[00:00:02] >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO [1. Call to order. ] OUR SOUTH LAKE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR APRIL 15, 2025. MY NAME IS SEAN MCCASKILL, AND AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE, I CALL OUR MEETING TO ORDER. IT'S 5: 33. WELCOME, WE HAVE A BIG CROWD, WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON TONIGHT, REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS, BUT REALLY AN EXCITING WORK SESSION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER RONELL SMITH FOR HIS SIX YEARS OF SERVICE ON CITY COUNCIL, 10 PLUS YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY IN A VOLUNTEER ROLE. WE'RE GOING TO GET TO HIM IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, BUT AS ALWAYS, WE START OFF OUR MEETINGS WITH A WORD OF PRAYER FROM PASTOR CLAYTON RED FROM SOUTH LAKE BAPTIST CHURCH, WHO IS ALSO OUR CITY'S OFFICIAL CHAPLAIN. IF YOU WOULD STAND, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO JOIN US IN PRAYER, AND THEN WE'LL ALSO DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE PLEDGE TO TEXAS. PASTOR REID. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A QUICK REMINDER THAT MAY THE 1ST IS THE SOUTH LAKE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. LOCAL CHURCHES PUT THAT ON, YOU'RE ALL INVITED. IT STARTS AT SIX, AND IT LASTS FOR ONE HOUR, AND IT'LL BE A LOT OF OUR KIDS FROM SCHOOLS AND PASTORS IN THE AREA PRAYING TOGETHER FOR OUR CITY. LET'S PRAY TOGETHER. LORD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS TO US, THANK YOU FOR THIS EVENING. LORD, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, PARTLY TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE LONG AND GOOD SERVICE OF RONELL SMITH. THANK YOU FOR HIS SERVICE TO OUR CITY. THANK YOU FOR PEOPLE LIKE HIM WHO LOVE TO SERVE, AND WE PRAY BLESSING OVER HIM, AND WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS HIM BECAUSE OF WHAT HE'S DONE THESE YEARS. THANK YOU FOR HIS FAMILY. WE PRAY FOR HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTERS. WE JUST ASK GOD THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THAT TEAM AND GIVE THEM STRENGTH AND GRACE AND HELP. WE ALSO LOOK FORWARD AND WE PRAY FOR SAFETY IN OUR CITY OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AS WE HAVE ART IN THE SQUARE. WE PRAY BLESSING UPON THAT EVENT, AND WE PRAY LORD THAT YOU WOULD KEEP OUR CITY SAFE, AND IT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL TIME FOR OUR FAMILIES TO COME TOGETHER AND TO ENJOY THE CREATIVENESS OF PEOPLE. THANK YOU, ALSO, LORD, FOR HOLY WEEK, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THIS WEEK THAT YOU'RE A GOOD GOD. WE ACKNOWLEDGE AS WE LOOK AT THE CROSS, THE PENALTY AND THE HORROR OF SIN, BUT WE ALSO LOOK TO SUNDAY AND WE GIVE THANKS BECAUSE OF THE EMPTY TOMB, WE KNOW THERE'S HOPE AND GRACE AND HELP FOR US IN OUR STORIES. WE PRAY LORD AS A CITY THAT THIS WEEK WE WALK AND WE REMEMBER, BUT WE ALSO REJOICE. WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THIS MEETING, BLESS EVERY PERSON WHO SPEAKS, EVERY HONOR, EVERY DECISION, LORD FILL THIS ROOM WITH INTEGRITY AND PEACE. WE ASK THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS, AMEN. >> AMEN. THANK YOU, PASTOR REID, AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> >> THE TEXAS PLEDGE. >> >> THANK YOU, PASTOR REID. NEXT IS WORK SESSION, [3. Southlake Youth Action Commission Annual Report ] ITEM NUMBER 3 WITH THE SOUTH LAKE YOUTH ACTION COMMISSION ANNUAL REPORT, AND I WILL INTRODUCE OR WELCOME MILENKA LOPEZ. COME ON DOWN. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING US A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR TIME ON THIS BUSY MEETING. MY NAME IS MILENKA LOPEZ. I AM THE BUSINESS MANAGER FOR THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. I'M ALSO THE STAFF LIAISON FOR THE SOUTHLAKE YOUTH ACTION COMMISSION, AND I'M VERY EXCITED TO PRESENT OUR MEMBERS THIS YEAR. OUR BOARD MEMBERS THIS YEAR ARE ALLISON BEDWELL, SRISHTHI DAS, JOHN FAHOUM, ESTEFANIA LERIN, MAYA PERERA, SANJANA SENTHIL, WILLIAM ZHANG. OUR ALTERNATES ARE ANUSHKA ASOPA, JEFFREY LIU, MIHIKA CHOWDHRY, HASAN RAUF, VYAS VISHNUKUMAR, POORVAJA ALLA, ANUSHKA VELALA, SAARIM SIDDIQI, AMBER LIN, TEJAS SENTHIL, DIYA SUNIL, ARIANA LERIN, MISHA RIZVI, SERENA TUSNEEM, SAMUEL KARIDIS SCHNEIDER. WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT OVER TO THESE KIDDOS TO TALK ABOUT THEIR YEAR. THANK YOU. >> HI. I'M WILLIAM ZHANG. I AM THE SECRETARY FOR SYAC THIS YEAR. THIS IS THE AGENDA FOR ALL THE EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES WE'VE DONE OR ARE PLANNING ON DOING THIS SCHOOL YEAR. OUR FIRST EVENT WAS THE SYAC BOARD RETREAT IN AUGUST, WHERE WE, THE BOARD MEMBERS ALL MET TOGETHER TO DISCUSS LEADERSHIP AND OUR FUTURE GOALS AND PLANS FOR SYAC. WE ESTABLISHED OUR MISSION STATEMENT, WHICH IS TO PROVIDE AN ENVIRONMENT FOR THE YOUTH VOICE OF SOUTH LAKE AND OUR VISION STATEMENT TO BE THE GO TO YOUTH VOICE TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY. WE ALSO OUTLINED SOME GOALS WE HAD FOR THE PROGRAM, NOT ONLY FOR THIS YEAR, BUT ALSO FOR BOARDS IN FUTURE YEARS AS WELL. [00:05:05] >> HI, MY NAME IS AMBER LIN, AND I'M AN ALTERNATE. ONE OF OUR FIRST MEETINGS THAT WE HAD WAS DISCUSSING HOW THE IDEA OF THE PICKLEBALL COMPLEX WOULD GO FROM JUST AN IDEA TO ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION. WE MET WITH MR. MILLER, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, AND HE DISCUSSED WITH US HOW IN JUST TWO YEARS, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS WENT FROM AN IDEA TO BEING BUILT AND CONSTRUCTED. WITH CONTRACTORS WHO CAME IN AND DESIGNED THE WHOLE THING. THEN IT'S BEEN OPEN FOR ABOUT A YEAR, AND WE THE SYAC HAD THE ABILITY TO GO IN PLACE ON PICKLEBALL, THE COURTS ARE REALLY BEAUTIFUL, AND IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JOHN FAHOUM. I'M ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OF SYAC THIS YEAR. ONE OF MY PERSONAL FAVORITE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD WAS OUR MEETINGS REGARDING ELECTIONS THAT WE HAD HERE WITH CITY COUNCIL, MOST NOTABLY MAYOR MCCASKILL, CITY SECRETARY MICHELLE, AND CITY COUNCIL WOMAN, MISS FRANCIS CHARLIE, RIGHT HERE IN THIS ROOM. WE LEARNED A NUMBER OF THINGS, MAINLY HOW OUR LOCAL ELECTIONS TYPICALLY, UNFORTUNATELY, DO HAVE LOWER THAN NORMAL TURNOUT, BUT IN SOUTH LAKE, WE UNIQUELY DO HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENCES THAT SET US APART AND INCREASE THAT TURNOUT COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBOR CITIES, SUCH AS INCREASING ACCESSIBILITY. MAKING IT A MORE ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE TO VOTE IN GENERAL. I PERSONALLY, ALSO, ALONG WITH SOME OTHER SYAC MEMBERS, LEARNED A LOT OF THINGS FROM THIS MEETING AS WELL, SUCH AS HOW OUR UNEXPIRED TERM ELECTIONS WORK IN THE CITY, AND ALSO HOW OUR CITY UTILIZES AT LARGE VOTING FOR CITY COUNCIL INSTEAD OF DISTRICTS WHICH OTHER CITIES MAY HAVE. >> HI, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS MAYA PERERA, AND I'M VICE CHAIR OF SYAC. ANOTHER MEETING WE HELD WAS OUR PUBLIC ART AND PARKS TOUR. SYAC MEMBERS WERE ABLE TO GAIN A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF ARTS AND RESOURCES IN THE CITY, AND WE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT GOES INTO CREATING ART FOR THE CITY. >> HI. MY NAME IS ALLISON BEDWELL. I'M THE CHAIR FOR SYAC THIS YEAR, AND WE ALSO ADOPTED A STREET. SYAC DID ON SHADY OAKS, AND WE DID THREE STREET CLEAN UPS THIS YEAR, TWO IN THE FALL, AND THEN ONE IN THE SPRING. WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO TALK TO MADISON DUNN, WHO WORKS IN PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT GO INTO KEEPING OUR CITY BEAUTIFUL, AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THAT BY CLEANING UP OUR OWN COMMUNITY. >> OUR LAST PROJECT OF THE YEAR IS INTERN DAY. EACH EACH SYAC MEMBER GETS TO INTERN AT A CITY DEPARTMENT. SOME DEPARTMENTS WE INTERN AT ARE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, POLICE AND FIRE, AND COMMUNITY SERVICES. WE EACH GET TO LEARN ABOUT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES AND WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE THEIR ROLE. THANK YOU. DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I KNOW ALL ARE SO BUSY. I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU FIT THIS INTO YOUR SCHEDULE, BUT THANK YOU FOR SHOWING THE INITIATIVE AND THE INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING. I HOPE IT'S BEEN REWARDING AND INFORMATIVE TO YOU. I'M SURE IT HAS BEEN, BUT THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THIS FORM OF OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, AND WE'RE PROUD OF YOU FOR DOING IT. COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR OUR KIDS. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET A PICTURE. WELL, IF YOU GUYS COME UP HERE BY THE DIAS, WE'LL COME DOWN AND MEET YOU AND TAKE A PICTURE. THANK YOU. LET'S GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. [APPLAUSE] [BACKGROUND] NEXT UP IS WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER 4. [4. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session. ] WE'LL GO OVER OUR CONSENT AGENDA, AND FOR THAT ITEM, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM KATHY TALLEY. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I PROPOSE THAT WE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. [00:10:02] ITEMS 4A THROUGH 4D. 4A, APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE APRIL 1, 2025 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, ITEM 4B EXCUSE THE ABSENCES OF MAYOR PRO TEM, RANDY WILLIAMSON FROM THE MAY 6TH, AND MAY 20, 2025 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. ITEM 4C, CANCEL THE JULY 1ST AND JULY 15, 2025 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, AND WE ARE EXCLUDING ITEM 4D. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS SHOULD BE HERE MOMENTARILY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FROM REGULAR AGENDA TO CONSENT AGENDA? >> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MOVING ITEM 9A, CITY COUNCIL CONFIRMATION OF THE CITY MANAGER'S APPOINTMENT OF SHANNON LANGFORD AS FIRE CHIEF. >> I LIKE THAT. DOES ANYONE NEED ANY PRESENTATIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THE OTHER ITEMS ON CONSENT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? I WILL TURN IT OVER TO CITY MANAGER ALISON ORTOWSKI. >> YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW PLEASED I AM TO BE PRESENTING TONIGHT A REQUEST FOR YOUR CONFIRMATION OF MY APPOINTMENT OF SHANNON LANGFORD AS THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE'S NEXT FIRE CHIEF. WE ARE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THE CHARTER ACTUALLY HAS A PROVISION IN IT THAT RE ESTABLISHES REQUIREMENTS FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF DEPARTMENT HEADS. IT STIPULATES THAT THE HEAD OF EACH DEPARTMENT IS APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER AND SUBJECT TO THE CONFIRMATION OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOLLOWING THAT APPOINTMENT. THE CHARTER ALSO NOTES THAT DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE SUPERVISORY AUTHORITY AND FINANCIAL CONTROL OF THEIR DEPARTMENT ONCE APPOINTED. BEFORE WE GET INTO SOME INFORMATION ABOUT SHANNON TONIGHT, I WANT TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE POSITION. IT IS ESSENTIALLY TO PROVIDE THE EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT FOR THE DEPARTMENT. ASSUMING FULL MANAGEMENT RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT ONLY DAILY OPERATIONS, BUT ALSO DEVELOPING AND IMPLEMENTING THE FUTURE PATH OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THROUGH STRATEGIC GOALS, OBJECTIVES, ESTABLISHING POLICIES, MAKING ADJUSTMENTS TO ENSURE THAT OUR FIRE SERVICE ALIGNS WITH THOSE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF SAFETY AND SECURITY THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED FOR THE CITY. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT, YOU CAN SEE HERE A SIMPLIFIED ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. THE DEPARTMENT CONSISTS OF 74 FULL TIME EQUIVALENT EMPLOYEES ACROSS SEVERAL DIVISIONS AND FUNCTIONAL AREAS. ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT ORGANIZATIONAL CHART FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THOSE DIVISIONS. THE DEPARTMENT HAS A GENERAL FUND BUDGET OF JUST OVER 12.6 MILLION ANNUALLY, AND THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT PROVIDE FUNDING FOR EQUIPMENT AND THE HEAVY FLEET AND EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAD A VERY EXTENSIVE SELECTION PROCESS THAT BEGAN WITH A NATIONWIDE SEARCH. WE CHOSE TO PARTNER WITH CPS HR CONSULTING TO CONDUCT THAT NATIONWIDE SEARCH. AS A RESULT OF THAT PARTNERSHIP, WE ATTRACTED JUST OVER 70, WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER HIGHLY QUALIFIED ALIGNED CANDIDATES FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THIS IS A REFLECTION OF THE REPUTATION OF THE SOUTH LAKE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE TYPE OF CANDIDATE THAT WE ATTRACTED DURING THIS RECRUITMENT PROCESS. FOLLOWING THAT INITIAL SCREENING, THE CONSULTANT NARROWED THAT GROUP DOWN TO 20 WHERE THEY CONDUCTED PHONE SCREENINGS. WE NARROWED THAT FURTHER IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO A POOL OF NINE, WHERE WE CONDUCTED VIRTUAL INTERVIEWS AND THEN SELECTED FOUR FOR REALLY WHAT AMOUNTED TO BE A FULL DAY IN PERSON INTERVIEW PROCESS WHERE THE CANDIDATES VISITED WITH VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE EXECUTIVE TEAM, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, AND THEN SPENT SOME TIME WITH ME DURING THAT PROCESS. YOU CAN SEE IT WAS VERY RIGOROUS, AND I'LL SPEAK A LITTLE IN A MOMENT ABOUT SHANNON'S QUALIFICATIONS, BUT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, HE REALLY STOOD OUT AS THE FRONT RUNNER. I THINK YOU WILL SEE WHY IN JUST ONE MOMENT. SO YOU CAN SEE SOME HIGHLIGHTS ON THIS SCREEN OF HIS BACKGROUND. SHANNON LANGFORD COMES TO US WITH OVER 32 YEARS OF FIRE AND EMS EXPERIENCE. HE HAS LEADERSHIP EXPERIENCE AND HAS DEDICATED HIS CAREER TO BUILDING HIGH PERFORMING TEAMS AND ADVANCING THE FIRE PROFESSION. HE IS A VERY HIGHLY ACCOMPLISHED FIRE SERVICE PROFESSIONAL WITH EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN FIRE OPERATIONS, EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, AND ADMINISTRATION. HE CURRENTLY SERVES AS THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF OPERATIONS FOR THE CITY OF FARMERS BRANCH AND OVERSEES A VERY SIMILAR BUDGET AND OPERATIONAL SIZE TO THE CITY. THE FARMERS BRANCH BUDGET IS ABOUT 14 MILLION OPERATIONS, AND IT LEADS A STAFF OF 84 PERSONNEL. A VERY SIMILAR SIZE TO SOUTH LAKES DEPARTMENT. [00:15:03] OVER THE YEARS, HE HAS DEMONSTRATED EXPERTISE IN DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATION, TRAINING, EMS OPERATIONS, INCIDENT COMMAND, PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT, AND POLICY DEVELOPMENT, AND HE HAS HELD PROGRESSIVE LEADERSHIP ROLES, INCLUDING MANAGING FIRE DEPARTMENT TRAINING PROGRAMS TO MAINTAIN AN ISO 1 RATING, WHICH WE ARE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS HERE IN THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE, OVERSEEING EXPANDED RECRUITMENT AND PROMOTIONAL PROCESSES, INCLUDING CONTRACTOR VIEW, FLEET AND FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, AND COORDINATING WITH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS ACROSS A NUMBER OF INITIATIVES. HIS PRIOR EXPERIENCE PRIOR TO FARMERS BRANCH INCLUDES TIME WITH THE CITY OF ALLEN FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHERE HE ADVANCED THROUGH THE RANKS FROM FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC TO ADMINISTRATIVE CAPTAIN, PRIOR TO MOVING TO HIS CURRENT POSITION IN THE CITY OF FARMERS BRANCH. YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SCREEN, HE HAS AN EXTENSIVE EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND WITH A MASTER OF SCIENCE AND MANAGEMENT. HE ALSO HOLDS NUMEROUS PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATIONS AND HAS COMPLETED THE PRESTIGIOUS FIRE SERVICE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER PROGRAM AT TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY TEEX. >> WITH THAT, I HOPE YOU WILL SEE THAT SHANNON REALLY IS THE PERFECT PERSON TO ASSUME THE FIRE CHIEF POSITION FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, AND WITH YOUR RATIFICATION, MR. LANGFORD'S APPOINTMENT WILL BE EFFECTIVE ON MAY 5TH. >> THANK YOU, ALISON. CHIEF, WHY DON'T YOU COME ON DOWN? IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS. I CALLED YOU CHIEF BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS GOING PRETTY WELL FOR YOU. [LAUGHTER] I THINK THE VOTE'S GOING TO TURN OUT JUST FINE BUT, WE VISITED EARLIER BEFORE THIS MEETING, AND WE WERE BLESSED THAT WE HAD SUCH GREAT CANDIDATES FROM ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IT WAS A NATIONWIDE SEARCH. IT'S REALLY A BLESSING TO HAVE SO MANY WONDERFUL PEOPLE WITH GREAT EXPERIENCE THAT ARE WANTING AND WILLING TO COME SERVE HERE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. THE FACT THAT YOU ROSE TO THE TOP OF THAT REALLY GREAT GROUP IS A TESTAMENT AND COMPLIMENT TO YOUR CREDENTIALS AND YOUR PERSONALITY AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH OUR GREAT TEAM AT OUR SOUTHLAKE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE THE BEST OF THE BEST GETTING READY TO LEAD THAT GROUP. CHIEF, IT'S ALL YOURS IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS, AND THEN I'LL INVITE COUNCIL, IF THEY'D LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT CHIEF, THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TRUSTING ME IN THIS EXCITING OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THIS GREAT CITY AND GREAT DEPARTMENT AND JUST STAND BY BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE GREAT THINGS TO COME. LIKE YOU STATED, HAVE A GREAT CITY AND A GREAT DEPARTMENT ALREADY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL, AND WE'RE GOING TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE GREAT THINGS. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? GO AHEAD. >> WELCOME. THE STANDARD IS THE STANDARD. I KNOW WHAT YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH TO GET TO THIS SPOT, SO I'M VERY HAPPY FOR YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS I'M MOST PROUD OF IN THIS CITY IS OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, POLICE AND FIRE. I LOOK AT CHIEF CASEY, AND BEFORE CHIEF BRANDON, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THE SAME LEVEL OF INTEGRITY, SO. WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. >> YEAH, CHIEF LANGFORD, I'LL JUST ADD MY EARLY CONGRATULATIONS. I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME TIME TO VISIT. ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT IS ON MY 12 YEARS ON COUNCIL, BUT ON COUNCIL'S FAR PREVIOUS TO ME, OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH BOTH OUR POLICE AND FIRE SERVICES IS SECOND TO NONE. WE VALUE SO MUCH, WHAT YOU DO, WHAT YOUR TEAM DOES, FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR OUR CITY AND OUR BUSINESSES. YOU HAVE OUR SUPPORT, BOTH JUST FROM THE POSITIVE NATURE OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, BUT ALSO THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND THE SERVICES THAT YOU NEED TO MEET OUR NEEDS. WELCOME WE'RE EXCITED TO PARTNER WITH YOU, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT PARTNERSHIP CONTINUING FOR YEARS TO COME. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> WELCOME. WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU. YOU HAVE A VERY IMPRESSIVE RESUME, AND I'M JUST EXCITED FOR THE PLANS YOU HAVE FOR OUR CITY. I ENJOYED VISITING WITH YOU AND LEARNING HOW YOU OPERATE, AND I THINK WE'RE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE YOU. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> LAST BUT NOT LEAST. I'D ECHO WHAT EVERYBODY SAID. WELCOME. IT WAS VERY NICE TO VISIT WITH YOU AND LEARN MORE ABOUT YOU. CLEARLY, TO BE THE STAND UP CANDIDATE AMONG SO MANY FROM THE COUNTRY SPEAKS A LOT TO WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU'VE BUILT IN THE OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS WHERE YOU SERVE. WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO HAVE YOU AND LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. WE'LL OFFICIALLY VOTE ON YOUR APPOINTMENT AND CONFIRMING THAT AS PART OF OUR CONSENT AGENDA WHEN WE COME BACK FROM REGULAR SESSION, [00:20:04] BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO GO OKAY. IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, LET'S GET A PICTURE, AND THEN WE'LL GET ON WITH IT. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] [5. Recognition for outgoing City Councilmember Ronell Smith. Reception to follow in the lobby. ] >> NEXT UP IS WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER 5. WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE OUR OUTGOING CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, RONELL SMITH. I'M GOING TO INVITE ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SAY A FEW WORDS HERE IN JUST A MOMENT, AND OF COURSE, WE'LL GIVE RONELL THE MICROPHONE. >> NOT REQUIRED. [LAUGHTER] >> ARE YOU WORRIED? [LAUGHTER] BUT I'LL GO FIRST. I REMEMBER WHEN RONELL WAS SERVING ON ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MANY YEARS AGO. IT'S PROBABLY, LIKE, 10 YEARS AGO, FIRST STARTED, AND HE WORKED HIS WAY UP. I THINK HE WAS THE VICE CHAIR OF ZBA WHEN THE TIME CAME AND THERE WAS AN OPENING ON CITY COUNCIL A LITTLE OVER SIX YEARS AGO, AND IN VISITING WITH RONELL, AND HE WAS INTERESTED OR INDICATED HIS INTEREST. WHAT REALLY STRUCK ME THEN, AND IT HAS STUCK WITH ME ALL THE WAY THROUGH BECAUSE YOU KEEP SAYING IT. THE REASON YOU SERVE AND VOLUNTEER IN THIS COMMUNITY IT'S CERTAINLY NOT BECAUSE WE GET PAID BECAUSE WE DON'T, BUT IT'S BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY FOR YOUR KIDS WHEN THEY GO OFF TO COLLEGE AND THEN HOPEFULLY COME BACK BECAUSE THAT'S THE PLAN, BUT YOU WANTED TO HAVE THAT SAME COMMUNITY FOR THEM THAT WE ALL EXPERIENCED IN RAISING OUR FAMILIES AT THIS TIME. YOU'VE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THAT ALL THE WAY THROUGH, AND I KNOW THAT YOU MEANT IT FROM YOUR HEART, AND THAT WAS WHY YOU DID IT. TEN YEARS INTO IT MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. I THINK YOU HAVE SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHTED AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY ON THINGS THAT SOMETIMES DON'T GET ALL THE ATTENTION THAT OTHER THINGS DO. YOU'VE SPENT A LOT OF YOUR FOCUS ON THE LIBRARY AND BOB JONES PARK AND BOB JONES NATURE CENTER, AND THEY NEEDED THAT ATTENTION. IT WAS IMPRESSIVE THAT YOU RECOGNIZED THAT EARLY ON THAT THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO STEP IN AND SHOW THE LOVE TO THOSE DEPARTMENTS WHEN THEY NEEDED IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. AGAIN, IT'S 10 PLUS YEARS OF SERVICE, INCLUDING SIX YEARS ON CITY COUNCIL. OUR FRIENDSHIP THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED FROM WATCHING FOOTBALL TOGETHER, ALTHOUGH YOU CHEER FOR THE WRONG TEAM SOMETIMES, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT ANY MORE THAN THAT, BUT I'VE REALLY APPRECIATED YOUR FRIENDSHIP. I'VE APPRECIATED YOUR FAMILY AND THE SACRIFICE AND SERVICE THAT THEY HAVE MADE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND BEING PART OF ALL THE EVENTS AND ALL THE THINGS WE DO AND ALLOWING YOU TO BE SO INVOLVED IN THE CITY. THE FRIENDSHIP IS THE BEST PART OF SERVING THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE BUILD, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE AFTER TONIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU TO YOUR FAMILY. GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU AND WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO DO GOING FORWARD. BUT MAYBE I'LL START AT THIS END WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON. >> THIS IS A ROAST OR IS THIS A [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]. RONELL TO YOU AND YOUR LOVELY BRIDE, RACHEL. CONGRATULATIONS ON SIX YEARS OF SERVICE. THANK YOU. I HAVE THE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO CONGRATULATE YOU AS A FELLOW PLACE 4 ALUMNI. SOME OF THE FOLKS MAY NOT KNOW, BUT RONELL STEPPED INTO MY SHOES AFTER MY FIRST TWO TERMS INTO PLACE 4 AND WAS EXCITED TO SEE THAT. YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. THIS LAST SIX YEARS, I THINK WE CAN AGREE. BY AND LARGE, IT'S BEEN GREAT, BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME TOUGH TIMES IN THAT SIX YEARS. ONE THING I ADMIRE ABOUT YOU, RONELL, IS YOU'RE A MAN OF YOUR CONVICTIONS, AND YOU STAY WITH YOUR CONVICTIONS, AND THAT IS SO IMPORTANT WHEN YOU SIT UP HERE ON THIS DAIS IS TO BE ABLE TO REMAIN FOUNDED IN THOSE CONVICTIONS. I APPRECIATE THAT AND CONGRATULATE YOU ON THAT. [00:25:03] IT'S BEEN FUN TO SERVE WITH YOU. I LOOK AT YOU AS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST STORYTELLERS THAT'S EVER SAT ON THE DAIS. YOU CAN TAKE A SITUATION AND ADD COLOR TO IT AND MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT RESONATES WITH EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT ABOUT YOU. BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR FRIENDSHIP AS WELL. I HOPE THAT CONTINUES AS YOU STEP INTO THE NEXT CHAPTER. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. IT'S BEEN FANTASTIC. >> THANK YOU, RANDY. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TALLEY. >> RONELL, AS YOU KNOW, HAVING DONE IT, WHEN I DECIDED TO RUN IN 2019, WHEN YOU'RE NEW AT THIS AND YOU'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE, YOU NEED HELP. YOU REACHED OUT TO ME EARLY ON, AND I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT AND WE HAD SOME EARLY MORNING COFFEE TALKS, AND THEN COVID HIT, AND SO WE COULDN'T GO ANYWHERE OR DO ANYTHING. BUT ONCE WE WERE ABLE TO MEET IN PUBLIC AGAIN, YOU REACHED OUT AND WE HAD SOME MORE OF THOSE, AND IT WAS JUST VERY REASSURING TO ME BECAUSE, AGAIN, NOT KNOWING WHAT THIS IS ABOUT FOR ME WAS A LITTLE SCARY, LITTLE DAUNTING. THEN ONCE I WAS ELECTED, WE CONTINUED THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT AS I GOT MORE COMFORTABLE UP HERE, AND I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT, AND I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S THE PERSON YOU ARE. YOU WANT TO HELP AND TO REACH OUT AND I FELT THAT, AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT. RANDY SPOKE TO IT. I DON'T KNOW IF RACHEL KNOWS HOW MUCH YOU WEAVE HER AND YOUR DAUGHTERS AND COCO. SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT, BUT IT IS BECAUSE YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT SOUTHLAKE, AND YOU WANT THE DECISIONS WE MAKE AND THAT YOU MAKE TO MAKE SENSE NOT ONLY FOR CITY OF SOUTHLAKE BUT FOR YOUR FAMILY AS WELL. I'VE SEEN THAT OVER THE YEARS, AS YOU'VE WOVEN THEM IN, WHETHER THEY'VE APPROVED OF IT OR NOT. [LAUGHTER] I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL. THEN JUST WATCHING YOUR DAUGHTERS GROW AND GO OFF TO COLLEGE NOW. WE GO THROUGH LIFE UP HERE, AND YOU'VE SHARED THAT WITH ALL OF US. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. I ENJOYED WORKING ON THE LIBRARY TASK FORCE WITH YOU. THAT WAS A YEAR LONG ENDEAVOR THAT I THINK WAS QUITE MEANINGFUL. YOU'RE ALREADY BUSY NOW, AND SO I'M SURE YOU HAVE OTHER PLANS AS WELL TO KEEP YOU EVEN BUSIER, AND THE BEST OF LUCK, AND YOU WILL BE MISSED. >> COUNCIL MEMBER, SCHARLI. >> WELL, THEY'VE SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST. JUST KIDDING. RONELL, I REMEMBER I MET YOU ONCE, AND THEN WHEN YOU DECIDED TO RUN, I CAME TO YOUR LAUNCH PARTY. IN YOUR SWEET LITTLE GIRLS, I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THEY WERE. THEY WERE GOING TO BE HELPING YOU. >> NOT UNTIL YOU RAN THE LAUNCH PARTY, BUT GO AHEAD. >> THEY WERE SO SWEET. I DIRECTED THEM ON A FEW THINGS TO DO, AND THEY WERE SO CONSCIENTIOUS AND SO WONDERFUL. I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT A REFLECTION OF A MAN AND A WOMAN IS THEIR CHILDREN, AND YOUR CHILDREN HAVE PROVEN TO BE STARS EVEN AS YOUNG AS THEY WERE AT THAT POINT. THE OTHER THING THAT STANDS OUT TO ME FOR YOU IS YOUR ABSOLUTE LOVE FOR THE CITY. IT IS EVIDENT IN EVERYTHING YOU SAY AND EVERYTHING YOU DO. YOU LOVE SOUTHLAKE AND YOU WEAR IT ON YOUR SLEEVES IN A VERY POSITIVE SENSE. I HAVEN'T SERVED WITH YOU. I'VE ONLY SERVED WITH YOU FOR A YEAR HERE. OBVIOUSLY, WE WORKED ON YOUR FIRST ELECTION TOGETHER. WE'VE BEEN ON SBDC FOR A LONG TIME TOGETHER WHEN I WAS ON PARKS AND YOU WERE ON COUNCIL. I'M SURE IF YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYBODY, RONELL IS A REGULAR WRITER FOR THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS. I'M ONE OF THOSE FEW PEOPLE THAT ME AND FIVE OTHERS GET THE ACTUAL NEWSPAPER, BUT HE DOES WRITE EDITORIALS, A HANDFUL A MONTH OR SO, AND HE'S ON THEIR REGULAR EDITORIAL STAFF. I WILL BE LOOKING FOR YOU. I MAY NOT SEE YOU UP HERE, BUT I WILL BE READING YOUR WRITINGS AND MAYBE SEND YOU A TEXT TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT I AGREE OR NOT WITH WHAT YOU'VE WRITTEN. BUT I WISH YOU THE ABSOLUTE BEST. YOU AND THE GIRLS AND RACHEL, YOU GUYS YOU OBVIOUSLY LOVE SOUTHLAKE. HOPEFULLY YOUR GIRLS WILL COME BACK HERE. WE ALL HOPE THAT, OR AT LEAST IN THE VICINITY, IN DRIVING DISTANCE. THAT WOULD BE MY WISH FOR ANY PARENT. I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT NEXT CHAPTER. I AM SURE YOU WILL STAY VERY BUSY IN WHATEVER YOU DO. >> NEXT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER ALISON ORTOWSKI, AND THEN RONELL, YOU'LL BE UP NEXT. >> MY SEAT MATE UP HERE ON THE DAIS. I GET THE HONOR TO OFFER SOME WORDS AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE STAFF. REALLY TO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE CITY STAFF FOR YOUR SERVICE, [00:30:01] RONELL NOT ONLY FOR THE WAY THAT YOU'VE SERVED, THE WAY THAT YOU'VE LED, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, AND I THINK YOU'VE HEARD IT TONIGHT REFLECTED IN THE WORDS, THE WAY THAT YOU'VE CARED. ONE OF THE TRADITIONS THAT WE HAVE WHENEVER WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS, OUTGOING, AS WE ASK THE EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP TEAM TO SEND SOME WORDS. WHEN YOU THINK OF, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, WHAT WORDS COME TO MIND? THE TEAM SHARED WORDS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE SURPRISING, KINDHEARTED, CHARISMATIC, FRIENDLY, WARM, THOUGHTFUL, SINCERE, SUPPORTIVE, GENUINE, FUNNY, ALWAYS APPROACHABLE. TIME AND AGAIN, WHAT I SEE IN THE WORDS THAT ARE USED TO DESCRIBE YOU IS SOMEONE WHO LEADS WITH HEART AND SOMEONE WHO IS UNAPOLOGETICALLY SOUTHLAKE'S BIGGEST FAN. WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO YOU FOR YOUR COUNTLESS HOURS OF SERVICE TO SOUTHLAKE. I ALSO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK RACHEL AND YOUR FAMILY BECAUSE WE KNOW ANYONE PUBLIC SERVICE IS NEVER A SOLO ACT. IT'S DEFINITELY A TEAM SPORT. THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT STAFF GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND. JUST THANK YOU FOR SHARING HIM WITH ALL OF US. IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO GIVE BACK TO COMMUNITY, AND YOU CERTAINLY HAVE DONE THAT, COUNCIL MEMBER. ON A PERSONAL NOTE, YOU I HAVE HAD THE HONOR AND FUN OF SITTING NEXT TO YOU ON THE DAIS. YOU'VE BEEN MY NEIGHBOR, AND I'VE GOTTEN USED TO HAVING YOU ON MY LEFT. IT'S BEEN A TRUE PRIVILEGE TO SIT BESIDE YOU. THANK YOU FROM ALL OF US. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. >> THANK YOU, ALISON. LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, COUNCIL MEMBER RONELL SMITH. >> WOW. >> THIS IS INTERESTING. I'VE KNOWN WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY SINCE OCTOBER 2021. RACHEL WON'T REMEMBER THIS, BUT WE SAT ON A BAR. IT WAS A RESTAURANT IN DENVER AND I SAID, "I'M THINKING ABOUT RUNNING AGAIN." SHE SAID, "YOU'RE GOING TO RUN AGAIN?" I SAID, YEAH AND I SAID, I GOT UNFINISHED BUSINESS. I'VE NEVER REGRETTED THAT. BUT I'LL BEGIN BY SAYING, THIS IS UNEQUIVOCALLY, THE LAST TIME I'M GOING TO BE SITTING ON THE DIE AS ELECTED OFFICIAL. THIS IS IT. I SAY THAT BECAUSE I SAT IN THIS EXACT SAME SPOT DURING ZBA, WHICH WAS WEIRD WHEN I TOOK OVER YOUR SPOT THAT I INHABITED THE SAME SPOT. THAT WAS INTERESTING. THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE I WANT TO THINK SPECIFICALLY. ONE IS MAYOR HILL. I CALL HIM MAYOR HILL. SHE'LL ALWAYS BE MAYOR TO ME. ANOTHER IS MY GOOD FRIEND, AND HE WAS MY CAMPAIGN STRATEGIST FRED STOVALL. TEN YEARS AGO, ONE OF MY HUNTING BUDDIES, MY HUNTING FISH BUDDIES, WE GOT HUNT AND FISH ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND I WAS AT YOUNG KIDS, AND I WAS NEW OF MY CAREER, AND HE SAID, RONELL, ONE DAY YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH SOMETHING, AND YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AROUND AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN A FIELD, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE AND NOBODY IS GOING TO BE THERE. THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SEE OFF IN THE DISTANCE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SPECS, AND HE SAID, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE YOUR FRIENDS. I CAN SAY, WHATEVER I'VE GONE THROUGH OR WHATEVER I NEEDED, MAYOR HILL WAS ALWAYS THERE FOR ME AND SO WITH MY GOOD FRIEND, FRED. UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE TO BLAME MAYOR HILL FOR ME SITTING UP HERE AS WELL, BUT MORE ON THAT LATER. THIS WASN'T ON MY BINGO COURT. I'VE NEVER WANTED TO BE A POLITICIAN. BUT AT MY KICKOFF PART, AND YOU'LL REMEMBER THIS, A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE SAID, MARY ALFORD SAID, "WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER POLITICIAN. BE A STATESMAN." I GREW UP A HUGE FAN OF REAGAN, AND I JUST HAD HIM AS MY NORTH STAR WITH REGARD TO POLITICS, BUT I'VE NEVER FALLEN POLITICS, AND I DIDN'T THINK OF MYSELF AS A POLITICIAN. BUT I REMEMBER MOVING HERE HAVING DINNER AT BOB'S STEAKHOUSE IN DALLAS WITH A COUPLE WHO ALSO LIVED HERE AND I SAID, I WANT TO GET INVOLVED BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER WAS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER GOING TO BE IN THE SAME SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND I VOLUNTEERED FOR ZBA. I STILL HAVE THOSE EMAILS, BY THE WAY. SENT FROM A YOUNG LADY NAMED BRANDY GARLOCK. I WAS LOOKING AT THAT THIS WEEK. I GOT ON THE NEXT YEAR, AND I'M MEETING THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. DIDN'T THINK I WAS GOING TO GET ON. I ALSO REMEMBER THAT SAME YEAR, THE YEAR BEFORE, IN 2014, AFTER THE FERGUSON, MISS, I WANTED TO VOLUNTEER FOR THE POLICE AND FIRE, AND I JOINED ZBA THE NEXT YEAR. I VOLUNTEERED FOR ZBA BECAUSE I FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME TO SUPPORT THE POLICE AND FIRE HERE, WHICH IS SOMETHING I STILL FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT. BUT AFTER THAT, I BECAME A COP, A CITIZEN ON PATROL. THAT BASICALLY JUST MEANT I WOULD GO SIT IN THE OFFICE OF, AT THE TIME, SERGEANT THOMAS, WHO LATER BECAME LIEUTENANT AND THEN CAPTAIN. I JUST TOLD HIM I SAID, I HAVE A ITCH, I CAN'T SCRATCH. WE GO TO LUNCH TOGETHER AND TALK, AND HE SAYS, "WHAT DO YOU MEAN?" I SAID, "WELL, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE I WANT TO DO." FAST FORWARD A COUPLE OF YEARS, 2018, I TAKE MY DAUGHTERS ON DADDY DAUGHTER TRIP. WE SPENT 30 DAYS IN LONG BOKEELIA, FLORIDA. I WOULD GET AWAY. I HAD AN OFFICE THAT LOOKED OUT ONTO THE AMERICAN FLAG ON USA A1A, AND I JUST SAT THERE FOR THREE HOURS EVERY MORNING AND I SAID GOD, [00:35:01] YOU GOT TO TELL ME SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. I CALLED FRIENDS OF MINE AND BUSINESS OWNERS LIKE ME, AND I SAID, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, I'M NOT DOING. I REMEMBER I LIVE BY SIX WORDS, LIVING WELL IS THE BEST REVENGE. I LIVE BY ACRONYMS OR WORDS. I TELL MY DAUGHTERS, I SAID, "MY GOAL FOR YOU IS TO BE HAPPY, HEALTHY, SUCCESSFUL, GODLY, WEALTHY. MY ACRONYM GOING FORWARD IS I CALL IT THE FIVE FS: FAITH FAMILY, FINANCES, FUND, FRIENDS. WHATEVER I DO GOING FORWARD, IT HAS TO FOLLOW THOSE THINGS. BUT AT THAT TIME, I WAS JUST STUCK. I REMEMBER A FRIEND OF MINE RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS BROUGHT UP, YOU SHOULD RUN FOR OFFICE, AND I BLEW HIM OFF AND RACHEL OVERHEARD AND SHE SAID, "WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD WILL SAY?" I SAID, "YOU GOT TO BRING GOD INTO THIS." I PRAYED GIDEON'S PRAYER, EXCEPT IT WASN'T FLEECE. I SAID, GOD, IF THIS ISN'T SOMETHING YOU WANT ME TO DO, TELL ME. HE NEVER TOLD ME IT WAS SOMETHING HE WANTED ME TO DO. WE HAD TAKEN A PICTURE FOR DADS AND FORM MAYOR HUFFMAN AND MAYOR MCCASKILL. I TOLD HIM, I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT. WE WENT TO A TRIP TO EUROPE, AND I SAID, I THINK I WANT TO DO IT. I SAID, BUT IF I WANT TO DO IT, I WANT TO TALK TO MAYOR HILL. I REMEMBER GETTING ON THE PHONE AND I WAS LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO BE A COUNCILOR. IT WAS THE MOST VULNERABLE I HAD BEEN. I DON'T WANT TO BE A COUNCILOR. SHE SAID, "WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO?" I SAID, "WELL, I HAD DISTILLED IT IN MY MIND THAT I WANTED TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR KIDS, FAMILIES, AND BUSINESSES IN SOUTHLAKE." SHE SAID, "YOU SHOULD RUN FOR OFFICE." THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR, BY THE WAY. WANTED HER TO SAY. SHE SAID, "BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN ELEVATED PLATFORM TO DO THAT," LET ME TELL YOU, I'VE NEVER REGRETTED IT. HANS ROSLING, A LATE PHYSICIAN AND STATISTICIANS TOLD MELINDA GATES, BILL GATES' FORMER WIFE, "GO WHERE THERE ARE NO RIVERS." WHAT HE MEANT BY THAT WAS WHERE THERE WAS NO RIVERS, THE POPULATION WAS NOT BEING PROPERLY SERVED. FOR ME, I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE THERE FOR THE EVENTS THAT MAYBE OTHER COUNCILMEN WEREN'T INTERESTED IN BEING AT OR THEY HAD OTHER OBLIGATIONS. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I'VE SAT IN SOMEONE'S HOUSE, AND I WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE. I REMEMBER GOING TO NINE EVENTS AND ONE DAY AND SITTING THERE TEXTING FRIENDS OF MINE, LIKE, "WHOSE HOUSE IS THIS?" OR "WHAT'S THE KID'S NAME?" I LOOKED BACK AT THAT. I WAS LIKE, MAN, IT WAS WEIRD THAT THAT WAS HAPPENING. BUT I CAN SAY THIS. I NEVER REGRETTED RUNNING FOR OFFICE. I'LL SAY THIS, AND I'VE SAID THIS. YOU'VE ALL WHO HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS, AND I'M ALMOST DONE, BY THE WAY. I WAS TOLD RACHEL, WHEN WE LOOKED FOR HOUSES, YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD THE STORY. WE LOOKED AT 112 HOUSES. THIS IS ONE WHERE NOW IS 112, AND I SAID, I DON'T FEEL IT, AND RACHEL GOT SO MAD AT ME. I SAID, "GOD JUST HADN'T TOLD ME WE FOUND THE ONE." I'M SURE SHE SAID, "WHAT GOD ARE YOU TALKING TO?" BUT I REMEMBER HER SAYING, WELL, SOUTHLAKE IS THE ONLY PLACE WE CAN AGREE ON, AND WE'RE GOING TO FIND SOMEWHERE IN SOUTHLAKE OR I'M GOING TO MAKE YOU GO TO FRISCO, AND SHE KNEW THAT WAS A THREAT. WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR WAS SOUTHLAKE, BECAUSE WE LIVED IN COLLEYVILLE. IT WAS THE COHESION, IT WAS THIS TYPE OF COMMUNITY, NOT TO BRING POLITICS IN IT, BUT I WANTED MY KIDS TO BE RAISED IN A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY, WHERE I FELT LIKE PEOPLE HAD SIMILAR VALUES. I WANTED TO LIVE AROUND PEOPLE THAT I'D BE PROUD TO CALL FRIENDS, NOT JUST THE KIDS GO TO SCHOOL WITH MY KIDS. I CAN TELL YOU, I LOVE IT. I LOVE LOVE LOVE MORE THAN ANYTHING THAT MY DAUGHTERS ARE PROUD TO HAVE COME FROM SOUTHLAKE. MY DAUGHTER, WHO'S IN COLLEGE NOW TALKS ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE PRIDE SHE HAS TO BEING IN SOUTHLAKE. MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER, TALKS ALL THE TIME. SHE THINKS SHE'S GOING TO GRADUATE COLLEGE AT 22 COME BACK AND LIVE IN SOUTHLAKE, AND I WAS LIKE, "HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAKING?" BUT SHE'S ALWAYS SAID HER KIDS WILL BE RAISED IN SOUTHLAKE. I'VE ALWAYS SAID YOU'LL HAVE A CHAUFFEUR BACK AND FORTH TO SCHOOL. THE WORST THING ABOUT LIVING IN SOUTHLAKE, IS NOT ALL ROSES, YOU CAN'T GO ANYWHERE IN THIS TOWN WITHOUT SENDING SOMEBODY YOU KNOW AND HAVING A CONVERSATION. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES MY HALF AND HALF HAS SPOILED BECAUSE I'M SPENDING 45 MINUTES TALKING TO SOMEBODY. I GET HOME, AND IT'S LIKE THE SECOND DAY AND I SAY, WHY WOULD IT BE SPOILED THIS EARLY? THE CALIBER OF PEOPLE WE HAVE IN THIS TOWN IS UNBEATABLE. I KNOW BECAUSE AS I'VE TOLD PEOPLE WHO'VE CHALLENGED ME ABOUT LIVING IN SOUTHLAKE. I SAID, IF I COULD FIND SOMEWHERE BETTER, I PROMISE YOU ME AND RACHEL WILL LEAVE TOMORROW. SHE'S AGREED WITH ME ON THAT, BECAUSE I HAVE ALWAYS FELT AND I FEEL STRONGLY THAT MY KIDS DESERVE TO LIVE IN THE BEST COMMUNITY IN THE WORLD. I TELL YOU, I GO ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, I HAVE MY DRAGON SHIRT, I GO OUT OVER 100 OF THEM, AND THE SENSE OF PRIDE I GET WHEN SOMEBODY IN SAN FRANCISCO, OR LONDON, OR DENMARK, OR CHICAGO, OR CARROLL DRAGONS, I WAS THINKING ONE OF MY PROUDEST MOMENTS. I SAW A YOUNG MAN IN SAN FRANCISCO, LAST YEAR. HE WORKED AT A HOTEL IN THE FINANCE DISTRICT, AND HE HAD GROWN UP HERE. I GAVE HIM MY FAVORITE GREEN HOOD. TRUE STORY. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I HAD, AND I GAVE IT TO HIM. HE DIDN'T GROW UP IN SOUTHLAKE. HE GREW UP IN PLANO OR FRISCO. THAT MEANS SOMETHING TO ME THAT WHEN MY KIDS [00:40:02] GROW UP AND THEY GO OFF AND THEY COME BACK HERE AND RAISE THEIR KIDS THAT THEIR KIDS WILL HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF ESTEEM AND FEEL LIKE THEY WERE RAISED IN A PRESTIGIOUS COMMUNITY. I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT. ONE OF MY SLOGANS WHEN I RAN WAS 'KEEP SOUTHLAKE SPECIAL', BUT THE ONE I'M PROBABLY MOST PROUD OF IS 'KEEP SOUTHLAKE SOUTHLAKE'. I THINK THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE PLACE WITH INCREDIBLE PEOPLE, AND I HOPE WE NEVER FORGET THAT. NOW, IT'S TIMING TO BE A LITTLE SELFISH. I'VE KNOWN RACHEL FOR ALMOST 35 YEARS. WE'RE HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEARTS. SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN SUPPORTIVE FOR ME. I FELT AT TIMES THAT IT WAS UNFAIR THE AERODYNAMIC DRAG THAT BEING IN POLITICS ADDED TO OUR FAMILY. I HAVE FELT GUILTY ABOUT THAT, IS THE FIRST TIME SHE'S HEARING THIS, BY THE WAY. NOT ONCE HAS SHE EVER EXPRESSED ANY DISPLEASURE ABOUT ME BEING IN POLITICS. I'M JEALOUS BECAUSE SHE IS AS MUCH OR MORE A CHAMPION OF SOUTHLAKE AS I AM. EVERY ONE OF HER FRIENDS OR PEOPLE THAT SHE KNOWS WHO'S LOOKING AND MOVE TO TEXAS, SHE'S LIKE, THERE'S ONLY ONE COMMUNITY, SOUTHLAKE. SHE SAYS, I KNOW BECAUSE I LIVE THERE. I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE MARRIED TO ANYBODY ELSE IF THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY. I JUST HOPE WE REALIZE THAT. I TOLD MAYOR MCCASKILL AND FORMER MAYOR HUFFMAN THIS RECENTLY THAT THE NUMBER ONE DETERMINANT OF A KID'S SUCCESS IF YOU AGGREGATED AT ALL, IS THE COMMUNITY THEY RAISED IN AND THE KIDS THEY ARE RAISED AROUND, AND I GOT TO RAISE MY KIDS AROUND THE BEST PEOPLE AND AROUND THE BEST KIDS. I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS I GET ALL THE TIME IS WHY YOU LOVE SOUTHLAKE SO MUCH, AND A FRIEND OF MINE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BUYING SECOND HOUSES, AND I WAS, I'M NOT LIVING OUT OF SOUTHLAKE, AND SHE CALLED ME LATER ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. SHE SAID, "WHY DO YOU FEEL SO STRONGLY ABOUT SOUTHLAKE?" I SAID, "WELL, IF YOU CAN GIVE ME POLICE AND FIRE, CITY STAFF AND THE PEOPLE OF SOUTHLAKE, WE CAN CONSIDER. I SAID, I KNOW POLICE AND FIRE. I KNOW THE CITY STAFF. WE HAVE THE BEST STAFF AND CITY MANAGER AND DIRECTORS IN THE WORLD. MY WIFE WAS AT THE PASSPORT OFFICE THIS WEEK AND SHE COMES HOME RAVING, "SOUTHLAKE IS FINE BY ME. EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO, YOU DO IT AT THE TOP." I'M LIKE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. BUT I WAS IN SILICON VALLEY THREE YEARS AGO WITH A FRIEND OF MINE WHO USED TO LIVE IN SOUTHLAKE. HE WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD CHALLENGE ME ABOUT WHY DO I LOVE LIVING IN SOUTHLAKE SO MUCH. WE WERE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET IN MENLO PARK, AND HE SAID, "THIS IS WHERE YOU WANT TO LIVE. SOMEWHERE LIKE THIS. BIG HOMES, ALL THE TECH EXECUTIVES ALL AROUND." I SAID, "THAT'S INTERESTING." I SAID, "IF I WANT TO LEARN ABOUT REAL ESTATE, I CAN CALL MARTIN SELIG. I LITERALLY SAID YOUR NAME. IF I WANT TO TEACH MY KIDS ABOUT BIOCHEMISTRY, I CAN CALL ERIC WAYNE. I WANT TO LEARN ABOUT LAW, I CAN CALL FORM MAYOR HUFFMAN. DID YOU HAVE THAT WHEN YOU GREW UP IN MENLO PARK?" HE'S LIKE, "I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN." I HOPE WE NEVER FORGET THAT. SOUTHLAKE IS A SPECIAL PLACE. IT'S NOT JUST SPECIAL TO ME, ITS SPECIAL TO MY FAMILY, BUT I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE. YOU'LL STILL SEE ME AROUND. I'VE TOLD ALL THE KIDS WHEN I WAS VOLUNTEERING AT THE SCHOOLS. I WOULD SAY, I'M GOING TO BE OLD MAN SMITH SHUFFLING UP THE SIDEWALK TO CENTRAL MARKET WHEN I'M 90-YEARS-OLD, AND ALL THE KIDS THAT I'VE SEEN THEY'LL HAVE GRAND KIDS BY THEN. BUT THANK Y'ALL. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE. IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO SERVE THIS CITY. BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE. BEFORE I FINISH, WE'RE IN GOOD HANDS, BY THE WAY. I'LL SAY MORE ABOUT THIS WHEN I DO THE HANDOFF. BUT CHUCK TAGGART AND AUSTIN REYNOLDS, ARE FANTASTIC GUYS. THEY'RE GOING TO DO A PHENOMENAL JOB FOR THE CITY. THEY'VE BEEN FRIENDS OF MINE FOR YEARS. I'M GOING TO MISS THIS SPOT. YOU'LL NOT GOING TO LOSE ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO LEADERSHIP. THIS TEAM YOU HAVE WILL CONTINUE TO LEAD THIS SHIP IN THE RIGHT WAY AND FOR THE RIGHT REASONS. I FEEL GREAT ABOUT THAT. YOU ARE IN GREAT HANDS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, RONELL. LET'S GIVE HIM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE AND STANDING OVATION. [APPLAUSE] COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS, IT'S A LITTLE LATE ARRIVING, IT'S A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER, BUT IF YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS, ALL GOOD. GO AHEAD. >> I TRIED TO GET AS FAST AS I COULD. THEY TOLD ME YOU'LL TAKE AT LEAST 20 MINUTES TO SPEAK TO US, SO I HAD NO IDEA. THAT WAS FINE. I WAS CHECKING IN. YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. YOU'VE ALWAYS FELT LIKE IT WAS A BLESSING TO BE HERE. YOU'VE NEVER TAKEN IT FOR GRANTED TO BE HERE AND EVERYTHING, AND I THINK THAT YOU'VE SERVED FOR A LONG TIME. I REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING THE FIRST TIME AND WALK THROUGH ALL THAT WITH YOU, BUT I THINK THAT YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. YOU'VE BEEN A PART OF A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE HERE. I HOPE THE LIBRARY IS READY. HOPE THEY GOT EXTRA BOOKS FOR YOU, AND I HOPE YOU BOB JONES IS READY FOR THOSE EXTRA TRIPS AROUND, BUT I THINK THAT YOU'VE BEEN A CHAMPION FOR SOUTHLAKE ACROSS THE BOARD. [00:45:01] I THINK THAT'S A HUGE PIECE. YOU'VE REALLY ALWAYS STOOD UP FOR THE CITY AND STOOD IN A PLACE THAT WAS VISIBLE FOR EVERYBODY AND REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB FOR THE CITY. I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK IN WHAT YOU DO IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS. SO IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, RONELL, WE'D LIKE TO TAKE SOME PICTURES. WE HAVE SOME GIFTS FOR YOU. WE'LL INVITE RACHEL TO COME DOWN. AFTER THAT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RECESS OUT TO THE LOBBY FOR A RECEPTION WITH CAKE AND SNACKS AND ALL THAT. RACHEL, IF YOU'D COME ON DOWN, AND WE'LL TAKE SOME PICTURES, AND THEN PLEASE JOIN US OUT IN THE LOBBY FOR RECEPTION TO HONOR RONELL AND RACHEL. THANK YOU. >> [BACKGROUND] GOOD. WHILE WE'RE MOVING INTO THE RECEPTION IN HONOR OF RONELL SMITH, WE WILL GO INTO OUR REGULAR SESSION. [1. Call to order. ] I'LL CALL THAT TO ORDER. THE FIRST ITEM IS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. [2.A. Executive Session] AS MAYOR, I HEREBY ADVISE YOU, THAT WE'RE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071, TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY, AND SECTION 551.087, TO DELIBERATE REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS. WE'LL BE BACK AT 7:30. SEE YOU THEN. I'LL CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER. [2.B. Reconvene] IS THERE ANY ACTION NECESSARY FOLLOWING EXECUTIVE SESSION? >> NO, MAYOR. >> NEXT UP IS THE MAYOR'S REPORT. NOTHING SCHEDULED TONIGHT, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER [3.B. City Manager’s Report ] TO ALISON ORTOWSKI FOR THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. >> YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M PLEASED TO INVITE OUR INTERIM FIRE CHIEF JEREMY WILSON FORWARD TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR RECENT REACCREDITATION OF THE SOUTHLAKE FIRE DEPARTMENT. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I WAS TALKING TO CHIEF FRANKFORD IN THE BACK BEFORE I COME UP HERE AND HEARD ALL THE NICE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAD TO SAY, AND WHICH IS AWESOME, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE CAN DO IS NOT ONLY IS THAT OUR OPINION, WE CAN APPROVE IT AND WE CAN PROVE IT, AND I'M ABOUT TO SHOW YOU WHY. AS CITY MANAGER ORTOWSKI HAS TOLD YOU, WE JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED OUR REACCREDITATION PROCESS. REALLY, THIS PROCESS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PROCESS THAT EVALUATES EVERY ASPECT OF OUR DEPARTMENT'S OPERATIONS. IT'S DESIGNED TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE HIGHEST STANDARDS IN FIRE EMERGENCY SERVICES. THE PROCESS INVOLVES A SELF-ASSESSMENT, LONG-TERM STRATEGIC PLANNING, AND AN IN-DEPTH PEER EVALUATION BY PROFESSIONALS FROM OUTSIDE OUR ORGANIZATION. OUR MISSION IS TO PROVIDE WORLD-CLASS SERVICE. ALTHOUGH I FIRMLY BELIEVE WE ACHIEVE THIS DAILY, THE ACCREDITATION PROCESS SERVES AS A VALIDATION THAT WE DO WHAT WE SAY WE DO. THE REACCREDITATION PROCESS ITSELF IS BOTH DETAILED AND DEMANDING. IT BEGINS WITH AN EXTENSIVE INTERNAL REVIEW WITH OUR DOCUMENTS, OUR POLICIES AND PRACTICES, AND OUTCOMES. FROM THERE, THE PROCESS BREAKS DOWN INTO FOUR DISTINCT PARTS: FIRST, WE START WITH OUR COMMUNITY RISK ASSESSMENT. THIS INVOLVES EVALUATING UNIQUE HAZARDS WITHIN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AND CATEGORIZING THEM FROM LOW TO HIGH. [00:50:04] BASED ON THOSE RISK LEVELS, WE DEFINE OUR RESPONSE PLANS AND STRATEGIES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PREPARED FOR ANY SCENARIO. DURING THE DOCUMENT SUBMISSION PHASE AND EVALUATION PHASE, WE SUBMIT MATERIALS THAT SPAN 11 MAJOR CATEGORIES, 46 CRITERIA, AND 250 PERFORMANCE INDICATORS, ALL OF WHICH ARE REVIEWED AND MEASURED. THE THIRD STEP IS AN ONSITE PEER ASSESSMENT. A TEAM OF EXTERNAL PROFESSIONALS VISIT AND VALIDATE OUR DATA, EVALUATE OUR STANDARD TO COVER, AND CONDUCT INTERVIEWS WITH KEY PERSONNEL. THEY ALSO SCRUTINIZE THE METRICS SUPPORTING THE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS TO ENSURE THAT WHAT WE'VE SUBMITTED IS ACCURATE AND EFFECTIVE. FINALLY, WE GO BEFORE THE COMMISSION FIRE PROTECTION INTERNATIONAL. THIS PANEL CONSISTS OF 12 COMMISSIONERS WHO CAN ASK QUESTIONS RELATED TO ANY PART OF THE REACCREDITATION PROCESS. I'M PROUD TO SHARE THAT THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE IS ONE OF ONLY 15 ACCREDITED FIRE AGENCIES WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS. BUT EVEN MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN THAT, WE'RE ONLY ONE OF SIX AGENCIES IN THE ENTIRE WORLD THAT HAS COMPLETED THEIR SIXTH ACCREDITATION CYCLE, 25 YEARS GOING STRONG. THAT LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY AND COMMITMENT PLACES US AMONGST THE MOST ELITE PUBLIC SAFETY ORGANIZATIONS ANYWHERE. ON APRIL 3RD, THE COMMISSION FIRE PROTECTION INTERNATIONAL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE OUR REACCREDITATION. THE UNANIMOUS VOTE APPROVAL IS A POWERFUL AFFIRMATION OF THE WORK BEING DONE BY THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE SOUTHLAKE FIRE DEPARTMENT. BUT I ALSO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS A COLLECTIVE ACHIEVEMENT. THE REACCREDITATION PROCESS INVOLVES FAR MORE THAN JUST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IT INCLUDES CONTRIBUTIONS FROM DEPARTMENTS LIKE HUMAN RESOURCES, PUBLIC WORKS, AND MANY OTHER CITY STAFF. THEIR COLLABORATION AND SUPPORT, AND SHARED COMMITMENT TO HIGH STANDARDS ARE ESSENTIAL TO MAKING THIS POSSIBLE. THIS TRULY IS A CITY-WIDE ACCOMPLISHMENT. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK CHIEF CASTRO AND ROLAND TO JOIN ME. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE CHIEF CASTRO AND ROLAND DEGRAAUW FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE IN ENSURING THE SUCCESSFUL REACCREDITATION. BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE CRUCIAL IN OUR SUCCESS AND DEDICATED MANY HOURS, MAKING SURE WE WERE FULLY PREPARED. THEIR HARD WORK AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND LEADERSHIP THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS WERE INSTRUMENTAL. GUYS, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. COULDN'T HAVE DONE WITHOUT YOU. THANK YOU. BEFORE I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK OUR CITY MANAGER, ALISON ORTOWSKI AND HER TEAM AND THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONTINUED SUPPORT. AN AGENCY DOES NOT REMAIN ACCREDITED WITHOUT YOUR LEADERSHIP AND VALUES OF HIGH STANDARDS ACCOUNTABILITY AND COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE. YOUR SUPPORT MAKES OUR SUCCESS POSSIBLE. AT THIS TIME, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF WILSON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS PROJECT ON THE REACCREDITATION, BUT ALSO IN A BIGGER PICTURE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THIS INTERIM ROLE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. IT'S BEEN VERY IMPORTANT AS WE TRANSITION TO CHIEF LANGFORD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND STEPPING UP. I KNOW SOMEDAY YOU WILL BE A CHIEF IN YOUR OWN RIGHT, BUT WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THE CITY AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THIS INTERIM ROLE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MUCH APPRECIATED. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? >> YES, MAYOR, I'LL JUST ADD A COMMENT OF CONGRATULATIONS. I THINK SOMETIMES WE TAKE FOR GRANTED THESE ACCREDITATIONS AND WHAT IT IS OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ACCOMPLISHES. YOU'RE IN AND YOU'RE OUT. THANK YOU AGAIN, AND CONGRATULATIONS. THE MAYOR BEAT ME TO THE COMMENT ON A PERSONAL THANK YOU TO YOU. I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE ITEM WE'RE DISCUSSING, BUT ANYTIME YOU'RE PLACED INTO A LEADERSHIP POSITION OF A LARGE GROUP IN AN INTERIM CAPACITY, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF HAS ITS OWN CHALLENGES. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP DURING THIS INTERIM TIME HAS THRIVED, AND IT'S NEVER MISSED A BEAT AND OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN JUST AS SAFE AS THEY EVER WERE. WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> WELL, SAID, RANDY. LET'S GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. [APPLAUSE] THANK YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN, CHIEF WILSON. MUCH APPRECIATED. NEXT UP IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA] WE WENT OVER THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS DURING OUR WORK SESSION. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, COUNCIL, BEFORE WE GET A MOTION? SEEING NONE. [00:55:03] I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM KATHY TALLEY FOR A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND WE'RE ADDING ITEM 9A AS WELL. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEMS 4A-4C, NOTING WE REMOVED OR EXCLUDED ITEM 4D, OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND NOTING WE ARE ADDING ITEM 9A. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION CARRIES 6-0. THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED ALONG WITH ITEM 9A. NEXT UP IS PUBLIC FORUM. PUBLIC FORM IS A TIME WHEN THE PUBLIC CAN BRING FORWARD ITEMS OR DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING OUR PUBLIC FORUM ON AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA FOR LATER? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORM. NEXT UP IS ITEM 6A AND 6B, WHICH WE'LL TAKE TOGETHER. [Items 6.A. & 6.B.] ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-833, CASE NUMBER ZA25-0008, AND ALSO RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-017, CASE NUMBER ZA25-0009 REGARDING THE NOVUS ACADEMY. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. I HAVE SOMEHOW JUMPED TO THE WRONG SLIDE. THIS IS A SECOND READING OF THE ZONING CHANGE FOR THE NOVUS ACADEMY LOCATED AT 2250 EAST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD. THIS IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF EAST CONTINENTAL AND SOUTH KIMBALL AVENUE. THE ZONING REQUEST IS A CHANGE THERE, I-1, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT ZONING TO S-P-1, DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT THAT WOULD ALLOW A PROVISION FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL TO REQUEST A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO OPERATE AT THIS PARTICULAR LOT AND BUILDING. THE SECOND ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA, WHICH WILL BE INCLUDED IN THIS PRESENTATION IS FIRST THE ZONING REQUEST AND THEN THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUESTING THE PERMISSION TO OPERATE THE PRIVATE SCHOOL AT THE LOCATION. THIS IS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PROPERTY. THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS INDUSTRIAL, AND CURRENT ZONING IS I-1, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN OF THE BUILDING. THIS IS THE LAYOUT ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. THEY ARE INITIALLY OCCUPYING JUST UNDER 22,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE ALMOST 29,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING PER THEIR REPRESENTATIVE. A FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL TO OCCUPY THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. THE NOVUS ACADEMY IS A K-12 PRIVATE SCHOOL THAT SERVES CHILDREN WITH LEARNING DIFFERENCES AND OTHER SPECIAL LEARNING CHALLENGES. FOR THE '25-'26 SCHOOL YEAR, THEY'RE ANTICIPATING UP TO 50 ENROLLED STUDENTS, 40 FAMILIES, AND 17 STAFF MEMBERS. THE SCHOOL OPERATES FROM 7:50-3:30, AND STUDENTS MAY STAY UNTIL EITHER 4:30 OR 5:00 FOR VARIOUS AFTER-SCHOOL CLUBS AND CARE PROGRAMS. THIS IS THE OVERALL LOOK OF THE COMPLEX. THEY ARE OCCUPYING BUILDING WHERE MY CURSOR AND STAR IS. THIS SHOWS THE TYPICAL TRAFFIC PATTERNS FOR DROP OFF AND DELIVERY OF STUDENTS, AND THIS IS A CIRCULATION AROUND THE BUILDING AND PARKING AREA FOR DROP OFF AND PICK UP. SOME VIEWS OF THE SITE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON THESE ITEMS, AND WITH THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, RECOMMENDED THAT THAT BE ALLOWED THROUGH THE TERM OF THEIR LEASE AND ANY EXTENSIONS OF THAT LEASE. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE ZONING FIRST READING OF THIS ITEM THAT WOULD ALLOW THE PROVISION FOR THE PRIVATE SCHOOL SUP, IT WOULD RETAIN ALL THE EXISTING I-1 USES AND REGULATIONS, OTHERWISE. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM THOSE IN OUR NOTIFICATION AREA. IF THE COUNCIL WISHES, THE APPLICANT'S PREPARED TO WALK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. [01:00:04] THIS IS THE SAME PRESENTATION THEY PROVIDED AT YOUR FIRST READING, AND THEY ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, BUT IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO TAKE US THROUGH THE PRESENTATION? >> SURE. I'M AMY RICHARD. I'M THE HEAD OF SCHOOL AT THE NOVUS ACADEMY, AND MY ADDRESS IS 8613 TERRELL DRIVE IN NORTH RICHLAND HILLS. WE ARE THE NOVUS ACADEMY. WE'RE A PRIVATE SCHOOL FOR STUDENTS WITH LEARNING DIFFERENCES, SERVING STUDENTS KINDERGARTEN THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL. WE SERVE THE GREATER DFW AREA AND ITS SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FAMILIES FROM SOUTHLAKE AND ALL AROUND. WE ARE A FULLY ACCREDITED SCHOOL. WE PROVIDE EVIDENCE-BASED, HIGH-QUALITY, COMPREHENSIVE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING. WE PROVIDE WHOLE-CHILD EDUCATION AND INDIVIDUALIZED CURRICULUM, SMALL GROUP INSTRUCTION, ONE-TO-ONE TECHNOLOGY. WE HAVE A BIG EMPHASIS ON SOCIAL-EMOTIONAL LEARNING, AND WE HAVE DUAL CREDIT OPTIONS THROUGH TARRANT COUNTY COLLEGE FOR OUR STUDENTS AS WELL. WE FEEL THAT THE NOVUS ACADEMY IS A BENEFIT TO THE SOUTHLAKE COMMUNITY, AND WE ARE A STABLE TENANT. WE'VE BEEN IN THE GRAPEVINE AREA FOR 10 YEARS. WE'RE A WELL-KNOWN ORGANIZATION AND MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. WE ARE AN ALTERNATIVE EDUCATIONAL ENVIRONMENT FOR STUDENTS AND FAMILIES WHO STRUGGLE IN A TRADITIONAL EDUCATIONAL ENVIRONMENT. SOMETIMES A BIG CLASS SETTING FOR A STUDENT THAT LEARNS DIFFERENTLY IS CHALLENGING, AND WE PROVIDE THAT SMALL UNIQUE APPROACH TO HELPING STUDENTS WITH LEARNING DIFFERENCES. WE ARE NOT GOING TO CAUSE ANY TRAFFIC DELAYS. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE A VERY SMALL SCHOOL. WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 50 STUDENTS RIGHT NOW. WE CAN STAGGER OUR DROP-OFF TIME IF IT WERE EVER A PROBLEM, BUT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THERE BEING ANY KIND OF DELAYS, AND WE DON'T BRING ANY SAFETY CONCERNS. WE DON'T REQUIRE ANY INCREASED POLICE, FIRE, OR PUBLIC HEALTH, OR SAFETY PROTECTIONS. WE ARE BIG ON COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. WE HAVE OUR STUDENTS INTO THE SOUTHLAKE COMMUNITY ALREADY, WORKING WITH TEXAS WORKFORCE AND AREA BUSINESSES. WE HAVE A BIG EVENT THAT WE'VE LAUNCHED THAT WE'RE PARTNERING WITH URBAN AIR IN SOUTHLAKE AT THE END OF APRIL FOR AN AUTISM AWARENESS MONTH SENSORY FRIENDLY DAY THERE. WE HOLD UP FALL CARNIVAL. WE'VE JOINED THE SOUTHLAKE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ALREADY, AND WE LIKE TO HAVE OUR STUDENTS INVOLVED IN AREA NURSING FACILITIES DURING THE HOLIDAYS TO HELP BRING SOME CHEER TO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NEED SOME. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ABOUT THE NOVUS ACADEMY? >> THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. IT'S OUR SECOND READING, SO WE'VE SEEN IT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? ANY COMMENTS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ITEM 6A AND 6B BOTH REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS. I'LL OPEN PUBLIC HEARINGS ON ITEM 6A AND 6B, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THOSE ITEMS. NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE CITY SENT OUT PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS TO 19 PROPERTY OWNERS ON BOTH ITEM 6A AND 6B WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, NO RESPONSES ON ITEM 6A AND NO RESPONSES ON 6B. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING EITHER OR BOTH 6A AND 6B? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION, COUNCIL, BEFORE A MOTION. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, YOU'RE UP. >> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-833, ZA25-0008, SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR 2250 EAST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 4R-7R1, GREEN MEADOW SUBDIVISION, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS. THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED APRIL 8TH, 2025, AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025, AND NOTING THAT WITH THIS, WE WILL BE APPROVING ZONING AND SITE PLAN TO ADOPT AN S-P-1, DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT ZONING THAT WILL PERMIT A PRIVATE SCHOOL SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WHILE RETAINING THE I-1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT USES AND REGULATIONS CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON 6A. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> CAST YOUR VOTES. >> MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6A CARRIES 6-0. LET'S DO A MOTION ON 6B. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6B, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-017 ZA25-0009, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL FOR THE NOVUS ACADEMY ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 4R7R1, GREEN MEADOW SUBDIVISION, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND THEN LOCATED AT 2250 EAST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD, [01:05:02] SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED APRIL 8TH, 2025 AND SPECIFIC SUMMARY REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025. NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL, NOVUS ACADEMY, SUBJECT TO THE TERM OF THE LEASE AND ANY EXTENSIONS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6B CARRIES 6-0. CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK. NEXT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 6C, [6.C. Ordinance No. 480-GGGGG, ZA25-0013, 2nd Reading, amendments to the City of Southlake Zoning Ordinance No. 480, as amended, specifically pertaining to Section 47, Transition Zoning District (TZD). PUBLIC HEARING ] ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-GG GGG, CASE NUMBER Z8A25-0013. SECOND READING, AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 480 AS AMENDED, SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO SECTION 47, THE TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT, TZD. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. THIS SECOND READING, CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED FOR THIS ITEM. THOSE AMENDMENTS ADDRESS DENSITY CALCULATION AND METHOD WITH REGARD TO DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE MAXIMUM. ALSO, IT ADDRESSED OPEN SPACE CREDIT, LOT SIZE, AND ADJACENCY REGULATIONS. THIS IS A SHORT SYNOPSIS OF THE FIRST READING APPROVAL AND WHAT WAS ADDED TO THIS ORDINANCE. IT INCLUDED DENSITY CALCULATION BE BASED ON GROSS RESIDENTIAL AREA ONLY AND DOES RETAIN THE MAXIMUM TWO DWELLING PER ACRE CURRENTLY IN PLACE IN THE ORDINANCE. ON THE OPEN SPACE CREDIT, IT PROVIDES LANGUAGE THAT EXCLUDES DETENTION AREAS THAT ARE NOT DESIGNED AS AN AESTHETIC PASSIVE RECREATION AMENITY AND SPECIFIES THAT THAT IS SUBJECT TO CITY STAFF AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. ON MINIMUM LOT SIZE OR AREA, LANGUAGE HAS BEEN ADDED REQUIRING A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 10,890 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS A QUARTER ACRE OF LAND FOR EACH RESIDENTIAL LOT. THEN ON ADJACENCY STANDARDS, INCLUDED LANGUAGE WHERE PROPERTY IS ABUTTING EXISTING ZONE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT A MINIMUM SETBACK WOULD BE PROVIDED, 50 FEET FOR A ONE-STORY BUILDING, 70 FEET FOR A TWO-STORY BUILDING, AND 90 FEET MINIMUM FOR A THREE-STORY BUILDING. ADDITIONALLY, LANGUAGE THAT WOULD REQUIRE EITHER A MINIMUM 10 FEET WIDE F-1 TYPE BUFFER YARD OR A SOLID EVERGREEN VEGETATIVE SCREEN REACHING A HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET WITHIN THREE YEARS, AND ALSO THAT THAT BE MAINTAINED IN PERPETUITY. IT ALSO REQUIRES MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SCREENING, AND TRASH ENCLOSURE SCREENING, AS WELL AS DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. >> DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, CAN WE JUST GO BACK ONE SLIDE ON THE ADJACENCY STANDARDS? HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO OUR REGULAR RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARD FOR ADJOINING OR NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES? HOW DOES THAT COMPARE? >> THE ONLY THING THAT DIFFERS SLIGHTLY IS THE MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACK FOR A RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY THAT IS MEASURED ON A SLOPE SETBACK FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE AND THEN SETS A MINIMUM SETBACK OF 40 FEET FOR ANY ONE-STORY BUILDING THAT IS NO GREATER THAN 20 FEET IN HEIGHT. AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS, IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE, I HAVE AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS A COMPARISON OF THAT. >> SO WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED HERE FOR THE TZD IS IT HAS 50, SO IT'S MORE FEET AT LEAST ON A ONE-STORY BUILDING? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> AS FAR AS BUFFER YARDS, TYPICALLY, A NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AGAINST A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY HAS REQUIRED A F-1 TYPE BUFFER YARD AND IN SOME CASES HAS SUBSTITUTED THAT FOR AN EIGHT-FOOT EVERGREEN HEDGE, 6-8 FOOT IN SOME CASES, BUT EIGHT FEET IN THIS INSTANCE THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT SOFTER BUFFERING FROM BETWEEN PROPERTIES OTHER THAN A HARD, SOLID, OPAQUE CONSTRUCTED FENCE, WHICH IS WHAT'S REQUIRED IN AN F-1 BUFFER YARD. >> THANK YOU. >> MECHANICAL SCREENING IS THE SAME. TRASH ENCLOSURE SEPARATION AND SCREENING IS THE SAME. I'LL STEP THROUGH THE SPECIFIC AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO [01:10:02] THE ORDINANCE SO THAT THE COUNCIL CAN ABSORB THOSE IN CONSIDERING YOUR MOTION. THIS IS THE CURRENT LANGUAGE REGARDING DENSITY WITHIN THE TZD, AND WE ARE KEEPING THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN BLACK HERE AND ADDING THE LANGUAGE REGARDING THAT DENSITY SHALL BE CALCULATED ON THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BOUNDARY AND ANY OPEN SPACE THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA. ON THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS REGARDING ADJACENCY, LANGUAGE AND A SUBSECTION WILL BE ADDED THAT STATES THAT WHERE A TZD DISTRICT BOUNDARY IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO ANY LOT OR TRACT OF LAND WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING OF SF-20A, SF-20B, SF-30, SF-1A, SF-1B, SF-2, RE-5, OR RE-7, OR RPUD, THE NON-RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WITHIN THE TZD WILL NEED TO MEET THESE FOUR STANDARDS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, WHICH INCLUDES MINIMUM SETBACK OF 50 FEET FOR ONE-STORY BUILDING PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 20 FEET FOR EACH ADDITIONAL BUILDING STORY. CURRENTLY, THE TZD IS WRITTEN THAT NON-RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS CANNOT EXCEED THREE STORIES. THAT'S WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY. ALSO WOULD ADD THE 10-FOOT F-1 BUFFER YARD OR A SOLID EVERGREEN VEGETATIVE HEDGE THAT WOULD REACH A HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET OR GREATER WITHIN THREE YEARS, AND THAT THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED IN PERPETUITY. MECHANICAL SCREENING WOULD BE REQUIRED. THIS WOULD REQUIRE ANY POTENTIAL VIEW OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTY FROM A PERSON STANDING SIX FEET HEIGHT WITHIN THE BOUNDARY AND LOOKING TOWARDS THE PROPERTY AREA. ALSO WOULD INCLUDE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR TRASH ENCLOSURES, EIGHT-FOOT SOLID MASONRY SCREEN, AND SOLID GATE, FOUR-SIDED, AND WOULD REQUIRE THOSE TO BE AT LEAST 50 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. WITH REGARD TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS UNDER THE BLOCK AND LOT STANDARDS WITHIN THE REGULATION TABLE, WE WILL ADD LANGUAGE UNDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD COLUMN THAT WOULD REQUIRE LOTS TO BE AT LEAST 10,890 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS A QUARTER ACRE OF LAND OR MORE. UNDER PERFORMANCE DESIGN STANDARDS AND UNDER THE OPEN SPACE SUBSECTION STANDARD, LANGUAGE WILL BE ADDED IN A NEW SUBSECTION THAT DETENTION AREAS SHALL BE EXCLUDED FROM OPEN SPACE CREDIT UNLESS THEY ARE DESIGNED AS AN AESTHETIC PASSIVE RECREATION AMENITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SUBJECT TO STAFF AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. THEN ADDS LANGUAGE THAT A DETENTION AREA DESIGNED AS AN AESTHETIC RECREATIONAL AMENITY SHOULD RESEMBLE A NATURAL LANDSCAPE FEATURE SEAMLESSLY INTEGRATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE USE OF CURVILINEAR SHAPES, NATIVE AND/OR ADAPTIVE VEGETATION, AND NATURAL MATERIALS. THE FOLLOWING ARE GENERAL GUIDELINES TO BE FOLLOWED: GENTLE SIDE SLOPE SHOULD NOT EXCEED 4:1 SLOPES OR SHOULD BE FLATTER FOR SAFE, ACCESSIBLE GRADING, AND THESE ARE PREFERRED OVER STEEPER SLOPES AND WALLS AROUND SUCH A WATER FEATURE. THIS IS MORE IN LINE WITH WATER FEATURES ON THE PROPERTY. MINIMIZE CONCRETE AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACES TO MAXIMIZE EXTENT TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL. THEN INCLUDE WALKING LOOPS AND CONNECTIONS TO TRAILS, PROVIDE SEATING AREAS AND/OR GATHERING SPACES LIKE PICNIC SPOTS AND FISHING AREAS. INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE SOME GRAPHICS THAT WOULD PROVIDE GUIDANCE IN MAKING DECISIONS ON WHETHER THESE PROPOSALS HAVE MET THE STANDARDS THAT ARE SET HERE. UNDER AMENDMENTS AND REGULATIONS TO PROTECT EXISTING TZDS THAT ARE IN PLACE TODAY, WE'RE SPECIFICALLY ADDING LANGUAGE THAT TRANSITION DISTRICTS ADOPTED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS AMENDMENT SHALL [01:15:03] REMAIN SUBJECT TO THE USES AND REGULATIONS SPECIFIC FOR THEIR TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT AS IT WAS APPROVED, AND THE ONLY MANNER IN WHICH THAT COULD BE CHANGED IS UNDER THE PROVISIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THIS ORDINANCE FOR AMENDMENTS TO THAT DISTRICT. ALSO, AS A CORRECTION THAT WE FOUND IN GOING THROUGH THIS, IN THE TABLE OF USES, THERE WAS A REFERENCE ADDRESSING NON-RESIDENTIAL ACCESSORY BUILDINGS WITHIN A TZD AND THE REFERENCE THAT IT WENT TO HAS CHANGED WITH THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT AND SO THIS LANGUAGE CORRECTS THAT REFERENCE. WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR REFER TO ANY OTHER SUPPLEMENTAL EXHIBITS OR DOCUMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO WALK THROUGH. >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH AT THIS POINT? >> WELL, YOU HAVE THAT ON THE SETBACKS, DID YOU SHOW US THAT SLIDE? >> YES. >> THANK YOU. >> WHAT THIS SLIDE SHOWS IS A COMPARISON AT THE TOP OF THE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THE 4:1 SLOPE, AND IN THE MIDDLE, THE PROPOSED TRANSITION DISTRICT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. THEN JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, WHICH IS AT LEAST TO DATE THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS A NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDING APPROVED WITHIN IT THAT WAS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THE OVERLOOK, WILLOWTREE GARDENS. THIS LOWER EXHIBIT, THE BUILDING IS SHOWN TO MATCH THE MASSING OF WHAT WAS APPROVED ON THEIR PLAN, AND THEIR PARTICULAR PROPOSAL SET THAT BUILDING AT 90 FEET FOR A TWO-STORY BUILDING. THE EXACT HEIGHT OF IT HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED SINCE THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO COME FORWARD WITH A SITE PLAN, BUT THE REGULATIONS PERMITTED IT TO BE UP TO 35 FEET. THIS REPRESENTS A BUILDING EQUAL IN SIZE FROM A PROFILE STANDPOINT OF THEIR BUILDING AT 35 FEET AND TWO STORIES. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? WE MAY HAVE SOME HERE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. I SHOULD HAVE STARTED OFF THE PRESENTATION ON THIS AS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING OR WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH EXPLAINED THAT IF YOU HAVE A HOME THAT'S ALREADY IN A TZD, TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT, THIS DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. YOU CAN CONTINUE LIVING IN YOUR HOME FOR AS LONG AS YOU LIKE. THIS IS PROSPECTIVE GOING FORWARD FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS IN AREAS THAT HAVE TZD ZONING. THE REASON WE'RE DOING IT IS BECAUSE OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CASES THAT HAVE INVOLVED A FULL AUDIENCE LIKE WE HAVE TONIGHT, WHERE THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS, SOME RED FLAGS, SOME THINGS WE'VE NOTICED IN THE TZD ORDINANCE THAT WAS ENACTED, I THINK 20 YEARS AGO, THAT WE FELT LIKE IT WAS TIME TO REVISIT THAT ORDINANCE AND PERHAPS DO SOME CLEANUP, DO SOME AMENDMENTS TO REFLECT WHERE THE CITY IS NOW COMPARED TO WHERE THE CITY WAS 20 YEARS AGO. WE TOOK ON THAT EXTRA PROJECT, OR ACTUALLY DIRECTOR KILLOUGH AND HIS TEAM DID THE HEAVY LIFTING ON PICKING THAT ORDINANCE APART AND SEEING WHERE THERE WAS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT AND ROOM TO BRING IT MORE CURRENT. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. BUT AGAIN, IF YOU'RE ALREADY IN A HOME IN A TZD AREA, NO CHANGES FOR YOU. THIS IS ALL FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS AND HOW THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS A SECOND READING. I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6C. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT ON ITEM 6C, THE CITY SENT OUT 356 LETTERS TO PROPERTIES THAT WERE WITHIN ANY TZD DISTRICT IN THE CITY. WE ALSO SENT OUT 424 POSTCARDS TO PROPERTIES WITHIN 300 FEET OF A TZD DISTRICT. WE RECEIVED TWO NOTIFICATION RESPONSE FORMS THAT WERE SUBMITTED IN OPPOSITION. WE RECEIVED THREE EMAILS SUPPORTING ORDINANCE CHANGES IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. WE ALSO RECEIVED 33 PHONE CALLS REQUESTING INFORMATION AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE TZD ORDINANCE. I'LL NOTE FROM OUR FIRST READING TWO WEEKS AGO, WE HAD TWO PEOPLE SPOKE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM, JODIE BOYD AT 404 NORTH OAK STREET IN ROANOKE AND CURTIS YOUNG AT 1130 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE, SOUTHLAKE. THEY BOTH SPOKE IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6C AND THE AMENDMENTS TO TZD. [01:20:01] WE ALSO HAD THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF SOME OR ALL OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE TZD ORDINANCE. CHUCK TAGGART AT 700 SOUTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, STEPHANIE LOMA AT 2300, WEST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD IN SOUTHLAKE, AND JASON WANG AT 721, WINDING RIDGE TRAIL HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, ALL SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF AT LEAST SOME TYPE OF CHANGE TO THE TZD ORDINANCE. WE ALSO HAD HILARY RABELER AT 602, STONEBURY DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT WISH TO REGISTER HER SUPPORT. WE ALSO HAVE SOME EMAILS THAT HAVE COME IN. JESSICA ADCOCK, AND I DON'T SEE HER ADDRESS, BUT SENT IN AN EMAIL STATING SHE SUPPORTED THE AMENDMENTS TO THE TZD ORDINANCE, THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE TZD ORDINANCE. SHE LIVES IN FOXBOROUGH. I DON'T SEE HER ADDRESS. 801 CROSS LANE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. THANK YOU. ALSO HAVE AN EMAIL FROM AL ZITO, WHO I KNOW WHERE HE LIVES, ON POTOMAC PLACE, HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, SENT IN AN EMAIL, THIS WAS ON APRIL 1ST, THAT HE WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THAT MEETING, BUT I SEE THAT HE'S HERE TONIGHT, SO MAYBE HE'LL SPEAK TO THESE ITEMS WITH SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROPOSED CHANGES SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE ALSO HAD A COMMENT CARD OR NOTIFICATION RESPONSE FORM FROM CHAO ZOU FAMILY TRUST AT 705 WINDING RIDGE TRAIL HERE IN SOUTHLAKE STATING OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO TZD. WE ALSO HAD A NOTIFICATION RESPONSE FORM FROM JOHN DAY AT 404 WINDING RIDGE TRAIL HERE IN SOUTHLAKE STATING THAT THEY WERE OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO TZD. >> WE ALSO RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM SHERRY BERMAN, STATING SOME MORE PROPOSED CHANGES OR COMMENTING ON THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN LAID OUT DURING THE FIRST READING TO THE TZD ORDINANCE. I THINK THAT'S IT. TONIGHT, WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD FROM MICHAEL CARTER AT 1808 NATIVE DANCER PLACE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6C. MR. CARTER. >> I THINK HE LEFT. >> LEFT? WE'LL RECORD HIS OPPOSITION AGAIN FROM MICHAEL CARTER IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 6C. PUT THAT BACK. WE ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT FORM FROM MELISSA PARROTT AT 1901 WHITE OAK CLEARING AND HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD SUPPORT FOR ITEM 6C. AGAIN, IF ANYONE CHANGES THEIR MIND AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME. JUST WAVE AT ME, AND YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME UP AND SPEAK. BUT MELISSA PARROTT SUPPORTS ITEM 6C. HILARY RABELER AT 602 STONEBURY DRIVE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT WISHES TO RECORD SUPPORT FOR ITEM 6C. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR EMAILS AND COMMENT CARDS. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ITEM 6C AND THE AMENDMENTS TO TZD? YES, SIR. I THINK MR. ZITO WAS FIRST UP, SO COME ON DOWN. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND WE HAVE THE TIMING SYSTEM. YOU'LL SEE TO YOUR RIGHT, THE TIMING SYSTEM, GREEN MEANS GO. YOU GET THREE MINUTES. WHEN IT HITS YELLOW, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT, AND THEN AT RED, IF YOU COULD JUST WRAP IT UP, AND THAT WAY EVERYONE WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK, SO GO AHEAD. >> ROGER. THANK YOU. AL ZITO, 501 POTOMAC PLACE IN SOUTHLAKE. FIRST OFF, I WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE EFFORTS AND THE MOMENTUM THAT HAS BEEN FORTH ALREADY IN UPGRADING AND MAKING THIS ORDINANCE QUITE A BIT BETTER THAN IT WAS IN THE PAST. EXCUSE ME, I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT UNDER THE WEATHER. I HAVE A FEW OTHER THINGS TO ADD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. ONE THING IS DIMENSIONS FOR THE ORDINANCE. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO DIMENSION IN REGARDS TO WHERE THE ORDINANCE APPLIES. I'M SUGGESTING, BUT SUBJECT TO COUNCIL DELIBERATION, [01:25:01] A MINIMUM FIVE-ACRE TO MAYBE MAXIMUM 20-ACRE IS WHERE THIS ORDINANCE WOULD APPLY, SO IT DOESN'T JUST APPLY TO ANYTHING ANYWHERE. ANOTHER THING IS FOR THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING. IN ORDER TO MEET THE INTENT OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY MEANT FOR THIS TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT, THAT THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ARE LIMITED TO A TWO-STORY, NOT A THREE-STORY HEIGHT LIMITATION. THE OTHER THING IS, WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB IN REGARDS TO OR YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB IN REGARDS TO ADJACENCY OF COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE'VE GOT NOTHING SPECIFIED IN REGARDS TO RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. THERE IS ONE OF OUR ORDINANCES OR IN ONE OF AREAS, WE HAVE A SPECIFICATION WHERE 30,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD BACK UP TO AN ACRE AS AN EXAMPLE, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TINY LOTS BEHIND LARGER ACREAGES. WE SAW THAT IN ONE OR TWO OF THE APPLICATIONS LAST YEAR, THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE REAL POINTS OF CONTENTION IS THAT THESE SMALL LOTS WERE BEING PUT IN BACK OF, IN THIS CASE, HALF ACRE LOTS. THE THING THAT POTENTIALLY TO CONSIDER IS TO UTILIZE THAT SAME STANDARD, 30,000 SQUARE FOOT WHEN ADJACENT TO AN ACRE LOT, AND POTENTIALLY A THIRD ACRE LOT WHEN ADJACENT TO A HALF-ACRE LOT, SO THERE'S SOME COMMON SENSE IN REGARDS TO NOT HAVING 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS BEHIND ONE ACRE ESTABLISHED LOTS. THE OTHER THING IS, AND I THINK WE ALREADY GOT THIS COVERED IN REGARDS TO THE MINIMUM UNITS PER PER ACRE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 10,500 OR 10,600 A QUARTER ACRE, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER POTENTIALLY 15,000 SQUARE FOOT FOR THAT PARTICULAR SPECIFICATION. THE LAST THING IS THE QUARTER OVERLAY REGULATIONS. FOR SOME REASON, THE QUARTER OVERLAY IS EXCLUDED. I LIKE TO SEE THAT QUARTER OVERLAY EXCLUSION IS REMOVED AND THAT THOSE STANDARDS WOULD APPLY TO THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN IN THOSE AREAS. OTHER THAN THAT, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I GOT IT UNDER THREE MINUTES, MR. MAYOR. >> WELL DONE, SIR. THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU. >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> APPRECIATE, YOUR HONOR. >> NEXT UP, MR. TAGGART, COME ON DOWN, AND THEN IN THE FRONT ROW, MA'AM, YOU RAISED YOUR HAND, YOU'LL BE NEXT UP, SO YOU KNOW THE DRILL, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> YEAH. THANKS GUYS. MY NAME IS CHUCK TAGGART. I LIVE AT 700 SOUTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD. I WANT TO ECHO A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I HAD THE LAST SESSION THAT WE HAD AND A COUPLE MORE THAT I CAME UP WITH REAL QUICK. AL ZITO STOLE SOME OF THE THUNDER. WE PROBABLY JUST ON THE SAME WAVE LENGTH ON WHAT WE'RE THINKING ON THIS. THE FIRST POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE AT HOME THAT ARE ACTUALLY ARE WATCHING THIS AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THEM, I GOT PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHAT PROPERTY THEY'RE HERE FOR. PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS WHERE IT HAPPENS. THE DECISIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING TONIGHT THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE DOING ON THE TZD AFFECTS THE ENTIRE CITY, NOT JUST LARGE PROPERTIES ON BOB JONES, BUT THE REST OF US IN THE CITY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE CITY COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO MAY BE NOT SUPPORTING WHAT YOU'RE DOING TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY DON'T NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF IT. THIS IS A COMPLEX ISSUE. IT HAS BEEN FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE DISCUSSING IT. I DO THINK THAT BEING SHORT ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WARRANTS AT LEAST THE SUGGESTION THAT MAY BE TABLING THIS FOR THE NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS COMING IN MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA WITH FURTHER DISCUSSION. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU GUYS. A COUPLE OF POINTS I JUST WANT TO SAY IS, AGAIN, THANK YOU GUYS FOR CONSIDERING THIS. EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING, AND FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T QUITE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE TZD HAS DONE TO OUR CITY OR WHAT COULD DO TO OUR CITY, PLEASE JUST PAY ATTENTION TO THIS OR AT LEAST SOME OF THE DETAILS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. I DO WANT TO ECHO THE TWO-STORY MAX ON ADJACENT BUILDINGS, EVEN AT 90 FEET. IF I WAS IN A THREE-STORY BUILDING, 50, 60 FEET UP IN THE AIR, I COULD DEFINITELY SEE RIGHT INTO YOUR POOL, SO I REALLY DO THINK THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO CONSIDER THAT WITH A TWO-STORY MAX. THE LAST THING IS AL ZITO WAS SUGGESTING A 15,000 FOOT LOT. I WAS ACTUALLY SAY A THIRD OF AN ACRE, WHICH IS 14,520. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAR OFF FROM THE QUARTER ACRE LOT THAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING FOR NOW. THE PRIMARY REASON WHY I'M SAYING THIS IS IF YOU DREW A DIAGRAM OF [01:30:02] A 10-ACRE LOT AND PUT 20 PROPERTIES ON THERE AT 10,000 SQUARE FEET WITH YOUR OPEN AREAS, YOU REALLY DO STILL HAVE WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE A HIGH-DENSITY LOCATION. I REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THAT. ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT WOULD SIMPLY SAY, HEY, LOOK, A THIRD OF AN ACRE, WHETHER IT'S 14,520 OR 15,000, ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO APPLY FOR TZD HAS TO COME IN HERE ANYWAY. IF FOR SOME REASON, THERE IS A LEGITIMATE REASON FOR THEM TO ADJUST THAT LOT SIZE DOWN, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THAT ACTUAL ABILITY TO LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION AND ADJUST THOSE LOT SIZE DOWN. BUT AT LEAST ASKING FOR THAT AS A MINIMUM, MAKE SURE THAT WE GET REAL PROPERTIES IN HERE THAT THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. MA'AM, PLEASE COME DOWN. AGAIN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE THREE MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS ESTHER SPICKLER, 1950 SHADY OAKS DRIVE IN SOUTHLAKE. I GUESS I'M I'M HERE FOR 7A, THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, BUT I WANT A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I GUESS ABOUT THIS TZD WOULD BE APPLIED TO THAT PROPERTY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS NEXT, 7A? >> I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THAT THAT HAS A DIFFERENT ZONING. >> THERE'S ALSO FIVE ACRES AND RIGHT NEXT TO THE 21 ACRES, WHICH IS RATED AS COMMERCIAL, SO I WONDER IF THIS WOULD HAVE ANY APPLICATION BECAUSE THERE IS RESIDENTIAL BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NEXT TO IT. >> DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I THINK THE ADJACENT FIVE ACRES SHE'S SPEAKING OF, CURRENTLY HAS OFFICE COMMERCIAL AND USE DESIGNATION, SO A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT FROM A TZD MIGHT NOT BE APPROPRIATE UNDER THAT LAND USE CATEGORY. I THINK HER QUESTION'S REVOLVING AROUND YOUR ITEM 7. >> WHICH ITEM? WHAT'S IT AGAIN? >> C AND D, I BELIEVE. >> SHADY OAKS. >> RIGHT. >> YEAH. >> SHADY OAKS. >> QUESTION IS HOW THE TZD MIGHT APPLY TO THE ADJOINING TRACT TO THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. >> NOT THE ACTUAL PROPERTY WE'RE DECIDING TONIGHT, WHICH IS, I THINK A RPUD, RESIDENTIAL PLAN UNIT DISTRICT, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? >> RIGHT. >> I GUESS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE WEST, THERE'S AN UNDEVELOPED PIECE? >> IT'S NORTH. >> YEAH. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S NOT BEFORE US TONIGHT, SO IT'S HARD TO SAY HOW THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE OR HOW THAT WOULD FACTOR IN? WE HAVE TO SEE IT TO SEE WHAT THEY ASK FOR TO KNOW HOW THAT WOULD FACTOR IN. IT'S HARD TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER ON A HYPOTHETICAL. >> WELL, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS WAS APPLICABLE TO THE SITUATION. I DO OBJECT TO THE 21 ACRES THAT WE'LL DISCUSS WHEN I'LL COME BACK. >> ON ITEM 7C AND 7D. >> RIGHT. >> YEAH. I THINK THAT ONE HAS RPUD, NOT TZD, BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT HERE IN A FEW MINUTES. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 6C, THE TZD? I THOUGHT I SAW MORE HANDS. GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6C. COUNCIL, DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP ON, LET'S SEE, ONE ITEM IS TO LIMIT BUILDINGS HEIGHT TO TWO STORIES? I KNOW WHEN WE DID THE FIRST READING, WE HAD PROVISIONS FOR ONE-STORY, TWO-STORY, THREE STORIES. ANY THOUGHTS ON THE SUGGESTION OR QUESTION ABOUT LIMITING IT TO TWO-STORY BUILDINGS. IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA. I CAN'T REALLY IMAGINE A THREE-STORY BUILDING FITTING ON A TZD PROPERTY. THEY SEEM TO BE SMALLER PROPERTIES. >> I THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT IT TO TWO STORIES, ESPECIALLY SINCE IF WE MODIFIED THE SETBACK, FOR SURE YOU WANT IT. BUT THAT WAS MY POSITION LAST WEEK TOO. >> LIMIT IT TO TWO-STORY BUILDINGS? >> YES. >> OKAY. MINIMUM ACREAGE, I THINK, WAS BROUGHT UP THAT THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF ACRES TO ASK FOR A TZD ZONING. WAS IT FIVE ACRES, I THINK YOU MENTIONED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> FIVE TO 20. >> YEAH. >> THAT WAS WHAT WAS MENTIONED. >> THANKS. I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT IN THERE. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THEM CASE BY CASE, SO EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT. THERE MIGHT BE SOME THAT'S LIKE 4.9, OR 9.9, OR WHATEVER. I THINK WE JUST TAKE THOSE AS THEY COME. THE ADJACENCY RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS ASKING DIRECTOR KILLOUGH ABOUT EARLIER. WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITH THAT, AND THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHERE IT'S PROPOSED TO GO, IF YOU'RE ONE ACRE, THEN GO TO SAY, [01:35:01] 30,000 SQUARE FEET, 20,000 SQUARE FEET, WHAT DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT AS FAR AS ADJACENCY RESIDENTIAL NEW RESIDENTIAL TO OLD RESIDENTIAL, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? >> WE'VE HAD DIFFERENCES, BUT IDEALLY, YOU'D WANT IT TO MATCH IN SOME FORM. >> I THINK SO. MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT ON THE BOOKS IN OTHER PLACES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, DO WE HAVE THAT ALREADY? >> NOT WITHIN THE TZD, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WISH TO ADD AND YOU INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION, WE WILL ADD THAT AND ANY OTHER ADDITIONS YOU WANT TO THE APPROPRIATE SUBSECTION TO COVER THAT. >> I'M FINE WITH THAT. GOT THAT, RANDY? >> YEAH, LET'S BE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT THAT IS. WHAT IS THE ADJACENCY THAT WE WANT. >> WHEN IT'S NEW RESIDENTIAL, ADJACENT TO OLD RESIDENTIAL, WE'LL HAVE IT. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A TRANSITION WHERE IF THERE'S SAY, OLD ONE-ACRE LOT, WHAT'S ADJACENT TO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE 30,000 SQUARE FEET OR IF IT'S 30,000 SQUARE FEET, THE NEW ADJACENCY WOULD BE 20,000 SQUARE FEET, JUST A STEP LADDER, IF YOU WILL. >> WHAT'S THE STEP BY THEY'RE USING THEM? IS IT JUST WITH 10,000 LESS THAN WHAT IT'S BACKING UP TO? >> YEAH. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT ON IT. WE HAVE SF20, WE HAVE SF30, SO GO FROM ONE ACRE, TO 30,000, TO 20,000, SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING AN OLD ONE ACRE LOT, AND THEN YOU PUT A BRAND NEW QUARTER ACRE LOT RIGHT BESIDE IT. >> THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON SOME DEVELOPMENTS, CORRECT? THOSE REQUIREMENTS, ARE THEY IN PLACE SOME PLACE ELSE, DENNIS? >> CURRENTLY, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WHERE A NEW RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION IS BEING DEVELOPED AGAINST A SUBDIVISION THAT IS PLATTED IN ZONE ONE ACRE LARGER, IT REQUIRES WHAT ARE CALLED BUFFER LOTS, WHICH IT REQUIRES THAT THE LOT NEXT TO IT BE AT LEAST 30,000 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN ALSO HAVE A LOT WIDTH OF AT LEAST 125 FEET IN THAT SCENARIO. THE TZD AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, DOES NOT HAVE SUCH AN APPLICATION TO IT, AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WISHES TO ADD, IT'S A MATTER OF DETERMINING WHAT THE APPROPRIATE BUFFERING SIZE IS WHERE IT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO ONE OF THESE LISTED ZONING CATEGORIES IN PLACE HERE, AND DETERMINING HOW THAT WOULD BE APPLIED, AND WE COULD ADD THAT TO THE FINAL PRODUCT. >> COULD WE JUST SAY, APPLY THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IN THAT REGARD, OR DO YOU NEED NUMBERS, WHAT SPECIFICITY DO YOU NEED TO? >> IF YOU WANT IT TO BE UNIQUE TO THE TZD WHERE IT WOULD ADDRESS THE HYPOTHETICAL, WHERE IT ABUTS AN SF20 ZONE STANDARD RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OR A PROPERTY WITH A CERTAIN LOT SIZE IF THAT'S 20,000 SQUARE FEET, AS DISCUSSED, YOU COULD REQUIRE SOMETHING LIKE A ONE-THIRD ACRE LOT, WHERE IT ABUTS SUCH A THING AND A ONE ACRE LOT IF IT ABUTS A SF1 OR LARGER ZONED PROPERTY, A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, POTENTIALLY, OR WHATEVER SIZE YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE, AND THE LANGUAGE COULD BE WRITTEN IN AND SPECIFIC TO THE TZD SECTION. AS AN APPLICATION OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT, IT WOULD ONLY AFFECT PROPERTIES WHERE IT ABUTS EITHER LOW DENSITY DESIGNATED PROPERTY OR PLATTED PROPERTY OF ONE ACRE OR MORE. TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THAT, THE DEVELOPMENT ABUTS LOW DENSITY PROPERTY THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED TO THAT EXTENT YET. IT REQUIRES JUST THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH, WHERE IT ABUTS THOSE PROPERTIES, AND THEN WHERE IT IS ADJACENT TO PLATTED PROPERTY, THAT'S SF1 OR LARGER, IT'S THAT MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OR REAR LOT BOUNDARY WHERE IT ABUTS IT AND THE MINIMUM AREA OF 30,000 SQUARE FEET. >> I THINK I JUST WANT TO GET IT TO WHERE WE HAVE SOME SPECIFICITY ON LOT SIZES, THE WIDTHS, AND ALL THAT. THAT'S TOUGHER FOR ME TO FOLLOW. I THINK JUST THE LOT SIZES, IF WE CAN JUST SCALE IT BY LOT SIZE, GO ONE ACRE, [01:40:01] AND EITHER GO 30,000 SQUARE FEET OR HALF ACRES, OR WHATEVER. >> I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE ONE-ACRE OR GREATER OLD RESIDENTIAL THAT IT WOULD GO TO 30 TRANSITION, AND THEN AT 30, IT TRANSITIONS TO 20. I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO GO ANY FURTHER BECAUSE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE RIGHT NOW, AT A QUARTER ACRE, YOU'RE THERE. THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE TRANSITION IS THAT YOU WORK FROM LARGER TO SMALLER TO EVENTUALLY COMMERCIAL. >> I LIKE THAT. JUST FOR MY IDENTIFICATION, THOUGH, WHAT'S THE DELINEATION FOR THIS, BECAUSE THESE PIECES OF LAND ARE TYPICALLY SURROUNDED BY MULTIPLE OPTIONS? THEY'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL ON ONE SIDE, MAYBE COMMERCIAL ON ANOTHER. WHICH PIECES OF THAT PROPERTY? TO ME, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE TRANSITION IS TO TRANSITION. IF WE START PIGEONHOLING OURSELVES INTO SF-30, WE ALREADY REQUIRE 10,000 MINIMUM AND NO MORE THAN TWO DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE. WE'VE REMOVED ALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY FROM THE GROSS CALCULATIONS ON THERE. WE'VE DISCUSSED, EVEN IF YOU PUT TWO LOTS ON THERE AT THE MINIMUM OF 10,000, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A HALF ACRE OF OPEN SPACE AROUND THERE. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE TAKING THE TRANSITION AND JUST TRYING TO PIGEONHOLE IT SO MUCH THAT IT'S NOT. >> WELL, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOUNT FOR IS IF IT IS NEXT TO AN EXISTING ONE-ACRE RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS RESIDENTIAL OR RESIDENTIAL. IF IT ABUTS AND IS ADJACENT TO AN EXISTING ONE-ACRE RESIDENTIAL LOT, SO THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING A QUARTER-ACRE NEW LOT RIGHT BESIDE A HALF-ACRE OR A FULL-ACRE RESIDENTIAL EXISTING LOT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THAT. IF IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT, THEN THIS DOESN'T EVEN APPLY. >> IS THE WHOLE DISTRICT IT HAVE TO BE AT OR JUST THOSE LOTS THAT TOUCH THAT PIECE? >> THE ADJACENTS. THE ONES THAT ARE ADJACENT AND ABUTTING TO IT. >> I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN APPLY THIS PARTICULAR REGULATION IS IF THE SUBDIVISION IS DESIGNED SUCH THAT THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITHIN THE TZD ARE DIRECTLY ABUTTING THE COMMON LOT BOUNDARY OF THE ADJOINING SF-20, SF-1, WHATEVER STANDARD YOU PUT FROM A ZONING CATEGORY. >> ONE-ACRE LOTS, 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, AND DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS OR QUARTER-ACRE LOTS, CORRECT? >> NO, 30-20, AND THEN 20 TO QUARTER. >> THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD DO. IT WOULD GO 40, 30, 20 BECAUSE INSIDE THE TRANSITION, OR IS THIS JUST THE ADJACENCY? >> WITHIN THE NEW TZD, THAT'S HOW IT'D GO. >> [OVERLAPPING]. HE'S MAKING THE RIGHT POINT, WHICH IS, IF IT'S ONLY APPLICABLE TO THE ADJACENT CP, SO IF YOU HAD A ONE-ACRE LOT AND YOU REQUIRED NOW TO GO 30,000, YOU CAN DROP STRAIGHT TO A QUARTER ACRE AT THAT POINT BECAUSE YOU'RE NO LONGER ADJACENT. THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S SOMETHING TO DISCUSS IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. AGAIN, THE IDEA OF THE ADJACENCY AND ABUTTING PROTECTION FOR THE CURRENT IS THAT YOU ARE PROTECTING THEM BY GOING FROM THE ONE ACRE TO 30? >> I GET THAT. >> I'M OKAY, GOING FROM THERE. ONCE YOU'VE PROTECTED THAT AREA, NOW YOU'VE GOT THAT PROTECTION FOR THOSE PREVIOUS HOMEOWNERS. IN ESSENCE, THAT WOULD JUST MEAN YOU WOULD ONLY NEED REALLY ONE NEW ADDITION HERE, WHICH IS THAT FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT TO OLD, THAT THE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE A MINIMUM STANDARD FROM ONE ACRE DOWN TO 30. >> GOOD WITH THAT. >> IT SHOULD STILL INCLUDE THE 30 DOWN TO 20, THOUGH, BECAUSE IF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS 30, THEN IT NEEDS TO GO TO 20. >> CAN WE GET A MOTION? >> WE'RE KEEPING THE MINIMUM LAND SIZE, THOUGH, TO A THIRD. >> [OVERLAPPING]. IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED BECAUSE THAT CAME UP. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LOSING THAT IN THE DISCUSSION. >> IT'S ALREADY IN THERE. >> THAT'S IN THERE. WHAT ABOUT THAT POINT? >> I'M OKAY WITH JUST GOING FROM THE ACRE TO 30,000. >> I'M SORRY. I WAS GOING TO THE MINIMUM. WE PASSED A QUARTER ACRE. THERE WAS SOME SUGGESTION OR QUESTION AROUND 15. I'M STILL COMFORTABLE WITH A QUARTER ACRE. I AGREE WITH. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US BEFORE YOU CRAFT A MOTION? >> THE OTHER POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IS THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY, WHETHER OR NOT THAT SHOULD APPLY TO THESE DEVELOPMENTS. >> FOR COMMERCIAL STUFF? >> YES. >> DENNIS MAY BE ABLE TO HELP US BECAUSE I THINK THAT CURRENTLY THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE IN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN CORRIDOR OVERLAY ARE IN OUR CURRENT. [01:45:08] >> CORRECT. THE MECHANICAL SCREENING AND THE BUFFER YARD HAS BEEN ADDED, WHICH WOULD TYPICALLY BE REQUIRED IN A DISTRICT WHERE IT'S ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN THE TRASH ENCLOSURE. AS FAR AS BUILDING ARTICULATION, MASONRY REQUIREMENTS, IN MOST CASES, IF IT'S NOT IN THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY, THOSE STANDARDS CAN'T BE APPLIED DUE TO THE LEGISLATURE HAVING PREEMPTED CITIES FROM REGULATING METHODS OF CONSTRUCTION OR MATERIALS OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S PERMITTED IN THE BUILDING CODE. >> BUT IF IT IS IN THE CORRIDOR, IT CAN BE. FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMETHING IS ON 1709. >> AS THE TZD'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, IT IS EXEMPT FROM OVERLAY STANDARDS, AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO ADD STANDARDS SPECIFIC TO THE TZD WHERE IT ABUTS RESIDENTIAL. >> THEORETICALLY, COULD WE ADD THE OVERLAY TO PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE ON 1709 AND 114 IF YOU HAVE A TZD PROPERTY THAT IS ON ONE OF THOSE? I THINK I VISITED WITH YOU AND YOU SAID IT'S IN ANY NUMBERED ROAD. IS THAT CORRECT, 1938, 1709? COULD WE GO ADD THAT LANGUAGE TO THE TZD? >> IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WISHES TO DO, YES, YOU COULD APPLY THOSE STANDARDS TO NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT BE ALONG THE CORRIDOR AREA. >> ANY CORRIDOR? RANDY HAS TO GET THE LANGUAGE RIGHT. APPLYING THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY STANDARDS TO ANY FUTURE TZD PROPERTY ALONG A CORRIDOR. IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU, DENNIS AND YOUR TEAM? >> YES, MAYOR. >> MEANS WE HAVE A CLEAR DEFINITION OF A CORRIDOR? >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILO. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, UNLESS THERE'S ANY MORE DISCUSSION. LET'S GO. >> MAYOR, COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6C, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-GGGGG, ZA25-0013, SECOND READING, AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 480 AS AMENDED, SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO SECTION 47 TRANSITIONAL ZONING DISTRICT KNOWN AS TZD. NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING EVERYTHING PRESENTED TONIGHT WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS TO THAT. AS IT RELATES TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WE ARE GOING TO INCLUDE THAT ALL NEW RESIDENTIAL THAT IS ADJACENT AND ABUTTING OLD RESIDENTIAL WOULD REQUIRE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE LOT OF 30,000 SQUARE FEET WHEN ABUTTING A ONE-ACRE OR GREATER PRIOR CONSTRUCTION OR RESIDENTIAL, AND ALSO A MINIMUM 20,000 SQUARE FEET, WHERE ABUTTING A PRIOR 30,000 SQUARE FOOT RESIDENTIAL. ALSO NOTING THAT WE ARE GOING TO LIMIT ADJACENCY TO TWO-STORY BUILDINGS RATHER THAN THREE-STORY BUILDINGS, AND FINALLY THAT WE ARE APPLYING THE CURRENT CORRIDOR OVERLAY PROPERTY ADJACENCY REQUIREMENTS TO FUTURE TZD APPLICATIONS. >> THAT ARE ALONG A CORRIDOR. >> EXCUSE ME. THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO AND ALONG A CORRIDOR. >> GOOD MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION CARRIES 6-0, AND THOSE AMENDMENTS TO TZD ARE APPROVED. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON. GOOD MOTION. NEXT UP IS ITEM 6D, [6.D. Resolution No. 25-018, ZA25-0015, Specific Use Permit for Outdoor Sales and Services for Camp Gladiator on property described as Lot 5R, Green Meadow Subdivision, an addition to the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 800 S. Kimball Ave. Current Zoning: "CS" Community Services District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING ] RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-018, CASE NUMBER ZA25-0015, [01:50:03] A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR OUTDOOR SALES AND SERVICES FOR CAMP GLADIATOR. DIRECTOR KILO. I THINK THIS IS A RENEWAL. >> YES. THIS IS A REQUEST TO RENEW THE CAMP GLADIATOR THAT'S OPERATED, I BELIEVE, FOR BETTER PART OF 10 YEARS OR SO. >> WITH THAT, DOES ANYONE REALLY NEED AN APPLICATION ON THIS? HAS ANYTHING CHANGED AS FAR AS THE OPERATIONS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, OR IS IT JUST A STRAIGHT RENEWAL? >> IT IS GENERALLY THE SAME. THEY HAVE INDICATED WHERE THEIR PRIMARY WORKOUT AREAS ARE, AND DUE TO JUST COMMUNICATION WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED. THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THEM AND HAVE COME TO AGREEMENT ON SOME ADJUSTMENTS THEY CAN MAKE AND HOW THEY CONDUCT THEIR WORKOUTS TO HAVE LESS OF AN IMPACT ON THOSE HOMEOWNERS [INAUDIBLE] >> IN RESPONSE TO THE NEIGHBORS, THEY'VE MADE SOME CHANGES? >> YES. >> I THINK, SPECIFICALLY NOISE, PROBABLY IN WHEN THEY HAVE SOME PRETTY EARLY WORKOUTS, AND KUDOS TO THEM FOR HAVING EARLY MORNING WORKOUTS. FOR THE PERSON WHO WANTS TO STAY IN BED AND HAVE TO HEAR THE MUSIC, WE'RE RENEWING IT, BUT DO WE HAVE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THE LANGUAGE SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THOSE NEIGHBORS, VERSUS WHAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TAKING THEIR WORD FOR, THAT THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF IT? >> WE'RE GOING AT THE WORD OF THE APPLICANT THAT THEY'VE REACHED OUT AND SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS. THERE WERE, I BELIEVE, TWO THAT SPOKE AT PNZ THAT JUST SAID THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS DURING SOME OF THE WORKOUTS. >> I THINK THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS, WE HAVE A NO-WAY ORDINANCE. WHEN YOU TRY TO DEFINE THAT, HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT? YOU PASS AN ORDINANCE AND SAY THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO TURN IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT? >> [INAUDIBLE] I'M ASKING. >> NO, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT. WELL, WE HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS, AND MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOMEONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL HEAR ABOUT IT THEN. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED FROM DIRECTOR KILO ON THIS? >> OTHER THAN THIS EXHIBIT, IS THERE ANY ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO REFER TO? I CAN SWITCH BACK AND FORTH IF YOU NEED ME TO. >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD. YOU CAN JUST LEAVE THAT ONE UP FOR NOW. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILO. >> THANK YOU. >> IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN MAYBE IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE NOISE AND WHAT THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE MAKING TO ACCOMMODATE THE RESIDENTS', NAME AND ADDRESS. >> BROOK NICHOLSON, 111 OAKMONT DRIVE, TROPHY CLUB, TEXAS. TO CLARIFY, WE'VE BEEN HERE 15 YEARS IN SOUTH LAKE, OPERATING OUR WORKOUTS. I WILL SAY OUR CLASS SIZE IS PROBABLY HALF THE SIZE THAT'S MENTIONED IN THE APPLICATION, SO ANYWHERE FROM FIVE, REALLY, MAX 25 THAT WE HAVE NOW. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT SOUTH PARKING LOT, IT'S ACTUALLY THE NORTH PARKING LOT, THE TWO RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON THE END, THE 2810, I CAN'T READ WHAT THE OTHER ONE IS, BUT ACROSS THE STREET, 2811. MAYBE WE WERE THE TWO THAT I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH. 2811 SAID THEY WERE UNDECIDED, BUT WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION. HE'S COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE, ASSURED ME THAT HE'S GOOD WITH THE ACCOMMODATIONS WE'VE MADE. 2810, I REACHED OUT AND DID NOT GET ANY RESPONSE. BUT WHAT WE DID DO IN THIS PAST WEEK, JUST BASED ON THE PNZ, WE MOVED EVERYTHING TO THE SOUTH PARKING LOT, WHERE WE'RE DOING THE MAJORITY OF THE WORKOUTS, EXCEPT FOR THE 6:00 PM, WHICH WE WERE DOING IN THE NORTH PARKING LOT. MOVE THAT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS AND NOW ARE ON THAT SOUTH PARKING LOT BEHIND THE BUILDINGS, AND ADJACENT TO THE FIELDS. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> ALL YOUR MORNING, YOU'RE SAYING IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN HERE, AND THAT YOU DO HAVE AN EVENING CLASS AT 6:00 PM ON THE TOP? >> YES. IN THE PAST, WE HAVE MOVED THE 8:30 AM TO THE FAR NORTH SIDE OF THE LOT UNDER THE TREES THERE JUST BECAUSE IT'S ONLY SHADE AT THE TIME, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THAT IF THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE. >> IS IT A MUSIC ISSUE, THE VOLUME OF THE MUSIC? >> AT THE LAST PNZ, THERE WAS A MENTION OF WEEKENDS, WHICH WE HAVEN'T HELD WEEKENDS THERE, AND PROBABLY PRE-COVID TIMES. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE SPECIFIC ISSUE. I DIDN'T GET FEEDBACK ON WHAT EXACTLY WAS THE ISSUE THERE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? [01:55:02] I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT CHANGE. >> SURE. THANK YOU. >> ITEM 6D REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6D. I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT 19 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT. TWO RESPONSES: SHALOFA REDDY AT 2810 BROOKSHIRE DRIVE RESPONDED IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM, AND KIMBERLY MCTAVISH AT 2809 BROOKSHIRE DRIVE RESPONDED UNDECIDED. I THINK THAT'S IT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ITEM 6D, CAMP GLADIATOR? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON MAKES A MOTION? RANDY, IT'S ALL YOURS. >> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6D, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-018 ZA25-0015, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR OUTDOOR SALES AND SERVICES FOR CAMP GLADIATOR ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 5R, GREEN MEADOW SUBDIVISION, IN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 800 SOUTH KIMBALL AVENUE. THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED APRIL 8TH, 2025, AND THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED MARCH 28TH, 2025. NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING A RENEWAL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT CURRENTLY IN PLACE FOR CAMP GLADIATOR, APPROVING THE SUP FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, EFFECTIVE MAY 25, 2025. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. >> THAT MOTION CARRIES 6-0, AND ITEM 6D IS APPROVED. CONGRATULATIONS. NEXT UP IS ITEM 6E, [6.E. Ordinance No. 1228D, 2nd Reading, amending Article V, “Boards, Commissions and Committees,” of Chapter 2, “Administration;” to eliminate the Alliance for Community Engagement and to revise the tenure of the Chair position for Boards, Commissions, and Committees, of the Southlake Code of Ordinances. PUBLIC HEARING ] ORDINANCE NUMBER 1228D, SECOND READING, AMENDING ARTICLE 5 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES OF CHAPTER 2 ADMINISTRATION TO ELIMINATE THE ALLIANCE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND TO REVISE THE TENURE OF THE CHAIR POSITION FOR BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES OF THE SOUTHLAKE CODE OF ORDINANCES. ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER STACY BLACK WILL LEAD US THROUGH THIS ONE. >> I WILL. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. AS THE MAYOR SAID, THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS TO REQUEST AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 1228D. THIS ITEM LINKS BACK TO YOUR STRATEGY MAP RELATIVE TO THE FOCUS AREA OF VOLUNTEERISM AND PARTNERSHIPS. FIRST, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. ORDINANCE 1228C IS YOUR CURRENT ACTIVE ORDINANCE, AND IT SPECIFICALLY RELATES BACK TO YOUR BOARDS COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES. IT PROVIDES THOSE INDIVIDUALS SERVING ON BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES, THEIR ROLE, IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE APPOINTED THEIR TERM LIMITS, AND PROVIDES GENERAL GUIDANCE TO THOSE MEMBERS. YOU MAY RECALL IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR AT THE WINNER WORKSHOP, WE TALKED WITH COUNSEL ABOUT TWO POLICY CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING THE ORDINANCE WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR BOARD AND COMMISSIONS PROGRAM. SPECIFICALLY, WE DISCUSSED THE ALLIANCE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND TERM LIMITS FOR YOUR BOARD CHAIRS. YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE ALLIANCE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WAS FORMED WHEN WE MORPHED THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMMITTEE ALONG WITH THE MAYOR'S ALLIANCE FOR CULTURE AND UNITY TOGETHER INTO ONE TO FORM ALLIANCE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. SINCE THAT TIME, BOARD HAS DONE A LOT OF GREAT WORK FOR US, HOSTING SPIN FORUMS, DOING EVENTS IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT AS THIS COMMUNITY IS VERY ENGAGED, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR STAFF TO FIND MEANINGFUL WORK THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR MISSION FOR THIS PARTICULAR BOARD. WE ALSO RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE FOUR MEMBERS APPOINTED, SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A QUORUM TO HOLD THIS PARTICULAR BOARD'S WORK. AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF CITY COUNCIL, WE ARE PROPOSING TO DISSOLVE THE ALLIANCE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THEN REDIRECT THE RESOURCES TO OTHER AREAS SUCH AS A NEWLY FORMED ADVISORY COMMISSION ON PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES. THE SECOND PROPOSED AMENDMENT LINKS BACK DIRECTLY TO YOUR CHAIR TERM LIMITS. THE CURRENT LANGUAGE ALLOWS FOR CHAIRS TO SERVE A FOURTH CONSECUTIVE TWO YEAR TERM. WE HAVE FOUND AND HEARD FEEDBACK FROM OUR BOARD MEMBERS THAT THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT SOME ONGOING LEADERSHIP CONTINUITY ON THE BOARD. AS YOU HAVE CHAIRS TERM OUT AND YOUR CURRENT MEMBERS TERM OUT, THERE'S LOSS OF SOME OF THAT KNOWLEDGE. BY AMENDING THIS LIMIT TO ALLOW FOR THREE ADDITIONAL CONSECUTIVE TWO-YEAR TERMS, WE ALLOW FOR SOME OF THE STABILITY OF YOUR BOARD CHAIRS OVER TIME. ON THE SCREEN HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE AND THE PROPOSED REVISION. THERE'S NO FINANCIAL IMPACT DUE TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, AND THEY REALLY FOCUS ON MAKING SURE YOUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FORM AND FOCUS THE WAY IN WHICH YOU DESIRE. WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 1228D, AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. ITEM 6E REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6E. DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK REGARDING 6E? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T SEE ANY COMMENT CARDS OR ANY ONLINE SUBMITTALS. COUNSEL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON MAKES A MOTION? [02:00:01] ALL GOOD? ANY QUESTIONS? MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON. >> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6E, ORDINANCE NUMBER 1228D, SECOND READING AMENDING ARTICLE 5, BOARDS COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES OF CHAPTER 2 ADMINISTRATION TO ELIMINATE THE ALLIANCE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND TO REVISE THE TENURE OF THE CHAIR POSITION FOR BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES OF THE SOUTHLAKE CODE OF ORDINANCES. NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING AS PRESENTED TO ELIMINATE THE ALLIANCE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BOARD AND REVISING THE TENURE OF THE CHAIR POSITIONS FOR BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> CAST YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 6E IS APPROVED. NEXT UP, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ITEM 7A AND 7B TOGETHER. [Items 7.A. & 7.B. ] THESE ARE PERTAINING TO APPOINTING ASSOCIATE JUDGES TO THE MUNICIPAL COURT. 7A IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 1290. 7B IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 1291, FIRST READING TO CONSIDER REAPPOINTING KARA CARRERAS AND LINDSAY KINZIE AS ASSOCIATE JUDGES. MS. BLACK. >> GOOD EVENING AGAIN. AS MAYOR MENTIONED, THE PURPOSES ITEMS IS TO CONSIDER REAPPOINTING YOUR ASSOCIATE JUDGES. OF COURSE, THIS LINKS BACK TO OUR PARTNERSHIP IN VOLUNTEERISM ON YOUR STRATEGY MAP. FIRST, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. THE ASSOCIATE JUDGE POSITIONS ARE APPOINTED BY COUNSEL. THE CHARTER DOES INCLUDE A NUMBER OF REQUIREMENTS IN CHAPTER 5. IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT ANY ASSOCIATE JUDGE MUST BE A LICENSED ATTORNEY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, MUST BE IN GOOD STANDING, AND MUST HAVE TWO OR MORE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE PRACTICING LAW IN TEXAS. THE ASSOCIATE JUDGES DO SERVE THAT TWO YEAR TERM, AND YOUR MOST RECENT COMPETITIVE SELECTION PROCESS WAS IN 2023. CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSED THE ASSOCIATE JUDGE APPOINTMENTS AT THEIR LAST EXECUTIVE SESSION ON APRIL 1ST, AND AS A RESULT, THAT DISCUSSION DIRECTED STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE INITIATING THE REAPPOINTMENT OF THE CURRENT JUDGES. THE ASSOCIATE JUDGES DO PERFORM DUTIES IN ABSENCE OF OUR PRIMARY MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGE, JUDGE MONTGOMERY, AND YOU CAN SEE THE TWO ASSOCIATE JUDGES UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT THIS EVENING HERE ON THE SCREEN. FIRST IS KARA CARRERAS. JUDGE CARRERAS WAS LICENSED TO PRACTICE LAW IN 2002 AND HAS SERVED AS AN ASSOCIATE JUDGE FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE SINCE 2023. HER LEGAL EXPERIENCE INCLUDE SERVING AS AN ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY FOR THE ROCKWELL DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WORKING AS A CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY AND AS A PARTNER OWNER OF THE CARRERAS LAW GROUP. JUDGE CARRERAS IS A SOUTHLAKE RESIDENT WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED IN THE COMMUNITY, SERVING AS THE SOUTHLAKE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE METROPORT TEEN COURT BOARD AND ALSO IN THE CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT BOARD. JUDGE KINZIE HAS BEEN LICENSED TO PRACTICE LAW SINCE 2008 AND HAS SERVED AS AN ASSOCIATE JUDGE FOR CITY OF SOUTHLAKE SINCE 2021. HER LEGAL BACKGROUND INCLUDES EXPERIENCE AS AN ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY FOR TARRANT COUNTY, A CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AND AS GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE GATE HOUSE. ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING ARE 1290 AND 1291; APPOINTING BOTH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO SERVE ASSOCIATE JUDGES FOR A TWO YEAR TERM THROUGH APRIL 30TH OF 2027. THEY ALSO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE EMPLOYMENT AGREEANCE FOR BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS. THERE IS NO NEGATIVE BUDGETARY IMPACT FOR THESE REQUESTS. THEY ARE FULLY BUDGETED IN THE FY 2025 BUDGET. STAFF RECOMMENDS CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE FIRST READING OF THIS ORDINANCE. I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THEY'RE NOT FULL TIME EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY. THEY'RE THERE TO SUPPORT AND FILL IN FOR JUDGE CAROL MONTGOMERY, OUR MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGE IF SHE'S NOT AVAILABLE FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND THEY JUST FILL IN AS NEEDED AND ARE PAID ACCORDINGLY. >> YOU ARE CORRECT. >> COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM, OR THESE TWO ITEMS? SORRY. ITEM 7A AND 7B DO NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE STILL HAVE A FULL HOUSE HERE, SO I'LL OPEN PUBLIC HEARINGS ON 7A AND 7B. IF ANYONE WOULD WISH TO SPEAK REGARDING 7A AND 7B, OUR ASSOCIATE JUDGES FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT. ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON 7A AND 7B. COUNSEL, ANY DISCUSSION? I DON'T THINK SO. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON. >> YES, MAYOR AND COUNSEL I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 7A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 1290 FIRST READING, APPOINTING KARA CARRERAS, AS AN ASSOCIATE JUDGE OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT OF RECORD, AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE ASSOCIATE MUNICIPAL JUDGE. NOTING THAT WE ARE AGAIN APPROVING APPOINTING KARA CARRERAS AS THE ASSOCIATE JUDGE OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT OF RECORD AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION TO APPROVE CARRY 6-0. ITEM 7A IS APPROVED. LET'S DO 7B. >> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 7B, ORDINANCE NUMBER 1291, FIRST READING, APPOINTING LINDSAY KINZIE AS AN ASSOCIATE JUDGE OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT OF RECORD AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE ASSOCIATE MUNICIPAL JUDGE. NOTING THAT WITH APPROVAL, WE'RE APPOINTING LINDSAY KINZIE AS THE ASSOCIATE JUDGE OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT OF RECORD AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE. [02:05:03] >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON 7B. THAT MOTION CARRY 6-0. ITEM 7B IS APPROVED. THANK YOU. NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ITEM 7C AND 7D TOGETHER. [Items 7.C. & 7.D.] ITEM 7C IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 1269-D, CASE NUMBER CP25-0001, FIRST READING, AND AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. ITEM 7D IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-830, CASE NUMBER ZA25-0005, FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 1835 SHADY OAKS DRIVE. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY PRESENTATION WILL GO THROUGH BOTH THE LAND USE PLAN AND ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND YOUR ACTIONS WILL BE TAKEN INDIVIDUALLY ON THESE ITEMS. THIS IS THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 21 ACRES, ONE FOURTEEN'S ON THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN. SHADY OAKS DRIVE IS ON THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL. IT ALSO HAS A MULTI TENANT OFFICE OVERLAY LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT RECOMMENDS DEVELOPMENT OF LARGER SCALE 2-4 STORY BUILD A SUIT OR SPEC BUILT OFFICE TYPE DEVELOPMENTS RANGING IN 50,000 SQUARE FOOT OR LARGER. THIS IS AN OPTIONAL LAND USE CATEGORY ON TOP OF THE PRIMARY OR PRINCIPLE, WHICH IS THE OFFICE COMMERCIAL. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL. THE FIRST APPLICATION IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE LAND USE PLAN, CHANGING THE OFFICE COMMERCIAL ON THE 21 ACRE BOUNDARY OF THIS PROPERTY TO MEDIUM DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL, ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO SHADY OAKS DRIVE. IF APPROVED ON FIRST READING, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU INCLUDE REMOVAL OF THE MULTI TENANT OFFICE OPTIONAL LAND USE CATEGORY, SINCE THAT WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE PRINCIPAL LAND USE ON THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT PROPOSES 29 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS OF WHICH FOUR OF THOSE ARE 1 ACRE OR LARGER LOTS AND ABOUT THE FRONTAGE OF SHADY OAKS DRIVE. THEY ARE CURRENTLY BUFFERED ON THIS PLAN BY 40 FOOT BUFFER. FOR THE LOTS ALONG 114, THOSE RANGE FROM 18 TO SLIGHTLY OVER 20,000 SQUARE FEET AND THEY HAVE A 25 FOOT BUFFER YARD ALONG THE 114 FRONTAGE, AND CURRENTLY SHOW A FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM THE BUFFER YARD BOUNDARY. THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY ON THIS PROPERTY IS JUST UNDER 1.4 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THIS IS A LARGER VIEW OF THAT RESIDENTIAL LAND USE SUMMARY. THIS IS A TREE PRESERVATION PLAN. TREES SHOWN IN GREEN ON THE TREE PRESERVATION ANALYSIS ARE IDENTIFIED TO BE PRESERVED. THOSE IN YELLOW ARE DESIRED TO BE PRESERVED, BUT ARE IDENTIFIED AS MARGINAL, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BE REMOVED IF THEY'RE UNABLE TO BE SAVED, AND THEN THOSE IN RED ARE IDENTIFIED TO LIKELY REQUIRE REMOVAL WITH DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY. RIGHT NOW, THE TOTAL PROTECTED TREES ARE JUST UNDER 20% OF THE EXISTING 87% OF COVERAGE ON THE PROPERTY. >> DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, LET'S PAUSE RIGHT THERE. ON TREE CONSERVATION FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH THIS MANY TREES, MORE THAN 80% TREES, WHAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM TREE PRESERVATION OR CONSERVATION WOULD BE REQUIRED? >> I DO BELIEVE THAT IS 20%. [02:10:03] >> TWENTY? >> I BELIEVE SO. >> I THOUGHT WAS 30. >> I THINK IN THE PACKET, IT SAYS 30, IN THE PACKET FOR 70. >> I AM VERIFYING YOUR CORRECTNESS, MAYOR. YES, 30%. SORRY. >> I ALWAYS LIKE TO BE VERIFIED AS CORRECT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE FROM THE TREE CONSERVATION SLIDE? GO AHEAD. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. >> NO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I APPRECIATE YOUR ASSISTANCE. THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING SOUTH ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF SHADY OAKS, FROM THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING NORTH FROM THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, ALSO ALONG SHADY OAKS. THIS IS THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS ALONG THE 114 FRONTAGE, AND THIS IS LOOKING IN A SOUTHERLY DIRECTION. >> THIS IS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. TO THE LEFT OF IT IS DEVELOPED OFFICE PROJECT THAT WAS PART OF THE FOX GLEN NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT IS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER LOOKING NORTH ALONG THE EASTBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD OF 114. THIS IS THE NOTIFICATION AREA MAP, AND WE HAVE TWO RESPONSES THAT WERE SUBMITTED, THESE WERE RECEIVED WITH THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION SUBMITTED IN FEBRUARY, OR WENT TO P&Z IN FEBRUARY, WHICH INCLUDED A OFFICE DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND RESIDENTIAL ON THE EASTERN PORTION. WE HAVE ONE IN OPPOSITION AND ONE IN FAVOR. SINCE NOTIFICATIONS WENT OUT ON THE AMENDED APPLICATION, WHICH CHANGED THAT FROM A SP 2 ZONING WITH OFFICE USE, A SF 20 AND SF 1 ZONING CATEGORY. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY NEW RESPONSES FROM THAT NOTIFICATION THAT WAS SENT OUT. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE ITEM 70, AND THIS WAS FOR THE LAND USE PLAN. THEN 61 ON THE ZONING AND RESIDENTIAL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEY PUT CONDITIONS IN PLACE THAT WHERE THIS PROPERTY ABUTS A UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY THAT HAS THE OFFICE COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT THE THE RESIDENTIAL CORRIDOR OR RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY SETBACKS WOULD NOT IMPACT THAT PROPERTY. THEN THEY ALSO ACCEPTED THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO REVISE THEIR BUFFER YARD ALONG SHADY OAKS DRIVE FROM A 40 FOOT BUFFER TO 50 THEY ALSO ACCEPTED THE APPLICANTS WILLINGNESS TO LOOK AT ALLOCATING ALL THEIR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC OFF THE 114 ENTRANCE THAT IS SHOWN. ALSO STATED THAT THE COMMISSION'S PREFERENCE WAS THAT THAT GATED ENTRANCE NOT BE OPEN TO RESIDENTS AS PROPOSED IN THEIR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, BUT ONLY BE PERMITTED DURING CONSTRUCTION OF THE SUBDIVISION. OTHERWISE, WOULD BE CLOSED AND BE FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS USE ONLY. THEY ALSO ACCEPTED THE APPLICANTS WILLINGNESS [02:15:03] TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLAN REGARDING TREES, ESPECIALLY ALONG 114 FRONTAGE AND THAT THEIR PREFERENCE WAS TO HAVE A CONSISTENT FENCING SOLUTION FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD ABUT THE 114 FRONTAGE. THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, AS WELL AS INVESTIGATING VEGETATION AND TREES BEING ADDED ALONG 114 THAT WOULD HELP MITIGATE IN THE SOUND FROM THE HIGHWAY. ALSO, AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, APPLICANT DOES HAVE PRESENTATION FOR YOU AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILO AT THIS TIME? THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE ACCESS OFF 114 ACCESS ROAD. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT SEEMS TO BE SOMEWHAT DICHOTOMOUS WHEN WE SAY, WE WANT ALL THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC TO COME IN OFF THERE, BUT WE DON'T WANT ANY RESIDENTIAL EXIT THERE. WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO BY BLOCKING THAT EXIT TO RESIDENTS? IS THERE POINT IN THAT? YEAH, AND I CAN'T SAY THAT I CAN EXPLAIN THE CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY FROM THE COMMISSION AS I PUT THAT IN PLACE, OTHER THAN JUST ALLOWING ANY FORM OF THROUGH TRAFFIC BETWEEN SHADY AND 114. THAT'S MY SUSPICION. YES. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE 114 SIDE BY THE ACCESS ROAD, AND YOU HAD SOMETHING WITH THE BUFFER YARD AND SETBACK. I THINK WHAT'S PROPOSED UNDER THEIR RPUD REGULATIONS ARE 25 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE 114 ACCESS ROAD, AND THEN ANOTHER FIVE FEET SETBACK. A TOTAL OF 30 FEET. NOW, IF THIS WAS A STRAIGHT ZONING CASE AND NOT AN R PUD, WHAT WOULD OUR ORDINANCES REQUIRE AS FAR AS SET BACKS IN BUFFER YARD. IT WOULD REQUIRE A MINIMUM 50 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK MEASURED FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE OF 114, AND THEN AT LEAST A 25 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER INSIDE THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE FRONT EDGE OF 114. THE 25 FOOT BUFFER COULD EXIST WITHIN THE BUILDING LINE. SO IT'S NOT 50 PLUS 25, THAT 25 COULD BE WITHIN THE 50? YES. SO 50 FEET FROM THE HIGHWAY TO THE SET PACK? YES. THEY'RE PROPOSING 25 PLUS FIVE, OR 30? YES. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER AREAS IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THAT SHALLOW OF A SETBACK? THE SOUTH LAKE MEADOWS, WHICH I BELIEVE I HAVE AN EXHIBIT HERE. IT IS NOT ADDED HERE. SOUTHLAKE MEADOWS OFF OF DOVE, JUST NORTH OF DOVE INTO THE WEST BOUNDARY OF 114 EASTBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD. IT HAS ONE LOT THAT IS AS CLOSE AS 30 FEET TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, JUST AN APPROXIMATION. THEN IT HAS A NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN SPACE THAT RANGES 250-400 FT AND DISTANCE THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY. FROM THE HIGHWAY. YES, SIR. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S ONE LOT THAT'S 30 FEET, THE REST OF MORE HUNDREDS OF FEET, CORRECT? YES. JUST FOR MY UNIFICATION, SO THE 25 FEET, THEY COULDN'T PUT A FENCE OR ANYTHING IN THAT 25 FEET. THEIR FENCE WOULD START AT 25 FEET FROM THE RIGHT AWAY AND THEN ACCORDING TO THE REQUEST, THEY COULD START THEIR THEIR BUILDING FIVE FEET FROM THAT FENCE? YES. WHAT IS PROPOSED UNDER THIS PLAN, YES. THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. THE REAR BUILDING LINE, CLOSEST PART OF THE HOUSE, COULD BE AS CLOSE AS FIVE FEET TO THE 25 FOOT BUFFER SO A TOTAL OF 30 FEET FROM 114 AS IT'S SHOWN ON THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILO AT THIS TIME? WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN. I THINK YOU KNOW THE PROCEDURE AND PROCESS, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN IT'S ALL YOURS. YES, SIR, MAYOR COUNCIL JOHN HUFFMAN, 1991, EAST TYNDALL STREET. IT IS AN HONOR TO BE WITH YOU ALL TONIGHT. I HAVE TO START BY SAYING, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. CONGRATULATIONS ON A PHENOMENAL TENURE OF SERVICE, [02:20:03] BOTH IN ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICE. IT WAS AN HONOR TO BE WITH YOU WHEN YOU STARTED. I ACTUALLY REMEMBER OUR INTERVIEW WHEN YOU CAME IN IN 2015 TALKING. PROBABLY DIDN'T RECOGNIZE ME. I DIDN'T HAVE THE BEARD. BUT IT WAS A GREAT START, AND YOU HAD A WONDERFUL TENURE. YOU OUGHT TO BE REALLY PROUD. RACE WELL RUN, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. MAYOR, COUNSEL, IT'S AN HONOR TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO YOU TONIGHT. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH HAS ALWAYS DID A WONDERFUL JOB PRESENTING A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. NOT TO RETREAD GROUND, BUT I JUST WANT TO TELL THE STORY OF HOW WE GOT HERE. THIS SITE, 21 ACRES BETWEEN SHADY OAKES AND 114, AS YOU'VE SEEN, FUTURE LAND USE, AS DENNIS MENTIONED IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL. THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAS BEEN VERY COLLABORATIVE. IT'S BEEN A JOY TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN GARDEN COURT AND FOX GLENN. AS WE ARE DISCUSSING WHAT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY COULD BE, OUR FIRST SHOT AT A PLAN, THOSE OF YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CHARLIE, AND COUNCIL MEMBER TALLY, REMEMBER, WE BROUGHT A HALF RESIDENTIAL, HALF COMMERCIAL PLAN INTO CORRIDOR COMMITTEE WITH RESIDENTIAL ALONG SHADY OAKS AND ALONG FOX GLENN, AND THEN COMMERCIAL IN THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE SITE. IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBOR, ZONING ZAG IT'S NEVER BEEN ZONED. THE PLAN WE BROUGHT TO ORDER LOOKED LIKE ABOUT LIKE THIS. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE RESIDENTIAL ON SHADY OAKS, BUT THIS IS ABOUT WHAT WE CAME UP WITH A HYBRID TYPE OF PLAN. BUT IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT WE LOOK AT AN ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN, A LESS INTENSIVE USE OF THE SITE. AS YOU GUYS REMEMBER, AS WE WERE DIGGING INTO THIS THE PROPERTY TO TWO TRACKS TO THE NORTH WITH THE FIRST NATIONAL BANK, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF HOW TO DEVELOP THAT IF IT'S GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL IN A WAY THAT RESPECTS THE VERY UNIQUE QUIET ENVIRONMENT OF SHADY OAKS. THAT'S WHEN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER WE COULD DO AN ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN AND PRESERVE THAT CHARACTER CAME ABOUT. WE ENDED UP SHIFTING GEARS. WE BROUGHT BOTH PLANS TO P&Z. P&Z PREFERRED THE ALL RESIDENTIAL. WE SHIFTED GEARS TO THIS PLAN. AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THE OVERARCHING THEME HERE IS TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT VERY UNIQUE QUIET CHARACTER IN SHADY OAKS. WE'VE DONE THAT IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. FIRST, DOCTOR KILL MENTIONED A BUFFER YARD ALONG SHADY OAKS. WE ACTUALLY MOVED IT 40-50 FT IN BETWEEN PNZ AND HERE. AS YOU'LL SEE IN THIS CURRENT PLAN, WE HAVE A 50 FOOT BUFFER YARD BETWEEN SHADY OAKS AND THE ANY BUILDING ENVELOPE ON LOTS 17 18, 28 AND 29, TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MUCH GREEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE. AS YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN, THIS IS A VERY TREED SITE. WE THOUGHT A 50 FOOT BUFFER YARD IS A GOOD START. YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF DRAINAGE RUNNING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. ANOTHER THING WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO CREATE MORE OF A RETENTION POND FIELD THAT WOULD HOLD WATER, TRYING TO CREATE MORE OF A COMMUNITY AMENITY, MAYBE EVEN SOMETHING WALKABLE. AGAIN, PRESERVING THAT QUIET CHARACTER OF SHADY OAKS. WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT ALIGNMENTS TO THESE STREETS AND WHERE THEY SHOULD EMPTY OUT SHADY OAKS FROM THE HIGHWAY. WHAT THIS PLAN DOES IS PROPOSE AN ENTRANCE OR A ONE IN ONE OUT NEIGHBORHOOD ALIGNED WITH GARDEN COURT TO MINIMIZE CONFLICT. ALSO, A COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORS MENTIONED ON SHADY OAKS. THEY DIDN'T WANT HEADLIGHTS COMING INTO THEIR FRONT FRONT DOOR, THEIR BEDROOM, WHICH IS TOTALLY REASONABLE. WE THOUGHT WE LINED UP WITH GARDEN COURT. WE THOUGHT IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE. NOW, AS FAR AS THE COLD DETACH ACCESS ON THE 114, HONESTLY, WE'RE INDIFFERENT. I THINK THERE'S ARGUMENT TO BE MADE FOR BOTH EITHER A RESIDENT ONLY IN OUT WITH A GATE OR JUST CLOSING THAT. WE COULD GO EITHER WAY. IF I LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I MIGHT LIKE JUST JUMPING ON THE HIGHWAY WITH A GATED ACCESS INSTEAD OF GOING AROUND SHADY OAKES AND DOVES, SO I'D LOOK TO YOU ALL'S INPUT FOR THAT. IF WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE IT OPEN, THOUGH, WE WANT IT CLOSED WITH A GATE, SO ONLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT JUST A THROUGH STREET COMING IN AND OFF OF THE HIGHWAY. WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING A BUFFER YARD ALONG 114. ONE CHANGE BASED ON STAFF COMMENTS THAT WE DID MAKE, MR. MAYOR, YOU MENTIONED THE 50 FOOT SETBACK. IN THIS CURRENT PLAN, WE'VE GOT A 25 FOOT BUFFER YARD WITH A FULL 50 FOOT SETBACK THAT WON'T IMPACT OUR BUILDING ENVELOPES. WE'LL PUSH THOSE HOUSES BACK TO MINIMUM 50 FEET. SOME OF THEM WILL SIT PROBABLY FURTHER FROM THAT. AGAIN, BUILDING THIS, CRAFTING THIS WITH SHADY OAKS IN MIND, ALSO MATCHING UP THE ONE ACRE LOTS ALONG SHADY OAKS, AND THEN HALF ACRE TO, 0.4 ACRE ALONG THE HIGHWAY. HALF ACRES NEXT TO THE 20 THOUSANDS ARE NEXT TO FOX GLEN, [02:25:04] WHICH MATCHES THE SAME LOT SIZE. BUT ALONG SHADY OAKS, BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT'S SUCH A IT'S AN ENVIRONMENT FULL OF ONE ACRE LOTS AND LARGER LOTS. WE PUT OUR ONE ACRES THERE. TRYING TO MATCH THE CHARACTERISTICS OF WHAT'S AROUND IT. INFORMATION AS WE WENT OVER. THIS IS A CLOSE UP OF THE BUFFER YARD THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. IT'S VERY, AGAIN, A VERY TREE SITE AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT EVERY LEVEL, INCLUDING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT HOW BEST TO CREATE SOME SOUND BREAK. OBVIOUSLY, NOBODY WANTS UNTOWARD OR AN INAPPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF NOISE COMING IN FROM THE HIGHWAY. LAST OF ALL, THE FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY BUILDING THESE LOTS. WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT AGAINST THAT, TOO. THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT A WALL. THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT MASONRY FENCING. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT 25 FOOT SETBACK OR BUFFER YARD THAT WOULD BE GREEN SPACE, BUT WE WANT ENHANCE THAT WITH PLANTINGS TO TRY TO BREAK THE SOUND FROM THE HIGHWAY, HOWEVER POSSIBLE. THESE ARE LOTS ON THE HIGHWAY, SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET NOISE, BUT WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP NOT ONLY FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO FOR THE OTHER RESIDENTS OF SHADY OAKS. THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH BETWEEN P AND Z AND NOW, AGAIN, SUBJECT TO INPUT AND COMMENT, BOTH FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND YOU ALL, OF COURSE. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS JUST A CUTAWAY OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING WOULD WORK. THIS SPACE IS MEANT TO REPRESENT THE 25 FOOT BUFFER YARD AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING AN EIGHT FOOT SCREENING WALL ON TOP OF RETAINING WALL. WE DO HAVE SOME GRADE WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH, WHICH CHANGES AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THE SITE, BUT IN GENERAL, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A RETAINING WALL. WE THOUGHT IF WE DID AN EIGHT FOOT SCREEN WALL, IT WOULD HELP WITH SOUND. BUT IF WE TUCKED IT BEHIND THE BUFFER YARD, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE UNSIGHTLY BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO SENSITIVE TO THAT. I DON'T WANT AN UNSIGHTLY WALL ALL THE WAY DOWN 114. THOUGHT MAYBE THAT SOLVED A LOT OF PROBLEMS, BUT DEFINITELY OPEN TO INPUT IF ANYBODY HAS IDEAS OF WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE AND HOW YOU WANT THAT TO WORK. BUT WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN, AGAIN, TO BREAK THAT SOUND BECAUSE TAKING THE TREES OUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN EFFECT. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A CHANGE IN THE LANE USE PLAN. YOU KNOW, P&Z ASKED US TO PUT TOGETHER A CONCEPT PLAN OF WHAT AN OFFICE DEVELOPMENT COULD LOOK LIKE. I HAVE IT, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE IT. REALLY IT JUST DOESN'T FIT THE SITE. YOU GUYS KNOW THE AREA. YOU KNOW IT WELL. BUT WHEN YOU READ THAT OPTIONAL LAND USE OVERLAY OF TWO TO FOUR STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS, 50,000 SQUARE FEET, IT JUST DOESN'T FIT IN OUR OPINION AT ALL. I FEEL LIKE GOING TO THIS RESIDENTIAL PLAN IS MUCH BETTER FOR THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK ALL THE RESIDENTS WOULD AGREE ON THAT POINT. I THINK THAT DOES IT FOR MY PRESENTATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. IN CHANGING THE BUFFER AND SETBACK, DOES THAT CHANGE THE LOT SIZES? I THINK YOU SAID IT DOESN'T? THE LOT SIZES, WOULD THAT BE SEVEN THROUGH, I GUESS, 15? NO. BECAUSE THE BUFFER YARD IN THE SETBACK WILL SIT INSIDE THE LOT SIZES, INSIDE THE ACTUAL LOT FOOTPRINT. OKAY. SO A TOTAL OF 50 FEET? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COUNSEL. GO AHEAD. YEAH, JUST ONE QUESTION. WITH REGARDS TO THE VEGETATION WALL AND THE WALL AND SOME COMBO THEREOF ALONG 114, WOULD YOU PLAN TO IRRIGATE THAT? POTENTIALLY. >> POTENTIALLY. WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A LANDSCAPING PLAN DURING THE PLATTING PROCESS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT. >> I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD TALK ABOUT ONLY BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO KEEP THINGS ON 114 GOING ANYWAY, WHERE WE'VE HAD NEW PLANTINGS AND TO HAVE THE INVESTMENT THAT YOU'LL BE MAKING INTO THIS AND ALSO THE INVESTMENT INTO THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE COMMUNITY IF WE HAVE A LOT OF DEAD TREES THERE CAUSE WE CAN'T IRRIGATE THEM. THAT'S A PROBLEM, SO I WOULD WANT US TO LOOK AT THAT. >> IT'S GOOD THOUGHT. WE'LL LOOK AT IT. >> WHAT TREE PRESERVATION OF THE EXISTING DO YOU HAVE IN MIND? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO INVENTORY THOSE AND GIVE ME SOME FEEL FOR THAT? >> SURE. ABSOLUTELY. IF THE ZONING IS APPROVED, WE'LL GET INTO THE PLATTING PHASE, AND WE WILL DO A FULL TREE SURVEY. I'M GOING TO ASK CURTIS TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE PARTICULARS. THE GOAL IS THE 30%. RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT. THE GOAL IS THE 30%, BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T DONE THE TREE SURVEY JUST YET. CURTIS, WOULD YOU SPEAK ON THAT, PLEASE? >> SURE. AS YOU'RE AWARE, THERE'S TWO KINDS OF TREE PLANS: THERE'S THE TREE CONSERVATION ANALYSIS, WHICH DOESN'T REQUIRE TREE [INAUDIBLE] ZONING, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO PLANTING, THERE'S ANOTHER PLAN CALLED A TREE CONSERVATION PLAN, THAT REQUIRES A TREE SURVEY. [02:30:02] SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED AND WE GO FORWARD, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES ON THIS PROPERTY, SO THAT'S A BIG THING. BUT GOES FORWARD, WE'LL GET A TREE SURVEY. I THINK AT THAT POINT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A LOT MORE SPECIFIC WITH THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT WE CAN SAVE. OBVIOUSLY, WHERE THE STREETS, UTILITIES, AND SOME OF THE DRAINAGE WAYS AND THE RETENTION POND THAT WE'RE DOING, WON'T BE ABLE TO SAVE TREES THERE. BUT NOW THAT WE'VE INCREASED THE SETBACK ON SHADY OAKS TO 50 FEET, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE TREES WE CAN SAVE THERE, THE 25-FEET LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG 114 AS WELL. I THINK SINCE THESE ARE ALL GOING TO BE CUSTOM HOMES, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAVE MORE TREES ON THE ACTUAL LOTS THEMSELVES BECAUSE WE PROBABLY WON'T BE PADDING THESE LIKE A LARGER TRACT OF HOMES WOULD BE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO CUSTOM-BUILD THE HOMES ONTO EACH SIDE. THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TOPOGRAPHY ON THE SITE, WHICH IS BOTH A CHALLENGE AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME REALLY NICE ARCHITECTURE. I THINK AS WE GET INTO THIS, EVERYONE LIKES TREES, WE LIKE TREES, THE HOMEOWNERS LIKE TREES, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY GET MUCH MORE SPECIFIC IN SAVING THE TREES BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A COMMON GOAL. >> WELL, IT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP WITH NOISE REDUCTION AROUND THERE. BUT YOUR PLAN SHOWS A LOT OF RED, WHICH IS TAKING ALL THE TREES OUT. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. >> YEAH. THAT'S JUST AN ESTIMATE, BUT I THINK WE CAN GET TO THE 30% THAT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE. IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT IN YOUR MOTION, I THINK THAT'S AN ACHIEVABLE THING. >> ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT THE DETENTION OR RETENTION. YOUR PLAN SAYS DETENTION, JOHN, YOU SAID RETENTION. HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD FROM HOMEOWNERS THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SHADY OAKS, WHO GET A LOT OF WATER RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S ALL TREE RIGHT NOW? YOU PUT HOUSES ON THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET EVEN MORE RUNOFF. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CONTROL THAT WATER COMING ACROSS SHADY OAKS? >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE POND IS FOR. A RETENTION POND IS ALSO A DETENTION POND. >> OKAY. >> WE GET MIXED UP. ALL A RETENTION POND MEANS IS THAT IT DOESN'T GO COMPLETELY DRY, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER ON IT, BUT A RETENTION POND STILL HAS A FREEBOARD, THEY CALL IT, WHERE IT CAN FILL UP IN THE STORMS AND REGULATE THAT. RIGHT NOW, KEEP IN MIND THERE IS WATER COMING ACROSS 114 FROM THE EASTERN SIDE OF 114 THAT THEN GOES DOWN INTO HERE, AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE WATER GOES THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE TALKING ABOUT ALONG SHADY OAKS DRIVE. THE RETENTION POND, PURPOSE OF THAT WOULD BE TO PROBABLY MAKE IT BETTER THAN IT IS NOW BY GIVING A PLACE FOR THAT TO BE DETAINED BEFORE IT'S LET OUT. ULTIMATELY, ALL THE WATER IS GOING TO GET TO THE CREEK THAT RUNS ALONG SHADY OAKS DRIVE. WHAT THE POINT OF THE DETENTION POND IS TO SLOW IT DOWN SO THAT IT GOES IN A MANAGEABLE FASHION THAT DOESN'T INCREASE THE RUNOFF AT ANY ONE PARTICULAR POINT DURING FLOODS. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS AT THIS TIME? GOING BACK TO THE TREES FOR IF THIS GETS PAST FIRST READING, FOR SECOND READING, IF YOU COULD TAKE ANOTHER CRACK A GIVING US A BETTER NUMBER BECAUSE WITH THE ADDED 20 FEET ON THE BUFFER/SETBACK, YOU MAY BE EVEN CLOSER TO 30% THAN YOU REALIZE. IF YOU COULD TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, I KNOW IT MIGHT NOT BE 100% ACCURATE, BUT IT PROBABLY GIVES US A BETTER IDEA OF HOW CLOSE YOU REALLY ARE TO 30%, AND THAT MIGHT ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ON THE TREES. >> SURE. JUST ONE COMMENT ON THAT. ALL INTERESTS ARE ALIGNED. ONE OF THE COOL, UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS SITE IS THE FACT THAT IT'S VERY HEAVILY TREATED, IT'S GOT A LOT OF COOL TOPOGRAPHY. SO WE WANT THIS TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF, THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE EXCITED ABOUT, AND PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE PRESERVING THE EXISTING CHARACTER AND AS MANY TREES AS WE CAN. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? >> I HAVE ONE. I'M NOT SURE IT'S FOR THE DEVELOPERS OR FOR DENNIS. IF WE END UP GATING THE ACCESS ON 114, DOES THAT THEN MAKE THAT A PRIVATE COMMUNITY WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STREET? >> NO, BECAUSE THE MAIN STREET IS STILL OPEN. COMING IN OFF OF SHADY OAKS, SO THAT'LL BE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. >> THANK YOU. >> THE WHOLE IDEA OF A GATE UP THERE WAS SUGGESTED BY OUR NEIGHBORS WHO WANT TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ADDED TO SHADY OAKS, AND THEY SAID, IF THE RESIDENTS HAVE AN OPTION TO GO OUT THERE, THEN THEY WON'T HAVE TO USE SHADY OAKS AND THAT GATE WILL KEEP CUT THROUGH FOR PEOPLE THAT AREN'T PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> I GUESS IT WOULD WORK BOTH WAYS. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE PEOPLE COMING [02:35:03] THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFF SHADY OAKS AND GOING TO 114 THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO AVOID DOVE AND WHAT'S A CONSTRUCTION MESS RIGHT NOW. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? >> WELL, THAT'S THE PIECE I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A RESIDENT EXIT. I GUESS, WOULD THEY MAKE IT EXIT AND ENTRANCE OFF THERE FOR THE RESIDENTS? I GET NOT MAKING IT FOR THE NON-RESIDENTS. I GET THAT CUT-THROUGH BECAUSE WE USED TO LIVE ON A STREET THAT HAD THAT ISSUE. BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET OUT THERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT GOING TO DOVE, DUMPING MORE TRAFFIC ON THE SHADY OAKS IS NOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY. BUT ALLOWING IT TO GO UP TO 114, I THINK MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO ME. BUT I THINK LIMITING THAT TO RESIDENTS MAKES PERFECT SENSE. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. >> TO YOUR POINT, IF WE CAN GET THAT ACCESS, THEN WE CAN PUT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ONTO THE HIGHWAY INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH SHADY OAKS. >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TALLEY. >> THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR DENNIS. I GUESS MY CONCERN WITH LETTING PEOPLE IN OFF OF THE ACCESS ROAD IS IT LOOKS FAIRLY SHORT, SO ARE PEOPLE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP ON THE ACCESS ROAD AND WAIT FOR THE GATE TO OPEN? CAN WE ACTUALLY ALLOW THAT? >> YEAH. WE WE WOULD WANT THE GATE PLACED TO WHERE IT'S ADEQUATE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE THE STACKING NECESSARY. >> WHAT WOULD THAT STACKING BE PROBABLY? >> I'M GUESSING FOR THAT SITUATION, PROBABLY 25, 28, 30 FEET. IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY PUT THE GATE. IF THEY PUT THE GATE AT THE WEST SIDE OF THAT CUL-DE-SAC, THAT MIGHT ALLOW PEOPLE THAT GET IN THERE TO GET BACK OUT FINDING THAT THEY CAN'T GET IN BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD GET IN INITIALLY AND THEN WOULD ALLOW INTERNAL STACKING OR EXITING, AND I THINK THAT WOULD LIKELY PROVIDE MORE THAN ENOUGH, BUT THEY HAVEN'T REALLY SHOWN ON THEIR PLAN EXACTLY WHERE THE GATE OR AT LEAST I DON'T SEE IT WITH SOME OF THE LINEWORK. >> I THINK IT'S SOMETHING IF IT WAS APPROVED AT FIRST, IT'D BE GOOD AT SECOND TO SEE THE OPTIONS. I DON'T HAVE A SCALE HERE TO MEASURE IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE 28 FEET TO WORK WITH THERE ON THOSE CUL-DE-SAC LOTS UNLESS IT'S A GATE THAT OPENS THIS WAY AS OPPOSED TO A SWINGING GATE. I DON'T SEE HOW A SWINGING GATE HAPPENS THERE. >> MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE RECESS THE CUL-DE-SAC TO GET THAT STACKING DISTANCE TO [OVERLAPPING] GATE THERE. >> IF YOU CAN DO THAT. BUT I DO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN ROBBINS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT AS A RESIDENT-ONLY ACCESS OUT, TAKE PRESSURE OFF OF SHADY AND GIVE IT AS AN IN, AS WELL. [OVERLAPPING] THAT ADDRESSES AT LEAST HALF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ENTRY. THAT WOULD BE A PREFERRED ENTRANCE, I WOULD THINK. >> IF YOUR PREFERENCE IS TO LEAVE THAT CUL-DE-SAC OPEN GATE, WE'LL WORK ON A PLAN TO SHOW WHAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE. >> I THINK RESIDENT-ONLY IN AND OUT AND THEN WORK ON THE STACKING? >> YES. >> OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS POINT? THANK YOU, GUYS. >> THANK YOU, GUYS. >> ITEM 7C AND 7D ARE FIRST READING, SO THEY DO NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'M GUESSING THERE'S SOME PEOPLE HERE WHO WOULD WISH TO SPEAK ON 7C AND 7D, SO I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 7C AND 7D TOGETHER. I'LL NOTE, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE SOME EMAILS THAT HAVE COME IN, GREG KRAUS, WHO IS, I THINK THE HEAD OF THE GARDEN COURT HOA, SENT IN AN EMAIL, BUT DO YOU WANT TO JUST SPEAK TO YOUR POINTS OR HOW DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT? >> SURE. >> WHY DON'T YOU COME ON DOWN FIRST? YOU CAN BE FIRST. IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND I KNOW YOU'RE HERE IN YOUR OWN BEHALF, BUT ALSO AS THE HEAD OF THE HOA. >> YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR MCCASKILL AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS GREG KRAUS. I LIVE AT 596 GARDEN COURT, SOUTH LAKE. I DON'T WANT TO REHASH A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS ALREADY PRESENTED, BUT I DO WANT TO OFFER OUR, WHAT I'D CALL, CONDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR THIS PLAN. WE THINK THAT A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE ENTIRE SHADY OAKS CORRIDOR, WHICH WE THINK IS RATHER UNIQUE WITHIN SOUTH LAKE AND PRESERVING THAT RESIDENTIAL NATURE AND QUALITY. WE THINK IS GOING TO BE A BENEFIT FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. I GUESS, SAID DIFFERENTLY, WHAT I REALLY OPPOSE IS THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT SOME OFFICE USE WITH ACRES OF SURFACE PARKING THAT WOULD CREATE A VISUAL CORRIDOR FROM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS STRAIGHT TO 114, [02:40:07] IT WOULD INCREASE NOISE THAT'S ALREADY A PROBLEM, AND JUST GENERALLY BE UNSIGHTLY AND DESTROY THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER THAT'S MADE SHADY OAKS SO SPECIAL. JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SOUND MITIGATION. AN ATTRACTIVE MASONRY WALL COULD BE ENGINEERED AND CREATE IT THAT I THINK WOULD BE A BENEFIT NOT ONLY TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS PROPOSED COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO TO THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN CALLING THIS AREA HOME FOR MANY YEARS. I WOULD REALLY URGE THOUGHT AND CONSIDERATION OF SOME ADDITIONAL SOUND MITIGATION. ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WOULD BE A FOUR-WAY STOP AT SHADY OAKS. SPEEDING HAS ALREADY BECOME AN INCREASING PROBLEM ALONG THAT CORRIDOR. I THINK A STOP SIGN WOULD CERTAINLY SLOW PEOPLE DOWN, IMPROVE SAFETY, AND BE A BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY. I REALLY WANT TO HIT ON THE TREE PRESERVATION ASPECT. THE 30% MINIMUM, I THINK, NEEDS TO BE AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT, AND PRESERVATION OF THE NATIVE TREES CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH CREATING IDENTIFIED BUILDING ENVELOPES AND CREATING A PAD FOR THOSE ENVELOPES, BUT PRESERVING THE TREES. I THINK WITH A LOT OF THOUGHT, A WATER FEATURE AND LANDSCAPED RETENTION POND, THIS CAN BE A REAL AMENITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ENHANCE PROPERTY VALUES, AND DO THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT COMMERCIAL WOULD DO, WHICH WOULD BE TO DETRACT FROM HOME VALUES AND QUALITY OF LIFE. THANKS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EMAIL AND YOUR STATEMENTS HERE TONIGHT. APPRECIATE THAT. LET'S SEE. FOR THE RECORD, WE SENT OUT 33 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AS OF THIS DATE, ONE IN-FAVOR RESPONSE AND ONE IN-OPPOSITION RESPONSE WERE RECEIVED. ONE IN-FAVOR RESPONSE HAS BEEN RECEIVED FROM SOMEONE OUTSIDE OF THE 300 FEET. PRESIDENT OF THE GARDEN COURT HOA SUBMITTED AN EMAIL, WHICH WE JUST DISCUSSED. LET'S SEE. WE'LL GET TO THESE EMAILS. WE HAVE AN EMAIL FROM BEN ALLEN AT 601 GARDEN COURT, I THINK, SUPPORTING THE PROPOSAL WITH CONDITIONS. TROY BARON FROM FOX HOLLOW, DOESN'T GIVE THE EXACT STREET ADDRESS, SUBMITTED AN EMAIL. IS THAT IN FAVOR? SORRY. MR. ALLEN WAS OPPOSED WITH CONDITIONS. MR. BARON WAS OPPOSED, BUT WITH CONDITIONS. ANTHONY GONZALEZ AT 1740 SHADY OAKS DRIVE, ALSO SENT IN AN EMAIL OPPOSED WITH CONDITIONS, LANA HALLEY SENT IN AN EMAIL, DOES NOT HAVE THE ADDRESS, STATED OPPOSED. GREG KRAUS, WE JUST DISCUSSED, HAD CONDITIONAL SUPPORT. MIKE MILL SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT FORM AT P&Z IN FAVOR, CHAD AND MERCY PETERS AT 1816 SHADY OAKS DRIVE, SENT IN A PUBLIC COMMENT FORM AT P&Z IN FAVOR, DENNIS SPIKLER AT 1950 SHADY OAKS DRIVE, SENT IN A NOTIFICATION RESPONSE FORM OPPOSED, ESTHER SPICKLER AT 1950 SHADY OAKS DRIVE, SUBMITTED AT P&Z PUBLIC COMMENT FORM OPPOSED. THAT'S IT FOR THOSE. >> MR. MAYOR, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WEREN'T MOST OF THOSE EMAIL OPPOSITIONS OPPOSED TO THE COMMERCIAL PIECE OF THIS PRIOR TO THE? >> [BACKGROUND] YEAH. >> SORRY. >> THEY ARE LIKELY IN SUPPORT OF THE CURRENT. >> YES. >> WE'LL HEAR FROM THEM. HEY, EVERYONE'S GOING TO GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK. LET'S CONSIDER THIS LIKE A COURTROOM, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO START YELLING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. EVERYONE WILL HAVE A CHANCE. BUT GOOD CATCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. OPPOSED TO THE COMMERCIAL, BUT PERHAPS ARE CONDITIONALLY SUPPORTIVE OF RESIDENTIAL, AS MR. KRAUS INDICATED. BUT WE'LL GET TO YOU ALL IN JUST A MINUTE. NEXT UP, WE HAVE THE EMAIL FROM BEN AND CINDY ALLEN, 601 GARDEN COURT. STRONGLY OPPOSED TO CURRENT COMMERCIAL LAND USE. OPPOSES COMMERCIAL USE ON THE SITE. IS MR. ALLEN OR MS. ALLEN HERE? [02:45:01] YOU WANT TO COME ON DOWN, EITHER ONE OF YOU OR BOTH. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> YEAH, MAYBE JUST CLARIFY YOUR POSITION ON THAT, JUST TO CLEAR UP THE CONFUSION. >> CAN I MAYBE RECOMMEND THAT WE ASK IF IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION OF THIS THAT'S A NEIGHBOR AT THIS POINT? WOULD THAT BE EASIER BECAUSE I THINK EVERYONE HERE, AND THOSE THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION, I THINK WE SHOULD LET, WE ALREADY HAD THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PIECE? >> I'VE OPENED A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT BECAUSE THEY'RE HERE [OVERLAPPING] ALL ON THE RECORD. >> YEAH, I WOULD SAY LET THE ONES THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION BECAUSE I THINK THAT THESE ARE ALL GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF IT, MAYBE. >> WELL, LET'S CONFIRM ALL THAT. JUST A SHOW OF HANDS DOESN'T GET IT ON THE RECORD. IF YOU COME ON DOWN, IT CAN BE REAL BRIEF JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, I JUST WANT THE RECORD TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT YOU SUPPORT OR WHAT YOU DON'T SUPPORT? >> HI. I'M CINDY ALLEN. I LIVE AT 601 GARDEN COURT. MY HUSBAND SENT THE EMAIL, AND I DIDN'T READ IT. I THINK HIS INTENTIONS WERE TO SAY THAT HE STRONGLY OPPOSED THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PROPOSED AND THAT WE ARE IN SUPPORTIVE OF THE RESIDENTIAL THAT WAS PRESENTED EARLIER. >> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION ON THAT. >> THAT'S OKAY. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT, WE HAVE AN EMAIL FROM TONY GONZALEZ AT 1740 SHADY OAKS DRIVE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SIMILAR STRONGLY, ARE YOU HERE? COME ON DOWN, SIR. I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO YOUR POSITION ON THIS. IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, EVEN IF I ALREADY DID IT. >> MY NAME IS ANTHONY GONZALEZ. I RESIDE AT 1740 SHADY OAKS DRIVE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS SHADY OAKS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. I THINK JUST LIKE CINDY MENTIONED, WE OPPOSE COMMERCIAL, WE SUPPORT RESIDENTIAL, WE SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, AND WE DO AGREE THAT SOUND ABATEMENT ON 114 WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE TREES COMING DOWN, BUT WE THINK THAT THIS IS A WORKABLE PLAN AND WE SUPPORT IT. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT. NEXT UP, I HAVE THE EMAIL FROM LANA HALLEY. LANA, ARE YOU HERE? COME ON DOWN. SAME IDEA, IF YOU COULD JUST CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF WHAT YOU'RE OPPOSED TO. IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? >> HI, I'M LANA HALLEY. I'M AT 692 GARDEN COURT. I LIKE MY OTHER TWO NEIGHBORS OR THREE NEIGHBORS SUPPORT THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WITH CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK ABOUT FURTHER, BUT WE OPPOSE ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. >> WHAT WERE THE CONDITIONS AS FAR AS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MR. KRAUS BROUGHT UP? >> YES. CORRECT. >> JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> SOME OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS HAVE BROUGHT UP TOO. THE TREES ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO US. >> UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY BECAUSE OF HOW THE BANK WAS DONE, THEY CLEAR CUT THE ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S MONITORED THIS TIME AS WELL. THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US, BECAUSE IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR ANYONE WHO I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD. WE ALL FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT OUR PROPERTIES, BUT THIS IS A SPECIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM TROY BARON, MR. BARON HERE? LET'S SEE. RESIDENT OF FOX HOLLOW. IT'S PROBABLY THE SAME. LET ME LOOK READ THROUGH IT AND SEE ASK THAT WE APPROVE THE DOWN ZONING OF THIS TRACT TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THAT SOUNDS LIKE SUPPORT FOR THE PLAN THAT'S IN FRONT OF US. THAT'S TROY BARON, AND I DON'T SEE AN ADDRESS ON HERE, BUT IN FOX HOLLOW. LET'S SEE. WE HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TONIGHT. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WISH TO SPEAK. YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO CHANGE YOUR MIND IF YOU INDICATED YOU WANT TO SPEAK, BUT CHANGE YOUR MIND AND DON'T. THAT'S OKAY. OR VICE VERSA, IF YOU INDICATED YOU DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT DO WISH TO SPEAK. WE'LL CERTAINLY WELCOME YOU. BUT FIRST UP IS JENNY SCHULTZ, 696 GARDEN COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM 7C. JENNY SCHULTZ. COME ON DOWN. DON'T WISH TO SPEAK. WE'VE GOT YOU RECORDED AS SUPPORTING THE ITEM. THANK YOU FOR THAT. CINDY ALLEN, 601 GARDEN COURT. WE'LL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF 7C. [02:50:01] I THINK SHE JUST DID. GOT THAT. RHONDA KRAUS 596 GARDEN COURT WISHES TO SPEAK MAYBE IN SUPPORT OF 7C. COME ON DOWN. IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, EVEN THOUGH I ALREADY DID IT. >> YES, SIR. RHONDA KRAUS, 596 GARDEN COURT. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPOSAL HERE. RELUCTANTLY, BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE, HONESTLY, FOR IT TO BE NOTHING. [LAUGHTER] AS I TURNED AND WAVED IT, JOHN. BUT THIS IS BETTER THAN COMMERCIAL. MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH HAVING SOMETHING DEVELOPED, AND I GET LAND OWNERSHIP AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS, THERE ARE TWO BUCKS THAT LIVE IN THIS PROPERTY WITH DOES AND BABIES. I'M AN ANIMAL LOVER. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS, THE TREE PRESERVATION IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL TO ME. IN A PERFECT WORLD, I WOULD PREFER THAT MAYBE A COUPLE OF LOTS BE PARK LIKE SETTING, SO AT LEAST THE DEER HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE, AND ALL THE OTHER ANIMALS THAT LIVE IN THESE 21 ACRES. BUT THAT SAID, I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS. IT'S BETTER THAN COMMERCIAL. BECAUSE, AS EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID, SHADY OAKS IS THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY DREW US TO SOUTHLAKE WHEN WE WERE LOOKING 18 YEARS AGO, I DROVE DOWN SHADY OAKS, AND IT WAS JUST SO IDYLLIC AND PEACEFUL AND TRANQUIL. IT'S REPRESERVATION IS CRITICAL, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE COUNCILWOMAN CHARLIE FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. APPRECIATE YOU. I ALSO HAVE A COMMENT CARD FROM GREG KRAUS 596 GARDEN COURT, WHO WOULD SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF 7C, AND I THINK HE ALREADY DID THAT, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. NEXT IS JORDAN WABRIGE, AT 600 GARDEN COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 7C. JORDAN WABRIGE. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL JUST RECORD JORDAN WABRIGE, BEING IN SUPPORT OF 7C. I ALSO HAVE A COMMENT CARD AGAIN FROM ANTHONY GONZALEZ, WHO WE JUST HEARD FROM AT 1740 SHADY OAKS DRIVE, WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF 7C. WE ALREADY TOOK CARE OF THAT. AN ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT CARD FROM JOHN WAGNER AT 519 FOX GLEN HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF 7C AND 7D. JOHN WAGNER. COME ON DOWN, SIR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M JOHN WAGNER, AND MY WIFE, NANCY, BACK THERE. HAS BEEN RESIDENTS OF SOUTHLAKE FOR 26 YEARS. WHEN WE CAME TO THIS AREA, WE WERE LOOKING ALL OVER THE CITY. ALL OVER THE METROPOLITAN AREA, AND WE HAD A GUY IN THE OFFICE THAT PULLED OUT A MAP OF SOUTHLAKE AND PUT A BIG CIRCLE AROUND, IT SAYS, GO ON OUT THERE, AND YOU'LL FIND A HOME AND YOU'LL LOVE IT. THAT NEXT MORNING, WE CAME ON OUT AND FOUND A HOME, AND WE LOVED IT. WE HAVE THREE DRAGONS, CARROLL DRAGONS, A 2006, 2009, AND A 2013. WE LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. WE LIKE IT BECAUSE OF THE CHARACTER THAT WE HAVE IN THE AREA THAT WE ARE PERSONALLY. ALSO, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF FOX HOLLOW HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. I KNOW WHAT TROY HAD SAID BECAUSE I GOT A COPY OF IT FROM HIM. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU ALL, BEING ABLE TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO WHAT YOU GUYS DO EVERY COUNCIL MEETING AND TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. IT'S REALLY REFRESHING, AND I THINK YOU CAN REALLY SEE HOW MUCH CARE AND THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. I WANT TO SAY, I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH AND SEEING THAT FIRSTHAND. IN REGARD TO EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, I ALSO WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE DEVELOPER, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOMEBODY REPRESENTING AT ALL THE SPIN MEETINGS, THE P&Z, AND WHEN THE COMMERCIAL WAS FIRST, THAT THEY ACTUALLY LISTENED TO THAT FROM A STANDPOINT, [02:55:01] AND PIVOTED TO DO A DEVELOPMENT, I KNOW WHAT RONDA SAID, IF WE HAD OUR CHOICE, WE'D PROBABLY LIKE TO HAVE THE DEER AND THE BOBCATS AND THE COYOTES AND WHATEVER'S OUT THERE THAT WE SEE OCCASIONALLY. BUT WE KNOW THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL. THAT THIS SOLUTION HERE FOR US IS THE BEST SOLUTION TO KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL. IT'S BEEN MENTIONED MANY TIMES, THE TREE MEDICATION. THE ONE THING THE GREEN STRIP RIGHT THERE ON THE BOTTOM. THE UTLEY THAT HAD THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY A CATTLE TRACK, THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TREES IN THAT TRACK THERE. THERE ARE A FEW TREES THAT ARE THERE THAT HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF IV THAT ARE GROWN IT. CONTINUING THAT LOOK, BECAUSE IT'S A UNIQUE LOOK. I WORK IN DALLAS, AND I DRIVE BACK FROM DALLAS AND I COME HOME, AND WHEN I TURNED THAT CORNER COMING ON IN, THERE'S JUST ALMOST A PIECE THAT THE QUALITY OF THE ROAD AND ALL THE WEAPON DOWN. WE REALLY DO WANT TO PRESERVE THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN STATED HERE ENOUGH. THE TREE MITIGATION, IN REGARDS TO COUNCILMAN ROBBINS, ON THE PASS THERE, OUR CONCERN ON THE CONSTRUCTION EXIT OUT THERE. WE LIVE ON THE CORNER OF FOX GLEN, AND WE HAVE PUT UP FOR YEARS WITH BIG TRUCKS SHOOTING DOWN SOUTHLAKE, FULL OF STUFF, EMPTY OF STUFF. MY WIFE HAS CALLED THE POLICE NUMBER OF TIMES TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CONTROL THAT BECAUSE THEY COME RUMBLING DOWN THERE. NOW, THEY WOULD BE DONNING IT IN. THAT'S WHY I THINK FROM OUR PREFERENCE, FROM THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE, WE'D RATHER SEE THE EXIT ON THE OUTSIDE, SO THERE'S NOT ANY OF THE HEAVY TRAFFIC, BECAUSE THAT ROAD NEEDS SOME REPAIR ANY. THOSE TRUCKS THAT ARE MOVING UP AND DOWN, THERE WE'D PREFER MUCH RATHER THAT THEY'RE HEADING OUT THAT WAY THAN COMING ON BACK OUT ON THE SHADY OAK. THAT'S A CONCERN. >> SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP, SO IF I CAN CUT YOU OFF, AND WE'LL GET TO THE NEXT ONE, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. NEXT UP IS ESTHER SPICKLER AT 1950 SHADY OAKS DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, WHICH IS TO SPEAK IN IT SAYS OPPOSITION TO 7C AND 7D, BUT LET'S CLEAR THAT UP JUST TO MAKE THE RECORD CLEAR. COME ON DOWN. >> I'M ESTHER SPICKLER, 1950 SHADY OAKS DRIVE. I AM IN OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S TOO DENSE. I WANT YOU TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS TO HANDLE THIS. SOMETIMES WE HAVE WATER SLOWNESS, IT'S THE WATER PRESSURE IS WHAT I'M SPEAKING TO. IT'S THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE WE HAVE SOME WATER PRESSURE ISSUES. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE WATER IS GOING TO COME FROM FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. ELECTRICITY IS A PROBLEM. WE OVERHEAD LINES. WE HAVE BROWNOUTS. THIS IS TRI COUNTY. I ASSUME THAT'S TRI COUNTY AS WELL. DRAINAGE IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT I HAVE. MY PROPERTY IS AT THE END OF THIS ON THE NORTH SIDE. ACROSS FROM ME IS THAT FIVE ACRES, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WILL AFFECT THAT PROPERTY BEING DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE. IF THEY WERE TO BE COMMERCIAL, I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF HAVING A LOVELY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAN ALL COMMERCIAL. BUT IT DOES CONCERN ME ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS AND WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE WITH THIS PROPERTY. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TABLE IT AND CONSIDER ASK THE DEVELOPER FOR OTHER OPTIONS, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAD TWO OPTIONS HERE. ONE MADE TO LOOK UNFAVORABLE, AND THE OTHER MADE TO LOOK LIKE IDYLLIC AND IT'S NOT. I DON'T KNOW THAT CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN GIVEN TO EVERYTHING AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT IN PARTICULAR, I WILL BE AFFECTED BY THE DRAINAGE OF THIS PROPERTY. IN PARTICULAR IT COMES UNDER THE ROAD AND COMES INTO THE CREEK. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO POSTPONE IT OR TABLE IT. THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. WE HAVE ANOTHER STACK OF PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS FROM PEOPLE WHO, I THINK, INDICATED THAT DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK. LANA HALLEY AT 692 GARDEN COURT. I THINK WE ALREADY HEARD FROM. AGAIN, REITERATING SUPPORT FOR AN ALL RESIDENTIAL OPTION. RUSSELL HALLEY AT 692 GARDEN COURT, [03:00:04] DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD SUPPORT FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL. AGAIN, IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, AND WANT TO COME ON DOWN AND SPEAK, PLEASE DO SO. SUPPORT FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL. DAN COMBE AT 339 WEST HIGHLAND STREET, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORD OPPOSITION. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> COME ON DOWN, AND LET'S PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. THE MICROPHONES CAN'T HEAR YOU BACK THERE, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR. >> DAN COMBE, 339 WEST HIGHLAND STREET. I WITHDRAW MY OPPOSITION. >> THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. NEXT UP IS RAJIV AND SUMODI PEREIRA, 693 GARDEN COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. CHECKED HERE, WE'LL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM 693 GARDEN COURT. WE'LL RECORD YOUR SUPPORT FOR ITEM 7C. JOHN AND NANCY WAGNER AT 519 FOX GLENN SUPPORT 7C. I THINK WE HEARD FROM JOHN JUST A MINUTE AGO. JACQUELINE SCHULTZ AT 696 GARDEN COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD SUPPORT FOR ITEM 7C. BRIAN SCHULTZ AT 696 GARDEN COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD SUPPORT FOR ITEM 7C. TRICH ANGELE LAMB AT 697 GARDEN COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD SUPPORT FOR 7C. CHIP LAMB AT 697 GARDEN COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD SUPPORT FOR ITEM 7C. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO HAS ALSO SUBMITTED A COMMENT CARD OR AN ONLINE SUBMITTAL THAT WE'VE MISSED? I THINK WE'VE CAPTURED EVERYTHING THAT'S COME IN IN PERSON OR ONLINE? SHE JUST DID. OH, MR. SPIKLER, DID YOU SUBMIT A COMMENT CARD? COME ON DOWN? NO. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME ON DOWN, THOUGH. YOU'RE HERE. NO. [LAUGHTER] GOT IT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THESE TWO ITEMS, 7C AND 7D? >> YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THOSE THREE MINUTES. >> I'M JOHN SPIER, 509 FOX GLENN. WE ARE AGAIN, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS FOR SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT, FOR SURE WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOMES THERE INSTEAD OF ANYTHING COMMERCIAL. I THINK THE 114 SERVICE ROAD THAT THEY COULD USE FOR TRANSPORTATION OF ALL THE BUILDING MATERIALS AND SUCH WOULD BE FANTASTIC. THE ENTRANCE ALIGNED WITH GARDEN COURT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SUPPORT AND MAKES SENSE. SOMEONE SUGGESTED STOP SIGNS THERE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. A LOT OF PEOPLE RACING DOWN THAT ROAD. SOMETIMES I HAVE TO SLOW MYSELF DOWN TO BE QUITE HONEST. THERE WAS A BIG CONVERSATION AT SOME POINT ABOUT THE SMALLER LOTS, BUT RESIDENTIALS WOULD WORK BEST THERE, AND WE FULLY SUPPORT THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE EIGHT HOMES ON THE STREET THAT BACK UP TO THE PROPERTY, AND THOSE RESIDENTS ARE ALL IN SUPPORT OF A RESIDENTIAL VERSUS, MORE AND MORE CONCRETE AND OFFICE BUILDINGS AND SUCH. SAVING THE TREES, WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT. WE'RE ALL A PROPONENT SAVING THOSE TREES, KEEPING WHAT WILDLIFE WE CAN BETWEEN 114 AND SHADY OAKS, TALL FENCING. THEN THE UTLEY FAMILY, THAT PROPERTY, AND I THINK THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE HIGHWAY THERE HAS BEEN IN THEIR FAMILY FOR 100 YEARS. SHIVERS AND UTLEY WERE VERY PLEASED THAT RESIDENTIAL WAS COMING INTO THAT PROPERTY THAT HAD BEEN THEIR FAMILY FOR SO LONG. WE SUPPORT THAT. I THOUGHT, ANYONE IN OPPOSITION OF THAT THAN BUY THE LAND YOURSELF. IF YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION OF THE RESIDENTIAL PART, BUY THE LAND YOURSELF AND CREATE A PARK OR JUST LEAVE THE TREES THERE. THAT WAS ALWAYS AN OPTION ALONG THE WAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR STAYING LATE WITH US. ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON 7C 7D? COME ON DOWN? AGAIN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THEN YOU'LL HAVE THOSE THREE MINUTES. >> GREAT. CHAD PETERS, 1816 SHADY OAK DRIVE. [NOISE] EXCUSE ME. I MADE IT THIS LONG, SO I FIGURED I MIGHT AS WELL SAY MY PIECE. I'M IN FAVOR OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID FOR APPROVING THE RESIDENTIAL [03:05:02] COMPLETELY AGAINST ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS LAND. I'M ONE OF THE ONLY TWO LOTS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, SO OUR NEIGHBOR TONY SPOKE EARLIER. WE WOULD BOTH BE, INUNDATED WITH COMMERCIAL SEEING, PARKING LOT AND OPEN AREA. COMPLETELY AGAINST THAT, BUT ALL THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT TREE RESERVATION AND THE ACCESS, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH, AND JUST APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THANKS. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE LATE TONIGHT. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS TONIGHT ON 7C AND 7D? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 7C AND 7D. COUNSEL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILO OR THE APPLICANT? I THINK WE'VE IDENTIFIED A FEW THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CHANGED OR NEED TO BE CHANGED, GOING INTO SECOND READING. MAYOR COUNCIL JIM WILLIAMSON, DO YOU WANT TO RECAP THOSE BEFORE MAKING THE MOTION? >> YEAH. LET'S GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. THERE WAS SOME CONSIDERATION COMING OUT OF P&Z. IT IS A BIT OBSCURE AS FAR AS PLACING A CONDITION THAT THE APPROVAL DOESN'T NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE TRACK TO THE NORTH REGARDING SETBACK SLOPES AND RELATING ZONING ISSUES. I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE ANY OF THAT. WE CERTAINLY CAN'T GO INTO A CRYSTAL BALL AND DECIDE IF THIS DECISION NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE MADE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES THAT I BELIEVE WOULD DO THAT. ARE WE COMFORTABLE? >> I'M NOT SURE WE'VE EVER DONE SOMETHING ON A PROSPECTIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S NOT IN FRONT OF US AND SAID, "OKAY, THIS APPLIES OR DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU. WE'LL JUST TAKE THAT UP IF AND WHEN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS AN APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT. WE'LL JUST TAKE IT UP THEN. >> YEAH, AND I APPRECIATE THE P&Z SENSITIVITY TO THAT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO INCLUDE THAT MOTION. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. >> DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? >> OKAY. APPLICANTS ALREADY ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF A 50-FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT ON THIS, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT. REGARDING THE 114 ACCESS, I'VE MODIFIED A LITTLE BIT FROM THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT AND WHAT P&Z RECOMMENDED. I'D LIKE THAT TO BE THAT THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO INVESTIGATE PRIOR TO SECOND READING, THE GATING OF THAT AND OPTIONS ON HOW TO POTENTIALLY ADJUST THE CUL-DE-SAC AND TO GATE THAT FOR BOTH ENTRY AND EXIT OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE QUEUING THAT WOULD BE NEEDED OFF OF 114, BUT THAT ALSO DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, THAT THAT IT NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD INVESTIGATE, BUT THAT THAT WOULD BE THE MANDATORY THE SOLE ENTRANCE AND EXIT DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE. I DON'T WANT ANYTHING COMING OFF OF SHADY BECAUSE I DO AGREE THAT ROAD ALREADY HAS SOME ISSUES RUNNING CONSTRUCTION UP AND DOWN THAT FOR A COUPLE OF SEVERAL YEARS, POTENTIALLY COULD REALLY BE DETRIMENTAL. I'LL INCLUDE THAT. >> DON'T YOU NEED TO INCLUDE THAT THE ENTRY AND EXITS FOR RESIDENTS ONLY, THOUGH? >> I WILL FOR THAT PORTION. ABSOLUTELY. LET'S SEE. THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL AROUND THE TREE PRESERVATION BY SECOND READING WITH A GOAL OF MINIMUM 30% ON THAT. [OVERLAPPING] >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOO GRANULAR FOR THE FIRST READING, BUT I JUST KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LEAVE TREES AND BUILD A GOOD CHUNK OF THEM ARE LIKELY NOT TO MAKE IT. MAYBE THAT'S FOR SECOND READING, PUTTING SOMETHING IN THE MOTION ADDRESSING THAT. >> I THINK IF WE PUT IT IN AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT ABLE TO MEET THAT DUE TO UNFORESEEN THINGS, THEN THERE WOULD BE REMEDIATION REQUIRED, IS THAT CORRECT, DIRECTOR KILO? >> YES, CORRECT. ONCE A TREE PRESERVATION PLAN IS APPROVED, INSTANCES WHERE A PARTICULAR TREE HAS TO BE REMOVED THAT WAS PRESERVED, WE WE CAN ISSUE PERMITS WITH MITIGATION TAKING PLACE. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT TO AN EXTREME THAT IT REALLY CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF WHAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED. IN THAT CASE, WE WOULD BRING IT BACK. >> I GUESS I'M SPEAKING MORE TO THE FUTURE BECAUSE THE CHANCES OF THEM MAKING IT ARE UNLIKELY. IF WE DON'T ADDRESS REPLACEMENT OF THOSE, MAYBE WE CAN'T. BUT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> HOW DOES THAT TIE TO PERMITS AND ALL THAT TYPE OF THING IF THEY GO IN AND ALL THE TREES OR [03:10:01] MORE TREES DIE THAN ARE EXPECTED DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS? WHAT IS THE LEVERAGE THAT THE CITY HAS TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN OR TO MINIMIZE THAT AND WHAT CAN WE DO? >> IF WE CAN, WHICH OFTEN WE CAN, IF WE ATTRIBUTE IT TO CONSTRUCTION THAT DISTURBED THE TREE, WE WILL ISSUE A MITIGATION. IT REQUIRE THAT IT BE MITIGATED. >> IS THAT PER CALIPER TYPE THING? IF IT'S A 20 " CALIPER, YOU'D BE REQUIRED TO MITIGATE WITH 20 " OF TREES. OBVIOUSLY, THAT WOULD BE 45 TREES TO MAKE UP FOR THE ONE. >> YES. THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF REF 4 STATION WITH MINIMUM CALIPER SIZE REPLACEMENT TO [INAUDIBLE] SIZE. >> BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO NAME THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THAT'S WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, CORRECT? >> THAT IS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, YES. THE ONLY TIME WE WOULD BRING SOMETHING BACK IS IF SOMETHING WAS DONE OR HAD TO BE DONE OUT THERE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED THE CHARACTER OF THE CONSERVATION PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED. >> OKAY. >> HOW FAR IN THE FUTURE DOES THAT GO? WITHIN A YEAR, WITHIN TWO YEARS, WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME ON THAT? >> AN EXACT TIME FRAME, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY WITHIN A YEAR WHERE YOU COULD CLEARLY ATTRIBUTE IT TO CONSTRUCTION-SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE AN EXACT DATE TO PROVIDE YOU. WE WOULD USE THE EXPERTISE OF OUR FORESTER AND LANDSCAPE ADMINISTRATOR TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, BUT WE CAN USUALLY TELL DURING CONSTRUCTION PHASE, WHETHER THEY DISTURB THE ROOT ZONE AND BEYOND WHAT IS PERMITTED AND CAN REQUIRE A REMOVAL PERMIT AT THAT POINT. >> IT'S HARD TO MAKE, ITS AIR TIGHT, BUT THE ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS IT'S CLEARLY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE DEVELOPER NOT TO HAVE THOSE TREES DIE DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THAT GETS VERY EXPENSIVE TO REFOREST WHEN YOU'RE TALKING 5, 06, 7 TREES TO MAKE UP FOR ONE OLD TREE. >> BUT ISN'T THIS PREEMPTED BY THE APPLICANT COMING BACK AND SAYING, I CAN'T GET TO 30, I CAN GET THE 27 AND THEN WE'RE AWARE OF THAT, AND WE GO FROM THERE? >> YOU COULD, YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE, WHICH IS IF YOU SET IT AT 20, AND THEN THEY COME IN AT 18 BECAUSE SOME DIED, SAME ISSUE. IT'S NOT SO RELEVANT WHAT THE NUMBER IS. IT'S MORE, WHAT'S THE MITIGATION, IF IT FALLS BELOW? >> LOOKING AT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT'S IMPRACTICAL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE 30. >> I THINK THEY SAID THEY LEAVE IT [OVERLAPPING] GIVEN THE INCREASED BUFFER AND SETBACK, THEY MIGHT BE PRETTY CLOSE OR MIGHT EXCEED IT RIGHT NOW. LET'S SEE WHAT THEY COME UP WITH IN TWO WEEKS OR THREE WEEKS, WHENEVER IT IS. BUT I THINK ON THAT, FOR ME, THE 30% IS THE MINIMUM. I'M NOT SAYING THEY NEED TO GET CLOSE. THEY NEED TO HIT 30% AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME WAY WE CAN WORK AROUND THAT THE GOAL IS 30, SO MAYBE WE BUILD IN AN EXTRA 10%, SO YOU NEED TO HIT 33% IN CASE SOME DIE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND WE NET OUT OR BOTTOM OUT AT 30%. JUST SOME IDEAS ON THAT. I AGREE WITH YOUR THOUGHTS, AND THAT HAS HAPPENED, AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO ANYTHING INTENTIONAL DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. WE HAD A CASE YEARS AGO WHERE SOMEONE LITERALLY POISONED TREES. >> OH, MAN. >> GOT RID OF THEIR TREE PRESERVATION PROBLEM BY GETTING RID OF THE TREES. I KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN HERE, BUT DURING CONSTRUCTION, MAYBE WE BUILD IN SOMETHING WHERE YOU AIM FOR 33% AND SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS DURING CONSTRUCTION, WE NET OUT AT 30, AND WE'RE ALL GOOD. BUT [OVERLAPPING] I PUT THAT IN THE MOTION. >> I THINK I WILL GO WITH 30 WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE DEVELOPER. I WOULD COME IN ABOVE 30, SO YOU HAVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM. >> YEAH. LET'S DO THAT. >> YOU BROUGHT BACK PTSD FOR ME BECAUSE MAYOR HILL, I THINK, WILL TELL YOU THAT WAS MY LOW POINT ON THIS DAIS WAS WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT TREE BEING POISONED. >> IT ENDED UP BEING A CRIMINAL CASE AGAINST SOMEBODY SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT HERE. >> WE TAKE TREE SERIOUSLY IN SOUTHLAKE. >> THE LAST THING IS WE DIDN'T TALK MUCH ABOUT IT, BUT THE APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT SOME VARIATION POSSIBILITIES REGARDING THE WALL ON 114, WHETHER IT'S A RETAINING WALL WITH VEGETATION TO COVER THE MAJORITY OF THE RETAINING WALL SO IT'S MORE VEGETATION VIEWED FROM 114 AND THESE DIFFERENT ISSUES AROUND SOUND MITIGATION. I'LL TRY TO TIGHTEN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT ARE WE REQUESTING THAT THE APPLICANT COME WITH OPTIONS REGARDING THE RETAINING WALL AND VEGETATION SCREENING FOR US TO CONSIDER? [03:15:02] >> I'M NOT SURE I'D LIKE THE IDEA OF THE WALL. THE GREAT WALL OF SOUTHLAKE. THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG WALL RIGHT ON 114. I'M NOT SURE I SUPPORT THAT. I GET THE SOUND MITIGATION. I'D RATHER OVERDO IT ON. >> VEGETATION. >> VEGETATION, AND IT WON'T BE PERHAPS AS GOOD IN SOUND MITIGATION, BUT IT WOULD LOOK A WHOLE LOT BETTER, IN MY OPINION. I WANT YOU ALL THINK ABOUT A WALL VERSUS NO WALL. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. I LIVE A MILE FROM 114, AND I CAN BE IN MY HOUSE OR IN MY BACKYARD AND HEAR TRAFFIC. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING. I'M A HALF MILE AS CROW FLIES. >> I PREFER NOT A WALL. >> YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IT. IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. A WALL IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE MUCH. >> NO, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK WORSE AND NOT REALLY HELP THE ISSUE. >> I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE THOSE HOUSES FROM 114, SO I WANT SOME PRETTY HEALTHY VEGETATION THERE. >> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT 50 FEET. >> WELL VEGETATED. >> YOU GOT TO 50 FEET, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THEM. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME FOR THE VEGETATION TO GET TO A POINT WHERE IT WOULD. >> YEAH. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE OUR ULTIMATE GOAL. >> SURE. >> I'VE GOT A LOT OF NOTES. I'M GOING TO MOVE SLOWLY [OVERLAPPING] >> THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE I SAW, SOMEONE BROUGHT UP, WE'RE ALIGNING THE ENTRANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH GARDEN COURT, WHICH IS A GREAT IDEA [OVERLAPPING]. >> THE FOUR WAY STOP. >> SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THE FOUR WAY STOP. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS LATER ON WHEN WE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY TO SEE WHAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS. I'M NOT SURE WE CAN REALLY GO AHEAD AND SAY, WE'LL DO IT NOW WITHOUT SEEING WHAT THE TRAFFIC COUNTS REALLY ARE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. WE'VE DONE A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ON WHAT THE ACTUAL CARS ARE. IT PROBABLY WILL JUSTIFY IT OR MANDATE IT, BUT, WE'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT THAT WE'LL DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AFTER THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS BUILT AND SEE IF IT'S WARRANTED AND IF IT IS, THEN WE'LL PUT IN THE FOUR WAY STOP, LIKE WE'VE DONE IN SOME OTHER AREAS RECENTLY. >> I THINK IT'S A GREAT WAY TO APPROACH. MY GUT IS LIKE YOURS. I THINK IT IS GOING TO MAKE SENSE THERE FOR TRAFFIC CALMING ANYWAY. IT FITS UP NICELY WITH THE ROAD ACROSS THE STREET. I'M HOPING THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL [OVERLAPPING] >> LET'S JUST MAKE A NOTE THAT UPON COMPLETION OF THE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION, THE CITY WILL UNDERTAKE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY TO SEE IF A FOUR WAY STOP IS WARRANTED. GET THAT DONE RIGHT AWAY, AND IF IT IS. WE CAN INSTALL THOSE WITHIN DAYS OR WEEKS THE WAY WE DO IT. >> ONE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE TO ME BY A RESIDENT IS THAT PICK UP FOR DURHAM BACKS UP ALL THE WAY TO DOVE. I THINK PROBABLY A FOUR WAY STOP, AND TO SLOW THINGS DOWN, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD THING. I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT THAT THE POTENTIAL OF PUTTING THAT STOP SIGN IN. >> I'LL CAPTURE IT IN THERE. THAT'LL COME AFTER THAT'S BUILT. >> MAYOR ARE YOU READY? >> YEP. MOTION, PLEASE. >> THERE'S A LOT OF NOTES HERE. I'LL TRY TO COBBLE IT TOGETHER SLOWLY, SO EVERYBODY CHECK. >> SEPARATE MOTIONS ON 7C AND 7D. >> WE'LL START WITH SEVEN C. THAT'S THE EASIER ONE. MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 7C, ORDINANCE NUMBER 1269D, CP 25-0001, FIRST READING AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. AN ELEMENT OF THE SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR 1835 SHADY OAKS. ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 1A01B, JAMES J. WEST SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 1620, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TERRA COUNTY, TEXAS. LOCATED AT 1835 SHADY OAK DRIVE. THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED APRIL 8, 2025, AND NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AN ELEMENT OF THE SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FROM OFFICE COMMERCIAL TO LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND MEDIUM-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AS PRESENTED AND REMOVING THE OPTIONAL LAND USE DESIGNATION OF MULTI-TENANT OFFICE FROM THIS SPECIFIC AREA, GIVEN ITS INCONSISTENCY WITH THE AMENDED UNDERLYING LAND USE DESIGNATION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 7C. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION CARRIES 6 0. ITEM 7C IS APPROVED ON FIRST READING. LET'S DO 7D. >> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 7D, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-830 Z25-0005, FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE, AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 1835 SHADY OAK DRIVE. ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 1A01B. JAMES J. WEST SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 1620. CITY OF SOUTHLAKE TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 1835, SHADY OAK DRIVE. SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED APRIL 8, 2025, AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 3 DATED APRIL 8, 2025. NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE IN DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 29 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON APPROXIMATELY 20.6 ACRES, NOTING WE ARE CHANGING THE ZONING FROM AG AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO RPUD, RESIDENTIAL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING, AS PRESENTED THIS EVENING, NOTING THE FOLLOWING. >> WE ARE PROVING THIS CONTINGENT ON A 50 FOOT SETBACK OFF [03:20:03] OF SHADY OAKS INSTEAD OF THE 40 FOOT SETBACK. ALSO 50 FOOT SETBACK OFF OF THE 114 ACCESS. NOTING THAT WE'RE REQUIRING THAT CONSTRUCTION ENTRY AND EXIT FROM THE PROPERTY WILL UTILIZE THE ENTRANCE OFF OF STATE HIGHWAY 114 AS ITS STILL CONSTRUCTION ENTRY AND EXIT. NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE MORE SPECIFIC DETAILS ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, SPECIFIC TO TREE PRESERVATION, MEETING A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF 30% WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO COME IN ABOVE 30% BY SECOND READING. ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL WITH REGARDS TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 114 TO MOST EFFECTIVELY ADDRESS NOISE. TO MITIGATE NOISE WITH AN ADVANCED LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE A MASONRY WALL. NOTING THE APPLICANTS AGREEMENT TO PRESENT POTENTIAL IRRIGATION OPTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE VEGETATION WALL ALONG 114 AT SECOND READING. NOTING THAT THE COUNCIL IS ASKING AND THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE GATING OPTIONS TO THE 114 ACCESS ENTRY EXIT BY SECOND READING THAT WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO RESIDENTS ONLY. NOTING THE COUNCIL'S INTEREST IN CONDUCTING A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY FOR THE POTENTIAL OF INSTALLATION OF A FOUR WAY STOP ALONG SHADY OAKS ONCE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY CAN BE COMPLETED. >> DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, ALL GOOD? >> ON SHADY OAKS, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY YOU SAID 50 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK, BUT THAT IS INCLUSIVE OF A BUFFER YARD. >> THAT IS INCLUSIVE OF BUFFER YARD. THAT'S CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. >> THE OTHER THING, RANDY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE MOTION, BUT THAT THE QUEUING COMING IN TO THAT CUL-DE-SAC. IS THAT COVERED? >> YES. LET ME AMEND THAT MOTION. TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. WHEN THE APPLICANT BRINGS BACK POTENTIAL PRESENTATION REGARDING THE GATING TO ENTER AN EXIT OF 114, THAT PROVIDES ADEQUATE QUEUING FOR TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF 114. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THAT'S UP TO THEM TO SHOW US HOW THAT WORKS. >> DID YOU MENTION THE CHANGE ON THE BUFFERING AND THE BUILD LINE ON THE 114 SIDE. I'M ON BOTH SIDES, THEN. >> DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING WE NEED TO CHANGE OR DO ON THAT MOTION? >> NO, MAYOR THAT CLARIFIED. THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> CAST THE VOTES. THAT MOTION CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 7D IS APPROVED ON FIRST READING, WE'LL SEE YOU ALL NEXT TIME ON THOSE TWO ITEMS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE LATE TONIGHT. APPRECIATE YOUR HELP, AND APPRECIATE YOU ALL PARTICIPATING IN OUR PROCESS. MUCH APPRECIATED. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BATHROOM BREAK. SORRY, I KNOW WE HAVE ONE ITEM LEFT, BUT WE NEED TO TAKE THAT BREAK, SO WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. THANK YOU. WE'RE BACK FROM OUR BRIEF RECESS, AND ONTO OUR LAST ITEM OF THE EVENING, ITEM 7E, ORDINANCE NUMBER 48-831, [7.E. Ordinance No. 480-831, ZA25-0014, 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for 500 E. Bob Jones Rd., on property described as Lot 1, William Phillips No. 1017 Addition, an addition to the City of Southlake, Denton County, Texas. Current Zoning: “AG” Agricultural District. Requested Zoning: “SF-1A” Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #1. ] CASE NUMBER ZA25-0014, FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 500 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL, THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE ZONING ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 500 EAST BOB JONES FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO SF 1A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THIS IS AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS PROPERTY IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND AS MENTIONED, THE CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL. THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN. [03:25:03] IT PROPOSES SEVEN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS OFF OF A CUL-DE-SAC STREET ON JUST OVER EIGHT ACRES. THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN THIS DISTRICT OR THIS CONCEPT PLAN IS 43,653, AND THE AVERAGE LOT AREA IS 47,255 SQUARE FEET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE, A REDUCTION OF THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS THAT RUN ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE OF THE NEW STREET FOR THE CORNER LOTS AT BOB JONES AND THE PROPOSED NEW CUL-DE-SAC. THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT BE REDUCED TO THE DISTRICT SIDE YARD SETBACK OF 20 FEET. THIS IS THE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN. THERE IS ONE TREE EXPECTED TO BE REMOVED, AND THE PROPERTY IS JUST OVER 7% TREE COVER, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING PRESERVATION OF ROUGHLY 91% OF THAT. THIS IS A STREET VIEW OF THE EXISTING HOME ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS PLANNED TO REMAIN AS WELL AS THE HORSE BARN AND JUST SOME VIEWS ALONG BOB JONES IN EACH DIRECTION. WE SENT NOTICES TO SEVEN PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE 300 FOOT NOTIFICATION BOUNDARY. WE'VE RECEIVED SIX RESPONSES FROM THOSE, AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE IN OPPOSITION OF THE 200 FOOT PERIMETER BOUNDARY, WHICH CAN IMPACT VOTE REQUIREMENT AT A SECOND READING. THE OPPOSITION AREA WITHIN THAT BOUNDARY IS AT ROUGHLY 34%. WHICH IF APPROVED AND SECOND READING HELD ON THIS ITEM, DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING, THE OPPOSITION WOULD REQUIRE THREE FOURTHS OF THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO VOTE IN AFFIRMATIVE, WHICH WOULD BE SIX AFFIRMATIVE VOTES. THE OUTSIDE THE 300 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA, THERE WERE THREE RESPONSES RECEIVED IN FAVOR AND 19 OPPOSED. THEN ADDITIONALLY, WE RECEIVED A PETITION WITH 37 SIGNATURES IDENTIFYING THEIR OPPOSITION. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THE APPROVAL OF THE ITEM AT THEIR APRIL 3RD MEETING, SIX TO ONE, AND NOTING THAT APPLICANT AGREED TO RETAIN THE PERIMETER FENCING AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, THAT LOT 7, THE HOME THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED ON LOT 7 WOULD FACE EAST BOB JONES. APPLICANT WOULD WORK WITH THE CITY WHO WILL HELP PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO WATER PRESSURE AND SERVICING THE AREA, WHICH OUR STAFF HAS DONE THAT AND CAN ADDRESS THAT INFORMATION. THE APPLICANT ALSO AGREED TO PLANT, FIVE, SIX INCH CALIPER TREES ON EACH LOT. THAT WOULD BE MINIMUM, THEY WOULD BE SIX INCH OR LARGER. THAT CONSTRUCTION HOURS WOULD BE LIMITED TO 7:00 AM TO 5:00 PM. OTHERWISE, FOLLOW THE CITY'S ORDINANCE WITH REGARD TO NOISE AND CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES. THEY COMMISSION ASKED THAT THE CITY ALSO HELP PROVIDE ANY CONTEXTS WITH REGARD TO DRAINAGE OR SKY OR ACTUALLY STREET LIGHTING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH CONCERNS OF JUST DARK SKY PRESERVATION, AND THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD AGREE TO RETAIN OR ESCROW SIDEWALKS, AND THEN ALSO AGREED THAT DRIVEWAY DEPTH FOR ANY DRIVEWAYS COMING OFF OF BOB JONES WOULD BE ADEQUATE TO PROVIDE FULL VEHICLE STACKING FOR DELIVERY VEHICLES AND RESIDENTS IF GATED. [03:30:05] WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL. >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH AT THIS TIME? >> ON THE LIGHTING PORTION OF THAT TENNIS, ARE THERE NO STREET LIGHTS PROPOSED, CORRECT? >> I WOULD ADDRESS THAT WITH THE APPLICANT. STREET LIGHTING IS OPTIONAL FOR THE DEVELOPER. IN THIS CASE, I WOULD BELIEVE THEY'RE WILLING TO FOREGO STREET LIGHTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I WOULD ADDRESS THAT WITH HIM. >> JUST TO CONFIRM THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL? >> YES, SIR. >> THEY'RE PROPOSING A ZONING CHANGE TO SF 1A, WHICH STANDS FOR SINGLE FAMILY ONE ACRE? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> CLIENT WITH LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL? >> YES. THE DENSITY IS WELL BELOW THE MINIMUM ONE DWELLING UNIT PER NET ACRE OF LAND AS THEY ARE PROPOSING IT. YES. >> THE EXISTING HOUSE WILL STAY, SO THEY'RE ADDING SEVEN NEW HOUSES? >> SIX. >> SIX NEW. OKAY. >>YES. >> IT'D BE TOTAL OF SEVEN HOUSES ON EIGHT ACRES? >> YES. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? NEXT, WE'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME ON DOWN. YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS. I THINK YOUR PRESENTATIONS ALREADY LOADED UP. >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, JODIE BOYD 404 NORTH OAK STREET. PLEASE TO PRESENT OUR PROJECT TONIGHT AT 500 EAST BOB JONES, AS DIRECTOR KILLOUGH SAID, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL AND TO THE CITY FOR THIS PROJECT IS, WE LOOKED AT THE GREATER AREA, THE INFLUENCES OF THE GREATER AREA, EVERYTHING THAT'S SURROUNDED IN A WHITE AND RED DASH LINE. IS A ONE ACRE LOT, SO THERE'S A MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENCES IN THIS AREA ARE ONE ACRE LOTS. THIS IS A MACRO PICTURES WE BACKED OUT. WE ALSO WANTED TO COME AND LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER TO WHERE WE'RE AT. LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL SAY IS WE DIDN'T WANT TO SWIM AGAINST CURRENT, WE WANTED TO COMPLY WITH THE FUTURE LANES PLAN ON THIS, SO THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT ONE ACRE LOTS. WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THAT AT ALL. WE ACTUALLY DID IT AND DID A SURVEY. WE HAVE 8.4 ACRES, THE ROAD OVER HERE ON THE LEFT, HOMESTEAD, AND THEN BROOKS COURT TO THE SOUTH OF US, THERE ARE ONE ACRE LOTS THROUGHOUT THIS AREA. WE WANTED TO REMAIN CONSISTENT, WITH THAT AESTHETIC AND BRINGING ONE ACRE LOTS TO BEAR ON THIS PROJECT. OBVIOUSLY, OUR NEIGHBOR, LARGE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO THE WEST OF US, THE 7.5 ACRES HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED YET. EVERY SINGLE LOT IN HERE COMPLIES WITH THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS WELL. ONE ACRE LOTS, AS I SAID, OUR NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET, ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL SAY, IF YOU LOOK DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROJECT, THERE'S THREE LOTS ACROSS THE STREET FROM US. WE HAVE A LITTLE WIDER TRACT THAN THOSE THREE LOTS COMBINED. WE WANTED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH, SO WE WERE PROPOSING THREE LOTS THAT FACE ONTO BOB JONES AS WELL. WE WANTED TO KNOW, DEFINITELY BE SENSITIVE TO THAT. OUR LOTS ARE A LITTLE BIT WIDER, BUT NOT QUITE AS DEEP. THE EXISTING HOME ON LOT NUMBER 1, FACES BOB JONES ALREADY, WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THAT, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME. I THINK 6,900 SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OBVIOUSLY, A VALUABLE ASSET FOR THIS PROJECT. LOT NUMBER 2, OBVIOUSLY, WITH NO STREET FRONTAGE, OTHER THAN BOB JONES, WOULD FACE SOUTH AS WELL WITH A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES ONTO BOB JONES. THEN WE AGREED FROM THE SPIN MEETING AND THE P&Z ON LOT 7 TO REQUIRE LOT 7 TO FACE SOUTH TO FRONT ONTO BOB JONES. NOW WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A DRIVEWAY WILL COME OFF OF THE NEW STREET FOR THAT LOT 7, BUT THE HOME WILL FACE TO THE SOUTH TO MIRROR WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING TO THE SOUTH AS WELL. HERE'S OUR CONCEPT PLAN. AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL OF OUR LOTS ARE GREATER THAN ONE ACRE. WE TRIED TO FOCUS THE LOT SIZES ON LOTS 1 AND 2 FACE THE SOUTH TO AGAIN, MIRROR THE AESTHETIC OF THE AREA. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID FOR FENCING, THE GREEN LINE REPRESENTS THE FENCE THAT GOES AROUND THE PROPERTY. WE'RE GOING TO RETAIN THAT EXISTING FENCE, IT'S A PIPE CABLE FENCE. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT, SO FENCE LINE TO OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT. MR. JOHNSON'S PROPERTY, WE'RE GOING TO GO THERE AND CHAT OUT TREES AND PUT A NEW FENCE OUT THERE JUST BECAUSE, WE'RE DOING A DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT FENCE THE WAY IT IS. ALSO, THE FENCE THAT'S REPRESENTED HERE IN PURPLE IS A SPLIT RAIL FENCE, [03:35:01] FOUR RAIL FENCE, EQUESTRIAN FENCE. WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THAT AS WELL. WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT AESTHETIC THE WAY IT IS. HERE'S A PICTURE LOOKING OFF TO THE EAST ALONG BOB JONES. WE'RE GOING TO USE THE SAME STYLE OF LIMESTONE ROCK FOR THE COLUMNS FOR THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT ON THE NEW DRIVEWAYS LOT NUMBER 2. WE'LL ALSO USE THAT TO FRAME THE ENTRANCE, WHERE THE NEW STREET WILL BE JUST PAST THE TREES OVER HERE TO THE RIGHT. REALLY WANTED TO BE AS LEAST IMPACTFUL AS POSSIBLE WHEN WE DID THE PERIMETER FENCING ON THIS, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE PROPOSED AS WE SPOKE TO THE NEIGHBORS. WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT. WHAT ELSE? LET'S SEE HERE. JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT. THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERN ABOUT DRAINAGE ON THIS, AND I'LL GET TO A DRAINAGE TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP HERE JUST A LITTLE BIT. CLEARLY, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS PICTURE, STANDING ON BOB JONES ROAD, OUR PROPERTY ALL FALLS AWAY FROM BOB JONES. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR US TO DRAIN ONTO OUR NEIGHBORS. WE RECEIVE WATER FROM THE WEST. IT ALL GOES OFF TO THE EAST AND TO THE NORTH INTO LAKE GRAPEVINE. WE DON'T PROPOSE TO CHANGE THAT WHATSOEVER. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I WANTED TO PROPOSE TONIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK, WE WANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN THIS AREA. THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ALONG BOB JONES OR REALLY IN THIS AREA AT ALL. WE THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO ESCROW THAT MONEY OR OTHERWISE FOR THE SIDEWALKS. ALSO, NO STREET LIGHTS. WE'RE FINE DOING SOME LOW LIGHT DOWNWARD FACING STREET LIGHTS, IF THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE PREFERRED, BUT WE'RE ALSO FINE WITH NO STREET LIGHTS WHATSOEVER TO MATCH THE AESTHETIC OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. >> AGAIN, HERE'S THE DRAINAGE THAT GOES OFF TO THE EAST AND NORTH. YOU CAN SEE WE RECEIVED WATER FROM THE WEST FROM OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST. WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE CARE OF THAT. THIS DIAGRAM SHOWS THE WATER COMING OFF OF BOB JONES ONTO OUR PROPERTY, COMING DOWN FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC, AND THEN WE'LL EXIT THE PROPERTY OFF TO THE EAST THROUGH THAT EIGHT INCH OR EIGHT FOOT CONCRETE FUME THAT GOES OFF INTO THE CORE OF ENGINEER PROPERTY. WE'D HAVE TO BRING A WHOLE LOT OF DIRT OUT HERE TO GET THE WATER TO DRAIN ONTO OUR NEIGHBORS. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT WHATSOEVER. THIS IS THE WATER PLAN. AS YOU ALL KNOW, THESE ARE SEPTIC SYSTEMS OUT THERE. WE'VE SPOKEN WITH MANY NEIGHBORS. THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. WE HAD A LICENSED SEPTIC SYSTEM SANITARY SEWER COMPANY COME OUT AND ASSESS THE SITE. THEY TOOK SOIL SAMPLES, THEY RAN TESTS. THEY DETERMINED AND WE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY THAT IT'S SUITABLE FOR SANITARY SEPTIC SYSTEMS NOW. THESE WILL ALL BE AEROBIC SYSTEMS. ESSENTIALLY, THE WATER THAT COMES OUT OF THESE AEROBIC SYSTEMS IS AFFLUENT WATER, THE SAME THAT COMES OUT OF THE SEWER TREATMENT PLANT FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE AND CERTAINLY THE SIZE OF THIS PROJECT. ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT ONTO LAKE GRAPEVINE. THE SIZE OF THESE HOMES AND THE SIZE OF THESE LOTS, ALL OF THAT AFFLUENT THAT COMES OUT OF THE SEPTIC TANKS WILL STAY THERE ON SITE MUCH LIKE IT DOES ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS. ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES FROM P&Z AND FROM THE SPIN MEETING WAS WATER PRESSURE. CERTAINLY WE DON'T WANT TO PUT HOUSES HERE THAT CAN'T BE SERVED BY WATER. WE REACHED OUT TO THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, LAUREN. MAYBE SHE'S HERE. I'M SORRY. I DON'T WANT TO BUTCHER YOUR LAST NAME. SPOKE WITH LAUREN, ASKED THEM, SO PLEASE, HELLO, LAUREN, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MEET YOU IN PERSON? ASKED THEM TO GO CHECK THE WATER PRESSURE. SHE WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO HAVE CITY STAFF DO THAT. THEY WENT AND CHECK THE WATER PRESSURE AT THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, BROOKS COURT, WALNUT GROVE, AND EAST BOB JONES, JUST RIGHT ACROSS WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT SAYS AN EXISTING FIRE HYDRANT IS. THERE WERE NO CONCERNS, AND I'LL JUST QUOTE HER. "THE TEST DID NOT INDICATE A SYSTEM CONCERN IN THE AREA." I THINK WE PUT THAT TO BED. THE CITY STAFF HELPED US WITH THAT. OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL RELY ON THEIR EXPERTISE. BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID ADDRESS THAT. I'LL GO BACK. WE ARE PROPOSING WHAT WE BELIEVE MATCHES OUR NEIGHBORS. THIS IS THE GREATEST SLIDE THAT I HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT EXAMPLE. THERE ARE ONE ACRE LOTS ALL OVER THIS PART OF SOUTHLAKE. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAT OUR NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE. WE'RE ASKING FOR ONE ACRE LOTS. THESE WILL ALL BE CUSTOM HOMES IN THE 3.5-$4.5 MILLION RANGE. VERY HIGH VALUE. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SUBSCRIPTION FOR THESE ONE ACRE LOTS. WE BELIEVE THE MARKET IS STRONG FOR THIS, AND WE ARE SIMPLY DOING OUR BEST TO TRY TO COMPLY WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND DO OUR BEST FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. I'VE MET WITH THE SEVERAL NEIGHBORS. WE'VE DONE THIS A LOT. THAT'S WHAT WE DO FOR A LIVING. WE'RE GOING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. I'VE GIVEN MY CARD, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM, WE'VE TALKED TO THEM. AS THIS PROCESS GOES ON, WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT, AS WE WOULD DO WITH ANY SUBDIVISION, BUT WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL FOR THIS CASE, AND I'LL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THANK YOU. [03:40:01] >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. >> WOULD THIS HAVE AN HOA WITH IT OR NOT? >> YES, MA'AM. WE'LL HAVE AN HOA TO ENSURE THE QUALITY OF THE CONSTRUCTION. WE'LL HAVE AN HOA THAT DETERMINES THAT. ONE THING I DO WANT TO MENTION, MY GRANDPARENTS HAD A PLANT FARM, A NURSERY HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. THEY MOVED HERE IN 1960. I GREW UP PLANTING TREES ALL OVER THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AND GRAPEVINE. I'M A TREE HUGGER. WE'LL GO OUTSIDE AND HUG A TREE RIGHT NOW IF Y'ALL WANT ME TO. BUT WE ARE COMMITTED TO REQUIRING THOSE BUILDERS TO PLANT FIVE, SIX INCH CALIBER TREES OR BIGGER ON ALL THESE LOTS. WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS, OUR INTENTION IS THERE'S MORE TREES, WE'LL BE ON SITE WHEN WE'RE FINISHED THAN EXISTS TODAY. WE'RE COMMITTED TO THAT. THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WERE THERE THAT DIRECTOR [INAUDIBLE] DELINEATED. WE'RE FINE WITH THOSE THINGS. WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST HERE TO BRING A QUALITY PROJECT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. >> I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE ONE REQUIREMENT ON THAT LOT 7 WHERE, I GUESS YOU'RE WILLING TO, BUT I'M CURIOUS IF YOU WOULD PREFER THAT TO FACE BOB JONES AND I'M JUST THINKING IF I'M THE HOMEOWNER, I'D WANT MY BACKYARD TO BACK UP TO THE CORE. >> I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT WAS A CONCESSION TO OUR NEIGHBOR THERE ON THE RIGHT, HAS THE 1.35 ACRE LOT. HE HAD REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE THAT LOT FACE SOUTH FROM THE SPIN MEETING, SO THAT'S WHY WE WE'RE REQUIRING THAT. IS A CONCESSION TO THEM. >> I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THE CITY TELLING A DEVELOPER OR EVEN MORE SO A HOME OWNER WHICH WAY THEIR HOUSE HAS TO FACE BASED ON THE ZONING. I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL BUYING THE LOT WHERE THEY WANT THEIR HOUSE TO FACE. I'D HAVE A PROBLEM. THE OTHER TWO ARE ACROSS FROM THERE. ONE'S ALREADY THERE. I CAN SEE MATCHING THAT RIGHT NEXT DOOR. I JUST I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MAKING SOMEONE WHO LIVES RIGHT NEXT TO A CORE PROPERTY NOT BE ABLE TO BACK UP TO CORE PROPERTY. THAT'S MY TAKE ON THAT. >> I WOULD SAY GENERALLY, COMMISSIONER, I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE UP TO THE HOMEOWNER. THAT WAS HOWEVER A CONCESSION WE WERE WILLING TO MAKE WITH THE NEIGHBORS. THAT'S WHY WE DICTATED THAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. WE MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. ITEM 7E IS A FIRST READING, SO IT DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I SEE ALL ARE HERE, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 7E. FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE AN ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT FORM SUBMITTAL FROM AMBER BUTCHER AT 129 WELFORD LANE IN SOUTHLAKE. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD SUPPORT FOR ITEM 7E. ALSO, AN EMAIL FROM AMBER BUTCHER, SAME ADDRESS, SUPPORTING ITEM 7E, AN EMAIL FROM JOHN DOTTY AT 4322 HOMESTEAD DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, STATING OPPOSITION TO THE ZONING CHANGE AT 500 EAST BOB JONES. ANOTHER EMAIL FROM RICHARD ANDERSON AT 4553 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD, STATING OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM. NEXT, WE HAVE THE COMMENT CARDS THAT ARE SUBMITTED HERE IN PERSON TONIGHT. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WISH TO SPEAK REGARDING THE ITEM. IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK, OR IF YOU INDICATED YOU DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT DO, YOU CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE YOUR MIND AT ANY TIME. THESE ARE THE PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS THAT HAVE INDICATED THEY DO WISH TO SPEAK. WE'LL START OFF WITH NANCY PAULSON AT 455 EAST BOB JONES ROAD, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 7E. COME ON DOWN. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE LATE AT NIGHT. >> WELL, IT'S PAST MY BEDTIME, BUT I'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS. >> SAME HERE. IF YOU NEED TO ADJUST THAT MICROPHONE, YOU CAN PULL IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. THERE YOU GO. >> MY NAME IS NANCY PAULSON, 455 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. FOR 18 YEARS, I AND MY LATE HUSBAND HAVE LIVED ACROSS FROM 500 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. GEORGE AND I WERE BOTH THRILLED TO SEE A BEAUTIFUL EQUESTRIAN HOMESTEAD COMPLETED ON THIS EIGHT ACRE PROPERTY APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS AGO. FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WAS THE REWARD FOR OUR COLLECTIVE EFFORT IN 2017 TO STOP A DEVELOPER FROM ERECTING SEVEN HOME SITES ON THIS PROPERTY TO CREATE A POCKET SUBDIVISION. LAST NIGHT, I DECIDED FOR THE FIRST TIME TO READ THROUGH RELEVANT PORTIONS OF THE 2035 SOUTHLAKE LAND USE PLAN, ORDINANCE 1191 ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL JUNE 19, 2018. KUDOS TO THIS PAST COUNCIL FOR APPROVING SUCH AN EASILY READ AND WELL ILLUSTRATED DOCUMENT. IT WAS NOT THE DRY STATISTICAL MATERIAL I HAD ANTICIPATED. I PRINTED PAGE 7 OF THIS DOCUMENT AS I FELT IT WAS MOST [03:45:02] RELEVANT TO OUR CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD SITUATION OF ONCE AGAIN, DEALING WITH A DEVELOPER WHO WISHES TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AT 500 EAST BOB JONES ROAD AND ERECT A SEVEN HOME POCKET SUBDIVISION. I'D LIKE TO QUOTE FROM PAGE 7, IF I MAY. "THE NORTH SECTOR HAS A DISTINCTIVE RURAL CHARACTER DUE TO THE LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THE HEAVY CONCENTRATION OF NATURAL LANDSCAPE. AS SUCH, THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVES FOR PLANNING IN THE NORTH SECTOR ARE THE PRESERVATION AND ENHANCEMENT OF THE EXISTING RURAL CHARACTER AND THE PRESERVATION OF NATURAL AREAS." FURTHER, AND I QUOTE. "MOST OF THE LAND IN THE NORTH SECTOR IS EITHER DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES OR PROTECTED AS CORE PROPERTY OR PARK LAND. THERE IS VERY LITTLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE SECTOR. ALTHOUGH EQUESTRIAN ESTATES ARE FOUND THROUGHOUT SOUTHLAKE, THERE'S A CONCENTRATION OF THESE PROPERTIES IN THE NORTH SECTOR, PARTICULARLY ALONG BOB JONES ROAD." FURTHERMORE, AND I QUOTE. "ACCORDINGLY, THE PRESERVATION OF THE RURAL CHARACTER IN THE NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHLAKE IS ONE OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO THE CITIZENS. PRESERVATION OF THE NORTH SIDE'S DEVELOPMENT WILL PROVIDE AN EXCEPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF THE MOST RAPIDLY DEVELOPING AREAS OF THE COUNTRY. ALSO, AS AVAILABLE LAND BECOMES SCARCE IN THE METROPLEX, THIS UNIQUE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WILL HELP MAINTAIN AND EVEN INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES OVER OTHER MORE TYPICAL OR STANDARD TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT." APPROVAL OF A ZONING CHANGE TO PERMIT THE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION OF A POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDIVISION AT 500 EAST BOB JONES WOULD, IN MY OPINION, BE DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO THE 2035 LAND USE PLAN AND A BLIGHT ON PAGE 7 OF ITS CONTENTS. PLEASE LET OUR DEER AND OTHER WILDLIFE CONTINUE TO GRAZE IN PEACE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT COMMENT CARD IS FROM FRED JOHNSON AT 400 EAST BOB JONES ROAD, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 7E. THEN SUSAN JOHNSON WILL BE NEXT. >> GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING. >> MY NAME IS FRED JOHNSON 400 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. THE DEVELOPER AND I HAVE SPOKEN SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, AND I WILL TELL YOU A LITTLE EPIPHANY THAT I HAD TODAY, DRIVING HOME FROM RUNNING SOME ERRANDS ACROSS THEIR NEW BRIDGE OVER KIRKWOOD BRANCH AND DRIVING UP NORTH WHITE CHAPEL FOR HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF TIME WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 41 YEARS IF I'VE MADE THAT TRIP. BUT I NOTICED A BIG DIFFERENCE TO THE LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT. TO THE LEFT WERE THE HOMES AND ROOFS OF A LARGE DEVELOPMENT, CARILLON DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE WITH HOUSES ON ONE ACRE AND HALF ACRE LOTS. IT WAS A FOREST OF ROOFS. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, DOWN EAST BOB JONES ROAD. THERE WERE TREES, THERE WAS GRASS. THERE WERE ANIMALS. THERE WERE FEW HOUSES STICKING UP, NOT AN ENTIRE FOREST OF THEM. THE DIFFERENCE IN THE LOOK WAS AMAZING ONCE YOU REALIZED THAT WE STOOD POSSIBILITY OF LOSING THAT. ALSO I WANT TO MAKE NOTE OF THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE THAT THE DEVELOPER JUST MENTIONED, 2.5-$3 MILLION HOUSES. THE HOUSES THAT ARE THERE, THE TWO MAIN SUBDIVISIONS WERE DEVELOPED IN THE 1980S BEFORE SOUTHLAKE EVEN DEVELOPED OR ANNEXED THEM. HOUSES ON THEM ARE 4,000 SQUARE FEET. WE ARE LOOKING AT HOUSES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT UPWARDS OF 8,000 OR 9,000 SQUARE FEET AT THE PRICES THEY'RE QUOTING AT 450 BUCKS PER SQUARE FOOT. THAT WILL OVERWHELM A ONE ACRE LOT. A LOT IN A SUBDIVISION CAN BE CROWDED, EVEN IF IT IS ONE ACRE. [03:50:03] WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT OPPOSING THESE PEOPLE, BUT WE THINK THAT IT CAN BE REDRAWN DOWN TO NO MORE THAN FIVE HOUSES WITH A LITTLE BIT BETTER WORK AND SOME BETTER PLANNING, AND IT WOULD STILL BE A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE FOR THE DEVELOPER TO BE ABLE TO SELL THESE HOUSES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, WE HAVE SUSAN JOHNSON, 400 EAST BOB JONES ROAD, HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, WHICH IS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM 7E. >> WELL, HE ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR 41 YEARS. BUT WE PLAN TO REMAIN HERE UNTIL WE DIE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE. WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, IT WAS COVERED WITH TREES, HUGE VINES, DEAD TREE DEBRIS ALL OVER THE GROUND, AND YOU COULD NOT SEE THE LAKE AT ALL. THE ONLY SECTION OF THE LAKE THAT COULD BE SEEN AT THAT PART WAS COMING AROUND THE CORNER ON EAST BOB JONES ROAD. YOU COULDN'T FIND IT ANYWHERE. WE HAVE PUT IN A LOTS OF YEARS OF WORK PUTTING WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR YARD NOW. IT IS ALMOST OF THE SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES, ALMOST CLEARED UP, HAS LOTS OF TREES, BUT IT'S GOT THIS BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF THE LAKE, AND WE [INAUDIBLE] NEW OUT ABOUT 30 DIFFERENT 4TH OF JULY. PARDON ME. >> IT'S ALL RIGHT. >> BUT YOU CAN SEE THEM ALL THE WAY OVER EARTH TO THE EAST. BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IS LOOKING DOWN ON THE PROPERTY BELOW US IS BACKYARDS, ROOFS, TRASH, WHATEVER THAT GOES ON THROUGH THERE. >> THE BLOCKS OF VIEW WILL SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY, WHICH PROBABLY IS ONLY ABOUT THREE MILLION RIGHT NOW WITH OUR SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES. BUT MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE THOUGHT THAT WHEN WE DIE, MY FAMILY IS NO ONE. HE HAS NO FAMILY AROUND HERE. MINE'S IN ARIZONA CALL FLORIDA, WASHINGTON, AND NEW HAMPSHIRE. WE THOUGHT IF THE PROPERTY STAYED WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE THE COMPANY OR THE CARPET THAT WE MAKE GIVE THE CITY THIS PROPERTY FOR MAYBE A CITY PARK THAT WOULD BE HERE WOULD NOT BE ANY COST TO US. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE CLOSE TO THE NATURE CENTER JUST UP THE STREET. IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOU ALL, AND WE'LL INVITE ANYBODY UP FOR THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO COME SEE WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE OUT THERE. SEE WHAT IS REALLY OUT THERE BECAUSE WHAT THEY HAVE OUTLINED THAT IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT UP IS DANA DABBS AT 445 EAST BOB JONES ROAD HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. DOESN'T SAY WHICH ITEM NUMBER, BUT IT'S CASE NUMBER ZA 25-0014. THAT IS ITEM 7E. WELCOME. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT. >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE FIGURED IT OUT. >> THANK YOU. I FIGURED YOU COULD. THAT WAS A PRETTY PASSIONATE PLEA, I THINK FROM SUSAN. I THINK THAT JUST SHOWS YOU THE PASSION THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE. WE ARE 100% OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. WHEN YOU SAID THREE PEOPLE SUPPORTED IT I'M SURE YOU SAW THE MEETING NOTES AT THE PNC MEETING. THREE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED IT DO NOT LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE WAS A REAL ESTATE AGENT, ONE WAS A INVESTOR. I'M NOT SURE IF HE'S INVESTING IN THIS PROPERTY, AND ONE APPEARED TO BE A FRIEND OF THE DEVELOPER. I THINK THAT WAS A LITTLE MISLEADING. BUT THE MAIN THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS WE'VE TOUCHED ON THE 2035 PLAN. THERE'S ALSO A 2023 UPDATE, AND YOU GUYS CAN READ AS WELL AS I AM, [03:55:03] BUT IT'S BASICALLY SAYING KEEPING THE COMMUNITY FEEL. I COULD QUOTE IT TO YOU, BUT I'M SURE YOU CAN FIND IT ON YOUR OWN. BUT HOUSES RIGHT ACROSS, THEY ARE ABOUT 1.5 ACRE. THEY ARE ABOUT 4,000-5,000 SQUARE FEET. THEY WERE BUILT IN THE '90S OR '80S, AND THEY ARE A MID CITY MODERN, I WOULD CALL IT. THE LOOK AND FEEL IN NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, I THINK WOULD CHANGE DRASTICALLY. I THINK THE DEVELOPER DID A MISS SERVICE BECAUSE IF YOU KEPT GOING DOWN, THOSE ESTABLISHED INDIAN CREEK ESTATES AND THE OTHER ONE HE TALKED ABOUT, THEY ARE PUT IN, BUT THEY'RE QUITE LARGER THAN THIS DEVELOPMENT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, THEY WERE ESTABLISHED A LONG TIME AGO. IF YOU KEPT GOING DOWN BOB JONES, IN BETWEEN, I PUT NORTH OF BOB JONES PARK AND EAST OF WHITE CHAPEL, THERE ARE 15 PROPERTIES OVER FOUR ACRES. A LOT OF THOSE ARE HORSE FARMS. A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF, IS IT SAFE TO RIDE THEIR HORSES DOWN TO THE TRAILS ANYMORE ON BOB JONES? IF WE KEEP DOING THIS? IF WE SET THIS PRECEDENT OF DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THOSE OTHER 14? IS WHITE CHAPEL THAT YOU GUYS JUST RED FOR US? IT TOOK TWO YEARS OF THE BYPASS. THE BRIDGE IS STILL TWO LANES. IT'S A VERY NICE BRIDGE. IS OUR EGRESS GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT? THAT ROAD WAS JUST UPDATED, AND FOR US LIVING OUT THERE, THAT WAS QUITE THE DETOUR FOR TWO YEARS. BUT IT WAS WELL WORTH IT BECAUSE IT IMPROVED OUR LIVES. BECAUSE THAT ROAD WOULD FLOOD. I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS CONGRATULATIONS, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. I LOVE SOUTHLAKE, TOO. MOST OF US HAVE BEEN OVER HERE 30 YEARS. THE REASON WE CAME HERE WAS A RURAL FEEL. THE BEAUTY OF SOUTHLAKE. IT'S DRASTICALLY CHANGED. THE COMING DOWN WHITE CHAPEL, WE KNOW PROGRESS HAPPENS. THIS LITTLE PIECE IS PROTECTED. IT'S PROTECTED BY THE CORE PROPERTY. WE HAVE THE NATURE CENTER. THANK GOODNESS. WE HAVE BOB JONES PARK. I JUST THINK IT'S A GYM FOR THE CITY. I THINK IT'S A DRAWING POINT OF THE CITY, AND I HOPE YOU DON'T CHANGE IT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT COMMENT COMES FROM KATHY STOKEL AT 445 EAST BOB JONES ROAD, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO 7E. >> HI. GOOD EVENING. IT'S 11 OR 7. YIKES. MY NAME IS KATHY STOKEL. I LIVE AT 445 EAST BOB JONES, AND I AM DEFINITELY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. AS DANA HAD MENTIONED THERE ARE 15 PROPERTIES OUT THERE THAT ARE BIG PROPERTIES. THEY'RE AS BIG AS RAINEY COURT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE EVER APPROVED BEFORE. ANY ONE OF THOSE, AND IF THERE'S SEVEN OR EIGHT DRIVEWAYS AS YOU GO FROM THE EAST WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS EAST TO WHITE CHAPEL. EVERY ONE OF THOSE DRIVEWAYS COULD BECOME ONE OF THESE. HOW IS THAT SERVING THE PURPOSES OF TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE EQUESTRIAN ESTATES THAT YOU CLAIM YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN? I GUESS MY OTHER THOUGHT IS, WHY IS THIS NECESSARY? YOU'VE GOT TWO DEVELOPMENTS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT STILL HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY DEVELOPED. RAINEY COURT HAS HAD ZERO HOUSES BUILT ON IT, AND IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE GROWING WEEDS FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS. SADDLEBACK RIDGE HAS BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST 10, AND THERE'S STILL SIX OR SEVEN LOTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED THERE AS WELL. NOW YOU'VE GOT LYNMAR ESTATES THAT'S GOT 10 THERE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 75 GOING IN ACROSS FROM CARILLON. THAT'S 100 LOTS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY ARE GOING TO HAVE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO DEVELOP AND TO BUILD HOUSES ON. IN THE AREA NORTH OF BOB JONES PARK, THIS IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WAS INTERESTING, I WAS READING THE WALL STREET JOURNAL A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO. ONE OF THE HEADLINES OF THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, I'LL QUOTE IT. LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT. I HOPE I'LL BE ABLE TO SEE. WHERE IS IT? HOLD ON. "WEALTHY BUYERS ARE BACKING OUT OF MULTI MILLION DOLLAR HOME DEALS BECAUSE ECONOMY IS GETTING WEAKER." THERE'S A LOT OF CHAOS RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF TARIFFS AND ABOUT THE STOCK MARKET. MORTGAGE RATES ARE GOING UP. EVERYTHING IS GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE. FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THE RISK OF THIS IS A LOT GREATER THAN THE RETURN, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A RAINEY COURT SITTING ACROSS FROM OUR HOUSES, WHERE ALL IT IS IS A PILE OF WEEDS AND A STREET THAT NOBODY'S GOING TO USE. WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN APPROVE THIS, [04:00:02] BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S NOT REFLECTIVE OF 20-35, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT IS SAMUEL JONES AT 475 EAST BOB JONES ROAD HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO 7E. >> GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING. >> I'M SAMUEL D JONES, 475 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. I'M DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. OUR DRIVEWAY ONTO BOB JONES ROAD IS DIRECTLY FACING THE NEW STREET UNDER THE DEVELOPER'S PROPOSED CONFIGURATION, SO WE GET THE HEADLIGHTS. YOU'VE HEARD FROM MY NEIGHBORS ON NUMEROUS CONCERNS RELATIVE TO THE PROPOSAL, MAINTAINING CONSISTENCY WITH THE 2035 PLAN, CONSISTENCY WITH THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE PLUS ACRE LOTS BY ITSELF DOESN'T GET IT THERE. A TUCK IN POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T FIT HERE. PRECEDENT OF THIS DECISION AND THE POTENTIAL SLIPPERY SLOPE. DEVELOPMENTS OF THIS IN THE AREA WITH NUMEROUS UNSOLD LOTS. SAFETY OF BOB JONES AND CURRENT WALK AND TRAFFIC, EXTENDED CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY FOR MULTIPLE YEARS, INFRASTRUCTURE CONCERNS. AN ISSUE THAT IS MY GREATEST CONCERN, WHICH IS THE INTRUSION OF THE STREET AND ITS PROPOSED LOCATION RELATIVE TO MINE AND OTHERS PROPERTIES. WITH THAT SAID, WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOME CHANGE IS LESS IMPACTFUL AND CAN BE MADE CONSISTENTLY WITH THE 2035 PLAN AND THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND COMPROMISE MAY BE CALLED FOR HERE. A THREE HOME CONFIGURATION WITH NO STREET REQUIRED, 04, 5 HOME CONFIGURATION, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AND FACTORED INTO THE DECISION MAKING HERE, AND I DON'T THINK THE ADEQUATE TIME HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD RELATIVE TO THOSE ALTERNATIVES. WHILE NOT PREFERABLE, I SENT AN ADVANCED COMMUNICATION PROPOSING A CONFIGURATION WITH THE STREET ON THE EASTERN PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY WITH ONLY ONE LESS LOT THAN WHAT THE DEVELOPER HAS PROPOSED. WHILE YOU MIGHT THINK LOCATION OF THE NEW STREET, WHICH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO ME IS THE ONLY THING THE ALTERNATIVE ADDRESSES. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THE ALTERNATIVE, AMONG OTHER THINGS, PROVIDES A UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD CONFIGURATION RATHER THAN A TRADITIONAL TUCK IN POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SIMPLY JAMS IN AS MANY ONE ACRE LOTS AS POSSIBLE. IT'S LESS RESTRICTIVE TO NATURAL HABITAT AND WILDLIFE FROM THE CORE OF ENGINEER PROPERTY. IT ENHANCES FRONT VIEWS OF THE NEW RESIDENT HOMES, A MORE UNIQUE SETTING THAN THE TRADITIONAL CUL-DE-SAC SETUP. IT POTENTIALLY PROVIDES AN ADDITIONAL WALKING PATH FOR RESIDENTS TO ENJOY THE CORE PROPERTY. I'VE HEARD THAT ANY PROPOSAL WITH FEWER LOTS IS NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE, WITH MARKET PRICES IN THE CURRENT ECONOMY. I SHARE CONCERNS RELATIVE TO THE BROADER ECONOMY. FOR ANY ALTERNATIVE OTHER THAN THE SINGLE PROPOSAL WE HAVE SEEN TO BE DISMISSED OUT OF HAND, GIVES ME PAUSE. I'M A CFO BY TRADE. FOR ME, AND I WOULD THINK FOR OTHERS INVOLVED AND EVEN FOR THE DEVELOPER, IT CALLS INTO QUESTION THE VIABILITY OF THE PROJECT IN ANY FORM. IF THE ECONOMICS ARE SO TIGHT, THAT THAT IS THE PERSPECTIVE AND RESPONSE, EVEN WITH COST OPPORTUNITIES AND LARGER LOTS TO SELL TO HELP MITIGATE THE ONE FEWER LOT? I WORRY ABOUT SOMETHING EVER BEING EXECUTED TO COMPLETION. I ALSO WORRY ABOUT HOW MUCH REAL COST ANALYSIS AND STUDY HAS BEEN DONE. I WAS TOLD THE DEVELOPER, "THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T HAVE TOO MUCH COST SUNK INTO THIS PROJECT AT THIS POINT." FOR ME, THEN, I WOULD ASK, HAVE THE ENGINEERING STUDIES BEEN SUFFICIENT TO UNDERSTAND THE DEGREE OF COST OF THAT RETAINING WALL ON THE WEST PERIMETER. IS THE TOPOGRAPHY AND DRAINAGE STUDY, CURRENT AND ACCURATE, SEPTIC REQUIREMENTS, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPLICATIONS, SOIL AND STABILITY, AND ELEVATION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUAL HOME SITES? THESE ARE ALL CONCERNS. IF THE HEAD ROOM IS SUCH THAT EVEN ONE LESS LOT RENDERS THE PROJECT UNECONOMICAL. IS IT EVEN VIABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE? AGAIN, THIS IS A UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AREA IN SOUTHLAKE. A POCKET TUCK IN SUBDIVISION JUST DOESN'T FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. [04:05:03] IF POTENTIAL RESIDENTS ARE CLAMORING FOR HOME SITES OF THIS SORT, I SUBMIT THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SPOTS NOT TOO FAR AWAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR LISTENING TO US. >> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, WE HAVE MIKE LOVE AT 465 EAST BOB JONES ROAD, WHICH IS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 7E. >> I'M MIKE LOVE AT 465 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE EXISTING HOUSE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. SMITH. I LOVE SOUTHLAKE. I HAVE WANTED TO MOVE THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AFTER READING ARTICLES IN TEXAS MONTHLY D MAGAZINE AND 76092 THAT ALL STRESSED THE IMPORTANCE THAT SOUTHLAKE PUT ON THE URBAN FEEL AND LOOK OF NORTH SOUTHLAKE. I TARGETED IT. IT TOOK ME TWO YEARS TO FIND A HOUSE FOR SALE. SOMEONE WAS TRANSFERRED, AND I JUMPED AT IT, KNOWING THAT THE VIEW ACROSS STREET FROM IT WAS AGRICULTURAL. I WAS ASSURED THAT WHAT IT WOULD STAY BECAUSE OF THE 2023 PLAN AND THE 2025 PLAN, THAT ALL BRING OUT THE OBJECTIVES OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THAT PLACE AND THAT AREA AND THE URBAN FEEL AND LOOK. THIS PROPOSAL. I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO CHANGING IT FROM AGRICULTURAL. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE THAT'S THERE NOW, AND THEY FIT WITHIN WHAT NORTH SOUTHLAKE IS, THE HORSE COMMUNITY AND THE BIG OPEN SPACES. THE ENGINEERED WALL THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON THE WEST SIDE, ANYBODY COMING THROUGH THERE, GOING TO THE TRAILHEAD, OR COMING BACK AND LOOKING AT A LARGE RETAINING WALL THAT'S MANUFACTURED. DOESN'T FIT WITH THE NATURE AND THE NATURAL FLOW OF THE HOME. THE TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP THAT THE DEVELOPER SHOWED IS OLD, AND IT SHOWS, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THERE'S A MESA TO THE NORTHEAST OF WHERE THE HOUSE IS. THAT DIRT WAS VERY HIGH, SOMEONE AT ONE POINT HAD BUILT A LARGE MESA. AFTER THIS HAD BEEN A GRAVEL OR A SAND PIT WHERE THEY DUG OUT AND SOLD SAND FROM IT, WHICH DROPPED IT SO LOW. THAT MESA WAS MOVED OVER TO ELEVATE THE HOUSE THAT'S THERE NOW, WHICH WAS NICE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BRING IN MASSIVE LOADS OF TRUCKS OF TOPSOIL AND TO BRING UP AND SUSTAIN. THE OTHER HOUSES WILL HAVE TO BE RAISED, THAT WILL PUT A BURDEN ON EAST BOB JONES ROAD AND ALL OF THE CITIZENS THAT ARE THERE. THEY ARE SO PROUD TO BE THERE FOR THAT. YOU CAN SEE FROM WEST BOB JONES ROAD, THE SHAPE IT'S IN NOW BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BRIDGE ON WHITE CHAPEL. IT HAS TORN THAT ROAD UP. THAT'S WHAT OUR ROAD WILL BECOME AS A RESULT OF THAT MANY CRUX COMING IN AND OUT OF IT. I URGE YOU TO KEEP IT UNIQUE, KEEP IT SPECIAL, AND KEEP IT WHAT SOUTHLAKE IS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT IS LEE SIGN HORSE AT 225 SAM BASS RIDGE. WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 7E. >> YOU ALL CAN BOTH SPEAK. >> SHE'S GOING TO BE TOO SHY, SO I'M GOING TO READ HER NOTES. MY FAMILY MOVED TO THIS HOUSE, WE LIVE AT NIKKI AND LEE SIGN HORSE, 225 SAM BASS RIDGE ROAD. MY FAMILY MOVED TO THIS HOUSE SO THAT I COULD RIDE MY HORSES ON THE EQUESTRIAN TRAILS SAFELY. I RIDE MY HORSE DAILY, AND I WILL TELL YOU, IT'S ALREADY BARELY SAFE TRYING TO CROSS OVER BOB JONES TO GET TO THE TRAILS. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE MY OPPOSITION TO DEVELOPING THIS AREA TO ONE ACRE LOTS BECAUSE OF THE ADDED TRAFFIC AND ALSO THE PRECEDENT SETTING, LIKE EVERYONE'S TALKED ABOUT. IF YOU APPROVE THIS, THERE WILL BE MANY MORE AFTER THIS. PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW HOW TO DRIVE BY HORSES ON THE ROAD SLOWLY AND IF YOU WANT THIS AREA TO STAY RURAL AND EQUESTRIAN FRIENDLY, ADDING ONE ACRE ZONED LOTS DOES NOT WORK WITH THE HORSES AROUND. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR STAYING LATE WITH US. NEXT IS AMANDA HIGGINBOTHAM AT 435 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 7E. [04:10:06] >> HELLO. MY NAME IS AMANDA HIGGINBOTHAM. I LIVE AT 435 EAST BOB JONES ROAD. WELL, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE AND LISTENING AND HEARING US ALL OUT. I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WANTED TO SPEAK, SO I FELT IT ON MY HEART, SO HERE ARE MY NOTES. I'M HERE BECAUSE AS BEAUTIFULLY YOUNG AS MY NEIGHBORS ARE, I WANT TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NEXT CITIZENS OF SOUTHLAKE AND TELL YOU WHAT I LOOK FOR WHEN I THINK ABOUT LIVING IN THE CITY IN THE FUTURE. I GREW UP IN SOUTHLAKE. I DIDN'T FEEL APPROPRIATE TO APPROACH YOU BEFORE I SPOKE, BUT I ACTUALLY WAS A TEEN COURT ATTORNEY. I WAS SO BLESSED I RECEIVED THE TEEN COURT SCHOLARSHIP. I WAS THE SOUTHLAKE YOUTH OF THE YEAR IN 2018, AND I DID A HUGE HARVEST FESTIVAL JUST OUT THERE IN TOWN SQUARE THROUGH MY NONPROFIT. I LOVE SOUTHLAKE. MY CHILDHOOD IS SOUTHLAKE, BUT MY FUTURE IS ALSO HERE AS WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I'M FIGHTING FOR IT TODAY. YOU ALL SAID SOMETHING EARLIER ABOUT KEEPING SOUTHLAKE SOUTHLAKE. AT BOB JONES, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S SPECIAL. SELFISHLY, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME AWAY FROM THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE RIGHT DOWN DOWN THE ROAD. BUT SELFLESSLY, IT'S A SAFE SPACE FOR NATURE, FOR PEACE, FOR EQUESTRIANS, FOR RUNNERS, FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS. IT'S A QUALITY OVER QUANTITY USE OF THE REMAINING SOUTHLAKE LAND. ALL I'M ASKING AS THE FUTURE OWNER OF 435 IS TO CONSIDER WHAT THIS WOULD DO TO IMPACT THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT IT WOULD DO TO CHANGE THE CURRENT LANDSCAPE OF OUR WHOLESOME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S CLOSE, AND WE SHOW UP FOR EACH OTHER. THIS SEEMS TO BE PRIORITIZING OUTSIDE DEVELOPERS OF A DIFFERENT CITY OR REAL ESTATE'S PERSONAL GAIN OVER WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR CURRENT COMMUNITY. AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST GO AND YOU VISIT, AND YOU HIKE THE NATURE PRESERVE, IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE TRAILS, YOU'LL SEE HOW SPECIAL THIS IS. THOSE SEVEN LOTS DO NOT FIT IN WITH THE CURRENT DYNAMIC THAT WE WORKED SO HARD TO SUPPORT. ALSO, HOPEFULLY, IT'S IMPACTFUL THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US IS AGAINST THIS. UNLIKE THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION WHERE THERE WAS A COMPROMISE. THERE WAS NEGOTIATION, WE NEVER HAD ANY OF THAT. WE NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION OR DIALOGUE. ALSO, 37 OF US SIGNED A PETITION. MY POINT IS THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS. MY MOM HAS BEEN HERE FOR 30 YEARS. SHE EVEN TOOK THE CHANCE ON SOUTHLAKE BEFORE IT BECAME SOUTHLAKE. WE LOVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE SHOULD HAVE A SAY ON ITS FUTURE. PLEASE UNDERSTAND AND CONSIDER SENDING THIS BACK TO P&Z. AS THIS, LIKE PAPER JUST SAID, COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE AND TEAMWORK, WELL, LET'S START TODAY AND START GOING THROUGH THESE PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE OF SOUTHLAKE TOGETHER. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE CLAIRE JOHNSON AT 323 BUCKBOARD COURT, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 7E. >> HI. >> HI THERE. >> MY NAME IS CLAIRE JOHNSON, AND I LIVE AT 323 BUCKBOARD COURT. I'VE LIVED IN SOUTHLAKE FOR 18 YEARS. I'M THE SECRETARY FOR THE SOUTHLAKE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. I WANT TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE LAND SURROUNDING THE BOB JONES NATURE CENTER. YES, THERE ARE HOUSES AND NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THIS PART OF SOUTHLAKE CONTAINS SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AND HISTORICAL HISTORY OF SOUTHLAKE. I HAVE DONE SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL RESEARCH ALL AROUND OUR RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE FOUND THE ORIGINAL HOMESTEADS OF BOB AND ALMEADY JONES, AS WELL AS THEIR SURROUNDING FAMILY MEMBERS. MY RESEARCH HAS BEEN BACKED BY THE ARCHAEOLOGY DEPARTMENT OF U&T. THE FACT THAT WE CAN STILL CONNECT TO SOUTHLAKE'S HISTORY THROUGH THE LAND, IT REMAINS A HUGE TESTIMONY TO OUR RICH HISTORY AND HERITAGE. I DO NOT LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE LAND THAT THIS DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE TO BUILD ON, BUT THE MASSIVE CONSTRUCTION, TRAFFIC, AND ADDITION OF HUMANS WILL AFFECT OUR QUIET COUNTRY NEIGHBORHOOD. I UNDERSTAND THAT SOUTHLAKE WANTS THE FINANCIAL BENEFITS FROM THE PROGRESSIVE DEVELOPMENT TO FILL UP OUR LITTLE SLICE OF COUNTRY LIVING. THAT'S THE NATURE OF POLITICS AND PROGRESS. HOWEVER, I ASK THE COUNCIL TONIGHT TO CONSIDER PURCHASING THE PIECE OF LAND TO BE INCLUDED AS A PART OF THE BOB JONES NATURE CENTER, EMPHASIZING OUR SHARED VALUE OF THE HISTORY OF THE LAND AND IMPROVE THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. IT WOULD GIVE OUR RESIDENTS MORE FREEDOM TO EXPLORE OUR RICH HISTORY. THE WILD LIFE COULD REMAIN WILD INSTEAD OF BEING PUSHED OUT BY THE MENTALITY OF DEVELOPERS WHO THINK THAT IF THEY BUILD, THEN PEOPLE WILL COME. WHY CAN'T WE WIN THIS FIGHT? PROGRESSION IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN SOUTHLAKE. THERE ARE PLENTY OF NEW NEIGHBORHOODS TAKING UP MORE AND MORE SPACE. I WILL END WITH THIS. [04:15:01] ALMEADY JONES ON HER DEATHBED, TOLD HER DAUGHTER, YUGI JONES, TO NEVER LET THE LAND GO. IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT THE JONES FAMILY COULD COME BACK TO AND REMEMBER AND CHERISH. YUGI JONES FOUGHT FOR THIS LAND, AND SO ARE THE NEIGHBORS WHO LOVE IT, JUST LIKE SHE DID. WE DON'T WANT THIS ADDITION. WE WANT OUR RUSTIC COUNTRY TO REMAIN. PLEASE CONSIDER PURCHASING THIS LAND TO ADD TO OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY AND OUR RICH HISTORY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE DAN COMBE. THE ADDRESS IS NOT LISTED, BUT WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM 7E. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? >> YES. MY NAME IS DAN COMBE. I LIVE AT 339 WEST HIGHLAND STREET HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM RIDE WITH PRIDE. I HAVE NO PERSONAL VESTED INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY. IT'S ON A RARE OCCASION THAT I COME IN AND SPEAK TO COUNSEL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE SERVICE THAT YOU ALL DO. I TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE COMING UP ON THE AGENDA, AND IT'S WITH RARE OCCURRENCE THAT I TRY TO STEP UP BECAUSE YOU HAVE SUCH STRONG OPPOSITION TO SOMETHING THAT IS IT'S HARD TO STAND UP IN FAVOR FOR SOMETHING WHEN THERE'S SUCH STRONG OPPOSITION FOR SOMETHING. IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S THE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT REALLY SHOULD PREVAIL. YOU HAVE 8.4 ACRES OF LAND HERE THAT'S BEEN FOR SALE, AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVEN'T BOUGHT IT. THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT COULD HAVE COME INTO THIS TO ATTEMPT TO DIVIDE IT INTO SMALLER LOTS. YET THIS DEVELOPER WHO HAS DEVELOPED OVER 1,000 LOTS THROUGHOUT NORTHEAST TARRANT COUNTY, SUCCESSFUL THRIVING PROPERTIES IS COMING IN TO DEVELOP A LOT THAT THEY'RE MEETING 100% OF THE CRITERIA THAT YOU GUYS ASK FOR. THERE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS INVOLVED. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED AND DESIRE TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THE WILDLIFE, BUT THE DEER AND THE SQUIRRELS DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY. THE HUMANS OWN THE PROPERTY, AND IT'S OUR JOB TO MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY. THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB ON OTHER PROJECTS THROUGHOUT SOUTHLAKE AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THEY ARE MEN OF GOOD CHARACTER. THEY STAND BY THEIR WORD, AND IF THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, BY GOLLY, THEY DO IT. I DON'T HAVE MUCH ELSE TO SAY EXCEPT FOR, IT'LL BE OKAY. I SEE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE GONE IN WITH MUCH SMALLER LOTS, WITH MUCH GREATER DENSITY, AND THIS ONE IS NOT CHALLENGING ANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT TYPICALLY HAPPEN. THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES AND MEETING THE EXPECTATIONS SET BEFORE THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GET APPROVED. I BELIEVE IT WILL BE GOOD FOR SOUTHLAKE, AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, ULTIMATELY, AND THE VISIBILITY FROM BOB JONES WON'T BE MUCH, IF ANY DIFFERENT WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT CARD IS FROM MELISSA RICAMA AT 808 EAST BOB JONES ROAD, WHICH IS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM SEVEN E. I HOPE I GOT YOUR NAME RIGHT. >> YOU DIDN'T, BUT IT'S OKAY. >> I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> I DIDN'T EITHER WHEN I FOUND THE LIFE. >> IT'S LATE AT NIGHT AND THAT'LL BE MY EXCUSE. >> THANK YOU, GUYS FOR BEING HERE SO LATE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO AND WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY WE ARE, AND WHAT A GREAT CITY WE LIVE IN TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. LET'S TALK ABOUT ANOTHER PROPOSAL. I JUST SPOKE WITH JODIE BECAUSE I HAD A VISION WHEN I WAS STARING AT THIS PROPERTY, LOOKING AT IT, THERE'S THIS GORGEOUS STABLE THAT HAS BEEN BUILT. THAT STABLE IS ON PROPERTY 2 RIGHT NOW, THE LOT 2, AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN DOWN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THIS GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOMETHING SPECIAL, COULD THIS BECOME LIKE AN EQUESTRIAN NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU HAVE A SHARED STABLE, AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE THE GRAZING LAND, SO MAYBE YOU COULD MAKE THIS, I PROPOSE 2A. MAYBE WE CAN HAVE TWO ACRE LOTS HERE, AND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE YOUR HORSE THAT WOULD BE IN A GROUP SETTING RIGHT HERE, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE THE STABLE. I BELIEVE THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BRING IN THE REVENUE THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO SELL TO MAKE THIS UNIQUE. IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING HERE, YOU SEE WHERE THE HOUSES FACE, TRULY YOU COULD MAKE THREE HOUSES FACE EAST BOB JONES AND THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NATURE CENTER, PEOPLE WALK ALL THE WAY DOWN EAST BOB JONES TO GET TO THE WALNUT GROVE TRAILHEAD. IF WE ADD, LET'S JUST SAY, THREE DRIVERS, FOUR DRIVERS PER HOUSEHOLD, [04:20:01] WE'VE JUST INCREASED THE TRAFFIC, 18-24 CARS THAT CAN IMPACT, AND YOU KNOW THESE THREE HARD TURNS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ALL HAVE BEEN OUT THERE. THEY ARE COMPLETE BLIND TURNS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO. I DO THINK THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO MAKE THIS BETTER. I'M ALL ABOUT WORKING WITH JODIE. I KNOW THAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT WORKING WITH IT AND CHANGING THIS LOT. I PROPOSE THAT WE CHANGE THIS TO 2A. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S THE LAST OF THE COMMENT CARDS FOR PEOPLE WHO WISH TO SPEAK. I HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS FROM FOLKS WHO SAID THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT, OF COURSE, IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND AND DO YOU WANT TO, WAVE YOUR HAND AND COME ON DOWN. DREW AND SANDRA WILSON AT 120 SAM BASS RIDGE ROAD IN SOUTHLAKE DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORD OPPOSITION TO 7E. NIKKI SINHORSE AT 225 SAM BASS RIDGE ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 7E. MONTE HOCKLE AT 4425 HOMESTEAD DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 7E. MONTE SPARKS AT 4520 SODA RIDGE ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 7E. GALE SPARKS AT 4520 SODA RIDGE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 7E. JULIA LANDSBERG AT 305 EAST BOB JONES ROAD, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 7E. PETER LANDESBERG AT 385 EAST BOB JONES ROAD IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 7E. RICHARD ANDERSON AT 4553 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL HERE IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 7E. GLENDA WILLIAMS LOVE AT 465 EAST BOB JONES ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 7E. ANGELA HIGGINBOTHAM AT 435 EAST BOB JONES ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 7E. JEN SCHNEIDER AT 325 EAST BOB JONES ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO ITEM 7E. WHAT IS IT? SCHNEIDER. THANK YOU, AMY. TAMMY MOORE AT 325 EAST BOB JONES ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO ITEM 7E. ANNA JANSEN WEBBER AT 4323 HOMESTEAD DRIVE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 7E. RET HIGGINBOTHAM AT 435 EAST BOB JONES ROAD, HERE IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 7E. ANIVA STATON AT 445 EAST BOB JONES ROAD HERE IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO CASE NUMBER ZA 25-0014, WHICH IS ITEM 7E. JUDY JOHNSON AT 323 BUCKHEAD COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 7E. GABRIELLA MILLER AT 405 ORCHARD HILL DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS SUPPORT FOR ITEM 7E. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT A COMMENT CARD OR COME UP AND SPEAK? YES, SIR. COME ON DOWN. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. THANKS FOR STAYING LATE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I LOVE WHAT YOU SAID, KEEP SOUTHLAKE SOUTHLAKE. I THINK THAT RESONATES WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. A FEW WEEKS AGO, THERE'S A SPIN MEETING HERE, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD CAME OUT IN 100% OPPOSITION. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT SPOKE IN FAVOR OF THIS WERE THE DEVELOPERS AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. ALSO, I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE MAP UP HERE, THE MAP IS A LITTLE MISLEADING. IF IT WENT OVER JUST MAYBE A FEW MORE INCHES, YOU'D SEE A 16 ACRE PARCEL TO THE WEST, YOU'D SEE MY FIVE ACRE PARCEL, [04:25:01] THREE ACRE PARCELS, SIX ACRE PARCELS. THE MAP CONVENIENTLY JUST CUT OFF TO MAKE THE ONE AND 1/2 ACRE. I WOULD CAUSE CONCERN OVER THAT, BUT WHAT REALLY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS IN FEBRUARY OF '23, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE PUBLISHED 102 PAGE EXTENSIVE PLAN ON THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. I DON'T HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN, BUT PAGE 11, SAID, LOW DENSITY PROMOTES OPENNESS AND RURAL CHARACTERISTICS WITH NATURAL OPEN SPACE. THEN IF YOU FLIP OVER TO PAGE 21, IT'S THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THIS. THE CITY ENCOURAGED CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION DESIGN. IN BOLD LETTERS, DISCOURAGED CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISION DESIGN, WHICH IS EXACTLY IT ALMOST HAS A MAP THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THAT. THIS WHOLE PROJECT REALLY CONTRADICTS WHAT THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY AND EFFORT TO GET THE RURAL LOOK AND PROMOTE THIS. THIS JUST SQUEEZES IN, AND IT LOOKS LIKE MEDIUM DENSITY BEING REPRESENTED AS LOW DENSITY. I'D REALLY APPRECIATE ALL TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THIS, TABLE IT. MORE RESEARCH IS NEEDED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF I MISS IT, I APOLOGIZE. >> SORRY. IT'S DAVID THOMAS 44 29 SADDLE RIDGE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR SUBMIT A COMMENT CARD ON ITEM 7E? BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT FORMS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO BOTH MEETINGS. WE HAVE THOSE COMMENT CARDS. THEY'RE PART OF OUR RECORD HERE, AND WE'VE SEEN THOSE AND AMY WILL HOLD ON TO THOSE, BUT WE HAVE THEM. HAVE ALL THE EMAILS. I'VE READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE ALSO HAVE A PETITION THAT WAS SUBMITTED ALONG WITH SOMEBODY SUBMITTED THAT, I THINK BY AN EMAIL OR AN ONLINE SUBMITTAL. WE HAVE ALL THAT AS PART OF THE RECORD. GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE VERY LATE. SORRY THAT YOU WERE THE LAST ITEM, BUT COUNSEL, ANY DISCUSSION? ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ASK THE APPLICANT OR ASK DIRECTOR KILO, ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS? GO AHEAD. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS QUOTED SEEMS A LITTLE BIT TO CONTRADICT THE ONE ACRE PARCELS. CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT AT ALL? >> I CAN'T WITHOUT READING IT IN CONTEXT, AND I HAVEN'T READ IT IN CONTEXT. I DON'T KNOW IF MR. KILO IT'LL BE BETTER ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER AND PREPARED FOR SECOND READING, BUT AS WITH ANY DOCUMENT OF THAT NATURE, THE CONTEXT OF THOSE STATEMENTS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I HAVEN'T READ THE FULL DOCUMENT. >> THANK YOU. DIRECTOR KILO, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? >> WELL, I'D HAVE TO LOOK CLOSER AT THE SECTIONS SHE'S LOOKING AT AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO PAGES THAT HE REFERENCED. >> ALSO, ONE OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS, THEY COMMENTED ON THE PLAN ON PAGE 7 AS WELL. I'D BE CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THAT RELATES TO THIS PROJECT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILO OR THE CITY ATTORNEY? >> DIRECTOR KILO ALL THAT LAND THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED TO THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH, A LITTLE BIT TO THE SOUTHEAST. TO YOUR RECOLLECTION, WHAT WAS THAT ZONED HISTORICALLY BEFORE IT WAS DEVELOPED? >> IN TERMS OF LAND USE. THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY ONCE ANNEXED, YOU'RE TALKING HISTORICALLY? >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LOTS THAT ARE ALL DEVELOPED, THE ONE ACRE, 1.03, EVERYTHING. WHAT'S THE HISTORY ON THAT? WHAT WAS LAND USE? WHAT WAS IT ZONED PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT? >> THE 88, AND I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK EXACTLY WHEN IT WAS PLATTED. I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO ME, [04:30:02] BUT THE 1988 LAND USE PLAN WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY ANNEXED, THE NORTHERN PART OF BOB JONES ROAD THROUGH THIS SECTION WAS LOW DENSITY, AND THEN ACTUALLY THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF BOB JONES AND THAT 88 PLAN WAS MEDIUM DENSITY. IT WAS LATER CHANGED IN THE MID 90S TO LOW DENSITY AND A LAND USE AMENDMENT OR UPDATE AT THAT TIME. TIMING WISE, I JUST DON'T KNOW THE DATE OF THAT PLAN AND WHETHER THAT CAME IN AFTER THE AMENDMENT OF THE LAND USE PLAN THAT MADE THAT TO MEDIUM DENSITY VERSUS MEDIUM TO LOW DENSITY. MY GUESS IS IF IT WAS DEVELOPED PRIOR TO THAT NEXT PLAN, ONE PRIMARY REASON, THESE WERE ALL ONE ACRE IS DUE TO THE NEED FOR SEPTIC SYSTEM AND WHAT I THINK OUR ORDINANCE HAD MAY HAVE HAD IN PLACE. >> THANK YOU. >> NO SEWER BEING AVAILABLE IN THIS AREA. >> JUST FOR VERIFICATION, IS THIS MAP ACCURATE RIGHT HERE, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW? >> I THINK IT DOES APPEAR TO MATCH HER OWN RESEARCH. >> LET'S AGAIN, CONSIDER THIS A COURT ROOM. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE COMMENTARY FROM THE AUDIENCE. IF YOU WANT TO COME DOWN, I'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> WHAT'S LISTED THERE? BELIEVE IF IT'S NOT ACCURATE, IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO ACCURATE THEN. >> I THINK SO. I DON'T KNOW THE DATA THAT THEY PULLED FROM, WHETHER IT'S TARRANT APPRAISAL DISTRICT OR DENTON COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT IN THIS AREA AND UTILIZED WHAT THEY HAVE ON RECORD FOR THAT. >> I GUESS, FOR ME, WE'VE HEARD SO MUCH IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS ABOUT LIKE, WHAT BACKS UP? WHERE DO YOU GO TO? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? THAT'S LIKE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS TO ME, LITERALLY FITS EVERYTHING WE'VE ASKED FOR SOMEONE TO DO. IT'S LOW DENSITY. IT'S ONE ACRE, AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE EVEN REALLY ARGUING ABOUT ONE ACRE LOTS, AND I GUESS WE'RE NOT ARGUING YET, BUT EVEN DISCUSSING THE VALIDITY OF ONE ACRE LOTS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL AND TRYING TO TELL THEM WHICH WAY THEIR HOUSE NEEDS TO FACE IS JUST SO OVERREACHING TO ME BECAUSE IT LITERALLY MATCHES WHAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. IT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD LOVE TO KEEP LOOKING AT A PARK AND IT'S ONE THING TO ASK THE CITY TO BUY THAT LAND AND MAKE IT A PARK. BUT APPARENTLY, THAT LAND HAS BEEN FOR SALE, AND NO ONE WANTED TO PARK ENOUGH TO GO BY THEMSELVES. I HAVE A VERY HARD TIME TELLING A LANDOWNER, YOU'VE GOT TO BUILD FOUR HOUSES. YOU'VE GOT TO BUILD THREE HOUSES. WE'VE HAMMERED PEOPLE FOR QUARTER ACRE LOTS AND 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND ASKED FOR. WE'VE HAMMERED PEOPLE. WE VOTED AGAINST HALF ACRE LOTS. THESE ARE ACRE PLUS LOTS. IT MATCHES EVERYTHING AROUND IT. AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE JUST HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT'S WHAT LOW DENSITY IS. THAT'S WHAT IT'S MEETING THE LAND PLAN. IT'S MEETING THE ZONING. ARE THERE ANY VARIANCES BEING ASKED FOR ON THIS? IT'S BORDERLINE MINISTERIAL FROM OUR STANDPOINT, IN MY OPINION. >> I THINK WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS, SOME COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE, SO I'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WANTED TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK TO ONE OF THOSE ITEMS OR ISSUES. COME DOWN. AGAIN, IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, I THINK THE MICROPHONE TURNED OFF. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BACK ON. >> TAMMY MOORE, 325 IS BOB JONES ROAD. I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE NOT ACCURATE, BUT WHERE IT SAYS 3.8. I HAVE FIVE ACRES. JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE ANYTHING IS. IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE MAYBE THAT TURNED INTO SOMETHING LIKE WHAT SADDLEBACK WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A HORSE ADDITION. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A BARN FOR PEOPLE, AND THAT'S HOW THEY GOT THE NAME FOR IT. BUT WHEN THAT FELL THROUGH AND THEY WENT THROUGH AND PUT ALL THOSE HOUSES IN, THEY STILL HAVEN'T SOLD. THEY HAVE SO MANY LOTS AVAILABLE THAT IT'D BE NICE IF THEY HAVE TO DESTROY THIS PLACE TO AT LEAST PUT MAYBE TWO HOUSES, THREE HOUSES, BUT I KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE THE MOST MONEY. THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. THANKS. >> THANK YOU. YES, COME ON NOW. AGAIN, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE THREE MINUTES. >> GABRIELLA MILLER 405 ORCHARD HILL DRIVE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. I'M THE AGENT, SO I KNOW THAT WHAT I SAY IS SOMEWHAT TAINTED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT ONE THING OUT. [04:35:01] IN THE 2023 FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR 2035. ON PAGE 20, JUST BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY'S GOING TO BE READING SOME OF THE OTHER PAGES. THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT RURAL CONSERVATION, AND IT HIGHLIGHTS CERTAIN ACREAGE IN THIS AREA THAT IS CONSIDERED RURAL CONSERVATION. IT IS NOT 500 EAST BOB JONES. IT IS THE PIECES OF LAND THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE LARGER, ON THAT SOUTHWESTERN PART OF BOB JONES. THERE'S OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY THAT HAVE IT, BUT THIS SECTION IS NOT PART OF THAT RURAL CONSERVATION, WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT WIDE OR OPEN. I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT LITTLE BIT OF INPUT FOR THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR SUBMIT ANY COMMENTS? YES, COME ON DOWN. >> DO YOU NEED ME TO SAY MY NAME AGAIN? >> NO. YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN HERE. >> I JUST TAKE A LITTLE EXCEPTION ABOUT, WE COULD BUY THAT PROPERTY. WHEN THIS PROPERTY WENT TO FOR SELL, ABOUT, I THINK, THREE YEARS AGO, ACTUALLY, THERE WAS A REAL ESTATE SIGN THAT CAME OUT TWO DAYS. ONE OF OUR PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET, WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT BUYING THE PROPERTY. THAT'S HOW PASSIONATE WE ARE. WE CALLED THE NUMBER. IT WASN'T ME. IT WAS ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT, WE'VE ALREADY SOLD IT. NOTHING IS GOING TO BE NO OFFERS. HE SAID, WHAT ABOUT A CASH OFFER? NO, WE'VE ALREADY CLOSED STEAL. I TAKE A LITTLE FENCE THAT NOW WE CAN'T AFFORD NINE MILLION. I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY THE PROPERTY WAS WORTH THAT MUCH, BUT THEY OWN THE PROPERTY, THEY CAN ASK FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT. IT'S THEIR PROPERTY. I TAKE A LITTLE OFFENSE TO THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS TALK ABOUT THAT AND WE WERE SHUT DOWN. THAT WAS THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. OUR INTENT WAS TO OPEN IT UP TO JUST A NATURE PRESERVE. AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WHILE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN AGAIN? COME ON DOWN, SIR. >> I WOULD SIMPLY LIKE TO ASK AND STRESS AGAIN THE IMPORTANCE OF ALTERNATIVE CONSIDERATION. WE'VE SEEN ONE PLAN, ONE CONFIGURATION PUT FORTH WITH RESPECT TO THIS. IF YOU DRIVE OUT THERE AND YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE AREA, I THINK YOU'LL MAKE NOTE THAT THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY FIT. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT NOTHING SHOULD BE DONE WITH IT OR NOTHING CAN BE DONE. WE'RE NOT ASKING THAT. WE'RE ASKING FOR ASSESSMENT OF POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES. I'M VERY SERIOUS THAT IF THIS IS THE ONLY CONFIGURATION OF LOTS THAT MAKES THIS DEVELOPMENT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE. IT REALLY DOES AND SHOULD GIVE US PAUSE THAT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH HEAD ROOM IN THE PROJECT PLAN BECAUSE THERE ARE HIDDEN COSTS IN THAT PROPERTY AND IN THE ELEMENTS AND IN THE PROPOSAL, EVEN AS IT'S CONFIGURED HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN? >> HI, I'M SORRY. JUST ONE MORE QUICK THING. >> GO AHEAD. >> YOU'RE COMPLETELY RIGHT. IT IS PRIVATE LAND. IT IS, AND THAT'S WHY WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETHING WILL BE DEVELOPED, BUT WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO SYMPATHIZE WITH US A LITTLE BIT. THIS HAS BEEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR DECADES, AND WE DO. WE CARE WHAT GOES ON THIS PRIVATE PROPERTY. YOU'RE SO RIGHT, AND WE'RE NOT HERE TO DICTATE. WE LIVE IN AMERICA. IT'S A FREE COUNTRY, BUT WE ALSO WE CARE ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS, AND WE CARE ABOUT WHAT IS DONE WITH PROPERTY WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU GUYS ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S WITHIN THE GUIDELINES YOU'VE PUT FORTH, BUT COULD AND SHOULD ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. THAT'S WHY SOUTHLAKE HAS BEEN SO SPECIAL AND HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED LIKE FRISCO, FLOWER MOUND, PLANO, ETC. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO POINT FINGERS HERE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT OF COMPASSION. THANKS. >> THANK YOU. COME ON DOWN. >> I'M GLENDA LOVE. I LIVE AT 465 BOB JONES. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT SOMETIMES PROPERTY DOESN'T SELL BECAUSE IT IS NOT PRICED APPROPRIATELY, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE DECIDE TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY BY LOWERING THE PRICE. [04:40:06] THAT PROPERTY IS PRICED IN AN ASTRONOMICAL FASHION, MUCH MORE SO THAN OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND. THANKS. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH OR THE CITY ATTORNEY? MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, LET'S HAVE A MOTION. >> I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A COMMENT. >> GO AHEAD. >> BECAUSE I'VE LISTENED CLOSELY TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S COMMENTS AND RESPECT THOSE. I CAN EVEN SAY IF I LIVED THERE WITH YOU AND I WASN'T SITTING UP HERE, I'D BE OUT THERE WITH YOU FIGHTING. I'D BE FIGHTING BECAUSE IT'S BEAUTIFUL, IT'S GORGEOUS. WHO WOULD WANT THAT DEVELOPED? I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU GUYS ARE COMING FROM 100%. BUT THAT SAID, THAT'S NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY HERE IN THE SEA. IT'S NOT ANY OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES. THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT VIABILITY AND DOES THIS MAKE SENSE. IS THERE ROOM? IS THIS JUST GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT BEGINS TO BE DEVELOPED AND DOESN'T TAKE OFF? AGAIN, THAT'S NOT THE PURVIEW OF THE COUNCIL TO MAKE THE BUSINESS DECISIONS. OUR JOB IS TO ASSESS IS AN APPLICATION APPROPRIATE IN FITTING THE LAND USE PLAN AND FITTING THE NATURE OF THE AREA AROUND IT. YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT, I'M SURE, ON THIS CHART, THAT A 1.00, MAYBE A 1.02, 1.03, MAYBE A 1.01. I'M SURE THERE'S 100TH OF A POINT HERE AND THERE, BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS ACCURATE, GENERALLY SPEAKING. IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO DECIDE VIABILITY. THE LADY WHO SPOKE TO THE MAKE IT A 2A WITH A STABLE, I LOVE IT. THAT'S BRILLIANT. BUT IT'S NOT MY JOB TO NEGOTIATE WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO BE. THAT'S A CONVERSATION FOR YOU GUYS TO HAVE WITH JODIE OR THE LANDOWNERS. BUT ALL WE CAN REACT TO IS WHAT'S BROUGHT IN FRONT OF US AND WHERE IT SITS WITHIN OUR ORDINANCES AND OUR GUIDELINES. THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY, AND I DO SAY THIS WITH COMPLETE RESPECT, NOT EVERYONE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS OPPOSED WILL GO HOME TO A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT ONCE LOOKED JUST LIKE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND HAD DEER AND SQUIRRELS AND CATTLE RUNNING ON IT. YOU'RE GOING TO GO HOME TO A PIECE OF PROPERTY NOW THAT IS 1.03, 1.05, 1.44, 1.49, AND YET YOU DON'T WANT THIS LAND OWNER TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP IT THAT WAY AND HAVE OTHER PEOPLE COME HOME TO A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO YOUR SIZE. THAT'S WHERE I HAVE TO STEP BACK AND SAY, THAT'S NOT RIGHT FOR ME AS A COUNCIL MEMBER TO TRY TO DICTATE THAT. THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THIS. >> THAT'S WELL SAID. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S BEEN HERE. MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN AT THE P&Z MEETING. YOU'VE BEEN HERE LATE AT NIGHT WITH US. YOUR POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN ABOUT THE AREA AND HOW BEAUTIFUL IT IS. IF THE DEVELOPER WAS COMING IN WITH AN APPLICATION FOR LOTS UNDER AN ACRE, THAT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN DENIED AN HOUR AGO. IF THE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY HAD SOME OTHER FUTURE LAND USE THAT WAS NOT JUST THE LOW DENSITY WITH ONE ACRE LOTS. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME AREAS OF SOUTHLAKE THAT ARE, AND I THINK SOMEONE'S REFERRED TO THOSE IN EMAILS, ABOUT FIVE ACRE. WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL ESTATE FIVE ACRE, RESIDENTIAL ESTATE SEVEN ACRE. IF THAT'S WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE WAS FOR THIS AND THE DEVELOPER WASN'T MEETING THAT, WE'D PROBABLY BE DONE AND DENIED THIS AN HOUR AGO AS WELL. THOSE ARE THE RULES THAT WE'RE HANDED HERE ON THIS WITH A PLAN THAT'S COMPLIANT WITH THAT FUTURE LAND USE AND THE ONE ACRE LOTS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STUCK WITH, IF YOU WILL. THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT. I KNOW IT'S LATE AT NIGHT. I DON'T MEAN TO BELABOR IT, BUT WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL BEING HERE REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF OUR PROCESS TO HEAR FROM OUR RESIDENTS. IF THERE WAS A DIFFERENT PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH DIFFERENT ZONING OR DIFFERENT FUTURE LAND USE OR A DIFFERENT APPLICATION, THE OUTCOME MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I THINK IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. BUT I DO APPRECIATE AND I RESPECT Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE AND BEING PART OF THE PROCESS. [04:45:01] COUNCIL, ANYTHING ELSE? >> MAYOR, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE DEVELOPER, IF HE COULD COME BACK UP. JODIE, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR PRESENTATION. LOTS 1, 2, AND 7, I THINK, THE ONES FACING BOB JONES, IF THOSE WERE COMBINED INTO TWO LOTS AND YOUR STREET WAS MOVED TO THE WEST TO SPLIT EXACTLY BETWEEN THE 1.49 AND THE 1.35, THAT GETS RID OF THE HEADLIGHT ISSUE AND SO FORTH. YES, IT DROPS YOU A LOT. I GET IT. THOSE LOTS NOW BECOME ONE AND THREE QUARTER ACRE LOTS, TWO LOTS, AND THEY MATCH VERY NICELY TO THE LOTS TO THE SOUTH. IS THERE A PATHWAY TO GET THERE? >> UNFORTUNATELY, NO, SIR. THERE'S NOT. >> WHY? >> IT COMES DOWN TO SEVERAL THINGS. THE VIABILITY OF THIS PROPERTY, IT IS HIGHLY PRICED. THAT'S TRUE. WHEN WE COMPLY WITH THE FUTURE PLAN WITH SEVEN LOTS, WE'RE AT 0.8 DENSITY PER ACRE, WE FEEL LIKE THAT COMPLIES. WE FELT LIKE AFTER MUCH STUDY AND DELIBERATION THAT THIS WAS THE BEST PATH FORWARD. NOW, I DO WANT TO COMMENT. WE PULLED ALL OF THESE LOT SIZES FROM THE DENTON CAD WEBSITE. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S MISLABELED HERE, THEN IT'S MISLABELED ON DENTON CAD. MAYBE THE CITY OR THE COUNTY OF DENTON WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT IT'S A FIVE ACRE LOT NOT A 3.8 ACRE LOT, BUT WE DID OUR BEST TO ACCURATELY DEPICT ALL THE LOTS BASED ON THE CAD. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. >> ISN'T THERE A HOUSE ON LOT 1 THAT'S STAYING? THE OWNER IS STAYING THERE. >> NO. WE'RE PURCHASING ALL OF IT, BUT THE HOUSE IS GOING TO STAY AND WE'LL SELL THE HOUSE AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION. >> THAT TAKES THAT SCENARIO OUT, ANYWAY. >> I'M SORRY. I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION. THAT HOUSE STAYS, LOT 1. IT'S AN AWESOME HOUSE. IT WAS BUILT IN 2021. >> YOU SHOW THE PICTURES OF IT. >> THAT WOULD MAKE IT EVEN MORE PROBLEMATIC TO GET THIS DEAL. >> I UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE LIGHTS OUT OF 135. >> NO. THAT WAS A NICE LITTLE ADDED THING. WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, IF THAT HOUSE WEREN'T THERE AND THERE WERE A PATH TO HAVE TWO LOTS FACING BOB JONES, TWO VERY LARGE LOTS, GREATER THAN 1.5 ACRES. OBVIOUSLY, THAT MAKES THAT EVEN MUCH MORE PALATABLE TO THE COMMUNITY UP THERE BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE ACRE AND A HALF LOTS. >> I'M SORRY. I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION. I WILL SAY, WE REACHED OUT TO MR. JONES AND OFFERED TO PLANT SOME EVERGREEN SHRUBS THERE ALONG THE FRONT OF HIS PROPERTY. WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT AND EXTEND IRRIGATION OF THOSE TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC LIGHTS. I WILL SAY, FOLKS COMING OFF OF THE BROOKS COURT AND COMING DOWN HOMESTEAD, THEIR LIGHTS SHINE IN THE BACK OF THAT LOT ALL THE TIME AND THEY SEEM TO SURVIVE THAT. WE ARE WILLING TO MITIGATE THE HEAD LIGHT ISSUE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT WITH EVERGREEN SHRUBS IF THE LAND OWNER CHOSE TO TAKE US UP ON THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T PUT 2, 01, AND 7 ALL TOGETHER AND PUSH THAT ROAD OVER. >> NO. IT MAKES IT PROBLEMATIC FROM THE BACK SIDE. >> THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED. >> BECAUSE YOU GOT A WALKING CURVE THERE. IT WOULDN'T MATCH. >> THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED. SEVEN'S GOING TO WANT TO BACK UP TO CORE, I'M SURE. >> ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. >> THANK YOU. >> THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF ITEMS JUST TO DISCUSS WITH COUNCIL WITH THE MATTER OF P&Z. >> I JUST HAVE ONE. BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT READING, I WOULD LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'D BE DIRECTOR KILLOUGH OR OUR ATTORNEY, TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE LAND PLAN AND WHAT WAS SAID IN THAT BECAUSE I WANT SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT DURING SECOND READING, PLEASE. >> CAN THAT GO AS A DIRECTION TO STAFF, BUT NOT PART OF A MOTION? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A PART OF THE APPROVAL. >> YES. IT'S PART OF HOW I WILL CONSIDER VOTING NEXT TIME, HAVING THAT INFORMATION. >> THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID KEEP IT OUT OF THE MOTION, BUT DIRECT STAFF TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATION BEFORE. >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT COMES FROM, OR BOTH OF YOU, WHATEVER. THANK YOU. >> UNDERSTOOD. >> I HAVE NOTES OF THE PASSAGES THAT WERE NOTED IN THEIR COMMENTS, IF YOU NEED THOSE. >> WE'LL HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION ON SECOND READING, SLIDE OR SLIDES OR COMMENTS FROM BOTH DIRECTOR KILLOUGH AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY ON WHATEVER SECTIONS OR PAGES WERE REFERENCE JUST TO EXPLAIN THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FOR SECOND READING, BUT NOT PART OF THE MOTION. >> COMING OUT OF P&Z, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL IN ALIGNMENT, THE APPLICANT IS IN ALIGNMENT. THE APPLICANT DID AGREE TO MAINTAIN THE SAME FENCING AROUND THE PERIMETER THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS. [04:50:06] LET'S MAKE A DECISION TO COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS ISSUE AROUND THE DIRECTION OF THE HOME ON LOT 7. DO WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO DICTATE THAT, OR ARE WE COMFORTABLE ALLOWING THAT TO BE A DECISION BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE BUYER OF THAT HOME ON LOT 7? >> I'M PERFECTLY FINE. I AGREE. IF THE SETBACK WORKS, THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF INDIGESTION DECIDING THAT BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, WHO WOULD WANT THEIR HOUSE FACING THAT WAY WHEN YOU BACK UP TO THE CORE? THAT'S WHY YOU WOULD SPEND $4 MILLION FOR A HOUSE, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE CORE. >> WELL, I THINK IT ACTUALLY FRAMES THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE BIT BETTER BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE HOMES ON THE EAST SIDE OF WHATEVER THAT CUL-DE-SAC IS GOING TO BE NAMED FACING THE ROAD, FACING THE CUL-DE-SAC. I'M COMFORTABLE TAKING THAT OUT IF THE REST OF COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. >> I'M FINE WITH THAT. >> WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE WATER PRESSURE. THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. APPLICANT AGREES TO 5-6 INCH CALIPER OR LARGER TREES ON EACH LOT. CONSTRUCTION HOURS LIMITED TO 7:00 AM- 5:00 PM. THAT'S PER THE CITY ORDINANCE. THERE WAS SOME QUESTION AROUND THE STREET LIGHTING AND THAT BEING ADDRESSED AT COUNCIL. WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? MICROPHONE. >> I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE OUT THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE ARE LIGHTS OR AREN'T LIGHTS. >> DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, ARE THERE ANY LIGHTS? >> I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S LIGHTS ON BOB JONES. THERE ARE SOME LIGHTS INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMING IN OFF THE CUL-DE-SAC TO THE SOUTH OF THIS CORNER. THEY'RE ORNAMENTAL GLOBE LIGHTS. >> LET'S PUT THAT ON THE HOMEWORK LIST FOR SECOND READING TO DO A STUDY OF GENERALLY THIS AREA THAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER STREET LIGHTS OR INTERSECTIONS. >> WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE SOME VISIBILITY. >> WE'LL HAVE STAFF AS WELL TAKE A LOOK. LET'S JUST SEE WHAT LIGHTING, IF ANY, IS IN THAT AREA THAT'S DEPICTED HERE ON THE SCREEN. >> RANDY, I JUST HAD A QUESTION. IN THE DOCUMENT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SAYING BETWEEN 5-6 INCH CALIPER TREES. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT MEANS AT LEAST FIVE TREES OF SIX CALIPER. >> FIVE TREES OF AT LEAST SIX INCHES. >> QUANTITY OF FIVE. GOOD CATCH. LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SIDEWALK. THAT'S A REQUIREMENT BY ORDINANCE, BUT THE ASK WAS THAT IT BE ESCROWED. BUT I'LL SAY THE SAME THING I'VE SAID ON MANY CASES LIKE THIS IS, DO WE EVER SEE A SCENARIO WHERE SIDEWALKS WILL GO IN THERE? IF WE DON'T, I'M COMFORTABLE NOT ASKING TO HOLD MONEY FOR PERPETUITY FOR SIDEWALKS. >> I'M AGAINST THAT. >> I PROBABLY WANT TO SEE SADDLEBACK RIDGE. I KNOW IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WHITE CHAPEL. WHAT DID WE DO OVER THERE? THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST RECENT NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG BOB JONES. AGAIN, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE. >> HOW ABOUT WE DIRECT STAFF TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON SIDEWALK STATUS AND ESCROWS IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT SO WE CAN CONSIDER THAT AT SECOND READING? THEN THE LAST THING COMING OUT OF P&Z WAS THE APPLICANT IS AGREEING TO ADDRESS THE DRIVEWAY DEPTH ON EAST BOB JONES DRIVEWAYS. WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. MAYBE WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AT SECOND READING WITH SOME CLARITY SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS. I THINK I'M READY. >> WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION WHEN YOU ARE. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 70, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-831 ZA25-0014, FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 500 EAST BOB JONES ROAD ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 1, WILLIAM PHILLIPS, NUMBER 1017 ADDITION, IN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 28TH, 2025, AND THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 1, DATED MARCH 7TH, 2025. NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR SEVEN RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON APPROXIMATELY 8.38 ACRES, CHANGING THE ZONING FROM AG, AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, TO SF-1A, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AS PRESENTED TONIGHT, NOTING THE FOLLOWING. THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED THAT THE FENCING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS. THE APPLICANT AGREES TO INSTALL A QUANTITY OF MINIMUM FIVE, SIX INCH CALIPER OR LARGER TREES ON EACH LOT. [04:55:03] CONSTRUCTION HOURS FOR THIS PROJECT WILL BE LIMITED TO 7:00 AM-5:00 PM PER CITY ORDINANCE. LET'S SEE. THAT THE APPLICANT AND STAFF WILL WORK TOGETHER TO PROVIDE A MORE DETAILED STREET LIGHTING PLAN AT SECOND READING CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL AREA OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. ALSO THAT STAFF WILL PROVIDE COUNCIL GREATER DETAIL WITH REGARDS TO SIDEWALKS IN THE GENERAL AREA AND CURRENT ESCROWING FOR SIDEWALKS IN THE GENERAL AREA SO COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER THAT AT SECOND READING. THE APPLICANT IS AGREEING TO ADDRESS DRIVEWAY DEPTH ON EAST BOB JONES ROAD DRIVEWAYS. ALSO NOTING FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT WE WILL BE ELIMINATING THE REQUIREMENT THAT LOT 7 HOUSE FACES EAST BOB JONES ROAD, RATHER THAT WILL BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE DEVELOPER AND BUYER, BUILDER. NOTING THAT THE QUESTION OF WATER PRESSURE THAT CAME OUT OF THE P&Z MEETING HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BY STAFF. I THINK WE'RE THERE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, GOT WHAT DO YOU NEED OUT OF THE MOTION? >> VERY GOOD MOTION. >> IT WAS A GOOD MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> CAST YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. >> THAT MOTION CARRIES 6-0. THAT'S A FIRST READING. WE WILL SEE THAT AGAIN ON SECOND READING ON THIS ITEM AT OUR NEXT MEETING IN MAY. THAT'S OUR LAST ITEM TONIGHT. MEETING ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.