[1. Call to Order: Video Introduction of SPIN Program by Southlake Mayor Shawn McCaskill]
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>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS RYAN FIRESTONE, AND I'M YOUR HOST FOR THE SPIN MEETING TONIGHT.
THE PURPOSE OF SPIN IS TO GAIN FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS ON DEVELOPMENT-RELATED PROJECTS AND OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY.
SPIN IS AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND NO VOTES ARE TAKEN.
SPIN IS STREAMED LIVE THROUGH SOUTH LAKE TV ON THE CITY'S MAIN WEBSITE, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.COM.
NEXT, WE WILL SHOW A BRIEF VIDEO INTRODUCTION OF THE SPIN PROGRAM BY SOUTH LAKE MAYOR SEAN MCCASKILL.
>> GOOD EVENING. THIS IS SHAWN MCCASKILL, THE MAYOR OF SOUTH LAKE.
I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO TONIGHT'S SPIN MEETING.
FIRST OF ALL, SPIN STANDS FOR SOUTH LAKE PROGRAM FOR THE INVOLVEMENT OF NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S WHERE YOU COME IN.
THIS IS THE FIRST STAGE IN OUR VERY THOROUGH AND EXHAUSTIVE REVIEW PROCESS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS HERE IN SOUTH LAKE.
WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING PART OF THAT PROCESS.
TONIGHT, YOU'LL HEAR PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT WHO'S LOOKING TO DO POSSIBLY A NEW DEVELOPMENT HERE IN SOUTH LAKE.
YOU WILL GET A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT THERE WILL NOT BE ANY VOTES TONIGHT.
THAT WILL COME LATER WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR COMMENTS AND GETTING A REPORT ON WHAT IS DISCUSSED TONIGHT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS REVIEW PROCESS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL LEVELS.
YOUR INPUT, BOTH FOR AND AGAINST A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, IS ESSENTIAL AS WE LOOK AT WHAT OUR RESIDENTS THINK WHEN WE'RE MAKING OUR DECISIONS.
WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT AND BEING PART OF OUR PROCESS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
>> WE DEVELOPED AN ONLINE SPIN FORM FOR RESIDENTS TO SUBMIT THEIR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING IF THEY ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND.
I WILL READ THROUGH THESE SUBMISSIONS AFTER THE RESIDENTS AND ATTENDANTS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK.
AFTER THE APPLICANT PRESENTATIONS, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS CAN USE THE MICROPHONE IN THE AISLE FOR THE Q&A PORTION OF THE MEETING.
WITH THAT, LET US GET TO OUR FIRST APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.
[2. SPIN2025-03 —An applicant is proposing a 7-lot residential development at 500 E. Bob Jones Rd. within SPIN Neighborhood #1. ]
CURTIS YOUNG IS HERE TO PRESENT OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS SPIN 2020 5-03.AN APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SEVEN-LOT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AT 500 EAST BOB JONES ROAD WITHIN SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 1.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING.
EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
MY NAME IS JODI BOYD WITH BRIDGE ROCK DEVELOPMENTS.
I'VE BEEN HERE IN THE AREA FOR QUITE SOME TIME DOING SUBDIVISIONS.
HAPPY TO PRESENT THIS TONIGHT TO YOU ALL AND WELCOME YOUR INPUT.
JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE LOCATION HERE.
SO THIS IS THE GENERAL AREA OF BOB JONES, BOB JONES PARK.
ALL OF THESE OUTLINED IN RED ARE EXISTING ONE-ACRE LOTS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF ONE-ACRE LOTS THAT EXIST WITHIN THIS AREA OF THE CITY.
OUR MOTIVE AND OUR PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT IS TO COMPLY WITH THE FUTURE LANES PLAN FOR THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE.
BUT JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT AS TO WHAT EXISTS AROUND THE PROPERTY TODAY.
SO EVERYTHING THE OUTLINED IN RED IS A ONE-ACRE LOT.
HERE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
THIS IS DESIGNATED AS FUTURE AS LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THE ONLY REASON WE HAVE A ZONING CASE ON THIS IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL ZONING ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN ON THIS PROJECT.
AS I SAID, ONE-ACRE LOTS ON THIS PROJECT, EVERYTHING IS AN ACRE OR BICKER.
AS MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT LIVE IN THE AREA KNOW.
THERE'S AN EXISTING HOME ON THIS PROPERTY THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME, WELL BUILT.
WE INTEND TO KEEP THIS HOME AS IT CERTAINLY ADDS VALUE TO OUR PROJECT.
THAT LOT NUMBER 1 IS THE EXISTING HOME.
THE DARK PART IS ACTUALLY THE POOL, SO THE HOUSE ACTUALLY SETS IN FRONT OF THAT.
BUT WE DEFINITELY WANTED TO DESIGN OUR PROJECT AROUND THE EXISTING HOME SO WE COULD RETAIN THAT VALUE.
THIS IS A LITTLE BETTER VIEW OF THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRIED TO DO THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH THERE, THE JONESES.
WE TRIED TO HUG THAT ROAD AS CLOSE AS WE COULD TO THE EXISTING HOME SO THAT HEADLIGHTS WOULDN'T SHINE INTO THE HOUSE THERE.
SO THIS STREET ACTUALLY LINES UP WITH THE GARAGE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE, OR ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE JONES HOUSE.
SO WE TRIED TO BE SENSITIVE OF THAT TO OUR NEIGHBORS AS WE DID OUR DESIGN ON THIS PROJECT.
IS THERE ONE MORE SLIDE, CURTIS? SO THIS IS THE OVERALL PLAN.
I'LL GO BACK TO THIS, AND WE CAN SEE BETTER.
SO OUR INTENTION IN OUR DESIGN FOR THIS PROJECT IS A HIGH-END CUSTOM HOME NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ANTICIPATE ALL THE HOMES IN THIS SUBDIVISION WILL BE THREE MILLION PLUS IN KEEPING WITH
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THE CHARACTER AND THE QUALITY OF HOMES THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE.I GREW UP IN SOUTH LAKE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
MY GRANDPARENTS MOVED HERE IN 1960, HAD A PLANT FARM HERE, REGAN'S PLANT FARM, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE GROWTH AND THE CHANGES THAT HAVE COME ALONG IN SOUTH LAKE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL SAY IS WE'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND FROM DAGHBORS, AS WELL, THAT ONE-ACRE LOTS IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO SWIM WITH THE CURRENT HERE BY PROVIDING A ONE-ACRE LOT SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS IN KEEPING WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
WE FEEL LIKE THIS WILL BE A VALUABLE ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE, AND I'M HAPPY TO OPEN THE FLOOR TO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR PLAN, OR COMMENTS, OR OTHERWISE.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR.
WILL YOU PLEASE COME TO THE MIC SO THEY CAN RECORD IT?
>> RIGHT BEHIND THE HOUSE. I'M SORRY.
I'M MIKE LOVE. I'M DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THAT HOUSE.
>> RIGHT BEHIND THE HOUSE ARE TWO HUGE OAK TREES.
FROM THE STREET IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE ONE HUGE TREE.
IS THAT ROAD GOING TO RUN THROUGH THOSE TREES?
>> I BELIEVE WE SKIRT THE TREE THERE.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OUTLINE OF THE TREE SURVEY THERE.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TREES ON THE SITE.
>> ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE ELEVATION OF ALL THOSE LOTS?
>> NO. I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY FLAT RIGHT NOW.
>> YEAH, EVERYTHING'S WATER. I'M SORRY.
>> IT STANDS IN WATER. WHERE WILL THE WATER RUNOFF GO WHEN?
>> WATER FLOWS TO THE LAKE AS IT DOES NOW.
SO WE'LL PUT THE ROADS IN THERE.
THE ROADS WILL BE BELOW THE LOTS THEMSELVES, FOR SURE, WE'LL BENCH THOSE PADS, AND THEN THE LOTS WILL POSITIVELY FLOW TO THE STREET, AND THEN OFF INTO THE CORP ENGINEERS AND ULTIMATELY TO THE BIGGEST DETENTION POND IN THE AREA OF LAKE GRAPEVINE.
>> WE'RE ALREADY TAXED IN THAT AREA AS FAR AS AMENITIES, WHICH WE'RE GLAD TO BE BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE UP THERE.
>> THE WATER PRESSURE FLUCTUATES QUITE A BIT; HAD JUST DROPPED YESTERDAY QUITE A BIT WHEN SOMEONE RUNS THEIR SPRINKLER SYSTEMS THIS TIME OF YEAR.
WE MANAGE AND MAINTAIN OUR OWN DITCHES.
I'M FIXING TO SPEND $2,000 TO CORRECT MY DITCH OUT FRONT THAT THE CITY WON'T DO.
OUT OF ALL THAT, AND THE ROAD ITSELF, WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY PEOPLE WHO'VE LIVED THERE OVER 40 YEARS, WAS JUST HOT TOPPED OVER A GRAVEL COUNTY ROAD.
IT NEVER WAS REALLY A ROAD BASE.
SO THE INCREASED TRAFFIC ALONG WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION AND ALL WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BIG TOLL ON IT.
IT DIMINISHES MY PROPERTY VALUE.
IT DIMINISHES MY QUALITY OF LIFE.
IT'S SOMETHING I AM JUST STRONGLY, AS WELL AS ALL THESE PEOPLE STRONGLY OPPOSED.
I HOPE IT DOES NOT GO THROUGH.
>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.
>> I'M DE JONES. I'M RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE YOUR ROADS GOING IN.
>> AS WELL AS THESE FOLKS, I'M OPPOSED TO THIS.
THIS BASIC PLAN WAS PROPOSED IN 2017.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU GUYS, AND YOU'RE TAKING ANOTHER RUN BECAUSE MAYBE YOU GOT DIFFERENT PLAYERS INVOLVED, BUT THAT'S OKAY, OR SHARE PLANS.
BUT IT WAS DECIDED FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
THERE'S A NATURAL HABITAT BACK IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S DRAINAGE QUESTIONS, INFRASTRUCTURE QUESTIONS.
THERE'S A LOSS OF HABITAT, AND THERE IS INCREASED DENSITY YOU'RE GOING TO BRING TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF YOU GO BACK TO WHERE YOU'RE TOUTING ONE-ACRE LOTS.
IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE ONE-ACRE LOTS THAT ARE DOWN NEAR WHAT YOU'RE SUBMITTING, THEY ALL FACE THE STREET THAT SERVES THEM.
YOU'RE DROPPING A CUL-DE-SAC IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE ARE THOSE FRONT THREE HOUSES GOING TO FACE EAST BOB JONES ROAD? ARE THEY GOING TO FACE YOUR CUL DESC? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE FACING GOING TO LOOK LIKE? ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A SUBDIVISION FENCE IN THERE THAT I'M GOING TO STARE AT ALL DAY LONG.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND BY THE WAY, THERE WAS A SIMILAR PROPOSAL ON THE CORNER OF BOB JONES AND WHITES CHAPEL, WILLOW TREE PUT IT FORWARD.
YOUR SELLER, IN THIS INSTANCE, LED THE CHARGE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN OPPOSITION TO THAT.
NOW, THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGED.
I RESPECT THAT, BUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS HAVEN'T.
THERE'S NOTHING DIFFERENT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAN WAS WHAT WAS THERE IN 2017, EXCEPT WE GOT A NICE HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.
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AND THERE WERE DECISIONS MADE FOR VERY SPECIFIC REASONS AROUND THAT.ONE OF WHICH IS WE ALL INVESTED IN A PROPERTY FOR THAT REASON.
I MOVED TO CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA IN 2016, BOUGHT A HOME THERE.
REASON BEING THE LOT, THE LOCATION, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE IT'S UNIQUE.
I'VE SEEN COLD THE SAC AND SUBDIVISIONS THAT COME ACROSS.
THIS IS DESPITE YOUR ONE-ACRE LOT, CONCEPT THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S THE ONLY ASPECT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MAKES IT UNIQUE, YOUR PROPOSAL IS TOTALLY INCONSISTENT WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
FOR ONE, I'VE SEEN DEVELOPMENTS ALL ACROSS THIS METROPLEX.
NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO IMPACT DRAINAGE.
NATURAL FLOW OF WATER IS GOING TO BE PRESERVED.
THERE'S ALREADY A LOWER PART OF EAST BOB JONES ROAD THAT WATER CROSSES THE STREET EVERY TIME IT RAINS.
YOU'RE GOING TO CONDENSE WATER WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT BEYOND WHERE IT'S ALREADY CONDENSED, AND IT'S GOING TO MOVE.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A DEVELOPMENT THAT DOESN'T IMPACT DRAINAGE.
THE NATURAL HABITAT IS A SIGNIFICANT ELEMENT TO OUR VALUE AND WHY WE'RE THERE.
I FOR ONE AM WEARY OF CONSTRUCTION.
WE WATCHED WHITES CHAPEL BRIDGE PROJECT RUN AT LEAST SIX MONTHS OVER.
IT WAS A TWO-YEAR ELEMENT THAT FORCED US THROUGH TROPHY CLUB DRIVE, THROUGH TROPHY CLUB ON WEST BOB JONES ROAD.
HONESTLY, RENO TROPHY CLUB, THEY GOT A LOT OF MY BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THAT, INSTEAD OF SOUTH LAKE.
THERE'S THE END OF WHITES CHAPEL IS NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THEY FORGOT TO DO THE DRAINAGE THERE.
SO IT SAT FOR A MONTH WITH NO ACTIVITY UNTIL THEY GOT THAT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT DONE.
INFRASTRUCTURE OVER HERE IS DIFFERENT.
MY GAS DROPS IN PRESSURE EVERY TIME IT GETS COOL.
MY WIFE WAKES ME UP AT 6:00 A.M AND SAY THE PILOT'S OUT ON A HOT WATER HEATER AGAIN.
YEAH, THAT'S NOT YOUR ISSUE, YOUR PROBLEM, BUT YOU'RE BRINGING MORE OF IT TO US, BECAUSE YOU'RE CREATING INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES WITH THIS PROJECT.
THERE WON'T BE YEARS TO FIX, 'CAUSE I'VE HEARD DEVELOP. OH, NO, THAT'S THE CITY.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TALK CITY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'VE LIVED NEXT TO DEVELOPMENTS THAT GO IN.
THAT'S ALWAYS THE ANSWER. THAT'S NOT MINE.
YOU GOT TO TALK TO AT&T SPECTRUM OR THE ELECTRIC COMPANY. OR THE CITY.
WE'RE TIRED. THIS HAS BEEN DECIDED.
IT'S BEEN DEBATED AND DECIDED.
FIND A DIFFERENT SPOT FOR THIS.
THERE'S OTHER SPOTS EVEN ALONG WAS CHAPEL THAT I GUARANTEE WOULDN'T HAVE THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE.
FIND A DIFFERENT SPOT AND LEAVE IT ALONE.
OH, BY THE WAY, CAN YOU BRING UP THAT OTHER MAP?
>> THE ONE WITH THE ONE-ACRE LOTS. YOU BET.
>> NOW, THE NEXT ONE. THE NEXT ONE THAT SHOWS THE ONES CLOSER TO OUR REAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THE ONE THAT'S UNDER DEBATE RIGHT HERE. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
SEE ALL THE YELLOW BLOCKS THAT ARE COMING UP TO WHERE YOU'VE GOT IT MARKED OFF.
THEY'RE ALL ONE-ACRE LOTS. YOU KNOW WHAT? EVERY ONE OF THEM FACES THE STREET. THAT FEEDS THEM.
WE'RE ALL IN THERE, AND A GOOD CHUNK OF THEM ARE MORE THAN ONE-ACRE LOTS, BUT I CAN COUNT THREE, FIVE, NINE, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24.
THEY ALL FACE THE FEEDER STREET.
I DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SIDE OF A HOUSE WHEN I DRIVE IN OR WHEN I'M SITTING ON MY FRONT PORCH.
>> SO TO ANSWER A FEW OF YOUR QUESTIONS DIRECTLY.
SO WE WILL HAVE THREE HOUSES THAT FACE BOB JONES, THE EXISTING CURRENT HOUSE, WHICH ACCESSES BOB JONES, WE'LL RETAIN THAT.
THEN LOT 2 AND LOT 7 WILL ALSO FACE BOB JONES AND HAVE A DRIVEWAY.
MUCH LIKE YOUR DRIVEWAYS GOING ON TO BOB JONES, THESE DRIVEWAYS WILL GOING TO BOB JONES FOR THOSE THREE HOUSES.
NOW, THE REMAINDER WILL OBVIOUSLY ACCESS THROUGH THE CC.
>> THREE DRIVEWAYS AND GO INTO THE ROAD IN FRONT.
>> YES, SIR. EVERY BIT OF THAT THAT
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GOES ON THAT PROPERTY WILL NOT AFFECT YOUR PROPERTY ON IOTA, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO ONTO YOUR PROPERTY.WE'RE GOING TO STAY ON OUR PROPERTY.
NOW, FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT, I'VE DONE ABOUT 35 OR SO SUBDIVISIONS ACROSS THE METROPLEX.
>> THIS PROPERTY FLOWS OFF TO THE NORTHEAST TO LAKE GRAPEVINE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PUTTING ANY WATER ON TO BOB JONES TO COMPLICATE THE BOB JONES DRAINAGE, WHEREVER THAT MAY BE.
THE ENGINEERING ON THIS WILL GO OFF TO THE NORTHEAST TO LAKE GRAPEVINE.
FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTING BOB JONES.
I UNDERSTAND YOU MAYBE HAVE HAD NEGATIVE EXPERIENCES IN THE PAST WITH OTHER SUBDIVISIONS.
I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT I'VE DONE MORE THAN A HANDFUL OF SUBDIVISIONS IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, AND I'M NOT ONE TIME THAT EVER CAUSED FLOODING ON ANY SUBDIVISION I'VE DONE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
WE HIRE PROFESSIONALS PLANNERS, WE HIRE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS TO DESIGN THESE.
THEY'RE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE CITY STANDARDS AND TO CITY OVERSIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THAT STUFF.
WHAT WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING FOR HERE IS THE SAME UNIQUE ASPECT THAT YOU ALL ENJOY ON YOUR ONE-ACRE LOTS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE.
>> I DON'T THING YOU ARE IMPACTING US. WHEN YOU SAY YOU ARE IMPACTING US, YOU'RE WRONG.
YOUR DEFINITION OF IMPACT AND YOUR DEFINITION OF CONSISTENT WITH ARE JUST WRONG.
YOUR DEFINITION IS NOT NEAR BROAD ENOUGH.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID YOUR RESEARCH AROUND THAT PROPOSAL AND WHY IT GOT REJECTED.
>> THE CURRENT OWNERS DECIDED TO BUY THAT FROM THE DEVELOPER.
THAT'S WHY IT DIDN'T GET DEVELOPED IN 2017. IT WASN'T DECIDED.
IT DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH BECAUSE THEY SOLD IT TO THE END USER THAT'S THERE NOW WE'RE BUYING IT FROM. IT HASN'T BEEN SETTLED.
>> THEY BOUGHT IT FOR A REASON, PROBABLY SIMILAR TO WHAT.
>> SURE. WELL, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE ON EVERYTHING HERE TONIGHT, BUT WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND IMPROVE OUR SUBDIVISION THE BEST WAY WE CAN, BUT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR PLANS. THANK YOU.
>> THE DEFINITION [INAUDIBLE].
>> I ALSO LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY?
>> THIS PROBABLY MAYBE JUST NEED TO BE FOR PLANNING AND ZONING NEXT WEEK, BUT HERE'S MY THING IS THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE ACTUALLY ADVERTISES ON THEIR WEBSITE ABOUT THE RURAL FEEL OF NORTH SOUTHLAKE.
THIS IS NOT THAT. I DON'T SEE A DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
YOU SAY THAT ALL THE WATER IS GOING NORTHEAST.
I DON'T SEE A DRAINAGE EASEMENT GOING ON YOUR PLATE.
THE WATER IS GOING TO BE COMING TO BY BOB JONES, AND IT'S GOING TO BE GOING DOWN THE ROAD, WHICH WILL IMPACT US.
IN TERMS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL THE THINGS THAT RELATED TO INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT WILL IMPACT US.
THIS IS NOT BEING DONE IN A VACUUM.
WHAT THE 2035 PLAN SAYS, APPENDIX C SAYS THAT THE CITY WILL TRY AND MAINTAIN THE EXISTING LOOK AND FEEL OF THE NORTH SOUTHLAKE, WHICH MEANS THAT BASICALLY EXISTING ZONING SAYS TWO HOMES CAN BE BUILT ON 10 PLUS ACRES.
YOU'RE QUOTING THE ACRE LOT CITY, WHICH REALLY APPLIES TO SOUTH SOUTHLAKE.
WE DON'T WANT SOUTH SOUTHLAKE IN NORTH SOUTHLAKE.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. WE ACTUALLY DO COMPLY WITH THE FUTURE ANNIE'S PLAN FOR LOW DENSITY ONE-ACRE LOTS ON THIS TRACK.
>> THAT PLAN SAY TWO HOUSES ON 10 PLUS ACRES. THAT'S THEIR PLAN.
MY WIFE, SUSAN, AND I HAVE THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST OF YOU.
WE ARE THE ONES WHO STAND TO BE IMPACTED MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE IN HERE.
THAT OUR PROPERTY LINE ON THE EAST SIDE IS ALMOST 700 FEET.
NUMBER 1, YOUR CONCEPTS OF DRAINAGE ARE COMPLETELY INCORRECT, AS ARE, IN FACT, MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS.
WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS BUILT, THE [INAUDIBLE] HOUSES BUILT THEIR HOME ON THERE.
THEY PUT A THREE-FOOT RETAINING WALL BUT FILLED WITH PIPE, DRAINAGE PIPE, COVERED WITH AN AGGREGATE PROBABLY ONE INCH OR SO.
YOU CAN STAND THERE AND YOU CAN LOOK AT HOW IT COMES AROUND THIS LITTLE WALL THAT THEY PUT IN THERE.
IT DRAINS INTO A GULLY, DRAINS UNDER THEIR DRIVEWAY, AND DRAINS EAST OUT TO THE CORPS ENGINEER PROPERTY INTO AN EXISTING CREEK.
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NOTHING DRAINS TO THE NORTH, NOTHING DRAINS TO THE EAST.>> DOES IT DRAIN OVER BOB JONES THERE, SIR? DOES IT GO IN TO THE BORROW DITCH AND GOES TO THE EAST?
YOUR PROBLEM PREVIOUSLY, WHICH PROBABLY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT BEING DECLINED WAS THAT THAT HILLSIDE, THIS WAS A GRAVEL PIT WHEN WE MOVED OUT HERE IN 1984.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS PUT IN BY THE CURRENT OWNERS CUTS MOST OF THAT.
DIVERTS IT BACK PROBABLY WHERE YOUR 40 FOOT SETBACK LINE IS UNDER THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN OUT EAST.
IT'S VERY PLAINLY VISIBLE IF YOU KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR.
BUT MY QUESTION MORE THAN THAT IS, WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING ON DOING WITH THAT HILLSIDE?
>> THE HILLSIDE, AS IT RUNS ALONG YOUR PROPERTY?
>> WE'LL IMPROVE THAT WITH A RETAINING WALL THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF IMPROVEMENT?
>> WE'LL ADD CONSTRUCTION THERE, A RETAINING WALL THAT HOLDS THAT SITE UP.
>> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT HEIGHT THERE.
DEPENDS ON WHAT THE CURRENT EXISTING GRADE IS, WE'LL MATCH THAT GRADE.
CERTAINLY, WE'LL PUT A WALL THERE THAT RETAINS THE DIRT ON YOUR PROPERTY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT IS A VERY UNSTABLE HILLSIDE.
>> I'VE LOOKED AT IT. YES, SIR, BUT WE'LL REACH OUT TO OUR PROFESSIONALS AND DESIGN IT ADEQUATELY AND BUILD A WALL THAT'S ADEQUATE TO RETAIN THE DIRT FROM YOUR PROPERTY.
>> I WAS TOLD BY THE CURRENT OWNERS THAT THEIR ENGINEERS TOLD THEM THEY WOULD HAVE TO PIER AT LEAST 15-20 FEET IN PLACES EVERY FIVE FEET.
[OVERLAPPING] THAT'S A HECK OF A LOT OF PIERS AT 700 FEET.
>> I AGREE THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF PIERS, BUT WE'LL DO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ADEQUATELY BUILT.
>> WHAT LIMITATIONS DO YOU PLAN ON FOR ROOF HEIGHT?
>> THIS WILL BE TWO STORY HOMES WOULD BE MY ANTICIPATION.
>> I'VE SEEN A TWO-STORY HOME WITH A TWO-STORY ROOF ON TOP OF IT.
>> THE CITY HAS CITY STANDARDS ABOUT MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S 40 FEET IS A MAXIMUM.
>> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO CONSIDER A LIMIT OF HEIGHT ON ROOFS THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING HOME THERE?
>> I BELIEVE WE WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER IT. YES, SIR.
>> THAT MORE THAN ANYTHING, THAT WOULD HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON ME.
I'D BE SITTING IN MY BACK PATIO, STARING AT A FOREST OF ROOFS INSTEAD OF GRAPEVINE LAKE.
ALSO, IT WOULD IMPACT, QUITE FRANKLY.
WHENEVER MY WIFE DECIDED TO SELL THAT PROPERTY, IT WOULD AFFECT OUR VIEW.
INSTEAD OF HAVING A VIEW OF RYAN LAKE IN NORTH DALLAS, WE GET A VIEW OF THE ROADS.
I AM DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO ANY VERY HIGH SLOPE ANGLED ROOFS.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO IN HERE AND START THROWING OUT PERCENTAGES BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONES THEY ARE.
BUT SOME OF THE STUFF UP IN CLAYTON RANCH IS EQUALLY IS BAD, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF GO-ALONG WHITE CHAPELS THAT ARE LITERALLY AS HIGH AS THE TWO-STORY WALLS.
IN EFFECT, WHAT YOU'VE GOT IS A FOUR-STORY BUILDING THERE.
THAT WOULD DESTROY THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY.
>> WELL, WE'LL CERTAINLY CONSIDER THE ROOF HEIGHTS THERE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR PLANS.
I WOULD SAY IF YOU DO DECIDE TO SELL, I HOPE YOU CAN GET ONE-ACRE LOTS, BECAUSE IT'LL BE MUCH MORE VALUABLE THAT WAY THAN IF YOU JUST SELL IT AS A ONE-TRACK.
I WOULD SAY THAT MY PLANS ENSURE SOME OF YOUR FUTURE PROPERTY VALUE.
THAT'D BE SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER AS WE GO DOWN THE ROAD, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE THE ROOF HEIGHTS INTO CONSIDERATION, SIR. THANK YOU.
MY WIFE WAS ASKING WHERE DOES WATER THAT FLOWS DOWN THE ROAD GO? THE WATER RIGHT NOW, AND I'M SORRY.
ALL OF YOU. FLOWS DOWN THE ROAD, FLOWS DOWN INTO THE BAR DITCH, DRAINS OVER INTO THE [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY, IS CAUGHT BY THE DRAINAGE DITCH THAT THEY BUILT, AND EXITS OUT THE EAST SIDE UNDER THEIR DRIVEWAY.
>> [INAUDIBLE], I LIVE RIGHT UP FROM THAT.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
ARE THEY DOING SEPTIC SYSTEMS?
>> YES. THERE'S NO SEWER AVAILABLE ON BOB JONES THAT I'M AWARE OF.
THEY'LL ALL BE SEPTICS, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> WELL, DO YOU PLAN LIKE LEACH FIELDS?
>> LEACH FIELDS. THEY DON'T DO LEACH FIELDS ANYMORE.
THEY'LL ALL BE AEROBIC SYSTEMS. THE STATES UPGRADED THEIR STANDARDS ON THAT.
YOU CAN'T DO LEACH FIELDS ANY LONGER.
THEY JUST HAD TOO MUCH TROUBLE WITH ROOTS AND TREES AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.
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THESE ALL BE AEROBIC SYSTEMS, THAT HAVE THE SERIES OF TANKS THAT THEN HAVE A SPRINKLER OR DRIP LINE THAT DOES THE EFFLUENT WATER OUTSIDE OF THAT. BUT THEY'LL ALL BE SEPTIC.>> THANK YOU. ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE IS THE ROAD IS REALLY BAD. IT'S NOT GREAT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER WITH THE AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ON IT.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'RE TALKING WITH THE CITY TO REPAIR THIS ROAD OR MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO ONE, SUSTAIN THE TRAFFIC AND TWO, JUST TAKE CARE OF ALL THE PULL HOLES AND DAMAGE THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR WITH THESE BIG SEMIS AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING UP AND DOWN, SEMI-TRUCKS. YOU FOLLOW ME?
>> I DO. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE MULTIPLE TIMES.
THERE'S A STEADY STREAM OF AMAZON TRUCKS TO USE THAT ROAD AS WELL.
I'M CERTAIN THAT THAT DOESN'T HELP THE ROADS EITHER.
WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT RESURFACING THE HALF OF OUR ROAD THAT GOES ALONG THE FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY.
I WOULDN'T THINK IT'D BE FAIR TO ANYONE ELSE IN HERE AS A LANDOWNER TO SAY, HEY, Y'ALL GO FIX THESE POTHOLES THAT ARE DOWN THE ROAD FROM YOUR HOUSE.
>> NO. MAYBE THIS CAN BE BROUGHT TO A CITY'S AWARENESS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW CITY STUFF WORKS.
I JUST KNOW, THEY GOT A ROAD OUT THERE, AND IT'S UNDERNEATH A LOT OF STRESS RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO GET WORSE.
>> WELL, I THINK TO THAT POINT, THIS ACTIVITY HERE OF THE REZONING HERE, THIS PROCESS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR THE CITY.
AS I SAID, WE CERTAINLY BE WELCOME TO LOOK AT THE IDEA OF RESURFACING THE ROAD AS IT GOES ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, BUT HAPPY TO GO SPEAK WITH THE CITY ABOUT RESURFACING AND SERVICING THE ROAD IF THERE'S POTHOLES AND UNDO REPAIR.
>> THE LAST THING I'LL POINT OUT IS WE DO GET A LOT OF WATER.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH FLOODING POOLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND WE'VE TRIED OUR VERY BEST TO RE-SHOOT IT AND ALL THAT.
BUT I'VE SEEN THAT AREA DOWN HERE LIKE A MARSH.
JUST TO GIVE YOU HEADS UP, I'M NOT TRYING TO RAIN ON YOUR PRATE, SO TO SPEAK, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD BE VERY MUCH AWARE OF IF I WERE IN YOUR SHOES.
>> YES, SIR. I APPRECIATE YOU HIGHLIGHTING THAT.
AS I SAID BEFORE, WE HIRE PROFESSIONALS.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER OR LAND PLANNER, OR SURVEYOR.
CERTAINLY, WE CAN SEE, AS OUR NEIGHBOR HAS INDICATED, THE WATER FLOWS OFF TO THE EAST OF LAKE GRAPEVINE.
WE DON'T INTEND TO CHANGE THAT IN ANY WAY.
OUR MOTIVE WOULD BE TO MITIGATE THE WATER TO THE GREATEST DEGREE POSSIBLE, SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT OUR FUTURE RESIDENTS OR THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXTEND UTILITIES DOWN THE ROAD, I GUESS?
SINCE THERE'S SEPTIC, THERE'S NO SEWER TO EXTEND, BUT WATER IS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF BOB JONES THERE.
I BELIEVE IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE. I HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT. DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT.
BUT WE'LL HAVE TO EXTEND THE WATER LINE AND LOOP THE WATER LINE THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN PRESSURE.
WE'VE NOT GOTTEN ANY PUSHBACK FROM THE CITY ON THE ADEQUACY OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS AREA.
THE WATER IS THERE IS AVAILABLE.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE RIGHT AS ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS DO TO USE THAT AND ACCESS THAT. WE'LL BE DOING THAT.
NOW, THE INTERNET, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
I HAVE PLENTY OF HORROR STORIES WITH INTERNET FOLKS, SO I WON'T GET INTO THAT, BUT THAT IS WHAT IT IS. WE REALLY CAN'T IMPACT THAT.
>> HEY, MR. JANSON, I DON'T LIVE DOWN WHERE THESE PEOPLE DO.
I LIVE AT THE CORNER OF EAST BOB JONES AND HOMESTEAD.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT THIS IS THE TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THE ROAD REALLY MORE HARD TO TAKE CARE OF THE TRAFFIC NOW.
IT SAID THE UNDERLAYMENT IT IS NOT VERY GOOD.
THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY OUT OF THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
MOST NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU'VE GOT MORE ONE WAY TO EXIT.
EVERYTHING'S GOT TO GO THAT WAY.
IN FACT, IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED BY WHEN THEY WORKED ON THAT CONSTRUCTION PROJECT OF THE BRIDGE.
IN FACT, THE DAMAGE IT DID TO WEST BOB JONES ROAD IS VISIBLE. YOU CAN GO LOOK AT IT.
I'M PROBABLY ADDRESSING THE WRONG PERSON.
I PROBABLY SHOULD BE TALKING TO THE CITY ABOUT THIS.
BUT WHEN THIS GOES IN, I THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT PROBLEM THAT WE'VE HAD WORSE.
HE WAS TALKED ABOUT WATER PRESSURE.
WATER PRESSURE IS NOT VERY GOOD.
IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ADD IS GOING TO IMPACT IT OR NOT.
IT CAN'T HELP IT UNLESS THE CITY DOES SOMETHING ELSE.
>> SIR, JUST TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENT DIRECTLY ABOUT TRAFFIC, THERE ARE STANDARDS WITHIN THE CITY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT AND TO ASSESS THAT.
I WILL SAY THE TOTAL LOTS ON THIS BEING REALLY ONLY SIX NEW HOMES IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS A CONCERN WHEN THERE'S NEW SUBDIVISIONS, BUT IT'LL BE NEGLIGIBLE.
I'VE BEEN IN THIS AREA QUITE A BIT.
HAS ANYONE GOTTEN STUCK IN A TRAFFIC JAM GOING OUT OF THEIR HOUSE OUT HERE OUT OF BOB JONES?
>> BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION ON WHITE CHAPEL, CORRECT?
>> WELL, WE GOT THAT HANDLED, SO THIS WILL BE NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT.
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OTHERWISE. YES, MA'AM. HOW CAN I HELP YOU?>> HI. MY NAME IS NANCY POLSON, AND I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP.
I'M NOT MUCH OF A SPEAKER, SO I WROTE OUT A STATEMENT.
>> IF I CAN READ IT, IT WILL BE ALL RIGHT.
>> FOR TWO YEARS, MY LATE HUSBAND AND I OBSERVED THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MAGNIFICENT SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT 500 EAST BOB JONES ROAD.
IT WAS THE PERFECT ANSWER FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PREVIOUSLY SOUGHT TO PREVENT A ZONING CHANGE SOUGHT BY A DEVELOPER SEEKING TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
>> THANK YOU. IT WAS THE PERFECT ANSWER FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PREVIOUSLY SOUGHT TO PREVENT A ZONING CHANGE SOUGHT BY A DEVELOPER SEEKING TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND BUILD SEVEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, A POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE MANY CONCERNS OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AT THAT TIME WERE TOTALLY SOUND AND REMAIN SO TODAY.
THE TOLL CONSTRUCTION OF THIS TYPE WOULD TAKE ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT.
EAST BOB JONES ROAD IS A RURAL ROAD NOT DESIGNED FOR THE NECESSARY TRUCKS AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS PROPOSED PROJECT.
AMENDING CURRENT UTILITIES WOULD BE REQUIRED.
>> [BACKGROUND] SOMEONE KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHERE WAS I? AMENDING CURRENT UTILITIES WOULD BE REQUIRED AND SO FORTH.
IN THE END, A ONCE QUIET, PEACEFUL, RUSTIC NEIGHBORHOOD, TEEMING WITH WILDLIFE WOULD BE FOREVER CHANGED BY THE AMBITIONS OF SOMEONE SEEKING TO RADICALLY RESOLVE A PERSONAL SITUATION.
CHANGING THE ZONING TO PERMIT CONSTRUCTION OF A POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD ON EAST BOB JONES ROAD BY AN EAGER DEVELOPER WOULD FOREVER COMPROMISE THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD IN SOUTHLAKE.
LEAVE OUR ZONING AS IS. [APPLAUSE]
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MA'AM.
>> I LIVE CATTY CORNER THERE, THAT LESS.
[LAUGHTER] MY PROBLEM IS, FIRST OF ALL, LIKE NANCY SAID, WE FOUGHT THIS BATTLE BEFORE.
THANK YOU. DON'T LET FRED GET UP HERE.
>> [BACKGROUND] THIS THING DON'T WANT TO MOVE.
>> YOU GOT TO BE STRONG LIKE THAT GUY. THANK YOU.
>> MY QUESTION IS, WHAT KIND OF FENCING ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?
>> WE'RE GOING TO RETAIN THE EXISTING FENCE HERE.
IF YOU SEE IN THE GREEN, THAT'S THE EXISTING SPLIT RAIL FENCE, PIPE FENCE THAT SURROUNDS THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT AT ALL.
NOW, THE PURPLE ALONG THE FRONT, THAT'S A SPLIT RAIL FENCE RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL PROBABLY ADD SOME STONE COLUMNS SIMILAR TO WHAT EXISTS ON THE ENTRANCE TO THE EXISTING HOME NOW.
BUT WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO PUT A BIG WALL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT AS IT EXISTS.
>> IN THE BACK, BECAUSE THERE'S TONS OF WILDLIFE, AS YOU KNOW.
IS IT GOING TO BE PRIVACY FENCE THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD, TO KEEP THE DEER OUT, OR WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING THERE?
>> NO, MA'AM. WE'LL RETAIN THE CURRENT FENCE THAT EXISTS TODAY.
>> YES, MA'AM. THE GREEN LINE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE OUTSIDE.
LET'S SEE IF I CAN SHOW THE MOUSE HERE.
THIS GREEN FENCE HERE, THIS GREEN RIGHT HERE IS THE EXISTING FENCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO RETAIN.
THE FENCE THAT EXISTS TODAY WILL BE WHAT IS IN THE BACK OF THESE LOTS AS IT TRANSITIONS TO THE CORE PROPERTY.
>> ON WEST BOB JONES, THERE WAS DEVELOPMENT, A POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS SLIPPED IN, I THINK, BY THE CITY.
WE CAME TO A SPIN MEETING AND TOLD THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING HAD ALREADY BEEN ACCOMPLISHED ON THAT, AND WE DIDN'T LIVE DIRECTLY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE DIDN'T GET THE LITTLE CARDS, WHICH BY THE WAY, I THINK IT'S INADEQUATE FOR WHAT WE GOT, BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS DIDN'T GET THE CARDS FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING.
BUT THEY WERE TOLD, WELL, IT'S TOO LATE TO PUT YOUR COMPLAINT IN IF YOU MISSED THE DEADLINE.
I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE UPFRONT ON THAT, BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY FAVORS A DEVELOPER.
I THOUGHT SOUTHLAKE, THE WHOLE SPIN ISSUE WAS RESPECTING THE CURRENT CITIZENS.
I THINK THE WHOLE PUSH ON THIS WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE IS NORTH SOUTHLAKE HAS BEEN THE RURAL PART OF SOUTHLAKE.
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IT'S RAPIDLY CHANGING.I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO FIGHT THAT A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF GOOD INFRASTRUCTURE STUFF OUT HERE, AND WHEN THEY DID CLOSE THAT ROAD, I'M SORRY, WHITE CHAPEL, I'M NOT KIDDING YOU, ONE DAY, IT TOOK ME AN HOUR TO GET TO 114 BECAUSE THE CITY HAD A BIG TRACK MEET THAT DAY.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE. WE COULDN'T GET OUT.
WE DON'T GET THE ATTENTION THAT YOU ARE PLANNING WITH THIS MANY PEOPLE.
WE DON'T GET THE ATTENTION OUT THERE THAT THE CITY WITH THEIR SERVICES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> YOU BET. WELL, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT P&Z, WE'VE NOT YET GONE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, SO YOU'LL HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE YOUR CONCERNS ONCE AGAIN TO US AND TO THE CITY ELECTED OFFICIALS AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS ON THE P&Z AS WELL. YES, SIR.
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT FENCING THAT'S THERE TODAY IS GOING TO STAY IN PLACE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PROPOSE CHANGE?
>> ARE THE NEW HOME OWNERS GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THAT FENCING?
>> WE'LL DICTATE TERMS TO THE NEW HOMEOWNERS. IT'LL STAY.
>> WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT THROUGH CCRS AND HOA.
AS WE'RE PROPOSING THIS WILL BE PART OF OUR ZONING PROPOSAL, THAT'LL CARRY THROUGH. YES, MA'AM.
>> I LIVE UP THE ROAD, MELISSA [INAUDIBLE].
WE MOVED HERE 17 YEARS AGO, AND WE FOUGHT THE CITY WITH BUILDING THE 572 LINE, EVERYTHING TO PRESERVE THE RUNOFF INTO THE LAKE.
I HAVE SOME GREAT CONCERN ABOUT HOW DOES THIS IMPACT THE LAKE? YOU TALKED ABOUT A TRAFFIC JAM.
I'VE GOT A TRAFFIC JAM EVERY DAY OF DEER AND TURKEY.
I DO NOT BLAME YOU FOR WANTING TO ABSOLUTELY DEVELOP THIS.
BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FERTILIZER, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SEPTICS, ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO RUN OFF STRAIGHT INTO LAKE GRAPEVINE.
THIS HAS MORE IMPACT THAN JUST LOOKING AT A BUILDING FROM A LOT AND THE TRAFFIC.
I HAVE GREAT CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE WILDLIFE.
THAT'S WHAT THE WALNUT GROVE TRAIL IS FOR.
THAT'S WHY SOUTHLAKE ANNEXED THIS AREA WAS FOR THE NATURE.
I REALLY HAVE SOME GREAT CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW REALLY HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THAT.
THEN ALSO, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PRESERVE THE LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE NEW HOMES COME IN THAT DEFINITELY STICK OUT.
[LAUGHTER] IF YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL, WILL WE HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THE NATURE OF THESE HOMES WILL LOOK LIKE?
>> YES, CERTAINLY. TO ADDRESS DIRECTLY, YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT LAKE GRAPEVINE, I WILL SAY WE ALL LIVE DOWNSTREAM.
IF WE UNDERSTOOD HOW THE PIPES ALL FLOW.
GRAPEVINE GETS A LOT OF AFFLUENT WATER FROM UPSTREAM.
IN FACT, EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN EVERY CITY THAT'S UPSTREAM OF LAKE GRAPEVINE GETS AFFLUENT WATER TO LAKE GRAPEVINE.
THE WAY THAT THEY'VE DONE AND CHANGED THE RULES FOR SEPTIC, MUCH LIKE THE LEECH LINE QUESTION, THE LEECH LINES WERE A VERY INFERIOR WAY TO DO THAT.
IT WAS AN ANSWER WITHOUT THE TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE TODAY.
ESSENTIALLY, WITH THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED, WE HAVE TO GO TO A CERTIFIED SEPTIC SERVICE COMPANY THAT DESIGNS THE SYSTEMS, WE SUBMIT THAT TO THE CITY AS PART OF THE ZONING CRITERIA.
ESSENTIALLY, THE WATER THAT COMES OUT OF THESE SEPTIC SYSTEMS IS THE SAME AS IT COMES OUT OF THE TREATMENT PLANT FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
I KNOW THIS IS NOT A POPULAR THING TO SAY TO MOST PEOPLE, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIES WITHIN THE METROPLEX THAT ACTUALLY TAKE THE AFFLUENT WATER OUT OF THEIR SEWER TREATMENT PLANTS AND PUT IT BACK INTO THE SYSTEM AND TREAT IT AS DRINKING WATER.
PEOPLE DON'T REALLY LIKE TO PEEL BACK THE ONION ON THAT, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT BASED ON THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE FROM THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AND THE STATE, FRANKLY, FOR SEPTIC SYSTEMS, ALL OF THESE SEPTIC SYSTEMS WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE WATER QUALITY OF LAKE GRAPEVINE.
THE REAL TRUTH IS WE LIVE IN THE CITY OF EIGHT MILLION PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.
I UNDERSTAND THE RULE OF CHARACTER OF NORTH SOUTHLAKE.
WE APPRECIATE THAT. FRANKLY, THAT'S WHY WE LIKE THIS.
FROM AN AMENITY STANDPOINT, WE'RE SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY A CORPS OF ENGINEER PROPERTY.
WE FEEL LIKE THAT OPEN SPACE GIVES OUR FUTURE RESIDENTS THE CHANCE TO ENGAGE AND EXPERIENCE THE DEER AND THE TURKEY, AS YOU SAY, THE TRAFFIC JAM THAT YOU HAVE.
I LOVE DEERS AS A MATTER OF FACT, SO I'D I'D BE HAPPY TO.
>> WELL, THE NEIGHBORS WILL EXPERIENCE THE BOARS BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT EVERYBODY'S YARDS TOO.
>> WELL HOGS ARE AGAINST THE HOA, SO THERE'S NO HOGS OR SNAKES.
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>> I REALLY WANT EVERYBODY TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF WHAT IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING HERE WITH AS FAR AS FERTILIZERS, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE GOING STRAIGHT INTO THE LAKE, AND YOU CAN'T CONTROL THAT.
>> WELL, I WILL SAY THIS IN THE SAME WAY THAT I DON'T TELL ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT YOU HAVE, WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T PUT ON THEIR LAWNS.
I'M NOT GOING TO TELL THE FOLKS THAT BUY HERE WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T PUT ON THEIR LAWNS.
THERE'S A HIGHER POWER THAT REGULATES THAT THAN I DO, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY COMPLY IN EVERY WAY WE POSSIBLY CAN.
>> I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO SAY.
WE LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY.
MY NAME IS GLENDA WILLIAMS LOVE.
WE ENDURED MORE THAN TWO YEARS OF DUST AND CONSTRUCTION ON OUR PROPERTY.
WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT WAS ALL ZONED AGRICULTURAL, AND IT WAS A VERY RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOW, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS, WE ARE GOING TO ENDURE YET MORE CONSTRUCTION WITH DUST AND LARGE TRUCKS, AND IT WILL DEFINITELY IMPACT THE QUALITY OF OUR LIFE.
I'M NOT 30-YEARS-OLD, AND SO I DON'T HAVE 10 YEARS OR EVEN FIVE TO LOOK AT CONSTRUCTION LIKE THIS.
THE NEXT THING AND LAST IS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE ACRE LOTS.
ALL OF THE LOTS THAT SURROUND THIS PROPERTY ARE A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN ONE ACRE.
THE JOHNSONS HAVE MORE THAN SEVEN ACRES, AND THEY ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
ALL OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STREET ARE A MINIMUM OF AN ACRE AND A HALF, IF NOT LARGER.
THE ONE ACRE THING IS TOTALLY OUT WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE FOUR HORSE FARMS ON EAST BOB JONES, AND THOSE HAVE MANY MORE THAN ONE ACRE, AND WE LOVE HAVING THOSE, AND THOSE WILL GO AWAY BECAUSE OF ALL THE TRAFFIC.
THE HORSES CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT.
WE LOVE YOU, BUT WE DON'T WANT YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MA'AM. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU SAID THE TRAFFIC WASN'T GOING TO IMPACT ANYTHING.
WE LIVE AT BOB JONES AND ON SADDLE RIDGE, OUR ADDRESS IS SAM BASS RIDGE ROAD.
TWO KIDS, AND MY DAUGHTER HERE RIDES HORSES DAILY, AND SHE GOES BACK AND FORTH TO BOB JONES.
IT'S ALREADY TOUGH CAUSE PEOPLE JUST REALLY GO FAST ON BOB JONES.
IF YOU ADD SIX MORE PROPERTIES, POTENTIALLY FOUR CARS PER HOUSE, THAT'S MAYBE 24, 25 MORE CARS GOING TWO TIMES, THREE TIMES, FOUR TIMES A DAY.
EVERY TIME MY KIDS GO OUT, I'M JUST PRAYING AND HOPING THAT SOMEONE SLOWS DOWN ON THAT ROAD WHILE THEY CROSS.
I THINK IT'S JUST ADDING THAT MANY MORE TIMES THAT THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS.
IT'S VERY DANGEROUS FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AROUND THERE.
THIS JUST ADDS 100 TIMES MORE POSSIBILITIES OF SOMEONE GETTING HURT ON THAT ROAD, ADDING ALL THESE HOUSES AND THE TRAFFIC THERE.
>> HOW LONG ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THIS TO TAKE, FROM THE TIME OF IT'S APPROVAL TO THE TIME THE LAST PIECE OF SAND IS LAID IN SOMEBODY'S YARD?
>> TYPICALLY, ZONING CASES TAKE ANYWHERE FROM 4-6 MONTHS.
AS WE GO THROUGH THE CITY PROCESS IS A CITY MANDATED SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY. WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED.
THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THIS MEETING HERE.
A SUBDIVISION THIS SIZE WILL TAKE ABOUT A YEAR TO BUILD.
ONCE WE CAN START TURNING DIRT, IT'LL BE ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE.
>> YES, SIR. I WOULD ANTICIPATE BEING THAT IT'S SO SMALL, THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE SIX NEW HOUSES.
WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SELL ALL OF THESE RIGHT AWAY.
MY GUESS WOULD BE THERE'D BE ABOUT TWO YEARS TOTAL BETWEEN THE TIME WE START TURNING DIRT FOR THE SUBDIVISION AND THE HOUSES GET FINISHED.
NOW, IS THAT GOING TO BE IMPACTFUL? IS THERE GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTION CONSIDERATIONS? JUST LIKE WHEN Y'ALLS HOUSES WERE BUILT, YES, THERE WILL BE CONSTRUCTION CONSIDERATIONS,
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BUT THAT'S NOT A PERMANENT SITUATION.THAT'S JUST A SITUATION AS WE BUILD THESE HOMES, SO ABOUT TWO YEARS.
>> [BACKGROUND] DO THAT IN A YEAR.
>> WEST BOB [INAUDIBLE] IT TOOK THREE YEARS.
>> WELL, I WILL SAY, MAYBE IT TAKES 13 OR 14 MONTHS. HERE'S WHAT I WILL SAY.
I'VE DONE THIS OVER 30 TIMES WITHIN NORTHEAST TARRANT COUNTY, I'VE DONE 30 PLUS SUBDIVISIONS.
WE'RE PRETTY WELL-VERSED AT GETTING IT DONE IN AN EXPEDIENT WAY.
FRANKLY, IF I COULD DO IT IN SIX MONTHS, I'D DO IT IN SIX MONTHS.
BUT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TIME? CERTAINLY, IT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME.
I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND BLOW SMOKE AND SAY, NO, IT'S GOING TO BE THREE MONTHS AND NO PROBLEM.
THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE. IT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME.
>> ARE YOU BUILDING THE HOMES OR ARE YOU OFFERING THE BUILDER?
>> NO. WE DO HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION.
WE'LL DO THE SUBDIVISION, SO THAT'LL BE ABOUT A YEAR, AND THEN ABOUT ANOTHER YEAR FOR THE HOMES THEMSELVES.
NOW, IF A BUILDER TAKES LONGER THAN THE YEAR, THAT BE ON THEM, BUT WE SELL THE CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS.
THESE WILL ALL BE HIGH END CUSTOM HOMES.
WE ANTICIPATE 3-$4 MILLION HOMES IN THIS SITE. YES, MA'AM.
>> THE SUBDIVISION, THE POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF WEST BOB JONES AND WHITE CHAPEL WAS COMPLETED AT LEAST TWO YEARS AGO, NOT ONE HOUSE HAS GONE INTO THAT SUBDIVISION.
IF THIS SITS HERE, IF YOU PUT THIS IN AND YOU DON'T SELL THESE LOTS, THEN MOST OF US WHO ARE ACROSS THE STREET, WE'LL BE STUCK WITH A REAL MASSIVE EYESORE.
HOW CAN YOU GUARANTEE THAT YOU CAN SELL THOSE LOTS BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GOT A POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD IN OUR AREA THAT HASN'T SOLD ONE HOUSE?
>> WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WILL COMMIT TO YOU THAT WE WON'T BUILD THE SUBDIVISION UNTIL WE SELL THE LOTS.
WE WON'T DO THE DEAL UNTIL WE SELL THEM UP FRONT.
>> EVEN IF YOU SELL THE LOTS YOU'RE SELLING THAT YOU'RE BUILDING A HOUSE.
>> NO, WE'LL SELL THE BUILDERS, AND THEY HAVE USERS THAT BUY JUST LIKE THE FOLKS THAT YOU GUYS [OVERLAPPING].
>> I KNOW HOW IT WORKS, BUT I'M SAYING THEY DID THAT IN THE OTHER SUBDIVISION AS WELL, AND THERE'S NOT ONE HOUSE THAT'S GONE UP YET.
>> WELL, I KNOW THE SUBDIVISION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M NOT GOING TO PASS JUDGMENT ON THAT, BUT I THINK IT HAS OTHER CHALLENGES.
>> BUT FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE HERE, THAT IS A CONCERN BECAUSE YOU SIT THERE AND SAY YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE OUR PROPERTY VALUES, BUT NOT IF IT'S JUST A PILE OF DIRT.
>> NO, OBVIOUSLY, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME CONSTRUCTION, AND THERE'LL BE SOME PAIN IN THAT PROCESS.
>> NOT ONE HOUSE HAS BEEN BUILT ON WEST BOB JONES, AND IT'S BEEN OVER TWO YEARS.
IT'S JUST BECOMING A WEED PILE.
>> YEAH. FIVE YEAR PROJECT SALVAGED. WE LIVE RIGHT BEHIND HERE.
AND I HAVE STATED THERE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS LISTENING TO CONSTRUCTION STARTED AT 7:00 A.M. EVERY MORNING.
BECAUSE THOSE ARE ONE ACRE AND 1.5 ACRE LOTS.
THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AGRICULTURE.
THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE ACREAGE THAT WE DID.
>> THIS IS ONE OF THE ONLY AREAS THAT IS AT.
IT'S WHY WE PURCHASED IT SO THAT I CAN HAVE CHICKENS AND SHEEP [INAUDIBLE] FOR MY KIDS TO RAGE.
WE ARE ONE OF THE LAST AREAS IN THE SOUTH.
WE HAVE GREAT SCHOOLS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE MCMANSIONS ALL THROUGHOUT.
THIS IS THE ONLY AREA THAT HAS ACREAGE.
WHEN ZOE AND HER HUSBAND BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY AND BUILT IT, WE WERE SO EXCITED.
MY KIDS THEY RIDE THEIR BIKES.
I WALK OUR DOGS, MY MOM AND I WALK EVERY MORNING, OUR DOGS.
WE GO DOWN THERE, WE SEE THE TURKEYS.
WE SEE THE DEER. THAT IS WHAT MY KIDS ARE BEING RAISED WITH.
YOU ADD MORE, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO AWAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING TO EAT.
THEY HAVE NOTHING TO PRERANGE ON.
SO MUCH TRAFFIC. IT CHANGES THE WHOLE FEEL OF IT.
>> I KNOW YOU HAVE THAT SMILE ON YOUR FACE. YOU DON'T LIVE HERE.
>> MY FAMILY MOVED TO SOUTHLAKE IN 1960.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT RURAL SOUTHLAKE, I'M VERY WELL AWARE OF WHAT SOUTHLAKE WAS AND HAS BECOME.
WELL, HERE'S WHAT I'LL SAY, AND I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE WITH YOU, BUT WE HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
JUST LIKE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE HORSES AND CHICKENS ON YOUR PROPERTY, WE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP PROPERTY THAT WE OWN.
THAT'S WHAT WE INTEND TO PRESS AS OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
NOW, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT MANY OF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, THAT IS THE FACT.
WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP OUR PROPERTY.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ECONOMIC GAIN IN DEVELOPING OUR PROPERTY, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT NEW HOUSES THERE, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS WHOLE AUDITORIUM BUILT THEIR HOUSE AS WELL.
I'M SURE WHENEVER Y'ALL'S NEIGHBORHOODS CAME, AND THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY, THAT'S ALL ONE ACRE LOTS.
I'M SURE EVERYONE ON BOB JONES WAS AGAINST IT.
NOW THEY'RE ALL FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY.
I'VE DONE THIS ENOUGH TIMES, MA'AM.
I'LL TELL YOU, I PROMISE YOU THAT WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS, YOU'LL END UP WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH YOUR DOGS AND YOUR DAUGHTER AND YOUR MOTHER, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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EVERYONE FIGHTS IT, THEY HATE IT, AND THEN IT'S DONE, IT'S NICE.WE DO WHAT WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT'S PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY.
TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW, IT'LL BE JUST LIKE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, AND I PROMISE YOU Y'ALL ARE GOING TO WALK DOWN THE STREET WHEN WE GET DONE WITH THIS SUBDIVISION, JUST LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO.
[BACKGROUND] I SAID I BUILD THE SUBDIVISION FOR A YEAR. YES, MA'AM.
THEN THE HOME BUILDERS? [BACKGROUND] CORRECT? [BACKGROUND] SURE.
AGAIN, IT'LL BE A YEAR TO BUILD I'M SORRY. I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
>> MA'AM, CAN YOU COME USE THE MIC, PLEASE?
>> YOU WENT FROM ONE YEAR TO TWO YEARS.
NOW, IF A DEVELOPER DOESN'T COME IN AND START BUILDING ON THAT PROPERTY, THEN AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE SADDLE RIDGE, WHICH IS BEHIND US.
WE'RE LIKE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS IN.
THERE'S STILL ALL THESE PROPERTIES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN BUILT ON.
EVERY SIX MONTHS, WE START INTO ANOTHER PROPERTY GETS PURCHASED, AND THEN THEY START DEVELOPING AND THE NOISE.
IT'S JUST ONGOING. IT'S CONSTANT.
I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE PEOPLE THAT MOVED INTO SADDLE RIDGE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.
ACTUALLY, SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY ANNOYED AT THE FACT THAT THEY WERE PROMISED, WELL, THIS WOULD BE A DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD GO IN PRETTY IMMEDIATELY.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE HAMMERING.
BUT HERE WE ARE, HOW MANY YEARS IN, 07:00 A.M. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, AND SOME SATURDAYS, AND WE'RE LISTENING TO THE BANGING OF HAMMERS.
>> YES, MA'AM. THERE IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTION NOISE. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
>> THAT MAY BE POTENTIALLY WHAT THIS IS, TOO.
>> WELL, I WOULD SAY THIS IS SIX LOTS COMPARED TO MANY MORE LOTS IN SADDLEBACK.
WHAT I DID SAY WAS, THAT WOULD TAKE US A YEAR TO BUILD THE SUBDIVISION, AND IT TAKES A YEAR TO BUILD HOMES.
NOW, ARE ALL THOSE HOMES GO TO START OFF RIGHT AWAY? NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT. I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY HERE AND TELL YOU THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE.
HOWEVER, BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS, IS IT NOT THEIR RIGHT TO BUILD A HOUSE ON THEIR PROPERTY? IS IT NOT THEIR RIGHT TO BUILD A HOME?
>> IT'S AN AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY.
ONE OF THE LAST ONES IN SOUTHLAKE, AND YOU YOURSELF SAID THAT YOU MOVED TO SOUTHLAKE BACK IN WHAT WAS IT 1968?
>> 1960. MY GRANDPARENTS SAID, YES.
>> YOU KNOW KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE WHEN IT WAS RURAL.
WE ARE ONE OF THE LAST POCKETS, LAST ONES, AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
IT'S JUST WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP ONE LAST PIECE OF PARADISE BEFORE IT GETS RUN OVER.
>> WELL, I GUESS MY COUNTER TO THAT WOULD BE THIS PROPERTY WAS FOR SALE FOR MANY MONTHS BEFORE WE CONTRACTED IT.
IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO KEEP THE PARADISE, COULD HAVE POOLED YOUR MONEY AND BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND KEPT IT AGRICULTURAL.
[BACKGROUND] I DON'T WANT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT I DISAGREE.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP OUR PROPERTY AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD HOMES.
WHY AREN'T WE HERE? WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WHY HAVEN'T YOU STARTED?
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I AGREE WITH YOU.
BUT WE'RE HERE TO HEAR YOUR INPUT.
WE'RE HERE TO CONCEDE WHERE WE CAN AND HOW WE CAN AND TO THAT END, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
>> ARE YOU ASKING FOR A ZONING CHANGE.
>> IT IS. IT'S AGRICULTURAL ZONED RIGHT NOW, YES.
[BACKGROUND] WE CAN BUILD A COUPLE MORE HOUSES ON THE TOTAL ACREAGE BASED ON THE CURRENT AGRICULTURAL ZONING, BUT NO, THIS IS A ZONING CASE. YES, SIR.
>> YOU'RE ASKING FOR A ZONING CHANGE FOR THE PROJECT.
>> MONI SPARKS, I LIVED HERE FOR 40 YEARS.
I CAME OUT HERE WHEN CARL SMITH WAS DEVELOPING THE AREA THAT I LIVE IN NOW.
THAT PARTICULAR PLOT OF LAND IS WHAT THE CITY MANAGER CAME TO US WITH UP AT CARL'S HOUSE ONE NIGHT AND SAID, THERE'S AN ENTREPRENEUR THAT'S GOING TO BUILD A HELIPORT IN THAT GRAVEL PIT.
UNLESS YOU INCORPORATE INTO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
AT THAT TIME, THE CITY MANAGER OF SOUTHLAKE, IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING WHY THIS AUDIENCE IS SKEPTICAL.
THE CITY MANAGER TOLD US YOU'RE GOING TO GET STREET LIGHTS, SIDEWALKS AND SEWERS.
INCORPORATE. AT THE TIME THERE WAS JUST A HANDFUL OF HOUSES OUT THERE.
NOW, HERE WE ARE TONIGHT AND YOU'RE TELLING US THAT IF WE JUST AGREE TO THIS ZONING CHANGE, WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE HAPPY AGAIN.
I'M SORRY, SIR, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I'M NOT BUYING IT.
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>> I WAS JUST SIMPLY CURIOUS IF THE 30 PROPERTIES THAT YOUR COMPANY HAS DEVELOPED.
HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN IN LAKE AREAS?
>> IN LAKE AREAS? WE DID ONE IN 2020 THAT'S CALLED HIDDEN TRAILS OFF OF BERNIE.
THERE WAS EIGHT, ONE ACRE PLUS LOTS OFF OF BERNIE LANE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING HOUSES ON RIGHT NOW.
BEAUTIFUL SUBDIVISION THAT BORDERED LAKE GRAPEVINE OVER BY MEADOW MERE PARK.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I'VE DONE THAT'S BACKED UP TO LAKE GRAPEVINE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE MANY BEAUTIFUL SUBDIVISIONS IN COLEVILLE, SOUTHLAKE, KELLER, GRAPEVINE, AND OTHERWISE.
I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A CARD HERE, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO DOWNLOAD AND CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL SUBDIVISIONS, SOME OF THE NICEST SUBDIVISIONS, I THINK IN NORTHEAST HARRAN COUNTY, VERY PROUD OF ALL THAT WE'VE DONE.
HAPPY TO SHOW Y'ALL AND DISCUSS OUR PREVIOUS PROJECTS.
I THINK SOME OF THE FINEST SUBDIVISIONS IN COLEVILLE, BROUGHTON, WHITTIER HEIGHTS, OLD GROVE.
I'VE BEEN A PART OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
GREW UP WITH A NURSERY BUSINESS.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL REQUIRE THIS SITE WILL ACTUALLY END UP HAVING MORE TREES ON IT THAN IT DOES NOW WHEN WE'RE DONE, BECAUSE WE'LL REQUIRE OUR BUILDERS TO PLANT FOUR OR FIVE, SIX INCH TREES IN THE FRONT YARDS.
WHAT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY WILL EXIST WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THE HOME.
SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE DO IS WE TRY TO BEAUTIFY EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING. ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT?
>> HAVE YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY YET?
>> NO, MA'AM. IT'S IN A CONTRACT. NOW, YOU'VE GOT THE MONEY. WE'RE PROBABLY JUST GOING TO BUY IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH ME ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE IT YET.
I'M SORRY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS TOPIC? [BACKGROUND]
>> WE'RE GOING TO FACE EAST BOB JONES ROAD. THREE HOUSES.
>> THAT'S GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE BUILDER OR THE BUYER.
>> THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO FACE THAT COLUSA STREET, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT.
>> WELL, THE EXISTING HOUSE OBVIOUSLY EXISTS SO IT FACES BOB JONES, WE'LL LEAVE THAT.
LOT NUMBER 2, THAT'S ITS ONLY OPTION.
IT'S ROAD FRONTAGES BOB JONES SO YES, WE'LL REQUIRE THAT.
LOT 7, I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR IT TO FACE BOB JONES.
WE'RE CERTAINLY FLEXIBLE ABOUT THAT, BUT OUR INTENTION RIGHT NOW IS THAT THAT FACES BOB JONES.
>> YES, SIR. [BACKGROUND] IF WE GET TO THE END OF THE DEAL WITH CITY COUNCIL AND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE ZONING, THEN YEAH, WE'LL COMPLY WITH THAT.
>> I GET TO WASTE ANOTHER HOUR IN FRONT OF THERE YOU GO.
>> I'M SORRY. LOT 1 IS THE EXISTING HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE? YES, MA'AM. RIGHT HERE.
IT'S AN ACRE, 1.2 ACRES, VERY SIMILAR TO THOSE ACROSS THE STREET.
THAT LOTS 1 AND 2 ARE AS WIDE AS THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY'RE JUST NOT QUITE AS DEEP, BUT THEY ARE VERY COMPARABLE.
ANY LAST QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
>> FORTY FOUR THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
>> FORTY THREE FIVE SIXTY, SIR.
[BACKGROUND] WE HAVE, AS YOU ALL ARE VERY AWARE, REAL ESTATE IS VERY EXPENSIVE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
IT MAKES IT PROBLEMATIC TO DO ONE LESS LOT TO BE FRANK.
FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME BUY A LOT 1 AND 2 AND RETAIN THE BARN THAT'S THERE AND MAKE THAT A TWO ACRE LOT, AND THEY WERE WILLING TO COME STEP TO THE LINE, SO TO SPEAK, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WE LIKE BUILDING BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE LIKE BUILDING TIMELESS NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE'RE PROUD OF.
WE ADD VALUE TO, WE HAD TREES, WE ADD ALL OF THOSE THINGS TOO.
IF WE COULD MAKE IT WORK BY COMBINING A LOT 1 AND 2 INTO ONE PROPERTY, WE'D BE OPEN TO THAT. WE'RE NOT MARRIED TO IT.
WE DO THIS FOR A LIVING. WE WANT TO MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL.
WE WANT TO MAKE IT VALUABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND FOR OUR FUTURE LAND OWNERS.
WE'D CONSIDER THAT AS WELL. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS ONLINE.
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>> I DO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS THAT WE'VE GOT ONLINE THAT I'LL JUST READ.
NONE OF THEM ARE QUESTIONS, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO THEM, BUT FIRST ONE IS FROM CHRISTINA STARK.
>> SHE SAYS, I LIVE OFF BOB JONES ROAD, AND I'M STRONGLY AGAINST THIS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CURRENTLY HAS A UNIQUE AND SPECIAL ENVIRONMENT THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN OTHER PARTS OF SOUTHLAKE.
HOMES ARE FAR APART, PRIVATE, AND SURROUNDED BY NATURE.
WE HAVE WOODS, WILD LIFE, AND TRANQUILITY, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I MOVED HERE.
THIS DEVELOPMENT THREATENS THE BEAUTY AND CERTAINTY THAT I SPECIFICALLY SEARCHED FOR WHEN I WAS MOVING.
IT USED TO BE THIS PORTION OF SOUTHLAKE WAS TO REMAIN MORE RURAL, KEEPING THE WOODS, PRESERVING NATURE, AND ENSURING LOT TO BE FIVE ACRES OR MORE.
IN MORE RECENT YEARS, THE CITY CHANGED THE RULES AND ALLOWED ONE ACRE LOTS.
AS A RESULT, WE SEE MORE AND MORE DEVELOPMENTS OF NORTH WHITE CHAPEL DESTROYING THE NATURE AND WILDERNESS MANY OF US MOVED FOR, AND IT BREAKS MY HEART.
I DON'T WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I WANT TO SAVE THIS LITTLE PIECE OF SOUTHLAKE AND LET IT BE RURAL, LET IT BE RURAL.
THEN SECOND ONE IS FROM SEAN STARK.
HE SAYS, I'M TRAVELING AND UNABLE TO ATTEND.
HOWEVER, I'M STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT 500 EAST BOB JONES ROAD.
WE PURCHASED OUR HOME, INVESTING IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE IN THIS AREA FOR THE MORE RURAL FEEL AND AN URBAN AREA.
A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS IS NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE AREA, AND I'M CONFIDENT MY NEIGHBORS ARE NOT IN SUPPORT OF A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS.
ADDITIONALLY, RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, IT APPEARS TO BE AN ESPECIALLY BAD DESIGN.
ATTEMPTING TO WRAP SEVEN LOTS AROUND AN EXISTING FAIRLY NEW HOME ON A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF LAND JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
IT WILL BE FORCED AND AWKWARD, WHICH IS NOT GOOD FOR ANYONE.
THE CITIZENS OF SOUTHLAKE USE THIS PORTION OF THE CITY FOR THEIR PARKS, NATURE, PRESERVE, BIKING, ETC AND THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES AGAINST ALL THOSE BY INCREASING TRAFFIC, NOISE, CRAMMING IN MORE HOMES, AND MOVING IN PEOPLE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THEM.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND UNDERSTANDING AND SUPPORT.
THEN THE LAST ONE IS FROM WENDELL CHOI.
WE ARE OPPOSED TO PERMITTING ANY ZONING CHANGES THAT WOULD ALTER THE CHARACTER, TRAFFIC, OR TRADITION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
REZONING 500 EAST BOB JONES WOULD DO ALL THREE OF THOSE.
IS THERE ANY LAST QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC, IF NOT, WE'LL GET TO THE NEXT ONE.
OUR NEXT TOPIC IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED BY MR. BOYD AS WELL.
[3. SPIN2025-04 — An applicant is proposing a 26-acre multi-use development at 550 W. SH 114 and Dove Rd. within SPIN Neighborhood #3. ]
AN APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 26 ACRE MULTI USE DEVELOPMENT OF 550 WEST STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND DOVE ROAD WITHIN SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 3.>> I'LL GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE IF THEY WANT TO FILE OUT.
THEY'RE HERE FOR THE SECOND CASE.
HELLO, EVERYONE. IF YOU MISSED IT THE FIRST TIME, I'M JODI BOYD, BRIDGE ROCK DEVELOPMENTS.
THIS IS 550 STATE HIGHWAY 114.
IT'S ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 114 AND DOVE ROAD.
THEY'RE JUST TO THE WEST OF THE METAIRIE.
THIS IS OUR SITE LOCATION, BEAUTIFUL LOCATION.
THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY IS MIXED USE.
ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS HIGH USE RETAIL USES ON THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS SP-2, WHICH IS SITE SPECIFIC RETAIL ZONING.
THIS IS NOT A ZONING CASE, THIS IS A LAND USE PLAN THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD TO THE CITIES.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REZONE THIS IN ANY WAY.
THIS IS OUR FIRST CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE TOOK TO CORRIDOR COMMITTEE HERE AT THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE A MONTH OR SO AGO.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WE HAD.
THE BUILDING ON THE NORTH HERE.
NOW, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT ALL OF THESE USES THAT I'M PROPOSING ON THIS PROPERTY ARE APPROVED BY RIGHT.
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THIS IS NOT A ZONING CASE, THIS IS A LAND PLAN, NOT A ZONING CASE.THE PURPLE HERE ARE RESTAURANTS.
WE'LL HAVE SOME FRONT FACING HIGH END RESTAURANTS HERE.
THE RED IS MORE TRADITIONAL, RETAIL, GROCERY STORE, RETAIL USES.
THE YELLOW ON THE BACK SIDE ALONG KIRKWOOD IS FOUR STORY OFFICE BUILDING.
AGAIN, THIS IS ALL APPROVED BY RIGHT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GOT FROM THE CITY WHEN WE CAME TO THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE IS THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE RETAIL USES MORE FRONT FACING UNDER HIGHWAY 114, SO WE DID THAT.
THIS IS THE RESULT OF THAT INPUT FROM CITY STAFF AND THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THERE AT THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE.
WE MOVED THE FOUR STORY HOTEL THERE TO THE CORNER, THAT HARD CORNER OF DEVEN 114.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT HERE THAT WE REALLY ARE INTRIGUED AND ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING IS THE RESTAURANT PAD SITES.
THESE RESTAURANTS, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS ALL BACK UP TO OPEN SPACE.
YOU HAVE RESTAURANT WITH PATIO THAT'S ENCLOSED OPEN SPACE.
PART OF THE RULES FOR TABC IS IN ORDER TO HAVE A PATIO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A MARGARITA OR A GLASS OF WINE ON, IT HAS TO BE ENCLOSED.
WHAT OUR PROPOSAL FOR THE RESTAURANT SITE HERE IS TO HAVE IT WHERE IT BACKS UP TO A TRAIL AND OPEN SPACE THAT'S ENCLOSED AROUND THAT POND SO THAT YOU COULD GO OUT THERE, YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE CAN HAVE A GLASS OF WINE OR MARGARITA AND KIDS, OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY CAN WALK AROUND THE PARK AND ENJOY THEMSELVES THERE IN THE OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT OUR IDEA THERE, WITH THE RESTAURANT PAD SITES ARE IS TO HAVE PATIO OPEN SPACE THAT PEOPLE CAN COME AND ENJOY AT HIGH END RESTAURANTS.
THE RED THERE AGAIN, RETAIL, GROCERY, AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE FOUR STORY OFFICE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
AS I SAID, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS PROPERTY COMPLIES WITH ZONING.
THIS IS SIMPLY A CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE LAND USE.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
>> CAN YOU PLEASE, MIKE. SORRY, FOR VIEWERS AT HOME.
>> DO YOU HAVE AN ANCHOR TENANT?
>> AN ANCHOR TENANTS FOR? YEAH, WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED THOSE PLANS AS WE GET OUR LAND PLAN PUT TOGETHER, BUT, YES, WE DO.
>> THE GROCERY STORE, CAN YOU SHARE THE CHAIN?
>> DOES IT START WITH A H AND END WITH A B?
>> I ACTUALLY DID CALL HEB, BUT THEY HAVEN'T CALLED ME BACK.
SOMEBODY ELSE. I CAN'T SAY THAT. YES, SIR.
>> SAME TOPIC. IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE ADJACENT TO SHIVERS TRACT IS QUOTING A WHOLE FOODS GOING IN.
SEEMS A LITTLE FAR FETCHED THAT TWO GROCERY STORES ADJACENT TO ONE ANOTHER.
>> WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THOSE FOLKS, THE TRADEMARK FOLKS THERE ON THE SHIVERS PROPERTY.
THE SHIVER MISS ATLEY'S OLD FAMILY FRIENDS OF OURS FROM HIGH SCHOOL.
SHE HELPED MY BROTHER OUT QUITE A BIT IN HIGH SCHOOL, SO WE KNOW THEM VERY WELL.
WE'RE PRETTY WELL VERSED WITH THEIR PLAN.
WE HAVEN'T YET COORDINATED THE ZONING, BUT WE'RE IN TALKS WITH THEM TO DO THAT.
THE DIFFERENCE BEING THAT THE SHIVERS PROPERTY DOESN'T HAVE ZONING, IT'S AGRICULTURAL.
ANOTHER AREA THAT HAS AGRICULTURAL ZONING INSIDE THE CITY THAT'S NOT NORTH SOUTHLAKE, BUT WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE HIGH USE RETAIL ZONING ON OUR PROPERTY.
>> YOU'RE REALLY THINKING, I'M SURE EVERYONE READS THE HEADLINES ABOUT OFFICE DEMAND, WHICH IS AND WE'VE SEEN SPACE SITTING AT GRANITES PROJECT FOR YEARS THAT FOUR STORY OFFICE IS FINANCEABLE.
>> WE THOUGHT THE SAME THING. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT IT.
IF IT ULTIMATELY ENDS UP BEING THAT, THAT'S STILL AN OPEN QUESTION AS WE WORK THROUGH OUR PLANS HERE, BUT WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT HAVE GIVEN US EYES ON IT, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
>> TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN.
YOU WOULD DO THE HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENT, AND YOU WOULD THEN TRY AND FIND VERTICAL DEVELOPERS FOR THIS CONCEPT.
>> I'M GABRIEL MILLER, 405 ORCHARD HILL DRIVE IN SOUTHLAKE. HOW ARE YOU?
I'VE BEEN IN KIRKWOOD HOLLOW FOR 20 YEARS.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS PIECE OF LAND SEVERAL TIMES.
I'M ON THE HOA, SO I'VE REALLY LOOKED AT IT SEVERAL TIMES AS IT'S COME THROUGH THE CITY FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
IN THE PAST YEARS, I BELIEVE THE ZONING THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE IS ATTACHED TO A VERY SPECIFIC TREE PRESERVATION.
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THERE'S CODING IN THAT ZONING THAT IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE TREES THAT HAVE TO BE PRESERVED ON THIS LAND.>> TECHNICALLY, GABRIEL, THIS IS UNDER THE PREVIOUS TREE ORDINANCE.
ANYTHING THAT'S IN PARKING OR PAD SITES IS EXEMPT.
WE'RE UNDER THE OLD TREE ORDINANCE.
>> I'M NOT THE PERSON THAT'S THE EXPERT ON THIS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT REALLY DUG DEEP INTO IT AND HE HAD TO LEAVE.
BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT NOT TAKING DOWN ALL THE TREES, EVEN IF YOU COULDN'T PUT THE PARKING LOTS IN FOR IT.
>> THAT'S NOT OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM CITY STAFF.
>> I COULD HAVE IT WRONG. I'M GOING TO DEFER TO HIM AT SOCIAL MEETING SO THAT I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION.
>> YEAH, WHATEVER IT IS, WE'LL COMPLY.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REZONE THIS. WE TRY TO USE THE ONE CURRENT ZONING.
>> COUPLE OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAD TO LEAVE BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS ONE WENT LONG.
I'M GOING TO JUST READ OFF A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HIT MY FACEBOOK TONIGHT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT WAS COMING AND TO PROVIDE COMMENTS.
A COUPLE OF PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE GROCERY STORES STAY ON 1709 AND NOT BE UP HERE BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A PIT STOP FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE FURTHER DOWN.
THAT'S COMING FROM OTHER RESIDENTS.
FOR ME, I WOULDN'T MIND A SMALL GROCERY STORE IF IT WAS A REALLY HIGH END SMALL GROCERY STORE THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TARGETING.
>> THEN I HAD A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS THAT TALKED ABOUT NOT WANTING LATE NIGHT LIVE MUSIC, LIGHTS, LIKE TO KEEP THE LIGHT REFRACTION DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT THERE.
WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS, WE'RE ADJACENT TO YOU LIGHT POLLUTION, AIR POLLUTION, LIKE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, THAT STUFF.
I KNOW THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC.
WE ALREADY ARE SEEING AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON KIRKWOOD BECAUSE THE HIGHWAY DOESN'T FUNCTION WELL AND SO THEY ALL DIVERT OFF.
>> THEY ALL COME UP DOVE AND THEY GO KIRKWOOD.
>> YEAH. WELL, THEY REALLY JUST USE KIRKWOOD FROM SOLANA OVER.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT TAKE DOVE ALL THE WAY.
BUT THAT NEXT SECTION OF KIRKWOOD IS REALLY HEAVY RIGHT NOW.
AS SOON AS THERE'S ANY ACCIDENT ON 114, LITERALLY, I CAN'T GET OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE SECOND ENTRANCE OFF ONTO KIRKWOOD, BECAUSE THERE'S THAT MUCH TRAFFIC COMING.
>> I JUST RIPPED THE BAND AID OFF RIGHT NEXT TO ONE OF THE BUSIEST HIGHWAYS IN.
>> THAT'S JUST PART OF THE BEAST.
>> I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING ON HERE THAT I HAVE FROM THEM, SO WE'LL JUST.
>> TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS.
WE'RE NOT TARGETING FAST FOOD ON THIS IF THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR FRONT FACING, HIGH END, LIKE A WHISKEY CAKE, THOSE THINGS FOR THE RESTAURANT, SET DOWN, HAVE A DRINK, HAVE AN ICE STEAK, THAT STUFF.
WE GOT A FEW STEAKHOUSES HAVE REACHED OUT TO US.
WE HAD A GROUP THAT REPRESENTS WHISKEY CAKE REACH OUT TO US.
WE'VE NOT FINALIZED ANY PLANS ON THIS YET WITH WHO THE END USERS ARE GOING TO BE.
IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE. WE'RE JUST HERE AT THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THAT.
FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, EVERYONE FROM HERE IS GOING TO LEAVE DOVE TO GO TO 114, I WOULD ASSUME, MAYBE KIRKWOOD, WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT. IT'S PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE BUSIER AREAS WITH HIGHWAY 114 RIGHT THERE.
FROM A NOISE STANDPOINT, I'VE BEEN OUT HERE ON THE SITE QUITE A BIT OVER THE LAST YEAR.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT TIME OF DAY IT IS, YOU GET 114 NOISE.
>> YEAH, NO. I THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT RESIDENT, I THINK WAS TALKING MORE ABOUT LIVE MUSIC OR THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT COULD IMPACT THE NIGHTTIME PEACE AND QUIET ENJOYMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HEARD THIS WAS A SIX STORY HOTEL THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET.
>> NO, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO STICK WITH FOUR.
>> I'M ACTUALLY A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE OVERDEVELOPED IN HOTELS.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE MAXING OUT ON OUR HOTELS.
I DO HAVE A CONCERN THAT WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK LIKE IRVING OR 635. HOPEFULLY, WE'LL NEVER GET THERE.
BUT SO I DO HAVE HESITATION ABOUT THE HOTEL.
I GET THAT IT'S YOUR RIGHT TO PUT IT IN THERE IF IT ZONED ACCORDINGLY.
I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT SOUTHLAKE LOOKING MORE AND MORE LIKE A TRACK PLACE INSTEAD OF WHAT WE ARE.
>> SURE. WELL, I THINK AS PART OF THIS, WE'D BE OPENED, IF SOMEBODY HAD DISPARATE USES, THEN WHAT WE'VE GOT PROPOSED HERE, THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT.
AGAIN, WE WANT A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT THAT ADDS TO THE FABRIC OF THE CITY.
>> IS THERE ANY WAY TO PUT SOME GREEN SPACE IN THERE OTHER THAN THE POND?
>> YEAH, WE'VE GOT THE GREEN SPACE THAT GOES AROUND THE HOTEL.
EVERYTHING THAT'S IN HERE THAT SHOWN AS GREEN IS GOING TO BE PROPOSED OPEN SPACE.
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>> MORE LIKE SO ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WAS LIKE, CAN THEY PUT IN BUTTERFLY PAVILION? [LAUGHTER]
>> I DON'T KNOW BUTTERFLY PAVILION.
>> A LITTLE MORE PARK LIKE THE RETENTION PONDS ALONG, BUT GET LOST AND NOT REALLY USED.
>> I'LL GO AHEAD AND SHOW THIS. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, AND THIS WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL WORK.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTEMPLATED WAS MAYBE DOING A RESIDENTIAL BUFFER THERE.
FROM THE METAIRIE AND KIRKWOOD, AS YOU GO TO THE HIGHER INTENSITY RETAIL USES.
THIS IS A REAR ENTRY PRODUCT HERE THAT HAS OPEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE.
WE DID TAKE AS WE SPOKE TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS IN METAIRIE ASKING THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY MIGHT LIKE TO SEE, OTHERWISE, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT.
THIS WOULD TAKE A HEAVY LIFT, I THINK AT THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE TO REALLY COME OUT FOR US ON THIS TO GET SINGLE FAMILY HERE.
>> HERE AGAIN, IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, HIGH-END CUSTOM HOME, SINGLE FAMILY STUFF.
BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, I SEE YOU ALL TAKING PICTURES.
THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
IF THERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT SOMEBODY WANTED TO SEE SOME HOUSING HERE, WE CERTAINLY BE WELCOME AND OPEN TO TALKING ABOUT THAT.
>> WAS THIS ONE OF THE PIECES OF LAND THAT THE CITY WAS TALKING ABOUT DOING THE TRANSITIONAL?
>> THIS IS IN THE TRANSITIONAL OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THERE'S ALSO EMPLOYMENT CENTER ZONING THAT IF WE WERE TO COMBINE WITH THE SHIVERS PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH AND DO A ONE MASTER PLAN ZONING CASE.
THERE ARE SOME MORE LIBERAL ZONING USES WE COULD GET THERE.
ULTIMATELY, WE'VE DECIDED, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
BUT THIS PLAN HERE COMPLIES WITH THE CURRENT ZONING.
>> I'M NOT ONE THAT'S EVER PROPONENT FOR TEENY, TINY LOTS LIKE THAT, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE USE OF A TRANSITIONAL ZONING TO HELP BUFFER THE METAIRIE.
>> FRANKLY, WE'D BE OPEN TO THAT.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE SPECIALIZE AS A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF SUBSCRIPTION TO WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED HERE.
>> CAN YOU PUT THAT BACKED UP SO I CAN SEE THE LOTS COMPARED TO THE METAIRIE STUFF? THEY'RE SMALLER. THEY'RE ABOUT HALF THE SIZE OF METAIRIE.
>> IS THIS A TOWNHOME PROJECT?
>> NO, THIS SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED PRODUCT.
REAR ENTRY, SO THERE'D BE NO GARAGES IN THE FRONT WITH THIS CONCEPT PLAN TO BE REAR ENTRY ALLEY LOADED.
IT WAS THINGS SOMEONE ASKED YOU TO DO.
>> WE JUST FELT LIKE THIS IS LESS INTENSE THAN OFFICE OR RETAIL USES THERE.
>> MY PLEASURE. YES, SIR. PLEASE STAND UP.
>> MY NAME IS MIKE KELLY. I LIVE IN KIRKWOOD HOLLOW.
THEY PROPOSED A GROCERY STORE BEFORE, IS THERE GOING TO BE A GAS STATION OR ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE GROCERY?
>> NO, I'M AWARE OF THAT ZONING CASE.
ULTIMATELY, IF WE GO BACK HERE, ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE HAVE BY RIGHT HERE IS YOU CAN DO A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE.
THAT GROCERY STORE WAS DOING 120,000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE.
I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY THAT SIZE OF IT IS WHAT KILLED THE DEAL.
I THINK IT WAS KROGER, I BELIEVE IT WAS KROGER THAT WANTED TO DO IT.
WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING THE 60,000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE THAT COMPLIES WITH THE ZONING.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO A BIG 120,000 SQUARE FOOT DEAL.
>> ARE THEY GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO DOVE RD?
>> ARE THEY GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO DOVE RD TO EXPAND IT?
>> TO EXPAND DOVE RD? I DON'T BELIEVE SO HERE.
IT NECKS DOWN RIGHT HERE AS YOU GO OFF TO THE EAST, AND I LIVE OVER HERE OFF THE DOVE RD OFF OF SILVER CREST, SO I DRIVE BY THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
IF THEY CAN EVER FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THAT U TURN UNDERNEATH THE FREEWAY DONE, SO WE CAN GET THAT STUFF BUTTONED UP.
I THINK ONCE THEY DO AWAY WITH THAT MESS, IT'LL REALLY STRAIGHTEN THIS UP.
>> ALL THESE FOUR STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS, THEY'RE ALL GOING TO EXIT ULTIMATELY OFF OF DOVE RD?
>> THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK, YES.
GOING TO KIRKWOOD TO THE FREEWAY.
>> HAVE YOU BEEN ON DOVE RD AT 3:30 IN THE AFTERNOON?
>> NO, I ACTUALLY, TO GABRIEL'S POINT, I USED KIRKWOOD TODAY WHEN I WAS COMING BACK FROM MY OFFICE IN ROANOKE BECAUSE THE FREEWAY WAS SO JACKED UP, I EXITED AND CAME KIRKWOOD.
I'M WELL AWARE OF THE ISSUES THAT DOVE RD HAS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT NEXT DOWN TO THAT TWO LANE ROAD.
THE CONSTRUCTION'S BEEN GOING ON HERE FOR GOSH, A YEAR, MORE NOW.
LIKE I SAID, I DRIVE THIS PRACTICALLY EVERY DAY.
SO I THINK ONCE THEY FINALLY GET THE GUY WIRES AND THE POWER POLE OUT OF THE WAY ON THAT U TURN THAT MAKES THAT U TURN GOING BACK TO THE NORTH, THAT'LL HELP OUT SOME OF THE CONGESTION THAT HAPPENS HERE AT THIS INTERSECTION WITH DOVE AND 114.
>> THE MAXIMUM SIZE ON THE OFFICE BUILDINGS WILL BE FOUR STORIES?
>> THAT'S BY RIGHT. WE GET FOUR STORIES ALL WE CAN GET.
WE CAN GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR TWO MORE STORIES, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING?
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>> GOOD EVENING, JOSH MILLER FROM 403 COPPERFIELD STREET.
IS PLAN B YOUR, I GUESS, PRIMARY PLAN RIGHT NOW AT THIS POINT?
>> YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOUR STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS?
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE DEMAND FOR THOSE?
>> WE HAVE INTERESTS. YES, SIR.
I DON'T KNOW IF ULTIMATELY, WE'LL GET ALL FOUR OF THEM THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEMAND IS THERE FOR FOUR FULL FOUR STORY BUILDINGS, BUT YEAH, WE HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE.
>> AT THIS POINT, IT'S SPECULATIVE BUILDING?
>> WELL, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO APPROVE UP NOW IS WHAT WE HAVE BY RIGHT WITH A LAND PLAN.
WE HAVE OTHER INTERESTS IN THE HOTEL AND THE RESTAURANT AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
THAT'S REALLY THIS EXERCISE IS TO GET A LAND PLAN APPROVED WITH THE CURRENT ZONING IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
>> HOW DOES THAT GROCERY STORE SIZE COMPARE TO SAY THE TOM THUMB UP ON WHITE'S CHAPEL? IS THAT ABOUT THE SAME SIZE?
>> I'D BE LYING IF I TOLD YOU I KNEW THE ANSWER TO THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I KNOW WHEN WE SIT DOWN WITH DENNIS KILLOUGH IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE RULES ARE YOU CAN HAVE A SUITE THAT'S THE MAX SIZE CAN BE 60,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOW, THEY DID SAY YOU COULD DO THREE OR FOUR 60,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS, SUITES IN THE SAME SHELL BUILDING, SO LONG AS IT'S SEPARATED BY A SUITE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. WE'RE PROPOSING THE MAX.
IT'S GOING TO BE 60,000 SQUARE FOOT ON THE BIGGER BLOCK THERE WITH MORE TRADITIONAL, SMALLER, 2,500 5,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL USES AGAINST THAT ANCHOR TENANT.
>> DO WE THINK WE NEED A GROCERY STORE THERE? WE'VE GOT TOM THUMB A MILE UP THE ROAD. WE'VE GOT-.
>> I KNOW WHOLE FOODS IS TALKING TO SHIVERS.
THEY'VE TALKED TO US A LITTLE BIT.
I WILL SAY THERE'S NOT A GROCERY STORE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 114 RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF SUBSCRIPTION AND INTEREST ON THAT.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT OWNS AND OPERATES THAT GROCERY STORE.
I'LL BE QUITE FRANK WITH YOU, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO IT.
>> IS IT GOING HOME THAT IT WILL SERVE ROANOKE GOLFING CLUB [INAUDIBLE]
>> SURE. I CAN APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
I WOULD SAY THAT THE MARKETPLACE DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU. FRANKLY.
I HAVE A REAL CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
EVEN NOW, WITHOUT ALL THOSE THINGS THERE, IT'S SUCH A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
WE'VE HAD SO MANY FATALITY ACCIDENTS AND SERIOUS ACCIDENTS.
I KNOW SOME OF IT IS DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE COMING WESTBOUND ON 114 AND YOU EXIT THERE FOR DOVE RD, PEOPLE HAVE TO GET OVER THREE OR FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC AND IT'S ALREADY REALLY BUSY.
I JUST DON'T SEE HOW ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE COULD MANEUVER THAT INTERSECTION, THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED RIGHT NOW.
>> YES, MA'AM. I CAN APPRECIATE TRAFFIC IS A MAJOR CONCERN HERE.
114 IS AS BUSY AS A FREEWAY AS IT GETS.
AGAIN, I THINK WHEN THEY COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION THERE, THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG DOVE RD, HOPEFULLY THAT MITIGATES SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERN, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S A MAJOR FREEWAY THAT BORDERS OUR PROPERTY BY ABOUT 2,000 FEET.
THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT OTHER THAN MITIGATE IT TO THE GREATEST DEGREE POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN AND ENCOURAGE TRAFFIC TO NOT GO UP DOVE AND KIRKWOOD, BUT TO GO TO THE FREEWAY IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
>> JUST EXITING 114 TO GET TO ALL OF THIS.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE NOT DOABLE THE WAY THE CURRENT [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT'S A LITTLE SOUTH OF HERE, BUT THE EXIT FOR DOVE RD COMES JUST OFF THE SCREEN HERE AND COMES OUT INTO THE PROPERTY THERE.
SO IT'S A DIRECT EXIT OFF OF 114 ONTO THE SERVICE ROAD TO ACCESS OUR PROPERTY.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC. WHAT ELSE TO SAY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL LANES OF TRAFFIC COMING STRAIGHT AND THEN THE PEOPLE COMING OFF.
PEOPLE JUST PLOW THROUGH THERE AND RUN THE RED LIGHT AT DOVE AND THAT FRONTAGE ROAD ALL THE TIME.
>> SO IF YOU'RE AT DOVE, YOU'VE GOT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL.
I JUST HAVE A REAL CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS I KNOW CARILLON DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR VERY LONG TIME.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT, THE RETAIL.
THEY'RE PLANNING A HOTEL THERE AS WELL.
DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER HOTEL A BLOCK AWAY?
>> WELL, WE'RE 15 MINUTES FROM ONE OF THE LARGEST AIRPORTS IN THE WORLD, MA'AM.
>> ONE OF THE LARGEST AIRPORTS IN THE WORLD. THE DEMAND IS THERE.
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>> BUT WE'VE GOT LOTS OF HOTELS ALREADY.
WE'VE GOT AT LEAST SIX OR SO IN SOUTHLAKE, AND THEN THERE'S WHAT? FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX IN TROPHY CLUB RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF HOTELS.
>> HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT OR, CERTAINLY, FOR SURE.
>> WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A VIABLE COMMERCIAL PRODUCT.
WE'VE GOT SEVERAL HOTELIERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THIS SITE.
FROM A MARKET STANDPOINT, A HOTEL IS A VERY DESIRABLE LOCATION FOR A HOTEL.
I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE OTHER COMPETITORS IN THE MARKETPLACE, BUT THE MARKET STUDIES THAT WE HAVE AND THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE MARKETPLACE IS THAT A HOTEL HERE IS VERY DESIRABLE.
>> I WOULD ALSO SAY I KNOW THIS ISN'T YOUR FINAL DESIGN NECESSARILY.
BUT I DON'T THINK SITTING ON THAT POND, HAVING A GLASS OF WINE AT NIGHT WOULD BE VERY RELAXING RIGHT ACROSS FROM 114.
IT'S EXTREMELY NOISY, AS YOU MENTIONED.
>> THAT DOESN'T SEEM VERY APPEALING TO ME.
>> WE'LL TRY TO MITIGATE THAT WITH TREES AND LANDSCAPING AND OTHERWISE, BUT NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT FOR BETTER OR WORSE.
I WAS THE PERSON WHO WAS AN EXECUTIVE AT SABER WHEN WE BROUGHT SABER TO SOUTHLAKE.
AT THE TIME, ALL OF THIS PROPERTY WAS ZONED CORPORATE CAMPUS.
I'VE JUST BEEN REALLY DISAPPOINTED AT HOW IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED SINCE THEN.
>> THE CORPORATE CAMPUS IS STILL ALLOWED UNDER THE USE.
IF WE HAD SOMEBODY THAT WANTED TO COME TO A CORPORATE CAMPUS HERE, WE CERTAINLY WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT, BUT I CAN APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS.
>> HEY, BRIAN. NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> THE PERCENTAGE OF TREE COVERAGE, LIKE, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE THE CALCULATION AS TO HOW MUCH OF THE TREE COVERAGE HAS TO BE REMOVED OR HOW MUCH WILL BE REMAINING?
WE HAVE A TREE STUDY, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT CALCULATION YET.
BASED ON WHAT WE'VE LEARNED AND GARNERED AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS ON THIS PROPERTY FROM THE CITY STAFF IS, THIS IS UNDER THE OLD TREE ORDINANCE.
AGAIN, EVERYTHING IN A PAD SITE AND PARKING IS EXEMPT.
>> ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, THE LAST TIME I WAS IN THIS ROOM, KROGER WAS TRYING TO BUILD HERE, AND THAT WAS THE SAME THING THEY HAD SAID ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO AGO.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOMETHING WITH TREES, WHY THAT GOT KNOCKED DOWN.
I REALIZE THAT THIS HAS TO BE DEVELOPED.
I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS AREA PRETTY WELL.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY BIG FACTOR TO AT LEAST TO THINK ABOUT AND TRY TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME MITIGATION ON.
ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS IS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SELF DRIVING CARS.
THIS IS GOING TO BE JUST A GLASS OVER AREA AND IT MISSES AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A LOT MORE LIKE WITH THE RESTAURANTS THAT YOU HAVE THERE.
HOTEL IS NOT THE GREATEST THING IN THE WORLD.
IT'S REASONABLE. BUT IT DEPENDS ON HOW QUICKLY ALL THIS STUFF GOES AND BUYS.
IF IT JUST BECOMES A PARKING LOT, IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT, I THINK FOR YOU TO HAVE SUCCESS ON THAT BECAUSE EVERYONE HERE CAN BE PRETTY CRAFTY ONCE THEY GET SPUN UP.
PROBABLY IS A LITTLE BIT OF A WIN-WIN IF THERE'S SOME WAYS TO LIKE, HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE GREEN EXCEPT FOR THAT STUFF THAT JUST GETS BROWN BETWEEN THE PART, THE LITTLE STRIPS OF GREEN THAT JUST BECOME BROWN AND GET [OVERLAPPING] MYSELF.
>> YEAH, PART OF MOVING MOVING THOSE UP TO THE SERVICE ROAD THERE WAS TO RETAIN SOME OF THOSE TREES THAT ARE ALONG DOVE RD THERE.
I WILL SAY I GREW UP LIKE I SAID BEFORE IN THE LAST ONE.
I GREW UP IN THE NURSERY BUSINESS.
I'VE PLANTED TREES ALL OVER THE CITY FOR 20, 30 YEARS NOW.
I'LL GO OUTSIDE AND HUG A TREE RIGHT NOW.
I'M A TREE HUGER AS BIG AS THEY ARE.
WE WILL REQUIRE LANDSCAPING, HIGH END LANDSCAPING, HIGH END TREES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
ULTIMATELY, PEOPLE FIRST, TREE SECOND.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT MAYBE A POPULAR THING TO SAY, BUT WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO KEEP.
>> THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF WAYS TO SKIN THE CAT, BUT A MASSIVE PARKING LOT IS NOT THE IDEA, AND I KNOW THAT SURE SOME NEED FOR THAT.
>> WELL, IF WE GET AWAY WITH LESS PARKING, WE DO IT.
THIS COMPLIES WITH THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY FROM A PARKING STANDPOINT FOR THE USES.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S LIKE THAT. WE DO LESS PARKING IF WE GET AWAY WITH IT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
>> I HAVE ONE COMMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED ONLINE.
SHE SAYS, WE LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY OF KIRKWOOD HOLLOW.
WE ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF A HOTEL OR GROCERY STORE IN THIS LOCATION.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF HOTELS ALREADY, AS WELL AS GROCERY STORES IN THE AREA.
ALSO, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL FOR
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A NEW DAKOTA'S RESTAURANT AND ENTERTAINMENT CENTER AT THE KIRKWOOD AND 114 INTERSECTION ALSO PROPOSED.THERE'S ALSO CARILLON PARK THAT IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
IT SEEMS OUR AREA COULD GET VERY DENSE WITH RETAIL, HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, AND WE ASKED THAT THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL KEEP THIS IN MIND WHEN ENTERTAINING ALL THESE PROPOSALS.
I WOULD RATHER SEE ONE OF OUR OLDER SHOPPING CENTERS ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD REMODELED AND UPDATED FIRST TEARING DOWN TREES IN GREEN SPACE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
I APPRECIATE IT. WE'RE HERE IF YOU ANY QUESTIONS OFFLINE.
WE APPRECIATE ALL FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.
REMEMBER SPIN REPRESENTS ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
A SPIN MEETING REPORT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE.
WE WILL INCLUDE THE SUBMITTED SPIN QUESTION AND/OR COMMENT FORMS IN THEIR MEETING REPORTS.
THESE REPORTS ARE GENERAL OBSERVATIONS OF THE FORM.
INTERESTED PARTIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO FOLLOW THE CASE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE APPROXIMATELY 24 HOURS AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.