GOING TO WANT TO DRIVE DOWN PEYTONVILLE TO CONTINENTAL, OVER TO DAVIS AND THEN BACK TO 1709. SO THE U-TURNS ARE GOING TO BE INEVITABLE, RIGHT? THE NOR-- I'M SORRY. THE NORTH ENTRANCE TO SOUTHLAKE WOODS, WHICH IS STONEBRIDGE COURT, WOULD BE THE VERY FIRST STREET WHEREBY THESE DRIVERS CAN LEGALLY MAKE THE U-TURN USING OUR ENTRANCE. OKAY, SO IN SOUTHLAKE WOODS, WE HAVE A ENTRANCE WITH. KIND OF LIKE AN ISLAND. IT'S HARD TO SEE ON MY PICTURE HERE, BUT WE HAVE THIS THIS CIRCULAR AREA. MANY CARS DO IT NOW. RIGHT. SO THEY COME IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY SWING AROUND THE ISLAND LOOP, AND THEN THEY TURN BACK ONTO PEYTONVILLE. THE PROBLEM WE HAVE CURRENTLY, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE EXACERBATED BY THIS INCREASED NEED FOR U-TURNS, IS THAT I'VE GOT YOUNG KIDS AND MANY OTHER KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE REGULARLY RIDING BIKES AROUND THE ENTRANCE. RIGHT. SO KIDS ARE AROUND, THEY'RE PLAYING OUTSIDE, THEY'RE RIDING THEIR BIKES, AND I JUST SEE THIS AS A MAJOR PROBLEM. THIS PRESENTS QUITE A SAFETY HAZARD, AND I BELIEVE IT'S DANGEROUS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO I REALLY URGE YOU TO REMOVE PEYTONVILLE COMPLETELY AS A CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT'S ENTRANCE AND EXIT. IT'S JUST NOT WORTH THE RISK IN A NEIGHBORHOOD FILLED WITH KIDS. I KNOW MY TIME IS SHORT, BUT DRAINAGE IS ALSO AN ISSUE. WE LIVE ON THE GREENBELT IN SOUTHLAKE WOODS, AND OF COURSE, THIS IS NORTH OF US. WE'VE HAD SWELLING OR RAIN RAINFALLS THAT SWELL THE CREEK THERE, AND IT'S DEFINITELY A CONCERN. I REALIZE THERE'S A RETENTION POND ON THE SOUTH PART OF THIS, BUT I JUST IT'S A PAUSE FOR CONCERN FOR US, AND THE WATER HAS RISEN UP TO THE LEVEL WHERE THE STREET, LIKE THE BRIDGE IS THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE CITY HAS TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, SINCE WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING CONCRETE TO THE NORTH OF US. SO IN SUMMARY, I JUST URGE COUNCIL TO REJECT THIS ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OFF OF PEYTONVILLE. MAYBE USE A DIFFERENT GO OFF OF 1709 OR SOMEONE SAID ANOTHER WESTERN EXIT. AS WELL AS JUST ENSURE THAT THE WATER DRAINAGE IN SOUTHLAKE WOODS WON'T BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED. SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I ALSO HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE INDICATED THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND AND IF YOU WANT TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK, PLEASE DO SO. FIRST IS OSCAR REYNOSO, 806 WINDERMERE COURT, HERE IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT SUPPORTS ITEM SIX A. BARBARA WALSH AT 1355 LAKEVIEW DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX A. AMY MODJESKI AT 811 LONGHORN HOLLOW DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX A. NANCY MORGAN AT 1356 LAKEVIEW DRIVE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO ITEM SIX A. DAVID ALEXANDER AT 904 QUAIL CREEK COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO SIX A. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT A COMMENT CARD OR COME DOWN AND SPEAK? [01:25:02] COME ON DOWN. YES, AND AGAIN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THOSE THREE MINUTES WHERE THE LIGHT WILL TURN YELLOW AT ONE MINUTE. GO AHEAD. HELLO. GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. I PUT MY CARD LIKE I'M SUPPORTING THE PROJECT. I JUST WANT TO SAY THERE'S AN EXIT ON THE ON THE LEFT ON THE MAP. SO THE PEOPLE, THE DRIVERS CAN GO THROUGH THAT AREA AND GO TO PLAYERS CIRCLE, BUT I WANT TO SAY I USUALLY RUN IN THE MORNINGS. I LIVE IN TIMBERLAKE. SORRY. MY NAME IS OSCAR GABRIEL REYNOSO, 806 WINDERMERE COURT. I USUALLY RUN IN THE MORNINGS FROM CONTINENTAL, GO UP IN PEYTONVILLE AND I USE THE SIDEWALK, AND HONESTLY, I HAVE NEVER SEEN I NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT TIME WITH THE KIDS FROM THE FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL CROSSING THE STREET. LIKE I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM. HONESTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO GO IN ALL THAT AREA TO HAVE A COFFEE. I USUALLY GO TO THE COFFEE, WHICH IS PLAYERS CIRCLE GRADUATES COFFEE, WHICH I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM TO, TO HAVE THIS DEVELOPING GOING. WE HAVE MORE OPTIONS OF NEW HOUSES. PRETTY GOOD SIZE. THAT'S IT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP ON THE CITY. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT A COMMENT CARD OR COME DOWN AND SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH OR THE APPLICANT? OR YOU JUST WANT TO GET INTO SOME DISCUSSION ON ITEM SIX A. ALL RIGHT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED THEN. I'VE STRUGGLED WITH THIS PROPOSAL THE LAST WEEK OR SO SINCE THE FIRST READING. I APPRECIATE THAT THE APPLICANT, MR. YOUNG HAS HAS COME BACK WITH THE 25 RESIDENTIAL LOT PLAN THAT WAS DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND THE MORE I'VE LOOKED AT IT YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THAT PLAN IS EXACTLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS THE LOT SIZES, THE MINIMUMS OR EVEN THE AVERAGE, BUT I THINK I'M GETTING TO THE POINT OF PHILOSOPHICALLY, THESE LOTS ARE JUST TOO SMALL. I MEAN, THIS IS THE THIRD CASE WE'VE SEEN IN A MATTER OF MONTHS WITH THESE TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH, SPECIFICALLY INDIAN PAINTBRUSH, WHICH IS THE STREET JUST TO THE BOTTOM OR SOUTH OF THIS GRAPHIC WHERE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS, AND THOSE HOUSES ARE ALL ANYWHERE FROM 0.46 TO 0.56 ACRES, SO ROUGHLY HALF ACRE LOTS. SO I THINK FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT WANT ANYTHING DEVELOPED THERE. I UNDERSTAND THE ACCESS ISSUES ON PEYTONVILLE, BUT TO THE EXTENT SOMETHING WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, SOMETHING THAT CAN OR WILL BE DEVELOPED THERE, I THINK IT'S GOT TO MATCH UP TO THE SURROUNDING OR THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS THE HALF ACRE LOTS TO THE SOUTH. SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THESE LOT SIZES ON THE RESIDENTIAL. I KNOW THERE'S MORE COMING AND WE'LL TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME, BUT FOR THIS, I'M GOING TO NEED TO SEE RESIDENTIAL LOT SIZES THAT MATCH UP WITH WHAT'S DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH ON INDIAN PAINTBRUSH TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. I'M GOOD WITH THE COMMERCIAL ALONG 17 09I THINK WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT THAT'S SORT OF BESIDE THE WALGREENS, BUT MY PROBLEMS ARE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL LOT SIZES. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS. ANYONE ELSE? I AGREE WITH YOUR ANALYSIS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AND I TOO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE LOT SIZES MATCH THE LOT SIZES OF WHAT THEY ABUT UP TO. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF OUR STUDENTS, WHO ARE THE MOST INEXPERIENCED AND BRAZEN DRIVERS, JUST GIVEN THEIR AGE AND THE WILLINGNESS TO TAKE CHANCES. I DID DRIVE THAT AREA, AND ALSO, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A LEFT OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, EVEN IF YOU GO TO PLAYERS CIRCLE, I DO THAT ALL THE TIME. I MAKE A LEFT OFF OF 1709 ONTO PLAYERS CIRCLE. IF YOU I NEVER CHOOSE TO COME OUT OF THERE, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT AT 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON. I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT'S LIKE DURING THE MORNING. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE VERY UNSAFE. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE U-TURNS. I ALSO THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO MAKE A U-TURN INSTEAD OF GOING LEFT INTO THE PARKING LOT AT CARROLL, YOU COULD MAKE A [01:30:10] U-TURN, WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER JUST A MESS. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A U-TURN WHILE KIDS ARE TRYING TO GET IN THE PARKING LOT, OR A MOM'S IN A HURRY TRYING TO GET A KID THERE. SO I HAVE A REAL HARD TIME WITH SAFETY, AND I REMEMBER ONE TIME COMING TO THIS COUNCIL, THERE WAS ONLY ONE PERSON ON THIS CURRENT COUNCIL, AND I RAISED A CONCERN ABOUT SAFETY, ABOUT LEFT TURNS, AND THAT PERSON SAID AT THE TIME, IF ONE PERSON GETS HURT, IF ONE CHILD SHOULD GET KILLED TRYING TO MAKE A TURN BECAUSE WE'VE CREATED TRAFFIC, THEY COULD NOT DEAL WITH IT, AND I WAS APPRECIATIVE OF THAT ANALYSIS, AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING THE SAME THING OURSELVES. SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND I ALSO THINK ON THE COMMERCIAL, THE DRIVE THRU IS TERRIBLE THERE BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IF IT'S SOMETHING KIDS LIKE, I THINK WE'RE IN, IF IT'S SOMETHING THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT, BUT WHAT KID DOESN'T LIKE FOOD? IF IT'S DRIVE THRU AND IT'S QUICK AND IT'S EASY, I THINK IT'LL BE A MESS. YEAH. I TOO HAVE STRUGGLED WITH THIS FROM THE BEGINNING SINCE WE FIRST SAW IT AT CORRIDOR. I THINK FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN EXPRESSED, I DO THINK THE TRAFFIC, THE SAFETY ISSUES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE SOMETHING IS GOING TO GO HERE. I MEAN, IT IT WILL BE DEVELOPED WHETHER IT LOOKS SOMETHING LIKE THIS OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO I THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES. YOU KNOW, HAVING RAISED THREE DRAGONS K THROUGH 12 AT TWO TIMES OF THE DAY, IT IS A NIGHTMARE ON PEYTONVILLE, BUT THE REST OF THE TIME I'VE DRIVEN THAT MANY TIMES. IT'S I THINK THOSE SORTS OF THINGS CAN BE SORTED OUT, BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN FOR THIS IS THE LOT SIZE AND THE DENSITY AS IT RELATES TO WHAT'S TO THE SOUTH. I THINK THE YEAH, THE DRIVE THRU THE DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT IS POTENTIALLY CONCERNING, BUT IT'S KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT'S FAIRLY, I DON'T WANT TO SAY TOUGH TO GET TO, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE THE EFFORT TO GET IN THERE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE A ZOOM IN, ZOOM OUT ON THE CORNER. KIND OF RESTAURANT OR WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE, BUT YEAH, I'M JUST STILL STRUGGLING WITH THE DENSITY AS IT RELATES TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. SO THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO BE A TOUGH ONE FOR ME. ANYONE ELSE? DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU OFF OF PLAYERS CIRCLE. WHEN OR IF THIS AREA IS DEVELOPED. LET'S JUST SAY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL. IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION. DO YOU BELIEVE THE STATE WOULD SIGNAL PLAYERS CIRCLE, AND IN 1709 AT THAT POINT. OR. WHAT DO YOU THINK? IF IT MET THE WARRANTS, IT'S PROBABLY VERY CLOSE ON DISTANCE. I THINK THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT ABOUT SIGNALIZING A LITTLE FURTHER WEST WHERE THE SOUTHLAKE MARKETPLACE IS LOCATED. IF THEY COULD PROBABLY MANAGE ONE OR THE OTHER AS FAR AS TXDOT'S DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE TRAFFIC WARRANTS TO DO THAT. OKAY. SO IT'S A POSSIBILITY. I'M NOT SURE THAT IT DOES. YEAH. RIGHT NOW GIVEN HOW PLAYERS CIRCLE HAS DEVELOPED AND WHAT THIS WOULD POTENTIALLY ADD TO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. I MEAN, MY THOUGHTS MAYOR AND COUNCIL, BECAUSE I'VE REALLY SPENT TIME TRYING TO THINK THROUGH THIS ONE, EVEN JUST KIND OF OUT OF THE BOX THOUGHTS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAKING A HOODED RIGHT OFF OF PEYTONVILLE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO WHERE YOU ELIMINATE ANY OF THE CHALLENGE OF PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN RIGHT WITH ALL THAT SCHOOL TRAFFIC OR, YOU KNOW, WORSE YET, THEY TRY TO TURN RIGHT AND THEY DIVE INTO THE ENTRY LANE WITH STUDENTS TRYING TO DO A U-TURN. I MEAN, IT'S MESSY. THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT IS MESSY RIGHT THERE. IT I MEAN, THE MORE I'VE STUDIED IT, IT JUST IT FEELS LIKE THAT IT IT NEEDS TO BE THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION THAT PLAYERS CIRCLE PERHAPS IS, IS WHERE THE, THE ENTRY POINT IS, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY ENTRY AND EXIT POINT, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT IT BEING SIGNALED BECAUSE TO COUNCILMEMBER SHARLI'S POINT. YEAH, I DON'T DRIVE THAT EVERY DAY, SO I HAVE TO COUNT ON PEOPLE THAT DO, BUT THAT'S A CURB. IT'S A BUSY HIGHWAY. I MEAN, YOU PUT ENOUGH TRAFFIC ON THAT. OVER TIME, THERE'S GOING TO BE SITUATIONS THAT HAPPEN. [01:35:01] SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT. I LIKE THE COMMERCIAL AN AWFUL LOT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL. I THINK THE MAYOR MAKES SOME GREAT POINTS ABOUT SOMETHING MORE COMPATIBLE TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL. SO YEAH, IT JUST FEELS LIKE THERE'S JUST A COUPLE TOO MANY WARTS ON HERE FOR ME TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH. JUST SOME UNCERTAINTY ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO TRANSPIRE. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, ISN'T THE PLAYERS CIRCLE ENTRANCE EXIT FULLY ACCESSIBLE? IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY. IT'S A RIGHT. I MEAN, I SAW SOME THINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED THAT IT WAS EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY, AND THAT THE RESIDENTS COULD NOT USE THAT. NO. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THAT TO BE A RESIDENT FULL USE, FULL USE, IT WOULD BE GATED AS THEY'RE PROPOSING IT. IT WOULDN'T ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY TRAFFIC OUTSIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR VISITORS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT YES, IT'S INTENDED AS A FULL USABLE ACCESS POINT. SO, I MEAN, WHERE MY HEAD IS WITH IT IS IT FOLLOWS OUR LAND USE PLAN WITH THE COMMERCIAL AT THE TOP, THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ON THE LOWER HALF. IF I'M A RESIDENT IN HERE AND IT'S 745 IN THE MORNING, I'M GOING TO GO OUT PLAYERS CIRCLE AND MAKE A RIGHT ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, WHICH I BELIEVE IS A SAFE, EASY THING TO DO. SO I DON'T I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF RESIDENTS THAT HAVE THE OPTION OF LEAVING VIA PLAYERS CIRCLE. CHOOSE TO GO PEYTONVILLE AND BATTLE THE KIDS. I JUST DON'T I JUST THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE PLAYERS CIRCLE. I LIKE THE COMMERCIAL PIECE UP FRONT. IT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. IT LOOKS CONSISTENT. THE DEVELOPER CAME BACK AND DID THE LARGER LOT. SO I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. THIS IS THE RARE INSTANCE WHERE I FEEL LIKE THE PLAN GOT WORSE, AND I REALIZED HE WAS DEALING WITH COMPETING DEMANDS. I WAS NEVER GOING TO BE FOR A PLAN THAT TOOK OUT THE GREENSPACE. I WAS PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. I GUESS I DISAGREE ON THE ENTRY AND EXIT. I GO TO THAT COFFEE SHOP A LOT. TO ME, USING THE EXITING THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFF OF PEYTONVILLE MAKES THE MOST SENSE AND IS ALSO THE MOST PROBLEMATIC. IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE BECAUSE IT GETS ME BEYOND THAT RED LIGHT. THEN THERE I'M ONLY TAKING A RIGHT HAND TURN. I'M NOT TRYING TO FIGHT THE TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING, WHICH IS A HUGE OBSTACLE. IF YOU'VE COME FROM KELLER IN FRONT OF THAT WALGREENS OR CVS OR WALGREENS. SO I ABSOLUTELY THINK PEOPLE ARE RIGHT THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TRY TO EXIT THERE. IT JUST MAKES THE MOST SENSE. IT'S THE MOST LOGICAL, EVEN THOUGH ON ITS FACE IT MAY NOT APPEAR SO. I JUST KEEP SAYING ROUND PEG, SQUARE HOLE. I GET THAT WHEN THE GENTLEMAN LAST WEEK SAID, WELL, WE GOT TO GET TO 25 HOMES FOR THIS TO BE FEASIBLE. I KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. I KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE VERY LITTLE APPETITE FOR THE DENSITY. TO ME, AGAIN, I STAND BY WHAT I SAID. TO ME, THIS GOT WORSE. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. GO AHEAD. IT SOUNDS LIKE MY OPINION IS IRRELEVANT ON THIS, HONESTLY, BUT I THINK THAT FOR ME, I LOVE THE COMMERCIAL UP TOP. I LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL. I DO WISH, I KIND OF WISH YOU'D HAVE DONE WHAT WE WHAT WE KNEW YOU HAD TO DO, WHICH WAS GET IT TO 10,000 MINIMUM, WHICH IS WHAT WAS ASKED FOR, AND WE DIDN'T GET THERE. I MEAN, EVEN EVEN YOU SAID CURTIS. A FEW LOTS BELOW 10,000 BY MY COUNT, AND I CAN'T SEE TOTALLY, BUT I THINK YOU'VE GOT 16 OF THE LOTS THAT ARE MARKEDLY LESS THAN 10,000, LIKE 9300, 8950, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE I EVEN TOLD YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE THAT ARE 98, 97, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND WE'RE STILL SITTING AT TEN PLUS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REASONABLE TO ME. QUARTER ACRE LOTS OVER THERE. I DON'T HAVE A HUGE DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE I THINK, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, WE COULD PUT A NO U-TURN SIGN BECAUSE TO ME, THE U-TURN IS THE ONLY PIECE THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME. PEOPLE GOING ON PEYTONSVILLE TURNING RIGHT AND TRYING TO U-TURN TO GO BACK TO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, I THINK. I THINK COUNCILMAN RIGHT. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO OUT, PLAYERS CIRCLE TO TURN RIGHT ONTO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD. THIS IS GOING TO BECOME SOMETHING. WE CAN'T PREVENT ANY TRAFFIC HERE. IF THEY TAKE THIS DOWN TO 20 HOMES AND GET THE GET THE LOTS WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, IT'S YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE SOME SEMBLANCE OF TRAFFIC THERE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WOODED AREA FOREVER. SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE ISSUES AT SOME POINT IN TIME. [01:40:02] YEAH, ON THE TRAFFIC ISSUE AND ACCESS, WHETHER IT'S TO PLAYERS CIRCLE OR PEYTONVILLE, I EVEN TRIED TO SKETCH OUT IN MY MIND, COULD WE IF YOU LOSE ONE OF THE LOTS, WHETHER IT'S 21 THROUGH 25, ONE OF THOSE LOTS TO PROVIDE ACCESS THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL PART, I'M GUESSING THAT REALLY HURTS THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND LINKS IT UP TO THE COMMERCIAL PART. MAYBE THERE COULD BE A GATED ENTRANCE SO THAT PEOPLE COULD GO NORTH OUT OF THE PROPERTY, THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL PART, AND GET THE 1709. I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S JUST AN IDEA. I'M NOT SURE IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT THERE'S JUST SO MANY ISSUES HERE THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY RESIDENTS AND RAISED BY COUNCIL. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THIS TONIGHT, BUT ANY QUESTIONS FOR GO AHEAD? YEAH. JUST ONE MORE QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, IS THAT ABSOLUTELY CRAZY? JUST YOU JUST WOULD NEVER CONSIDER DOING A RIGHT TURN IN ONLY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE ALMOST A HOODED ENTRY THERE WHERE IT, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMEMBER ROBBINS SAID YOU PUT A NO U-TURN SIGN, BUT THAT'S FINE, BUT DESIGN WISE, COULD YOU EVEN CONSIDER ELIMINATING THE ABILITY TO MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BY THE WAY YOU BUILD YOUR ENTRY? I WOULD. WELL, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS IT. IT WOULD PROBABLY INHIBIT TRAFFIC THAT THEIR INTENT IS TO GO SOUTH. I MEAN, IF THEY WANT TO USE CONTINENTAL TO GET BACK AND FORTH FROM SOME OF THE OTHER MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, I KNOW. YEAH. I MEAN, IT WOULD YEAH, IT WOULD STOP THEIR ABILITY TO GO TO CONTINENTAL, BUT I THINK THAT'S MINIMAL. HOW MANY PEOPLE. THE CONCERN WAS, YOU KNOW, U-TURNS AND OF COURSE SUBJECT TO OUR OUR CITY ENGINEERING STAFF REVIEWING IT EITHER A A NO U-TURN AT THAT TURN BAY WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE FUNCTIONAL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT MIGHT BE HIGHLY RESTRICTIVE ON ON HOW TRAFFIC COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE. WELL, IT WOULD BE RIGHT IN, NO OUT. OH, I SEE YOUR POINT. GOTCHA. RIGHT NOW IT IS RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE RIGHT IN WITH NO OUT, IN ESSENCE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE CREATIVE HERE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE HEARTBURN IS HERE, AND POINT BEING, THOUGH, YES, I MEAN, THAT'S CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE PROHIBITIVE FOR TRAFFIC THAT MAY WISH TO GO SOUTHBOUND ON PEYTONVILLE TO HAVE TO USE ONE OF THESE OTHER PATHWAYS TO GET THERE, AND SO THAT WAS MY POINT. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. I AGREE WITH THAT. I DO THINK COUNCILMEMBER SMITH, HE MADE A GOOD POINT IN THAT. I MEAN, HUMAN NATURE WILL BE TO TRY TO IT'S LIKE TRYING TO GET A PARKING SPOT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NEXT TO THE STORE YOU WANT IN TOWN CENTER AT CHRISTMAS. YOU KNOW, MY NATURE IS TO DRIVE RIGHT THERE AND THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FOR ME. IT'LL BE THERE, AND I THINK THE NATURE HERE WILL BE IF I CAN JUST CATCH TRAFFIC JUST RIGHT, I CAN DODGE OUT THERE, DO MY U-TURN AND BE GOOD TO GO, AND THEN YOU END UP WITH SOME TRAFFIC QUEUING RIGHT THERE. THAT PERSON TRYING TO DO THAT AND IT'S JUST IT'S JUST MESSY. I MEAN, THOSE OF US WHO'VE DROPPED KIDS OFF, AND I'M SURE ALL OF US ON THIS COUNCIL, ON THIS DAIS HAVE DONE IT, HAVE TURNED INTO THAT SPORTS COMPLEX, HAVE HAVE EITHER TRIED IT OR FOUGHT PEOPLE TRYING TO DO THAT, MAKE A U-TURN THERE. USUALLY I'M TAKING A LEFT THERE, BUT I'VE BEEN THERE AND SEEN PEOPLE TRY TO TAKE A U-TURN RIGHT THERE, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, LUCKILY THERE WAS AN SRO TO STOP IT, BUT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. THANK YOU. DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO SAY ANYTHING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE AND FROM THE COUNCIL? GO AHEAD. YES. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, IS A LITTLE BIT OVERSTATED IN HERE. THIS IS ONLY 25 RESIDENTIAL LOTS. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO GO HERE? IF IT'S COMMERCIAL AS IT CURRENTLY IS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC FROM THAT, AND I THINK CERTAINLY IN THE MORNING WHEN THE HIGH SCHOOLERS ARE GOING TO TOWN, THAT'S, THAT'S AN ISSUE, AND WHICH IS WHY ALL OF THESE 25 HOMES CAN EXIT ON TO PLAYERS CIRCLE AND GET OUT TO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD. I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT CONCERN, AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU. [01:45:03] WE THOUGHT WE WERE WORKING WITH YOU BY BRINGING A PLAN THAT WE THOUGHT MET THE NEED. YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WERE HEARING LAST TIME AND WE GOT A70 VOTE ON THAT MOTION. NOW, IF DOCTOR ROBBINS, YOU MENTIONED GETTING TO 10,000FT². YOU KNOW. WELL, WE WERE TOLD THERE'S A FEW OF THEM. COULD BE LESS THAN THAT. IF WE NEED TO GET THESE TO 10,000FT², THEN GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW, I MAYOR, YOU MENTIONED THE ADJACENCY TO THE LOTS TO THE SOUTH OF US. I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE FOLKS. THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS. THEY ASKED FOR NOT A SIMILAR SIZE LOT, BUT A GREENBELT NEXT TO THEM. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE PROVIDED. WE LAST TIME WE HAD A COUPLE OF YOU SAY THAT YOU KIND OF LIKED THE GREENBELT IN BETWEEN THE LOTS. THERE. THAT REMAINS AN OPTION. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU LIKE BETTER, I'M ALL EARS. YOU KNOW, WE WERE WE'RE KIND OF GETTING, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS HERE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE YOU ALL HAPPY, AND IT'S HARD TO MAKE YOU ALL HAPPY WHEN. WHEN SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING THIS THING, SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING LAST THING, BUT WE REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS A WOULD BE A VERY GREAT USE FOR THIS. IT FOLLOWS THE LAND USE PLAN, AND IF WE NEED TO MAKE SOME ALTERATIONS BUFF IT A LITTLE BIT UP, YOU KNOW, LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO FIGURE IT OUT. DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON HOW TO ELIMINATE A RIGHT HAND TURN OUT OF THE FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, MY OPINION IS IT'S NOT REALLY THAT AN ISSUE. IT'S REALLY NOT AN ISSUE EXCEPT IN THE MORNING. I KNOW WE KNOW THAT WE AGREE AND THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET OUT THE PLAYERS CIRCLED BY ALL THESE PEOPLE, THEN IF IT'S AN ISSUE AND I'M IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF MORNING TRAFFIC OF HIGH SCHOOLERS THERE, THEN I'M GOING TO GO OUT PLAYERS CIRCLE AND AVOID THE ISSUE ENTIRELY. SO NOW SOMEONE THAT GOES SOUTH ON PEYTONVILLE THAT WILL CONTINUE SOUTH, THEY MIGHT GO OUT THERE AND GO SOUTH, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY A MINOR PORTION OF YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTION THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO LEAVE IN THE MORNING. YOU KNOW, PEYTONVILLE IS A FOUR LANE DIVIDED ROAD IN THIS LOCATION. IT'S ZONED FOR OFFICE BUILDINGS ALONG THERE. THERE'S GOING TO BE TRAFFIC ONTO PEYTONVILLE. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF OF THAT ROAD. YES. IT'S GOT THE SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. SO THERE'S TIMES WHEN YOU KNOW, IT'S CLOGGED UP AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S INEXPERIENCED DRIVERS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THAT'S WHY WE THINK THE ABILITY TO EXIT DURING THAT TIME OUT TO PLAYERS CIRCLE AND GET ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD DIRECTLY FROM THERE BASICALLY SOLVES THAT PROBLEM. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK TOO, THOUGH, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO MINIMIZE THE TIME THAT THIS IS BECAUSE PEYTONVILLE DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, IT'S SEVERAL TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY THAT IT GETS BACKED UP BECAUSE OF STUDENTS DRIVING BETWEEN THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL. SO IT'S NOT JUST A 7:30 A.M. THING. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THERE'S REALLY NOT VERY MUCH TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF 24 HOMES OR 25 HOMES MIDDAY, THOUGH, AND THE SO-CALLED RUSH HOUR IN THE EVENING WOULD BE LONG AFTER THE MAJORITY OF THE STUDENTS ARE GONE. THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. SO TO YOUR COMMENTS AT THE VERY BEGINNING, THOUGH, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE AN OPTION THAT MEETS COUNCILMEMBER SMITH'S CONCERN OF, I ACTUALLY DO LIKE THE GREENSPACE, YOU KNOW, IN THAT CENTER AREA AND MEETS COUNCILMEMBER ROBBINS OF ALL LOTS AT 10,000. ARE YOU SAYING YOU CAN DO BOTH? WELL, I CAN PROBABLY GET THIS PLAN TO ALL 10,000 OR A FEW. I MEAN, IF YOU TELL ME THAT I WANT NO MORE THAN A QUARTER OF THEM, LESS THAN 10,000, KIND OF FOLLOWING YOUR THING, THEN I CAN PROBABLY DO THAT ON THIS PLAN IF WE WANT SOME. YOU KNOW THAT GREEN BELT BACK IN THERE, THEN THAT'S GOING TO BE TOUGHER. I HAVEN'T REALLY THOUGHT THAT THROUGH, BUT I GUESS WHAT I REALLY WANT IS A CONSENSUS FROM Y'ALL. WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO GET, YOU KNOW, A CONSENSUS OF PEOPLE HERE THAT WOULD AGREE TO IT? [01:50:08] YEAH. I MEAN, HONESTLY, I'D BE FRUSTRATED IF I WERE YOU TOO, BECAUSE I DO THINK, LIKE, I HONESTLY, I DON'T REMEMBER YOU SAYING THAT IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT, THAT'S A NO VOTE FOR ME AND I DON'T REALLY GET WHY TAKING THAT ONE LITTLE STRIP OF GREENSPACE OUT WHEN IT MAKES ALL THE LOTS BIGGER IS A NO VOTE. WHEN WE LEAVE ALL THE OTHER GREENSPACE THERE, THAT'S OF CONSEQUENCE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND EVERYTHING. I THINK WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH WITH HOW WE DICTATE TRAFFIC IN THIS SPOT, BECAUSE WHAT DO WE GET? SO WHAT DO WE SAY WE WANT HERE? ONE ESTATE HOME WITH FOUR KIDS. I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REASONABLE IN WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO GO HERE. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME LEVEL OF TRAFFIC. IF YOU PUT OFFICE BUILDINGS THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE MASSIVE, I GUESS. I GUESS WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO THERE ORIGINALLY? WHAT WE'VE APPROVED THE GREEN ACRES NURSERY, ALL THEIR STUFF WAS GOING OUT THE FRONT, BUT WE ALL AGREED WHEN IT WAS SAID AND DONE. IT WAS AN ODD LOOK FOR FACING THE BACK OF EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THEY OBVIOUSLY COULDN'T MAKE IT WORK EITHER. SO I JUST THINK, I THINK WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT NITPICKING THIS TO DEATH. I MEAN, I THINK TO ME YOU ASKED FOR 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS MINIMUM. I THINK IF YOU GET THERE, WHETHER AND I THINK GIVE THEM A NUMBER SAY YOU GET THREE LOTS, FOUR LOTS THAT ARE UNDER TEN. WHATEVER IT IS, WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO SHOOT FOR INSTEAD OF THIS. THIS JUST ESOTERIC. BETTER. YEAH. CURTIS, I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE GETTING MIXED SIGNALS, I THINK, BUT I DID HEAR LOUD AND CLEAR THE LAST MEETING, ESPECIALLY FROM THE MAYOR, THAT IF IT WASN'T MINIMUM OF 10,000 THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE OUT, AND FRANCES SECONDED THAT. SO I CAME INTO TONIGHT THINKING THAT YOU COULD HAVE AN UPHILL BATTLE, AND IT APPEARS THAT I'M RIGHT, BUT I FOR ME, THE REASON THAT I THINK THAT IT WORKS IS BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A GOOFY SPOT. YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF PLAYERS CIRCLE COMMERCIAL BUILDING, STAMPEDE SPORTS. YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THE NEIGHBORS OF BUFFERING AND TALKING TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT WITH THE POND AND THE GREENBELT SPACE. I ALSO CONCUR WITH YOU THAT IF I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M NOT GOING TO FIGHT. I WILL GO OUT PLAYERS CIRCLE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PERSONALLY DO, BUT I ALSO AM LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE UP HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT LESS DENSE. SO IF YOU CAN GET THERE AND YOU CAN GET MINIMUM OF 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, IT'S MY OPINION, AND I'M OF COURSE ONLY ONE VOTE THAT YOU PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SOME MORE SUPPORT. I THINK THE OTHER PIECE WE STRUGGLE WITH TOO IS WE KEEP SAYING LIKE WE SAY, WE WANT IT TO BE LIKE LIKE MINDED TO THE NEIGHBOR, TO THE NEIGHBORS, TO THE SOUTH. I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT MEANS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SOME WITH THE STUFF ACROSS THE STREET. THESE ARE GOING TO BE, WHAT, 2 - $2.5 MILLION HOMES MINIMUM. YES. THAT'S REALLY NOT LIKE MINDED TO JUST SOUTH OF THAT. I MEAN BECAUSE I THINK SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PUTTING. ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RECRUIT IF YOU MAKE THESE HALF ACRE LOTS AND PUT $5 MILLION HOMES ON THEM, IS THAT WHAT THOSE PEOPLE WANT? IS THAT ARE PEOPLE GOING TO BUY THAT IN THAT SPOT? I MEAN, WELL, THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY NOT OUR CALL. THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE, AND THE PRICE OF THE LAND THAT THIS APPLICANT IS IF WHETHER THEY OWN IT OR THEY'RE BUYING IT, THAT'LL ALL BE FLESHED OUT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I WENT BACK TO THE GREEN ACRES NURSERY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE APPROVED YEARS AGO, AND, YOU KNOW, NOBODY OBJECTED TO THAT OR I DON'T RECALL ANY OBJECTIONS, REALLY, AND I THINK THE ISSUE THERE WAS OR THE DIFFERENCE THERE WAS THERE WAS NO ACCESS ONTO PEYTONVILLE. YEAH. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THAT. IT CAME TO A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS AT CORRIDOR. IT CAME HERE AND IT WAS FACED WEIRD. THEY HAD WEIRD PARKING UP ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD. WE ASKED THEM TO CHANGE THAT. THEY MOVED THINGS AND THEY CAME BACK AND WANTED TO RESHAPE THINGS. I MEAN, THERE WAS IT WAS BEFORE US 3 OR 4 TIMES, YOU KNOW AND IT IT NEVER LOOKED RIGHT. I MEAN, IT WAS IT WAS KIND OF A AND OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T RIGHT OR THEY'D HAVE BUILT IT BECAUSE THEY BUILT 3 OR 4 OTHERS IN THE METROPLEX I'VE SEEN. SO I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE CONSENSUS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. I THINK YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEAS OR DIFFERENT OPINIONS, SO I'M NOT SURE WE CAN OFFER YOU THE CONSENSUS THAT GETS YOU THERE. SO I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY JUST READY TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE, AND HE CAN TABLE IF HE WANTS. CAN I, CAN I TABLE AND AT LEAST YEAH, MAYBE HAVE SOME MORE CONVERSATIONS TO FIND OUT WHAT WILL WORK HERE. I MEAN, I HATE TO JUST THROW IT ALL OUT AND START OVER. I AGREE WITH THAT. IF YOU WANT A TABLE, WE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH AND MANY TIMES THAT IF THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A TABLE, WE TYPICALLY GRANT THAT KNOWING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING IN DECEMBER, BUT YOU'D BE INTO THE NEW YEAR, BUT IF THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THE TABLE, WE TYPICALLY HONOR THAT REQUEST. WELL, WHAT I'D LIKE TO. [01:55:02] YES. WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR IS, IS I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST DEVELOPMENT HERE AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S HALF ACRE LOTS. IF IT'S 10,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOTS, AND THAT'S AN ABSOLUTE THING, THEN I'LL GO TO WORK AND GET 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE COMMENTS ARE, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S AN ENTRY DIRECTLY OFF OF SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, TO ME, THAT'S NOT AS PLEASANT AS ONE OFF OF, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND STREETS FOR A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IF ACCESS TO PEYTONVILLE IS SUCH AN ISSUE THAT SEEMS WARRANTED, THEN I WANT TO HEAR THAT FROM FROM YOU. I'M YOU KNOW, I WANT TO COME TO A SOLUTION HERE. SO I'D APPRECIATE IT IF WE COULD TABLE NOW AND IF EACH OF YOU THAT WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS COULD PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, SPEND SOME TIME WITH ME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST ANSWERS ARE, THEN THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO WANT TO PURSUE. MAYOR, CAN I COMMENT REAL QUICK? GO AHEAD. I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT BECAUSE COUNCILMEMBER ROBBINS BROUGHT THIS UP THE LAST TIME. MAYBE I WASN'T EMPHATIC, BUT I SAID TO YOU, THE APPLICANT, I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH IT BECAUSE IT FELT LESS DENSE WITH THE GREENSPACE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. I ALSO SAID I DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF INDIGESTION ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT OVERALL BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE THIS SPOT DEVELOP AND I THINK THE COMMERCIAL LOOKS FANTASTIC. I ALSO DID NOT RAISE A WHOLE LOT OF OBJECTION ABOUT THE PEYTONVILLE, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT 100 HOMES, IT'S 25. MY THINKING, HOWEVER, WHEN WE LEFT HERE WAS THE MAYOR SAID, GET TO A NUMBER. I HAVE NEVER BEEN FOR IT BEING AS DENSE AS IT IS WHAT YOU BROUGHT TONIGHT WITHOUT THE GREENSPACE, IRRESPECTIVE OF HOW ANYBODY ELSE FEELS. THAT'S MY OPINION. I JUST WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. SO REQUESTING TO TABLE? YES. JANUARY WHATEVER. DO YOU MIND IF THE OWNER SPEAKS? YEAH WE HAVEN'T CLOSED THE HEARING YET. IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. CAN I TURN OFF THE MIC FOR ONE SECOND OR. NO? PARDON ME. CAN I SPEAK TO HIM FOR ONE SECOND? SURE. IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT IN THE HALLWAY, IF YOU WANT. PREFER THAT TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF MINUTES. YEAH. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. YEAH. I THINK YOUR MICROPHONE MAY BE OFF. HELLO? THERE YOU GO. HELLO? IT'S ON. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. MY NAME IS LOU LURIO, 6310 LEMON AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS, SUITE 202. I AM THE DEVELOPER PURCHASING THE PROPERTY REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING. I ALREADY OWN THE PIECE ON PEYTONVILLE. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE TONIGHT IS WORK A COMPROMISE. OTHERWISE, IF I GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND I GO ALL COMMERCIAL, THAT'S BY RIGHT. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE OPTIMAL FOR TRAFFIC FLOW OR FOR ANYTHING ELSE. DOCTOR ROBBINS HAS COMMENTED ON THE 10,000. MAYOR MCCASKILL HAS. I AM WILLING TO GET TRY TO GET A CONSENSUS TONIGHT BY REMOVING SOME LOTS AND KEEPING THE GREENBELT, WHICH MR. SMITH LIKES, AND KEEPING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF $10,000, WHICH DOCTOR ROBBINS LIKES, AND WORKING ON A COMPROMISE TO SAY IF I GET THE LOT, REMOVE ENOUGH LOTS TO GET DOWN TO A MINIMUM 10,000 AND STILL KEEP THE GREENBELT. IS THAT SOMETHING I CAN GET A CONSENSUS ON TO GET A VOTE TONIGHT? AND GET APPROVED? OTHERWISE I DO NOT WANT TO GO DOWN THE ROAD OF HIGHER DENSITY COMMERCIAL AND TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS BECAUSE THE DIRT IS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR HALF ACRE LOTS. THERE'S THE NUMBERS. DO NOT PENCIL OUT. [02:00:01] WHETHER IT'S ME OR ANYBODY ELSE. THE DEAL WILL NOT PENCIL OUT THAT WAY. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE AT SOME POINT A DEVELOPER, IF IT'S NOT ME OR WHOEVER I SELL THE PROPERTY TO, THAT'S GOING TO WANT TO PUSH MOSTLY COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THE YIELD IS MUCH HIGHER AT A MUCH GREATER PROFIT. SO I'M TRYING TO WORK SOMETHING WHERE YOU ADD RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, NOT A TON, BUT YOU ADD $2.5 MILLION HOMES THAT FAMILIES THAT GO TO FEED INTO THE HIGH SCHOOL CAN AFFORD WILL PUSH THE TRAFFIC ON PLAYERS CIRCLE OUT ONTO 1709 AND WILL, YOU KNOW, ONLY BE 20 SOMETHING CARS IN THE MORNING THAT CAN EASILY LEAVE OFF OF PLAYERS CIRCLE? I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE ON A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY, AND I WANT TO REACH A DEAL WITH SOUTHLAKE TO SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY WANTS THAT THE SCHOOL WILL BENEFIT FROM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BENEFIT FROM. WE'VE HAD VERY POSITIVE MEETINGS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH; THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF IT. THE DETENTION POND ACTUALLY BENEFITS THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH BECAUSE THE RUNOFF DOES NOT GO INTO SOUTHLAKE IF THE SOUTHLAKE WOODS. YES. IT DOES NOT GO INTO SOUTHLAKE WOODS. IT ACTUALLY HOLDS IN OUR OVERSIZE DETENTION POND. SO BY REMOVING, YOU KNOW, 2 OR 3 LOTS OR WHATEVER IT TAKES, RETAINING THE GREENBELT AND GETTING THE LOTS TO A MINIMUM OF 10,000 IS WHAT I'M WILLING TO DO TO GET A DEAL DONE AND MAKE EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE WITH MR. YOUNG, THAT WAS FIRST READING, SO I THINK WE FELT MORE COMFORTABLE MOVING IT ALONG TO A SECOND READING WITH MORE TO COME. WE'RE ON A SECOND READING NOW. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE VOTING ON SOMETHING I HAVEN'T SEEN, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THIS AND WILLING TO DO THAT, BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE VOTING UP OR DOWN WITHOUT SEEING IT. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THE TABLING PART COMES IN. THAT KICKS YOU INTO JANUARY, AND I MAY BE, YOU KNOW, OUTVOTED HERE ON THAT, BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE VOTING ON SOMETHING I HAVEN'T SEEN, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU ASKED FOR 10,000 LAST TIME AND WE GOT ONLY NINE OF 25 LOTS AT 10,000 OR GREATER, AND SO I DON'T I WOULD NOT BE WILLING TO, BUT I ALSO WANT TO GO ON RECORD SAYING I THINK THE DENSITY SHOULD MIRROR WHAT IT BACKS UP TO. SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE LEGALITIES. CAN WE VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN ON OR CONCEPT LIKE I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAYS. I'M GREAT WITH THAT, BUT IF WE IF WE DON'T SEE IT, CAN WE? I'M SORRY, I'M ASKING. SO I THINK IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE DEVELOPER CORRECTLY, WHAT HE'S ASKING IS COUNCIL'S COMFORT LEVEL IF HE BRINGS BACK SOMETHING THAT IS THAT HAS THE GREENSPACE IN THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT MINIMUM. IS HE WASTING HIS TIME OR NOT BY BRINGING THEM BACK? I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S HOPING TO GET HERE FROM COUNCIL. I THINK THE DEVELOPER IS LOOKING FOR US TO VOTE, AND I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR OUR ATTORNEY IS IF WE CRAFT A MOTION, CAN IT BE WITH A CONTINGENCY THAT WE STILL HAVE TO LATER APPROVE THE SITE PLAN OR SOMETHING? CORRECT. WE'VE DONE THAT. CORRECT. DO YOU RECALL? YEAH. IT IS. IT IS AWKWARD WITHOUT YOU HAVING SEEN IT, BUT YES, THAT'S AN OPTION. SO WHAT I'M OFFERING IS 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT MINIMUMS WITH THE GREENSPACE CUTTING THE LOTS TO. YOU KNOW, IF I HAVE TO CUT FIVE LOTS, WHATEVER I HAVE TO CUT TO GET TO THAT 10,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM, AND STILL KEEPING THE GREENSPACE FOR MR. SMITH, WHO HE LIKES THE GREENSPACE, AND FRANKLY, I LIKE THE GREENSPACE. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. I MEAN, THIS, AND I'M JUST BEING TRANSPARENT. IS FIVE WEEKS, LIKE, CRITICAL? I MEAN, BECAUSE BECAUSE IN FIVE WEEKS IS WHEN OUR NEXT MEETING IS, AND ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF THE DEAL, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT. FIVE WEEKS DOES. YEAH. THIS THIS HAS BEEN A VERY CONTENTIOUS DEAL WITH THE SELLER, AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE TIME. I ALREADY OWN THE PIECE. IF I HAVE TO JUST DEVELOP THE PEYTONVILLE PIECE INTO OFFICES, I CAN DO THAT, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH THAT SAME TRAFFIC ISSUE COMING OUT OF OFFICES ON PEYTONVILLE. SO I CAN DO THAT BY. RIGHT. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO WORK IS A COMPROMISE WHERE I SAY, HEY, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE 10,000 MINIMUMS. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE GREENSPACE. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE OPEN SPACE AT THE BOTTOM, AND I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL LOAN, AND IT WILL BE AN APPROVAL BASED ON THAT AND THEN FINAL APPROVAL BASED ON THE SCHEMATIC THAT CURTIS DRAWS UP. AS LONG AS THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYS THAT WE CAN CRAFT THE MOTION THAT DOES THAT. [02:05:03] I'M FINE WITH THAT. I MEAN, I WANT TO TRY TO RESPECT THE FINANCES OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S MORE MONEY THAN. YEAH, I DO TOO. I UNDERSTAND THAT SIDE OF THE DEAL TOO, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WE STARTED WITH 30. WE HAD OUR CONVERSATION LAST TIME, GOT IT TO 25 WITH THE STRONG RECOMMENDATION OF A MINIMUM OF 10,000, AND WE DIDN'T GET THERE, AND SO THAT'S CAUSED A PROBLEM TONIGHT, AND NOW WHEN IT'S ON THE VERGE OF NOT GOING YOUR WAY. WELL, NOW I CAN CUT FIVE MORE LOTS. I CAN GET IT WHERE WE WANT IT. I DON'T KNOW, AND I CAN PUT THE GREENSPACE BACK. WHY DIDN'T WE HEAR ALL THAT? WELL, BECAUSE WE WERE ASKED FOR TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS LAST TWO WEEKS AGO. WE WERE. THE MAYOR ASKED FOR AN OPTION WITH THE GREENSPACE AND WITHOUT THE GREENSPACE, AND FOR LARGER LOTS WITH NO GREENSPACE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE PROVIDED THEN TONIGHT, BUT WE DIDN'T GET TO THE 10,000 WE GOT. WE GOT CLOSE. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A DECREASING RETURN ON HOW MUCH I CAN FIT. CAN I STILL MAKE THE DEAL WORK AT A COUPLE LESS LOTS? YES. IS IT EXTREMELY PROFITABLE? NO, BUT I'M THIS FAR INTO IT. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. WELL, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IF ALL OF THEM HAD TO BE 10,000, AND, YOU KNOW, I GOT THE AVERAGE WELL ABOVE 10,000, AND WHAT I HEARD WAS A FEW OF THEM COULD BE MAYBE THERE'S TOO MANY AND THAT'S MY FAULT. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT WE WANT TO GET SOMETHING THAT WORKS WITH SOUTHLAKE AND YOU FOLKS, AND SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S BETTER IF 25 LOSSES IS APPROVED, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THE CALCULUS IF WE HAVE TO LOSE 2 OR 3 LOTS OR WHATEVER IT IS, WHETHER IT STILL MAKES SENSE. WE THINK IT DOES, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND. I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND, CURTIS, BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH US A LONG TIME IS THE DIFFICULT SPOT. IT PUTS US IN OF TRYING TO GUESS, IS THIS REALLY THE BOTTOM HERE WHERE THEY CAN GET TO BECAUSE WE ARE IN AN AWKWARD SPOT IN THIS PIECE AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST FOR EVERYBODY THE DEVELOPER, THE CITY, THE RESIDENTS, THE SCHOOL, EVERYONE, AND IT'S JUST IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US WHEN WE HAVE TO SIT HERE AND WONDER, ARE WE ARE WE REALLY AT WHERE THEY CAN GET TO HERE TO MAKE THIS THE BEST? AND THE OTHER THING TOO, IS BECAUSE I KNOW MR. LARRY, YOU MENTIONED, IF YOU KNOW, OFFICE MORE TRAFFIC, I'LL GIVE YOU THAT OVER THE COURSE OF A DAY, BUT NOT AT 7:30 IN THE MORNING. THERE'S NO TRAFFIC EXITING IN OFFICE AT 7:30 IN THE MORNING. IT ELIMINATES THE PROBLEM. SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT. WELL, IF MY OTHER POINT WAS IF I, YOU KNOW, I'M BUYING THE PIECE REGARDLESS. NOW I'M KIND OF I'M PREGNANT WITH IT. SO IF I HAVE TO MAKE MY MONEY BACK DEVELOPING COMMERCIAL ON IT, A HIGH DENSITY COMMERCIAL WHICH IS ALLOWED, YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THAN HAVING 22 HOMES OR 23 HOMES ON THE WHOLE SITE. YEAH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE SPREAD GREATER OVER THE COURSE OF A DAY. WELL, I THINK THE 7:30 TRAFFIC, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY SOLVED BY GOING OUT TO PLAYERS CIRCLE ON THAT. SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. IT'S A REAL AND IT WORKS. I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT, AND I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE MUCH OF AN ISSUE. ON THE SUBJECT OF THE NUMBER OF LOTS, PERSONALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM LOTS IS ALWAYS THE BEST THING TO DO. YOU KNOW, HAVING A LITTLE PROFIT IN A PROJECT TO DO SOME OF THE NICE THINGS, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE OPEN SPACE REAL NICE, YOU KNOW? DO YOU KNOW, I DID A LOT OF WORK WITH PAUL SPAIN, AND HE USED TO SAY, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THESE PROJECTS NICE. THE LAST FEW LOTS, AND I DON'T KNOW ANYONE OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL EVER NOTICE WHETHER THERE'S 25 LOTS OR 23 LOTS OR 22. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT TRYING TO COME IN HERE WITH THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM THING WE'D LIKE TO. WE'D LIKE THIS TO BE NICE, AND HAVING AN EXTRA LARGE OR TWO IS WHAT ALLOWS IT TO BE SOUTHLAKE NICE. SO THAT'S HOW WE APPROACH IT, AND I APOLOGIZE IF CURTIS CUT IT A LITTLE THIN. YOU KNOW, AS A DEVELOPER, YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOUNT FOR 8% INTEREST RATES, WHAT YOU'LL SELL THROUGH AT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, AND BUT I WANT TO YOU KNOW, I WANT TO DO THIS DEAL IN SOUTHLAKE. I HAVE 3 OR 4 SOUTHLAKE BUILDERS ON BOARD. I'M GOING TO BUILD PROBABLY 4 OR 5 OF THEM. I GOT SOUTHLAKE BUILDERS ARE GOING TO BUILD THE OTHER 18-19 HOMES IN HERE. THEY'RE ALL VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. WE HAVE A TON OF DEMAND FOR THIS. $2.5 MILLION PROJECT, 4 TO 4500 SQUARE FOOT HOMES THAT I THINK WILL FEED RIGHT INTO THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND I'M WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, FLEX AS MUCH AS I CAN TO GET EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUMS AND THE OPEN SPACE AND THE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC ON TO PLAYERS CIRCLE TO JUST SAY, HEY, [02:10:04] LET'S YOU KNOW, IF ASSUMING THAT YOU ALL LIKE THE FINAL, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN AGREE ON THAT, HE'LL DRAW IT AND THEN THAT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL BE THE TWO. TWO QUICK THINGS, MAYOR. GO AHEAD. ONE WOULD BE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I OBVIOUSLY I RESPECT COUNCILMEMBER SMITH'S OPINION ON THIS, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DECIDE IS THE GREENSPACE A CRITICAL PIECE FOR US FOR THIS TO GO THROUGH, POTENTIALLY, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU GUYS COME UP WITH, BECAUSE IF NOT, THAT GIVES THEM MORE ROOM TO GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGES WHERE THEY NEED. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT DISMISSING WHAT COUNCILMEMBER SMITH'S SAYING, IT'S JUST SIMPLY SAYING THAT IF THERE'S ENOUGH SUPPORT WITHOUT THAT GREENSPACE IN THE MIDDLE, THEN I THINK IT'S WORTH DISCUSSING. THE OTHER PIECE IS JUST AS A NOTE, I DID ASK OUR POLICE CHIEF ABOUT THE NO U-TURN SIGN RIGHT THERE ON THE MEDIAN, AND THAT ABSOLUTELY CAN BE DONE. THE CONCERN WOULD BE REALLY HOW WELL YOU CAN ENFORCE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND PERHAPS YOU HAVE TO ENFORCE IT FOR A PERIOD SO THAT IT BECOMES KNOWN THAT YOU DON'T MAKE A U-TURN THERE. I WOULD ALSO I DON'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION FROM THE CHIEF, BUT I ASSUME IF IF WE PUT ONE THERE, WE COULD WE COULD PUT ONE THERE WITH TIMES, YOU KNOW, NO. U-TURN, 7 A.M. TO NINE. 9 A.M. OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO. BECAUSE THE U-TURN PIECE BOTHERS ME BECAUSE OF THE TIMES WHEN PEYTONVILLE IS NOT BUSY AND SOMEBODY IS COMING DOWN AND JUST WANTS TO TURN AROUND. I DON'T WANT TO SEND HIM TO A NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN THE, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE STREET. SO I DO THINK THERE'S SOME OPTIONS. I'M NOT THRILLED ABOUT IT. I JUST DON'T WANT CARS TRYING TO TURN RIGHT THERE, BUT IF YOU COULD PUT A NO U-TURN SIGN WITH HOURS OF RESTRICTIONS, IT'S A STARTING POINT, BUT IF YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE JUST PUSHING THEM DOWN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL GO. IF THEY WANT TO DO A U-TURN, THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL GO, AND I STILL BELIEVE THAT IF YOU WANT TO GO LEFT ONTO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, OFF PLAYERS AT THAT TIME IN THE MORNING, IF YOU WANT TO GO TOWARD KELLER, IT IS GOING YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO DO THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, I DO IT ALMOST DAILY AT 2:00 AND I TRAVERSE THE HOBBY LOBBY CENTER, PRAY THAT I CAN MAKE A RIGHT AND GET ALL THE WAY OVER AND TO MAKE A LEFT. SO I THINK YOU'RE MISJUDGING HOW MUCH PLAYERS CIRCLE IS GOING TO TAKE OFF IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A LEFT. SO BUT AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DISCOUNT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUSH THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO A U-TURN DOWN TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I WANT TO ELABORATE OR CLARIFY SOMETHING. MY WANTING THE GREENSPACE IS NOT FORECLOSING ON ANY OPPORTUNITIES AS I UNDERSTAND IT. THIS IS WHAT YOU BROUGHT TO US. YOU OFFERED CLARITY WITH REGARD TO THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. RIGHT. WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. CORRECT, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU JUST SAID YOU COULD GET THERE WITH THE GREENSPACE. IF I REMOVE LOTS. YES. YEAH. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. YES. MY THINKING ON THE GREENSPACE WE HEAR ALL THE TIME IN THIS COMMUNITY, WE DON'T WANT SOUTHLAKE TO LOOK LIKE. I WON'T NAME OTHER COMMUNITIES. THAT'S A REALITY FOR ME. PEOPLE CAN SAY WE VOTED FOR HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS. YES, BUT WHAT GREENSPACE. LOOK AT THE LAST DEVELOPMENT WE VOTED ON. IT HAD A LOT OF GREENSPACE. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. ONE THING WE DID TALK ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT GREENSPACE, IT'S VERY AWKWARD. I MEAN, IT'S GREENSPACE. IT'S A STRAIGHT LINE WITH FENCES ON EITHER SIDE AND IT'S I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT'S MORE THAN 50FT WIDE OR SOMETHING. WELL, I BUILD IN A VERY HIGH END SUBDIVISION IN FORT WORTH CALLED [INAUDIBLE] AND ALL THE WALLS, I MEAN, THERE'S NO WOOD FENCING ALLOWED. IT'S ALL IRON GATES AND YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, YOU KNOW, THE GREENSPA CES FLOW AND EVERYBODY CAN LOOK INTO EVERYBODY'S BACKYARD AND NOBODY HAS. I MEAN, THESE ARE THESE ARE 2 TO $7 MILLION HOMES AND NOBODY HAS AN ISSUE WITH IT, AND IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN HAVING WOOD FENCES THAT OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, DILAPIDATE EVERYBODY STAINS THEM DIFFERENT COLORS, AND YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. I THINK IT'D BE A NICE ADDITION. I LIVE RIGHT BY GREENWAY PARK IN DALLAS, WHICH EVERYBODY'S YARD OPENS UP ONTO A GREENBELT. I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT ADDITION, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING YOU REALLY SEE IN MOST SMALL SUBDIVISIONS IN THE SUBURBS. FAIR ENOUGH. YEAH. IF YOU CAN GET TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND DO THAT. YEAH, WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE, RANDY. YOU KNOW. OKAY. I THINK IT'LL WORK, I REALLY DO. SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CONSENSUS TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCESSIONS AND WANTING TO MAKE THE DEAL TONIGHT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING I HAVEN'T SEEN YET. I'M NOT SURE HOW THE NUMBERS WILL TURN OUT, SO I THINK YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO GO UP OR DOWN ON THIS OR TABLING. GOES DOWN, AND IF YOU NEED TO TURN THAT MICROPHONE OFF TO DISCUSS IT, HAVE AT IT. [02:15:01] CAN WE ASK FOR ANY KIND OF CONSENSUS. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY I MEAN, CAN WE LEGALLY DO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO DO? CAN WE SAY WITH THE RESTRICTIONS OF 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, GREENSPACE, DO IT ALL AND GUARANTEE THAT HAPPENS? I THINK YES, I THINK YOU CAN APPROVE THAT ZONING, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST MAKING IT APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN AS A CONDITION OF THAT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE A SITE PLAN. BEFORE YOU MAY RECALL, ON THE OVERLOOK, WE DID THE SAME THING, AND YES, AND DIDN'T WE SAY WITH A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF LOTS OR SOMETHING. SO IF WE TOOK WELL, WE DON'T CARE HOW MANY. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT NUMBER LOTS. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SIZE OF LOTS, RIGHT? I MEAN I DON'T WANT TO. RIGHT, BUT WE COULD DO SIZE AND NUMBER AND THEN THAT WOULD GUARANTEE THAT THEY MADE THEM BIGGER. SURE, AND I THINK WE'VE STATED TONIGHT OR SEVERAL OF US HAVE STATED THE 10,000 IS NOT MY ISSUE ANYMORE. IT'S THE 0.46 TO 0.56 ON INDIAN PAINTBRUSH. SO I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH 10,000, GO AHEAD, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS YOUR YOUR CALCULUS HERE, BUT THE NUMBERS DON'T WORK AT HALF ACRE OKAY. WELL THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM. IT REALLY ISN'T. WELL DON'T BUILD IT THEN. DON'T BUY IT I MEAN. SO YOU CAN TABLE OR WE CAN VOTE. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE ON SOME HYBRID PROJECT, THEN GO FOR IT, BUT THAT'S WE GOT SEVEN PEOPLE HERE. WE'LL JUST VOTE, AND IF WE NEED AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, I'M FINE WITH THAT TOO, BUT I THINK WE'VE BEEN GIVEN WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW. I MEAN, TO KEEP THE GREENSPACE, AND IF I PUSHED INTO THE COMMERCIAL A LITTLE MORE ON THE NORTH SIDE, IF I PUSH IN THE COMMERCIAL AND I LOST A COUPLE LOTS, I COULD GET THAT 10,000 PLUS SQUARE FOOTAGE LOTS AND KEEP THE GREENSPACE. YEAH. I MEAN, IF POSSIBLE, IF THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME SUPPORT FOR THAT, KEEPING THE GREENSPACE AND DOING 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, IF WE COULD MAYBE GET A MOTION AND SEE IF THAT GETS A MAJORITY OF YOU AND IF NOT, THEN WE CAN TABLE OR OR GO. IF WE VOTE UP OR DOWN. THEN THAT'S IT. UNLESS THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYS WE CAN REVISIT IT AND TABLE IT AGAIN AFTER WE VOTED, WE CAN RESCIND THE VOTE IF IT DOESN'T WORK. WELL, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. IT WOULD BE A VOTE IN FAVOR. IF IT DOESN'T PASS, THEN WE'RE WE'VE GONE NOWHERE. IF IT DOESN'T PASS THIS THE SECOND READING, HE'S SAYING WE HAVE TO RESCIND THE VOTE OR IT'S A NO VOTE AND YOU LOSE, BUT WE CAN DO THAT, RIGHT? YOU CAN RESCIND YOUR VOTE. YES. IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, AS YOU'VE DONE BEFORE. LET ME ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION. THE CITY ATTORNEY TYPICALLY A SITE PLAN IS BASICALLY MINISTERIAL IN NATURE. IS THERE A WAY IF WE CRAFTED A MOTION WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THE SITE PLAN WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THAT IT WE HAVE MORE TEETH THAN JUST MINISTERIAL AT THAT POINT BECAUSE I'M NOT SO SURE WE DO. MEANING IF NO MATTER WHAT CAME BACK IN. IF IT'S 10,000FT² AND THE GREENSPACE IS THERE, YOU'RE MINISTERIALLY APPROVING IT. I THINK THAT'S THE MAYOR'S CONCERN. MAYOR PRO TEM, AT THIS TIME, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CALL FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. [2. A. Executive Session (Part 2 of 2)] SO, AS MAYOR, I HEREBY ADVISE YOU THAT WE'RE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND WE'LL BE BACK IN JUST A FEW MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ALL BACK. I'LL CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER. [2.B. Reconvene (Part 2 of 2)] I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ACTION NECESSARY OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. COUNCIL, ANY MORE COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS. A LOT OF DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS, A LOT OF DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS, I GUESS. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S UP TO YOU AS THE APPLICANT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO TABLE I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO ON A VOTE. UP OR DOWN OR A VOTE ON SOME SORT OF HYBRID THAT HASN'T BEEN SEEN TONIGHT. I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR ANYTHING THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN. SO IT'S UP TO YOU. I MEAN, YOU'VE HEARD DIFFERENT THINGS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE UP HERE, AND I RESPECT EVERYONE'S OPINION, I REALLY DO. THESE PEOPLE WERE ELECTED REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE ULTIMATE VOTE IS, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING I HAVEN'T SEEN. I THINK I'VE MADE MY POSITION CLEAR ON WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IN THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO PUSH IT TO A VOTE OR TABLE IT FOR FIVE WEEKS. I THINK YOUR MICROPHONE IS OFF. OH, THERE YOU GO. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. PERHAPS IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF A MOTION IS MADE TO APPROVE SOMETHING WITH CERTAIN CONDITIONS AND THAT MOTION IS NOT VOTED FOR BY A MAJORITY, THEN THE MOTION FAILS AND NOTHING'S HAPPENED. [02:20:08] IT'S THAT'S NOT A DENIAL VOTE. THAT'S JUST THE MOTION FOR IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED. IT IS, AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT IS WE HAVE SOME IDEAS HERE. WE HAVE AN OFFER AND THAT PERHAPS THERE'S FOUR VOTES FOR THAT, PERHAPS NOT, BUT WE COULD AT LEAST TRY IT TO GIVE US DIRECTION, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND BRING A SITE PLAN THAT DOES THAT LATER. IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE DECIDING TO REQUEST A TABLE, BUT I MEAN, AM I WRONG WITH THAT? NO, THAT IS CORRECT. SO IT IF, AS COUNCIL IS AWARE, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO DO YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS. VOTE TO APPROVE, VOTE WITH VOTE TO WELL SEVERAL OPTIONS VOTE TO APPROVE, VOTE TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. VOTE TO DENY OR TABLE IT. IF THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE OR A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, THEN THAT MOTION FAILS. THERE ARE STILL OPTIONS TO MAKE THOSE OTHER MOTIONS. THANK YOU. WELL, I MEAN, CURTIS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HELPS. I ALIGN TO THE MAYOR AS FAR AS WANTING TO SEE A PLAN. SO WHATEVER MATH YOU'VE DONE, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE HEARING, THAT'S UP TO YOU BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN, MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE PROVING SOMETHING I HAVEN'T SEEN. NOW, IS THE GENERAL FEELING AMONGST THE COUNCIL? ABSENT THE MAYOR, THAT IS, IF WE GET A PLAN THAT HAS GREENSPACE AND MINIMUM 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT SIZES, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL COULD GET BEHIND? I THINK YOU HAVE A SPLIT VOTE. I'M JUST GOING TO BE REAL HONEST WITH YOU. I MEAN, JUST ME READING THE ROOM AND KNOWING WHO I SERVE WITH, YOU HAVE A VERY SPLIT VOTE. I THINK THINK BEING THE OPERATIVE WORD THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, THAT IF YOU GOT LOWER DENSITY, MORE GREENSPACE, KEPT THE GREENSPACE THAT'S THERE. THERE IS SOME CONTROVERSY WHETHER THE GREENSPACE IN THE MIDDLE IS GOOD OR NOT GOOD, I LIKE IT, I THINK IT ADDS CHARACTER. I THINK YOUR PROBLEM WAS NOT COMING BACK TONIGHT WITH 1 OR 2 LESS LOTS AND GETTING THAT MINIMUM 10,000. SO WE FELT LIKE YOU WERE ALREADY AT THE BOTTOM WITH THE 25 TWO WEEKS AGO, AND NOW WE CAME BACK WITH 25. SO I THINK THAT GAVE SOME PEOPLE UP HERE SOME HEARTBURN. LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE, IT IS WE WANT IT DEVELOPED. I THINK IT MEETS OUR CURRENT LAND USE PLAN. I'M NOT SUPER CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, AND GIVEN THAT IT'S BACKING UP TO ALL THAT OTHER STUFF ON PLAYERS CIRCLE, I THINK IT FITS. OF COURSE I WANT LESS DENSITY, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE UP HERE. SO ME PERSONALLY, IF YOU CAN SLICE OUT A COUPLE OF LOTS, KEEP THE GREENSPACE, I COULD GET BEHIND IT. I ALSO DO WANT TO SEE IT. IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US TO SIT UP HERE AND GIVE YOU A YES VOTE WITH CONDITIONS, BECAUSE YOU COULD THEN GIVE US SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN TWO WEEKS, AND SO AS A FIDUCIARY DUTY TO THE CITIZENS, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I KNOW THAT IT CAUSES YOU SOME HEARTBURN FINANCIALLY. YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT. I MEAN, WE'RE SORRY, BUT I THINK THAT I THINK WE COULD GET HERE. THAT'S JUST ME READING THE ROOM. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. YEAH, I AGREE. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER LEPP AND I HATE THAT IT'S DECEMBER. I WISH WE'D COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS. THERE'S NOTHING. NOTHING. WE CAN'T AVOID THAT. OKAY, THEN WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST A TABLE, AND YOU KNOW IF I CAN. I KNOW HOLIDAYS ARE COMING UP AND STUFF, BUT IF I CAN IMPOSE ON THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WILLING TO MAYBE GET WITH US AND TRY AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE OPTIONS AND, AND SO WE CAN COME BACK. I THOUGHT I WAS BRINGING BACK SOMETHING THAT YOU LIKED, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT CHANGED, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE TALKED TO ALL OF YOU IN IN BETWEEN. I DIDN'T TALK TO ALL OF YOU, BUT AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY OBVIOUSLY, JUST WANT TO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATE IS. SIXTH. SIXTH, SEVENTH. I'M HEARING DIFFERENT NUMBERS. SEVENTH. SORRY. SEVENTH. SEVENTH. LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR. WRONG. JANUARY 7TH. WOULD WOULD YOU PREFER WE COME BACK WITH GREENSPACE PLAN AND BIGGER LOTS OR NO GREENSPA CE? I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO TRY TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE SO WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER EPISODE LIKE TONIGHT. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE SAID, I THINK PREVIOUSLY IN THIS CASE AND A LOT OF OTHER CASES, THE MORE OPTIONS THE BETTER. SO IF YOU WANT TO BRING ONE BACK WITH GREENSPACE IN THE MIDDLE WITH AN OPTION, WITH NO GREENSPACE IN THE MIDDLE. [02:25:04] WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PRESENT TO US, I THINK MORE OPTIONS ARE BETTER THAN LESS OPTIONS. AS A RULE OF THUMB, I KNOW THAT'S MORE WORK FOR MR. YOUNG OVER THE HOLIDAYS, BUT HE'S VERY GOOD AT HIS JOB. THAT'S WHAT I DO. SO THERE'S NO LIMIT ON HOW MANY OPTIONS YOU PRESENT US, IF THAT'S HELPFUL. RIGHT. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S WILLINGNESS TO TRY TO WORK ON SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MEETS A MIDDLE GROUND AND CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK FOR EVERYBODY, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME TONIGHT, AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND YOU'RE IN A VERY CHALLENGING LITTLE SPOT RIGHT THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETING VARIABLES FOR US TO CONSIDER. SO IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE A WONDERFUL DEVELOPMENT AND BE SUCCESSFUL I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, I TRUST ME. I'VE DONE ENOUGH OF THESE DEALS. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF MITIGATING FACTORS. NEIGHBORS AND YOU KNOW, CITY AND I GET IT ALL. YEAH WE APPRECIATE THAT. SO TABLE TO JANUARY 7TH, 2025? YES, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. MAYOR I'M JUST GOING TO ASK ONE LAST QUESTION. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OF CHIEF CASEY, AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GET UP AND GIVE US A HEAD NOD, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AND I TALKED. I SHARED ABOUT THAT. WE CAN PUT A U-TURN SIGN THERE AT THAT MEDIAN. THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ENFORCEMENT AND HOW EFFECTIVE THEY ARE SOMETIMES. I WANT TO BE SURE, THOUGH. WE COULD ALSO PUT A U-TURN SIGN WITH OURS. CORRECT. NO U-TURN BETWEEN OURS OF BLANK AND BLANK. WOULD THAT BE WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO DO THAT? YES. YOU COULD. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION TO TABLE TO JANUARY 7TH. YES, MAYOR. COUNCIL. I MOVE THAT WE THAT WE. TABLE ITEM SIX A ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-825, ZA24-0059, SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CARROLL CROSSING TO THE FIRST MEETING OF JANUARY, JAN. 7TH, 2025. WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM SIX A, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES ON A MOTION TO TABLE AND THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THIS ITEM IS TABLED TO JANUARY 7TH, 2025. WE'LL SEE YOU THEN. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. NEXT YEAR. NEXT UP IS ITEM SIX B. RESOLUTION NO. 24-043, ZA24-0063, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL SCHOOL FOR CORE MOVES PERFORMANCE. [6.B. Resolution No. 24-043, ZA24-0063, Specific Use Permit for a Commercial School for Core Moves Performance on property described as Lot 3, Block A, Hart Industrial Park, and located at 1602 Hart St., Suite 202, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: “l-1” Light Industrial District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING ] LOCATED ON HART STREET. DIRECTOR. KILLOUGH. THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1602 HART STREET AND WOULD BE IN SUITE 202. SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THIS FACILITY. THE REQUEST IS FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL SCHOOL TRAINING FACILITY FOR CORE MOVES PERFORMANCE, WHICH PROVIDES PILATES CLASSES AND FUNCTIONAL MOVEMENT CENTRIC TRAINING FOR CLASSES UP TO SIX INDIVIDUALS AND ALSO ONE ON ONE TRAINING, ALL BY APPOINTMENT. THIS IS THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH SHOWING GENERAL LOCATION. THIS IS BRUMLOW AVENUE TO THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN AND HART STREET TO THE SOUTH. THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS INDUSTRIAL ZONING IS I-1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND THIS IS A SITE LOCATION EXHIBIT PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT AND THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING THIS TENANT WOULD OCCUPY. THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN OF THAT. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 3750FT², AND NARRATIVE. AS I MENTIONED, THESE ARE PLOT TYPE CLASSES. THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE 8 TO 6 MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY AND CLASS SIZES WOULD WOULD BE SIX OR LESS WITH TWO EMPLOYEES PRESENT. BEING A TRAINER AND OR OWNER. THIS IS A STREET VIEW FROM HEART, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOUR ZERO SUBJECT TO THE TERM OF THE TENANT'S LEASE FOR THIS SPACE. ONCE THAT LEASE ENDED, THEIR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THE USE WOULD TERMINATE, AND WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM OUR NOTIFICATION AREA OR OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM SIX B? SEEING NONE, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THANK YOU. COME ON DOWN. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION? ALL GOOD, ALL GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK IT'S GOING ALL RIGHT. [02:30:01] THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, AND THANK YOU FOR WAITING AROUND. ITEM SIX B REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM SIX B. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM SIX B? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. YES, MAYOR. COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. ITEM SIX, B RESOLUTION NO. 24-043, ZA24-0063, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL SCHOOL FOR CORE MOVES PERFORMANCE ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT THREE BLOCK, A HARD INDUSTRIAL PARK AND LOCATED AT 1602 HART STREET, SUITE 202, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 25TH, 2024 AND REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED NOVEMBER 15TH, 2024, AND NOTING THAT WITH THIS, WE'RE APPROVING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL SCHOOL AS PRESENTED, SUBJECT TO THE TERM OF THE PRIMARY LEASE AND ANY EXTENSIONS EXERCISED BY THE TENANT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM SIX B. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. IT'S APPROVED. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND. NEXT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ITEM SIX C AND SIX D TOGETHER. [Items 6.C. & 6.D.] SIX C IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 836. A SECOND READING AND AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 9.5, ARTICLE THREE OF THE TEXAS OF THE SOUTHLAKE CITY CODE UPDATING THE INDUSTRIAL WASTEWATER PRETREATMENT PROGRAM, AND ALSO ITEM SIX D IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-045, SUPPORTING THE FUNDING, IMPLEMENTATION, AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE WASTEWATER PRETREATMENT PROGRAM THAT IS INTERCONNECTED TO THE CENTRAL REGIONAL WASTEWATER SYSTEM, OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY. DIRECTOR COHEN. YES, SIR. IT'S ALL YOURS. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. I'LL BE PRESENTING ITEM SIX, C AND 6D TONIGHT. 6C IS THE ORDINANCE. ACTUALLY, WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT ESTABLISHES REGULATORY LIMITS ON WHAT INDUSTRY USERS CAN PUT INTO OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM THAT'S REGULATED, REGULATED BY OUR TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION SYSTEM PERMIT, AND OUR PERMIT HAS TO BE EITHER EQUAL TO OR MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY'S, AND TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY IS THE ONE THAT ACCEPTS OUR EFFLUENT, TREATS IT, AND THEN DUMPS IT OUT FOR STORMWATER. THE TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY HAS BASICALLY INCREASED THE REQUIREMENTS OR CHANGED THEIR REQUIREMENTS WERE STRINGENT. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, SORRY, THIS IS ON AN AUTO TIME IS TO BASICALLY MATCH THEIR REQUIREMENTS OR THEIR LIMITS ON WHAT THE EFFLUENT CAN CONTAIN. THE SECOND ITEM IS A RESOLUTION IS BASICALLY JUST PROVIDING OR BRINGING FORTH ENFORCEMENT REQUIREMENTS, ADDITIONAL FUNDING ITEMS, AND OTHER ANCILLARY ELEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD FROM COUNCILMEMBER SHARLI WAS WHETHER WE COULD PASS ALONG THE COST OF THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE PROGRAM TO THE INDUSTRY BUSINESS, AND WE CAN, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME WAS TO GO AHEAD AND WORK THIS PROCESS FIRST. IF IT'S APPROVED, THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT POSSIBLY UPDATING THE FEE SCHEDULE AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE. SO THE TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY ACCEPTS OUR EFFLUENT, OUR WASTEWATER. IT BASICALLY HAS TWO SPECIFIC TREATMENT PLANTS. ONE IS CENTRAL. THE CENTRAL IS BASICALLY IN THE LOWER PART OF THE CITY OR OUR SOUTHERN BASINS. THE DENTON CREEK WASTEWATER FACILITY IS TO THE NORTH, AND THAT BASICALLY IS IDENTIFIED IN THE GREEN. THIS MOTION ONLY PERTAINS TO THE CR, THE CENTRAL RIVER. I'M SORRY, CENTRAL RIVER WASTEWATER SYSTEM PORTION OF THE TRA SYSTEM. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE NORTHERN PART. THOUGH THE PRETREATMENT PROGRAM TIMELINE. SO WHAT TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY DID WAS THEY EVALUATED THE EFFLUENT THAT ACTUALLY IS GOING INTO THEIR PLANT AND ALSO WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BASICALLY DISCHARGE OUT AS STORMWATER, AND THEY IDENTIFIED SEVERAL CONTAMINANTS OR SEVERAL ELEMENTS THAT THEY CHOSE OR BELIEVE THAT ARE AN EXCEEDING OF WHAT THEIR PERMIT ALLOWS. THEREFORE, THEY'RE BEING MORE RESTRICTIVE ON WHAT THEIR PLANT CAN RECEIVE AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE TIMELINE FROM 2021 TO 2024 OF WORKING WITH THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. SORRY, THIS IS ON A TIMER BASICALLY TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. SO BASICALLY, AS A CUSTOMER CITY, AS WE ARE A CUSTOMER TO THE TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY, WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IS AUTHORIZE THE PROGRAM CHANGES THROUGH AN ATTORNEY, A STATEMENT THAT'S PART OF THE PACKET, MAKE THE CHANGES AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. THAT'S WHAT THIS DOES ALREADY IS WITH THE MOTION AND THE PUBLIC FORUM. PASSED THE PROGRAM THROUGH COUNCIL, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING NOT ONLY THE ORDINANCE BUT THE RESOLUTION, AND THEN WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THIS DOCUMENTATION TO THE TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY IN FY 25. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY SPECIFIC COSTS RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T HAVE ANY INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES THAT DO FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY. THE ONLY BUSINESS WE'VE HAD WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO WITH THE SPREE. HOWEVER, IF A BUSINESS DOES COME IN, THEY ARE CHARGED A $300 ANNUAL FEE FOR PERMITTING, AND THEN IT WOULD COST POSSIBLY UP TO $1,200 FOR THE CITY, AND THAT'S ONE OF [02:35:10] THOSE ITEMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, POSSIBLY REVISING THE FEE SCHEDULE TO PASS THAT COST ALSO ONTO THE BUSINESS. THIS ITEM BASICALLY MATCHES THE STRATEGY MAP AS YOU SEE OUTLINED BEFORE YOU. THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR COHAN, ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. I THINK YOU ANSWERED THEM ALL. YES, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU SIR. THESE ITEMS REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS, HEARING. SO I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM SIX C AND SIX D. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ITEM SIX C OR SIX D? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL. ANY DISCUSSION ON SIX C OR 60. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE NEED SEPARATE MOTIONS ON SIX C AND 60. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON. YES. MAYOR AND COUNCIL I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM SIX C ORDINANCE NUMBER 836-A SECOND READING AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 9.5, ARTICLE THREE OF THE SOUTHLAKE CITY CODE UPDATING THE INDUSTRIAL WASTEWATER PRETREATMENT PROGRAM, NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 9.5, ARTICLE THREE OF THE SOUTHLAKE CITY CODE UPDATING UPDATING THE INDUSTRIAL WASTEWATER PRETREATMENT PROGRAM. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THAT APPROVES ITEM SIX C. NOW MOTION ON SIX D. YES. MAYOR AND COUNCIL I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. ITEM SIX D RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-045 SUPPORTING THE FUNDING, IMPLEMENTATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE WASTEWATER PRETREATMENT PROGRAM THAT IS INTERCONNECTED TO THE CENTRAL REGIONAL WASTEWATER SYSTEM, OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY. NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-045, SUPPORTING THE FUNDING, IMPLEMENTATION, AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE WASTEWATER PRETREATMENT PROGRAM. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES, AND ITEM 6D IS APPROVED SEVEN ZERO. THAT MOTION CARRIES. NEXT IS ITEM SIX E ORDINANCE NUMBER 1228C SECOND READING AMENDING ARTICLE FIVE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES OF CHAPTER [6.E. Ordinance No. 1228C, 2" Reading, Amending Article “Boards, Commissions and Committees,” of Chapter 2, “Administration” to renumber Chapter 2, Article V and create the Advisory Commission on Persons with V, Disabilities; providing that this ordinance shall be cumulative of all ordinances; providing a severability clause; provided a savings clause; providing for publication as required by law; and providing an effective date. PUBLIC HEARING ] TWO ADMINISTRATION TO RENUMBER CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE FIVE AND CREATE THE ADVISORY COMMISSION ON PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES. MALENKA LOPEZ, COME ON DOWN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. TODAY I AM PRESENTING ORDINANCE 1228 C AND WE ARE ASKING FOR CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL TO AMEND ORDINANCE 1228C TO CREATE THE ADVISORY COMMISSION ON PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION. CITY COUNCIL HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN CREATING THIS ADVISORY COMMISSION, AND DIRECTOR MILLER PRESENTED A OUTLINING FRAMEWORK OF HOW THIS COMMISSION COULD LOOK LIKE AND ITS GOALS AND VISION FOR THIS COMMISSION BACK IN THE OCTOBER CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND WE TOOK THE FEEDBACK FROM THAT PRESENTATION AND INCORPORATED IT INTO THIS ORDINANCE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. SO ORDINANCE 1228 PREVIOUSLY B, NOW C IS THE GUIDING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY'S BOARDS AND COMMISSION PROGRAM, AND THE MAIN CHANGE TO IT FOR TONIGHT WOULD BE DIVISION 21, WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE CREATION OF THE ADVISORY COMMISSION ON PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES, AND I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE SECTIONS WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS AMENDING. SO THE FIRST SECTION IS THE CREATION OF THE ADVISORY COMMISSION ON PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES. THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMISSION WOULD BE TO ACT AS AN ADVISORY BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL, OFFERING POLICY GUIDANCE INFORMED BY THE EXPERIENCES AND INSIGHTS OF RESIDENTS WITH DISABILITIES, WITH THE GOAL AND VISION TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS BY ADVOCATING FOR EQUITABLE OPPORTUNITIES, PROMOTING AWARENESS AND ENSURING THAT SOUTHLAKE IS A WELCOMING AND ACCESSIBLE CITY FOR EVERYONE. THIS NEXT SECTION OUTLINES HOW THIS BOARD WOULD BE FRAMED, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT FOLLOWS THE SAME STRUCTURE AS ALL OF OUR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS. WITH SEVEN REGULAR MEMBERS AND AN OPTION FOR UP TO TWO ALTERNATES, AND IT WILL ALSO FOLLOW THE ALTERNATE APPOINTMENT SCHEDULE WITH THOSE APPOINTED TO PLACES ONE, THREE, FIVE AND SEVEN, AND ALTERNATE ONE BEING APPOINTED FOR A TWO YEAR TERM INITIALLY, AND INDIVIDUALS APPOINTED TO THE EVEN NUMBERS TWO, FOUR, SIX, AND ALTERNATE TWO WILL BE APPOINTED FOR A ONE YEAR TERM. THIS IS JUST FOR THE FIRST ONE SINCE IT'S A NEW CREATION IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR THAT, FOR THERE NOT TO BE A LOSS OF KNOWLEDGE WHEN THOSE TERMS EXPIRE FOR THE FIRST TIME. SIMILARLY TO OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, CITY COUNCIL WOULD APPOINT THE CHAIR AND THE MEMBERS WOULD ELECT A VICE CHAIR AND A SECRETARY, AS WELL AS HAVING ONE OF THEIR FIRST GOALS TO BE TO ADOPT A BYLAWS THAT GOVERN HOW THEY WILL HOLD THEIR MEETINGS, AND ONCE THEY HAVE THOSE BYLAWS, THEY WILL BE OPERATING UNDER THEM, AND [02:40:02] HERE WE GO INTO THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, AND AS YOU MAY RECALL FROM DIRECTOR MILLER'S PRESENTATION IN OCTOBER, HE OUTLINED THREE MAIN GOALS. SO I'LL GO FOR A SLIDE FOR EACH ONE. THE FIRST ONE IS COMMUNITY EDUCATION. SO SOME OF THE WORK THAT THIS ADVISORY COMMISSION WOULD DO WOULD BE TO SHOWCASE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES THROUGH A CITY COMMUNICATION PLATFORMS, IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES FOR ACCOMMODATIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS, AND IDENTIFY AND EVALUATE NEW RESOURCES THAT ENHANCE PUBLIC AWARENESS AND PROMOTE GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF THE NEEDS OF INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES. THE NEXT GOAL WOULD BE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT ACTIVE PARTICIPATION OF INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES, AND THIS CAN BE DONE THROUGH PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEW RECREATIONAL ADAPTIVE PROGRAMING, WHILE ALSO PROVIDING FEEDBACK ON OUR CURRENT PROGRAMING AND RECOMMENDING IMPROVEMENTS FOR HOW WE CAN INCREASE THOSE SERVICES, AND THEN ALSO IDENTIFYING AND EVALUATING POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS THAT COULD INCREASE OUR SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL, AND FINALLY, THE THIRD GOAL WOULD BE TO KEEP AN EYE ON ACCESSIBILITY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE ALL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS, REGARDLESS OF ABILITY, CAN PARTICIPATE IN AND BENEFIT FROM ALL OF OUR SERVICES. WITH AN EYE ON ENHANCING ACCESSIBILITY TO OUR CITY'S PARK AND MOBILITY SYSTEMS, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THAT MAY PRESENT BARRIERS TO INCLUSION SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THEM BETTER FOR EVERYONE. AS ALWAYS, THIS IS TIED TO THE CITY STRATEGY MAP, WITH THE FOCUS AREAS ON PARTNERSHIPS AND VOLUNTEERISM AND PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT AND SERVICE DELIVERY. THIS WAS FIRST REVIEWED BY THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THE NOVEMBER 19TH MEETING, AND IS HERE FOR A SECOND READING TODAY. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT GREAT PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. LET'S SEE. DOES THAT REQUIRE. IT DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. ITEM SIX E REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM SIX E. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM SIX E. GREAT WORK TEAM, THIS LOOKS FANTASTIC. DIRECTOR MILLER AND EVERYONE ON YOUR TEAM AND WHOEVER ELSE HAS PARTICIPATED. THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE SPECIAL. I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH FOLKS AT CISD. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE MORE THAN 10% OF THE POPULATION, HAVE KIDS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED WITH DIFFERENT DISABILITIES, AND THEY'RE ANXIOUS TO PARTNER WITH US ON THIS AND PARTICIPATE, AND ALSO COLLEAGUES AT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY GOING TO SHOW OUR COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER AT ITS BEST. SO THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERSHIP ON THIS. THIS IS FANTASTIC WORK. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY DISCUSSION COUNCIL BEFORE MOTION. NO I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THIS IS AN AWESOME THING TO HAVE IN THE CITY. I LOVE FINDING WAYS TO GET PEOPLE INVOLVED IN SUCH A VIBRANT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO YEAH, I LOVE THAT. YEAH. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, IT'S ALL YOURS. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. ITEM SIX E ORDINANCE NUMBER 1228C SECOND READING AMENDING ARTICLE FIVE BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES OF CHAPTER TWO ADMINISTRATION TO RENUMBER CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE FIVE AND CREATE THE ADVISORY COMMISSION ON PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES, PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BE CUMULATIVE OF ALL ORDINANCES. PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. PROVIDING A SAVINGS CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR PUBLICATION AS REQUIRED BY LAW, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. ITEM SIX E IS APPROVED. NEXT UP IS ITEM SIX F ORDINANCE NUMBER 486-657F CASE NUMBER ZA24-0056. [6.F. Ordinance No. 480-657F, ZA24-0056, 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Site Plan for The Elmore by Marriott (currently known as The Southlake Hotel) on property described as Kimball Park Addition and located at 2102 - 2116 E. State Highway 114, Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. Proposed Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #4. PUBLIC HEARING ] SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR THE ELMORE BY MARRIOTT, CURRENTLY KNOWN AS THE SOUTHLAKE HOTEL. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. THANK YOU. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. THE OVERALL PROPERTY OF KIMBALL PARK IS LOCATED AT 2102 AND 2116 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114. THIS IS ALL CURRENTLY ZONED S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT. THE SPECIFIC REQUEST IS TO MODIFY THE EXTERIOR BUILDING APPEARANCE, APPEARANCE, AND ADD A SCREENING STRUCTURE AT THE ENTRY OF THE HOTEL FOR ITS REMODEL THAT'S UNDERGOING, THAT IS UNDERGOING RIGHT NOW FOR THE FUTURE ELMORE MARRIOTT PRODUCT. LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. MIXED USE ON THE PROPERTY, AS I MENTIONED, OVERALL ZONING IS S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT AND THIS REQUEST ONLY AMENDS THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOTEL SITE. THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN AND THE PRIMARY RENDERING HERE IS FOR THE NEW APPEARANCE. THE UPPER LEFT IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY APPEARS AS, AND THESE COLOR THEMES WERE PART OF THE ORIGINAL ZONING AND THAT IS WHY THIS REQUEST IS BEFORE YOU AS A ZONING CHANGE. [02:45:07] THESE ARE THE SPECIFIC ELEVATIONS OF EACH OF THE FACADES, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES FROM THE NOTIFICATION AREA OR ANY ANY RESPONSES FROM OUTSIDE THE NOTICE AREA. THE ITEM WAS FIRST TABLED AT THE 17TH MEETING TO ADDRESS A NOTIFICATION PROBLEM THAT WE ENCOUNTERED. IT WAS HEARD IN PUBLIC HEARING HELD ON NOVEMBER 7TH AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, FOR WHICH THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SIX ZERO, AND THIS ITEM WAS APPROVED AT YOUR NOVEMBER 19TH MEETING. FIRST READING ON CONSENT. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING TO ADD? NOTHING ELSE TO ADD. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS. APPRECIATE IT. WE MAY CALL UPON YOU ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS WHILE THEY'RE HERE. IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD SIGN. ANY DISCUSSION, COUNCIL? ITEM SIX F REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM SIX F. DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM SIX F? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION ON SIX F. YES, MAYOR. COUNCIL. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. ITEM SIX F ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-657F ZA24-0056. SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR THE ELMORE BY MARRIOTT, CURRENTLY KNOWN AS THE SOUTHLAKE HOTEL ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS KIMBALL PARK EDITION AND LOCATED AT 2102 THROUGH 2116 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 25TH, 2024 AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED OCTOBER 11TH, 2024, AND NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN FROM S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT TO S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN PLANNED DISTRICT AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THE ITEM IS APPROVED. CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK. LOOK FORWARD TO THE RIBBON CUTTING. NEXT IS ITEM SEVEN A. ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-826. [7.A. Ordinance No. 480-826, ZA24-0064, 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for Dakota’s on property described as Lot 1R1R2, Block 1, Sabre Group Campus Addition, and located at 1901 W. Kirkwood Blvd., Southlake, Texas. Current Zoning: “NRPUD” Non-Residential Planned Unit Development. Requested Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #1. ] CASE NUMBER ZA24-0064 FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR DAKOTA'S. IS THIS FIRST? YEAH, FIRST READING. ON PROPERTY AT 1901 WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS A REQUEST TO. CHANGE ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY FROM NON RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT TO ACCOMMODATE AS A PRINCIPAL USE OF DAKOTA'S STEAKHOUSE RESTAURANT. IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE AN EVENT CENTER AND SOME SMALL NICHE RETAIL UNITS. THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SITE. LAND USE OR CURRENT ZONING IS AS I MENTIONED. NONRESIDENTIAL. PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS IS MIXED USE, AND THIS PROPERTY ALSO HAS AN OPTIONAL LAND USE OVERLAY OF A RESTAURANT SPECIALTY RETAIL OVERLAY. THAT SPECIALTY RETAIL OVERLAY IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE A CONCENTRATION OF UNIQUE RESTAURANTS AND SPECIALTY RETAIL THAT MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE BE LOCATED WITHIN SOUTHLAKE, AND ALSO KIND OF SERVES AS A INCUBATOR OF SUCH FOR SALONS AND SPECIALTY RETAIL. THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN. YOU MAY RECALL THIS SIMILAR PLAN CAME FORWARD WITH A SITE ON NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, AND THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. THE ADDITION TO THAT IS THE PROPOSED NICHE RETAIL SALON TYPE USES THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS THIS AREA OF THE PROPERTY. THEY AVERAGE ROUGHLY FROM 15,000 TO 4000 SQUARE FOOT SMALL RETAIL UNITS, AND THEY'RE IDENTIFYING FIVE OF THOSE PAD SITES HERE. THE EVENT SPACE WOULD INCLUDE TWO UP TO 200 SEATS AND THE RESTAURANT UP TO 250 SEATS. THIS IS THE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN, AND THESE ARE RENDERINGS [02:50:06] OF THE SITE. THIS IS THE DAKOTA'S RESTAURANT RENDERINGS, AND THESE ARE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS OF ARCHITECTURE FOR THE SPECIALTY RETAIL, AND A NIGHT VIEW OF THE SITE. THESE ARE SOME STREET VIEWS. THIS IS LOOKING SOUTHBOUND ON KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD TOWARDS 114, AND A VIEW LOOKING IN AN EASTERLY DIRECTION AT THE INTERSECTION OF 114 AND KIRKWOOD, AND THIS IS A WESTERLY NORTH VIEW ALONG THE 114 FRONTAGE TOWARDS THE BARRIO SPACE FACILITY ALONG THE FRONTAGE AND THIS IS SOUTH EASTERLY. LOOK ALONG 114 FRONTAGE ROAD THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM THE NOTIFICATION WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION OR OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION OF ANY OF THESE FACILITIES. THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL WOULD BE REQUIRED BY CITY COUNCIL FOLLOWING A RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS AT THEIR NOVEMBER 21ST MEETING FOR FOUR ZERO, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. ARE WE CONSIDERING THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE FULL CORNER THAT YOU SHOWED RIGHT THERE, OR ARE WE CONSIDERING JUST THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR DAKOTA'S? WHAT ARE WE CONSIDERING EXACTLY? THEY ARE REQUESTING CONSIDERATION OF THE FULL CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE WHOLE INCLUDES THE RESTAURANT, THE EVENT CENTER, AND THE SPECIALTY RETAIL, AND THEN THE SPECIFIC PIECE ON DAKOTA'S, I GUESS IS PART OF THE CONCEPT APPROVAL. I MEAN, NORMALLY WE WOULD JUST APPROVE A CONCEPT PLAN FOR A FULL CORNER AND THEN TYPICALLY IN A LOT OF CASES WHERE A SITE IS KNOWN AS TO THE EXACTNESS OF ITS CONSTRUCTION, YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERING MAYBE A SITE PLAN SLASH CONCEPT PLAN. IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A CONCEPT PLAN WHOLLY ON THE SITE. THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE USES AND REGULATIONS THAT WERE DEVELOPED BY AND ANY PRIOR TO ANY CONSTRUCTION OF ANY OF THESE, INCLUDING THE RESTAURANT, IT WILL BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR A SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT WOULD GO TO P&Z FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. THEY WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT REVIEW. IT'S CONSISTENCY WITH THIS CONCEPT PLAN AND THE ZONING IN PLACE AND THEN COME TO COUNCIL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. SO THIS IS BASICALLY JUST A MORE IT'S MORE IT'S A MORE COMPREHENSIVE CONCEPT PLAN BECAUSE WE HAVE SPECIFICS OF THE ANCHOR RESTAURANT. THAT'S THE IDEA. CORRECT. OKAY. EVERYTHING THEY BRING FORWARD AND SITE PLAN WILL NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THIS CONCEPT. PLAN THE RENDERINGS AND THEN THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED. THANK YOU. CERTAINLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? THANK YOU SIR. WELCOME BACK. YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? FEELS LIKE WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. YOU HAVE. YOU HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. WHY DON'T YOU COME ON DOWN? LET'S GET A COUPLE QUESTIONS. YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TONIGHT. YOU KNOW THE DRILL. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN GO AHEAD. TIM MCINNERNY, 4317 LARCHMONT UNIVERSITY PARK, DALLAS, TEXAS. WELL WELCOME BACK. WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THINGS DIDN'T WORK OUT ON THE KIMBALL AVENUE SITE, BUT PERSONALLY, I THINK ALMOST LIKE THIS SITE BETTER FOR YOU AND THE PLAN THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED HERE BETTER THAN WHAT WE SAW BEFORE. SO, YEAH, I THINK THIS WILL WORK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO HIGHLAND PARK VILLAGE, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THIS LAND SIZE HERE, YOU CAN TAKE HIGHLAND PARK VILLAGE AND DROP IT ONTO THIS SITE AND STILL HAVE AN ACRE LEFT. SO IT'S A BIG SITE. WE, IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE THIS 100%? WE'VE GOT TO PUT THE ARCHITECTS ON IT AND GET FINAL PLAN. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE ZONING RIGHT NOW, THE S-P-2 THAT WE ARE REQUESTING. [02:55:05] IT'LL GO TO THAT SO WE CAN PROCEED WITH ALL OF THIS, PROVIDED YOU LIKE THE ARCHITECTURE THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS KIND OF VAGUE, BUT WE PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER THINKING WE WERE GOING TO GET APPROVAL ON AN S-P-2. GOING THROUGH THIS, THE ZONING WILL ENTITLE THE USE REGULATIONS AND CONCEPT PLAN AS WE PRESENTED AS YOU HAVE PRESENTED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT, EACH BUILDING, SITE, RESTAURANT, EVENT CENTER OR AND OR THE RETAIL COMPONENT WILL BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK WITH A SITE PLAN THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE RENDERINGS AND THE ZONING, WHICH IS A HEARING AT P&Z AND A HEARING AT CITY COUNCIL. IS IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS MUCH MOTION WHEN WE GO THROUGH IT AGAIN? ONE LESS CITY COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY. THE ZONING REQUIRES TWO HEARINGS. SO IF MOVED FORWARD THIS EVENING, YOU WOULD COME BACK ON JANUARY 7TH FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION OF THE ZONING. RIGHT, AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, YOU MAY SUBMIT DETAILED SITE PLANS THAT WOULD GO TO P AND Z AND COUNCIL AND THEN PERMIT. OKAY, AND ANYBODY THAT BUILDS IN SOUTHLAKE GOES THROUGH THAT PROCESS I GUESS. I'M JUST CHECKING BECAUSE I'M NOT USED TO LIKE I USED TO LIVE HERE. YOU KNOW THAT COUNCIL, YOU USED TO LIVE HERE. YOU KNOW ALL THAT. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. JUST A QUESTION. I MAYBE I SHOULD KNOW THIS, BUT COULD, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN NOW AND WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER, SO IT WOULD BE JANUARY. COULD THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A SITE PLAN IF HE COULD PUT ONE TOGETHER BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, AND PUT THAT TOGETHER WITH THE SECOND READING ON THE ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN. NO, NO, BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO P&Z. NO, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT ANYWAY. OKAY, AND I REALLY I WAS TRYING TO HELP YOU. I THINK THIS WILL CHANGE. IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO MOVE ON THIS PROPERTY. WE PUT THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE WE WERE UNDER A DEADLINE TO GET THIS LAND DONE. THE WILKS BROTHERS WANT TO GO? SURE, AND IT'S GOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE A CORPORATION, AND IT'S NOT A LITTLE GUY OVER ON A LOT THAT'S LIVED THERE FOREVER. SO IT'S MOVING QUICKER, BUT YEAH, I THINK THIS WILL CHANGE ALL RIGHT. SIGNIFICANTLY ON THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT. SO I UNDERSTAND WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK, BUT BUT THE ZONING WILL GET APPROVED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE TYPE FEATURES ON IT IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. SO OKAY, YEAH, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK IN JANUARY OR WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. I'M GOING TO WRITE A CHECK ON JANUARY 10TH AND THIS LAND WILL BE MINE. SO, OKAY, WE'LL HAVE IT. YEAH. THE SECOND READING WILL BE JANUARY 7TH. SO WE'RE GOOD. IT'S ALL GOOD. WE GOT IT. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AS FAR AS THIS PLAN? I KNOW WE SAW IT BACK ON THE KIMBALL SITE, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD ON THIS SITE THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK HERE, AND I THINK IT'S GREAT. IT'LL BE A GREAT DEAL. YEAH, I LOVE IT. JUST ONE SIDEBAR DEAL. YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK YOUR CELL PHONE OR YOUR OFFICE TONIGHT, BECAUSE ROSS TOWER MAY NOT BE OPEN TOMORROW AND DAKOTA'S MAY BE CLOSED. SO THE CHURCH HAD ANOTHER HORRIFIC EVENT, AND THAT'S WHY I KEPT STEPPING OUT. OH, NO. YEAH. SO THE BURNING OF THE CATHEDRAL OF NOTRE DAME IS OUR VERSION IN THE BAPTIST CHURCH DOWNTOWN. I HADN'T HEARD THAT. I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT. IT'S BEEN HORRIFIC TONIGHT. I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT FOR YOU AS WELL. YEAH. SO, ANYWAY THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE HEADS UP THAT I PROBABLY CAN'T HAVE LUNCH AT DAKOTA'S TOMORROW. WELL, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PULL. I'M GOING THERE NEXT. I'LL SEE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT ANYWAY, BUT THANK YOU FOR LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN. ABSOLUTELY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE IT'S FIRST READING. SO MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, LET'S DO A MOTION, BY THE WAY. I AGREE, I LIKE THE LOCATION EVEN BETTER HERE. I THINK IT'S A GREAT LOCATION. IT'S GOING TO PULL FROM OTHER CITIES, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF US. SO I THINK IT'LL BE BETTER THAN THE KIMBALL ONE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OFF THE HIGHWAY; IT'S HARD TO GET TO AND YEAH. YEAH. OKAY, HERE WE GO. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. ITEM SEVEN A, ORDINANCE NO. 480-826, ZA24-0064, FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR DAKOTA'S ON PROPERTY, DESCRIBED AS LOT 1R1R2, BLOCK 1, SABRE GROUP CAMPUS ADDITION, AND LOCATED AT 1901 WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 25TH, 2024 AND THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED NOVEMBER 25TH, 2024. NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE FROM IN OUR PUD NONRESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT AS PRESENTED, GRANTING THE REQUESTED DRIVEWAY STACKING DEPTH VARIANCE AND DEFERRING THE REQUIRED TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS UNTIL SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL. [03:00:02] NOTING THAT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE STUDY WILL BE ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN CONSIDERATION. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES, AND THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO AND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED. WE'LL SEE YOU IN THE NEW YEAR. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ITEM NINE, A CASE NUMBER SV24-0013,. [9.A. $V24-0013, Variance to the Southlake Town Square Master Sign Plan for Markham Fine Jewelers, located at 101 Grand Avenue. ] VARIANCE TO THE SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE. MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR MARKHAM FINE JEWELERS, LOCATED AT 101 GRAND AVENUE. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE TENANT LOCATION AND MARKHAM JEWELRY. THE REQUEST IS TO SEEK APPROVAL FOR LIGHTING OF THE AWNING SIGNS THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY INSTALLED, WHICH ARE LEGAL AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY INSTALLED AND NON-ILLUMINATED. THE REQUEST IS A VARIANCE TO THE SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE MASTER SIGN PLAN, WHICH DOES NOT PERMIT ILLUMINATED AWNING AWNING LIGHTS. IT DOES PERMIT THE AWNING SIGNAGE AS CURRENTLY INSTALLED, HOWEVER, THEY HAVE SET THIS UP FOR INTERNAL ILLUMINATION. THEY ARE PUSHED THROUGH ACRYLIC LETTERS THAT CAN BE ELECTRIFIED AND INTERNALLY LIT. SO THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS TO ALLOW THE ILLUMINATED AWNING SIGNS. THIS IS A CLOSE UP OF THOSE. ALL THE OTHER SIGNAGE THAT HAS BEEN INSTALLED IS CONFORMING, AND AS I SAID, THE ORDINANCE PERMITS THE SIGNAGE ON THE AWNINGS. IT JUST IT DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO BE ILLUMINATED. THESE ARE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES OF AWNING AWNING SIGNS IN TOWN SQUARE. THE SIGN BOARD DID RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS AT THEIR LAST MEETING ON NOVEMBER 21ST, 4 TO 0, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SIR. APPLICANT HERE? ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? COME ON DOWN, AND YOU'VE BEEN HERE ALL EVENING, SO YOU KNOW THE DRILL. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THEN GO AHEAD. YEAH. ROGER WAS UP FOR 8355 GAYLORD PARKWAY. THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING US AGAIN. I DO HAVE IMAGES OF WHAT OUR CURRENT AWNING LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT IS LIT. IF ANY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, I CAN SHOW IT ON MY PHONE. THAT MIGHT HELP YOU MAKE A DECISION. I'M FINE, BUT IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I REALLY DON'T EVEN HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. I KNOW THE ORDINANCE SAYS NO. NOT LIGHTING. NO LIGHTING ON THESE AWNINGS, BUT IT KIND OF LOOKS INCOMPLETE RIGHT NOW. IT LOOKS LIKE A MAINTENANCE ISSUE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING IT, BUT I'M HERE. WE'RE HERE TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY, SO. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU OPEN YET? I'M SORRY. ARE YOU OPEN YET? WE ARE OPEN. WE WERE. WE, THANK GOD, HAD A BULLETPROOF WINDOW WHEN THE SHOOTING HAPPENED A FEW WEEKS AGO. IT WAS IN OUR WINDOW WHILE WE HAD PEOPLE INSIDE. SO THANK GOD NOBODY WAS HIT. WOW. I'M GLAD WE HAVE MEN'S WATCHES IN TOWN NOW. YEAH. THANK YOU. JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS SHOPPING, RIGHT? YEAH. IT WAS IT WAS A LITTLE SCARY, BUT, YOU KNOW. ALL GOOD. WELCOME TO SOUTHLAKE. WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE SARCASTIC. ANY DISCUSSION, Y'ALL, ON THE I KNOW IT'S THE ILLUMINATED SIGNS. DID WE HAVE A RENDERING OR NOT? OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE? WELL, NOT WHAT IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE, BUT WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. YEAH. YEAH. COULD I VERY QUICKLY. YEAH. GO AHEAD. COME ON DOWN. YEAH. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT REAL QUICK. OBVIOUSLY THESE SIGNS HERE ARE GOING TO BE SMALLER. [03:05:04] IT ACTUALLY LOOKS VERY NICE. YEAH. MIGHT AS WELL KEEP GOING AROUND. YEAH. SHOW EVERYBODY THAT WHOLE. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE JUST BECAUSE IT WAS THE RULE. I'M GOOD. YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING? WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THESE IN TOWN NOW. NOT ILLUMINATED. I THINK IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THINGS WE HAVEN'T DONE, BUT JUST MAKE GOOD SENSE TO DO. I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD. YEAH, IT'S KIND OF A COOL LOOK. YEAH. YOU DON'T WANT IT EVERYWHERE, BUT IN CERTAIN SPOTS. YEAH. SOMEBODY'S GOT TO GO FIRST, RIGHT? YOU'RE A TRENDSETTER. YEAH. COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION ON ITEM NINE A? ALL RIGHT. THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T SEE ANYONE HERE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE'LL JUST SKIP PAST THAT, AND MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY SO WE CAN GO HOME. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'LL MOVE THAT. WE APPROVE. ITEM NINE A SV24-0013, VARIANCE TO THE SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR MARKHAM FINE JEWELERS, LOCATED AT 101 GRAND AVENUE. SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 25TH, 2024. NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING A VARIANCE TO THE SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE MASTER PLAN TO ALLOW THE ILLUMINATED AWNING SIGNS AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NINE A DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO AND IT'S APPROVED. CONGRATULATIONS. THANKS FOR STICKING WITH US. THAT IS OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM. MEETING ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.