[1. Call to Order.]
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ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. IT'S 6:38 P.M.
HERE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CITY HALL CHAMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TO OUR MEETING THIS EVENING. CAPACITY CROWD THIS EVENING.
WE'LL GO THROUGH OUR AGENDA IN ORDER THIS EVENING. AND, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE CROWD OUT HERE, I THINK WE'LL KIND OF ABBREVIATE MY USUAL COMMENTS. I THINK MOST OF YOU KIND OF KNOW THIS MEETING WORKS. WE'LL HAVE STAFF PRESENTATIONS, AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION, IF THAT, MAYBE JUST Q&A FOR THE APPLICANT AND PUBLIC HEARING ON MOST ITEMS AND DELIBERATE AND COME TO A RECOMMENDATION FOR CITY COUNCIL.
SO WITH THAT, I GUESS I'LL ASK IF THERE'S ANY STAFF COMMENTS FOR THIS EVENING.
NO COMMENTS THIS EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALL RIGHT.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING TOLERANT OF US GETTING OUT HERE JUST A HAIR LATE OUT OF OUR WORK SESSION, BUT WE'LL TRY TO MOVE EXPEDITIOUSLY FROM HERE.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THOSE MINUTES BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? ALL RIGHT.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. LET'S VOTE PLEASE. AND PASSES LOOKS LIKE 6 TO 0 WITH ONE PERSON ABSTAINING. ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA.
OUR CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR BRUMLOW EAST.
THAT ITEM'S ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S LARGELY CONSISTENT WITH PRIOR APPROVALS PER STAFF.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA.
HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE.
AND SEVEN ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS. NOW WE JUST LOST ONE MEMBER OF OUR GALLERY.
[7. Consider: Resolution No. 25-020, ZA25-0021, Specific Use Permit for Electric Vehicle Charging Spaces, on property described as Lot 1, Block 1, Park Village, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, and located at 1035 E. Southlake Blvd. Current Zoning: “S-P-1” Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #9. PUBLIC HEARING]
WHICH IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING SPACES.THIS IS THE PARK VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS AT 1035 EAST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.
THIS IS THE CURRENT ZONING MAP. SITE PLAN ZONING? THE LAND USE IS RETAIL, COMMERCIAL. AND HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.
THESE ARE THE DETAILS OF WHERE THEY'RE PLANNING TO PUT THE EV CHARGING SPACES.
YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THIS CORNER HERE AT THE CORNER OF CARROLL AND ZINA RUCKER.
THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT THE EV CHARGING SPACES.
THEY ARE REMOVING A SPACE BY PUTTING THESE IN, BUT THEY ARE ADDING A SPACE UP HERE ON THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY SO THAT THERE IS NO LOSS IN OVERALL PARKING TO THE SITE. HERE'S JUST KIND OF AN ENLARGED DETAIL OF WHAT THESE SPACES ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SOME RENDERINGS OF WHAT THEY'LL LOOK LIKE.
HERE'S ANOTHER RENDERING FROM THE PARKING LOT. AND THIS WOULD BE THE VIEW FROM CARROLL.
AND THIS IS JUST THE CURRENT STREET VIEW SHOWING WHERE THE EV CHARGING SPACES WOULD BE LOCATED.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE A QUESTION. ARE THESE SPACES NOT COUNTED TOWARDS THEIR OFFSITE REQUIRED PARKING? THEY DO COUNT TOWARD THE PARKING, BUT THEY'RE NOT.
THERE'S NO NET LOSS IN PARKING, SO IT COMES OUT THE SAME.
YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHERE'S THE OTHER OFFICE? THE OTHER PARKING SPACE GOING TO BE? I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE.
THERE IS. YEAH. THERE'S ONE SPACE THAT HASN'T BEEN STRIPED.
WHERE DID I HAVE THAT EXHIBIT? SORRY. DID I MISS IT? DID I GO PAST IT? SORRY. OKAY. RIGHT IN HERE.
THERE'S A SPACE THAT HASN'T BEEN STRIPED, SO THEY'RE JUST GOING TO STRIPE THAT.
SO IT'S ADDING A SPACE IN THERE. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S CONGESTED RIGHT OVER THERE.
SO I WAS TRYING TO IMAGINE WHERE THERE WAS SPACE TO ADD ANOTHER PARKING SPACE.
YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE? DO YOU MIND COMING FORWARD? JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY KEEP IT TO Q&A, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, BUT FEEL FREE TO HAVE ANY OPENING COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE? YEAH. MY NAME IS BRIAN POWERS. MY COMPANY THAT I'M WITH IS BLACK AND VEATCH.
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MY OFFICE IS LOCATED AT 45 EISENHOWER DRIVE IN PARAMUS, NEW JERSEY.SO ELECTRIFY AMERICA, IT WOULD BE A TENANT AT THIS PROPERTY.
AND ARE THERE CHARGES TO UTILIZE THE CHARGERS? YES. OKAY. JUST LIKE IF YOU FILL YOUR CAR UP AT THE GAS PUMP, YOU NEED TO PAY.
IF YOU FILL YOUR CAR UP AT THESE ELECTRIC VEHICLE STATIONS, THERE'S A CREDIT CARD AND.
OKAY. OKAY. SO THIS IS NOT A BENEVOLENT ESG PROGRAM HERE.
THIS IS PURE CAPITALISM OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YES.
IT CAME ABOUT. I BELIEVE THIS ONE IS STILL UNDER THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP SET UP.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD PUT IN PLACE A FEW YEARS BACK.
OKAY. OKAY. AND IS THIS JUST AS CURIOSITY IS SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT OWN AN ELECTRIC CAR, I GUESS.
ARE THESE COMPATIBLE WITH ALL ELECTRIC VEHICLES OR JUST CERTAIN ONES? NOT TESLAS, INCLUDING TESLAS, OR HOW DOES THAT? I'M GOING TO SAY YES, BUT. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT THEY ARE COMPATIBLE.
MANY ELECTRIC VEHICLES HAVE THEIR OWN PROPRIETARY PLUG TO PLUG INTO THE CAR FOR CHARGING, BUT THEN THEY HAVE ADAPTER UNITS THAT WOULD FIT WITH THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT CHARGING CONNECTIONS FOR THE DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT SUPPLY THESE.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? JUST ME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU. AND JUST I THINK IT WAS YOUR QUESTION OF WHERE THE PARKING.
WHEN I WAS OVER THERE TODAY, I TOOK A PICTURE SO I CAN GET IT UP HERE.
IT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF ANGLE AND VOLKERS, WHICH IS IN THAT NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT ON THE CORNER ARE THERE ANY. WELL, THERE I GUESS THERE THE ROAD TURNS A LITTLE BIT AND WHERE IT STRAIGHTENS OUT, THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE AND THAT CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S AN OPEN AREA NEXT TO WHERE THE LAST PARKING SPACE IS.
SO THE PLAN IS TO RESTRIPE AND ADD A BOLLARD IN FRONT.
SO IT WOULD MATCH THE EXISTING PARKING SPACES.
WELL, SOME OF THE PARKING WELL. IS THIS DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW IS THIS STILL OWNED BY SHOP CORE? NO, ACTUALLY IT SOLD, DIDN'T IT? I THINK IT SOLD.
SOLD RECENTLY. THAT MUST BE WHY YOU'RE HERE. I THINK IT MAY HAVE SOLD.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU THE WRONG ANSWER, BUT I KNOW THERE WAS TALKS ABOUT A TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP.
YEAH, I BELIEVE IT'S OCCURRED, BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT DEFINITIVELY.
OKAY. I'M JUST CURIOUS. I WISH THEY COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PARKING LOT.
I KNOW THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT THINGS ON THE RECORD.
I JUST SAW IT FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY, AND I DIDN'T ENCOUNTER THOSE, SO MAYBE I WAS JUST LUCKY.
OH, IT'S A DRAINAGE ISSUE SINCE DAY ONE. SO BUT OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.
WE NEED YOU. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK. THANK YOU. DAN I HAVE, CAN I ASK THE STAFF A QUESTION AGAIN? ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS JUST ME THINKING, BUT IS THERE NOW THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THIS BEING, LIKE, GROUND LEASED OR WHATEVER IS THERE. HAS THE CITY ANY KIND OF LIMITATIONS? IF THERE WAS A SMALLER SITE AND YOU KNOW, THE OWNER FOR SOME REASON WANTED TO CONVERT A LOT OF THEIR PARKING TO THESE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GET THAT GROUND LEASING AND THEN NOT ALLOW ENOUGH PARKING FOR TYPICAL CARS.
IS THERE ANY DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THE PERCENTAGE THAT CAN BE CONVERTED TO THESE? YES, IT'S 10% ISN'T IT? YEAH I GUESS DO WE HAVE DISCRETION IN TERMS OF JUST.
CORRECT. YEAH. YOUR DISCRETION ALSO IS APPROVAL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT ITSELF.
BUT JENNY'S LOOKING HERE QUICKLY JUST TO SEE IN THE SUP SECTION IF THERE'S A LIMITATION WITH THAT.
WHY DON'T YOU COME UP AND COMMENT ON. GO AHEAD. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. COMMENT ON THE MIC. THAT WAY WE GET IT ON THE RECORD. SO. SO WE ORIGINALLY APPROACHED SOUTHLAKE FROM A PERMITTING AND ZONING STANDPOINT AS TO WHAT THE RULES WERE IN TOWN TO FIND OUT WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO.
WE SPOKE WITH PLANNING. I THINK AT THAT TIME IT WAS MORGAN.
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MORGAN BARKLEY. IS THAT OKAY? OKAY. AND SHE SAID THERE WERE SOME SPECIFICS FOR THE PROPERTY.SHE DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE AND HAD TO INVESTIGATE THAT.
WE OFFERED TO FILE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. SHE SAID NO, WE SHE HAD TO DO THAT ANYWAY.
SHE ASKED US TO FILE, WHICH WE DID IN THE FALL.
SHE GOT THAT INFORMATION AND SAID THE PARKING WAS RESTRICTED AND THAT WE COULD NOT REDUCE IT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. WE HAD TO REDUCE IT BY ONE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ADA COMPLIANT SPACE FOR THE CHARGING UNITS TO MAKE SENSE.
SO WE THEN WORKED WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO FIND A SUITABLE LOCATION.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS WAS, WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL TO.
I CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE BEEN BENEFICIAL SPACE WISE, BUT TO THE OVERALL PARKING PLAN, IF WE CONVERTED A SERIES OF SPACES FROM STANDARD SPACES TO COMPACT CAR SPACES. THAT WAS I THINK IT WAS A GRAY AREA THAT WE NEVER GOT A SPECIFIC ANSWER, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
AND WE WORKED WITH SEVERAL LOCATIONS WITH THEM TO FIND A SUITABLE SPACE.
SO I WOULD ASSUME IF WE HAD TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE STRICT RULES AND REGS THAT YOU HAD ON THE PROPERTY AND PARKING THERE, ANY FUTURE USE WOULD AS WELL. JUST FROM A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT, HOW WE GOT HERE.
AND MAYBE WHILE WE'VE GOT YOU UP HERE REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK STAFF AS WELL.
I GUESS THIS BEING AN SUP, I GUESS. WHAT KIND OF TIMING DO WE TYPICALLY PUT ON A REQUEST LIKE THIS? YEAH. AND WE HAVE NOT WHERE WE'VE APPROVED THESE IN THE PAST, WE HAVE NOT LIMITED THEIR.
ONE OTHER THING YOU WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER IF IT IS TIED TO A LEASE, SOME PROVISION THAT YOU KNOW REQUIRES REMOVAL AND RESTORATION OF THE SPACE TO ITS PREVIOUS CONDITION OR SOMETHING.
AND THAT EFFECT, OF THE LEASE THAT WILL BE, I GUESS, DISCLOSED AHEAD OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING OR ELSE CITY COUNCIL.
YEAH. SO PRIMARY PLUS OPTIONS. I MEAN, WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT, BUT WE JUST NEED THE INFO, SO. YEAH. YEAH. I WILL PUT IN A REQUEST TO ELECTRIFY AMERICA TO HAVE THAT LINED OUT FOR YOU.
SO WE CAN TIE IT TO THAT. COMMISSIONER PHALEN, DID YOU GET WHAT YOU NEEDED? AND JENNY DID IDENTIFY IT'S 10% OF THE OF THE REQUIRED PARKING.
AND THE IMPACT OF REDUCING ANY PARKING SPACES ON THIS SITE.
AND SO IT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED A ZONING CHANGE AND A NEW PARKING STUDY TO BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY.
HAD THEY ENDED UP WITH A NET REDUCTION IN REQUIRED PARKING AND THE SPACE THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO SPACES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, I THINK BY EITHER YOUR TEAM OR DEFERRED TO US, THAT THERE'S FUNCTIONALLY A PHYSICAL FULL NINE BY 18 WIDTH SPACE THAT IS JUST NOT STRIPED IN TWO LOCATIONS AND WHERE THE BOLLARDS ARE ALREADY SET UP IT. WE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY HADN'T ALREADY STRIPED THOSE SPACES, BUT THEY WERE NOT COUNTED IN THEIR OVERALL TOTAL.
AND SO THEY'RE BOTH IN THAT NORTH DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND WHERE? WHERE I BELIEVE CHRISTINA'S IS OR NOT CHRISTINA'S.
GLORIA'S. GLORIA'S. THERE'S A SPACE THERE THAT IS JUST NOT STRIPED.
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AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO STRIPE THAT SPACE. OKAY.ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY GOOD? EVERYBODY. I THINK I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
IF YOU WANT TO, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE NEED YOU.
OKAY. WITH THAT, I WAS GETTING TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYBODY LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. AND SEEING NO ONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE WE ALL KIND OF BEEN OVER THERE BEFORE, AND IT CAN GET REALLY CROWDED IN CERTAIN SPOTS.
SO I ALSO LIKE THE NET GAIN OVER. I LITERALLY ATE LUNCH AT TAVERNA TODAY RIGHT THERE, AND SO ADDING A SPACE OVER THERE IS A PROBABLY A NET GAIN TO HAVE OPTIONS HELPS FIX THE DESIGN A LITTLE BIT FROM THE THREE OF US ON HERE WHO VOTED FOR THIS THE FIRST TIME. SO. OH WELL, EVERY TIME I GO IN THERE, I ALWAYS WONDER WHO ALLOWED THAT WHOLE SITE PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS KIND OF OPERATION WORKS, BUT I IMAGINE IT MIGHT BE MORE OF A GROUND LEASE KIND OF NATURE, WHICH WOULD BE A VERY LONG TERM LEASE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY TIE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT COULD BE 20 PLUS YEARS.
YEAH, THAT'S I THINK WHERE WE'RE GETTING INTO NEW GROUND.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'VE DONE ANY OF THE ONES IN THE PAST.
I MEAN, LIKE TOWN SQUARE OR YOU RECALL ANY OF THAT? I DO NOT RECALL TIME LIMITS HAVING BEEN PLACED ON ANY THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED TODAY.
OKAY. MAYBE THAT'S I DON'T KNOW IF WE JUST WANT TO DEFER TO RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF ON TIMING ON THAT ONE, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT CONSISTENT AND WHATEVER YOU GUYS THINK IS BEST PRACTICE.
SURE. AND I MEAN, IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, JUST REQUIRING THE APPLICANT TO DETERMINE TERM OF THE LEASE. SO THAT COULD BE PROVIDED AT THE COUNCIL HEARING.
AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OKAY. EITHER YOU WANT TO GO IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION OR LIKE I SAID, JUST HAVE THEM PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION SO IT COULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
I HAD ONE MORE THOUGHT TOO. I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS GRAPHIC HERE.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THEY CAN MAYBE PUT SOME SORT OF COVER THIS UP SOMEHOW? LIKE IT'S PRETTY UGLY LOOKING. DO WE WANT TO MAYBE FLIP TO A PAGE THAT YOU'RE.
YES. OKAY. YEAH. WHAT'S THE COMMENT? OH, YEAH.
I'M JUST. IS THERE ANY WAY THEY CAN COVER THAT ELECTRIC? YES. IN THAT CORNER THERE. IT'S NOT THE MOST ATTRACTIVE.
YEAH. MAYBE WE'LL CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP ONE LAST TIME.
HOW TALL, LARGE ARE THOSE? THERE, I THINK I WANT TO SAY ABOUT 6.5FT TALL.
AND GIVEN THE FOUNDATION, LET'S CALL IT SEVEN FEET, JUST TO PLAY IT SAFE.
SOME JURISDICTIONS HAVE ASKED US TO PUT UP AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.
LIKE, WITH THE, LIKE THE TREX DECKING MATERIAL, IF YOU WILL.
JUST BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT THAT'S PRETTIER THAN OTHER OPTIONS.
MAYBE, MAYBE WE COULD JUST ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S EITHER A PAINT COLOR, LIKE, MAYBE INSTEAD OF BRIGHT WHITE, MAYBE IT'S LIKE THE DARK GREEN OR SOMETHING. JUST SOMETHING THAT EITHER BLENDS IT BETTER AND OR LANDSCAPE SHIELDS IT.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT IN THAT GRASS BOX AREA ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
OKAY. IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SEEN. MAYBE. MAYBE WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION AS WELL.
JUST SOME SCREENING ELEMENTS RELATIVE TO PAINT COLORS FENCING OR LANDSCAPE.
INDOOR ALL, ANY OR ALL OF THOSE THREE OPTIONS TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL.
THAT WAY WE'LL BE READY TO VOTE ON IT. OKAY. GOOD IDEA.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. WE'VE DONE OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK WE'VE DELIBERATED. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? ALL RIGHT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA.
ZA-25-0021, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 2ND, 2025.
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ALSO SUBJECT TO OUR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT STAFF REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED MAY 2ND, 2025.AND NOTING THAT WE WOULD REQUEST THE APPLICANT TO BRING THE PRIMARY TERM OF THE LEASE AND ANY OPTIONS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CITY COUNCIL TO EVALUATE. ALSO NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO BRING OPTIONS WITH REGARD TO THE PAINT COLOR OF THE EQUIPMENT AND SHIELDING AND SCREENING OPTIONS OF THE EQUIPMENT, AND ALSO NOTING THAT WE REQUESTED STAFF TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON ANY TERM OF THE APPROVAL BASED ON PRIOR APPROVALS OF SIMILAR EQUIPMENT.
YET ANOTHER WELL CRAFTED MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. LET'S GO AND VOTE. AND PASSES SEVEN ZERO.
CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK. ASSUMING YOU MAKE THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH STAFF WILL TELL ME WILL BE ON MAY 20TH, TUESDAY. CORRECT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE LAST ITEM ON OUR REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AGENDA. BUT STICK AROUND. WE'VE GOT A SIGN BOARD. I KNOW CERTAIN MEMBERS ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE IN A WHILE. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA IS A ZONING CHANGE IN
[8. Consider: ZA25-0026, Zoning Change and Concept/Site Plan for Dakota’s Southlake on property described as Lot 1R1R2, Block 1, Sabre Group Campus Addition and located at 1901 W. Kirkwood Blvd. Current Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. Requested Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #1. PUBLIC HEARING]
CONCEPTS SITE PLAN FOR DAKOTA STEAKHOUSE, SOUTHLAKE.YES. AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT AND SITE PLAN FOR DAKOTA'S.
AS I MENTIONED, THE CURRENT ZONING IS SP TWO GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE SHOWING MIXED USE.
THIS IS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN FOR THE DAKOTAS AT THIS LOCATION.
THERE WERE TWO VARIANCES APPROVED FOR STACKING DEPTH, AND THEY ALSO REQUESTED A VARIANCE TO DEFER THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS UNTIL THE SITE PLAN STAGE. AND THIS WAS JUST A CONCEPT PLAN.
NOW THIS IS THE NEW PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN. THE SITE HAS THE SITE LAYOUT HAS CHANGED A BIT.
WHICH IS WHAT REQUIRED THE ZONING CHANGE. IN ADDITION TO THE THE SITE PLAN.
SO THERE'S VARIANCES REQUESTED FOR DRIVEWAY SPACING.
THERE'S TWO DRIVEWAYS HERE. THESE ARE KIND OF MINOR VARIANCES.
THE OTHER VARIANCE IS FOR DRIVEWAY STACKING. HERE OFF OF 114 75FT IS REQUIRED.
AND THEY'RE PROVIDING 52FT. THIS IS JUST A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN AND THE PROPOSED THE MAIN DIFFERENCES THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THIS SITE DATA SUMMARY ARE THEY WENT THE RETAIL BUILDINGS WENT FROM APPROXIMATELY 11,700FT² DOWN TO 10,975FT². THE STEAKHOUSE INCREASED A BIT FROM 89 55FT² TO 10,000FT².
AND THEN THE EVENT SPACE ALSO INCREASED FROM 8075FT² TO 10,000FT².
THE PARKING WITH THE PREVIOUSLY PREVIOUS APPROVAL, THEY WERE REQUIRED A 229 SPACES.
WITH THIS NEW PROPOSAL, IT'S 255 PARKING SPACES, AND THEY'RE PROVIDING 182 PARKING SPACES.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO OFFER VALET SERVICE. SO FOR THE REMAINING REQUIRED PARKING, THE PARKING WOULD BE PROVIDED OFF SITE WITH VALET SERVICE. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN SPECIFICALLY FOR THE RESTAURANT AND EVENT SPACE.
THE CONCEPT PLAN INCLUDES THE RETAIL SPACES, BUT AT THIS, THEY WILL NEED TO COME BACK FOR A SITE PLAN FOR THOSE WHEN THEY'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE. THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL SPECIFICALLY FOR THE RESTAURANT AND EVENT SPACE.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PRESERVE APPROXIMATELY 2% OF THE EXISTING CANOPY .
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THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS. HERE WE HAVE THE NORTH ELEVATION FOR THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT.AND THEN THERE'S A RENDERING HERE TOO AND THEN THE SOUTH ELEVATION FOR THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT.
AND THIS IS JUST AN ENLARGED VIEW OF THE RENDERING.
THIS IS THE VIEW FROM KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD. ANOTHER VIEW FROM KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD.
ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS OF THE EAST ELEVATION OR ADDITIONAL ELEVATIONS OF THE EAST ELEVATION FOR THE RESTAURANT, AND ALSO THE WEST ELEVATION FOR THE RESTAURANT.
HERE'S A RENDERING LOOKING OVERALL VIEW OF THE SITE.
ANOTHER RENDERING FROM THE PARKING LOT INSIDE THE SITE.
AERIAL VIEW OF THE SHOWING THE PROPOSED SITE.
JUST ANOTHER VIEW FROM STATE HIGHWAY 114. AND THIS IS A VIEW OF THE ENTRY OF THE RESTAURANT.
AND VIEW OF THE EVENT SPACE FROM KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD.
AND PATIO VIEW AT THE RESTAURANT. AND THEN THESE ARE THE RETAIL CONCEPTS.
ADDITIONAL RETAIL CONCEPT. AND THIS KIND OF BIRD'S EYE VIEW AT NIGHT.
AND JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF THE PROPERTY RENDERING.
THIS IS A PHOTO FROM KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD. LOOKING TOWARD 114.
SHOWING THE SITE. THIS IS A VIEW ON KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD, STANDING NEAR THE INTERSECTION WITH THE 114.
ACCESS ROAD VIEW LOOKING ON THE SITE FROM THE CORNER OF 114 AND 114 ACCESS ROAD IN KIRKWOOD.
AND THEN THIS IS JUST LOOKING DOWN KIND OF EASTWARD ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD OR, EXCUSE ME, 114 ACCESS ROAD. AND THEN THIS IS JUST KIND OF FLIPPED AROUND LOOKING THE OTHER DIRECTION ON THE 114 ACCESS ROAD.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. I GUESS I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM AS WE'RE CONTEMPLATING MAKING ROOM FOR MORE STAKE HERE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WENT FROM OR THE SORRY, THE TREE PRESERVATION WILL START THERE WENT FROM 16% TO 2%.
IS THAT IS THAT AM I SAYING THAT CORRECTLY? 23% WAS WHAT? I'M SORRY. THAT WOULD BE 60% OF THE 39% OF THE EXISTING TREE COVER.
SO IF IT'S 39% TREE COVER TODAY, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE PRESERVED, 60% OF THAT, WHICH WOULD LEAVE 23%. SO WE WENT FROM 23% REQUIREMENT, DOWN TO 16% APPROVED DOWN TO 2% REQUESTED.
SO I GUESS THERE'S THAT. AND THEN PARKING 255 REQUIRED AND IT LOOKS LIKE 182 FULLY BUILT OUT I GUESS WOULD BE PROVIDED ON SITE. YEAH. OKAY. AND LAST TIME IT WAS JUST A CONCEPT PLAN. CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. IT WAS JUST A CONCEPT PLAN AND SITE PLAN.
YES. YEAH, A SITE PLAN FOR THE RESTAURANT AND THE EVENT SPACE.
NOW WE'RE GETTING SOME MORE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE ACTUAL.
YES DETAILS. SO VERSUS LAST TIME. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO. RELATED TO THE PARKING. SO AND I, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET DOWN TO THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT IF YOU BLACKED OUT THE EVENT SPACE PORTION, WHAT WOULD THE PARKING REQUIREMENT BE? SO I BELIEVE THE EVENT SPACE IS 10,000FT². SO IT'S THE PARKING WOULD BE ONE PER THREE SEATS OR ONE PER 100FT² OF EVENT SPACE. SO 100 SPACES. IF, BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE THAT SHOWED FOR THE ACCESS VARIANCES? OKAY, SO THOSE ARE THE THREE ACCESS POINTS AND THOSE ARE THE, OKAY.
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YES. NOW, I THINK THAT LOOKED OKAY. NOMINALLY OFF, OKAY.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
THANK YOU. GO AHEAD AND CALL THE APPLICANT UP HERE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
GOOD EVENING. TIM MCINNERNY. 4317 MARCHMONT STREET.
UNIVERSITY PARK, DALLAS, TEXAS. I GUESS ANY ADDITIONAL CONTEXT FOR US JUST IN TERMS OF.
OKAY. SO PARKING, THE VARIOUS SPACE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET IN TROPHY CLUB, WE HAVE A AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE WITH THEM FOR 75 SPACES ANYTIME WE WANT THEM AFTER 5:00, WHICH WILL TAKE THE LOAD OFF THIS AREA, WE WILL DELIVER THAT IN WRITING AND DEVELOP A PARKING AGREEMENT.
WE'RE PROBABLY WE'RE A YEAR OUT ON THIS, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUSH THEM TOO HARD.
BUT THEY'RE WELCOMING THE NEIGHBORHOOD EDITION.
SO AND THEY DON'T USE IT AT NIGHT ANYWAY, SO IT'S AN EASY DEAL THERE.
TXDOT DID PUT THAT NOTCH IN THERE ON THE. THAT'S WHY WE PICKED THAT UP OFF THE SERVICE ROAD.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD A GOOD WAY TO HAVE SERVICE VEHICLES AND WHATNOT COME IN AND GO ON THE BACKSIDE OR BY THE CREEK ON THE FAR RIGHT AND THEN GO UP INTO THE RESTAURANT AND EVENT SPACE, THE TREE PRESERVATION, THE TREES.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S EVER BEEN BUILT ON THIS LAND.
AND THE TREES ARE REALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD CALL ALL OF THEM THAT ARE THERE, THE PEOPLE THAT TAGGED THEM AND WHATNOT. AND DUNAWAY'S HERE. I MEAN, THEY'RE THERE.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A WEED TREE ON A LOT OF THESE, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE'LL COME BACK IN AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS THING, YOU SEE ALL THE TREES IN THE PARKING LOT AND WHATNOT, AND I REALLY SPECIFIED FOR THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS TO BE ABLE TO PUT PROBABLY MORE TREES THAN YOU'RE EVEN SEEING ON THIS IN THE PARKING LOT. AND YOU COULD PARK RIGHT UP TO THEM IF THE TREE IS BUILT INTO THE PARKING LOT AND THE LIGHTS ARE ALL FLUSH, AND YOU COULD PARK RIGHT UP INTO THAT TREE, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY PARKING SPOTS AWAY.
LISTEN TO THE LAST PRESENTATION. I'M THINKING MAYBE WE NEED TO PUT SOME ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS OVER HERE NOW, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THAT'S ANOTHER DEAL. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK WE WILL MAKE A GOOD ADDITION TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. THERE WERE SOME RENDERINGS IN THERE THAT WERE PROBABLY NOT TIED TO THIS CONCEPT.
THEY WERE SCRATCHED BECAUSE KIMBALL LOOKED LIKE KIMBALL GOT A LITTLE.
THE PRESENTATION FROM KIMBALL GOT BLED INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT.
IT WILL HAVE. I MEAN, WHAT YOU SAW THE CORE OF THE RESTAURANT IN THAT TILTED EVENT SPACE.
YES, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AFTER RIGHT NOW. AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE AUSTIN STONE.
AND THE RESTAURANT CHANGED A LITTLE BIT ON THE EXTERIOR.
WE DON'T WANT ANY GLASS ON THE RESTAURANT. THINK ABOUT A STEAKHOUSE THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN.
THINK OF A STEAKHOUSE YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN, OR A REALLY HIGH END ONE THAT HAD ANY WINDOWS.
AND WE'LL GET IT INSIDE PROBABLY OFF THAT WALL, THAT WALL THAT YOU SAW FROM KIRKWOOD.
BUT I THINK WE'VE DICED THIS THING DOWN ENOUGH TO WHERE WE MY SIDE, WE LIKE WHAT WE'RE SEEING, AND HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS DO. YEAH. I MEAN, I, I THINK GENERALLY I KNOW WE'VE BEEN EXCITED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE STEAKHOUSE AND BEND SPACE AND WHAT COMES WITH IT.
I GUESS FOR ME, WHAT I'M KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH IS THE EXTRA BUILDINGS ON THE SITE THAT JUST KIND OF SERVE TO FURTHER DENSIFY IT, DRIVE EVEN MORE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND KIND OF REDUCE FROM THE LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, THE TREE PRESERVATION ASPECT, WHICH IS SOMETHING HISTORICALLY WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH ON THIS SITE.
I MEAN, THE SITES COME THROUGH SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST 7 OR 8 YEARS, AND THAT'S KIND OF BEEN THE STRUGGLE ON AND OFF IS JUST HOW DENSE DOES IT? WELL, THE TREES REALLY BUCKLE UP TO THAT.
I MEAN, THEY GRAVITATE FROM THAT CREEK IN. YEAH, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THEY'RE WANTING THE WATER, THE ROOT STRUCTURE AND OVER ON THAT BACK SIDE IS REALLY ROUGH.
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WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THOSE RIGHT NOW.I WANT TO GET THAT PARKING LOT IN, IN THE RESTAURANT AND EVERYTHING THAT WERE IN THE EVENT SPACE.
AND WE MAY HAVE A BETTER IDEA ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO OVER THERE.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO 2 OR 3 PEOPLE IN DALLAS THAT, YOU KNOW, HIGH END WATCH STORE IN HERE AND A YOGA STUDIO AND MED SPA, AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN COMING OVER TO THIS NECK OF THE WOODS, ESPECIALLY THE PROXIMITY TO BEING IN SOUTHLAKE IS A HUGE DRAW.
THE PROXIMITY TO WESTLAKE AND TROPHY CLUB MAKE IT EVEN BETTER.
SO I MEAN, THOSE COULD EVOLVE. I MEAN, WE COULD COME BACK IN.
WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND GET A BLESSING ON IT.
I THINK WE MAYBE WE ALL I'M GOING TO ASK THEM.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS DUNAWAY IS HERE. I DON'T KNOW THE 2%, MAYBE THAT THING CAN GROW SOME AND THAT CAN BE MAYBE. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETIMES WHAT WE KIND OF BRAINSTORM AT THESE MEETINGS IS RELATIVE TO ANYTHING THAT GETS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
ARE THERE SOME OPTIONS YOU CAN HAVE READY TO PROVIDE THEM THAT? YEAH. AND I'M JUST TALKING OUT LOUD HERE. MAYBE IT CUTS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN HALF ON THOSE BUILDINGS.
WELL, IT'S INTERESTING THE QUESTION YOU HAD A MINUTE AGO ABOUT THE RESTAURANT AND THE EVENT SPACE.
VERY SELDOM. YEAH. I MEAN, HEY, I'D LOVE THEM BOTH GOING IN TANDEM EVERY NIGHT, BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS THEY WON'T BE MY STRUGGLE THAT I'M JUST GOING TO GO CONCEPTUALLY HERE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE UP HERE TO KIND OF LEGISLATE, YOU KNOW, THE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BUILT AND THEN THE SITE PLANS THAT ARE BUILT.
AND I KNOW EVERYBODY LIKES TO TALK ABOUT THE TENANCY, BUT NOT I DON'T MEAN THIS NEGATIVELY, BUT TENANTS COME AND GO. I MEAN, WHEN WE DID TD AMERITRADE THAT'S ALL WE HEARD ABOUT TD AMERITRADE.
AND WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT BUILDING WAS DESIGNED MULTI-TENANT JUST IN CASE.
ONE DAY LO AND BEHOLD TWO YEARS LATER, THEY'RE GONE.
SO WE'RE HERE TO MAKE SURE WE DESIGN THINGS THAT ARE EVERGREEN IN THAT SENSE.
AND YOU'RE HERE NOW, AND THAT'S GREAT. BUT YOU LEAVE ONE DAY.
WE'VE GOT PHYSICAL STRUCTURES ON THERE THAT ARE VASTLY UNDER PARKED.
SO NOW WE HAVE AN EASEMENT, ETC.. BUT JUST HOW BIG OF AN EASEMENT, HOW CROWDED DO WE WANT TO MAKE IT? HISTORICALLY, THIS HAS BEEN A TOUGHER ONE FOR COUNCIL, JUST FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S LEAD. THEY REJECTED SIMILAR SITE PLANS TO THIS WITH SIMILAR OR WORSE I GUESS OR BETTER ACTUALLY TREE PRESERVATIONS AND PARKING.
SO THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS BRAINSTORM.
SO MAYBE, MAYBE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT COULD BE A CONCEPT PLAN WHERE YOU HAVE HALF THAT RETAIL SPACE, YOU PRESERVE A FEW MORE TREES, YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT LESS OFF SITE PARKING.
AND THEN THAT'S A DERIVATIVE THEY CAN CUT INTO BECAUSE, I MEAN, IF YOU WATCH ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, IT'S ALL ABOUT TRAFFIC DENSITY, TREE PRESERVATION.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF PREPARE YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE YOUR NEXT MEETING IS THE I MEAN, I PROBABLY SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS ALREADY.
I DON'T USUALLY ASK QUESTIONS UNLESS I ALREADY KNOW THAT ANSWER.
BUT IF WE HAD THE ENTIRE COMPLEX LIKE HIGHLAND PARK VILLAGE, FULLY VALID PEOPLE COULD SELL PARK.
BUT IT'S FULLY VALET AND IT'S COMPLIMENTARY. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE EVER FOR VALET.
THAT, AND I KNOW IN DALLAS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT CHANGES A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU PUT THAT INTO THE MIX, BECAUSE THEY STACK CARS AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT'S JUST HOW MUCH DO WE WANT TO MAKE IT AND UNDERSTAND THERE'LL BE DIFFERENT OPINIONS.
WELL, AND IT IS A DIFFERENT. IT IS A DIFFERENT.
SO IT'S JUST THE DEMAND AND THE LOAD. IT'S PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT. DO THEY WANT TO DRIVE OVER THERE? DO THEY WANT TO DRIVE HOME AFTER THEY'VE HAD A BOTTLE OF WINE OR TWO? AND WHAT WILL THEY DO? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY LIVES OVER HERE.
AND SO MAYBE, MAYBE JUST ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, ARE YOU OPEN TO WITH THOSE OUTBUILDINGS, THOSE OUT RETAIL BUILDINGS, SOME KIND OF AT LEAST REDUCTION IN THOSE IN TERMS OF ANYTHING WE I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD CRAFT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE AS AN OPTION, PASS ALONG THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE KIND OF RUNNING OUT OF TIME WITH SUMMER MEETINGS,
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AND I'M SURE YOU WANT TO PROBABLY STAY ON SCHEDULE, SO.WELL, YEAH, I'LL GO BACK TO. I'LL GO BACK TO THEM.
I MEAN, THE TOUGH THING. IT'S SIX ACRES, SO THAT'S A LOT OF LAND.
THAT'S FIVE ACRES. AND THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF STORES AND RESTAURANTS IN THERE.
SO TO ONLY HAVE I MEAN, IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I'VE GOT SO MANY PEOPLE CALLING RIGHT NOW WANTING TO COME ON THIS LAND FROM THE GROCERY STORE TO A GAS STATION. EVERYBODY WANTS ON HERE.
SO I'M LIKE, WELL, THAT'S NOT WE DON'T REALLY WANT YOU ON THE MIX.
SO YEAH. OKAY. WELL, HERE, I'LL SEE IF THERE'S I'M SURE THERE'S SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT TO JUMP.
LET'S SEE EVERYBODY. I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE AGREEMENT WITH THE VARI SPACE.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED AFTER 5:00, BUT WHAT ABOUT WEEKENDS? WOULD IT BE ALL DAY ON THE WEEKENDS? YOU KNOW, I DON'T, IT THE WORD ASSUME IS A BAD WORD, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT'S PROBABLY PARED BACK A LOT.
I HAVEN'T EVER SEEN A LOT OVER THERE, BUT I MEAN, SATURDAY NIGHT WOULD BE THE BIG NIGHT.
WELL, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE PARKING GAP PROBABLY IS ATTRIBUTED TO THE EVENT SPACE.
THE EXTRA SPACE IS NEEDED FOR THE EVENT SPACE.
AND I WOULD JUST IMAGINE THAT MOST EVENTS WOULD BE EITHER EVENINGS OR WEEKENDS.
IN A WEEKEND, ONE COULD BE DURING THE DAY. SO.
BUT I'M NOT TELLING YOU. WELL, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THE RESTAURANTS, DAKOTA'S AND RIGHT NOW, IT WOULDN'T BE MY PLAN TO EVER HAVE IT OPEN ON A SATURDAY.
IT NEVER IS. WE'RE ONLY OPEN AT NIGHT. SUNDAY.
WE'RE OPEN FOR LUNCH AND DINNER, AND THEN SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, WE'RE OPEN AT NIGHT.
SO TO REPHRASE, JUST CHECK FOR MY UNDERSTANDING.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE EVENT SPACE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE DURING DAY HOURS.
IT WOULD. ALSO, IT WOULD PARALLEL WITH THE STEAKHOUSE HOURS.
SPACE. STEAKHOUSE IS ONLY OPEN AT NIGHT, AND PEOPLE WOULD TYPICALLY I MEAN, THEY PROBABLY HAVE WEDDINGS, TWILIGHT OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY COULD BE USING IT FROM NOON ON AND GET IN THERE.
OKAY, SO ON THE PARKING THING HAVING BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME PARKING AGREEMENTS IN SOUTHLAKE.
SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH HOW THEY GET STRUCTURED.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE PARKING AGREEMENT.
IT'S GOT TO BE A PERMANENT EASEMENT. IT'S A DEEDED EASEMENT SUCH THAT YOU WOULD HAVE CONTROL OF 75 PARKING SPOTS IF THAT'S THE NUMBER FOR PERPETUITY IN ORDER FOR THIS SITE TO WORK.
SO THE QUESTION I GUESS I'VE GOT IS, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU HAD THE LEVEL OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OWNER ACROSS THE STREET THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE YOU AN EASEMENT FOR PERPETUITY SUCH THAT IF YOU BUILT THIS PROJECT, THEN IT FOR PERPETUITY WOULD HAVE THE PROPER PARKING.
NO, I MEAN THAT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO ASCERTAIN TO GET TO THAT POINT.
IF I OWN LAND ACROSS THE STREET, I'D BE SAYING, WAIT A MINUTE.
I'M NOT SURE I'M COMFORTABLE DOING THAT. OKAY.
OTHER QUESTIONS. WELL, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS. DO YOU HAVE ANY PLAN FOR THE SAFETY OF YOUR VALET PEOPLE OR ANYONE ELSE WALKING ACROSS KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A PRETTY BUSY AREA. YEAH IT IS.
AND I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT IN MY LIFE I WAS A VALET PARKING MANAGER.
SO YEAH, IT I MEAN, IT ENTERS MY MIND. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.
SOMETHING WILL HAVE TO BE DONE TO GET THEM BACK OVER THERE. I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE GOING OVER THERE VERY OFTEN.
BUT I DON'T FORESEE US GOING ACROSS THE STREET VERY OFTEN.
YOU MIGHT THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER RESTAURANT IN THERE IN A FEW YEARS THAT'S OPEN ALL DAY LONG.
AND SO IT'S HARD. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU KIND OF KEEP DEFERRING BACK TO HOW YOU'RE GOING TO SPECIFICALLY USE THIS SITE, BUT THAT MAY NOT BE HOW IT'S USED IN FIVE YEARS.
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AND SO THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN. I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH THE PARKING BEING OFF SITE.YEAH. WELL, I, I DO OWN THE LAND, SO I'LL CONTROL THE BUILDINGS.
IF I GOT TO, I GOT TO DROP THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WORKING.
SO YOU OWN THE LAND NOW? I GUESS IT'S NOT. I WILL OWN EVERYTHING.
OKAY. OKAY. SO I OWN THE LAND RIGHT NOW. OKAY.
SO NOT UNDER CONTRACT. YOU ACTUALLY. NO, NO, I OWN IT.
IT'S DONE. IT WAS PURCHASED IN JANUARY, SO IT'S DEEDED TO US.
SO WE CONTROL WHAT COMES AND GOES ON IT, WHICH IS A BIG THING.
SO SOMEBODY'S NOT JUST THROWING SOMETHING UP THERE AND IT'S GOING TO STAY.
WE WANT IT TO WORK. DAKOTA'S IS 41 YEARS OLD IN DALLAS, AND IT'S TERRIBLY SUCCESSFUL.
SO I GOT TO BELIEVE IT'S TRADEMARKED, IT'S SUCCESSFUL, IT'LL GO.
AND YOU HAVE NO EVENT SPACE OVER HERE. NOTHING OTHER THAN A HOTEL.
SO AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT AN EVENT SPACE OUT HERE.
THAT'S REALLY A DESIGN ELEMENT THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO DRIVE UP TO.
THEY HAVE TO GO INTO A HOTEL, INTO A BALLROOM AND TRY TO CREATE THAT DESIGN ELEMENT.
BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE A WOW FACTOR FOR THE MINUTE THEY WALK UP.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I'VE GOT ONE FOR STAFF WHEN WE FINISH WITH ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH. WE'LL PROBABLY CALL YOU BACK HERE IN A SECOND.
KIND OF DELIBERATE, BUT NO, NO, NO. OKAY. WE'LL WORK THROUGH IT.
SO TO THE EXTENT THOSE WERE REMOVED FROM THE CONCEPT PLAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD HELP IN TERMS OF GIVING US COMFORT THAT WHAT YOU WOULD BRING BACK TO COUNCIL AT THE NEXT LEVEL, I WOULD THINK, AND STAFF CAN MAYBE NOD THEIR HEADS AT ME OR NOT, WOULD POTENTIALLY INCLUDE MORE PARKING ON SITE AND MORE TREE PRESERVATION.
I MEAN, WE'LL SEE HOW MUCH, BUT IT WOULD GIVE YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT.
AND SEE WHAT COUNCIL THINKS OF THAT. I MEAN, WE CAN EVEN DO IT WHERE THERE'S OPTIONS BECAUSE COUNCIL WILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE THEIR OWN OPINION. AND THAT'S THE LAST OPINION AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT MATTERS. BUT AT LEAST YOU'LL BE READY THERE AND YOU'LL HAVE THE OPTION. AND YOU CAN HOPEFULLY GET A DECISION THAT NIGHT. NOT, HEY, GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND TRY AND LOOK AT THIS OR THAT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET YOU READY FOR THAT. WELL, AND THERE'S SOME BIG BEAUTIFUL TREES IN THERE.
THAT IS MY HEIGHT DOWN. IT'S NOTHING. IT'S JUST TEXAS SHRUB BUT IT'S TAGGED AS A TREE SO IT COUNTS.
NO, NO, WE'RE AROUND AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THEM. THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN FULL. WE'RE NOT GOING TO WAIT FOR THEM TO GROW IN TEN YEARS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL HERE, LET US, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP HERE SHORTLY. IS THIS YOUR FIRST MEETING DOWN THERE WITH YOUR.
I MEAN, ALL RIGHT. QUESTION FOR STAFF. COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM.
SO, DENNIS, IS THERE ANYTHING IN OUR CODE THAT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SITES IN OR AROUND THE CITY WHERE WE CAN'T GET THE TREE SAVING OR SALVATION THAT WE WANT, WE CAN'T KEEP THE COVER THAT WE WANT.
DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO REPLACE CALIPER INCH PER CALIPER INCH WITH A PLAN THAT'S BASICALLY IT'S NOT THE EXACT SAME TREE, BUT WE HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF COVER. YES, YES.
WELL YES. THE MINIMUM REPLACEMENT SIZE IS TWO INCHES.
AND IF YOU ARE FULLY MITIGATING THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CALIPER SIZE OF THE REMOVED TREE, AND THEN IT MUST BE REPLACED BY EQUAL NUMBER OF CALIPER SIZED TREES TO EQUAL WHATEVER THE SIZE OF THAT ORIGINAL OR CUMULATIVE NUMBER OF TREES WERE REMOVED.
SO IF THERE'S 100 TREES OR 100 CALIPER INCHES REMOVED, THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR ONE FOR ONE REPLACEMENT UP TO WHAT YOU PUT IN THE GROUND, MEANING THAT 100 CALIPER INCH SIZE.
AND THEN THE OTHER OPTION OF THAT IS EITHER REPAYMENT INTO THE REFORESTATION FUND THAT THE CITY MAINTAINS AND USES TO REPLACE STREET TREES AND THINGS IN THE CITY, OR THE APPLICANT IF THEY CAN'T FIT THEM ON SITE.
SITE HAS THE OPTION OF WORKING WITH CITY STAFF AND PUTTING THEM IN AN AGREED UPON OFFSITE LOCATION.
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THEY COULD MAYBE SAVE 4% OR 5% JUST TO PICK A NUMBER.THEY WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND MITIGATE CALIPER INCH PER CALIPER INCH ON SITE WITH TREES THAT ARE FULLY GROWN, AS THE APPLICANT HAS MENTIONED, OR WELL GROWN.
SO THERE ARE METHODS FOR THEM TO BASICALLY UTILIZE A SITE AND NOT LET THE TREE ISSUE BE THE, THE, THE, THE THING THAT WOULD KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING IS THAT THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
CITY COUNCIL HAS AUTHORITY TO APPROVE. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS? IF IT'S ONE, ONE PER ONE OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN WHAT'S BEING PRESERVED AND A ONE FOR ONE MEASURE.
OKAY. SO IN TERMS OF GUIDANCE FOR THE APPLICANT THEN MAYBE A A VERY ACCURATE TREE SURVEY THAT WOULD IDENTIFY REAL TRUE SPECIMEN TREES IF THERE WERE TWO OR 3 OR 4, HOWEVER MANY THAT WERE REALLY THE BIG SPECIMEN TREES, THAT YOU COULD THEN BUILD UP PROTECTIVE AREAS AROUND AND KEEP THOSE AND THEN DO THIS MITIGATION.
THERE'S A POTENTIALLY A PATH TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE APPLICANT DOING SOME WORK FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT AND A TREE SURVEY STANDPOINT TO, TO SHOW US HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN. YES, SIR. YES, YOU ARE CORRECT.
OKAY. YES. OKAY. WHY DON'T I DO OUR PUBLIC HEARING REAL QUICK? ITEM EIGHT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
I GUESS MAYBE JUST COMMISSIONER BRAINSTORMING KIND OF UP HERE.
I GUESS MAYBE, MAYBE JUST REALLY QUICKLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I GUESS, IS THERE HOW EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT THIS IN TERMS OF, ARE YOU JUST OKAY WITH IT THE WAY IT IS, AS IS, OR ARE THERE MITIGANTS IN TERMS OF JUST DENSITY WISE THAT YOU'D PREFER TO CUT IT BACK? I THINK YOUR IDEA OF PROVIDING OPTIONS AND MOVING IT FORWARD IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.
AND SO HE OWNS THE LAND AND I THINK HE'S COMMITTED.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. OKAY.
AND I'M JUST REALLY FOCUSED ON THOSE RETAIL OUTBUILDINGS AT 11,000 SQUARE FOOT THERE.
OF THOSE MAYBE HALF OF THAT AND THEN MAYBE NONE OF IT.
AND LET THEM AND THEY CAN KIND OF DESIGN A CONCEPT PLAN THAT MAYBE WOULD TALK THROUGH GENERALLY WHAT THE PROVIDED PARKING WOULD LOOK LIKE UNDER THOSE SCENARIOS AND WHAT TREE PRESERVATION MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK LIKE UNDER THOSE SCENARIOS.
DOES THAT SOUND? I YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD BE RELUCTANT ACTUALLY, TO TRY TO MOVE THIS PLAN FORWARD.
I THINK THERE'S TOO MANY THINGS IN IT THAT NEED TO BE CLEARED UP.
I'M TRYING TO DESIGN IT FROM THE PODIUM UP HERE WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT, I THINK IF THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE'S MEANS AND METHODS TO DEAL WITH THE TREES AND THERE'S MEANS AND METHODS TO DEAL WITH THE PARKING.
OTHER THAN WHAT HE'S DONE RIGHT NOW, IT WILL MAKE IT EASIER TO GET THROUGH A COUNCIL VOTE.
AND I THINK IF WE TABLE THEM, THEN WHY DON'T I CALL IT HERE? GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE TO. IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT REAL QUICK, FEEL FREE TO COME UP.
BUT JUST COMMENT ON THE HOT MIC BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT DOESN'T GET ON THE RECORD.
SO. NO, I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO TRY TO DISCOURAGE OUR FRIENDS FROM COMMENTING OUT IN THE GALLERY, SO THANK YOU. WELL, BEFORE I DID WHAT I'M DOING, I WANTED TO BE AN ARCHITECT.
SO I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO THIS SITE PLAN AND I CAN GET THAT PARKING.
I CAN GET THAT PARKING LEVEL UP TO PROBABLY 230 ON SITE, AND WE'LL PRESERVE MORE TREES BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THOSE BUILDINGS TO THE RIGHT AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPIN THOSE INTO THAT PARKING AREA AND CREATE MORE PARKING ON THIS
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SIDE. I PICK THE SPOTS UP AND I CAN READ. I'M NOT GOING TO I I'M NOT UNLESS YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO, BUT I'M NOT BEING ADAMANT ABOUT IT. BUT I PREFER TO HAVE THAT RESTAURANT WHERE IT IS IN THE EVENT SPACE.THE EVENT SPACE WORKS BECAUSE THAT GIVES US. AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANY OBJECTIONS.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT TILL THE 20TH, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IT DONE BEFORE MOTHER'S DAY, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON THIS WAY TOO MUCH WITH THE ARCHITECT. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE VERSION YOU PRESENT WOULD NOT HAVE ANY OF THE RETAIL BUILDINGS ON IT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU HOW FUTURE USE WOULD BE ON THEM.
I'M NOT GOING TO BUILD THEM INITIALLY. I'M GOING TO ONLY BUILD THE RESTAURANT AND EVENT SPACE.
THAT'S PHASE ONE. AND THEN WHEN I TALKED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, THEY SAID, OKAY, WE'LL COME BACK IN ON THE SPACES, BUT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU FUTURE USE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO.
BUT WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE WE'LL LEAVE THE TREES, THE NUMBER OF TREES, AND WE'LL PROBABLY GET TO 15% OR 20% AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET THE PARKING UP. BUT YEAH, THE STRUGGLE IS TONIGHT.
SO THAT'S THAT'S THE DILEMMA WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT IS WHAT DO WE SHOW ON A CONCEPT PLAN FOR THOSE BUILDINGS TO PRESENT TO MOVE ALONG TO CITY COUNCIL? YEAH. WELL I THINK THOSE THE BUILDINGS NEED TO, LIKE YOU SAID, REDUCE SOME, BUT NOT EVEN DOING THAT.
THEY NEED TO BE THOSE BUILDINGS NEED TO BE INTERJECTED INTO THE PARKING LOT, WHICH WILL FREE UP A LOT OF LAND MASS TO BE ABLE TO PUT MORE PARKING ON IT AND HAVE IT TIGHTER. THE BUILDINGS. IF I'M WALKING OUT OF THE RESTAURANT AND I WANT TO WALK ACROSS.
I WANT TO WALK ACROSS LIKE TOWN SQUARE. I CAN GET TO ANOTHER SHOP OR OUTLET OR SOMETHING EASIER.
SO MAYBE ONE POTENTIAL MOTION COULD BE A CONCEPT PLAN THAT FEATURES HALF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND THAT WAY THAT JUST GIVES YOU THE LATITUDE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY BUILDINGS OR LOCATIONS, HALF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDINGS. YEAH, THE OTHER 11,000, MAYBE IT'S 5500.
AND I'M CONFIDENT THE ARCHITECTS IN CHICAGO CAN WE CAN PUT OUR HEAD TOGETHER AND REWORK THIS.
OKAY. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'LL PUT THAT UP TO VOTE, SEE WHO'S COMFORTABLE OR NOT. BUT YEAH. NO, THAT THAT'S HELPFUL. WE WON'T TIE IT TO LIKE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS OR THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION. MAYBE WE'LL JUST TIE IT TO SQUARE FOOTAGE AND LET THE EXPERTS.
IT'S LIKE $350,000 THAT WE GOT TO WRITE A CHECK FOR, TO PUT TREES ALL OVER SOUTHLAKE, OR PUT IT IN YOUR BUDGET OR WAR CHEST TO PLANT FUTURE TREES. SO I SAID, NO, WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO PRESERVE AND REPLANT ON THIS LOT THE TREES.
SO YEAH, WE DID. WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE. THEY GUIDED US PRETTY WELL ON IT.
WE KNEW THE NUMBER OKAY. SO OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, PERFECT.
THANK YOU. DAN I HAD A QUESTION. WE COULD JUST DENY THIS.
AND HE COULD STILL PROGRESS ONTO CITY COUNCIL WITH A NEW A WHOLE NEW PLAN.
AND WE COULD JUST MAKE IT KNOWN TO THE COUNCIL WHY WE'RE DENYING IT.
YEAH, WE CAN. TYPICALLY THEY KIND OF LOOK FOR, LIKE, EITHER WHY WE DENY IT OR THEY OR MAYBE YOU COULD, WE COULD PRESENT OPTIONS, BUT SAY THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S PREFERENCE IS FOR OPTION TWO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN GO. SOMETIMES A DENIAL TO SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS MIGHT BE INTERPRETED AS BASICALLY, WE DON'T LIKE THE PROJECT, WHICH I GUESS I'M NOT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING TO CONVEY THAT. RIGHT. TECHNICALLY, WE COULD DO THAT, BUT.
YEAH. NO, I THINK I THINK WE CAN TRY TO TALK THROUGH THAT.
WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN AGREE ON THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS, MR. VICE CHAIR, YOU LOOK. WELL YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO SPECIFY THAT WE WANT ADDITIONAL OPTIONS ON TREE PRESERVATION, MORE DETAILS ON THE TREE SURVEY, AND TRY AND GET THE PRESERVATION NUMBER UP.
YOU KNOW, IN THE 12 TO 14% RANGE OR HIGHER AND THEN ALSO GO BACK TO THE FEWER RETAIL BUILDINGS, INCLUDING HALF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR EVEN NO SQUARE FOOTAGE.
I MEAN MY THOUGHT IS HE NEEDS TO GO IN WITH LIKE THREE CONCEPT PLANS.
BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A CONCEPT PLAN. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IF WE APPROVE IT, HE CAN GO OUT AND BUILD.
YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I MEAN, HE'S GOT TO COME BACK FOR A SITE PLAN FOR THOSE BUILDINGS.
TO THE EXTENT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY VARIANCES, THEN OUR HANDS ARE TIED. SO CORRECT.
YEAH. SO THAT'S THE THAT THAT'S THE PUSH PULL.
SO I MEAN I'M FINE. I MEAN, HOPEFULLY THIS ISN'T TOO ESOTERIC, BUT IN THE SPIRIT OF LIKE YOU SAID, THIS APPLICANTS HAD POSITIVE FEEDBACK THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
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THREE DIFFERENT PLANS, ONE AS IS, ONE WITH HALF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, ONE WITH NONE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR JUST THOSE RETAIL BUILDINGS.AND I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT A GOOD BOGEY WOULD BE ON THE PARKING SIDE OF THINGS.
DENNIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY BRILLIANT IDEAS THERE? COMES CLOSER TO SATISFYING ON SITE REQUIREMENTS, DOING SOME QUICK MATHEMATICS ON THIS.
IF THE RETAIL COMPONENT IS NOT AT PLAY, THEY'RE VERY THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO, TO MEETING THE PARKING AND THE TWO WAYS IT'S LOOKED AT, THAT'S AND THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN WORK SESSION.
AND HERE'S THREE OPTIONS. AND OUR PREFERENCE IS SOMETHING THAT COMES CLOSE TO THOSE TWO METRICS.
THEY ARE DEPENDING ON HOW YOU CALCULATE THE PARKING WHETHER YOU CALCULATE IT PARKING IS CALCULATED ON WHATEVER THE HIGHEST PARKING YIELD IS BY THE MATH. AND SO, FOR THE EVENT CENTER, IF YOU PARK IT BY SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE RESTAURANT BY SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEY ARE LESS THAN 10% SHORT ON MEETING ON SITE PARKING FOR THOSE TWO USES THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR.
UP TO 50% OF REQUIRED PARKING OF THOSE SPACES, AND WHAT MIGHT BE REQUIRED FOR A RETAIL USE TO BE SHARED IF THEY ARE USES THAT TRADITIONALLY HAVE OPPOSITE OPERATING HOURS.
SO TAKE THE RETAIL OFF AND JUST BY ITSELF WITHOUT USING THAT PERCENTAGE ADJUSTMENT THERE.
AT THE HIGHER PARKING YIELD THEY ARE LESS THAN 10%, WHICH IS A VARIANCE THAT THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL CAN APPROVE WITHOUT EVEN A STUDY WITH IT. IF YOU PARK IT BY HOW THEIR PLAN REPRESENTS ITS MAXIMUM SEATING, THEY ARE OVER PARKED. IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE RESTAURANT AND EVENT CENTER.
YEAH, OKAY. THEY'RE 30. WELL MAYBE. TWO SPACES OVER.
MAYBE WHAT WE'LL DO IS. WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY IF, SAY, HALF THE RETAIL BUILDINGS WERE ERASED, NOT ONLY WOULD YOU REDUCE PARKING NEED, BUT YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE MORE LAND TO BE ABLE TO ADD BACK PARKING THAT WOULD GO TO OTHER USES. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THREE OPTIONS MIGHT BE THE KEY HERE, WITH JUST US HAVING A ROUGH TARGET OF WHERE WE'D LIKE THEM TO APPROACH AND THEN LET HIS LIKE HE SAID, HIS ARCHITECTS KIND OF WORK THEIR MAGIC ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT LOOKS GOOD.
SO I THINK MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S THE BACKBONE OF A MOTION THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.
AND THEN TARGETING THE WAS IT, SORRY. GETTING MY NUMBERS MIXED UP AGAIN WHERE WE WERE AT 16% TREE PRESERVATION, WHERE IT WAS BEFORE AND CLOSE TO ALL ON SITE PARKING PROVIDED.
AND THEN JUST SEE WHAT THE APPLICANT CAN DRAW UP AND THEN MAYBE GO FROM THERE.
WHO KNOWS? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA ZA25-0026, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 2ND, 2025.
ALSO SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED MAY 2ND, 2025, NOTING APPROVAL OF THE TWO VARIANCES REQUESTED AND NOTING THAT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL IS CONDITIONED UPON THE APPLICANT TAKING TWO ADDITIONAL OPTIONS FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL THAT ADDRESS TREE PRESERVATION AND MAKE IT MORE IN LINE WITH PRIOR APPLICATIONS IN THE RANGE OF 16%, AND ALSO BRINGING TREE SURVEY INFORMATION TO COUNCIL AND THEN ALSO ADDRESSING FEWER RETAIL BUILDINGS SO THAT ON SITE PARKING IS COVERED OR IS CLOSE TO BE COVERED AS POSSIBLE, WHICH MIGHT INCLUDE HALF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE RETAIL OR NONE OF THE RETAIL.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE HEAD NODS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.
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OKAY. SIX ONE. AND APPRECIATE YOU GOING THROUGH THIS.YOU KNOW, I PROMISE YOU WAS NOT TO TORTURE YOU.
IT'S TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE ULTIMATELY READY FOR CITY COUNCIL.
SO YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING IN YOUR BACK POCKET TO ANSWER ANY OF THEIR QUESTIONS. AND HOPEFULLY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, KIND OF KEEP THINGS MOVING ON A GOOD PACE FOR YOU.
SO THANK YOU FOR WORKING THROUGH THIS WITH US.
APPRECIATE THAT. AND AS STAFF, LET US KNOW, THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING WOULD BE JUNE OR
SORRY, MAY 5TH, MAY 20TH. MAY 20TH. SO WITH THAT, THAT ENDS OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
MEETING, BUT DON'T GO ANYWHERE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.