Feb 20, 2025 Planning and Zoning Commission

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ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CITY HALL AND OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HERE ON FEBRUARY 20,

[1. Call to Order.]

ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS THIS EVENING? NO.

NO COMMENTS THIS EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY.

IN TERMS OF CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING WE'VE GOT SOME CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS,

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WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO MOVE TEN UP IN FRONT OF SEVEN.

IT'S A PLAT REVISION, SO IT SHOULD BE A PRETTY QUICK HEARING.

THE STATE KIND OF SETS GUIDELINES FOR US ON THAT.

THAT REALLY KIND OF HANDCUFFS US ANYWAY IN TERMS OF APPROVALS.

SO AS LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH PRIOR APPROVALS, WHICH THIS ONE IS.

SO WE'LL PROBABLY MOVE THAT UP. BUT OTHERWISE TAKE THE AGENDA IN ORDER.

FOR THOSE OF YOU MAYBE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS BEFORE JUST A QUICK ORIENTATION.

WHAT WE'LL DO ON EACH OF THESE ITEMS IS STAFF WILL COME UP AND GIVE A PRESENTATION.

WE'LL ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS. THEN THE APPLICANT WILL COME UP AND GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION, AS I KNOW I LIKE TO SAY. WE'LL HAVE THEM ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WE MAY DELIBERATE BRIEFLY AS A BODY AHEAD OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, MAY NOT, WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK ON THE ITEM IS WELCOME TO ONE AT A TIME.

UP TO THREE MINUTES EACH. WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE LIGHT TIMER DOWN HERE.

THAT'S GREEN FOR TWO MINUTES, YELLOW THE THIRD MINUTE, AND THEN IT STARTS BLINKING RED AS SOON AS IT'S OVER.

IT'S YOUR THREE MINUTES. BUT TYPICALLY THE COMMENTS THAT ARE MOST PERTINENT TO THIS CASE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MOST HELPFUL TO LET US KNOW.

USUALLY YOU CAN KIND OF FIT IN ALL THOSE REMARKS IN THREE MINUTES AND PLEASE ADDRESS THOSE TO US AND WE'LL JUST TAKE THEM INTO CONSIDERATION.

THEN WE'LL DELIBERATE A LITTLE MORE AND THEN COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION POTENTIALLY FOR CITY COUNCIL .

SO THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT GOES. I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME OF THEM TONIGHT, OR A COUPLE OF CASES THAT DEAL WITH OUR LAND USE PLAN.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS. THAT'S A PLAN THAT AND CITY STAFF COULD GO INTO GREAT DETAIL ON THIS, BUT I'LL TRY TO GIVE IT MY QUICK SUMMARY THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS OUR CITY STAFF, IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR RESIDENTS, WE HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS, PUBLIC MEETINGS, GET HEARINGS, INPUTS INTO OUR LAND USE PLAN.

WE COME UP WITH THAT AND THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL RELY UPON APPLICANTS, LANDOWNERS, RESIDENTS, THE COMMISSION, CITY COUNCIL , PEOPLE.

IN TERMS OF OUR GUIDE FORWARD, THAT'S BEEN A VERY PUBLICLY PUT TOGETHER PLAN.

AND SO THAT'S IN THOSE PLANS CAN CHANGE WHENEVER WE HAVE EITHER APPLICANTS REQUESTING IT, ADJACENT RESIDENTS, ETC.. AND TYPICALLY WHEN THEY'RE KIND OF DOWN ZONINGS OR LESSER INTENSITY REQUESTS, THOSE ARE A LITTLE EASIER.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S WHERE OUR LAND USE PLAN IS.

THAT'S HOW IT'S COME UP WITH. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WE CARRIED THAT THROUGH.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO START USE AS A STARTING POINT AS WE GO FORWARD IN THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO WITH THAT A LOT OF HOUSEKEEPING THERE. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

ITEM FIVE, APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 6TH MEETING.

EVERYBODY'S BEEN GIVEN A COPY OF THOSE. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THOSE? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE. PLEASE.

PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER MOTION OR AN ITEM.

APPROVAL OF FINAL PLAT FOR WILLOW TREE GARDENS, WHICH I THINK CITY STAFF WILL AGAIN CONFIRM THAT THIS PLAT IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL PRIOR APPROVALS RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION.

I BELIEVE THAT STATEMENT IS CORRECT. I'M GETTING A HEAD NOD.

SO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.

AND PASSES SEVEN ZERO. NOW WE'LL GO TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.

[10. Consider: ZA25-0010, Plat Revision, Lots 3R-1 and 3R-2. Block 1, Stadium Southwest, being a revision of Lot 3R, Block 1 Stadium Southwest, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, located at 925 and 935 S. Kimball Ave. Current Zoning: "I-1" Light Industrial District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING]

IT IS A PLAT REVISION FOR LOTS 3 R1 3 R2 BLOCK ONE STADIUM SOUTHWEST.

THIS IS ITEM 10. SO I THINK PROBABLY DO A STAFF PRESENTATION, BUT IT CAN BE A PRETTY BRIEF ONE.

BECAUSE I KNOW, AGAIN, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT THE FOLKS IN AUSTIN PUT US ON A SHOT CLOCK IN TERMS OF OUR APPROVAL, AND THERE'S NO VARIANCES OR NEW [INAUDIBLE] ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A PRESENT. CITY STAFF, I GUESS BRIEF PRESENTATION FROM STAFF ON THIS ONE.

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SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO IT IS LOCATED AT 925 AND 935 SOUTH KIMBALL.

JUST AT THIS INTERSECTION OF CONTINENTAL AND KIMBALL.

AERIAL VIEW RIGHT THERE. FUTURE LAND USE LISTED AS INDUSTRIAL CURRENT ZONING IS I-1 FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

SO THIS IS THE CURRENT PLAT. RIGHT HERE. AND THE PROPOSED PLAT REVISION.

HERE IS THE EXHIBIT WITH THE NEW BOUNDARY SHOWN.

AND ANY QUESTIONS HAPPY TO ANSWER. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT? DOES ANYONE NEED TO HEAR ANYTHING FROM THE APPLICANT? DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SAY ANYTHING? NO. I'M GOOD.

GOOD. OKAY. YOU'RE GOOD, WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU HANG TIGHT? DESPITE BEING HANDCUFFED BY THE STATE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.

I GUESS FOR ACADEMIC REASONS. SO IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE FEEL FREE. OTHERWISE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND I GUESS. IS THERE ANY OTHER DEBATE ON THIS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? ALL RIGHT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA.

ZA 2 5-0010, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 14, 2025 AND ALSO SUBJECT TO THE PLAT REVISION REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER ONE DATED FEBRUARY 14, 2025.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. LET'S VOTE PLEASE. AND PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

GOOD LUCK. CONGRATULATIONS. AND OUR NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

MY FAVORITE QUESTION FOR CITY STAFF. NEXT CITY COUNCIL ? MARCH 4TH. MARCH 4TH. SO POTENTIALLY SEE THAT ONE ON MARCH 4TH.

WRITE THAT DOWN. NOW WE'LL HOP BACK AND TAKE THE REST OF THE AGENDA IN ORDER ITEM SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA,

[7. Consider: ZA25-0004, Site Plan for a helipad for Methodist Southlake Medical Center on property described as Lot 1R1 and Lot 5, Block 1, Southlake Medical District and located at 335 and 421 E. S.H. 114. Current Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #7. PUBLIC HEARING]

GOOD EVENING AGAIN. TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING OVER THE HELIPAD BEING PROPOSED FOR METHODIST SOUTHLAKE.

SO LOCATION, AS YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY AWARE, 335 AND 421 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114.

SO HERE'S THE CURRENT EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S THERE LOOKING AT BUILDING THIS HELIPAD JUST A LITTLE BIT OFF TO THE WEST.

SO IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED SB 2 SITE PLAN DISTRICT FUTURE LAND USE LISTED AS MIXED USE.

SO IT IS ALSO UNDER THE MEDICAL AND WELLNESS OVERLAY.

JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT THERE. HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

SO YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF PATHS LEADING TO AND FROM THE HELIPAD.

AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE ON THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER AS WELL.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE. OKAY. NONE. NONE FOR NOW.

I GUESS IF THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE ON THIS ITEM? YEAH. IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP TO THE DAIS HERE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JAMIE PLOETZNER. I LIVE OR ADDRESS 13455 NOEL ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS.

I WORK FOR KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES AND WE'RE THE CIVIL ENGINEER AND SURVEYOR ON THE PROJECT.

TRUBY MCDOUGAL AND I'M A PLANNING, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION FOR METHODIST HEALTH SYSTEM, 17 SHADY COVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. OKAY I GUESS AND THIS IS INTENTIONED, I GUESS WHAT'S THE USEFUL LIFE ON THIS? I MEAN, IS THIS MEANT TO BE SOMEWHAT TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT? OR HOW LONG IS PERMANENT INDEFINITE OR. YES. IT WOULD BE PERMANENT UNTIL WE BUILD A TOWER RIGHT THERE AND HAVE TO MOVE IT. BUT THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT. IT'S NOT INCREASING ANY TRAFFIC, AND IT'S JUST THAT'S THEY'RE LANDING RIGHT THERE, RIGHT NOW, JUST IN THE FIELD. IT'S JUST FOR SAFETY FOR THE PATIENTS AND EVERYBODY AROUND IT.

OH, SO THEY'RE ALREADY LANDING AS OF RIGHT NOW.

THEY LAND THERE OR IN A PARKING LOT, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS EVEN MORE CHALLENGING DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER AND HAVING TO CLEAR PEOPLE

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EMERGENCY AND IT'S EMERGENCY OUT. THEY'RE NOT BRINGING ANYBODY IN.

THEY'RE COMING TO PICK SOMEONE UP THAT WE'RE TRANSPORTING OUT TO ANOTHER FACILITY FOR GREATER SERVICES.

CORRECT. OKAY. AND JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS AND IT MAY NOT BE THAT GERMANE, BUT JUST HOW DOES IT WORK WITH THIS BEING PRETTY CLOSE TO THE NORTHWEST RUNWAY APPROACH FOR DFW? I MEAN, IS IT I GUESS YOU JUST HAVE TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN ALTITUDE OR HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS? I DO NOT KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. YOU MAY KNOW. YEAH.

WE'VE LOOKED AT THE APPROACH AND DEPARTURE PATH AND DONE AN OBSTRUCTION SURVEY, AND WE'LL BE SUBMITTING TO THE FAA.

SO WE'VE LOOKED INTO ALL OF THAT AND WE'RE FREE AND CLEAR OF ANY OF THOSE OBSTRUCTIONS.

BUT YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT AS PROXIMITY TO OTHER AREAS.

YOU CAN'T GO OVER A CERTAIN ALTITUDE. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

WELL, AND ONE OTHER THING TO NOTE TOO. AND I MIGHT GET THE TERMINOLOGY A LITTLE BIT WRONG, BUT IT'S AN APPROVED ACCESSORY USE FOR THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS.

IT'S JUST A PERMANENT HELIPAD HAS NOT BEEN BUILT OUT THERE YET, BUT THE FUNCTION HAS BEEN THERE.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST CREATING AN IMPROVED SURFACE. SO AS TRUBY MENTIONED, TO IMPROVE SAFETY AND FUNCTION.

OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT WHEN YOU DO BUILD THIS TOWER, THIS WILL PROBABLY BE ON THE ROOF OF THAT AREA OR A PARKING GARAGE OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING'S BEEN CONCEPTUAL, ACTUALLY WAS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

WE'RE NOT EVEN WORKING ON A TOWER ADDITION YET, SO.

BUT IT COULD BE THERE OR IT COULD BE ON THE GROUND EVEN IF WE MOVED FURTHER OUT.

BUT THE ED IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE TAKING EVERYBODY FROM ANYWAY.

SO YEAH, AND THIS IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE EMERGENCY AREA ANYWAY.

RIGHT. SO IT'S KIND OF A TREK OUT THERE. CORRECT.

AND SO IT'S ALL IT'S SCHEDULED. AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DO SOME LOGISTICS INSIDE TO EVEN GET THROUGH THE, TO THE OTHER SIDE. SO. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANKS.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COME UP AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM IS WELCOME TO DO SO.

NOW, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS ON THIS ONE BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THIS ONE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA ZA 25-0004, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 14TH, 2025, AND ALSO SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED FEBRUARY 14TH, 2025. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.

AND PASSES SEVEN ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK.

IF YOU MAKE THE MARCH 4TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

SO WITH THAT, WE WILL GET TO THE LAST ITEM ON OUR PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA.

ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE A SIGN BOARD THIS EVENING FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO STICK AROUND FOR THAT MEETING LATER.

WE'LL CALL BOTH OF THESE ITEMS AT ONCE. SO THIS IS ITEM 8.

[Items 8 & 9]

THE EXISTING LAND USE IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL, AND THE PROPOSED LAND USE FOR A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

AND ITEM NINE IS THE ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN.

AND THIS IS AT 1835 SHADY OAKS. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

HERE WE HAVE 114. AND THIS IS SHADY OAKS HERE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE AS I MENTIONED IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

THERE IS ALSO AN OPTIONAL LAND USE OVERLAY ON THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S FOR MULTI-TENANT OFFICE AND THE ZONING IS CURRENTLY AG AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE ZONING DIAGRAM THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED.

THEY ARE REQUESTING THREE SEPARATE ZONINGS, SP-2 WITH 01 USES FOR THIS PORTION HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

THEN THEY ALSO HAVE AN SF-20A HERE FOR 16 LOTS AND SF-1A DIRECTLY ALONG SHADY OAKS.

THOSE ARE ONE ACRE LOTS. THREE ONE ACRE LOTS.

NOW FOR THE LAND USE AMENDMENT. BECAUSE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL, THEY ARE REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PORTIONS THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. SO FOR THIS SECTION HERE WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THE SF 20 ZONING,

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THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.

THIS NEXT SLIDE HERE IS A LITTLE BIT ENLARGED.

AS I MENTIONED, THIS SECTION HERE IS THE SP TWO ZONING WITH 01 OFFICE USES.

IT'S GOT FOUR SINGLE STORY BUILDINGS OFFICE BUILDINGS WITH A DETENTION POND.

AND THEN THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE SF-20A ZONING WITH 16 LOTS AND THREE SF-1A LOTS. AND THEN THEY ARE SHOWING AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG 114 AND ALONG SHADY OAKS, WHICH IS RECOMMENDED BY THE SIDEWALK PLAN OR THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN.

ALSO NOTE FOR THE SP TWO PORTION, THEY ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO DEFER THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS UNTIL THE SITE PLAN STAGE, BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT PLAN THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR THIS SP TWO ZONING. THIS IS THE THE SITE DATA SUMMARY CHARTS FOR THE COMMERCIAL PORTION AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION. THEY'RE PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 44,000FT² OF LEASABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE OFFICE.

THE PARKING RATIO IS ONE SPACE PER 242FT², AND FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, COMBINING BOTH THE SF 1A AND THE SF-20A THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE COMES OUT TO 27,138FT². THIS IS THE TREE CONSERVATION ANALYSIS THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED, SHOWING THE TREES THAT WILL BE PRESERVED AND THE ONES THAT WILL BE REMOVED.

AND THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED AN ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE PLAN.

AND THEN THESE ARE JUST SOME ELEVATIONS TO GO ALONG WITH THE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.

THERE'S A STREET VIEW OF THE PROPERTY FROM SHADY OAKS STREET VIEW FROM 114.

AND WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES.

I BELIEVE THEY ARE AT YOUR SEATS UP THERE. WE RECEIVED THEM AFTER THE PACKET WENT OUT.

WE HAVE ONE THAT INDICATED THEY WERE IN FAVOR AND ONE THAT INDICATED THEY WERE OPPOSED.

WE ALSO RECEIVED A NARRATIVE FROM THE I BELIEVE IT WAS THE HOA PRESIDENT.

I MAY BE MISSPEAKING ON THAT, BUT A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE HOA FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HERE EXPRESSING THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE DEVELOPMENT.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THEN THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN? AND I GUESS JUST ALONG SHADY OAKS, I GUESS, WHAT'S THE SETBACKS THERE? WHAT'S REQUIRED? WHAT'S I MEAN, I GUESS, CAN YOU JUST TALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF IT.

I THINK IT ACTUALLY SHOWS A LITTLE BIT CLEARER IF I GO BACK TO THIS EXHIBIT HERE THEY ARE SHOWING A 40 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER EASEMENT ALONG HERE.

I WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S, I KNOW I THINK IT'S 25FT REQUIRED ALONG 114.

IS IT 25FT ALSO ALONG SHADY OAKS FOR THE S O IN TERMS OF THE THE REAR BUILDING LINE IT'S I'M DRAWING A BLANK. IS IT. IT'S 40FT IN THE REAR.

YEAH. FOR THE REAR SETBACK. DISTRICT IS 40FT.

YEAH. ALONG SF-1A. OKAY. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, LIKE HOW MUCH IS BEING KIND OF PLANTED ALONG THERE PROPOSED TO BE PLANTED WITHIN THAT 40 FOOT BUFFER. UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THE SUPER.

YEAH. BLOWN UP HERE. BUT THEY ARE SHOWING SOME PLANTINGS IN THIS AREA.

I THINK THEY'RE SHOWING SOME LIKE ELM TREES AND EASTERN RED CEDAR.

OKAY, OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE BRING THE APPLICANT UP HERE. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW, BUT I'M GUESSING WE'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AS WE GO.

SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DOES THE APPLICANT MIND COMING UP AND STATING HIS KNOWN NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS JOHN HUFFMAN, 1991 EAST HIGHLAND STREET IN SOUTHLAKE.

CURTIS YOUNG WITH THE SAGE GROUP, 1130 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

OKAY. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR A GREAT, THOROUGH PRESENTATION. SO I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO SHOW YOU GUYS A COUPLE OF THINGS,

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SO MY CLIENTS HAVE OWNED THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR 4 OR 5 YEARS.

I THINK THEY'VE BROUGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS TO THE CITY.

JUST REALLY PRELIMINARY THINGS. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS.

YOU GUYS HEARD THE LAND USE PLAN IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

SO WHEN THEY HIRED ME, WE STARTED DIGGING INTO THIS.

WE CAME UP WITH A COUPLE OF PLANS. AND I WON'T BORE YOU WITH ALL THE DETAILS, BUT BASICALLY THEY WERE MIXING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

SO. AND WE TOOK THOSE TO CORRIDOR. SO THE TWO PLANS WE SHOWED CORRIDOR HAD LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, ONE ACRE LOTS HERE, HALF ACRE LOTS TO MIRROR THIS FOX GLEN NEIGHBORHOOD HERE, AND THEN COMMERCIAL SORT OF CONCENTRATED ALONG THE 114 AREA.

SO WHAT CORRIDOR, THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM CORRIDOR IS, WAS CHANGING A COUPLE OF THINGS AS FAR AS THE LOT LAYOUT.

WE ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE WE HAD BEGUN SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAD EXPRESSED MAYBE A DESIRE TO AVOID THE COMMERCIAL WITH ITS PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND TO GO MORE RESIDENTIAL. WE ASKED THAT OF CORRIDOR AND THE ESPECIALLY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT ALSO, I THINK A FEW OF YOU WANTED TO SEE A COMMERCIAL PLAN, SO WE STARTED RUNNING IN THAT DIRECTION THAT'S THE PLAN YOU GUYS HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AS FAR AS WHAT'S ENGINEERED AND THE LANDSCAPE. THAT'S SORT OF THE FLESHED OUT VERSION.

AFTER WE'D SUBMITTED EVERYTHING FOR THIS MEETING, SOME MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS REALLY BROUGHT TO LIGHT THE DESIRE KIND OF BY EVERYONE TO GO WITH AN ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN.

SO WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU AN OPTION FOR THAT, TOO.

IT IS OUR PREFERENCE TO GO WITH AN ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN.

AND WE'VE CHEWED ON A FEW DIFFERENT SITE PLANS AND LAYOUTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SEE.

BUT AGAIN, IN THE INTEREST OF BEING RESPONSIVE TO CORRIDOR, WE WANTED TO ALSO SHOW YOU THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, BUT AGAIN, PREFERENCE AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO IS TO GO WITH ALL RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY. SO STAFF WAS VERY THOROUGH IN LAYING OUT THIS PLAN.

WE'VE GOT ONE ACRE LOTS HERE HALF ACRES HERE AND INTERNAL.

TH INKING ABOUT WHAT A COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN MAY LOOK LIKE AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT SPARKED A LOT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS.

SURFACE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BEING WHAT THEY ARE.

WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A SEA OF CONCRETE AND REALLY END UP CLEAR CUTTING MOST OF THIS SITE. SO, YOU KNOW, FROM THOSE CONVERSATIONS, WE STARTED WORKING ON AN ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN, WHICH I WANT TO JUMP TO.

SO SO THIS IS PROBABLY VERSION 4 OR 5. YOU'LL SEE IN THIS PLAN SOME OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE HALF COMMERCIAL, HALF RESIDENTIAL PLAN, THE GREENBELT FOR DRAINAGE AND DETENTION POND HERE.

WE HAVE A 40 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER EASEMENT THAT WE ADDED HERE.

I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO 50FT. IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO IMPACT OUR BUILDING ENVELOPE.

SO WE WANT TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH OF THAT GREEN SPACE ALONG SHADY OAKS AS POSSIBLE.

STILL, WITH HALF ACRE LOTS ALONG FOX GLENN A LITTLE SMALLER ON THE HIGHWAY, ALONG WITH ANOTHER 30 FOOT BUFFER EASEMENT ALONG THE HIGHWAY. AGAIN TRYING TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THAT GREEN SPACE FOR VISUALS AND SOUND MITIGATION AND EVERYTHING.

SO A COUPLE OF OTHER ELEMENTS OF THIS. WE REALLY TALKED THROUGH IT AGAIN WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND INTERNALLY AND THOUGHT ONE ENTRANCE IN SHADY OAKS WAS APPROPRIATE. SO WE HAVE THIS AND IT'S COMING OUT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM GARDEN COURT.

WE THOUGHT THAT THAT MADE THE MOST SENSE AS FAR AS CONFLICTS WITH SOME OF THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS HERE.

WE ALSO HAVE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ONTO 114. WE FIGURE PROBABLY THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR BY FIRE AND EMERGENCY.

WE ALSO TALKED POTENTIALLY ABOUT MAKING THIS A RESIDENT ONLY ACCESS.

WITH GATE TECHNOLOGY WE CAN DO SOMETHING WHERE THE RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO GO IN AND OUT IN CASE SOMEONE WANTS TO JUMP ON THE HIGHWAY AND GO THAT WAY, OR COME IN THAT WAY AS WELL.

SO THAT'LL BE EXIT ONLY. IS THAT WHAT THAT WOULD BE? OR I THINK WE COULD DO ENTRANCE TOO. YEAH, ENTRY AND EXIT, BUT SOMETHING LIMITED TO RESIDENTS.

WE REALLY DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A CUT THROUGH. SO THAT SO AGAIN, WE WANT TO MINIMIZE DISRUPTION ON SHADY OAKS, HENCE THE GREEN SPACE BUFFER YARD. HENCE THE SINGLE ACCESS ONTO ALL OF THESE LOTS OF BUDDING SHADY OAKS WILL BE FACING INTERNAL TO THE SITE, SO NO DRIVEWAYS GOING THIS WAY. WE THINK THIS IS THE BETTER PLAN WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU GUYS BOTH WE LIKE WE LIKE THIS ONE.

OBVIOUSLY OPEN TO ALL QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK.

AND I GUESS I'M ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'VE RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE RESIDENT COMMUNICATION THAT WE'D HEAR TONIGHT THAT ADJACENT, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT I SAY THAT WORD ADJACENT RESIDENTS WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PLAN.

IS THAT. CONCEPTUALLY. AT SPIN MEETINGS. YEAH.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM. BUT CONCEPTUALLY, YES. YES.

OKAY. AT THE SPIN MEETING. THIS IS THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU. OKAY. EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ALL RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE

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CORRECT. AND I GUESS YOU WOULD BE OKAY IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THAT WE ADDED A STIPULATION THAT ANY NEW RESIDENTIAL USE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY SPILL OVER TO THE PROPERTY ON THE WEST, THAT WOULD BE OMITTED, I GUESS, FROM THIS APPROVAL.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I GUESS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

ANY NEW SETBACKS THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THAT PROPERTY.

ANY NEW? SURE. 4 TO 1 SLOPE RATIO ISSUES WOULD BE ADMITTED TO THAT.

YOU KNOW, JUST NOT ANY NEW REQUIREMENTS ON THAT PROPERTY RELATIVE TO THIS REQUEST ON THIS PIECE IS THAT.

YEAH. I MEAN, WE'RE ASKING FOR OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LESS INTENSE USE, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT USE.

SO WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY AROUND US TRYING TO.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN I GUESS, CAN YOU JUST TALK THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREA ALONG SHADY OAKS? I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S 40 FOOT AND JUST. WILL THERE BE KIND OF A LANDSCAPE PLAN? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TREES IMMEDIATELY ALONG SHADY OAKS, SO I GUESS.

SURE. PLAN TO. WELL, LET ME SAY CONCEPTUALLY AND THEN I'LL KICK IT OVER TO CURTIS.

YOU KNOW, WE FELT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND OBVIOUSLY THE NEIGHBORS AGREE TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH OF THAT GREEN CHARACTER ALONG SHADY OAKS AS POSSIBLE.

IT'S A VERY QUIET STREET. IT'S A VERY TREED STREET, AND THERE'S A LOT OF TREES IN THAT EASEMENT.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE WE MIGHT COULD HAVE DONE BETTER AS THE PROPERTY, A COUPLE COUPLE TRACKS TO THE NORTH DEVELOPED IS LEAVING MORE OF A GREEN SPACE.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT. SO WE ADDED OUR BUFFER YARD.

WE'RE GOING TO BE FILLING IN WITH SOME TREES AS WELL.

CURTIS YOU WANT TO TALK TO THAT? YEAH. THERE WERE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THEY WERE, SHALL WE SAY, NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN THE BANK THERE THAT WAS A SMALLER BUFFER, 20FT ONLY.

AND ALTHOUGH THAT LANDSCAPING WILL GROW UP EVENTUALLY, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE THE BUFFER NOW.

SO WE DOUBLED THE BUFFER TO 40FT. AND OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN WHICH IS KIND OF SHOWN HERE IS INDICATING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SAVE ALL THE TREES IN THERE. BUT WHERE THERE ARE GAPS IN THOSE TREES, WE'LL PLAN ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.

THE IDEA IS TO HAVE A FAIRLY SOLID VEGETATIVE BUFFER IN THAT AREA TO KEEP THE CHARACTER OF SHADY OAKS AS IT IS NOW.

THIS HAS THE ROAD IN ANOTHER LOCATION THAT WAS ALSO CAME ABOUT THE CHANGE OVER TO HERE.

IN TALKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THE ONE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THIS ROAD WAS.

SO THAT'S WHY WE MOVED IT OVER, OVER TO THERE.

AND THEN MAYBE TALK THROUGH THE JUST THE BUFFERING ALONG 114.

THE SETBACK THERE. LIKE WHAT? I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF LIKE BIG WALLS ALONG 114 NOW IN TERMS OF SOUND, BUT I GUESS JUST, YOU KNOW, FENCING MATERIAL, FENCING, HEIGHT, LANDSCAPE MATERIAL THAT CAN KIND OF SHIELD.

YEAH, YEAH. SO WE LEFT A 30 FOOT BUFFER YARD AGAIN FOR THE SAME PURPOSE, TRYING TO KEEP THIS THING AS TREED AS YOU CAN.

THERE'S A LOT OF TOPO ON THIS SITE. IT RISES HERE AND IT FALLS HERE.

THAT'S KIND OF THE LOW POINT AND THEN RISES AGAIN.

SO, YOU KNOW, WANT TO MAINTAIN A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT BUT ALSO WANT TO CREATE SOME SORT OF SOUND BUFFER.

WE'RE, OPEN TO IDEAS WHAT THE BEST THING WE CAN DO, BECAUSE REALITY IS, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE THE SOUND TRAFFIC COMING ACROSS THE SITE. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THESE LOTS TO BE DESIRABLE TOO.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN LEAVING THEM HANGING.

SO WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR A SOUND BREAK AGAIN, YOU KNOW, NOT SURE WHAT THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE IS, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO THAT FEEDBACK AND CONVERSATION.

30 FOOT BUFFER. AGAIN, ALL THE HOMES ARE FACING INTERNAL TO THE SITE.

SO NO ONE'S GOT THEIR FRONT YARD LOOKING AT 114 AND JUST PATHWAYS, SIDEWALKS, PATHWAYS, I MEAN WILL THERE BE.

YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO WE THERE IS A PATHWAY, I THINK CONNECTING BOTH IN THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE SITE.

THAT'S WHERE THE DASHED LINES ARE. YEAH. YEAH. THOSE ARE THE REQUIRED PATHWAYS BOTH ON 114 AND SHADY OAKS.

YEAH. YEAH. SO WE'LL WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS AND REALLY MAKE IT PROBABLY A WATER FEATURE TO DRESS UP THE ENTRANCE OF THE SITE AND, AND MAYBE EVEN MAKE IT A USABLE AMENITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.

THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF THAT UP THERE. WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO WALK THROUGH THE SITE? I MEAN, IF YOU. THROUGH THIS SITE? YEAH, YEAH, THROUGH IT OR I MEAN, JUST.

SURE. FROM ONE PATHWAY TO THE OTHER I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING TO.

THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS TRACK IS NOT DEVELOPED. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A CONNECTION POINT THERE.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GETTING TO. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. SO IS THAT OKAY?

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SO ON BOTH THE LOTS THAT FACE ARE BACK TO 114 AND THE LOTS THAT GO OUT TO THE OTHER STREET, ARE THE PROPERTY LINES FOR THOSE LOTS THE INWARD LINE OF THE GREENBELT, OR THE LINE THAT'S ON THE SOUTH OR NORTH SIDES OF THE GREENBELT. THEY INCLUDE THE GREENBELT.

YEAH. SO THE PROPERTY WOULD INCLUDE THE GREENBELT.

IT'S AN EASEMENT ON THOSE LOTS? YES. YEAH. AND SO SO THEN IF THAT WERE TRUE, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A HOMEOWNER BUILDING A FENCE ACTUALLY ON THE PROPERTY LINE, ON THEIR PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WOULD BE UP AGAINST SHADY OAKS OR UP AGAINST 114. NOT NECESSARILY. I THINK IF A FENCE IT WOULD GO THEIR SIDE OF THE GREENBELT.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT IN OUR MOTION.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING. THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.

I MEAN. NOT ONLY GOVERN WHERE FENCE LINES ARE, BUT WHAT MATERIALS.

SO IF THE PROPERTY LINES WERE GOING TO GO TO SHADY OAKS AND GOING TO GO TO THE 114 THE FENCE LINE SHOULD BE SET BACK AT WHATEVER THE SETBACK IS.

WE AGREE. YEAH. TOTALLY AGREE. YEAH. AND I GENERALLY LIKE THIS PLAN BETTER.

I WASN'T CRAZY ABOUT THE OTHER PLAN. I'M NOT.

I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT BACKING RESIDENTIAL UP TO 114 IN GENERAL.

BUT CONSIDERING THAT YOU'VE GOT OTHER NEIGHBORS OUT THERE THAT ARE ALL ASKING FOR THAT, THEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER.

THE LOTS 17 THROUGH SEVEN THAT BACK UP TO 114 DO ALL THOSE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR HALF ACRE LOTS OR ARE THEY LESS THAN HALF ACRE LOTS? THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN HALF ACRE LOTS. OKAY.

WELL, AND YOUR POINT ABOUT BACKING UP RESIDENTIAL 114 IS WELL TAKEN AND GENERALLY I AGREE.

I THINK THE ALTERNATIVE OF HAVING MULTI-TENANT OFFERING YOU KNOW ATTENDANT SURFACE PARKING RIGHT ON 114 IS FAR WORSE IN MY OPINION. SO TRYING TO DEVELOP THE SITE AND THAT IN A WAY THAT RESPECTS, YOU KNOW, THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO GET IT DONE BETTER THAN THE COMMERCIAL. OKAY.

THAT'S REALLY ALL I'VE GOT. YES, SIR. OTHER QUESTIONS.

VICE CHAIR. OH, SORRY. GO AHEAD. YEAH. GO AHEAD.

WELL, AS FAR AS THE LOTS BACKING, I FIND IT VERY INTERESTING ESPECIALLY IN THE LINE OF WORK I DO WHERE EVERYONE COMPLAINS WHEN A FREEWAY IS WIDENED AN THE NOISE.

BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT'S MORE OF A BUSINESS DECISION OF WHETHER YOU THINK THERE'S A MARKET FOR BUYERS.

MY CONCERN IS THE ENTRANCE THAT WOULD BE OFF OF THE 114 FRONTAGE.

IF IT'S A PRIVATE ENTRANCE TO HAVE A THROAT THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE THAT THINK THEY'RE GOING TO TURN IN AND REALIZE, OH, THEY CAN'T GET IN TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A TURNAROUND.

AND I SEE THERE'S A ROUND ELEMENT TO IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT THERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THINGS DON'T STACK.

SURE. AND CAUSE CONGESTION RIGHT THERE OFF OF THE HIGHWAY.

YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS MY QUESTION ABOUT BEING EXIT ONLY BECAUSE THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED LOOKED LIKE IT COULD EITHER BE EMERGENCY OR EXIT, BUT NOT ENTRANCE. SO MAYBE THAT'S THE COMMENT THERE IS THAT IF ENTRANCE IS CONTEMPLATED, IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE REDESIGNED.

WELL, AND IF THERE'S A GREEN BELT THERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS VEGETATION, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LINE OF SIGHT ISSUE THAT CARS WOULDN'T REALLY BE ABLE TO TELL UNTIL THEY'RE RIGHT UP ON THAT ENTRANCE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

WE I MEAN, IF WE CAN SHUTTLE TRAFFIC OUT TO 114 FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO DO THAT.

BUT YOUR POINT ABOUT STACKING IS WELL TAKEN. WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY SWINGING IN, THINKING THEY CAN CUT THROUGH AND THEN BEING STUCK.

SO I THINK IF THE GATE IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD, PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT'S GATED AND IF THEY CAN'T GET THROUGH THE GATE, THEN THEY WON'T TURN IN. OR EVEN IF THEY TURN IN, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO RIGHT BACK OUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT DIVIDED.

YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY OUR THOUGHT WAS EMERGENCY ONLY BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE NEIGHBORS WHO SUGGESTED THAT THAT BE A RESIDENT, ONLY TO ALLOW THE PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO GO TO AND FROM DIRECTLY THE FRONTAGE ROAD SO THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO TRAVEL ON SHADY OAKS.

I THINK DEALING WITH TXDOT, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT IF YOU IF YOU WIND UP DOING ANYTHING HERE RELATIVE TO ACCESSING 114, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A RIGHT TURN, TAPER FROM 114 TO GET INTO THAT LOT, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE A RIGHT LEFT TURN ACCELERATION LANES.

SO SO THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SETBACKS.

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I DON'T I PERSONALLY I MEAN I COULD SEE THAT AS BEING NECESSARY FOR EMERGENCY EXIT, BUT TO CREATE ANY TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, THROUGH TRAFFIC THERE, WILLFUL THROUGH TRAFFIC, I THINK IS A BAD IDEA BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH CARS HERE THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO SHADY OAK THAT VERSUS THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING THROUGH TRAFFIC IN THIS LOCATION.

DO WE HAVE AN AERIAL THAT'S GOING TO PICK UP AND SHOW BOTH SIDES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND WHAT I'M GOING TOWARDS IS THE SETBACK. YEAH.

WELL KEEP GOING BACK SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO SHOW KIND OF.

YEAH. THERE WE GO SORT OF. I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE SETBACK IS AS YOU GO UP AND DOWN 114 ESPECIALLY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, I MEAN, IT LOOKS PRETTY CONSISTENT IF YOU GO TO THE SOUTH THERE.

AND THEN OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE OPEN LOT TO THE NORTH.

WHAT'S THE SETBACK. DO WE KNOW. IT'S KIND OF AN UNFAIR QUESTION ON SOUTHLAKE MEADOWS, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF DOVE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT. WELL, THERE IS.

A DRAINAGE? THERE IS A PRETTY FLOODPLAIN OR SOMETHING.

YEAH. YEAH. DRAINAGE IT'S DRAINAGE. THE YOU KNOW, DUE SOUTH TO US IS THIS OFFICE BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT AT THE END OF FOX GLEN.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF OFFICE BUILDINGS RIGHT HERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST HAS A NORMAL 15 OR 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE SETBACK THERE.

YEAH. SO I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS CONCERN ABOUT SETTING PRECEDENT.

SO IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER APPROVING A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE WITH SMALLER LOTS.

I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, MAYBE EVEN ACROSS THE HIGHWAY RELATIVE TO BEING SMALLER RESIDENTIAL BACKING UP TO 114. HOW WOULD YOU WHAT WHAT ARGUMENT WOULD YOU BE PREPARED TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY GOVERNING BODY TO FOR THAT POSSIBILITY? YOU ASKED A QUESTION FOR ME. YEAH. WELL, SO I GUESS TO THINK ABOUT THE LOT SIZE HOLISTICALLY, WE DEFINITELY WANTED TO MIRROR YOU KNOW, SHADY OAKS ALL UP AND DOWN.

SHADY OAKS IS, I MEAN, THERE ARE LARGER LOTS.

THERE'S SOME ESTATE LOTS, SOME FIVE ACRE EVEN SOME TEN ACRE GARDEN COURT OR ONE ACRE PLUS.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE MAINTAINED THAT AGAINST SHADY OAKS.

HERE ON FOX GLEN THESE ARE 20,000. SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE ARE MATCHED UP WITH 20,000.

AND THESE INTERNAL ARE AS WELL SEVEN THROUGH.

WELL SEVEN'S A LITTLE BIGGER. IT'S REALLY 8 THROUGH 15 ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE LESS THAN 20,000.

YOU KNOW THESE ARE GOING TO BE ALONG THE HIGHWAY.

I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO, FRANKLY, TO HAVE KIND OF MORE IMPERVIOUS FOR SOUND BREAKS.

I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A FEW MORE HOUSES THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, THE SMALLEST ONE BEING 15,000, I THINK, OR ALMOST 16, 17, I CAN'T MY EYES ARE GOING BAD.

YEAH 16.9 I MEAN, YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT A THIRD OF AN ACRE OR MORE.

SO WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE LOT SIZES. WE FEEL LIKE IT MIRRORS THE CHARACTER OF WHAT'S AROUND IT.

W AS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY? YEAH. THE QUESTION IS THE NATURAL QUESTION IS IF YOU SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS HERE.

WHY WOULDN'T SOMEONE ACROSS THE STREET COME IN AND ASK FOR 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS? AND IF THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WANTS TO DEAL WITH LARGER LOTS IN GENERAL, THEN IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS WOULD BE WHAT YOU SHOULD LOOK FOR HERE.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE ACROSS THE FREEWAY IS GOING TO BE ASKING FOR 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.

UNTIL THEY DO THAT. WELL, NO, IT'S GOING TO BE SMALLER LOTS THAN THAT.

IF THERE'S RESIDENTIAL THAT'S ALREADY FAIRLY HEAVILY ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL AND IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION OVER THERE.

IT'S, ON THE EC 1 CORRIDOR AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

OKAY. ANY OTHERS QUESTIONS ON THIS SIDE OF THE DAIS? THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE CONCERN ABOUT IS IF THE MILL'S PROPERTY IS GOING TO GO COMMERCIAL, THEN YOU KNOW THERE'S NO BUFFER DESIGNED INTO YOUR PART AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO DO THAT.

BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M WORRIED ABOUT. HE'S GOING TO BE HAVING THE BURDEN OF DOING THE ALL THE JOINING UP TO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.

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YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR POINT. I MEAN, IN FULL DISCLOSURE, WE'VE APPROACHED THE LANDOWNER ABOUT POTENTIALLY GETTING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT. THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE NOT GONE ANYWHERE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I FOR OUR PROPERTY, WE FEEL LIKE RESIDENTIAL IS A MUCH BETTER USE UNDERSTANDING THAT MIGHT IMPACT SOME THINGS.

BUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT POTENTIALLY LIMITING SOME OF THE ADJACENCY CONFLICTS PROBABLY IS A GOOD WAY TO SPLIT THE BABY.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER TO DO IS IF THIS IS SHIFTED TO RESIDENTIAL LAND USE, WE CAN EXCLUDE THAT SPECIFIC PARCEL FROM ANY OF THE IMPACTS FROM THAT. OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT STAFF HAS SAID, THAT THEY CAN DIRECT CITY ATTORNEY INTO INVESTIGATING WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION, IF THAT'S WHAT WE CHOOSE TO DO FOR THE REASONS YOU'RE OUTLINING. WELL, AND I AND I THINK HONESTLY, WHO WHOEVER IS GOING TO BE BUYING INTO LOT 17 AND 18.

THOSE ARE THE ADJACENT LOTS ARE BUYING IN WITH THE LAND USE.

EYES WIDE OPEN. EYES WIDE OPEN. ADJACENT PROPERTY WITH LAND USE PLAN OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

SO EYES WIDE OPEN. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS SIDE OF THE DAIS? I'M GOOD. OKAY. WELL, WE MAY. MR. CHAIRMAN BEFORE WE DEPART.

YES. APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. THE APPLICATIONS THEY'VE SUBMITTED ARE FOR THREE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS UNDER THE ZONING.

AND THE RESIDENTIAL WAS AN SF-20. AND THE OTHER PORTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL WAS AN SF-1A.

BASICALLY EXTENDING THAT OR CONSUMING WHAT IS THE NON RESIDENTIAL MAY APPEARS TO BE DOABLE WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THIS APPLICATION. AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE ONE CONCERN WITH THAT IS FROM THE NOTIFICATIONS THAT WENT OUT, THE THE NOTICE RECEIVED BY WHOEVER OWNS THE OFFICE, COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATED PROPERTY TO THE I GUESS NORTH OF THIS MAY HAVE BEEN FINE WITH HOW THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS DONE AND HASN'T HAD PROPER NOTICE TO ADDRESS THIS. SO THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS THE LOTS ON 114 FRONTAGE DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE SF-20, WHICH IS PART OF THIS.

AND IN ORDER TO DO LOTS OF THAT SIZE, THEY WOULD NEED A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT APPLICATION TO PURSUE THAT LIKELY PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. POTENTIALLY [INAUDIBLE].

OKAY. SO HOW WOULD YOU RECOMMEND PROCESS WISE? WELL, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE APPLICANT AND THEIR RESPONSE TO THIS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, WHETHER THOSE LOTS COULD BE DONE TO MEET THE SF-20 REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE PART OF THE APPLICATION.

AND THEN IF THERE'S MEASURES THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE THAT, THAT DON'T NECESSARILY IMPACT THE OFFICE COMMERCIAL LAND USE, IT COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE PLAN OPTIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL . THE OTHER POSSIBLE MORE PRUDENT POINT OF THAT IS HAVE A DISCUSSION, HOLD PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WILL HELP KIND OF SHAPE AND GUIDE THIS APPLICATION, I PRESUME.

AND THEN THE APPLICANT COULD TABLE IT AND WE COULD RE NOTIFY FOR A LATER MEETING TO BE VERY CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC AS FAR AS WHAT THE APPLICATION BEING BROUGHT FORWARD IS. SO IF IT CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION SUBMITTED.

I MIGHT GET THE APPLICANTS FEED. BEFORE WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING I GUESS MIGHT GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT IN TERMS OF.

AS FAR AS DELAYING GO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE THAT THIS PLAN WAS DESIGNED TO MEET THE RPV STANDARDS.

YEAH, BUT OBVIOUSLY I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM STAFF THAT.

WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE. TRICKY TO MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT IT NOT BEING KIND OF PRESENTED AS A PUD.

IF STAFF IS MORE COMFORTABLE WITH US TABLING AFTER WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT AND AND REVISING THE APPLICATION SPECIFICALLY FOR THE R, WE CAN DO THAT. THAT'S NOT IT'S NOT A HUGE PROBLEM.

SO NEIGHBORS SHOWED UP. I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS HEAR THEIR FEEDBACK.

NO. AND I AND I'M SENSITIVE TO TRYING TO MAKE THIS AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE AND NOT HAVE NEIGHBORS COME OUT TO 5 TO 6 MEETINGS.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF I GUESS PROCESS WISE, WE DON'T WANT TO GET CROSSWAYS ON NOTIFICATIONS.

AND WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MEET A TEN DAY BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING TIME FRAME FOR RE NOTICE AS FAR AS A COURTESY NOTICE. AND SO THAT MAY PUSH US INTO A APRIL TIME FRAME, WHICH WOULD BE APRIL 3RD.

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WE WOULD NEED TO PROCESS THOSE NOTICES TOMORROW.

AND I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT WITH WHAT'S ALREADY IN OUR QUEUE FOR THIS NOTICE PERIOD. MEANING THERE'S NOT A SECOND MEETING IN MARCH.

THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. SECOND MEETING YES. WELL, MAYBE WE CAN GET INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

WHY DON'T WE DO A PUBLIC. DISCUSS? YOU GUYS DISCUSS BECAUSE THIS IS MORE OF THE BLOCKING AND TACKLING. SOUNDS LIKE BIG PICTURE.

PERFECT. THERE'S SOME CONSENSUS IN TERMS OF. BUT IT'S THE DETAILS.

SO. YEAH, WHY DON'T WE. WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? WE CAN ALWAYS CALL YOU BACK UP AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THE REST OF IT, AND WE'LL DO PUBLIC HEARING.

SOUNDS GOOD. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU.

AND MAYBE BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING, JUST KIND OF A QUICK MAYBE AROUND THE DAIS, I GUESS YOU KNOW, I MEAN, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE TEND TO OPERATE TOWARDS OUR LAND USE PLAN FOR A LOT OF REASONS, AND IT'S PUT TOGETHER THROUGH A LOT OF CONSENSUS OF THE RESIDENTS.

AND OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT TO ME, YOU KNOW, SEEMED TO WARRANT SOME ATTENTION TO CONSIDER CHANGING IT IN TERMS OF ADJACENT RESIDENTS KIND OF HAVING DIRECT IMPACT AND AS USUAL, KIND OF BEING MORE OF A DOWN ZONING OR A DE-DENSIFYING OF THE AREA WHERE POTENTIALLY EVERYBODY SEEMS LIKE THEY MIGHT BE ON THE SAME PAGE WE'LL HEAR.

AND IT'S JUST A TRICKY PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN KIND OF A NARROW, NARROW ONE, MID-BLOCK, SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL THAT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S OTHER SITES ALONG 114 THAT ARE KIND OF MORE APT TO HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL BENT TO THEM. SO THAT FOR ME, I GUESS I'M OPEN MINDED, LIKE AS AN EXAMPLE TO WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN HERE.

IN TERMS OF KIND OF BEING A COMPROMISE FOR THIS SPECIFIC SITE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE.

I MEAN, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, SEE WHAT THE RESIDENTS THINK, BUT ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO COMMENT BEFORE WE DO THAT PART? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS AS GOOD A PLAN AS WE'RE GOING TO GET ON THIS, UNLESS THEY WERE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF LOTS, YOU KNOW, ALONG 114 AND MAKE THOSE LARGER LOTS.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'D BE THAT MUCH BENEFIT TO THE PROJECT, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, THIS, THE TOPOGRAPHY ON THIS LAND REALLY IS AN ISSUE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT GETS WORSE THE FURTHER NORTH YOU GO.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME STUFF YOU SPECIAL CONDITIONS HERE WE'VE GOT YOU DON'T SEE IN A LOT OF PLACES IN THE CITY FOR SURE.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO WEIGH IN NOW OR. YEAH. I MEAN I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS BROUGHT UP ON THE FLY ON THIS SINCE IT'S SORT OF A NEW PLAN AND I MEAN THE UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY THE ENTRANCE EXIT AND, AND WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO ON 114 TO MAKE THAT WORK.

YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK REALLY HAVING THOUGHT IT, YOU REALLY WANT TO THINK IT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE YOU BRING IT BACK? BECAUSE I'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.

I LIKE THE SITE BETTER LIKE THIS VERSUS THE OFFICE COMPONENT.

IT'S JUST NOT QUITE THERE. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS MORE WORK.

YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY I MEAN, I KIND OF AGREE.

I THINK THE RESIDENTIAL LOOKS BETTER. A LITTLE MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND IT.

THE LOT SIZE DOES CONCERN ME ALONG 114 I REALIZED, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T DO A LOT THERE, BUT IT ALSO KIND OF GIVES ME THAT WEIRD FEELING.

YOU KNOW, I WON'T NAME NAMES, BUT YOU DRIVE AROUND CERTAIN AREAS AND YOU DRIVE BY FREEWAYS, AND IT'S JUST LINED UP HOUSES THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, LOOK LIKE GARBAGE THROWN UP.

I REALIZE WE'RE IN SOUTHLAKE. YOU GUYS AREN'T GOING TO BUILD GARBAGE THERE.

IT JUST HAS THAT WEIRD FEEL WITH THAT SMALL OF A LOT.

AND SO I KIND OF ECHO WHAT DAVID SAID. YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAYBE IT NEEDS A LITTLE MORE PLANNING, A LITTLE MORE FINESSING. I REALIZE WE'RE PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO GET A WALL BAR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE WALLS FOR SOUND MITIGATION. SO I'M NOT REAL WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

I CAN'T EVER SEE COUNCIL DOING THAT. BUT THERE PROBABLY NEEDS SOME FINE TUNING MAYBE.

AND I DO THINK I REALIZE IT'S DIFFERENT ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT I COULD SURE SEE A DEVELOPER COMING IN AND SAYING, OH MY GOD, NOW WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, 17,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND BRINGING IN ALL KINDS OF JUST CRAZINESS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

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I'M JUST WONDERING IF MAYBE WE NEED TO FINE TUNE IT A LITTLE BIT.

SO ANYONE ELSE WANT TO WEIGH IN? I MEAN, OVERALL, I AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID, BUT I HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE EVEN IF YOU MAKE THAT AN EXIT ONLY ONTO THE 114 SIDE, THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME A VERY, VERY BUSY CUT THROUGH.

IF YOU CAN DO THAT. AND I JUST THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I'M FINE IN GENERAL. AND I THINK, AND I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE OF WHERE THE LINE GOES FROM A CONCEPT PLAN AND THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL.

AND SO I THINK IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS A CONCEPT TO SEE, OKAY, IF THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO, THEN THEY CAN PUT MORE EFFORT INTO THE DETAILS.

BUT THAT'S OKAY. AND I WILL JUST SAY REAL QUICKLY, I'M TAKING THE APPLICANT AT THEIR WORD.

I MEAN, I DO WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY, BECAUSE IF THEY COME UP AND SAY, OH, THIS LOOKS LIKE TRASH, I DON'T WANT IT, THEN.

WE'VE RECEIVED A FEW THINGS. YEAH.

REGARD TO LUMBER, IN THESE CASES WHERE WE'RE DE-DENSIFYING SITES, THERE ARE TRADE OFFS TO THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TO THE EXTENT WHERE YOU TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GET TOO BIG ON LOT SIZES THERE AGAINST THE FREEWAY, IT BECOMES NON ECONOMICAL TO MAKE THE TRADE OFF WHEN YOU'RE THE LANDOWNER AND YOU GO FOR THE DENSER USE.

AND I THINK SOUNDS LIKE POTENTIALLY THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO INCENT.

SO PERSONALLY, TO ME, IF IT ENDS UP KIND OF INCENTING THIS TO GO IN A LOWER, YOU KNOW, LOWER INTENSITY OF USE, THAT COULD BE A TRADE OFF WORTH CONSIDERING. BUT OKAY.

WITH THAT WHAT WE WILL DO AND STAFF, PLEASE NOD YOUR HEADS TO MAKE SURE I'M BEING DOING THIS THE RIGHT WAY.

WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE AT THE SAME TIME, SO THAT I CAN SATISFY THAT. SO THIS IS OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE.

ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD ON THIS ITEM AND SPEAK I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS, SO WE CAN JUST DO THIS IN AN ORDERLY MANNER. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THE MICROPHONE.

REMEMBER, IT'S THREE MINUTES. YOU'LL SEE THE LITTLE LIGHTS UP THERE.

AND APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TONIGHT? YEAH. GOOD EVENING, JOHN SPIRE.

I'M ON FOX GLEN ADJACENT TO THIS SHIVER'S PROPERTY, AND I KNOW IT WAS IN THE SHIVERS FAMILY FOR OVER 100 YEARS, AND A LITTLE SURPRISING TO US THAT THEY HAD SOLD IT ALREADY, BUT WE'RE FULLY IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL FOR THAT WHOLE AREA THERE.

I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2007 AND WATCHED LOTS GET A LITTLE BIT SMALLER OVER THAT TIME AND UNDERSTAND IT, BUT WE PREFER RESIDENTIAL FOR SURE. NEIGHBORS ACROSS FROM ME BACK UP TO THAT PROPERTY.

SO TREES WERE IMPORTANT TO THEM. AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE ENTRANCE, NOT A PASS THROUGH.

WE WERE QUITE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT PLAN OF HAVING THAT SMALL ROUNDABOUT THERE.

IF YOU'LL HUMOR ME, I'LL TRY TO READ THIS REAL FAST.

I SENT THIS TO THE NEIGHBORS ON THE STREET, THE 18 HOMES, AND I THINK IT KIND OF SUMS UP THE WAY I WAS FEELING.

AND WE WERE FEELING. THREE OF US MADE THIS MEETING TONIGHT.

RYAN, TIPPENBERG AND SPIRE. SOUNDS LIKE A LAW FIRM TO ME.

[LAUGHTER] THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 20 RESIDENTS FROM OUR IMMEDIATE AREA IN ATTENDANCE.

THE DEVELOPERS PRESENTED ABOUT FOUR VARIATIONS OF A PLAN.

THERE WAS UNANIMOUS PRAISE FOR AN ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN.

NO OFFICE, NO RETAIL. IT WAS A RESOUNDING VOTE FROM THE AUDIENCE.

THE DEVELOPERS SAY THEY PREFER THAT OPTION ALSO.

THIS BEING RESIDENTIAL PLAN C THAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT WHICH I THINK IS THAT PLAN.

THERE WAS AN ENTRY STREET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLOTTED MUCH CLOSER TO OUR STREET ON THE OLD SIDE OF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF UTLEY'S LOG CABIN, WHICH WE DID NOT PREFER. THE PLAN MOST PEOPLE PREFER HAD THE ENTRY STREET ALIGNED WITH GARDEN COURT.

MAKES SENSE. WE SHOULD ALL VOTE FOR THAT. NO ONE WAS IN FAVOR OF A DIRECT CONNECTION THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM SHADY OAKS TO 114.

EVERYONE SAID KEEP TREES, BUT WE ALL KNOW MANY WILL COME DOWN FOR 29 HOMES TO BE BUILT ON 21 ACRES A LOT OF TREES WILL HAVE TO COME DOWN STREETS, DRIVEWAYS, FOUNDATIONS.

AND BASICALLY I'M JUST SUMMARIZING THE FACT THAT A LOT OF TREES ARE GOING TO COME DOWN. THAT'S INEVITABLE WITH ANYTHING THAT GOES THERE.

BUT WE'LL KEEP MORE OF THOSE, I THINK, WITH HOMES THAN WE WILL WITH OFFICE BUILDINGS.

AND EVEN WHEN YOU DISTURB THE ROOTS OF THOSE TREES, SOMETIMES THEY DIE A YEAR OR TWO LATER WHEN YOU MESS WITH THAT.

WE WOULD LIKE A TALL FENCE AS POSSIBLE. AS TALL A FENCE AS POSSIBLE BETWEEN THE HOMES THAT BACK TO THE PROPERTY? WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT [INAUDIBLE] HAD SOLD THE LAND.

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I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE BEAT THE DRUM LOUDLY THAT WE WOULD WANT SOME SMALL OFFICE BUILDING NOT A FAST FOOD OR TINY STRIP MALL.

AGAIN, WE'RE VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS. SO THAT KIND OF CAPSULATES THE WAY I FELT AND THAT WE FELT, AND WE'RE SO HAPPY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE 110,000 SQUARE FOOT KROGER ACROSS THE HIGHWAY.

AND WE SURE WOULD LOVE TO SEE RESIDENTIAL HERE VERSUS ANY OFFICE BUILDINGS.

OKAY. WELL, NOW, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. APPRECIATE YOU STICKING TO THREE MINUTES.

PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN FOR ANYBODY ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

SAME DRILL PLEASE. NAME AND ADDRESS. IF YOU DON'T MIND, MARK VYSOTSKY.

I TOO LIVE ON FOX GLEN 511 FOX GLEN. I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSAL.

MY ONLY QUESTION IS, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A WALL ALONG 114 FOR NOISE REDUCTION.

IS THAT RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN SOUTHLAKE YET.

I THINK WE JUST NEED TO VET THAT OUT. I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF NOISE BARRIER.

SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY DON'T HAVE TIME TO STARE TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE LEFT TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP WITH THE NOISE REDUCTION.

AND TALK ABOUT A BUFFERING ON OUR STREET. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HAVE A WALL VERSUS A FENCE, BUT THAT WOULD HELP TOO. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR COMING OUT. PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN FOR ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

SAME DRILL PLEASE. NAME AND ADDRESS. THANKS FOR COMING OUT.

SO MY NAME IS TONY GONSALVES. MY ADDRESS IS SEVEN 1740 SHADY OAKS DRIVE.

SO DIRECTLY OPPOSITE THIS PROPERTY. SO I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, BUT I THINK MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORS ALSO BELIEVE THAT RESIDENTIAL IS PREFERABLE TO THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, AND WE ACTUALLY LIKE THIS DESIGN. I THINK THAT A BUFFERING WALL ALONG THE 114 SIDE, YOU KNOW, FOR SOUND BUFFERING WOULD BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BY TAKING DOWN A LOT OF THOSE TREES, YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF NOISE, NOT JUST FOR THE NEW RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA, BUT ALSO FOR THOSE PEOPLE IN GARDEN COURT AND STUFF.

SO SO WE THINK HAVING A 12 FOOT BUFFERING WALL ALONG THE 114 SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL. I DO THINK THAT HAVING THE CUTOUT MATCH GARDEN COURT IS A REALLY GOOD THING BECAUSE HAVING, YOU KNOW, TWO CUTOUTS BETWEEN THE FOX GLEN ONE AND THIS ONE, SIDE BY SIDE, IT'S JUST ONE ADDITIONAL CROSS STREET TO SHADY OAKS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT WE HAD A FAIRLY BIG ACCIDENT THAT HIT OUR PROPERTY AND OUR FENCE AND STUFF QUITE RECENTLY. AND SO ANY ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT TO HAVE IT MATCH UP WITH GARDEN COURT SO THAT WE HAVE ONE LESS CUTOUT WE THINK WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD THING. BUT BUT WE DO LIKE THIS ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN.

AND SO SPEAKING FOR MYSELF WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.

OKAY. NO THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. APPRECIATE IT.

PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN FOR ANYONE LIKE TO COME UP AND JOIN US HERE.

NAME AND ADDRESS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GREG KRAUS.

I LIVE AT 596 GARDEN COURT AND I AM PRESIDENT OF THE GARDEN COURT HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION.

IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO REPEAT THE GOOD COMMENTS THAT PRIOR SPEAKERS HAVE HAVE MADE.

BUT I WANTED TO REITERATE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT FOR AN ALL RESIDENTIAL CONFIGURATION.

I WILL GO ON RECORD AS SAYING THAT WHEN THE SIX ACRE MILLS TRACT EVENTUALLY COMES UP, WE WILL BE PUSHING FOR RESIDENTIAL THERE AS WELL. WE FEEL THAT COMMERCIAL IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SHADY OAKS RESIDENTIAL CORRIDOR, AND JUST LOOKING AT THE RESULTS OF THE BANK TRACT JUST ACCELERATING THAT, YOU KNOW, TIMES 3 OR 4 AND THE CLEAR CUTTING THAT WILL BE INVOLVED WILL REALLY DETRACT FROM THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND REALLY DETRACT FROM THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. JUST TO REITERATE YOU KNOW, WE WILL LOSE TREES HERE.

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AND I THINK THAT THE SOUND MITIGATION AND SOUND ATTENUATION EFFORTS THAT A WALL COULD CREATE TO OFFSET THE LOSS OF THOSE TREES, THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE NOISE INTO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES OF FOX GLEN AND GARDEN COURT CAN'T BE OVEREMPHASIZED.

SO WHILE I KNOW THAT THERE'S A PRECEDENT, I'M SURE THAT THERE'S A DESIGN THAT CAN BE ATTRACTIVE, AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD CERTAINLY ADD TO THE MARKETABILITY OF THOSE LOTS 16 OR 7 TO 16.

SO WE ENCOURAGE YOUR CONSIDERATION THERE. AND YOU KNOW, FOR ANY FINE PROJECT, I THINK THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS, AND I THINK THAT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE A TABLING OF THIS PLAN TO REALLY SORT OF THINK THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS AND MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THE SPONSORS COME BACK, IT REALLY IS WELL THOUGHT OUT AND THAT THE NEIGHBORS CAN CAN OFFER THEIR SUPPORT YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT WE THINK CAN BE A VERY NICE COMMUNITY IF EXECUTED PROPERLY.

THANKS. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. ANY OTHER LAST SPEAKERS BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MAYBE WE'LL JUST ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP IF YOU DON'T MIND REAL QUICK.

I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL RECORDED, SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND LISTEN TO IT IF YOU MISSED ANYTHING, BUT SOUNDS LIKE.

I MEAN, I THINK THE FOCUS AREAS WOULD BE WHAT EXACTLY YOU WOULD PROPOSE FOR THE ACCESS POINT ALONG 114 JUST KNOWING THAT WHAT YOU DO PROPOSE CAN OBVIOUSLY INVOLVE SOME STACKING DEPTH ISSUES, SOME, YOU KNOW, RIGHT TURN ONLY, YOU KNOW, DECELERATION LANES THAT WOULD TAKE TREES AWAY, ETCETERA. I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME GIVE AND TAKE THERE VERSUS JUST HAVING IT BE EXIT ONLY OR EMERGENCY WHERE YOU MAYBE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.

SO. SURE. VETTING THAT OUT, VETTING OUT KIND OF THE SOUND ATTENUATION WALL ITEM FENCE ITEM LANDSCAPE BARRIER, YOU KNOW, JUST MAYBE SOME RENDERINGS ABOUT WHAT COULD BE PROPOSED WORK WITH CITY STAFF, NEIGHBORS. OBVIOUSLY, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO TABLE AND SEE WHAT OPTIONS YOU COULD COME UP WITH ALONG THERE THAT CAN MAYBE BE HELPFUL WITH THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE STREET LINED UP WITH GARDEN COURT, SO WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO HIT ON THAT, I GUESS. WHAT OTHER ITEMS OF FEEDBACK WOULD PEOPLE GIVE? I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL IF YOU GUYS COULD ADDRESS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT WHEN IT INEVITABLY COMES UP.

MAYBE IT DOESN'T. WHICH SIDE. WHICH SIDE WHICH ROAD? THE OTHER SIDE OF 114 I KNOW IT'S VERY DIFFERENT, BUT THE WHOLE PRECEDENT ISSUE.

BUT MAYBE EXPLAIN THAT TO US. YEAH. I MEAN, THE CITY TAKES EVERY CASE AS IT COMES.

SURE. AS YOU KNOW., I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COME BACK.

THERE'S NO LEGAL PRECEDENTIAL VALUE TO JUST LIKE THE SMALLER LOTS IN CARROLL.

DON'T GIVE US PRECEDENT TO DO, YOU KNOW, 7000 LOTS, 7000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS HERE.

SO I DON'T I MEAN, HAPPY TO KIND OF THINK THROUGH IT OFFLINE, BUT THAT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY BEARING ON OUR PROJECT.

WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IT DOES FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND SAY, WE DON'T WANT YOU SETTING A PRECEDENT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET 17,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS ACROSS THE FREEWAY.

AND I KNOW, CURTIS, YOU REFERENCED REASONS WHY WE WEREN'T BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT ZONES AND DIFFERENT LAND USE PLAN AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

JUST I'M NOT SAYING I WANT IT NOW, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I THINK YOU NEED TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT AT SOME POINT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME UP. YEAH. I'LL SAY. I MEAN, EVERY CASE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

THIS ONE'S GOT ITS OWN UNIQUE MERITS AND HAPPY TO TALK THROUGH, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE ON LOT SIZE AND WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE ON LOT SIZE ON THIS ONE. NO PROBLEM AT ALL. OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT.

GOOD FOR NOW. I HAVE A GENERAL COMMENT THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING UP ABOUT THE SOUND ISOLATION WALL.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE A SITUATION COME UP LIKE WE'VE GOT BEHIND CENTRAL MARKET NOW.

SOME OF THE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT BACKED UP TO WHERE CENTRAL MARKET WERE JUST HAD A FIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOISE THEY WERE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE EQUIPMENT AND THE TRUCKS COMING IN.

AND WE BUILT THIS, WHAT THEY REFERRED TO AS A PRISON WALL IN THEIR BACKYARD.

AND IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW NICE THE WALL LOOKS, THAT IF ANYBODY DRIVES BY THERE BEHIND THE CENTRAL MARKET, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE. I BELIEVE THAT WALL IS 14FT AND IT'S A NICE MASONRY WALL, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE BACK THERE SAY THAT THEY COULD PLAY HANDBALL IN THEIR BACKYARD

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SO THESE ARE SMALLER LOTS TO START WITH. AND IF YOU GO THROWING THIS MONSTER WALL UP THERE, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ACCEPTABLE WAY TO DO IT MYSELF.

WELL, WE'RE OPEN TO WORKING WITH STAFF AND WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOME SORT OF SOUND MITIGATION.

100%. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE DO DOESN'T INCREASE THE TREES WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT.

SO, BUT YEAH, WE'LL WE'RE HAPPY TO TABLE THIS.

WE CAN BRING IT BACK. AND I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THE, FOR DEALING WITH THIS CURVEBALL BECAUSE THIS ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN REALLY WAS A PRETTY LATE ADDITION TO KIND OF WHAT WE WERE GOING TO ASK YOU GUYS FOR YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO CORRIDOR, ALSO BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS AND WHAT WE THINK IS A BETTER USE FOR THE SITE.

SO THAT'S WHY THIS ONE FEELS A LITTLE HALF BAKED.

IT WAS PRETTY LATE IN THE GAME, BUT WE'RE OKAY TABLING TILL, I GUESS THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL.

OKAY, SO WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF TO TABLE THAT.

NO WE APPRECIATE YOU ENGAGING IN OUTREACH WITH THE NEIGHBORS BEFORE THIS STAGE.

OF COURSE. SO THAT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED AND HELPFUL TO THE PROCESS.

SORRY WE DON'T HAVE A SPRING BREAK MEETING, BUT YOU KNOW.

YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO DO THIS FROM THE SKI SLOPES OR NO? YOU KNOW, BIRTHDAYS AND WEDDING ANNIVERSARIES ARE ENOUGH.

THANKS. SO NO, I APPRECIATE THE OUTREACH THERE.

I THINK WE ALL DO. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HEARD TONIGHT, THERE'S DEFINITELY ADJACENT NEIGHBOR SUPPORT FOR THIS USE.

SO JUST WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE LAST DETAILS AND FINE TUNING THE PROPOSAL, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'LL BE GOOD TO GO. SURE. SO I GUESS WITH THAT, WE'LL WE'LL JUST FIGURE OUT A TABLING AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST HERE, I GUESS, FOR ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE. RIGHT? YEAH.

EIGHT AND NINE. YEAH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

DENNIS, DO WE NEED TO TABLE THAT SPECIFICALLY TO OUR APRIL 3RD. THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. ALL RIGHT. I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO TABLE ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE TO THE APRIL 3RD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S VOTE. PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

AND WE'LL SEE, I GUESS LIKELY SEE THE APPLICANT BACK HERE ON APRIL 3RD.

I'M SURE THEY'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE NEIGHBORS WITH KIND OF A REFINED PLAN.

THAT'S HOPEFULLY INCLUSIVE OF ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR.

SO WITH THAT THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE MEETING ON AT 7:45 P.M..

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.