[1. Call to Order.]
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I APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING OUT TONIGHT. THIS IS OUR MARCH 6TH MEETING.
THAT THERE'S AGENDAS IN THE BACK IF YOU'VE SEEN THEM IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, AND WE'LL TAKE IT IN THE ORDER THAT'S POSTED ON THE AGENDA.
[3. Administrative Comments.]
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND KICK THINGS OFF WITH ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS.YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT YOUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE ON APRIL 3RD.
OKAY. NO, I WAS GOING TO MAKE SURE WE NOTED THAT AS WELL.
THERE WAS NOT GOING TO BE A SECOND MEETING IN MARCH. SO IF YOU'RE EXCITED ABOUT LOCAL CITY GOVERNMENT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LEVEL, THIS IS YOUR MEETING IN MARCH TO GET ENJOYMENT OUT OF THAT.
[4. Chairman Comments.]
IN TERMS OF CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THESE MEETINGS BEFORE, JUST A REAL QUICK HEADS UP IN TERMS OF HOW THEY FUNCTION.AS WE GO THROUGH THE ITEMS STAFF WILL PRESENT A REPORT.
WE'LL ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS TO THEM THAT WE MIGHT HAVE.
THE APPLICANT WILL COME UP AND DO MAYBE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION.
PLEASE ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS JUST TO US NOT TO THE GALLERY.
AND THEY'RE JUST KIND OF COMMENTS AND WHAT ELSE WAS I GOING TO SAY ON THAT? THE COMMENTS THAT ARE MOST HELPFUL ARE THE ONES THAT PERTAIN TO THE ACTUAL MOTION THAT WE'RE HEARING THAT EVENING AND CAN MAYBE TAKE SOME ACTION ON.
AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN WE'LL JUST DEBATE IT AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH CONSENSUS FOR A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD MOVE ALONG TO CITY COUNCIL, POTENTIALLY AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SO THAT'S HOW THESE MEETINGS GO AND APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT TONIGHT. AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND KICK THINGS OFF IN THE ORDER ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THAT WAS HELD ON FEBRUARY 20TH.
[5. Consider: Approval of the minutes for the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on February 18, 2025.]
THE AGENDA, I THINK, ACCIDENTALLY SAYS 18TH, BUT JUST NOTING THAT'S FEBRUARY 20TH.WE'VE ALL BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THOSE MINUTES. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR EDITS ON THOSE MINUTES BEFORE WE CONSIDER A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON FEBRUARY 20TH, 2025. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE AND PASSES FIVE ZERO.
[6. Consider: ZA25-0007, Specific Use Permit for a commercial school for wresting instruction at 545 S. Nolen Dr., Ste. 250, on property described as Lot 8, Block 5, Cornerstone Business Park Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas. Current Zoning: "I-1" Light Industrial District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING]
NOLEN DRIVE. YES. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR SUP FOR A COMMERCIAL SCHOOL FOR WRESTLING INSTRUCTION AT 545 SOUTH NOLEN DRIVE, SUITE 250. THIS IS A VIEW SHOWING THE LOCATION.IT'S ON THE CORNER OF EXCHANGE BOULEVARD IN SOUTH NOLAN DRIVE.
THE FUTURE LAND USE IS INDUSTRIAL AND THE ZONING IS I-1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
THE HOURS ARE GOING TO BE 6 TO 9 P.M. ON WEEKDAYS, AND 10 TO 4 P.M.
GOING AROUND HERE AND EXITING ON EXCHANGE. THIS IS THE DROP OFF HERE.
AND THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED, JUST NOTING SOME OTHER SIMILAR USES IN THE AREA.
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I'D JUST LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE ORDINANCE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WAS AMENDED IN 2015 TO REQUIRE AN SUP FOR COMMERCIAL SCHOOLS AND I1 AND I2 DISTRICTS.SO SOME OF THESE HERE PREDATED THAT CHANGE. TPA BASEBALL THEY GOT THEIR CO IN 2010.
IMPACT FITNESS, THEY CAME IN IN 2012 AND D-BAT IS PERMITTED WITH THEIR SP TWO ZONING.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING, DO YOU MIND JUST COMING UP TO THE PODIUM REAL QUICK? MAYBE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS.
AND WHEN WE GOT THE SPACE, WE GOT THE LARGER SPACE BECAUSE WE ANTICIPATED TO USE IT AS A WAREHOUSE.
BUT OUR BUSINESS MODEL CHANGED WHERE WE DON'T NEED AS MUCH SPACE ANYMORE.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO DO WAS USE THE EXCESS SPACE FOR OUR WRESTLING SCHOOL.
I HAVE FOUR KIDS EITHER WRESTLED AT SOUTHLAKE HIGH SCHOOL OR CARROLL ISD, OR THEY ARE CURRENTLY WRESTLING. AND FOR ME TO GET GOOD WRESTLING INSTRUCTION, I DRIVE TO ALLEN.
I MEAN, LITERALLY IT WOULD TAKE ME SOMETIMES THREE HOURS.
AND SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS HAVE A WRESTLING SCHOOL.
OUR GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE A BIG SCHOOL, IT'S JUST TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD SCHOOL TO DEVELOP YOU KNOW, WRESTLERS IN THIS AREA SO WE CAN COMPETE WITH THE ALLEN AND THE ARLINGTON MARTINS.
SO, AND THAT'S WHY I'M REQUESTING AN SUP SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A SMALL FACILITY TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A PLACE WHERE KIDS CAN WRESTLE. THANK YOU.
AT ANY ONE TIME. THAT'S CORRECT. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A HUGE WE WANT TO HAVE MORE QUALITY.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. THANK YOU.
IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. SO, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING TO ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT.
SEEING NO ONE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MAYBE JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD, AS SOMEBODY THAT HAD A SON THAT WAS IN THE DRAGON WRESTLING PROGRAM, I'M VERY HAPPY TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP THEM COMPETE BETTER AGAINST ALLEN AND ARLINGTON MARTIN. SO BUT IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. SO, WITH THAT, I GUESS IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA ZA25-0007, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 28TH, 2024, AND ALSO SUBJECT TO OUR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025, AND NOTING THAT THE STAFF REPORT IS ACTUALLY FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025.
OKAY, I KNOW IT'S INCORRECT ON HERE. OKAY. AND THEN DO WE WANT TO PUT IT AS THE TERM IN ANY EXTENSIONS OF THE LEASE? THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT. YES I THINK AND LOOK AT STAFF ON THAT ONE.
I GUESS THAT SOUNDS LIKE, YEAH. OKAY. SO I'LL CATCH ON THAT IN TERMS OF.
I'LL AMEND THE MOTION TO BE FOR THE TERM OF THE LEASE AND ANY EXTENSIONS OF THE LEASE.
YES. NO, THAT'S A GOOD MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE.
AND PASSES FIVE ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THAT I THINK DENNIS WILL TELL ME IS IN EARLY APRIL.
APRIL 1ST. APRIL 1ST. AND THAT'S NO APRIL FOOL'S JOKE, RIGHT? MAKE A BAD JOKE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD AND.
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AND I GUESS I'LL ASK STAFF. IT'S OKAY IF WE HEAR ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT TOGETHER, I GUESS, ON THESE, SINCE THEY GO TOGETHER IN ITEM SEVEN. ZONING CHANGE SITE PLAN FOR 2250 EAST CONTINENTAL.AND ITEM EIGHT IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL FOR THE NEVIS ACADEMY.
YES. YEAH. THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED BY GATEWAY CHURCH.
AND THE APPLICANT IS. WHAT IF WE COULD DOING BUSINESS AS THE NOVUS ACADEMY? THEY HAVE TWO REQUESTS HERE. THE FIRST ONE IS A ZA25008.
THEY'RE ASKING. THEY'RE SEEKING APPROVAL OF A ZONING CHANGE AND A SITE PLAN.
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PRIVATE SCHOOL AS A PERMITTED USE WITH AN SUP I-1 DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY ALLOW FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS.IT ALLOWS THEM FOR COMMERCIAL SCHOOLS, BUT NOT FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS. SO THEIR SECOND REQUEST IS FOR ZA25-0009, AND THAT IS FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL FOR THE NOVUS ACADEMY.
AND AGAIN THE LOCATION IS 2250 EAST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD.
THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE ON THE CORNER.
THE ZONING, AS I MENTIONED, WAS IS I-1, AND THE LAND USE IS INDUSTRIAL.
AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, CURRENT SITE PLAN.
THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE.
AND THIS IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ON THIS EXHIBIT HERE, BUT IF YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THEIR TRAFFIC EXHIBIT SHOWING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH HERE FOR THE DROP OFF. I HAVE A COUPLE OF STREET VIEW PICTURES OF THE SITE.
ALONG WITH 17 STAFF MEMBERS FOR THEIR FIRST YEAR.
IN IN SOUTHLAKE. THEY ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED IN GRAPEVINE.
THEIR LEASE IS ENDING, SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO MOVE TO SOUTHLAKE.
AND THEY ALSO DO OFFER A SUMMER PROGRAM IN JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST.
WE HAVE RECEIVED NO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE, FOR EITHER CASE, FOR THE ZONING OR THE SUP. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THE APPLICANT ALSO DOES HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE. OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? WHO WOULDN'T MIND COMING UP AND STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
WE APPRECIATE YOU ONLY HAVING SEVERAL SLIDES.
WE JUST MADE TWO. MY NAME IS AMY RICHARD. I'M THE HEAD OF SCHOOL AT THE NOVUS ACADEMY.
AND THIS IS AMY MARTIN. SHE'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF THE NOVUS ACADEMY.
ADDRESS IS 3400 WILLIAM D TATE, GRAPEVINE, TEXAS.
SO WE ARE A K-12 SCHOOL WHO SERVES STUDENTS WITH LEARNING DIFFERENCES LIKE ADHD, DYSLEXIA, AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER, OR OTHER TYPES OF CHALLENGES.
WE SERVE THE DFW METROPLEX, BUT THE MAJORITY OF OUR KIDS COME FROM SOUTHLAKE, COLLEYVILLE, GRAPEVINE, THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. WE ARE A FULLY ACCREDITED, ACCREDITED SCHOOL AND WE ARE EVIDENCE BASED, PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION AND MEANINGFUL PROGRAM.
WE'RE DESIGNED FOR THOSE KIDS THAT FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS IN PUBLIC SCHOOL AND NEED A SMALLER ENVIRONMENT, NEED SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS OFFERED IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL.
WE HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR TEN YEARS, AND WE'VE MADE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY SINCE 2014.
WE WOULD BE THE FIRST OF THIS TYPE OF SCHOOL IN SOUTHLAKE.
THERE'S NOT ANOTHER SCHOOL THAT THAT PROVIDES THE SAME TYPES OF SERVICES THAT WE DO.
SO WE REALLY FEEL LIKE WE CAN MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE JUST HAVE A REALLY UNIQUE APPROACH TO EDUCATING STUDENTS WITH LEARNING DIFFERENCES.
IT'S UNLIKE ANYTHING AROUND. WE ARE A SMALL SCHOOL.
WE ONLY SERVE THIS YEAR 54 STUDENTS WE DON'T ANTICIPATE TO GROW BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, BUT WE WILL NOT BE CAUSING ANY TRAFFIC DELAYS.
WE CAN STAGGER OUR DROP OFF EVEN MORE THAN WE CURRENTLY DO IN OUR IN OUR PICKUP TIMES IF NEEDED.
SO WE DO NOT BRING ANY KIND OF SAFETY CONCERNS THAT ARE GOING TO REQUIRE INCREASED POLICE, FIRE OR PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY PRECAUTIONS TO THE AREA.
SO YEAH, NO THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND WHERE IS THE BUILDING CURRENTLY I GUESS, WHICH WHERE ON WILLIAM D TATE IS IT? WE ARE IN BETWEEN STONE MYERS AND HALL JOHNSON RIGHT OFF WILLIAM D TATE, AND ACTUALLY THE 121 ACCESS ROAD.
OKAY, OKAY. JUST DOWN FROM HOLY TRINITY ON THE SAME SIDE AS HOLY TRINITY.
AND WHAT ROUGH TIMES. I GUESS YOU SAID STAGGERED.
BUT YEAH, IN THE MORNING OUR DROP OFF RUNS FROM 7:50 TO 8:10 IN THE MORNING.
AND THEN IN THE AFTERNOON IT STARTS AT 3:30 AND IT'S USUALLY DONE BY FOUR, 04:00 AT THE LATEST, BECAUSE WE HAVE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS WHERE SOME PEOPLE STAY AFTER, BUT USUALLY 3:30 TO 3:40 IS THE PICK UP TIME FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE STUDENTS.
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OKAY. AND IT SOUNDED LIKE I GUESS FROM THE APPLICATION IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE LOSING YOUR CURRENT FACILITIES.YES. THE BUILDING WE WERE IN WAS PURCHASED AND THEY ARE TAKING THE WHOLE BUILDING.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS KIND OF TALK ABOUT THOSE.
HOW LATE DO THOSE GO? HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I WOULD SAY SO OUR AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM RUNS FROM 3:30 TO 4:30.
THERE'S NOT MORE THAN 10 TO 12 STUDENTS IN THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM AT ALL.
GOTCHA. OKAY. YEAH. WE HAVE CLUBS AND AFTERCARE AVAILABLE UNTIL 4:30.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE'LL CALL YOU UP. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH ITEMS SEVEN AND EIGHT TOGETHER.
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND COMMENT ON THAT ITEM.
AND SEEING NO ONE, I GUESS I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. ANYTHING? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT IT SEEMS LIKE A BENEFICIAL THING FOR THE AREA TO HAVE IT HERE AND, YOU KNOW, WISH THEM WELL.
SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT SCHOOL. ALL RIGHT. TAKE GOOD.
TAKE THEM. MAYBE TAKE THEM SEPARATE ONE AT A TIME.
AND WE WANT TO DO THE SUP, I GUESS BASED ON THE TERM OF THE LEASE AGAIN.
YEAH. TERM OF THE LEASE AGAIN. SO. YEAH. GOOD CATCH AGAIN, MR. VICE CHAIR. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA.
ZA 25-0008, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025, AND ALSO SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. A LOT OF SECONDS THERE. OKAY. LET'S VOTE PLEASE.
ZA 25-0009. SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025.
ALSO SUBJECT TO THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025, AND NOTING THAT THE APPROVAL OF THE SUP IS FOR THE LENGTH OF THE TERM OF THE LEASE AND ANY EXTENSIONS OF THE LEASE.
OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
ALL RIGHT. GO AND VOTE, PLEASE. PASSES FIVE ZERO.
IF YOU'RE ABLE TO MAKE THE TIMING FOR THAT GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.
[9. Consider: ZA25-0013, Ordinance No. 480-GGGGG, amendments to the City of Southlake Zoning Ordinance No. 480, as amended, specifically pertaining to Section 47, Transition Zoning District (TZD). PUBLIC HEARING]
NUMBER NINE, WHICH APPARENTLY IS WHAT MOST OF THE GALLERY HERE IS TO SEE.SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP ITEM NUMBER NINE, STAFF PRESENTATION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-GGGGG.
AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE ZONING ORDINANCE 480, AS AMENDED.
DENNIS. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THE LINK ON THAT SLIDE SHOW WAS NOT PRESENT, SO I HAD TO JUMP ASIDE FOR A SECOND. I KNOW, YOU'RE A PROFESSIONAL.
I KNOW YOU CAN HANDLE THAT. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS WE'LL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THEN EVALUATE, EVALUATE POSSIBLE OPTIONS FOR REVISION.
THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED IN AUGUST OF 2005, IT WAS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SOUTHLAKE 2025 LAND USE PLAN UPDATE THAT TOOK PLACE THAT CREATED TWO OPTIONAL LAND USE CATEGORIES, REFERRED TO AS A T1 AND T2. THESE WERE, THE PURPOSE OF THESE WERE TO PROVIDE A FLEXIBLE ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWED FOR A MIXED USE
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DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS INCLUSIVE OF OFFICE, RETAIL, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BOTH ATTACHED AND DETACHED.THIS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN AMENDED, I BELIEVE, FOUR TIMES SINCE ITS ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
THE MORE SIGNIFICANT OF THOSE AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE REVISITED THE REGULATIONS ON THIS DISTRICT IN 2006 WITH REGARD TO HOW TO IT'S DENSITY STANDARD.
THE ORIGINAL ZONING OF THE TZD DID NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC DENSITY MAXIMUM SET.
THAT ORIGINAL VERSION OF IT ALSO INCLUDED BOTH SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED TYPE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL, SIMILAR TO A BROWNSTONE TYPE UNIT.
ONCE AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THE DISTRICT WAS TO CREATE A VERY FLEXIBLE ZONING TOOL THAT ALLOWED FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS HOW THE DISTRICT IS SET UP AND ITS STRUCTURE AND REGULATIONS.
IT'S INTENDED TO BE MIXED. IT INCLUDES THREE COMPONENTS, WHICH ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR RESIDENTIAL USE AREA, A RETAIL EDGE, WHICH WOULD POTENTIALLY BE A MIX OF LOW INTENSITY RETAIL, OFFICE AND SOME OTHER HOUSING TYPE UNITS LIKE WORK, LIVE WORK TYPE UNITS AND LOFT UNITS, POTENTIALLY. AND THEN YOU HAD YOUR MORE RETAIL EDGE DESIGNATED FOR RETAIL COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
THE T1 AND T2 REPRESENTS VARYING PERCENTAGES OF EACH OF THOSE.
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT WAS THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, IT ALLOWS THE CITY COUNCIL FLEXIBILITY TO PROVIDE MODIFICATIONS TO ANY OF THE REGULATIONS, INCLUDING HOW THE USES ARE MIXED. JUST A QUICK COMPARISON OF THE DISTRICT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER FLEXIBLE DISTRICTS THAT EXIST WITHIN THE CITY.
ZONING ORDINANCE. YOU HAVE THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT.
BOTH OF THOSE DISTRICTS ALLOW FOR MIXED USE, BOTH OF VARYING INTENSITIES, OF COURSE, BUT BOTH ALLOW FOR OFFICE, RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN THEM. THE TZD'S MORE NEIGHBORHOOD LOW INTENSITY TYPE RETAIL AND OFFICE. THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE A MORE INTENSE USE UP TO HOTEL OR MULTISTORY OFFICE AND RETAIL. THE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE ARE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THE NONRESIDENTIAL, OF COURSE, IS RESTRICTED TO NONRESIDENTIAL USES AS IN THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT.
SOME OF THESE HAVE MINIMUM AREA REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR THE ZONING.
SOME OF THESE DO IMPOSE ARE OVERLAY RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARDS.
THIS WOULD BE STANDARDS APPLY TO AN AREA THAT'S REQUESTING THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ABUTS AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THE PUD AND NON RESIDENTIAL PUD. THOSE OVERLAYS WOULD APPLY, BUT THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE DISTRICT DOES ALLOW FOR A DEVELOPER TO WRITE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD EXEMPT THEM OR MODIFY THE REGULATIONS AS TO HOW THEY APPLY THE
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DENSITY STANDARDS WITHIN THE VARYING DISTRICTS.THE TZD INCLUDES A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF TWO DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AT THIS TIME, BUT ONCE AGAIN ALLOWS CITY COUNCIL THE FLEXIBILITY TO APPROVE HIGHER DENSITIES IF PROPOSED AND APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA.
THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTIAL, IT SETS A CAP OF DENSITY OF 1.8 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND DOES NOT PERMIT DEVIATION FROM THAT. IT MUST BE AT OR BELOW THAT THAT DENSITY.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE NONRESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THEY DO NOT ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY USES WITHIN THEM OR TWO FAMILY USES.
DENSITY IS WHEN, WHEN APPLIED TO ZONING REGULATIONS, ALWAYS CALCULATES THAT DENSITY ON THE GROSS ACREAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, REGARDLESS OF ITS USE. YOU LOOK AT THE BOUNDARY OF THE REQUESTED ZONING DISTRICT CHANGE AND THAT GROSS AREA DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF UNITS BEING PROPOSED WITHIN THAT DIVIDED BY THE GROSS ACREAGE, PROVIDES YOU WHAT YOUR DENSITY CALCULATION IS FOR THOSE MINIMUM LOT DIMENSIONS. NONE OF THESE SET ANY TYPE OF SIZE OR DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENT ON THE LOT. THAT'S LEFT UP TO THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE OF AND CREATIVITY OF THE DEVELOPER.
SO THERE'S NO MINIMUM WIDTH, DEPTH OR AREA WITHIN ANY OF THESE FLEXIBLE DEVELOPMENT ZONING TOOLS. NOW THIS IS A MAP SHOWING WHERE OUR TZDS HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE CITY.
THERE'S BEEN EIGHT THAT ARE APPROVED. THIS GIVES AN AVERAGE DENSITY OF THE EIGHT THAT HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT THAT'S AT APPROXIMATELY TWO POINT OR 2.06 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THE RANGE OF THAT RUNS BETWEEN 1.58 AND 2.91 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THE RANGE OF LOT AREA SIZES AND SQUARE FEET IS ANYWHERE FROM 5700FT² TO 10,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM, AND THE AVERAGE IS THROUGHOUT. THE EIGHT DEVELOPMENTS IS BETWEEN 9200 AND 12,580.
THIS IS A TABLE JUST SHOWING THE DATA OF THE EIGHT THAT ARE PROPOSED THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND AUTHORIZED, ALONG WITH A FEW THAT WERE RECENTLY DENIED, OR ONE THAT IS ALSO IN PROCESS.
SOME OF THE RECENT CHALLENGES ENCOUNTERED AND THINGS TO CONSIDER WITH THE REVISION HERE ARE DENSITY, CALCULATION AND METHODOLOGY. ADJACENCY REGULATION CONSIDERATION WHERE TRANSITION DISTRICT MAY BE ABUTTING AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD, OR IN SOME CASES EVEN AN ESTABLISHED NON RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTED BY THE ZONING THAT'S IN PLACE OR BEING PROPOSED.
AND THEN LOT SIZE, WHETHER THAT BE AREA OR DEPTH OR WIDTH, AND THEN OF COURSE DENSITY AND WHETHER THE DENSITY THAT'S CURRENTLY SET IS APPROPRIATE.
THESE ARE A FEW BULLET POINTS THAT ALSO CORRELATE WITH THE STAFF REPORT THAT'S BEEN FORWARDED AND FORWARDED TO YOU AND THE RED LINE COPY OF THOSE LOOKING AT DENSITY CALCULATION AND METHOD.
A FEW OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT, PUT TOGETHER ARE ELIMINATE, YOU KNOW, THE VARIANCE PROVISION THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CODE WHERE IT PERTAINS TO THE TWO DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE THAT ARE CURRENTLY CAPPED IN THAT AND MAKE THAT JUST A NON-VARIABLE STANDARD. LOOK AT HOW THE DENSITY IS CALCULATED, WHETHER THAT'S ON THE ON THE GROSS OF THE OVERALL
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DEVELOPMENT OR THE GROSS OF THE AREA THAT IS DEFINED AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE COMPONENT OR THE ZONING REQUEST BEFORE YOU. AND THEN OTHER OPTION IS TO, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE A DIFFERENT DENSITY STANDARD, WHETHER THAT'S MORE OR LESS THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE.ANOTHER IS HOW WE CONSIDER OPEN SPACE POTENTIALLY, AND HOW THAT IMPACTS THE CALCULATION ON DENSITY.
AS A COMPARISON OPTION, ONE PROPOSAL WOULD POTENTIALLY EXCLUDE ANY DETENTION AREA THAT'S NOT DESIGNED AS A AS AN ESTHETIC, PASSIVE RECREATIONAL AMENITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO A MORE HARD STRUCTURED DETENTION AREA THAT'S SHOWN AS OPEN SPACE AND A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT BE CREDITED TOWARDS OPEN SPACE REQUIRED OR COULD POTENTIALLY BE EXCLUDED FROM THEIR DENSITY CALCULATION AS ANOTHER OPTION. AND THEN OPTION TWO WOULD BE TO PROVIDE A RESTRICTION SIMILAR TO THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IN A PLANNED UNIT, RESIDENTIAL OR RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DETENTION RETENTION AREAS THAT EXCEED 25% OF THE OPEN SPACE THAT'S REQUIRED. YOU CANNOT COUNT THAT AMOUNT THAT IS OVER THAT 25% THAT HAS TO BE DEDUCTED AND THAT OPEN SPACE MADE UP SOMEWHERE ELSE.
OTHER CONSIDERATION REGARDING THE DIMENSIONS AND AREAS OF LOTS IS SET.
OPTION ONE WOULD BE TO SIMPLY APPLY SECTION 43.10 REGARDING THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARDS TO ALL TRANSITIONAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
IF THERE SF ONE, SF 20, SF 30 OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND OR RESIDENTIAL ESTATE POTENTIALLY OR CREATE A SET OF STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THE TZD WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT ABUTS EXISTING ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS OR USES.
THE PLAN FOR MOVING THIS ITEM FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION.
OF COURSE, THIS EVENING I HOPE TO RECEIVE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
WE WOULD THEN PROVIDE A PRESENTATION ON MARCH 11TH HERE IN TOWN HALL, 6 P.M.
FOLLOWING SPIN MEETING, WE WOULD MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS OR REVISIONS FOLLOWING THE PNC RECOMMENDATION AND PRESENT THAT TO CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 1ST FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AND THEN A SECOND READING ON APRIL 15TH.
ONE OF THE COMMON QUESTIONS THAT'S COME UP AND, AND HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE'VE PUT FORTH TO THE, TO THE CONCERNED RESIDENTS, IS THAT ANYONE THAT'S CURRENTLY WITHIN A TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT OR TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BUT NOT CONSTRUCTED YET. THOSE DISTRICTS ARE VESTED WITHIN ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT WERE ADOPTED BY THAT ZONING APPROVED FOR THAT PARTICULAR TZD.
THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT FORWARD NOW MAY ONLY IMPACT FUTURE REQUESTS FOR ZONING DISTRICTS.
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A PROPOSED AMENDMENT. OKAY. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR REFER TO ANY QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS NOW. I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE MAYBE SOME QUESTIONS LATER WHENEVER WE DELIBERATE.SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD SLIDE. THEY WERE ALL GOOD, BUT THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS OF NOW, BUT I'M SURE WE MIGHT HAVE SOME LATER AS WE GET IN.
SO THERE'S SOME GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY FOR YOU.
THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER NINE, DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT ITEM BEFORE WE CALL ANYONE UP.
I RECEIVED A COUPLE OF COMMENTS HERE. SOME COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS.
APOLOGIES. I CANNOT READ THE HANDWRITING AND THE NAMES, AND I PROBABLY WOULD MISPRONOUNCE THEM, BUT THEY'RE AT 404 WINDING RIDGE. AND THEY ARE OPPOSED.
WE'VE GOT THAT HERE. WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE RECORD.
YOU STILL COME FORWARD AND COMMENT IF YOU'D LIKE.
AND THEN THE SIOUX FAMILY TRUST, WHICH IS AT 705 WINDING RIDGE TRAIL, IS ALSO OPPOSED.
LET'S JUST PLEASE COME UP ONE AT A TIME. AND AGAIN, REMEMBER, JUST ADDRESS THE COMMENTS TO US, YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE ITEM. UP TO THREE MINUTES.
YOU'LL SEE THE LITTLE LIGHT THERE AND I'LL GET SOME HELP STARTING THAT.
THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS. FIRST, NUMEROUS DETAILED SLIDES.
GOOD INFORMATION. WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY NICE TO HAVE THAT BEFORE THE MEETING.
NOT SURE WHY AFTER GETTING THE NOTICE OF AMENDMENTS.
COULDN'T FIND ANY INFORMATION ONLINE ABOUT WHAT THE AMENDMENTS WERE.
THE OLD SAYING, WHY BURY THE LEAD? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GOT TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
AND THEN LASTLY, AS IT RELATES TO THE TZDS, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT'S MEANT BY GRANDFATHERING.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE, AND I KNOW THAT SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE, IS THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT CURRENT OWNERS ARE GRANDFATHERED IN, WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY SELL? OR TO THE EXTENT THAT THE CURRENT PROPERTY'S GRANDFATHERED IN? HEAVEN FORBID, SOMEBODY HOME GETS STRUCK BY LIGHTNING AND BURNS TO THE GROUND.
IS THAT INDIVIDUAL ABLE TO REBUILD, OR DO WE? WHAT IF THAT PERSON DESIRES INSTEAD, RATHER THAN TO REBUILD, TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND HAVE SOMEBODY BUILD AN ARBY'S IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD? YOU KNOW, AT THE VERY LEAST, I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PERMITTING PROCESS OR HAVE TO EVEN ARGUE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT COULD OR COULDN'T BE BUILT.
SO TO SOME DEGREE, THE TZD SEEM TO BE DEVELOPED WITH THE PURPOSE OF ALLOWING FLEXIBILITY FOR THE FOR THE COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE LAND IN A WAY THAT SEEMED PRUDENT AT THE TIME. I BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THESE WERE PROBABLY BLANK LAND.
SO I KNOW AT LEAST SEVERAL OF THESE HAVE NOW BEEN DEVELOPED.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME PRUDENT TO BASICALLY ADOPT A PERMANENT STATUS FOR THE VARIOUS AREAS RATHER THAN A TEMPORARY ZONING STATUS WITH A CHANGE SET OF CRITERIA, AND INSTEAD ADOPT A PERMANENT STATUS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND FOR THE AREAS BASED ON WHAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN DEVELOPED ON IT.
CRYSTALLIZE IT, IF YOU WILL. ANYWAY, THAT'S THE WAY THAT I SEE IT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. NAME, ADDRESS, PLEASE.
JAY BEHRENS, 3100 MERRIMAC COURT. I THANK THE COMMISSION AND THANK STAFF FOR THEIR WORK.
I'M LOOKING FOR THE COMPELLING REASON WHY. WHAT IS WRONG? WHY DO WE NEED TO ENGAGE IN CHANGES? WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
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STATEMENT? EFFICIENCY OF GOVERNMENT. IF IT AIN'T BROKE, WHY SPEND TIME ON IT? I DON'T SEE THE TIME. I DON'T SEE WHY. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S NOT WORKING BEFORE WE START AGREEING ON CHANGES.THAT'S IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING FORWARD.
PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN. ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. I THINK YOU KNOW THE DRILL.
YES. ARE THERE ANY POWERPOINT SLIDES? ALL RIGHT.
EXCELLENT. S PARE YOU THE POWERPOINT. MY NAME IS CURTIS YOUNG.
1130 NORTH CARROLL HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. I'M HERE TO.
AND WHY I THINK IT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT NOW THAN IT WAS THEN.
OBVIOUSLY, THE TRANSITION ZONING ORDINANCE, BY ITS VERY NATURE, IS TO ADDRESS THOSE AREAS THAT ARE A TRANSITION BETWEEN HIGH INTENSITY AREAS, EITHER BECAUSE THEY'RE COMMERCIAL AREAS OR BECAUSE THEY'RE TRANSPORTATION THOROUGHFARES LIKE SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD OR DAVIS BOULEVARD OR THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY.
HOW DO YOU TRANSITION BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS OR BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL AREA AND THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS? WELL, YOU KNOW, TRANSITION ZONING WAS INVENTED AS A WAY TO DO THAT IN A WAY THAT WOULD DO THAT TRANSITION WITHOUT HURTING EITHER.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, BEEN AN IMPORTANT TOOL.
AND FROM THE LOOKS OF THIS YOU KNOW, YOU ALREADY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER FOR LOT SIZE, WHATEVER THINGS THAT THE P&Z AND COUNCIL FEELS IS APPROPRIATE AS IT GOES THROUGH THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE, FRANKLY, UNNECESSARY.
THEY'RE JUST KIND OF BEEN PUT OUT THERE AS A WAY TO TIE NOT ONLY THE CURRENT P&Z AND COUNCIL'S HANDS, BUT THE FUTURE P&Z AND COUNCIL'S HANDS ON THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN, IN MANY OF THESE TRANSITION ZONING CASES OR WHATEVER HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT'S JUST A TOOL TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING IN SOME OF THESE SMALLER AREAS THAT THAT ARE, FRANKLY, TRANSITIONS. AND YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE RPUD HAS GOT A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 1.8.
BUT THERE'S VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOOL, I BELIEVE. AND AS WE GET FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO SOME OF THESE NICHE AREAS THAT ARE IN SOME OF THESE AREAS, IT WILL BE ESSENTIAL TO HAVE THIS TO USE IT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO THERE.
THIS IS ONLY BEING PROPOSED IN THE THESE SO-CALLED TRANSITIONAL AREAS.
BUT ANYWAY, I'M DONE FOR YOUR HONORING THE THREE MINUTES.
ALL RIGHT. ONCE I CLOSE IT OUT, WE'RE DONE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING PART, SO.
LAST CALL FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO COME UP.
SO, ALL RIGHT. I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER NINE.
AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, STAFF, I THINK YOU'VE GOT THIS SLIDE UP THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER.
I THINK THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GENERATED FROM THE COUNCIL LEVEL FOR CONSIDERATION THROUGH THE PUBLIC TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY MODIFICATIONS THAT MIGHT BE DESIRABLE AND IF SO, WHAT THEY MIGHT BE.
SO I THINK THE PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION IS HELPFUL.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NOTIFICATIONS THAT WE GOT ARE HELPFUL.
AND I THINK WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY DO IS JUST GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE AND MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO, MR. VICE CHAIR, IS KIND OF NOTE GENERAL SENTIMENT ON EACH OF THESE AREAS AND FORMULATE THAT INTO ONE
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RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY GO TO CITY COUNCIL, AS DENNIS OUTLINED ON APRIL 1ST.AND THEN MAYBE TRY TO GO FROM THERE. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD, GOOD APPROACH? CAN I GO THROUGH IT AT FIRST? MAYBE STARTING WITH THE DENSITY AND CALCULATION METHODOLOGY.
AND, DENNIS, WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD, YOU KNOW, PLEASE FEEL FREE.
BUT OKAY. CERTAINLY. ARE THERE ANY KIND OF OPENING COMMENTS? AND, DENNIS, YOU KNOW, HERE'S YOUR STARTING ONE BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE EVERYBODY KIND OF HAS THE SAME UNDERSTANDING ON THIS.
SO THE DENSITY AND CALCULATION METHODOLOGY, YOU KNOW, SAYS MAXIMUM TWO DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
HOWEVER, AS IT SITS TODAY, THERE'S LATITUDE FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ALLOW IT TO EXCEED THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, CHAIRMAN. YES.
OKAY. AND THEN I THINK IT KIND OF GETS TO WHAT ONE OF THE YOU KNOW, SPEAKER SAID.
IN TERMS OF HOW MANY TOOLS DO WE WANT OR FEEL COMFORTABLE TAKING AWAY FROM CITY COUNCIL VERSUS, AGAIN, FOR SITES THAT, BY DEFINITION, ARE USUALLY SOMEWHAT TOUGHER SITES COMMERCIAL ADJACENT ROADWAY ADJACENT, SMALLER, ODD SHAPED. BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT WE HAVE LEFT HERE IN THE CITY NOW, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF EASIER SITES LEFT.
SO I THINK I GUESS THE CONSIDERATIONS ARE, DENNIS, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS RIGHT, KIND OF LEAVE IT, LEAVE IT AS IS, OR MAKE IT TO WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL AND OPTION ONE DOESN'T HAVE THAT LATITUDE, IT BECOMES A VARIANCE. CALCULATE IT JUST ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION AND NOT ANY COMMERCIAL PORTION.
OR JUST CHANGE THE NUMBER ENTIRELY, I GUESS. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, CHAIRMAN. THOSE ARE OR AT LEAST I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS, BUT AT LEAST THAT'S THREE, THREE OPTIONS.
YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE CERTAINLY NOT LIMITED TO THOSE.
WHATEVER WE SENT ALONG TO THEM, IF THERE COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT THEY MAYBE WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT WE DON'T. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY FLUID AND YOUR INPUT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
SO I GUESS, DOES ANYONE WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS ONE FIRST? I TEND TO FAVOR OPTION TWO HAVING THE DENSITY CALCULATED ON THE GROSS RESIDENTIAL AREA ONLY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE PART, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND WOULD YOU STILL BE FINE WITH COUNCIL LETTING IT, HAVING THE LATITUDE FOR IT TO EXCEED THE 2.0? I GUESS, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT IS AS OF NOW.
RIGHT. NOW IT'S. YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT OPTION TWO IS THE BETTER OF THE THREE.
OPTION ONE IS YOU KNOW, IS ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE IT DOES SET A CAP ON IT.
SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT. BUT THE, YOU KNOW, OFF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND NOT INCLUDING THE COMMERCIAL AREA OR RETAIL AREA, WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE, SEEMS TO MAKE MORE SENSE TO ME.
SEEING AS HOW YOU KNOW IT'S A DWELLING UNIT, SO YOU WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD.
OPTION TWO WOULD BE THE LOGICAL ONE. AND SO JUST TO CLARIFY, COMMISSIONER SPRINGER, THE IDEA THERE IS THAT THE TWO DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE STAY IN PLACE. COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO ADJUST THAT.
YEAH, I GUESS MAYBE I COULD GET MY ARMS AROUND EFFECTIVELY, MAYBE KEEPING IT AS IS, BUT JUST HAVING THE CALCULATION BE ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, WHICH AS WE'VE SEEN AND STAFF HAS SAID MOST OF THE TIME THAT'S ALL IT IS ANYWAY.
BUT JUST MAYBE MAKING SURE THAT IF THERE'S A COMMERCIAL PORTION THAT DOESN'T SERVE TO JUICE THE CALCULATION, I GUESS. WELL, I THINK BY DEFAULT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO MEAN IS YOU'LL HAVE LESS REQUESTS FOR COMMERCIAL, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE, ADMITTEDLY. YEAH. SO. OKAY.
OKAY. WELL, WE'LL KIND OF GO WITH THAT DRAFT FOR NOW.
I MEAN, I AGREE WITH THE OPTION TWO, KEEPING IT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, BUT STILL GIVING THE CREATIVITY OF THE DESIGNER AND DEVELOPER TO WORK WITH THE COUNCIL TO COME UP WITH THE PROPER MIX. OKAY.
MAYBE MOVING TO THE RIGHT HERE. OPEN SPACE. YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, I GUESS WAYS TO EXCLUDE THAT FROM CALCULATIONS. AND I, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THOUGHT OPTION ONE WAS INTERESTING IN THE SENSE THAT IT DOES KIND OF TILT APPLICATIONS TOWARDS IF THEY HAVE THOSE AREAS TO AT LEAST MAKE THEM ASSETS OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN WALK AROUND THEM OR ENJOY THEM.
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BUT I DON'T KNOW OTHER PEOPLE. I AGREE WITH OPTION ONE.I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO ME.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE REASON THAT YOU OUTLINED, IT'S YOU KNOW IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHAT WE WANT IS THE MOST OPEN SPACE THAT WE CAN GET IN ANY OF THESE AREAS. AND IT WOULD BE BETTER THAT IT WASN'T A POND OF WHICH, YOU KNOW, PONDS ARE NICE.
PEOPLE CAN FISH, THEY CAN THROW ROCKS, DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. BUT STILL, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE ENTRYWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND OPEN SPACE PARK AREAS, I THINK THE EXCLUDING THE DRAINAGE AREA WOULD BE FAVORABLE.
AND IT'S FOR RETENTION WATER RETENTION. BUT I THINK EVEN I GUESS MAYBE, MAYBE DENNIS HELP US WITH AN EXAMPLE LIKE IT'S A DETENTION POND, BUT MAYBE THERE'S A WALKING TRAIL AROUND IT, OR WHAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW TO SATISFY THAT? THE WAY WE ENVISION THIS BEING CREATED WAS THAT IT WOULD LIKELY IF YOU HAD A DETENTION POND, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DESIGNED WHERE IT'S EITHER SMOOTHED EDGED AND FITS INTO THE ENVIRONMENT THAT'S AROUND IT.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, HAS PASSIVE WALKING TRAILS OR USE OF IT UNLESS IT'S HAVING TO FUNCTION.
OR IT COULD BE MORE SPECIFIC AND SAY THAT WHERE, WHERE DETENTION AREAS ARE TO COUNT.
IT MUST ALSO BE AN ESTHETICALLY DESIGNED RETENTION FACILITY WITH, WITH THE ABILITY FOR PASSIVE USE AND PROVIDES AN ESTHETIC AMENITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. IS THAT THE IDEA HERE WAS TO ALLEVIATE ANYTHING THAT'S JUST OBVIOUSLY A DETENTION STRUCTURE BEING COUNTED TOWARDS THAT 15% OPEN SPACE THAT'S REQUIRED IN A TRANSITION DISTRICT.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA. AND WE CAN REFINE HOW THAT LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, GOOD ENFORCEMENT CAPABILITIES. THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD ACTION ITEM TO JUST ADD SOME DEFINITION TO THAT.
OKAY. MINIMUM LOT DIMENSIONS. I KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, BUT I GUESS I KIND OF SEEM TO GRAVITATE TOWARDS OPTION TWO JUST FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, THAT IT JUST SEEMS UNLIKELY THAT SOMETHING LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS WILL GET THROUGH COUNCIL RIGHT NOW.
AND NOT THAT IT STILL COULDN'T BECAUSE IT WOULD JUST BE A VARIANCE.
BUT MAKING IT SOUNDS LIKE A DESIRE THERE IS TO MAKE SOME KIND OF MINIMUM, AND THAT DOESN'T SEEM TOO, TOO LOW OR TOO HIGH, I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW. IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD STARTING POINT.
YEAH. TAKE YOU OUT OF THE CREATIVITY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WITH THE.
AND THE SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM SEEMS TO BE WHAT IN ALL THESE CASES PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON HOWEVER, THEY'RE KIND OF SHAPED. SO I MEAN EFFECTIVELY I FEEL LIKE WE KIND OF ALREADY GOT THAT FROM CITY COUNCIL AS IT IS.
SO KIND OF IS WHAT IT IS. OKAY. SO MAYBE THEN THE BOTTOM RIGHT ADJACENCY STANDARDS, I GUESS, I GUESS I KIND OF STRUGGLED WITH THE FIRST OPTION BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU JUST THROW THAT ON THERE, SUDDENLY YOU AGAIN, THESE SITES BY DEFINITION TEND TO BE COMMERCIAL ADJACENT ROADWAY.
YOU KNOW, EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPES OF SETBACKS THAT.
YOU KNOW, STAFF COULD ENVISION THERE. BUT I MEAN, RELATIVE TO.
EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, I THINK THERE PROBABLY COULD BE SOME, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE.
WHAT DOES THE CURRENT. YEAH. DENNIS MAYBE CAN YOU KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT MAYBE.
RELATIVE TO ADJACENCY, WHAT THE WHAT TOOLS DO YOU HAVE? UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARD. IT SETS A MINIMUM SETBACK FOR A NON RESIDENTIAL BUILDING TWO LOTS THAT ARE ZONED IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT EITHER A STANDARD DISTRICT OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO 40FT SUBJECT TO. THAT STRUCTURE NOT BEING GREATER IN HEIGHT THAN 20FT OR MORE THAN A SINGLE STORY.
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AND THAT'S MEASURED FROM GRADE OF THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, LINE 4 TO 1 SLOPE TOWARDS THAT STRUCTURE.AND IT FOR IT DOES NOT PERMIT ANY PART OF THAT STRUCTURE TO ENCROACH ABOVE THAT 4 TO 1 SLOPE LINE.
IF AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE A VISUAL IN HERE TO KNOW, BUT I REMEMBER ARTICULATE THAT ACROSS CARROLL WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS STIPULATION HERE, BUT YET WE STILL I FEEL LIKE SUCCESSFULLY ADDRESSED IT BECAUSE THE ISSUE CAME UP.
THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNER DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS FROM IT.
SO I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE AGAIN, BACK TO THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE IN PUBLIC HEARING IN TERMS OF WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE? SO I FEEL LIKE WE ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM HERE THAT WE NEED TO SOLVE? YEAH. OH, YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S KIND OF SUBJECTIVE.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF ASKING ABOUT OPTION NUMBER TWO. I MEAN, ARE THERE SOME MAYBE. BACK TO THE QUESTION. ARE THERE ARE THERE AS IT SITS TODAY IF ONE OF THESE APPLICATIONS COME IN AND IT'S ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD, I GUESS WHAT CRITERIA EXIST TODAY TO HELP PROTECT THAT? MAYBE JUST IN TERMS OF SETBACKS? OUTSIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT APPLIES.
THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, FOR INSTANCE, IF IT ABUTS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IT SETS A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE MINIMUM SETBACK OF 100FT.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT. SO, I MEAN, SOME THINGS YOU COULD LOOK AT IF YOU WERE TO PUT REGULATIONS SPECIFIC TO THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT, MAYBE, MAYBE USE THE CURRENT RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY STANDARDS AS A GUIDE AND SET A MINIMUM 40 FOOT IF THE BUILDING'S A SINGLE STORY, NOT MEASURED GREATER THAN 20FT IN HEIGHT.
AND THEN YOU COULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SETBACK DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY IF IT GOES ABOVE THAT, THAT HEIGHT, WHETHER THAT'S INCREMENTAL, IF IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING OR GREATER THAN 20FT, IT GETS SET BACK AN ADDITIONAL TEN FEET. I'M JUST KIND OF BEING I MEAN, IS THAT ANYTHING JUST THROWING A DART AT THE BOARD.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, BUT AN ADDITIONAL TEN FEET FOR EVERY FOOT OR STORY OR HOWEVER YOU WANT.
YEAH. I MEAN, I GUESS THIS IS THE ONE I'M A LITTLE SYMPATHETIC TO IN THE SENSE THAT IF YOU'RE AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, AND SOME KIND OF CRITERIA THAT. CORRECT. AND IF, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE DIRECTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO, YOU CAN PERHAPS IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, GIVE US STAFF GUIDANCE TO CREATE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ADDRESS A PARTICULAR CONCERN AND DISTANCE CRITERIA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE APPLIED TO THE DISTRICT.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, I THINK LOOKING AT THE THE TRANSITION DISTRICT ALLOWS FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE ZONING FOR PERIMETER LANDSCAPING AND WHAT THE BUFFER YARDS ARE.
YOU COULD PUT PARTICULAR SCREENING REQUIREMENTS AND BUFFER YARD DENSITY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO A TRANSITION DISTRICT, WHERE THE NONRESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT ABUTS AN ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD BE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER OF A CERTAIN TYPE WIDTH A FENCE OR WALL TO A CERTAIN QUALITY UP TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT. OR AS AN EXAMPLE, OUR TYPICAL BUFFER YARD REQUIRED WHERE A NONRESIDENTIAL USE ABUTS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, IS A TEN FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE STRIP WITH A MINIMUM EIGHT FOOT WOOD BOARD ON BOARD FENCE THAT MEETS OUR FENCE DESIGN CRITERIA, AND THEN THE BUFFER YARD PLANTINGS ARE SUCH THAT THEY PROVIDE ADDED LANDSCAPE
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BUFFERING, AND THE NUMBERS AND TYPES OF PLANTS THAT ARE REQUIRED IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL, SOFTER LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL USE.AND THAT'S THE STANDARD WOULD BE WHAT'S CALLED A TEN FOOT F1 BUFFER YARD.
INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS REQUIRE TEN FOOT F2, WHICH REQUIRES A EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL.
SO IN THESE BUFFER SETBACKS, YOU'RE ABLE YOU COULD USE THOSE FOR GREEN SPACE.
YOU COULD USE THOSE FOR YOUR DETENTION AREAS.
I MEAN, THERE WOULD BE NO REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T DOUBLE UP SOME OF THAT, RIGHT? POTENTIALLY IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW IT'S ARRANGED IN THE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF COURSE.
BUT YES, IT COULD POTENTIALLY MEET AND OR QUALIFY FOR OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
YES. SO THAT WOULD FALL CLOSER TO OPTION ONE.
RIGHT. WHAT YOU'RE OUTLINING. OPTION ONE WOULD PRIMARILY REQUIRE THAT A NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDING MEET THE SETBACKS OF THAT OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE THE OTHER PRIMARY COMPONENTS OF THAT IS IT ADDRESSES SCREENING OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
DISTANCE REQUIREMENT FOR TRASH ENCLOSURES. THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY ADJACENCY REGULATIONS THAT WOULD APPLY CURRENTLY OR THAT COULD BE APPLIED CURRENTLY IN OUR ORDINANCE.
ANY I MEAN ANYONE HAVE THOUGHTS ON EITHER THAT OR OPTION TWO? JUST HAVING STAFF LOOK AT MAYBE SOME VERY AT LEAST INITIAL SIMPLE BASIC SETBACKS? JUST. YEAH. I MEAN I THINK I PREFER OPTION TWO.
YEAH. ESPECIALLY INCLUDING LIKE YOU SAID, THE LANDSCAPE KIND OF BUFFERS.
I MEAN, I THINK THOSE ALWAYS KIND OF HELP. YEAH.
YEAH. JAMMING THAT IN THERE. I GUESS I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT.
BUT MAYBE I GUESS I'D START KIND OF PRETTY SIMPLE AND NOT TOO, YOU KNOW, HARSH.
AND THEN WHAT COUNCIL KIND OF BASED ON WHAT YOU COME UP WITH, GUIDE IT OUT OR LEAVE IT ALONE.
BUT I THINK MAYBE THAT WOULD BE. THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT.
OKAY. YEAH. NO. THIS. YEAH, THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE.
I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL WANT SOUTHLAKE TO KEEP ITS HIGH-QUALITY NATURE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK EVERYBODY, LIKE, LIKES LIVING IN TEXAS AND IT BEING A PROPERTY RIGHTS STATE.
SO, I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO WALK A FINE LINE HERE AND BE CAREFUL.
BUT I THINK I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
FEELS LIKE SOME A GOOD STARTING POINT. AND WE CAN LET MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE KIND OF GOT IT OPEN HERE YOU KNOW, THIS THIS WOULD JUST BE A RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING.
AND THIS RECOMMENDATION WOULD GO ALONG TO CITY COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, STAFF CAN PROVIDE COPIES OF THIS REPORT.
THE RECOMMENDATION STAFF CAN ACCEPT RESIDENT FEEDBACK, PASS THAT ON TO CITY COUNCIL.
CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AS YOU HEARD, IS ON TUESDAY, APRIL 1ST.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME OUT TO THAT MEETING AS WELL.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAME FORMAT IN TERMS OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
CERTAINLY, I'D ENCOURAGE ANYBODY THAT THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADD ADDITIONAL.
YEAH. THE SPIN MEETING. GREAT IDEA. AND THE SPIN MEETING WOULD BE TUESDAY, MARCH 11TH.
TUESDAY, MARCH 11TH. NEXT WEEK, 6:00 PM. YES.
NO. GOOD. THANK YOU. SO THAT'LL BE AN ADDITIONAL STEP IN THE PROCESS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
SO ANYWAY, ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO PUT ON THE RECORD? MAYBE BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT MOTION? WE'LL SEE. YEAH, I THINK I'LL GET THERE. OKAY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER NINE ON OUR AGENDA.
ZA 25-0013, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-GGGGG. THERE YOU GO.
I THINK AND THEN SPECIFICALLY NOTING WITH RESPECT TO ITEM 47.4 D, THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT COMPONENT REQUIREMENTS UNDER SUBSECTION FOUR, THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LEANS TOWARDS AND WOULD RECOMMEND OPTION TWO WITH RESPECT TO SECTION 47.6, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION WOULD RECOMMEND AND LEAN
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TOWARDS OPTION TWO AS WELL. WITH RESPECT TO TABLE 47, DASH TWO AND THE MINIMUM LOT CRITERIA.PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WOULD LEAN TOWARDS OPTION TWO WITH A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT AREA.
AND THEN FINALLY, WITH RESPECT TO 47 SECTION 47.7 PERFORMANCE AND DESIGN STANDARDS UNDER SUBSECTION H OPEN SPACE OR IS THAT A B? THAT B OR H? I'M AS BLIND AS YOU ARE ON THAT OPTION.
WHICH ONE? OPEN SPACE. DID YOU SAY OPTION? WELL, WHAT'S THE SUBSECTION THERE? IS THAT A B OR AN H? OH, I'M SORRY, THAT SHOULD BE AN H, I BELIEVE.
OKAY, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UNDER SECTION 47.7 PERFORMANCE AND DESIGN STANDARDS, SUBSECTION H, OPEN SPACE STANDARD PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION WOULD RECOMMEND OPTION NUMBER ONE.
OKAY. THAT WAS I THOUGHT WE WERE AGREED ON OPTION TWO.
ON ADJACENCY STANDARDS? YES. FOR ADJACENCY. WHICH ONE WERE YOU? I WAS ON THE LAST ONE. SO I WENT DOWN THE SHEET.
SO, TWO, TWO, TWO AND ONE. SORRY I WAS TAKING NOTES.
THAT'S GOOD. NO, I THINK WE AGREED ADJACENCY WOULD BE NUMBER TWO, SINCE IT ALLOWS FOR UNIQUE SETBACKS AND BUFFER YARDS AND SUCH. WHICH ONE ARE YOU ON? THE ADJACENCY WHICH IS THE FURTHEST ONE OVER.
YEAH, I THINK HE ENDED BY TALKING ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE.
YEAH, I ENDED WITH OPEN SPACE. OH. I'M SORRY.
OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK I GOT IT. OKAY. I GUESS, STAFF, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOT IT? YES, CHAIRMAN. OKAY. YEAH. AND OBVIOUSLY, JUST SO FOLKS KNOW, THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED.
SO OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT.
PASSES FIVE ZERO. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR COMING OUT.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO COME OUT TO THE SPIN MEETING AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TONIGHT. AND WITH THAT, WE DON'T HAVE A SIGN BOARD THIS EVENING. SO,
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.