Feb 11, 2025 SPIN Town Hall Forum

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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS BORIS OLARI AND I'M YOUR HOST FOR THE SPIN MEETING TONIGHT.

[1. Call to Order: Video Introduction of SPIN Program by Southlake Mayor Shawn McCaskill]

SPIN IS AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND NO VOTES ARE TAKEN.

SPIN IS STREAMLINED THROUGH THE SOUTH LAKE TV AND ON THE CITY'S MAIN WEBSITE, CITYOFSOUTHLAKE.COM.

NEXT, WE WILL SHOW A BRIEF VIDEO INTRODUCTION OF THE SPIN PROGRAM BY SOUTH LAKE MAYOR SHAUN MACASKILL.

GOOD EVENING. THIS IS SHAUN MACASKILL, THE MAYOR OF SOUTH LAKE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO TONIGHT'S SPIN MEETING.

FIRST OF ALL, SPIN STANDS FOR SOUTH LAKE PROGRAM FOR THE INVOLVEMENT OF NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU COME IN. THIS IS THE FIRST STAGE IN OUR VERY THOROUGH AND EXHAUSTIVE REVIEW PROCESS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS HERE IN SOUTH LAKE, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING PART OF PART OF THAT PROCESS. TONIGHT YOU'LL HEAR A PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT WHO'S LOOKING TO DO POSSIBLY A NEW DEVELOPMENT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. YOU WILL GET A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT THERE WILL NOT BE ANY VOTES TONIGHT THAT WILL COME LATER WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR COMMENTS AND GETTING A REPORT ON WHAT IS DISCUSSED TONIGHT.

AS WE GO THROUGH THIS REVIEW PROCESS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL LEVELS.

YOUR INPUT, BOTH FOR AND AGAINST THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ESSENTIAL AS WE LOOK AT WHAT OUR RESIDENTS THINK WHEN WE'RE MAKING OUR DECISIONS.

WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT AND BEING PART OF OUR PROCESS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

WE DEVELOPED AN ONLINE SPIN FORM FOR RESIDENTS TO SUBMIT THEIR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, IF THEY ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND. I WILL READ THROUGH THESE SUBMISSIONS AFTER THE RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCE WHO HAVE WHO HAVE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK AFTER THE APPLICATION. APPLICANT PRESENTATIONS. THOSE IN ATTENDANCE WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS CAN USE THE MICROPHONE IN THE AISLE FOR THE QUESTION AND ANSWERS PORTION OF THE MEETING.

WITH THAT, LET US GET TO OUR APPLICANT PRESENTATIONS.

[2. SPIN2025-01 —An applicant is proposing one-acre and half-acre single-family residential lots accessing onto Shady Oaks Dr. and an office development accessing onto E. State Highway 114, on approximately 21 acres located at 1835 Shady Oaks Dr. within SPIN Neighborhood #5.]

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, GUYS FOR COMING OUT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING. BEING A PART OF THE PROCESS, SPIN IS A REALLY IMPORTANT FIRST STEP AS WE'RE TALKING THROUGH THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND OUR FIRST FORMAL OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS, THE NEIGHBORS OF THIS PROPERTY.

MY NAME IS JOHN HUFFMAN. THIS IS CURTIS YOUNG. WE'RE THE APPLICANTS ON THIS PIECE OF LAND. LIKE BORIS SAID, IT'S 21 ACRES HERE ON 114 AND SHADY OAKS, YOU GUYS ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

SO I WANT TO RUN THROUGH A FEW THINGS TONIGHT. I WANT TO RUN THROUGH A FEW PROPOSALS.

SO, WE DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A ZOOM MEETING LAST NIGHT.

SO IF YOU'RE ON THE ZOOM MEETING, YOU WILL HAVE SEEN MOST OF THIS.

THERE'S ONE NEW PLAN BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS IN THAT ZOOM MEETING THAT WE CAME UP WITH.

CURTIS DREW UP TODAY THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN. BUT OUR GOAL IS TO GET FEEDBACK ON A COUPLE OF KEY QUESTIONS FROM ALL OF YOU.

SO WE'RE GOING TO RUN THROUGH THESE AS IF NOBODY HAS SEEN ANY OF THIS.

AND THEN AND WHEN IT'S WHEN IT COMES TIME WE REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE AS MUCH FEEDBACK AS WE CAN FROM ALL OF YOU.

SO THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S GET STARTED.

SO THIS PIECE OF LAND IS YOU GOT YOU SEE, SHADY OAKS ABUTS IT ON THE WEST SIDE.

114 ON THE EAST SIDE. THERE'S A LOT OF TREES AND A LOT OF TOPO, AS YOU ALL KNOW.

SO THE FUTURE LAND USE IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROPOSALS.

ONE IS, WELL, THE ZONING IS AG CURRENTLY, SO THIS IS A REZONING CASE.

SO ONE OF THESE PROPOSALS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE FIRST IS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

NOW UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TO THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE. CORRIDOR COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS, SOME P&Z MEMBERS AND SOME PUBLIC MEMBERS.

AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF A FIRST LOOK OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE FOLKS TO GIVE US FEEDBACK ON KIND OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING.

WE BROUGHT SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO THEM. AND THE FIRST PROJECT, THE FIRST LAYOUT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS BASED ON THEIR COMMENTS AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL MIX. SO THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

NOW THE ORIENTATION IS FLIPPED. SO NOW 114 IS ON THE TOP AND SHADY OAKS IS ON THE BOTTOM.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, TO 19 LOTS.

THE FIRST THREE LOTS ABUTTING SHADY OAKS ARE ONE ACRE AND THE REST OF THESE ARE HALF ACRE,

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THE HALF ACRE WITH RAVEN BEND OVER HERE. THIS TRACK, THE SHIVERS UTLEY TRACK IS NOT IN OUR DEVELOPMENT.

THE LIKE I MENTIONED, THERE'S A LOT OF TOPOGRAPHY ON THIS SITE.

THE DRAINAGE COMES DOWN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE HERE.

KIND OF BISECTING THE SITE FROM THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH END.

SO, WHAT CORRIDOR COMMITTEE REQUESTED IS THAT WE LEAVE SOME OF THIS SITE COMMERCIAL.

SO WE'VE DRAWN A PLAN TO DO THAT. WE YOU'LL SEE.

THIS IS HOW MANY ACRES? FIVE OR SO ACRES OF THE COMMERCIAL.

ON THE COMMERCIAL. WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE IF IT'S GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL, PROBABLY THE BEST USE IS MULTI-TENANT OFFICE.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT COMES WITH A LOT OF SURFACE PARKING.

SO WE'VE BEEN CHEWING ON THIS AND TALKING WITH SOME OF YOU, AND BASED ON SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE PLANS WHERE INSTEAD OF HALF COMMERCIAL, HALF RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO ALL RESIDENTIAL FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.

SO, THERE'S A LANDSCAPE PLAN. THIS IS THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU JUST SAW RESIDENTIAL ON THE SOUTH SIDE, COMMERCIAL ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND SOMETHING ELSE, I SHOULD SAY, A FEATURE ON ALL THE PLANS REALLY FEEL STRONGLY THAT NO COMMERCIAL OUTLET ON SHADY OAKS, AS YOU'LL SEE ONE FOR RESIDENTIAL IN THIS PLAN.

BUT ALSO THERE'S A 40 FOOT BUFFER YARD BETWEEN SHADY OAKS OR STARTING ON SHADY OAKS GOING INTO THE SITE.

SOME DISCUSSION LAST NIGHT ABOUT MAYBE INCREASING THAT IF IT WOULD INCREASE THE TREE PRESERVATION AND WE'RE OPEN TO DOING THAT. BUT WE REALLY FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THAT GREEN SPACE ON THE SITE AS POSSIBLE BEFORE OBVIOUSLY, THE BUILDINGS AND THE PARKING LOTS BEGIN.

SO THAT IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN OF THE FIRST PROPOSAL.

OKAY. PROPOSAL NUMBER TWO. THIS IS WHAT I SHOWED YOU GUYS LAST NIGHT IN THE ZOOM CALL.

AGAIN ALL RESIDENTIAL. SO TAKING THAT COMMERCIAL ACREAGE AND GOING TO RESIDENTIAL, MAINTAINING THE SAME ACRE LOTS ON SHADY OAKS AND THEN HALF ACRE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIGGER, MAYBE A LITTLE SMALLER.

AVERAGE IS OVER HALF AN ACRE, THOUGH, ON THE REST OF THE SITE FOR A TOTAL OF 28 SITE 28 LOTS.

DETENTION POND. NOW, SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.

WE COULD DIG THAT A LITTLE DEEPER AND MAKE IT A WATER FEATURE, WHICH IS OUR INTENTION.

SAME 40 FOOT OR MORE BUFFER YARD. ALSO THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT NOT TO HAVE DRIVEWAYS COMING ONTO SHADY OAKS.

SO ALL THE DRIVEWAYS FOR THE ACRE LOT FOR ALL THE LOTS ARE INTERIOR TO THE SITE.

SO THAT'S PLAN A OF WHAT WE CALL THE ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN.

I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. THIS IS OUR PREFERENCE TO GO WITH ALL RESIDENTIAL VERSUS THE COMMERCIAL.

I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR US. IT'S BETTER FOR THE SITE.

IT'S BETTER FOR TREE PRESERVATION. I THINK IT'S JUST A BETTER USE USE OF THE LAND FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS.

SO THIS IS OUR PREFERENCE. WE'RE GOING TO BRING THE COMMERCIAL THE HALF COMMERCIAL, HALF RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO BY CORRIDOR COMMITTEE.

BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT OUR PREFERENCE IS TO GO ALL RESIDENTIAL.

SO I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU 1 OR 2 MORE, ONE MORE, TWO MORE, TWO MORE, TWO MORE, TWO MORE.

OKAY. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING OUR RESIDENTIAL CONCEPT PLAN B. THIS IS NEW TO EVERYONE.

SO ONE OF THE FEEDBACK, ONE OF THE PIECES OF FEEDBACK WE GOT THAT WE REALLY THOUGHT WAS SMART WAS MOVING THE ACCESS FROM DOWN HERE, WHERE IT DIRECTLY CONFLICTS WITH A HOME ONTO GARDEN COURT, WHERE THIS BECOMES AN INTERSECTION LIKE YOU WOULD SEE IN OTHER PLACES.

NOT A FOUR WAY STOP, BUT JUST A TWO WAY STOP.

IT LINES EVERYTHING UP AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE FOR BETTER, JUST BETTER SIGHT LINE AND LINE AND BETTER TRAFFIC. IN THIS WE STILL HAVE AN OUTLET ONTO 114. FIRE CODE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE FIRE CODE IS GOING TO REQUIRE TWO ACCESS POINTS.

POTENTIALLY ONE IS ONLY EMERGENCY ONLY POTENTIALLY.

THIS ONE WE DREW UP, YOU CAN SEE THE ALIGNMENT IS ON GARDEN COURT AND THE LOT LAYOUT, LOT NUMBER IS THE SAME.

SO LET ME SHOW YOU ONE MORE. WHAT WE CALL LOT C SAME LOT LAYOUT WITH ACRES. SAME ALIGNMENT ON THE GARDEN COURT. MOVING THE ACCESS FROM 114 TO THE EMERGENCY ONLY ACCESS UP HERE.

THIS ACTUALLY INCREASES OUR LOT COUNT BY ONE, BECAUSE THIS ROAD IS GOING TO RUN IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF THE ACRE LOTS.

SO, WE HAD TO WHEN AS WE'RE REPLACING IT, WE WENT BACK WITH TWO HALF ACRE LOTS.

SO, AND THAT'S HOT OFF THE PRESS. I THINK CURTIS FINISHED IT THIS AFTERNOON.

SO WE WOULD LOVE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS ONE AS WELL.

AGAIN, KIND OF TAKING Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION ON LINING THIS UP WITH GARDEN COURT AND NOT CREATING A THOROUGHFARE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ONTO SHADY OAKS, THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT. SO, CURTIS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS?

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AND, YOU KNOW, WILL HAS HAD COMMENTS FROM STAFF AND WE'VE RESPONDED TO THOSE.

AND SO, IT WILL GO TO P&Z AT SOME TIME HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, THE 20TH NEXT WEEK.

RIGHT. AND THESE PLANS HAVE NOT BEEN SEEN BY STAFF.

THEY'RE ALL RESIDENTIAL PLANS HAVE NOT BEEN SEEN BY STAFF.

THEY'RE JUST A RESULT OF SOME OF THE INPUT THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING FROM Y'ALL ABOUT DOING ALL RESIDENTIAL.

SO STAFF HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THOSE YET.

BUT WE KIND OF WANT YOUR INPUT AS THE NEIGHBORS AS TO WHICH DIRECTION YOU WOULD LIKE US TO MAYBE SUGGEST WE GO.

THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'RE NOW GOING TO OPEN THE ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.

SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE USE ONE OF THE MICS UP HERE.

I DON'T NEED A MIC. IT'S FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE MILLIONS WATCHING AT HOME.

YES, CORRECT. SO YOU SAID THAT IT'S CURRENTLY AG, BUT.

CORRECT. THEY'RE CHANGING IT OR THEY HAVE CHANGED IT, OR WHO'S VOTING ON THAT AND WHEN? YEAH. SO THE ZONING IS AG. THE MASTER PLAN HAS IT AS OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

SO OUR REQUEST TO REZONE IT WILL BE EITHER THE ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN OR THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PLAN.

OKAY. SO IT'S ZONING AND I DON'T WANT TO MESS UP YOUR DEAL BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY LIKE EVERYBODY.

BUT IT'S AG NOW. YES. CORRECT. THE MASTER PLAN.

NO ONE CONTACTED US ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN OF WHAT WE WANTED.

BECAUSE THAT SUBDIVISION, GARDEN COURT HAS BEEN THERE FOR 35 YEARS.

RIGHT. OKAY. SO I'M CURIOUS AS TO HOW CAN YOU CHANGE IT FROM AG TO WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT TO DO, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL? SURE.

WITHOUT HAVING OUR INPUT ON THAT, JUST BECAUSE THEY DID THE BIG MASTER PLAN.

WELL, SO THIS IS GREAT QUESTION. SO THIS IS THE INPUT PROCESS.

SO ANYTIME WE HAVE ZONING THAT DOESN'T MATCH UP WITH THE MASTER PLAN OR A MASTER PLAN THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATCH UP WITH WHAT A DEVELOPER WANTS TO DO, THEN THEY GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS AND THIS IS THIS IS THE START OF IT.

SO YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING HERE, BECAUSE Y'ALL'S INPUT IN THIS PROCESS IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR US AND ALSO FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO VOTE, ON IT AT P&Z AND COUNCIL.

SO, THE PROCESS IS BECAUSE IT'S AG ZONING TO DO ANYTHING, YOU HAVE TO GET A REZONING TO SOMETHING COMPLIANT WITH THE MASTER PLAN.

THE PROBLEM HERE IS THE MASTER PLAN HAS IT ALL OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

MY THOUGHT IS, AND I THINK MOST OF YOU AGREE OFFICE COMMERCIAL ON THAT 21 ACRES WOULD BASICALLY CLEARCUT THE WHOLE SITE.

YOU'D HAVE A SEA OF PARKING. IT'S AN INCREDIBLY INTENSE USE OF THE SITE.

WE FEEL LIKE GOING MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL OR MY PREFERENCE IS ALL RESIDENTIAL.

KIND OF PUTS IT IN A BETTER POSITION WHERE WE CAN USE THE CHARACTER OF THE SITE, PRESERVE MORE TREES, AND DO SOMETHING THAT'S FAR LESS INTENSE BOTH ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOUTHLAKE AT LARGE.

OKAY, SO TO FOLLOW UP THAT I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL OF TRYING TO GET HIM TO JUST LEAVE IT AG WHICH THAT WOULD BE ALL OF OUR PREFERENCE, RIGHT? BUT HOW DO WE GET THAT IN FRONT OF THEM WITH NO ACCESS EXCEPT FOR EMERGENCIES TO 114.

SO PEOPLE CAN'T CUT THROUGH AND SCRAP WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE IN FRONT OF THEM.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN FRONT OF P&Z.

SO IF AGAIN, THERE'S A MILLION THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE FULLY ON BOARD WITH EVERYTHING, BUT IF THE DIRECTIONAL KIND OF INPUT WE GET IS FROM YOU GUYS IS LET'S GO RESIDENTIAL, I REALLY NEED YOU GUYS TO PROVIDE THAT INPUT TO P&Z AND TO COUNCIL.

AND BECAUSE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE, IT'S MADE UP OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AND P&Z MEMBERS.

BUT IT'S NOT BINDING. THEY'RE NOT TAKING ANY VOTES. THAT WAS JUST SORT OF THEIR DIRECTION TO US IS HEY, WE THINK THIS MAKES SENSE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

SO AGAIN GETTING INPUT, THINKING ABOUT IT MORE WE WOULD LIKE TO YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING WHAT THEY ASKED.

BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO PIVOT TO AN ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN.

WE'LL NEED Y'ALL'S INPUT TO HELP WITH THAT. IS THAT ALSO EXCUSE ME, DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE LIKE A VERY LARGE WALL TO KEEP NOISE? YES. WE WOULD BE PUTTING A WALL IN ALONG 114.

THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ANY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, SOME A THOROUGHFARE LIKE THAT OR EVEN BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. I JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS THE AG COMMENT A LITTLE BIT.

WHAT HAPPENS IS, WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN THE LAND WAS INCORPORATED BY THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, IT WAS ASSIGNED AG AS KIND OF A HOLDING PATTERN.

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IT'S JUST PUT INTO AG UNTIL IT'S TIME THAT SOMEONE WANTS TO DEVELOP A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THEN THEY COME AND APPLY FOR ZONING. THE MASTER LAND USE PLAN IS UPDATED EVERY 5 TO 10 YEARS, AND THAT IS VOTED ON BY THE P&Z AND THE CITY COUNCIL AS TO WHAT THEIR VISION IS FOR THE UNDEVELOPED AREAS OF THE CITY THAT THEY FEEL IT SHOULD BE DONE. THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS OFFICE COMMERCIAL ON THE MASTER LAND USE PLAN FOR A LONG, LONG TIME BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT ALONG THE FREEWAY.

WELL, IT DIDN'T USED TO BE FREEWAY. IT USED TO BE A TWO LANE ROAD.

RIGHT? VERY TRUE. WHEN WE MOVE. ANYBODY ELSE? I'D BE HAPPY TO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

SO, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, I GUESS, WHERE THOSE SIX LOTS ARE.

YES. MY PROPERTY BUTTS UP TO THAT. SO WHAT'S GOING TO BE? ARE Y'ALL GOING TO PUT A LIKE IS IT JUST GOING TO BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE OR ARE YOU GOING TO PUT FENCE OR WHAT.

YEAH. THERE'LL BE A FENCE, PROBABLY MASONRY. WELL WE DON'T YOU DON'T PUT MASONRY BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

THESE LOTS WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE AS YOUR LOTS.

AND IF THERE'S AN EXISTING WOOD FENCE THERE, YOU KNOW, WE TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE TALK WITH THE EXISTING PEOPLE AND WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT IF IT'S A FENCE THAT NEEDS REPLACED ALL THE WAY, THEN TYPICALLY THAT'S WHAT'S DONE WHEN THOSE HOMES ARE.

Y'ALL DO THAT OR YOU? YEAH, YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT THAT FENCE LINES.

OKAY. BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TREES THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE BECAUSE IT BUFFERS THE SOUND I MEAN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN.

WE MOVED THERE AND IT WAS A TWO LANE. 114 WAS JUST A TWO LANE HIGHWAY.

WE LIVED THERE 27, 28 YEARS. SO WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IS I WANT TO HAVE ARE YOU DO YOU PLAN ON PUTTING IN GREENERY OR HAVE A GREEN? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, LIKE A GREEN, LIKE A BUFFER OR GREEN BELT.

YEAH. BETWEEN THOSE SIX LOTS AND FOX GLEN. THE ANSWER IS I DON'T KNOW.

THERE'S GOING TO BE. THERE'S A LOT OF TREES THERE NOW YOU COULD.

YEAH. AND THERE'S UTILITY EASEMENT. WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.

WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. AS FAR AS PART OF THE LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION PLAN.

I, WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME IN AND JUST CLEAR CUT AND PUT UP A NEW FENCE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

I FULLY UNDERSTAND. WHERE THE POWER LINES GO, SO YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO.

YEAH. SO I MEAN, OUR MAIN CONCERN ON ALL THE FOX GLEN IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A GREENBELT, YOU KNOW, IN BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THE NEW PROPERTY, NOT JUST A BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. SO WE CAN WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT. AND WE PREFER RESIDENTIAL AS OPPOSED.

I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T WANTED THAT. WE WOULD PREFER ALL RESIDENTIAL AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

YEAH I AGREE. OKAY, OKAY. CAN YOU, CAN YOU BACK UP TO B AND A ON THERE.

YES, SIR. FOR A MINUTE JUST TO SEE. LET'S GO TO A.

THE ONE THAT SHOWED IT COMING STRAIGHT THROUGH. THERE'S STILL A BARRIER. I'M JOHN SPIER I'M WITH FOX HOLLOW NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

WE'RE ON FOX GLEN. THE THREE OF US HERE SO. YES, SIR.

WE SOME OF THE HOMES BACK UP TO THAT LOT. MINE DOES NOT.

BUT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF EVERYBODY, CAN YOU GO TO B AGAIN? I'M SORRY. OKAY. AS IT RELATES TO FOX GLEN, THEY'RE ALL THE SAME.

OKAY. AND THAT ROAD IN THE MIDDLE, THAT STREET.

YOU'RE SAYING IT'S BLOCKED OFF AT ONE END OR SOMETHING? OR IS THERE EGRESS FROM 114 SERVICE ROAD TO SHADY OAKS? IT COULD BE ONE OF THE. ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE IS THAT FROM THIS POINT TO THE NORTH, WE CAN'T ACCESS THE FRONTAGE ROAD. IT'S A NON ACCESS POINT FROM TXDOT OKAY.

THIS IS THE FIRST PLACE WE COULD DO IT. WE COULD ACCESS IT ANYWHERE FROM HERE TO HERE.

OKAY. THIS WAS KIND OF OUR FIRST BLUSH AT IT.

THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT A DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC.

YES, THAT'S. THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN HERE, WHICH IS WHY WE KIND OF CAME TO THIS THOUGHT THAT NUMBER ONE IT WOULD BE A MORE CIRCUITOUS ROUTE. OKAY. AND NUMBER TWO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE MAKE THIS AN EMERGENCY ONLY ACCESS.

SO IT CAN'T BE. I THINK WE WOULD VOTE FOR THAT PLAN.

IS THAT A FOUR WAY STOP SIGN OR JUST STOPPING FOR THE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS THAT ENTER RIGHT THERE? YEAH. TWO WAY, NOT FOUR WAY. OKAY. LET ME SEE WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD.

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WHAT IS THAT GOING TO BE, OR DO WE KNOW YET, OR IS THAT? SO THAT'S MASTER PLAN IS COMMERCIAL AS WELL. OKAY.

I WANT TO SAY IT'S ALREADY BEEN ZONED, BUT I'M NOT 100% SURE.

NO, IT REMAINS AG AS WELL. BUT THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY IS EXPLORING.

IS THAT SHIVERS TOO? NO. NO. NO THAT IS THAT WAS NEVER SHIVERS.

THAT WAS NORTH OF THAT. AND IT WAS THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY ALSO OWNED WHERE THE BANK IS RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. AND THEY SOLD YOU KNOW, IT WAS KIND OF A TRIANGULAR PIECE.

THEY SOLD THE TOP PORTION TO THE BANK SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN THAT CAME THROUGH.

CORRECT. AND THEY RETAINED THIS, YOU KNOW, CENTER AREA THERE.

BUT THEY'RE EXPLORING TO DO AN OFFICE ON THERE. BUT I, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE TINY TIP THAT COMES DOWN TO DOVE ON WHERE THE CREEK IS AND THE BEAVERS WERE HANGING OUT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY LEFT TOWN ALREADY OR NOT, BUT THAT LITTLE PARCEL SOLD.

DO WE KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT LITTLE PIECE DOWN? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE. RIGHT HERE? YES, YES.

THAT'S ALL FLOODPLAIN. OKAY. NOTHING'S EVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT SOMEONE BOUGHT IT RECENTLY. I UNDERSTAND THAT WAS WEIRD.

DID THEY? I KNOW THE CITY CONSIDERED BUYING IT FOR A WHILE.

YEAH. I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S A THERE'S A BIG DRAINAGE.

THAT WHOLE CREEK GOING DOWN, SHADY OAKS GOES THROUGH THERE.

OKAY. I PROBABLY SPEAK FOR. I THINK THERE'S OTHER 18 HOMES ON OUR STREET.

WE CERTAINLY WANT RESIDENTIAL OVER OFFICE. SO IF YOU ALL CAN MAKE MONEY ON THE HOUSES THERE, ON THOSE LOTS, THAT'S FANTASTIC, I THINK. AND I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE AS DOVE COMES DOWN TO 114.

I'M OFF BASE HERE, BUT WE NEED THAT TO BE A MANDATORY RIGHT TURN LANE.

I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR. I CAN'T TELL YOU THERE WILL BE 14 CARS BACKED UP WITH ONE CAR.

THAT ONE IS GOING TO.

OH, AS OPPOSED TO IT'S SITTING AT THE LIGHT HAVING TO SIT AT THE LIGHT.

YOU HAVE 90%, 95% OF THE TRAFFIC TURNS RIGHT.

BUT ONE PERSON NOT KNOWING. WELL YES. YES. AND WE'RE ALL WE'RE ALL WAITING FOR THAT PERSON SPEWING THE FUMES INTO THE AIR.

AND IT'S ABSURD. AND A FEW TIMES I GO AROUND THEM AND SHOOT ONTO THE SERVICE ROAD JUST TO KIND OF GET TO WHERE I NEED TO GO.

WELL, I'LL CERTAINLY BRING THAT UP, BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON.

I JUST WANT TO THROW IT OUT THERE. THE POWER OF LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS, UNFORTUNATELY, PALES IN COMPARISON TO TEXAS DOT'S BUREAUCRACY.

SO I'LL TELL YOU THIS MUCH. IF A SPRAY PAINTED RIGHT TURN SHOWS UP IN THE, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ME.

GOT IT? GOOD THOUGHTS. THANK YOU.

HI. I'M TONY GONCALVES, AND WE WOULD BE DIRECTLY OPPOSITE THAT STREET THAT WAS ON ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN A.

SO, THIS ONE. SO, THIS ONE WE REALLY DON'T LIKE BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE HEADLIGHTS HITTING OUR BEDROOM AND LIVING ROOM ALL DAY LONG. AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING UP WITH THE ALTERNATIVE.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK WHICH IS ON PLAN C, THERE IS THE BENEFIT OF REMOVING A CUT THROUGH THE NEW RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. BUT IT ALSO MEANS IT FUNNELS 100% OF THE TRAFFIC THROUGH SHADY OAKS VERSUS HAVING SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CHOOSING TO ACCESS FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND SOME OF IT CHOOSING.

AND IN PLAN B, YOU'VE MADE THE CUT OUT REALLY CONVENIENT FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO CUT ACROSS.

AND WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF THERE'S A WAY TO I MEAN, I'LL ASK ONE QUESTION, WHICH I KIND OF KNOW THE ANSWER TO, WHICH IS IF YOU WERE TO MAKE THE SHADY OAKS ENTRANCE, THE EMERGENCY ENTRANCE, AND MAKE THE FRONTAGE ROAD THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE, THAT WOULD BE PREFERABLE. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY, AS DEVELOPERS, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE HOMEOWNERS.

BUT I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS A PLAN THAT DOESN'T MAKE THE CUT OUT AS CONVENIENT AS IT IS IN PLAN A, BUT MAINTAINS BOTH THE SHADY OAKS ENTRANCE AND A AND A LEGITIMATE ENTRANCE ON 114 SO THAT WE DON'T FUNNEL ALL THE TRAFFIC THROUGH SHADY OAKS. WELL, WITH THE MODERN GATE TECHNOLOGY, YOU CAN DETERMINE WHO GETS TO GO IN AND OUT OF THE GATE.

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BUT OTHER TRAFFIC PEOPLE THAT LIVE FURTHER DOWN SHADY OAKS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THERE BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT GATE.

SO. SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HAVING A GATE AT THE SHADY OAKS ENTRANCE AS WELL? NO, JUST AT THE AT THE FREEWAY. JUST RIGHT. SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS MAKING THIS NOT EMERGENCY ONLY, BUT ACTUALLY AN EXIT FOR, FOR SHADY OAKS. AND WHAT CURTIS IS SAYING IS MAYBE WE LOOK INTO SOME SORT OF RESIDENT ONLY ACCESS THROUGH HERE, WHERE IT'S NOT A CUT THROUGH FOR RANDOM TRAFFIC, BUT RESIDENTS CAN GET OUT THAT WAY IF THEY WANTED.

AM I MISTAKEN? ISN'T MAKING THIS A GATED COMMUNITY GOOD FOR THE VALUE OF THE REAL ESTATE? I MEAN, ISN'T IT AN ADVANTAGE TO HAVE GATES ON BOTH SIDES? THERE'S ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES. WE COULD REQUEST THAT IT BE GATED.

SOME OF THE VOTERS LIKE GATED COMMUNITIES. SOME DON'T.

I WILL SAY SO I WAS I WAS ON COUNCIL FOR TEN YEARS, AND, AND GATES WERE ODDLY CONTROVERSIAL.

I DID NOT EXPECT THAT. BUT EVERY TIME A GATE'S PROPOSED, THERE'S A LOT OF HOT SPORTS OPINIONS ABOUT THEM.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO EXPLORE, THEN I WOULD MAKE THAT COMMENT AT P&Z AND COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE OKAY WITH A GATE THAT CLOSES DOWN ACCESS, ETC.

WE'RE OKAY LOOKING AT IT. I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T.

THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? I MEAN, EVEN WITHOUT A GATE, SINCE THAT'S A ONE WAY FRONTAGE ROAD, YOU COULD CHANGE THE ENTRANCE.

EXCUSE ME? THE EGRESS SO THAT YOU COULDN'T ACTUALLY GET IN.

DO YOU MIND COMING DOWN TO THE MIC? SO JUST SO THE VIDEO CAN CAPTURE YOUR COMMENTS? THIS IS A GOOD QUESTION. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO, LIKE, YOU COULD MAKE THE EGRESS. THAT'S REALLY LOUD.

ON 114 SO THAT YOU COULDN'T ACTUALLY COME IN.

RIGHT. TURN RIGHT. SO IT REALLY IS ONLY AN EXIT? YEAH. EVEN WITHOUT A GATE? YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

EXACTLY. YEAH, IT COULD BE AN EMERGENCY AND RESIDENT ONLY GATE.

RIGHT ON 114. THERE'S NO REASON. RIGHT. LIKE YOU JUST COULDN'T GET IN THAT WAY, RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK WE WANT TO AVOID THIS BECOMING CONVENIENT.

CUT THROUGH FOR RANDOMS. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. AND WE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO BE SELLING A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS CARS CUT THROUGH IT.

SO. YEAH. YEAH. SO WHY DON'T WE LOOK INTO WHAT WE CAN DO ON A GATE STANDPOINT OKAY.

AND WHILE I'M HERE, I VOTE FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW, TO THAT POINT, IT SEEMS SO FAR.

ANYWAY, KIND OF UNANIMOUS ON THAT. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE VOTING PEOPLE AT P&Z AND CITY COUNCIL FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR PREFERENCE IN THAT REGARD, KNOWN EITHER BY WRITING AN OR COMING TO THE MEETINGS AND SAYING, WE LIKE THE ALL RESIDENTIAL, PLEASE PLAN PLEASE.

YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION IS, BASED ON JUST COMING TO SOME OF THE MEETINGS REGARDING WHEN THE BANK WAS BEING BUILT AND THE DISCUSSIONS, REALLY INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT I WALKED AWAY WITH. AND I GUESS, WHAT IS THE REALISTIC CHANCE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE TRYING FIRST TO GET RESIDENTIAL, WHICH ISN'T EVEN THEIR PREFERENCE.

AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING ALL RESIDENTIAL COMPARED TO WHAT YOU TOLD ME OR WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, WAS THAT THEY HAD SUGGESTED THAT YOU DO SOME RETAIL.

SO IS THAT REALLY EVEN. IT'S REALISTIC. YES OR NO? NO, IT IS SO. SO THE WAY THIS IS, THE WAY I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS IS THE FOLKS WITH THE WITH THE MOST AT STAKE HERE WITH KIND OF THE MOST TO GAIN OR LOSE BY THIS, THIS BEING A GREAT DEVELOPMENT.

ARE THE OWNERS, THE DEVELOPERS AND YOU GUYS, THE NEIGHBORS.

WHEN COUNCIL HEARS FROM YOU GUYS AND FROM US THAT, HEY, WE UNDERSTAND COMMENTS ABOUT WANTING TO GO COMMERCIAL.

WE KNOW THAT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN. WE THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT DEVELOPMENT. WE WOULD ALL PREFER RESIDENTIAL. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE PERSUASIVE. SO I THINK IT'S VERY REALISTIC. YES. OKAY.

IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN THE TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY BASED ON COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL OR NOT? FOR SOME. FOR SOME COMMERCIAL, YES. LIKE RETAIL.

COMMERCIAL WHERE THEY GET SALES TAX. BUT THIS IS NOT RETAIL COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL. SO, THESE DAYS IN A LOT OF CITIES, COMMERCIAL IS MORE TAX REVENUE IN SOUTHLAKE BECAUSE OF THE VALUE OF THE RESIDENTIAL, THE AD VALOREM TAXES ARE PRETTY HIGH. YEAH. SO YEAH, PARTIALLY DEPENDS ON THE INTENSITY OF THE COMMERCIAL.

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I'M GREG KRAUSS AT 596 GARDEN COURT. JUST A COUPLE OF PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS TO EDUCATE THE AUDIENCE.

YOU KNOW, ANY PROJECT LIKE THIS, IT'S THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS.

AND SO WE'RE TALKING CONCEPTS. SO MAYBE WALK THROUGH.

AND A LOT OF US EXPERIENCED REAL DISAPPOINTMENT IN HOW THIS BANK ULTIMATELY GOT DEVELOPED AND, AND WHAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO DO AND WHAT THEY DID AND DIDN'T DO AND SO FORTH.

AND SO ARE WE HERE TONIGHT, REALLY, TO JUST TALK A CONCEPTUAL PLAN? WE DON'T REALLY GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, OR ARE WE OPEN TO ASK MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? YEAH. SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. LET ME ANSWER IT BY SAYING YES, BOTH.

A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. CONCEPTUALLY, AGAIN, THE GOAL IS FEEDBACK FROM EVERYBODY ON RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL.

THAT SEEMS TO BE FAIRLY UNANIMOUS. AS FAR AS DETAILS GO THERE, THERE ARE DETAILS THAT WE HAVE YET TO YET TO FLESH OUT JUST BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL ONLY PLAN, I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, AS OLD AS LIKE LAST FRIDAY.

SO, SO BECAUSE WE WERE KIND OF GOING IN ONE DIRECTION, WE GOT OUR ENGINEERING IN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

BUT BASED ON FEEDBACK, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO AT LEAST EXPLORE THIS.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE SAID NO, YOU KNOW, LET'S LET'S KEEP GOING THE WAY Y'ALL ARE GOING, HONESTLY, WE WOULD HAVE JUST PROBABLY KEPT DOING THAT.

BUT BASED ON THIS, THERE'S STILL ENGINEERING AND THERE'S STILL SOME, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. SO THERE'S DETAILS. YOU HAVE TO COME. SO THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WAS CONCEPTUAL. BUT IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC DETAILS ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THAT YOU WANT TO SEE, AND WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TONIGHT, THEN WE'LL GET THEM IN THE DUE COURSE OF TIME.

BUT BASED ON THIS FEEDBACK AGAIN, UNLESS IT CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO GET GOING ON THE SECONDARY FULLY FLESHED OUT PLAN TO PRESENT TO P&Z AND COUNCIL.

YEAH. SO I THINK YOU'RE HEARING PRETTY CLEARLY FROM BOTH OF THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE THE MOST AT STAKE HERE THAT AN ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN IS STRONGLY PREFERRED. I THINK WHAT YOU'LL ALSO HEAR IS A REAL SENSITIVITY, AND WHAT DREW A LOT OF US TO THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION WAS THE NATURAL FOREST HERE, AND TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THAT AS OPPOSED TO A MASS GRADING, YOU KNOW, A REAL DETAILED CREATE A BUILDING ENVELOPE THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME TREES REMOVED, BUT TRYING TO MAINTAIN TREES IN THE FRONT AND BACKYARDS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AND SO IT'S THAT SORT OF DETAIL THAT I GUESS IS THAT AT PLANNING AND ZONING, IS THAT AT CITY COUNCIL? IS THAT WORKING WITH YOUR CLIENTS? WHERE DOES THAT FIT INTO THE MIX? WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE ALWAYS REQUIRED TO LOOK AT THE TREES WHEN WE DO A PROCESS HERE, THERE'S KIND OF TWO LEVELS OF TREE PLANS. THERE'S A THERE'S A TREE PRESERVATION ANALYSIS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A TREE SURVEY YET, WHICH IS OUR CASE HERE. WE DON'T HAVE A TREE SURVEY, AND IT WOULD BE A PRETTY MASSIVE SURVEY WITH ALL THOSE TREES.

SO WE CAN JUST KIND OF APPROXIMATE ON THAT. BUT THE CITY HAS CERTAIN PRECEPTS THAT THEY WANT YOU TO MEET.

IF YOU HAVE YOU KNOW, A MASS COVERAGE OF TREES LIKE THIS, THEN THE PERCENTAGE OF THEM THEY WANT YOU TO SAVE IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN IF YOU JUST HAVE A FEW TREES. THEY WANT YOU TO SAVE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THEM.

SO THAT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT WE SUBMIT THOSE PLANS.

AND THOSE ARE ANALYZED BY THE ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE LANDSCAPE DEPARTMENT.

SO WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF A LITTLE BIT LOWER, JUST GIVEN YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS SITE, JUST TO PIN YOU DOWN A LITTLE BIT. I THINK IT'S, I THINK, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT I THINK IT'S LIKE 30% OF THE TREES IS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO SAVE WHEN IT'S OVER 80% COVERED WITH TREES? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF IT'S BETWEEN 60 AND 80%, IT MAY GO TO 40%.

IF IT'S BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, 40 AND 60%, IT MAY GO TO 50%.

IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WE'LL LOOK INTO IT BEFORE WE.

I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I'LL SAY, GREG, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE I THINK OUR INTERESTS ARE ALIGNED IN THIS IN THE SENSE THAT THE BETTER WE PRESERVE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, THE MORE FRANKLY, THE MORE VALUABLE THE LOTS ARE.

SO YEAH, HAVE AN INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THIS IS A SPECIAL THING THAT'S NOT MASQUERADING AND NOT WHICH IS HONESTLY PART OF THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO GO RESIDENTIAL,

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YEAH. WELL, WE APPRECIATE THAT THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE HAD A MASSIVE TASK WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO ANTICIPATE LAND USE, BUT IS, AS WE LOOK AT HOW SHADY OAKS HAS EVOLVED AS A PRETTY SPECIAL RESIDENTIAL CORRIDOR, AND YOU LOOK AT THE VALUE OF THE HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR HOPE.

AND LOOK, YOU'VE GOT THE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING SERVED FOR A DECADE THAT OUR CITY LEADERS ARE GOING TO REALLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE, THIS IS NOT A GREAT COMMERCIAL SITE.

YOU KNOW, ANY REAL ESTATE PERSON WOULD EXPECT IT.

SO YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THESE OFFICE CONDOS, LIKE YOU SAID, WITH A C OF SURFACE PARKING.

SO, IT'S CLEAR CUTTING UNSIGHTLY FROM 114. AND, AND IT REALLY DESTROYS SORT OF THE GATEWAY TO THIS RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT EXTENDS DOWN DOVE AND SHADY OAKS. SO, I MEAN, FOR THE RECORD, I HOPE THAT OUR CITY LEADERS ARE CONSIDERING THAT MAYBE THEIR ORIGINAL DESIGNATION OF LAND USE HERE WAS NOT FULLY THOUGHT OUT.

THEY LOOKED AT THE FREEWAY, BUT THEY REALLY DIDN'T LOOK AT THE BACK AREA, WHICH IS WHAT WE ALL HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN.

YEAH. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THANKS. THANKS, GREG.

IS THAT THE PLAN I SEE? YEAH, I'M BEN ALLEN, AND WE'RE AT 601 GARDEN COURT.

WE, I THINK, PROBABLY BOUGHT OUR LOT IN 93 OR SO SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT TIME.

AND AS GREG SAID, IT'S PROBABLY IN THE DETAIL TIME NECESSARILY, BUT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A RESPONSE OR AT LEAST HAVE IT.

WHOEVER VIEWS THE VIDEO THAT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO US PULLING OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR GOING DOWN SOUTH LAKE, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT A LITTLE BIT, THAT THE RETENTION POND WOULD BE MORE THAN A MUD PIT IN THE SUMMER. THERE'S PLENTY OF EXAMPLES DOWN CONTINENTAL AROUND TIMBERON OF THINGS THAT COULD BE ATTRACTIVE FOR WATER FEATURE, AND THAT WE COULD ENHANCE THE LOOK OF SHADY OAKS AND EVERYONE DRIVING DOWN THERE WITH SOME STONEWORK AND SOME DIFFERENT THINGS, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED. WE TALKED ABOUT THE BARRIER, THE WALL ON 114. ANY OF US THAT TRAVEL AROUND GO TO DIFFERENT CITIES IN ATLANTA OR WHATEVER, AND YOU SEE THAT THING IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE 12FT AT LEAST. IT CAN'T BE A SIX FOOT. IT CAN'T BE AN EIGHT FOOT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL SOUND BARRIER TO GIVE THE NEW CUSTOMERS ANY TYPE OF PRIVACY. AND OUR LOT HAPPENS TO OUR BACKYARD, HAPPENS TO BACK UP.

AND WE HEAR, AS DO A LOT OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WE NEIGHBORS HEAR, WE HEAR A LOT OF NOISE.

AND IT'S JUST SAD TO THINK, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MORE NOISE IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THOSE TREES GET, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD HOUSES WITHOUT TAKING OUT A LOT OF TREES.

I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN. TREES ARE GOING TO DIE. YOU KNOW, SUBCONTRACTORS AREN'T GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THEM, AND THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN, EVEN TO THE BEST OF YOUR PLAN. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE GIVEN THOUGHT TO THAT.

AND WE'LL CERTAINLY RESPOND TO THAT TO THE PROPER PEOPLE, BUT THANK YOU.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU SIR. SORRY. ONE MORE QUESTION.

YES, SIR. SO JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE PARTIES HERE.

YOU GUYS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ARE REPRESENTING THE CURRENT LANDOWNERS.

CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE DOING THE HORIZONTAL IMPROVEMENTS, PUTTING IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE STREETS, UTILITIES AND SO FORTH. YES, SIR. WHAT IS THE CURRENT PLAN IN TERMS OF SELECTING BUILDERS.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY DO THE VERTICAL HOME BUILDING CONSTRUCTION.

SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE HAVEN'T BEGUN TO EXPLORE IT, BUT THE PRICE POINTS OF THESE LOTS MEAN THIS IS GOING TO BE SOME OF THE BEST CUSTOM BUILDERS IN WHAT I WOULD SAY THE DFW AREA, PROBABLY A LOT OF THE NAMES THAT YOU RECOGNIZE FROM DRIVING AROUND SOUTHLAKE WHO DO SIMILAR WORK.

IT'S THE PRICE POINT OF THE LOTS KIND OF PUTS YOU INTO THE CUSTOM WORLD.

AND SO, SO I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF NAMES THAT YOU RECOGNIZE IS MY ANTICIPATION.

BUT TO BE HONEST, WE HAVE WE HAVEN'T REALLY EXPLORED IT YET. AND DO YOU HAVE, I MEAN, DO YOU OR YOUR CLIENTS HAVE, FROM A CONCEPTUAL STANDPOINT, ANY RECENTLY DEVELOPED TRACKS AROUND SOUTH LAKE THAT WE SHOULD WE COULD JUST

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WE'VE GOT ONE WORKING THROUGH UP ON DOVE, BUT IT'S JUST THERE'S NOTHING UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, CRESCENT HEIGHTS IS A LARGER DEVELOPMENT AT THE, YOU KNOW, SOUTH END OF SHADY OAKS DRIVE THAT WE DID A FEW YEARS AGO, THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT COMPARABLE TO THE KIND OF HOMES.

IS THAT THE STACY LAND AND ALL THAT BACK THERE? YEAH. THE ENTRY RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE MARK. YEAH.

SHADY OAKS. GREAT. OKAY. THANKS. AND WE'LL KEEP YOU GUYS UPDATED AS THE BUILDER SELECTION GOES.

ALL I KNOW IS THAT IS THAT MOST OF THE CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS YOU KNOW, AROUND HERE ARE ASKING ME ON ALMOST A DAILY BASIS IF THERE'S SOME MORE LOTS FOR THEM. SO THEY'RE INTERESTED. YES, SIR.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO REITERATE SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY GREG MENTIONED ON LAST NIGHT'S CALL, WHICH IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD WORK IN SOME WALKING TRAILS INTO THIS PLAN, PERHAPS ALONG SHADY OAKS, MAYBE ALONGSIDE, YOU KNOW, THE WATER DRAINAGE ROUTE OR SOME, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS BOTH THE NEW RESIDENTS AND THE EXISTING RESIDENTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE LANDSCAPING THAT YOU'RE DOING TO KIND OF REALLY ENJOY THE ENVIRONMENT WITH SOME WALKING TRAILS? ABSOLUTELY. WE WOULD BE PUTTING A TRAIL. IT DOESN'T IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS PLAN BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOT THERE YET.

BUT WE WOULD HAVE A TRAIL ALONG SHADY OAKS, OUR SIDE OF THE STREET, AND IT WOULD CONNECT IN AT LEAST AT A MINIMUM WITH OUR ROADS, SIDEWALKS ON EITHER SIDE OF OUR INTERNAL STREETS.

SO YES. AND OBVIOUSLY OTHER PEOPLE CAN USE THOSE TRAILS AS WELL.

A RESIDENT ON FOX GLEN AND I'M REAL CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE TREES.

IT'S VERY DENSE. OUR PROPERTY, OUR LOT WAS VERY DENSE WITH TREES, BUT WE MANAGED TO SAVE A TON OF TREES.

AND I'M JUST. IS THERE A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT ON SQUARE FOOTAGE? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING LIKE THAT? BECAUSE IF IT'S GOING TO BE I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CLEAR A LOT OF TREES TO GET A HOUSE THERE, BUT YOU CAN ALSO DO IT GOOD. I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO BE REAL CAREFUL.

WELL, THIS IS NOT. WELL, CURTIS, HERE WE GO. YEAH WE DO.

O THE ENVELOPES FOR THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE GOING TO BE ORIENTED CLOSER TO THE MIDDLE, MAYBE THE FRONT PART OF THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT, SO THAT THE PRESERVATION IS MEANT TO.

WHAT SIZE ARE THOSE LOTS AGAIN? THOSE ARE ALL 20,000 HALF ACRES.

OKAY. THEY'RE ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE YOURS. YEAH.

I MEAN, BECAUSE I'M LIKE, RIGHT THERE. AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FENCE TOO.

SURE. MINIMUM EIGHT FOOT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOR PRIVACY AND LIKE.

AND Y'ALL WOULD BE PUTTING THOSE IN IF? THE DEVELOPER WILL PUT IN THE FENCING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE LOTS.

YES. I KNOW SOME HOMES HAVE THEM ALREADY ON THERE AND SOME ARE LIKE, WE DON'T WE JUST HAVE THE BARBED WIRE FENCE THAT WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS THERE.

RIGHT. BECAUSE WE ENJOY THE NATURE, THAT'S, THAT WE SEE.

OF COURSE. SEE THIS IS A COMMON THING THAT WE RUN ACROSS WHEN DEVELOPING NEXT TO EXISTING HOMES.

WHAT YOU DON'T WANT IS TWO FENCES BACK TO BACK EACH OTHER.

SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS WE TRY TO GET WITH EACH AND EVERY HOMEOWNER AND SEE, DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR FENCE? WE'LL HOOK INTO IT. DO YOU WANT A BRAND NEW FENCE? WE'LL BUILD A BRAND NEW FENCE ACROSS HERE AND IT'LL BE CONSISTENT HOPEFULLY.

IT'D BE NICE. WE PREFER ALWAYS FOR IT TO BE CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS.

OKAY. I'M JUST, WE JUST ENJOY THE NATURE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF NATURE THERE.

I MEAN, A LOT OF DIFFERENT ANIMALS, AND THOSE WILL ALL PROBABLY GO AWAY.

OBVIOUSLY. HOPEFULLY NOT ALL. HOPEFULLY NOT ALL.

WELL, SOME OF THE ONES I SEE WILL, DEFINITELY WILL.

BUT I'M JUST REALLY MY BIG MAIN, MAIN CONCERN.

AND I'M SURE EVERYONE ELSE THAT LIVES RIGHT NEXT TO US IS THAT WE JUST NEED TO KEEP THAT AS GREEN AS POSSIBLE.

THAT GREEN BELT IN BETWEEN WE COULD DO LIKE A TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. I MEAN, TO PRESERVE THE TREES AS MUCH BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE SOMEONE SAID, THAT'S WHAT'S THE APPEAL. IF YOU'VE DRIVEN OFF DOVE TO SHADY OAKS THE APPEAL OF THAT.

THERE'S NOT VERY MANY ENTRANCES OR STREETS THAT LOOK LIKE THAT.

THAT'S RIGHT. PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED IN SOUTHLAKE FOREVER COME TO OUR HOUSE AND GO I'VE NEVER EVEN KNEW THIS WAS HERE, THIS IS BEAUTIFUL. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY UNIQUE AND I

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SO YOUR INTERESTS ARE ALIGNED. AND ONE THING THAT WE COULD PERHAPS PROPOSE IS A TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT ALONG THE BACK OF THOSE LOTS THAT WOULD ALLOW, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US ON FOX GLEN, WE'LL BE BUTTING WE'RE THE ONLY HOMES THAT WILL BE BUTTING UP TO OTHER HOMES.

EVERYBODY ELSE IS JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM.

BUT I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO PERSONALLY AFFECT US, SO.

OF COURSE. YEAH, YEAH. GOOD THOUGHTS. I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A WAY A WAY AROUND THIS, BUT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE MEETINGS AT THE WITH THE BANK AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL RESOLUTIONS WERE, BUT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE KIND OF A BUFFER OF THE TREES FACING SHADY OAKS, AND THEY ENDED UP TAKING JUST ABOUT ALL OF THEM DOWN AND PUTTING UP TWO INCH TWIGS.

I MEAN, AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND ONCE ANYTHING'S GETTING BUILT, THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO ONCE SOMEBODY CUTS A TREE DOWN.

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW AND HOW THE RESIDENTS GET MORE INVOLVED IN WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS, BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO SIT IN THE COUNCIL AND SAY, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A TEN FEET BARRIER, LEAVE WHAT'S HERE.

AND THEN ONE DAY YOU COME AND THEY'RE GONE. WELL, AND HONESTLY, THAT'S WHY WE WENT BACK WITH THE 40 FOOT BECAUSE I THINK THE BANK HAD 20 FOOT? YEAH. THE BANK HAD 20FT. YEAH. WHATEVER IT IS THEY DIDN'T DO IN MY OPINION, DIDN'T DO WHAT I LISTENED TO.

YEAH. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, I RUN BY THERE EVERY DAY JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME AND WALK.

AND IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, NOW WE'RE COMING.

GO DOWN TO MIKE'S NURSERY AND PUT IN A COUPLE NEW THAT'S RIGHT.

WELL. AND THAT'S RIGHT. NATURAL AND BE DONE 100%.

WELL AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO SUGGEST FAR MORE TREE THAN THE EXPERIENCE YOU GUYS HAVE HAD.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. I'M BOBBIE RECORDS AT 594 GARDEN COURT, AND I'M WONDERING IF ANYONE HAS PROPOSED A GREEN ZONE THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT THE WILDLIFE CAN AT LEAST BE PRESERVED AT SOME IN SOME WAY.

I SEE YOU'VE GOT A SMALL GREEN ZONE COMING THROUGH AND ON THE FRONT, BUT I THINK FOX GLEN'S RIGHT.

IF YOU COULD MANAGE A PERMANENT GREEN ZONE. YEAH.

AND THEN CUT A GREEN ZONE THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU WOULD INCREASE THE VALUE OF YOUR HOMES, RIGHT? AND ALSO MAINTAIN AS MUCH WILDLIFE AS POSSIBLE.

HAS ANYONE DONE OR DO THEY PLAN TO DO ANY KIND OF WILDLIFE SURVEY? I DOUBT WE'RE GOING TO DO A WILDLIFE. WELL, TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THAT IS. THE NUMBER AND TYPE OF ANIMALS AND BIRDS THAT ARE IN THERE. THERE ARE OWLS, THERE ARE HAWKS.

YEAH. DEER. WE HAVE DEER IN THERE. WE HAVE BOBCATS.

OF COURSE, ALL THE USUAL AND CUSTOMARY SMALL.

YEAH. BUT COYOTES. YES. THERE JUST ARE NOT. THERE'S JUST NOT A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO.

UNLESS YOU. RIGHT. HAVE A GREEN ZONE ON THE BACK OF FOX GLEN, AND THEN YOU HAVE A GREEN ZONE THAT CUTS THROUGH.

RIGHT? AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES IN THE MISSOURI CITY AREA AND PARTICULARLY IN SIENNA. THEY HAVE CREATED GREEN ZONES THAT HAVE NOT REDUCED THE FINANCIAL IMPACT ON HOUSES THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT MAINTAINS LIKE THAT 20 TO 40 FOOT GREEN ZONE AREA. AND THE WILDLIFE GO THROUGH THERE, RIGHT? AND IT DOESN'T TAKE A LOT OF PROPERTY TO DO THAT.

RIGHT? SO I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT IT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING TO DO AFTER LAST NIGHT'S CALL IS FIGURE OUT WAYS TO ENHANCE THIS NATURAL DRAINAGE AREA.

IT'S WHERE THE WATER FLOWS ANYWAY. BUT WE AGREE WITH YOU.

IT COULD BE A FEATURE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO JUST BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING UTILITARIAN.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ENHANCE THIS.

NOT JUST THAT ONE, I MEAN, GOING THROUGH, LIKE, ON THE BACK OF FOX GLEN, AS THE FAMILY WAS DISCUSSING AND GOING THROUGH

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YEAH. MAYBE A FEW LOTS, YEAH. WELL, CERTAINLY LOOK AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO ENHANCE THAT.

AND TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW A TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE BETWEEN FOX GLEN AND US.

AND IF, IF YOU KNOW, TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT WE CAN PROTECT THESE TREES, WE WILL NOT JUST THE TREES, BUT THE WILDLIFE. SURE. OF COURSE. GOT TO HAVE A GREEN ZONE FOR THAT.

OF COURSE, OF COURSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

HI. I'M SORRY WE CAME IN LATE, I FELL ASLEEP.

I DON'T KNOW HOW I DID THAT. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, AND I MAY HAVE MISSED WHAT YOU DISCUSSED BEFORE WE GOT HERE AND WHERE THE STREET EXITS. SO. YEAH. GREAT QUESTION.

SO IF YOU CAN STAY AFTER WE'RE DONE, I'M GOING TO DOWNLOAD KIND OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH.

THIS IS THE ONE WE'RE DISCUSSING CONCEPT C AND I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN ACCESS POINT RIGHT ACROSS FROM GARDEN COURT HERE.

OKAY. AND THE DRAINAGE RUNS THROUGH THE SITE HERE.

THERE'S A NATURAL LITTLE POND THERE NOW ANYWAY.

RIGHT, RIGHT. EXACTLY. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THIS A RETENTION KIND OF WATER FEATURE TYPE, MAYBE ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYBODY ON THE ROAD TOO. SO YEAH, I LIVE ACROSS.

AND YOU'RE DOWN HERE. 1950 SHADY OAKS. YES. SORRY, THIS IS ORIENTED.

SO SHADY OAKS IS DOWN HERE ON THE ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE HERE.

AND WE HAVE A DRAINAGE ISSUE AS IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS A CREEK ON THE ON MY SIDE AND THE CREEK.

THERE'S A DRAIN THAT RUNS ACROSS SHADY OAKS THAT COMES FROM THE THAT'S EAST. YEAH, THAT'S EAST COMES EAST TO WEST.

HITTING MY BRIDGE. YEAH. LET ME TALK ABOUT THE DRAINAGE A LITTLE BIT.

FIRST THING YOU NEED TO KNOW IS THAT THERE'S DRAINAGE THAT COMES FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY, UNDERNEATH THE FREEWAY, AND COMES OUT HERE, AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH A LOW AREA.

CURRENTLY DOWN HERE TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THERE'S KIND OF A UNINTENTIONAL POND HERE, BUT THEN IT GOES UNDERNEATH SHADY OAKS TO THE CREEK, WHICH IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF SHADY OAKS, RIGHT WHEN IT GOES THROUGH UNDERNEATH SHADY OAKS AND TO THE CREEK, IT HITS MY BRIDGE. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. REPLACE IT TWICE.

I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHERE YOU ARE, BUT THE POINT OF THIS DETENTION AREA HERE, AND SOMEONE MADE A GREAT SUGGESTION THAT WE MAKE THAT A PERMANENT LAKE WOULD BE TO GIVE A PLACE FOR THAT DRAINAGE TO GO AND BE DETAINED FOR A WHILE.

SO IN STORM AREAS AND FOR ANY ADDITIONAL RUNOFF, IT'S DETAINED THERE, AND IT'S LED OUT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME AT A LOWER RATE.

SO YES, DRAINAGE IS SOMETHING THAT THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO LOOK AT IN EXTREME DETAIL.

AND THE ENGINEER HAS ALREADY DONE A ALREADY DONE A PRELIMINARY LOOK AT THIS, BUT BEFORE ANYTHING WAS BUILT.

THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DETAILED. PLANS WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE FOR THE DRAINAGE TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS.

THE CITY REVIEWS THAT SOMETIMES THEY SEND IT OUT TO A THIRD PARTY HYDROLOGIST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS ALL THE CODES. OKAY. THAT THAT IS A CONCERN BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF IT'S SURPRISING HOW MANY DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS YOU'RE DEALING WITH IN THAT LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

A LOT OF TOPOGRAPHY. YEAH, YEAH. AND SO THESE ARE THE HOUSES.

WHAT ABOUT THE BUILDING? THE, THE IS THERE A AN OFFICE BUILDING? THE PLAN THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED IS THIS ONE THAT SHOWS FOUR OFFICE BUILDINGS ON THE NORTHERN END AND THEN ALL RESIDENTIAL ON THE SOUTHERN END, SOUTH OF THE DRAINAGE. OKAY. AND THEN TO I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT SO I'M GETTING ORIENTED MYSELF.

THE WHITE SPACE TO THE LEFT IS AT THE BANK. NO, THAT'S THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE BANK AND.

THERE'S A THERE'S ANOTHER SITE OWNED BY SOMEONE ELSE.

THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SO JUST BRIEFLY AND I'LL RUN THROUGH ALL THESE, I PROMISE, WITH YOU. OKAY. WE'RE THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO A COURT OR COMMITTEE SUGGESTION THAT WE LEAVE SOME COMMERCIAL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OUR SITE.

OUR PREFERENCE IS TO GO ALL RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT'S KIND OF CONCEPTUALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. AND WE'VE GOT A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD ALMOST, I THINK UNANIMOUSLY FROM THE NEIGHBORS TONIGHT THAT THEY WOULD PREFER THE ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN.

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YEAH I AGREE. A LOT OF DRAINAGE THROUGH THERE.

BECAUSE I MEAN IT GOES BACK AND FORTH ACROSS.

AFTERWARDS. YOU SAID YOU'RE MORE MAPPING. WELL, I CAN RUN THROUGH THEM WITH YOU FOR SURE.

GOOD THOUGHTS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE FOR TONIGHT? OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU TO OUR APPLICANTS. AND THANK YOU.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING. THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE DETAILS THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON THESE PLANS BASED ON THIS COMMENT, THESE COMMENTS IN THIS CONVERSATION. WE'RE GOING TO RUN PROBABLY WITH THIS ONE AND SEE TRY TO PRESENT BOTH TO P&Z IF WE CAN, IF WE HAVE TIME, BUT AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING CONCEPTUAL FOR P AND Z.

SO WHEN YOU GUYS COME AND TALK TO P AND Z YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU ARE ON THE FINAL PLAN, IT WOULD BE NICE FOR THEM TO HEAR LOUD AND CLEAR THAT YOU PREFER ALL RESIDENTIAL VERSUS THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL MIX.

SO WE'LL HANG OUT HERE FOR AS LONG AS ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT. NO. YOU'RE GOOD. THANK YOU.

FEBRUARY, YES, FEBRUARY 20TH IS WHEN WE'RE SLATED FOR P AND Z.

YES. THURSDAY. YES, SIR. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN SPIN.

AND REMEMBER, SPIN REPRESENTS THE FIRST STEP IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

A SPIN MEETING REPORT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE.

WE WILL INCLUDE THE SUBMITTED SPIN QUESTIONS, WHICH MADELINE, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY AND OR COMMENT FORMS. THESE REPORTS ARE GENERAL OBSERVATIONS OF THE FORUM. THEY ARE NOT VERBATIM.

INTERESTED PARTIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO FOLLOW THE CASE THROUGH THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE APPROXIMATELY 24 HOURS AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE.

SO, THANK YOU ALL.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.