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          GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING. 
          WELCOME TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CITY HALL. MY NAME IS DAN KUBIAK. 
          I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING
OUR APRIL 3RD MEETING. 
          THE AGENDAS ARE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM. SOUNDS LIKE I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE FOUND THEM. 
          I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE FOUND COMMENT CARDS AS WELL,
SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S BEEN HELPFUL. 
          I WAS JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH REALLY QUICKLY FOR SOME OF YOU WHO MAYBE THIS IS YOUR FIRST
TIME OR YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN A WHILE. 
          [4. Chairman Comments.]
JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THESE MEETINGS WORK. 
          FOR EACH ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF,
AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL DO A SLIDE PRESENTATION. WE'LL ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS. 
          YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT UP ON THE BIG SCREEN. 
          AND THEN WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD. AND THEY MAY HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION. 
          AND THEN WE'LL ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. 
          AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM SESSION. AND WHAT THE WAY THAT WILL WORK IS ONE AT A
TIME. 
          AND I'VE GOT COMMENT CARDS. AND IF YOU DIDN'T FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD,
THAT'S FINE. YOU CAN STILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          COME FORWARD ONE BY ONE TO THE PODIUM. AND JUST ADDRESS ANY REMARKS,
COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE APPLICATION. 
          WE HAVE JUST IN CONSIDERATION, THE OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND OTHER SPEAKERS. 
          WE'VE GOT A THREE MINUTE LIMIT ON THAT, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IS THERE'S A LITTLE LIGHT UP
THERE THAT WILL BE GREEN FOR THE FIRST TWO MINUTES, AND THEN THE THIRD MINUTE IT WILL BE YELLOW. AND WHENEVER IT'S DONE,
IT STARTS FLASHING IN RED. 
          SO JUST PLEASE ASK YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THAT. 
          USUALLY YOU CAN VOICE PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW,
MOST OF YOUR THOUGHTS WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME. 
          AND AGAIN, BY NAME, WE'RE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. I KNOW THERE'S
PROBABLY A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO SAY, AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO SAY THEM, BUT I THINK COMMENTS THAT RELATE TO THOSE TOPICS ARE WHAT WE'RE WE HAVE THE PURVIEW TO WEIGH IN ON OR
NOT. 
          WE'D ASK THAT YOU ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS TO US,
NOT THE GALLERY OR THE APPLICANTS. 
          AND WE'LL TRY TO PROCESS THEM AND MAKE SURE USUALLY WHAT WE'LL DO IS ONCE WE CLOSE THE
PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE THOUGHTS WITH CITY STAFF OR MAYBE WITH
THE APPLICANT. 
          AND THEN EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS IT AND LIKELY COME UP WITH A
RECOMMENDATION TO PASS ALONG TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND I CAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT,
WE CAN KIND OF GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT TIMING OR WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN, JUST DEPENDING ON HOW IT GOES. SO HOPEFULLY ALL OF THAT'S HELPFUL TO EVERYONE. 
          AND I'LL MAYBE RESTATE SOME OF THAT AS WE GET INTO IT A LITTLE MORE. BUT WITH THAT,
I THINK THAT WRAPS UP THE CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS. 
          ITEM FOUR. BUT I'LL GO BOUNCE BACK TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS. 
          [3. Administrative Comments.]
THREE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THERE, WE NEED TO CATCH UP ON. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I DID WANT TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT YOUR NEXT MEETING ON APRIL
17TH. 
          WE WILL NEED TO CONVENE AT 530 AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO REVIEW
OUR USE OF THE IMPACT FEES AND SOME OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. WE'LL HAVE OPEN MEETING AND THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 5:30 P.M. 
          AND FOLLOWING THAT WOULD GO TO YOUR WORK SESSION FOR YOUR REGULAR P&Z AND OR SIGN BOARD
MEETING. 
          OKAY. 5:30 P.M. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? DENNIS? NO. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          WITH THAT. ONE OTHER QUICK ITEM I WAS GOING TO MENTION,
GIVEN I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THIS EVENING TO HEAR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA RELATED TO BOB JONES ROAD. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT ONE UP TO
THE VERY FRONT OF THE AGENDA. AS SOON AS WE GET THROUGH THE MINUTES HERE IN A SECOND. 
          SO WE'LL ACTUALLY START WITH THAT ONE FIRST. GO TO ITEM EIGHT. 
          THEN WE'LL JUST KEEP GOING KIND OF IN ORDER. ITEM NINE. 
          THEN WE'LL POP BACK TO ITEMS SIX AND SEVEN, WHICH I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY HEARD ONCE AT OUR
LAST MEETING. 
          SO JUST A QUICK HEADS UP ON THE AGENDA, JUST TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO EVERYBODY WHO'S
HERE TONIGHT. 
          WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER FIVE,
CONSIDERATION TO APPROVE OUR MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD ON MARCH 6TH. 
          [5. Consider: Approval of the minutes for the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on March 6, 2025. ]
WE'VE ALL BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THOSE MEETINGS MINUTES AHEAD OF TIME. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS EDITS ON THOSE? BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A POTENTIAL MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. 
          AND PASSES WITH FOUR IN SUPPORT AND TWO ABSTAINING. 
          SO NOW WITH THAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LAUNCH INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. 
          [8. Consider: ZA25-0014, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for 500 E. Bob Jones Rd., on property described as Lot 1, William Phillips No. 1017 Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Denton County, Texas. Current Zoning: “AG” Agricultural District. Requested Zoning: “SF-1A” Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #1. PUBLIC HEARING ]
AND AGAIN, AS I NOTED EARLIER, LET'S GO AHEAD AND SKIP UP TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT THIS
EVENING. 
          AND HEAR THE STAFF PRESENTATION ON THAT WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF ZONING CHANGE AND
CONCEPT PLAN FOR 500 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. SO. 
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TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING OVER A ZONING CHANGE COMPLIANCE PLAN FOR BOB JONES AS THE
CHAIRMAN JUST SAID. 
          SO LOOKING AT SEVEN RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON APPROXIMATELY 8.4 ACRES. 
          THE AERIAL VIEW RIGHT HERE FROM ABOVE, YOU CAN SEE GRAPEVINE LAKE RIGHT UP THERE TO THE
NORTHEAST. 
          FUTURE LAND USE. WE HAVE DESIGNATED FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. 
          CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURE. SO HERE IS AN IMAGE OF THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ZOOMED IN WITH OUR SITE DATA SUMMARY CHART. 
          AND JUST TO NOTE AS WELL, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A REDUCTION IN THE SIDE SETBACKS FOR
LOTS OF ONE AND SEVEN ALONG THE NEW STREET THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED THERE. 
          THE FRONTS OF THOSE LOTS WILL BE FACING EAST BOB JONES. 
          SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A SIDE SETBACK ON THAT. 
          WE HAVE A TREE CONSERVATION ANALYSIS FOR YOU TO REVIEW AS WELL. 
          STREET VIEW FROM EAST. BOB JONES FACING NORTH. 
          OH, I'VE HIT THE WRONG BUTTON. LOOKING EAST AND WEST FROM THAT SAME LOCATION. 
          A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT OF THE PROPERTY. SO WE'VE RECEIVED AS OF ABOUT 4:00 PM TODAY,
TEN RESPONSES FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, SIX OF WHOM WERE WITHIN OR OWNED PROPERTY WITHIN 200FT. 
          YOU COULD SEE WHERE THEY'RE NOTED ABOVE. THERE WERE A COUPLE OTHER OPPOSITION LETTERS THAT
CAME IN FROM LOCATIONS THAT WERE JUST OUTSIDE OF THIS MAP. 
          I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT AS WELL, AND HAPPY TO GO OVER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          AND IF I CAN'T ANSWER THEM, JENNY OR DENNIS COULD PROBABLY HELP ME OUT. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I GUESS QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION ON THIS. 
          I GUESS I'M ASSUMING YOU KNOW, DENNIS. I GUESS THE LAND USE PLAN. 
          IT'S BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT ON THIS TRACK SINCE ANNEXATION. 
          OR HOW LONG? I WOULD SAY PROBABLY SINCE MID LATE 80S. 
          TIME FRAME. THE LAND USE IN THIS AREA HAS BEEN LOW DENSITY. 
          OKAY. DO YOU MIND CALLING THAT SLIDE BACK UP AGAIN REAL QUICK? OKAY. NO. THAT'S HELPFUL. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE CALL THE APPLICANT UP? GOOD. OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? THANK YOU. ONE OTHER THING FOR EVERYBODY. I GUESS I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT AS WELL. 
          JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          JUST FOR RECORD KEEPING PURPOSES HERE. YES, SIR. 
          JODY BOYD, 404 NORTH OAK STREET, ROANOKE, TEXAS. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT, I APPRECIATE IT. LET ME PULL UP OUR ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AS I SAID, JODY BOYD,
WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. 
          WE'RE PLEASED TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. 
          WE'VE DONE SEVERAL IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE OVER THE YEARS. 
          THIS SITE, AS WE KIND OF CONTEMPLATED WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THIS SITE. 
          WE LOOKED AROUND TO THE BROADER LAKE GRAPEVINE AREA TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THE
LAKE. 
          WE LOOKED AT FLOWER MOUND. GRAPEVINE. WE SAW THE RESIDENTIAL TOWERS THAT ARE UP AGAINST
THE IN LAKESIDE, UP AGAINST THE CORPS OF ENGINEER PROPERTY THERE. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WE FELT LIKE THAT PROBABLY WAS NOT A VIABLE CONCEPT FOR HERE. 
          CERTAINLY, BECAUSE THERE'S NO SEWER AND OTHERWISE. 
          SO THEN WE LOOKED A LITTLE CLOSER INTO WHAT MIGHT BE GOING ON IN THE AREA. 
          WE LOOK BACK AND WE SAW THAT IN THE PAST. THEY BROUGHT TO COURT OR COMMITTEE A ZONING CASE
THAT WAS LOCATED RIGHT HERE ON WEST BOB JONES AND WHITES CHAPEL. THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME RECOMMENDED HALF ACRE LOTS
FOR THAT PROJECT. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT THAT AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE RESPONSES FROM THE NEIGHBORS OVER THE
COURSE OF THAT PROJECT. 
          ALL THE NEIGHBORS CAME OUT AGAINST HALF ACRE LOTS. 
          THEY'RE REQUESTING ONE ACRE LOTS. SO WE THOUGHT,
OKAY, WHAT'S THE BEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY AND HOW CAN WE COMPLY WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN? AS YOU STAFF STATED, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR THIS AREA HAS BEEN ONE ACRE LOTS,
LOW DENSITY SINCE THE 80S. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE INTEND TO DO IS COMPLY WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CALLS FOR THAT. 
          HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BETTER GRAPHIC. SO ALL OF THE DARK YELLOW ON THIS GRAPHIC ARE
ACTUALLY ONE ACRE LOTS. 
          SO AS WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS AT THE MEETING,
THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS AREA. 
          AND WE CERTAINLY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE ONE ACRE LOTS FOR THE MOST PART. 
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WE THINK ONE ACRE LOTS COMPLY WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. 
          SO THAT'S THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD IN ORDER TO COMPLY. 
          HERE'S OUR CONCEPT PLAN. THERE IS A BEAUTIFUL EXISTING HOME ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW THAT
FACES BOB JONES. 
          WE HAVE THAT DESIGNATED AS LOT ONE ON THIS LAND PLAN. 
          WE FULL WELL INTEND TO KEEP THAT PROPERTY. AS I SAID,
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME. 
          WELL BUILT. BUILT IN 2021, I BELIEVE. IT FACES BOB JONES ROAD,
AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE IT FACE BOB JONES. 
          WE LAID OUT THE LOT SO THAT IT COULD STAY IN ITS OWN LOT. 
          IT'S ABOUT AN ACRE AND A QUARTER LOT. LOT NUMBER TWO TO THE LEFT WILL ALSO FACE BOB JONES
AND HAVE A DRIVEWAY COME OUT UNDER BOB JONES ROAD. 
          IT IS AS WELL AS ABOUT AN ACRE AND A QUARTER LOT,
IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE. 
          THOSE LOTS ARE A LITTLE WIDER THAN OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH. 
          WE DID THAT ON PURPOSE. IT FIT LIKE THAT WITH THE ROAD THAT WE HAD TO PUT IN THERE TO
ACCESS THE REST OF THE SITE. 
          BUT WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS VERY MUCH WITHIN THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE SURROUNDING
NEIGHBORS. 
          AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THE STREET, THE LOTS ON THE LEFT WILL BE JUST A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN
THE LOTS ON THE RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE A SLIGHTLY BIGGER TO THE RIGHT, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT ROAD,
BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT DEEPER. 
          LOT NUMBER SEVEN, ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS WAS CONCERNED ABOUT A SIDE OF A HOUSE FACING LOT
NUMBER SEVEN. 
          FOR THE RECORD, WE WILL REQUIRE, IF WE GET APPROVAL FROM YOU ALL IN THE CITY COUNCIL,
THAT THAT LOT NUMBER SEVEN WILL FACE BOB JONES ROAD. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT FACE THE STREET THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD. 
          NOW, I MAY HAVE MISSPOKE AT THE SPIN MEETING TO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A DRIVEWAY ON LOT SEVEN TO BOB JONES ROAD. 
          WE'LL MAKE THAT DRIVEWAY GO ON TO THE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED STREET. 
          BUT THE HOUSE ITSELF WILL FACE BOB JONES. SO JUST LIKE OUR NEIGHBORS WITH THE SAME
DISTANCE ALONG BOB JONES, WE'LL HAVE THREE HOUSES THAT FACE BOB JONES AS YOU GO FROM WEST TO EAST. 
          HERE'S OUR CONCEPT PLAN. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE NEIGHBORS CAME,
I THINK SPECIFICALLY MR. JONES THERE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT WAS THE FENCING. 
          WE HAVE FULL WELL INTEND TO RETAIN ALL OF THE FENCING THAT EXISTS TODAY. 
          THAT PIPE AND CABLE FENCE THAT'S DESIGNATED AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF OUR SITE AS GREEN WILL
REMAIN. 
          WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT FENCING WHATSOEVER. 
          ALSO, THE PURPLE ALONG BOB JONES IS A RAIL FENCE. 
          WE INTEND TO KEEP THAT RAIL FENCE THERE. OF COURSE,
THERE'LL BE A BREAK FOR THE DRIVEWAY ON LOT NUMBER TWO AND FOR THE ROAD, BUT WE'LL MAINTAIN THAT ESTHETIC AS IT AS IT IS TODAY. 
          WE'LL BE ADDING SOME COLUMNS, OF COURSE, TO DELINEATE THE LOT LINES AND TO BREAK WHERE THE
DRIVEWAYS GO. 
          BUT WE CERTAINLY INTEND TO KEEP THE FENCING AS IT IS TODAY,
OR MIRROR THAT AS WE BUILD NEW FENCING FOR THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION. 
          NOW, ONE OF THE OTHER MAJOR CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND FRANKLY,
IN ANY SUBDIVISION THAT WE DO, WE'VE DONE 30 PLUS SUBDIVISIONS IN NORTH AND NORTHEAST TARRANT COUNTY. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS A TOPOGRAPHICAL SURVEY THAT WE HAD OUR ENGINEERING FIRM
PRODUCE FOR US. 
          THE ARROWS SHOW THE FLOW OF THE WATER AS IT EXISTS TODAY. 
          AND JUST SIMPLY GOING OUT THERE AND DRIVING THE SITE AS YOU STAND ON BOB JONES ROAD. 
          THE BULK OF THIS SITE IS BELOW BOB JONES ROAD. 
          THERE WILL BE NO DRAINAGE, NO WATER FLOWING FROM OUR SITE PRECONSTRUCTION OR
POST-CONSTRUCTION THAT GOES ACROSS BOB JONES AND IMPACTS OUR NEIGHBORS EITHER TO THE WEST OR TO THE SOUTH. ALL THAT WATER IS GOING TO FLOW TO THE EAST OR TO THE NORTHEAST,
ONTO YOUR PROPERTY, INTO THE BIGGEST DETENTION POND THAT THERE IS,
LAKE GRAPEVINE. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE UNIQUE ASPECTS OF THIS SITE IS THE CORPS OF ENGINEER PROPERTY THAT
SURROUNDS THE SITE. 
          WE FELT LIKE THAT GIVES OUR POTENTIAL OWNERS,
HOMEOWNERS IN THE SITE, AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR OPEN SPACE. 
          THERE'S TRAILS, THERE'S HORSE TRAILS. YOU CAN WALK OUT THERE. 
          THERE'S A TRAILHEAD JUST DOWN THE OFF TO THE EAST THERE AT THE CORNER OF BOB JONES ROAD. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE DESIRABLE DESIRABILITY OF THIS SITE FOR US IS THAT IT'S
SURROUNDED BY CORPS PROPERTY. 
          BEAUTIFUL TREES, BEAUTIFUL WILDLIFE. YOU KNOW,
ANOTHER REASON WE LEFT THE FENCES LIKE THEY ARE WAS A CONCERN. 
          WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS AT THE SPIN MEETING WAS THE WILDLIFE. 
          WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PUTTING UP SIX EIGHT FOOT STONE FENCE ALL ACROSS THE FRONT
THERE. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE BLOCKING OFF THE. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE WILDLIFE TO TRANSITION FROM
THE CORE PROPERTY ACROSS OUR PROPERTY. 
          IN FACT, I'LL COMMIT THAT. WE'LL REQUIRE THE HOMEOWNERS WHEN THEY FINISH THEIR HOMES TO. 
          PLANT TREES THAT WILL PRODUCE ACORNS THAT DEER CAN FORAGE ON. 
          WE LOVE THE WILDLIFE. WE LOVE THE AREA. WE FEEL LIKE THAT ADDS AND MAINTAINS THE RURAL
FEEL OF NORTH SOUTHLAKE. 
          YOU'LL DO SOMETHING LIKE WHITE OAKS AND CHESTNUT AND MULBERRY AND THAT SORT OF THING IN
ORDER TO ENCOURAGE THE WILDLIFE ON THE SITE. 
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SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR US TO DRAIN WATER ONTO OUR NEIGHBORS
FROM THIS SITE. 
          IT SIMPLY FALLS AWAY FROM THE ROAD. SO FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT,
YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE BROUGHT A MILLION YARDS OF FILL OUT HERE. 
          WE COULD MAKE IT GO THE OTHER DIRECTION, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT OUR INTENTION. 
          HERE IS POST-CONSTRUCTION FLOW, AS YOU SEE ON THE ON THE SOUTH. 
          WATER WILL FLOW TO THE NORTH ALONG THE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED STREETS. 
          STREET. IT WILL COME SOUTH FROM THE TOP CUL-DE-SAC,
WILL GRADE THE ROAD SO THAT IT DOES THAT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A FLUME GO OFF TO THE RIGHT. 
          THAT DRAINS WATER ONTO THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS PROPERTY AND THEN AGAIN ONTO LAKE GRAPEVINE. 
          SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HEARD IN THE SPIN MEETING WAS THE ROADS. 
          I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A WARRANTED CONCERN AS I HAVE DRIVEN OUT HERE
DOZENS AND DOZENS OF TIMES AS WE AS WE'VE CONSIDERED THIS PROJECT. 
          I FAILED TO SEE ALL THE POTHOLES AND THE PROBLEMS ON THE ROAD. 
          I THINK THE CITY AND CITY STAFF HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB MAINTAINING THE ROADS THERE. 
          OBVIOUSLY, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN WITH THE WHITES CHAPEL. 
          NO. NO PROBLEM. OBVIOUSLY, THERE WERE SOME HICCUPS WITH THE BRIDGE THERE AT WHITES CHAPEL
AS IT KIND OF THAT DRAINAGE WAS DONE. 
          UNDERSTANDABLE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDING SIX HOMES TO THIS AREA,
I FEEL, AND IN THE PAST THIS HAS PROVEN OUT THE IMPACT WILL BE NEGLIGIBLE. FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, I THINK MANY OF YOU MAYBE HAVE BEEN,
WERE ON THE P&Z 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO WHEN WE BROUGHT THE CONSERVATION BEFORE THE CITY. 
          THE SAME CONCERNS WERE VOICED THEN ABOUT TRAFFIC AND TREES AND WILDLIFE AND OTHERWISE
THOSE THINGS NEVER CAME TO FRUITION. 
          SIMPLY JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN. IN FACT, WE INVITE ALL OF YOU TO DRIVE THAT CALL IT HIDDEN
TRAILS NOW, BUT BE HAPPY FOR YOU TO DRIVE THAT AND SEE HOW THAT BLENDED INTO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD
THAT WAS THERE. 
          REACHED OUT TO NEIGHBORS IN THAT SUBDIVISION. 
          AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, JODY? YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          ALL YOU DID WAS INCREASE OUR PROPERTY VALUES. WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          WE APPRECIATE THE WAY THAT YOU DID YOUR WORK THERE. 
          SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. 
          WE FEEL LIKE THIS WILL ADD TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AS WELL AS OUR NEIGHBORS AND THE
NEIGHBORHOOD THERE. 
          CERTAINLY, WE UNDERSTAND, HAVING DONE THIS DOZENS AND DOZENS OF TIMES,
WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'LL CERTAINLY, TO ANY DEGREE POSSIBLE,
WE CAN MAKE THIS PROCESS EASIER FOR THE NEIGHBORS. 
          WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. BUT WE DO FEEL LIKE,
AGAIN, THIS COMPLIES WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THIS IS THIS WILL ALL BE SEPTIC. 
          IN FACT, WE SUBMITTED TODAY TO THE CITY. WE HAD A SANITARY SEWER COMPANY COME OUT AND TAKE
SOIL SAMPLES AND DELINEATE WHETHER OR NOT THAT SEPTIC SYSTEMS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE ON THIS SITE WITH THE SOILS THAT EXIST. 
          CERTAINLY, AS WITH ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS, SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE NO PROBLEM HERE. 
          WE HIRE PROFESSIONALS TO PROVE THAT STUFF UP,
SO WE HAVE THAT. 
          MAYBE IT'S PART OF YOUR PACKET. WE JUST GOT IT TO THEM TODAY,
SO MAYBE IT'S NOT THERE OR NOT. BUT SO THIS IS PERFECTLY COMPATIBLE WITH SANITARY WITH SEPTIC SYSTEMS. THERE'LL BE AEROBIC SYSTEMS THAT COMPLY WITH THE HIGH STANDARDS OF THE
CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. 
          THIS WILL BE CITY WATER THAT COMES THROUGH HERE. 
          I BELIEVE THE CITY WATER LINE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BOB JONES. 
          SO THERE AGAIN, WE MAY NOT EVEN IMPACT BOB JONES WHEN WE TIE INTO THE WATER LINE HERE. 
          SO WE REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS COMPLIES WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. 
          WE FEEL LIKE THIS WILL BE A VALUABLE ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. 
          THESE HOMES, JUST FROM A FROM A VALUATION STANDPOINT,
WE ANTICIPATE ALL THE HOMES IN THIS SUBDIVISION BEING NORTH OF $3 MILLION. 
          SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING THREE AND A HALF TO $5 MILLION HOMES HERE. 
          CERTAINLY, ADD TO THE VALUE AND THE TEXTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE AS YOU KIND OF COME
INTO BOB JONES AND UP WHITECHAPEL. 
          SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. I KNOW THIS IS A VOLUNTARY POSITION. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE DIRECTLY ABOUT OUR PROPOSAL AND STAND BY FOR,
I'M SURE, COMMENTS WE HAVE FROM OUR NEIGHBORS. YEP. NO. 
          THANK YOU. I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS. I KNOW SOME OTHERS PROBABLY DO AS WELL. 
          MAYBE. LET'S JUST START WITH THE PERIMETER. YOU MENTIONED FENCING. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL OBVIOUSLY DISCUSS,
BUT I THINK PART OF CONSIDERATION HERE IS WE WOULD INCLUDE IN THE ZONING, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT RAIL FENCE ONLY ALONG BOB JONES. 
          WE'D KIND OF SCREW THAT DOWN. SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE DONE WITH HOMES THAT ARE
ALONG, YOU KNOW, STREETS LIKE THIS, WHETHER IT'S DOVE OR CARROLL,
HAS INCLUDE YOU KNOW, TRY TO AND THIS WILL BE MORE IN THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, BUT LONGER DRIVEWAYS TO KIND OF GET DELIVERY TRUCKS AND CARS KIND OF OFF THE STREET
POTENTIALLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CIRCULAR DRIVES ONCE YOU'RE INSIDE THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, SCREWING DOWN THE TYPE OF FENCING MATERIAL THAT'S USED BECAUSE LIKE YOU
SAID, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO STONE WALLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D PROBABLY LOOK AT. 
          AND STAFF CAN KIND OF GIVE YOU GUIDANCE ON THAT. BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DONE CONSISTENT
WITH OTHER RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT FACE STREETS LIKE THIS. 
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YES, SIR. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M IMAGINE THAT THOSE DRIVEWAYS THAT COME OFF THE COURSE OF THE
EXISTING DRIVEWAY HAS A GATE. 
          NOW, LOT NUMBER TWO WILL HAVE A DRIVEWAY GATE. 
          I'M SURE WILL CAN DICTATE TERMS THROUGH THE HOA,
THAT THOSE GATES ARE FAR ENOUGH OFF OF BOB JONES THAT THEY COULD LOAD A CAR THAT COMES IN THERE SO IT DOESN'T IMPEDE TRAFFIC. YOU KNOW,
THAT'S PART OF IT, IS WE BACK THOSE GATES UP JUST TO GIVE STACKING DEPTH THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW TRUCKS OR ANYTHING. YEAH. WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE DOZENS OF TIMES. I MEAN,
THERE'S AMAZON TRUCKS CONSISTENTLY OUT THERE. SO CERTAINLY, WE WANT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. 
          YEAH. OKAY. A FEW OTHER ITEMS. OH, SIDEWALKS. 
          OBVIOUSLY. I MEAN, I KNOW TECHNICALLY, USUALLY THE CITY CALLS FOR IT ON ALL PROPERTIES,
BUT THESE ARE KIND OF UNIQUE GIVEN THE LOCATION. 
          I KNOW THIS IS WHAT WE WENT THROUGH IN BERNIE LANE,
SO I'M ASSUMING THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ENVISIONED AS OF NOW. 
          AND I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NEIGHBORS' PREFERENCE AS WELL. 
          BUT WE'LL OBVIOUSLY HEAR ABOUT THAT. BUT I GUESS I WOULD SAY WHAT'S HERE,
THEIR PREFERENCE AND KIND OF GO THAT, THAT ROUTE. YEAH. NO I AGREE. IF THE CITY REQUIRES SIDEWALKS,
WE'LL PUT THEM IF THE NEIGHBORS, THE CITY AGREES. WE DON'T WANT SIDEWALKS. THIS IS KIND OF A SPECIAL AREA OF TOWN,
AND IT'S KIND OF ATYPICAL RATHER, VERSUS SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS OF TOWN WHERE WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE IT WITHIN IT. SO AND
THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES IN THE BERNIE PROJECT THAT WE DID. THE NEIGHBORS CAME AND SAID, HEY, WE DON'T WANT SIDEWALKS, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH THAT IF THAT'S THE CASE,
DESCRIBE THE PERIMETER OR THE WESTERN PERIMETER. 
          I GUESS, JUST WHAT WILL THE FENCING LOOK LIKE THERE? WILL THERE BE RETAINING WALLS OR CAN YOU JUST KIND OF TALK THROUGH THAT? THERE'S AN
EXISTING RETAINING WALL THAT KIND OF RUNS ALONG LOT TWO AS IT GOES TO THE NORTH THERE. 
          SO OUR NEIGHBOR THERE TO THE WEST IS QUITE ELEVATED ABOVE OUR SITE. 
          LET ME GO TO THE SO YOU CAN SEE THE TOPOGRAPHICAL LINES THAT ARE REALLY TIGHT RIGHT THERE. 
          YOU KNOW THAT OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT THERE IS,
IS, I WOULD SAY, 10 OR 15FT ABOVE THE ELEVATION OF THIS SITE. 
          THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL IS A SMALL RETAINING WALL THAT KIND OF JUST CATCHES THAT WATER
THAT COMES FROM OUR NEIGHBOR ONTO OUR SITE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'RE RECEIVING THEIR WATER. 
          WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE'LL MOVE THAT WALL TO THE WEST SLIGHTLY. 
          WE LIKE TO BE CREATIVE. THESE ARE GOING TO BE CUSTOM HOMES,
SO THERE POTENTIALLY WILL BE ANOTHER WALL THERE. 
          CERTAINLY WE WILL STAY OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE FAR ENOUGH TO NOT IMPACT ANY KIND OF SLUFF
OFF OR DRAINAGE THAT COMES ONTO OUR WALL THERE. 
          THAT'S AN ENGINEERING QUESTION. AND WE HIRE PROFESSIONALS. WE'LL HAVE A PROFESSIONAL
ENGINEER THAT DESIGNS THAT FOR US. HOW TALL THAT WALL WILL BE OR HOW LONG ALONG THAT WESTERN PROPERTY LINE WILL GO. I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW FOR YOU TODAY. 
          I DO ANTICIPATE THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF WALL THAT KIND OF GOES TO THE WEST THERE,
BUT CERTAINLY WE'LL STAY FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE THAT DOESN'T NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR NEIGHBOR'S LAND. OKAY. NO, AND I APPRECIATED THE COMMENTS ON THE DRAINAGE AS
WELL. 
          I MEAN, I THINK AGAIN, WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF THE CORRESPONDENCE THIS WEEK,
LAST WEEK OR TWO, AND WE KIND OF DIGESTED THAT. I THINK A NUMBER OF US HAVE WATCHED THE SPIN MEETING AS
WELL. 
          SO WE WERE HEARING SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY WE'LL
HAVE STAFF CONFIRM YOUR, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE NOTING ON THIS PRESENTATION JUST TO CONFIRM THAT THEY THEIR THEIR
BELIEF IS THE SAME AS YOURS IN TERMS OF HOW THE WATER WILL FLOW. 
          YES, SIR. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH. 
          I WAS ALWAYS WANTED TO KNOW IF IF YOU WERE PLANNING ON SOME SORT OF AN ENTRY STRUCTURE OR. 
          YES, SIR. WE'LL DELINEATE THE ENTRANCE AS IT COMES OFF OF BOB JONES. 
          OF COURSE, THE FENCE WILL STAY THE SAME AS I STATED BEFORE,
BUT WE'LL LANDSCAPE THAT. 
          DEFINITELY. YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PRESENCE AND ENTRANCE AS YOU COME TO THE
SUBDIVISION? SO WE'LL DESIGN THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE MANY SUBDIVISIONS IN THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE THAT HAVE ENTRY FEATURES. 
          THE, THE GOING NAME RIGHT NOW FOR THIS IS CALLED THE HIDEAWAY. 
          SO WHETHER THAT ENDS UP BEING THE ACTUAL NAME OR NOT,
THAT'S KIND OF OUR WORKING TITLE, SO TO SPEAK. 
          BUT WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING THAT DELINEATES THAT,
HEY, YOU'RE ENTERING A, YOU KNOW, A SUBDIVISION AND LANDSCAPE THAT AND, AND IRRIGATE IT AND AND LIGHT IT ACCORDINGLY. 
          OKAY. NOW, ONE THING. I'M SORRY YOU HAD A QUESTION,
MA'AM. 
          I'M SORRY. YEAH, WELL, ONE THING THAT WE DID IN THE PAST ON OUR CONSERVATION,
YOU KNOW, THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF STREET LIGHTS OUT THERE, AND THEY'RE NOT STREET LIGHTS OUT HERE. AS WELL. 
          YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IF THE IF THE NEIGHBORS DECIDED,
HEY, WE DON'T WANT STREET LIGHTS, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE RURAL FEEL OF THIS AREA, THEN WE WOULDN'T INSIST ON PUTTING STREET LIGHTS. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKE TO DO IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS SIDEWALKS. YEAH. YES. 
          GET THEIR FEEDBACK. AND. YES. TYPICALLY OFF OF ERNIE LANE. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY WANTED THEM EITHER. YEAH. THEY DIDN'T WE DIDN'T PUT LIGHTS OUT THERE,
YOU KNOW. 
          AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW,
IN THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AREA, THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE NIGHT SKY, YOU KNOW, LIGHT POLLUTION STUFF. SO IF THERE WAS A WE WANT TO DO SOME DOWN LIGHTS THAT
DIDN'T HAVE A BIG STREET LIGHT THAT WAS STICKING UP AND DID SOME DOWN LIGHTS AT THE ENTRANCE, THAT WAS SOFT LIGHTING. WE'D CERTAINLY BE HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH THAT AS WELL. 
          YES, MA'AM. ARE THERE ANY PROPERTY, ENCUMBRANCES OR OTHER STATUTES THAT REQUIRE YOU TO
HAVE TO GET ANY PERMITS OR COORDINATION WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS? NO, MA'AM. AS LONG AS WE DON'T PUT ANY ANY RESIDENCE OR STRUCTURES ON CORPS PROPERTY,
THERE IS A SPIT OF THIS THAT TOUCHES THAT 
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HAS ACTUALLY FLOWAGE EASEMENT. AND YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT HERE. 
          I CAN'T ZOOM IN TO IT RIGHT HERE. BUT THIS LITTLE SECTION RIGHT THERE IS ACTUALLY PART OF
THE 572 FLOWAGE EASEMENT. 
          SO LONG AS WE KEEP ANY STRUCTURES OUTSIDE OF THAT,
IT'S NO ISSUE. 
          AND WE'VE DONE SEVERAL PROJECTS. THE CONSERVATION WE HAD TO ACTUALLY CROSS CORPS OF
ENGINEER PROPERTY WITH THE STREET. 
          THE CORPS WAS FINE WITH THAT. WE DID A DEAL. I BUILT A DEAL CALLED SHADY LANE OVER OFF OF
KIMBALL AND SHADY LANE THAT HAD QUITE A BIT OF CORPS PROPERTY ON IT. 
          FLOWAGE EASEMENT STUFF THAT WE HAD TO WORK AROUND THAT FLOWAGE EASEMENT. SO WE WORKED WITH
THE CORPS ON SEVERAL PROPERTIES AND PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. 
          BUT THERE'S NO SPECIAL REQUIREMENT, SO LONG AS WE DON'T IMPACT THE ACTUAL LAND WITH THAT
FLOWAGE EASEMENT IS. 
          YES, IN OTHER QUESTIONS, KIND OF JUST MORE OF A COMMENT,
BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS A PRETTY CLEAR SITE TO BEGIN WITH. 
          RIGHT? IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONLY TWO TREES THAT YOU'RE NOTING IS BEING IMPACTED. 
          YES, MA'AM. THIS WAS A GRAVEL PIT IN THE PAST YOU KNOW,
SO MAKING THE BEST OUT OF A MINE, SO TO SPEAK. SO, YEAH, I KNOW. AND YOU KNOW,
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'LL HAVE MORE TREES ON SITE THAN THERE ARE TODAY BECAUSE WE'LL REQUIRE ALL OF OUR HOMEOWNERS AND THE BUILDERS THAT BUILD HERE TO PLANT ADDITIONAL TREES
ON SITE. 
          AGAIN, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, THE DEER AND THE AND THE AND THE WILDLIFE WILL DEFINITELY BE
SENSITIVE TO THAT AS WELL. 
          AND DENNIS, I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO TO SCREW DOWN WHEN THERE'S A
POTENTIAL SITE PLAN PROCESS. 
          CORRECT. IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND ENSURING IT HAS WHAT WE WANT TREE WISE AS,
AS FAR AS WHEN THEY DEVELOP THE PROPERTY. YES. THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO THE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN THAT'S APPROVED
AS PART OF THIS. 
          IT'LL BE RE VISITED WHEN THEY ASSUMING THEY SUBMIT A PRELIMINARY PLAT AT SOME POINT IN THE
FUTURE. 
          AND SO THEY'LL NEED TO RESUBMIT THAT AS A A TREE CONSERVATION PLAN. 
          AND IT IT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY'VE REPRESENTED THIS EVENING. 
          AND THEN AS YOU GET INTO CONSTRUCTION, IF FOR SOME REASON THEY HAVE TO IMPACT ONE OF THOSE
EXISTING TREES THAT WERE REQUIRED TO BE PRESERVED, THEY'LL THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO GET A REMOVAL PERMIT AND MITIGATE FOR FOR THAT TREE,
IF THERE'S ANY PLANTING REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO MAKE PART OF THIS PROPOSAL, YOU CAN CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT ACCEPTING THEIR ACCEPT IT
WITHIN THE ZONING. 
          YEAH. OKAY. AND I'LL DRILL DOWN ON THAT. CHAIRMAN,
WE'LL COMMIT TO MAKING THE BUILDERS AND THE FUTURE HOMEOWNERS HERE PLANT FIVE SIX INCH TREES ARE BIGGER FROM AN APPROVED LIST OF TREES THAT WILL SUPPLY. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR RED OAKS AND YOUR LIVE OAKS AND THOSE KIND OF NORMAL THINGS. 
          WE'LL ALSO PUT IN FROM A FORAGE ACORN STANDPOINT,
WE'LL MAKE THEM DO WHITE OAKS OR SAWTOOTH OAKS OR SOME OF THOSE TREES THAT PRODUCE MASS THAT THE WILDLIFE PREFERS. BUT WE WILL AGAIN,
TO, YOU KNOW, USE ON PEOPLE, NOT PROPERTY, USE ON PROPERTY, NOT PEOPLE. WE'RE COMMITTING TONIGHT THAT WILL REQUIRE FIVE SIX INCH TREES ON EVERY HOUSE. 
          OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE APPLICANT. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. I'LL STAND BY. I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO CALL YOU
BACK. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. DON'T GO TOO FAR. OKAY. SO TONIGHT, THIS IS THE. 
          I'M ABOUT TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. 
          AND THE WAY THIS WILL WORK IS IF YOU FILLED OUT,
FILLED OUT A COMMENT CARD. 
          WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS READ FIRST THE COMMENT CARDS THAT PEOPLE FILLED OUT,
THAT THEY WANT TO STATE THEIR PREFERENCES BUT DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK. 
          AND THEN I'LL USE THE COMMENT CARDS TO CALL UP PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO STATE THEIR PREFERENCE
AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF YOU DIDN'T FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD,
THAT'S OKAY. 
          YOU CAN COME UP AFTER THAT. SO EVERYONE GET A CHANCE TO TALK. 
          AND SO THAT'LL BE KIND OF THE ORDERING THAT WILL WILL TAKE IT IN FIRST. 
          AS I OPEN IT UP AND I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I ALWAYS DO AT THIS PART I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE
FOR HOW I PRONOUNCE ANYONE'S NAME OUT THERE. 
          I KNOW I'M GOING TO HAVE A TOUGH TIME WITH SOME OF THESE,
SO APOLOGIES ON THAT. 
          I WILL DO THE BEST I CAN AND FEEL FREE TO IF YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM TO CORRECT ME ON
ANY OF THAT. 
          SO WITH THAT, WHAT I WILL DO IS FORMALLY OPEN UP THE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER
EIGHT THIS EVENING. AND AGAIN, I'LL START BY READING OFF THE THE COMMENT CARDS I HAVE HERE,
WHICH I'VE GOT SEVERAL OR A NUMBER OF THEM IN MY HAND HERE. 
          SO PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH ME. I HAVE CLAIRE JOHNSON AT 323. 
          BACKBOARD COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          I THINK WE'VE GOT JUDY JOHNSON, I BELIEVE AT 323 BACKWOOD COURT. 
          I PROBABLY READ THAT WRONG. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK AND IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          RICHARD JOHNSON AT 323. BACKBOARD COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK,
BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
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SEE LACEY, TRY TO READ THIS BETTER WITH MY GLASSES. 
          LACEY MILANI WHO IS AT 813? GLENN ABBY DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK THIS EVENING,
BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          LET'S SEE, WE'VE GOT CHRIS MILANI. ALSO, LET'S SEE,
500 WEST. 
          BOB JONES DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK THIS EVENING,
BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          JULIE LANDESBERG LANDESBERG, I BELIEVE AT 305 EAST BOB JONES ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK,
BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          SUSAN JOHNSON, I BELIEVE 400 EAST BOB JONES ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK THIS EVENING,
BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          PETER LANDSBERG, I BELIEVE 305 EAST BOB JONES ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK,
BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          DREW AND SANDRA WILSON 120 SAM BASS RIDGE ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK,
BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          JULIE. NOEL. FOUR. SIX. FIVE. BROOKS COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK THIS EVENING AND IS IN
OPPOSITION. 
          MONTE HOTEL. APOLOGIES. COULDN'T READ THAT. 44. 
          25 HOMESTEAD DRIVE. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK. BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          REBECCA HUCKIN. SO MAYBE I'M PRONOUNCING IT BETTER THIS TIME. 
          44. 25 HOMESTEAD DRIVE. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK. 
          IS IN OPPOSITION. RICHARD ANDERSON AT 4555 NORTH WHITES CHAPEL ROAD. 
          DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          JIM SCHNEIDER. MAYBE. THREE. 25. EAST BOB JONES ROAD. 
          DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK. IS IN OPPOSITION. TAMMY MOORE. 
          THREE. 25. EAST BOB JONES ROAD. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK,
BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          ANNORA STATON. FOUR. 445. EAST BOB JONES ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          ANGELA HIGGINBOTHAM 435 EAST BOB JONES ROAD,
DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          RHETT HIGGINBOTHAM 435 EAST BOB JONES ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. 
          DAVID THOMAS, 44, 29. SADDLE RIDGE ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          PHIL FARNELL APOLOGIES THERE. 816 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. 
          DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK. IS IN OPPOSITION. NANCY PAULSON I BELIEVE 455 EAST BOB JONES ROAD
DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK IS IN OPPOSITION AND MICHAEL MICHAEL SALMON 4506 SODA RIDGE ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. SO I READ OFF ALL THE COMMENT CARDS. 
          I BELIEVE IF STAFF'S KIND OF KEEPING ME IN LINE HERE. 
          SO THE REST OF THE CARDS WE HAVE HERE. THESE ARE FOR SPEAKING ON JUST THIS ITEM. 
          THIS IS NOT THIS ONE. THIS IS ANOTHER CASE. YEAH. 
          OH, OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY, OKAY. WELL,
I'LL. 
          PERFECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND START CALLING OFF SPEAKERS WHO GAVE A
COMMENT CARD WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. 
          AND AGAIN, JUST PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD SO WE CAN RECORD THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'LL GIVE YOU UP TO THREE MINUTES. WE'LL HAVE KIND OF THE TIMER GOING FROM
HERE AND YOU'LL SEE THE LIGHTS KIND OF GREEN, YELLOW AND THEN FLASHING RED AFTER THREE MINUTES. PLEASE ADDRESS THE COMMENTS TO US. AND WITH THAT WE WILL KICK OFF THE,
THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING WITH. 
          I THINK IT'S MELISSA. RIGHT? RIGHT. RICHMOND. 
          RICHMOND. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION ON THIS ITEM THIS
EVENING? HELLO. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS THE GREATEST BLESSING TO BE IN
THIS TOWN. 
          SO I DO NOT FAULT ANYBODY FOR WANTING TO DEVELOP. 
          SO WHAT I JUST WANT TO BRING TO ATTENTION IS THIS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA. 
          WE ALL KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL VISITED THIS AREA. 
          AND THE NATURE CENTER IS A SPECIAL AREA. SO I'M JUST GOING TO READ YOU WHAT THE CITY OF
SOUTHLAKE RESPONDED TO LATE GRAPEVINE WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT MAKING SOME MORE TRAILS AROUND THERE. SO THIS IS FROM THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE JUNE 20TH,
2020. 
          DEER LAKE MANAGER, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF
THE GRAPEVINE LAKE MASTER PLAN. 
          GRAPEVINE LAKE AND THE ADJACENT CORE OF ENGINEER PROPERTY IS AN OUTSTANDING ECOLOGICAL,
EDUCATIONAL AND PASSIVE RECREATIONAL ASSET FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, 
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WHICH WE DESIRE TO PROTECT TO ALLOW FUTURE GENERATIONS TO ENJOY. 
          THIS AREA PROVIDES TREMENDOUS BENEFITS TO THE CITY,
INCLUDING A DIVERSE NATURAL ECOSYSTEM RANGING FROM THE POST OAK SAVANNA TO THE LAKE EDGE MUDFLATS, AN IMPORTANT WILDLIFE HABITAT, AND CRITICAL FLOOD STORAGE. 
          THE EXISTING WALKING AND EQUESTRIAN TRAILS ON THE CORE PROPERTY ALLOW RESIDENTS AND
VISITORS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERIENCE THIS UNIQUE AND OUTSTANDING NATURAL RESOURCE FIRSTHAND. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE 20 THE SOUTHLAKE 2035 ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE PROTECTION
MAP, THIS IS SOUTHLAKE WORDS. THIS IS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA. 
          SO WE ALL KNOW THESE POCKET NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE'S PLENTY OF LAND LEFT. 
          AND THERE'S HAS BEEN SOME DEVELOPED AND STILL HASN'T SOLD. 
          OLD. SO IF WE WANT TO REALLY, REALLY KEEP TRUE TO WHAT OUR VISION IS FOR THE CITY OF
SOUTHLAKE, THIS ISN'T THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT IN THIS LOCATION ISN'T WHAT OUR VISION IS FOR THE CITY
OF SOUTHLAKE, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT OUR 2035 VISION. AND ESPECIALLY IF WE TALK ABOUT THE PRESERVATION OF
RESOURCES, THE CROSS TIMBERS. AND THIS IS DIRECTLY ANYTIME IT RAINS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL LOOK DOWN THERE. IT FLOODS DOWN THERE. SO I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW
THAT IMPACTS WITH THE WILDLIFE. 
          AND I JUST WHEN I WAS COMING HERE, THERE WAS A TURKEY ACTUALLY CROSSING THE ROAD RIGHT
THERE, RIGHT THERE AT THIS PROPERTY. SO I, I BELIEVE WE CAN DO THE RIGHT THING AND PRESERVE THE
NATURAL HABITAT. 
          AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I, I DO GUARANTEE THAT, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER SPOTS THAT YOU CAN PUT IT. 
          I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT. SO YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER IS PLEASE,
NO CLAPPING, NO CHEERING, NO BOOING, NO HISSING. 
          PLEASE. JUST LET'S KEEP THE COMMENTS FOCUSED ON THE PODIUM,
PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. SAMUEL JONES FOR 75 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. 
          WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. YES. GOOD EVENING. 
          I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR CALLING ME UP. 
          ONE OF THE EARLIER SPEAKERS. I'M DEAD ACROSS FROM THAT STREET AT 4.75 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. 
          AND SO WHEN I EXIT MY DRIVEWAY, I'M GOING TO GET TO LOOK DOWN AND MAKE SURE THE DRAINAGE
IS GOING IN THE RIGHT SPOT. 
          AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND I APPRECIATE ANYBODY TRYING TO INCREASE MY
PROPERTY VALUE EXCEPT FOR THE COUNTY APPRAISER. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 15, 20 YEARS, THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY THING INCREASE IN MY
PROPERTY VALUE IS GOING TO DO FOR ME. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY LIFE. IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY LIFESTYLE. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD
WOULD. OTHER THAN AN INCREASE IN MY TAXES, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS ACTUALLY INCREASES THE PROPERTY VALUE. 
          BUT WHEN HEADLIGHTS COME OUT OF THAT STREET,
SHINE DIRECTLY INTO MY PROPERTY WHEN MY DOGS CAN'T COME OUT FRONT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GET TOO WOUND UP BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FLOWING IN AND OUT OF THERE. 
          IT GIVES ME CONCERN. AND I'VE ONLY GOT TWO MINUTES LEFT,
SO I WANT TO JUMP IN HERE ON SECTION 1.1 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCES, AND IT CALLS OUT THE PURPOSE. IT TALKS ABOUT LESSEN CONGESTION,
PREVENT THE OVERCROWDING OF LAND, UNDUE CONCENTRATION OF POPULATION. AND, YOU KNOW,
YOU CAN POOH POOH ALL THAT BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY 6 OR 7 HOUSES BACK HERE. 
          BUT THIS DOUBLES IT IN A VERY CONCENTRATED AMOUNT OF PROPERTY. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M I'M SURE I KNOW THIS IS AN OPPORTUNISTIC PURCHASE FOR THE DEVELOPER. 
          IT'S A MOTIVATED SELLER DUE TO YOU KNOW, THEIR PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          AND I'M SURE HE SAT DOWN WITH HIS PLANNERS AND SAID,
SHOW ME HOW MANY? LOTS. HOW MANY? ONE ACRE LOTS SO I CAN MEET AS IF ONE A THAT THIS PROPERTY I CAN GET ON
THIS PROPERTY. 
          BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INCREASE MY PROPERTY VALUES. 
          IT DOESN'T. IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER AND THE NATURE OF IT,
WHICH IS THE LAST PART OF THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS THAT THEY'VE BEEN MADE WITH REASONABLE CONSIDERATIONS,
AMONG OTHER THINGS, OF THE CHARACTER OF EACH DISTRICT AND ITS PECULIAR SUITABILITY FOR THE PARTICULAR USES CONTAINED THEREIN, AND WITH A VIEW OF CONSERVING,
CONSERVING THE VALUE OF BUILDINGS AND ENCOURAGING THE MOST APPROPRIATE USE OF LAND THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS NOT THE MOST APPROPRIATE USE OF THIS PROPERTY AND THIS
LAND. 
          LOOK, IF YOU WANT TO PUT SEVEN AND TWO IN THERE. 
          IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO GO CRAZY WITH THAT. 
          BUT WHEN YOU PUT A STREET AND A CUL DE SAC AND A TUCK IN NEIGHBORHOOD,
THAT JUST DOESN'T FIT. 
          AND YOU'RE DOUBLING THE NUMBER OF HOMES IN THAT AREA. 
          YOU ONLY GOT SIX HOMES WITHIN THE 300FT THAT WHERE YOU ALLOW FOR COMMENTS AND THAT THAT'S
BOTHERSOME TO ME. 
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AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED A CUL DE SAC IN HERE. 
          THE CUL DE SAC MADE REFERENCE TO ON WEST BOB JONES ROAD. 
          AND I KNOW I'M FLASHING THE CUL DE SAC ON WEST BOB JONES ROAD IS STILL SITTING THERE
EMPTY. 
          THERE'S NOT BEEN A SINGLE PURCHASE OF A LOT ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE,
NATURAL HABITAT, TRAFFIC, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          AND THOSE ARE ALL LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. BUT REALLY MY CONCERN IS THIS DOESN'T FIT. 
          IT DOESN'T FIT ANYMORE. THIS SHIRT DIDN'T COME WITH A POCKET,
BUT YOU KNOW THAT THIS NEIGHBOR, THIS IS NOT SURE HOW QUALITY THIS IS GOOD AND GOOD. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THE SHIRT FIT. AND IF YOU COULD WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS. 
          YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. I APPRECIATE IT AND I APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. BUT IF YOU GO SEE THE PROPERTY INSTEAD OF DRAWINGS, IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE, DRIVE DOWN EAST BOB JONES ROAD. 
          THERE'S NOT A TUCK IN NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S NOT A CUL DE SAC,
THERE'S NOT A POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD ON WEST. 
          EXCUSE ME, EAST OF BOB JONES OF WHITE'S CHAPEL ON BOB JONES. 
          AND IT JUST IT DOESN'T WORK. IT DOESN'T FIT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. 
          NEXT SPEAKER IS MIKE LOVE, WHO'S AT 4.65 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. 
          WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ALL OF US. WE'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. 
          I LIVE AT FIVE AT 465 EAST BOB JONES ROAD, EXACTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE EXISTING
HOUSE ON THAT LOT. 
          WE WENT THROUGH THIS IN 2017. A DEVELOPER WANTED TO PUT A BUNCH OF HOMES IN,
AND WE WERE VERY, VERY PLEASED THAT THAT WAS SHUT DOWN AND VERY HAPPY TO GET THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE HAVE
THERE WITH ONE HOUSE AND A HORSE FARM, BASICALLY IS WHAT IT IS. WHAT DREW ME TO SOUTHLAKE FROM IRVING LAS COLINAS AREA WAS
ARTICLES IN TEXAS MONTHLY, D MAGAZINE. THE 7692 MAGAZINE FROM SOUTHLAKE,
ALL OF THEM TOUTING THE RURAL OPEN AREAS WITH THE HORSES AND SPREADING OUT. I GOT OUT OF CONGESTED AREAS I WOULD NOT HAVE BOUGHT IN SOUTH SOUTHLAKE
BECAUSE I WANTED THE RURAL FEEL OF THAT. 
          AND SO WHENEVER I OBVIOUSLY DID A LOT OF STUDYING BEFORE I BOUGHT MY HOUSE THE FACT THAT
THAT WAS ZONED AGRICULTURAL WAS A HUGE PLUS. THAT'S WHAT SUNK THE DEAL FOR ME TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT IN. 
          AND AS DEE JONES MENTIONED, IT IS THIS PLAN DOUBLES THE HOUSES. 
          IT DOES NOT FIT IN THE AREA. AND WE ALREADY STRUGGLE WITH THINGS. 
          ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS CAN TELL YOU. OUR WATER PRESSURES FLUCTUATE A GREAT AMOUNT. 
          IF YOU'RE TAKING A SHOWER AND SOME OF THESE SPRINKLERS COME ON,
IT DROPS DOWN. 
          TO ADD MORE TO THE END OF THAT PIPELINE IS GOING TO EVEN DIMINISH IT EVEN MORE. 
          SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR EYES ON IT AND LOOK AT IT. 
          AND WE'RE VERY PASSIONATE AND JUST HOPE IT STAYS THE WAY IT IS. 
          IT'S IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA, AND THAT'S WHAT DREW US TO IT. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NEXT SPEAKER, I GUESS I THINK IT'S NIKKI. OR IS IT JADE? SYNHORST. OKAY. JADE. SYNHORST. SCHARNHORST 225. 
          SAM BASS, RIDGE ROAD WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS JADE STEINHORST. I LIVE AT TWO,
TWO, FIVE. 
          SAM BASS RIDGE ROAD, AND I'VE BEEN FEEDING HORSES AT THE CORNER OF SADDLE RIDGE AND BOB
JONES ROAD FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS, DAY AND NIGHT, MORNING AND EVENING. AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE THE I. 
          AND I'M ALSO JUST AS A LITTLE BIT OF BACK STORY,
I'VE BEEN IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS, AND THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF INCREASING, NOT INCREASING TRAFFIC FOR 7 OR 6 HOMES IS ABSOLUTE
FABRICATION. 
          THE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, THE AMOUNT OF I MEAN,
IT'S IT'S IT'S I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S A LIE, BUT IT'S IT'S NOT TRUE. WITH THAT BEING SAID,
OKAY, THE THERE'S MANY OTHER THINGS WE, WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE. AND WHEN YOU ADD THAT MANY PEOPLE,
THE SAFETY FOR WE HAVE WE HAVE KIDS THAT ARE RIDING HORSES, BICYCLES AND ALL THAT. YOU INTRODUCE SIX NEW HOMES. 
          THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS FLYING IN AND OUT IN THE MORNINGS AND THE
EVENINGS. AND IT'S JUST NOT IT'S NOT A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR ANY, ANY SITUATION. ADDING THAT MANY HOUSES IN THAT AREA. 
          PRETTY MUCH I GOT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. 
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NEXT SPEAKER MICHAEL MILLS. WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO BE VERY POPULAR. I'VE BEEN A SOUTHLAKE A LONG TIME,
AND I THINK WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY BUILDING OUT OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLANS, AND I THINK THIS COMPLIES WITH THAT, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL. 
          AND I THINK ONCE IT'S COMPLETED, IT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD,
BACKING UP TO THE CORE AND SOME AMAZING WILDLIFE RUNNING AROUND. 
          I SURE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE LOTS. I DON'T THINK I WILL,
BUT MAN, IT SURE WOULD BE AMAZING. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. 
          RESPECT TO EVERYBODY'S OPINION. NEXT SPEAKER,
FRED JOHNSON WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ITEM, FRED. OKAY, PERFECT. 
          GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS FRED JOHNSON. I OWN,
ALONG WITH MY WIFE, THE SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT PIECE. HERE WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 750FT OF COMMON BOUNDARY LINE. 
          AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT CONCERN ME. 
          NUMBER ONE, NO ONE HAS SPOKEN. THERE'S BEEN. WELL,
I WILL SAY THERE HAS BEEN SOME MENTION OF DRAINAGE. 
          HOWEVER, IF SOMEONE LOOKS AT THE NEW HOUSE THAT WAS THERE THAT HAS JUST BEEN BUILT,
YOU WILL NOTICE THAT IT WAS BACKFILLED IN THERE IN SOME AREAS, PROBABLY TO 4 OR 5, MAYBE SIX FEET. 
          THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF DIRT THAT WAS PUT IN THERE. 
          THE PROPERTY ITSELF USED TO BE A SAND PIT. IT WAS A SAND PIT. 
          WHEN WE MOVED IN IN 1984, THEY DUG SIX FEET BELOW THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS PROPERTY LINE. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE DIRT THAT SAM AND ZOE USED TO LEVEL THEIR HOUSE CAME FROM. 
          THE PREVIOUS OWNERS TO THEM HAD TRUCKED IN THREE WEEKS WORTH OF TRUCKS TO BRING BACK
ENOUGH TO BUILD A HOUSE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY THAT WAS USED FOR A SINGLE HOUSE. 
          MULTIPLY THAT BY SIX IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IN THERE. 
          NO ONE HAS ADDRESSED HOW MUCH DIRT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE BROUGHT IN THERE. 
          SECONDLY. I HAVE GOT VERY SERIOUS DOUBTS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE HILLSIDE. 
          YES, THAT HILLSIDE HAS A BOUNDARY FENCE THAT I NOW SHARE WITH THE OWNERS ON THAT. 
          HOWEVER, THERE ANY LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHIC MAP SHOWS YOU THERE IS A VIRTUALLY A 20 FOOT
DROP OFF THERE. 
          IS THAT GOING TO BE IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD? THERE WAS SERIOUS DRAINAGE PROBLEMS THERE
PREVIOUSLY TO THIS. 
          I WILL SAY THAT THOSE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN MORE THAN ADEQUATELY COVERED BY THE
SMALL RETAINING WALL THAT IS DOWN THERE IN THE BACKFILL OF DRAINAGE PIPES. HOWEVER, THAT IS DRAINING OFF THE EAST SIDE AND UNDER THE DRIVEWAY
ADJACENT TO BOB JONES ROAD AND EXITS INTO THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS PROPERTY. IN AN EXISTING CREEK, SHALL WE SAY,
FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. 
          NEXT, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS MY OWN PROPERTY. 
          WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          IT WOULD DESTROY MUCH OF THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY,
WHICH LOOKS OUT STRAIGHT OVER GRAPEVINE LAKE. 
          6 OR 7 HOUSES ON THERE ARE NOT GOING TO DO VERY MUCH TO ENHANCE MY PROPERTY VALUE. 
          I COULD GO ON ALL NIGHT, BUT I WON'T. OKAY. I APPRECIATE YOU STICKING TO THE THANK YOU
BEING COURTESY OF EVERYONE ELSE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TONIGHT. 
          THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GABRIELLE. GABRIELLE MILLER,
I THINK. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF I SAID THAT RIGHT. HOPEFULLY I DID,
OR IT WAS CLOSE. 
          YES, YOU GOT IT RIGHT. THANK YOU. GABRIELLE MILLER,
405 ORCHARD HILL DRIVE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. 
          SO I HAVE LIVED IN SOUTHLAKE FOR 20 YEARS. I'VE BEEN A REALTOR HERE FOR 12. 
          I'M THE LISTING AGENT ON THIS PROPERTY. SO I REPRESENT THE OWNERS IN THE SALE OF THE
PROPERTY. 
          AND I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF PLANNING AND ZONING AND SPIN AND CITY COUNCIL MANY,
MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS. 
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ALWAYS IN OPPOSITION TO ANYTHING THAT'S CONSIDERED HIGH DENSITY,
ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE ESSENCE OF WHAT SOUTHLAKE WAS MEANT TO BE, WHETHER IT WAS COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN UP
AND SAID THAT THE DEVELOPER'S ACTUALLY DOING WHAT THE CITY PUT INTO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN WHILE THE. THE CURRENT OWNERS CHOSE TO KEEP IT AND CHOSE TO BUY IT
AWAY FROM A DEVELOPER THAT WAS TRYING TO DO THIS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. THIS IS WHAT YOU KNOW, WHEN PRESENTED WITH VARIOUS OFFERS,
THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS MOST COMPELLING. 
          OKAY. SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT. THANK YOU. IT JUST FITS WITH WHAT WAS IN THE DESIGNATED
PLAN. 
          YES. ANY QUESTIONS? NO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. 
          NEXT SPEAKER IS DANA DOBBS. HOPEFULLY I SAID THAT. 
          RIGHT. WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? THIS ONE. HELLO. MY NAME IS DANA DOBBS. I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET AT KIND OF CATTY CORNER FOR 45 EAST BOB JONES. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, EVERYBODY IS OPPOSED TO THIS,
EXCEPT, I GUESS, THE REALTOR, WHO I UNDERSTAND. 
          COULD MAKE SOME MONEY FROM THIS. WHEN ZOE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY,
YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALL EXCITED BECAUSE THEY MADE A HORSE RANCH. 
          AND EVEN IN YEAR 2035 PLAN. AND YOU MENTIONED IT,
MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS IS A SPECIAL AREA OF SOUTHLAKE FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS MISSY TALKED
ABOUT. 
          IT'S ALREADY WE'RE ALREADY ENCROACHING ON THAT WITH WE KEEP BUILDING NORTH,
RIGHT? I'VE LIVED OUT THERE SINCE 94. NOT AS LONG AS FRED. 
          BUT I'VE BEEN OUT THERE A WHILE, AND I'VE SEEN THE CHANGES. 
          THEY'RE HAPPENING FAST AND FURIOUS. IT'S REALLY CHANGING. 
          AND IN YOUR 2035 PLAN, THERE'S EVEN A NOTE ABOUT. 
          ESPECIALLY THE EQUESTRIAN HOMES ON EAST BOB JONES. 
          AND WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE PEOPLE WHO PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO HAVE
THESE LITTLE HORSE RANCHES OUT THERE, AND THEY RIDE THOSE TRAILS. THEY RIDE ON THE STREET TO GET TO THE TRAILS. 
          I'M AFRAID THIS IS GOING TO BE A RIPPLE EFFECT. 
          YOU START ZONING THIS STUFF OUT LIKE THIS, AND WE GET MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET THEIR KIDS RIDE THE HORSE ACROSS THE STREET. THE CROSS COUNTRY
TEAM IS NOT GOING TO COME OUT HERE ON EAST BOB JONES AND RUN THEIR LITTLE LAPS. 
          IT'S TOO DANGEROUS. AND I LIVE ON THIS ROAD AND I KNOW THE DEVELOPER SAYS,
OH, WE'RE SUCH LITTLE TRAFFIC. 
          IT'S A 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT OUT HERE. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE PEOPLE I SEE
GOING 4550 ON THIS LITTLE NARROW ROAD THAT HAS A BIG TURN BY OUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, THEY'RE SMOKING HOT AND WE WALK OUR DOGS, WE WALK OUR KIDS,
WE BICYCLE. 
          AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SPECIAL PLACE IN SOUTHLAKE. 
          AND I THINK WE HIT IT ON THE HEAD WHEN THE LOVE SAID THEY BOUGHT OUT HERE. 
          BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF OUR LAST STAND, AND WE'RE RIGHT BY THE CROSS TIMBERS AREA AND WE
ARE JUST INFRINGING ON IT. 
          I ASKED DEVELOPER ABOUT THE FENCE AND HE TOLD ME,
OH, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE EXISTING FENCE. 
          BUT IF I WAS A HOMEOWNER ON SIX, FIVE AND ANY OF THOSE YOU'RE BACKING UP TO YOUR PROPERTY, YOU'RE BACKING UP TO COYOTES, YOU'RE BACKING UP TO,
OF COURSE, SNAKES, WHICH ARE NOT GOING TO KEEP THEM OUT, THE TURKEYS. AND IF I HAVE DOGS, I CAN'T HAVE A I CAN'T HAVE A PIPE FENCE. 
          I'VE GOT TO PROTECT MY PROPERTY AND MY ANIMALS AND MY KIDS. 
          RIGHT. SO I DON'T SEE THIS CONDUCIVE TO THE PROPERTY. 
          AND I THINK SOUTHLAKE WOULD BE AMISS TO DO THIS. 
          THANKS. OKAY. NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. 
          NEXT SPEAKER IS DAN KOME KOME. SORRY, SORRY. WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM. 
          THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DAN KOME. I LIVE AT 339 WEST HIGHLAND STREET HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. 
          I'VE HAD A POST OFFICE BOX HERE IN SOUTHLAKE SINCE THE EARLY 90S LATE 80S. 
          I'VE WATCHED THE TOWN GROW JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS. 
          WE ALL MOVED OUT HERE FOR THE SAME REASONS. I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER. 
          I'VE SOLD OVER 500 HOMES. AND NOW I SELL MOSTLY FARM AND RANCH LAND AND LOTS,
ACREAGE AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          I HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT WHATSOEVER. 
          BUT ON PROJECTS JUST LIKE THIS. OFTENTIMES, WE GET ENORMOUS OPPOSITION,
AND VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE GUTS TO STAND UP AND SAY THAT THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE OKAY. WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE,
IT WILL BE OKAY. 
          I'VE PERSONALLY RESEARCHED THIS DEVELOPER. THIS DEVELOPER STANDS BY THEIR WORD. 
          WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING,
THEY ACTUALLY DO IT. 
          THEY'VE DEVELOPED OVER A THOUSAND LUXURY PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT NORTHEAST TARRANT COUNTY,
AND THE MAJORITY OF THE QUALITY SUBDIVISIONS ARE A GOOD PORTION OF THE MAJORITY OF SUBDIVISIONS THROUGHOUT KELLER, COLLEYVILLE,
SOUTHLAKE, AND GRAPEVINE ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS DEVELOPER. 
          IF YOU DO NOT SELL TO THIS DEVELOPER, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT IT'S GOING TO GO TO
SOMEBODY ELSE, THAT IT'S GOING TO PUSH HARDER AND HARDER FOR HALF ACRE LOTS AND SMALLER. 
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YOUR FIGHT IS GOING TO CONTINUE FOR YEARS TO MAKE PEOPLE MORE AND MORE MISERABLE. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE PROJECT THAT THEY DID OFF OF BERNIE LANE,
IT IS PHENOMENAL. 
          THE WILDLIFE THAT STILL PASSES THROUGH THERE TODAY,
EVEN AFTER ALL THE CONSTRUCTION IS FANTASTIC. 
          THERE ARE DEER ROAMING THE NEIGHBORHOOD STILL TODAY. 
          I HAVE FRIENDS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT I KNOW. FRIENDS OF MY KIDS. 
          I HAVE FOUR DAUGHTERS. I HAVE A CHILD IN SOUTHLAKE CARROLL SCHOOLS. 
          I LIVE IN A LOT. THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE ONES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS
SUBDIVISION, WHERE I HAVE JUST A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE, AND I HAVE A VERY NICE LUXURY HOME THAT I BUILT
AFTER I TORE DOWN AN OLD 1964 BRICK FARMHOUSE THAT MY CHILDREN TOLD THEIR TEACHER WAS A CRACK HOUSE BECAUSE IT HAD CRACKS
EVERYWHERE. 
          WE MADE IT A BIGGER, NICER HOUSE. AND BY THE WAY,
THE TEACHER DID COME TO OUR HOUSE AND TELL US WHAT OUR DAUGHTER HAD SAID IN SCHOOL. 
          THEY'RE IN FIRST GRADE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY,
IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY. 
          IF YOU GO FORWARD WITH THIS, I SEE A 52,946 SQUARE FOOT LOT. 
          I SEE ANOTHER 52,691 SQUARE FOOT LOT. EVERYTHING WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT COMPLIES THERE,
RETAINING THE ESTHETICS THAT ARE ALONG THIS ROAD TODAY. THEY'RE BEING RESPECTFUL OF THE WATER FLOWS,
FLOWAGE EASEMENTS AND REGARDING THE NATURE, THE NATURAL WILDLIFE. THIS DEVELOPER, MANY OF YOU DO NOT KNOW THIS. 
          YOU WOULD NOT KNOW THIS. BUT HE LIVED OFF A SHADY LANE FOR A WHILE. 
          HE PERSONALLY PUT UP A TURKEY COOP. AND THE TURKEY THAT YOU SEE TODAY ARE THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT MAN RIGHT THERE. 
          HE RAISED THEM HIMSELF, AND HE RELEASED THEM. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. NO, THANK YOU FOR BEING CONSIDERATE OF THE THREE MINUTES. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. NEXT SPEAKER, KATHY STECKEL,
WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. 
          GOOD EVENING. I'M KATHY STUKEL. I LIVE AT 445 EAST BOB JONES,
WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS PROPERTY. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT I WAS GOING TO MENTION HAVE KIND OF ALREADY BEEN SAID,
BUT I WANT TO JUST REITERATE A FEW THINGS. ONE IS THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF THE 572 LINE FOR THE FLOWAGE EASEMENT. THE REASON IF YOU, AS SOMEBODY ALREADY MENTIONED,
THIS HOUSE, THE HOUSE, THE EXISTING HOUSE IS MANY FEET ABOVE THE GROUND AROUND THIS HOUSE. 
          AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THIS THE EAST AND NORTH SIDES OF THIS PROPERTY ARE NOT AT 572,
WHICH MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE BRINGING IN TONS AND TONS OF FILL DIRT TO MAKE THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY WORK. AND THE IDEA THAT THERE'S THAT,
THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY TRAFFIC IMPACTS, I THINK IS INCORRECT BECAUSE WE HAVE ON THE WEEKENDS,
WE GET A TON OF EXTRA TRAFFIC JUST FROM PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ACCESS THE TRAILS. 
          IT USED TO BE WHEN I LIVED HERE 30 YEARS AGO,
I'VE BEEN OUT HERE. 
          YOU COULD WALK THESE TRAILS FOR DAYS AND NEVER SEE ANOTHER PERSON. 
          NOW THE PARKING LOT AT THE END OF AT THE CORNER AT THE TURN OF BOB JONES IS FILLED EVERY
WEEKEND WITH TONS AND TONS OF CARS, AND IT'S UP THE STREET AND THERE'S LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE COMING AND THEY'RE COMING,
AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, AT SPEEDS THAT ARE UNSAFE. AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE ADDING ALL THE FILL DIRT TRUCKS,
ALL THE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE TO THIS LOAD AND THIS ROAD. 
          AND IT'S GOING TO BE INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT HERE,
ALL OF US. 
          WE WALK THESE, WE WALK THE ROAD, WE WALK THE TRAILS WITH OUR BIKES,
WITH OUR DOGS, WITH OUR HORSES. 
          AND I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY WAY THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE AN
ENHANCEMENT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT. YES, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE ENHANCING OUR
PROPERTY VALUES. 
          I THINK MOST OF US WHO ARE OUT HERE WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE FOR US IN TERMS OF
WHAT WE BELIEVE THIS PART OF SOUTHLAKE SHOULD BE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. WHAT WE HAVE IS WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT IS BEST FOR US AND IS
REALLY THE TRUE LOOK AND FEEL OF OUR WORLD. 
          THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, BECAUSE MY TIME IS RUNNING OUT,
IS THAT, AS WAS ALSO MENTIONED, THERE ARE A LOT OF LARGER TRACTS ALONG BOB JONES IN TERMS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE HORSES, THEY HAVE BIG TRACTS OF LAND. 
          I'VE HEARD SEVERAL OF THEM SAY AT THIS POINT THAT IF THIS GOES IN,
THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER SERIOUSLY CONSIDER SELLING THEIR TEN ACRE PROPERTY, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT, AGAIN, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S NOT WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR. THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT PROGRESS HAS ALWAYS MEANT MORE IS NOT ALWAYS PROGRESS. 
          AND MOST OF US BELIEVE THAT WHO ARE SITTING HERE IN OPPOSITION,
WE BELIEVE THAT IF WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THIS PROPERTY, THIS FEELS I KNOW IT MEETS ALL OF YOUR REGULATIONS,
BUT THIS IS A SOUTH SOUTHLAKE DEVELOPMENT, AND WE DON'T WANT SOUTH SOUTHLAKE IN OUR IN OUR IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
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AND YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE FILTER, I THINK THAT THE ROAD WILL BE DESTROYED. 
          YOU GUYS JUST REDID PARTS OF WHITECHAPEL, AND PROBABLY A LOT OF THAT WAS BECAUSE OF ALL
THE HEAVY TRUCKS THAT CAME TO BUILD THAT BRIDGE. 
          WELL, THINK ABOUT ALL THE TRUCKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN HERE FOR THE NEXT FIVE
YEARS TO TRY AND FILL THIS, MAKE THIS HAPPEN. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, I KNOW MY TIME IS UP. 
          I DROVE THROUGH SADDLEBACK RIDGE, WHICH HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR TEN YEARS. 
          THERE'S STILL 7 OR 8 LOTS THAT HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN SOLD YET. 
          AND YOU'VE GOT RANDY COURT. NOTHING HAS BEEN SOLD THERE AND IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A DISASTER
AREA. AND SO WHAT'S TO SAY THAT THIS WON'T HAPPEN HERE? YOU'RE SAYING HOW IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT, BUT WHAT IF THEY DON'T SELL THE LOTS? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT. AND PLEASE,
PLEASE, PLEASE GET READY. 
          IS THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM I'D LIKE TO SPEAK. 
          IS GS READY? GS READY. OKAY. OH. OH, OKAY. OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. WELL, HERE,
I'VE GOT ANOTHER COMMENT CARD ANYWAY. 
          SO GLENDA WILLIAMS LOVE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION,
I BELIEVE. 
          OF THIS ITEM. I HOPEFULLY READ IT RIGHT. 
          GLENDA WILLIAMS LOVE . I LIVE AT 465 EAST BOB JONES. 
          THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS I'VE BEEN WATCHING THE FACES OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS PANEL, AND I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU HAVE ALL BEEN LISTENING AND NOT LOOKING IN ANOTHER DIRECTION
BUT LISTENING. 
          AND IT HAS TO BE A HARD JOB TO HEAR PEOPLE STATE THEIR OPINIONS WITH SUCH PASSION. 
          AND WE ARE VERY PASSIONATE. THE FIRST THING THAT I WANT TO CORRECT IS THAT THE GENTLEMAN
SAID THAT THE HOMES IN THAT AREA WERE ALL ONE ACRE TRACTS. 
          THAT IS TOTALLY INCORRECT. EVERY HOUSE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BOB JONES IS A MINIMUM OF ONE AND A HALF TO ONE AND THREE QUARTER. OUR HOME IS ON ONE AND A HALF ACRES AND WE ARE
DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SO ONE ACRE DOES NOT FIT. THE JOHNSONS LIVE NEXT DOOR AND THEIRS IS SEVEN ACRES. 
          MANY OF THE OTHER HOMES ARE MULTIPLE ACRES, AND SO IT IS OBVIOUSLY A FARM FEEL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE CHARACTER IS VERY RURAL. 
          THESE WILL NOT BE RURAL HOMES. THEY WILL BE,
I'M SURE, LOVELY HOMES, BUT THEY WON'T FIT THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE OTHER THING IS COMMENTS ABOUT THE ROAD. 
          WE NEVER SAID THERE WERE POTHOLES IN OUR ROAD. 
          THERE ARE NOT POTHOLES THERE. THE CITY HAS MAINTAINED THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THE ROADS BEAUTIFULLY. BUT ORIGINALLY THE ROADS WERE GRAVEL ROADS AND THEY WERE JUST
HOT TOPPED OVER. 
          THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN PAVED. AND WHEN THE CURRENT HOUSE THAT'S ON THAT PROPERTY WAS BUILT,
THERE WAS SO MUCH TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH AND THEY WERE BUILDING ONE HOUSE. 
          AND SO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE USING THAT ROAD WILL JUST BE ENORMOUS. 
          AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT IS THAT THE BUILDER SAID THAT THESE
SHOULD BE FINISHED IN A YEAR. WELL, HE'S ONLY THE DEVELOPER AND SO HE IS GOING TO BE SELLING THAT PROPERTY TO
OTHER BUILDERS. AND SO THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT WILL TAKE TO FINISH HAS TO DO WITH HOW SOON THOSE
LOTS ARE SOLD. AND IF THEY ARE BUILT ON. AND SO I REITERATE WHAT HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE. 
          IT MAY BE FIVE YEARS THAT WE'RE WATCHING TRUCKS HAUL SAND AND DIRT AND CONSTRUCTION
SUPPLIES IN, OR IT MAY BE TEN YEARS. WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE TEN YEARS,
SO I DON'T WANT THE REST OF MY LIFE TO BE WATCHING THESE TRUCKS, HAULING THINGS IN. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION ONCE
AGAIN. 
          THAT WAS SO SURPRISING TO ME TO SEE YOUR GENUINE INTEREST IN WHAT WAS BEING SAID. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. NOW I'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE COMMENT CARDS,
BUT THAT STILL MEANS IF ANYONE ELSE WHO DIDN'T FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD, 
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WHO HASN'T ALREADY HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD,
WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. 
          I JUST ASK, WE DO IT ONE AT A TIME. SO I GUESS AND OBVIOUSLY IN SUPPORT,
OPPOSITION OR ANYWHERE IN BETWEEN I GUESS. 
          DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR. AND JUST AGAIN, PLEASE STATE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          THANK YOU. HELLO, I'M DAVID THOMAS, I LIVE ON A CORNER IN SADDLE RIDGE, AND BOB JONES AND I FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD IN OPPOSITION. 
          I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK, BUT I THINK THE TURKEY FEEDER STORY INSPIRED ME TO SPEAK IN MORE
OPPOSITION BECAUSE I FOUND IT KIND OF AMUSING. 
          BUT YOU GUYS ARE TASKED WITH A DIFFICULT JOB KIND OF WATCHING OUT OVER THE COMMUNITY. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION ON BEHALF OF SOUTHLAKE ON
THIS, BUT IT'S OBVIOUS THERE'S FIERCE OPPOSITION. AND AT FIRST I WAS MILDLY OPPOSED. 
          BUT THEN AFTER MORE COMMENTS AND WE HAD A MISERABLE YEAR AND A HALF WITH THE BRIDGE
CONSTRUCTION, Y'ALL MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT KNOW THAT STORY, BUT MASSIVE INCONVENIENCE. 
          WE GOT THROUGH IT AND NOW WE'VE GOT TO HAVE DUMP TRUCKS. 
          AND I AGREE WITH THE LADY. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF DUMP TRUCKS,
SAND, DIRT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE JUST CAME OUT OF THAT DEBACLE AND NOW WE GOT TO FACE ANOTHER ONE. 
          BUT WHAT? I'M SERIOUS ABOUT THIS. WELL, I'VE GOT FIVE ACRES ON THE CORNER,
AND I KNOW THIS WILL IMPACT MY PROPERTY VALUE, AND IT WILL IMPACT THE PROPERTY VALUES ACROSS THE STREET,
DOWN THE STREET. 
          AND SO BASICALLY, IT COMES BESIDES THE BEAUTY AND EVERYTHING GREAT THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE
DID PUT IN THE NATURE CENTER. 
          I WAS INVOLVED IN A BOB JONES PARK DEAL AT THE GET GO,
WHEN IT WASN'T GOING TO BE A PARK. 
          AND THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT. THE HORSE TRAILS. 
          Y'ALL HAVE DONE SO MUCH TO MAKE NORTH SOUTHLAKE WHAT IT IS. 
          AND THIS IS COUNTER INTUITIVE OF WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR. 
          AND YOU'RE JAMMING IN A DEVELOPMENT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S AG PROPERTY TURNING INTO
RESIDENTIAL. 
          I JUST THINK IT'S A BAD DECISION. IF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE WILL COME IN THERE AND REDO BOB
JONES ROAD, REDO SADDLE RIDGE, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE ONCE IN 30 YEARS,
AND FIX THE WATER LINES SEWER. 
          I MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A MAJOR INVESTMENT BY THE CITY
BEFORE ANY OTHER HOUSES ARE JAMMED IN THERE. 
          THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT, SIR. 
          OKAY. THE PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND
COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. 
          OKAY, MA'AM. MA'AM? SORRY, SIR. I'VE GOT. SHE CUT IT. 
          SHE JUMPED UP FIRST. THAT'S OKAY. YOU'LL BE NEXT. 
          THANK YOU. SORRY. HI. MY NAME IS BEATRICE TERRAZAS,
AND I LIVE AT 4322 HOMESTEAD DRIVE, WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE WAYS UP FROM THAT POSSIBILITY THERE. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE SOMETHING THAT JADE STEINHAUS SAID. 
          IT'S VERY RURAL OUT THERE. WE HAVE BAR DITCHES,
AND THE BAR DITCHES AREN'T EVEN THAT WELL MAINTAINED. 
          THEY FLOOD. HIS KIDS RIDE THEIR HORSES. THEY RIDE THEIR BIKES. 
          I'M A CYCLIST AND A RUNNER. SO I CYCLE ALONG THERE,
AND I RUN THERE, AND I WALK MY DOG. 
          IT IS NOT A SAFE PLACE WITHOUT SIDEWALKS TO DO THAT. 
          I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES CARS HAVE BUZZED ME. 
          I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I'VE SEEN MOMS WITH STROLLERS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME LITTLE
KIDS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WALKING ALONG THE ROAD BEING BUZZED BY CARS. THE IDEA OF THEM BEING BUZZED BY A DUMP TRUCK
JUST I MEAN, I CAN'T EVEN I CAN'T EVEN PICTURE IT. WE HAVE A GREAT POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THEY'LL COME IF WE CALL, BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DENSITY OUT THERE FOR THEM TO PATROL THE
WAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO PATROL. 
          SO MY I DO HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT EXTRA TRAFFIC THAT IS NOT ENFORCED AT THE 30 MILE
PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT. 
          NOT JUST FOR MYSELF. I MEAN, YEAH, ONE DAY I MIGHT GET KILLED ON MY BIKE OUT THERE. 
          THAT'S THE REALITY. BUT TO HAVE A CHILD IN A STROLLER,
BEING BUZZED BY DUMP TRUCKS, OTHER VENDORS, WHATEVER IS REALLY PRETTY CHILLING. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT. 
          OKAY, SIR. SORRY. THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT THERE. 
          MY NAME IS TODD ELDRIDGE. I LIVE AT 4420 HOMESTEAD DRIVE. 
          BEEN THERE 28.5 YEARS NOW. I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO SELL. 
          WHEN WE MOVED OUT HERE, WE HAVE A ONE ACRE LOT. 
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I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE A ONE ACRE LOT THAT WAS BASED UPON THE ZONING. 
          THAT'S ALL I COULD GET. SO I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THESE PEOPLE THAT ECONOMICALLY NEED TO SELL. 
          BUT IF WE SPLIT UP THIS PROPERTY, THERE'S EXTRA. 
          WHERE ARE WE GOING TO STOP? HOW MANY OF THESE OTHER HORSE FARMS AND LARGER ACREAGES ARE WE
GOING TO SPLIT UP THERE? AND THEN IF WE DO THAT, CERTAINLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE
IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT NOW TO SUPPLY VERY WELL WHAT WE'VE GOT. 
          I'M GLAD SOME PEOPLE HAVE ADDRESSED THE SAFETY ISSUE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. 
          IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD MORE AND MORE HOUSES THAN WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SAFETY MEASURES IN
PLACE. 
          ONE OTHER THING TO MENTION IS THAT RIGHT NOW,
THERE'S ONLY ONE EGRESS FROM THIS AREA. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU WERE AROUND WHEN THE FIRES WERE HAPPENING 6 OR 7 YEARS
AGO, BUT YOU KNOW, I KNOW IN PARTICULAR, MY FAMILY WAS UNABLE TO EVACUATE VERY EASILY UNTIL
THEY BROUGHT IN HELICOPTERS WITH WATER TO DUMP ON TO KNOCK OUT SOME OF THOSE FIRES. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE
BECAUSE IT'S ECONOMICALLY ADVANTAGED, ECONOMICALLY ADVANTAGED, AS CERTAIN PEOPLE CAN DEVELOP INTO ONE ACRE LOTS,
WE'RE GOING TO NEED BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT AVAILABLE TO US RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SPEAKING TONIGHT. 
          ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN. ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK
ON THIS ITEM? AND ONCE WE CLOSE OUT THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S CLOSED. 
          SO KIND OF. YOU GET YOUR LAST SHOT HERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD. 
          OKAY. TALK ONE MORE INTO IT. THANK YOU. 
          SO GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JIM SCHNEIDER. I LIVE AT 325 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. 
          BY TRADE, I'M A FARMER. THAT KIND OF MOVED IN AND MARRIED A DALLAS GIRL. 
          SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE DURING THIS
TIME PERIOD ARE KIND OF CONCERNING TO ME, BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MOST OF THE SOUTHLAKE HOUSES ARE GROOMED HERE. 
          AND THE CONCERN FOR ME IS TO ADD SIX ADDITIONAL HOUSES AND THE DEMAND FOR WATER THAT'S IN
THIS PARTICULAR AREA. 
          HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONCEPT OR QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE ADDITIONAL WATER REQUIREMENTS? AND THEN ONCE THE CITY GETS THIS APPROVED, AND THEN THEY FIND OUT THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THE
ADDITIONAL WATER, HOW MUCH ARE THEY GOING TO TRENCH IN FRONT OF THE CURRENT LANDOWNERS TO GET THAT WATER
SUPPLIED FROM WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO TO WHERE IT IS TODAY? SO THAT'S KIND OF CONCERN. THE ADDITIONAL PIECE IS ARE THEY GOING TO DO GAS LINES? IS THERE ENOUGH GAS LINE IN THERE. I KNOW THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT ARE KIND OF CONCERNING. 
          ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I'M ALSO GOING TO MAKE IS THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE
GIVEN ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM WHAT I'M HEARING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, ALTHOUGH I MISSED THE PREVIOUS MEETING, IS IT SEEMS EVERYTHING'S REACTIONARY FROM HIM. 
          SO IF HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO DO ONE THING, DO YOU PUT THAT IN THE CONTRACT LATER? NOT NORMALLY. SO MY REAL QUESTION IS HOW MUCH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO TAKE
ADDITIONAL FILL? I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS AREA IS EXTREMELY LOW LYING AND I KNOW SOME OF THE SOILS THAT ARE
IN THERE, AT LEAST ON OUR PARTICULAR PROPERTY, ARE NOT CONDUCIVE TO SEPTIC. 
          AND SO IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE THAT THAT PERMIT REQUEST WAS JUST PUT IN TODAY. 
          SO THERE'S REALLY NO ENGINEERING THAT'S GONE ON AHEAD OF TIME TO ACTUALLY GIVE THAT
INFORMATION TO US. 
          THE ADDITIONAL PIECE TO THAT IS WE LIVE AT 325 EAST BOB JONES. 
          SO IF YOU COME UP THAT ROAD, ALL OF THE HEADLIGHTS ACTUALLY COME INTO OUR PROPERTY THAT GO
IN AROUND THAT CORNER. 
          ADDITIONAL PIECE TO THAT CORNER IS THAT'S A BLIND CORNER. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A HEAVY HAUL TRUCK COMING AROUND THAT CORNER,
IT'S LITERALLY BLIND. 
          AND I HAVE MY OWN TRUCKS. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SWING INTO THE LANE THAT'S COMING IN TO
MAKE A BIG TRUCK COME AROUND THAT CORNER. 
          IT'S PRETTY DANGEROUS DOING THAT HEAVY HAUL EQUIPMENT INTO THAT AREA. 
          SO FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, I CAN SEE THIS BEING A SAFETY ISSUE LONG TERM. 
          DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT SOME OF THE UTILITIES,
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS STILL HAVE YET TO BE ANSWERED. 
          AND I'M SURE THERE'S ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT WILL COME UP IN THE FUTURE. LIKE,
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OFFERING TO DO TREES, THAT KIND OF STUFF. WELL,
WE HAVE THE WE HAVE THE MOST HEAVILY TREED PROPERTY IN THE AREA BECAUSE WE SPEND A LOT OF 
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MONEY TO DO THAT. THEY'RE HARD TO KEEP AND THEY'RE HARD TO DEVELOP. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COMING UP TO SPEAK, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING? I BELIEVE IS IT? HOPEFULLY. I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ABOUT TO CLOSE IT. 
          OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS
EVENING ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. 
          THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT AND COMMENTING TONIGHT. AND PLEASE,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING IT KIND OF IN A VERY METHODICAL AND DIPLOMATIC MANNER. 
          MAYBE WHAT WE MIGHT DO. STAFF. I MIGHT JUST KIND OF ASK A FEW KIND OF QUICK QUESTIONS,
AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF GO AROUND AND MAYBE STAFF CAN MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT JUST MAYBE STARTING I THINK, AND YOU'VE GOT KIND OF THIS SLIDE UP ON THE
PRESENTATION, THE, THE 572 LINE FOR LAKE GRAPEVINE, I GUESS. 
          AND IS THAT THE LINE ON THE, THE SLIDE THAT'S SHOWN HERE? THAT'S KIND OF ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, I GUESS I WANT TO SAY TOP RIGHT,
BUT KIND OF ON THE RIGHT SIDE DENNIS, I GUESS, IS THAT THE YES. IT'S A LINE THAT IS LOCATED JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THE LABEL FOR LOT SIX. YEAH. OKAY. LITTLE CROOKED CROOKED LINE RUNNING OFF THAT NORTHEAST CORNER. SO I GUESS AS, AS WE UNDERSTAND THE PRESENTATION AND WE COULD ALWAYS ASK
THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP. 
          I GUESS ANY FILL DIRT THAT WE BROUGHT IN WOULD BE FOR A KIND OF PAD SITE PREPARATION FOR
HOMES, I GUESS. FILL DIRT FOR. FILL DIRT THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT IN WOULD BE FOR PAD SITE
PREPARATION FOR HOMES. 
          AND THAT NO HOMES COULD BE BUILT WITHIN THAT THAT LINE. 
          CORRECT. YEAH. THEY WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO HAVE ANY OCCUPIED STRUCTURE INSIDE THAT
BOUNDARY, WHICH OF COURSE, THE BUILDING LINES, AS I SAID,
WOULDN'T PERMIT THAT EITHER. 
          AND ANYTHING THAT THEY DO CONSTRUCT AT OR BELOW THAT 572 WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH CORPS
ENGINEERS REVIEW, AND THEY WOULD NEED, NEED TO GIVE AUTHORIZATION TO CONSTRUCT THAT. 
          OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION, I GUESS, ON THE COMMENTS ABOUT WATER PRESSURE,
I GUESS, IS THERE ANYTHING STAFF I MEAN, MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN COMMENT ON ANYTHING TONIGHT OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING
SUBSEQUENT TO THIS MEETING THAT CAN BE INVESTIGATED IN TERMS OF JUST CURRENT PRESSURE CAPACITY AND OBVIOUSLY INCREMENTAL RELATED TO,
YOU KNOW, ADDITION OF THIS TRACT OR ANY OTHERS, I GUESS. IS THERE ANYTHING ON THAT, I GUESS,
THAT THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TO US? AS FAR AS WHAT WE COULD PROVIDE YOU THIS EVENING? NO. HAVING HEARD THOSE COMMENTS WE'LL CHECK WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND SEE IF
WE'VE GOT PRESSURE DATA ON THAT PORTION OF THE LINE AND THEN SEE,
SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO TO DETERMINE THAT. 
          AND IF THERE'S ANY, ANY CONCERN WITH THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT ARE IMPACTING THIS. 
          OKAY. YEAH. MAYBE JUST PRESSURE DATA. AND YOU KNOW,
ONE OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, IF THERE'S ANYTHING CONTEMPLATED THIS AREA. 
          SO WHEN, YOU KNOW, JUST MAYBE GETTING OUR ARMS AROUND THAT BETTER AND THEN CAN YOU MAYBE
TALK ABOUT THE CITY ORDINANCES JUST A LITTLE BIT HIGH LEVEL REGARDING CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTION, EQUIPMENT, TIMING,
NOISE. 
          I MEAN, JUST HOW I MEAN HOW HOW CAN HOW CAN I GUESS RESIDENTS GOING TO WORK WITH THE CITY
TO ENSURE IF THERE'S SOMETHING UNDER CONSTRUCTION HERE THAT'S DONE IN A MANNER THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH ORDINANCES? WELL, GIVEN THE AVAILABILITY OF EGRESS INGRESS TO THE PROPERTY
THE ONLY THINGS THAT I THINK WE COULD OFFER AT THIS POINT WOULD BE WORK PERIODS THAT ARE NOISE
ORDINANCE DICTATE WHICH IS 7 TO 9 MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, NO WORK PERMITTED. 
          VERY LIMITED TYPES OF WORK ARE PERMITTED ON SUNDAY AND BUT TYPICAL CONSTRUCTION OUTDOOR
CONSTRUCTION WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED ON A ON A SUNDAY SUNDAY TIME PERIOD OR OUTSIDE OF THAT 7 A.M. 
          TO NINE. 9 A.M. PROVISION. IF THERE'S DAMAGE OR EROSION AND DEBRIS THAT THAT ARE DIRECTLY THAT WE CAN DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTE TO CONSTRUCTION OR A
PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT FROM, FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT AND REQUIRE THEY CLEAN THAT
UP. 
          BUT THAT'S ALL I THINK I CAN OFFER AT THIS TIME. 
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OKAY. ANY OTHER JUST QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. WE CAN ALWAYS CALL UP THE APPLICANT AS WELL. 
          DID YOU MISSPEAK ABOUT. YOU SAID 7 A.M. TO 9 A.M. 
          FOR AM9PM. I'M SORRY. OKAY. YES, I DID MISSPEAK. 
          IF I IF I SAID 7 TO 9 A.M., THAT'S NOT A VERY LONG WORK DAY. 
          ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          THE TOPOGRAPHICAL SURVEY THAT IS IN THIS PACKET. 
          YES, SIR. IS THIS AN ON THE GROUND SURVEY? YOU KNOW,
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. 
          I SUSPECT THAT IT'S LIDAR. I WILL SAY, JUST IF YOU SIMPLY DRIVE BY THE SITE,
THE ENTIRE SITE IS BELOW BOB JONES ROAD. 
          CERTAINLY, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTION PRINTS AND OTHERWISE,
IT'LL BE AN ON THE GROUND TOPOGRAPHICAL SURVEY. 
          TYPICALLY, WITH THIS NOT BEING COVERED WITH TREE COVER,
THAT LIDAR INFORMATION IS VERY ACCURATE. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE GROUND,
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE. SO SO ASSUMING IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A FLOWN SURVEY, WHICH IS WHICH IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID,
RIGHT? A LIDAR. YES, SIR. DO DO YOU SEE THE GRADING ISSUES OR THE GRADING ISSUES ABOUT THE SITE
BEING LOW, LIKE SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BROUGHT UP? HAVE YOU ALL RECOGNIZED THAT? I WOULD SAY NO. EVERYTHING FROM BOB JONES FLOWS OFF TO THE EAST. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE TOPOGRAPHY AS IT GOES FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE TOWARDS LAKE
GRAPEVINE ALL FALLS AWAY FROM OUR PROPERTY. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE POSITIVE DRAINAGE FLOW FROM OUR SITE TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST TO THE
CORPS OF ENGINEER PROPERTY. 
          WE'LL CUT THE ROAD IN TO ANSWER DIRECTLY YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE FLOW EASEMENT. 
          WE WILL NOT ALLOW ANY CONSTRUCTION TO HAPPEN WHATSOEVER IN THAT 572 FLOW EASEMENT. 
          THERE'S FRANKLY NO NEED FOR IT. IT JUST TOUCHES A PIECE OF THAT ONE LOT. 
          BUT FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT, AND I UNDERSTAND DRAINAGE IS ALWAYS A CONCERN WHEN WE DO
NEW SUBDIVISIONS. YOU KNOW, JUST A SIMPLE DRIVING BY THE SITE. 
          THE SITE IS LOWER THAN BOB JONES. IT POSITIVELY FLOWS TO LAKE GRAPEVINE. 
          I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY DRAINAGE PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER ON THIS SITE. 
          SO I GUESS MY QUESTION THOUGH IS, IS THAT ARE YOU ANTICIPATING BRINGING PHIL INTO THIS
ENTIRE SITE TO ACHIEVE THE GRADES THAT ARE GOING TO BE YOUR BUILDABLE GRADES? NO, SIR, NOT FOR THE ENTIRE SITE. I WILL SAY THERE PROBABLY WILL BE SOME DIRT BROUGHT IN
TO FILL THE PADS FOR THE ACTUAL HOUSE PADS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THERE. 
          THERE WILL BE SOME FILL DIRT AS WE CUT THE STREETS IN THAT WE'LL USE FOR PADS. 
          PART OF WHAT WE DO ON CUSTOM HOME LOTS IS ALLOW SELECTIVE FILL OF THOSE PAD SITES TO
ACCOMMODATE A CREATIVE DESIGN FOR A HOME. 
          BUT I IN NO WAY ANTICIPATE WE'RE BRINGING MILLIONS OF YARDS OF DIRT IN HERE TO FILL THIS
SITE. 
          THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. NOW I WILL COMMIT TO I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH
ALL OF THE HIGH STANDARDS OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE WITH REGARDS TO CONSTRUCTION OR OTHERWISE. I WILL SAY WE'D BE WILLING TO LIMIT THE HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION FROM 7 TO 6,
AND WE CAN MAKE THAT A PART OF THE CONSIDERATION FOR OUR CONTRACTS WITH OUR SUBCONTRACTORS. NOW, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE HOUSES MIGHT NOT BE BUILT FOR TEN
YEARS OR OTHERWISE. 
          I'LL BE FRANK WITH YOU. I'M NOT IN CHARGE OF THAT. 
          I DON'T DICTATE THE TERM AND THE TIMELINES FOR BUILDING THESE CUSTOM HOMES. 
          THAT WILL BE A PART OF WHAT? THE CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS THAT DO THIS PROJECT THAT WILL BE ON
THEM. 
          WE WILL CERTAINLY BUILD THIS AS QUICKLY AND AS EFFICIENTLY AS WE CAN AND COMPLY WITH THE
HIGH STANDARDS OF THE CITY. 
          BUT I WOULD COMMIT THAT WE WOULD REGULATE THE TIMES THAT OUR CONTRACTORS COULD BE THERE
FOR THE BUILDING OF THE SUBDIVISION FROM SEVEN TO, SAY, 5 OR 6 P.M., WHATEVER THE COUNCIL SEES FIT TO TO DO. 
          WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT AS WELL, TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE IN THE
EVENING AND ALL THAT. 
          I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR EITHER STAFF
OR THE APPLICANT? I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION OUT HERE. WE'RE LOT SIX. 
          IS THE DRAWING WE'RE SHOWING THERE. IS THAT LIKE A TANK OR WHATEVER THAT'S OVER THERE IN
THAT GENERAL AREA WHERE THE 572 LINE IS? LOT SIX, I BELIEVE THAT'S A LOAFING SHED, SIR. 
          LET ME GO BACK TO THE AERIAL PICTURE HERE. WELL,
THE ONE YOU HAD WITH THE TOPO WAS THE BETTER ONE. 
          THAT'S THE ONE YOU SEE IT ON. GO BACK HERE, I APOLOGIZE. NO,
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY YOU SEE THAT? YEAH. THAT'S NOT A TANK. THAT'S JUST A GRATING. 
          I THINK THERE'S A PAD THAT THEY. A HORSE PADDOCK THAT THEY GRADED THERE. BUT IT'S NOT. IT
DOESN'T HOLD WATER OR ANYTHING PERMANENTLY. OKAY. THANKS. 
          YEAH. YEAH. AND I'M NOT SURE WHO'S BETTER SUITED TO ANSWER IT IF IT'S DENNIS OR YOURSELF,
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU HAD ORIGINALLY SAID THAT THE LOT SIZES WERE GENERALLY ONE ACRE THERE. 
          AND AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH HEARING COMMENTS ABOUT THIS DOESN'T FIT. 
          THIS DOESN'T FIT. I'M THINKING, WELL, BUT IF EVERYTHING'S AN ACRE. 
          AND THEN ONE OF THE LATTER COMMENTS A LADY POINTED OUT THAT,
WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY JUST AN ACRE. 
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MOST OF THE LOTS ARE AT LEAST ONE OF A QUARTER OR ONE AND A HALF IN LARGER. 
          SO COULD YOU MAYBE REVISIT THAT IN COMPARISON WITH THE LOT SIZES AND WHAT'S EXISTING THERE
NOW? YES, MA'AM. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DISPLAY WE HAVE HERE,
THE DARK YELLOW ARE ALL ONE ACRE LOTS. 
          SO THE SUBDIVISION TO THE LEFT. YOU KNOW, I HATE TO BE DISAGREEABLE WITH SOME OF THE
NEIGHBORS, BUT THAT IS EXACTLY A CUL DE SAC THAT COMES OFF OF BOB JONES. 
          THAT GOES TO THE NORTH. I FORGET THE NAME OF THAT STREET. 
          SADDLE BACK OR SADDLE RIDGE. I FORGET WHAT THE NAME IS. 
          I APOLOGIZE, BUT THOSE ARE ALL ONE ACRE LOTS. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE LOT IN THAT SUBDIVISION. THE ONE THAT'S THE LIGHT SHADED LOT,
LOT UP IN THE TOP LEFT THAT'S LARGER THAN ONE ACRE. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE IN THAT SUBDIVISION IS A ONE ACRE LOT ACROSS THE STREET DIRECTLY. 
          THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIGGER. THOSE ARE ONE FOUR,
1315 LOTS. 
          SO THEY ARE A LITTLE DEEPER THAN OUR LOTS WOULD BE. HOWEVER,
I WOULD SAY I'VE BEEN DOING THIS 25 YEARS. 
          I'D BE HARD PRESSED TO DRIVE DOWN THE STREET,
LOOK TO THE LEFT AT A LOT THAT'S WIDER THAN THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, AND TELL YOU ONE IS BIGGER THAN THE OTHER WILL BE WIDER THAN THOSE LOTS TO THE SOUTH. 
          THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE DID WITH OUR DESIGN. THERE ARE A FEW LOTS IN THE AREA. 
          OBVIOUSLY. OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST IS A SEVEN AND A HALF ACRE LOT,
BUT EVERYTHING IN THE DARK YELLOW HERE IN THE VICINITY OF THIS PROJECT IS ONE ACRE LOT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. I'LL STAND BY. YEAH. STAND BY. 
          ALL RIGHT. JUST WE WANT TO KIND OF START DELIBERATING THIS. 
          I MEAN, I GUESS I DON'T WANT TO, I GUESS KICKING IT OFF THE EASY PART. 
          I MEAN, I ENJOYED HEARING ALL THE COMMENTS TONIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I LISTENED TO THE SPIN MEETING SOME. I READ SOME OF THE LETTERS,
AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M SOMEBODY MAYBE SIMILAR TO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE OUT THERE. BEEN HERE 20 SOMETHING YEARS AND LIVED NORTH OF 114. 
          SO I, I LOVE IT UP THERE. AND I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S SPECIAL. 
          I JOG A LOT OF THESE AREAS LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WORK SESSION. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S CERTAINLY A SOMEWHAT UNIQUE PLACE HERE IN DFW. 
          I JUST STRUGGLE TO KIND OF VARY FROM THE LAND USE PLAN THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, BECAUSE I KNOW WE KIND OF USE THAT AS OUR GUIDE IN HERE. 
          WHEN RESIDENTS COME IN AND DEVELOPERS WANT TO CHANGE IT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WE STICK TO PRETTY HARD,
AND I THINK IT JUST KIND OF FLOWS BOTH WAYS. 
          I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY WANTS TO BUY THIS TRACT AND MAKE IT A PART OF A PARK,
YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR IT. BUT YOU KNOW, IF A PRIVATE, YOU KNOW,
PERSON WANTS TO DEVELOP IT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN, I FIND IT HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT, ALBEIT I'D WANT TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT
EARLIER REGARDING FENCING AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE NEIGHBORS WANT ON SIDEWALKS OR NOT,
OR, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF IT, TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WHEN WE GET INTO A
POSITION, WHEN WE START DENYING THESE THINGS, IS WHEN WE START GETTING IN TROUBLE IN AUSTIN. AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT A NUMBER OF BILLS
FILED, FILED WHERE YOU KNOW, THEIR GOAL IS TO KIND OF PUSH BACK ON SOME OF THIS STUFF. 
          SO I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARGUMENT AS WELL. 
          SO, I MEAN, I, I WISH THERE WAS A BETTER ANSWER,
BUT I GUESS I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT, ALBEIT I WANT TO DO IT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TO MAKE IT AS CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA AS POSSIBLE. 
          BUT THAT'S MY $0.02. I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. 
          THIS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE LOOKING AT HALF ACRE OR 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE 20 HOMES IN HERE IF THINGS GO THE WAY
THAT EVERYBODY WANTS IT TO, THAT REALLY LIKE THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO SEEING SOMEBODY COME IN VOLUNTARILY AND DO ONE
ACRE PLUS LOTS IS LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS NEVER WANT TO SEE THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN YOUR POSITION BUT THIS IS WAY BETTER THAN IT
COULD BE. 
          ANYONE ELSE WANT TO WEIGH IN? YEAH. I MEAN, SOUTHLAKE IS ALREADY THE LEAST DENSE POPULATED
COMMUNITY IN ALL OF THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA. I MEAN, WE HAVE THE LARGER, WE HAVE A LARGER LOT. 
          AVERAGE LOT SIZE THAN ANY OTHER COMMUNITY. AND AS AS THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED THERE'S
ACTUALLY PUSHED DOWN FROM AUSTIN TO REQUIRE CITIES TO HAVE SMALLER LOTS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN THE
LAND USE PLAN AND, AND BUILD ONE ACRE LOTS AND THAT THE DEVELOPER IS HAPPY WITH THAT. 
          ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT,
IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO VOTE AGAINST THAT. 
          OKAY. ANY OTHER FEEDBACK? I FEEL LIKE YOU TOUCHED ON PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING,
BUT THE ONE THING THAT I MAYBE WOULD ASK DENNIS, IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO ALLEVIATE THAT BLIND CURVE OR MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SAFER IF THERE
IS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FOR. 
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NO, I THINK I THINK IT'S FINE JUST TO ASK IF THE STAFF KIND OF LOOKS AT THE I MEAN,
ROADS WERE KIND OF BROUGHT UP IN GENERAL, JUST MAYBE IF PUBLIC WORKS I WAS GOING TO PUT IN HERE IN TERMS OF IF WE GO THROUGH A
MOTION AND JUST VARIOUS ITEMS WE CAN INCLUDE WITHIN IT, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THEM JUST PUBLIC WORKS KIND OF,
AGAIN, ROAD CONDITION, MAYBE THE 90 DEGREE TURN THAT'S TALKED ABOUT THERE. 
          I MEAN, AND AGAIN, LOOKING KIND OF FORWARD IN THE FUTURE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN JUST IS
THERE ANYTHING IN THERE NOW THAT WOULD BE CONTEMPLATED TO HELP THAT? COULD THERE BE ANYTHING JUST I MEAN, THOSE THOSE ARE THE ITEMS TO BRING UP NOW SO THAT TO
THE EXTENT IT DOES COME IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL, THAT'S WHAT THEY COULD BE THINKING ABOUT AS WELL,
DEPENDING ON HOW THEY VIEW IT. 
          SO YES, I WAS GOING TO NOTE THAT CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONER. 
          YES. THANKS. OKAY. I'LL NOTE THAT. GO AHEAD. LAURA,
I, I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS. 
          THE MOST COMPELLING ONE TO ME THOUGH, IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT WITH THE WATER LINES
AND THE WATER PRESSURE. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW DENNIS SAID HE'D SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT,
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT I THINK IS IS PARAMOUNT. 
          YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THE TRAFFIC AND THE CONCERNS OF SAFETY. 
          BUT BEING THAT I'M A SOUTH SOUTHLAKE PERSON,
I'M PROBABLY MORE OF THE PROBLEM GOING UP THERE USING THE TRAILHEAD THAN SIX HOMES. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DO THINGS FOR SAFETY AND MITIGATING AND AT LEAST HAVING SOMEBODY
MAKE THE COMMITMENTS, I THINK IS A GOOD SIGN BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE COMING IN TO DO THIS. 
          AND AS YOU POINTED OUT. WE CAN'T BE TOO OVERBEARING BECAUSE THEN SOMEBODY MIGHT TAKE OUR
POWER AWAY FROM US. 
          AND BY LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS. AND A LOT OF THE COMMENTS WERE REALLY TOWARDS NOTHING BEING
DONE. 
          AND I DIDN'T REALLY HEAR ANYTHING THAT HAD SORT OF A COMPROMISE OF,
WELL, HOW ABOUT THREE LOTS OR, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF MITIGATING FACTOR TO DEVELOPING IT. 
          PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE. I'M SORRY,
I SAID I DIDN'T HEAR ANY. 
          I THINK I HEARD ONE PERSON SAY, HOW ABOUT THREE LOTS INSTEAD? BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I HEARD ANYBODY ELSE REALLY BRING A MITIGATING COMMENT. 
          AND IF I DID, IF THERE WERE MORE, THEN IT'S MY FAULT FOR NOT HEARING. 
          SO THAT'S MY COMMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. PHALEN. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THIS AREA. I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET IN CLARENDON RANCH,
AND I WALK UP THIS ROAD ALL THE TIME GOING INTO THE NATURE PRESERVE. 
          IN FACT, WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THIS HOUSE,
MY HUSBAND AND I HAD AN ONGOING ARGUMENT ABOUT, IS THIS ONE HOUSE OR IS THIS A SUBDIVISION? AND I WAS LIKE,
NO, THIS IS ONE HOUSE. 
          HE'S LIKE, NO, IT'S DEFINITELY A SUBDIVISION. I WAS LIKE,
NO, IT'S ONE HOUSE. SO ANYWAY, I MEAN, WE WATCHED THIS BE BUILT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. IT IS A SHAME THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO
SELL IT. BUT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR FUTURE LAND USE OF LOW DENSITY. 
          AS MUCH AS I'D LOVE TO SEE A DEVELOPER COME IN AND PROPOSE MAYBE LESS LOTS THAN WHAT
THEY'RE PROPOSING, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PUSHBACK IN IT,
AS LONG AS THEY'RE MEETING THE ONE ACRE MINIMUM. 
          AND SO YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM COME WITH MAYBE A COUPLE OTHER OPTIONS TO
COUNCIL, BUT I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE COULD REALLY DENY THIS IN MY OPINION. 
          VICE CHAIR. LAST ONE. AND THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO DISAGREE. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD LOOKING CONCEPT. NO RESERVATIONS WITH THE BUILDER,
THE QUALITY OF WORK YOU'VE DONE ON OTHER PROJECTS? I THINK IT'S TOO MANY LOTS. AND I JUST THINK IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT,
BUT NOT FOR THIS LOCATION. 
          AND THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE ABOUT AUSTIN,
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT. 
          I RESPECT IT, BUT I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT WITH REGARD TO AUSTIN,
THEY CAN'T EVEN GET PROPERTY TAXES CORRECT. 
          SO I'M NOT REAL CONFIDENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING CORRECT DOWN THERE. 
          AGAIN, I DON'T MEAN TO BE DISAGREEABLE. I THINK IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT. 
          I JUST THINK IT'S THE WRONG LOCATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WITH THAT, I GUESS, DO YOU WANT TO HELP US CRAFT A MOTION,
OR DO YOU WANT TO? YES, I WILL, I WILL BE KIND ENOUGH TO DRAFT A MOTION AND THEN VOTE AGAINST MY OWN MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. WE ALL KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE LOGISTICS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH,
AND WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          UNDERSTOOD. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, DO YOU KIND OF HAVE I MEAN,
JUST REALLY QUICKLY SOME OF THE KIND OF CAVEATS THAT I WROTE DOWN WERE REGARDING CITY KIND OF CHECKING ON WATER PRESSURE WATER PRESSURE,
NOT JUST CURRENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH ADDITIONAL CAPACITY POTENTIAL NEEDED AND JUST CAPEX PLANS THE ROAD CONDITIONS AND
EXISTING ROAD CONDITIONS AND IF THERE'S ANY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS INTENDED FOR THAT AREA THERE'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON
THE FENCING KIND OF STICKING TO HIS REQUIREMENTS ON THE FENCING 
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AND NO STONE WALLS. AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF THE WHOLE,
YOU KNOW, DRIVEWAY DEPTH. 
          STACKING DEPTH OFF OF. AND I CAN JUST KIND OF AMEND THIS AS YOU GO THROUGH IT IF THERE'S
SOMETHING IN HERE. 
          BUT JUST DRIVEWAY KIND OF DRIVEWAY DEPTH LONG. 
          BOB JONES SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE ON THOSE CARROLL AND DOVE PROPERTIES. 
          AND THEN DEFERRING TO THE RESIDENTS ON THE SIDEWALKS,
I THINK THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE JUST LEAVE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT CHARACTER, BUT JUST DOING THAT. I DON'T KNOW. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING ANY OTHER MITIGANTS. WELL,
DON'T WE WANT TO PUT IN THE RETAINAGE FOR THE SIDEWALKS? SO WHEN THEY GO IN FOR FUTURE USE? YEAH, I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE RIGHT OF WAY
BUT OBVIOUSLY DON'T NEED TO CONSTRUCT THE FUNDS FOR FUTURE SIDEWALKS. YES. CAN'T HURT. ANY OTHER TOPICS? NO. THE TREE. YEAH. NO. TREE. I WAS GOING TO SAY JUST TYING THEM DOWN TO WHAT HE SAID
ABOUT FIVE TREES, BUT AT LEAST SIX INCH CALIPER PLUS. AND THAT WE EXPECT KIND OF A ROBUST LANDSCAPE PLAN
WITH ANY SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR SITE PLAN REQUEST, I GUESS. ANYTHING ELSE? DARK SKY LIGHTING? YEAH. 
          THE SKYLIGHTS. YEAH. AND AGAIN, I DEFER TO RESIDENTS ON THAT. 
          JUST I THINK GENERALLY THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO WANT THEM. 
          WE'LL HAVE A QUESTION. AND I KNOW THIS IS CONCEPT VERSUS ULTIMATE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THAT REQUIRES A MORE DETAILED DRAINAGE
STUDY SINCE IT WAS TALKED ABOUT HOW IT WAS PROBABLY LIDAR. 
          I THINK WE CAN ASK JUST FOR MORE CONTEXT AND MAYBE CITY STAFF TO WEIGH IN ON WHATEVER
MATERIALS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AVAILABLE PRIOR TO ANY NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS. 
          ALSO 7 TO 6 CONSTRUCTION TIME. OH, YES. YEAH,
THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD ONE. 
          DID YOU GET THAT? I WROTE DOWN 7 TO 5. YEAH,
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT DR. 
          SPRINGER. I WROTE I WROTE THAT DOWN TO FIVE. YEAH. 
          OKAY. AND THEN I HAD LOT SEVEN. THE HOUSE NEEDS TO FACE BOB JONES AND THEN THE PERIMETER
FENCING. 
          YES. OKAY. OKAY, LET'S GIVE IT A SHOT. ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S. AND AGAIN, THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED. 
          SO IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND WATCH SOME OF THIS,
IT'LL BE ONLINE PROBABLY I THINK AS SOON AS YOU GET HOME. SO HOPEFULLY WE'VE GOT IT NOTED. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA. 
          ZA 25-0014, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 28TH,
2025. 
          ALSO SUBJECT TO OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER ONE DATED MARCH 7TH,
2025. 
          AND NOTING IN PARTICULAR THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO DO THE SAME FENCING AROUND THE
PERIMETER AS EXISTS CURRENTLY. 
          THAT LOT SEVEN WILL HAVE A HOUSE THAT FACES BOB JONES THAT HE'LL WORK WITH. 
          THE CITY AND THE CITY WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO THE WATER
PRESSURE SERVICING THE AREA THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO FIVE SIX INCH CALIPER TREES ON EACH LOT OR BIGGER. 
          THAT CONSTRUCTION HOURS WILL BE LIMITED FROM 7 TO 5 P.M.,
7 A.M. 
          TO 5 P.M., ACCORDING WITH CITY ORDINANCE. THAT THE. 
          SEE, I CAN'T EVEN READ MY OWN WRITING. NOW, LET'S GO WITH THE CITY WILL PROVIDE MORE
INFORMATION AND CONTEXT ON THE DRAINAGE PLANS THAT THE SKY LIGHTING WILL BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO GOING TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          DEVELOPER AGREES TO DO A RETAINAGE FOR SIDEWALKS. 
          DEVELOPER AGREES TO ADDRESS THE DRIVEWAY DEPTH ON BOB JONES DRIVEWAYS. 
          WHAT ELSE? I CAN'T READ MY WRITING ON THE LAST ONE. 
          THAT'S HOW BAD IT IS. YOU GET THAT LAST ONE,
RIGHT? JUST ALL THE STUFF WE DID ON DOVE AND CARROLL,
JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE DEPTH OF ANY FENCE GATES AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. GO AHEAD. I GET THEM. YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW,
WE'RE RECORDING THIS AGAIN. 
          I THINK STAFF WILL MAKE IF WE LEFT ONE OUT. HOPEFULLY THEY CAN NOTE IT FOR COUNCIL. 
          SO OKAY SO I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          SECOND. OKAY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE PLEASE. 
          OKAY. MOTION PASSES SIX ONE. AND WHAT HAPPENS FROM HERE IS THIS RECOMMENDATION WILL GO TO
CITY COUNCIL. 
          ASSUMING THAT THE DEVELOPER MOVES THE APPLICATION ALONG TO THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED
CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND DENNIS CAN CHECK ME ON THIS. I BELIEVE THAT'S TUESDAY,
APRIL 15TH. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THERE IS IF HE MAKES THE NEXT
MEETING, THAT'S WHEN THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE. THERE'LL BE A NOTICE PERIOD. IT WORKS THE SAME WAY
AS THIS MEETING. YOU CAN COME IN, YOU KNOW, 
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GET GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK, SUBMIT YOUR THOUGHTS. 
          AND THEN THERE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY A SECOND READING AS WELL,
WHICH IF IT LINES UP LIKE THAT WOULD BE MAY 6TH. 
          SO THERE'S A COUPLE MORE MEETINGS IN THE PROCESS AT A MINIMUM DEPENDING ON HOW COUNCIL
VIEWS IT. 
          SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION GOING ON. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT TONIGHT. WE'VE
GOT SOME MORE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, BUT TO THE EXTENT YOU WANT TO CLEAR OUT, FEEL FREE. AND WE'LL KIND OF GIVE IT A SECOND. 
          BEFORE WE GO ON TO ITEM. WE'LL DO STAFF. WE'LL DO ITEM NUMBER NINE NEXT. 
          AND APPRECIATE THE OTHER APPLICANTS BEING PATIENT HERE AND KIND OF WAITING IT OUT. 
          MAYBE WHILE EVERYBODY'S KIND OF CLEARING OUT,
I'LL JUST, STAFF'S OKAY WITH THIS. 
          I'LL JUST GET INTO ITEM NINE. ITEM NINE ON OUR AGENDA IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN
OUTDOOR SALES AND SERVICE SERVICES CALLED 
          [9. Consider: ZA25-0015, Specific Use Permit for Outdoor Sales and Services for Camp Gladiator on property described as Lot 5R, Green Meadow Subdivision, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 800 S. Kimball Ave. Current Zoning: "CS" Community Services District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING ]
CAMP GLADIATOR. SO STAFF, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND COME ON UP AND MAKE YOUR FIRST EVER PRESENTATION TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
MEETING. 
          SO WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION. 
          I'LL BE PRESENTING ITEM NINE. 800 SOUTH KIMBALL AVENUE FOR SPECIFIC USE. 
          PERMIT. THEY ARE REQUESTING AN APPROVAL FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. 
          RENEWAL TO ALLOW FOR OUTDOOR SALES AND SERVICE FOR CAMP GLADIATOR. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FIVE YEAR APPROVAL PERIODS. 
          THIS IS AN AERIAL. IT'S LOCATED OFF OF SOUTH KIMBALL AVENUE AND CROOKED LANE BOULEVARD. 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THIS IS PUBLIC OR SEMIPUBLIC. 
          THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THIS IS COMMUNITY SERVICE DISTRICT. 
          THEY'LL BE USING THE NORTH PARKING LOT FOR THE EVENING WORKOUT CLASSES AND THE SOUTH
PARKING LOT FOR THE MORNING WORKOUT CLASSES. 
          HERE'S A STREET VIEW. HERE'S ANOTHER STREET VIEW. 
          THIS IS CURRENT PHOTOS OF THEIR WORKOUT SESSIONS. 
          THERE'S GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 20 TO 40 MEMBERS THAT ATTEND THE WORKOUT AT THIS
LOCATION. 
          THE PARKING WILL BE AGAIN IN THE DESIGNATED AREAS OF THE NORTH AND SOUTH PARKING LOTS. 
          THE TRAINING TIMES ARE GOING TO RANGE FROM MONDAY TO SATURDAY FROM THE MORNING TO EVENING. 
          THESE ARE THE EQUIPMENT DETAILS FOR WHAT THEY'LL BE USING ON SITE. 
          THIS IS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. THERE'S ONE RESPONSE FROM A RESIDENT THAT'S
UNDECIDED. 
          CITED. THEY JUST WANTED TO REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD REMAIN A RESPECTFUL DISTANCE
FROM THE PROPERTY. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ENTRANCE DUE TO ELEVATED NOISE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I THINK I THINK YOU SAID THEY REQUESTED FIVE YEARS. 
          YES. PREVIOUSLY IN 2020. THEY. OKAY. THAT IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO
ASK. 
          OKAY. THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THANK YOU FOR GOOD. GOOD. SOLID FIRST PRESENTATION. 
          DO YOU MIND COMING UP REAL QUICK? JUST SINCE YOU WAITED OUT THIS LONG,
MAYBE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          FOR THE RECORD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. DOING OUR BEST HERE TO MOVE ALONG
EXPEDITIOUSLY. 
          YEAH. BROOKE NICHOLSON, 111 OAKMONT DRIVE TROPHY CLUB,
TEXAS. 
          BUT I'VE BEEN CG TRAINER HERE FOR 15 YEARS NOW. 
          ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D ADD TO THIS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO, BROOKE, HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMPLAINTS IN THE PAST OR ANY PROBLEMS? WE DID ORIGINALLY, WHICH CAUSED THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT,
BUT I HAVEN'T HAD ANY PERSONAL INTERACTION OR COMPLAINT SINCE THEN. 
          VERY GOOD. THANKS. THANKS. I ACTUALLY USED TO GO TO THIS YEAR'S ABOUT 20 POUNDS AGO AND
SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND TO HER CREDIT AND HER PARTNER'S CREDIT, CAROL,
THEY MADE ME THROW UP SO MANY TIMES BECAUSE OF THE WORKOUT. 
          SO THEY PROVIDE AN OUTSTANDING WORKOUT IF YOU WANT ONE,
AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE IT OUTSIDE. 
          SUDDENLY FEEL EVEN MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ITEM. 
          NOW HEARING ABOUT THAT NO. OKAY. WELL, WE APPRECIATE THE TESTIMONIAL AND THE BOARD. 
          OKAY. WE CLEAN UP THE THROAT. YES. ANY NOTING ALL THIS FOR THE RECORD GETTING RECORDED? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD IF WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THEY REQUESTED FIVE YEARS, I GUESS. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE. 
          ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT? OH, WE DO NEED TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THANK YOU FOR KICKING ME UNDER THE TABLE. SORRY. 
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IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. ITEM NUMBER NINE ON OUR AGENDA IS THE VICE CHAIRMAN. 
          REMINDS ME, DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND
COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME FORWARD NOW. OH, YEAH. 
          NO. OKAY. SURE. YOU BET. SIR. SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE A CARD. 
          BUT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CARDS UP HERE TONIGHT. 
          OKAY. UNDERSTANDABLE. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. 
          I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THAT 2810 BERKSHIRE DRIVE. 
          IT'S THE NOISE. THEY WAKE ME UP EVERY DAY, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO WEAKEN. 
          I DON'T WANT TO SLEEP IN A LITTLE BIT, SO I DON'T WANT THAT RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOME. 
          VERY NOISY. I SHOULD HAVE COME HERE BEFORE. I DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE I WAS TRAVELING, BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO PROTEST. SORRY,
SIR. 
          WHICH HOME? AND WE'VE GOT TWO. WE'VE GOT A HERE. 
          WE'VE GOT A MOUSE AND THAT MOUSE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE,
2810. 
          CAN YOU SEE THE MOUSE ON ON THERE. IF YOU TAKE THAT. 
          OH YOU JUST USE THE ARROW. THAT'S. OOPS. SORRY. 
          HOW DO I GO BACK. STAFF CAN USUALLY HELP US WITH THAT. 
          OKAY, I GOT IT. OKAY. THIS THIS IS THE HOUSE. 
          OH. JUST POINT OUT THIS ONE, OKAY? AND YOU'RE SAYING IT'S THE NOISE IS IN THE MORNING OR
IN THE AFTERNOON? WHENEVER THEY'RE THEY'RE RUNNING MUSIC, THEY'RE,
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING. 
          THING. IT'S NOISY TO ME. OH, AND THAT'S IN THE EVENING. 
          I GUESS THAT SEEMS TO BE DESIGNATED THE EVENING. 
          MORNINGS AND EVENINGS. YEAH. OKAY. THEY HAVE SESSIONS MORNING AND EVENING. 
          OKAY. OKAY. NOW, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT. 
          AND I THINK MY FRIEND RIGHT ACROSS ME TWO, EIGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW, 2809 WHERE I'M POINTING MY MOUSE. 
          HE ALSO FILLED OUT A PROTEST, I THINK. OKAY. OKAY. 
          NO, WE'LL TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT IT. NO,
WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TONIGHT. OKAY. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER NINE REMAINS OPEN FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME
FORWARD AND COMMENT. 
          AND FEEL FREE TO. GO AHEAD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND GET YOUR THREE
MINUTES WORTH AS WELL. 
          SURE. OF COURSE, JUAN CARLOS OROZCO. I'M 107 PARKWAY DRIVE,
AND I'VE BEEN ATTENDING THIS WORK CAMP WORKOUT FOR AROUND 5 OR 7 YEARS NOW. 
          PERSONALLY, WE'VE NOT SEEN OR HEAR ANY COMPLAINTS. 
          OF COURSE THEY WILL NOT COME TO US. PROBABLY I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS
HERE. OKAY. 
          THE 545 AND 630 WORKOUTS ARE HERE ARE DONE IN THIS PART OF THE WORKOUT. 
          THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING OVER HERE AND MOST OF THE PROBABLY NOISE COMES OUT OF
TRAFFIC RUNNING HERE. 
          EITHER PEOPLE COMING TO WORK HERE OR IN THIS AREA. 
          RIGHT. 8:30 A.M. HAPPENS HERE. OKAY. SO IT'S FAR AWAY FROM THE FROM THE BUILDINGS,
AND IT'S AT 8:30 A.M. 
          AND THE 6 P.M. HAPPENS HERE. AND I'VE ATTENDED TO ALL OF THEM. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT SOME CONTEXT ON WHERE THE WORKOUT HAPPENS AND WHAT IT'S OUT. 
          SO MUSIC IS THERE. YEAH, BUT IT IS A VERY MANAGEABLE LEVEL ON MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          WE SOMETIMES DO NOT HEAR THE MUSIC NEARBY WHEN WE'RE DOING BURPEES AND THROWING UP. 
          YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE THERE. OKAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THAT
CONTEXT. 
          PARKING. WHEN WE COME IN, IT'S EITHER THROUGH THE THROUGH THE CHURCH. 
          AND THEN WE PARK OVER HERE. RIGHT. THAT'S AT 630 AND 545. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC DATA. BUT TRAFFIC COMES FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING IN
THIS AREA, AS WELL AS PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE STREET WHEN THEY ARE EITHER DROPPING THE KIDS OR GOING
ON REALLY, REALLY EARLY. RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. 
          OKAY. I'M HEARING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE REMAINS OPEN FOR ANYONE WHO'D
LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. 
          AND SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE IT. 
          MY SUGGESTION MIGHT BE AND WE COULD ALWAYS CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP,
BUT MY SUGGESTION MIGHT BE IF WE IF WE DO WANT TO MAYBE APPROVE IT CONTINGENTLY WITH THE APPLICANT,
SPEAKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS BEFORE ANYTHING APPROACHES CITY COUNCIL AND MAYBE COMING UP WITH A SOME KIND OF CONTINGENCY MITIGATION PLAN TO POTENTIALLY AND NOT TO TRY TO SIT HERE
AT THIS VERY MOMENT IN TIME AND TRY AND LEGISLATE ALL THOSE DETAILS,
BUT MEET WITH MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS MAYBE UNDERSTAND MAYBE IF THERE'S ANOTHER AREA THAT COULD BE UTILIZED AT CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY AND,
OR THE ASSOCIATED NOISE WITH EACH WORKOUT IF THERE'S A BETTER SOLUTION. SO MAYBE, I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO IDEAS,
BUT MAYBE IF WE NOTE THAT IN THE MOTION THAT IT'S KIND OF, 
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AT LEAST FOR ME, WOULD BE CONTINGENT SUPPORT BASED ON THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENING. 
          ARE YOU PART OF THE APPLICANT, MA'AM? YEAH. OKAY. 
          AND HERE AND JUST HERE. SORRY. NONE OF THIS IS RECORDED FOR PUBLIC RECORD UNLESS YOU'RE IN
FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE. 
          SO WE NEED TO GET YOUR NAME AND BUXAR. I'M 5906 LANSFORD LANE IN COLLIERVILLE,
AND I BELIEVE I HEARD THE PERSON WHO SPOKE IN OBJECTION TO THE WORKOUT TALK ABOUT WORKOUTS ON WEEKENDS. 
          WORKOUTS DO NOT OCCUR AT THIS LOCATION ON WEEKENDS. 
          JUST FOR A SECOND. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. LET'S NOT TRY TO LEGISLATE ALL
THESE DETAILS RIGHT NOW. WE'RE JUST SAYING WE WOULD CONTINGENCY SO THAT YOU CAN WORK OUT ALL THOSE DETAILS. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO. 
          WELL ANYTIME YOU'RE OUTDOORS AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW,
USING AND YOU'RE USING A PA SYSTEM OR NOISE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE CLOSE BY ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY IT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, AS THE OTHER GENTLEMAN SAID, THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER NOISE GOING ON AROUND
THERE AND THERE. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, SINCE THEY'RE DOING THE MORNING SESSION AS FAR AWAY AS THEY CAN FROM
ANYBODY ELSE. 
          IT SOUNDED LIKE I MEAN, I THOUGHT I HEARD MAYBE THERE WAS AN 8 A.M. 
          SESSION OVER THERE OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY RATHER THAN JUST KIND OF WORK THIS
MAYBE THIS MAP IS 100% CORRECT. 
          LET'S WORK IT OUT. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT STAYING,
YOU KNOW, KEEPING EVERYTHING DOWN AS FAR AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS AS POSSIBLE IS THE ANSWER. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY. YEAH. 
          YEAH, CERTAINLY IF IT'S NOISY, FOR SURE. YEAH. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? I'M OPEN TO. NO, I MEAN, I, I THINK THEY JUST NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION
BECAUSE COUNCIL WILL ASK ABOUT IT AND YEAH, I DON'T I MEAN THEY WANT TO HOLD IT UP AND THEN HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN AND
AGAIN. BUT YOU KNOW KIND OF YOUR HOMEWORK RELATIVE TO THE NEIGHBOR AND THE RESIDENT. AND THEN THE APPLICATION AND COUNCIL CAN PROBABLY SORT OUT IF YOU'VE MADE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT
TO TRY TO TRY TO HELP WITH THAT. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN THERE 15 YEARS. SO IT'S IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S SOMETHING NEW. 
          AND THOSE HOUSES HAVE BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE TOO. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THOUGHTS? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY,
AND THIS MIGHT ALREADY BE BEING DONE, BUT TO FACE THE PA SYSTEM SPEAKER WHATEVER AWAY BECAUSE IT'S IT COULD BE A SOUND CARRYING
ISSUE. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S KIND OF A MAYBE A TAGLINE TO MAKE SURE THE THE SYSTEM IS FACED AWAY. 
          OKAY. YEAH. NO, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY I MEAN,
IT SOUNDED LIKE MAYBE THE MAYBE THE, THE APPLICANT HERE MAYBE WASN'T FULLY AWARE THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE. SO THERE PROBABLY MAY BE SOME LOW HANGING FRUIT HERE IN TERMS OF WAYS
TO, TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. IS MY HOPE. SO WE'LL INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION. 
          EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT LAUNCH FORWARD WITH A MOTION BY THE VICE CHAIR. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. 
          ITEM NUMBER NINE ON OUR AGENDA IS THE 25 0015,
SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 28TH 2025, AND ALSO SUBJECT TO THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED MARCH
28TH, 2025, AND NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT WILL SPEAK WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO DISCUSS SOUND
MITIGATION DURING THE CLASS TIMES, AND IN PARTICULAR, WHETHER THERE'S A WAY TO FACE THE SPEAKERS IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND
THAT THAT CONVERSATION WILL HAPPEN BEFORE ANY POTENTIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          YES. PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL. YOU HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. LET'S VOTE. PLEASE. 
          ALL RIGHT. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. GOOD LUCK AGAIN AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING,
WHICH IS I'VE ALREADY LOST THE DATE. 
          APRIL 15TH, I BELIEVE. SO. TUESDAY. SO I KNOW ONE OF THOSE NIGHTS. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE. 
          WE'LL COME BACK DOWN TO ITEMS SIX AND SEVEN. WE'LL TAKE TOGETHER SIX AMENDMENT TO THE CITY
OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE 
          [Items 6 & 7]
PLAN ELEMENT AS SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ITEM SEVEN ZONING CHANGE DEVELOPMENT PLAN
FOR 1835 SHADY OAKS. 
          AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO FRAME THIS AND STAFF, MAYBE IF YOU CAN KIND OF HELP ME WITH THIS. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK AS WE ALL KNOW, AND IF YOU KIND OF TUNED INTO THE LAST MEETING WE
LEGISLATED THIS ONE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND I THINK WE REACHED A AN UNDERSTANDING THAT SEEMED TO BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE APPLICANT,
ACCEPTABLE TO ALL THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS, BUT IT VARIED A LITTLE BIT RELATIVE TO WHAT WAS FORMALLY PRESENTED. 
          AND SO, JUST IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION WE WANTED THE STAFF WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
NOTICED EVERYONE FOR THE KIND OF THE TWEAK WE MADE TO THE PLAN. 
          SO WE'VE LARGELY KIND OF LEGISLATED A LOT OF THIS. 
          I MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S NOT ANY MEANINGFUL CHANGE TO THE APPLICATION THAT'S BEING
PRESENTED THIS EVENING VERSUS WHAT WE SAW THE VERSION WE TALKED THROUGH LAST MEETING. 
          AND THEN I BELIEVE STAFF HAS TOLD ME, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT EITHER,
THAT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY NEW KIND OF FEEDBACK RELATIVE TO THIS APPLICATION OR THE 
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RESIDENTS. SO I THINK EVERYTHING IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH THE DISCUSSION WE LEFT OFF ON
LAST TIME. 
          SO I THINK REALLY JUST TRYING TO HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS REALLY QUICKLY,
JUST AS A QUICK REMINDER, SINCE WE KIND OF ALREADY GOT YOU SPEED, RUN THROUGH ALL THE ALL THE DETAILS AND FOCUS ON
THE NEW STUFF. 
          OKAY, SO LOOKING AT A LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT AND ZONING CHANGE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 1835
SHADY OAKS. 
          SO AERIAL VIEW. AS YOU ALL HAVE SEEN BEFORE,
FUTURE LAND USE IS LISTED AS OFFICE COMMERCIAL. 
          THE OPTIONAL LAND USE CATEGORY OVERLAY THAT WE HAVE IS MULTI-TENANT OFFICE THAT IS
INTENDED TO BE 2 TO 4 STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS COULD BE SPECULATIVE OR BUILT TO SUIT, IDEALLY LOOKING FOR 50,000FT² OR LARGER AND EITHER A PARK OR A STANDALONE TYPE
CONFIGURATION. 
          ZONING IS AGRICULTURE CURRENTLY. SO HERE IS THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT IS BEING
PROPOSED. 
          SHIFT FROM OFFICE COMMERCIAL TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ON THAT NORTHERN PORTION,
AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ON THAT SOUTHERN PORTION BORDERING SHADY OAKS. SO HERE IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN DATA SUMMARY CHART. 
          SO 29 LOTS 21, JUST OVER 21 ACRES. TREE CONSERVATION ANALYSIS FOR REFERENCE AS WELL. 
          STREET VIEW FROM SHADY OAKS FROM THE FRONTAGE OF 114. 
          SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. SO WE'VE RECEIVED A LETTER IN SUPPORT FROM 1816 SHADY OAKS
AND THIS PROPERTY UP HERE. 
          THE ADDRESS I'M BLANKING ON HAS EXPRESSED OPPOSITION. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE. 
          OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THE BRIEF PRESENTATION. 
          GO AHEAD AND INVITE THE APPLICANT UP. AND I GUESS MAYBE IT'S OKAY. 
          CAN WE SKIP ANY FORMAL PRESENTATION HERE AND JUST DO Q&A? IS THAT. NO PROBLEM, MR. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONERS,
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. 
          AS YOU FRAMED IT, NOTHING IS SUBSTANTIVE. WHO ARE YOU AGAIN? AND WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? I'M JOHN HUFFMAN. I'M FROM 1991 EAST HIGHLAND STREET IN
SOUTHLAKE. 
          AS YOU SAID, NOTHING MUCH HAS CHANGED FROM WHAT YOU ALL SAW. 
          I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE OPEN QUESTION THAT WE CHEWED ON A LITTLE BIT LAST TIME,
AND THAT IS THE ACCESS UNDER THE 114 HIGHWAY HERE. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY GATING IT AND MAKING IT IN AND OUT ONLY FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          TALKED ABOUT CLOSING IT. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU,
WE'RE AMBIVALENT AND WE'LL ACCEPT DIRECTION ON THAT FROM YOU GUYS AND COUNCIL. 
          SO IN THE INTEREST OF BREVITY, LET ME OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. 
          NO. THAT'S PERFECT. AND JUST A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS. SO THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY CHANGE IN THE
LOCK COUNT? NO. 
          SINCE LAST TIME. ALL THE LOTS ARE. I WAS READING IT RIGHT. 
          18,000 SQUARE FOOT AND LARGER. IS THAT CORRECT? AVERAGE LOT SIZE, I THINK 23. NINE OR 20 OR 23? THREE. OKAY. AND THEN THE DETENTION AREA, KIND OF IN THE SPIRIT OF,
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING NOW THAT WILL BE FUNCTION AS AN AMENITY AREA AS WELL. CORRECT. THAT'S THE INTENTION. 
          YES, SIR. NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, A BIG PIT. YOU KNOW,
IT'S OKAY. 
          I THINK WE TALKED LAST TIME ABOUT DIGGING A LITTLE DEEPER,
MAKING IT RETENTION AND MAKING, TRYING TO ENTICE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A INVITING FEEL FOR THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. AND I GUESS I, I'D LIKE TO SEE,
I GUESS, AS IT MOVES FORWARD, BECAUSE PART OF THE REASON THAT THIS IS, I THINK BEING SUPPORTED BY RESIDENTS IS THAT THERE'S THE FEELING THAT THERE WOULD BE
MEANINGFULLY MORE TREE PRESERVATION UNDER THIS APPROACH VERSUS THE CURRENT LAND USE. 
          SO I GUESS I'D LIKE TO SEE KIND OF WHAT A A LANDSCAPE PLAN OR SORRY,
A TREE. 
          I NEVER SAY THIS STUFF RIGHT, BUT A TREE BASICALLY SHOW US KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE SAVING
TREES, WHAT KIND OF WHERE THE BUILDING PADS WOULD BE. 
          I MEAN, BEST EFFORTS WORK WITH STAFF. I MEAN,
OF COURSE, GIVE US A LITTLE BETTER IDEA THERE ON THAT. 
          ONE OF THE OTHER CONCEPTS THAT CAME UP, I KNOW WAS BROUGHT UP BY ONE OF THE OTHER
COMMISSIONERS IN OUR WORK SESSION WAS ALONG 114. 
          I THINK THERE WAS THE GENERAL FEELING, MAYBE NOT UNANIMOUS,
BUT GENERAL FEELING THAT HAVING A BIG KIND OF LARGE CONCRETE WALL ALONG THERE WAS NOT THE MOST ESTHETICALLY PLEASING CONCEPT. SO TALKING THROUGH KIND OF WHAT A A CONSISTENT
FENCE SOLUTION WOULD BE THROUGH THERE. THERE WOULD BE MANAGED BY THE HOA,
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MANAGED OVER TIME SO THAT AS TIME PASSED, WE MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD BE KEPT IN GOOD CONDITION AND CONSISTENT CONDITION,
AND THEN ALSO A LANDSCAPE PLAN ALONG THERE JUST TO FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT IT WILL LOOK AS GREEN AS I THINK WE ALL HOPE IT WOULD. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES I AGREE. OKAY. WHAT AM I LEAVING OFF,
COMMISSIONERS? WELL, WE WE EXPRESSED, I THINK, THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE OR NOT WANT THAT CUL DE SAC OPEN TO
THE HIGHWAY, THAT IT BE INTERNAL. IT WOULD JUST TO KEEP FROM EVER HAVING THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMEBODY
CRASHING THE GATE AND RUNNING THROUGH THERE. 
          [02:00:03]
YEAH, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. YEAH. WE'LL BE. YEAH,
THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'LL TAKE FOR SURE. 
          OKAY. I ACTUALLY THOUGHT OF A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. 
          ONE, THAT WITH THIS LAND USE CHANGE, BUT I THINK WE BAKE IT INTO THE ZONING. 
          MOTION THAT THE LAND USE CHANGE WILL NOT IMPACT THE TRACK IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST IN TERMS
OF ANY ADDITIONAL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, ANY ADDITIONAL 4 TO 1 SLOPE REQUIREMENTS. 
          GIVEN THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DISADVANTAGE THAT TRACK RELATIVE TO A REQUEST BY THIS TRACK. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY FAIR. AND WE'LL AGREE TO THAT. 
          OKAY. OKAY. THERE'S THAT. AND THEN I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF THE
GENESIS, GENESIS OF THIS CASE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS JUST WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD LOOK LIKE
UNDER THE CURRENT LAND USE PLAN. 
          AND I KNOW IT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, NOT WHAT YOU'RE SUPPORTING,
NOT WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WANT, BUT I GUESS, DID YOU I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT JUST PUTTING TOGETHER KIND OF A ROUGH, YOU KNOW, DRAWING OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          DO YOU HAVE THAT OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SHOW. 
          WE DO AND I'M YEAH, WE DO. WE PUT TOGETHER AFTER Y'ALL MADE THAT COMMENT LAST MEETING. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU WANT ME JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I MEAN,
I KNOW NOBODY HERE IS ADVOCATING FOR THAT, OR I DON'T THINK ADVOCATING FOR THAT, BUT I JUST I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE THE GENESIS OF
THIS CONCEPT. 
          AND I KNOW YOU PROBABLY NEED TO HERE COMES A MAN. 
          THAT'S BETTER. ONE SECOND. IT HAS GOT TO CHIME IN ON THIS. 
          CURTIS. HOW YOU PUT UP WITH ME? I DIDN'T EVEN NEED YOUR HELP. 
          CURTIS. HOW ABOUT THAT? YEAH. REMEMBER THAT ON THE INVOICE FOR TONIGHT? HAVE A SEAT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. AGAIN, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE
PROPOSING. 
          WE DON'T WANT THIS. NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT THIS. 
          NO. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS HOPEFULLY CONSISTENT WITH,
AGAIN, WHAT WE HEARD. 
          AND WE WANTED TO SPARE THE NEIGHBORS TO COME BACK OUT AGAIN. 
          YEAH. SO. SO THIS THIS PLAN, WE BELIEVE, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN,
WHICH IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL. 
          YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT'S A SEA OF OFFICE. IT'S A SEA OF PARKING. 
          I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. COMPLETELY
INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE CITY HAS SAID FOR YEARS THAT WE WANT ON 114. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE WHY WE'RE PROPOSING A RESIDENTIAL PLAN. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS THE ATTRIBUTES THE NEIGHBORS WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS
MORE TREE PRESERVATION, LESS TRAFFIC. YEAH. AND KIND OF EFFECTIVELY A DOWN ZONING OF THE PROPERTY,
FOR SURE. 
          OKAY. YEAH. NO INTEREST IN THIS. OKAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE PEOPLE WANTED? OKAY. I THINK THAT'S GOOD. I MEAN, I GUESS AS I KIND OF OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING,
I MEAN, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD FROM ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE WE GOT, I KNOW I GOT IT BY EMAIL THAT, AGAIN, THE POSITION OF THE NEIGHBOR,
THE NEIGHBORS HAS NOT CHANGED. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SPARE THEM ANOTHER MEETING IN THE PROCESS. 
          GIVEN THAT THERE'S ABOUT TO BE TWO MORE ON THIS ONE AS WELL. 
          I DO AS I FORMALLY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR JUST TO MAKE SURE VICE CHAIRMAN KEEPS ME ON
MY P'S AND Q'S HERE. 
          ITEM SIX AND SEVEN THIS EVENING. I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD AGAIN FROM MIKE MILLS,
WHO I GUESS WANTS TO, GRAB THE MICROPHONE AGAIN HERE, SO WE'LL LET HIM TALK. 
          AND IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO COME DOWN AFTER THIS SPEAKER GETS HIS UP TO THREE MINUTES
WORTH PLEASE FEEL FREE TO BE READY. 
          SEE IF I CAN KEEP IT SHORT. MIKE MILLS, WE OWN THE PROPERTY ADJACENT. 
          YOU PRETTY MUCH SAID EVERYTHING THAT YOU KNOW,
I THINK WE WANT, WHICH IS JUST. 
          WE SUPPORT THE PROJECT. WE WANT THE NEIGHBORS TO BE HAPPY,
AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SETBACKS OR RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, FROM CHANGING IT FROM HOW IT IS. OKAY. 
          THANKS. NO, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND
SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? GO AHEAD. SIR. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. COME ON UP. 
          HI, I'M MARCY PETERS. I LIVE AT 1816 SHADY OAKS DRIVE. 
          I'M THE ONE THAT IS IN FAVOR OF THIS ONE THING. 
          I WILL SAY THAT WE DIDN'T. YOU DIDN'T MENTION INVENTION INITIALLY IS THAT SHADY OAKS
SUBDIVISION OR GARDEN COURT? WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF A BARRIER OF ONE FOUR AGAINST 114 FOR SOUND. 
          I KNOW THAT THE ESTHETICALLY PLEASING TALL WALL ISN'T WHAT SOUTHLAKE WANTS,
BUT AS FAR AS KNOCKING OUT ALL THESE TREES AND THERE ALREADY BEING A LARGE SOUND ISSUE,
WE WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THERE BE SOME TYPE OF FIX. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT WE'D LIKE TO PUT THAT ON NOTE. THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO
SAY IS WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A 50 FOOT SETBACK FROM SHADY OAKS TO THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME UP AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM THIS EVENING? OKAY. YES, SIR. THAT'S RIGHT. SORRY. SORRY. THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT THIS EVENING AND
KIND OF WAITING IT OUT. 
          YEAH. YOU DIDN'T LET US GO FIRST. I'M JOHN SPIER,
I'M 509 FOX GLEN. 
          [02:05:07]
AND WE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS WE CERTAINLY WANT RESIDENTIAL. 
          WE THINK THAT THEY'VE PRETTY MUCH A LITTLE SMALLER LOTS THAN YOU MIGHT EXPECT,
BUT THAT'S HAPPENING A LOT AROUND SOUTH LAKE. 
          IF THEY CAN USE THAT AREA FOR SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES OFF OF THE SERVICE ROAD,
I THINK WE WOULD ALL PREFER THAT THAT WAY. 
          IT PRESERVES SHADY OAKS FROM, YOU KNOW, DETERIORATING THE CONCRETE ANYMORE OR THE ASPHALT. 
          SO IF THEY CAN USE THAT FOR AN ENTRANCE FOR ALL OF THEIR EQUIPMENT,
THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          AND WE'VE ALWAYS SAID AGAIN THAT WE LOVE THE ENTRANCE ALIGNING WITH GARDEN COURT. 
          AND SAVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE. AND A TALL WALL. 
          WE WOULD ECHO THAT TO SOME TYPE OF SOUND MITIGATION. 
          WHATEVER COULD BE DONE THERE. WITH THE CONTINUED GROWTH OF THE COUNTY AND THE TRAFFIC ON
114. 
          BUT WE SUPPORT THE PROJECT, SO. THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          NO, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. THANK YOU FOR THE LONG NIGHT. AND THANK YOU FOR THE
PATIENCE. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COME OUT AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? PLEASE COME FORWARD. OTHERWISE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND MAYBE WHAT I WOULD ASK OF THE APPLICANT WE COULD NOTE IN THERE IS THAT WHILE A,
MAYBE A LARGE, HUGE CONCRETE WALL IS NOT DESIRED. CAN THEY INVESTIGATE MAYBE KIND OF A ANY KIND OF MIDDLE
GROUND? I MEAN, IT'S NOT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE. MAYBE IT'S A 10 FOOT OR 12 FOOT,
BUT IT LOOKS NICE. 
          I MEAN, BASICALLY WE WANT I THINK WE WANT THE BEST COMBO OF ESTHETICALLY PLEASING,
RIGHT. 
          AND AS MUCH OF A NOISE BARRIER AS POSSIBLE, WHICH I'M ASSUMING THE OWNERS OF THOSE LOTS
ARE GOING TO WANT AS WELL. 
          ABSOLUTELY. I THINK INTERESTS ARE ALIGNED ON THAT. WE'LL DO SOME RESEARCH AND PROPOSE SOME
OPTIONS FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC FOR CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN HOPEFULLY BOUNCE IT OFF THE NEIGHBORS AHEAD OF TIME JUST TO GET SOME
FEEDBACK THERE. 
          YOU GOT IT. AND I DO LIKE THE IDEA. AND I DON'T YOU KNOW,
I'M NOT GOING TO MAYBE PRECISELY PIN YOU DOWN ON IT NOW, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT MORE OF THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC CAN UTILIZE 114 RATHER THAN LESS, IF IT'S AT LEAST HALF THE TRAFFIC ACCESSING IT,
IF NOT MORE, I THINK MAYBE JUST INVESTIGATE THAT IDEA AS WELL. 
          I THINK THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I SCRIBBLED. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT? BECAUSE, I MEAN, MAYBE EVERYONE HAS A DEFINITION OF WHAT A NOISE WALL IS. 
          AND WHEN I HEAR THAT PHRASE, I THINK OF SOMETHING TXDOT WOULD BUILD,
WHICH IS, I THINK MAYBE WHAT WE DEFINITELY WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE. 
          SO ANOTHER ASPECT OF THAT WOULD BE THE MAINTENANCE,
BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN IT CAN BECOME A MAINTENANCE ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE LANDSCAPING,
TOO. BECAUSE THEN HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN THE WALL IF YOU'VE ALREADY PLANTED TREES TO BUFFER IT AS WELL? SO I THINK MAYBE JUST A MEETING OF THE MINDS OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE. 
          YOU GOT IT. WE'LL PROPOSE SOME OPTIONS TO COUNCIL. GOOD COMMENT. PLEASE DO. 
          AND THEN I FORGOT. SO I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING I FORGOT THE 50 FOOT OFF OF SHADY OAK IS
NOT. 
          NOT A PROBLEM. WE'LL MOVE THAT. I THINK IT'S 40 NOW. WE'LL MOVE IT TO 50. OKAY. 
          NO. THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. THAT'S PERFECT. ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH. NOT TO BE NOT TO REPEAT, BUT I'M GOING TO REPEAT. 
          THE SOUND BARRIER WALLS, THEY JUST DON'T WORK. 
          IT'S JUST A FACT. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS KIND OF THING FOR A LONG TIME,
AND. 
          AND THEY DON'T WORK IN PARTICULAR WHEN. WHEN IT'S ONLY A SMALL SECTION OF WALL RELATIVE TO
THE REST OF THE AREA ALONG 114. 
          SO WHAT WOULD BE BETTER? AND WOULD, WOULD WORK AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOME ESTHETIC
CONTENT WOULD BE TO HAVE A HEAVIER PLANTING OF TREES AND WHATNOT THAT WOULD GROW FAST AND CREATE GREEN, AND THAT IN ITSELF WILL DO A BETTER JOB OF MITIGATING NOISE IN
ADDITION TO BEING MORE ESTHETICALLY PLEASING. 
          SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN MAYBE TALK ABOUT DOING SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          YES, SIR. WE'LL DO OKAY. YEAH. PLEASE INVESTIGATE THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, MAYBE YOU CAN BOUNCE OFF THE NEIGHBORS AHEAD OF TIME. I THINK THAT WOULD BE
HELPFUL. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE APPLICANT? ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO NOTE IN A MOTION? I THINK WE'RE GOOD WITH YOU,
SIR. 
          THANK YOU, SIR, FOR COMING OUT. I SUPPOSE WE'RE PROBABLY GOOD FOR A MOTION NOW. 
          DO WE WANT THE COMMENT ABOUT THE 50 FOOT SETBACK ON SHADY OAKS THAT WOULD GO IN THE ZONING
CHANGE, RIGHT? I THINK THEY ALSO WOULD. YES. THEY ALL GO IN THE ZONING. 
          REALLY? ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU'VE DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW WOULD GO WITH THE ZONING CHANGE
YOU MENTIONED ACCEPTING THE APPLICANT'S COMMITMENT TO DO SOMETHING REGARDING TO OR PUTTING A CONDITION THAT THE
RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY NOT IMPACT THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST. AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE ZONING AS WELL. 
          YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO EVERYTHING IN THE ZONING. 
          YES, YES. OKAY. LAND USE PLAN WOULD BE ONE MOTION. 
          AND IF YOU'RE ACCEPTING OF THE CHANGE THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING AND THEN MAKE A,
YOU KNOW, TAKE YOUR SEPARATE ACTION ON THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH 
          [02:10:07]
CONDITIONS THAT YOU'VE DISCUSSED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA,
CP 25 0001, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 28TH, 2025. I HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. LET'S VOTE PLEASE. SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          NOW FOR THE NEXT MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN
ON OUR AGENDA. 
          ZA 25-0005, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 28TH,
2025. 
          ALSO SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED MARCH 28TH,
2025, NOTING THE. 
          CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICATION OR THE APPROVAL WILL NOT AFFECT THE TRACK TO THE WEST. 
          NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE TRACK TO THE WEST WITH RESPECT TO SETBACKS,
SLOPES AND RELATED ZONING ISSUES. 
          ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO MAKE THE SETBACK OFF OF SHADY OAKS 50FT INSTEAD
OF 40. 
          NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO INVESTIGATE,
UTILIZING THE ENTRANCE OFF 114 IS A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE. 
          ALSO NOTING THAT PLANNING ZONING DOES NOT PREFER TO HAVE THE GATE OPEN TO RESIDENT ACCESS
ON 114. 
          NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TREE
DETAILS, ESPECIALLY RELATED OR ALONG THE LINES OF 114. 
          ALSO NOTING PLANNING AND ZONING PREFERENCE FOR A CONSISTENT FENCE SOLUTION ON 114 THAT
WOULD BE MADE BY THE HOA AS WELL AS INVESTIGATING VEGETATION AND TREES ALONG 114 AS OPPOSED TO A SOUND BARRIER WALL,
BUT FURTHER INVESTIGATING SOLUTIONS FOR SOUND MITIGATION BEYOND THAT AS WELL. 
          WOW. ANYTHING ELSE? MOTION. DID YOU HAVE A SECOND? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. OKAY. OH. 
          114. SORRY. SORRY. HOLD UP. YES. YES, SIR. OKAY. 
          GOT IT. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. SHOULDN'T DOUBTED YOU. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAD A SECOND. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE,
PLEASE. 
          PASSES SIX ONE. AND JUST REALLY QUICK FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          I THINK THAT MEANS ASSUMING THE APPLICANT MOVES THIS ALONG TO THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL
MEETING, WHICH I'M LOOKING FOR A NOD OF THE HEAD I AM. 
          I'M GETTING IT. THAT WILL BE TUESDAY, APRIL 15TH. 
          THERE WILL BE A SUBSEQUENT SECOND READING IF THAT OCCURS ON MAY 6TH. 
          I JUST EMPHASIZE TO YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A NIGHT
OFF TONIGHT BECAUSE WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY HASHED IT OUT AT OUR LAST MEETING, BUT VERY MUCH SO. HAVE YOUR FELLOW RESIDENTS SHOW UP AND VOICE THEIR OPINIONS AT THAT MEETING,
BECAUSE WHEN WE CHANGE THE LAND USE PLAN, THAT'S SERIOUS. AND COUNCIL, I THINK, VERY MUCH TAKES IT SERIOUSLY AND WANTS TO KNOW,
MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AND RESIDENTS THINK. 
          THERE'LL PROBABLY BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL SHOW UP AND SHARE THEIR OPINION,
WHICH IS FINE, BUT THEY VERY MUCH NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING. SO PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE PUT THOSE DATES IN YOUR CALENDAR AND DO YOUR
BEST TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. 
          SO WITH THAT, AT 8:47 P.M., WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.