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EXCUSE ME. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS RYAN FIRESTONE, AND I'M YOUR HOST FOR THE SPIN MEETING TONIGHT.
[1. Call to Order: Video Introduction of SPIN Program by Southlake Mayor Shawn McCaskill]
THE PURPOSE OF SPIN IS TO GAIN FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS ON DEVELOPMENT RELATED PROJECTS AND OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY.SPIN IS AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND NO VOTES ARE TAKEN.
SPIN IS STREAMED LIVE THROUGH SOUTHLAKE TV ON THE CITY'S MAIN WEBSITE.
GOOD EVENING. THIS IS SHAWN MCCASKILL, THE MAYOR OF SOUTHLAKE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO TONIGHT'S SPIN MEETING.
FIRST OF ALL, SPIN STANDS FOR SOUTHLAKE PROGRAM FOR THE INVOLVEMENT OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU COME IN. THIS IS THE FIRST STAGE IN OUR VERY THOROUGH AND EXHAUSTIVE REVIEW PROCESS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING PART OF THAT PROCESS.
WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT AND BEING PART OF OUR PROCESS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
I WILL READ THROUGH ANY OF THESE SUBMISSIONS AFTER THE RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCE WHO HAVE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK. AFTER THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS CAN USE THE MICROPHONE IN THE AISLE FOR THE Q&A PORTION OF THE MEETING. WITH THAT, LET US GET TO OUR APPLICANT PRESENTATION. LANNY MOONEY IS HERE TO PRESENT OUR ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING,
[2. SPIN2025-05 - An applicant is proposing a zoning change related to fencing requirements for Carroll Senior High School located at 1501 W. Southlake Blvd.]
WHICH IS SPIN 2025-05. AN APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A ZONING CHANGE RELATED TO FENCING REQUIREMENTS FOR CARROLL SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL, LOCATED AT 1501 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD. SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME TONIGHT.IT IS OUR EXPECTATION TO CHANGE THE FENCE THAT'S UNDER THE VARIANCE STARTING IN JULY.
SHOULD TAKE US TWO, THREE, FOUR WEEKS TO PERFORM THAT.
SO AFTER THAT, THEN WE FEEL LIKE IT'S OUR IT'S BEEN 25 YEARS SINCE THE LAST, ANOTHER 6 OR 7 YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PLUS 30 YEARS.
SO WITH THE TREES THAT HAVE GROWN UP AND BLOCK THE LIGHT PROBLEM, THE SOUND PROBLEMS, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GONE THROUGH THERE. YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE THAT WE'VE DONE OUR DUTY WHERE THAT THE LENGTH OF TIME IN PERPETUITY IS PAST. IT'S TIME SO IF IT'S THE REMOVING OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTRACT, MAINTAIN IN THE FENCE DESCRIBED IN ORDINANCE FOUR 8388 IS OUR REQUEST.
IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS SUMMER SO.
I'M SORRY, SIR. SURE. CAN YOU USE THE MIC JUST SO PEOPLE AT HOME ARE WATCHING CAN HEAR YOU.
MY NAME IS EDWARD ARMSTRONG. DISTRICT 1402 CAMBRIDGE CROSSING SOUTHLAKE.
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 30 YEARS. APPROXIMATELY. WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING TO DO WITH THE FENCE? OUR PROPOSAL IS JUST LIKE THE VARIANCE CALLED FOR THE BACK FENCE.
THE ONE THAT Y'ALL PUT UP. YES, SIR. AND YOU TORE DOWN MY FENCE, AND YOU PUT CONCRETE ALONG THERE, AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SAY YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IT ANYMORE.
SIR, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. I'M ONLY, I'M WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS THE 17 LOTS THAT SUPPOSEDLY THE 17 LOTS THAT WERE IN THE VARIANCE IS THAT TO REPLACE THE FENCE, THE BACK FENCE ON THOSE 17 LOTS.
IT'D BE THE EAST PROPERTY LINE OF OUR PROPERTY AND THE WEST PROPERTY LINE.
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A COUPLE OF MAY BE ON THE NORTH SIDE ON THE APEX OF THE SCHOOL AND THE DEVELOPMENT.SO YOU REPLACE THE FENCE? NO, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID, MA'AM.
ARE YOU GOING TO REPLACE THE FENCE? YES. AND MAINTAIN IT.
WE'RE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE FENCE.
WE WOULD LIKE FOR US NOT TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AND REPLACE IT ANYMORE INTO PERPETUITY.
IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY, CORRECT? I DON'T THINK SO.
WELL, IT IS. O KAY, ALRIGHT. SO IF IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY, IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, CORRECT? IT SHOULD, YEAH IT COULD BE. OKAY. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT.
YOU HAVEN'T, BUT YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.
SORRY, GUYS. I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT SIX MONTHS, SO I CAN'T ANSWER FOR THAT.
I'M SORRY. GET UP TO SPEED. OKAY, SO I'VE DONE NOTHING.
YOU ABSOLUTELY DID NOTHING. PLEASE, PLEASE USE THE MIC IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK.
COME ON. DO YOU WANT TO STILL SAY SOME MORE? MY NAME IS ANTHONY BOLOGNA.
I RESIDE AT 100 WATERFORD. MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 27 YEARS.
OKAY. NOW LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT THIS ALL BEGAN WITH.
THE SCHOOL WANTED VARIANTS. HEIGHT AND ALSO CLOSER TO OUR NEIGHBOR.
YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. DID WE NOT LET YOU ALLOW THAT? YES, SIR. AN AGREEMENT THAT YOU TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE FENCE? YES. AND NOW YOU WANT TO CLASSICAL CRAWFISH. I MEAN, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
NO, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL PEOPLE, NO. THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
IN 25 YEARS WE HAVE CALLED. TREE BRANCHES HAVE BROKE, FALLEN TO OUR YARD.
THE GRASS IS GROWING. IT LOOKS LIKE. I MEAN, I HAVE SNAKES COME IN FROM OUT OF IT.
THERE IS A [INAUDIBLE] ON THE CORNER THAT'S CRACKED AND FALLEN DOWN.
THE SCHOOL DOES NOT TAKE CARE OF THAT PROPERTY AT ALL WHEN WE MAKE PHONE CALLS.
CRICKETS. CRICKETS. DO YOU KNOW HOW CRICKETS SOUND? THAT'S WHAT WE HEAR. BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DOESN'T DO NOTHING.
YOU HAVE NOT OBLIGATED. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH YOUR ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.
YET, WE'VE GAVE YOU YOUR VARIANCE. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.
WE'LL TAKE IT BACK. WE WANT IT MOVED, PUSHED OUT, AND WE WANT IT LOWER DOWN.
I WANT NO LIGHTS IN THE BACK. END OF STORY. NO, NO.
AND I WILL BE HERE WHEN. WHEN CITY COUNCIL TO SPEAK AT CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS LAUREN LAREDO. I LIVE AT 1409 MAYFAIR PLACE, SO MY HOUSE BACKS UP DIRECTLY TO THE LIKE, RIGHT BETWEEN THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE BASEBALL FIELD.
OKAY, SO I GUESS TWO, TWO PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE WITH THE STATEMENTS THAT YOU MADE.
PERPETUITY DOES NOT EQUATE TO 25 PLUS YEARS. THAT'S NOT WHAT PERPETUITY MEANS.
IT LOOKS LIKE I HAVE A UFO IN THE BACK OF MY HOUSE WHEN ALL OF THE LIGHTS ARE ON.
SO I FEEL LIKE OUR NEIGHBORS, MYSELF HAVE MADE A LOT OF CONCESSIONS.
NOT BECAUSE WE'VE AGREED TO, BUT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN FORCED TO AGREE TO IT.
SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT COMING HERE TONIGHT, ALONG WITH ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS, WERE HEARD.
AND THE TREES, YOU KNOW, SHOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, TAKEN CARE OF.
THEY'RE NOT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE PASSION HERE. AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IN WITHDRAWING YOUR REQUEST FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE PERPETUITY REMARK. THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING. I'M ALSO ON MAYFAIR PLACE. MY NAME IS JENNIFER BLANCHARD.
WE LIVE AT 1404 MAYFAIR PLACE. WHEN THE FENCE ORIGINALLY WAS PUT UP, I BELIEVE IN YEAR 2000,
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WE WERE NOT HERE. BUT IT WAS PART, AS OTHER HOMEOWNERS HAVE MENTIONED, OF AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE WHEN THE NATATORIUM WAS PUT UP.THERE WAS PARKING SPACES THAT WERE ADDED. THERE WAS A TIME WHERE PARKING SPACES, ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THAT WERE NOT APPROVED HERE, ALL OF A SUDDEN WERE BEING PUT IN WITHOUT EVER BEING APPROVED.
THEN THERE WAS THE THING OF THE FENCE THE NEXT TIME.
ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS AT THAT POINT WAS WENT BACK, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AT THAT POINT SAID, WE HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY ABOUT THIS. THEY TOOK THEIR OWN TIME, WENT BACK.
I HAVE THE EXACT DATE, MINUTES OF EVERYTHING THAT THEY FOUND WERE THE SCHOOL INDEED WAS RESPONSIBLE IN PERPETUITY, WHICH IS WHERE THAT CAME, BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A MASSIVE ORDEAL.
I HAVE THE VARIANCE. I'M NOT ARGUING. I UNDERSTAND THAT.
WE HAVE A MASSIVE DEAD TREE BEHIND OUR YARD. LUCKILY IT FALLS IN PIECES.
IF IT DOESN'T, IT IS GOING TO LAND PLACES WE DON'T WANT IT TO LAND.
IT IS JUST A CONSTANT FIGHT. AS CISD ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
WE HAVE TRIED OUR BEST TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND TO MAKE CONCESSIONS.
THERE WERE EXTRA TREES, EXTRA PARKING SPACES PUT IN AT THE AQUATIC CENTER.
WHAT DID WE DO? OKAY, WE GIVE IN. THEY'LL PLANT A FEW TREES, BUT THEY DIE.
SO I AGREE. NO, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM SHOULD CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THIS FENCE IN PERPETUITY AS AGREED UPON IN PRIOR MEETINGS.
I LIVE AT MAYFAIR PLACE AS WELL. JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
WHO ARE YOU REPRESENTING? CARROLL ISD. YES, SIR.
OKAY. AND THE ZONING CHANGE. WHAT DOES THAT EXACTLY MEAN? BECAUSE IS IT JUST ABOUT DEFENSE OR IS IT A ZONING CHANGE? WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT RELINQUISHING THE WE'RE GOING TO REPAIR THE FENCE THAT'S IN THE VARIANCE.
THE ONLY THING WE'VE ASKED FOR IS FOR IT NOT TO BE IN PERPETUITY.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE'VE ASKED FOR. WE'VE NOT CHANGED ANY CLASSIFICATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO MR. IS THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS THE ZONING CHANGE.
IF IT'S THE ZONING CHANGE IS VERY VAGUE. RIGHT? I'M SORRY. ZONING CHANGE IS VAGUE. IT'S A VERY VAGUE WORD.
YES, SIR. I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE WE ARE REQUESTING IS FOR US AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT TO NOT DO SOMETHING IN PERPETUITY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHOEVER'S GOING TO DO THIS JOB NEXT OR NEXT OR NEXT IS, YOU KNOW, IS, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER THE SUPERINTENDENT IS NEXT OR THE BOARD IS NEXT IS, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO GET IT SETTLED WHERE IT'S NOT GOING ON FOR 50 YEARS OR WHATEVER IT IS. SO THERE'S NOTHING WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD A 7-ELEVEN NEXT YEAR IF YOU'RE ASKING ME THAT.
NO, SIR. CAN YOU REMOVE THE LIGHTS? WHAT LIGHTS? LIGHTS? NO, MA'AM. JUST ONE OTHER THING. WHEN THE FENCE WAS REPAIRED AND PUT BACK UP THE LAST TIME, IT WAS ACTUALLY MOVED ON A TO BE DEFINITELY ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.
I DON'T REMEMBER NOW IF IT WAS SIX INCHES FOOT.
THAT'S FINE. BUT THAT LEGALLY DOESN'T SOUND. NO THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S NOT. THAT'S OUR FENCE. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
BUT WE INTEND TO REPLACE THAT THAT THOSE THE LOTS IN THE VARIANCE.
SO. STARTING IN JULY. ARE YOU PROPOSING THEN THAT THE FENCE HAS MOVED BACK.
NO. WE'RE PUTTING EXACTLY WE'RE GOING TO USE THE SAME POLES THAT ARE THERE IF THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'LL ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN HERE.
I'VE BEEN HERE SIX MONTHS, AND I'VE GOT A FEW, I GOT A FEW EMAILS.
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THE ONLY THING I GOT, SIR, IS, IS WHAT I GOT FROM THE CITY.AND THE REASON YOU DID THAT WAS FOR THE INGRESS AND TO TAKE CARE OF THE FENCE.
OKAY. AND THAT WAS THE REPRESENTATION THAT YOU GUYS GAVE US.
AND HERE'S THE OTHER THING. I THINK THE OTHER GENTLEMAN SAID, WHO'S WHO ASKED YOU TO DO THIS? WAS IT ANDREW, CAM, ALEX THE BOARD. WHICH BOARD MEMBERS? BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS. BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO TALK TO THEM AS WELL. OH, I DON'T KNOW WHO SENT ME UP.
LANNY, COME ON, YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THAT.
HOLD ON. HOLD ON. WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU HAD SOMEBODY TELL YOU TO DO THIS.
WAS IT CAM, ALEX OR ANDREW? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHO IT WAS.
THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS INSTRUCTED YOU TO DO THIS AND ASKED FOR THE VARIANCE.
SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, YOU GUYS WANT TO COME IN ON JUNE OR JULY AND FIX THE FENCE.
ARE WE GOING TO FIX IT OR REBUILD IT? I'M GOING TO REBUILD IT.
I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO USE THE POLES, THE POLES THAT ARE THERE.
TO, WE'RE GOING TO BACK IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT AND ASK US TO MAINTAIN IT.
WE WILL PUT TWO BY TWOS, TWO BY THREES ON IT, AND WE WILL REFACE IT THE GOOD SIDE TO YOU GUYS.
RIGHT. HOW MUCH IS THIS ESTIMATED TO COST? THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? ABOUT 40,000. $40,000 FOR 17 LOTS. YES, SIR. HOW FAR? JUST LENGTHWISE. AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE THAT VERY WELL.
I DIDN'T SEE YOUR BULLET POINTS. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, IT'S ABOUT 1100 FEET.
OKAY, I'M GOING OFF MEMORY ON THAT.
BUT I THINK I REMEMBER RIGHT, IT'S ABOUT 1100 FEET AND IT'S JUST UNDER 40,000.
I GOT, I GOT ONE THAT WAS 150. SO LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION, LANNY.
SINCE YOU'VE DONE THE HISTORY FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS, HOW MUCH HAVE YOU SPENT ON MAINTENANCE ON THE FENCE SINCE IT'S BEEN INSTALLED? AND NONE, NONE IN THE SIX MONTHS I'VE BEEN HERE.
OKAY, SO YOU HAVEN'T SPENT ANY MONEY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS BECAUSE YOU JUST GOT HERE. BUT WHAT IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SPENT ON THE FENCE? WELL, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS.
I CAN SPEAK FOR THE LAST. SO HOW CAN WE HAVE AN INFORMED MEETING IF YOU HONESTLY DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS? WELL, I UNDERSTAND, AS I'M TELLING YOU, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS MOVING FORWARD AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IS WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO I'M GOING TO REPLACE THAT BACK FENCE. AND THOSE 17 LOTS WILL HAVE A NEW BACK FENCE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS.
WHAT MY PURPOSE HERE IS TO SAY THAT BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TAX MONEY IS, IS.
I KNOW. I LIVE THREE MILES DOWN THE ROAD. I'VE BEEN HERE 17 YEARS.
AND THE THING IS, IT'S NOT FAIR TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
AND THEY THREW YOU OUT HERE TO ALL OF THESE PEOPLE THAT TOOK THE TIME TO COME OUT TONIGHT.
AND YOU REALLY HAVEN'T PROVIDED ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION HERE AND HOW WE GO.
OH, WELL, I'VE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE BACK FENCE.
ELEVEN THOUSAND IN 17 HOMES AND FORTY THOUSAND.
I UNDERSTAND. BUT YOU KNOW, NONE OF US CAN GO.
20, 25 YEARS, THEY SAID ALL THE PROMISES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MADE.
AGAIN, YOU CAN IMAGINE LISA CAMPANELLI, THE BOARD PRESIDENT, WOULD BE HERE, BUT SHE'S OUT OF TOWN.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER ISSUE. WE WENT BACK TO CAM SIX MONTHS AGO AND WE SAID, CAM, WHEN YOU GUYS INSTALLED THE LIGHTS, WHICH I THINK ANOTHER LADY SAID, CAN YOU TAKE THOSE DOWN? YOU PROMISED US THAT THEY WOULD NEVER HAVE THEM ON PAST 9:00.
WE KNOW THAT'S FOR THE BASEBALL FIELD. BASEBALL GAMES AND SOFTBALL.
IS IT BASEBALL? WAS THEY WERE GOING TO MOVE IT UP EARLIER. I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE THE TIMES A LITTLE BIT LATER SO THAT THE FOLKS COULD COME OUT, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT TO THE GAMES. BUT AT 9:00, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SHUT IT OFF.
WELL, WE ALL KNOW THAT HASN'T HAPPENED, AND WE CAN OBVIOUSLY TELL YOU THAT.
AND THEN THE TREES. I'M JUST SAYING, TAKE THIS BACK TO ANDREW, CAM AND ALEX FOR ME, THE TREES YOU HAVEN'T LANDSCAPED BACK THERE DONE ANYTHING. THOSE HAVE FALLEN ON OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE WE WANT SOUTHLAKE TO LOOK BEAUTIFUL.
AND I KNOW THAT CITY OF SOUTHLAKE HAS DONE A LOT OF GREAT THINGS, AND THEY LIKE THAT GREEN AREA.
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AND ALL OUR RESIDENTS ARE ASKING US, MAKE THAT LOOK NICE TOO.IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN TAKE BACK TO THEM AND TALK ABOUT? NO, I CAN DO THAT.
AND THAT'S YOU KNOW WHAT? AND THE GROUNDS PEOPLE DO WORK FOR ME.
BACK TO THE FENCE LINE. DO YOU GUYS HAVE SOME TREES BACK THERE THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED OR TAKEN DOWN? I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE JUST FOR TONIGHT. JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'VE ALLOCATED $30,000 FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS TO LANDSCAPE AND BEAUTIFY STONE LAKES. SO WE'RE DOING OUR JOB TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY LOOK GOOD.
I KNOW SOUTHRIDGE IS DOING THE JOB. TIMBERLAKE'S DOING THE JOB.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DO IT AS WELL.
THANK YOU. HI I'M STEPHANIE. OH! WE HAVE EMAILED SEVERAL TIMES, MANY TIMES, AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU EMAILING ME BACK AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE RUNAROUND I GOT FROM YOUR PREDECESSOR.
I'VE BEEN TO YOUR FENCE MANY TIMES, HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE, AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THIS ON.
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE FENCE, IT'S GOING TO BE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE? EIGHT FOOT CEDAR FENCE. YES, SIR. JUST LIKE IN THE VARIANCE, MA'AM.
AND THEN I THINK YOU SAID YOU WERE MAYBE GOING TO KEEP SOME OF THE POSTS.
WELL, I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYONE'S, BUT OURS ARE ROTTED.
WHERE IT'S NOT YOURS SO MUCH. YOURS HAS TO HAVE NEW ONES.
AND I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHO'S WHAT. I'VE WALKED THE FENCE LINE 4 OR 5 TIMES, BUT YES, MA'AM, WHERE YOURS IS HAVE TO BE REPLACED. OKAY. SO BUT MY OTHER QUESTION IS AND THIS IS JUST MORE JUST LOOKING BEHIND MY HOUSE, LIKE AT OUR NEIGHBORS AND WHAT I MEAN, LIKE WE'VE COMMENTED SEVERAL TIMES BECAUSE BACK BEHIND OUR HOUSE, A LOT OF LIKE CROSS COUNTRY RUNNERS KIND OF CONGREGATE AND WHATEVER.
AND THERE ARE WIDOW MAKERS UP THERE AND WE DON'T WANT.
IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY, SO IT WOULDN'T BE ON US.
AND SO. YES, MA'AM. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES FOR THE LIGHTS FURTHER DOWN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK, LIKE I SAID, IT WASN'T YOU, BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AGREED TO IN PERPETUITY, AND WORDS MATTER. AND SO SOMETHING'S GOT TO BE GIVEN TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT'S SATISFACTORY.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING. OKAY. I'M VONDA WHITTAKER AT 110 WATERFORD DRIVE. I ACTUALLY WROTE YOU ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO.
I SENT AN EMAIL, AND I NEVER HEARD A RESPONSE.
BUT WE HAVE A GATE THAT WE PUT IN THE BACK FENCE.
WHEN OUR SON WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL AT CARROLL MANY YEARS AGO.
WE'VE BEEN IN THIS HOUSE 33 YEARS NOW. AND OUR GATE WAS SO BAD BECAUSE THE POLES WERE NOT STABLE AND IT WOULDN'T LATCH. WE COULDN'T CLOSE IT.
SO MY HUSBAND AND I TRIED TO ROPE IT AT THE TOP BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY A CONCERN FOR US TO HAVE SOMEONE HAVE ACCESS TO OUR BACKYARD. AND SO WE HAD ANOTHER ISSUE WITH A SIDE PANEL AT STEPHANIE'S FENCE.
AND AT THAT TIME, THEY ACTUALLY SHORED UP SOME OF THE POLES THAT WERE CAUSING THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THE GATE COULDN'T CLOSE WHEN THE FENCE WAS LEANING AND IT JUST COULDN'T MAKE IT.
SO WE WENT AHEAD AND SPENT ABOUT $500 OF OUR OWN MONEY BECAUSE I NEVER HEARD ANYTHING.
IT WAS A SOLUTION THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE DONE QUICKLY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING, YOU KNOW, STEPHANIE MAY HAVE GOTTEN RESPONSES, BUT I DIDN'T. AND NOT KNOWING WHAT YOU WERE PLANNING TO DO OF REPLACING THIS FENCE IN THE SUMMER,
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WE WENT AHEAD AND PAID FOR IT OURSELVES. I APOLOGIZE AND I DON'T.I'VE GOTTEN EMAILS FROM MISS THATCHER AND ANOTHER LADY THAT I RESPONDED TO AND EXPLAIN IT.
I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ANOTHER EMAIL FROM YOURSELF OR SOMEBODY, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED AND I MIGHT HAVE OVERLOOKED IT, BUT IT'S NOT. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SO GOING BACK FORWARD WHEN WE PUT THIS BACK FENCE BACK, YOU WANT YOUR GATE OR YOU WANT TO YOU WANT IT SOLID? NO. I THINK WE MIGHT LIKE THE GATE. IT MIGHT BE WHEN WE SELL OUR HOME SOMETHING THAT'S A POSITIVE.
BECAUSE I THINK WHO BUYS OUR HOME WILL LIKE TO GO TO CARROLL.
OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS. AT THE TIME, I ALSO MENTIONED THIS MASSIVE DEAD TREE.
AND LAST YEAR, A GREAT PORTION OF IT DIED. NOW ANOTHER BIG LIMB IS STUCK UP THERE IN THE TREE.
AND THAT REALLY DECREASES OUR PROPERTY VALUES.
SO I'LL GET IT TAKEN CARE OF. WE WOULD LIKE THAT DONE.
I'LL GET IT TAKEN CARE OF. OKAY. THANKS. GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS JANE SOWELL AND I LIVE IN 1404 CAMBRIDGE CROSSING.
WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT PORTION OF THE FENCE THAT BACKED INTO THE HIGH SCHOOL WAS BUILT BY THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND THAT THE HIGH SCHOOL WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT IN PERPETUITY.
I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS THAT THAT IS THE EXPECTATION THAT THE HIGH SCHOOL WILL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT FENCE IN PERPETUITY. JUST ONE THING TO YOU KNOW, THAT I WANT TO GET OFF MY MIND. IT'S TRUST. YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY REALLY WARM AND FUZZY FEELINGS ABOUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AS FAR AS MAINTAINING THAT PROPERTY FROM DAY ONE.
I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING, ANYTHING TO THAT BACKSPACE.
TRIMMING, REPLACING TREES, AGAIN, IF JUST GO BY AND LOOK AT IT.
YOU SAID YOU WALKED IT. DID YOU NOT SEE ALL THE DEAD TREES THAT WERE ON THE PROPERTY? DID YOU NOT SEE THAT? I MEAN, DID YOU NOT SEND ANYBODY TO TRIM ANY OF THE TREES? MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S PICKED UP. GARBAGE PICKED UP FROM THE KIDS THAT DO RUN, YOU KNOW, JOG IN THE BACK THAT LEAVE WATER BOTTLES, DRINKS, ALL IN THAT BACK.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST DISGUSTING. THAT WHOLE BACK SPACE AND I PAY, WE ALL PAY TAXES.
NO, I IT JUST AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A NICE WARM, FUZZY FEELING ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING.
I'M JENNIFER PRINCE. I'M AT 1404 RICHMOND COURT.
MY QUESTION IS, AND I GUESS I HAVEN'T WALKED BACK THERE IN A WHILE, WHY IS PARK PLACE NOT INVOLVED IN THIS? DO THEY NOT HAVE THE SAME FENCE? IT WAS ELIMINATED AT SOME TIME DURING SOME KIND OF NEGOTIATIONS.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHY, WHY IT'S NOT. I MEAN, I DO KNOW IT'S ELIMINATED.
I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE PICKING ON US. WHY? MA'AM, I MEAN, THEY HAVE THE SAME FENCE.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU THAT. I HAVE NO IDEA. OKAY.
HEY PAUL SHUGA, 1408 WEDGEWOOD COURT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
NOT THAT WE WANT TO DRAG THEM IN AND ALSO BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE FAIRNESS, RIGHT.
AND SO WHAT'S THE LOGIC AND IF WE DON'T NEED TO DO PERPETUITY HERE.
SO IF YOU COULD HAVE SOMEONE GET BACK TO US ON THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT BY THE WAY.
DOES THE COUNCIL SEE THESE OR AM I JUST TALKING TO? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, OKAY. TO YOUR POINT, SORRY.
THIS IS FOR THOSE. AND AGAIN, I KNOW YOU'VE ONLY BEEN HERE SIX MONTHS, BUT WE OUR FRUSTRATION.
IT'S ABOUT THE FENCE. BUT WE, I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE 14 YEARS, BUT 23 ETC.
AND I THINK I CAN ASK EACH ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE AND ALSO THE FOLKS ON THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS, TWO YEARS, YOU ALL FLOW IN AND OUT.
WE'RE HERE THE WHOLE TIME. AND SO IT IS IT'S A RECURRING THEME AND A LACK OF TRUST.
SO I WOULD ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE HISTORY.
SO THE NATATORIUM STARTED IT RIGHT. AND AGAIN, I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THE LIGHTS BECAUSE WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE, THEY SAID THERE WEREN'T ANY LIGHTS. AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS IS BEING ABLE TO TRUST.
AND THE PATTERN IS AND IT'S FRUSTRATING IS A BOARD MAKES THE ONE OF THE BOARDS MAKES A DECISION.
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AND THEN 2 OR 3 BOARDS LATER THAT BOARD SAYS, WELL, THAT WASN'T US, TIMES HAVE CHANGED.AS AN ENTITY, THE BOARD HAS TO BE TRUSTWORTHY.
AND WHEN YOU SAY PERPETUITY. PERPETUITY IS PERPETUITY.
PERPETUITY ISN'T. IT'S BEEN 25, 30 YEARS. THIS IS ABOUT MAKING A COMMITMENT AND ASKING YOURSELF, WHY DID YOU WHY DID THE BOARD NOT YOU? WHY DID THE BOARD DO THIS? THEY DID IT AS PART OF SOMETHING THEY GOT AS A BENEFIT.
THE NATATORIUM IS A NATATORIUM THERE? YES IT IS.
SO PERPETUITY SHOULD STAY. GUESS WHAT? JUST TO BRING UP.
AND I HOPE THE BOARD GOES BACK. AND BY THE WAY, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME TO ANY OF OUR HOUSES DURING A BASEBALL GAME LIKE THIS THURSDAY AND SEE THE LIGHTS. FEEL FREE TO COME OVER, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR.
AND IF YOU ASK ABOUT IT, I MEAN, WE DID SOME RESEARCH LAST TIME.
SO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A FINANCIAL HIT LIKE WE ARE MAKING SACRIFICES.
SO WE'RE ASKING THE BOARD TO JUST, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO.
AND YOU TALK ABOUT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. WELL, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT, IF OUR TREES WERE DEAD LIKE THAT, THE HOA HOA WOULD BE ALL OVER US. SO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE HISTORY AND REALIZE THAT THE COMMITMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
AND ENOUGH OF THIS. WELL, I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE SIX MONTHS OR IT'S A DIFFERENT BOARD.
THE BOARD AS AN ENTITY SHOULD HAVE A COMMITMENT AND REALIZE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR.
THE NATATORIUM IS THERE. THIS WAS PART OF THAT DEAL.
THAT'S STILL GOOD. AND BY THE WAY, AS PART OF THE NATATORIUM, THEY SAID, WE WON'T PUT UP LIGHTS.
GUESS WHAT HAPPENS. NEW BOARD. OH, THAT WASN'T US.
SO THAT'S PART OF OUR FRUSTRATION, IS Y'ALL COME AND GO.
WE'RE HERE THE WHOLE TIME. AND SO WE SEE THESE CHANGES.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT SAY, OH WELL, IT'S JUST A FENCE. IT'S ONE THING. WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT UP ONE MORE TIME. THIS IS ABOUT TRUST. IT'S ABOUT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. AND IT'S ABOUT THAT COMMITMENT AS AN ENTITY, AS A BOARD AND NOT JUST SAYING, WELL, WE'RE IT'S A DIFFERENT BOARD.
IT'S NOT US. WE NEED THE BOARD TO ACTUALLY STEP UP AND ACTUALLY HONOR THEIR COMMITMENTS.
EXCUSE ME EDITOR ARMSTRONG, 1402 CAMBRIDGE. THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE FENCE, SUPPOSEDLY.
YES, SIR. THEY'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN IT. YEAH.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN, YES? THE ANSWER IS YES. MAINTAINING MEANS WHAT? WELL, WE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. I MEAN, BUT ARE WE GOING TO STAY? ARE WE GOING TO STAIN IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR SEAL IT? NO, WE WILL PUT IT UP AND THEN WILL WE KEEP IT FROM FALLING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH. SO WHY ARE YOU REPLACING THE ONE THAT YOU GOT UP THERE NOW? I'M SORRY.
WHY ARE YOU REPLACING THE ONE THAT'S UP THERE NOW? WHY AM I REPLACING THEM? YEAH.
WELL, IT'S I'VE BEEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION FROM MISS THATCHER AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT THAT PER THE VARIANCE, THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE. I TOOK IT TO MY BOSS.
WHAT VARIANCE? 480-338. WHAT IS THE VARIANCE? WHAT DOES IT SAY? I DON'T DO NUMBERS.
I MEAN, THERE'S QUITE A FEW PAGES LONG, BUT OVERALL IT SAYS THAT THE REQUIREMENT WAS REVISED WITH, LET'S SAY 18TH, JUNE 6TH, THE LAST ONE, THE IT SAYS THE REQUIREMENT WAS REVISED WITH THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 483 38A TO REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO CONSTRUCT AND MAINTAIN AN EIGHT FOOT BOARD ON BOARD FENCE ALONG STONE LAKE SUBDIVISION TO THE EAST AND SOUTH, SPECIFICALLY ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINES OF LOTS ONE THROUGH SIX, BLOCK SEVEN, AND THE NORTHERN AND THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINES OF LOTS NINE AND TEN BLOCK SEVEN STONE LAKES ADDITION.
AN ORDINANCE NUMBER 483338 C, TO REQUIRE INSTALLATION OF A NEW FENCE ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY ADJACENT TO THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINES OF LOT 10 AND 11, 20, 21, 22, 27, 28, 29, R 3435 BLOCK SEVEN STONE LAKES ADDITION TO BE EIGHT FOOT X EIGHT FOOT CEDAR ON THE FRIENDLY SIDE, FACING THE NEIGHBORS, TO BE MAINTAINED IN PERPETUITY IN ORDINANCE 4 83-38D TO REMOVE THE DISTRICT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO CONSTRUCT AND MAINTAIN THE FENCE ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY ADJACENT TO THE PARK PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONLY THAT WAS IN THAT WAS IN JUNE 6TH, 2000. SO THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE PUTTING A BOARD ON BOARD FENCE. IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT SAID. BOARD ON BOARD. THAT'S NOT WHAT'S UP THERE NOW. DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TEAR WHAT'S DOWN THERE UP THERE NOW DOWN. BOARD ON BOARD. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WOOD RUNNERS WITH CEDAR FACING ON IT.
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YOU HAVE STEEL POLES, YOU HAVE STEEL HARDWARE, YOU HAVE WOOD RUNNERS.AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT BOARD. BOARD ON BOARD IS LIKE THIS.
NOT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. CORRECT. WE CAN OVERLAP IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS NOW. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT BOARD ON BOARD FOR THE ENTIRE SECTION, AND YOU ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE VARIANCE? YES, SIR. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN IT.
WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN IT. YES. YOU PUT UP A WOODEN FENCE.
YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT MEANS STAINING IT. OTHERWISE, IT'S GOING TO ROT OUT FROM UNDERNEATH YOU.
YOU HAVE YOU PUT UP A WOOD FENCE BEFORE. YEAH.
WAY TOO MANY TIMES, SIR. OKAY. DO YOU MAINTAIN IT.
YOU PUT I DO MINE. YEAH. YOU STAIN IT? YES. THE LAST THREE I'VE STAINED AND I'VE SEALED TWO.
AND SO IT'S, IT MAINTAINS IT, STAYS UP AND STAYS VIABLE.
RIGHT. I'M SORRY. IT STAYS UP AND STAYS VIABLE.
YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T STAIN IT AND YOU DON'T MAINTAIN IT, IT FALLS APART.
IT'S WOOD. YOU GUYS ARE NOT DOING WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHTY. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THIS SPIN MEETING.
REMEMBER, SPIN REPRESENTS THE FIRST STEPS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
A SPIN MEETING REPORT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE AFTER THE MEETING TAKES PLACE.
WE WILL INCLUDE THE SUBMITTED SPIN QUESTION AND OR COMMENT FORMS IN THE MEETING REPORTS.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.