Jan 23, 2025 Sign Board

AND SUBSEQUENTLY OPENS UP OUR SIGN BOARD MEETING FOR JANUARY 23RD, 2025.

[Call to Order. ]

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I'M GOING TO ASSUME NO ADDITIONAL CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS.

WE'LL MOVE STRAIGHT TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR NOVEMBER 21ST, 2024 MEETING.

[5. Consider: Approving the minutes from the November 21, 2024, Sign Board Meeting. ]

NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA VARIANCES TO THE KIMBALL OAKS MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR PERSPIRE SAUNA STUDIO.

[6. Consider: SV24-0016, Variances to the Kimball Oaks Master Sign Plan for Perspire Sauna Studio located at 2251 E. Southlake Blvd., Suite 100. ]

IT'S A WALL SIGN FACING KIMBALL DRIVE OR KIMBALL DRIVE, AND THE ADDRESS IS 2251 EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, SUITE 100. HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW. WE HAVE EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, AND HERE WE HAVE KIMBALL.

THE TENANT'S SPACE IS APPROXIMATELY HERE. THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE LEASING PLAN FOR THAT BUILDING.

THEY ARE AT THE END HERE AND THIS IS KIMBALL UP HERE.

THEY ARE PROVIDING FOUR OPTIONS. ALL HAVE THE SAME DIMENSIONS.

THEY'RE JUST LOCATED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PLACES ON THE BUILDING.

THEY HAVE A LETTER HEIGHT OF 25.5IN AND 30.5IN.

THERE'S OPTION A AND OPTION B, OPTION C AND OPTION D.

THIS IS WHAT THE SIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE AT NIGHT.

THE ILLUMINATION OPTION B, OPTION C AND OPTION D.

THESE ARE THEIR ADDITIONAL SIGNS THAT DON'T REQUIRE VARIANCES.

THIS IS THE SIGN FOR THE FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING.

THE WEST ELEVATION. AGAIN NO VARIANCE REQUIRED FOR THAT ONE AND THEN THEY ARE PUTTING A PANEL ON THE EXISTING MONUMENT SIGN AND THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A VARIANCE EITHER. WE JUST HAVE SOME SITE PHOTOS. THIS BOX HERE SHOWS THEIR LEASE SPACE AND THIS IS THE ELEVATION WHERE THEY'RE REQUESTING TO PUT THE SIGN. JUST SOME SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, SOME SURROUNDING BUILDINGS, SOME MORE BUILDINGS IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER. PGA SUPERSTORE.

MORE SITE PHOTOS AND SOME ADDITIONAL SITE PHOTOS AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BEFORE I CALL THE APPLICANT UP HERE, WE TYPICALLY KIND OF TALK IT THROUGH A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN WE'LL INVITE YOU UP HERE TO KIND OF ADDRESS ANY OF THE FEEDBACK WE GET.

SO I THINK WE'LL, YOU KNOW, DELIBERATE ON IT NOW.

WE'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT UP HERE IN A SECOND I GUESS.

ANYONE WANT TO LEAD OFF COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? MAYBE THAT'S TO MY RIGHT. WELL, I HAVE A HARD TIME BREAKING PRECEDENT ON THIS AND WHILE NONE OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS HAVE REAR SIGNS ON THEM.

SO, YOU KNOW, I REALLY HATE DOING THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE OF THESE POP UP.

IF THIS ONE GOES THROUGH, I MEAN, I GO AHEAD, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I WOULD TEND TO AGREE.

I DON'T THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF THE VARIANCES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT PUTTING ALL THESE OPTIONS IN THERE, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALWAYS ASKING FOR AND THAT MAKES THIS MUCH EASIER TO DO.

SO NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT WORK.

YEAH. NO, I SAY WE APPRECIATE OPTIONS AS WELL AND I STRUGGLE WITH IT WITH FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT I MEAN, I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE, WE TRY TO BE CONSISTENT. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSISTENT.

YOU KNOW, IF THIS TENANT COMES THROUGH AND ASKS FOR A SIGN, WHICH I UNDERSTAND, THEY'RE KIND OF IN A CORNER, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THEY NEED VISIBILITY. THEY'RE ALL GOING TO COME FORWARD AND WANT ONE AND THEN HOW DO YOU START TELLING OTHERS NO.

SO IT'S A STRUGGLE. BUT ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING REAL QUICK BEFORE WE INVITE THE APPLICANT UP OR.

OKAY DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO COME FORWARD ON THIS ONE? AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

MAYBE FEEL FREE TO KIND OF ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

MIKE PREZIOSO, 817 SITKA STREET, FORT WORTH, TEXAS 76137.

YEAH, I MEAN, THEY KNEW THERE WAS A MASTER SIGN PLAN TAKING A CHANCE.

THEY WANT TO MAXIMIZE THEIR VISIBILITY FOR THEIR BUSINESS.

THEY ARE IN THE CORNER. THE PYLON SIGNS VERY SMALL.

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AND YEAH. SO NO. DEFINITELY UNDERSTOOD AND I GUESS MAYBE I'D TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONCE YOU SIT DOWN, WE'LL FURTHER DELIBERATE AND VOTE ON A MOTION HERE.

BUT WHETHER IT'S A MOTION THAT'S SUPPORTIVE OR NOT SUPPORTIVE, YOU KNOW, YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING THAT FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS ON IT AS WELL. THEY MAY AGREE WITH US.

THEY MAY NOT. SIGNS CAN BE A LITTLE SUBJECTIVE.

SO REGARDLESS, IF YOU DO CHOOSE, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS HERE THIS EVENING TO BRING IT FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL, MY ADVICE MIGHT BE MAYBE IF YOU SHOW THEM SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE HALF THE SIZE, RIGHT.

MAYBE YOU MIGHT GET TRACTION. I THINK THIS MIGHT BE JUST AN EASY NO, BUT THAT WOULD BE MAYBE MY ADVICE. SO DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR APPLICANT IS IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER.

THE PGA STORE HAS TWO SIGNS ON THE BUILDING AND ONE DOES FACE THE SAME DIRECTION.

YES. ACTUALLY, I THINK I'M GOING TO PUNT HERE.

WHEN THOSE SIGNS WERE APPROVED, THAT WAS BACK WHEN CITY COUNCIL DID ALL THIS AND NOT THE SIGN BOARD.

SO THAT WAS RELATED TO ANOTHER BODY. I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD HAVE VOTED THAT WAY, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I THINK MAYBE TO THE EXTENT YOU TAKE THIS CASE TO THE NEXT LEVEL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WORTH POINTING OUT IN AN APPLICATION.

SO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS, GUYS.

APPRECIATE IT. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN? WHAT I'M GOING TO GUESS IS A MOTION TO NOT GO AHEAD.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY. ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA SV 24-0016.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

AND REMEMBER WHEN A MOTION OR VOTE YES IS TO DENY.

SO JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO GET THAT BACKWARDS. OKAY.

SIX ZERO. YOU KNOW AGAIN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE IT TO COUNCIL.

MAYBE YOU CAN TAKE A DIFFERENT VERSION OF IT AND MAYBE GET SOME MORE TRACTION. POINT OUT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING AND MAYBE YOU CAN GET AN AUDIENCE THERE.

SO GOOD LUCK. THANKS, SIR. THANKS FOR STICKING AROUND TONIGHT.

OKAY, LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING. ITEM SEVEN VARIANCES TO DISTRICT 114 MASTER SITE PLAN FOR ROSEBUD STEAKHOUSE MR.

[7. Consider: SV24-0017, Variances to the District 114 Master Sign Plan for Rosebud Steakhouse located at 2102 E. SH 114, Suite 119. ]

HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE. AND THIS IS THEIR SIGNED SITE PLAN.

AGAIN IT'S SIGN A AND SIGN B THAT REQUIRE VARIANCES AND THEN THEY HAVE A MONUMENT SIGN HERE, SIGN C THEY'RE PUTTING A SIGN IN THE ON THAT, THAT MONUMENT SIGN THERE, A PANEL REPLACEMENT AND THERE'S NO VARIANCE REQUIRED FOR THAT.

SO THE FIRST SIGN WHAT THEY HAVE LABELED SIGN A IS THIS VERTICAL UPPER STORY SIGN.

IT'S OVERALL SIGN HEIGHT IS ALMOST 28FT. THE TALLEST LETTER HEIGHT IS JUST A LITTLE OVER 36IN AND THEN THEIR SECOND SIGN IS THE ROSEBUD STEAKHOUSE ATTACHED TO THE AWNING.

AND THEIR LETTER HEIGHT FOR THAT IS 14IN. AND THIS IS JUST A DETAILED SIGN DRAWINGS HERE.

AND THIS IS WHAT THE SIGN WILL LOOK LIKE AT NIGHT. AND THEN THIS IS PROPOSED SIGN B.

AND THESE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL EXHIBITS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT SHOWING STREET VIEW.

HERE'S SOME SITE PHOTOS. SOME ADDITIONAL SITE PHOTOS AND JUST A CLOSE UP OF THE STARBUCKS, THERE IS ANOTHER SIGN THAT HAS THE VERTICAL TYPE SIGN HERE FOR STARBUCKS THAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS DISTRICT 114.

SOME ADDITIONAL SITE PHOTOS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

AND BEFORE WE CALL THE APPLICANT UP, SAME THING. WE'LL JUST DELIBERATE REAL QUICK. AND YOU CAN COME UP AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS I GUESS. JUST LEADING OFF.

I KNOW THESE ARE BOTH VARIANCES. THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR THIS BUILDING.

I'D SAY THE AWNING SIGN TO ME DOESN'T OFFEND ME.

IF ANYTHING, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD. AND THE VERTICAL STORY SIGN, I THINK I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY NEED SOME NEED SOME KIND OF VISIBILITY,

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I KNOW THE SPACE IS SET VACANT FOR A LITTLE WHILE, SO I MEAN, I THINK WE'D ALL PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO HAVE IT OCCUPIED BY HOPEFULLY A NICE RESTAURANT VERSUS SITTING THE WAY IT IS.

BUT I KNOW THERE'S SUBJECTIVE VIEWS ON SIGNS.

SO WITH THAT DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE AN OPINION THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE? WELL, I MIGHT I AGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T MIND THE SLASH AWNING SIGN, THE STEAKHOUSE SIGN, THAT ONE LOOKS PRETTY GOOD AND APPROPRIATE, BUT I'M WITH YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE VERTICAL SIGN REDUCED IN SIZE.

I MEAN, THIS BUILDING HAS GOT SIGNS PLASTERED ALL OVER IT, SO IT'S KIND OF IT'S ALREADY KIND OF OUT THERE.

LOOKS LIKE A STICKY NOTE PAD, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT REDUCED.

OKAY. DULY NOTED. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, DELIBERATIONS.

I THINK I'M OKAY WITH BOTH OF THESE. I THINK PROPORTIONATELY THAT VERTICAL ONE LOOKS APPROPRIATE TO ME.

I THINK BEING SMALLER COULD LOOK STRANGE, BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE AN OPTION TO LOOK AT.

WOULD BE PROBABLY A GOOD RECOMMENDATION, BUT I COULD BE ON BOARD WITH BOTH.

OKAY. WELL, I DEFINITELY THINK THEY NEED A SIGN TO BE ABLE TO FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW WHERE TO GO.

I DON'T KNOW IF BOTH SIGNS ARE NECESSARY, BUT EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY IS FINE WITH ME.

I COULD ALSO SEE MAYBE REDUCING THE VERTICAL ONE.

I KIND OF LIKE THAT ONE. BECAUSE IT'S MODERN AND IT HAS SOME UNIQUENESS TO IT.

SO YEAH, I GUESS BASICALLY I LIKE THEM BOTH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT MAYBE TWO ARE NEEDED, BUT I'M PRETTY AMBIVALENT ABOUT THAT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? I'M WITH COMMISSIONER GUNTHER AGAIN.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH AND I GUESS MAYBE THE ONLY THING I'D TACK ON TO MY EARLIER COMMENTS IS MAYBE WHAT COMMISSIONER SPRINGER DOCTOR SPRINGER HIT ON AWARD WINNING COMMISSIONER SPRINGER.

I'M TRYING TO TAKE THE WHOLE BUILDING INTO CONTEXT BECAUSE IT IS STARTING TO LOOK LIKE A BILLBOARD. I MEAN, IT'S GOT SIGNS ALL OVER IT, WHICH I KNOW IS NOT THIS APPLICANT'S FAULT AT ALL.

BUT THAT'S, I GUESS, AN APPLICANT, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND COME UP HERE, MAYBE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THIS. I GUESS ONE THING I WOULD DO, AGAIN, YOU HEARD THE COMMENTS EARLIER. WE'RE TRYING TO PREPARE YOU FOR THE NEXT LEVEL OF MEETING. I WOULD WE COULD SEE HOW THIS VOTE GOES TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD BRING WITH YOU AND BE READY TO SHOW A VERSION OF THIS VERTICAL UPPER STORY SIGN THAT'S MAYBE 25% SMALLER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE WHAT CITY COUNCIL TYPICALLY LIKES TO DO IS THEY LIKE TO HAVE THE OPTIONS, THEY LIKE TO HAVE THEM READY, AND THEN THEY CAN LOOK AT EACH ONE.

AND YOU CAN ADVOCATE FOR I THINK VERSION A IS THE ONE.

AND HERE'S WHY. BUT THEY CAN AT LEAST SEE THE OTHER ONE.

AND ONE. AND IF YOU THINK IT'S SMALLER, IT LOOKS SILLY. THEY'LL LOOK AT IT, THEY MAY AGREE. AND THEN YOU CAN GET A DECISION THAT NIGHT VERSUS HAVING TO COME BACK.

SO GO AHEAD. OKAY. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. MY NAME IS TYLER SMITH BY THE WAY.

I'M WITH COMMON SIGNS. THE SIGN CONTRACTOR OR ADDRESSES 203 WEST MOCKINGBIRD LANE IN DALLAS.

AND MAINLY THE REASON WE'RE ON BOTH THESE SIGNS IS VISIBILITY FOR THE RESTAURANT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THEY'RE ON THE SIDE OF THAT BUILDING TUCKED AWAY IN THE CORNER THERE AND SO REALLY, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT CANOPY SIGN IF YOU'RE DRIVING ALONG. 114.

SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT LARGER VERTICAL SIGN.

YEAH. ON BOTH SIDES. AS FAR AS SIZE, CONSTRUCTION AND LIGHTING ARE CONCERNED ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TYPICAL CITY ORDINANCES, ONLY ORIENTATION AND PLACEMENT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

OKAY. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN TAKE A SHOT AT A MOTION UP HERE, BUT I THINK TO THE EXTENT WE CAN NOTE THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, A VERSION OF THAT VERTICAL SIGN THAT'S MAYBE SOME PERCENTAGE SMALLER TO SHOW COUNCIL.

I THINK AT LEAST I SHOULD SPEAK FOR MYSELF. THAT WILL GET MY SUPPORT.

YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? EVERYBODY GOOD? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I GUESS WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER DELIBERATIONS.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 7, IN OUR AGENDA.

SB 24-0017, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED JANUARY 17TH, 2025, AND NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO BRING ANOTHER VERSION OF THE VERTICAL SIGN THAT'S SMALLER THAN THE ONE PRESENTED TO TONIGHT SO THAT COUNCIL HAS AT LEAST TWO OPTIONS. WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A SECOND.

LET'S VOTE PLEASE. SIX ZERO. OKAY. CONGRATULATIONS.

GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU FOR OFFERING TO BRING THE SMALLER VERSION.

GOOD LUCK AT CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON FEBRUARY 4TH.

ASSUMING YOU CAN MAKE IT AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.