[1. Call to Order: Video Introduction of SPIN Program by Southlake Mayor Shawn McCaskill ]
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SORRY TO INTERRUPT THE CONVERSATIONS, BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET THE MEETING STARTED.
MY NAME IS MADELINE PRATER, AND I AM YOUR HOST FOR THE SPIN MEETING TONIGHT.
SPIN IS AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND NO VOTES ARE TAKEN TONIGHT.
SPIN IS STREAMED LIVE THROUGH SOUTHLAKE TV ON THE CITY'S MAIN WEBSITE CITYOFSOUTHLAKE.COM.
NEXT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SHOW YOU A BRIEF VIDEO FROM THE SOUTHLAKE MAYOR SHAWN MCCASKILL.
FIRST OF ALL, SPIN STANDS FOR SOUTHLAKE PROGRAM FOR THE INVOLVEMENT OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR COMMENTS AND GETTING A REPORT ON WHAT IS DISCUSSED TONIGHT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS REVIEW PROCESS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL LEVELS. YOUR INPUT, BOTH FOR AND AGAINST A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ESSENTIAL AS WE LOOK AT WHAT OUR RESIDENTS THINK WHEN WE'RE MAKING OUR DECISIONS.
WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT AND BEING PART OF OUR PROCESS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
AFTER OUR APPLICATION OR APPLICANT PRESENTATION THIS EVENING IF THE AUDIENCE MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE MICROPHONES IN THE AISLES DOWN HERE SO THAT YOU CAN Q&A WITH OUR DEVELOPER THIS EVENING.
WE ALSO HAVE A SPIN ONLINE QUESTION FORM FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T ATTEND THE MEETING THIS EVENING.
[2. SPIN2024-18 - An applicant is proposing a 10-lot residential community on approx. 10.88 acres located at 2665 N. White Chapel Blvd. within SPIN Neighborhood #1. ]
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH OUR APPLICANT PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.MARTIN SCHELLING IS HERE TO PRESENT OUR ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
AN APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A TEN LOT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY ON APPROXIMATELY 10.88 ACRES LOCATED AT 2665 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD WITHIN SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER ONE.
AGAIN, MY NAME IS MARTIN SCHELLING, MY ADDRESS IS 2665 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD IN SOUTHLAKE.
SO I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS AREA.
THE RED LINE REPRESENTS THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY.
SO JUST FOR REFERENCE WALNUT GROVE ELEMENTARY, THIS IS KIRKWOOD HOLLOW PHASE THREE, KIRKWOOD HOLLOW, PHASE TWO, SWEET STREET, AND THEN THIS IS OAK POINT.
SO THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE TOOK THROUGH THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE 2 OR 3 WEEKS AGO.
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS THEY MADE AND MODIFICATIONS.
BASICALLY THE ONE CUL DE SAC THAT COMES OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL.
THERE'S 11, 10.88 ACRES IN THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, AND THERE'S A TOTAL OF 10 LOTS ON THE ON THE PROPOSED PLAN. LOT 8, WHICH IS IN THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE, THAT'S WHERE MY WIFE AND I CURRENTLY RESIDE AND THE HOUSE IS GOING TO STAY, WE DON'T INTEND TO TAKE IT DOWN.
SO TOWARDS THE REAR, WE HAVE AN OPEN SPACE AND A BUFFER FROM OAK POINT.
THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF DETENTION FACILITY HERE THAT ONCE IT GETS ENGINEERED, AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME OPEN SPACE THAT'S ON WHITE CHAPEL THAT WE'LL PUT IN LANDSCAPING AND SOME HARDSCAPE.
THIS IS ON THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ON A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
THIS PARTICULAR PLAN IS 0.99 UNITS PER ACRE.
THE SMALLEST LOTS, 25,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF REFERENCE.
THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IN OAK POINT IS BASICALLY 25,000 SQUARE FEET, AVERAGE SIZE IN KIRKWOOD HOLLOW PHASE TWO IS ABOUT THE SAME.
AND THEN KIRKWOOD HOLLOW PHASE THREE, THE LOTS ARE BASICALLY 18 TO 20,000FT².
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SO ANYWAY, WE DESIGNED THE THE PLAN TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.TRIED TO SET OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE SIMILAR TO WHAT'S AROUND US.
AND THAT'S JUST ANOTHER PLAN WITHOUT THE AREA ON IT.
IT'S OUR INTENTION TO APPLY ON DECEMBER THE 30TH.
ALL RIGHT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE Q&A.
SIR, IF YOU WANT TO GO FIRST, IF YOU COULD USE THE MICROPHONE IN THE AISLE.
ARE YOU DEVELOPING THE LAND YOURSELF? I MEAN, ARE YOU BUILDING HOUSES? I WILL NOT I STOP AT THE CURB.
AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT RIGHT NOW IF I'M GOING TO DEVELOPMENT OR I PARTNER WITH SOMEBODY.
OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING IN TERMS OF THE ABILITY TO EXECUTE, TO FINISH COMPLETE ON A TIMELY MATTER. YOU KNOW, SINCE YOU LIVE THERE, SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE 9 HOME DEVELOPMENT GOING ON RIDGECREST.
IT'S DONE BY THE DEVELOPER [INAUDIBLE] SAME ONE WHO'S DEVELOPING THE ONE ON WHITE CHAPEL NEAR THE HIGH SCHOOL. RIGHT.
THE KEENE PLACE IS ON RIDGECREST ARE YOU GOING TO TEAM UP WITH A DEVELOPER LIKE THAT TO TO COMPLETE THOSE HOMES? I HAVE TALKED TO MAYKUS HOMES ABOUT THIS ALREADY.
YES. BUT YOU HAVEN'T DECIDED ON A DEVELOPER.
I'M NOT, I'VE NOT MADE A DEAL YET.
NO. SO YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS? NOT JUST THE TO ZONE THE PROPERTY, TO POSSIBLY SELL TO A DEVELOPER OR TO PARTNER WITH A DEVELOPER? YES. WELL, ALL MY QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE IS MOSTLY RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT OF THE OF THE UNIT.
SO YOU REALLY YOU REALLY COULDN'T ANSWER THAT, COULD YOU? DEPENDING ON YOUR ABILITY TO, TO DO THAT.
SO THAT'S I, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE.
HILL PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALL SITTING ON WELL OVER AN ACRE? WHEN WHEN YOU KIND OF LOOKED AT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES? BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO THAT DEVELOPMENT THAN EVEN, LIKE KIRKWOOD HOLLOW.
IT'S I DON'T HEAR SO WELL, SO.
THAT'S OKAY. WINGATE HILL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST PAST THAT.
DID YOU TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT THESE SMALLER LOTS? YEAH. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN THE SUBDIVISION SEVERAL TIMES, HAD SOME FRIENDS THAT LIVED IN THERE.
SO THEY'RE BASICALLY, I DON'T KNOW, ONE ONE AND A QUARTER ACRE LOTS.
ALL THE WAY UP TO THREE OVER THREE.
THOSE, THOSE I WOULD CONSIDER MORE CLOSER TO THAT THAN THE KIRKWOOD HOLLOW PROPERTIES.
SO I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE ACRE LOTS OVER HERE.
NOT THESE SMALL HALF ACRE LOTS.
MIC] WELL, NO, THERE'S TWO LOTS THAT ARE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 25,000.
SO THERE'S TWO LOTS THAT ARE 25,000.
THERE'S THREE THAT ARE VERY CLOSE, THERE'S FOUR THAT ARE CLOSE TO AN ACRE.
AND THEN THERE'S 37, 35, 31, 37.
SO THERE'S ONLY TWO LOTS THAT ARE 25,000FT².
HI, I'M JULIE HADLEY AND I LIVE JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF LOT 9.
AND MY CONCERN IS IN BETWEEN WHERE THAT LINE IS BETWEEN LOT 9 AND 10 IS WHERE THE FLOW OF WATER OVERFLOW LIKE FOR FLOODING PURPOSES, OR WHEN IT RAINS REALLY HARD, THAT'S THE IRRIGATION PATH.
IT GOES THROUGH, RIGHT WHERE THAT CORNER IS AND COMES FROM EVEN FURTHER THAN MY PROPERTY, THE TWO THAT ARE FURTHER OUT OUTSIDE THE PICTURE, THE TWO NEXT PROPERTIES.
AND MY CONCERN IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE AS IT GOES FROM THE CUL DE SAC TO THE DETENTION AREA, THAT THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM THAT CORNER IN BETWEEN 9 AND 10 BY MY HOME, AND IF IT RUNS STRAIGHT, IT COULD POSSIBLY RUN
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UNDERNEATH A HOME.SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE ADDRESSED SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE FLOODING THAT BACKS UP ONTO OUR PROPERTY AND TWO OTHER NEIGHBORS ON THE OTHER SIDE? YEAH.
SO WHEN WE DESIGN THIS, THERE WILL BE A STORM SEWER SYSTEM THAT'S GOING TO GO DOWN THE STREET FROM WHITE CHAPEL, BECAUSE WE GET THE WATER THAT COMES OFF THE SCHOOL AND THEN THE PROPERTY FROM YOUR PLACE TO THE SENSORS TO THE WILLIAMS, UP TO THE TATE'S, ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP OF THAT HILL, THAT ALL COMES THIS WAY.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO PUT A STORM SEWER SYSTEM ENCLOSED SYSTEM THAT WILL PICK IT UP BETWEEN 9 AND 10, TAKE IT TO THE STORM SEWER SYSTEM THAT'S IN THE STREET, AND IT'LL GO INTO CUL DE SAC, AND THEN IT WILL IN AN ENCLOSED SYSTEM IT'LL GET BACK TO THE DETENTION.
SO, OKAY, WE'LL PICK UP THAT WATER TODAY AND WE'LL TAKE IT BACK TO THE REAR.
OKAY. MY OTHER CONCERN IS IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE MY HOUSE IS, RIGHT BEHIND LOT NUMBER 9, IT'S CLOSE.
AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE.
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME IN, IN THIS ROOM.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT VENUE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BUILT AT A LEVEL WHERE SOMEONE CAN'T LOOK FROM A TWO OR A THREE STORY HOME AND LOOK RIGHT INTO MY POOL OR RIGHT INTO MY BEDROOM BECAUSE IT IS SO CLOSE TO THE BORDER.
SO I'D REALLY PREFER TO HAVE ONE IN LOT NUMBER 9, A ONE LEVEL HOUSE, A SINGLE LEVEL HOME.
OTHERWISE, IF THEY'RE BEING BUILT LIKE THEY ARE NOW, ALL WHITE AND SQUARE.
I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING ON WHERE I USED TO LOOK ON A BEAUTIFUL PASTURE, AND I KNOW IT'S PROGRESS, BUT RATHER THAN THAT, I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A BIG WHITE WALL. YEP.
THE ADDITIONAL CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND THAT'S THE LAST ONE, IS WHERE THE THE CUL DE SAC COMES OUT ON THAT BEND, PEOPLE DRIVE TOO FAST THROUGH THERE, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S LOOKED AT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE GOING THROUGH THERE ONCE THEY FIX THE BRIDGE SITUATION.
AND WITH A SCHOOL RIGHT THERE, JUST A TRAFFIC CONCERN.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A CITY OF SOUTHLAKE ISSUE OR A DEVELOPMENT ISSUE.
I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, BUT I RAISE THAT AS A CONCERN.
YEAH. WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE CURVE.
SO YOUR SIGHT DISTANCE IS A LOT LONGER.
REALLY THE, THE WHEN YOU COME OUT HERE, WHAT YOU CAN'T SEE IS BECAUSE THE CANOPY IS SOME OF THE TREES ARE TOO LOW, BUT IF THE TREES WERE LIMBED UP, THEN YOU'D HAVE THE SIGHT LINE.
THIS IS MY DAUGHTER, VERONICA.
HI, I'M JULIE'S DAUGHTER, VERONICA.
THAT EXISTING POND, IS IT WATERS OF THE US? LIKE, IS IT A WETLANDS OR AN ENVIRONMENT, A JURISDICTIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURE? NO. THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NOTHING ON THIS PROPERTY THAT'S WATERS OF THE US.
YEAH. I'M SORRY. MY NAME IS MARK SHARKEY.
I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA FOR OAK POINT, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, CHAD CROSS, I DO, TALKED TO YOU.
I DO, AND CHAD DID RELAY A NICE MESSAGE BACK TO US ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND ABOUT YOU.
SO I HAVE THAT TO SAY, BUT SINCE YOU ARE NOT THE DEVELOPER AND MY CONCERNS ARE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I'M GOING TO STATE IT ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO TO TRANSCRIBE THAT AND SEND THIS ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR.
RIGHT. SO AGAIN, THE CONCERNS WE HAVE OF THESE MULTIPLE HOME DEVELOPMENTS AS WE ARE EXPERIENCING OURSELVES FROM THIS RIDGECREST DEVELOPMENT OF 9 HOMES THAT ORIGINALLY STARTED IN THE SPRING OF 2022.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONLY 2, MAYBE 3 HOMES COMPLETED.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE 3 YEARS BEFORE THEY YOU GET HALF OF IT DONE AND IT CHANCES ARE THIS IS 5, 6, 7 YEARS, IF IN FACT THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THE ECONOMY OR DEVELOPMENT OR BUYING OR INTEREST RATES, ALL OF WHICH THERE IS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT A DEEP POCKET
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RECESSION AND WHAT THAT MIGHT DO TO THE DEVELOPMENT.AND IT'S JUST INTERRUPTIVE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE 6 OR 7 YEARS AGO, AGAIN, SEEMED TO BE AN ESTABLISHED, DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH WHAT SEEMS TO BE AN ENDLESS AMOUNT OF NOISE, CONSTRUCTION, NOISE, CONSTRUCTION, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC THAT BEGINS AT 5:30 IN THE MORNING, THAT ALARMS ON BULLDOZERS THAT SEEM TO ONLY GO ONE WAY.
THE DUST FROM UNDEVELOPED LAND, FROM THE CONSTRUCTION, FROM BRICKS, FROM EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEING CUT AND BEING CONSTRUCTED IS A CONCERN, AND IT'S A CONCERN FOR US WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, THAT THIS POSSIBILITY, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT BE THE DEVELOPER AND I HATE TO ADDRESS THIS TO YOU, BUT THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE, IS ONE GOING THROUGH THIS WHAT SEEMS COULD BE A 2 YEAR PROJECT TO A 10 YEAR PROJECT, ALL WHAT SEEMS TO BE TOO LONG, IN MY OPINION, TO HAVE TO SUFFER THROUGH WHAT COULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT COULD LAST MAYBE A YEAR OR A YEAR AND A HALF AT THE MOST.
HONESTLY, I HAD A DAUGHTER THAT WENT TO WALNUT GROVE.
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE COMPETING WITH PEOPLE GOING TO SCHOOL, KIDS BEING DROPPED OFF FROM SCHOOL, KIDS BEING PICKED UP FROM SCHOOL, THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS NOT BEING COMPLETED AND HAVING A HALF COMPLETED DEVELOPMENT ACROSS FROM SCHOOL OBVIOUSLY IS A CONCERN AS WELL.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN THINK OF? MIC] RIGHT. SO THERE IS A COMPLETION ISSUE.
I MEAN, WE DO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY, THEY LOOK AT PERFORMANCE BONDS, WHICH ARE NOT ATYPICAL IN THESE SITUATIONS, THAT WOULD MAKE THE DEVELOPER PUT UP A BOND. THE BOND WOULD THEN SERVE AS A AS AN INCENTIVE TO BE FINISHED AND FINISHED ON A TIMELY BASIS AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN THE CITY HAS AN OPTION OF SELLING THE LAND TO TO TO MAKE GOOD ON THE BOND.
ALSO, ONE THING THAT WE CAN RECOMMEND, BASED ON OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN SOUTHLAKE THAT WE'VE SEEN.
WE DO RECOMMEND MORE THAN JUST A SOFT BARRIER AROUND THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE DO RECOMMEND LIKE HAPPEN AT METAIRIE, WHICH IS AT DOVE AND WHITE CHAPEL.
IS THAT A WALL OR SOMETHING AROUND THAT THAT SEEMS TO HELP DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE THAT IN METAIRIE THEY HAD TO DO THE WALL FIRST, MUCH AS YOU SEE THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING AT 114 AND WHITE CHAPEL, THAT THERE IS A WALL SURROUNDING THAT DEVELOPMENT, IT SEEMS TO HELP WITH KEEPING THE DUST AND SOME OF THE NOISE TO A MINIMUM LEVEL.
WE DEFINITELY RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY CONSIDERS THAT AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ADAM BUTCHER, I LIVE IN WINGATE HILLS.
MY CONCERN AS A RESIDENT, NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM THIS, AND ALSO AS I LOOK AT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED IN SOUTHLAKE, MY CONCERN IS THAT ONCE WE START APPROVING HALF ACRE ISH LOTS HERE, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FARMLAND AROUND HERE, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ACREAGE THAT WILL BE COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOWEVER MANY YEARS, SOME OF WHICH BACKS DIRECTLY TO MY PROPERTY.
AND I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO SET THE PRECEDENT TO HAVE HALF ACRE, QUARTER ACRE LOTS, GOD FORBID, THREE STORY TOWNHOMES SITTING BEHIND OUR PROPERTY, WHICH TO HER POINT, UP UNTIL THIS POINT, WE'VE HAD BEAUTIFUL VIEWS OF PASTURES AND CATTLE AND DONKEYS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
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UP TO, YOU KNOW, ZERO LOT LINE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE FUTURE.THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY COMMENT TO THIS.
WELL, WE DID HAVE A PLAN THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OPEN SPACE IN THE BACK, AND WE HAD A PLAN THAT WAS ALL ONE ACRES, BUT IT IS NOT AS ATTRACTIVE AS THIS. AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS PUT ANOTHER TRIPLE C IN TOWN.
SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO QUARTER ACRE LOTS IN HERE, IN FACT, 25,000 IS LARGER THAN HALF ACRE, SO IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN . I DON'T I DON'T WRITE THE LAND USE PLAN.
I'M JUST PLAYING BY THE CITY'S RULES THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO.
THEY STILL HAVE DISCRETION OVER LOT SIZE AND THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
BUT IT IS IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING? NO. OKAY.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING.
AND AS MENTIONED, ALL OF THIS WILL BE CREATED IN A MEETING REPORT FOLLOWING THE MEETING.
AND THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.